All Things Superman: An Open Discussion

[Webhead2006]

you are probably right jaime about jon peters. How is he liked in the hollywood scene presently?

[X-Maniac]

It's beyond the "hype game" at this point with Millar. The dude's a jackass who just wants attention. As I've labeled him in the past, he's the Comic Book Writer Who Cried Wolf.

P.S. Steve Younis (http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=6960#comments) and Showtime (http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/9/21/mark-millar-tells-true-lies.html) actually did his homework and pointed out how full of crap his latest claims are. You should try doing that sometime.

Oh I'm well aware of what he said in the past, though it was never clear if he made a formal pitch or just had an informal chat. I don't need to do any homework, I know what he said and have it all noted down somewhere.

But, like I said, Hollywood is full of this stuff. We had that Indian actress Priyanka Chopra saying she was in the next Superman, we had Beyonce saying she'd had meetings over playing Wonder Woman, we had Tull himself promising an 'angry god' in Man of Steel, we had Singer promising to go all 'wrath of khan' and deliver a high body count. Then, as well as stars/directors (and their agents) spreading it on thick, we have websites making things up as well.

Miller's mistake is being caught out by inconsistencies. Like the 'American' director who turned out to be Matthew Vaughn.

Some site report all this stuff and pick it apart, some just report it straight. If a site doesn't begin editorialising and pulling it apart, it doesn't mean they believe it all.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Yeah who wants to call out a liar like Millar for calling other people liars? Especially when you've got it all "noted down somewhere." Perish the thought one would want to do something like that.

[X-Maniac]

Yeah who wants to call out a liar like Millar for calling other people liars? Especially when you've got it all "noted down somewhere." Perish the thought one would want to do something like that.

Yes, it's noted down in all the previous articles I've done, so there is a record of it in my archives.

A site attached to a newspaper group (or any other professional organisation) has to be much more careful with making accusations and carrying out 'character assassinations.'

[FilmNerdJamie]

Yeah, I forgot it was considered a "character assassination" to call someone out on their "inconsistencies" and well-documented reputation for lying their asses off. I mean it's all "noted down," right? Give me a break.

[X-Maniac]

Yeah, I forgot it was considered a "character assassination" to call someone out on their "inconsistencies" and well-documented reputation for lying their asses off. I mean it's all "noted down," right? Give me a break.

I think YOU should give ME a break. Not everyone has your paranoia and 'angry with the whole world' attitude.

What you and other sites choose to do is up to you. You can probably get away with a lot more, good for you.

I could spend all day every day calling people out on lies and inconsistencies online. Sometimes, I just report it straight and let a person's quotes speak for themselves.

Not really sure why your anger at Millar is being directed at me, are you just looking for some kind of target?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Not a big fans of hacks who just mindlessly regurgitate other people's garbage without having the balls to question it is all. Maybe that's just me though.

[Michael Corleone]

Not a big fans of hacks who just mindlessly regurgitate other people's garbage without having the balls to question it is all. Maybe that's just me though.

Not just you.

[X-Maniac]

Not a big fans of hacks who just mindlessly regurgitate other people's garbage without having the balls to question it is all. Maybe that's just me though.

Well, you could always contact Millar himself via his site. Rather than frothing and flaiiing on the sidelines, why not ask him about the 'pitch' thing outright? (It's not clear to me if he did 'pitch' in any official sense or simply had a telephone chat)

I chose to let what he said stand on its own merits, as did many other sites. I'm sure people out there can make their own minds up by now.

Not going into rant mode on something doesn't mean a person believes it all or is in league with the person saying it. A site could have all sorts of reasons: Maybe there wasn't enough time to investigate? Maybe the person's agent didn't return calls or ignored emails (that has happened to me several times), maybe they didn't want to take the risk of adding comment, maybe they just wanted to let it stand on its own merits.

Sites attached to newspapers or other professional organisations are at greater risk of legal action (because they have the cash to pay up) than non-professional blog/news sites out there.

[Michael Corleone]

Sites attached to newspapers or other professional organisations are at greater risk of legal action (because they have the cash to pay up) than non-professional blog/news sites out there.

Not true. There is no legal distinction currently and once you've posted something online, you're essentially a publisher. Being connected to a print newspaper has nothing to do with it. Being in print is not the requisite for being established as a professional news site. If you're going to make a distinction between "professional" blogs to "non-professional" then it currently comes down to if you are paid or making money off the site and that has nothing to do with journalistic integrity.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Well, you could always contact Millar himself via his site. Rather than frothing and flaiiing on the sidelines, why not ask him about the 'pitch' thing outright? (It's not clear to me if he did 'pitch' in any official sense or simply had a telephone chat)

Ask someone whose known for lying all the time about stuff if they're in fact still lying? Good thinking. Or I can continue to do what I have and just contact my source(s) who flat out told me from the start that Millar is full of ****.

I'll stick with the latter, thank you. :whatever: And there isn't anything "not clear" about this. Millar frequently said he pitched Superman movie ideas to the studio. Remember when he claimed they loved his ideas, but couldn't hire him because he "was a Marvel guy?"

[X-Maniac]

Not true. There is no legal distinction currently and once you've posted something online, you're essentially a publisher. Being connected to a print newspaper has nothing to do with it. Being in print is not the requisite for being established as a professional news site. If you're going to make a distinction between "professional" blogs to "non-professional" then it currently comes down to if you are paid or making money off the site and that has nothing to do with journalistic integrity.

You missed the part I put in parenthesis. Professional sites that are part of large news organisations are more likely to be sued because they have the cash to pay up. Some kid in a bedroom with his own blog won't have the cash to pay up. Professional sites attached to larger media/industry organisations are also more likely to be noticed and also more likely to be expected to adhere to certain standards (by the owning organisation and by external organisations). Professional sites/blogs and non-pro ones are completely different. The standards and status are entirely different.

But this is all p***ing in the wind anyway. Warner Bros ain't making a Superman movie, whether with Millar or not, whether he pitched or not.

[Fresh Prince]

Anybody still wanna see Millar's Superman movies? He had some good ideas.

[Webhead2006]

its always an interesting idea to see how different takes would have been if they did happen.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Millar can take his ideas and shove em up his ass.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Millar can take his ideas and shove em up his ass.

Marry me.

[RachelDawes]

Anybody still wanna see Millar's Superman movies? He had some good ideas.

Was Millar's idea that he wanted Superman to die all alone and powerless on Earth at the end of his trilogy? In that case...

Millar can take his ideas and shove em up his ass.

I agree with this.

[Webhead2006]

wasnt sure where to post this:
http://blog.newsarama.com/author/jtrexler/

Superman mediation & calendar update (http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/09/24/superman-mediation-calendar-update/)

September 24th, 2009
Author Jeff Trexler (http://blog.newsarama.com/author/jtrexler/)

Speaking of the Siegel litigation and Judge Larson’s decision to resign his judgeship, more details are out on the Superman case calendar (http://uncivilsociety.org/2009_092109_mediationcalendar.pdf) between now and November 2nd.

The judge has offered to help mediate the case. The Siegels have agreed to go forward with that; the lawyers for DC, Time Warner & Warner Bros. are consulting with their clients.
Certain issues will be reviewed in connect with motions for reconsideration, with that hearing date scheduled for October 19.
The parties could not agree on a special master (http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/07/09/judge-calls-for-special-master-in-superman-case/), so the judge is providing a list of approved individuals, along with a description of the special master’s duties and responsibilities should one be appointed.


The Never Ending Battle (Update) (http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/09/20/the-never-ending-battle-update/)

September 20th, 2009
Author Jeff Trexler (http://blog.newsarama.com/author/jtrexler/)

While the Kirby estate’s copyright termination filing is justifiably making headlines, the Superman case has some news of its own.
First, the parties have reported the results of their latest court-ordered mediation (http://uncivilsociety.org/mediation_report_09182009.pdf). In short, the case goes on:
In response to the Court’s Order of August 20,2009, the parties scheduled and conducted a day-long mediation in front of Hon. Daniel Weinstein (Ret.) on September 11,2009, which was the only date Judge Weinstein had available for in-person mediation within the Court-ordered period. The parties exchanged written settlement proposals prior to that mediation, and continued their settlement discussions in the week following the mediation, but were unable to settle these cases.
The fact that the case is continuing makes the next bit of legal news truly significant. The Hon. Stephen Larson, the judge in the Superman case, shocked the legal world by announcing his resignation, effective as of November 2, 2009 (http://www.postchronicle.com/news/breakingnews/article_212256887.shtml). His stated reason: the judicial salary of $169,300 a year is not enough to support his seven children.
Larson had been pushing the case toward a settlement, and key issues remain unresolved. What Larson’s departure means for the case remains to be seen, but it could have a decided impact.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Marry me.:heart:

[Nightwing1977]

Marry me.

:heart:



:waa: :waa: :waa: :waa:

[GreenKToo]

wasnt sure where to post this:
http://blog.newsarama.com/author/jtrexler/
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The jist of it? Purgatory. :argh:

[MAN O STEEL]

Be gentle with me

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Steve

[GreenKToo]

who??

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Looks like Ashton.

[Dark Knight]

Millar can take his ideas and shove em up his ass.




LMAO! :hehe:

[Fresh Prince]

Oh I'm well aware of what he said in the past, though it was never clear if he made a formal pitch or just had an informal chat. I don't need to do any homework, I know what he said and have it all noted down somewhere.

But, like I said, Hollywood is full of this stuff. We had that Indian actress Priyanka Chopra saying she was in the next Superman, we had Beyonce saying she'd had meetings over playing Wonder Woman, we had Tull himself promising an 'angry god' in Man of Steel, we had Singer promising to go all 'wrath of khan' and deliver a high body count. Then, as well as stars/directors (and their agents) spreading it on thick, we have websites making things up as well.

Miller's mistake is being caught out by inconsistencies. Like the 'American' director who turned out to be Matthew Vaughn.

Some site report all this stuff and pick it apart, some just report it straight. If a site doesn't begin editorialising and pulling it apart, it doesn't mean they believe it all.

Superman being an angry GOD is from his original character traits.

[SuperMike335!!]

Superman being an angry GOD is from his original character traits.

I was not familiar with that.

I always was under the impression that in the comics he was NOT a god, because as powerful as Superman is, he is not omnipresent, or omniscient.

Even though he can see through most solid objects, he is not all seeing, and as fast as he is, cannot be everywhere at once.

His power is also limited to saving lives, not souls.

Therefor, not a god.

[DACrowe]

so any good news? I'm haing doubts of them even continuing to make superman movies now.

[Webhead2006]

well we know right now they dont want to do anything to all the darn legal settle is over/settled. So they know how much the families are owed on the rights to the character and how financially workable things would be. It totally sucks we the fans are the ones left out in the cold waiting. Which if things cant get settled in the next yr or so will probably be another long haul wait. :(

[I SEE SPIDEY]

:waa: :waa: :waa: :waa::dry:

[The Guard]

I was not familiar with that.

I always was under the impression that in the comics he was NOT a god, because as powerful as Superman is, he is not omnipresent, or omniscient.

Even though he can see through most solid objects, he is not all seeing, and as fast as he is, cannot be everywhere at once.

His power is also limited to saving lives, not souls.

Therefor, not a god.

Not that this changes the definition of "god", but I think Fresh Prince is talking about BEFORE he was the Superman we know. When they concieved him as a villain of sorts.

[DavidTyler]

Not that this changes the definition of "god", but I think Fresh Prince is talking about BEFORE he was the Superman we know. When they concieved him as a villain of sorts.

I think he might be referring to the early days where Superman would take a wife beater and hang him out a window.

Back when Supes was more anger wish-fullfilment than boy-scout.

If that's what he means, I'm inclined to agree. The naive 'Boy-Scout' angle has to go away.

I know I'm repeating myself but Clark has seen too much of the world to not understand the real human condition.

[SuperMike335!!]

I think he might be referring to the early days where Superman would take a wife beater and hang him out a window.

Back when Supes was more anger wish-fullfilment than boy-scout.

If that's what he means, I'm inclined to agree. The naive 'Boy-Scout' angle has to go away.

I know I'm repeating myself but Clark has seen too much of the world to not understand the real human condition.


What are your thoughts of how he behaved on STAS? Still too boyscout, or about right what it should be?

I figured there, while he was not anger wish fulfillment (and shouldn't be); he was not so naive about the human condition.

I didn’t get the corny impression from him there anyway.

[DavidTyler]

What are your thoughts of how he behaved on STAS? Still too boyscout, or about right what it should be?

I figured there, while he was not anger wish fulfillment (and shouldn't be); he was not so naive about the human condition.

I didn’t get the corny impression from him there anyway.


I think STAS did well in capturing the character. I liked the way he was handled in JLU even better. The scenes where he battled Darksied were among the best examples of what I'm talking about. His anger almost driving him past the point of control ... but it's justifiable anger ... and he NEVER DOES lose complete control. That's what I'd like to see.

Honestly, I think the WB should give Timm and Dini a shot at a live action film.

While their Krypton is not my hands down favourite, I like it much much better than Donner's and I like how they handle the supporting cast. Their Jimmy, Clark, Lois, Martha, and Luthor are EXACTLY what I want to see on the big screen.

[Webhead2006]

me too david while also taking traits from other takes on those characters. I would love to see some more supporting guys like graves,turnpin, sawyer, hamilton, and general lane make in it a new series. As for the whole strong/wife beater vs the naive boyscout take i would like to see maybe some compromise and be in the middle. Not to much of a naive guy but not a full on tough guy going to through a common crook out the window.

[El Payaso]

I think he might be referring to the early days where Superman would take a wife beater and hang him out a window.

Back when Supes was more anger wish-fullfilment than boy-scout.

If that's what he means, I'm inclined to agree. The naive 'Boy-Scout' angle has to go away.

I know I'm repeating myself but Clark has seen too much of the world to not understand the real human condition.

I couldn't agree more. I love the first comics' Superman attitude.

[DavidTyler]

Do you want to compare Batman to Green Lantern? TDK was an "unicum" (exactly like Iron Man).

TDK was a huge success because

1) It was a great movie (but even Batman Begins was fantastic and it did less than Superman Returns).

2) It was a sequel of a great movie.

3) It was marketed well.

4) Letcher died

5) it was Batman


I don't think that Green Lantern can repeat the TDK/IM success.

Who is Letcher??? :oldrazz:

Was Hannibal 'Letcher' in 'The Dark Knight'?

Oh, I'm sorry, Letcher's the guy from the Tull song 'Aquaman' .... right?

I'm so confused

Ledger :hehe:

rotfl!!

Who's, Letcher? :P

Lunar_Wolf.... Hope this saves your from having to go back and sift through the thread for your answer.

(besides, I like reading the responses all together)

[Fresh Prince]

People I was talking about Superman tossing criminals for no regards of their life.

Thats how Superman was when he first started out.

[Fresh Prince]

I couldn't agree more. I love the first comics' Superman attitude.

Me too, but alot of people bash Supes first appearance saying he is too much of an angry GOd and all this other crap.

He was bascially still Superman, helping people and caring for innocent citizens, just was abit more agressive against criminals then he is now.

But he still was hardly no Batman. I wish they could bring that Superman back and have that Superman in the big screen. Be for a nice change.

[Webhead2006]

what about finding a nice middle ground. not so naive/boyscout but not tough as nails type.

[Timstuff]

I think Superman Birthright was a good balance. He was a very good hearted and moral person who was slow to anger, but pissing him off was still a very bad idea (exhibit A: the gun shop owner).

[Webhead2006]

ok.

[DavidTyler]

Birthright continued the nerdy Clark.... No thank you to that being used as reference material.

I would rather writers just go back to those early stories and reinterpret them for modern sensibilities.

Oh, and did I mention how awful I thought Waid's convoluted Krypton was?

[Webhead2006]

ya like i and other have said many times. What i would like to see happen next go around is for the director/writers to look at all eras of the superman mythos and stories. Peg down 2-3 stories that would be the basis of the film or a planned triology of films. Then take the best elements of the characters from each eras and put them all together to make this new film superman. Then also throw in stuff like lexcorp-business-genius lex, clark who he is/superman is what he can do. Etc.......

[The Guard]

I don't know that BIRTHRIGHT continued nerdy Clark so much as it just used the element in his "Metropolis" persona, and didn't address it much, if at all. The only instance I remember was where he knocked over the pencils in White's office during his first interview, and when he "quit" and Lois called him spineless.

Convoluted Krypton? In what sense?

[solidsnake86]

That comment that the new dc entertainment president made, her name escapes me at the moment, that they had no plans for superman at the moment was pretty silly. She just killed any hype people had for this film, on this forum at least. When you dont know anything the rumours are interesting and keep the conversation going. The section of the board has really died down, its really too bad.

[dark_b]

true. its getting empty here. like a desert.


its over.

[Webhead2006]

well yea it does suck they officially have no plans for live action superman at this time. Sure all us fans would love for a film to be on the deck right now. It sucks alot that the legal mumbo jumbo is the real stopper on superman on film, among other problems too we like cant decide on direction to go.

[Timstuff]

Why would someone at the studio be dumb enough to come out and say something like that though? Even if it was true, whatever happened to the "no news is good news" philosophy? Wouldn't it be better to say something more cryptic like "Superman is one of our greatest franchises and we look forward to utilizing it in the future. However, we cannot divulge what our future plans are at this time." rather than just saying "Nope, we're not planning on doing anything with Superman right now. Sorry!" be better, since it wouldn't kill off whatever fan buzz the franchise currently had going for it?

[Webhead2006]

you got a point there, she should have been more cryptic or even went off to say due to the current legal issues ..... we cant talk about plans reguarding superman at this present time.

[Rodrigo90]

I think theyve halted plans cause they dont honestly know what will come next with all this court drama,until their 100% confidant and assured.

Our (Super) flight has been delayed,due to heavy crap.

[Webhead2006]

that is probably really the main factor in things. They probably want to know how the legal stuff will end, how much money has to go to the families, and then how that effects budget/profits made from any future films. But with all the back and furth going with siegels and wb with no headway coming. This whole legal stuff is probably going to go for a good few years. Unless who ever comes in as the new judge doesnt want things to keep going and wants things settled to get done with. We have no clue how long of a wait we might be in store for any future films.

[solidsnake86]

They can't really say anything because mediations are scheduled to be held, I think the next important date is October 19th when the next scheduled one is to be held. Plus the judge wants them to come to an agreement, although he has retired, I think I read that he would still be willing to oversee the mediations.

In one way it sucks and I agree with timstuff that she shouldnt have come out and said it. In another way I'm glad, it gives time for them to take a look at the secret origins arc and more space between returns and smallville.

[Webhead2006]

In the end i do hope things can get settled and worked out well between the families and wb/dc. Maybe they can get things settled soon if not who ever comes in as the next judge can get things moving faster.

As for story i hope they look at all eras and like i keep saying take the stuff that best worked in each era. Then mix and match and make an original story.

[GreenKToo]

McTeigue talks a little more about Superman.


Back on the topic of another Superman movie, I asked James if there was any truth to that rumor that he, or the Wachowskis, might be involved in another movie. His answer started out short and sweet: "Maybe some truth to… I've had some discussions, the Wachowskis to a lesser degree, but the superman franchise is in a strange kind of place at the moment," McTeigue revealed. "I think they're still trying to work out the mechanics of how that can come together."

http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/09/30/james-mcteigue-on-the-raven-and-his-ideas-for-superman/

[Timstuff]

I want to see how McTeigue and the Wachowskis would handle Krypton. I'd hope they'd make it look dark and grim, similar to the machine city from Matrix Revolutions. :up:

[Webhead2006]

i would be very curious to see what he/wachowskis would bring to the table. Compared to donner/singer take on the character. Though we all know we are likely a good few years away from another film/film series getting off the ground. With first the whole copyright deal needs to get settled and both parties are still playing hardball right. Then wb's problems of picking one direction and going with said direction. In the end will be nice if all the cards fall down in the right places and we get a film that will please the majority.

[Gabe99]

SUPERMAN


From FirstShowing.net:James McTeigue on The Raven and His Ideas for Superman (http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/09/30/james-mcteigue-on-the-raven-and-his-ideas-for-superman/)
~Alex Billington

"I think I would be interested in doing it if they let me do it the way I wanted to do it. I would say that, if you take the Richard Donner Supermans and the last Superman [from Bryan Singer], I think that Superman is probably ripe for a bit of a change up. I think society has changed around the core idea of what Superman was."

"And I'm not saying you do the ubiquitous dark Superman, I'm not saying that… I'm just saying that I think there are some things that you could excise from the Superman mythology that people would get into it, if you took the world that he was in and changed that a bit, and maybe even project that into the future a bit. I think you don't really have to play into the origin story anymore. I think there's a whole bunch of things you could do to make that film more alive and exciting again."

[Gabe99]

SUPERMAN


From FirstShowing.net: James McTeigue on The Raven and His Ideas for Superman (http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/09/30/james-mcteigue-on-the-raven-and-his-ideas-for-superman/)


"I think I would be interested in doing it if they let me do it the way I wanted to do it. I would say that, if you take the Richard Donner Supermans and the last Superman [from Bryan Singer], I think that Superman is probably ripe for a bit of a change up. I think society has changed around the core idea of what Superman was."

"And I'm not saying you do the ubiquitous dark Superman, I'm not saying that… I'm just saying that I think there are some things that you could excise from the Superman mythology that people would get into it, if you took the world that he was in and changed that a bit, and maybe even project that into the future a bit. I think you don't really have to play into the origin story anymore. I think there's a whole bunch of things you could do to make that film more alive and exciting again."

[SuperAl]

I want to see how McTeigue and the Wachowskis would handle Krypton. I'd hope they'd make it look dark and grim, similar to the machine city from Matrix Revolutions. :up:

Nah Krypton shouldn't look dark and grim. They are an advanced alien race, why would their cities look like crap? If anything it should look very beautiful

[Webhead2006]

I rather take a naboo/coursant look for krypton myself.

[Timstuff]

Nah Krypton shouldn't look dark and grim. They are an advanced alien race, why would their cities look like crap? If anything it should look very beautiful

Because utopia Krypton is just a fantasy. Kryptonians aren't that different from humans, and I certainly don't see humanity moving closer to perfection as our technology advances.

[SuperAl]

Because utopia Krypton is just a fantasy. Kryptonians aren't that different from humans, and I certainly don't see humanity moving closer to perfection as our technology advances.

So ur way of thinking is that when tech progresses our architecture gets worse and we start creating buildings that are ugly and start creating cities that promote a sense of dread and depression instead of a beautiful one? Just because a place is beautiful to look at doesnt mean its utopia and there aren't wars.

the machine city looked the way it looked for a reason, they promoted purpose . They built their city to do what it was suppose to do, rather than what humans do because they don't care if its ugly. We build things with two things in mind, for its usefulness and its architectural beauty

[Timstuff]

Film is a visual medium though, so if Krypton is supposed to be a world on the verge of collapse / destruction it should be conveyed visually. Krypton should be shown as a world where beauty is an afterthought next to technical achievement and utility.

[Webhead2006]

well wouldnt it count on how the world comes to an end.

[SuperAl]

I thought the whole story about Krypton's destruction was the fact that no one really knew it was about to happen besides Clark's biological father.

[Webhead2006]

I rather take it as an technically advance world like those from star wars films and they either just didnt believe the world was going to come to an end and scuffed at the ideas jorel was claiming, brainiac being colu/kryptonian and causing the world to end and only jorel knew his plans, or maybe a war broke out zod did something to planet's core and bam.

[Timstuff]

I thought the whole story about Krypton's destruction was the fact that no one really knew it was about to happen besides Clark's biological father.

I would prefer it if everyone was ignorant of Krypton's impending destruction except for Jor El.

[jak123]

I rather take it as an technically advance world like those from star wars films and they either just didnt believe the world was going to come to an end and scuffed at the ideas jorel was claiming, brainiac being colu/kryptonian and causing the world to end and only jorel knew his plans, or maybe a war broke out zod did something to planet's core and bam.


Yep, I think this is the way to go.

[GreenKToo]

When I think of Krypton, I picture coruscant.
I was gonna suggest looking at the Star Trek universe's earth cities, but I cant think of any they've shown other than fleeting glimpses of san francisco here and there.

[FilmNerdJamie]

McTeigue talks a little more about Superman.


Back on the topic of another Superman movie, I asked James if there was any truth to that rumor that he, or the Wachowskis, might be involved in another movie. His answer started out short and sweet: "Maybe some truth to… I've had some discussions, the Wachowskis to a lesser degree, but the superman franchise is in a strange kind of place at the moment," McTeigue revealed. "I think they're still trying to work out the mechanics of how that can come together."

http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/09/30/james-mcteigue-on-the-raven-and-his-ideas-for-superman/

I think McTeigue was involved in talks at one point, I think he isn't now. Usually if somebody is involved they don't openly talk about what they would or wouldn't do.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17367164&postcount=13045

Showtime - Prophet or just using his brain? You decide!

[GreenKToo]

Heh, yup. Side note here. TF 3 already has a release date announced.
Thats 3 TF films out before we even sniff another Superman film.

[SuperMike335!!]

Film is a visual medium though, so if Krypton is supposed to be a world on the verge of collapse / destruction it should be conveyed visually. Krypton should be shown as a world where beauty is an afterthought next to technical achievement and utility.


That’s a sharp contrast to how I see Krypton.

It was not what the Kryptonians were doing that lead to the Planet exploding. It was just happening, and only Jor-El knew about it, and because they had such a Paradise, no one believed it could be close to destruction, and so they did not heed his warning.

Its your opinion that as things become more advanced they get uglier.
In my opinion, innovation is the key to solving problems like pollution.

Stagnation leads to rotting crumbling cities, bad economies and yes-even pollution, as old wasteful technology is not replaced with more efficient more nature friendly technology.

Somehow Kryptonians found a way to last thousands more years on their world than what humanity has here, and they are more technologically advanced.

Logically their innovations have allowed them to create a beautiful place to live, clean air, green gardens and all that.

None of that saved them, as their planet was going to explode. It may have just been a natural phenomenon that was bound to happen to them sooner or later, regardless of if they were living the 31st century or the 4th century.

For all their achievements, they succumbed to not wanting to believe the truth, which they needed to evacuate their planet, as it was nearing its end. As such, just one family was only able to save one infant by sending him to earth.

[SuperMike335!!]

When I think of Krypton, I picture coruscant.



I see it as a mix of Coruscant and Naboo.

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p117/urbanitect/blog/TheedNaboo.jpg

http://images.ados.fr/photo/hd/4905273490/default/corusant-2-812757bea.jpg

[GreenKToo]

As long as its not a crystal/ ice planet i'm good.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Heh, yup. Side note here. TF 3 already has a release date announced.
Thats 3 TF films out before we even sniff another Superman film.

That's because said franchise doesn't have a shelf-life where they wait 3 or so years to "build up" the next installment. Hell, Revenge of the Fallen had a big drop-off (61%) in its second weekend. But it was so front-loaded ($198 million 5 day opening) that it didn't matter.

I wouldn't anticipate killer numbers for a third Transformers because of the toxic word-of-mouth from this past sequel. Solid, but un-spectacular.

[GreenKToo]

I agree. The 2nd film will hurt the 3rd.
Just like Spidey 3 will prolly hurt 4, at least at first anyway. If its good, wom will take care of it tho.

[FlawlessVictory]

So, 2011 has Spider-Man 4, Thor, Green Lantern, TF3, Captain America and POTC 4! :wow:

I have a bad feeling about GL. If that movie actually gets made, it could seriously get trampled on. Should move it to December 2011.

[FilmNerdJamie]

I'd be more worried about Green Lantern getting made at this point.

[GreenKToo]

Yup. I've never believed it would happen, still don't.

[FlawlessVictory]

I'd be more worried about Green Lantern getting made at this point.

Yup, I've always maintained that I'll believe it when I see it when it comes to GL(meaning when cameras actually roll). But certain posters on the GL boards argue that the lead is cast!, and there is a script and it's further along than JL:M was etc... And I keep thinking to myself, I'll believe it when I see it. Personally, I don't think the movie happens, I don't care who has been cast and what has been done so far, hope I'm wrong though.

[GreenKToo]

Even if it starts filming i'll still doubt it.

[GreenKToo]

Hell, i'll be just as sceptical if they announce a Superman film anytime soon.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Multiple release-date shifts.
Gone through 2 directors.
Now 3 different locations for principal photography. Still TBD.
1 actor cast and that was 3 months ago. No one else has come aboard and said actor (Ryan Reynolds) hasn't uttered a word. Makes matters worse that he's openly talked with us "nerd press" in the past.
Suddenly, Deadpool rumored to be picking up steam from the producers (and to a lesser degree Rob Liefeld).

Either Green Lantern or Deadpool is happening. It won't be both - especially with Reynolds headlining. I don't care what the filmmakers claim, no way will two studios have one actor to juggle two $100 million+ comic-book franchises concurrently.

[GreenKToo]

If they let GL go the way of JL, then they can forget about trying to win the fans over with anymore outlandish ideas. Not that they seem to care about the fans anyway.

[FlawlessVictory]

Multiple release-date shifts.
Gone through 2 directors.
Now 3 different locations for principal photography. Still TBD.
1 actor cast and that was 3 months ago. No one else has come aboard and said actor (Ryan Reynolds) hasn't uttered a word. Makes matters worse that he's openly talked with us "nerd press" in the past.
Suddenly, Deadpool rumored to be picking up steam from the producers (and to a lesser degree Rob Liefeld).

Either Green Lantern or Deadpool is happening. It won't be both - especially with Reynolds headlining. I don't care what the filmmakers claim, no way will two studios have one actor to juggle two $100 million+ comic-book franchises concurrently.

Who was the other director?

I looked at the newest issue of Empire in the shops today - didn't buy it, as I'm waiting for my subscription copy to arrive by post, otherwise I'd be quoting directly. But there's an interview with Martin Campbell, which I believe is the first time I've seen him talk about Green Lantern.

He starts by talking about the concept of Green Lantern, and what he likes about the character. Then he mentions the location issues, saying they've now settled in New Orleans, and expect to begin shooting in April.

We'll see.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Who was the other director?

Greg Berlanti.

[FlawlessVictory]

Oh right, forgot about that.

[GreenKToo]

IMo its pretty important for them to get this out. It will be the first film by them since the big shake up they had. If they cant get it done, lots of confidence will be lost in them.
Folks will be saying its still the same old ugly girl, she's just in a new dress.

[Nightwing1977]

I want to see how McTeigue and the Wachowskis would handle Krypton. I'd hope they'd make it look dark and grim, similar to the machine city from Matrix Revolutions. :up:

I thought many don't want Supes film to be dark? Just the villians. That a horrible idea on wanting Krypton to be dark & grim, when it not suppose to be. No offense.

And keep the W. Brothers away from Superman. They're terrible & we saw it with the Matrix sequels and Speed Racer.

Because utopia Krypton is just a fantasy. Kryptonians aren't that different from humans, and I certainly don't see humanity moving closer to perfection as our technology advances.

But Krypton is not a dark city. It may be a fantasy & sci-fi technology kind of planet, but no way in hell it's dark. And it shouldn't be either. It should have that hope & amazing look of the planet than dark & grim. If you want Krypton to be dark & grim, you should have ask Tim Burton to come back to Superman. ;)

[Webhead2006]

i said this over on gl board it would be terrible if wb lets gl slip through their fingers. They could have a sure fire hit here if things all comes together like ironman was for marvel. But yea i am more in the group that the film will happen, but yea untill cameras are actually rolling we have no clue whats going to happen.

[Timstuff]

But Krypton is not a dark city. It may be a fantasy & sci-fi technology kind of planet, but no way in hell it's dark. And it shouldn't be either. It should have that hope & amazing look of the planet than dark & grim. If you want Krypton to be dark & grim, you should have ask Tim Burton to come back to Superman. ;)

Krypton is on the verge of destruction, so I think that the sense of foreboding would be more pronounced if the planet looked like it had seen brighter days. Largely I am just plain tired of seeing Donner's utopian vision of Krypton rehashed over and over, and a great way to differenciate the new version would be to re-imagine Krypton. The planet is about to blow up, so there's no rule that it should look like a wonderful technological utopia. There should be NO sense of hope when looking at Krypton, because the planet is HOPELESSLY doomed to blow up.

As for my having said I don't want a Superman movie to be dark-- I did not say I didn't want it to deal with dark themes (such as Krypton being a technological dystopia), only that Superman's character shouldn't be dark. SUPERMAN should be the movie's symbol of hope, so I don't see the point of putting a bright face on everything else unless the goal is to make Superman fade into the background.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Memo to the Executives: Superman (http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2009/10/2/memo-to-the-executives-superman-whatever.html)

[Webhead2006]

well i just got through that article of yours. It was an interesting read, and i do like your take on brainiac and how he would try and trick kalel/superman. Though i dont know how i would fill loosing the whole kents raising him, and him having those mid western values in him from his upbringing.

[FilmNerdJamie]

That was written by my Movie Moan partner-in-crime Phil. Thus it's 100% his take - not mine. Thanks nonetheless.

[Webhead2006]

oh sorry there was no author name in the article so i didnt know who did it. Tell him i thought it was pretty good read. But i just dont feel right loosing the whole kents and his upbringing with them, and his full human clark kent self. But it did have some good parts in there about lois, brainiac.

[FilmNerdJamie]

His name is at the bottom of the article.

[Webhead2006]

oh i didnt notice it there my mistake.

[GreenKToo]

I could go for that. Since we're playing with the idea and all, i'd change just one thing..the why.
After several encounters with Superman that have ended in failure for Brainiac, he decides to go back in time and nudge Kal-el's rocket off course.....preventing the very upbringing that shaped the man of steel. He will follow and shape the new course that Kal-el follows.

[solidsnake86]

Good article, I listen to most of your movie moan segments too. I think though that Phil made one mistake that most potential superman writers and directors try to do. Which is put there own stamp on it and change things for the sake of being different. Case in point, him not landing on the kent farm, although its an interesting take, its something that would surely piss off a lot of people and go down the route of the other projects that phil names in the beginning of his article.

Obviously I know its an opinion piece so I'm not trying to rip on it and think these articles on the franchises that you guys have are great, but sometimes a little out there, lol. For superman I really believe its requires a few things to make it work starting with gathering of bunch of sources that people generally enjoy, be it the movies, tv, and comics. Also, the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented in terms of the first movie rather, you need to give the audience exactly what they want and expect which is a good story wrapped up in an origin story (i.e. spiderman, batman begins and iron man. I could go on forever about this and would love to write on article on your website for it as a rebuttle to his ideas.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Basically all the Brainiac ideas in that article have been suggested on the boards at some point. I think the fans have pretty much chosen their main villains at this point. Lex and Brainiac- and a good portion would consider throwing Metallo in the mix as well.

As for having the government discover him first, that could be interesting. I have a spin on it.

I would still include the Kent family because his upbringing helps make him who he is. It could be a government van discovers the ship in Metropolis. They are transporting him as a child, and there is a car wreck. He is the only survivor. Martha and Jonathan are in Metropolis, they see him hooked up to some device/shell and there is a tube going to the belly button that must be pulled off. Maybe the child does not wake until detached from this shell that was inside the ship. They pull him out, the child's eyes open. As they pick him up, they notice the \S/ and take it. They are afraid he is an experiment and the government will do something to him. So they take him back to Smallville with them.

This could be something that Lex Luthor learns, and when Superman finds his way back to Metropolis as an adult he remembers something about the little boy that "vanished"

For a bigger reveal, Lex's family took the spaceship. After Superman encounters Lex for the first time, we see Lex walking to a special room. The doors open, and we see the ship. A light could then come on. First we see kryptonian writing on a screen, then it says "Initializing Language Reconstruction"

Then we hear a voice "Brain Interactive Construct Initiated"

Lex then says "What? Who is this?!"

Then a pause and response "I am Brainiac."

[GreenKToo]

Good article, I listen to most of your movie moan segments too. I think though that Phil made one mistake that most potential superman writers and directors try to do. Which is put there own stamp on it and change things for the sake of being different. Case in point, him not landing on the kent farm, although its an interesting take, its something that would surely piss off a lot of people and go down the route of the other projects that phil names in the beginning of his article.

Obviously I know its an opinion piece so I'm not trying to rip on it and think these articles on the franchises that you guys have are great, but sometimes a little out there, lol. For superman I really believe its requires a few things to make it work starting with gathering of bunch of sources that people generally enjoy, be it the movies, tv, and comics. Also, the wheel doesn't need to be reinvented in terms of the first movie rather, you need to give the audience exactly what they want and expect which is a good story wrapped up in an origin story (i.e. spiderman, batman begins and iron man. I could go on forever about this and would love to write on article on your website for it as a rebuttle to his ideas.
You know what would be pretty neat? After superman defeats Brainiac, he goes back in time by using Brainiac's ship and stops Brainiac from nudging the rocket of course in the first place...hehe, that would give some folks a headache.

[dark_b]

we dont do time travel jokes when it comes to superman. ;)

[Webhead2006]

time travel is a fun thing to use in scfi/fantasy things. But i agree i would want to leave it out for first new film series start. Though i would love if the next go around did try to play up the whole scifi/fantasy stuff more. Then maybe we could get into parallel dimensions and other nifty scifi elements. But i would still want to hold actually parallel dimension stuff to at least 2nd or 3rd film. But i do want to see more scifi/fantasy approach taken for the next series.

[Rodimus Primal]

My reinvention of Superman would start in a pre-opening credits scene that shows Clark at his parents house in Smallville. He would be getting the last of his things together and his parents come up with ways he could keep his identity secret. He gives his goodbyes and takes off carrying all of his personal belongings though the skies. We see him fly as the credits roll and we see him flying toward Metropolis afterward. It would be a reboot with Lex Luthor as a backseat villian that in the end cannot be brought to justice even though Superman knows better. There would be a secondary villian that gives Supes a run for his money that was created by "accident" like Parasite or Metallo.

[FlawlessVictory]

I was in Target over the weekend browsing the DVD's and I saw Street Fighter(Jean-Claude Van Damme version) (http://www.target.com/Street-Fighter-Extreme-Widescreen-Dual-layered/dp/B002FOEEK6/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&searchView=grid5&frombrowse=0&node=1259488011&keywords=street%20fighter&field_browse=1259488011&searchSize=30&id=Street%20Fighter%20Extreme%20Widescreen%20Dual-layered&field_availability=-2&refinementHistory=subjectbin%2Ctarget_com_age%2Cta rget_com_gender-bin%2Ctarget_com_character-bin%2Cprice%2Ctarget_com_primary_color-bin%2Ctarget_com_size-bin%2Ctarget_com_brand-bin&searchNodeID=1259488011&field_launch-date=-1y&searchRank=relevancerank&searchPage=1&field_keywords=street%20fighter&pf_rd_r=01Q9FKGVXTN0XQTPEE6M&pf_rd_m=A1VC38T7YXB528&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_i=0&pf_rd_p=489944911&pf_rd_s=center-3) marked $9.99. Underneath it were brand new copies of Superman Returns marked $5.00. (http://www.target.com/Superman-Returns-Widescreen-Dual-layered-DVD/dp/B002I3T508/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&searchView=grid5&frombrowse=0&node=1259488011&keywords=superman%20returns&field_browse=1259488011&searchSize=30&id=Superman%20Returns%20Widescreen%20Dual-layered%20DVD&field_availability=-2&refinementHistory=subjectbin%2Ctarget_com_age%2Cta rget_com_gender-bin%2Ctarget_com_character-bin%2Cprice%2Ctarget_com_primary_color-bin%2Ctarget_com_size-bin%2Ctarget_com_brand-bin&searchNodeID=1259488011&field_launch-date=-1y&searchRank=relevancerank&searchPage=1&field_keywords=superman%20returns&pf_rd_r=0JG2J6PXJSDV3RMD9KCX&pf_rd_m=A1VC38T7YXB528&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_i=0&pf_rd_p=489944911&pf_rd_s=center-3) Talk about a movie falling on hard times. :o

[FilmNerdJamie]

And I saw The Dark Knight for $5 at Wal-Mart a week or so back. That means nothing? :huh:

[FlawlessVictory]

A brand new copy of TDK selling at $5? I find that hard to believe. The one disc version of TDK is listed at $20.86 on the Wal-Mart site. (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10719507)

[FilmNerdJamie]

I'm lying? Seriously, don't be that guy.

[FaT_tONle]

I was in Target over the weekend browsing the DVD's and I saw Street Fighter(Jean-Claude Van Damme version) (http://www.target.com/Street-Fighter-Extreme-Widescreen-Dual-layered/dp/B002FOEEK6/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&searchView=grid5&frombrowse=0&node=1259488011&keywords=street%20fighter&field_browse=1259488011&searchSize=30&id=Street%20Fighter%20Extreme%20Widescreen%20Dual-layered&field_availability=-2&refinementHistory=subjectbin%2Ctarget_com_age%2Cta rget_com_gender-bin%2Ctarget_com_character-bin%2Cprice%2Ctarget_com_primary_color-bin%2Ctarget_com_size-bin%2Ctarget_com_brand-bin&searchNodeID=1259488011&field_launch-date=-1y&searchRank=relevancerank&searchPage=1&field_keywords=street%20fighter&pf_rd_r=01Q9FKGVXTN0XQTPEE6M&pf_rd_m=A1VC38T7YXB528&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_i=0&pf_rd_p=489944911&pf_rd_s=center-3) marked $9.99. Underneath it were brand new copies of Superman Returns marked $5.00. (http://www.target.com/Superman-Returns-Widescreen-Dual-layered-DVD/dp/B002I3T508/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&searchView=grid5&frombrowse=0&node=1259488011&keywords=superman%20returns&field_browse=1259488011&searchSize=30&id=Superman%20Returns%20Widescreen%20Dual-layered%20DVD&field_availability=-2&refinementHistory=subjectbin%2Ctarget_com_age%2Cta rget_com_gender-bin%2Ctarget_com_character-bin%2Cprice%2Ctarget_com_primary_color-bin%2Ctarget_com_size-bin%2Ctarget_com_brand-bin&searchNodeID=1259488011&field_launch-date=-1y&searchRank=relevancerank&searchPage=1&field_keywords=superman%20returns&pf_rd_r=0JG2J6PXJSDV3RMD9KCX&pf_rd_m=A1VC38T7YXB528&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_i=0&pf_rd_p=489944911&pf_rd_s=center-3) Talk about a movie falling on hard times. :o

That is the saddest thing I have ever seen in my life regarding a movie price.

[green]

I was in Target over the weekend browsing the DVD's and I saw Street Fighter(Jean-Claude Van Damme version) (http://www.target.com/Street-Fighter-Extreme-Widescreen-Dual-layered/dp/B002FOEEK6/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&searchView=grid5&frombrowse=0&node=1259488011&keywords=street%20fighter&field_browse=1259488011&searchSize=30&id=Street%20Fighter%20Extreme%20Widescreen%20Dual-layered&field_availability=-2&refinementHistory=subjectbin%2Ctarget_com_age%2Cta rget_com_gender-bin%2Ctarget_com_character-bin%2Cprice%2Ctarget_com_primary_color-bin%2Ctarget_com_size-bin%2Ctarget_com_brand-bin&searchNodeID=1259488011&field_launch-date=-1y&searchRank=relevancerank&searchPage=1&field_keywords=street%20fighter&pf_rd_r=01Q9FKGVXTN0XQTPEE6M&pf_rd_m=A1VC38T7YXB528&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_i=0&pf_rd_p=489944911&pf_rd_s=center-3) marked $9.99. Underneath it were brand new copies of Superman Returns marked $5.00. (http://www.target.com/Superman-Returns-Widescreen-Dual-layered-DVD/dp/B002I3T508/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&searchView=grid5&frombrowse=0&node=1259488011&keywords=superman%20returns&field_browse=1259488011&searchSize=30&id=Superman%20Returns%20Widescreen%20Dual-layered%20DVD&field_availability=-2&refinementHistory=subjectbin%2Ctarget_com_age%2Cta rget_com_gender-bin%2Ctarget_com_character-bin%2Cprice%2Ctarget_com_primary_color-bin%2Ctarget_com_size-bin%2Ctarget_com_brand-bin&searchNodeID=1259488011&field_launch-date=-1y&searchRank=relevancerank&searchPage=1&field_keywords=superman%20returns&pf_rd_r=0JG2J6PXJSDV3RMD9KCX&pf_rd_m=A1VC38T7YXB528&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_i=0&pf_rd_p=489944911&pf_rd_s=center-3) Talk about a movie falling on hard times. :o

For real?
I mean come on...
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4183911
WOW BATMAN BEGINS FOR $6.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How low...:whatever:
Or if it needs to be movie released the same year as Returns we can do that too!
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10216675
X3 $7.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5185122
The Davinci Code $8.00!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Now I remember why I dont post here:doh:

[FlawlessVictory]

^Yup, all still marked higher than SR. :awesome:

[green]

^Yup, all still marked higher than SR. :awesome:

Maybe you should look at the price for it at Walmart.:o

And back up your comments with proof.:cwink:

[FlawlessVictory]

^Damn, got me there. Well, I think I'll go sign that "Singer for MOS" petition now. :wow::woot:

[green]

^Damn, got me there. Well, I think I'll go sign that "Singer for MOS" petition now. :wow::woot:

That would be the smartest thing you did all day:oldrazz:

[FilmNerdJamie]

http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/1598/PreviewComp/SuperStock_1598R-128472.jpg

[Showtime]

A brand new copy of TDK selling at $5? I find that hard to believe. The one disc version of TDK is listed at $20.86 on the Wal-Mart site. (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10719507)

Superman Returns came out in 2006, The Dark Knight 2008... :dry:

[FlawlessVictory]

Superman Returns came out in 2006, The Dark Knight 2008... :dry:

OK, did I say something otherwise? FNJ said he saw TDK selling for $5 and that was my response to him.

[KalMart]

OK, did I say something otherwise? FNJ said he saw TDK selling for $5 and that was my response to him.

I'll sell you one for $2 and throw in SR for free. :oldrazz:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Reading this page has made me dumber.

[FlawlessVictory]

I'll sell you one for $2 and throw in SR for free. :oldrazz:

Hmm, I could use SR as a coaster for my drinks. :hehe:

[KalMart]

Reading this page has made me dumber.

Hence this remark, right?



:oldrazz:

[Showtime]

OK, did I say something otherwise? FNJ said he saw TDK selling for $5 and that was my response to him.

Yes...I know that.

[FlawlessVictory]

It's what happens when there is absolutely nothing happening with Superman on film. :csad:

Oh well, at least we still have Welling vs. Routh vs. Cavill debates to hold us over! :grin:

[Thundercrack85]

If they do reintroduce Superman I'd really like to see the whole government conspiracy theme used, especially before Clark became Superman. He's an alien, they're not just going to let him walk/fly around.

[Webhead2006]

That would be a nice thing to play into that some folks/government-military wouldnt be so trusting in this space alien savior. To like the end of the film when superman saves the city/world from the likes of metallo/brainiac.

[KalMart]

They won't know he's an alien if he doesn't tell them he is.

[Webhead2006]

well that is true too. Though if they are going to have clark know he is an alien/from krypton in new film by the time lois first writes an article for the planet. Then they would know he is an alien.

[solidsnake86]

It's what happens when there is absolutely nothing happening with Superman on film. :csad:

Oh well, at least we still have Welling vs. Routh vs. Cavill debates to hold us over! :grin:

Well we could always wait for that big announcement next year.... unless it was like that one from August 08 we're still waiting for :o Until then October 19th is the next court date for the lawsuit.

[Thundercrack85]

Well I suppose it really depends how they'd do it. But if it's anything like Smallville with a huge meteor shower, or an alien ship leaving a huge crash site, the government would no doubt investigate.

It also depends how the movie will portray Clark's early life, if it does at all.

[KalMart]

well that is true too. Though if they are going to have clark know he is an alien/from krypton in new film by the time lois first writes an article for the planet. Then they would know he is an alien.

If he chooses to share that part of his history. He could just agree to talk about why he's here, but not how he got here.

[SuperMike335!!]

If they do reintroduce Superman I'd really like to see the whole government conspiracy theme used, especially before Clark became Superman. He's an alien, they're not just going to let him walk/fly around.


Cuz the USA Government does a wonderful job at stopping Aliens from entering.

They can hardley write a check without it bouncing these days. :csad:

Likely they would not have known an Alien was living in Metropolis until Superman tells Lois hes from antother planet.

Then the Government would act like they knew all along, and that it is tollerated so long as he stays benevolent. Mostly in order to safe face.

They may also pull out the nation of immigrants card, hes and immigrant, were all immigrants lets all get along. :woot:

Then Lex believes he is the one to deal with the evil Alien menace. :cmad:

[Nightwing1977]

Superman Returns came out in 2006, The Dark Knight 2008... :dry:

Oh snap!! Didn't see that one coming. :hehe:

But seriously, the low prices doesn't always mean a movie is selling poorly. Unless some of you work in the DVD selling business, don't jump into conclusion.

Reading this page has made me dumber.

So.....does that make me "Dumb"? :D :D

http://southofheaven.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451960269e2010535cbe921970c-320wi

[GreenKToo]

Edit...

[Blackman]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/104096/v-a-first-look-at-v

If they do Brainiac in the next film (which they should) this could be good inspiration

[GreenKToo]

Thats pretty neat, and its not bad effects for a made for TV movie.

[Webhead2006]

tv show.

[Fresh Prince]

Superman should try a made for tv movie since we won't get a film for like years now....Just be Superman in his 4th year crime fighting in Metropolis and he has to take on Metallo, his newest super villian. They make the audience know of course the movie has no connection to the films....Its in its own universe.

[GreenKToo]

I didn't see this posted anywhere else. sorry if it already has been.


http://www.mania.com/warner-considering-for-lobo_article_118375.html

Will JUSTICE LEAGUE form around GREEN LANTERN?

Yesterday we linked to an article at nola.com regarding the filming of G.L.'. The piece contained a bit of info that we dismissed as speculation, but has been passed around the web since then. Namely, it mentions the notion that the DC movie is the first in a series that will build up to a 'J.L.' movie.
Writes the Times-Picayune:"Green Lantern" is expected to be the first in a trilogy of films focusing on D.C.'s Justice League heroes -- the others being "The Flash" and "Wonder Woman" -- before uniting all three with fellow League members Batman, Superman and Aquaman for a Justice League movie.
Now, that is entirely possible. C2F has never heard anything that directly refutes that statement. However, it doesn't really mesh with what we've been hearing out of the newly formed DC Entertainment. And it seems unlikely that the Times-Picayune would have access to this kind of advanced planning from DCE.
Our initial and present reaction to this is that it's a bit of misinformation glued together from various rumors. On the other hand, if we're wrong and the Times-Picayune is right, then it's exciting news indeed.


EDIT: Nevermind...I see its posted in the DC comics section.

[GreenKToo]

GRRR. Double

[Webhead2006]

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[batman44]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/104/1049965p1.html

Non-news news. Nothing happening in the land of Superman.

[Jochimus]

Actually, I'm kinda relieved to be getting 'non-news'...mostly because last night I actually dreamed that WB had announced they were going to do a movie with the working title SUPERMAN'S BODY, which was to be about Kara, a younger version of Steel in a patchwork suit a la "Iron Man"'s Mark I, an Eradicator/Matrix fusion who looked like he was played by Doug Jones, and a teenager resembling Superman who had no memory of who he was or how he came to be (might've been Conner, might've been Mon-El, might've even been a Bizarro, I'm not sure) going on a 'round-the-world quest to find Superman's corpse after it'd been stolen out of his grave following his bout with Doomsday. :dry:

At any rate, I wasn't expecting any progress to be made on another Superman movie until the whole legal mess is sorted out.

[Fresh Prince]

JL forming around GL will be good how?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Not only is it non-news, but it screams "If I do an article about Superman movie status, that means my hit-counts will be through the roof!" It also contradicts itself. WB/Legendary Pictures still want a sequel and executives want a fresh-start.

[Lighthouse]

I know I'm alone in this, but I hope we never see a Justice League movie. As much as I enjoy the animated Justice League shows, I've always felt that the superheros worked well in their own individual universes, yes, even Batman and Superman. I don't really want to see Superman in world with a bunch of other superheroes.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Different universe but I would go see it but I'm not 100% excited about an Avengers movie.

[Webhead2006]

i still do hate that with the legal issues, and then the execs cant pick a direction superman is in limbo. It shouldnt be so darn difficult to get it going. But oh well, we will just have to continue waiting and see what happens.

[solidsnake86]

They basically just re-stated everything we know. There going to say theres no official development on the property until this legal thing is figured out that way the family can't use there newly found rights as a bargaining chip. I'm sure WB doesnt want another watchmen situation.

[NeoRanger]

I know I'm alone in this, but I hope we never see a Justice League movie. As much as I enjoy the animated Justice League shows, I've always felt that the superheros worked well in their own individual universes, yes, even Batman and Superman. I don't really want to see Superman in world with a bunch of other superheroes.
A JL movie is a fanboy's wet-dream, but I'm actually kind of reluctant about it myself. I do think characters have a better chance in their own individual movies. Now if the Avengers movie comes out and proves otherwise (without being a ****** blockbuster like TF2 or GI Joe), then maybe I'll reconsider.

[GreenKToo]

Nothing we didn't already know..I don't look for one to even be seriously talked about before 5 years at least. Just my feeling.

[RachelDawes]

I know I'm alone in this, but I hope we never see a Justice League movie. As much as I enjoy the animated Justice League shows, I've always felt that the superheros worked well in their own individual universes, yes, even Batman and Superman. I don't really want to see Superman in world with a bunch of other superheroes.

I can understand your concerns about a JL movie and I've had some of my own, but I'd like to take the risk in hopes we'd get a kickass movie.

What do you think of a World's Finest film?

Nothing we didn't already know..I don't look for one to even be seriously talked about before 5 years at least. Just my feeling.

It's going to be a long five years. :csad:

[Lighthouse]

I can understand your concerns about a JL movie and I've had some of my own, but I'd like to take the risk in hopes we'd get a kickass movie.

What do you think of a World's Finest film?:

I think Batman works much better in his own universe without super powered beings. Team ups and Justice League I think are fine for comics and worked really well as an animated series, but I think in terms of narrative for a film, I think superheroes work much better in their own worlds.

[El Payaso]

I too think that if you're going to try to emphasize how wonderful Superman's powers are, you don't put him next to 20 guys that fly just like him.

[Webhead2006]

yea like we all been thinking we are likely not going to get anything superman on film to probably post 2013 at this rate once both familes rights are on the table and we can see were the families and wb/dc stand on things. Though it would be great if something happens sooner. But i wouldnt expect it at all.

[Fresh Prince]

A JL movie is a fanboy's wet-dream, but I'm actually kind of reluctant about it myself. I do think characters have a better chance in their own individual movies. Now if the Avengers movie comes out and proves otherwise (without being a ****** blockbuster like TF2 or GI Joe), then maybe I'll reconsider.

TF2 was good and so was GI Joe.....I expect Avengers to be great....And hopefully we get a JL movie

[Fresh Prince]

I can understand your concerns about a JL movie and I've had some of my own, but I'd like to take the risk in hopes we'd get a kickass movie.

What do you think of a World's Finest film?



It's going to be a long five years. :csad:

A World's Finest movie be great!....Batman and Superman teaming up to take on Lex Luthor and the Joker.....Also to the person who said Batman should not be with super powered people....Most of his rogue gallery is super powered people....I do not see a problem with it.

[RachelDawes]

A World's Finest movie be great!....Batman and Superman teaming up to take on Lex Luthor and the Joker.....Also to the person who said Batman should not be with super powered people....Most of his rogue gallery is super powered people....I do not see a problem with it.

:huh: I thought Batman's rogues were mostly ordinary people with manias.

[Mr. Earle]

Yeah, most of his rogues are ordinary people with mental problems. But he does have some superpowered villains like Bane, Croc or Clayface.

[Fresh Prince]

Yeah, most of his rogues are ordinary people with mental problems. But he does have some superpowered villains like Bane, Croc or Clayface.

Exactly!....So whats wrong with putting Batman in a WF or JL movie fighting super powered people?

[Venom'sDad]

I know I'm alone in this, but I hope we never see a Justice League movie. As much as I enjoy the animated Justice League shows, I've always felt that the superheros worked well in their own individual universes, yes, even Batman and Superman. I don't really want to see Superman in world with a bunch of other superheroes.

A World's Finest movie be great!....Batman and Superman teaming up to take on Lex Luthor and the Joker.....Also to the person who said Batman should not be with super powered people....Most of his rogue gallery is super powered people....I do not see a problem with it.


I for one understand your concern Lighthouse, I'm on the fence with that same desire. Also, I agree with your assessment about the Superman and other superheroes. I wonder sometimes, why Superman even need assistance from less powerful superheroes in dealing with a supervillain that would most likely be from his rogue gallery.

Which really leads to the point for Fresh Prince... it will take some slick writing incorporating Batman, in an useful and meaningful role, in a JL film featuring Supervillain(s), that require Superman to need assistance from other lessor power superheroes in the first place.

Superman does not need JL... JL needs Superman.

[Fresh Prince]

I for one understand your concern Lighthouse, I'm on the fence with that same desire. Also, I agree with your assessment about the Superman and other superheroes. I wonder sometimes, why Superman even need assistance from less powerful superheroes in dealing with a supervillain that would most likely be from his rogue gallery.

Which really leads to the point for Fresh Prince... it will take some slick writing incorporating Batman, in an useful and meaningful role, in a JL film featuring Supervillain(s), that require Superman to need assistance from other lessor power superheroes in the first place.

Superman does not need JL... JL needs Superman.

You can write Batman in a WF movie helping Superman....Joker and Luthor team up, which proves to be to much for him so he needs Batman's help....Superman cannot handle Joker, only one man can and thats Batman.

[NeoRanger]

^http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1884973

Sorry, but the less we challenge logic in a concept like this, the better. Superman can handle anything just fine; if you do a World's Finest movie, you don't want anyone examining the logistics, you only want them to have fun. If they work this out, fine. Otherwise...

[Fresh Prince]

I want a WF movie and it can work.

[Webhead2006]

yea i dont see why a WF film couldnt happen. But darn execs seem to put a monkey wrench in everything.

[Mr. Earle]

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Exactly!....So whats wrong with putting Batman in a WF or JL movie fighting super powered people?I have no problems with it. I am with you man!

I for one understand your concern Lighthouse, I'm on the fence with that same desire. Also, I agree with your assessment about the Superman and other superheroes. I wonder sometimes, why Superman even need assistance from less powerful superheroes in dealing with a supervillain that would most likely be from his rogue gallery.

Which really leads to the point for Fresh Prince... it will take some slick writing incorporating Batman, in an useful and meaningful role, in a JL film featuring Supervillain(s), that require Superman to need assistance from other lessor power superheroes in the first place.

Superman does not need JL... JL needs Superman.Actually, Flash can beat all the DC supervillains by himself in a matter of seconds. Superman who?

Just search "the mother******* Flash" on google.

The concept of the JL relies on making a few concessions in logic because the main idea is putting together a team of all our favourite characters. Superman and Flash can clear a room of supervillains before Green Lantern even thinks of what construct he wants his ring to make, before Batman throws a batarang, or before Green Arrow throws a boxing glove arrow.

But the magic of the Justice League isnt in the action (which by the way is respectful to each character. You'll never see Batman beating up Darkseid. He'll be using his brain as a strategist or taking on his minions). Its about pitting together characters who have the same goal (justice) but they are very different in their methods and characters. In the JL each hero works as a foil to the other and this way we explore them in a different way, since their own franchise they have nobody like them to argue with.
The most prominent example is Batman vs Superman. When they met they hated each other but came to understand each other and become best friends.
For me JL is a character study of those characters under a prism that doesnt exist in their own franchise. You can focus on unrealism and logic and trivialities like that but we re talking about a man dressed as a bat, a man that shoots arrows with boxing gloves, an alien that absorbs solar radiation, an amazon princess, a guy whose ring makes light constructs to his will, etc.
**** the realism for once and have some fun.

And for the record, the Cadmus plot that was examined throughout the third (if i am not mistaken) season of JL animated was one of the best comic book plots i have ever read/watched. It was brilliant.

[Webhead2006]

those are some good viewpoints on jl on film.

[Fresh Prince]

You forgot about Women Women....She could also clean house with the DC supervillians.

[Mr. Earle]

those are some good viewpoints on jl on film.Thanks a lot!
You forgot about Women Women....She could also clean house with the DC supervillians.
Not like Flash and Superman though. But its true that she is a powerhouse!

[Fresh Prince]

Thanks a lot!

Not like Flash and Superman though. But its true that she is a powerhouse!

So you saying Supes and Flash the best in thE DCU?

[Mr. Earle]

So you saying Supes and Flash the best in thE DCU?
Hardly. There are gods, demigods and god knows what else that trump them in power.
But as far as the JL goes, Flash, Zatanna and then Superman are the most powerful. WW is a step down from Superman.

[Fresh Prince]

Hardly. There are gods, demigods and god knows what else that trump them in power.
But as far as the JL goes, Flash, Zatanna and then Superman are the most powerful. WW is a step down from Superman.

Okay thanks.

[GreenKToo]

I liked the comic I read a few years ago ( I forget the title) where Lex and the Joker team up and take on each others rival. Lex went to Gotham and Joker to Metropolis.
It was very good. Bats didnt really know how to deal with Lex, nor did Supes with the Joker.

[Fresh Prince]

^ Did Lex and Joker know what to do with Bats and Supes?...I like to have a WF movie were Supes and Batman team up to take on Lex and Joker....Who team up.

[Mr. Earle]

^ Did Lex and Joker know what to do with Bats and Supes?...I like to have a WF movie were Supes and Batman team up to take on Lex and Joker....Who team up.Watch Dini and Timm's animated movie "The Batman and Superman Movie: World's finest". Its a crossover of BTAS and STAS. Luthor and Joker are the villains.

[GreenKToo]

^ Did Lex and Joker know what to do with Bats and Supes?...I like to have a WF movie were Supes and Batman team up to take on Lex and Joker....Who team up.
Superman wasn't used to dealing with someone as morbid and insane as the joker, and the joker took advantage of that..
Batman wasn't used to dealing with a villain being right out in the public eye like Lex was, a corporate villain that used lawyers, etc.
Both villains had the upper hand for awhile.
It would make for an interesting film I think.

[Webhead2006]

probably would be.

[Fresh Prince]

It would.

[dark_b]

how should i put this. Avatar's 3D works. thats a fact.

let me explain it to you. lets say that the 3D stereospace can be measured from 0-10 . so 0 is zero 3D and 10 is 100% 3D. in avatar 90% of the 3D is around 4-6 IMO. what does this mean? it never feels gimmick and it never fells forced. and your eyes wont hurt. thats now the explanation.

in the movie there is a flying scene. this is what this post is about. a f... flying scene. and its in 3D. it feels like you are flying next in the air . like you are free. it was one of the best movie moments of my live.if the 3D can look 100% exact like in Avatar........then do the next superman in 3D. it would be to me one of the best movie experince of my live. flying next to superman?only if its like in Avatar.

[Webhead2006]

3D things are always fun, i have always liked 3D myself. If its used in the right manner it would be nice tool to use.

[dark_b]

there are also some shots like a plane flying above the forest. and the subtle really subtle and not obvious 3D makes it so realistic.

to me it felt like driving with a car . you really felt that things were moving infront of you. i think this could do wonders for a superman movie. but it needs to be done right.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i hear the avator film turned out great and good 3d. I am hoping to see it in the next few days myself.

[Timstuff]

Batman 3 shot in Imax, Superman Begins shot in Digital 3D. :word::up:

[Rodrigo90]

I always liked the christianity comparisons. Lets have more of that. Jesus made a self sacrifice,Superman should too. Jesus resurrected,Superman obviously will too

Doomsday storyline

[NeoRanger]

I always liked the christianity comparisons. Lets have more of that.I'll give you a five minute head-start. Then I'm coming after you.


Run.

[Rodrigo90]

But Superman has a lot of comparisons to Jesus.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Ditto Moses.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'll give you a five minute head-start. Then I'm coming after you.


Run.:hehe:

[NeoRanger]

But Superman has a lot of comparisons to Jesus.

Ditto Moses.

Which is all fine and dandy and it was cute when we were exploring it for the first time so many years ago, but by focusing so much on these metaphors (to the point of making new ones-- Doomsday/Death) we have completely neglected to explore his role as an allegory for the Ubermensch.

I mean, has anybody ever considered that part of why Superman is so good and moral and sure of his abilities isn't because he's inherently good or because he was raised by the Kents, but simply because he is Super-Man and has dispensed petty little traits that still restrict the rest of us mere men?

I'd like to see a little more of Super-Man and a little less of Bible characters.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Indeed. The Separation of Church and Comics.

[GhostPoet]

I've never been fully happy with any film version of Superman.

If I was writing...the first film would have lots of sci-fi elements and involve Brainiac and Luthor vs Superman. Robots for Superman to bash and even Brainiac fueled human/drone hybrids. (along with Captain Atom and a military subplot)

The sequel would be Metallo and Luthor (now obsessed with finding Brainiac)

The third film would be Darkseid, who Luthor accidently finds when searching for Brainiac.

[RachelDawes]

Which is all fine and dandy and it was cute when we were exploring it for the first time so many years ago, but by focusing so much on these metaphors (to the point of making new ones-- Doomsday/Death) we have completely neglected to explore his role as an allegory for the Ubermensch.

I mean, has anybody ever considered that part of why Superman is so good and moral and sure of his abilities isn't because he's inherently good or because he was raised by the Kents, but simply because he is Super-Man and has dispensed petty little traits that still restrict the rest of us mere men?

I'd like to see a little more of Super-Man and a little less of Bible characters.

Without the Kents, Superman could just have easily "dispensed petty little traits" that make up caring humans as well, a la Dr. Manhattan. That could be brought up in the next movie.

[X Knight]

well....with Singer going back to the X-men franchise ( he should have never left in the 1st place.....stupid Fox..... )......I think it's safe to say......the SR franchise is dead.......lol

[Webhead2006]

well yea supes does have alot of traits to jesus/moses though i think most fans dont want to see it full blown in our faces.

Pretty much true supes-bats, though its pretty much been the reasoning for a long time now.

[GreenKToo]

I always liked the christianity comparisons. Lets have more of that. Jesus made a self sacrifice,Superman should too. Jesus resurrected,Superman obviously will too

Doomsday storyline

I'll give you a five minute head-start. Then I'm coming after you.


Run.

Indeed. The Separation of Church and Comics.
I have to agree. A slight nod would be ok, but not in your face like the last film.

[Superark]

I always liked the christianity comparisons. Lets have more of that. Jesus made a self sacrifice,Superman should too. Jesus resurrected,Superman obviously will too

Doomsday storyline


I personally like the Christ/Moses comparisons. But then again, I'm a Christian so it has appeal for me.

But I'm fine if they don't use them either.

[Webhead2006]

i am catholic myself, but i dont really want to see it up in my face. I agree a little nod or comparison here and there is ok.

[X Knight]

there's some obvious Christ parallels inherent in Superman's basic story....

but they don't need to beat our heads over with it.....

what would be more interesting would be how ppl in the public view Superman as a savior/Christ like figure.......but Superman is too humble to see himself as that......he just wants to use his abilities/powers to help as many ppl as possible......

[Mr. Earle]

Without the Kents, Superman could just have easily "dispensed petty little traits" that make up caring humans as well, a la Dr. Manhattan. That could be brought up in the next movie.I agree. I strongly believe that Clark (he is the real person after all) is who he is because of how he was raised. Smallville is a pile of crap but it showed that Lex turned evil because he never got the affection and love that Clark got and he envies him for it. So even though i hate Smallville, i gotta admit that i like how they underlined the importance of Clark's upbringing in his character.
Then in my favourite "Superman/Batman Annual #2" Bruce visits Clark at the farm and you can see that he'd give everything to have a life full of love like Clark's.
So yeah, i'd like to see that in the films as well.

[Mr. Earle]

As for Superman/Jesus parallels i dont know what you guys mean. Could you elaborate?

I just want him to have the status he has in the DCU. He is more than a strong dude with a cape, the way Batman is more than a ninja with a cape. If Batman is the Dark Knight, then Superman is the white knight, way more than Harvey Dent. The reason Superman is compelling to me is because of his role in the DCU as a symbol of hope, of good and what mankind can achieve (and i dont mean the powers).

There are many superpowered heroes out there, but only one Superman.
Jor-El says it best:
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[NeoRanger]

Jor-El says it best:Yeah, that's exactly what we mean when we say parallels. The idea that Superman was sent to us from the skies to save us, which is bs.

Superman wasn't sent to us, he was shoved into a ship and shot off into space by a desperate father, who wanted to save his kid (Moses metaphor). And he's not here to save us; he actively chooses to use his superhuman abilities to help people.

[Mr. Earle]

I dont like Jor-El forcing Clark to do this either. How would he know what kind of person his son would grow up to be, and why would he put such a burden on his shoulders? So yeah, while the Jor-El voice over is great, i dont need Jor-El choosing Clark's path in life. He should be the one to do it.

But the fact is, that after Clark decides to become Superman, he does become a symbol for all of humanity whether he or his father intended it or not.

[Webhead2006]

totally agree their i rather have clark himself decide to be a hero and develop his look and persona there. Then just have jorel/fos to be something where he goes to be alone and private, and learn about outspace/krypton and other worlds.

[DavidTyler]

I've always hated the religious parallels. I don't mind the Moses as much as the Jesus allusions.

I prefer to think of Clark/Superman as a tuned up human who has more in common with a Fireman or Police Officer. He's here to help .... not change the world. It's not his job. His job is rescue people from dangerous situations, not serve as some ersatz messiah.

I need Clark to have feet of clay. He needs to get angry sometimes. He needs to make rash decisions once in a while that he regrets later. I want to see Superman learn by making mistakes. I have no desire to see 'Mr. Perfect' on the big screen. That's would be incredibly boring.

[Showtime]

I think Clark/Superman, should choose to help humanity based off the way he was brought up by Ma and Pa Kent.

[Mr. Earle]

I've always hated the religious parallels. I don't mind the Moses as much as the Jesus allusions.

I prefer to think of Clark/Superman as a tuned up human who has more in common with a Fireman or Police Officer. He's here to help .... not change the world. It's not his job. His job is rescue people from dangerous situations, not serve as some ersatz messiah.

I need Clark to have feet of clay. He needs to get angry sometimes. He needs to make rash decisions once in a while that he regrets later. I want to see Superman learn by making mistakes. I have no desire to see 'Mr. Perfect' on the big screen. That's would be incredibly boring.Whether he likes it or not, people idolize him and thus he serves a different role from Batman's. Batman intimidates people to stop them from committing crimes, but Superman serves as an example to people, being a Lady Diana, Ghandy, Mother Teresa of sorts. And that is why saving the world from Brainiac is just as important to him as saving a cat from a tree, or stopping a simple thief.

People might not like it, but this is how Superman is written in the comics. And for me, that is why he is the greatest superhero out there. Not because of his powers (the Flash could easily beat him), not because he was the hero of the first comic book, not because of any other reason, but because he is the symbol of good, truth and justice.
I think Clark/Superman, should choose to help humanity based off the way he was brought up by Ma and Pa Kent.Agreed.

[Webhead2006]

i agree there it should be clark's upbringing that makes him decide to go out and be a hero and save folks.

[The Caped Knight]

Warner Bros. successfully reintroduced Sherlock Holmes to a modern day audience . I believe they can do the same with Superman they just need the right director , the prefect cast and a very good story with lots of action .

[GreenKToo]

No doubt about that Kal.
I think right now WB and the families are having a staring contest, and the only ones who are suffering from it are the fans.
Who blinks first, WB or the families. That will determine how long we have to wait. Since WB has plenty of cash already and they don't have to depend on another Superman film for more cash, my money is on the families blinking first.

[Superark]

No doubt about that Kal.
I think right now WB and the families are having a staring contest, and the only ones who are suffering from it are the fans.
Who blinks first, WB or the families. That will determine how long we have to wait. Since WB has plenty of cash already and they don't have to depend on another Superman film for more cash, my money is on the families blinking first.


^This is right.

I just wish WB would pay them and ton of money and get it over with already.

BTW an unrelated bit, I finally bought a copy of Superman Returns on Blu-ray and it looks evening more beautiful to me.

[Webhead2006]

yea i just wish it wasnt so crazy between the families and wb/dc comics. Hopefully in the near future we will hear a deal has been reached, and the families get X amount of money for this or that stuff. And that wb/dc comics can continue to use everything that the families do legally have ownership to in future comics/cartoons/movies/tv shows, etc....

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Warner Bros. successfully reintroduced Sherlock Holmes to a modern day audience . I believe they can do the same with Superman they just need the right director , the prefect cast and a very good story with lots of action .I'm convinced that a decent action packed Superman movie would gross atleast 275mil at the boxoffice.

I've gone back and forth about rather I thought that it would but I've come to the conlusion that I think that it would.

No, I'm not saying that making 275mil is an easy but I think that right Superman movie would make that much.

They need buzzed about actors in the movie and an action packed (hopefully) decent script. They need it to be a complete reinvention. Hopefully when WB clears up this rights issue they will make that movie.

[Webhead2006]

i think it would be able to do that too spidey, all counting on the cast/director, marketing, good word of mouth, and a perfect release date not to soon or after any other big films for that year and all that.

[solidsnake86]

No doubt about that Kal.
I think right now WB and the families are having a staring contest, and the only ones who are suffering from it are the fans.
Who blinks first, WB or the families. That will determine how long we have to wait. Since WB has plenty of cash already and they don't have to depend on another Superman film for more cash, my money is on the families blinking first.

For some reason I think they might have settled, I remember reading on superman homepage that another court date was scheduled for mid November and that came and went with no news. Usually they had the news posted within the week of what happend. That's if something was actually scheduled. Also on superman homepage there was a quote from dan Lin talking about the JLA movie and how it seems that dc will announce there slate in January. It would be something if they could announce a cast for green lantern, possibly batman 3 and another superman movie in the works.

[GreenKToo]

I'd pass smooth out if a new *REBOOTED* Superman film were announced. That would be totally out of left field if it happened.

[GreenKToo]

I'm convinced that a decent action packed Superman movie would gross atleast 275mil at the boxoffice.

I've gone back and forth about rather I thought that it would but I've come to the conlusion that I think that it would.

No, I'm not saying that making 275mil is an easy but I think that right Superman movie would make that much.

They need buzzed about actors in the movie and an action packed (hopefully) decent script. They need it to be a complete reinvention. Hopefully when WB clears up this rights issue they will make that movie.
I look at it like this. Say they do reboot Superman but it does less than 250 dom. , BUT, because it has a great director, cast, story, and action, WOM takes over ( like it did with B.B.) and DVD sales go through the roof. People like it, buzz gets going, and a sequel would most likely be announced soon after.

It's simple, in order to get to the point where a sequel can even be thought about, they'll have to NOT play it safe with the reboot. It will need a great director and a TOP NOTCH cast. Plus, they WILL have to bring the action or the public will not be interested. The public by now is used to big action films, any less than that, especially in a Superman film of all things, will NOT succeed.

I do understand that they will want the first one to make as much money as possible, but the goal I would think would be for it to be successful enough to warrant a sequel, ie; a good B.O. take, positive buzz, and great DVD sales.

Just look at B.B. The difference between it and S.R. was all the positive buzz B.B. got, not the B.O....because both B.B. and S.R.'s B.O. were similar, and we all know what B.B. lead to.
Boy, do we need our *nolan* on the next Superman film, and badly.

If we get lucky enough to get another superman film, and it has a 50/50 split as well, then WB will prolly throw up their hands and just stick to books and animated films from then on out with superman.

It's a scary thought, but It will all hinge on the kind of director they get. Will he have clout? will he be a yes man? who knows. Whoever he is tho I hope he will look at ALL of superman's history and not just Donner's, or the animated series, ect ect.

[Webhead2006]

yea they just need to find the right folks this time around that get and understand who/what the characters are. Is able to give what comic fans want to see in a superman film. then make the film open and viewable to folks who dont get superman/general movie goers and all that. As for the reveal in jan for the dce meeting. it would be nice if superman is talked about but i doubt it. i dont think anything has been resovled yet in the court case there.

Its more likely will be nolan on board for batman3 with a potential release date in 2012. Talk about the release of hex/losers for this coming yet, maybe if not revealed yet the rest of the cast for green lantern. Then probably mention the animated dtv stuff. Then if there is any other new films getting the go ahead i still think its more likely we will get either flash/shazam for 2012/2013 as the next big tentpole film in the works. Then either a lobo/deadman/ type of character to be in place of a hex/losers film of 2010 for like late 2011/mid 2012.

[FilmNerdJamie]

If they've already settled (which they will, don't doubt that at all), you're not going to see all of these "They've reached an agreement!" headlines issued from the studio. This **** tends to be kept on the down-low.

[GreenKToo]

meh..I wont be impressed with a bunch of lesser tier character films being announced. Thats just me tho.

[GreenKToo]

My ONLY concern about a settlement happening would be for the lawyers to tell the families ''wait, you can get more''.
That's unless WB offers such a ridiculous amount to them that the attorneys rip their hands off taking it.

[Webhead2006]

well even if there was a settlement made/when it happens, it would be nice to know if its over and get a few details on what it all means for us fans now, and what the families get and what wb/dc gets out of the deal and all that.

[Sam]

My ONLY concern about a settlement happening would be for the lawyers to tell the families ''wait, you can get more''.
That's unless WB offers such a ridiculous amount to them that the attorneys rip their hands off taking it.

Who wants to much, end up with nothing.

[solidsnake86]

If they've already settled (which they will, don't doubt that at all), you're not going to see all of these "They've reached an agreement!" headlines issued from the studio. This **** tends to be kept on the down-low.

That's exactly what I was thinking, the less we hear after a court date between the 2 parties the more it seems likely that they settled. For starters, after everyone that's taken place there has been news immediately after. If there was one in November not hearing anything might be a good sign because I don't think they have to disclose anything to the public. So I'm beginning to become intrigued to see this dc entertainment thin in January but I won't hold my breath if it's like the august 08 one.

[Webhead2006]

hopefully it will be different.

[wattabrownsound]

i hope they make clark interesting to watch so we're not just waiting for superman to come back on screen.

[spider-neil]

if there is indeed a reboot, for pete's sake skip the origin already, yes he came to earth as a baby, move on!!
you are pretty much wasting half a movie retreading old ground.
if there IS a reteling of his origin do it in the opening credits like TIH.

movie opening
darkseid attacks
devestates metropolis

middle of the movie
superman comes to terms with his deafet

final third
superman attacks

roll credits. epic, engaging, battle sequences, character development especially with superman when he is dealing with defeat.

[NeoRanger]

You don't want Darkseid in the first movie, if you intend to do more afterwards. You really can't top Darkseid.

[Vaibow]

if there is indeed a reboot, for pete's sake skip the origin already, yes he came to earth as a baby, move on!!
you are pretty much wasting half a movie retreading old ground.
if there IS a reteling of his origin do it in the opening credits like TIH.

movie opening
darkseid attacks
devestates metropolis

middle of the movie
superman comes to terms with his deafet

final third
superman attacks

roll credits. epic, engaging, battle sequences, character development especially with superman when he is dealing with defeat.

I don't really want a Transformers style movie

[spider-neil]

You don't want Darkseid in the first movie, if you intend to do more afterwards. You really can't top Darkseid.

brainiac
doomsday

[spider-neil]

I don't really want a Transformers style movie

you can have bombastic action with heart felt performances at its core, look at avatar. TF2 is the worst movie I've ever seen, the last thing I want is all action no plot.

[GreenKToo]

My wish.
Superman would be already established. Age, early 30's.
Brainiac would be the main villain, with Darkseid pulling the strings behind the scenes.
Lex is there as well, trying his best to somehow get tech from Brainiac.

At the end of the film, after defeating Brainiac, superman discovers that Brainiac was really sent to test the earth's defenses for an invasion. He was Sent by an even more powerful being than he.
The Last scene would show superman headed to the UN with Lois to try and unite the worlds countries and prepare it for the invasion to come. think of a kingdom come type scene at the U.N.

Second film.
Full on invasion of Earth by Darkseid and his armies. Boomtubes open all over the earth and out pours a massive army.
On one side you would have Superman and the combined military forces of the Earth's countries, and on the other side Darkseid and his army.

massive battles on every Contintent between the forces would take place. American, Chinese, Russian, Iranian, etc etc would be fighting side by side against this common threat.
huge battle scenes with massive damage and destruction.
Lots of feel good moments as well as earth's people slowly get the upper hand through shear grit.
You can imagine the fight between Superman and Darkseid. This would be huge. windows would shatter for blocks just from the shear power of the blows exchanged.

Imagine a scene with Darkseid getting the upperhand momentarily over superman in their fight.
Superman goes down. Darkseid pummels him over and over and over into the ground.
Then, just before superman slips into unconsciousness, a squadron of fighter jets descend out of the smoke and clouds.
The pilots know its a one way ticket, but they must help Superman.
They fire on Darkseid. Missiles erupt all over him. He moves away from Superman.
They fire again, and then again. It distracts Darkseid long enough for Superman to regain his composure. Darkseid looks up and destroys the jets like fly's with his energy beams, but it's brought superman the time he needed to recover.
Superman watches the smoking planes fall in fiery pieces. He is enraged that Darkseid murdered them. He slowly stands. His suit is ripped and shredded and his eyes glow bright red and smoke with anger. He walks toward Darkseid with purpose.
Darkseid looks into the M.O.S.'s eyes. For the first time ever, Darkseid feels fear creep into his soul.

And just for sh*$ and giggles, i'd have Lex actually helping his fellow man as well. an enemy of my enemy kind of thing. He figures out the tech of Brainiac and Darkseid and closes the boomtubes permanetly.

As I said, that's just my wish. I would of course be fine with an origin if that's the way they go...

[Webhead2006]

yea i rather start with a lower class villain like metallo or brainiac and leave darkseid as the final threat of a 3rd film or what not.

but i said it before with a reboot you need or should at least have some origin told. So we know why this superman is the way he is and why the world is the way it is.

[GreenKToo]

I'd bet money it will be an origin.

[Webhead2006]

yea totally we know we are multi years away from likely another film happening. So its the prime time to have a new origin be told. Be that krypton, smallville life, or what he did before he came to metropolis like wold travels and all that. As i said a few times over, it would be stupid to have a reboot and not show any type of origin at all.

[Webhead2006]

yea totally we know we are multi years away from likely another film happening. So its the prime time to have a new origin be told. Be that krypton, smallville life, or what he did before he came to metropolis like wold travels and all that. As i said a few times over, it would be stupid to have a reboot and not show any type of origin at all.

[GreenKToo]

Ok, like I posted in The DC section, Jan is here. This is the month we're supposed to hear the big announcement from WB/DC on their film line-up.
To show or Jamie. Any idea of an exact date to expect it? Or will it just be out of the blue one day?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

When they blurt out a particular month for possible news, if anything happens they typically drag it out towards the middle to end of the month :-/

[BH/HHH]

Ok, like I posted in The DC section, Jan is here. This is the month we're supposed to hear the big announcement from WB/DC on their film line-up.
To show or Jamie. Any idea of an exact date to expect it? Or will it just be out of the blue one day?

I hope we hear something soon but I just get the feeling if Superman is mentioned wit will be the same old story we are looking at where we want to go with it, etc. I don't hold out much hope on the Superman front I'm expecting Green Lantern to be the dominating factor. Hopefully I'm wrong mind.

[Webhead2006]

yea i said over in the dc section i would probably target around jan 15th ish time frame as to when the meeting might be happening. Hopefully it does happen and hopefully we will have some solid news on certain projects and all that. Though i doubt it will have anything to do with superman besides the animated DTV stuff. IT will probably be GL news, then maybe confirm shazam or flash are next, and talk about the upcoming releases of hex/losers and maybe a few other things.

[GreenKToo]

I just don't think much buzz at all will be created without any big guns announced.
G.L. we know about, but what about The Flash, Superman, or W.W.?
Honestly, who is going to get very excited over a plastic man film or something else like the losers? Not me. Maybe some of you guys will be, but I want more than that.

Anywho, here's to hoping we get some good news.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'd bet money it will be an origin.After Star Trek's success I'd bet that too.

[solidsnake86]

if there is indeed a reboot, for pete's sake skip the origin already, yes he came to earth as a baby, move on!!
you are pretty much wasting half a movie retreading old ground.
if there IS a reteling of his origin do it in the opening credits like TIH.

movie opening
darkseid attacks
devestates metropolis

middle of the movie
superman comes to terms with his deafet

final third
superman attacks


roll credits. epic, engaging, battle sequences, character development especially with superman when he is dealing with defeat.

this is exactly what I don't want to see for a first movie IMO. I think one key aspect that's been working in batman, spiderman and ironman is that there alter egos are what makes them relatable to the audience. Look at the wonders the character of bruce has done for the new franchise, I would even go so far as to say it's better then batmans screen time and ditto for Tony stark too. A character like superman is barely relatable as is and completely disregarding his character (which having darkseid in a movie would do) is a huge mistake. Making the audience care for Clark is key to making people care about a superman film.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

this is exactly what I don't want to see for a first movie IMO. I think one key aspect that's been working in batman, spiderman and ironman is that there alter egos are what makes them relatable to the audience. Look at the wonders the character of bruce has done for the new franchise, I would even go so far as to say it's better then batmans screen time and ditto for Tony stark too. A character like superman is barely relatable as is and completely disregarding his character (which having darkseid in a movie would do) is a huge mistake. Making the audience care for Clark is key to making people care about a superman film.Great point.

[hammy]

I've really grown weary of all of this. :( I'm tired of waiting for a great movie. I'm so tired of inept, uncreative morons making the decisions that inevitably result in disappointment. My New Year's Resolution is to just give up hope. Just quit waiting, wondering, worrying .. just give up. :dry:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I've really grown weary of all of this. :( I'm tired of waiting for a great movie. I'm so tired of inept, uncreative morons making the decisions that inevitably result in disappointment. My New Year's Resolution is to just give up hope. Just quit waiting, wondering, worrying .. just give up. :dry:I completely understand what you are feeling.:csad:

[Webhead2006]

oh totally it sucks there is so many problems we fans have to face for superman to get on the big screen. It to bad we cant get a superman film in the line of spider-man 1/2, ironman, and bb/tdk. If we can get a superman film like those films it would probably be a solid money maker and have happy fans and good wom.

[GreenKToo]

I'm not giving up YET..I want to hear the announcement before I vent.

[spider-neil]

this is exactly what I don't want to see for a first movie IMO. I think one key aspect that's been working in batman, spiderman and ironman is that there alter egos are what makes them relatable to the audience. Look at the wonders the character of bruce has done for the new franchise, I would even go so far as to say it's better then batmans screen time and ditto for Tony stark too. A character like superman is barely relatable as is and completely disregarding his character (which having darkseid in a movie would do) is a huge mistake. Making the audience care for Clark is key to making people care about a superman film.

so why didn't they relate to clark in the last movie then?
besides, I was only talking broad strokes. obviously there would be focus on clark, I was outlining the key moments in the movie.

[spider-neil]

I've really grown weary of all of this. :( I'm tired of waiting for a great movie. I'm so tired of inept, uncreative morons making the decisions that inevitably result in disappointment. My New Year's Resolution is to just give up hope. Just quit waiting, wondering, worrying .. just give up. :dry:

I don't know what's worse, superman in developement limbo or spider-man linked with the lamest villians imaginable. its like someone offering the choice of being shot in the head or heart.

[solidsnake86]

so why didn't they relate to clark in the last movie then?
besides, I was only talking broad strokes. obviously there would be focus on clark, I was outlining the key moments in the movie.

Basically he takes off for five years and comes back but we arent really given an emotional reason why he left or even shown why he left. With a villain like darkseid you take away the reporter aspect of clark and that ability to interact with lois. I mean if you have darkseid, a character that basically comes in and destroys things, no one is really going to be reporting so much as they will be running for there lives. If you want to reboot the thing I think for a first movie they should avoid hitting the ground running with an established superman, and avoid the intergalatic conquerer who comes in and destroys stuff.

Hate luthor all you want but a story about luthor being the golden boy of metropolis gives a reason for the daily planet to exist and a supporting cast by having them expose him.