Should any of these things be addressed?

[Thundercrack85]

In a reboot. Just some things that I've never really seen addressed. But your average movie goer might wonder.

1. Why or how Kryptonians look virtually identical to humans. Perhaps they are somehow distantly related, since they can noticeably naturally procreate. Have never seen this addressed.

2. Why no one notices Clark Kent and Superman are one in the same. Old comics had some rather odd explanations, but these days no one seems to ever notice.

3. How Superman can fly.

This would be in-universe explanation.

[wattabrownsound]

i think how his suit is made needs to be addressed too especially if its made from material that doesn't look it was sewn together like the Superman Returns suit.

[El Payaso]

I agree about how no one can tell Superman = Clark plus glasses. That HAS to be addressed.

That said, I'd also add how humans and the government would trust an alien that can see through walls and is indestructible. And rescuing a plane or helicopter is not enough.

[The Guard]

Yes.

[SuperMike335!!]

In a reboot. Just some things that I've never really seen addressed. But your average movie goer might wonder.

1. Why or how Kryptonians look virtually identical to humans. Perhaps they are somehow distantly related, since they can noticeably naturally procreate. Have never seen this addressed.

2. Why no one notices Clark Kent and Superman are one in the same. Old comics had some rather odd explanations, but these days no one seems to ever notice.

3. How Superman can fly.

This would be in-universe explanation.



1. No, let the comics fill in gaps like that. Superman is a mythic character, and as such, some disbelief has to be suspended.

Its better off to just make the movie "look good", and take the matter as seriously as you can, without pointing out obvious things like that to make it more realistic. This is Superman after all; there are so many laws of physics broken anyway.

Not only that, he does not look 100% human. Well, not for a human that does not workout. He is taller than the human average, and he has a world class athletes physique, 225-235 pounds of muscle (depending on source book), even though he does not have to work out to maintain it. Best reason for him to have big muscles and not have to workout is that he is an ALIEN.

2. This one should be explained, but it is easy enough.

Best way to do this is to just lead the audience in the right direction, by adding in a line Clark says to one of his confidants in the know. There could be a scene where this person, say Ma Kent, asks him how he is doing at keeping his secret, and he responds with "mom, its working better than I thought it would. You were right, by me NOT wearing a mask, nobody even thinks I have another life, they just assume I have nothing to hide and am Superman fulltime".

Throw in one more scene where he actually tell Lois, blatantly that he is Superman, when she asks how he gets all the stories so fast, and then Lois doesn’t believe him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0QVvbhMm24 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0QVvbhMm24)

I personally prefer a bigger Superman, 6’3" to 6’4" and 225-235 pounds of muscle, and I know that Clark would stand out as he would be build like Arnold Schwarzenegger (not when he was competing but after he lost 20 pounds to become an actor), but nobody can tell how ripped/cut Clark is in a suit as Clark. He just looks rather tall, big and broad shouldered.

But being its well known at the Daily Planet that he is from a small farm town, people just assume he’s big because he grew up on a farm. We could toss that in a scene too, with someone at the Planet commenting to Perry about how big Clark is, and Perry just tells him "Oh yeah, he’s a big boy alright, grew up in Kansas on a Farm".

The big muscular Superman is part of the Comic visual medium, and the movie should just look good. We don’t need him to look as big as a competing bodybuilder, but again we can get away with him looking like a big guy in the suit. Big guys are a dime a dozen anyway, so as long as people cannot tell how cut he is, and they won't in the suit, then they won't notice it.

The reasons given in the movie do not have to be perfect, they can be flawed reasons, but still good enough to draw attention away from things.
Keep in mind, Superman is fantasy fiction and myth. He shoots lasers out of his eyes after all, which brings me to three.

3. No reason to explain how he can fly.

Again, its myth, just like how he looks passably human, but is from krypton. This is just one of those places you have to suspend disbelief.

Like I have said, just make it look good because no matter how hard you try to explain things to add realism, there are people who can still poke holes in all of it, because after all, it is all fiction. I can understand trying to more realism with say Batman, because he has no Powers, but with Superman might as well just focus on good aesthetics, good dialogue, take the subject seriously, and give it an epic feel.

[B]

I'd like the glasses issue to be addressed, I've always liked the idea that the reason hes always wore glasses is because his eyes have an unearthly blue look to them & in some bizzare way wearing glasses somehow makes them look more...normal

But as for what you've suggested the glasses issue has always been one that has bothered me, how come a group of reporters somehow cannot put a connection together that Clark Kent is Superman.

This was posted by Ron El over on The Planet & I like how Batman sort of explains why people (especally reporters) do not make the connection between Superman/Clark Kent dispite them having similar physical look :up:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7579/adventuresofsuperman440.jpg

"By going maskless as Superman you divert most people from thinking you spend part of your time as someone else. After all, its not like you'd wear a mask in civilian life."

:up:

[SuperMike335!!]

"By going maskless as Superman you divert most people from thinking you spend part of your time as someone else. After all, its not like you'd wear a mask in civilian life."

:up:


Yep, its the best reason.

It meets the criteria of Occam's razor. Most simple solution is often the best one.

[ChickenScratch]

In a reboot. Just some things that I've never really seen addressed. But your average movie goer might wonder.
1. Why or how Kryptonians look virtually identical to humans. Perhaps they are somehow distantly related, since they can noticeably naturally procreate. Have never seen this addressed.
2. Why no one notices Clark Kent and Superman are one in the same. Old comics had some rather odd explanations, but these days no one seems to ever notice.
3. How Superman can fly.
This would be in-universe explanation.

1. As mentioned before, Kal-El does not look exactly human, just close enough. I can't remember what graphic novel I read it it, I'm thinking "Superman: Birthright" or one of those later retelling. His mother described his eyes of a shining blue not seen in nature, they seem to glow and have the clarity of gems. I'm pretty sure there was more but that's as much as I remember now after a day of watching football.

2. If you read any books on spy-craft and espionage that are not novels but historical or even biographies one thing that comes up a lot is how spies deal with disguises. It basically breaks down to a disguise gets you noticed, change mannerisms, speaking style (mostly rhythm) and most importantly body language because most communication is body language.

Connecting in that, we've seen Clark with books on acting in his bag when he moved to Metropolis. Plus, like they said in The Prince and The Pauper, "They never look for a Prince in a gutter."

Ok, I'm done, gonna go have some pie and watch cartoons.

[SuperMike335!!]

1. As mentioned before, Kal-El does not look exactly human, just close enough. I can't remember what graphic novel I read it it, I'm thinking "Superman: Birthright" or one of those later retelling. His mother described his eyes of a shining blue not seen in nature, they seem to glow and have the clarity of gems. I'm pretty sure there was more but that's as much as I remember now after a day of watching football.

2. If you read any books on spy-craft and espionage that are not novels but historical or even biographies one thing that comes up a lot is how spies deal with disguises. It basically breaks down to a disguise gets you noticed, change mannerisms, speaking style (mostly rhythm) and most importantly body language because most communication is body language.

Connecting in that, we've seen Clark with books on acting in his bag when he moved to Metropolis. Plus, like they said in The Prince and The Pauper, "They never look for a Prince in a gutter."

Ok, I'm done, gonna go have some pie and watch cartoons.

Very impressive Mr.Scratch...

I was not familiar with the spy stuff, but I like them.

[Webhead2006]

in a way i would like things to be explained in some good manner but then other times would like it to be more open ended so we dont have all the details. Though i agree the whole secret identity of clark kent and his superman persona should be explained in some cool fashion so it makes the whole secret id thing a bigger importance.

[Spike_x1]

1. No, let the comics fill in gaps like that. Superman is a mythic character, and as such, some disbelief has to be suspended.

Its better off to just make the movie "look good", and take the matter as seriously as you can, without pointing out obvious things like that to make it more realistic. This is Superman after all; there are so many laws of physics broken anyway.

Not only that, he does not look 100% human. Well, not for a human that does not workout. He is taller than the human average, and he has a world class athletes physique, 225-235 pounds of muscle (depending on source book), even though he does not have to work out to maintain it. Best reason for him to have big muscles and not have to workout is that he is an ALIEN.

2. This one should be explained, but it is easy enough.

Best way to do this is to just lead the audience in the right direction, by adding in a line Clark says to one of his confidants in the know. There could be a scene where this person, say Ma Kent, asks him how he is doing at keeping his secret, and he responds with "mom, its working better than I thought it would. You were right, by me NOT wearing a mask, nobody even thinks I have another life, they just assume I have nothing to hide and am Superman fulltime".

Throw in one more scene where he actually tell Lois, blatantly that he is Superman, when she asks how he gets all the stories so fast, and then Lois doesn’t believe him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0QVvbhMm24 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0QVvbhMm24)

I personally prefer a bigger Superman, 6’3" to 6’4" and 225-235 pounds of muscle, and I know that Clark would stand out as he would be build like Arnold Schwarzenegger (not when he was competing but after he lost 20 pounds to become an actor), but nobody can tell how ripped/cut Clark is in a suit as Clark. He just looks rather tall, big and broad shouldered.

But being its well known at the Daily Planet that he is from a small farm town, people just assume he’s big because he grew up on a farm. We could toss that in a scene too, with someone at the Planet commenting to Perry about how big Clark is, and Perry just tells him "Oh yeah, he’s a big boy alright, grew up in Kansas on a Farm".

The big muscular Superman is part of the Comic visual medium, and the movie should just look good. We don’t need him to look as big as a competing bodybuilder, but again we can get away with him looking like a big guy in the suit. Big guys are a dime a dozen anyway, so as long as people cannot tell how cut he is, and they won't in the suit, then they won't notice it.

The reasons given in the movie do not have to be perfect, they can be flawed reasons, but still good enough to draw attention away from things.
Keep in mind, Superman is fantasy fiction and myth. He shoots lasers out of his eyes after all, which brings me to three.

3. No reason to explain how he can fly.

Again, its myth, just like how he looks passably human, but is from krypton. This is just one of those places you have to suspend disbelief.

Like I have said, just make it look good because no matter how hard you try to explain things to add realism, there are people who can still poke holes in all of it, because after all, it is all fiction. I can understand trying to more realism with say Batman, because he has no Powers, but with Superman might as well just focus on good aesthetics, good dialogue, take the subject seriously, and give it an epic feel.:up:

[DavidTyler]

One of the things I always thought they could do (in addition to the 'no one thinks Superman has another identity) is for Clark's glasses to dull down the blue of his eyes. The lenses could also make his eyes look just a touch larger. That would be enough of a change where his acting skills could separate the two identities...

Keep in mind that Superman in front of a crowd is also an act.

[SuperFerret]

In a word, no. Explaining those things are entirely unnecessary.

[M.O.Steel]

In a reboot. Just some things that I've never really seen addressed. But your average movie goer might wonder.

1. Why or how Kryptonians look virtually identical to humans. Perhaps they are somehow distantly related, since they can noticeably naturally procreate. Have never seen this addressed.

2. Why no one notices Clark Kent and Superman are one in the same. Old comics had some rather odd explanations, but these days no one seems to ever notice.

3. How Superman can fly.

This would be in-universe explanation.

none of the above.

[NotFadeAway]

I agree about how no one can tell Superman = Clark plus glasses. That HAS to be addressed.

That said, I'd also add how humans and the government would trust an alien that can see through walls and is indestructible. And rescuing a plane or helicopter is not enough.

If I had my way, Earth would fear Superman up until the end of the origin film. It would take the whole film for Supes to win people over. The only person who would believe in Superman from the get go would be, you guessed it, Lois Lane.

[M.O.Steel]

One of the things I always thought they could do (in addition to the 'no one thinks Superman has another identity) is for Clark's glasses to dull down the blue of his eyes. The lenses could also make his eyes look just a touch larger. That would be enough of a change where his acting skills could separate the two identities...



i like this. maybe those high powered reading glasses that throw off the eyes

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f135/urbanguy2/OFFICE_SPACE_SE-0.jpg
heck, even when he wears glasses in real life he doesn't look the same.
http://www.nerdalerts.net/movie/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/milton.jpg

[M.O.Steel]

If I had my way, Earth would fear Superman up until the end of the origin film. It would take the whole film for Supes to win people over. The only person who would believe in Superman from the get go would be, you guessed it, Lois Lane.

i like this and completely agree with this. that's why i think there's a lot of potential in a origin movie.

they make it fresh even with the same story.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Why no one notices Clark Kent and Superman are one in the same. Old comics had some rather odd explanations, but these days no one seems to ever notice.



I have always liked the idea of Jor-el speaking to him at the FOS letting him know he is ready:

"My son, up until now you have learned about humanity through your Earth parents. Although you have been raised as a human being, you are not one of them. There will be times when being a human, will not be enough. At times you must act as Earth's savior. Use your powers for this reason alone. I give to you the symbol our family carried on Krypton. When you wear this symbol, it represents your power as a Kryptonian. The human beings you have become attached with, will no longer view you as one of them. They will only be able to see you as my son Kal-el. There are 2 lives you must lead, life as a human, and life as a Kryptonian. I give you the means to separate these lives, but ultimately it is up to you on how to balance them."

Basically when wearing the symbol/suit those that know and care about him as a human being, can only see him as the Kryptonian that he actually is. A mind wiping to some extent, but imo effective.

When Lois gives him the name Superman, he accepts it. He could say he is Kal-el, but chooses to balance the Kryptonian with the human side accepting what the humans choose to call him. Not a godly Kryptonian, but just more than a man... A super-man :)

[SuperMike335!!]

Basically when wearing the symbol/suit those that know and care about him as a human being, can only see him as the Kryptonian that he actually is. A mind wiping to some extent, but imo effective.

When Lois gives him the name Superman, he accepts it. He could say he is Kal-el, but chooses to balance the Kryptonian with the human side accepting what the humans choose to call him. Not a godly Kryptonian, but just more than a man... A super-man :)

Exactly, because as Superman he seems so above everything, humans would fall into the mindset of seeing him as just what they see and nothing more than a fulltime superman.

Its also normal for humans to create hero exaggeration. No matter how tall Superman is for example, people will think he is a half foot taller than that, because of the impression he gives them. They see him as a Mythic god.

That is another thing that actually should be explained, as it would make a good character development.

I mean about him not being a god.

He could be talking to Lois, as she is taking notes for a story "is Superman a god?", and he responds to her with "absolutely not. I cannot be everywhere at once, I am not omnipresent, even as fast as I am".

To which Lois responds with (somewhat sadly) "and that’s why you cannot save everyone?"

Superman responds with "I can see through walls, but I cannot see eveything either, I am not all seeing".

Lois; " I know now, so you don’t pick and chose who you will save, you just do the best you can?".

Superman; " Yes, I will always do everything I can to save anyone, but as powerful as I am, I do not have the power to save everyone from harm, and I certainly do not have the power to save their soul. I should never be confused with a god either".

[Webhead2006]

that wouldnt be a half bad idea \S/

[\S/JcDc\S/]

that wouldnt be a half bad idea \S/

Thanks, I think it would satisfy fans without going to scientific/marvel'ized

[NotFadeAway]

i like this and completely agree with this. that's why i think there's a lot of potential in a origin movie.

they make it fresh even with the same story.

Exactly, there are just so many little story additions and changes like this that could make a new origin story that much more original and fresh, along with the bigger changes such as Clark Kent being the Post-crisis real person, traveling the world as a freelance journalist as seen in Birthright, Lex Luthor NOT being the villian from the word go, etc etc.....

As far as our idea about Earth fearing Supes at first, I had a thought/ What if, for his debut appearence, Superman appears without a cape? And then, after seeing the fearful reaction he recieves, Clark decides to add a cape as a way of trying to put humans at ease and seem less threatening.

[Webhead2006]

those are good reasons

[Thundercrack85]

Exactly, there are just so many little story additions and changes like this that could make a new origin story that much more original and fresh, along with the bigger changes such as Clark Kent being the Post-crisis real person, traveling the world as a freelance journalist as seen in Birthright, Lex Luthor NOT being the villian from the word go, etc etc.....

As far as our idea about Earth fearing Supes at first, I had a thought/ What if, for his debut appearence, Superman appears without a cape? And then, after seeing the fearful reaction he recieves, Clark decides to add a cape as a way of trying to put humans at ease and seem less threatening.


While I like the idea of the world fearing Superman at first, I think the cape would actually have the opposite effect. It makes him look more impressive, and therefore more unsettling to paranoid humans.

[RachelDawes]

Has the purpose of the cape ever been addressed in the comics?

[SuperMike335!!]

Has the purpose of the cape ever been addressed in the comics?

Just aesthetic so far as I know.

It may have some precedent in early circus strongman and wrestler costumes as well.

[Webhead2006]

probably so.

[RachelDawes]

Just aesthetic so far as I know.

It may have some precedent in early circus strongman and wrestler costumes as well.

Then I wonder if the cape should be explained in an origin movie the way Batman's was.

[Thundercrack85]

They could just say it's for effect. After all, he looks a bit naked without it.

Or, they could explain it as being Kryptonian fashion to wear capes.

[Webhead2006]

possible thundercrack85

[M.O.Steel]

i'm sorry...the more you explain things, it loses all it's mystery and appeal. kryptonian attire should be as far as it goes. no more explanation than that.

i hated it when the explained the force in star wars. it's a mystery. don't explain things because it loses the value.

[El Payaso]

If I had my way, Earth would fear Superman up until the end of the origin film. It would take the whole film for Supes to win people over. The only person who would believe in Superman from the get go would be, you guessed it, Lois Lane.

Oh yes. You sir have just... read my mind (pun).

[Fresh Prince]

I got a question? If people did not know Superman was an alien until he told them, then what did they think he was? A second coming Jesus type or a man who was born with super human abilities?

[Webhead2006]

hmm good question. Though in the comics he was one of the very first superhuman beings. So i wonder what they would go about with todays world.

[El Payaso]

I got a question? If people did not know Superman was an alien until he told them, then what did they think he was? A second coming Jesus type or a man who was born with super human abilities?

Oh sir, do not mention that name in relation to Superman around here. :cwink:Besides the fact that Superman is obviously and heavily based on Jesus, I'm sure some people would think he's Jesus coming again (if Superman existed).

[Fresh Prince]

hmm good question. Though in the comics he was one of the very first superhuman beings. So i wonder what they would go about with todays world.

Proably think he is a second coming GOD to save humanity.

[M.O.Steel]

I got a question? If people did not know Superman was an alien until he told them, then what did they think he was? A second coming Jesus type or a man who was born with super human abilities?

in L&C, he thought he was a failed russian experiment. smallville, he was looking over articles of humans doing extraordinary feets like grandma lifting a car when the kid is under it.

[Timstuff]

another day, another double post...

[Timstuff]

i like this. maybe those high powered reading glasses that throw off the eyes

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f135/urbanguy2/OFFICE_SPACE_SE-0.jpg
heck, even when he wears glasses in real life he doesn't look the same.
http://www.nerdalerts.net/movie/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/milton.jpg

Good example! :up:

[SuperMike335!!]

i'm sorry...the more you explain things, it loses all it's mystery and appeal. kryptonian attire should be as far as it goes. no more explanation than that.

i hated it when the explained the force in star wars. it's a mystery. don't explain things because it loses the value.

Exactly.

My mantra is to "make it look good, take the subject matter seriously, but don't try explain everything to make it more realistic".

[SuperMike335!!]

Oh sir, do not mention that name in relation to Superman around here. :cwink:Besides the fact that Superman is obviously and heavily based on Jesus, I'm sure some people would think he's Jesus coming again (if Superman existed).

While its possible that people may think that about him, in the comics he has gone out of his way to tell people not to worship him, and that he is not a god.

Also, he is not the first Superpowered being in the DCU to show up on earth. Just one of the most powerful.

Facts are verifiable information.

Superman being based on Jesus is NOT a fact.

His creators were actually both Jewish. Not that Superman is Jewish, but he certainly was not intended to be Jesus.

It has also be stated, multiple times in the comics, that his is not a god. He is not omnipresent, omnipotent, or omniscient.

He cannot be everywhere at once, cannot alter reality with a thought, and is not all seeing.

Superman also is limited to saving your life, he cannot grant forgiveness for a sin, or save souls.

[Webhead2006]

those are some good points, but folks will always compare superman to jesus or even moses.

[M.O.Steel]

While its possible that people may think that about him, in the comics he has gone out of his way to tell people not to worship him, and that he is not a god.

Also, he is not the first Superpowered being in the DCU to show up on earth. Just one of the most powerful.

Facts are verifiable information.

Superman being based on Jesus is NOT a fact.

His creators were actually both Jewish. Not that Superman is Jewish, but he certainly was not intended to be Jesus.

It has also be stated, multiple times in the comics, that his is not a god. He is not omnipresent, omnipotent, or omniscient.

He cannot be everywhere at once, cannot alter reality with a thought, and is not all seeing.

Superman also is limited to saving your life, he cannot grant forgiveness for a sin, or save souls.

his name is Kal-El. "voice of god" or "all that is god".

I never liked the blatant emphasis on the messiah figure either, but the intention was there. and like WH'06 said, even if it wasn't intentional, the allergoires are there. and just like the Golden Calf, people will worship him even if he tells them not too.

[Thundercrack85]

I really don't think you can compare the Force and midichlorians to Superman and how his powers work. Unlike the Force, there's never been anything mystical about Superman's powers. Such an analogy would work with a character like Wonder Woman, but Superman's powers have traditionally been pseudo-scientifically explained.

I imagine prior to the alien thing, they probably figured he got his powers in some strange accident or experiment. The original Superman was a product of experimentation with a meteor, perhaps some would speculate that.

[Webhead2006]

yea i guess so

[M.O.Steel]

I really don't think you can compare the Force and midichlorians to Superman and how his powers work. Unlike the Force, there's never been anything mystical about Superman's powers. Such an analogy would work with a character like Wonder Woman, but Superman's powers have traditionally been pseudo-scientifically explained.

I imagine prior to the alien thing, they probably figured he got his powers in some strange accident or experiment. The original Superman was a product of experimentation with a meteor, perhaps some would speculate that.

all i'm saying is that the more you explain things, the less it becomes fantastical. "pesudo sciecnce is still science fiction". some things should be left to the imagination. especially in a movie. comics book have been around for 70 years, so they have tiem to explore things if need be.

[Webhead2006]

oh totally some things should be left open and not fully explained. But in my mind certain things should be explained a little bit.

[Fresh Prince]

So in the DCU who was the first super powered human?...Also is Wonder Women and Martian Manhunter stronger then Superman....And when Superman was first created he was a product of experimentation with a meteor? So in other words their was no Kyrptone yet?

[SuperMike335!!]

his name is Kal-El. "voice of god" or "all that is god".

I never liked the blatant emphasis on the messiah figure either, but the intention was there. and like WH'06 said, even if it wasn't intentional, the allergoires are there. and just like the Golden Calf, people will worship him even if he tells them not too.

Wasn't aware of the Hebrew translation of his Kryptonian name.

Fair enough then but I think turning him into a Jesus like character on screen is in a way making him a Golden Calf.

I think making him too "Jesus" is doing exactly that, and is why I think it is important to at least stay away from any messiah Superman stuff.

The people attempting to worship him situation has happened in the comics, but for a movie turning him into the Golden Calf is not really where I want to see things go.

[Webhead2006]

neither do i want to see that mike.

[M.O.Steel]

Wasn't aware of the Hebrew translation of his Kryptonian name.

Fair enough then but I think turning him into a Jesus like character on screen is in a way making him a Golden Calf.

I think making him too "Jesus" is doing exactly that, and is why I think it is important to at least stay away from any messiah Superman stuff.

The people attempting to worship him situation has happened in the comics, but for a movie turning him into the Golden Calf is not really where I want to see things go.

never liked it myself either. i prefer the "best a man can be" version than the "god-like" version.

[X Knight]

I've always seen Superman as a man who COULD be a God amongst men, but chooses NOT to. Instead, he chooses to live a "normal," humble life among us, using his great powers to help us. He doesn't ask to be seen as a savior, nor does he want to be viewed as such........he just wants to be "one of us," helping us because he wants to help........because he can help.....because he was raised to be a kind, generous, responsible person by his parents. Not because of some pre-ordained legacy, prophecy, or mission or because of some savior/messiah complex.

This is the perfect contrast/foil to Lex, who is a man who WANTS to be God, he WANTS to obtain more power so he can control others......he WANTS his fellow men to see him as their savior..........Lex DOES have a savior/messiah complex......

[Webhead2006]

totally that would be great parallels for clark and lex.

[Bruce Malone]

In real life if superman only had his power of flight he would be venerated as some sort of messiah by alot of people out there.

[GreenKToo]

yeah, it would be pathetic at all the cults that would form.

[M.O.Steel]

I've always seen Superman as a man who COULD be a God amongst men, but chooses NOT to. Instead, he chooses to live a "normal," humble life among us, using his great powers to help us. He doesn't ask to be seen as a savior, nor does he want to be viewed as such........he just wants to be "one of us," helping us because he wants to help........because he can help.....because he was raised to be a kind, generous, responsible person by his parents. Not because of some pre-ordained legacy, prophecy, or mission or because of some savior/messiah complex.

This is the perfect contrast/foil to Lex, who is a man who WANTS to be God, he WANTS to obtain more power so he can control others......he WANTS his fellow men to see him as their savior..........Lex DOES have a savior/messiah complex......

i like this. sounds good to me.

JorEl shouldn't send him to help humans. he did it to save kalel, and it is kalel that takes on the role.

[El Payaso]

never liked it myself either. i prefer the "best a man can be" version than the "god-like" version.

Problem is that no matter how noble any man could be or whatever any man could do, he would never be super-powered ad invulnerable like Superman is. Superman is God-like but not God.

[M.O.Steel]

Problem is that no matter how noble any man could be or whatever any man could do, he would never be super-powered ad invulnerable like Superman is. Superman is God-like but not God.

while in a sense you are right, if you really delve into the character, theh have done creative ways of showing that all the goodness is him as a person independent of his powers . 1) when he doesn't have his powers, he still acts the exact same way , or 2) when other people have his powers, they greatly abuse it. 3) they show him being raised in alternate realities where he wasn't raised with the values and morals.

i like this discussion.

[Webhead2006]

it would be interesting to see what they would do with that.

[M.O.Steel]

oh totally some things should be left open and not fully explained. But in my mind certain things should be explained a little bit.

fair enough, but i don't think the initial 3 questions are necessary

[Nightwing1977]

I've always seen Superman as a man who COULD be a God amongst men, but chooses NOT to. Instead, he chooses to live a "normal," humble life among us, using his great powers to help us. He doesn't ask to be seen as a savior, nor does he want to be viewed as such........he just wants to be "one of us," helping us because he wants to help........because he can help.....because he was raised to be a kind, generous, responsible person by his parents. Not because of some pre-ordained legacy, prophecy, or mission or because of some savior/messiah complex.

This is the perfect contrast/foil to Lex, who is a man who WANTS to be God, he WANTS to obtain more power so he can control others......he WANTS his fellow men to see him as their savior..........Lex DOES have a savior/messiah complex......

Word.

[spider-neil]

from blackest night;

'clark slouches, wears clothes two sizes too big for him and raises his voice an octave'

hal talking to barry

that is a good enough disguise for someone who has spent any real time with superman (normal civilian) or someone who has spent time with clark kent (superhero) but eliminates virtually everyone except probably lois lane.

[M.O.Steel]

from blackest night;

'clark slouches, wears clothes two sizes too big for him and raises his voice an octave'

hal talking to barry

that is a good enough disguise for someone who has spent any real time with superman (normal civilian) or someone who has spent time with clark kent (superhero) but eliminates virtually everyone except probably lois lane.

nice. and maybe lana too. i think it was superman for all seasons when lana sent clark a letter saying, as soon as i saw the news with the feats of superman, i knew it was you. something like that.

[Webhead2006]

they really should next go around play into how/way clark develops his metropolis like and act compared to his hero look and persona.

[Hypestyle]

his need to eat/sleep should be addressed..

[M.O.Steel]

oh dear...:whatever:

[The Guard]

Also, whether he has a penis or not. That's of vital importance.

[Thundercrack85]

I suppose I can understand it to a degree, but for an acclaimed investigative reporter, it doesn't reflect well on Lois that she can't figure out Clark Kent and Superman are the same two people. Even with glasses.

As for eating and sleeping (not sure if that's a real question), I don't see why not. Anything could be explored/addressed and I certainly wouldn't mind. Wouldn't surprise me if both are different from humans.

[M.O.Steel]

while it is true they can be explored, remember we are talking about a 2 hour movie. now if we are talking about a trilogy or series, those things can be explored, way too short for a single movie.

[Webhead2006]

oh totally i think most of us are talking about things we like to see get addressed done over a course of a series of films.

[wattabrownsound]

here are three reasons why i would like how superman's suit is made be addressed:

1)so it feels like something clark is wearing when turning into superman rather than a costume the actor is wearing when playing the role of superman. the suits origin needs to be addressed so it basically feels like its part of the world.

2)so the look and materials of the suit look like they were chosen by clark rather than the costume department. would clark really have chosen to have the \s/ put on the bottom of his boot and have tiny superman emblem's engraved into the main emblem?

3)so we finally gets answers as to why does he wear underwear on the outside of his suit and why does he wear a cape if he can fly without it.

[SuperMike335!!]

I suppose I can understand it to a degree, but for an acclaimed investigative reporter, it doesn't reflect well on Lois that she can't figure out Clark Kent and Superman are the same two people. Even with glasses.

As for eating and sleeping (not sure if that's a real question), I don't see why not. Anything could be explored/addressed and I certainly wouldn't mind. Wouldn't surprise me if both are different from humans.


You should read some of the other posts on this thread, they go into detail on how his secret is kept from Lois, and how this coudl be translated to a movie.

The reason does not need to be perfect, but just direct the audience away from it.

Easiest reason is how people build up their heros with mental exaggeration.

The other issue is that identity is much less about specific facial features, and more body language, speech patern, voice etc... Non-Verbal is for example about 90% of human communication.

Other issues are a seeming 3-4" height difference with Clark and Superman.

As Clark, he would slouch -2 or -3 inches, and wear flat sole shoes -1 inch compared to normal footwear every one else has on.

As Superman he would stand with good posture, and wear boots with a normal 1.5 inch heel, and 0.5 inch padding on the inside of the boot. The result is him seeming 4"-5" taller than Clark. That is a big contrast.

Add that to voice and body language and it should be convincing enough.

The last thing to add to it, is that because Superman does not wear a mask, no body looks for his secret. By not wearing a mask he gives the impression he is superman fulltime.

That way, as Clark, he could wav it in their face, and claim to be Superman, and people would think he is joking. Humans refuse to see what they are not looking for. :woot:

[Webhead2006]

totally valid point there.

[Alien Anal]

How would your write a scene into a film that addressed these topics?

"thank you for saving me Superman..by the way..what is your suits logo made from?"

I think it depends on Superman's own personal knowledge, how would superman know how he flies?

* Doesn't mean that i wouldn't want the director and writer to think about these things and maybe tell us in blogs during the filming

[Webhead2006]

well costume could be told by us when we see it being made and all that. As for the other stuff i dont know.

[That person]

As for 1, is this ever explained in the comics? If it could be done without seeming forced, I'd like to see it in the movie, but I'd also like to know if anyone made any effort to explain it, seeing as my Googling was fruitless.

[wattabrownsound]

does superman live in a world where other superheroes exists or is he the only one?

[Webhead2006]

totally would like if its stated there is other heroes around. But its all about what wb is planning to do with next few hero films hex/losers/gl and if they share a same universe or they are all their own worlds, but left open for the possiblity of they co exist.

[wattabrownsound]

after the major villain is defeated they should address that they will be an ongoing threat to superman. even though they might not be in the next movie, at least have them brooding in their cell at Stryker's mumbling that "its not over" or something like that.

[Webhead2006]

that would be nice.

[Mr. Earle]

Has the purpose of the cape ever been addressed in the comics?Its the blanket his parents covered him with when they put him in the spaceship. i'm sorry...the more you explain things, it loses all it's mystery and appeal. kryptonian attire should be as far as it goes. no more explanation than that.

i hated it when the explained the force in star wars. it's a mystery. don't explain things because it loses the value.I agree. Its one thing to explain why a rich guy would dress up like a bat, and another to start explaining Superman.

In a reboot. Just some things that I've never really seen addressed. But your average movie goer might wonder.

1. Why or how Kryptonians look virtually identical to humans. Perhaps they are somehow distantly related, since they can noticeably naturally procreate. Have never seen this addressed.

2. Why no one notices Clark Kent and Superman are one in the same. Old comics had some rather odd explanations, but these days no one seems to ever notice.

3. How Superman can fly.

This would be in-universe explanation.1) Its fiction. There is no way to explain it other than the fact that Jor-El specifically chose earth because we look like Kryptonians and his son would not look different.

2) Its explained in "Superman: Birthright" if i remember correctly. Clark throws his hair down his forehead, hunches his back a bit to lose height, and wears suits bigger than his size so that he looks like a flubby man who hasnt even walked outside of a gym. Also, with Superman walking around with no mask, people believe that he has no secret identity and dont look for it.

3) There is some kind of stupid explanation in the comics but do we really need it? Lets leave it at "he gets power from the sun and gets superhuman abilities".

[Mr. Earle]

totally would like if its stated there is other heroes around. But its all about what wb is planning to do with next few hero films hex/losers/gl and if they share a same universe or they are all their own worlds, but left open for the possiblity of they co exist.I'd be nice if they leave it open or even mention another hero. I remember in a comic book when Clark first comes with the idea of becoming a superhero, his mother says "i hope not like that lunatic in Gotham". Hahaha :woot:

In the comics they all live in the same world, so why close the borders in the films? If they dont want to do cameos or team ups, fine, but leave it open, there is no need to close the hero in his own world.

Personally i'd love some cameos, mentions, easter eggs, but most of all, a Superman/Batman film. If they ever plan on doing a JL movie, it cant deal with Superman and Batman meeting each other and hating each other till they become friends. It a very big chapter that needs and deserves to be addressed in its own film.

[M.O.Steel]

Its the blanket his parents covered him with when they put him in the spaceship. I agree. Its one thing to explain why a rich guy would dress up like a bat, and another to start explaining Superman.

1) Its fiction. There is no way to explain it other than the fact that Jor-El specifically chose earth because we look like Kryptonians and his son would not look different.

2) Its explained in "Superman: Birthright" if i remember correctly. Clark throws his hair down his forehead, hunches his back a bit to lose height, and wears suits bigger than his size so that he looks like a flubby man who hasnt even walked outside of a gym. Also, with Superman walking around with no mask, people believe that he has no secret identity and dont look for it.

3) There is some kind of stupid explanation in the comics but do we really need it? Lets leave it at "he gets power from the sun and gets superhuman abilities".

wow, i like that explanation. instead of saying what are the odds that earth and krytonians look alike, say that it was earth on purpose because they look alike. sounds good to me.

[Mr. Earle]

I think they used that explanation in the Reeves movie but i am not so sure. Its good isnt it?

[M.O.Steel]

I think they used that explanation in the Reeves movie but i am not so sure. Its good isnt it?

well in the movies, he just said that he would look like them but would not be one of them. but i think it the comics and smallville, jor-el came to earth many times to see how they live and learn about humans, and even the kents i think.

[Webhead2006]

well how many other many many human looking aliens are there in the dc universe? have they ever explained that? i just take it on worlds that support live they just developed as humanoid forms and all that.

[M.O.Steel]

but we're talking about the movie here right?

i don't think they should acknowledge it at all, but if they do...

i personally don't think other superpowered people should be in this superman world (outside the super villains ocfourse)

[Mr. Earle]

well how many other many many human looking aliens are there in the dc universe? have they ever explained that? i just take it on worlds that support live they just developed as humanoid forms and all that.There are other aliens that look like humans. Sinestro for example, although he is kinda orange. :hehe:
Anyway, its fiction, human looking aliens makes it easier for us to relate to them.
but we're talking about the movie here right?

i don't think they should acknowledge it at all, but if they do...

i personally don't think other superpowered people should be in this superman world (outside the super villains ocfourse)I am a fan of a wider DC universe and not separate franchises. I can undestand why people would be afraid to apply that to Batman, but with Superman it works at its best. Because he is the daddy, he is the beacon, the symbol that everyone, including other heroes looks up to.

[Webhead2006]

yea it would be nice for dc to have a single consive universe going. But with all the problems with getting there characters out and all the different directors/writers it will probably never happen. Unlike for marvel studios with hulk/thor/cap/ironman they specifically have plans to join these guys together.

[RachelDawes]

There are other aliens that look like humans. Sinestro for example, although he is kinda orange. :hehe:
Anyway, its fiction, human looking aliens makes it easier for us to relate to them.
I am a fan of a wider DC universe and not separate franchises. I can undestand why people would be afraid to apply that to Batman, but with Superman it works at its best. Because he is the daddy, he is the beacon, the symbol that everyone, including other heroes looks up to.

Superman is also not at all grounded in reality, so it's easier to pair him with Amazons and alien rings corps, etc.

[Mr. Earle]

Superman is also not at all grounded in reality, so it's easier to pair him with Amazons and alien rings corps, etc.Exactly. He comes from another planet, he has enemies from other planets like Mongul and Brainiac and even other dimensions like Darkseid. So yeah, its easy to place any other hero in Superman's world.
To be honest i have a bigger problem with integrating WW and her mythological world than integrating Batman. But something similar is going to happen with Thor and Ironman in the Marvel movies so i think they'll pull it off. And you know what, if the end result is good, why bother with semantics?
Since the day Nolan took over people have been obsessed with realism. Leave realism at the door and enjoy Batman in the Justice League. He is not going to beat Darkseid anyway. Just watch the JL animated series (lots of episodes on Youtube) and you'll see that it all makes sense.

[Webhead2006]

totally its all about how things are displayed and written out, any dc guys could easily live in the same world with each other. Perosonally i been really thinking lately the next series should decide to go more scifi/fantasy and comicbookie, with sure the regular human characters playing on grounded phsyics and all that.

[Thundercrack85]

I don't see Wonder Woman working any better in a Superman movie than a Batman movie. Superman's world is one of science-fiction, Wonder Woman's world is one of mythology.

I'm still curious how they will work Thor into the semi-realistic movie-universe they have made with the Hulk and Iron Man.

The shared universe is fun, but it does present a few problems.

[RachelDawes]

I don't see Wonder Woman working any better in a Superman movie than a Batman movie. Superman's world is one of science-fiction, Wonder Woman's world is one of mythology.

I'm still curious how they will work Thor into the semi-realistic movie-universe they have made with the Hulk and Iron Man.

The shared universe is fun, but it does present a few problems.

I have a really hard time imagining Thor fitting into IM's and Hulk's universe, which is heavily based on science, however implausible. I worry less about WW, probably since Superman and GL feel more like science fantasy to me and from there it's only a short leap to real fantasy.

[M.O.Steel]

we're having a hard time getting a decent superman centric movie of the ground. i really don't think we need to throw in others just to open a can of worms. all i'm saying is that we need a nice solid superman trilogy to really establish the character, and with GL, and hopefully someday WW and Flash on the way, we can get a proper JLA movie.

eventually, maybe sure, but at least not for 2-3 movies into it.

[M.O.Steel]

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[Thundercrack85]

Well, I suppose Thor will give DC some ideas for any future crossovers movies involving Wonder Woman.

For crossovers though, it would be nice to have some sort of order.

After all, Batman would barely get any media coverage if Superman came first.

There's nothing wrong with having a good set up for just Superman, but some cameos and references can also be present. Even if it's just something as little as a young Clark Kent reading a book by Dr. Erdel a la Superman Secret Origins, or a Wayne Enterprises logo in the background somewhere.

[Webhead2006]

totally if the studios went full on to do a shared universe from the get go and hired writers who would chat and discuss things between each other. Then sure a shared univese could easily work out.

[wattabrownsound]

they should address that superman has more than just the 6 or so villains that would show up in a trilogy. they should have the lesser villains some how incorporated in the superman movies even though they can't hold up a superman movie on their own.

they should also address that after the final villain is defeated in the trilogy that it won't be happily ever after for superman. there are more villains out there and its going to be a never-ending battle.

[Webhead2006]

totally like how batman begins had faclone, but then also ras/scarecrow. Make one guy of lesser extent like a morgan edge to be something taken care of in one part of film. Then have a bigger issue like metallo and all that.

[wattabrownsound]

if superman is fighting the villain in a highly populated area they should address why superman can't take the fight somewhere deserted like Goku would usually do.

[Fresh Prince]

if superman is fighting the villain in a highly populated area they should address why superman can't take the fight somewhere deserted like Goku would usually do.

Why not?

[M.O.Steel]

if superman is fighting the villain in a highly populated area they should address why superman can't take the fight somewhere deserted like Goku would usually do.

why can't he? what are you talking about?

he did that in superman 2.

although i think it would be much cooler to fight in the middle of the city, villians could use innocent bystanders against superman.

[SuperMike335!!]

if superman is fighting the villain in a highly populated area they should address why superman can't take the fight somewhere deserted like Goku would usually do.

Because Superman does not have one dimension villains, not all of them would just go join him in the desert fight.

He cannot just fly off and hope they chase him there either. Some he has tried to take to more isolated areas, but like Doomsday, end up bashing him around when he tries to move him.

Most of the reason why is that Superman’s Villains do not just show up, square off, and "try to fight" Superman.

Also, on plenty of occasions, Superman has done just that, when he can.

He has taken it to the moon before it if he has to.

I think if there is a big enough fight, maybe the movie should do just that, they start fighting in the city, and then Superman moves the fight out to some other place.

[Webhead2006]

totally those could all work.

[wattabrownsound]

who would protect the city from a supervillain attack or if one breaks out of Stryker's when superman is off on Warworld or Apokolips? luckily for the superman returns movie they didn't have to worry about such an idea when he went searching for Krypton b/c there weren't any other supervillains around except Lex.

[Webhead2006]

well if we were in a world with crazy hightech weapons and other superheroes around some other guy could come in, or the special police on super beings and all that.

[wattabrownsound]

if superman lives in a world where other superheroes exists perhaps they can bring up the topic of how Superman would and should never be like the batman. ma or pa kent or even lois can bring it up.

[Webhead2006]

that would be cool.

[wattabrownsound]

if superman finds some other way to defeat the villain other than fighting them til their down they should address why he didn't think of or do that in the first place. especially if that solution was available all along.

[wattabrownsound]

two other things that could be addressed are: where does superman go after a fight? and where has he been before he first shows up?
maybe the people of metropolis could become curious about where he disappears to after his first couple of appearances.

[Webhead2006]

well in the comics they think he is being a hero 24/7 right? so maybe they will just think he is off doing another save somewhere around the world.

[Malone]

Exactly, because as Superman he seems so above everything, humans would fall into the mindset of seeing him as just what they see and nothing more than a fulltime superman.

Its also normal for humans to create hero exaggeration. No matter how tall Superman is for example, people will think he is a half foot taller than that, because of the impression he gives them. They see him as a Mythic god.

That is another thing that actually should be explained, as it would make a good character development.

I mean about him not being a god.

He could be talking to Lois, as she is taking notes for a story "is Superman a god?", and he responds to her with "absolutely not. I cannot be everywhere at once, I am not omnipresent, even as fast as I am".

To which Lois responds with (somewhat sadly) "and that’s why you cannot save everyone?"

Superman responds with "I can see through walls, but I cannot see eveything either, I am not all seeing".

Lois; " I know now, so you don’t pick and chose who you will save, you just do the best you can?".

Superman; " Yes, I will always do everything I can to save anyone, but as powerful as I am, I do not have the power to save everyone from harm, and I certainly do not have the power to save their soul. I should never be confused with a god either".

I agree; I always hated those kinds of comparisons. I like to think of Superman as being a human with extroardinary abilities. What kind of choices would a person make if they could do things like that? I understand that he is kryptonian, that's why he has the abilities that he does, but he is also a character filled with emotion; and he has a conscience. The "god" comparisons have always been a turn-off for me.

[thorstone]

1. Krypton = Earth

2. Clark is clumsy, weak, slouched over, uncharismatic he wears the uniform of the everyman, and a fortress of solitude.

3. Superman can fly because of telekinesis.

[El Payaso]

well in the comics they think he is being a hero 24/7 right? so maybe they will just think he is off doing another save somewhere around the world.

I always thought it's like that. BUt it wouldn't be any difficult to check that Superman was nowhere to be seen. Otherwise there would be news about it and everyone would be knowing about it.

What I want to know is presicely why Superman does not work 24/7 as a superhero? It's clear that more people could be saved if he were active all the time.

[Frodo]

1. No , I wouldn't address it . I might give Kryptonians a different lanuage with subtitles .
2. I think the Lois and Clark method of different Hair styles and body posture is enough . I wouldn't mind Clark also having a bit of a midwestern accent , where as Superman's voice may be deeper and without an accent. Not a Batman growl, but more of bass sound.
3. The yellow sun gives him enhanced abilities. Nuff said.Lol.

[RachelDawes]

I always thought it's like that. BUt it wouldn't be any difficult to check that Superman was nowhere to be seen. Otherwise there would be news about it and everyone would be knowing about it.

What I want to know is presicely why Superman does not work 24/7 as a superhero? It's clear that more people could be saved if he were active all the time.

I'm sure even Superman needs a change of pace from time to time. He also needs time for relationships.

[Webhead2006]

yea from what i like to think is superman would like to have time to do other things and have a life besides doing the hero thing. Sure that is a main thing for him and he wants to be there for the world and help when he can. But it would be a boring life if thats all he had to do.

[El Payaso]

I'm sure even Superman needs a change of pace from time to time. He also needs time for relationships.

Oh, I'm positive. But then again I'm sure he knows that saving lives is for him a higher priority than having a normal life.

yea from what i like to think is superman would like to have time to do other things and have a life besides doing the hero thing. Sure that is a main thing for him and he wants to be there for the world and help when he can. But it would be a boring life if thats all he had to do.

Yeah, but I don't think "too boring" is a good enough excuse to not saving lives while he could; "No, I pass from saving as many lives as I could because I could get bored."

[NeoRanger]

^ You don't need it spelt out; the existence of Clark Kent and the double identity is the very answer to your question. Superman can't be Superman all day, he'd go crazy, quite literally. Best-case-scenario, he'd end up like Red Son Superman.

[El Payaso]

^ You don't need it spelt out; the existence of Clark Kent and the double identity is the very answer to your question. Superman can't be Superman all day, he'd go crazy, quite literally. Best-case-scenario, he'd end up like Red Son Superman.

Superman could sleep 8 hours a day and all (so he doesn't have to be Superman literally 24/7). But how could he go crazy if his mental and brain capacities exceed human ones?

I think he should have a solid reason to spend 8 hours a day having a job instead of saving lives.

[GreenKToo]

I can imagine a scene where a Doomsday, Metallo, Darkseid, ect shows up in downtown Metropolis spoiling for a fight.

Supermans first concern would be all the innocent bystanders. The villain would think no more of them than we do ants.

Superman would try of course to lead the Villain away but I doubt it would work.

I could see some loss of life in a situation like that. Does Superman save the family of four who are trapped in a building thats about to collapse, or the police officers who are about to get crushed by the villain.
Keep in mind Superman would be fighting the villain at the same time he is trying to save innocents.
If such a situation really happened, the loss of life would be considerable. So unless we want a ''kiddie'' film, i'd like to see something like this.

You could have lots of tension if its done correctly.

[NeoRanger]

Superman could sleep 8 hours a day and all (so he doesn't have to be Superman literally 24/7). But how could he go crazy if his mental and brain capacities exceed human ones?Because he needs to have a life. Even if he wasn't raised as a human, which already makes that a big deal in and on itself, he'd still need to be in touch with his own humanity. He's not a god, he can't spend all day patrolling the streets, he'll flip.

That aside, if he doesn't mingle, he'll lose sight of why he does what he does and even out of good intentions, he'll most likely end up a dictator of sorts. He already does the most he can; he takes time out of the day to patrol the streets, he has a 24/7 open channel in his freaking head to respond to calls for help and he has based his entire career around being employed in a major news center where he can stay on top of everything that happens worldwide. That's already going the extra mile, without losing everything that makes him human.

[Webhead2006]

i actually got a question, does superman really need to eat/sleep at all?

[NeoRanger]

^ It really depends on the writer. Realistically speaking, he probably needs to do both at a much lower frequency than other human beings. For all intends and purposes, his body is still very much structured like any other person's, which means he needs the cooldown and food to process.

These things are usually addressed in pretty much every version, though; I'd expect them to throw a line or two about it somewhere there.

[Webhead2006]

ok yea i thought it was something like that. Cause i have seen it mentioned in different media takes and all that.

[El Payaso]

Because he needs to have a life. Even if he wasn't raised as a human, which already makes that a big deal in and on itself, he'd still need to be in touch with his own humanity. He's not a god, he can't spend all day patrolling the streets, he'll flip.

That aside, if he doesn't mingle, he'll lose sight of why he does what he does and even out of good intentions, he'll most likely end up a dictator of sorts. He already does the most he can; he takes time out of the day to patrol the streets, he has a 24/7 open channel in his freaking head to respond to calls for help and he has based his entire career around being employed in a major news center where he can stay on top of everything that happens worldwide. That's already going the extra mile, without losing everything that makes him human.


This is the point where we copuld argue bnased on fiction. Does Superman need to sleep, eat, etc? Does he need a regular job (even when he can't have a regular life)?

But at least you addressed the subject and that's my ultimate point. To address it and not show it as a given. :up:

[wattabrownsound]

if doomsday makes it into a superman trilogy, i think they need to address that he wasn't the first, second or even the third villain to come along to finally kill superman. they should address that many other villains have tried to kill superman before doomsday actually does kill him.

[wattabrownsound]

i'd like them to address how Metropolis deals with supervillains and not just see superman deal with it all by himself. if they don't have the SCU in the movies, then have Lex have his own team to show he can deal with the problem as effectively as superman. if not that, then in the very least show the Metropolis cops out shooting at the bad guy.

[Webhead2006]

yea that would be neat like say if the film is indeed origin with a free new superman on the scene if by the end of the film metropolis makes a special crime unit to help with super powered badguys and all that. This would be a good way i think to get sawyer and turpin in the picture. Maybe we can have it at start of the movie superman saves there lives from a shootout or something and they see what good he is. So they are the ones to go to the mayor or what not with the idea and then they become the leaders of the group.

[3atman]

I don't have a problem with the general public not knowing he's superman, but Lois should. She gets face to face with both of them, he's kinda distant to most people anyways.

I understand that it's one thing to say "it's a sci fi movie so deal with it" but it's an entirely other thing to throw logic out the window. Like say some one can fly around the entire world in half a second but he can't fly 5 miles to save the woman he loves.... You have to stay within the realm of your film, you can't just say "it's sci fi, deal with it."

The Kryptonian thing really bugs me. They are an enormous amount of miles away and somehow look exactly like us. Maybe have us, in fact, both be humans but they are more evolved and maybe primitive Kryptonians are what we are. Especially if you want Superman to be attracted to Lois. To me that was always kinda sick, sort of like a human man falling in love with a female monkey. Yea, similar, but not the same.

[Webhead2006]

well they dont need to have lois learn to soon though for a new origin film/new series. we should really get to see the whole lois/clark/superman dynamic get played out and all that. and i dont see any issues with kryptonians looking like humans its a pretty common thing in scifi to have aliens that look like humans but have certain differences or have a humanoid look to them.

[3atman]

K, but that still doesn't explain why Kal-El (an alien) falls in love with a human. Think about it, what if the Aliens in the movie Alien fell in love with Sigourney Weaver? It's pretty messed up but that's basically what's happening regardless of how "humanlike" he is, he's NOT human.

My proposal is that an ancient tribe of Kryptonians were exploring the universe and stayed on earth. Earth, with it's easy climate, didn't force them to evolve as quick as the Kryptonians that went to Krypton. Or, you could say that maybe it was something like Australia where they sent criminals to earth to live in a "primitive culture" and they evolved into us.

I just really don't like the idea of a human being with an alien. I know, "ITS TEH SCIENCE FIKTION!!!!!!ZOMG!!!!!" but still, retain logic.

[RachelDawes]

The Kryptonian thing really bugs me. They are an enormous amount of miles away and somehow look exactly like us. Maybe have us, in fact, both be humans but they are more evolved and maybe primitive Kryptonians are what we are. Especially if you want Superman to be attracted to Lois. To me that was always kinda sick, sort of like a human man falling in love with a female monkey. Yea, similar, but not the same.

I don't see why it would be disgusting. Sure, Superman's an alien but he looks just like an ordinary human. He's much closer to us than a monkey would be to a person.

[3atman]

yea, because we're indestructible, able to fly, see through stuff, etc. As opposed to monkeys who r less intelligent more hairy versons of us.

[Webhead2006]

yea there is nothing wrong there plus he looks and acts like a human cause he was rised as a human so we he develop human emitions and all that.

Also like i pointed on in comics and scifi/fantasy things they always have aliens or creatures falling in love with humans and nothing is wrong with that. Plus in most comics/scifi things they have aliens who are human looking/humaniod and all that. So if they say biologically things are simular there is no reason why things cant happen between humans/aliens.

[3atman]

I don't know, probably just me but it's something that's fundamentally wrong to me that can easily be cured by saying that we're just a less evolved version of kryptonians and that living on krypton caused his body and mind to evolve faster since we live on a planet with such an easy going climate.

[Steve Holt]

maybe humans are a offshoot of the species that kryptonians eventually became, we ended up here thousands of years ago. Maybe we evolved to be weaker over time to adapt better on a basically cardboard planet.

something like that etc etc

[Ace of Knaves]

Superman acts like a better human being than pretty much all real human beings.

[El Payaso]

Superman acts like a better human being than pretty much all real human beings.

Being handsome, muscular, superpowered? Big deal. :woot:

[Ace of Knaves]

:funny: I mean his personality though. He is the best that humans can be. And we rarely meet that potential, if ever.

[Mr. Earle]

Superman acts like a better human being than pretty much all real human beings.:funny: I mean his personality though. He is the best that humans can be. And we rarely meet that potential, if ever.Ditto. Being handsome, muscular, superpowered? Big deal. :woot:
Its something often pointed out in the comics. That even though Clark is an alien he is more human than all of us. Even Batman has admitted that.

[Daybreak_st]

See this is a problem i have. What does it mean to be a Kryptonian? Really? they look the same as humans, on there planet though conditions were different they lived essentially like humans did, just in a more advanced way. It's only under a yellow sun that they somehow get supercharged and we don't. I'd compare them to a different culture on earth. But that's pretty much it. It's like a person grows up in china or india or some other location that has a vastly different culture than the western world. Does that mean that he or she wouldn't find a person of a different culture interesting and fall in love with them? No it happens all the time. Now take that same person, remove them from their natural culture, have them grow up in the west (for example) now what do you have. Essentially they'd be no different from anyone else born in the west. Maybe during their teenage or young adulthood they learn about the culture they're originally from. Would that totally change them? I doubt it. It might enrich their view on the world but wouldn't stop being who they were raised as just because they've learned more about the culture they came from. Sure they'd probably adobt some of their native cultures ways but it wouldn't change them.

I think all of this applies to superman. Kryptonians are just humans with a different culture (not literally but you know what i mean). He grew up as a normal human. He sees himself like a normal human. Learning about his origin and heritage wouldn't change that. He would grow up liking girls so i don't see anything odd about him being attracted to lois. It just makes sense.

[RachelDawes]

yea, because we're indestructible, able to fly, see through stuff, etc. As opposed to monkeys who r less intelligent more hairy versons of us.

I said he looks like a human. He obviously has powers that we don't, but he still resembles us, shares our feelings, all those things. Certainly Superman is closer to us than monkeys.

[Ace of Knaves]

No, no, no. Superman is more human than us. That's what it is, that's why he is DC's greatest hero.

[3atman]

Superman isn't MORE human than us, he's too perfect. "Too err is human" SUPERMAN HAS NO ERRORS. lol he might be more perfect than all of us can be as a human, but he sure as hell isn't more human than us. Maybe more humane, which is different. Maybe I'm just not a big enough Superman fan to have that opinion.

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not a big Supes fan either to be honest. In fact, I hate him for the very reason him being too perfect. Well hate is too strong a word.

I prefer my heroes to have faults. In fact, I just prefer anti heroes. Psychotic ones at that, as you could probably tell :D

But with Supes it's like he has all the best qualities of humanity, and not the bad qualities. That's how I'd summerize him.

[RachelDawes]

Superman isn't MORE human than us, he's too perfect. "Too err is human" SUPERMAN HAS NO ERRORS. lol he might be more perfect than all of us can be as a human, but he sure as hell isn't more human than us. Maybe more humane, which is different. Maybe I'm just not a big enough Superman fan to have that opinion.

I wouldn't mind seeing Superman make a mistake. It's just that at his core he needs to be a nice guy.

[Sam]

I'm not a big Supes fan either to be honest. In fact, I hate him for the very reason him being too perfect. Well hate is too strong a word.

I prefer my heroes to have faults. In fact, I just prefer anti heroes. Psychotic ones at that, as you could probably tell :D

But with Supes it's like he has all the best qualities of humanity, and not the bad qualities. That's how I'd summerize him.

But if heroes actually exist in real world, i bet u would prefer to get help from Superman than some crazy psychotic anti hero.

[Sam]

Superman isn't MORE human than us, he's too perfect. "Too err is human" SUPERMAN HAS NO ERRORS. lol he might be more perfect than all of us can be as a human, but he sure as hell isn't more human than us. Maybe more humane, which is different. Maybe I'm just not a big enough Superman fan to have that opinion.

Thats the biggest fallacy told about the Superman. And mostly said by ppl who actually doesnt know the character and/or doesnt read his stories.

[3atman]

How is what i said a fallacy? He flies, he's super strong, he's handsome, muscular, has perfect or nearly perfect morals, and intelligent.

So basically, he's not human because humans always have flaws, MAJOR flaws. If I'm wrong, tell me one of Superman's major flaws. He is not more human than we are, humans have flaws, he's what a perfect human would be, he's closer to Jesus or some other god than he is to a human.

[RachelDawes]

I don't think Superman's "flawlessness" (I don't read the comics so I don't know of he's actually perfect all the time) has anything to do with biology. I always assumed it was due more to his upbringing. He's basically just a really nice guy, which doesn't make him inhuman in any way.

[GreenKToo]

Read Red Son. That's a good example of what would/could happen if superman had landed somewhere else other than Kansas.
Personally, I don't think him being Kryptonarian has anymore to do with how he behaves or how he treats mankind than his upbringing in Kansas.

[wattabrownsound]

if its an established superman movie here are some things i think should be addressed right away for the general audience.

-is it a sequel to superman returns? which would also make people wonder, is superman's kid in this movie?
-how far into superman's career does this take place?

is there anything else that should be addressed soon as possible so people won't be confused?

[Webhead2006]

def what ever type of film it is we need to know right off the bat/during production-first promotions for the film that this is not donner/singer's superman and its an all new and different take.

[wattabrownsound]

when does clark know he's gotten his last power?

[Webhead2006]

good question there.