Favorite Single/Multiplayer Game of All Time [Archive]

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 04:16 AM

Like the title says. What is your favorite single player game of all time? And what is you favorite multiplayer game of all time?

My favorite single player of all time is without a doubt Mass Effect.

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I've played through it 4 times and going through on my 5th right now. Every single time I play it, it feels totally different and I see things I had never seen before. Not to mention they have DLC for it. Best graphics, best voice acting, best music, best story, and best atmosphere I've ever seen in a game. Combat could be improved on, but it still is better than most. Can't wait for 2 coming out soon.

Runner ups would be Doom, Doom 2, Halo 1, and Conker's Bad Fur Day.

Spider-Man Web of Shadows as an honorable mention. That's right! You guys know who you are! I loved the game! So now what!?

My favorite multiplayer is a little harder, but I think I'm going with Gears of War 2 followed closely by Rainbow Six Vegas 2.

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And if we're talking off line then Halo 1 all the way.

Ace of Knaves

10-12-2009, 04:29 AM

Mass Effect or Bioshock for best single player. They were truly innovative gaming experiences.

Call of Duty 4 for best multiplayer, hands down.

Why Are You Crouching Spock?

10-12-2009, 07:57 AM

Mass Effect or Bioshock for best single player. They were truly innovative gaming experiences.

In what way?

Ace of Knaves

10-12-2009, 08:09 AM

Well Mass Effect let's you travel to different galaxies and star systemsin your own time, surveying and landing on new worlds and what not.

The whole speech dynamic where you can pick responses and the way they were used in a real cinematic way.

The way you can command your team to attack. Order one of them to lift an enemy out from behind cover, then blast them. Or order a teammate to sabotage an enemy Geth's shields so they are easier to pick off.

Never played a console game like that before.

And Bioshock made FPS interesting again. The way you can upgrade your body with the plasmids.

For instance you could set someone on fire. They run into a pool to douse the flames. Then you electrocute the water. That's just amazing. The way you interact with the world you're in and the choices you make. Like hack the security bots and have them fight on your side, or simply destroy them.

It was a linear game, but it just gives you many different ways to progress along that linear path.

Why Are You Crouching Spock?

10-12-2009, 08:30 AM

None of those are innovative.
On topic, Halflife/Baldur's Gate and Battlefield: Vietnam.

Ace of Knaves

10-12-2009, 08:32 AM

How are they not? Innovative basically means bringing something new yes?

How are those things I mentioned not new or unique for console gaming?

Why Are You Crouching Spock?

10-12-2009, 08:41 AM

I mentioned not new or unique for console gaming?

It's not new to "gaming" many of the features are more than a decade old.

Well Mass Effect let's you travel to different galaxies and star systemsin your own time, surveying and landing on new worlds and what not..

It's basically quick travel to get you to another area within the games universe.
I believe KOTOR had this as did Baldur's Gate and a few others.

The whole speech dynamic where you can pick responses and the way they were used in a real cinematic way.

Fahrenheit.

The way you can command your team to attack. Order one of them to lift an enemy out from behind cover, then blast them. Or order a teammate to sabotage an enemy Geth's shields so they are easier to pick off.

Ghost Recon/Rainbow 6.
It's also party management like KOTOR and baldurs gate.

And Bioshock made FPS interesting again. The way you can upgrade your body with the plasmids.

Dues Ex/System Shock 2

The way you interact with the world you're in and the choices you make. Like hack the security bots and have them fight on your side, or simply destroy them.

Dues Ex.

It was a linear game, but it just gives you many different ways to progress along that linear path.

System shock 2, Dues Ex.

Ace of Knaves

10-12-2009, 08:48 AM

I'm talking about console games.

Have you played MAss Effect? It's not just quick travel. You fly to different systems and survey each different planet and so on. Some you can land on and investigate whilst others have natural gases or minerals that can be refined or whatever. It's completely different than KOTOR

And I don't remember in Ghost Recon being able to order a team mate to levitate an enemy out of cover? Or scramble an enemies energy shield?

I know the whole team orders thing isn't new or innovative. But what Mass Effect allowed you to do was new for a action role player like that. KOTOR was turn based combat, so I look at them as two different things.

Why Are You Crouching Spock?

10-12-2009, 08:55 AM

I'm talking about console games.

The only game listed there that I am aware of is not on a console is System Shock 2.

Have you played MAss Effect?

Yup.

Have you played MAss Effect? It's not just quick travel.

It sure is, it's an illusion.

And I don't remember in Ghost Recon being able to order a team mate to levitate an enemy out of cover? Or scramble an enemies energy shield?.

Your talking about setting not mechanics.

I know the whole team orders thing isn't new or innovative.

Correct.

King K

10-12-2009, 08:56 AM

SP campaign is a tie between Batman: AA and Uncharted 1.

MP is also a tie for me with COD4 and Warhawk. COD4 is just amazing and Warhawk is still the most fun I've ever had in MP with the dogfighting.

SuperFerret

10-12-2009, 08:57 AM

Single player - Tetris

Multiplayer - toss up between Rock Band or the Super Smash Bros. series

Ace of Knaves

10-12-2009, 09:00 AM

SuperFerret

10-12-2009, 09:06 AM

Tetris was innovative. :o

Bruce Banner

10-12-2009, 09:25 AM

Favorite single player game. (also my favorite series)

My extreme inner fanboy made me go out and buy similar clothes to him. I highly doubt people would recognize who I was on Halloween sadly.

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Max Payne

My favorite Multiplayer game would probably be COD4

ProjectPat2280

10-12-2009, 10:45 AM

Look no matter what you say Kez, the ability to traverse different galaxies and land on or survery different planets at your own leisure IS innovative. Why are you arguing about this?

It is NOTHING like KOTOR in that respect. The citidel quick transport is, but not the galaxy map thing.

Just ignore him. He's one of those stuck up PC gamers who is pissed off at the world because PC gaming has been completely overshadowed by the inferior console.

Fav SP game, Hitman: Blood Money

Fav MP game, CoD 4: Modern Warfare

YoungE808

10-12-2009, 11:13 AM

Chrono Cross, yeah I said it.

Oscorp

10-12-2009, 11:17 AM

Spider-Man Web of Shadows as an honorable mention. That's right! You guys know who you are! I loved the game! So now what!?

Hahaha, somehow I knew something like this was coming :P

My favourite singleplayer experience is from both God Of War and God Of War II. My favourite multiplayer game is Tekken 5 (hopefully Tekken 6 in a not too distant future ;) )

Why Are You Crouching Spock?

10-12-2009, 11:21 AM

Just ignore him. He's one of those stuck up PC gamers

While it's understandable you probably can't actually dispute the points, personal attacks aren't an obligatory substitute.

Hurm...

10-12-2009, 11:37 AM

Favorite Multiplayer is definitely Cod 4.

Soapy

10-12-2009, 11:44 AM

I agree with kez. Just because something is new to you doesn't mean it's new to the rest of us as well.

Single Player - The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind
Offline Multiplayer - Super Smash Bros. / Melee
Online Multiplayer - Medal of Honor: Allied Assault
Co-op - Phantasy Star Online

Fading

10-12-2009, 12:52 PM

Single Player - Uncharted/MGS4. It's going to be hard for a game to top my first play thru of MGS4 (tho I have a strong feeling Uncharted 2 will). However after I finished the story, while the game still had emotional impact, it wasn't as strong as the first play thru. Meanwhile Uncharted 1 is just as fun 5 or so play thru's later as it was the first. So a tie. Honorable mentions to LOZ Ocarina of time, Demon's Souls (yet to finish it, but am really enjoying this title), Xenogears, and Suikoden 2.

Multiplayer - Tough call. Probably old school Counterstrike. I've easily logged more hours on it than any other MP game. Tho currently I'm really digging Demon's Souls Multiplayer set up. Honorable mentions to Warhawk, Diablo 2, Starcraft, and the old 4-6 player X-Men aracade game.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 01:04 PM

None of those are innovative.
On topic, Halflife/Baldur's Gate and Battlefield: Vietnam.

Sure they are. We've never seen a game like Mass Effect. The way it tells it's story, the cinematic feel it gives you. The dynamic speech trees to the dynamic combat. The freedom it gives you. Name one other game, just one, that allows you to travel the entire galaxy and explore worlds. You can land on them and mine the elements, or just explore and uncover crazy side missions. And the side missions are so well scripted you think it was part of the main story. You might be able to think of a game where you can travel the galaxy, but none where you can land and uncover dozens and dozens of side stories that alone would put most games main stories to shame.

And Mass Effect is also well known as being the first game where your custom character doesn't have to look like crap.

Oh, and it also got a lot of attention for being the first game to have in game characters having realistic eye movement which I think is what makes the game look so real.

Why Are You Crouching Spock?

10-12-2009, 01:08 PM

The freedom it gives you. Name one other game, just one, that allows you to travel the entire galaxy and explore worlds

You aren't traveling the entire galaxy, you are traversing between maps, they done the same with Baldur's Gate.

Jick09

10-12-2009, 01:12 PM

Single Player - God of War
Multiplayer - That's tougher.....probably Marvel vs Capcom.

Fading

10-12-2009, 01:31 PM

Double Post.

Fading

10-12-2009, 01:32 PM

I agree with kez. Just because something is new to you doesn't mean it's new to the rest of us as well.

I haven't played Mass Effect so can't comment on that topic, but agree with this. Too many games are being called innovative anymore when they are really just refining what other games have done. Bioshock may have given us a good FPS experience mixed with choices, but Deus Ex did it a decade earlier, and System Shock did before that. I still enjoyed Bioshock tho, I just wouldn't say it was the first, it just refined what others had done before it (just using Bioshock as an example).

Swordmaster

10-12-2009, 01:51 PM

Single Player: Kingdom Hearts or Devil May Cry 3
Multiplayer: Super Smash Bros. Melee, Rock Band, or Halo 3.

Soapy

10-12-2009, 04:27 PM

Sure they are. We've never seen a game like Mass Effect. The way it tells it's story, the cinematic feel it gives you. The dynamic speech trees to the dynamic combat. The freedom it gives you. Name one other game, just one, that allows you to travel the entire galaxy and explore worlds. You can land on them and mine the elements, or just explore and uncover crazy side missions. And the side missions are so well scripted you think it was part of the main story. You might be able to think of a game where you can travel the galaxy, but none where you can land and uncover dozens and dozens of side stories that alone would put most games main stories to shame.

And Mass Effect is also well known as being the first game where your custom character doesn't have to look like crap.

Oh, and it also got a lot of attention for being the first game to have in game characters having realistic eye movement which I think is what makes the game look so real.

Yes, you're landing on planets, but as kez said you aren't really travelling anywhere. You're selecting a point on a map and then you explore that point. You're not traversing any sort of "physical" space.

I haven't played Mass Effect so can't comment on that topic, but agree with this. Too many games are being called innovative anymore when they are really just refining what other games have done. Bioshock may have given us a good FPS experience mixed with choices, but Deus Ex did it a decade earlier, and System Shock did before that. I still enjoyed Bioshock tho, I just wouldn't say it was the first, it just refined what others had done before it (just using Bioshock as an example).

I agree. For the record, I liked Bioshock. But people were treating it as revolutionary when, as you said, Deus Ex did the same thing earlier and arguably better. It might be alright for gamers to think such a game is innovative when they're ignorant of what has come before, but it really bothers me when the games press treat these games in the same manner when they know better. Just something that bugs me.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 04:37 PM

You aren't traveling the entire galaxy, you are traversing between maps, they done the same with Baldur's Gate.

I don't mean to be mean, but you're crazy. Baldur's Gate and Mass Effect are nothing alike. I mean seriously, I can't tell if you're kidding or not.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 04:43 PM

I haven't played Mass Effect so can't comment on that topic, but agree with this. Too many games are being called innovative anymore when they are really just refining what other games have done. Bioshock may have given us a good FPS experience mixed with choices, but Deus Ex did it a decade earlier, and System Shock did before that. I still enjoyed Bioshock tho, I just wouldn't say it was the first, it just refined what others had done before it (just using Bioshock as an example).

But you can oversimplify any game and see that it just refined something that came before it. GTA didn't create the free-roam game, Body Harvest came before it. And before that you had games like Zelda that let you travel anywhere just from an over head view. They all refined on it. Wolfenstein wasn't the first FPS it just did it the best and got the most attention. Maze War was the first FPS shooter ever. But guess what? All it did was refine the idea of going through a maze in 3D. It's those "refining" moments, when done well, that make a game innovative. Otherwise, nothing really should be considered innovative.

Tron Bonne

10-12-2009, 05:20 PM

Single Player: MGS series

Multiplayer: Street Fighter III

Spider-Vader

10-12-2009, 05:36 PM

Single Player- Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2/ Call of Duty 4
Multiplayer- Halo 3

I have sadly not played as many Single player games as Multi-player. I might do a re-cap this Christmas (Bioshock, Mass Effect, Fallout 3).

SuperFerret

10-12-2009, 05:57 PM

I'd just like to say that I've never found anything enjoyable in many of the games that've been posted. Halo is just blah, God of War is so much of a forced attempt to be "badass" that it's lame, and Mass Effect is probably the most pretentious game I've ever tried playing.

That's just me of course, but I've been holding back for a bit and needed to vent.

Isildur´s Heir

10-12-2009, 06:00 PM

Single Player - Tons...but, to simplify, anything from Bioware, Blizzard, Valve and Epic
Multiplayer - Halo 3

And just to throw another one

Series - Half-Life, Gears of War, God of War and Halo

Lucien

10-12-2009, 06:24 PM

Best multiplayer ever has to be Mario Kart 64. I had some great times with that game.

Singleplayer is harder for me to choose. I think i'll be boring and say Final Fantasy VII.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 06:34 PM

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 06:36 PM

Oh something else that sets Mass Effect apart from the others is the fact that even though the graphics are maybe the best ever, all the NPC's look totally different and actually have very distinct personalities.

SuperFerret

10-12-2009, 06:41 PM

I don't think it was as much pretentious as much as smart, well written, and politically savvy.

Metal Gear games. Now that's pretentious.

Nope. It's very pretentious, but then I don't play video games for "political savvy". I play them for fun, and Mass Effect is not.

Why Are You Crouching Spock?

10-12-2009, 06:45 PM

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 06:52 PM

Nope. It's very pretentious, but then I don't play video games for "political savvy". I play them for fun, and Mass Effect is not.

It was often slow, I'll give you that. As you can see I love Gears 2 and going from Gears to Mass Effect is very jarring. You really need to be in a mood for that kind of game. It's very plot/character/theme driven. Watch this and tell me Mass Effect isn't all that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy-eRfupYbA

And to be honest, I think he left out some of the better ones. One of my favorite was

Turian Council member- "You humans have a saying. Even a broken clock is right twice a day."

Shepard- "Yeah. Here's another one: GO TO HELL!"

SuperFerret

10-12-2009, 06:55 PM

I still say it's a pretentious game. It's also a shining example of the type of game that's driving me away from video games. I'd say I'm outgrowing them, but it's not as cut and dry as that.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 06:55 PM

Definably has some of the best models but I think quite a few games trump it.

What really blows me away about the models is the eye movement. It's very realistic. I just made another character that looks just like my wife. It is practically photo-realisitic! I love it.

But seriously you've seen better? I'm not being argumentive, I'd really like to see what game you're talking about. Because Mass Effect blows me away I'd love to see something better.

Rukus

10-12-2009, 07:00 PM

Single/ Resident Evil: Original and Remake

Multiplayer/ Rainbow Six Vegas 2

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 07:02 PM

I still say it's a pretentious game. It's also a shining example of the type of game that's driving me away from video games. I'd say I'm outgrowing them, but it's not as cut and dry as that.

Man. You must really hate that game. I hate Metal Gear Solid like crazy. The giant robots. The anime inspired everything, and the corny dialogue. The fact it thinks it's a much smarter game that it really is. The INSANELY long cut scenes, the hero having a mullet, the boring gameplay, the cluncky controls, and the way all the characters act WAY overzealous. It drives me crazy. But that isn't going to make me stop playing the games I love.

That's like watching Batman and Robin and swearing off all movies.

Tron Bonne

10-12-2009, 07:07 PM

You guys must not have much self-esteem if you think objects without a mind or consciousness is somehow looking down on you or looming itself over you

SuperFerret

10-12-2009, 07:08 PM

It's more about all the things you're touting it as great for that irk me. The photorealistic graphics, the near limitless immersion into the game world, the overly complex story, all just... ugh. Call me old school, but I prefer my games to be simpler and easier to get into.

A brick road against a blue sky backdrop and a mushroom walking sideways towards me is all the exposition I need.

And yeah, I might have a bit of a personal beef with the game, since my roommate's obsession with it's style nearly ruined my Dungeons and Dragons game, but that still doesn't change the fact that I think it's pretentious and the exact type of video game that I dislike.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 07:10 PM

You guys most not have much self-esteem if you think objects without a mind or consciousness is somehow looking down on you or looming itself over you

What? What the screaming crap are you talking about?

Tron Bonne

10-12-2009, 07:14 PM

What? What the screaming crap are you talking about?

I still say it's a pretentious game. It's also a shining example of the type of game that's driving me away from video games. I'd say I'm outgrowing them, but it's not as cut and dry as that.

Nope. It's very pretentious, but then I don't play video games for "political savvy". I play them for fun, and Mass Effect is not.

I don't think it was as much pretentious as much as smart, well written, and politically savvy.

Metal Gear games. Now that's pretentious.

I'd just like to say that I've never found anything enjoyable in many of the games that've been posted. Halo is just blah, God of War is so much of a forced attempt to be "badass" that it's lame, and Mass Effect is probably the most pretentious game I've ever tried playing.

That's just me of course, but I've been holding back for a bit and needed to vent.

Kind of hard for something without a mind or knowledge of being to be that

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 07:15 PM

SuperFerret

10-12-2009, 07:20 PM

Kind of hard for something without a mind or knowledge of being to be that

It's more the people who make the game that make it feel like that.

Also, see below, responses like that are full of pretense (especially the bold part), because clearly, since I enjoy games that are simpler than I myself must be simple as well.

:huh:

I guess. Seeing as how a blue sky and mushroom are enough exposition for you now (that was enough for me too when I was a kid) then I can see why'd you'd hate Mass Effect.

The D&D thing was the whole "well, I want to talk to everybody and negotiate" attitude, when he knew that I wasn't running that type of game, but I've made peace with that.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 07:21 PM

Kind of hard for something without a mind or knowledge of being to be that

You do know that these games have themes and people that made them that are pushing these themes and ideas? Like movies or any other form of entertainment. Stop trying to pick a fight.

Tron Bonne

10-12-2009, 07:26 PM

You do know that these games have themes and people that made them that are pushing these themes and ideas? Like movies or any other form of entertainment. Stop trying to pick a fight.

Of all the people on this board to say such a thing:whatever:

Then the people who write these stories are pretentious, which is impossible for you to say since you know none of these people or have interviews to back up your claims. It's impossible for a video game case, disc, cutscene to look down or demand more than possible of you when there's no mind or being to do so. The only way to make the claim is if the game or character within starts belittling you, even then, it's pretty debatable since there's no mind or consciousness

It's more the people who make the game that make it feel like that.

Also, see below, responses like that are full of pretense (especially the bold part), because clearly, since I enjoy games that are simpler than I myself must be simple as well.

Fair enough. Just to clarify I wasn't looking down on you or anything, I was just correcting a misuse of the term. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine.:O

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 07:29 PM

Also, see below, responses like that are full of pretense (especially the bold part), because clearly, since I enjoy games that are simpler than I myself must be simple as well.

Oh come on. I was simply saying I used to like those games too. If you're saying I was impling you are simple for liking them then I can easily flip that and say you must be impling that I'm pretentious for liking Mass Effect. It goes both ways. You're putting words in my mouth.

Why Are You Crouching Spock?

10-12-2009, 07:38 PM

But seriously you've seen better? I'm not being argumentive, I'd really like to see what game you're talking about. Because Mass Effect blows me away I'd love to see something better.

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This is more speculation than first hand based on promo shots but I also think Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, GT5, Killzone 2 look better.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 07:48 PM

Of all the people on this board to say such a thing:whatever:

Then the people who write these stories are pretentious, which is impossible for you to say since you know none of these people or have interviews to back up your claims. It's impossible for a video game case, disc, cutscene to look down or demand more than possible of you when there's no mind or being to do so. The only way to make the claim is if the game or character within starts belittling you, even then, it's pretty debatable since there's no mind or consciousness

We don't have interviews? Seriously? Have you ever been on the internet before? MGS makers are always going on about the political relevance of their games. Not to mention the fact half the game is one giant cut scene. And as you watch a cutscene all you can do is sit there passively watch whatever message they're sending which we know they think is some kind of important political statement.

Mass Effect is different in that you aren't just a passive viewer of the game developers views. You can make your own choices within the world given to you. So to say that we can't say a game is pretensious, means you can't say a game is intelligent or low brow, people are. We on the other hand can because we understand that it is perfectly exceptable to use adjectives to describe a body of work. The body of work reflect those who have created it and their themes they're pushing.

Fair enough. Just to clarify I wasn't looking down on you or anything, I was just correcting a misuse of the term. It's kind of a pet peeve of mine.It may be a pet peeve of your's but it's gramatically sound. adjectives are used all the time to describe a body of work. It is in no way a misuse of the term. And the irony is the fact you think you had to some how set us straight even though we aren't breaking any gramatic rules makes you come off as being kind of pretentious.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pretentious

1 : characterized by pretension: as a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing

But seriously, can we get back on topic? Everytime I see you in a thread it's to pick a fight and throw everyone off topic.

Addendum

10-12-2009, 07:57 PM

Single player: Deus Ex

I don't bother with multiplayer.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 07:58 PM

Sure, I take lots of screenshots.

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Runs on the unreal engine also.

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This is more speculation than first hand based on promo shots but I also think Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, GT5, Killzone 2 look better.Can you list the games those are from? Some look amazing, some look meh. Like Batman. Batman was a great game, had good graphics. But better than Mass Effect? Not so much. The first few pics of just the environments look amazing. I'd love to see a NPC. What game is that from?

And I think some of them are Crysis right? They look great, but I wouldn't say better than Mass Effect. I'd be willing to say people have made better environments but I have yet to see better faces and character models.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 08:00 PM

Here. Like this one. The environments look amazing but the character model for that guy look terrible.

http://i40.tinypic.com/5p0uir.jpg

or this
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or this
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But don't get me wrong the environments look amazing. I'd say better then Mass Effects. But the faces, the character models in Mass Effects still look better I think.

What game are those screen shots taken from of the brick wall and such? That looks amazing. I'd love to see more of that game.

Tron Bonne

10-12-2009, 08:00 PM

We don't have interviews? Seriously? Have you ever been on the internet before? MGS makers are always going on about the political relevance of their games.

I said you didn't have an interviews to back up your claims. Did you post some earlier that I missed? No, you did not. I love that your condescending nonsense always backfires

Not to mention the fact half the game is one giant cut scene. And as you watch a cutscene all you can do is sit there passively watch whatever message they're sending which we know they think is some kind of important political statement.

Mass Effect is different in that you aren't just a passive viewer of the game developers views. You can make your own choices within the world given to you. So to say that we can't say a game is pretensious, means you can't say a game is intelligent or low brow, people are. We on the other hand can because we understand that it is perfectly exceptable to use adjectives to describe a body of work. The body of work reflect those who have created it and their themes they're pushing.Do you even realize what you're saying here:facepalm:

1 : characterized by pretension: as a : making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing)Care to explain how a non-conscious being can do this with itself?

But seriously, can we get back on topic? Everytime I see you in a thread it's to pick a fight and throw everyone off topic.Then you must not see many topics. I guess whenever you're in a failing argument you need all the straws you can grasp to get out of it :whatever: I mean, seriously, if you want to 'stop' it's as easy as not replying

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 08:13 PM

Like this. Ick.

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DACMAN

10-12-2009, 08:27 PM

Then you must not see many topics. I guess whenever you're in a failing argument you need all the straws you can grasp to get out of it :whatever:

How am I in a failing arguement? People use adjectives all the time to describe a body of work. Adjectives are used to modify a noun or pronoun. And guess what? Pretentious is an adjective. We were using it just fine. The english language allows it. You are the one not showing us how we were using it incorrectly.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adjective

ad⋅jec⋅tive

–noun 1. Grammar. any member of a class of words that in many languages are distinguished in form, as partly in English by having comparative and superlative endings, or by functioning as modifiers of nouns, as good, wise, perfect.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pretentious
pre⋅ten⋅tious –adjective 1. full of pretense or pretension.
2. characterized by assumption of dignity or importance.
3. making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.

WOAH!!! Did you catch that? So again, you're wrong. We can use adjectives to describe something that isn't a person, it just has to be a noun. Pretentious is an adjective, and we're using it to describe a noun. It sucks to be condescending and have it blow up in your face right? Even more ironic that you are being kind of pretentious...

NOW BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE!!!!!

Tron Bonne

10-12-2009, 08:32 PM

How am I in a failing arguement? People use adjectives all the time to describe a body of work. Adjectives are used to modify a noun or pronoun. And guess what? Pretentious is an adjective. We were using it just fine. The english language allows it. You are the one not showing us how we were using it incorrectly.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adjective

ad⋅jec⋅tive

–noun 1. Grammar. any member of a class of words that in many languages are distinguished in form, as partly in English by having comparative and superlative endings, or by functioning as modifiers of nouns, as good, wise, perfect.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pretentious
pre⋅ten⋅tious –adjective 1. full of pretense or pretension.
2. characterized by assumption of dignity or importance.
3. making an exaggerated outward show; ostentatious.

WOAH!!! Did you catch that? So again, you're wrong. We can use adjectives to describe something that isn't a person, it just has to be a noun. Pretentious is an adjective, and we're using it to describe a noun. It sucks to be condescending and have it blow up in your face right?

WOAH!! Got it memorized? You totally avoided the question of how an unknowing entity can be any of those things bolded as well as my second comment and opted to go with technical aspects that we weren't arguing to begin with.

Why Are You Crouching Spock?

10-12-2009, 08:33 PM

And I think some of them are Crysis right? They look great, but I wouldn't say better than Mass Effect.

Well, it's subjective.
Technically Crysis obliterates any game, it's not really debatable.
Probably be the same with Crysis 2 on the consoles.

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or this
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Mass Effect is still sitting on the hardrive so I fired it up for a fair comparison than promo shots.
This is what the game looks like.

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William_C

10-12-2009, 08:37 PM

Single Player: Fallout 3
Multiplayer: Left 4 Dead/CoD 4

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 08:37 PM

Oh, and thanks for all the screen shots BTW. That's cool of you to do.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 08:38 PM

Oh, and thanks for all the screen shots BTW. That's cool of you to do.

Why Are You Crouching Spock?

10-12-2009, 08:39 PM

Like this. Ick.

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I thought Resident Evil 5 had fantastic models.
Some of the zombies look like crap but the main characters generally look great.

Soapy

10-12-2009, 08:40 PM

Instead of crying, "pretentious! pretentious!" could someone try and explain specifically what it is about Mass Effect that makes it so pretentious?

Soapy

10-12-2009, 08:40 PM

Double post.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 08:40 PM

Well, it's subjective.
Technically Crysis obliterates any game, it's not really debatable.
Probably be the same with Crysis 2 on the consoles.

Mass Effect is still sitting on the hardrive so I fired it up for a fair comparison than promo shots.
This is what the game looks like.

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http://i33.tinypic.com/2dj5slg.jpgHuh. Have you turned off the film grain and motion blur? But yeah. Those aren't very flattering shots.

Tron Bonne

10-12-2009, 08:44 PM

Instead of crying, "pretentious! pretentious!" could someone try and explain specifically what it is about Mass Effect that makes it so pretentious?

Ferret said he was referring more to the way people refer to him and others who dislike it as opposed to the actual definition, I believe. As well as the people behind it (as developers, I guess)

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 08:57 PM

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What the heck is up with this one? It's never looked that bad for me. What kind of monitor are you taking this from? I have a 1080p Toshiba and they don't look near that bad. They look more like this.

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/191/930279_20070711_screen002.jpg

http://www.endsights.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/MassEffect1.jpg

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Why Are You Crouching Spock?

10-12-2009, 09:03 PM

Mass effect is upscaled, not proper, the screenshots I posted are at a higher res than you play, your using an off screen photiograph of a television.

William_C

10-12-2009, 09:03 PM

Mass Effect always looked better than most games too me. Especially the first time I played it, I was really blown away at how good it looked.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 09:03 PM

Ferret said he was referring more to the way people refer to him and others who dislike it as opposed to the actual definition, I believe. As well as the people behind it (as developers, I guess)

Haven't read my rebuttal have you?

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 09:05 PM

Mass effect is upscaled, not proper, the screenshots I posted are at a higher res than you play, your using an off screen photiograph of a television.

Sounds like you know more about this stuff than I do. All I know is it never looked that bad for me. It looks like the shots I posted.

Tron Bonne

10-12-2009, 09:07 PM

Haven't read my rebuttal have you?

Which one? The last one towards me or the one towards Ferret? I replied to the last one to me. If you mean Ferret, yes I did, but Pan was asking explanation as to how ME was pretentious, and I gave him his viewpoint since I believe he's the only one to say anything about it. If you meant the latter I think you're reply was something to the effect that you can flip and say he's calling you pretentious.

I wasn't endorsing his view, just kind of repeating it

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 09:10 PM

WOAH!! Got it memorized? You totally avoided the question of how an unknowing entity can be any of those things bolded as well as my second comment and opted to go with technical aspects that we weren't arguing to begin with.

:o

I didn't see this post. My bad.

We so far in this I'm not even sure what I'm getting at anymore.

On a side note: Metal Gear Solid is one pretentious game don't you think?:oldrazz:

But seriously, I'll drop it. What did you say was your favorite games?

Tron Bonne

10-12-2009, 09:16 PM

:o

I didn't see this post. My bad.

We so far in this I'm not even sure what I'm getting at anymore.

On a side note: Metal Gear Solid is one pretentious game don't you think?:oldrazz:

Yep, just the way I think Toyotas are very bewildered cars:oldrazz:

But seriously, I'll drop it. What did you say was your favorite games?Single Player: MGS series

Multiplayer: Street Fighter III

:yay:

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 09:24 PM

That's funny.

DACMAN

10-12-2009, 09:27 PM

Yep, just the way I think Toyotas are very bewildered cars:oldrazz:

:yay:

So you don't think a movie or book could be described as intelligent? And again, the english language allows the use of it.

You see what you did!? :cmad:

Spidey 2007

10-12-2009, 09:53 PM

Damn guys. Seriously... lol.

I havn't played every game under the sun, including Mass Effect. ill give it a try very soon, I can grab it for 12 bucks somehere. I have played a crap load of games in my time though...

I cant even begin to pick my favorite single players. I have so many.

Batman Arkham Asylum is definatly probably the top right now Along with Batman and Robin(PS1) Becasue im a Die hard huge Batman fan. I havnt played MGS4 yet, just the first three and they were all great. Oblivion and Resident Evil 4 are also tops. Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy, Dead Rising, and x-men Origins Wolvie as well.

as far as Multiplayer goes id say Rainbow Six 3 raven shield(PC) in its prime, online. Best times Ive had playing multiplayer online, plus the game was amazing and I became really great at it. No rainbow six game has lived up to that ever since. (or any FPS for that matter) It took tactical skill and stealth and though. Im not into the Halos and run and gun BS.

Currently playing through Left 4 Dead, thats a great Co-op game right there!

Fading

10-12-2009, 10:33 PM

It's impossible for a video game case, disc, cutscene to look down or demand more than possible of you when there's no mind or being to do so.

I dunno....Earlier today I was looking thru my games, and SF4 was looking at me pretty judgementally. As if it were saying, "I thought you loved me? You never play me anymore, and the other day I caught you cheating on me with another multiplayer game." Right after that I had to go back to the psych ward tho because apparently carrying on conversations with inanimate objects isn't "sane".

Bruce Banner

10-13-2009, 05:12 AM

I was thinking about second favorite single player game behind Max Payne for me and I couldn't help but remember the nostalgia of Resident Evil 2.

DACMAN

10-13-2009, 09:08 AM

No "HULK Ultimate Destruction" from the guy named Banner?

Electro UK

10-13-2009, 11:09 AM

An easy pick for me.

Single Player - Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence.

Just a phenominal game. There are so many reasons I absolutely love that that I'm not going to list for the billionth time here.

Runners up: Fallout 1/2, Valkyria Chronicles, Super Metroid, Resident Evil, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, Blade Runner, Call of Duty 4... ah frick, just too many :(

Multiplayer - Marvel vs Capcom 2, Call of Duty 4, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Jedi power Battles, Goldeneye

DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE.

Addendum

10-13-2009, 11:37 AM

GTA didn't create the free-roam game, Body Harvest came before it.

And both were made by the same company: DMA Design

Bruce Banner

10-14-2009, 09:56 AM

No "HULK Ultimate Destruction" from the guy named Banner?

Shhh!!.... Don't tell anyone:cwink:

To be honest thou I didn't find that much interest with it.

Other games at the time were keeping me occupied

Fading

10-14-2009, 12:23 PM

After just beating Uncharted 2 I change my answer. Easily Uncharted 2 is my favorite game of all time. The graphics are the best on a console game IMO. The voice acting is amazing. The story compelling. The gameplay damn near perfect. Can't recommend this game highly enough.

Hell , the multiplayer side might end up becoming my favorite multiplayer game of all time if the beta was any indication.

Solidus

10-16-2009, 12:34 PM

In my 22 years of gaming there are too many to count, but I'll name a few, I know I'm forgetting some.

Single Player: The best of the two for me is:
-Metal Gear Solid (PSX)
-Half-Life (PC)

For sure there are tons of others:
-MGS 2/3/4 The Original Metal Gear (NES)
-StarCraft (PC)
-X-COM: UFO Defense (PC)
-Super Metroid (SNES)
-Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
-Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
I could go on for days about great single player games.

Multiplayer:
-Doom II
-Heretic
-Duke Nukem 3D
-Quake/Quake 2
-WarCraft/StarCraft
-Half-Life (deathmatch, TFC, CounterStrike)
-Diablo
-Mortal Kombat 2/Street Fighter 2

As usual there are so many others. I could go on and on. But that's just a off the top of my head list that is not including all.