Spider-Sense in SM4

[DACMAN]

So over the course of three films we saw the spider-sense used less and less. And I've heard the excuse that they just figure we'd get it by now. Which makes sense in the case of like the third one when Pete turns his head just in time so that the pumpkin bomb misses his head and gets thrown back at Harry. Obviously that was meant to be his spider-sense going off. I'm not talking about those scenes.

I'm talking about the burning building that Spider-Man couldn't detect the Green Goblin in. Or in the third, how he couldn't detect Harry coming up right behind him on the glider.

But any way the question is how would you like to see his spider-sense used in the next film?

I would like a scene that is much like the first when time slows down and we get a 360 picture of the room to see that there are guys with guns pointed right at him. They start to shoot and his is bouncing around every where without getting hit at all. We've seen this in the comics over and over and they've yet to do it in the movies at all.

Something like this...


http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/spider-man/27-1.jpg


On a side note I'd love to see this. This has been my favorite Spidey agility moment for a while.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/7604/636456-spidey44ve_super.gif

[Spider-ManHero12]

Not sure. I think both work equeally.

[Max Shrek]

I like Greg Weisman's take on it:

Spider-Sense is another ability that I think has, over the years, been abused as well. Pete was bit by a spider, not by a psychic. If you buy the notion of SPIDER-sense at all, you need it to fit with (at best) our perception of what a SPIDER can do. So in our show, Pete can only anticipate an incoming blow. That to me, is key. Pete could walk right by a serial killer with a chainsaw hidden under a trenchcoat and not feel a buzz, unless the guy took a swing at him. (Again, he's not psychic. He doesn't have a built-in EVIL SENSOR.) Because having spider-sense is NEW to Pete, he's not even that great at taking advantage of it now. We've decided that his spider-sense doesn't go off (or at any rate it's too low a level to bother with) when he can see the danger right in front of him. That would be redundant. And unless there's a lot of anticipation to a blow coming from an unseen source, he just may not get enough warning or information. Often the warning comes too late for him to react. Often the warning comes. But it's generic. He knows he's about to get slammed - but doesn't know from where. (It's just a tingling sensation. It can't talk to him and give him more information.) I won't deny that some writers -- including, on occasion, Stan -- have in fact turned spider-sense into an all-purpose evil sensor. But personally I don't buy it.

[DACMAN]

If he doesn't even react to it what's the point of having it at all. Why write it as a power?

You guys understand what it is suppose to represent right? What spider's can actually sense and how they sense it right? Once you understand it, it actually works. The movie did it best when it portrayed it as a 360 picture of his environment.

His spider-sense is suppose to be a spider's ability to sense different levels of force using setae, from strong contact to very weak air currents.

As with other arthropods, spiders' cuticles would block out information about the outside world, except that they are penetrated by many sensors or connections from sensors to the nervous system. In fact spiders and other arthropods have modified their cuticles into elaborate arrays of sensors.


Spiders also have in the joints of their limbs slit sensillae that detect forces and vibrations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider

If that isn't spider-sense I don't know what is.


So in a nut shell it's his skin and hair that can detect changes in his environment and pin point things that may be a danger to him or just a point of interest. His body basically has a mental 360 snap shot of his environment.

I've even heard people go as far as to say that people have this to a much smaller degree. Want to try it? Close your eyes. Well not right now because you have to read this. But when you're done reading this close your eyes. Now take your finger and put it right in between your eyes close to the bridge of your nose. Do not actually touch your skin. But get your finger really close to it right in between your eyes. Feel that, that's your spider-sense.:D Kind of. You feel that because of the combination of the hair right there and your eyes. Which is exactly what spider-sense is.

[DACMAN]

Another quick explanation.

Slit sensillae of spiders detect mechanical strain in the exoskeleton, providing information on force and vibrations.

http://www.answers.com/topic/sense

[omid17]

i forgot what Spider=Man game it was, but the scene blew me away. Pretty sure he was chasing a villain in the streets of NY, something happens and a bunch of cars go flying at him, it soo cool seeing him dodging those cars like that in slow motion spidey sense

[Spidey_62]

i forgot what Spider=Man game it was, but the scene blew me away. Pretty sure he was chasing a villain in the streets of NY, something happens and a bunch of cars go flying at him, it soo cool seeing him dodging those cars like that in slow motion spidey sense
That was during one of the Scorpion parts in Spider-Man 3: The Game.

[omid17]

That was during one of the Scorpion parts in Spider-Man 3: The Game.:up: cool thx

[DACMAN]

i forgot what Spider=Man game it was, but the scene blew me away. Pretty sure he was chasing a villain in the streets of NY, something happens and a bunch of cars go flying at him, it soo cool seeing him dodging those cars like that in slow motion spidey sense

That was the one time I didn't mind a chase in a game. It actually made chasing him fun. I loved the scenes in that game that really showed off his agility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycj20gD0Y0k&feature=related

[spider-neil]

I agree with wiseman, if (for example) he is having a conversation with norman osborn and is in no danger then his spider sense shouldn't tingle

[Spidey Snooch]

I too feel that this is one of the powers not fully realized on screen. But they can't over-do it. I think if you go slow mo everytime, it will get repetetive. For the longest time, though, I have envisioned a scene where Spidey is fighting a lot of guys (wouldn't be that hard to imagine, right?). His spider-sense kicks in and everything slows down, except Spidey, who's moving at regular speed. This would also showcase his speed, power and agility. I like the way the 90's series did it. Perhaps have everything go negative, maybe an audio cue, then we're back in the action. We should be able to infer that it tells Spidey where it is coming from and how big a threat it is. If a fist is coming at his head, he gives the slightest dodge, if a missile is coming at his feet, he leaps. Simple, yeah? But oh so effective.

[Reikowolf]

The comics have always been pretty vague on how the spider-sense works, it's all been dependant on the writer.

As far as I can descern, spider-sense works the same as a sense of smell, in that unfamiliar, identified threats and a strongly 'sensed' objects would induce a reaction.

Examples of this would be: A stranger, someone he knows to be a villain or direct threat to him, and fast moving objects (bullets etc).

Where as familiar objects, or people not yet identified as threats would not.

Examples of this would be: His loved ones could in essense sneak up on him without him knowing, Harry Osborn as he had not been a physical threat to Peter until the point of first attack.

There are of course exceptions that circumvent this rule

Examples include: The symbiote (reason given is because they have been previously bonded), Osborn developed a pheramone that blocked spider-sense as well.

This kind of gives loose explanations for certain things.

The Goblin may not have been detected in the fire as Spider-Man's sense may have thought the threat was the fire and not the strange woman. Spidey was still able to dodge the razor bats.

Harry was able to get the jump on Peter as it was their first physical encounter.

The key thing to keep in mind is that Peter's Spider-Sense is NOT psychic, if it were, not only would he sense danger, but know the direction and the aggressor.

"I sense something unfamiliar close by"

not

"I sense Norman Osborn is about to attack me in 30min"

The original idea of spider-sense came from how certain spiders can sense objects through the hairs on their body (change in wind direction etc) as well as slight vibrations in their web.

[Reikowolf]

This also explains how Spider-Man did not associate the Goblin as a threat as Norman Osborn was not a threat to him, that he knew of.

at the same time, he wouldn't know why the Goblin wasn't a threat. He just senses danger not who is attacking.

[DACMAN]

The original idea of spider-sense came from how certain spiders can sense objects through the hairs on their body (change in wind direction etc) as well as slight vibrations in their web.
Seriously? Do you not read previous posts before posting?

[omid17]

That was the one time I didn't mind a chase in a game. It actually made chasing him fun. I loved the scenes in that game that really showed off his agility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycj20gD0Y0k&feature=relatedtotally agree man, thx for the clip. I really hope they add something like that in future spidey films

[Shockdingo]

This is a very intriguing thread, and I've always wanted to go in depth to how it works. I also wanted to see more depictions of it in the film, but haven't exactly been sure how to go about that.

[UnionJack]

They showed his Spider-Sense working good in the 1st film.

When Flash goes to punch him, the room slows down, Pete see's the punch coming etc.

It would be good to see it more on screen, not all the slow-down stuff, just like a flash of sound or light, so we and he knows something is going to happen.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Tbh, I think seeing more of the Spider-sense would be cool, but I do think it works even if we don't see it happening. I mean, we know he has spider-sense, and we know he uses it. Besides, with all the loud noises and music during battle, it would stand out.

[Hypestyle]

more spider-sense, the better..

[LastSunrise1981]

One of the aspects I didn't like was how the Spider-Sense was slowly ignored through the sequels. Let's be realistic here.

In the first film where Spidey is in the burning building and he assumes that an old lady is in danger. Of course we all know what transpired after that. However, his spider-sense would've been off the charts. It senses danger and that was a stranger danger if anything.

I would like to see it referenced more and more. I don't know if I want to see it utilized through minor fights. But if something fatal is about to happen then it needs to be used.

Like, I wish they would've explored more of why Venom didn't trigger his spider-sense. Hence why I hate that Avi made Sam cram Venom in just to please fanboys and the studio.

[StylishHokie21]

They need show more of it like they did in the first movie. I love that sound that they used.

[DACMAN]

One of the aspects I didn't like was how the Spider-Sense was slowly ignored through the sequels. Let's be realistic here.

In the first film where Spidey is in the burning building and he assumes that an old lady is in danger. Of course we all know what transpired after that. However, his spider-sense would've been off the charts. It senses danger and that was a stranger danger if anything.

I would like to see it referenced more and more. I don't know if I want to see it utilized through minor fights. But if something fatal is about to happen then it needs to be used.

Like, I wish they would've explored more of why Venom didn't trigger his spider-sense. Hence why I hate that Avi made Sam cram Venom in just to please fanboys and the studio.

Doesn't change the fact Harry should have set it off. And just because Sam was forced to do something doesn't give him a blank check to screw it up.

[NewYorkSpider]

Peter knew that Harry was coming. You could see the look on his face just before he grabbed him.

[DACMAN]

I have it on Bluray so I can clearly see his face in beautiful HD....and as far as his face showing he knew, not so much. Stop the video at 11 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilg2KCoGKO0&feature=related

[NewYorkSpider]

I have it on BluRay. You can CLEARLY see Peter with a look of confusion on his face. Like he knows something is coming. It's a split second before Harry grabs him. Pete's facial expression changes.

[omid17]

I have it on Bluray so I can clearly see his face in beautiful HD....and as far as his face showing he knew, not so much. Stop the video at 11 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilg2KCoGKO0&feature=relatedi think it was because the symbiote screwed around with petes senses

[DACMAN]

The symbiote wasn't even on him yet.:huh:

And the symbiote is suppose to enhance his powers not mess them up.

[DACMAN]

I have it on BluRay. You can CLEARLY see Peter with a look of confusion on his face. Like he knows something is coming. It's a split second before Harry grabs him. Pete's facial expression changes.

They change right as he's grabbed. But even still, there is no obvious indication that it went off. It should be obvious in one way or another. When he dodged the pumkin bomb later on it was pretty obvious his spider-sense went off. My wife even caught that. But the fact we're talking about what his face may or may have not done a split second before he was grabbed shows they didn't high-light it enough. Not to mention we even have a scene almost just like that in the second showing how he'd act if something was right behind him coming at him.

2:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7heDN0UoAQ


I maintain that they didn't show anything. I wish they did but they didn't.

[omid17]

The symbiote wasn't even on him yet.:huh:

And the symbiote is suppose to enhance his powers not mess them up.it was on his bike, it didn't have control over him yet, im just saying maby the symbiote distracted his spidey sense. He dodged goblins glider at the end of the first film, he dodged the car in the second, but he couldn't sense something coming at him a mile away which was weird for me but In SM2 you see him do that back flip but he kida turned his head and then did. Pretty much it's harder for him to concentrate when he's on his riding his bike

[DACMAN]

Pretty much it's harder for him to concentrate when he's on his riding his bike

I thought that we just covered that his spider-sense warned him about the car in the second while on his bike?

[snakeinthegear]

I like Greg Weisman's take on it:

wasn't the sense acting as a precog device something that was established from the offset in the comics?? As I recall, Peter was dazed, groggy and barely conscious. He had no clue of where he was or what he was doing, he was just stumbling and his spider-sense kicked in and forced him to jump out of harmsway from a speeding vehicle.

Now, with regards to the movies, obviously we can't have the spider-sense e depicted as going off all the time (the example in the foirst post explains this and the peter/harry scene in sm3 is a great example of this working wonderfully). However, when needed to be shown and with consistency for that matter, the movie makers need to understand that this is a film based on a comic book. There is no loss of integrity with incoporating fantastical elements, particularly if the audience already is aware of the genre and subject matter. Lets see some freaky creative artistry in depicting the spider-sense. Afterall, it's just a movie.

[bullets]

I guess i'll go with greg weisman's take on this but I would like to see it used more often .

[LastSunrise1981]

Doesn't change the fact Harry should have set it off. And just because Sam was forced to do something doesn't give him a blank check to screw it up.

I do agree. I didn't get the impression that he knew Harry was coming. I'm not saying I agree with Raimi's depiction or anything.