State your unpopular film related opinion

[Blackman]

I agree about Blade Runner. I thought visually it was way ahead of his time and cool to look at, but I just found it boring as hell

[misjuevos]

i enjoyed seeing the flying car pass the bigass buildings in the beginning. that was a great bit of visual style. but yea i also found the movie boring.

though im still waitin for my flashlight umbrella,lol

[bonoferox]

Blade Runner I've tried to watch no less than 5 times and still can't get through it.

Same with 2001: A Space Odyssey

[some guy]

Blade Runner I've tried to watch no less than 5 times and still can't get through it.

Same with 2001: A Space Odyssey
I can appreciate 2001 from a technical standpoint, but the film just leaves me cold.

[Doctor Jones]

I'll probably go on a limb and say that's probably not all that unpopular. Seems everyone and their mother loves The Departed. Seems those who don't like it or think it's overrated are in the minority.

I just meant one of his best. Do critics altogether think The Departed is one of his best? I know they said best in a long time, but I meant just one of his best. If this is true then I'm wrong. :oldrazz:

[Doctor Jones]

I also prefer 28 Days Later over Dawn of the Dead. The original is good, and I love the social commentaries, but I think it could have been more scary. I realize the social commentary was the focal point but am I not the only one who thinks it could have been a bit scarier?

Hell, I really liked the remake of Dawn of the Dead.

And running infected are fine. They're just as scary as walking dead. The tunnel scene in 28 Days Later, there would be the same amount of tension if there were alot of walkers coming at them.

[Tron Bonne]

I just meant one of his best. Do critics altogether htink The Departed is one of his best? I know they said best in a long time, but I meant just one of his best. If this is true then I'm wrong. :oldrazz:

Oh, I don't know about that then. I wouldn't be surprised, though, there was pretty much nothing but unrelenting praise about how it was the second coming of film when it first came out from what I remember.

[Chris Wallace]

I don't get all the hate for Tyler Perry. I enjoy his films immensely and think his repertoire-particularly the "Madea" character-is harshly misjudged by those who can't see the method to his madness.
I think Dane Cook, Dax Shepard and Jason Biggs need to all go away. They're not funny, they're annoying and they bring down the entertainment value of anything they touch.

[VenomVsSpidey]

I feel the polar opposite :oldrazz:

[SuperFerret]

I hate Tyler Perry on the same principle that I hate many authors (particularly James ****ing Patterson :argh:). Your name should not be emphasized more than the title of the book/film you wrote/did something with, you egotistical nobody.

[BigSams50]

I hate Tyler Perry because i dont think anything he does is funny

[SuperFerret]

I'd probably agree if I was able to get past his friggin' name and the rage that it elicts.

[Dark Victory]

didnt like bladerunner. some scenes were cool but the overall film i didnt like. maybe its because i saw it only recently. some films dont age well.

If anything, Blade Runner's depth and complexity have stood the test of time.

[-Arya-]

It's probably a film I should revisit at some point, but I really don't want to. I've seen it twice and while I really admired the technique of the film(these are after all the same people who made "2001"), I still really hated it. It's the first "great movie" I've seen where I totally disagreed with everyone else.
Oddly enough I had a similar feeling until I revisited it again and again. It's now my favorite movie of all time. Perhaps it'll happen with you...or maybe not.

[Watchman]

I can appreciate 2001 from a technical standpoint, but the film just leaves me cold.

That's one of the biggest complaints I hear about 2001, and many other Kubrick films, but I disagree. 2001 has one scene that always gets me.

Well embedding is not working for me so here's the link. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85wCw3ArNhs&feature=related)

[Max J Power]

I just meant one of his best. Do critics altogether think The Departed is one of his best? I know they said best in a long time, but I meant just one of his best. If this is true then I'm wrong. :oldrazz:
I think it more like "best in a long time." I don't remember The Departed showing up on any "best of the decade" lists, so I think its impact has lessened since its release. I thought it was one of the best of the decade, though.

[Blackman]

- I dont care about how much of a "CGI fest" they are, I liked the lighsaber battles in the PT than the OT. I liked the energy in them, the choreography and that they talked less...however whenever they talked in the PT the dialogue was :dry:
-Last Crusade>>>>Raiders

[scatterax]

I didn't enjoy the departed. It was a pretty good movie and i can see why it got so much attention and it prolly deserved the oscar more than any other film nominated, but to me it just wasn't all that entertaining. maybe i'm just not a big fan of dramas but i felt like it dragged on. i mean I liked the story and everything but that cake just needed more icing imo.

[Midnyte_Sun]

I never enjoyed, nor watched fully any Star Wars movie.

[Parker Wayne]

I just meant one of his best. Do critics altogether think The Departed is one of his best? I know they said best in a long time, but I meant just one of his best. If this is true then I'm wrong. :oldrazz:

I agree. I put The Departed in the second tier of Scorsese films, below the big three.

I hate Tyler Perry on the same principle that I hate many authors (particularly James ****ing Patterson :argh:). Your name should not be emphasized more than the title of the book/film you wrote/did something with, you egotistical nobody.

This.

I hate Tyler Perry because i dont think anything he does is funny

And this.


Though the funny thing was that I actually liked his cameo in the Star Trek film. I thought it was cool.

[Dark Victory]

Regarding Tyler Perry, as much as I hate him, the guy knows how to make bank. He probably majored in business, not film.:oldrazz:

[Doctor Jones]

When Tyler Perry showed up, I heard people go, "Is that Tyler Perry??"

It was pretty funny. I half expected him to turn into Madea and slap Kirk.

[Doctor Jones]

I think it more like "best in a long time." I don't remember The Departed showing up on any "best of the decade" lists, so I think its impact has lessened since its release. I thought it was one of the best of the decade, though.

I'd say both. :woot: Yeah, I just loved how raw and in your face it was, while making it compelling. You need to see it twice. There is alot of plot going on. The first time I watched it, I didn't catch some of the connections to everything. But personally, I'd put it right below Raging Bull and Goodfellas. Raging Bull was the 80's best film from a cinematic standpoint. Entertainment wise? It's a grocery list.

I mean DiCaprio, Damon, Nicholson, Whalberg, Sheen, Winstone, and Baldwin all in the same ****ing movie? Man oh man. :awesome::awesome::awesome:

Yop Five Scorsese:

Goodfellas
The Departed
Raging Bull
Cape Fear
The Aviator and Shutter Island are interchangeable

I'd put Taxi Driver and Mean Streets below my top five.

[Bruce Banner]

I'd say both. :woot: Yeah, I just loved how raw and in your face it was, while making it compelling. You need to see it twice. There is alot of plot going on. The first time I watched it, I didn't catch some of the connections to everything. But personally, I'd put it right below Raging Bull and Goodfellas. Raging Bull was the 80's best film from a cinematic standpoint. Entertainment wise? It's a grocery list.

I mean DiCaprio, Damon, Nicholson, Whalberg, Sheen, Winstone, and Baldwin all in the same ****ing movie? Man oh man. :awesome::awesome::awesome:

Yop Five Scorsese:

Goodfellas
The Departed
Raging Bull
Cape Fear
The Aviator and Shutter Island are interchangeable

I'd put Taxi Driver and Mean Streets below my top five.

No love for Bringing out The Dead Doctor Jones?

[Doctor Jones]

Bringing Out The Dead was pretty good, but not one of my favorites.

[Bruce Banner]

^In regards to me mentioning Bringing Out The Dead.

Between this and Taxi Driver, for me the former has better replay value.

[Dark Victory]

No love for Bringing out The Dead Doctor Jones?


:up:

Bringing Out the Dead is such an overlooked gem.

[El Payaso]

I never enjoyed, nor watched fully any Star Wars movie.

Then watch them.

I saw the first three movies and didn't enjoy them too much. They were okay, they set a new level in technology and introduced a new style. Much like Avatar, which I didn't enjoy too much either.

[Dark Victory]

Disliking The Big Lebowski isn't metaphysically possible.

[Parker Wayne]

I never enjoyed, nor watched fully any Star Wars movie.

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JK. I just really want to use that pic. :oldrazz::woot:

[Parker Wayne]

Disliking The Big Lebowski isn't metaphysically possible.

I feel the same way about Rocky.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, you have to like Rocky in some way or another. If that isn't the case, then you're pretty cynical. It's such a great character study. I love how honest and true it is. It has so much heart. Stallone wrote an incredible screenplay.

I love the moment after Rocky yells at Mickey in his apartment, and Mickey sadly walks down the stairs and out of the building, then a few moments later, Rocky runs out and catches up to Mickey. There are no words, just image and music and it does it much better than many other movies can do with words. Just imagining what he's saying and everything that went behind it for the two characters is very emotional.

[CBGB]

Disliking The Big Lebowski isn't metaphysically possible.

It's one of the closest examples of a perfect film. Same with Rocky as well.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I've never been in love with The Big Lebowski. Last time I watched all of it, I thought it was alright, but nothing to get excited over. However, I was watching some of it on TV Guide the other day and felt different about it. Maybe I should give it another watch.

"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps."

[Doctor Jones]

I think that's the edited version. Therefore edited versions always suck.

It's, "You see what happens when you **** a stranger in the ASS??!!"

[Parker Wayne]

Yeah, you have to like Rocky in some way or another. If that isn't the case, then you're pretty cynical. It's such a great character study. I love how honest and true it is. It has so much heart. Stallone wrote an incredible screenplay.

I love the moment after Rocky yells at Mickey in his apartment, and Mickey sadly walks down the stairs and out of the building, then a few moments later, Rocky runs out and catches up to Mickey. There are no words, just image and music and it does it much better than many other movies can do with words. Just imagining what he's saying and everything that went behind it for the two characters is very emotional.

Too bad Stallone could never repeat that critcal success he had and resorted to actions films. :csad:

[gwynplaine]

Nowhere near the masterpiece that is Rocky, but I thought that Stallone was also pretty good in First Blood and the underrated Copland.

[Doctor Jones]

Haven't seen Cop Land. I've heard mixed things about it.

He was cool in First Blood. And he was good in the last scene with him pouring his soul of memories out to the colonel.

Rocky was like a bolt of lightening for Stallone. That came from the heart and soul. The screenplay is a demonstarion of how deep a person can get when writing.

[CrimsonMist]

John Boorman's "ZARDOZ" is 106 minutes of pure self-indulgent brilliance.

If you can get past Sean Connery's dopey costume, you'll find a rather layered movie that says alot about the evils of Utopia, and how we're most likely better off the way we are. Atleast that's what I got from it. I thought it was wonderful.

and I may have to watch it again(i've only seen it once), but if the ending is what one may assume it is, then the ending to Inception is perhaps the bleakest ending I've seen in a while.

[scatterax]

I don't like modern horror films at all. it bugs me that they rely on and focus more on violence and "shock" than actual suspence.

there all bassically about finding new ways for people to bleed.

[Figs]

Haven't seen Cop Land. I've heard mixed things about it.

He was cool in First Blood. And he was good in the last scene with him pouring his soul of memories out to the colonel.

Rocky was like a bolt of lightening for Stallone. That came from the heart and soul. The screenplay is a demonstarion of how deep a person can get when writing.

I really liked Cop Land. Had a good cast and I thought it was one of Stallone's better performances.

I don't like modern horror films at all. it bugs me that they rely on and focus more on violence and "shock" than actual suspence.

there all bassically about finding new ways for people to bleed.

I ain't got time to bleed!

Seriously though, I do agree. More horror film makers need to study Hitchcock films to get audiences scared and on the edge of their seats.

[Chris Wallace]

I don't think there will ever be a truly great Superman movie.

[Doctor Jones]

At this point, I don't blame people for the doubt. But to say it will never happen? Come on man... it's possible. People thought the same thing when B&R came out I'm sure. People thought the franchise was dead. I think superhero films need Superman. And that means a great film can be made out of it. WB has no ****ing idea how to handle the character. I mean turning it over to Nolan says so.

[Doctor Jones]

I have no interest in anime. It's just not my sort of thing. I'm not saying they all suck, it's just they've never interested me.

Nor do I have interest in Woody Allen films.

[Parker Wayne]

At this point, I don't blame people for the doubt. But to say it will never happen? Come on man... it's possible. People thought the same thing when B&R came out I'm sure. People thought the franchise was dead. I think superhero films need Superman. And that means a great film can be made out of it. WB has no ****ing idea how to handle the character. I mean turning it over to Nolan says so.

I don't think its WB's fault now as it wars 20 something years ago with the failures of Superman 3 and 4. I believe they tried to make Superman Returns a hit but they just hired the wrong director for the film. Instead of moving on from the Donnerverse Bryan Singer continued on and underwhelmed filmgoers with the film. To make matter worse the failures of his film meant now Superman films for a while.

[Max J Power]

I have no interest in anime. It's just not my sort of thing. I'm not saying they all suck, it's just they've never interested me.

Nor do I have interest in Woody Allen films.
Why not?

[gwynplaine]

I have no interest in anime. It's just not my sort of thing. I'm not saying they all suck, it's just they've never interested me.

Nor do I have interest in Woody Allen films.
Doctor Jones, you're missing out on some great films.

[Crockett]

I have no interest in anime. It's just not my sort of thing. I'm not saying they all suck, it's just they've never interested me.


Well have you watch movies from Studio Ghibli? If not, I highly suggest that you one day watch Sprited Away, is a really good movie to start with. Studio Ghibli are like the japanese equivalent to Pixar.

[Tron Bonne]

I have no interest in anime. It's just not my sort of thing. I'm not saying they all suck, it's just they've never interested me.

Nor do I have interest in Woody Allen films.

I always kind of find it odd how people refer to 'anime' like it's a genre like horror or drama. It's essentially the same as saying you have no interest in film or television or books or comics. I mean, I can understand not liking some things, but closing off anything and everything from an entire medium has always seemed very strange to me.

Well have you watch movies from Studio Ghibli? If not, I highly suggest that you one day watch Sprited Away, is a really good movie to start with. Studio Ghibli are like the japanese equivalent to Pixar.

I think this will lead me to the unpopular opinion that, generally speaking, Studio Ghibli is better than Pixar :o

Very unpopular, I'm sure, but I bet Lasseter probably wouldn't totally disagree :yay:

[Dark Victory]

I have no interest in anime. It's just not my sort of thing. I'm not saying they all suck, it's just they've never interested me.

Most anime shows/movies don't appeal to me at all, but then I found out about FLCL and Cowboy Bebop. Watch them. NAO.

Nor do I have interest in Woody Allen films.

Had the same opinion 'til I checked out Manhattan on a lazy Sunday. Give his stuff a try; ****'s good.

[-Arya-]

Nor do I have interest in Woody Allen films.
Annie Hall will change your mind.

[CrimsonMist]

Annie Hall will change your mind.

I was the same way until I saw Annie Hall. And then I saw Broadway Danny Rose. :hrt:

His movies are wonderful.

[Tron Bonne]

Annie Hall is pretty great, that was my introduction to Woody Allen.

[david icke]

Yeah, Annie Hall is a great movie, I also really like 'Play it again Sam', the one he wrote but did not direct. They are both must sees.

edit: Also, 'Manhattan', and his segment of 'New York Stories', the antholgy movie he did with Scorsese and Coppola, coppola's segment of that movie is unwatchable crap.

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, Annie Hall is a great movie, I also really like 'Play it again Sam', the one he wrote but did not direct. They are both must sees.

Yeah, I really enjoyed that one, too. He did that with Diane Keaton as well, right? They made a great team in both films

[david icke]

Yeah, I really enjoyed that one, too. He did that with Diane Keaton as well, right? They made a great team in both films

Yeah, that's right, they are a great team. I think those two are his funniest ones. Bananas and Take the Money and Run are pretty funny, but the ones dealing with real life stuff while being comedies at the same time are much better.

[Doctor Jones]

Anime just flat out doesn't interest me. Just like romantic comedies don't interest me. I don't see how it's odd at all. It's all a matter of taste.

I'll check out a Woody Allen film when I have no idea what else to put on my queue. They would probably be last on my queue anyway. But I'm in no rush to watch them. They can wait.

[david icke]

Man, I have not watched them in years, but i think I still have Play it Again Sam on tape somewhere, i feel like going into my videocupboard and tracking it down, even though it is amongst some 400 odd tapes, it is that funny.
Forget everything you know about Woody Allen, forget he is even famous, and just think of them as comedy movies people have recommended to you. I can almost guarantee you will laugh a lot at AH and PIAS.
they are not only great comedies, but in a way they are tailor made for movie fans, by that i mean, movie buffs.

[Tron Bonne]

Anime just flat out doesn't interest me. Just like romantic comedies don't interest me. I don't see how it's odd at all. It's all taste.

And that's kind of what I was talking about earlier, you compared it to romantic comedies, implying it's a genre. It's not a genre, it's a medium. It's more like saying 'I don't find interest in movies' or 'I don't find interest in television'. I've never understood how anyone could cut off an entire medium, it's just very strange to me, because like all mediums, there's all kinds of genres, sub-genre, niche markets, etc. If anime were a young medium, maybe I could understand, but it's got a decent amount of history to it now, seems there's something there for anyone who has an open mind to it, like all mediums. Of course, there are people who don't like movies and television in anyway out there, as well, though I still find them odd.

[Doctor Jones]

And that's kind of what I was talking about earlier, you compared it to romantic comedies, implying it's a genre. It's not a genre, it's a medium. It's more like saying 'I don't find interest in movies' or 'I don't find interest in television'. I've never understood how anyone could cut off an entire medium, it's just very strange to me, because like all mediums, there's all kinds of genres, sub-genre, niche markets, etc. If anime were a young medium, maybe I could understand, but it's got a decent amount of history to it now, seems there's something there for anyone who has an open mind to it, like all mediums. Of course, there are people who don't like movies and television in anyway out there, as well, though I still find them odd.

Okay then, I just don't have an interest in the medium of anime. How is this odd? Is it so hard to understand that I'm not interested in the same thing as another person? :huh: It just comes down to that dude.

I'd be willing to give it a try if it interested me alot. Akira seems interesting. Maybe someday I'd put it down where the Woody Allen films are and give it a try. But right now, I don't have any desire for it. When I find an anime that I like and interests me I will say it. But what is the point of watching something if it doesn't interest me? I'm not going to watch something if it doesn't catch my interest. Not for the sake of it.

Sorry if I sounded like a dick, but geez, man, it's just my taste.

[Tron Bonne]

Okay then, I just don't have an interest in the medium of anime. How is this odd? Is it so hard to understand that I'm not interested in the same thing as another person? :huh: It just comes down to that dude.

I'd be willing to give it a try if it interested me alot. Akira seems interesting. Maybe someday I'd put it down where the Woody Allen films are and give it a try. But right now, I don't have any desire for it. When I find an anime that I like and interests me I will say it. But what is the point of watching something if it doesn't interest me? I'm not going to watch something if it doesn't catch my interest. Not for the sake of it.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but geez, man, it's just my taste.

So, if someone came in here and said, 'I have no interests in movies', you wouldn't raise an eyebrow at all? You wouldn't ask 'You have no interest in any movies? At all? Why?' No, you probably wouldn't hoard him to like movies, as I'm not you, but I think it's fair to say you'd consider it an odd opinion to have, no? Unless they just weren't interested in entertainment and art in general, which I guess is possible, but I kind of think that's a pretty rare breed there..

[Doctor Jones]

So, if someone came in here and said, 'I have no interests in movies', you wouldn't raise an eyebrow at all? You wouldn't ask 'You have no interest in any movies? At all? Why?' No, you probably wouldn't hoard him to like movies, as I'm not you, but I think it's fair to say you'd consider it an odd opinion to have, no? Unless they just weren't interested in entertainment and art in general, which I guess is possible, but I kind of think that's a pretty rare breed there..

But isn't anime a genre? Wouldn't it fit into animation? Just like Shrek, Toy Story, and The Lion King is animation? Aren't those films considered a genre? Or is anime a whole different part?

There are people I know who don't like movies that much. They like a few, but they're not altogether fans of them. It's weird to us because we are fans of the mediums themselves, but it's really just taste dude. It may be hard to grasp, but there are people out there who don't like them. Like you said, it's rare, but hey, I must be one of those rare people who has no interest in anime. I see nothing wrong with it. I don't hate it. People like it? Fine. I don't care for it. It's basic stuff. People have different interests than others.

[Tron Bonne]

But isn't anime a genre? Wouldn't it fit into animation? Just like Shrek or Toy Story is animation? Aren't those films considered a genre?

No, not really. You can say it's all animation in the end, but I think it's fair to call Japanese Animation a different medium considering it's development (like you could probably make a case that foreign movie markets are kind of their own mediums). Of course, I tend to be a little looser with my definition of medium than some probably are (I know there are some who would probably just group it all under the television medium).

There are people I know who don't like movies that much. They like a few, but they're not altogether fans of them. It's weird to us because we are fans of the mediums themselves, but it's really just taste dude. It may be hard to grasp, but there are people out there who don't like them. Like you said, it's rare, but hey, I must be one of those rare people who has no interest in anime. I see nothing wrong with it. I don't hate it. People like it? Fine. I don't care for it.I know people who don't like movies as much as me and not much at all; of course, I'm aware of own cinema-phileness. But I really don't think I know anyone who has flat out no interest in any movies, in any television, in any etc. Though you're trying to cover yourself, I'm fairly certain if that situation had arisen, and we hadn't had this conversation, you would probably question it at least some. :p

I could maybe understood if someone has watched something a lot and never found anything they liked, even if they tried the more niche and artful offerings, but just saying I'm not interested with only watching a little or even none at all...well, frankly speaking, that just seems outright closed minded and a little disrespectful towards art in general. That's why I find it so strange when people shut up entire facets (I'll use this word instead of medium, since it'll maybe be more universally accurate) of entertainment and art. I don't mean that as an offense to you or anything, so I hope you won't take it personally or anything, but that's why I find it such an...odd opinion.

Of course, I would probably say the same thing about thinking Ant-Man's size-shifting powers suck and he shouldn't be adapted, so maybe you and me just disagree about everything :oldrazz:

And, I guess I hold those who do show appreciation for other art forms to higher standards than people who close out facets all the time and show little to no appreciation for artforms, so maybe I'm being a little unfair with my standard of such things.

[Doctor Jones]

It's not the I have no appreciation or respect for anime. I respect it. I would never think it sucks or it's stupid. How could I if I've barely seen any? It's just I've seen previews and commercials and the art. Yes, the art is one of the major turn offs for me. Like your avatar. That does not appeal to me. I'm not trying to sound unfair based on one single picture, but if I'm turned off by that, then that's that. You like it? That's cool. I just don't see anything that I like. So I'm not going to seek it out and watch it. The lack of interest alone doesn't make me want to watch it. But if people like it and find something they like and enjoy like you must, then that's cool with me. It's just I don't think it'd odd for someone to not be interested in something. I barely watch football, and it doesn't interest me at all. It's boring and I think nothing happens. It's the same with anime. It just takes a few glances and it clicks. I consider myself an open minded person. Hell, I loved 500 Days of Summer, it's not exactly a romantic comedy, but if I had to put it in a genre, it would be under that. 500 Days of Summer interested me. I've seen heard about the anime people rave about, but it doesn't make me want to go out and watch it. I'm not going to watch something if it doesn't instantly appeal to me. It sometimes just takes a hint at it and you know. It's just why must I subject myself to something I have no interest in? No one should force a movie into their DVD player and watch it for the sake of it. Chances are I won't like it anyway. It boils down to taste and interest. And if you don't see how, just grit your teeth and respect their views. It's just both sides shouldn't sound like *******s trying to start an arguement and you should be fine.

[Tron Bonne]

It's not the I have no appreciation or respect for anime. I respect it. I would never think it sucks or it's stupid. How could I if I've barely seen any? It's just I've seen previews and commercials and the art. Yes, the art is one of the major turn offs for me. Like your avatar. That does not appeal to me. I'm not trying to sound unfair based on one single picture, but if I'm turned off by that, then that's that. You like it? That's cool. I just don't see anything that I like. So I'm not going to seek it out and watch it. The lack of interest alone doesn't make me want to watch it. But if people like it and find something they like and enjoy like you must, then that's cool with me. It's just I don't think it'd odd for someone to not be interested in something. I barely watch football, and it doesn't interest me at all. It's boring and I think nothing happens. It's the same with anime. It just takes a few glances and it clicks. I consider myself an open minded person. Hell, I loved 500 Days of Summer, it's not exactly a romantic comedy, but if I had to put it in a genre, it would be under that. 500 Days of Summer interested me. I've seen heard about the anime people rave about, but it doesn't make me want to go out and watch it. I'm not going to watch something if it doesn't instantly appeal to me. It sometimes just takes a hint at it and you know. It's just why must I subject myself to something I have no interest in? No one should force a movie into their DVD player and watch it for the sake of it. Chances are I won't like it anyway. It boils down to taste and interest. And if you don't see how, just grit your teeth and respect their views. It's just both sides shouldn't sound like *******s trying to start an arguement and you should be fine.

Well, to be honest, a lot of the last bit of your paragraph I'm not sure what you mean, but I can tell you don't want to press the issue anymore, so I guess I'll just say agree to disagree?

Anyway, on to some unpopular opinions:

-Happened to notice A Face in the Crowd was on TCM tonight. Not sure how unpopular it is to say this, but I think it's a great film and should be considered a classic (I assume it's unpopular, because I never see any discussion about it, period). It's a pretty stellar performance as a twisted TV personality by Andy Griffith. I wish he would have stuck with that role, I bet he would have made a classic villain actor if he had.

-We've already covered this earlier, but I probably wouldn't consider Citizen Kane the greatest film ever, or even within the top five or ten. As far as influence, maybe, but I think there are still better films.

-My favorite film of all time is Millennium Actress (guarantee you won't find another opinion for that one :oldrazz:).

[danoyse]

I know it's far down on the list of revered Woody Allen films....but Scoop cracks me the hell up every time I watch it. :funny:

[Figs]

It's not the I have no appreciation or respect for anime. I respect it. I would never think it sucks or it's stupid. How could I if I've barely seen any? It's just I've seen previews and commercials and the art. Yes, the art is one of the major turn offs for me. Like your avatar. That does not appeal to me. I'm not trying to sound unfair based on one single picture, but if I'm turned off by that, then that's that. You like it? That's cool. I just don't see anything that I like. So I'm not going to seek it out and watch it. The lack of interest alone doesn't make me want to watch it. But if people like it and find something they like and enjoy like you must, then that's cool with me. It's just I don't think it'd odd for someone to not be interested in something. I barely watch football, and it doesn't interest me at all. It's boring and I think nothing happens. It's the same with anime. It just takes a few glances and it clicks. I consider myself an open minded person. Hell, I loved 500 Days of Summer, it's not exactly a romantic comedy, but if I had to put it in a genre, it would be under that. 500 Days of Summer interested me. I've seen heard about the anime people rave about, but it doesn't make me want to go out and watch it. I'm not going to watch something if it doesn't instantly appeal to me. It sometimes just takes a hint at it and you know. It's just why must I subject myself to something I have no interest in? No one should force a movie into their DVD player and watch it for the sake of it. Chances are I won't like it anyway. It boils down to taste and interest. And if you don't see how, just grit your teeth and respect their views. It's just both sides shouldn't sound like *******s trying to start an arguement and you should be fine.

Holy massive wall of text Batman! :woot:

Doctor Jones, i'm not a big fan of Anime either but if you ever decide to check any movies out I recommend not just Akira but Ninja Scroll. Ninja Scroll was the first Anime I ever watched and is still my favorite.

[gwynplaine]

Also, Dr Jones, Miyazaki's Spirited Away, Ponyo, My Neighbor Totoro, Princess Mononoke and Howl's Moving Castle, but I think they've been mentioned before and I don't know if Miyazaki is actually considered Anime? (Let's ask a specialist:woot:. Tron Bonne?)
As for Woody Allen's films, I would recommend:
Sleeper
Take the money and Run
Annie Hall
Crime and Misdemeanor
Love and Death
Sweet and Lowdown
The Purple Rose of Cairo
Match Point
Bananas
Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex...
Mighty Aphrodite
Bullets Over Broadway
Vicky Cristina Barcelona
Etc...

(Not necessarily in that order, but more or less) Because they are great films.

[Tron Bonne]

Also, Dr Jones, Miyazaki's Spirited Away, Ponyo, My Neighbor Totoro, Princess Mononoke and Howl's Moving Castle, but I think they've been mentioned before and I don't know if Miyazaki is actually considered Anime? (Let's ask a specialist:woot:. Tron Bonne?)

Oh, well, you know...:yay:

Yeah, I think anything Japanese animation would be considered anime. Technically all animation is anime really, since anime is simply Japanese for animation. Though, I think even in it's own culture, it's kind of evolved into it's own thing separate from more Western animation.

See, you were joking, but I actually did have something :oldrazz: Though I don't really consider myself an expert, so who knows :o

[gwynplaine]

Oh, well, you know...:yay:

Yeah, I think anything Japanese animation would be considered anime. Technically all animation is anime really, since anime is simply Japanese for animation. Though, I think even in it's own culture, it's kind of evolved into it's own thing separate from more Western animation.

See, you were joking, but I actually did have something :oldrazz: Though I don't really consider myself an expert, so who knows :o
I wasn't joking actually (you seem to know a lot and be passionate about the subject:up:) Thanks for the answer:yay:.

[El Payaso]

Crime and Misdemeanor. Masterpiece.

[gwynplaine]

Crime and Misdemeanor. Masterpiece.
:up:

[Figs]

With all this Woody Allen talk I realized i've only seen two or three of his films so far. Mighty Aphrodite and Small Time Crooks.

[Two-Face=Badass]

I was never a massive fan of anime outside of Cowboy Bebop, but out of interest I watched a series called Monster - and it was the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. 74 episodes of the most intricate, most well-thought out, well researched and emotional and thematic piece of fiction I've ever seen. It literally changed the way I saw storytelling. Its even ruined many good pieces of other similar storytelling for me since Monster just did everything so much better.

So yeah, if anime is not your thing, no problem, that's perfectly fine opinion to hold. But there are some things in the medium that will blow you away, and Monster is that for me.

[david icke]

Oh yeah, Crimes and Misdeamenors, i forgot about that one, that is a stone cold classic. 'If it bends, it's funny, if it breaks... it's not funny!'
I thought the last movie he made that was up to the standard of his very best was 'Bullets over Broadway'.

edit: I haven't seen it since it was released in the pics, but I recall 'Deconstructing Harry' was pretty goood.

[Doctor Jones]

Well, to be honest, a lot of the last bit of your paragraph I'm not sure what you mean, but I can tell you don't want to press the issue anymore, so I guess I'll just say agree to disagree?

Anyway, on to some unpopular opinions:

-Happened to notice A Face in the Crowd was on TCM tonight. Not sure how unpopular it is to say this, but I think it's a great film and should be considered a classic (I assume it's unpopular, because I never see any discussion about it, period). It's a pretty stellar performance as a twisted TV personality by Andy Griffith. I wish he would have stuck with that role, I bet he would have made a classic villain actor if he had.

-We've already covered this earlier, but I probably wouldn't consider Citizen Kane the greatest film ever, or even within the top five or ten. As far as influence, maybe, but I think there are still better films.

-My favorite film of all time is Millennium Actress (guarantee you won't find another opinion for that one :oldrazz:).

I simply meant I don't want to watch something I have no interest in. Why would I? I mean it boils down to that. The art is one of the major reasons. I just can't stand it. Why would I watch something where the art bothers me? People just let it go and let their views be, as strange as they may be. Taste it taste. Anime is a medium, genre, whatever, it's still a matter of taste.

If something interests me, whether I'd be a Woody Allen film or anime, I'll look into it and I'll watch it. And I'll say it and admit it. That is if it interests me. It's just nothing now does. All your reccomendations are nice and all, but I don't really care nor do I intend to rush out and look for them, no offense to you guys. So that's that.

[Max J Power]

I was never a massive fan of anime outside of Cowboy Bebop, but out of interest I watched a series called Monster - and it was the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. 74 episodes of the most intricate, most well-thought out, well researched and emotional and thematic piece of fiction I've ever seen. It literally changed the way I saw storytelling. Its even ruined many good pieces of other similar storytelling for me since Monster just did everything so much better.

So yeah, if anime is not your thing, no problem, that's perfectly fine opinion to hold. But there are some things in the medium that will blow you away, and Monster is that for me.
:up: I read the manga of Monster and loved it.

[scatterax]

The first george of the jungle movie is a kids classic. and 1 of my favorite movies from my childhood is Jungle 2 Jungle. even tho the scene where they're walking thru the city and the kid talks about how many tribes he sees is a bit off. it's supposed to show how diverse it is but it ends up being stereo typical.(tho don't let the name fool u, it's not a 2 movie.)


also, the disney version of peter pan was almost completely ruined for me by how racist it was towards native americans. I was almost shocked when i realised how bad it was.

[Chris Wallace]

At this point, I don't blame people for the doubt. But to say it will never happen? Come on man... it's possible. People thought the same thing when B&R came out I'm sure. People thought the franchise was dead. I think superhero films need Superman. And that means a great film can be made out of it. WB has no ****ing idea how to handle the character. I mean turning it over to Nolan says so.

Can, sure. But I don't think it will. Much as the first two movies are revered, I think the only thing they truly had going for them was Reeve. Nearly everything else I could do without. SR showed they didn't know what they were doing and I have yet to see any indication that they've learned their lesson, as I agree with you on going to Nolan.

[david icke]

Can, sure. But I don't think it will. Much as the first two movies are revered, I think the only thing they truly had going for them was Reeve. Nearly everything else I could do without. SR showed they didn't know what they were doing and I have yet to see any indication that they've learned their lesson, as I agree with you on going to Nolan.

There is one thing that every Superman movie has lacked, and that is someone with extensive comic-book knowledge and experience working on them.
People may knock David Goyer, but he had the idea of how to approach the ultimate Batman origin movie for years, and that went a long way in making BB so great.
And it's supposed to be much the same deal here, he has come up with an approach for superman that so impressed Nolan he wanted to be a part of it.
There is a very good chance the new one will be a great superhero movie.

I still think the first one is a great superhero movie.

[Chris Wallace]

I would add RESPECT for comic books to your comment about lacking knowledge and experience. It always seems to me a slap in the face when the title character doesn't get top billing in the credits. Honestly, it was Brando's half-hearted performance, Lex's whole plot and Hackman's over-the-top portrayal that brought it down for me. I thought the depiction of Superman himself was perfect.

[Doctor Jones]

Agreed, david. People don't give enough credit to Goyer for BB for writing that script. He knew what he was doing with the character. It had everything we loved and missed about Batman. When Nolan came everything got better. So if he knew what to do with Batman, he can do the same with Superman, and Nolan loved the idea. I trust the both of them on this. Now I do still think WB has no idea what to do with Superman. I do think that they could have handed it to someone else and they think whatever Nolan touches turns to gold. But hey, nothing we can do about it now. They have capable people doing it, so it's not like we know this is going to suck off the bat. I just hope to God Jonah doesn't direct. It's a terrible idea. It's fine for a studio to give freedom, and that's always great. But sometimes they get ahead of themselves and put too much stock in them. Like they think if they hand it to them, they'll get their money back like the last time. But that's for another thread.

[Parker Wayne]

I would add RESPECT for comic books to your comment about lacking knowledge and experience. It always seems to me a slap in the face when the title character doesn't get top billing in the credits. Honestly, it was Brando's half-hearted performance, Lex's whole plot and Hackman's over-the-top portrayal that brought it down for me. I thought the depiction of Superman himself was perfect.

The problem may have been the same problem with Tommy Lee Jones (in a way) and many other pre-2000 comic book films with Batman Forever. Many of these older actors grew up in 50s and 60s where comics were light-hearted and campy so thats how they played the characters.

I don't know if it was this thread or not, but someone did mention that Tommy Lee Jones having problem taking the role seriously in Men in Black also because he didn't take comic books seriously and he had many confrontation with the director because he played it over the top at first.

[CrimsonMist]

The last time I saw it, I thought it was pretty good. But it's been a while. So i tried watching it tonight and turned it off 20 minutes in.

Conan The Barbarian is not a very good movie. Between now and the last time I saw it, i've read the original stories and became more familiar with the character. And this movie is completely off the mark with the character. It's so far removed from anything Robert E. Howard wrote that I can't really enjoy it. Plus, I can't get past the shoddy acting and all of Arnold's overdubbed grunts. And despite it straying from the source material to almost unrecognizable lengths, it's just not engaging on any level.

And the sad thing is, the new Conan movie probably won't be any better. However, I think I may be safe in assuming that with the Milius film, the story and the character were treated very seriously, in that it doesn't feel campy or "pulp". It feels like a serious, epic fantasy/adventure film. I have this nagging feeling that the new film may end up feeling like a joke, and may look low-budget and cheap.

[Spider-Vader]

I think Spider-Man 3 is a decent movie. It's a bad comic movie though.

[scatterax]

spiderman 3 is underated imo

[VenomVsSpidey]

I think Spider-Man 3 is a decent movie. It's a bad comic movie though.

I like them as both :o:oldrazz:


spiderman 3 is underated imo

:up:

[VenomVsSpidey]

I saw the hangover, and for me,with the exception of a few things, it's painfully unfunny, with the sequel surely going to be the same.

[scatterax]

I saw the hangover, and for me,with the exception of a few things, it's painfully unfunny, with the sequel surely going to be the same.


I know. to me it was just ....boring. I was ready to laugh, i wanted to, but every time there was a joke i even thought was kinda clever i kinda had to force myself to chickle and even that only happened like 2/3 times. so over rated. it had no heart behind any of the scenes.

it's not like i wasn't getting any of it. it's just, idk nothing really clicked for me. the commercials were better cuz what was funny in them took less time. it was like they coulda built up to the joke, but instead half the time it was like the movie was doing nothing but waiting for another chance to try to be funny.

[Homer J. Fong]

I enjoyed The Hangover a lot, but I'm dreading the sequel.

[scatterax]

the hangover too: this time it's on perpose!

[Doctor Jones]

I know right. The same people are going to get hungover again?? How the hell is this gonna work? Didn't they learn their lesson from the first time? Sounds like a rehash.

[Figs]

I know right. The same people are going to get hungover again?? How the hell is this gonna work? Didn't they learn their lesson from the first time? Sounds like a rehash.

People who drink never learn their lesson from the first time blacking out. Believe me, I know from experience. I don't drink all that much anymore and usually I drink wine now.

I'm curious as to the location for this next film. I say Amsterdamn since that ****** Harold and Kumar sequel only had them there for the last two minutes of the film...lame.

[Crockett]

Rumors are that the location for the sequel is Thailand. The first one was ok, not the worst I've seen and not either the best.

[Doctor Jones]

People who drink never learn their lesson from the first time blacking out. Believe me, I know from experience. I don't drink all that much anymore and usually I drink wine now.

I'm curious as to the location for this next film. I saw Amsterdamn since that ****** Harold and Kumar sequel only had them there for the last two minutes of the film...lame.

Yeah, but all of them not learning their lesson? Aftet the **** that they went through? I thought they could have been drugged but then I thought that happened in the first film already.

[El Payaso]

I haven't seen the movies but from all my freiends... no, no one has ever learnt any lesson about drugs and alcohol, except that they should earn more so they can get more drugs and alcohol.

[Doctor Jones]

But getting hungover all over again in a second film is still the same thing as the film before. What's gonna make it so different from the last one? I have no ****ing idea what they have planned for this. I hope I'm like, "Well of course!" and be on with it. But right now, a sequel is a bad idea. People loved the first, but did everyone say, "Well I want a sequel now!"

[El Payaso]

I know. I fully understand you.
But...

But getting hungover all over again in a second film is still the same thing as the film before. What's gonna make it so different from the last one?

I mean, since when does Hollywood need a new refreshing idea for a sequel? It's just all over again.

[Parker Wayne]

Another Hangover is kinda redundant, but Todd Phillips is a really good comedic writer so it could be good.

[Ipodman]

There dont seem to be any comedies that interest me tbh.

The last comedy I enjoyed was Evan Almighty

[Sloth7d]

I was never a massive fan of anime outside of Cowboy Bebop, but out of interest I watched a series called Monster - and it was the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. 74 episodes of the most intricate, most well-thought out, well researched and emotional and thematic piece of fiction I've ever seen. It literally changed the way I saw storytelling. Its even ruined many good pieces of other similar storytelling for me since Monster just did everything so much better.

So yeah, if anime is not your thing, no problem, that's perfectly fine opinion to hold. But there are some things in the medium that will blow you away, and Monster is that for me.

:hrt::up:

[Doctor Jones]

I know. I fully understand you.
But...



I mean, since when does Hollywood need a new refreshing idea for a sequel? It's just all over again.

True.

But Parker Wayne is right. Philips is good at writing so he must have something cooked up. But I smell more studio requested than him doing it willingly.

[-Arya-]

Monster is pretty interesting so far (only seen 4 episodes) but if you ask me, the 'reveal' may have arrived a little too early. Or...I could be wrong. Maybe the writers came up with some more ideas to flesh out the series.

[-Arya-]

Edit: Double

[Tron Bonne]

Monster is pretty interesting so far (only seen 4 episodes) but if you ask me, the 'reveal' may have arrived a little too early. Or...I could be wrong. Maybe the writers came up with some more ideas to flesh out the series.

What, you mean how the kid is a crazy killer and by fixing him the doctor kind of screwed up big time

[-Arya-]

What, you mean how the kid is a crazy killer and by fixing him the doctor kind of screwed up big time
Pretty much

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, I see what you mean, there really isn't any surprise or revelation to it that amounts to much. From what I've seen, though, it seems the series focuses much more on how the Doctor ultimate reactions, so the twist is basically a springboard more than anything.

Of course, that's what I get so far. I only watched the first boxset, and it's only 13 episodes of 74

[Doctor Jones]

I Am Legend is a good film up until the woman and child come in. Well shot, and Smith's performance was good. The scene when he had to chase his dog into the tunnel. That was intense. I don't get tense all that much when watching a film, but seeing that in IMAX, that was scary. Then when he had to kill the dog. I cried a little. Very well done.

Too bad what happened after that sucked.

[david icke]

I Am Legend is a good film up until the woman and child come in. Well shot, and Smith's performance was good. The scene when he had to chase his dog into the tunnel. That was intense. I don't get tense all that much when watching a film, but seeing that in IMAX, that was scary. Then when he had to kill the dog. I cried a little. Very well done.

Too bad what happened after that sucked.

The original ending to the movie that you get on the 2disc dvd set is far superior to the theatrical cut's ending. It made a major difference to me and how I felt about the ending.
I hated the ending they changed it to for the theatrical cut, it was because the test audiences did not get the original ending.
I watched the theatrical cut first, as you get both on the 2 disc, and wished i had gone for the original cut first for my first time watching it. It's a much smarter ending.
You should check it out.
I love that movie, I don't even mind the somewhat ropey CGI monsters nowadays.

[Doctor Jones]

I should check it out then. It's a shame. I was really digging it but then it went downhill so fast. All I'm saying is that Smith should have been alone for the entire film. That would have been interesting.

[Sloth7d]

I'm beginning to hate the idea of test audiences.

[Watchman]

I'm beginning to hate the idea of test audiences.

:up:

Whenever I read about test audiences I feel like, for the most part, they are not the smartest crowd.

[Kurosawa]

I'm beginning to hate the idea of test audiences.

Agreed.

[Parker Wayne]

I'm beginning to hate the idea of test audiences.

This.

[gwynplaine]

_ I liked parts of both Hostel Movies and I thought Eli Roth was pretty good in Inglourious Basterds.
_ I haven't seen Scott Pilgrim yet, but I think Michael Cera is a good actor.
_ Sean William Scott is also a very good actor. He was really impressive in an underrated movie called The Promotion. Kind of like a young Jack Lemmon type.
_ On a related note, John C. Reilly is a god. Like Woody Harrelson, he can do both comedy and Drama.
_ Sam Worthington was really good in Avatar and Rogue. Also he was the best thing in Terminator Salvation.
_ Shaun of the Dead is much better than Hot Fuzz.

[Max J Power]

Yeah, I see what you mean, there really isn't any surprise or revelation to it that amounts to much. From what I've seen, though, it seems the series focuses much more on how the Doctor ultimate reactions, so the twist is basically a springboard more than anything.

Of course, that's what I get so far. I only watched the first boxset, and it's only 13 episodes of 74
Yes, the twist is the event that sets up the premise rather than a big reveal. It focuses more on the doctor's journey to find the kid, and both characters' development.

_ I liked parts of both Hostel Movies and I thought Eli Roth was pretty good in Inglourious Basterds.
_ I haven't seen Scott Pilgrim yet, but I think Michael Cera is a good actor.
_ Sean William Scott is also a very good actor. He was really impressive in an underrated movie called The Promotion. Kind of like a young Jack Lemmon type.
_ On a related note, John C. Reilly is a god. Like Woody Harrelson, he can do both comedy and Drama.
_ Sam Worthington was really good in Avatar and Rogue. Also he was the best thing in Terminator Salvation.
_ Shaun of the Dead is much better than Hot Fuzz.
I do too, although in the time between Nick & Norah's Infinite Playlist and Scott Pilgrim, I felt like I kind of needed a break from him. I felt the same way about Will Ferrell after Semi-Pro and Step Brothers came out in the same year. I liked both movies, but I had my fill of the Will Ferrell idiot character for awhile.

[Dark Victory]

I'm beginning to hate the idea of test audiences.


I've been to a few, and they're usually filled with dumb college kids......which actually makes sense. :(

[Harry_Lime02]

I'm beginning to hate the idea of test audiences.
Totally. Stay true to the directors vision and the people who get it will get it. Sell out and change stuff to appeal to idiot demographics and you could end up with an uneven mess that nobody likes. Though I guess you can't blame studios for wanting to make more money.

[Two-Face=Badass]

Everyone who thumbs'd up to Monster is a legend in my eyes :woot:
Monster is pretty interesting so far (only seen 4 episodes) but if you ask me, the 'reveal' may have arrived a little too early. Or...I could be wrong. Maybe the writers came up with some more ideas to flesh out the series.
Oh, trust me, it has only begun. It moves a little slow for a while, but my oh my you haven't seen the twists yet, and unlike so many films and series, here they aren't for shock value but instead amplify the meaning of the text.

[david icke]

_ Shaun of the Dead is much better than Hot Fuzz.

Do most people prefer Hot Fuzz, i thought they preffered SOTD.
I read one critisicm of HF from a poster on another site and think he hit the nail on the head, in HF the kind of character that Simon Pegg plays kind of puts him in a straight jacket and does not allow him to use all of his comedic talents.
I have not rewatched my dvd of it, i was a quite disapointed with it, but y'know it's still better than just about every British comedy movie that is made these days.
I think s2 of Spaced is much better than both movies, i do like SOTD a lot though.

[bonoferox]

I preferred SOTD over HF, but still love them both.
Spaced is pretty much the best thing ever put on a monitor when it comes to geek-dom.

[gwynplaine]

Do most people prefer Hot Fuzz, i thought they preffered SOTD.
I read one critisicm of HF from a poster on another site and think he hit the nail on the head, in HF the kind of character that Simon Pegg plays kind of puts him in a straight jacket and does not allow him to use all of his comedic talents.
I have not rewatched my dvd of it, i was a quite disapointed with it, but y'know it's still better than just about every British comedy movie that is made these days.
I think s2 of Spaced is much better than both movies, i do like SOTD a lot though.
Good point.

[El Payaso]

I'm beginning to hate the idea of test audiences.

It's like asking comic fans for opinions for a superhero movie.

[Sloth7d]

It's like asking comic fans for opinions for a superhero movie.

Before you've actually started your project and not after, right?

[El Payaso]

Before you've actually started your project and not after, right?

At any time actually.

[Sloth7d]

At any time actually.

You don't think that shows a lack of confidence and pride to ask after the work is finished?

[Chris Wallace]

I'm beginning to hate the idea of test audiences.

They saved "Blade" from being a disaster.

[Doctor Jones]

For some reason, I'm not completely against test audiences. Sometimes a director can be so into their vision, they don't stop and think about the audience. Like the latest HP film. Some said the film dragged in areas. Could a director have figured this out for themselves or do they think they know what is best? Soemtimes you can lose an audience on thing. I don't know, I could be wrong. Maybe a good director should just have the right sensibilities to make a film that happens to appeal to everyone. Like Nolan or Spielberg or Cameron or Jackson. So I could be wrong.

[Figs]

For some reason, I'm not completely against test audiences. Sometimes a director can be so into their vision, they don't stop and think about the audience.

I'll never agree with that because I find it to be horse****.

A director should make the movie he wants otherwise he shouldn't be making films because he obviously doesn't have a passion for it which would mean he's a yes man.

When you alter your vision because you're worrying about what the GA will think, you're a fool. Mainly because of the fact that you won't and never will please everyone, so you should stick to your guns and hope a lot of people enjoy it.

One of Burton's best film and my favorite next to Beetlejuice is Ed Wood and I remember some of the reviews when that came out. Some critics were saying he lost touch with the audience...well of course most people were't going to enjoy that kind of movie(a big reason was because it was in black and white i'm sure :whatever:)but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have made it.

I understand the financial aspect where you want a lot of people to like it so it makes a lot of money and then the studios are happy with you and you get more work for the most part. I just think it's ignorant to keep that in mind as if you're in it for the money. If directors didn't do that and stuck with their guns we could be getting a lot more original movies, then again the studios are also responsible for the unoriginality going on today.

[SuperFerret]

I think the problem is people calling a director's plan for the movie his or her "vision" like they're some sort of prophet.

[-Arya-]

I think the problem is people calling a director's plan for the movie his or her "vision" like they're some sort of prophet.
Some do treat it as such but it's really no different from an authors' vision in a book. Directors and writers aren't merely in this business for making pure entertainment.

[SuperFerret]

That's kinda sad to me.

[-Arya-]

What do you consider entertainment?

[SuperFerret]

Way too broad of a question.

[-Arya-]

Alright. Which genre best captures your view of how films should be made?

[Figs]

I think the problem is people calling a director's plan for the movie his or her "vision" like they're some sort of prophet.

I have no idea why you exaggerated about people's opinions in regards to using the term prophet. A vision doesn't always mean some sign from god or an angel coming down and talking to you.

It's basically when a director has the look and feel of his movie in his head/mind's eye. I don't think of directors as prophets or anything like that, it's just a word to describe 'what they want' or 'how they want it'.

[Doctor Jones]

I'll never agree with that because I find it to be horse****.

A director should make the movie he wants otherwise he shouldn't be making films because he obviously doesn't have a passion for it which would mean he's a yes man.

When you alter your vision because you're worrying about what the GA will think, you're a fool. Mainly because of the fact that you won't and never will please everyone, so you should stick to your guns and hope a lot of people enjoy it.

One of Burton's best film and my favorite next to Beetlejuice is Ed Wood and I remember some of the reviews when that came out. Some critics were saying he lost touch with the audience...well of course most people were't going to enjoy that kind of movie(a big reason was because it was in black and white i'm sure :whatever:)but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have made it.

I understand the financial aspect where you want a lot of people to like it so it makes a lot of money and then the studios are happy with you and you get more work for the most part. I just think it's ignorant to keep that in mind as if you're in it for the money. If directors didn't do that and stuck with their guns we could be getting a lot more original movies, then again the studios are also responsible for the unoriginality going on today.

Yeah, see this is what I was thinking too. Yes, a director should stay true to their vision and hope the audiences will grasp onto it. Like Ang Lee's Hulk. He had his vision. Audiences were turned off. What would test audiences say about it?

But hell, maybe the director would agree with the test audience at times. Pacing for example maybe. It's kind of like someone else proof reading an essay. You get so wrapped up in your own words, you somtimes need someone else to look at it. I agree that the GA shouldn't influence the director to cut, but they are there for input and to see if the director needs to do something that he or she may have overlooked and didn't think about when making it. Then cut it. But only if they agree. If they don't and they have to fight the studio over it, then that's wrong.

Now if I were directing a film, and it came out to two and a half hours, a test audience watches it, they say it's too long in areas. I agree with that the pacing drags and shave some off. To me that's okay. But only if they are staying true to their vision and recognizing it's slow in areas.

[danoyse]

They do it in theater. A show previews for a few weeks before it officially opens so they can see what works and what doesn't in front of an audience. I've seen shows in previews that I've gone back to after the opening to find lines changed or songs either cut or moved around.

I don't think the test audiences should have final say over everything...but at the same time they can be good to have. Robert Zemeckis nearly cut the Johnny B. Goode scene from the first Back to the Future movie until the test audiences responded so well to it. Baz Lurhman nearly killed off Hugh Jackman's character at the end of Australia, which would have been an awful ending, and the test audiences responded badly and they re-shot the ending.

It happens all the time. I don't think either side is always right or always wrong every time.

[Figs]

But hell, maybe the director would agree with the test audience at times. Pacing for example maybe. It's kind of like someone else proof reading an essay. You get so wrapped up in your own words, you somtimes need someone else to look at it. I agree that the GA shouldn't influence the director to cut, but they are there for input and to see if the director needs to do something that he or she may have overlooked and didn't think about when making it.

This I can agree with, especially the "like someone proof reading an essay".

Now if I were directing a film, and it came out to two and a half hours, a test audience watches it, they say it's too long in areas. I agree with that the pacing drags and shave some off. To me that's okay. But only if they are staying true to their vision and recognizing it's slow in areas.

This also makes sense too, I just don't think a director should completely alter scenes due to the test audience if it goes against what he wants but feels he should do just to please them.

[Doctor Jones]

I agree with you there. An artist should never compromise their vision. In any form.

But there is such a thing as an outside opinion and listening to them is never a bad thing. If they are right and they give you helpful advice on how it could be improved, and you see it can be improved and you like it, do it. This is for every artist.

I'm an artist myself. I always hated when my art teachers in school told me to do it one way when I wanted it the other way, because it's what I believed in. Even if it wasn't what everyone else was doing. Sometimes I couldn't stand the projects we were working on. Now if they were right, and I could see how it could be actually improved upon, then I would do it. But the sad part is, usually I didn't get to do what I was loving, and had to go by what they were doing. Which is frustrating.

I'll never forget in the 4th grade when my art teacher told us that a nose looks like an elephants foot. At 9 years old I knew this was ********. I tried it, it looked like ****. I did it my way, she told me to do it the other and I did. This is what I can't stand.

So that said, I'm not completely against test audiences. But only if it would give me as an artist to improve upon the film and I see it myself. If I don't, then be prepared to fight. It's a shame. Art in general, it's about the only thing that there's compromise in. And the wrong kind.

[Parker Wayne]

I agree with you there. An artist should never compromise their vision. In any form.

But there is such a thing as an outside opinion and listening to them is never a bad thing. If they are right and they give you helpful advice on how it could be improved, and you see it can be improved and you like it, do it. This is for every artist.

I'm an artist myself. I always hated when my art teachers in school told me to do it one way when I wanted it the other way, because it's what I believed in. Even if it wasn't what everyone else was doing. Sometimes I couldn't stand the projects we were working on. Now if they were right, and I could see how it could be actually improved upon, then I would do it. But the sad part is, usually I didn't get to do what I was loving, and had to go by what they were doing. Which is frustrating.

I'll never forget in the 4th grade when my art teacher told us that a nose looks like an elephants foot. At 9 years old I knew this was ********. I tried it, it looked like ****. I did it my way, she told me to do it the other and I did. This is what I can't stand.

So that said, I'm not completely against test audiences. But only if it would give me as an artist to improve upon the film and I see it myself. If I don't, then be prepared to fight. It's a shame. Art in general, it's about the only thing that there's compromise in. And the wrong kind.

What? That sounds stupid. I hate teachers like that, especially in art classes.

[SuperFerret]

Alright. Which genre best captures your view of how films should be made?

Action. They're fun, have decent stories and characters and don't put the "art" over entertainment value.

I have no idea why you exaggerated about people's opinions in regards to using the term prophet. A vision doesn't always mean some sign from god or an angel coming down and talking to you.

It's basically when a director has the look and feel of his movie in his head/mind's eye. I don't think of directors as prophets or anything like that, it's just a word to describe 'what they want' or 'how they want it'.

I still hate that term, it elevates them to a level that I don't think directors should be at.

[Doctor Jones]

What? That sounds stupid. I hate teachers like that, especially in art classes.

Yeah, the only thing she helped me with was that a head is shaped like an egg. I admit, that's how I begin drawing a head. Just basic. Although I do disregard some conventional methods. But you learn something new each time you draw. My work improves each year but I'm never completely satisfied with my work.

The thing with any artist is that we are never satisfied. :oldrazz: We always feel we can improve upon each work, but we do always find a problem in that. So it's neverending, but it keeps things interesting and makes me wanting to go back to it.

Okay, I feel like I'm being pretentious, onto more unpopular movie opinions.

[Figs]

Action. They're fun, have decent stories and characters and don't put the "art" over entertainment value.



I still hate that term, it elevates them to a level that I don't think directors should be at.

I think you're taking the word a little too seriously. It's a simple word to describe someone's thoughts and ideas at times.

The word I think you're looking for that I would consider a bit pretenious is 'visionary'.

[SuperFerret]

"Idea" works better for me, since that's what it is. "Vision" still carries a lot of weight and does imply that the person with the "vision" is a "visionary".

[Tron Bonne]

Eh, that just sounds like unneeded nitpicking to me. It's fine to say someone has a vision or is a visionary in their field. You try to put too broad a weight on these words.

[SuperFerret]

I try, but it's just not working, dammit. :argh:

[Figs]

"Idea" works better for me, since that's what it is. "Vision" still carries a lot of weight and does imply that the person with the "vision" is a "visionary".

I can see your point with the two words but to me visionary has always been a word I felt that meant someone was a bit of a genius. Vision to me is something anyone could have in regards to something they're working on or about to start.

That's just my interpretation on those words and I doubt most will agree on that.

[gwynplaine]

_ I thought Angelina Jolie and Crispin Glover were really good in Beowulf.
_ The movie was not that good, but Stallone was an OK Judge Dredd.
On a related note, if they don't bring the Dark Judges (Death, Fear, Fire and Mortis) in the new film, I probably won't be seeing it (at least not in the theater.)
_ As flawed as it is (Brody, Black etc...), King Kong is probably Peter Jackson's best film.
_ Ed Wood is Tim Burton's best film and maybe his only great movie.
_ Alien and The Duellists are Ridley Scott's best films.
_ I enjoyed T3 more than T:Salvation.

[Figs]

_ As flawed as it is (Brody, Black etc...), King Kong is probably Peter Jackson's best film.
_ Ed Wood is Tim Burton's best film and maybe his only great movie.

I own King Kong on DVD but have only seen it the one time in the theatre. I really do need to give it a second chance. It was kind of an impulse buy. I thought it was alright but that could be due to bias since the original is a big favorite of mine.

Agreed x 100 on Ed Wood being Burton's best film. Not only was Depp and Landau great in that film but so was Bill Murray and I absolutely love that Burton kept it in black and white and had Vincent D'Onofrio (http://forums.superherohype.com/name/nm0000352/) in that cameo as Orson Welles.

[gwynplaine]

I own King Kong on DVD but have only seen it the one time in the theatre. I really do need to give it a second chance. It was kind of an impulse buy. I thought it was alright but that could be due to bias since the original is a big favorite of mine.

Agreed x 100 on Ed Wood being Burton's best film. Not only was Depp and Landau great in that film but so was Bill Murray and I absolutely love that Burton kept it in black and white and had Vincent D'Onofrio (http://forums.superherohype.com/name/nm0000352/) in that cameo as Orson Welles.
Me too:up:

[Ipodman]

I'm looking forward to 50s King Kong on Blu-ray.... is it gonna be black and white or what? Ive not seen the movie before :(

Going along with that, my unpopular opinion is that it's ok to remake classic movies. Like Nightmare on elm street, wolfman, clash of the titans. You will always have the original if you are not comfortable with the new stuff.

[gwynplaine]

I'm looking forward to 50s King Kong on Blu-ray.... is it gonna be black and white or what? Ive not seen the movie before :(

Going along with that, my unpopular opinion is that it's ok to remake classic movies. Like Nightmare on elm street, wolfman, clash of the titans. You will always have the original if you are not comfortable with the new stuff.
Try 1933:woot::cwink:. A great movie. And yes, it's gonna be black and white.

[Ipodman]

Try 1933:woot::cwink:. A great movie. And yes, it's gonna be black and white.

WHAT!? It's older than I THOUGHT!! :wow:

I wonder what such an old film will look like on Blu-ray... was it ever on DVD?

[david icke]

WHAT!? It's older than I THOUGHT!! :wow:

I wonder what such an old film will look like on Blu-ray... was it ever on DVD?

Yeah, I have my dad's old King Kong dvd here, he loved that movie. It is a classic and looks great to this day, much better than the Jackson film, which i thought was alright, great in places, a drag in others, but the original KK is tight and perfect.
On dvd and Blu-Ray all it will be is the usual, a crisper, clearer picture, film still looked great back then, it's just that the sfx are a little more creaky, but they have a lot of charm and are creatively more impressive to my eyes than CGI.

[bullets]

Do most people prefer Hot Fuzz, i thought they preffered SOTD.

I think s2 of Spaced is much better than both movies, i do like SOTD a lot though.



Spaced :up:


I thought more people have seen and enjoyed SOTD as opposed to Hot Fuzz
also. I can't wait for Paul to hit theaters.

[Figs]

Yeah, I have my dad's old King Kong dvd here, he loved that movie. It is a classic and looks great to this day, much better than the Jackson film, which i thought was alright, great in places, a drag in others, but the original KK is tight and perfect.
On dvd and Blu-Ray all it will be is the usual, a crisper, clearer picture, film still looked great back then, it's just that the sfx are a little more creaky, but they have a lot of charm and are creatively more impressive to my eyes than CGI.

Yeah, I bought the original King Kong on that last DVD release they had and it did look pretty damn good. Can't wait to see the transfer on Blu-ray.

Hope you enjoy it Ipodman. The effects are outdated obviously but I still love stop motion animation so much that I consider the effects great as far as stop motion goes.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Unpopular Opinion, X-Men style!

X-Men is Better Than X2
X3 and Wolverine, though, not grand, aren't bad...just...flawed..to the max
X-Men first class is in capable hands, and Vaughn will bring the series back up to par
I eagerly await Wolverine Origins 2
Harry Gregson-Williams music for XMO:W Was the best music of the series, followed by kamen's, then Ottman's, then Powell's.

[El Payaso]

Unpopular Opinion, X-Men style!

X-Men is Better Than X2

Oh yes. In fact I liked X-Men: TLS better than X2.

[Doctor Jones]

I too have faith in Vaughn. People are condemning it, but we haven't seen ****. This is Singer, Vaughn, and Goldman, with a great cast. How is this bad? People are just whining their favorite characters aren't in it and it's not following continuity. Cry me a river.

Anyway, I prefer Jackson's King Kong to the original. The original is great but in Jackson's film I cared about the characters alot more. I loved the whole three hour journey.

And people didn't like how they took so long on the boat. This had to be done. You have to buy the fact that this guy who just met this girl would risk his ass to go after her in a jungle no one has ever walked on before. The development between them was great. It's the movie that made me want to become a filmmaker.

[Harry_Lime02]

Unpopular Opinion, X-Men style!

X-Men is Better Than X2

I agree. Though to be fair, I've only seen X2 once, and X1 quite a few times so I know it better.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Oh yes. In fact I liked X-Men: TLS better than X2.

I wouldn't say I liked it more than X2, but I do quite like it. I would be lying if I didn't say that I had my problems with it though.


I agree. Though to be fair, I've only seen X2 once, and X1 quite a few times so I know it better.

I'd say X-Men was better overall, but X-Men United had a better finale.

I too have faith in Vaughn. People are condemning it, but we haven't seen ****. This is Singer, Vaughn, and Goldman, with a great cast. How is this bad? People are just whining their favorite characters aren't in it and it's not following continuity. Cry me a river.


Well said Doc! :up:

[Parker Wayne]

Unpopular Opinion, X-Men style!

X-Men is Better Than X2
X3 and Wolverine, though, not grand, aren't bad...just...flawed..to the max
X-Men first class is in capable hands, and Vaughn will bring the series back up to par
I eagerly await Wolverine Origins 2
Harry Gregson-Williams music for XMO:W Was the best music of the series, followed by kamen's, then Ottman's, then Powell's.

Isn't heavily flawed the same thing as bad?

[Harry_Lime02]

Isn't heavily flawed the same thing as bad?
I think he just means that there's plenty of good things abut the film as well as bad.

[SuperFerret]

Anyway, I prefer Jackson's King Kong to the original. The original is great but in Jackson's film I cared about the characters alot more. I loved the whole three hour journey.

And people didn't like how they took so long on the boat. This had to be done. You have to buy the fact that this guy who just met this girl would risk his ass to go after her in a jungle no one has ever walked on before. The development between them was great. It's the movie that made me want to become a filmmaker.

I'd bet if Peter Jackson saw this, he'd smile, since the original Kong inspired him.

I agree with liking Jackson's Kong over the original. The original is a great movie, but in it Kong is still mostly a movie monster, in Jackson's, he's practically the protagonist.

Both are better than that debacle in the 70's though.

[Harry_Lime02]

I didn't really have a problem with the boat scenes. I'd have trimmed some of the overlong fights on the Island like the giant worms or some of the stuff back in New York like the ice skating. People have told me I have no heart but I thought Kong's death scene was eye-rollingly melodramatic. I was rooting for the airplanes.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Isn't heavily flawed the same thing as bad?

I think he just means that there's plenty of good things about the film as well as bad.


exactly^ :up:

There are bad things about both (cramming in two storylines into a 90 minute film, "Deadpool", Cgi claws, and killing off people, but imo, the good both outweigh the bad in both flicks. Plus in X3, I quite liked how it puts both teams (Xavier's & The Brotherhood) on very shaky moral grounds.

[Doctor Jones]

I'd bet if Peter Jackson saw this, he'd smile, since the original Kong inspired him.

I agree with liking Jackson's Kong over the original. The original is a great movie, but in it Kong is still mostly a movie monster, in Jackson's, he's practically the protagonist.

Both are better than that debacle in the 70's though.

Jackson (along with Raimi) was the first guy to get me interested in the making of films. I bought the LOTR DVD's when they came out and loved the special features. Ever since then I still do with all DVD's. He's a great guy and a great filmmaker. The LOTR films must have been some subconcious thing to make me want to beocme a filmmaker. But it wasn't until King Kong that made me realize it. I watch LOTR now, and it is deeply inspiring to watch.

Yeah, I felt for Kong. I bought into him. I felt he was a real giant ape. The CG was incredible.

I actually encountered the 70's one first. I loved it when I was a kid. But I think back on it. Geez.

But Jessica Lange man. She was one of my first crushes. She was hot as all hell in that movie.

[gwynplaine]

My main problem with Jackson's KK was Brody and Black's casting or should I say miscasting.
But imo Jackson nailed the most important part of the story, which is the "Beauty and the Beast" element. Naomi Watts was great and Kong is one of the best (and most moving), if not the best CGI creation ever (WETA and Serkis take a bow:woot:.)
As for the original KK, it is also a masterpiece and I can't wait for the Blu Ray. One of my favorite anecdotes about the 1933 film is how Willis O'Brien's wife recognized and saw her husband in Kong (Because he modeled Kong's movement and behavior after his own, looking at himself in a mirror, like a lot of animators do I guess)

[Doctor Jones]

I loved Brody as the screenwriter/normal guy instead of the strapping boatman. Plus it was different.

I liked Black too. He played a very good uncaring obsessive jerk.

[Ipodman]

X2 > X1 > W > X3 > Hulk vs Wolverine i hate that thing

[TimBisley]

I thought Jack Black was good in King Kong.

[El Payaso]

I could never bought Brody being the shy writer that all of a sudden is an expert and brave explorer. Suddenly he can run faster than no one and kick little dinosaurs in the head while avoiding brontosaurus' steps. Plus it was tragically hilarious how Ann replaced him as a love interest by a giant ape. And romantic scenes between a giant ape and a human girl that are seriously approached - such as sunsets with them looking into each other's eyes completely in love - are also quite humorous, in an unwilling way.

The secondary characters in Kong were terrible for me. An entire crew of rough men that, God knows why, feel constantly compelled to obey Jack Black's orders in spite of knowing that Black's a hack.

And that black old sailor and his protegé? Not only it was incredibly irrelevant to everything, but the klid also magically transformed into an excellent shooter the minute he got a gun in hbis hands. Sure, he looked insecure but God, he could kill big bugs on your back and head while you were shaking all over with a tommy gun without leaving you a scratch.

The CGI was the only thing that was remarkable. Kong was 110% convincing.

[gwynplaine]

I could never bought Brody being the shy writer that all of a sudden is an expert and brave explorer. Suddenly he can run faster than no one and kick little dinosaurs in the head while avoiding brontosaurus' steps. Plus it was tragically hilarious how Ann replaced him as a love interest by a giant ape. And romantic scenes between a giant ape and a human girl that are seriously approached - such as sunsets with them looking into each other's eyes completely in love - are also quite humorous, in an unwilling way.

The secondary characters in Kong were terrible for me. An entire crew of rough men that, God knows why, feel constantly compelled to obey Jack Black's orders in spite of knowing that Black's a hack.

And that black old sailor and his protegé? Not only it was incredibly irrelevant to everything, but the klid also magically transformed into an excellent shooter the minute he got a gun in hbis hands. Sure, he looked insecure but God, he could kill big bugs on your back and head while you were shaking all over with a tommy gun without leaving you a scratch.

The CGI was the only thing that was remarkable. Kong was 110% convincing.
Haha:woot:. I agree.
Also Black is to drama what Brody is to action. He looks pretty ridiculous and unbelievable when he attempts it.
As for the "love story", well it's the heart and story of KK after all and I thought it was moving, thanks to the superb CGI work and Watts' convincing performance.
And the fight with the 3 T Rexes was amazing.
All in all, even with his flaws, I thought it was a great, entertaining movie.

[Doctor Jones]

I thought they should have put the swamp creature attack back in the original cut. It flows well enough. I mean hey, it's three hours so what the hell? They included the scene on TNT and it went very well with the rest of the film. Besides, if you look from after the stampede and the log scene, there are less guys. It was like WTF? Inserting the scene back in makesm ore sense to me, plus it's a very entertaining scene.

I thought Brody was great in Predators. I guy who didn't give a **** about anyone else and could be badass.

[gwynplaine]

Apparently, Brody was good in Predators, but I haven't seen it.
I agree with El Payaso though about the difficulty of buying Brody suddenly going from shy writer to expert and brave explorer in KK.

[Doctor Jones]

Well, some people have no fear. And he loves Ann. If someone really loves someone, they will do anything for them. Most Sodidn't care about Ann, which is why they left, and some were forced by Carl to shoot the film. And some did care about getting Ann back.

In the original script, Jack was in the airforce in WWI, so he may have had some combat training as well. That possibly could have been carried over as a backstory in this film but it's never mentioned. WWI happened. Jack may have been drafted as many men were.

[El Payaso]

Haha:woot:. I agree.
Also Black is to drama what Brody is to action. He looks pretty ridiculous and unbelievable when he attempts it.

It was Black's chance to pull a Jim Carrey and prove he could also do drama.

Well... it wasn't the same actually as Jack Black was never able to make me laugh to start with.

And, as you say, his attempt at drama sucked more or less the same.

As for the "love story", well it's the heart and story of KK after all and I thought it was moving, thanks to the superb CGI work and Watts' convincing performance.

When Kong and Ann would look into each other's eyes I can't help feeling they're thinking, "God, this love is so tragically impossible..." "Yes. You mean consummation, right?" "Yeah, that's like not happening."

And the fight with the 3 T Rexes was amazing.

Yep. CGI was the thing that make me pout the dvd on and fast forwarding one hour into the movie each time.

The only other thing that was good were the first 2 or 3 minutes of the film.

[El Payaso]

Well, some people have no fear. And he loves Ann. If someone really loves someone, they will do anything for them.

I'll buy he magically became an expert brave explorer much easier than he fell in actual love. Sure, he had the hots for her - who wouldn't - but real true love? That's another stretch this movie demand me to buy.

Most Sodidn't care about Ann, which is why they left, and some were forced by Carl to shoot the film. And some did care about getting Ann back.

I don't think that kind of sailors could be interested in some unemployed average actress so much they would risk their lives instead of save as much of their lives and money as they can. After all it was Denham's tricks what put their lives at stake ignoring what they were going to face.

And then, not only do they go back for this worthless unknown actress but they also agree to try and capture a giant ape just because it was important for Denham. And at that point of the movie they weren't too appreciative about Denham's plans; all they want to do was save their lives.

[gwynplaine]

It was Black's chance to pull a Jim Carrey and prove he could also do drama.
Agreed. Sometimes it can be interesting when a comedian do drama (like with Carrey) but with Black it just didn't work for me and also I didn't buy him as a young "Orson Welles" type.

When Kong and Ann would look into each other's eyes I can't help feeling they're thinking, "God, this love is so tragically impossible..." "Yes. You mean consummation, right?" "Yeah, that's like not happening."
Haha. I see what you mean. But to be fair it's a little bit the nature of this story. The Beauty and the Beast angle I was talking about before.
Kong could also be viewed in a way as some sort of very large and lonely pet:woot:. Anyway, it worked for me and I thought it was moving. Just like in the original movie.

[El Payaso]

Agreed. Sometimes it can be interesting when a comedian do drama (like with Carrey) but with Black it just didn't work for me and also I didn't buy him as a young "Orson Welles" type.

I don't know why he insisted in trying to be funny with Denham.

Haha. I see what you mean. But to be fair it's a little bit the nature of this story. The Beauty and the Beast angle I was talking about before.

Well, there was a line aboput beauty and the beast, but it was not that exactly. I remember Kong taking Ann's clothes off (even in Kong 76) and the tickling too. He was attracted to her not in a completely innocent Disney-like romantic way.

There was curiosity from Kong, and Ann was very much afraid of him. They never 'got along,' nor did they have those domestic marital arguments they had in Jackson's movie.

Of course by the end of the story she felt bad for him, but that's far from being in love.

Kong could also be viewed in a way as some sort of very large and lonely pet:woot:. Anyway, it worked for me and I thought it was moving. Just like in the original movie.

Just imagine the pet of yours you like or have liked the most. Now imagine that you both are watching the sunset looking into each other's eyes with lovey dovey faces, a romantic music and tragedy in your glances. Try and keep that scene going in your mind with a straight face.

[gwynplaine]

I don't know why he insisted in trying to be funny with Denham.



Well, there was a line aboput beauty and the beast, but it was not that exactly. I remember Kong taking Ann's clothes off (even in Kong 76) and the tickling too. He was attracted to her not in a completely innocent Disney-like romantic way.

There was curiosity from Kong, and Ann was very much afraid of him. They never 'got along,' nor did they have those domestic marital arguments they had in Jackson's movie.

Of course by the end of the story she felt bad for him, but that's far from being in love.



Just imagine the pet of yours you like or have liked the most. Now imagine that you both are watching the sunset looking into each other's eyes with lovey dovey faces, a romantic music and tragedy in your glances. Try and keep that scene going in your mind with a straight face.
Haha. Good point. But just like Doctor Jones or Peter Jackson, 1933's KK is one of the films that made me want to become a filmmaker:woot:.
And I thought that Jackson's take on the story showed a lot of respect and love for the original film. But I agree, he probably should have paid more attention to the script though.

[Parker Wayne]

It was Rocky and Sergio Leone's films that made me want to be a filmmaker.

[Doctor Jones]

I'll buy he magically became an expert brave explorer much easier than he fell in actual love. Sure, he had the hots for her - who wouldn't - but real true love? That's another stretch this movie demand me to buy.



I don't think that kind of sailors could be interested in some unemployed average actress so much they would risk their lives instead of save as much of their lives and money as they can. After all it was Denham's tricks what put their lives at stake ignoring what they were going to face.

And then, not only do they go back for this worthless unknown actress but they also agree to try and capture a giant ape just because it was important for Denham. And at that point of the movie they weren't too appreciative about Denham's plans; all they want to do was save their lives.

That's one of the things that I think Jackson asks. Is it true love? I think it's up to the viewer. I think he does. When he's sitting in the theater at his play and he's thinking to himself as it goes on I think he realizes it.

But what about doing it out of the goodness of their hearts? That it's the right thing to do. And some men did think your thoughts as well. They didn't think it was worth the trouble. Some of them left, but some stayed because I think they thought it was the right thing to do. Isn't that enough? Bravery and good will isn't a stretch. Why should be care about a worthless homeless person? We should help them, because it's the right thing to do, but alot of us don't. Some people won't bother, others will.

[gwynplaine]

It was Rocky and Sergio Leone's films that made me want to be a filmmaker.
:up:

[Doctor Jones]

It was Rocky and Sergio Leone's films that made me want to be a filmmaker.

Cool, man, you must have started up college now. Are you in film school? If so how that going?

[Parker Wayne]

Cool, man, you must have started up college now. Are you in film school? If so how that going?

Well I'm not in Film School yet. When I was accepted to Syracuse, I didn't get into the communication school (They accept only %10 of applicants), so I have to do an internal transfer, but I've been reading a lot of story and screenwriting books.

But yeah, college is awesome.

[Drizzle]

It was Black's chance to pull a Jim Carrey and prove he could also do drama.

Well... it wasn't the same actually as Jack Black was never able to make me laugh to start with.

And, as you say, his attempt at drama sucked more or less the same.
In Black's defense, the character was never really meant to be taken that seriously in the first place. Up until Kong was captured, anyway. Black is more of a lighter supporting character in "King Kong" much like Jeff Goldblum was in "Jurassic Park".

[Homer J. Fong]

In Black's defense, the character was never really meant to be taken that seriously in the first place. Up until Kong was captured, anyway. Black is more of a lighter supporting character in "King Kong" much like Jeff Goldblum was in "Jurassic Park".

No, Denham is not a serious figure, he's oversized, he's a showman, and so I've never thought Black was miscast at all. I don't think he's great in the film - I think the only great performances in the movie are from Naomi Watts as Ann and Andy Serkis mo-capping for Kong.

[Doctor Jones]

Well I'm not in Film School yet. When I was accepted to Syracuse, I didn't get into the communication school (They accept only %10 of applicants), so I have to do an internal transfer, but I've been reading a lot of story and screenwriting books.

But yeah, college is awesome.

Ah, transfering I hear ya. The two year transfer? I may have to do that myself. But I'm gonna work hard this year so I do have the chance of getting in. I'd like to go to RIT which has a great film program.

Good to hear it's going well for you. What classes are you doing now?

[Doctor Jones]

No, Denham is not a serious figure, he's oversized, he's a showman, and so I've never thought Black was miscast at all. I don't think he's great in the film - I think the only great performances in the movie are from Naomi Watts as Ann and Andy Serkis mo-capping for Kong.

I swear to God, in some shots, Thomas Kretschmann looked alot like a young Liam Neeson.

[Parker Wayne]

Ah, transfering I hear ya. The two year transfer? I may have to do that myself. But I'm gonna work hard this year so I do have the chance of getting in. I'd like to go to RIT which has a great film program.

Good to hear it's going well for you. What classes are you doing now?

I can actually transfer in one year. My major right now is psychology since it helps with creating characterrs and motives. I also have do a few mandatory freshman classes along with taking Italian.

[Dark Victory]

Well I'm not in Film School yet. When I was accepted to Syracuse, I didn't get into the communication school (They accept only %10 of applicants), so I have to do an internal transfer, but I've been reading a lot of story and screenwriting books.

But yeah, college is awesome.


Man, I would kill to get into Syracuse. Congrats. My GPA's at 3.9 right now, but it's definitely going to drop this year because of AP classes, and other Junior year crap. I really hope all of my activities level it out:doh:

[Parker Wayne]

Unpopular opinion: I actually like Zac Efron and Robert Pattinson as actors though I don't think they'll ever be able to shed their teen idol image like Leonardo DiCaprio did.

Man, I would kill to get into Syracuse. Congrats. My GPA's at 3.9 right now, but it's definitely going to drop this year because of AP classes, and other Junior year crap. I really hope all of my activities level it out:doh:

I got into Syracuse with a 3.4 (finished with 3.5) GPA, 1630 SATs, and a load of extra curriculars.

[Doctor Jones]

I took psych in my junior year, figuring it would somehow help with characters and such. It didn't really...

Damn, I need to take my SAT's again. In November. You can combine SAT scores right? Or is that just wishful thinking? I know you can take the better one.

I outright sucked on the math part of the SAT. I didn't do well on the first one too. Math has never been my friend.

Suppoooosedly my GPA was a 3.5 or higher when I got some letter from some place in April. I think that was a scam.

Christ, I have to work my ass off this year. I have a job too now, so it's gonna cut alot of my personal time out. At least I get to go to DC this December for my AP Gov't class.

[Parker Wayne]

I took psych in my junior year, figuring it would somehow help with characters and such. It didn't really...

Damn, I need to take my SAT's again. In November. You can combine SAT scores right? Or is that just wishful thinking? I know you can take the better one.

I outright sucked on the math part of the SAT. I didn't do well on the first one too. Math has never been my friend.

Suppoooosedly my GPA was a 3.5 or higher when I got some letter from some place in April. I think that was a scam.

Christ, I have to work my ass off this year. I have a job too now, so it's gonna cut alot of my personal time out. At least I get to go to DC this December for my AP Gov't class.

Don't ever believe the college letters. I got one from the University of Chicago, and I knew there was no way in hell I'd get into U of Chicago.

And you can combine SAT scores I believe. Thats a rule that they added just last year.

[Doctor Jones]

I figured so. It was some National Society or something. It had Ed Harris' picture on it.

And thank God you can. Phew, I just need better scores this year. It's probably just for the categories you can combine and not the entire score?

You're probably staying on campus obviously. How have you been adjusting to it all? Is it difficult or alot of fun? Or both?

[Sentinel X]

Speaking of King Kong... I prefer King Kong (2005) than the original. I think the original is the more important film (due to its release date and its charm) but it has some of the most 2-dimmensional characters I've ever seen from a 'masterpiece'. I still really like the original but more like from a technical viewpoint.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah same here. It's very fast paced too.

[Drizzle]

Speaking of King Kong... I prefer King Kong (2005) than the original. I think the original is the more important film (due to its release date and its charm) but it has some of the most 2-dimmensional characters I've ever seen from a 'masterpiece'. I still really like the original but more like from a technical viewpoint.
That's how I feel too. Denham was the only interesting character in the original, and that was because of the actor. All Fay Wray did was just sit there and scream. Kong was just a big dumb brute in the original, whereas in the Jackson version he can be viewed as a complex character.

[Parker Wayne]

I figured so. It was some National Society or something. It had Ed Harris' picture on it.

And thank God you can. Phew, I just need better scores this year. It's probably just for the categories you can combine and not the entire score?

You're probably staying on campus obviously. How have you been adjusting to it all? Is it difficult or alot of fun? Or both?

The transition was pretty smooth. It felt strange to live alone, but everything been fine. As long you as you stay on top of your work, you'll be fine.

Speaking of King Kong... I prefer King Kong (2005) than the original. I think the original is the more important film (due to its release date and its charm) but it has some of the most 2-dimmensional characters I've ever seen from a 'masterpiece'. I still really like the original but more like from a technical viewpoint.

You forgot about the racism and the annoying screaming. :cwink:

[Doctor Jones]

The transition was pretty smooth. It felt strange to live alone, but everything been fine. As long you as you stay on top of your work, you'll be fine.



You forgot about the racism and the annoying screaming. :cwink:

That sounds about right. I don't think I'll be on the hype as much given I will be pretty busy this year with school, work, and all the stuff for college. But we'll see.

[Parker Wayne]

Well I only take 14 credits this semester and I haven't even gotten to the hard stuff yet so I'm free on nights in which I'm not participating in extracurriculars :cwink:

[Wesley Dodds]

Star Trek (2009) is the best of the Trek movies... There, I said it!

[VenomVsSpidey]

Lemony Snicket's A.S.O.U.E should have gotten a sequel. I love the books, and was sorely disappointed not to be able to see the miserable mill adapted.

[Figs]

Lemony Snicket's A.S.O.U.E should have gotten a sequel. I love the books, and was sorely disappointed not to be able to see the miserable mill adapted.

I avoided the movie thinking it was going to be fairly lame and at that point I was just a tad bit annoyed by Carrey.

My gf got me to watch it about a year ago and it was a pretty fun film. I would have watched a sequel if they would have made one.

[El Payaso]

Star Trek (2009) is the best of the Trek movies... There, I said it!

I haven't seen but the first and second ST movies, but I can't believe the rest are that bad.

[Wesley Dodds]

I haven't seen but the first and second ST movies, but I can't believe the rest are that bad.


They aren't bad, they're just a little bit uneven, ST '09 gat's the balance of sci-fi, action, drama and comedy just right. The only thing they could have improved was the villain but that can be remedied in ST 2 with a little "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN" action.

[Dark Victory]

I got into Syracuse with a 3.4 (finished with 3.5) GPA, 1630 SATs, and a load of extra curriculars.


Nice. What'd you participate in?

[Chris Wallace]

Star Trek (2009) is the best of the Trek movies... There, I said it!

I would agree here.

[david icke]

They aren't bad, they're just a little bit uneven, ST '09 gat's the balance of sci-fi, action, drama and comedy just right. The only thing they could have improved was the villain but that can be remedied in ST 2 with a little "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNN" action.

Yeah, I think the new one is the best one yet, I don't think that's too unpopular an opinion.
but, anyway, I was saying much the same thing about the next one, just use Khan again, and a stalwart Star Trek fan came in and pointed out to me that the villan Nero was already a bit of Khan rip-off, and I realised he was right. He was not that great a villan Nero, but Khan was by far the best ST villan, I would like to see a new version of him in the new series at some point. It would be good if they could come up with a new villan on their own that was dynamite though, kind of a hard lightning in a bottle thing to do though.

[Parker Wayne]

Nice. What'd you participate in?

Debate team, Play production team, literary magazine, school newspaper, head of tv production and president of the film club, and a few more things I don't remember.

[Drizzle]

Star Trek (2009) is the best of the Trek movies... There, I said it!
I wouldn't call that an unpopular opinion, considering it's the highest rated "Star Trek" movie on Rotten Tomatoes at 94% fresh.

[El Payaso]

I wouldn't call that an unpopular opinion, considering it's the highest rated "Star Trek" movie on Rotten Tomatoes at 94% fresh.

I agree, that's not unpopular.

Here's unpopular: I felt Star Trek 2009 was a big-budget bad sitcom. I ended up with a headache from so much eye-rolling. Saw it once and won't see it again.

[VenomVsSpidey]

I avoided the movie thinking it was going to be fairly lame and at that point I was just a tad bit annoyed by Carrey.

My gf got me to watch it about a year ago and it was a pretty fun film. I would have watched a sequel if they would have made one.

It was! It also felt very, very burton-esque, imo. If you get a chance, read the books. they're good stuff :up:

[Doctor Jones]

The books were my favorite as a kid. I read them along with the Alex Rider series before I started reading Harry Potter. I would have loved a sequel. Carrey was pretty great in the role. He looked exactly like Olaf.

[Doctor Jones]

Well I only take 14 credits this semester and I haven't even gotten to the hard stuff yet so I'm free on nights in which I'm not participating in extracurriculars :cwink:

That's gotta be nice then.

I don't know how I would be able to balance a job with extracurriculars and other things. All my clubs at our school suck. I wish we had some like that.

[Doctor Jones]

Star Trek (2009) is the best of the Trek movies... There, I said it!

I've only seen this and Khan. Now Khan was a pretty pimp film, but I preferred this. This film is what ST needed all these years. It made me more enthused about the show.

[david icke]

I've only seen this and Khan. Now Khan was a pretty pimp film, but I preferred this. This film is what ST needed all these years. It made me more enthused about the show.

I did not realise this until a Trekkie pointed it out to me recently, as I had not seen ST3 for eons, but ST2, 3 and 4 make for a pretty sweet trilogy, they connect up pretty seamlessly, the events taking place right against each other.

[Doctor Jones]

I need to get around and watch the third and fourth films.

Anyway, my unpopular opinion is that David Goyer gets less credit than he deserves. Sure, he's a ****** director, but he's a better writer. I mean he wrote Batman Begins and cooked up the story with Nolan for TDK. He's not a hack, he just needs to work with good material. I'm looking forward to see what he came up with for Superman.

[Tron Bonne]

I've only seen this and Khan. Now Khan was a pretty pimp film, but I preferred this. This film is what ST needed all these years. It made me more enthused about the show.

I feel pretty much the polar opposite from a storytelling point of view. From a financial point of view, I guess so, but they really killed a lot of what made Trek great for that film.

[Bunker]

I've only seen this and Khan. Now Khan was a pretty pimp film, but I preferred this. This film is what ST needed all these years. It made me more enthused about the show.

People still describe stuff as "pimp"? You learn something new everyday.

[Blackman]

I didnt like Wrath of Khan.
Khan looked like a joke

[Parker Wayne]

I feel pretty much the polar opposite from a storytelling point of view. From a financial point of view, I guess so, but they really killed a lot of what made Trek great for that film.

I think it was a great move from a storytelling point of view. Is it the best Star Trek story for a film? I still feel like storywise, Wrath of Khan was better due to many elements of WOK being used for Star Trek 09'. But it brought something new and fresh to the table.

It was gonna piss of Trek fans because of a new universe, but I don't think there really was a better option because Star Trek films were getting stale.

[Doctor Jones]

I feel pretty much the polar opposite from a storytelling point of view. From a financial point of view, I guess so, but they really killed a lot of what made Trek great for that film.

I just meant of what ST had going against it in this decade and what was holding it back. ST needed some rock n' roll as Abrams described. it struck the perfect balance of connecting with ardcore fans and the GA. And ST should bring everyone together. I'm glad they recognized that, because before it jst had this stigma attached to it, where people didn't connect with it. The theme of the entire show was the world coming together and getting past our differences to explore the unknown together. From a audience standpoint, the GA and the fans never met eye to eye on the franchise. They stayed true to the spirit of the show and why it made it so great, but gave it just added pizazz which it didn't have before. ST is as adventurous as it is cerebral. I always felt ST didn't live up to its adventurous aspect. Roddenberry said that he wished the best of luck to whomever came along and did something different with Star Trek. I don't see how it killed anything. I think its success here brought it into the mainstream more but still retaining what made it so great in the first place.

[Doctor Jones]

People still describe stuff as "pimp"? You learn something new everyday.

In my vocabulary yes. :o:oldrazz:

[Tron Bonne]

I think it was a great move from a storytelling point of view. Is it the best Star Trek story for a film? I still feel like storywise, Wrath of Khan was better due to many elements of WOK being used for Star Trek 09'. But it brought something new and fresh to the table.

It was gonna piss of Trek fans because of a new universe, but I don't think there really was a better option because Star Trek films were getting stale.

I thought it was a decent film storywise, but it felt all flash to me. The new universe aspect didn't bother me, what bothered me was the direction they put the franchise in. I would have just preferred it stayed stale until tastes shifted to where something like Trek could be revitalized in a better way.

I just meant of what ST had going against it in this decade and what was holding it back. ST needed some rock n' roll as Abrams described. it struck the perfect balance of connecting with ardcore fans and the GA. And ST should bring everyone together. I'm glad they recognized that, because before it jst had this stigma attached to it, where people didn't connect with it. The theme of the entire show was the world coming together and getting past our differences to explore the unknown together. From a audience standpoint, the GA and the fans never met eye to eye on the franchise. They stayed true to the spirit of the show and why it made it so great, but gave it just added pizazz which it didn't have before. ST is as adventurous as it is cerebral. I always felt ST didn't live up to its adventurous aspect. Roddenberry said that he wished the best of luck to whomever came along and did something different with Star Trek. I don't see how it killed anything. I think its success here brought it into the mainstream more but still retaining what made it so great in the first place.

It lived up fine to it's adventurous side, it just wasn't action-adventure, it was explore adventure, which is exciting in it's own right, at least to me anyway.

I disagree that it kept to the spirit of the older series. Even the lesser films of the series, at their heart, had very cool and interesting ideas. Even Wrath of Khan, which was primarily an action film, had the genesis project and all the implications from it and so on. Not every episode of all the series was quite Sci-fi with a capital S & F, but they at least kept that as the general thing throughout. It was never a series of just 'action, action, action, action,', but one of ideas, politics, moral decisions, civilization, etc. There was plenty of action throughout the series, of course, but that was never the draw of the series for me.

What you essentially have with the reboot film is Star Wars with Star Trek characters thrown in. It's got this decent enough story with some decent enough characters, but it's pretty much all boom and 'rock 'n roll'. The closest you get is the idea of branching time lines, but it doesn't come off more than just a quick mention of 'Bro, we just alternated time *fist bump*', and that's about it. Now, of course, they could take it back to the roots more, but considering Abrams attitude towards the franchise, as well as GA tastes towards less special effects spectacles sci-fi films, it's doubtful.

And, before you assume anything, I'm really not some hardcore 'Trekkie' or anything, just a general fan (unless that's what a Trekkie is, but eh, whatever). I like Star Wars fine, but I also like that Trek was somewhat an alternative to that kind of thing, now they're basically interchangeable. That's not to say this new movie was bad or anything (I wouldn't call it a bad sitcom or anything :p), but it was basically just a loud, fun blockbuster with some Trek characters and references thrown in to me (and you don't even have the best characters from the series, sheez). Which, is fine in its own right, but to me, that just wasn't what I look for in ST.

My best hope is that the new popularity will spawn a show more in the vein and roots of the older series on TV. That's how ST is really enjoyed anyway.

[VenomVsSpidey]

The books were my favorite as a kid. I read them along with the Alex Rider series before I started reading Harry Potter. I would have loved a sequel. Carrey was pretty great in the role. He looked exactly like Olaf.

Very well said :up:

Especially for Olaf...Carrey was a dead ringer.

[Blackman]

Minority Report>>>>>>>>>Blade Runner

[scatterax]

kinda random, and not sure if this is unpopular or not but Dbz animated movies are way better than most of disney direct-to-dvd sequels to their classics. (only exceptiong being the lion king sequels)

[Blackman]

^^^Well thats because DBZ is the sh**

Heres not really a opinion but a question. What's up with Betty White? I mean shes always been funny, but as of late she seems to be popping up everywhere and people hailing her as a legend. Which she is, but it seems that people have become more outspoken and public about being fans of hers. Why is this?

[Figs]

^^^Well thats because DBZ is the sh**

Heres not really a opinion but a question. What's up with Betty White? I mean shes always been funny, but as of late she seems to be popping up everywhere and people hailing her as a legend. Which she is, but it seems that people have become more outspoken and public about being fans of hers. Why is this?

They're called Bandwagoners.

She's having a major comeback and is the only surviving member of the Golden Girls, so people are jumping on her revival acting like they've been long time fans. Same thing happened with MJ, but that was due to his death. Pathetic how record sales skyrocketed.

[OctaviusINC]

Same thing happened with MJ, but that was due to his death. Pathetic how record sales skyrocketed.

You don't know what you got till it's gone. :csad:

And though I never thought Betty White was anything special, at least she's getting some praise while she's with us.

Could be irritating but it happens.

[Tron Bonne]

It's kind of strange to see all the Betty White love, but I was a fan of her due to The Golden Girls (which I do, and will always, utterly adore). I guess it could be bandwagoning, but I do think a lot of stemmed from her exceptional appearance on SNL, and the more younger generation saw how damn funny she was. I know that spun from some Facebook thing, but it was my understanding that was more of a psuedo-joke or something, not a serious attempt.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

The Betty White thing has ran its course.

[Doctor Jones]

I was thinking the same thing abgout White too. She's suddenly the in thing. Whatever. I liker her and all, but she's just a pop culture fad.

[Doctor Jones]

I thought it was a decent film storywise, but it felt all flash to me. The new universe aspect didn't bother me, what bothered me was the direction they put the franchise in. I would have just preferred it stayed stale until tastes shifted to where something like Trek could be revitalized in a better way.



It lived up fine to it's adventurous side, it just wasn't action-adventure, it was explore adventure, which is exciting in it's own right, at least to me anyway.

I disagree that it kept to the spirit of the older series. Even the lesser films of the series, at their heart, had very cool and interesting ideas. Even Wrath of Khan, which was primarily an action film, had the genesis project and all the implications from it and so on. Not every episode of all the series was quite Sci-fi with a capital S & F, but they at least kept that as the general thing throughout. It was never a series of just 'action, action, action, action,', but one of ideas, politics, moral decisions, civilization, etc. There was plenty of action throughout the series, of course, but that was never the draw of the series for me.

What you essentially have with the reboot film is Star Wars with Star Trek characters thrown in. It's got this decent enough story with some decent enough characters, but it's pretty much all boom and 'rock 'n roll'. The closest you get is the idea of branching time lines, but it doesn't come off more than just a quick mention of 'Bro, we just alternated time *fist bump*', and that's about it. Now, of course, they could take it back to the roots more, but considering Abrams attitude towards the franchise, as well as GA tastes towards less special effects spectacles sci-fi films, it's doubtful.

And, before you assume anything, I'm really not some hardcore 'Trekkie' or anything, just a general fan (unless that's what a Trekkie is, but eh, whatever). I like Star Wars fine, but I also like that Trek was somewhat an alternative to that kind of thing, now they're basically interchangeable. That's not to say this new movie was bad or anything (I wouldn't call it a bad sitcom or anything :p), but it was basically just a loud, fun blockbuster with some Trek characters and references thrown in to me (and you don't even have the best characters from the series, sheez). Which, is fine in its own right, but to me, that just wasn't what I look for in ST.

My best hope is that the new popularity will spawn a show more in the vein and roots of the older series on TV. That's how ST is really enjoyed anyway.

We must have a different idea of excitment then.

I really like the OS, but Nimoy even said they were limited on the budget so they didn't get to go as adventurous as they would have wanted. Here they got bigger and flashier special effects and bringing it to the modern world, and reintroducing it.

I admit, this film doesn't have the deep social issues that the series had, but this is the origin of the entire crew. You don't have time to tell the origin of two characters and their separate ways and meeting, along with how the crew got together, with a deep social issue. I felt they had to establish everyone first. But the film has a strong theme of camraderie and friendship and it still carries Rodenberry's best message of ST -- the positive message of the world coming together and getting past our differences to become a diverse crew and explore the universe together. The differences, the struggles, the friendships made all still remained. They're simple themes, but just as powerful.

So in the second film, I expect deeper themes and such. But here I think in order to reintroduce it to audiences, they had to go back and establish and for everyone to latch onto.

[Tron Bonne]

I was thinking the same thing abgout White too. She's suddenly the in thing. Whatever. I liker her and all, but she's just a pop culture fad.

Well, if that's the case, at least it's much better than the usual pop culture fad.

[Doctor Jones]

Minority Report>>>>>>>>>Blade Runner

Agreed.

[Ipodman]

So in the second film, I expect deeper themes and such. But here I think in order to reintroduce it to audiences, they had to go back and establish and for everyone to latch onto.

I hope so... but how does everyone latch onto something that is one of the biggest "nerd" franchises ever?

[Tron Bonne]

We must have a different idea of excitment then.Guess so. To me, exploring ideas, cultures, and morals is just as exciting as 'pop, pop, bang, bang', albeit in a different way

I really like the OS, but Nimoy even said they were limited on the budget so they didn't get to go as adventurous as they would have wanted. Here they got bigger and flashier special effects and bringing it to the modern world, and reintroducing it.

There's more than just TOS, though.

I admit, this film doesn't have the deep social issues that the series had, but this is the origin of the entire crew. You don't have time to tell the origin of two characters and their separate ways and metting, along with how the crew got together, with a deep social issue. I felt they had to establish everyone first. But the film has a strong theme of camraderie and friendship and it still carries Roddenberries best message of ST -- the positive message of the world coming together and getting past our differences to become a diverse crew and explore the universe together. The differences, the struggles, the friendships made all still remained.See the beginning of TNG. Everything introduced first, but then we almost instantly get the idea of humanities place in the universe and the idea of Gods intervening to stop them. Not Faulkner, but in half the time, you get three times the content of the new film.

And that whole 'everyone come together thing' is eh. I mean, sure, it's kind of in the background of Trek, but it's not so major of a part of the series that just having it makes it remedy any other failings. Maybe if they had done something with it past 'Hell yeah *fist bump*', sure, but Trek never does anything of any real value with that.

So in the second film, I expect deeper themes and such. But here I think in order to reintroduce it to audiences, they had to go back and establish and for everyone to latch onto.Eh, whatever. I think my example above shows you can do both. People just want explosions and twenty somethings turning witty one-liners and fist bumping and all that. I doubt the second film will go any deeper, Abrams has found the formula and he seems pretty clear that this is the new ST. I don't even care that much about the TOS cast outside Spock and McCoy, so I feel no more attachment to the series as is. I'll just watch Star Wars. Well, okay, I will probably watch them as they come, but my enjoyment and excitement of the series has diminished quite a bit.

[Doctor Jones]

Guess so. To me, exploring ideas, cultures, and morals is just as exciting as 'pop, pop, bang, bang', albeit in a different way



There's more than just TOS, though.

See the beginning of TNG. Everything introduced first, but then we almost instantly get the idea of humanities place in the universe and the idea of Gods intervening to stop them. Not Faulkner, but in half the time, you get three times the content of the new film.

And that whole 'everyone come together thing' is eh. I mean, sure, it's kind of in the background of Trek, but it's not so major of a part of the series that just having it makes it remedy any other failings. Maybe if they had done something with it past 'Hell yeah *fist bump*', sure, but Trek never does anything of any real value with that.

Eh, whatever. I think my example above shows you can do both. People just want explosions and twenty somethings turning witty one-liners and fist bumping and all that. I doubt the second film will go any deeper, Abrams has found the formula and he seems pretty clear that this is the new ST. I don't even care that much about the TOS cast outside Spock and McCoy, so I feel no more attachment to the series as is. I'll just watch Star Wars. Well, okay, I will probably watch them as they come, but my enjoyment and excitement of the series has diminished quite a bit.

Oh, it is just as interesting. It's just to me, the adventure and intellectual angle never seemed to balance out all that much in the series. It was just the budget they were working on. But it was just as much of an adventure series as it was a cerebral one.

The whole film was meant to reintroduce audiences to the characters. There's so much ST canon and stories, so for new people, they can just start here if they want to. It addressed who these characters were, and kept the main optimistic theme from the show. But it gave us more than what was seen with ST before. I think it fits just as well. Audiences can now latch onto these characters so much more, and that's really cool. Hardcore Trek fans even loved it. My whole theater applauded at the end. It was alot of Trekkies, and a portion of the GA. All of us came together and shared an experience that we didn't think was possible with ST. Roddenberry's show's main theme was everyone coming together to share a vision of the future and the present, and this film did that.

[HenryJ]

Isn't it a little weird to be complaining that a movie based primarily off TOS lacks the constant philosophical reinforcements of the later series?

I think so.

[Tron Bonne]

Isn't it a little weird to be complaining that a movie based primarily off TOS lacks the constant philosophical reinforcements of the later series?

I think so.

Uh, TOS had a lot of those things, too. :huh:

Admittedly, it wasn't as developed as later series (one of the reasons I always felt TOS was lacking), but I don't see why I shouldn't put the movie to those standards when it's always been part of the basis of the the entire franchise. Exploring ideas and themes was part of TOS, even if they didn't go as far as TNG, for example, did.

Oh, it is just as interesting. It's just to me, the adventure and intellectual angle never seemed to balance out all that much in the series. It was just the budget they were working on. But it was just as much of an adventure series as it was a cerebral one.

The whole film was meant to reintroduce audiences to the characters. There's so much ST canon and stories, so for new people, they can just start here if they want to. It addressed who these characters were, and kept the main optimistic theme from the show. But it gave us more than what was seen with ST before. I think it fits just as well. Audiences can now latch onto these characters so much more, and that's really cool. Hardcore Trek fans even loved it. My whole theater applauded at the end. It was alot of Trekkies, and a portion of the GA. All of us came together and shared an experience that we didn't think was possible with ST. Roddenberry's show's main theme was everyone coming together to share a vision of the future and the present, and this film did that.

Um, well, okay, you more or less just repeated what you said earlier, so I won't just reiterate what I said in rebuttal. Though I'm not sure where you are getting that was the 'main theme' of ST. I don't think there was ever a main theme of the series to speak. The idea of a more globalized community and such was there, but it's not like it was constant there above all else or put to anymore importance than, say, the theme of misusing religion to rule people or the idea of a robotic life, those kinds of things. And, even if it was theoretically speaking, as I said, I don't believe this film did that to any significant degree.

[Doctor Jones]

But it is true. The optimism of the world and the future was the overall theme of every ST episode. That was always Rodenberry's main intent. Just the crew being there together, the theme was being played out. Now there were other themes like bigotry or harming of a species. But at the end of the day, it still all tied back to the characters and what makes them so likeable in the first place. It's about their camraderie. I mean without the likeability of the characters, where would the show be? It wouldn't have lasted this long without them. I just see this film as getting back to the characters and re familiarizing them with audiences.

[Parker Wayne]

Minority Report>>>>>>>>>Blade Runner

I also agree.

Oh, it is just as interesting. It's just to me, the adventure and intellectual angle never seemed to balance out all that much in the series. It was just the budget they were working on. But it was just as much of an adventure series as it was a cerebral one.

The whole film was meant to reintroduce audiences to the characters. There's so much ST canon and stories, so for new people, they can just start here if they want to. It addressed who these characters were, and kept the main optimistic theme from the show. But it gave us more than what was seen with ST before. I think it fits just as well. Audiences can now latch onto these characters so much more, and that's really cool. Hardcore Trek fans even loved it. My whole theater applauded at the end. It was alot of Trekkies, and a portion of the GA. All of us came together and shared an experience that we didn't think was possible with ST. Roddenberry's show's main theme was everyone coming together to share a vision of the future and the present, and this film did that.

I agree. The first film was primarily to establish a new Universe (by retconning?) and establish a new status quo in terms of character history. It was a character driven story in which I did seem theme such as bigotry (with Spock) and finding your place in world (with Kirk). I also saw a deep empathetic character with Nero. He's a man who was angry that his world was destroyed in which he became more than a just cardboard cutout of a character.

[Tron Bonne]

But it is true. The optimism of the world and the future was the overall theme of every ST episode. That was always Rodenberry's main intent. Just the crew being there together, the theme was being played out. Now there were other themes like bigotry or harming of a species. But at the end of the day, it still all tied back to the characters and what makes them so likable in the first place. It's about their camraderie. I mean without the likeability of the characters, where would the show be? It wouldn't have lasted this long without them. I just see this film as getting back to the characters and re familiarizing them with audiences.

Yeah, I just don't see it. It was a theme, but I've never seen it as the theme above all themes in any of the shows. Do you have something that shows Roddenberry saying this? I know it was one of the ideas, but ST was always a slush pit of multiple ideas and themes, not just the one above all. And I'm not sure what this likability aspect has to do with what we're taking about? TNG had likable characters and still kept that core fine :huh:

It was a fun blockbuster film with some decent performances and plenty of things blowing up throughout. The closest things you had to more than surface level was Spock's struggle with his human side and the alternate universe stuff, but both weren't more than an afterthought when everything was said and done. I like to hope the movies will go back a little to the roots and broader ideas that I enjoyed from the series, but I doubt it. Abrams has found the formula, it's what people want, it's what they'll get now.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, I just don't see it. It was a theme, but I've never seen it as the theme above all themes in any of the shows. Do you have something that shows Roddenberry saying this? I know it was one of the ideas, but ST was always a slush pit of multiple ideas and themes, not just the one above all. And I'm not sure what this likability aspect has to do with what we're taking about? TNG had likable characters and still kept that core fine :huh:

It was a fun blockbuster film with some decent performances and plenty of things blowing up throughout. The closest things you had to more than surface level was Spock's struggle with his human side and the alternate universe stuff, but both weren't more than an afterthought when everything was said and done. I like to hope the movies will go back a little to the roots and broader ideas that I enjoyed from the series, but I doubt it. Abrams has found the formula, it's what people want, it's what they'll get now.

TNG was a new series that just served as a next step in the ST universe, with completely new and different characters. This film was getting back to the original characters and showing what made them so great and how they got together by reintroducing them to audiences and making it more accessible, without losing what made the characters great. Two completely different things.

In the behind the scenes of ST, Nimoy talks about it being the theme of the show. I mean a show or film revolves around characters. You can't follow a film if the characters aren't up to par with it. That was just the thing with ST. You had these likeable characters, and the overall theme was all of them as a diverse group of people from all over uniting and going out and exploring foreign places, as foreign as they were too. Which was the optimistic thing about it, making it the most endearing to audiences. The other themes like you mentioned are important as well, but the main theme was the camraderie between these characters. They argue and are different in their views, but they are still a crew and are at eachother's sides. It's the power of friendship. It's as timeless as any one of the other themes they dealt with in the show. We as a world are always hoping to move past our differences and move forward. That was Rodenberry's vision of an optimistic future done by space travel. Now the themes that you said were just apart of the overall theme of Rodenberry's vision, but the main theme of the hope and optimism for the future.

[Tron Bonne]

TNG was a new series that just served as a next step in the ST universe, with completely new and different characters. This film was getting back to the original characters and showing what made them so great and how they got together by reintroducing them to audiences and making it more accessible, without losing what made the characters great. Two completely different things.

In the behind the scenes of ST, Nimoy talks about it being the theme of the show. I mean a show or film revolves around characters. You can't follow a film if the characters aren't up to par with it. That was just the thing with ST. You had these likeable characters, and the overall theme was all of them as a diverse group of people from all over uniting and going out and exploring foreign places, as foreign as they were too. Which was the optimistic thing about it, making it the most endearing to audiences. The other themes like you mentioned are important as well, but the main theme was the camraderie between these characters. They argue and are different in their views, but they are still a crew and are at eachother's sides. It's the power of friendship. It's as timeless as any one of the other themes they dealt with in the show. We as a world are always hoping to move past our differences and move forward. That was Rodenberry's vision of an optimistic future done by space travel. Now the themes that you said were just apart of the overall theme of Rodenberry's vision, but the main theme of the hope and optimism for the future.

Well, I don't know, outside Spock & McCoy I actually think most of the TOS crew kind of sucked :o

I guess I see what you're saying, I just never really say it has the theme above all the others or anything. I kind of see the optimism and such for the future, but I don't know, I guess so.

[The Question]

The Watchemn movie wasn't very good (I know it bombed, but it seems to have a strong following).

Star Trek XI was only impressive in how incredibly average it was. The villain and plot were boring and, especially so in the case of the plot, fairly contrived. The only parts of the movie that got any real reaction out of me were the performances from the main cast.


ESIT: I now just realized that my second point was exactly what was being discussed just previously. My bad.