All Things Superman: An Open Discussion

[misjuevos]

yo superman reboot should have tom welling as the lead, the idea of having different actors playing the boy scout is just old.imagine someone else playing Tonystark/Ironman.

someone esle will eventually be tony stark. superman has been on film and tv shows for a long time you should expect the change. people get new directors and writers and want to set themselves apart from the previous work. that being said i think routh should return, he will always be superman to me from now on. when i see him on screen i see superman first then who he is supposed to be. it's his curse now so he should get to be superman.

[Dark Knight]

Caught some of the waste of time and energy crapfest Superman 3 the other night and this scene below is hilarious. Superman sounding like a douche of a guy who says he doesn't remember having sex with someone the next day. LOL!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lw79TG7cGs&feature=related



The scene where he is getting drunk is hilarious also below!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlI-i5xM30o

[Nave 'Torment']

Zack snyder on for the man of steel!!!!!!!!!

[Gianakin_]

What I'd like the film to do is focus on the Kryptonian mythos and civilization. Not to an extent that will overshadow the Metropolis part of the script, but delving into Jor-El's life, the Kryptonians' civilization and technology would be welcome.

It would also be a great way to further develop Superman, since we could see the how much weight the "last son of krypton" title really bears on him.

Didn't Goyer said they were going towards that direction, anyway?

[Nave 'Torment']

Yeah but that was reported by Latino Review and so people took it with a grain of salt (apparently). Although I would love to see more of Krypton and see how that world transpires in this new version/step in the Man of Steel's history, I'm also looking at this (sort of hookie) notion that since BATMAN BEGINS was inspired so much on the Epic three-act format of the Dick Donner SUPERMAN movie, this will - by contrast - be inspired by Tim Burton's original BATMAN from 1989. It begins with the Man of Steel already active in Metropolis and the journalists, the mobs, the business moguls and politicians all occupying this world where Superman exists but we know so little about his origins. Back track to his Kryptonian heritage, presumably with the arrival of Brainiac or some other figure and give Lois Lane the role of narrator? That last one might be a bit too much, but some how I see the already-active Superman as a more practical way to tell the story this time around. It also gives us a lot of room to focus on Metropolis and Clark Kent's role as a journalist who is out to find the truth in a Metropolis ruled by the ominous Lex Luthor.

That's the way I keep seeing it. Though no idea how that will foster out.

[GreenKToo]

I hope that this time we get a real Metropolis, something like what was in S:TAS.
Then they can tear it all down when the fight(s) start.:oldrazz:

[Dark Knight]

Zach Snyder’s visuals with Christopher Nolan’s brain= EPIC

Bring it on!

You people saying Chris Nolan is not a great filmmaker or writer have ZERO credibility as far as I'm concerned.

With the Nolans Bros, Goyer, and Snyder involved we may actually get to finally see a kick ass Superman film for once in this lifetime and Superman fanboys still whine and complain? I feel sorry for you.

I for one am excited and pumped that this creative team will be producing this Superman film! It will certainly make up for that underwhelming and dull crap fest Superman Returns, and make up for the crap that was Superman 2, 3, and 4 while we are at it.

[Dark Knight]

I hope that this time we get a real Metropolis, something like what was in S:TAS.
Then they can tear it all down when the fight(s) start.:oldrazz:






Yeah, I expect some visually epic, intense action and fight scenes in this Supes film....without a doubt! :word:

[Octoberist]

Zach Snyder’s visuals with Christopher Nolan’s brain= EPIC

Bring it on!

You people saying Chris Nolan is not a great filmmaker or writer have ZERO credibility as far as I'm concerned.

With the Nolans Bros, Goyer, and Snyder involved we may actually get to finally see a kick ass Superman film for once in this lifetime and Superman fanboys still whine and complain? I feel sorry for you.

I for one am excited and pumped that this creative team will be producing this Superman film! It will certainly make up for that underwhelming and dull crap fest Superman Returns, and make up for the crap that was Superman 2, 3, and 4 while we are at it.

Who's saying that? 1 out of 80 people? It's a small minority!

[Paul-el]

Are there any comics or storylines where these three villains -- Lex, Bizarro, and Brainiac -- are all after Superman, whether it's for their own motives or just to destroy him?

I already read WHTTMOT, but I mean just these three villains specifically vs. Superman.

[Diamondhead]

we had this thread about a twist last time
(and as you know it i rarely go back to threads)

i proposed to make the kents low life alien from krypton disguised as human farmers who raise kal-el as their own
because real humans would nerver be able to keep a secret this big

and i thought !.. hey , this is not a bad idea
just imagine , what if the biggest secret of them all was
kal el adopted earth parents "the kents" was not what they appears to be
and they kept it a secret from clark

a secret that in fact that the kryptonians was a race of bully conquerors who had the so call low life creature served them
and they decided to raise clark as a good base morality earthlig
and made up stories along the way to portray the kryptonian as good benevolant beings
when in fact they deserved to be destroyed.

[Gianakin_]

Nope. I don't like your idea at all, sorry. Maybe the apsect that Kryptonians were in fact a##holes could work in an Elseworlds kind of graphic novel. But nothing else.

[Dark Knight]

Here is more from Cinemablend and Geoff Johns at the NYCC below:



Geoff Johns Promises Zack Snyder's Superman Will Be Punching Something
By Katey Rich Published: 2010-10-08 16:33:48 Today's "Spotlight on Geoff Johns" panel felt to me, at times, like a tent revival where I'd never heard of any of the gods being worshiped. Johns is the head of DC Entertainment and a veteran comic book writer, which means that when the Comic Con crowd gets a hold of him they're just as likely to ask him questions I might understand-- "What is Zack Snyder planning to do with Superman?" or "How about the Flash movie?"-- as bring up obscure DC Comics characters and comic book plots from a decade ago. Luckily Johns is just as well-prepared a geek as anyone, and regaled the audiences with all kind of promises about what they'll do with the Black of Night series or the Green Lantern Corps. At least, I think that's what he promised. LIke I said, comics isn't my language, and I spent a large portion of the panel just trying to keep up.

From time to time, though, a question related to DC Comics movies came up, and Johns masterfully dodged most of them-- what we know about possible Justice League movie plans comes from interpreting a slam against Marvel, and even though everyone knows there's Flash movie in development, his only response to a question about it was "That could be cool." Still, Johns was allowed to talk about the recent hiring of Zack Snyder to direct the next Superman movie; he didn't say much, but here's what he had to offer:


"I don't know if you can ask for much more than Chris Nolan and Zack Snyder. We're really lucky to have them on board. I'm psyched. [Superman will] be punching something."


To put that "punching something" bit in context, the question was couched in terms of Superman Returns being a disappointment, and wanting to see Superman get back to being a man of action rather than crying over his lost love. Johns seems to be confirming what many of us already suspected: they brought on Snyder to pump up the action, and are counting on him to take the character in a more rough-and-tumble direction. Emo Superman, as you probably hoped, seems to most definitely be a thing of the past.

For more of our coverage from New York Comic Con, click here
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[BH/HHH]

The punching comment is to put us at ease, SRs clearly lacked in that department and Warner Brothers know that. I reckon Superman will really tear it up in the new movie.

[Adenjo]

Personall I read "punching" just like a read "jumping the shark".
"Superman punching" = Superman will actually be doing "something" in the next movie.

[GreenKToo]

I can't wait until we start hearing rumors of some casting. I'm expecting to hear some big names since Nolan is attached.

[Project862006]

i am anticipating what Zack will do with a superman opening intro

Watchmen intro was phenomenal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrVZV__w500

[BH/HHH]

I can't wait until we start hearing rumors of some casting. I'm expecting to hear some big names since Nolan is attached.

Yeah same here, its an exciting time to be a Superman fan lets just hope they don't blow it this time.

i am anticipating what Zack will do with a superman opening intro

Watchmen intro was phenomenal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrVZV__w500

Yeah that was a good opening but I hope he uses score and not an actual song on the Superman film.

[Gianakin_]

i am anticipating what Zack will do with a superman opening intro

Watchmen intro was phenomenal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrVZV__w500

I hate it, it's too close to the comics, Snyder stuck to the visuals too much and missed the point of the graphic novel.:o

[MAN O STEEL]

I hate it, it's too close to the comics


You just can't win with some fanboys can you?. They live to hate & the sad thing is they'll sit here & deny they're haters because they don't even realise their doing it. It's coming from a subconscious place that their unaware of.





Steve

[Project862006]

^ did you miss his sarcasm smiley lol

[Gianakin_]

^ did you miss his sarcasm smiley lol

I think he got it and was agreeing with me.

[Blackman]

I would love for them to handle the flying SFX like in Hancock

For those who dont know Will Smith was propelled about 50 miles an hour while hanging 60 feet in the air

[GreenKToo]

My wishlist for the film.

1) Please cast an actor in the role of superman with some actual experience AND one that looks the part. He doesn't have to be a reeve or routh clone, but we need to be able to think ''Superman'' when we see him. If we don't, then its a fail from the get go.

2) Please surround said actor with a brilliant cast. I dont care if the actors were popular 20, 30, or 40 years ago, if people don't know them now it won't matter.

3) Please give us a super suit that we all ( mostly) can get behind, one that doesn't leave room for arguements like ''teh red is brown'', or ''the \S/ is too small''.

4) Clark traveling the world sounds interesting, but once he gets a job at the DP, Please show him actually using his reporting abilities instead of just standing around going ''umm, gee, golly whiz Lois''.

5) You will prolly replace the williams score, that's unstandable, but be warned, thats some mighty big shoes to fill. I don't envy that job.

6) No kid. nuff said.

7) No more bumbling real estate Lex with a wig collection. Lex-Corp Lex all the way and bald with a top notch, well known actor in the role. One that sees his relationship with Supes like a chess game. I want to see the hate in his eyes that he feels toward Superman and believe it.

8) We know Supes will have a villain to fight, that's great, but what we're wanting is not just some stand off in the street with a few punches thrown here and there. what we're wanting is city wide damage and destruction with buildings knocked down, ships used as clubs, you know, the stuff we've yet to see in a superman film.

9) A reference to star labs, cadmus, etc would be nice.

10) Having the kents still be around would be great as well.

11) as was brought to my attention, please get an FX company that can make the CG flying look real. A few scenes in the last film totally took me out of the moment and left me with a ''WTF was that'' feeling.

I fully expect most of this list to be met since nolan is involved, and with snyder on board, we'll get the action. bring it on.

[SatEL]

My wishlist for the film.

1) Please cast an actor in the role of superman with some actual experience AND looks the part. He doesn't have to be a reeve or routh clone, but we need to be able to think ''Superman'' when we see him. If we don't, then its a fail from the get go.

2) Please surround said actor with a brilliant cast. I dont care if the actors were popular 20, 30, or 40 years ago, if people don't know them now it won't matter.

3) Please give us a super suit that we all ( mostly) can get behind, one that doesn't leave room for arguements like ''teh red is brown'', or ''the \S/ is too small''.

4) Clark traveling the world sounds interesting, but once he gets a job at the DP, Please show him actually using his reporting abilities instead of just standing around going ''umm, gee, golly whiz Lois''.

5) You will prolly replace the williams score, that's unstandable, but be warned, thats some mighty big shoes to fill. I don't envy that job.

6) No kid. nuff said.

7) No more bumbling real estate Lex with a wig collection. Lex-Corp Lex all the way and bald with a top notch, well known actor in the role. I want to see the hate in his eyes that he feels toward Superman.

8) We know Supes will have a villain to fight, that's great, but what we're wanting is not just some stand off in the street with a few punches thrown here and there. what we're wanting is city wide damage and destruction with buildings knocked down, ships used as clubs, you know, the stuff we've yet to see in a superman film.

9) A reference to star labs, cadmus, etc would be nice.

10) Having the kents still be around would be great as well.

I fully expect most of this list to be met since nolan is involved, and with snyder on board, we'll get the action. bring it on.


A good company to handle the FX would be great, I want to believe a man can fly and all that ****. And I don’t want heavy romance drivel, we have had enough of that from Returns to last a life time. I don’t mind Superman and Lois flirting lightly in the first movie but none of the love at first sight nonsense.

[GreenKToo]

A good company to handle the FX would be great, I want to believe a man can fly and all that ****. And I don’t want heavy romance drivel, we have had enough of that from Returns to last a life time. I don’t mind Superman and Lois flirting lightly in the first movie but none of the love at first sight nonsense.
Lol, yeah, #11 being added.

[hisdivsha]

:csad: "We are gathered here...upon the site......to pay homage...

SUPERMAN...was _more_...than just a WORLD-saver!

SUPERMAN...was _more_...than a close personal
friend!

SUPERMAN...was a super-hero's...SUPER HERO!

No one else...can _ever_...wear His cape.

He will LIVE...in our hearts!
He will LIVE...in our DREAMS!!

For as long as there is _Justice_ to be won,
And a _star_ shining in the _sky_,
SUPERMAN...will _never_ die!!"

[Project862006]

OMG LOL THE ANTI-SNYDER CAMPAIGN

has begun lol

dx0GW-Np6sA

[LostSon88]

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Has this been posted? Its absolutely FANTASTIC!!

[BH/HHH]

lX6Fa_bVCro

Has this been posted? Its absolutely FANTASTIC!!

Yeah it got posted in the BR thread its awesome

[arman200]

OMG LOL THE ANTI-SNYDER CAMPAIGN

has begun lol

dx0GW-Np6sA

Jeebus Cripes this is ridiculous. The end of comic book movies? :doh:

[GreenKToo]

As long as they have a good director, cast, story, action, and FX, folks will never tire of them.
A good film is a god film, be it a western or CB film.

[Young Superman]

One thing I hope is that if Jonathan and Martha Kent are alve in Zack Snyder's Superman film, is that Clark calls then Pa and Ma like he does in the comics

[RustyCage]

:csad: "We are gathered here...upon the site......to pay homage...

SUPERMAN...was _more_...than just a WORLD-saver!

SUPERMAN...was _more_...than a close personal
friend!

SUPERMAN...was a super-hero's...SUPER HERO!

No one else...can _ever_...wear His cape.

He will LIVE...in our hearts!
He will LIVE...in our DREAMS!!

For as long as there is _Justice_ to be won,
And a _star_ shining in the _sky_,
SUPERMAN...will _never_ die!!"

:lmao:

[Night Owl]

OMG LOL THE ANTI-SNYDER CAMPAIGN

has begun lol

dx0GW-Np6sA

hahhahahahahah what a duche! lol

[Eze]

I got a legal question about the Superman estate.

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~ug02/yeung/actioncomics/images/page1.jpg

Do the heirs only have rights to whats on this page? If more, what else?

[Dark Knight]

Meh. I also notice Marvels weak and predictable attempts and trying to steal DC's thunder by always announcing something right after WB's/DCE does.

There is plenty more Green Lantern stuff coming to get the buzz going actually. The trailer is coming out with the Potter film in November and that will be BIG! WB's and Nolan will also be announcing official casting news regarding The Dark Knight Rises soon enough.

Regarding the Hammer info.

Yes, I will admit, my little birdies have been saying keep an eye on him as a potential Superman for over a month now, if the script calls for a younger Superman that is. We'll see regarding the Hammer thing though. I'm not a big fan of his.

However, he has the height and potential build to get bigger as Superman. To me his facial features look soft though and he is only 24 years of age and still has more to prove in the acting department for me at least. What he did or didn't do in the overrated Social Network means nothing to me really.

However, with that being said if he does wind up being cast, then I will not whine, cry and b***h and say stupid things "like my god....I'm not going to see this film now because of Snyder and Hammer. WB's, Nolan and Snyder suck!"..... like what some of you goofs starting doing when Snyder was named the director and how some of you would say if Hamm or someone older was cast as Superman.

I will be seeing this film regardless of who is cast as Superman, whether I'm in favor of the actor being chosen or not.

I'm more of a fan of the TALENTED CREATIVE FILMMAKING TEAM producing, writing and directing this Superman film on the big screen more than anything else.

Tom Tull, the Nolan Brothers, Emma, Goyer, Deb and Zack Snyder!

[kendo]

OMG LOL THE ANTI-SNYDER CAMPAIGN

has begun lol

dx0GW-Np6sA

This same guy also posted some awesome videos for Watchmen a few years ago. Just awesome.

[Doctor Jones]

Good lord, I presume everyone here has seen the Superman Lives costume? For what it is, it's kind of a cool look, but to be actually used, hell no.

[Wolvieboy17]

"I'm always....around." And with those final words, Superman ascended up into the air, flying away, never to be seen again, never. Especially not in some kind of highly stylised slo-mo featuring reboot with no substance or heart. The end.

[echostation]

Marhamdoo Allah hi hoodim. Let an open discussion commence upon such narry pompidoo, centre pompidoo mon laxon circumflex et laxon egou n'est pas sil te plaitamalayali?

Make sure action in film. Make sure that Superman spends over 175 mill to punch something, not to have son who he fathers and leaves then have Lois save him

I think big thing is.... last time Superman spent over 200 million dollars just to catch Lex's boot.

At least Zack will make him catch boot of super powered villain rather than regular villain

Superman: Tales of the Boot Catcher

[Young Superman]

Do you guys/gals think Superman will be the sole survivor of the planet Krypton in the new Superman film franchise?

[Eros]

Do you guys/gals think Superman will be the sole survivor of the planet Krypton in the new Superman film franchise?

he hasnt been the sole survivior of Krypton since the before the 1950s comics.

[BH/HHH]

Do you guys/gals think Superman will be the sole survivor of the planet Krypton in the new Superman film franchise?

I think so although if the film is a major hit WB's might decide to revisit Supergirl to cash in on the Superman brands success

[Gabe99]

MOVIEWEB EXCLUSIVE: Could Patrick Wilson Be Superman? (http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEEn327oG2CyHE)

Superman Eyeing Joe Manganiello as Clark Kent? (http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEulXxaruIj2xA)

[BH/HHH]

I'd rather have Joe M than Pat Wilson

[GreenKToo]

Singer speaks...and more of the same from wilson.

http://www.moviehole.net/201033250-singer-wilson-on-snyders-superman

[Young Superman]

he hasnt been the sole survivior of Krypton since the before the 1950s comics.

What about from July 1986 Man of Steel #1 too May 2004 Superman/Batman #8?

[Eze]

I'd rather have Joe M than Pat Wilson

If they're gonna cast Joe M, they might as well go full meathead with John Cena.

[Thundercrack85]

Superman being the sole survivor of Krypton is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it does sound a lot more epic, and makes him unique. On the other hand, it means we won't know much about Krypton, since the only Kryptonian left is one raised on Earth with no real knowledge of his past. Getting pretty tired of crystals and holograms.

[Jochimus]

Superman being the sole survivor of Krypton is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, it does sound a lot more epic, and makes him unique. On the other hand, it means we won't know much about Krypton, since the only Kryptonian left is one raised on Earth with no real knowledge of his past.

Eh, if it were handled right, there could always be a play to the mystique factor of what Krypton must have like, the same way that kids are fascinated with dinosaurs and older sorts with medieval times. Bringing in things like the Eradicator or even Brainiac if you wanna stretch it could easily help further Superman's exploration of his roots - there's all sorts of ways to get around the notion that he wouldn't know anything about where he came from. Unlike some, I don't think making Superman the sole survivor automatically removes elements like Supergirl or Krypto or Zod or etc. from the equation, or should, for that matter.

[--Zero-Ethic--]

If they're gonna cast Joe M, they might as well go full meathead with John Cena.

Why label Joe a meat head?
Is it because he's played one a couple of times?
If so, he's an actor man. He acts.

[wake up]

HOW HAS SYNDES BEEN GIVEN SUPERMAN after he soo badly screwed up watchmen??

[--Zero-Ethic--]

HOW HAS SYNDES BEEN GIVEN SUPERMAN after he soo badly screwed up watchmen??

What did you not like about Watchmen?
Not starting an arguement or anything i'm just asking.

[Cousin Itt]

He's probably mad because Snyder stayed mostly true to the comic.

[GreenKToo]

Ratner talks Superman.....

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/11/15/superman-zack-snyder-brett-ratner/

[Timstuff]

HOW HAS SYNDES BEEN GIVEN SUPERMAN after he soo badly screwed up watchmen??

Oh boy, another one of scumonass's drones. :o

[B]

HOW HAS SYNDES BEEN GIVEN SUPERMAN after he soo badly screwed up watchmen??

I didn't care for Watchmen myself.. largely I feel this was because I went into the film having never read the Watchmen comic(s), but from what I've read he stayed very faithfull to the comics.

If he stays close to the comics with Superman it will be an instant hit with at least the Superman fanbase. Sprinkle some Donner/Reeve in there with a pinch of Singer & a dash of Smallville and you'll have a glorious film in the works.

I have every faith Snyder can make Superman work.. I just wish they'd see sense and do an origin story in some capacity, even if its fairly loosely based like Batman Begins to set up a villian who is involved in the origin ie Brainiac, Zod or something Kryptonian related.

[BH/HHH]

Why has the Henry Cavill thread been closed?

[Showtime]

You can talk about him or anybody else in the casting thread.

[Gail]

Why has the Henry Cavill thread been closed?

I was about to ask the same thing. It was a fun thread.

[LostSon88]

HOW HAS SYNDES BEEN GIVEN SUPERMAN after he soo badly screwed up watchmen??

Yes, he adapted the graphic novel almost to the letter...

so, OF COURSE he screwed up.

:whatever:

[BH/HHH]

You can talk about him or anybody else in the casting thread.

Ah thank god, I guess it beats having to sort it out if someone goes on a tangent about either Routh or Cavill in the wrong threads :D

[SKSpawn]

I'd like to see a departure from the Donner films, for once! The ice-land nature of Krypton has a nice aesthetic but it's dated and we've seen it a thousand times, so how about a new, fresh alien landscape and technology/culture?

Goofy Clark is fine but I'd also like to see him have more humanity, believability, and competence. No problems with Lex being involved somehow but I'd rather not see Zod again when there's so many other superpowered foes Superman could fight (Eradicator, Brainiac, etc). Kryptonite should also play some part, like Lex, but maybe not a huge, plot-centric part.

Basically something that draws from The Man of Steel or Birthright rather than Donner or the Golden/Silver Age.

[GreenKToo]

I'd like to see Krypton (if we even see it) be a cross between something like coruscant, dagobah, and tatoonie. You would have mile(s) high skyscrapers along with jungles and desert.
I'd also like to see what kind of animal life would live there.

[hopefuldreamer]

I've probably got a pretty unpopular opinion on some things i'd like to (and not like to see) in the Superman movies. But here they are:

Things I really want:

-Lex as a charismatic and well liked businessman (but a heartless vindictive power hugry evil man underneath)
-Intergang (Bruno Mannheim at the front)
-A secondary villain for fight scenes, like Metallo or Parasite (which also leaves room for a much bigger villain to take the spotlight of a sequel ala Joker in TDK).
-A Lois and Clark dynamic were they are partners and respect each other.

Things I'd like to avoid:

-I'd be happy to leave out the Fortress and Jor-el all together (I don't mind including past scenes from krypton if their handled in the right way, but the more they focus on his kryptonian side, the less I feel an audience can connect to him as a tangible and believable and likeable character.
-Totally avoid the word 'Savior' and i'd say your on the right track.
-No more bumbling Clark. It makes the whole disguise LESS believable for me. A guy who is constantly making a scene with his bumbling and his OTT old fashionedness, would raise my suspicions a bit TBH. Besides it's just annoying.

[El Payaso]

Yes, he adapted the graphic novel almost to the letter...

so, OF COURSE he screwed up.

:whatever:

How is adapting a graphic novel almost to the letter a guarrantee of not screwing it up?

[jesusmagicka]

I've probably got a pretty unpopular opinion on some things i'd like to (and not like to see) in the Superman movies. But here they are:

Things I really want:

-Lex as a charismatic and well liked businessman (but a heartless vindictive power hugry evil man underneath)
-Intergang (Bruno Mannheim at the front)
-A secondary villain for fight scenes, like Metallo or Parasite (which also leaves room for a much bigger villain to take the spotlight of a sequel ala Joker in TDK).
-A Lois and Clark dynamic were they are partners and respect each other.

Things I'd like to avoid:

-I'd be happy to leave out the Fortress and Jor-el all together (I don't mind including past scenes from krypton if their handled in the right way, but the more they focus on his kryptonian side, the less I feel an audience can connect to him as a tangible and believable and likeable character.
-Totally avoid the word 'Savior' and i'd say your on the right track.
-No more bumbling Clark. It makes the whole disguise LESS believable for me. A guy who is constantly making a scene with his bumbling and his OTT old fashionedness, would raise my suspicions a bit TBH. Besides it's just annoying.

tru all dat, *****. tired of this donner crap.

[nobycane]

http://www.moviehole.net/201033879-quick-news-november-23-2010

Moviehole is reporting some interesting plot / casting news on the new SM film,
"An early synopsis for Zack Snyder’s “Superman Returns” has been revealed. Says Hollywood Insider, “Man of Steel will be set in Smallville, Metropolis.. and West Africa. Though the film will feature the ‘red/blue blur’, Clark Kent will be the central focus of the story.
In the Christopher Nolan produced reboot, Kent’s “a young journalist, traveling for the globe, who would rather solve problems and help people without resorting to using his special powers.”
A character breakdown issued to casting agencies this week says that the plot involves Clark getting involved in some sort of battle between two tribes in West Africa.
“When he is compelled to use his secret powers to intervene in a crisis in West Africa, Clark returns to Smallville to learn more about his origins and the hero he was born to be”.” "

I would say take it with a grain of salt - it seems like its to similar to Smallville's story line - IMO.

[JamalYIgle]

http://www.moviehole.net/201033879-quick-news-november-23-2010

Moviehole is reporting some interesting plot / casting news on the new SM film,
"An early synopsis for Zack Snyder’s “Superman Returns” has been revealed. Says Hollywood Insider, “Man of Steel will be set in Smallville, Metropolis.. and West Africa. Though the film will feature the ‘red/blue blur’, Clark Kent will be the central focus of the story.
In the Christopher Nolan produced reboot, Kent’s “a young journalist, traveling for the globe, who would rather solve problems and help people without resorting to using his special powers.”
A character breakdown issued to casting agencies this week says that the plot involves Clark getting involved in some sort of battle between two tribes in West Africa.
“When he is compelled to use his secret powers to intervene in a crisis in West Africa, Clark returns to Smallville to learn more about his origins and the hero he was born to be”.” "

I would say take it with a grain of salt - it seems like its to similar to Smallville's story line - IMO.

It's not smallville. It's the plot for Superman:Birthright.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Further proof that Zack Snyder has been ****ing with people regarding his (contradictory) quotes.

[Octoberist]

That 'synopsis' came from that casting call from Featured Film Auditions, another unreliable source. They also have the 'synopsis' for Spider-Man 3D, which mentions Mary Jane.

[chamber-music]

I've probably got a pretty unpopular opinion on some things i'd like to (and not like to see) in the Superman movies. But here they are:

Things I really want:

-Lex as a charismatic and well liked businessman (but a heartless vindictive power hugry evil man underneath)
-Intergang (Bruno Mannheim at the front)
-A secondary villain for fight scenes, like Metallo or Parasite (which also leaves room for a much bigger villain to take the spotlight of a sequel ala Joker in TDK).
-A Lois and Clark dynamic were they are partners and respect each other.

Things I'd like to avoid:

-I'd be happy to leave out the Fortress and Jor-el all together (I don't mind including past scenes from krypton if their handled in the right way, but the more they focus on his kryptonian side, the less I feel an audience can connect to him as a tangible and believable and likeable character.
-Totally avoid the word 'Savior' and i'd say your on the right track.
-No more bumbling Clark. It makes the whole disguise LESS believable for me. A guy who is constantly making a scene with his bumbling and his OTT old fashionedness, would raise my suspicions a bit TBH. Besides it's just annoying.
I agree with everything you said. I don't think your ideas of a Superman film are as unpopular as you think.

Most of all I just want to see superman challenged physically, morally and emotionally in a Superman movie.

[raybia]

I've probably got a pretty unpopular opinion on some things i'd like to (and not like to see) in the Superman movies. But here they are:

Things I really want:

-Lex as a charismatic and well liked businessman (but a heartless vindictive power hugry evil man underneath)
-Intergang (Bruno Mannheim at the front)
-A secondary villain for fight scenes, like Metallo or Parasite (which also leaves room for a much bigger villain to take the spotlight of a sequel ala Joker in TDK).
-A Lois and Clark dynamic were they are partners and respect each other.

Things I'd like to avoid:

-I'd be happy to leave out the Fortress and Jor-el all together (I don't mind including past scenes from krypton if their handled in the right way, but the more they focus on his kryptonian side, the less I feel an audience can connect to him as a tangible and believable and likeable character.
-Totally avoid the word 'Savior' and i'd say your on the right track.
-No more bumbling Clark. It makes the whole disguise LESS believable for me. A guy who is constantly making a scene with his bumbling and his OTT old fashionedness, would raise my suspicions a bit TBH. Besides it's just annoying.

Sounds great. I would also like a Clark Kent who knows very little about his Kryptonian heritage and finds out piecemeal rather than all at once like in the original movie.

[Hush]

I do not really want that Birthright inspired story because honestly I know who the **** Superman is do i need to see him in west africa? NO! Just give us Superman VS Darkseid, Brainiac, Parasite, LOBO or ANYONE else. Write the story around this give it that good vs bad tale.

[ross2287]

http://www.moviehole.net/201033879-quick-news-november-23-2010

Moviehole is reporting some interesting plot / casting news on the new SM film,
"An early synopsis for Zack Snyder’s “Superman Returns” has been revealed. Says Hollywood Insider, “Man of Steel will be set in Smallville, Metropolis.. and West Africa. Though the film will feature the ‘red/blue blur’, Clark Kent will be the central focus of the story.
In the Christopher Nolan produced reboot, Kent’s “a young journalist, traveling for the globe, who would rather solve problems and help people without resorting to using his special powers.”
A character breakdown issued to casting agencies this week says that the plot involves Clark getting involved in some sort of battle between two tribes in West Africa.
“When he is compelled to use his secret powers to intervene in a crisis in West Africa, Clark returns to Smallville to learn more about his origins and the hero he was born to be”.” "

I would say take it with a grain of salt - it seems like its to similar to Smallville's story line - IMO.

I don't think I'd like to see an entire movie devoted to this plot. Maybe an episode of STAM but not an entire movie.

[SuperDaniel]

I love the synopsis!! :up: And I doubt we won't get a supervillain in there too...

[Lighthouse]

I'm kind of laughing at people jumping to conclusions on this news, even on the bigger news sites. Do people really believe the plot of the next Superman movie will revolve around two waring African tribes? Really? It was a very small plot point in Birthright, and if this news is real or if it'll even end up in the movie(two really big ifs) then I'm sure it'll be the same thing.

[gillberg2k1]

This reminds me of when word got out that Bruce Wayne turns to a life of crime before becoming Batman in BB (People were furious, as if it were some huge plot point)... However, once they saw the film and the context of the situation, the issue magically disappeared.

My advice is to not jump to any conclusions before more info comes out.

[Doctor Jones]

That should be the slogan for the Hype.

[mastermindjcg]

I'm just hoping that, whatever happens to this picture, better or worse, that they leave out the origin story entirely cause', frankly, I'm a little sick of it at this point. When you look back at the last ten years, of all the comic book characters and their genesis tales, Superman's has been rehashed and recycled more times than any other. Smallville, Birthright, Superman for All Seasons, Secret Origins, Earth One, there's a few others that I'm blanking on, at the moment, but I really see no reason for Warner Brothers to spend another 200 million to go back to square one just because they're too lazy to put some time and effort into writing something new. At this point, doing another reboot or re-imagining of the Superman origin tale has become the comic book equivalent of going for the "d***" joke.

-so sayeth the mastermind-

[Wolvieboy17]

Well thats fair enough for a comic fan like you, but you have to remember, to the general audience, it hasn't been told THAT many times, and depending on how they reboot the whole character, it may be necessary. I'm not against the idea of it.

I was with Batman Begins, but when I saw how important that all was to the development of the character, I changed my mind completely.

[The Caped Knight]

Superman: Man Of Steel would be set in West Africa, with Clark Kent being the central focus of the movie.


Clark - who has yet to be cast - "is a young journalist, travelling for The Globe, who would rather solve problems and help people without resorting to using his special powers," reported the site.
"When he is compelled to use his secret powers to intervene in a crisis in West Africa, Clark returns to Smallville to learn more about his origins and the hero he was born to be."
Superman: Man Of Steel - Anne Hathaway rumoured for Lois Lane role (http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBkQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.belfasttelegraph.co.uk%2Fente rtainment%2Ffilm-tv%2Fnews%2Fsuperman-man-of-steel-anne-hathaway-rumoured-for-lois-lane-role-15012672.html&ei=qcfuTMr-MYGCngflwYWRCw&usg=AFQjCNFylCQR4h7hqB35VY5s3t7PhYuN_A&sig2=g7dn7_EAmqb97nIoBQ7hdQ)





It seems that Superman Birthright is going to be a major influence on this reboot story . I'm hoping that if that is the case that Zack Snyder also incorporates many aspects from the 1986 John Byrne miniseries "Man Of Steel" as well .

[mastermindjcg]

Well thats fair enough for a comic fan like you, but you have to remember, to the general audience, it hasn't been told THAT many times, and depending on how they reboot the whole character, it may be necessary. I'm not against the idea of it.

I was with Batman Begins, but when I saw how important that all was to the development of the character, I changed my mind completely.


Perhaps, if I knew that they could get Geoff Johns on script duty for this film, I'd feeler a lot easier about all this.

-so sayeth the mastermind-

[The Watchman]

Geoff Johns is far too beholden to the Donnerverse. I want something new, something more sci-fi, something more Birthright meets Allstar Superman.

[The Caped Knight]

I'd like a combination of Man Of Steel, Birthright and Secret Origin in this new revamp. But NO EARTH ONE .

The creation of the suit IMO was best presented in MAN OF STEEL #1

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg22.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg22.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg23.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg23.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg24.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg24.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg25.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg25.jpg)

[Wolvieboy17]

I'd love them to take the Doctor Who approach to the character, last member alive of his race, pushing himself relentlessly and tirelessly to protect earth but filled with inner rage and turmoil, that he rarely shows but you see glimpses of it. Any Who fans know what i'm talking about.

[jesusmagicka]

I'd like a combination of Man Of Steel, Birthright and Secret Origin in this new revamp. But NO EARTH ONE .

The creation of the suit IMO was best presented in MAN OF STEEL #1

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg22.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg22.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg23.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg23.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg24.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg24.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg25.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg25.jpg)

that was one of the cheesiest, goofiest things i've ever read. :wow::doh::whatever:

[BH/HHH]

that was one of the cheesiest, goofiest things i've ever read. :wow::doh::whatever:

It was written in the late 80s

[The Caped Knight]

that was one of the cheesiest, goofiest things i've ever read. :wow::doh::whatever:

You prefer Birthright explanation about the reason behind the Glasses ?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_19.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/19.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_20.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/20.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_21.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/21.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_22.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/22.jpg)

[DarKJediKnight]

You prefer Birthright explanation about the reason behind the Glasses ?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_19.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/19.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_20.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/20.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_21.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/21.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_22.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/22.jpg)

If they're gonna put in the "one actor playing twins" line in the script for the new SM film then they should directly reference "The Prestige". :woot:

[jesusmagicka]

You prefer Birthright explanation about the reason behind the Glasses ?

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_19.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/19.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_20.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/20.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_21.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/21.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_22.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/22.jpg)

Yeah.

[jesusmagicka]

If they're gonna put in the "one actor playing twins" line in the script for the new SM film then they should directly reference "The Prestige". :woot:

Why? He was under heavy make up the whole time.

[Keyser Soze]

http://www.moviehole.net/201033879-quick-news-november-23-2010

Moviehole is reporting some interesting plot / casting news on the new SM film,
"An early synopsis for Zack Snyder’s “Superman Returns” has been revealed. Says Hollywood Insider, “Man of Steel will be set in Smallville, Metropolis.. and West Africa. Though the film will feature the ‘red/blue blur’, Clark Kent will be the central focus of the story.
In the Christopher Nolan produced reboot, Kent’s “a young journalist, traveling for the globe, who would rather solve problems and help people without resorting to using his special powers.”
A character breakdown issued to casting agencies this week says that the plot involves Clark getting involved in some sort of battle between two tribes in West Africa.
“When he is compelled to use his secret powers to intervene in a crisis in West Africa, Clark returns to Smallville to learn more about his origins and the hero he was born to be”.” "

I would say take it with a grain of salt - it seems like its to similar to Smallville's story line - IMO.

Of course, any news at this stage must be taken with a grain - if not a pound - of salt. But if this synopsis is indeed accurate, I quite like it as the basis for a story.

The people complaining about how a Superman movie dominated by two warring African tribes sucks because there's no villain, etc etc, need to remember that this synopsis - if true - is likely all first act. It's like us finding out Batman Begins was about Bruce Wayne travelling the world to find himself. That was the set-up of the movie, but from there it went on a different path and we got to see Batman fighting villains from his rogues' gallery. I'm sure the same applies here.

What I like about the premise is that it's a very calculated attempt on the part of Goyer, Nolan and Warner Bros to look at what worked so incredibly well for them in Batman Begins, and apply it to Superman. So we get an increased focus on Clark Kent as a character, making him and his character arc the central focus of the story before we get round to putting him in he costume and having him smash bad guys. That stuff will come - but by laying the foundations of a nuanced, well-performed character we can care about, it will give all the spectacle a heart at its core, much like it has with Nolan's Batman franchise.

[Doctor Jones]

Sounds like a fine idea to me. And yeah, I do think the Africa stuff will be the first act.

[BH/HHH]

Sounds like a fine idea to me. And yeah, I do think the Africa stuff will be the first act.

Definitely on both points :up:

[raybia]

I've never read birthright but I love when these movies are based or at least influenced by comic book stories.

[BH/HHH]

I've never read birthright but I love when these movies are based or at least influenced by comic book stories.

I'd recommend it very highly in my opinion its the best telling of Superman's origin

[Wolvieboy17]

I think even better when it's a specific storyline, it tends to show that the director has a clearer vision for the film. Like Demon in a Bottle in Iron man 2, or the lame mixed bag that was X-Men 3, with phoenix and the Astonishing X-Men 'cure' story line, that didn't need to be put together at all.

[Dark Knight]

Sounds like a fine idea to me. And yeah, I do think the Africa stuff will be the first act.






Definitely should be the first act.

I hope we see this film be influenced by Birthright, Man Of Steel, For All Seasons, and Johns' Braniac story arc from a couple of years back.

[GreenKToo]

Anybody saw this? why ben affleck turned it down.
http://www.moviehole.net/201034023-affleck-why-i-turned-down-superman

[gillberg2k1]

Of course, any news at this stage must be taken with a grain - if not a pound - of salt. But if this synopsis is indeed accurate, I quite like it as the basis for a story.

The people complaining about how a Superman movie dominated by two warring African tribes sucks because there's no villain, etc etc, need to remember that this synopsis - if true - is likely all first act. It's like us finding out Batman Begins was about Bruce Wayne travelling the world to find himself. That was the set-up of the movie, but from there it went on a different path and we got to see Batman fighting villains from his rogues' gallery. I'm sure the same applies here.

What I like about the premise is that it's a very calculated attempt on the part of Goyer, Nolan and Warner Bros to look at what worked so incredibly well for them in Batman Begins, and apply it to Superman. So we get an increased focus on Clark Kent as a character, making him and his character arc the central focus of the story before we get round to putting him in he costume and having him smash bad guys. That stuff will come - but by laying the foundations of a nuanced, well-performed character we can care about, it will give all the spectacle a heart at its core, much like it has with Nolan's Batman franchise.

:up:

[solidsnake86]

Of course, any news at this stage must be taken with a grain - if not a pound - of salt. But if this synopsis is indeed accurate, I quite like it as the basis for a story.

The people complaining about how a Superman movie dominated by two warring African tribes sucks because there's no villain, etc etc, need to remember that this synopsis - if true - is likely all first act. It's like us finding out Batman Begins was about Bruce Wayne travelling the world to find himself. That was the set-up of the movie, but from there it went on a different path and we got to see Batman fighting villains from his rogues' gallery. I'm sure the same applies here.

What I like about the premise is that it's a very calculated attempt on the part of Goyer, Nolan and Warner Bros to look at what worked so incredibly well for them in Batman Begins, and apply it to Superman. So we get an increased focus on Clark Kent as a character, making him and his character arc the central focus of the story before we get round to putting him in he costume and having him smash bad guys. That stuff will come - but by laying the foundations of a nuanced, well-performed character we can care about, it will give all the spectacle a heart at its core, much like it has with Nolan's Batman franchise.

Completely agree and its something I've have been saying for a while. If you want the audience to connect with this movie you're going to have to make clark a character the audience cares for. I would be perfectly fine with a begins style movie for superman and would go as far as to say it would resonate more with the audience then just throwing in superman punching someone in the first 5 minutes. They managed to make bruce wayne, a billionaire that basically no one can relate to, relatable. Its more then possible with clark, just think they managed to get 10 seasons out of smallville with him.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Don't think anyone should have a problem with the proposed opening B-plot about assassination attempts and African tribes. Sounds like a way to add a "international" flavor to the Superman franchise, which could help with the foreign box-office.

[BH/HHH]

Don't think anyone should have a problem with the proposed opening B-plot about assassination attempts and African tribes. Sounds like a way to add a "international" flavor to the Superman franchise, which could help with the foreign box-office.

:up:

[solidsnake86]

The thing is though that synopsis is taken straight from birthright, so who knows if thats actually the direction they've gone in. What I'm hoping they do is what they did with batman, take elements from various stories and create there own. Obviously though this script is under lock and key so its too bad it will be a while before we hear of what its actually about.

[batsfan81]

I was reading Birthright earlier and it seems like it would make for a cool movie.

[The Watchman]

Honestly, it would.

For that matter Secret Identity would make a great movie as well if they decided to go a self-referential route, or adapted it in a way that put it in continuity.

[The Watchman]

Board be broken yo.

[Zorex]

I was reading Birthright earlier and it seems like it would make for a cool movie.
I just re-read Birthright during my Thanksgiving travel, and, again, I was reminded how much I appreciate it, and how much of it, I think, would make great material for a movie.

[BH/HHH]

I was reading Birthright earlier and it seems like it would make for a cool movie.

Deinitely, its superb

[djkris]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/111461-hans-zimmer-to-score-superman

And she made it clear that in the case of "Superman," Nolan and David Goyer just had an idea they couldn't believe wasn't being explored by Warner Bros. And with Zack Snyder now on board as director, Nolan will be busy making "The Dark Knight Rises" and "we are handing it off to him." So, take note anyone out there thinking this will be a strange Nolan/Snyder partnership. Thomas reiterated that they brought it to an appropriate screenplay and it's now Snyder's picture.

I wonder what could it be? Is it a radical idea? Is it an original one? Maybe a re-imagining of the whole Superman mythos?

[Dark Knight]

Anybody saw this? why ben affleck turned it down.
http://www.moviehole.net/201034023-affleck-why-i-turned-down-superman






He basically admitted he didn't have enough confidence in himself working with a big time special effects budgeted film.

[raybia]

He basically admitted he didn't have enough confidence in himself working with a big time special effects budgeted film.

I respect him for that. There are others who should take a cue from him.

[Dark Knight]

I just re-read Birthright during my Thanksgiving travel, and, again, I was reminded how much I appreciate it, and how much of it, I think, would make great material for a movie.





Most of it would.....definitely not all of it though.

[raybia]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/111461-hans-zimmer-to-score-superman



I wonder what could it be? Is it a radical idea? Is it an original one? Maybe a re-imagining of the whole Superman mythos?

No, it was having Superman actually fight someone. Imagine a Rocky movie without him actually fighting. Boringggg!!!!!!!!!!

[Dark Knight]

I respect him for that. There are others who should take a cue from him.





Agreed!

At least Affleck realized he was not ready for a Supes film yet.

[raybia]

Agreed!

At least Affleck realized he was not ready for a Supes film yet.

Either that or maybe that just isn't his niche. Scorsese for example would not necessarily knock Superman out of the park even though he is one of the best of all time.

[conan69]

Nolan has dropped out of helping develop Superman, so he can concentrate on the next Batman film.

Thats good news for Batman3.

[raybia]

Nolan has dropped out of helping develop Superman, so he can concentrate on the next Batman film.

Thats good news for Batman3.

Really what more would there be for Nolan to do...without stepping on Snyder's toes?

[The Caped Knight]

I'm hoping that Lois and Clark/Superman first encounter is similar to MAN OF STEEL # 1

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg18.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg18.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg19.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg19.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg20.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg20.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg21.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg21.jpg)

[Gianakin_]

Not a bad 1st appearance at all. Bonus points for doing it without the suit.

[The Watchman]

They did the plane thing in SR, not that it wasn't cool, but being a reboot seems like re-treading old ground, no helicopters either!

[raybia]

I'm hoping that Lois and Clark/Superman first encounter is similar to MAN OF STEEL # 1

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg18.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg18.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg19.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg19.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg20.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg20.jpg) http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/th_manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg21.jpg (http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/amor_art/Superman/manofsteel1bestbuyexclusivepg21.jpg)

That would be very redundant after S:M and SR. Cool but redundant.

[BrlntDsgse]

That would be very redundant after S:M and SR. Cool but redundant.

Yeah, it's a real shame that the SR version of that "Man Of Steel" scene was wasted in an otherwise underwhelming movie, as it really would've been a perfect "first public appearance of Superman" scene in an origin movie. Especially the touch of him bringing the plane down in the middle of a crowded baseball stadium, SO visually iconic and touching on an integral part of Americana. But they'll need to come up with something else for the new flick to avoid looking like a retread.

[DoomGeneration]

I'd love them to take the Doctor Who approach to the character, last member alive of his race, pushing himself relentlessly and tirelessly to protect earth but filled with inner rage and turmoil, that he rarely shows but you see glimpses of it. Any Who fans know what i'm talking about.

rage and turmoil over what though. superman doesn't have the guilt of being forced into committing genocide on his own people. there are aspects of the alien who looks human protecting the earth, and a strong moral core that are similar, but the characters are very different imho.

[GreenKToo]

Yeah, it's a real shame that the SR version of that "Man Of Steel" scene was wasted in an otherwise underwhelming movie, as it really would've been a perfect "first public appearance of Superman" scene in an origin movie. Especially the touch of him bringing the plane down in the middle of a crowded baseball stadium, SO visually iconic and touching on an integral part of Americana. But they'll need to come up with something else for the new flick to avoid looking like a retread.
He could save a massive sinking cruise ship and park it on the wharfs in metropolis harbor for all to see.

Hundreds of ambulances, police, firemen, and reporters would be waiting on the docks for the returning rescue ships to bring in the injured from the disaster. They expect hundreds if not thousands of injuries and dead. What they get instead is the entire cruise ship, all 1,200 feet of it, come flying in over metropolis harbor, dwarfing nearby skyscrapers.

People point with their mouths open, some run in fear, others, like Lois and Jimmy are fascinated by the scene and hold their ground, all the while recording the action with their cameras.
The massive ship covers all of the docks in shadow.

A booming voice is heard from just below the ship asking for folks to make room. It's loud, commanding. They look up for the source and see a tiny figure underneath the ship, apparently holding it up........

MOVE!! he says again even louder.

Folks scramble, tires screech all around as rescue vehicles are moved out of the way. The pilots of the News helicopters flying overhead even hear it the second time and they make way as well.

Satisfied that everyone is out of the way, the man starts lowering the massive ship ever so slowly. It's so big it wont fit on the docks, so each end rests on some abandoned warehouses, crushing them flat.

Utter Silence......Dust fills the air. As it slowly settles, the rescue personnel and reporters come out of hiding....what they see stuns them. There by the ship is a man dressed in blue with a flowing red cape. He is dusting himself off while he hovers....folks look at each other, then the man...somebody claps, then another..before long everyone is cheering. Police, firemen, EMT's, all. The man blushes and waves, humbled that these people out of all people would cheer him.
Lois and Jimmy record the whole thing, as do dozens of other reporters. It's carried live around the world.

[Showtime]

He could save a massive sinking cruise ship and park it on the wharfs in metropolis harbor for all to see.

Hundreds of ambulances, police, firemen, and reporters would be waiting on the docks for the returning rescue ships to bring in the injured from the disaster. They expect hundreds if not thousands of injuries and dead. What they get instead is the entire cruise ship, the one that was supposedly sinking out at sea, come flying in over metropolis harbor, dwarfing nearby skyscrapers.
People point, some run in fear, others, like Lois and Jimmy, are fascinated and hold their ground while recording the scene with their cameras. The massive ship covers all of the docks in shadow.
A booming voice is heard from below the ship saying to make room. It's loud, commanding. They look up and see a tiny figure underneath the ship, holding it up........
MOVE!! he says again.
Folks scramble, tires screech all around as rescue vehicles move out of the way. The pilots of the News copters hovering nearby even hear it the second time and they make room as well.
The massive ship starts to lower, ever so slowly. It's so big it wont fit on the docks, so each end rests on some abandoned warehouses, crushing them flat.

Utter Silence......Dust fills the air. As it slowly settles the rescue personnel and reporters come out of hiding....what they see stuns them. There by the ship is a man dressed in blue with a flowing red cape, He is dusting himself off while he hovers....folks look at each other, then the man...somebody claps, then another..before long everyone is cheering. Police, firemen, EMT's, all. The man blushes and waves, humbled that these people out of all people would cheer him.
Lois and Jimmy record the whole thing, as do dozens of other reporters. It's carried live around the world.

Funny you mention that. I wrote a script that featured almost exactly a scene like that, although it wasn't his "first save".

[GreenKToo]

lol..just goes to show you what most of us seem to want in a superman film.

[NotFadeAway]

I keep reading about this "twist" that Nolan and Goyer put on the Superman story in their script. I'm going to take a wild f-ing guess and say that their twist will be........

"Kal-El is sent to Earth to conquer and/or destroy the human race and re-establish the Kryptonian culture. By chance, the Kents find baby Ka-El and raise him, and through the love they show him and then his following travels around the globe as a journalist that Kal-El takes AFTER discovering the reason he is on Earth, nurture defeats nature and Clark Kent's becomes the ultimate defender of humanity. But Krypton had to have a back up plan, or some kind of entity or group poised for invasion and teaming with what was supposed to be a sleeper terrorist of sorts."

And I think this would be a kick ass idea. It's one that I've toyed with in my head. I've suggested it on here before but to a chorus of boo's. Which I understand. It would be a dramatic departure. Too be honest, I have Smallville to thank for the idea. When the introduced the notion of conquerer Kal-El in season two, for a moment I hated it. Granted, I realized they were just trying to throw off the audience. But then I thought about it, and I was like DAMN, that would be a ballsy and original move as far as this individual story is conerned. I hoped that they would go with it because it would make Smallville it's very own story. Not dependent on other Superman media. Sure, they could borrow here and there, but that would make it original. Sadly, the Producer's didn't have said balls.

I implore you all though, if the twist is along those lines, give it a shot. As long as the character is the same at the core, give it a shot. I don't want changes along the lines of Kryptonian Lex Luthor, suit in a can, impregnated Lois Lane giving birth to a new Superman, etc. But Superman being sent to conquer, only to be won over by the human race, thats a story I'll pay to see.

By the way, The Eradicator would be the perfect villian for that story. Just saying.

[steintym]

I wouldn't mind that twist for a new movie, especially if they're going full reboot/origin story again. Definitely interesting if nothing else.

[LostSon88]

Nolan has dropped out of helping develop Superman, so he can concentrate on the next Batman film.

Thats good news for Batman3.

He didn't "drop out"...he and David Goyer laid the groundwork for the new movie and is leaving it to Zach Snyder to do what he wants with it.

With Batman 3 on the horizon, that was probably his intention all along because as has been mentioned numerous times, he's the kind of director who likes to focus on one project at a time.

Nolan gave him a starting off point, its up to him now.

[LostSon88]

Nolan has dropped out of helping develop Superman, so he can concentrate on the next Batman film.

Thats good news for Batman3.

He didn't "drop out"...he and David Goyer laid the groundwork for the new movie and is leaving it to Zach Snyder to do what he wants with it.

With Batman 3 on the horizon, that was probably his intention all along because as has been mentioned numerous times, he's the kind of director who likes to focus on one project at a time.

Nolan gave him a starting off point, its up to him now.

[DarKJediKnight]

I keep reading about this "twist" that Nolan and Goyer put on the Superman story in their script. I'm going to take a wild f-ing guess and say that their twist will be........

"Kal-El is sent to Earth to conquer and/or destroy the human race and re-establish the Kryptonian culture. By chance, the Kents find baby Ka-El and raise him, and through the love they show him and then his following travels around the globe as a journalist that Kal-El takes AFTER discovering the reason he is on Earth, nurture defeats nature and Clark Kent's becomes the ultimate defender of humanity. But Krypton had to have a back up plan, or some kind of entity or group poised for invasion and teaming with what was supposed to be a sleeper terrorist of sorts."

And I think this would be a kick ass idea. It's one that I've toyed with in my head. I've suggested it on here before but to a chorus of boo's. Which I understand. It would be a dramatic departure. Too be honest, I have Smallville to thank for the idea. When the introduced the notion of conquerer Kal-El in season two, for a moment I hated it. Granted, I realized they were just trying to throw off the audience. But then I thought about it, and I was like DAMN, that would be a ballsy and original move as far as this individual story is conerned. I hoped that they would go with it because it would make Smallville it's very own story. Not dependent on other Superman media. Sure, they could borrow here and there, but that would make it original. Sadly, the Producer's didn't have said balls.

I implore you all though, if the twist is along those lines, give it a shot. As long as the character is the same at the core, give it a shot. I don't want changes along the lines of Kryptonian Lex Luthor, suit in a can, impregnated Lois Lane giving birth to a new Superman, etc. But Superman being sent to conquer, only to be won over by the human race, thats a story I'll pay to see.

By the way, The Eradicator would be the perfect villian for that story. Just saying.

http://www.spiritsurfers.net/monastery/wp-content/uploads/what_a_twist.jpg
http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/zerosignal/roflbot-whatatwist.jpg

[GreenKToo]

Although it's been said, many times many ways...thank God we dodged this..
test footage from superman lives.

http://www.moviehole.net/201034667-test-footage-from-superman-lives

[steintym]

What the .... ?!?!

Damn glad that never happened.

[gkokujin]

what the fugg man?!?

that hideous.

[Dark Knight]

Very important for you fanboys to read what was written on the front page of the Hype.

David Goyer AND Jonathan Nolan wrote the script!

That should shut some of you people up who were whining and crying about David Goyer being the only one who wrote the script. :oldrazz:

[GreenKToo]

Very important for you fanboys to read what was written on the front page of the Hype.

David Goyer AND Jonathan Nolan wrote the script!

That should shut some of you people up who were whining and crying about David Goyer being the only one who wrote the script. :oldrazz:
Snyder will prolly have a go at the parts he doesn't like as well, (If they are any that is.)

[Superman2007]

I keep reading about this "twist" that Nolan and Goyer put on the Superman story in their script. I'm going to take a wild f-ing guess and say that their twist will be........

"Kal-El is sent to Earth to conquer and/or destroy the human race and re-establish the Kryptonian culture. By chance, the Kents find baby Ka-El and raise him, and through the love they show him and then his following travels around the globe as a journalist that Kal-El takes AFTER discovering the reason he is on Earth, nurture defeats nature and Clark Kent's becomes the ultimate defender of humanity. But Krypton had to have a back up plan, or some kind of entity or group poised for invasion and teaming with what was supposed to be a sleeper terrorist of sorts."

And I think this would be a kick ass idea. It's one that I've toyed with in my head. I've suggested it on here before but to a chorus of boo's. Which I understand. It would be a dramatic departure. Too be honest, I have Smallville to thank for the idea. When the introduced the notion of conquerer Kal-El in season two, for a moment I hated it. Granted, I realized they were just trying to throw off the audience. But then I thought about it, and I was like DAMN, that would be a ballsy and original move as far as this individual story is conerned. I hoped that they would go with it because it would make Smallville it's very own story. Not dependent on other Superman media. Sure, they could borrow here and there, but that would make it original. Sadly, the Producer's didn't have said balls.

I implore you all though, if the twist is along those lines, give it a shot. As long as the character is the same at the core, give it a shot. I don't want changes along the lines of Kryptonian Lex Luthor, suit in a can, impregnated Lois Lane giving birth to a new Superman, etc. But Superman being sent to conquer, only to be won over by the human race, thats a story I'll pay to see.

By the way, The Eradicator would be the perfect villian for that story. Just saying.

Possibly...doesn't seem like a radical twist. But it would allow them to alter things enough so that they don't have to pay the Siegel & Shuster estate for certain plot points. I remember Smallville touching on this, aswell. So it doesn't seem all that fresh as a concept to me.

[elgaz]

I had thoughts a while back about what kind of 'twist' could really turn the Superman saga on it's head. Superman being sent to Earth to conquer it rather than destroy it doesn't really blow me away - it's been hinted at enough times in various Superman stories (e.g. Zod questioning Kal-El why he fights for the humans when he could rule them, the Smallville version of Jor-El being written in earlier seasons as moulding a Clark who would rule Earth, etc). We need something almost controversial.

(And by that I don't mean a Singer-style love child!!!)

My idea was that - what if Superman wasn't blasted off into space alone as a baby. What if he had a brother?

A twin? Or slightly older, slightly younger?......... whatever. This brother may even have been sent to a different planet in a different ship in order to raise the chances of at least one of them surviving.

And years later, he somehow finds out about Kal-El/Earth and comes looking for him. Only this brother wasn't brought up with the same values as Kal-El, and he sees humans as nothing more than ants.

Superman vs his equally powered brother - that could really showcase some amazing superfights on screen, not to mention the emotional impact and drama of Superman discovering he has living sibling, but one who may threaten the very ideals he protects.

[KrypJonian]

Stuff like Superman "being sent to conquer Earth" seems totally unnecessary to me... I don't feel like there's anything wrong with Superman being given a last chance at life by loving parents on a doomed planet...

I don't see how radically changing his origin to that of a would be conquerer would serve the story at all besides giving him a worse guilt complex... Which he already had from being the last survivor...

[jesusmagicka]

That's called Dragonball Z.

[RachelDawes]

Although it's been said, many times many ways...thank God we dodged this..
test footage from superman lives.

http://www.moviehole.net/201034667-test-footage-from-superman-lives

It's actually a pretty cool-looking suit. Completely wrong for Superman, of course, but still pretty cool.

I still want to see that infamous film of Nic Cage with long, stringy black hair wearing that suit, the one that caused WB to pull the plug on Superman Lives.

[GreenKToo]

You would turn to stone with but a mere glance at his awesome-awesomeness.....lol

[Kurosawa]

Superman's guilt in the classic version came not from the destruction of Krypton (which he obviously couldn't have prevented) but instead from the loss of the Kents, and the fact that despite his incredible powers, he was unable to save them. My preference is for them to both die as he reaches manhood, but if they choose to ignore that (which to me is a mistake), then they don't need to kill Jonathan and leave Martha alive because that is more "Gospel according to Dick Donner" and I'm more interested in seeing a version based on Jerry Siegel's Superman and not Donners and damn well not Byrne's.

That said, guilt is not Superman's motivation, although he does have strong feelings of guilt often, because he holds himself to incredibly high standards. His morals and his personal standards are as super as the rest of him.

[GreenKToo]

He does it because it's in his nature, which has alot to do with his upbringing.

I see it like this, as a Firefighter/EMT I couldn't tell you how many times when I would be traveling on a trip somewhere that I would happen up on a car crash..Now, I could have passed them on by and no one would have been the wiser except....for me. Knowing that I could help but didn't would make it hard for me to live with myself.

I never did pass any up tho. Not one. I always stopped to help BECAUSE its what I do AND it's the right thing to do. I think its the same with Superman..he knows he has all those powers and the ability to act where others can't or won't. Its also his moral duty to do so.
Perhaps if I hadn't been raised the right way I wouldn't care, but I was, so I do.

[PreK]

Very important for you fanboys to read what was written on the front page of the Hype.

David Goyer AND Jonathan Nolan wrote the script!

That should shut some of you people up who were whining and crying about David Goyer being the only one who wrote the script. :oldrazz:
There's absolutely no source for that blurb. Shall I reference the infamous Hans Zimmer/Superman score headlines?

[Dark Knight]

There's absolutely no source for that blurb. Shall I reference the infamous Hans Zimmer/Superman score headlines?





Take a look at what Jaimie and Show have reported in the past regarding Jonah being involved with the screenplay of The Man Of Steel.

[Frodo]

Stuff like Superman "being sent to conquer Earth" seems totally unnecessary to me... I don't feel like there's anything wrong with Superman being given a last chance at life by loving parents on a doomed planet...

I don't see how radically changing his origin to that of a would be conquerer would serve the story at all besides giving him a worse guilt complex... Which he already had from being the last survivor...

I don't dig the conquer element either , however I think there does need to be a conflict in the relationship between Kal El and Jor El in or more specifically, Clark's own conflict between how he was raised and what culture he originates. Clark for all purposes see's himself as a human and doesn't always identify or agree with everything kryptonian. I like the concept of Clark being the young idealist ready to take on an challange while Jor El is more the logical, World wary ,and hence knows that things will not be as easy as Kal El thinks they will be.

That's why I'm not too crazy about retreading the narrative of Clark becoming Superman solely because it's his"Destiny", "Prophecy" or because"Jor El wants him to". I think it'd be a great testiment to his character if he chose to use his abilities to help humanity and change the world, as opposed to a path that has been set out for him and thus he has to follow it. Imo, the idea of taking his abilities and doing something more with them would further emphasis his human upbringing where as the Kryptonian side .

In that sense, you have that conflict between Clark and Jor El for while Clark may agree that he has a greater purpose, he disagrees with Jor El about what it is, or how to reach that destination.

[Kurosawa]

I don't dig the conquer element either , however I think there does need to be a conflict in the relationship between Kal El and Jor El in or more specifically, Clark's own conflict between how he was raised and what culture he originates. Clark for all purposes see's himself as a human and doesn't always identify or agree with everything kryptonian. I like the concept of Clark being the young idealist ready to take on an challange while Jor El is more the logical, World wary ,and hence knows that things will not be as easy as Kal El thinks they will be.

That's why I'm not too crazy about retreading the narrative of Clark becoming Superman solely because it's his"Destiny", "Prophecy" or because"Jor El wants him to". I think it'd be a great testiment to his character if he chose to use his abilities to help humanity and change the world, as opposed to a path that has been set out for him and thus he has to follow it. Imo, the idea of taking his abilities and doing something more with them would further emphasis his human upbringing where as the Kryptonian side .

In that sense, you have that conflict between Clark and Jor El for while Clark may agree that he has a greater purpose, he disagrees with Jor El about what it is, or how to reach that destination.

Not crazy about this because they've had so much conflict between Clark and the Jor-El AI on Smallville. For the most part, I want Jor-El's story to end when Krypton is destroyed and anything Superman finds from him is archival material.

[Frodo]

Not crazy about this because they've had so much conflict between Clark and the Jor-El AI on Smallville. For the most part, I want Jor-El's story to end when Krypton is destroyed and anything Superman finds from him is archival material.

Donners cut of Superman 2 also has that conflict element between Jor El and Kal El. Imo one of the best things SV was introduce that element as it placed a sharper contrast between Johnathan and Jor El. I prefer the conflict element myself to the previous versions of Jor El sending Kal El to earth to survive and to help humans on earth.

However, I wouldn't mind your idea of them leaving behind the concept Spirited Jor El and stick with archival material.

[PreK]

Take a look at what Jaimie and Show have reported in the past regarding Jonah being involved with the screenplay of The Man Of Steel.
What did they say?

[hopefuldreamer]

I agree with everything you said. I don't think your ideas of a Superman film are as unpopular as you think.

Most of all I just want to see superman challenged physically, morally and emotionally in a Superman movie.

Sounds great. I would also like a Clark Kent who knows very little about his Kryptonian heritage and finds out piecemeal rather than all at once like in the original movie.

Well it's just the impression I get on these forums that everyone is Kryptonian heritage mad. Especially with Brainiac being such a popular villain choice (which personally I just don't get).

I really want the new Superman movie to be a sort of mirror of Nolan's take on Batman. Similar themes, but you can clearly see the different ways that Superman deals with things and how that effects his world.

And as much as is possible with a superhero who is alien in origin, and who I would like to see have a good few action scenes, i'd like the actual storylines to be grounded in the real world.

Although it's been said, many times many ways...thank God we dodged this..
test footage from superman lives.

http://www.moviehole.net/201034667-test-footage-from-superman-lives

It actually makes me cry when i think about it.

It's actually a pretty cool-looking suit. Completely wrong for Superman, of course, but still pretty cool.

I still want to see that infamous film of Nic Cage with long, stringy black hair wearing that suit, the one that caused WB to pull the plug on Superman Lives.

It looks like something you put on when you play Laser Tag.

[Isildur´s Heir]

Superman is a broken hero for a very long time now, even the comics get it all wrong.
The all Jor-El / Kal-El conflict is ridiculous to say the least. Jor-El is dead, so the simple idea of him talking to Kal-El is pathetic.
More even the all Superman / Jesus connection.
You can say that Superman´s origin is based on Jesus, but so are tons of other stories.
Even the Fortress of Solitude made of crystal is awful.

All i said above give a mystical and spiritual vibe that is uncalled for, Superman is not the second coming of christ.
Many say that the all crystals thing give it a alien feeling, but that´s not true, it gives a mystical feeling and because mystical is alien, people tend to confuse both.
Besides, Krypton was not a mystical place, it was a doomed planet, a shattered planet...to change that is to take away the importance of Superman.

[hopefuldreamer]

Superman is a broken hero for a very long time now, even the comics get it all wrong.
The all Jor-El / Kal-El conflict is ridiculous to say the least. Jor-El is dead, so the simple idea of him talking to Kal-El is pathetic.
More even the all Superman / Jesus connection.
You can say that Superman´s origin is based on Jesus, but so are tons of other stories.
Even the Fortress of Solitude made of crystal is awful.

All i said above give a mystical and spiritual vibe that is uncalled for, Superman is not the second coming of christ.
Many say that the all crystals thing give it a alien feeling, but that´s not true, it gives a mystical feeling and because mystical is alien, people tend to confuse both.
Besides, Krypton was not a mystical place, it was a doomed planet, a shattered planet...to change that is to take away the importance of Superman.

Agreed.

In some ways, I think the more you include the fortress and jor-el and everything 'alien' and mystical, the less Superman can be perceived as a Superhero in the way that he should be. He just sort of becomes this larger than life saviour being. It's only that Jor-el dynamic that makes him comparable to christ.

It bugs me, because i'm a Superman fan, and when I try to explain to people that I don't really like the movies, and the fortress and jor-el and stuff, they don't understand how I can be... cause that's kind all that people see... that's been drummed into pop culture as THE Superman story. When there is SO much more they could be telling.

Batman Begins and TDK have paved the way IMO, for a Superman story that's about a man creating a symbol of hope (parralleling Batman's symbol of fear). But unlike Batman this is a character who does get to be himself sometimes, as Clark, and actually get to live a life.

It makes any storyline where that life is jepordised a lot more intense. I mean, if Batman's identity was revealed to the world, it would put Bruce in more danger of being caught sure. But he's pretty much always hiding anyway. He doesn't have much too loose, because he's already lost everything.

Clark is someone who has a lot more too loose, and risks it all because what he can do simply can't be ignored.

I also think it makes Lex Luthor a lot more appealing, to me. The Joker latches on to Batman because he sees a play mate. Someone who will respond to his games in a way that no one else within the established ordered world would. It's fun. Everyone can see the game of cat and mouse.

But Lex Luthor (in my eyes). Here is a man who's power and public face are something he has had to work at his whole life. And he's succeeded. He has an enormous amount of control. And then here comes a man who's got everything Lex so furiously fought for, and not only is he not using it in a controlling way, but he doesn't have to fight for it at all. People love him. They trust him. His is above Lex in every way, and he didn't even earn it!

Their feud is secret from the world. If Lex were to win, and defeat Superman, no one would ever know. He'd have never have it trace back to him. He'd use someone like Metallo or Parasite to be the face of the villany. His involvement would go unnoticed and he'd go back to controlling things to his own liking like nothing had changed. To me that is terrifying. A maniac whose own sense of ego and self satisfaction is enough that he doesn't need or want ANYONE to know just how powerful he really is. The kind of guy who would love to keep Superman in a cage underground that no one else knew about, just so he could remind himself what true power is.

And when I see a storyline that even TOUCHES on this dynamic, I just don't see where Jor-El would fit in... so i'd rather they didn't bother with him at all.

[GreenKToo]

Agreed as well. I want to see a Krypton that is based on science, with a look that compares to coruscant. NO CRYSTAL cities please.

I don't want to see Jesus comparisons with Superman in this film like what we saw in SR.
Sure, you can have a few nutt jobs in the public that start a cult or whatever because it would happen in real life, but I don't want any of that ''in your face'' stuff again, like the clouds parting for him or him in a crucifixion pose.

[KrypJonian]

I always saw Superman as more of a Moses story than Jesus... and his creators were Jewish...

[gkokujin]

the Jesus comparison comes most people immediately associate "Jewish" & "Messiah" with "Jesus"

[Dark Knight]

This is crazy: Check out the story below from EW of "Pete" from Smallville being one of the many Hollywood "Pill Poppin Pushers". Sad....


"Sam Jones III, best known to "Smallville" fans as Pete Ross, today pleaded guilty in Los Angeles federal court to conspiracy to sell more than 10,000 oxycodone pills. His sentence will be handed down in June 2011, where he could find himself spending up to 20 years in jail.

Jones, 27, was busted at his Canoga Park, Calif., home last year for allegedly trying to sling the painkiller otherwise known as "hillbilly heroin."
Today, he pleaded guilty as a coconspirator in the drug ring, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office.

The feds arrested him after determining he was the "Hollywood connection" involved in the ring's illegal purchasing and distributing the drugs."

[El Payaso]

And then here comes a man who's got everything Lex so furiously fought for, and not only is he not using it in a controlling way,

I think, and this is my mere opinion here, that Superman also looks for control. Just not a personal control as Luthor but social control. Luthor says 'everybody obey me! Or else...' Superman says 'everybody obey the law. Or else...'

[GreenKToo]

This is crazy: Check out the story below from EW of "Pete" from Smallville being one of the many Hollywood "Pill Poppin Pushers". Sad....


"Sam Jones III, best known to "Smallville" fans as Pete Ross, today pleaded guilty in Los Angeles federal court to conspiracy to sell more than 10,000 oxycodone pills. His sentence will be handed down in June 2011, where he could find himself spending up to 20 years in jail.

Jones, 27, was busted at his Canoga Park, Calif., home last year for allegedly trying to sling the painkiller otherwise known as "hillbilly heroin."
Today, he pleaded guilty as a coconspirator in the drug ring, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office.

The feds arrested him after determining he was the "Hollywood connection" involved in the ring's illegal purchasing and distributing the drugs."
wow, that is crazy :wow:

[BH/HHH]

wow, that is crazy :wow:

and for some reason kind of funny :D

[PreK]

I almost felt sorry for him but then I remembered he made a sex tape with a Playboy model girlfriend. Looked like they had a crazy-good time too. His fault for throwing that away.

[Lord Blackbolt]

HAHAHAHA.... he was even on ER as well. Way to destory your career.

[Lord Blackbolt]

HAHAHAHA.... he was even on ER as well. Way to destory your career.

[Micah12345]

I don't believe it, not innocent pete!

[Excelsior.]

I think, and this is my mere opinion here, that Superman also looks for control. Just not a personal control as Luthor but social control. Luthor says 'everybody obey me! Or else...' Superman says 'everybody obey the law. Or else...'
Every Superhero has fascist undertones.

[elgaz]

I think, and this is my mere opinion here, that Superman also looks for control. Just not a personal control as Luthor but social control. Luthor says 'everybody obey me! Or else...' Superman says 'everybody obey the law. Or else...'

The difference there is that Luthor's need for control benefits himself, and only himself. It's all for personal gratification.

Superman's need for control (for people to respect the law) ultimately stems from the realisation that laws are there for the benefit of humankind and are needed to keep things fair and just in a modern society. I don't think it's due to any personal gratification or abuse of his position.

[hopefuldreamer]

I think, and this is my mere opinion here, that Superman also looks for control. Just not a personal control as Luthor but social control. Luthor says 'everybody obey me! Or else...' Superman says 'everybody obey the law. Or else...'

The difference there is that Luthor's need for control benefits himself, and only himself. It's all for personal gratification.

Superman's need for control (for people to respect the law) ultimately stems from the realisation that laws are there for the benefit of humankind and are needed to keep things fair and just in a modern society. I don't think it's due to any personal gratification or abuse of his position.

I don't think it's controlling, and Superman's never struck me as particularly obsessed with keeping everyone law abiding.

I mean, you don't tend to find Superman busting people for tax evasion... he saves people. He saves people who are being robbed, mugged, attacked etc. He stops bank robberies, not because he wants to force bank robbers to obey the law, but because he is saving people. He hands criminals over to the law because he respects societies rules, but he is not a law enforcer IMO.

If he wanted to control society, he could, forcefully. But he just wants to help people.

[JDym]

http://**************.com/fansites/scoops/news/?a=27022

got your grain of salt, folks?

[GreenKToo]

WoW!!! A superman film filming in Kansas? what a novel idea. lol.
This little bit of news/rumor they'll probably get right.

[JDym]

was referring to 'Last Son' as a title. bet its the project name, ala frostbite for captain america

[GreenKToo]

Possibly. My sarcasm wasn't directed at you, it was directed at that site.

[BH/HHH]

http://**************.com/fansites/scoops/news/?a=27022

got your grain of salt, folks?

It'd be fantastic if it were true but like you say grain of salt

[Showtime]

If they are filming in Vancouver, I am sure if they are shooting on location they will just use a farm there. Wouldn't make sense to film in Kansas.

If not they can build it on the sound stages at Canadian Motion Picture Park Studios and use green screen to expand.

The other wild card which could be interesting is, if I remember correctly, they took apart and saved the entire farm set up from Superman Returns.

[Nightwing1983]

I'll admit I'm kind-of America-centric when it comes to Superman casting and locations; but Vancouver looks a lot like how Metropolis is usually portrayed in the comics, so I think it's a good place to film.

[Nightwing1983]

The Silver Age was awesome and all the SA-haters need to lighten up!

[KyleDW2]

The Silver Age was awesome and all the SA-haters need to lighten up!

Silver Age Superman sucked. I've read as much as I could. I've read all the Showcases. Let's just say Marvel had a much better 50's and 60's than DC did. Way fewer Turtle Boys and annoying Lois plots there. Though DC did really start to get it together in the 70's, I will give them that.

[Nightwing1983]

Silver Age Superman sucked. I've read as much as I could. I've read all the Showcases.

Silver-Age Superman was awesome. More space-faring adventures, introduced characters like Brainiac, Supergirl, Bizarro, the Legion of Super Heroes, etc. It was rad, though I guess you need a sense of humor to enjoy it.

Let's just say Marvel had a much better 50's and 60's than DC did.

This is the second time you've lumped the '50s and the '60s together. They're two completely different decades, especially where Marvel is concerned. Marvel wasn't even putting out superhero stories in the '50s. It was mostly generic westerns and monsters.

Edit: At some point, they DID revive Cap, Submarriner and Human Torch, but it didn't last too long.

Way fewer Turtle Boys and annoying Lois plots there.

Meh, not really. Neither side had a monopoly on silly ideas. Of course, being an actual fan, I can find that stuff charming. If I was a poser or something, I'd probably be like, "oh! This is so stupid! I can't read this! Oh the pain! The pain of it all!"

Though DC did really start to get it together in the 70's, I will give them that.

Oh, they "had it together" long before Marvel. Again, Marvel was really languishing in the '50s when DC had the only real superhero stuff out there.

You not happening to like it is, well, irrelevant.

[Dark Knight]

If they are filming in Vancouver, I am sure if they are shooting on location they will just use a farm there. Wouldn't make sense to film in Kansas.

If not they can build it on the sound stages at Canadian Motion Picture Park Studios and use green screen to expand.

The other wild card which could be interesting is, if I remember correctly, they took apart and saved the entire farm set up from Superman Returns.





I think they will use sound stages and green screen effects. Remember, the way Snyder filmed the field sequences when the Persian messengers were riding toward the Spartan City?

It looked nice.

[KyleDW2]

I think they will use sound stages and green screen effects. Remember, the way Snyder filmed the field sequences when the Persian messengers were riding toward the Spartan City?

It looked nice.

It still amazes me that most of that movie was just a cartoon. The things they can do in movies nowadays.

I'm expecting a lot out of this new Superman movie because of that. You hear me movie Superman? You get one more shot. Make it count.

[PreK]

I think they will use sound stages and green screen effects. Remember, the way Snyder filmed the field sequences when the Persian messengers were riding toward the Spartan City?

It looked nice.
Nice, for what it was. Still looked too stylized and unreal for my liking. I want to be immersed in the visuals as a real place. I obviously wouldn't go through the immeasurable lengths Singer did by growing a whole farm (huge money waster), but it shouldn't be too hard to find an actual location to shoot in.

[Nightwing1983]

It still amazes me that most of that movie was just a cartoon. The things they can do in movies nowadays.

I'm expecting a lot out of this new Superman movie because of that. You hear me movie Superman? You get one more shot. Make it count.

You know you'll like it no matter what.

[daywalker2007]

I think WB should go for a more open route. Clark Kent should start the movie off talking about his previous sexual experiences. How he experimented being a bi sexual. It would fit in with the modern ethos of Snyder's movie. Superman should be sexually liberated and mature.

[Sawyer]

EDIT: never mind

[elgaz]

Is the Smallville farm in Vancouver? As that's where they film SV? Whether you like the show or hate it, their Kent farm does look great.

http://www.supermantv.net/episodeguide/episode13/farm.jpg

[Antonello Blueberry]

http://collider.com/superman-man-of-steel-production-schedule/68680/ (http://www.**************.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=27550)
Shooting schedule? True or fake?

[NotFadeAway]

I recently started rewatching Lois and Clark from the beginning and I must say, I forgot how much I loved the way Clark Kent and Superman were written in that show. Thats how I would write the character and thats how I personally want the character to be portrayed. The problem with L&C was that Dean Cain didn't have the range for both parts. He got the Clark Kent right, but not Superman. Find an actor with better range and add a touch of Golden Age Superman and you would have a Clark Kent/Superman that I think the general audience would fall in love with.

[BH/HHH]

I recently started rewatching Lois and Clark from the beginning and I must say, I forgot how much I loved the way Clark Kent and Superman were written in that show. Thats how I would write the character and thats how I personally want the character to be portrayed. The problem with L&C was that Dean Cain didn't have the range for both parts. He got the Clark Kent right, but not Superman. Find an actor with better range and add a touch of Golden Age Superman and you would have a Clark Kent/Superman that I think the general audience would fall in love with.

Like Gerard Christopher

I never liked Lois & Clark but I did like the Superboy TV show and I think that did a better job of portraying the differences of Clark and Superboy in the final two seasons anyway.

[NotFadeAway]

Like Gerard Christopher

I never liked Lois & Clark but I did like the Superboy TV show and I think that did a better job of portraying the differences of Clark and Superboy in the final two seasons anyway.

After I get done rewatching Lois and Clark, I plan on going and watching all the Superboy episodes.

[BH/HHH]

After I get done rewatching Lois and Clark, I plan on going and watching all the Superboy episodes.

Season 1 is awful, season 2 is better but Gerard plays Clark way too nerdy (not his fault mind its what they asked for) altho theres are some great episodes especially the Bizarro eps but season 3 and 4, Gerard portrays his Clark less nerdy than season 2 and I'd say just right (his Superboy was always spot on) the final seasons have the best episodes the Brides of Bizarro, Roads Not Taken & Know Thine Enemy to name a few.

[Showtime]

Not sure if anybody noticed this?

http://www.thinkmcflythink.com/movie-news/2011/1/8/steve-johnson-to-release-making-of-hulk-superman-dvds.html

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww260/Think_Mcfly_Think/TMT%20New%20Album/sldfjlsdakjfl.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=12945 14154641


Also interesting to note, Steve Johson's company EonEntertainment (http://www.eonentertainment.com/) (Scroll Right) is planning to release all the juicy behind the scenes footage from his time on Ang's version of Hulk in addition to his work on "Superman Lives". Can I preorder this now!

[Antonello Blueberry]

Ang's version of Hulk? Someone at SteveJohnsonFX should do his homeworks better.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Sounds like it was for the version Jonathan Hensleigh was supposed to direct from his script back in '97.

[BH/HHH]

http://www.facebook.com/S4Superman

This guy has a Superman vs Brainiac fan film in production, looks pretty good from the pics

[Astrodust]

http://collider.com/superman-man-of-steel-production-schedule/68680/ (http://www.**************.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=27550)
Shooting schedule? True or fake?

This is the longer version.
http://collider.com/superman-man-of-steel-production-schedule/68680/

Sounds like it could be true. Very long shoot though and starting late. I would have thought July at the latest to get some nice summer shots in there.

[BH/HHH]

This is the longer version.
http://collider.com/superman-man-of-steel-production-schedule/68680/

Sounds like it could be true. Very long shoot though and starting late. I would have thought July at the latest to get some nice summer shots in there.

Yeah seems like it could be, wouldn't suprise me if it was

[Astrodust]

Well I guess the principal photography would be roughly the same as SR so it's believable. Is it reasonable to have an exact shooting start date this early in production?

[GreenKToo]

didnt the guy say batman would film in detroit? if so then hmmmm.
maybe he is right about superman's shooting schedule as well.

Rumour has it that Detroit will fill in for Chicago on Warner’s “Dark Knight Rises”. Filming is also said to be taking place in Los Angeleshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/#) and the UK. There was a rumour floating around for a while that the movie would be shooting in New Orleans – not so. (Source : Reel Chicago (http://chicagoist.com/2011/01/10/dark_knight_sequel_to_shoot_in_detr.php))

http://www.moviehole.net/201135572-quick-news-january-11-2011

[KyleDW2]

You know, as I sit here, waiting for DC Universe Online to install on my PS3, I think of many things. I think of how far we've come since late 2006, where the war was between the small minority who said a reboot is coming to the vast majority who said Singer would get another chance. I think of the various stages of reboot we've seen. The Routh-boot phase, the Mark Millar talking at anyone who could hear his voice phase, the Chris Nolan phase. I think of the great talks between fans who want a new origin vs. those who want an older Superman. But mostly, I sit here thinking about why in the hell do I have to install games on my console.

[Nightwing1983]

You know, as I sit here, waiting for DC Universe Online to install on my PS3, I think of many things. I think of how far we've come since late 2006, where the war was between the small minority who said a reboot is coming to the vast majority who said Singer would get another chance. I think of the various stages of reboot we've seen. The Routh-boot phase, the Mark Millar talking at anyone who could hear his voice phase, the Chris Nolan phase. I think of the great talks between fans who want a new origin vs. those who want an older Superman. But mostly, I sit here thinking about why in the hell do I have to install games on my console.

DC Universe Online: isn't that the DC-themed video game where you can't be Superman?
:sleepy:

[Dark Knight]

Any guesses who will be doing the main CGI work for The Man Of Steel?

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

DC Universe Online: isn't that the DC-themed video game where you can't be Superman?
:sleepy:

To be fair, virtually every game where you could play as Superman has been pretty snore-worthy too. :cwink:

[KyleDW2]

To be fair, virtually every game where you could play as Superman has been pretty snore-worthy too. :cwink:

Good point. Besides, its fun to interact with the things from that universe. Yesterday I found the Batsignal. That was pretty damn cool.

[GreenKToo]

Is the game any good? I thought about buying it but wanted to ask someone who actually has it before I do..

[KyleDW2]

Is the game any good? I thought about buying it but wanted to ask someone who actually has it before I do..

I can only give impressions of the PS3 version, but let me say it like this.

I have tried several MMO's. Each one I played for a few months, got bored and left. They never really sucked me in, the controls were always too stiff, etc. But this? This feels like an action game. You use combos. You can string together button presses and different powers to put some serious hurt on enemies. I have two fire powers, one of which sends a fireball to set enemies on fire, and then another to turn anything on fire into a gigantic bomb. It really feels like an action game instead of a game where I point and click on something and the game takes over.

The DC stuff is excellent as well. Touring the Watchtower was just fantastic. Walking into the central hub, seeing Earth spread out before me, looking around and seeing where the seven headliners of the JLA sit...its just a fanboy's geekgasm come true. Not to mention the levels themselves. I have yet to find the Daily Planet, but I've seen S.T.A.R. labs, busted up Brainiac's ship, beaten Gorilla Grodd, taken tours hosted by Booster Gold and have met Commissioner Gordon in Gotham City.

The only downside so far is that costume customization isn't all its cracked up to be, but I can totally see them adding in more pieces as the game goes on. Going by a week of playtime alone mind you, I could not recommend this enough.

[GreenKToo]

ok, thanx..i'll probably be buying it now.

[batman44]

We got our Batman news, now bring on Superman!

[GreenKToo]

yeah, and on a side note here, if we get half the superman news during production like sony is doing with spider-man, i'll be a happy camper.
They are pulling out all the stops with spider-man. IMO, WB had better hit superman just as hard, or even harder.

[BH/HHH]

We got our Batman news, now bring on Superman!

yeah thats what I was thinking lol but I think it might be a little while before we hear anything about Superman. Batman's gonna be out before Superman remember.

[GreenKToo]

yeah thats what I was thinking lol but I think it might be a little while before we hear anything about Superman. Batman's gonna be out before Superman remember.
a good 5 or 6 months before superman..I just hope that don't mean we have to wait another month or two before any superman news is released.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Kal-El?
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/01/20/crazy-rumour-next-bond-film-to-be-called-red-sky-at-night-and-feature-winter-sports/?utm

Im close friends with an art director in the film industry, i wont mention his name but he has worked closely with production designer Michael Carlin and is about to start work in Canada on Kal-El, the next Superman movie.

[Lightning54SC]

i ran across this on my iphone on rottentomatoes so i snapped a pic, could this be the story? i think RT holds some credibility for info

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/16/photof.png

[BH/HHH]

i ran across this on my iphone on rottentomatoes so i snapped a pic, could this be the story? i think RT holds some credibility for info

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/16/photof.png

Hmmmmm interesting

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

i ran across this on my iphone on rottentomatoes so i snapped a pic, could this be the story? i think RT holds some credibility for info

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/16/photof.png

Well, I would be extremely happy if that were to be the story of the movie, sounds like a loose adaptation of Birthright, which can only be a good thing IMO.

[BH/HHH]

Well, I would be extremely happy if that were to be the story of the movie, sounds like a loose adaptation of Birthright, which can only be a good thing IMO.

Apart from Birthright doesn't involve Brainiac or Intergang :D

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Apart from Birthright doesn't involve Brainiac or Intergang :D

Hence why I said 'loose' adaptation :cwink:.

[GreenKToo]

that same synopsis was floating around a few months ago, so maybe there is something to it.

[Violet Lantern]

Secret Origin or Birthright? Secret Origin or Birthright...

Hmm, both are good. Maybe they could use elements from both.

[BH/HHH]

Hence why I said 'loose' adaptation :cwink:.

I didn't notice I was very tired when I wrote that :D

[manofsteel4life]

you know i was just thinking how good it must feel to whoever knows how this is all going to plan out.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I didn't notice I was very tired when I wrote that :D

Ha ha no probs :yay:.

[Kal-El.9859]

one thing I want to see, or hear in the movie is the John Williams theme...it speaks SUPERMAN

[BH/HHH]

one thing I want to see, or hear in the movie is the John Williams theme...it speaks SUPERMAN

Unfortunately you will be disapointed, it ain't happening. This has NOTHING to do with the other movies. Its a total reboot.

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