which spidey power has been given the LEAST justice? [Archive]

spider-neil

09-10-2009, 11:14 AM

I torn between his spider sense and his wall crawling. the has only been ONE scene where I truly thought 'bloody heck he is sticking to the side of (insert surface) and that was in spiderman 2 when he is looking for doc ock (who had moved under the train) and spider crawls down the side of the train to follow. that was freaking awesome.

I would just like a scene where they show him in his bedroom (for example) and without wacky camera angles or CG just have him crawl up the wall. you know the trick where the room turns but the camera remains relative with with the room and all the objects in the room glued down so gravity doesn't affect it.

Venom 1988

09-10-2009, 11:42 AM

I say either his Spider-Sense or Webshooters.

spider-neil

09-10-2009, 01:12 PM

or Webshooters.

how do you mean? there have been web nets, impact webbing, he was webbed a car in place, that's just off the top of my head.

Oscorp

09-10-2009, 01:25 PM

I voted "wall crawling". I want to see him move like a spider, sneaking on people. I think we've only seen him done that a few times (Spider-Man and Spider-Man 3), but not good enough.

LexCorp

09-10-2009, 01:30 PM

Well the whole sense thing has been given the least attention but I really do not see it as a problem.

Steyin

09-10-2009, 01:38 PM

Aside from his power of wisecracking, I'd say his range of web attacks. Everything else has been fine.

Venom 1988

09-10-2009, 01:38 PM

how do you mean? there have been web nets, impact webbing, he was webbed a car in place, that's just off the top of my head.

Not the webbing itself, but the lack of actual webshooters and giving us organic webbing has just been a pet peeve of mine of the movies.

King of Kings

09-10-2009, 01:43 PM

Not the webbing itself, but the lack of actual webshooters and giving us organic webbing has just been a pet peeve of mine of the movies.

That and the webshooters showed off his intellectual brilliance.

spider-neil

09-10-2009, 04:09 PM

That and the webshooters showed off his intellectual brilliance.

I can see why they got rid of the web shooters;

1. a spider gave him his powers, it would be odd it gave him every ability of the spider except the ability to spin webs probably what a spider is most famous for.

2. would the man on the street buy a teenager could invent a contraption that is the width of a pianwire but with the tensile strength of steel, can stick to any surface but dissolve after an hour? also, even if they bought that they would probably wonder why on this green earth he hasn't patented it and made himself rich rather than living in a run down flat and working as a pizza delivery boy.

Oscorp

09-10-2009, 04:33 PM

I think his web should be organic, but that he had to make the webshooters to "concentrate" the webbing and make it easier to control. Something like that...

Venom 1988

09-10-2009, 04:48 PM

^^^
That was actually the original idea they were gong with, and even filmed some scenes involving this. Ultimately it was cut for whatever reason

Venomfan

09-10-2009, 07:50 PM

would the man on the street buy a teenager could invent a contraption that is the width of a pianwire but with the tensile strength of steel, can stick to any surface but dissolve after an hour? also, even if they bought that they would probably wonder why on this green earth he hasn't patented it and made himself rich rather than living in a run down flat and working as a pizza delivery boy.
in the comics Reed Richards once commented that Peter is as smart as he was at that age, and Reed is the smartest man on earth so no one should have any trouble buying that.

oh and for the questions, it has to be spider-sense. just watch spider-man 3, its embarressing how many times he gets knocked around when his spider-sense should have gone off. the best example is harry attacking Peter while he's riding his motor bike. why the heck didn't his spider-sense go off?

LastSunrise1981

09-11-2009, 02:07 AM

I'd say it's a combination between spider-sense and wall crawling. We haven't seen him utilize his wall-crawling abilities in an amazing fashion.

spider-neil

09-11-2009, 04:18 AM

I'd say it's a combination between spider-sense and wall crawling. We haven't seen him utilize his wall-crawling abilities in an amazing fashion.

no we have not. there is a terrific scene in early amazing spider-man where fancy dan (one of the enforces) throws spidey against a wall, spidey feet stick to the wall and whilst keeping ahold of fancy dan's wrist he spins him around and drops him on the floor. brilliant move that would look amazing on the big screen.

spider-neil

09-11-2009, 04:21 AM

in the comics Reed Richards once commented that Peter is as smart as he was at that age, and Reed is the smartest man on earth so no one should have any trouble buying that.

oh and for the questions, it has to be spider-sense. just watch spider-man 3, its embarressing how many times he gets knocked around when his spider-sense should have gone off. the best example is harry attacking Peter while he's riding his motor bike. why the heck didn't his spider-sense go off?

in the movies (imho) peter comes across as bright and better than average intelligence but doesn't come across (at least to me) as a genuis in the same way batman doesn't come across as a detective although he has done 'some' detective work. neither character does enough to establish that part of their MO.

The Slang

09-11-2009, 06:30 AM

I think his web should be organic, but that he had to make the webshooters to "concentrate" the webbing and make it easier to control. Something like that...

How would you feel about parker generating a mutant silk protein in his body (say in his sweat glands, or tear ducts) and then extracting this and combining it with rubbers/adhesives and other chemicals to produce his web fluid. He would then fill pressurized cartidges/canisters with the web fluid and fire it from wrist mounted gas guns. To me this seems like a good idea, but I don't know if other people will find some fault with. I don't see how this would be worse than organic web shooters. Can I ask for your opinions?

And about the topic, I would have liked to see more of spider-man moving in a quick inhuman fashion across walls. The spider-sense and strength were never portrayed consistently. He could stop the train but not KO ock?

Hectorminator

09-11-2009, 06:45 AM

Leenie

09-11-2009, 10:11 AM

Have to go with spider sense ... They were almost nonexistent in Spider-Man 3. If Spider-Man 3 had showcased the use of spider senses earlier on in the movie, then Spidey's fight with Venom would have been much better and much more suspenseful.

One of the best things about Venom is that the spider senses don't work on him. I couldn't believe that a detail like THAT was left out of the movie.

Oscorp

09-11-2009, 11:40 AM

^^^
That was actually the original idea they were gong with, and even filmed some scenes involving this. Ultimately it was cut for whatever reason

Damn, that would have been perfect imo. He wouldn't need to be out of cartridges, but by making the webshooters he'd still prove to us what kind of genious he actually is. I hope the reason for them to cut it off was good.

How would you feel about parker generating a mutant silk protein in his body (say in his sweat glands, or tear ducts) and then extracting this and combining it with rubbers/adhesives and other chemicals to produce his web fluid. He would then fill pressurized cartidges/canisters with the web fluid and fire it from wrist mounted gas guns. To me this seems like a good idea, but I don't know if other people will find some fault with. I don't see how this would be worse than organic web shooters. Can I ask for your opinions?

That would be cool too since that would show off his great knowledge of chemics. However, I think only having the webshooters to concentrate his web would be abit easier to explain on screen but still show his intelligence. I don't know, I'm not against your idea though.

And about the topic, I would have liked to see more of spider-man moving in a quick inhuman fashion across walls.

Exactly what I meant in my first post too. I want him to seem inhuman at times.

Joker

09-11-2009, 12:26 PM

Pete has enough strength to lift a warehouse before it can crush MJ, but when he punches overweight scientist Otto Octavius, IN THE FACE REPEATEDLY, nothing happens.

Sorry, everyone, but his power that has been given the LEAST justice is his super-strength.

Nonsense. Spidey pulls his punches. What did you want him to do, put his fist thru Ock's face and kill him? This was not the Doc Ock of the comics. This Doc Ock had A.I. wired into his brain and central nervous system. He wasn't going to lose consciousness.

Spidey's strength is the best documented power so far. Especially in Spider-Man 2.

venomvsspidey

09-11-2009, 01:21 PM

Nonsense. Spidey pulls his punches. What did you want him to do, put his fist thru Ock's face and kill him? This was not the Doc Ock of the comics. This Doc Ock had A.I. wired into his brain and central nervous system. He wasn't going to lose consciousness.

Spidey's strength is the best documented power so far. Especially in Spider-Man 2.

that would have been shocking, yet hilarious.

Pete : YOURE DONE OTTO!!
Ock : No...my calculations are--*POW*
Pete : Oops...:hehe:

NinjaTurtleFan

09-11-2009, 04:01 PM

His gift of gab hasn't been given the fair screen treatment. I mean when are we going to see more of Spidey's wisecracking powers. I'm not saying he has to be a motormouth, zinging people all the time with disses and one-liners, but I'd love to see more of him being a joker.

Immortalfire

09-11-2009, 04:09 PM

Spider-Sense...no question about it. Did it even go off in Spidey 3?

LexCorp

09-11-2009, 04:12 PM

in the movies (imho) peter comes across as bright and better than average intelligence but doesn't come across (at least to me) as a genuis in the same way batman doesn't come across as a detective although he has done 'some' detective work. neither character does enough to establish that part of their MO.

I agree that movie Peter is not portrayed as a genius or just plain smart....he is more nerdy...

venomvsspidey

09-11-2009, 04:25 PM

Spider-Sense...no question about it. Did it even go off in Spidey 3?

yeah it did. we just didnt hear the schowww sound effect. look at peter's face split seconds before the 1st fight with harry. it's all screwed-up

Joker

09-11-2009, 05:51 PM

yeah it did. we just didnt hear the schowww sound effect. look at peter's face split seconds before the 1st fight with harry. it's all screwed-up

I don't count that as his spider sense going off. If it did go off, he would have reacted alot quicker, like he did when the car came flying at him and MJ in the cafe in SM-2. Or when the thieves' car ran over his scooter when he was on his way to MJ's play.

LexCorp

09-11-2009, 06:03 PM

Just a quick question but can you ever suprise Spiderman? I mean would he know a birthday party was right behind the door etc.....or does it work when fighting only?

venomvsspidey

09-11-2009, 10:52 PM

I don't count that as his spider sense going off. If it did go off, he would have reacted alot quicker, like he did when the car came flying at him and MJ in the cafe in SM-2. Or when the thieves' car ran over his scooter when he was on his way to MJ's play.

it looked like he was about to react IMO, then before he could Harry got him

Spider-ManHero12

09-12-2009, 12:15 AM

it looked like he was about to react IMO, then before he could Harry got him I pretty much agree with you fully. It's argueable, but I do think it whent off in that scene.

That person

09-12-2009, 01:43 AM

The Slang

09-12-2009, 04:47 AM

Just a quick question but can you ever suprise Spiderman? I mean would he know a birthday party was right behind the door etc.....or does it work when fighting only?

Far as I know, his spider sense is only triggered by something that poses a threat. Not sure if he'd detect a surprise party. I've also seen him use his spider-sense to track someone after losing eye contact... in the symbiote saga of the 90s cartoon series, spidey was able to use his sense to deduce which door shocker had used while chasing him.

Also his spider-sense only gives him a split second warning, so if he's airbourne or preoccupied in someway when it's triggered he may not have any way to react in time.

spider-neil

09-12-2009, 06:42 AM

let's be honest here, spider-man spider sense is handled inconsistanly in the COMICS let alone the movies

some writers use the spider sense like a psychic power
* sensing if someone is watching him when he unmasks
* sensing if a character is evil even if that character poses no immediate threat to spidey (i.e. if he were to shake lex luther's hand having never meet him before)

some writers use it as a plot device
* there is a issue of marvel team 70 where spidey is in the process of disarming a bomb, three switches, spidey reaches for the first - warning, spidey reaches for the second - warning, spidey reaches for the third - nothing, he cuts the wire and defuses the bomb.
erm, you'd think his spider sesne would be going off ALL THE TIME he is standning in front of a fricking bomb

some writers use it for everything
* in some spidey books NO ONE can sneak up on spidey friend or foe (except venom obviously)

spidey's spider sense sould be used to sense danger (IMMEDIATE danger) and nothing else.
* if a freind tries to sneak up on him - nothing
* if a gunman has a shotgun under his coat and walks by spidey - nothing
* if a villian shakes his hand and he is unaware of the villian's plans - nothing

ground spidey's spider sense and make it more consistant in the comics it's out of control

mjbull23

09-12-2009, 12:23 PM

I'd like to see these movies delve a littler further into just how creatively he can use his webbing for given circumstances.

For instance, what if with nary a twist of the wrist we see Web-Lines, Web-Shields, Web-Trampolines, Web-Parachutes, Web-Bandages, Web-Plugs,Web-Gloves , Web-Domes , Web-Swings, and with a great deal of practice, even this handy-dandy Web-Hang-Glider.

snakeinthegear

09-12-2009, 01:30 PM

Truthfully, spider-man is under developed as a character as well as all his powers and abilities. Naturally, it's his spider-sense that has been neglected the most but that's understandable. We don't need to see it in full effect. However, the crime is, spider-man shouldn't be getting tagged as often as he does and in such a spectacularly blatant way too. There are ways to showcase his spider-sense working without turning it into the spectacle that we saw in sm1 and sm2 (flash fight and cafe car scene respectively).

Spidey needs to do a whole lot more wall crawling, more inhuman limb-bedning acrobatics, showcase his speed, do more creative stuff with his webbing i.e. web cacoons, swing WITH BOTH arms and for the love of all that is holy, KEEP HIS MASK ON!

Adrian89

09-12-2009, 02:08 PM

I think all of them were given justice, however if I had to choose I would go with the spider sense, probably because it was used less, but still, they did justice to all of his abilities in my oppinion.

GhostPoet

09-16-2009, 02:39 PM

LastSunrise1981

09-16-2009, 05:41 PM

Man, that's a tough call. But i'm probably gonna say Spider Sense. And I want to hear him say "Uh oh, my spider sense is tingling"

I almost said wall crawling, but we've seen that enough...at least more than spider sense.

I don't think we've seen enough wall crawling at all. I would've loved to have seen him climb under the train when fighting Doc Ock.

My dream fight on the big screen would be Spidey facing the Lizard in the sewers. Basically have it be a tight sequence where Spidey is utilizing his reflexes, wall crawling abilities, and speed.

terry78

09-17-2009, 02:06 PM

Off topic as others have said, the humor needs to be there. Spider-Man is honestly the only one who finds his commentary amusing, even other heroes are like, "shut the hell up" at times, and showcasing that to both villains and civilians he may be talking to would add a lot to the character.

As far as actual powuhs go, I want to see the strength showcased a little better. I know the whole thing with the train and the thing with the giant wall hold were examples, but I want to see a full screen shot of him like lifting a car off somebody, or using something as a tool or weapon in a fight that no normal human could use.

DACMAN

09-17-2009, 09:36 PM

Spider-sense by a mile. We didn't see it once in 3. Though it might have been what saved him from the pumpkin bomb thrown by Harry. But why didn't it go off when Harry grabbed him off his bike? And I'm still waiting for a scene where his spider-sense saves him from gun fire.

And who the heck said strength? He stopped a train in the 2nd movie! He caugh a trame full of kids in the first! He ripped a sewer grate out of concrete and slammed metal pipes into solid cement in the 3rd! The only thing he hasn't done is lift a car.

DACMAN

09-17-2009, 09:43 PM

swing WITH BOTH arms and for the love of all that is holy, KEEP HIS MASK ON!I agree with keeping his mask on. But what do you mean about the arms thing? He swung from both arms a couple of times through out the three films.

at 00:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGHv4vuBGMU

Is that what you mean?

Infinity9999x

09-19-2009, 02:55 PM

Just a quick question but can you ever suprise Spiderman? I mean would he know a birthday party was right behind the door etc.....or does it work when fighting only?

Depends on the writer. In some stores, MJ can't even playfully surprise Peter, while in others it only works if the "surpriser" has malicious intent.

Spidey17

09-23-2009, 04:33 PM

I would have to say his intelligence is somewhat well represented, at least in the 2nd movie. Only his cunning is seen in the first, and I've only watched S3 once like 2 years ago, and I'll die happy if I never see any non-battle scenes from that travesty ever again.

DACMAN

09-23-2009, 08:21 PM

He couldn't have been more off on the character of Spider-man. In fact, Spider-man wasn't even a character, he was Peter in a suit, and that is not Spider-man.

Peter especially in his early years, became a different person in the Spider-man suit. Just like Bruce Wayne becomes a different person in the Batman suit. As Spider-man, Peter finally gets an outlet to express the confidence he doesn't have as Peter Parker. This is why Spider-man is a jabber mouth when he's fighting his enemies. That and because Peter has said that he thinks he'd go crazy from the fear of battle if he didn't run his mouth to distract himself.

The cocky attitude and quips are essential to Spider-man's character. Having Spider-man remain a near mute as he did in Raimi's movies is just as wrong for the character of Spider-man as it would be to have Batman cracking witty one liners.

By basically eliminating this aspect of the character, Raimi failed to show us Peter's confident side, and it also removes a reason for people to believe that Peter is not Spider-man, because Spider-man is much more vocal and boisterous then Peter.

And in regards to the character of Peter Parker, Raimi barley showed us any of Peter's intelligence, and completley disregarded his engineering skills. Peter does not merely spout a few intelligent sounding sentences like he does in the movies, he actually creates and invents things. Raimi showed us none of that.

Also, by the time Peter was in colledge he much more confident as Peter Parker. Raimi didn't show us that either, he had Peter act the way he did in highschool, which wasn't accurate to the character.

Raimi did an average job on Peter's character, but he left much to be desired.

You pretty much hit it right on the head!

SpiderByte

09-24-2009, 03:29 PM

Personally, I think their all pretty well shown. Spider-Sense has actually been used quite a bit, although not in slow-motion sequences like in the first and second films. His reflexes are sort of his reaction to his spider sense, like when he's being snuck up on from behind.

Remember, Spider-Sense only really tells Spidey that he's in danger. It doesnt tell him exactly what the danger is, only that there is danger and (apparently) the approximate area the danger is coming from.

DACrowe

09-26-2009, 07:35 PM

spider sense. All his other powers have been actually very well shown.

Slipeor

10-15-2009, 03:22 PM

which spidey power has been given the LEAST justice in the movies?

His power to dance like a douchebag. Oh wait....

SpiderByte

10-15-2009, 04:33 PM

ROFL.

I hated how he did that in the thid film. It made me laugh, but he acts like a pimp during that whole sequence.

Hypestyle

10-21-2009, 09:36 PM

no gadgets at all so far.. that sucks..

venomvsspidey

10-21-2009, 09:51 PM

ROFL.

I hated how he did that in the thid film. It made me laugh, but he acts like a pimp during that whole sequence.

:cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad:

spider-man is a pimp damnit!

gwen, MJ, Liz, betty...

SpiderByte

10-21-2009, 10:16 PM

Just Gwen and MJ (flirting with Betty doesn't count)...for now........

Jokey

10-25-2009, 09:49 AM

I think all of the powers have been addressed pretty well.

AVEITWITHJAMON

10-25-2009, 12:38 PM

Definately his Spider sense, too many times hie has been sucker punched in the movies when his spider sense should have been going off.

I dont know why they didnt show it going off but Peter simply wasnt quick enough to dodge the attack.

SpiderByte

10-25-2009, 01:26 PM

Remember, Spider-sense only tells him there IS danger. It doesn't tell him the speed its coming at, only how much danger and approximately where its coming from.

drmick

10-30-2009, 08:49 PM

Remember, Spider-sense only tells him there IS danger. It doesn't tell him the speed its coming at, only how much danger and approximately where its coming from.

I disagree. The scene in the 1st film with the spitball and paper aeroplane proves that.

Let's see:
Wall-crawling? Check.
Webbing? Check.
Agility? Check.
Swinging? Check.
Strength? Hmmm.... maybe.
Genius? Nope.
Wisecracks? Barely.
Spider-sense? Writers would rather forget about.
Actual masculinity? As masculine as a macho seahorse.

Octoberist

10-30-2009, 09:00 PM

Genius? Nope? You sure about that? I was positive it was mentioned a number of times how Peter's a smart guy.

drmick

11-01-2009, 09:55 AM

Genius? Nope? You sure about that? I was positive it was mentioned a number of times how Peter's a smart guy.

Hmmmm......

Let's look at the reasons for and against:

For:
Won the high school science prize (woopy doo!)
Understands undergraduate level physics (a bit better)

Against:
Get's hit on the head by Bonesaw
Is always late and always disorganised
Is unable to make any decent money despite his "genius"
Acts like a girl in romantic matters
Is unable to make any money despite his Spider powers

Some of those criticisms are equally valid towards his comicbook persona too. It's a bugbear of mine. We are consistently told that Peter is a "genius". He's rated 5/7 for intelligence in OHOTMU, which is usually one more than most of the other "genius" characters. Yet, if you were really that clever, you'd be a lot more successful in life.

In summary, he's above average intelligence, smart if you will. As smart as your accountant, but not as smart as your dentist. :)