State your unpopular film related opinion

[Aesop Rocks]

Madvillian never forget, like an elephant. :up:

[roach]

I like Tarantino's list of best 2010 films. (No Inception. No Black Swan:o:oldrazz::woot:)

where can I see this list

[Tron Bonne]

It is poor writing. Just like if a prostitute lures you in with promises of sex, shows you her boobies, and then just gives you a foot massage and takes your money. That would be called "poor hooking."

Writing that you personally don't like isn't necessarily poor writing.

Just because Nolan gave the audience an excuse why he was going to follow up his exciting, city-bending exposition with boring, pedestrian ski-slope action scenes doesn't forgive the fact that he lead with the cool stuff, and followed it with boring stuff.

Answer this, what is the most creative, exciting, visually arresting scene in the movie?

The answer is the exposition scene.Well, as the Dude often would say, 'Like, that's your opinion, man.' If you wanted more or don't think it was forgiven, whatever, but that wasn't really what I was arguing about. You seem to imply that exposition scene set up something and didn't make sense that they didn't use it later, when the entire point of the scene was they couldn't do it, or least couldn't do it and actually accomplish their goal.

To be honest, I wasn't even thinking about that scene later in the film. I was so into the action that was happening, I never thought of it. I liked the film very much, but people should realize that what this film had going for it most is the film's concept.

Now that I think about it, it's a bit weak to introduce these concepts and not use them in the later in the film. Nolan should have created a way to utilize it later in the film.

Do I feel cheated? Not at all. Like I said, I barely thought about that when I watched the movie several times and it never bothered me at all. But when I look at it from a filmmaker's point of view, something more should have been done.

Eh, I just accepted Nolan wasn't going to go that route when he established his own grounded rules to the whole thing. Just like there's nothing wrong with being fantastical and crazy like Scott Pilgrim vs The World and Sucker Punch, there's nothing wrong with this way done well, and I personally felt Inception was done very well.

[Aesop Rocks]

http://www.slashfilm.com/quentin-tarantinos-favorite-movies-2010/

[gwynplaine]

where can I see this list
I think on the quentin tarantino archives site. but here it is anyway. Good list for the most part.

1. Toy Story (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Toy+Story) 3
2. The Social Network
3. Animal Kingdom
4. I Am Love
5. Tangled
6. True Grit
7. The Town
8. Greenberg
9. Cyrus
10. Enter the Void
11. Kick-Ass
12. Knight and Day
13. Get Him to the Greek
14. The Fighter
15. The King's Speech
16. The Kids Are All Right
17. How to Train Your Dragon
18. Robin Hood
19. Amer
20. Jackass 3-D (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jackass+3D)

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2011/01/03/2011-01-03_quentin_tarantino_archives_favorite_movies_of_2 010_lead_with_toy_story_3_traffic.html#ixzz1A2L2KV G2

[Tron Bonne]

What's Amer?

[roach]

kool thanks

[HighFivingMF]

I agree Adriadne was weird because I never "got" her. I understood that after going into the dream world that real life wouldnt be enough but I still never understood what made her so dedicated or even accept the job especially after she found out its illegal.
She was a student. If you were a studying a craft and had an offer to get paid to practice that craft in the dream world without having to worry about funding, hiring workers, or waiting for those skyscrapers to be finished. You just design a hotel and there it is. I don't think it bugged her that it was illegal since she was working with professionals.

[Blackman]

Madvillian never forget, like an elephant. :up:

:up:

[Parker Wayne]

Eh, I just accepted Nolan wasn't going to go that route when he established his own grounded rules to the whole thing. Just like there's nothing wrong with being fantastical and crazy like Scott Pilgrim vs The World and Sucker Punch, there's nothing wrong with this way done well, and I personally felt Inception was done very well.

Well for the most part it ruin my opinion of the film at all.

[Sawyer]

I think on the quentin tarantino archives site. but here it is anyway. Good list for the most part.

1. Toy Story (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Toy+Story) 3
2. The Social Network
3. Animal Kingdom
4. I Am Love
5. Tangled
6. True Grit
7. The Town
8. Greenberg
9. Cyrus
10. Enter the Void
11. Kick-Ass
12. Knight and Day
13. Get Him to the Greek
14. The Fighter
15. The King's Speech
16. The Kids Are All Right
17. How to Train Your Dragon
18. Robin Hood
19. Amer
20. Jackass 3-D (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jackass+3D)

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2011/01/03/2011-01-03_quentin_tarantino_archives_favorite_movies_of_2 010_lead_with_toy_story_3_traffic.html#ixzz1A2L2KV G2

Goddamn right Toy Story 3! :up:

[Parker Wayne]

I think on the quentin tarantino archives site. but here it is anyway. Good list for the most part.

1. Toy Story (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Toy+Story) 3
2. The Social Network
3. Animal Kingdom
4. I Am Love
5. Tangled
6. True Grit
7. The Town
8. Greenberg
9. Cyrus
10. Enter the Void
11. Kick-Ass
12. Knight and Day
13. Get Him to the Greek
14. The Fighter
15. The King's Speech
16. The Kids Are All Right
17. How to Train Your Dragon
18. Robin Hood
19. Amer
20. Jackass 3-D (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jackass+3D)

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2011/01/03/2011-01-03_quentin_tarantino_archives_favorite_movies_of_2 010_lead_with_toy_story_3_traffic.html#ixzz1A2L2KV G2


I'm surprised there's no Black Swan or Inception on the list.

[gwynplaine]

What's Amer?
I might be wrong but I think it's a Belgian Movie that homages the 70's Italian Giallos. (It means bitter in French.)

[SuperFerret]

What is Ariadne's motivation? What is her character arc? What makes her unique as a character? How about Arthur? What stakes does he have in the Inception scheme? How about anybody not Cobb?

They are all flat characters that lack depth, motivation or a character arc.

How were they poor characters?

:dry:

[Crockett]

I think on the quentin tarantino archives site. but here it is anyway. Good list for the most part.

1. Toy Story (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Toy+Story) 3
2. The Social Network
3. Animal Kingdom
4. I Am Love
5. Tangled
6. True Grit
7. The Town
8. Greenberg
9. Cyrus
10. Enter the Void
11. Kick-Ass
12. Knight and Day
13. Get Him to the Greek
14. The Fighter
15. The King's Speech
16. The Kids Are All Right
17. How to Train Your Dragon
18. Robin Hood
19. Amer
20. Jackass 3-D (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jackass+3D)

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2011/01/03/2011-01-03_quentin_tarantino_archives_favorite_movies_of_2 010_lead_with_toy_story_3_traffic.html#ixzz1A2L2KV G2

Weird that he didn't put "Somewhere" there considering that the film got a Golden Lion for Best Picture at the 67th Venice International Film Festival and Tarantino was the president of the jury.

[spider-neil]

I know right?


green lantern has ruined that phrase forever...

What is Ariadne's motivation? What is her character arc? What makes her unique as a character? How about Arthur? What stakes does he have in the Inception scheme? How about anybody not Cobb?

They are all flat characters that lack depth, motivation or a character arc.


ariandne was a walking, talking exposition.

[spider-neil]

double

[El Payaso]

green lantern has ruined that phrase forever...


And I'm afraid it was the other way around too.

[A Necessary Evil]

green lantern has ruined that phrase forever...


:dry:

[hopefuldreamer]

I'd rather watch Kindergarten Cop than Predator...

[hammerhedd11]

I like Tarantino's list of best 2010 films. (No Inception. No Black Swan:o:oldrazz::woot:)

And... Knight And Day over The Fighter and The King's Speech. :o

[Killgore]

I'd rather watch Kindergarten Cop than Predator...

It's not a toomah!

vs

Get to the choppah!






Who will win?

[gwynplaine]

And... Knight And Day over The Fighter and The King's Speech. :o
That's precisely why I said "for the most part" when I posted it later on.
Anyway, no inception, no black swan and no 127 hrs.
Toy Story # 1. Animal Kingdom # 3 (and The Town, social network, cyrus, king's speech, the fighter, true grit, greenberg, jackass 3d) = Still a pretty good list in my book:o.

[Blackman]

I think The Lincoln Lawyer actually looks interesting

[Thebumwhowalks]

You're such a gifted wordsmith.

thank you mister.

edit: I always liked that line from the old John Lennon song 'They hate you when you're clever, yet they despise a fool.', so I try to mix it up to see if that old maxim is true, it seems to be.

[Doctor Jones]

The whole arguement of not utilizaing the folding buildings in Inception doesn't makes sense to me. I mean did they have time to fold a city or building in what they had to do? Plus, that effect can only be used so many times before it become stale anyway. They folded an entire street. That seems like the biggest thing they can do. If they did it again, I'd seem like a cop out in the plot or something.

[Ipodman]

Well.... they could do a car chase on the folded street...

[Doctor Jones]

That would be a pain in the ass. Cobb was getting chased by a train plus they were in the middle of a gunfight and car chase by the projections.

[Sawyer]

Sometimes it feels like you people complain for complaining's sake.

[HighFivingMF]

Well.... they could do a car chase on the folded street...
There's a reason all of the cars showing up on the folded streets came out of a tunnel. The car bending to run up the wall would look silly at best.

[scatterax]

Sometimes it feels like you people complain for complaining's sake.

gosh, your complaining about complainers who complain for the sake of complaining. ARGH:doh:


jk:oldrazz:

[Ipodman]

There's a reason all of the cars showing up on the folded streets came out of a tunnel. The car bending to run up the wall would look silly at best.

it would be a vertical car chase... and then an upside down car chase. and nolan will be able to make it look cool :woot: :dry:

[SuperFerret]

gosh, your complaining about complainers who complain for the sake of complaining. ARGH:doh:


jk:oldrazz:

I'd complain if I could understand that.

[Killgore]

Well.... they could do a car chase on the folded street...

:up:

Would have been way cooler than the Snow Fortress scene from Goldeneye.

[Thebumwhowalks]

:up:

Would have been way cooler than the Snow Fortress scene from Goldeneye.

Yeah, I was talking about that scene a couple of weeks ago on here, and commented that I got a bigger kick out of seeing Roger Moore ski-ing against a filmed backdrop, than the ski-chase/shooting in Inception. I can't recall what Bond movie that is from right now, it opens the movie. I was bored stiff during that scene in Inception.

[Frankenmation]

Sometimes it feels like you people complain for complaining's sake.

Welcome to the Internet. :awesome:

[gwynplaine]

Yeah, I was talking about that scene a couple of weeks ago on here, and commented that I got a bigger kick out of seeing Roger Moore ski-ing against a filmed backdrop, than the ski-chase/shooting in Inception. I can't recall what Bond movie that is from right now, it opens the movie. I was bored stiff during that scene in Inception.
I believe it was "The Spy Who Loved Me" and I too got a bigger kick out of that cheesy opening ski chase scene than the one in Inception.

[Aesop Rocks]

The CGI Hammer in The Social Network > C.L.U in Tron Legacy.

[Blackman]

Well duh ;)

[Aesop Rocks]

in b4 "they had to do an entire body and de-age the guy!!1".

[HighFivingMF]

The CGI Hammer in The Social Network > C.L.U in Tron Legacy.
I think that might actually qualify as fact and not unpopular opinion. :oldrazz:

[Bunker]

David Fincher is probably the best director working when it comes to blending CGI with real footage seamlessly.

[Aesop Rocks]

Really, Bunker? Where has he mixed CG before? (not being an ass, I just honestly don't know).

[HighFivingMF]

Really, Bunker? Where has he mixed CG before? (not being an ass, I just honestly don't know).
Benjamin Button, the outdoor backgrounds in Zodiac, Armie Hammer.

[Doctor Jones]

Zodiac, man.

Yup, and it's good you may no realize it. Because it just shows how ****ing great he is at it. It took me a long time to find out it was CG in areas.

[Aesop Rocks]

WAIT, IN ZODIAC?! :wow:

Where?! I'll have to watch it again!

[HighFivingMF]

WAIT, IN ZODIAC?! :wow:

Where?! I'll have to watch it again!
TT491ctM8Kk

[Aesop Rocks]

You're awesome, MF!

[Aesop Rocks]

Holy ship, that was awesome!!

[Blackman]

Yeah FIncher is really good with handling SFX. He hires the right people.
Still hoping for him for Daredevil

Although I think Zodiac is overrated

[roach]

TT491ctM8Kk

not to take anything away from anyone but you'd be suprised how often this is used in movies and tv

[Aesop Rocks]

Overrated?? More like criminally UNDERRATED.

[Blackman]

overrated critically
underrated commercially

[Aesop Rocks]

You....! :argh:

Zodiac is one of my all time favorites.

Probably Downey's and gyllenhaal's best performances.

[Blackman]

Nah......

[Aesop Rocks]

Yeah.....

[HighFivingMF]

Completely. Casey Jones is in it, and a McPoyle, therefore, it's awesome. Plus all of the other details that make it awesome.

[Tron Bonne]

There was a CG hammer in TSN? Oh well, I'm sure it was better than Clu. Looking at that was like looking at the ark of the covenant. Jesus Christ.

[Aesop Rocks]

I...I think I get it?

[A Necessary Evil]

I...I think I get it?

The Winklevoss Twins.

[Aesop Rocks]

No, I know that. But what Boone said kind of hurt my head. He's too smart for me.

[Tron Bonne]

You seen Indiana Jones? You know what happens to people when they look at the open covenant. It's the same as looking at Clu. And it's not good.

[A Necessary Evil]

No, I know that. But what Boone said kind of hurt my head. He's too smart for me.

oh loll...nevermind then. :o

[Aesop Rocks]

Oh. OHHHHH. Yeah. I get it.

[HighFivingMF]

No, I know that. But what Boone said kind of hurt my head. He's too smart for me.
CGeff Bridges is so horrendous it makes Boone's face melt.

[Aesop Rocks]

The CG was a hit and miss. Sometimes it was good, but mostly it was bad.

[Dark Victory]

^ I liked Tron Legacy. **** all y'all.


. Anyone who holds historical inaccuracy against Inglourious Basterds should just....gah.

[블라스]

I don't think anyone with a brain expects historical accuracy from IB.

[roach]

Complaining the Michael Bay isnt being faithful to the cartoons on Transformers 3. The first one I can see...maybe even the second one...but lets be real. If he didnt follow the cartoon on the first two what makes you think he'll do it on the last one

[JAK®]

I'm thinking they're arguing based on principle rather than to make changes.

[HighFivingMF]

I thought it was a toy first? You need to stay faithful to the toys.

[gwynplaine]

I won't complain if I don't ever see that kid from tron legacy in another movie. People criticize Worthington, but he is Marlon Brando next to that guy whose name i don't even want to look up or know.

[HighFivingMF]

I won't complain if I don't ever see that kid from tron legacy in another movie. People criticize Worthington, but he is Marlon Brando next to that guy whose name i don't even want to look up or know.
Gary Headhunt.

[gwynplaine]

Haha.

[Aesop Rocks]

^ I liked Tron Legacy. **** all y'all.


. Anyone who holds historical inaccuracy against Inglourious Basterds should just....gah.

Waaaaaaait a minute, you liked Legacy over The Social Network?!

Must be because its too mainstream

[Blackman]

Wow no f***ing way HEdlund>>>>>Worthington
Wortington cant even show facial expressions.

Hedlund was fine in Tron Legacy, but he was better in other films. Worthington has never been good

[gwynplaine]

To me Worthington>>>>>>Hedlund. I thought he was terrible in Tron and haven't seen him in anything else (and like i said before I hope to never see him again in anything). And I liked Worthington in rogue, salvation and mostly avatar where i had no problem with his acting at all. Anyway, it's the unpopular opinion thread so it's all good.

[Doctor Jones]

I liked Worthington in Avatar and didn't mind Hedlund in Tron. In fact, the cast was fine with me. It's just the film wasn't good.

[Tron Bonne]

^ I liked Tron Legacy. **** all y'all

Oh, I looked the movie overall, just looking at Clu and the CGed Dude was terrifying.

[Majik1387]

The cgi to make Bridges young in Tron Legacy looked damn good. I don't know what everyone is complaining about.

[Tron Bonne]

He looked like his face was encased in plastic and made out of plastic simultaneously.

[Aesop Rocks]

The CG was literally laughable on his face at times.

[Parker Wayne]

To me Worthington>>>>>>Hedlund. I thought he was terrible in Tron and haven't seen him in anything else (and like i said before I hope to never see him again in anything). And I liked Worthington in rogue, salvation and mostly avatar where i had no problem with his acting at all. Anyway, it's the unpopular opinion thread so it's all good.

I didn't mind Worthington in Avatar, but I didn't like him in Salvation.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

The only decent anime movie made is Ninja Scroll.

[gwynplaine]

I didn't mind Worthington in Avatar, but I didn't like him in Salvation.
I kinda agree with you, Parker. The movie was pretty bad too and it's not easy for an actor to overcome such poor material. But I also thought he was really good in Avatar and in Rogue. Clash of the titans, not so much. (see "poor material":woot:)

[Parker Wayne]

The only decent anime movie made is Ninja Scroll.

I liked that film and Ghost in the Shell.

I kinda agree with you, Parker. The movie was pretty bad too and it's not easy for an actor to overcome such poor material. But I also thought he was really good in Avatar and in Rogue. Clash of the titans, not so much. (see "poor material":woot:)

I knew I was forgetting a movie, but yeah that was pretty bad too.

[Dark Victory]

Waaaaaaait a minute, you liked Legacy over The Social Network?!

Must be because its too mainstream


hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllll no.

Where did I say that?

[A Necessary Evil]

I think clash of the titans isn't bad. Not great, but I didn't feel ripped off walking out of the movies either.

[Figs]

The only decent anime movie made is Ninja Scroll.

:up:

I've seen a number of Anime films, and Ninja Scroll is still my favorite. Most of the others just don't do anything for me.

[Tron Bonne]

I don't even think Ninja Scroll is all that good. It's decent, but put up against Japanese anime films like Akira, Perfect Blue, Milleuinum Actress and other films in the medium, it's fairly subpar I think.

Guess there's an unpopular opinion :o

[LOBO3315a]

Perfect Blue and Ninja Scroll are 2 of my fave anime movies. But if you wanna go old skool, Vampire Hunter D is the shizzle.

[Chris Wallace]

He looked like his face was encased in plastic and made out of plastic simultaneously.

SOunds like when they used that effect on Patrick Stewart.

[Figs]

I don't even think Ninja Scroll is all that good. It's decent, but put up against Japanese anime films like Akira, Perfect Blue, Milleuinum Actress and other films in the medium, it's fairly subpar I think.

Guess there's an unpopular opinion :o

Actually I have a feeling that that isn't an unpopular opinion. There are a lot of die hard Anime fans out there(I don't consider myself a fan of the entire genre personally)that also love those films you listed. I'm sure they like Ninja Scroll too, but those you listed are pretty damn good, they just didn't grab my attention as much as Ninja Scroll did.

[Art_of_Crime]

In my unpopular opinion
Tom Welling is not a great actor.
and
Seth Rogen is not very funny.

[Blackman]

Do Smallville fans even think that hes a great actor?

[Art_of_Crime]

who knows. I can never get that far into a conversation about the show.

[El Payaso]

In my unpopular opinion
Tom Welling is not a great actor.
and
Seth Rogen is not very funny.

Both perfectly reasonable.

[Doctor Jones]

I don't even know why people want him as Superman. What a horrible idea.

And I still think Seth Rogan as The Green Hornet is a terrible idea. I just don't like the angle they've taken with it at all. Maybe it will work for the better, but who knows. Maybe they were afraid if they saw another hero with a fedora and mask and trenchcoat it would be another Spirit or something.

[gwynplaine]

Somehow, I don't think it's going to be "Knocked Up Rogen" we're going to get in GH. I might be wrong of course but I think that the movie could mark a transition for him. After all, look at where Gondry took Jim Carrey with Eternal Sunshine.
Anyway, it might not be the more conventional route people were expecting with a GH movie, but that's one of the reason why I'm interested in seeing it. That and I'm excited to see what Gondry does with a superhero film. And of course Waltz as the villain.

[Art_of_Crime]

Maybe. UUUgh The Spirit sucked so much. I can see why they wouldn't want another one, but there has to be a better way.
A green Hornet movie could have been so cool. The original show was dark, gritty and had Bruce F'in Lee in it. This could have been such a fun movie. It might be alright, but it looks like Pineapple Express in masks.

[Art_of_Crime]

Maybe. UUUgh The Spirit sucked so much. I can see why they wouldn't want another one, but there has to be a better way.
A green Hornet movie could have been so cool. The original show was dark, gritty and had Bruce F'in Lee in it. This could have been such a fun movie. It might be alright, but it looks like Pineapple Express in masks.

[gwynplaine]

I'm keeping an open mind. The early buzz (no pun intended) seems pretty good so far and people are saying that's it's not too comical, so we'll see.
Anyway, you can't beat Bruce Lee as Kato. I can't think of anyone who could have done the role justice after him. (Not even Jet Li or Stephen Chow whom I both like very much)

[C. Lee]

I don't mind someone making a new movie where the supposed major hero is a doofus and the sidekick is the actual hero...but to do that to established characters like they are doing with Green Hornet is just wrong.

[Blackman]

How does it look like Pineapple Express in masks other than Rogen was in both

I think GH looks fun and good

[C. Lee]

How does it look like Pineapple Express in masks other than Rogen was in both

I think GH looks fun and good

The Green Hornet I grew up with wasn't a comedy. I have the old movie serials and the 60's TV show. They had some humorous moments...but they weren't geared towards pratfalls or of Britt Reid being an idiot. I'm sure there are probably people out there who will love it...but it doesn't look right to me.

[Blackman]

ok...

[Blackman]

-Monsters wasnt that good.

[gwynplaine]

Why? Can u elaborate? I was kinda interested in checking it out.

[A Necessary Evil]

I don't mind someone making a new movie where the supposed major hero is a doofus and the sidekick is the actual hero...but to do that to established characters like they are doing with Green Hornet is just wrong.

Kick-Ass :awesome:

[Blackman]

what about Kick Ass?

[A Necessary Evil]

what about Kick Ass?

"major hero is a doofus and the sidekick is the actual hero."

It was about kick-ass' origin...so I'd say he was the major, and that hit-girl was the sidekick. Though it can be debated.

[Blackman]

Why? Can u elaborate? I was kinda interested in checking it out.

I was too

-It was pretty boring. At first I was thinking "oh it's fine movies usually pick up after first 30 mins" but no it just kinda crawled along. It doesnt get interesting until after the first 20 mins
-The main characters werent that good. Crappy romantic plot
-I understand that it had a very small budget (wiki says under 500,000) but I feel like the aliens werent even mentioned enough by the 2 leads. I didnt really feel the presence of danger or even the presence of aliens except when they were watching TV/listening to the radio


I thought this was going to be a small budget road movie featuring aliens, but in the end I felt like it was a bad relationship film with aliens as a plot point

Check it out a judge for yourself because I'm in the minority with my dislike of it

[gwynplaine]

Unpopular, the Millar edition:

_ I liked Kick-Ass the comic Book more than the movie.
_ I liked Wanted the comic book more than the movie.
_ Wolverine's next film should be Old Man Logan.

[gwynplaine]

I was too

-It was pretty boring. At first I was thinking oh it's fine movies usually pick up after first 30 mins but no it just kinda crawled along
-The main characters werent that good. Crappy romantic plot
-I understand that it had a very small budget (wiki says under 500,000) but I feel like the aliens werent even mentioned enough by the 2 leads. I didnt really feel the presence of danger or even the presence of aliens except when they were watching TV/listening to the radio


I thought this was going to be a small budget road movie featuring aliens, but in the end I felt like it was a bad relationship film with aliens as a plot point

Check it out a judge for yourself because I'm in the minority with my dislike of it
Thank you. From what you say I have a feeling I'm going to agree with you.

[Doctor Jones]

The Wanted movie was really disapointing. Too much damn style going on. I liked McAvoy thought. It had its cool moments like the "**** you" keyboard and the curving bullets and some action but it was underwhelming.

[spider-neil]

Unpopular, the Millar edition:

_ I liked Kick-Ass the comic Book more than the movie.
_ I liked Wanted the comic book more than the movie.
_ Wolverine's next film should be Old Man Logan.

the ending of wanted is disasterous. DISASTEROUS!!
also they removing the superviliian aspect of the comic was disappointed, expected, but disappointing none the less.

[A Necessary Evil]

Unpopular, the Millar edition:

_ I liked Kick-Ass the comic Book more than the movie.

My only disappointment in kick-ass was not seeing the word "Tunk" :o :cwink:

[Blackman]

Thank you. From what you say I have a feeling I'm going to agree with you.

I will say this: the ending is really cool. But sitting through the film isnt worth it.

[Blackman]

Oh God the Wanted comic was terrible.
I enjoyed the film alot. It is one of the most entertaining movies ever. I can watch it almost anytime. Good action, funny, all that stuff. They REally shoudlve kept the super villain angle in there though

[A Necessary Evil]

Elfman's Score was the best thing about wanted imo.

[SuperFerret]

I don't mind someone making a new movie where the supposed major hero is a doofus and the sidekick is the actual hero...but to do that to established characters like they are doing with Green Hornet is just wrong.

Umm... what?

[gwynplaine]

I more or less agree, the Wanted Comic Book wasn't that great but it had better villains (Mr Rictus, S$%#thead...) and it also had costumed heroes and villains which is where my preference goes.

[spider-neil]

- pixar is overrated (except a few absolute classics)

- dreamworks is underrated.

- I prefer kung-fu panda and how to train my dragon more than every pixar movie with the exception of;

toy story trilogy
incredibles
ratatouille

- up is overrated with the exception of the montage which is cinematic gold

- the reason I have wall-e on blu ray is because of the animated short 'presto' which is the best animated short I have ever seen. the first half of wall-e is great (on the planet) the second half (in space) is a cliche riddled mess.

- I can't stand disney animated movies except for the movies they made in the 90's. anything before or since just isn't for me.
this includes;
aladdin
beauty and the beast
the lion king

[Ipodman]

I didn't read the Wanted comic but I found the movie to be horrendous

[C. Lee]

I don't mind someone making a new movie where the supposed major hero is a doofus and the sidekick is the actual hero...but to do that to established characters like they are doing with Green Hornet is just wrong.

Umm... what?I'll try again....

I don't mind when a new set of characters are created for a movie....where the person you think is supposed to be the hero, but he turns out to be bumbling doofus....and the character that you would normally think would be the lesser in ability sidekick turns out to be the more able and effective member (like how they did in BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA)......but to do that scenerio with established characters like the Green Hornet and Kato....where Brit Reid was the noble, intelligent, effective mastermind behind their activities and now looks like a bumbling accident prone moron....is in my opinion the wrong thing to do.

[danoyse]

Unpopular, the Millar edition:

_ I liked Kick-Ass the comic Book more than the movie.
_ I liked Wanted the comic book more than the movie.
_ Wolverine's next film should be Old Man Logan.

I'd love to see Old Man Logan as a movie. Even if it's something do years from now, when Hugh has gotten a bit older. That would be amazing.

[gwynplaine]

I'd love to see Old Man Logan as a movie. Even if it's something do years from now, when Hugh has gotten a bit older. That would be amazing.
:up:

Kinda like "Unforgiven" with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.

[Art_of_Crime]

The wolf makeup from Teen Wolf looked better than most CGI werewolves.
The wolves from Dog Soldiers looked better than most of the lycans from Underworld.
:up:

Kinda like "Unforgiven" with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.

That would be awesome!

[Crockett]

I'll try again....

I don't mind when a new set of characters are created for a movie....where the person you think is supposed to be the hero, but he turns out to be bumbling doofus....and the character that you would normally think would be the lesser in ability sidekick turns out to be the more able and effective member (like how they did in BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA)......but to do that scenerio with established characters like the Green Hornet and Kato....where Brit Reid was the noble, intelligent, effective mastermind behind their activities and now looks like a bumbling accident prone moron....is in my opinion the wrong thing to do.


I do know what they have change for the movie in terms of the characters, I hope that the movie shows the path of Britt evolving to a less jokey and more focused and intelligent like he was in the 60's show. The movie's portrayal of Britt it's not really how he should be but I try to keep and open mind on the interpretation even if they get a few character's traits wrong.

[danoyse]

:up:

Kinda like "Unforgiven" with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.

Exactly! I love that idea.

[Parker Wayne]

I hated the Watchmen comic. I don't like Millar's writing style but I liked the Kick-ass comic (despite that Katie part with cellphone at the end.) but I liked the film more just because it felt less mean-spirited and a tighter, more well done story than the comic. Both still have their flaws though.

[A Necessary Evil]

yeah I liked the Kick-ass comic but the whole fellatio thing was....

:dry:

[Art_of_Crime]

I thought that Whip it was much better than Juno.

[El Payaso]

Somehow, I don't think it's going to be "Knocked Up Rogen" we're going to get in GH. I might be wrong of course but I think that the movie could mark a transition for him. After all, look at where Gondry took Jim Carrey with Eternal Sunshine.
Anyway, it might not be the more conventional route people were expecting with a GH movie, but that's one of the reason why I'm interested in seeing it. That and I'm excited to see what Gondry does with a superhero film. And of course Waltz as the villain.

If you have seen the trailers then you can get this is far from what Jim carrey did in ESOTSM, which was wonderful. In GH Rogen looks and sounds like the usual Rogen, which is not wonderful. And in the trailers you can also see that the comedy tone is not different from most cheap American comedies out there. What Gondry seems to be doing is what they have done before with Starsky & Hutch, re-shaping it into a comedy for the sake of the ticket selling.

[cin0]

I don't think that's an unpopular opinion.



From the way it was hyped up before and after it hit the screen I thought it would be.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

The Undiscovered Country was the last decent startrek film.

[Doctor Jones]

I hated the Watchmen comic. I don't like Millar's writing style but I liked the Kick-ass comic (despite that Katie part with cellphone at the end.) but I liked the film more just because it felt less mean-spirited and a tighter, more well done story than the comic. Both still have their flaws though.

Hate is such a strong word. :wow:

[Parker Wayne]

From the way it was hyped up before and after it hit the screen I thought it would be.

Everyone knows that it was just a Ferngully/Pocahontas/Dances with Wolves remake. I don't really have a problem with that.

[Sam Fisher]

Scott Pilgram wasn't that great.

[gwynplaine]

If you have seen the trailers then you can get this is far from what Jim carrey did in ESOTSM, which was wonderful. In GH Rogen looks and sounds like the usual Rogen, which is not wonderful. And in the trailers you can also see that the comedy tone is not different from most cheap American comedies out there. What Gondry seems to be doing is what they have done before with Starsky & Hutch, re-shaping it into a comedy for the sake of the ticket selling.
I remember a few years ago when they announced a Green Lantern project that would have allegedly starred Jack Black. Now that would have been truly bad to see that rotund buffoon clowning around in green tights.
Like I said I might be wrong but it looks like they went with a more serious tone for GH than just pure broad comedy.
Of course, it still stars (a slimmed down) Rogen and he wouldn't necessarily have been my first choice for Reid. But it also looks like the character starts out as a typical "Rogen a%%hole" type and through his dad's death kinda mans up and learns to become a hero with the help of his more capable sidekick Kato.
On the other hand, I get C. Lee's point of view, they could have applied that concept to a new hero and not necessarily to the GH, alenating its fan base who was probably expecting a more straightforward Batman-like take on the character (and a different lead than Rogen. John Hamm comes to mind.)
Also, I don't know maybe that trailer focuses more on the comedic elements to appeal to Rogen's audience (that wouldn't surprise me actually.)
Anyway, I'm interested in seeing it, mostly for Waltz and Gondry helming a blockbuster and a superhero movie for the first time.

[Dark Victory]

I hated the Watchmen comic. I don't like Millar's writing style but I liked the Kick-ass comic (despite that Katie part with cellphone at the end.) but I liked the film more just because it felt less mean-spirited and a tighter, more well done story than the comic. Both still have their flaws though.


Interesting. What didn't you like about it?

[SuperFerret]

I'll try again....

I don't mind when a new set of characters are created for a movie....where the person you think is supposed to be the hero, but he turns out to be bumbling doofus....and the character that you would normally think would be the lesser in ability sidekick turns out to be the more able and effective member (like how they did in BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA)......but to do that scenerio with established characters like the Green Hornet and Kato....where Brit Reid was the noble, intelligent, effective mastermind behind their activities and now looks like a bumbling accident prone moron....is in my opinion the wrong thing to do.

As "noble", "intelligent" and "effective" the Green Hornet may have been, it's fairly common knowledge that Kato was the capable one of the two.

[Tron Bonne]

Interesting. What didn't you like about it?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say he went Wanted, since we were talking about Millar, and he mentioned Millar's writing afterward. Unless he did just randomly wanted to say he hated Watchmen.


Anyway, I'm interested in seeing it, mostly for Waltz and Gondry helming a blockbuster and a superhero movie for the first time.

Same. I have been turned off by the comedic tone of the trailer, but I'll hope for the best. I hope the movie itself won't be like that all and all through. GH actually has a pretty interesting gimmick, and I think he deserves to have a decent film.

As "noble", "intelligent" and "effective" the Green Hornet may have been, it's fairly common knowledge that Kato was the capable one of the two.

I only know the base knowledge of GH, but I'm pretty sure that's not true at all.

[SuperFerret]

I'd say that the movie seems to be the portrayal of the two that I've only ever heard.

Well, the version I've only ever heard before the movie came out and fans of the Green Hornet start popping up out of the woodwork like it mattered more than being a launching pad for Bruce Lee's fame in the U.S.

[Tron Bonne]

Well, I'm pretty sure that GH was pretty capable in the strips and comics. Kato was kind of the muscle, of sorts, but the Hornet could take care of himself far as I'm aware.

[gwynplaine]

Well, I'm pretty sure that GH was pretty capable in the strips and comics. Kato was kind of the muscle, of sorts, but the Hornet could take care of himself far as I'm aware.
Yes. I think it was probably just that Bruce Lee being Bruce Lee was more charismatic and physically capable than the dude who played Reid.

[gwynplaine]

Sorry, Tron Bonne, I didn't see that you were talking about the strips and comics. I thought you were talking about the TV show. Didn't the GH originate as a radio show or something? (I know that he is a cousin of the Lone Ranger.)

[Tron Bonne]

Sorry, Tron Bonne, I didn't see that you were talking about the strips and comics. I thought you were talking about the TV show. Didn't the GH originate as a radio show or something? (I know that he is a cousin of the Lone Ranger.)

Yeah, I believe he did start in radio dramas and television serial, but I think he was a pretty big pulp character in the comic strip scene at the time and put in the same kind of category as characters like Doc Savage and The Spirit.

[gwynplaine]

Yeah, I believe he did start in radio dramas and television serial, but I think he was a pretty big pulp character in the comic strip scene at the time and put in the same kind of category as characters like Doc Savage and The Spirit.
Thanks for the info:up:
I wouldn't mind a Mandrake the Magician movie and a new Phantom and The Shadow one as well. I like old school heros.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Iron man was on tv about 25 minutes ago.
It seems to me if it wasn't specifically due to the quality of Robert Downey Jr. and Jeff Bridges performance, this movie would be totally run of the mill.

[Doctor Jones]

Run of the mill how exactly? Just wondering.

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

Run of the mill how exactly? Just wondering.

Meaning the movie surrounding them is nothing particularly exceptional.
They sell it exceptionally well. Whenever Terrence Howard or Gwyneth Paltrow were on screen alone (of which there is little to none) the movie took a massive dive in quality.

[JAK®]

Iron man was on tv about 25 minutes ago.
It seems to me if it wasn't specifically due to the quality of Robert Downey Jr. and Jeff Bridges performance, this movie would be totally run of the mill.
I agree, it was the focus on the characters that made the film great, the actual plot is very generic. Giving the actors more control over their characters (particularly in Robert Downey Jr's case) saved the film.

[Dark Victory]

Hell, I've always thought that the first Iron Man wasn't anything too special to begin with.

[Art_of_Crime]

Hell, I've always thought that the first Iron Man wasn't anything too special to begin with.

When you look at what Marvel had done just before that you begin to understand why this film was so well received.
FF4 2
Spider-man 3
Ghost Rider
Elektra

all painful in their own special way.
then along comes a movie that puts in some effort with a likable cast. The bar was so low that anything would look good. Ironman was not the greatest comic film of all time. It was just an entertaining film floating in a sea of ****

On a side note

Gangs of New York was way to long to keep my attention
and
Ghost World depressed me.

[Ponyboy]

Hell, I've always thought that the first Iron Man wasn't anything too special to begin with.

Agreed. Never really liked Iron Man when I was reading comics growing up. Downey Jr made Iron Man interesting to me.

[Ponyboy]

;17554435']The Departed is so freaking overrated it.. hurts.. my.. eyes


I would disagree with you there. I liked the Departed... but it wasn't a classic.

I would replace "The Departed" with "Donnie Darko"

[Art_of_Crime]

I would disagree with you there. I liked the Departed... but it wasn't a classic.

I would replace "The Departed" with "Donnie Darko"

I wasn't into either. Donnie Darko was average at best.
The Departed was no where near as good as the Japanese movie it was copied from.
Asian cinema is so underrated. Its not all goofy kung poo. There are a lot of amazing psychological thrillers and terrifying horror movies.

[Ponyboy]

Ever see "Old Boy"?

[Art_of_Crime]

Ever see "Old Boy"?

not yet, but my friend that majored in asian cinema has recomended it to me, but she says I won't sleep for a week.

[Ponyboy]

It's a GREAT film. I was surprised... I didn't expect to like it.


My most recent "unpopular" film opinion was after seeing ZombieLand. I wouldn't say I hated it... but I didn't actually like it at all. For me, if you removed the whole Bill Murray/Ghostbusters thing, the movie would've been a total dud. It was completely uninteresting. I expected to like the film a lot after all the good things I heard.

[Art_of_Crime]

I'll check it out. The Revenge Trilogy is on my netflix Q I'll get to it sooner or later.
I was just glad it didn't have Michael Cera in it.
I'm kind of Zombied out these days anyway. I liked the movie and thought it was fun,and I liked that my wife watched it with me, but its time to move on and let the Zombie genre cool off for a while.

[Parker Wayne]

not yet, but my friend that majored in asian cinema has recomended it to me, but she says I won't sleep for a week.

Probably.

[gwynplaine]

I wasn't into either. Donnie Darko was average at best.
The Departed was no where near as good as the Japanese movie it was copied from.
Asian cinema is so underrated. Its not all goofy kung poo. There are a lot of amazing psychological thrillers and terrifying horror movies.
_ Chinese not Japanese.
_ I agree.

I also recommend a great Korean Film called "Memories of Murder."

[Doctor Jones]

I have that film on my queue.

And you will also need a shower after watching Old Boy.

[Art_of_Crime]

_ Chinese not Japanese.
_ I agree.

I also recommend a great Korean Film called "Memories of Murder."

ah my mistake.

[A Necessary Evil]

When you look at what Marvel had done just before that you begin to understand why this film was so well received.
FF4 2
Spider-man 3
Ghost Rider
Elektra


You don't have to like SM3, but to compare it to those^....

[JAK®]

Hell, I've always thought that the first Iron Man wasn't anything too special to begin with.
Well the first two times I saw it I enjoyed it but I didn't think much of it. The third time I saw it I thought "this is actually a really good film"

Dare I say it, despite it's popularity the film is underrated. In fact it's popularity is going to come down due to backlash from Iron Man 2 (which also isn't as bad as people say it is)

[Why Are You Crouching Spock?]

The first movie had great pacing I thought.
Didn't really get bored watching it, unlike Iron Man 2.

[Frankenmation]

In regards to Iron Man 2, while I don't think it's as good as the first one, and it has its fair share of flaws, I still really enjoy it. It's a bit bloated and has a bit too many characters, but I think that's why I like it; it's a lot of fun to watch.

[Ipodman]

You could sense some sort of effort to make it as epic and fun as possible so I give it a pass!

[Doctor Jones]

I did really enjoy Iron Man 2. I prefer the first of course, but I liked all the characters and the cast. RDJ as Stark is just a joy to watch. Plus it's one of the few comic book films to feel like a comic book. Like the first film.

And I liked the inclusion of the Avengers and Fury stuff. People act like they were a huge part. Fury was in like what? Three scenes? It was all about Tony becoming a team player and it not just being about him. It makes sense for that film with the threat of him revealing his identity and of his best friends wanting to help him. But it's also a good lead into the Avengers with the team. They are two separate things that work as one.

[El Payaso]

I remember a few years ago when they announced a Green Lantern project that would have allegedly starred Jack Black. Now that would have been truly bad to see that rotund buffoon clowning around in green tights.
Like I said I might be wrong but it looks like they went with a more serious tone for GH than just pure broad comedy.
Of course, it still stars (a slimmed down) Rogen and he wouldn't necessarily have been my first choice for Reid. But it also looks like the character starts out as a typical "Rogen a%%hole" type and through his dad's death kinda mans up and learns to become a hero with the help of his more capable sidekick Kato.
On the other hand, I get C. Lee's point of view, they could have applied that concept to a new hero and not necessarily to the GH, alenating its fan base who was probably expecting a more straightforward Batman-like take on the character (and a different lead than Rogen. John Hamm comes to mind.)
Also, I don't know maybe that trailer focuses more on the comedic elements to appeal to Rogen's audience (that wouldn't surprise me actually.)
Anyway, I'm interested in seeing it, mostly for Waltz and Gondry helming a blockbuster and a superhero movie for the first time.

This is not much different than having Jack Black as Green Lantern, except that a) Green Hornet is a far less known character (so you can change him more and most people won't even know) and b) no one and nothing on this Earth can be as unfunnily annoying as Jack Black.

Now unless the trailers have made an effort trying to show the only few seconds of cheap comedy in the movie (ok, it could be) I don't see any trace of serious tone. I mean, yeah, Brit's father death was serious but that's it (and it's not that easy to make that as a comedy, unless you're watching Seinfeld of course).

I agree although that Gondry and Waltz's names puts some interest there. I'll be watching the movie.


As "noble", "intelligent" and "effective" the Green Hornet may have been, it's fairly common knowledge that Kato was the capable one of the two.

I have seen most of the Green Hornet TV series episodes and I yet have to see the episode where Kato is the star and the capable one.

I get that Bruce Lee is a legend but Kato was far from being the star. Sure he kicked ass like on other, but Green Hornet himself did quite a lot fist-fighting criminals and solving cases.

[Parker Wayne]

I did really enjoy Iron Man 2. I prefer the first of course, but I liked all the characters and the cast. RDJ as Stark is just a joy to watch. Plus it's one of the few comic book films to feel like a comic book. Like the first film.

And I liked the inclusion of the Avengers and Fury stuff. People act like they were a huge part. Fury was in like what? Three scenes? It was all about Tony becoming a team player and it not just being about him. It makes sense for that film with the threat of him revealing his identity and of his best friends wanting to help him. But it's also a good lead into the Avengers with the team. They are two separate things that work as one.

Same here. Iron Man 2 wasn't perfect, but people overexaggerate the Avengers stuff. Commercial for the Avenger is still a dumb and ridiculous notion. Three-four minutes of Avenger stuff (mostly at the end) does not count as a "Two hour Avengers commercial".

People call Iron Man 2 a disappointment because it didn't gross as much as the first Iron Man. LOOK AT THE ACTUAL BOX OFFICE GROSSING! Iron Man 2 was the #3 film domestically and the #7 film worldwide. I'd call that a success.

[Ponyboy]

Iron Man 2 was a good movie, not great... but good. A worthy sequel. I do hope they up the game for part 3.

[Parker Wayne]

^ This.

[danoyse]

In regards to Iron Man 2, while I don't think it's as good as the first one, and it has its fair share of flaws, I still really enjoy it. It's a bit bloated and has a bit too many characters, but I think that's why I like it; it's a lot of fun to watch.

Iron Man 2 was one of my favorite movies last summer. I just thought it was a lot of fun.

[Parker Wayne]

Iron Man 2 was one of my favorite movies last summer. I just thought it was a lot of fun.

This.

[SuperFerret]

The Iron Man series remains my favorite superhero series. This is probably because it was "run of the mill" and didn't try to do anything more than make kickass, fun superhero movies.

[Doctor Jones]

Same here. Iron Man 2 wasn't perfect, but people overexaggerate the Avengers stuff. Commercial for the Avenger is still a dumb and ridiculous notion. Three-four minutes of Avenger stuff (mostly at the end) does not count as a "Two hour Avengers commercial".

People call Iron Man 2 a disappointment because it didn't gross as much as the first Iron Man. LOOK AT THE ACTUAL BOX OFFICE GROSSING! Iron Man 2 was the #3 film domestically and the #7 film worldwide. I'd call that a success.

I know. The opening weekend was bigger than IM's. People were predicting it to break records. Even TDK's. Are you ****ing kidding me. :dry:

People say it was a disapointment because it didn't meet their predictions.

[Tron Bonne]

Well, it was a disappointment from a studio perspective. It grossed a little less than IM (or around the same), so from a pure financial POW, sure it was successful, but it's expected that a sequel to a big blockbuster exceeds the previous entry, not simply match it. That's why budgets rise and development gets more freedom. Just evening out is good and all, but it's expected to make more. I have a feeling that probably added to the reasons that drove Favreau away from the third film.

And, honestly, I thought it was a pretty damn disappointing film, especially in comparison to the first film. It wasn't bad, and people have ripped it more than they should've ultimately, but it had some hefty flaws.

I know. The opening weekend (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=330144&page=238#) was bigger than IM's. People were predicting it to break records. Even TDK's. Are you ****ing kidding me. :dry:Well, they were pretty silly whoever predicted that. There's no way it was going to pull those numbers. It's kind of surprise that TDK itself got those kinds of numbers.

[Doctor Jones]

I always thought it was going to make a little more but all around have the same audience with just some more people who discovered it on DVD. Not much more.

The film is flawed yeah, but I do enjoy alot of films with flaws. B89 comes to mind.

[Tron Bonne]

It's fine to like it, but I think it's fair to say it was disappointing in a certain context. If the wiki page is right, it did make a little more, but in proportion to the higher budget, plus the fact that it was released in IMAX (which I believe the first film wasn't), it basically only matched the first film.

[cin0]

Everyone knows that it was just a Ferngully/Pocahontas/Dances with Wolves remake. I don't really have a problem with that.

Ok, then.

[Parker Wayne]

^ Just saying. Not trying to be dick.

- The Wrestler was the best film of 2008

[gwynplaine]

Well, it was a disappointment from a studio perspective. It grossed a little less than IM (or around the same), so from a pure financial POW, sure it was successful, but it's expected that a sequel to a big blockbuster exceeds the previous entry, not simply match it. That's why budgets rise and development gets more freedom. Just evening out is good and all, but it's expected to make more. I have a feeling that probably added to the reasons that drove Favreau away from the third film.

And, honestly, I thought it was a pretty damn disappointing film, especially in comparison to the first film. It wasn't bad, and people have ripped it more than they should've ultimately, but it had some hefty flaws.

Well, they were pretty silly whoever predicted that. There's no way it was going to pull those numbers. It's kind of surprise that TDK itself got those kinds of numbers.
This.
I don't care about the film's BO or that it might have been a disappointment from a studio perspective, I'm not making any money off of it. I was just very disappointed by the film itself.

My Top 10 list for 2010: (*crosses finger for it to be unpopular or at least semi-unpopular*:woot:)

1. Toy Story 3
2. The King's Speech
3. Animal Kingdom
4. The Town
5. The Fighter
6. Cyrus
7. The Social Network
8. True Grit
9. Exit Through the Gift Shop
10. Catfish

[gwynplaine]

^ Just saying. Not trying to be dick.

- The Wrestler was the best film of 2008
Great movie. Great year for cinema. Rourke was robbed of the Oscar.
The Wrestler>>> Black Swan.

[Parker Wayne]

This.
I don't care about the film's BO or that it might have been a disappointment from a studio perspective, I'm not making any money off of it. I was just very disappointed by the film itself.

My Top 10 list for 2010: (*crosses finger for it to be unpopular or at least semi-unpopular*:woot:)

1. Toy Story 3
2. The King's Speech
3. Animal Kingdom
4. The Town
5. The Fighter
6. Cyrus
7. The Social Network
8. True Grit
9. Exit Through the Gift Shop
10. Catfish

Not even close to unpopular haha.

[gwynplaine]

Haha.

:csad:

Darn, I was hoping that the omission of Inception, Black Swan and 127 hrs would do the trick:woot::cwink:

[Chris Wallace]

Iron Man 2 was one of my favorite movies last summer. I just thought it was a lot of fun.

It was fun but the story/performances came up short. It tried too hard.

[Spider-Fan]

I also enjoyed IM2, but it is a flawed film and easily Marvel Studios worst film. Me personally, TIH is VERY underrated. I enjoy it almost as much as Iron Man.

[Parker Wayne]

Haha.

:csad:

Darn, I was hoping that the omission of Inception, Black Swan and 127 hrs would do the trick:woot::cwink:

I don't think I can forgive you for not including Black Swan.

:oldrazz:

But really there are quite a number of people that don't have none of them in their lists. Don't know how many haven't seen either those three films (I never saw 127 hours) though.

[Parker Wayne]

I also enjoyed IM2, but it is a flawed film and easily Marvel Studios worst film. Me personally, TIH is VERY underrated. I enjoy it almost as much as Iron Man.

I won't admit I liked it as much as Iron Man, but I did also really like TIH. This is not an insult to Ang Lee Hulk fans, but I felt TIH brought justice to the Hulk movie series.

[A Necessary Evil]

Hmm..I love TIH, but imo, Hulk 03' was better.

[gwynplaine]

Edit.

[gwynplaine]

I don't think I can forgive you for not including Black Swan.

:oldrazz:

But really there are quite a number of people that don't have none of them in their lists. Don't know how many haven't seen either those three films (I never saw 127 hours) though.
Haha. I might have not loved the movie, but at least I thought Portman was really good in it.
If you haven't seen them already, you should check out The King Speech and Animal Kingdom. Great Films. (Funny, I just realized that they both have Guy Pearce in them. Good year for him.)

[Parker Wayne]

Haha. I might have not loved the movie, but at least I thought Portman was really good in it.
If you haven't seen them already, you should check out The King Speech and Animal Kingdom. Great Films. (Funny, I just realized that they both have Guy Pearce in them. Good year for him.)

Haha I already saw Animal Kingdom. Though it was pretty good even though moved pretty slow at parts. When I first saw Pearce in Animal Kingdom I lol'd at the mustache. The ending for Animal Kingdom was awesome.

[Parker Wayne]

Btw gwynplaine you should include your top 5 favorites in the SHH! Movie of the Year nomination thread. The link is in my sig.

[gwynplaine]

Ok.

[Blackman]

I though IM2 wasnt terrible, but was a huge step backwards. Cheadle and Johannson didnt mesh with original cast as well. Rourke was underused. Rockwell gave a great performance but was written poorly. SHIELD stuff was unnecessary. Fury was random, along with SHIELD stuff in general.

I loved the first one, but I think the problem with the IM franchise is that the villains arent that good.

-Penn deserved the win much more than Rourke
-X2>>>>>>>Spiderman 2. In fact the X-Men franchise>>>>>Spiderman
-Honestly, if it was just 5 choices, I wouldnt give Black Swan a Oscar nom. Portman would definitely win though

[Parker Wayne]

I though IM2 wasnt terrible, but was a huge step backwards. Cheadle and Johannson didnt mesh with original cast as well. Rourke was underused. Rockwell gave a great performance but was written poorly. SHIELD stuff was unnecessary. Fury was random, along with SHIELD stuff in general.


Once again, SHIELD was relevant to the plot and Fury isn't random because he was tied to Tony's father. The SHIELD scenes, for the most part, was tied to the plot of this film.

[Majik1387]

It's a never ending battle Parker Wayne. Comic movie fans will never be happy even when they get what they've asked for countless times before.:csad:

[Parker Wayne]

Pretty much.

They wanted War Machine and Fury. And no "I never wanted them" because that's BS.

[Blackman]

I wanted War Machine done well, I wanted Fury done well and imo they werent. Dont say be happy with what you got, because that's bullsh**

The SHIELD stuff wouldve been better if: 1) It was better integrated with the plot like in IM. They couldve had Stark finding his father's stuff another way 2)It didnt take away from villains, action, etc. 3) Contradicts with 2, but if it was longer. It felt longer than a cameo, but too short for a plot point.

But the SHIELD stuff isnt even my main problem with the movie. If the SHIELD thing was the only problem it would still be a great film

[C. Lee]

My opinion on Iron Man 2.......I thought WarMachine was done well. And I personally like Cheadle as an actor more than Howard. I thought that Fury was done well also (I like Jackson, but I always wanted the old white Fury I grew up with)....I didn't think there was too much mention of the Avengers in it either.

[Parker Wayne]

There's a different between them being done well and unnecessary. You said they were unnecessary. I say they were relevant to the plot. I like both characters, but I too believe they could've been written better but cutting them out of the movie wouldn't have been the solution.

[Blackman]

I like CHeadle more than Howard, but I though Howard interacted better with the rest of the cast and gave a better performance in the first one

There's a different between them being done well and unnecessary. You said they were unnecessary. I say they were relevant to the plot. I like both characters, but I too believe they could've been written better but cutting them out of the movie wouldn't have been the solution.

Did I say they should cut out War Machine? Nope
Fury didnt need to be in the film at all. Even if they kept the SHIELD things, Fury didnt need to be there. I also feel since he was introduced in a post credits scene that they couldve explained him better.

It probably wasnt just the SHIELD stuff, but it felt like the whole fun, fast paced film slowed too much right around that point

I'm confused how I rate the film.

I thought it was kind of a mess, it didn't really know it's tone. No one, except RDJ, really got the screentime they deserved. All the characters had the beginnings of a cool arc that didn't really follow through, save for Happy and Natasha. Happy was stuck between being an actual character and I wouldve liked him to actually have a role because I like seeing Faverau act. And ScarJo/Natasha was...bad. I thought her acting was stiff and that her character was actually the most unnecessary and the whole she's a spy thing was meh. Rockwell was good as Hammer, but Hammer who was really just a jealous wuss, wasn't that good of a villain, which was sad because Rockwell did deliver a really good performance

In short: The action, characters, plot all had strong beginnings but felt underused/unfinished.

[Parker Wayne]

I wanted War Machine done well, I wanted Fury done well and imo they werent. Dont say be happy with what you got, because that's bullsh**

The SHIELD stuff wouldve been better if: 1) It was better integrated with the plot like in IM. They couldve had Stark finding his father's stuff another way 2)It didnt take away from villains, action, etc. 3) Contradicts with 2, but if it was longer. It felt longer than a cameo, but too short for a plot point.

But the SHIELD stuff isnt even my main problem with the movie. If the SHIELD thing was the only problem it would still be a great film

His father's stuff wasn't the problem with me. With the Deus Ex Machima (or the short term cure) I had a problem with. Plus I feel like the party scene was more a missed opportunity than a waste of time. I feel like they should've had Vanko fight Tony instead of Rhodey. Then Rhodey would've had a much better reasont to take one of Tony's suits.

[C. Lee]

I like CHeadle more than Howard, but I though Howard interacted better with the rest of the cast and gave a better performance in the first one

I thought that was one of the points of the second movie. In the first one, Rhodes was best buds with Tony and thus on good terms with the people around him. In the second one...things have changed. Tony's announcement that he's Iron Man has caused a rift between him and Rhodes due to Rhodes having to decide whether he is going to follow his orders or his friend.

[Blackman]

His father's stuff wasn't the problem with me. With the Deus Ex Machima (or the short term cure) I had a problem with. Plus I feel like the party scene was more a missed opportunity than a waste of time. I feel like they should've had Vanko fight Tony instead of Rhodey. Then Rhodey would've had a much better reasont to take one of Tony's suits.
I agree about the party scene. The fight with Rhodey was fine except they shouldnt have played it up for laughs. I probably wouldve had RDJ drunkenly try and fight RHodey without his suit and getting dropped.

I wish I could find my post that had all the points I didnt like in more detail.


IM2 wasnt bad, just not that good.

I thought that was one of the points of the second movie. In the first one, Rhodes was best buds with Tony and thus on good terms with the people around him. In the second one...things have changed. Tony's announcement that he's Iron Man has caused a rift between him and Rhodes due to Rhodes having to decide whether he is going to follow his orders or his friend.
I dont mean interact in terms of cracking jokes it was more than that. It felt that Howard and RDJ knew each other their whole lives and it even showed when they were arguing in the first movie

[SuperFerret]

Yeah. That one scene where Tony gets so depressed that he gets drunk, endangers innocents and fights his best friend to the point where they almost kill each other and destroy most of his home was HILARIOUS.

[Parker Wayne]

I like CHeadle more than Howard, but I though Howard interacted better with the rest of the cast and gave a better performance in the first one[

That's because he actually did interact more with the cast. I don't think Cheadle really talked to anyone other than Tony or Hammer.


Did I say they should cut out War Machine? Nope
Fury didnt need to be in the film at all. Even if they kept the SHIELD things, Fury didnt need to be there. I also feel since he was introduced in a post credits scene that they couldve explained him better.

It probably wasnt just the SHIELD stuff, but it felt like the whole fun, fast paced film slowed too much right around that point

I felt you implying that about War Machine. Many people have been saying War Machine should've never been in the movie and that they never wanted them, yet in older Iron Man threads you can see the same people hoping that War Machine was in Iron Man 2.

I agree that probably could've at least mentioned his name in the movie, but I feel like you could tell he was the head when Natasha was reporting to him, and that Coulson was the one looking over him.

[Parker Wayne]

I thought that was one of the points of the second movie. In the first one, Rhodes was best buds with Tony and thus on good terms with the people around him. In the second one...things have changed. Tony's announcement that he's Iron Man has caused a rift between him and Rhodes due to Rhodes having to decide whether he is going to follow his orders or his friend.

Yep, and I did feel that tension throughout the film. I like how they interacted in the Drones scenes too.

Yeah. That one scene where Tony gets so depressed that he gets drunk, endangers innocents and fights his best friend to the point where they almost kill each other and destroy most of his home was HILARIOUS.

With all of that said, it was hilarious.

[Blackman]

I didnt even mention War Machine other than the fact that I wanted War Machine done well

[Parker Wayne]

I think Iron Man 2 was a good, fun film that could've been better but is a good continuation of the first film.

[Parker Wayne]

I didnt even mention War Machine other than the fact that I wanted War Machine done well

Hey, that's fine with me. I was talking more in general.

[Blackman]

Question: did anyone else wish they explored Stark's alcoholism more besides me?

[SuperFerret]

With all of that said, it was hilarious.

No more hilarious as any other action scene.

[Spider-Fan]

I won't admit I liked it as much as Iron Man, but I did also really like TIH. This is not an insult to Ang Lee Hulk fans, but I felt TIH brought justice to the Hulk movie series.

IM1 I like SLIGHTLY more, but I feel TIH had overall better plot and story structure. But, IM1 gets the egde for me due to better overall effects and having a much better cast.

My opinion on Iron Man 2.......I thought WarMachine was done well. And I personally like Cheadle as an actor more than Howard. I thought that Fury was done well also (I like Jackson, but I always wanted the old white Fury I grew up with)....I didn't think there was too much mention of the Avengers in it either.

I also liked Cheadle MUCH more than Howard. I hated Howard. I thought Fury was done well, but Black Widow was done poorly. She was there to be hot. No other purpose.

I think Iron Man 2 was a good, fun film that could've been better but is a good continuation of the first film.

I agree, but when sequels lately have been better than the first installments by and large, IM2 gets kicked a bit more for not keeping the trend going. It suffered from traditional sequel woes: goes bigger but loses something that makes it less good. Doesn't make it bad, though.

[spider-neil]

loved IM2. LOVED IT!!

[Parker Wayne]

Question: did anyone else wish they explored Stark's alcoholism more besides me?

Many people do, but it seems like Fav's himself was the only one that didn't want to go farther.

[Parker Wayne]

My unpopular opinion:

People who hate Star Wars and George Lucas just because the original unaltered versions haven't been released should stop being so uptight (and that's me putting it nicely).

[roach]

My unpopular opinion:

People who hate Star Wars and George Lucas just because the original unaltered versions haven't been released should stop being so uptight (and that's me putting it nicely).

agreed.

[Blackman]

I think Star Wars fanatics should stop being so uptight in general

[Parker Wayne]

:highfive:

I honestly really hate when people complain about that.

And some Star Wars fans are insane. I think they're the only fans who think they're better than the person who created the franchise..

[roach]

:highfive:

I honestly really hate when people complain about that.

And some Star Wars fans are insane. I think they're the only fans who think they're better than the person who created the franchise..

thats why I dont get the hate...isnt he allowed to fix things he feels need to be fixed in the originals...I became a born again Star Wars fan after going to Celebration 5.

[Parker Wayne]

I see no problem with George Lucas fixing his own work. Like for example, replacing the original actor with Hayden Christensen in Return of The Jedi. People whined about it. Why? I know it's Hayden Christensen, but why are people defending an actor who only appeared for all of 10 seconds in the whole trilogy?

[roach]

I see no problem with George Lucas fixing his own work. Like for example, replacing the original actor with Hayden Christensen in Return of The Jedi. People whined about it. Why? I know it's Hayden Christensen, but why are people defending an actor who only appeared for all of 10 seconds in the whole trilogy?

:woot: good point

[Blackman]

Well I didnt like the Christensen bit because I hate him, but eh

[Parker Wayne]

Haha everyone does, but its so much better to have him than original actor for sake of continuity. Newer generations who watch all the movies are going to be wondering, "Who is that guy?" if they kept the original actor.

[A Necessary Evil]

agreed.

I love star wars...but hate being a fan. Seriously. Ever since TPM, it's lucas screwed up this, he messed up that.

It has been going on for 12 GODDAMN YEARS.

[C. Lee]

My unpopular opinion:

People who hate Star Wars and George Lucas just because the original unaltered versions haven't been released should stop being so uptight (and that's me putting it nicely).

The original unaltered trilogy has been released to DVD several years ago. It was a for a limited time, but you can still find some at stores.

[roach]

Hugo Weaving has no range and plays characters the same way...his Elrond was the same as Agent Smith...same as V

[A Necessary Evil]

The original unaltered trilogy has been released to DVD several years ago. It was a for a limited time, but you can still find some at stores.

I see tons of them at moviestop for like; 8$. I think the new complaints are "they weren't remastered".
:whatever:

[roach]

I see tons of them at moviestop for like; 8$. I think the new complaints are "they weren't remastered".
:whatever:

gee george Lucas liked his completed version rather than his uncompleted version:whatever:

[A Necessary Evil]

gee george Lucas liked his completed version rather than his uncompleted version:whatever:

:funny: that's....that's fandumb for you.

[roach]

yeah i agree

[C. Lee]

I've been saying for years...I don't agree with all of the reworking that Lucas did...BUT....it's his damn creation, he can do what he wants to it.

[A Necessary Evil]

:up: :applaud:

Like I said, nobody has to like it...but it's all his.

[roach]

I got into a discussion with one of my fellow class mates about this...just because we think its a masterpiece doesnt mean he does....and he as a creator should be allowed to do what ever he wants with it

[Tron Bonne]

Well, I guess I'll agree with that, but I don't think the fact that it's his creation really puts him above criticism.

Hugo Weaving has no range and plays characters the same way...his Elrond was the same as Agent Smith...same as V

V and Agent Smith? No...

[C. Lee]

Well, I guess I'll agree with that, but I don't think the fact that it's his creation really puts him above criticism.

I've never said he was above criticism....but most fanboys don't express criticism, they express blind rabid hatred.

[roach]

I've never said he was above criticism....but most fanboys don't express criticism, they express blind rabid hatred.

this

[Tron Bonne]

Eh, I guess. Star Wars fanboys don't seem much more rabid than the hardcore fanboys of anything else to me. There's valid criticism, invalid criticism, nonsense, brilliance in unexpected places, and etc. That's just how a fandom is, at least from my observation.

[A Necessary Evil]

I got into a discussion with one of my fellow class mates about this...just because we think its a masterpiece doesnt mean he does....and he as a creator should be allowed to do what ever he wants with it

:up:


I've never said he was above criticism....but most fanboys don't express criticism, they express blind rabid hatred.

Google "george lucas raped my childhood". I dare you.


Here's mine :

Spider-Man 3 is better than SM1, but not as good as SM2.
The SW Prequels are just as fun as the originals.
I'd take JPIII over The Lost world anyday.
Ang lee did a better job with the hulk than louis leterrier did.

[Doctor Jones]

Man, JP3's plot really bugs me. It's just so goddamn weak. And it's like 90 minutes long. I'm not saying I base quality on length but it went by too fast. There was a much better plot for it.

TLW gets the edge because of Malcolm being the main character. I never get tired of him. I can quote his lines all day.

And I agree that Lee's Hulk is better in quality to the 2008 film. At least in terms of depth. While the latter is more like the Hulk, I really admire Lee for taking a chance and making it much deeper. It came out at the wrong time. Hell, if it came out today I think it would still egt the same reception. Just not the film people wanted.

But I love TIH. It felt like a comic book and I loved Norton. Although Connelly and Elliot were better cast.

But Bana as Banner is underrated.

[A Necessary Evil]

Well, I mean JP3 had alot of cool stuff they cut out. You know that weak ending they had? There was supposed to be a fight between the raptors and the pteradons. Like it needed to be cut :argh:

Yeah, TLW does have goldblum...but it also has Grant....decisions, decisions.

:up: Probably. At least it gets alot of love now though.

[SuperFerret]

Raptors vs. Pterosaurs sounds almost as bad as the idea of Spinosaurus vs. Tyrannosaurus or the idea of using the Spinosaurus to begin with. I liked seeing Grant again, and I really liked what they did with the raptors in JP3, the rest is just meh.

[A Necessary Evil]

May not have been the best idea in the world, but it still would have been better than what we got.

[SuperFerret]

May not have been the best idea in the world, but it still would have been better than what we got.

What we got made sense. The raptors wanted their eggs back, they got them back, Grant confused them with noises, they ran off to protect their eggs, Navy.

Haha everyone does, but its so much better to have him than original actor for sake of continuity. Newer generations who watch all the movies are going to be wondering, "Who is that guy?" if they kept the original actor.

My response to this is the same as my response to a friend defending refilming the origin in the Spider-Man reboot because "younger generations don't know Spider-Man's origin".

F**k 'em. If they want to know, they'd better go learn.

:awesome: