The Official Stupid Question Thread: Marvel Edition

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought Clor was basically a robot that they grafted cloned skin from Thor onto.

[Vartha]

double post

[Drz]

Thanks for the answers guys. <3

[LouFerignoDemon]

He seems to be a clone with robots grafted into him. So same muscles and junk. Just different brain.

Also, we get to see him fight Thor pretty soon.

[TheCorpulent1]

Thor needs to kick his ass with great aplomb.

[moraldeficiency]

Clor's concept has a lot of similarities to beta ray bill, I could see that being a pretty good fight.

[Vartha]

I thought Clor was basically a robot that they grafted cloned skin from Thor onto.
MY understand was they used the same processes for Clor's skeleton and "brains" as Ultron and cloned the rest infusing both.
Since Ultron's "brains" were unstable to some extent so were Clor's.

[Vartha]

Clor's concept has a lot of similarities to beta ray bill, I could see that being a pretty good fight.
Yeah basically, but BRB is a Cyborg, Clor's not, he's ALL artifical. and unlike Vision or the original Human Torch Clor's part machine

[Vartha]

He seems to be a clone with robots grafted into him. So same muscles and junk. Just different brain.

Also, we get to see him fight Thor pretty soon.
lol can't wait for that either.

I'm sure Ragnarok will be a returning villian in Thor anyway.

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah basically, but BRB is a Cyborg, Clor's not, he's ALL artifical. and unlike Vision or the original Human Torch Clor's part machine

But a cyborg is part man part machine and that's what clor is. Just cause his living parts come from a clone doesn't mean they aren't living parts. Beta Ray Bill is an enhanced Korbinite with machine parts making him a cyborg. Clor is a partial clone of thor with machine parts making him a cyborg. When Bill first appeared he gave Thor a loss without Stormbreaker, so I'm just saying this might be a damn good fight for Thor. Especially since clor now seems to have some of thor's memory which would translate into fighting ability as well but more ruthless.

[Vartha]

But a cyborg is part man part machine and that's what clor is. Just cause his living parts come from a clone doesn't mean they aren't living parts. Beta Ray Bill is an enhanced Korbinite with machine parts making him a cyborg. Clor is a partial clone of thor with machine parts making him a cyborg. When Bill first appeared he gave Thor a loss without Stormbreaker, so I'm just saying this might be a damn good fight for Thor. Especially since clor now seems to have some of thor's memory which would translate into fighting ability as well but more ruthless.
Well technically both Bill's cyborg body and Clor are synthetic BILL has a soul and I'm not sure if his Brain was transfered or not into the body or if just his thought patterns were.
To me Clor is completely synthetic, they sampled Thor's genetic make up to make the skin and Muscle to with stand the electric shock of the hammer. Built Clor's skeleton, and programmed his brain. Bill's not programmed.
Bill's more Cyborg, Clor's a Clone/Android.

[uchiha_itachi]

Not to mention Clor/Ragnaok is made with basically the same process as Ultron, tho Clor/Ragnarok is more a Clone or Cyborg than robot.

Is Clor going by the name Ragnarok now? Lucky ive started catching up with Thors series....looks like it heating up.

[Vartha]

Yeah they announced the name Ragnarok back when they annouced he was going to break out of the holding tube after the Skrull invasion.
I'm pretty sure he said something to the effect like "Thor beware Ragnarok is coming for you" when he fought the heroes in Initiative # 21&22. they basically convinced Clor he was fake and that blew his mind and now he's trying to kill Thor to become Thor.

[uchiha_itachi]

Ah i got yah. I didnt even know he was still alive tbh.

[moraldeficiency]

Well technically both Bill's cyborg body and Clor are synthetic BILL has a soul and I'm not sure if his Brain was transfered or not into the body or if just his thought patterns were.
To me Clor is completely synthetic, they sampled Thor's genetic make up to make the skin and Muscle to with stand the electric shock of the hammer. Built Clor's skeleton, and programmed his brain. Bill's not programmed.
Bill's more Cyborg, Clor's a Clone/Android.

Dude, a cyborg is something part organic part mechanical that functions as a whole, look it up. Both are definitely cyborgs by the definition of what a cyborg is. A soul has nothing to do with what a cyborg is or isn't.

Clor was made yes, but look at bill. He was a standard korbinite that was transferred into the body of a race of carnivorous horse things then given mechanics to further enhance him and make him protector. He's completely synthetic as well. He could only transform into his original form when he got stormbreaker.

As far as the programming thing goes, clor broke his programming right out of the gate when first awakened that's why they shut him down. He's definitely had his own will and mindset.

But again, yeah he's a cyborg.

[Vartha]

Ah i got yah. I didnt even know he was still alive tbh.
Skrull Pym fixed Clor before he was killed and had Clor in the tube set on a timer of sorts. If Skrull Pym didn't return Clor was basically released from the tube and started. Skrull pym added something to Clor too if I'm not mistaken. I'll have to get the books out again and read them. lol

[Vartha]

Dude, a cyborg is something part organic part mechanical that functions as a whole, look it up. Both are definitely cyborgs by the definition of what a cyborg is. A soul has nothing to do with what a cyborg is or isn't.

Clor was made yes, but look at bill. He was a standard korbinite that was transferred into the body of a race of carnivorous horse things then given mechanics to further enhance him and make him protector. He's completely synthetic as well. He could only transform into his original form when he got stormbreaker.

As far as the programming thing goes, clor broke his programming right out of the gate when first awakened that's why they shut him down. He's definitely had his own will and mindset.

But again, yeah he's a cyborg.
EASY MD, I'm just saying Deathlok IMO is a TRUE Cyborg, where both BETA RAY BILL and Clor are built from scratch, Neither were actually BORN. Bill has a mortal form yes, but the body of BRB is all a shell built by the korbites not built ONTO Bill's real body. Clor, to ME is a robot with external living tissue more or less.

[moraldeficiency]

EASY MD, I'm just saying Deathlok IMO is a TRUE Cyborg, where both BETA RAY BILL and Clor are built from scratch, Neither were actually BORN. Bill has a mortal form yes, but the body of BRB is all a shell built by the korbites not built ONTO Bill's real body. Clor, to ME is a robot with external living tissue more or less.

I am being easy, but come on. Birth has nothing to do with it, or more to the point you could say everyone was created. Deathlok had parents that made him from two of their cells then he got some mechanic parts and now he's a cyborg. Bill and Clor had parents that also created them in a somewhat similar situation taking cells raising them then infusing mechanic parts. A test tube baby is still a baby despite how the process took place and living tissue is still living tissue despite how it came to be. Bill's consciousness was transferred into a cyborg body built of electronics and biologics of that horse carnivore race so Bill was a cyborg when that happened and was a cyborg when he defeated thor. Clor was created by taking cloned organic tissue and infusing it with mechanics. They all fit the exact definition of a cyborg and so they're all cyborgs. Now you can say they're different types of cyborgs certainly but they all fall under the same basic banner.

[Vartha]

OK THAT I can agree with. I also seem to remember reading somewhere where the S.H.E.I.L.D. L.M.D. technology was used in Clor as well to some extent, not sure if that was back in C.W. or where.

[Panthro]

So, anyone know any good trade paperbacks for Dr. Strange and/or the Silver Surfer?

[Anubis]

Dr. Strange the Oath and Silver Surfer: Requiem. (That ones outta continuity though)

[uchiha_itachi]

Skrull Pym fixed Clor before he was killed and had Clor in the tube set on a timer of sorts. If Skrull Pym didn't return Clor was basically released from the tube and started. Skrull pym added something to Clor too if I'm not mistaken. I'll have to get the books out again and read them. lol

Which book would that be... lol :awesome: ( im buying like everything lol)

[Panthro]

Dr. Strange the Oath and Silver Surfer: Requiem. (That ones outta continuity though)
Thank you.

[Anubis]

You're welcome, and You're welcome again for when you come back and thank me for recommending those awesome reads.

[Vartha]

Which book would that be... lol :awesome: ( im buying like everything lol)
Well the Clor issues in Avengers Initiative are 21 and 22, I'm not sure of all the comics and issues Clors been in tho. I know the first Civil war #3 last page and the issue he kills Foster is CW #4. I don't have the issue where Herc plows Clor's hammer through Clor's face. lol but that's where Clor was put out of action.

[Vartha]

Dr. Strange the Oath and Silver Surfer: Requiem. (That ones outta continuity though)

Need to pick up Requiem still, Thor's getting most my extra cash these days.

[WolfCypher]

Is Daken's skeleton completely bonded with the Murasame (Masamune?) blade's metal or just his claws?

[Manic]

For that matter, if his claws are bonded with the old anti-healing sword, doesn't that mean he should have gaping, bleeding wounds in his hands at all times?

[TheCorpulent1]

That would be hilarious. "Don't make me use my third claw on you! No, seriously, please don't make me use it. It hurts so bad when I use it..." And then he breaks into tears.

[LouFerignoDemon]

For that matter, if his claws are bonded with the old anti-healing sword, doesn't that mean he should have gaping, bleeding wounds in his hands at all times?
It's in a sheath that breaches the skin, so the actual muramasa blade doesn't touch him.

[Artistsean]

For how long, and how often, did Tony Stark have to hook himself up to charge his battery?
Did he have to charge it for an hour each day?
Does he still have to charge it?

[LouFerignoDemon]

It varied wildly, depending on suit usage, or if he even hooked them up.

For a while, he just had his own heart, then he had some odd biomechanical heart that required periodic charging once a week or something.

Right now, I think he has a normal heart.

[uchiha_itachi]

He got rid of that shrapnel and electro magnet thing ages ago right?

[TheCorpulent1]

Doesn't he have a comic version of the ARC generator from the movie in his chest now? I remember earlier in the current "Stark: Disassembled" arc, someone mentioned that Extremis f***ed up his organs, so he transplanted Pepper's ARC generator into himself and now he needs it to survive or something.

[SpideyForPrez]

When did Thor's hammer go from being called Uru to Mjolnir? I've been reading some old school Avengers. And could someone phonetically spell Mjolnir for me?

[Manic]

When did Thor's hammer go from being called Uru to Mjolnir? I've been reading some old school Avengers. And could someone phonetically spell Mjolnir for me?
I think Uru is the mystical metal the hammer is made from.

I've been pronouncing it Mee-yoll-ner. I think the M at the beginning is a general meh/mee/muh sound, but the J is definitely pronounced like a Y.

[TheCorpulent1]

Uru is indeed the metal the hammer is made from. It's native to Asgard and is supposedly really good at soaking up magic energy, which allows it to hold enchantments really well.

And the name is indeed pronounced "M'YOL-ner." Just like how you pronounce "fjord" "fyord." Those crazy Norsemen with their Y-sounding J's. :awesome:

[Lucien]

I swear it sounds like Thor calls it Mo-lin on the Ultimates cartoon movie :p

I've always pronounced it m'yol-NEER.

[uchiha_itachi]

Doesn't he have a comic version of the ARC generator from the movie in his chest now? I remember earlier in the current "Stark: Disassembled" arc, someone mentioned that Extremis f***ed up his organs, so he transplanted Pepper's ARC generator into himself and now he needs it to survive or something.

huh what? Pepper had one? whhhy? if he took hers dont tht mean shes dead?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, they transplanted it and she's fine. She misses it as of the most recent issue of IIM, though. Apparently it made her feel a connection to Tony and it gave her a purpose or something. She used it to power the Rescue armor, which it looks like she will use again pretty soon, so I imagine she'll get another generator installed.

[uchiha_itachi]

dammit....now i need to buy Iron man as well lol expensive time :(

[Lucien]

Would Nova with the full Nova Force have been anywhere near to Silver Surfer's level before Galactus gave him his upgrade in Annihilation?

[TheCorpulent1]

Probably in terms of raw power, but the Surfer seems a lot more skilled with his power, regardless of what level it's at.

[Lucien]

So how big a chunk was taken away after the recruitment of the new Nova's? I've never really gotten a proper sense of the full scale of the Nova Force.

[Ipodman]

I found this toy... it has "(c) 1993 MARVEL" on one leg... and on the other leg, "TOY BIZ INC"

Wondering what charcter is this... anyone can help? :yay:

http://i48.tinypic.com/91jel0.jpg

[Anubis]

Cannonball.

[Ipodman]

Cannonball.

Hmm.. seems like it thanks! :yay:

[Anubis]

The purple Jacket and the goggles are a dead giveaway.

[roach]

based on a Liefeld design...even in the pic his feet are hidden

[Vartha]

When did Thor's hammer go from being called Uru to Mjolnir? I've been reading some old school Avengers. And could someone phonetically spell Mjolnir for me?
Mjonlir's not the only weapon that is made from Uru. Sif has a Bow and arrow made from Uru and the arrows return to her like Mjolnir does to Thor. I'm sure most of the magical weapons the Asgardian have are made of Uru because of it's magical properties like Corp mentioned.

[Silicon Surfer]

Gungnir and Odin's mace/scepter Thrudstok are also made of Uru. Marvel keeps mentioning that Uru retains enchantments well so I guess most other materials leak.

[anrrd_2]

Mjonlir's not the only weapon that is made from Uru. Sif has a Bow and arrow made from Uru and the arrows return to her like Mjolnir does to Thor. I'm sure most of the magical weapons the Asgardian have are made of Uru because of it's magical properties like Corp mentioned.

please please please let this be in the movie!:woot:

[Scarecrow_King]

Does Daken have a healing factor like Logan? if so, how does he keep those tattoos? I thought a healing factor rubbed them out after so long.

[uchiha_itachi]

In the ultimate universe Logan said a tattoo heals within hours. I just took the 616 verse healing factors as being different when it comes to tattoos.

[uchiha_itachi]

What book is Cable moving to after his series is done?

[Manic]

What book is Cable moving to after his series is done?
Assuming he doesn't get killed off during Second Coming? We don't know yet. Everyone's hoping it's X-Force.

[Vartha]

please please please let this be in the movie!:woot:
you never know:woot:

[anrrd_2]

oh i do Vartha... i do...:ninja:

[uchiha_itachi]

Assuming he doesn't get killed off during Second Coming? We don't know yet. Everyone's hoping it's X-Force.

Fair point...ooooh tht would be awesome having deadpool and cable in x force!

[uchiha_itachi]

Does sentry have to take the serum to get his powers all the time?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm no Sentry expert, but it was my understanding that he only drank the serum once and it permanently gave him powers.

[uchiha_itachi]

Thats what i thought. i was just reading the Sentry vol1 and he seemed to keep taking it. the "professor" even said " everytime you take it you have to increase the dose, im afraid you may become addicted.."

i may just ignore that? lol

[Manic]

Isn't everything about the Sentry one giant roll of retcons wrapped around itself? I'm pretty sure most people shouldn't even remember he exists.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, they technically don't. Nobody remembers him from before the mindwipe at the end of his first mini. They all just have new memories of his exploits since New Avengers. Which is why Constrictor, at least, thinks he's a f***ing psycho and not the best thing since sliced bread.

[DawnWarrior]

Well, they technically don't. Nobody remembers him from before the mindwipe at the end of his first mini. They all just have new memories of his exploits since New Avengers. Which is why Constrictor, at least, thinks he's a f***ing psycho and not the best thing since sliced bread.
So if I'm to understand it right, the Marvel Universe we've read for years is actually the version of events that people remember FOLLOWING the mindwipe?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't really know where the mindwipe was supposed to take place in the history of the larger Marvel universe. All of the major heroes were around and well established by then, though. So if the sliding timescale says the Marvel universe is about 15 years into the modern heroic age beginning with the FF's first appearance, I'd say it had to have taken place at least 5 years or so after that. So at most, the mindwipe would've taken place 10 years ago in Marvel time.

[Vartha]

heh probably happened during the Bankruptcy. :D

[SpideyForPrez]

Mjonlir's not the only weapon that is made from Uru. Sif has a Bow and arrow made from Uru and the arrows return to her like Mjolnir does to Thor. I'm sure most of the magical weapons the Asgardian have are made of Uru because of it's magical properties like Corp mentioned.

Lol, I totally forgot to check for the answer after I asked my question. Thanks to those who answered.

[Vartha]

glad to help Shocker

[DawnWarrior]

heh probably happened during the Bankruptcy. :D
Hey that might be fun, if Superboy-Prime-Punchy style, it turned out that all the weird and nonsensical s$!% that went on in the 90's was a side effect of Sentry's mindwipe.

[Drz]

So someone wanna give me a little sum up on Ghost Rider? Does he fight demons and sinners? Does he work for the devil or heaven? Or what?

[sdc10]

So someone wanna give me a little sum up on Ghost Rider? Does he fight demons and sinners? Does he work for the devil or heaven? Or what?

You're probably better off just reading the wikipedia entries on Johnny Blaze and Daniel Ketch if you wanna get the gist of it

[uchiha_itachi]

Aint he the "Angel of vengence" now?

[KevanG]

So someone wanna give me a little sum up on Ghost Rider? Does he fight demons and sinners? Does he work for the devil or heaven? Or what?

Quick summation?



COMPLETELY ****ING AWESOME!

[Jordacar]

Is 'Agents of Atlas' any good? If so, why?

[Panthro]

Why does Fraction enjoy making Thor look like a wuss?

[Anubis]

When did he do that?

[The Question]

I've noticed that a large number of Marvel's What If? one shots over the past few years have been centered around alternate outcomes of stories that had mixed or largely negative reviews by fans where things got worse. Does anyone else get the feeling that this is a deliberate plot to plant the mental seed of "aren't we glad that things happened exactly as they did?"

[TheCorpulent1]

Is 'Agents of Atlas' any good? If so, why?
It's very good. The combination of personalities on the team is excellent and each character (except maybe Jimmy) is interesting in their own right. The concept of their taking an evil, centuries-old organization and slowly, subtly trying to change it from the inside into a force for good is a clever hook. The whole team and their adventures have a fun, retro, old-school comics feel, too. I'd highly recommend at least picking up the trade for the original mini-series and giving it a try.
When did he do that?
Secret Invasion: Thor and, from the looks of it, the upcoming FCBD Thor/Iron Man one-shot.

[Jordacar]

What's a really good modern Dr. Strange story?

[JewishHobbit]

Doctor Strange: The Oath is extremely good. 5 issues.

[JustABill]

When is Johnathan Hickman leaving Fantastic Four? There's too much Reed love in his run for my taste.

[TheCorpulent1]

Hickman's doing a great job on FF, in my opinion. Very cool, retro sci fi feel.

[Franklin Richards]

The Reed love was his first arc to sort of clear the palette from the Civil War years. The focus has been on the adventures as opposed to the family lately. Which is great. Let the character issues happen organically.


As for Hickman's reign. He's tweeted about mapping out the FF's issues for more than a year, if I remember correctly. The rest is just a matter of contract.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[TheCorpulent1]

And sales.

[Franklin Richards]

Not as much with FF.


Fantastic Four is the Green Bay of Marvel. The other titles will always subsidize it. Now does Marvel want it to sell? Of course. But at least it has a little more rope than other titles.

Which means greater potential for success or failure.


I give you JMS.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm sure he's got better job security with FF, even if its sales slip, than anyone who's writing a series that's not considered one of the cornerstones of the Marvel universe, but there's gotta be a threshold. FF will always continue, but Hickman's not essential to that if he can't make it pull its own weight.

[Franklin Richards]

Oh agreed. But I think he's got alot of rope with this one.


I know I'm willing to give Eaglesham as many issues as he wants.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, if only he could give us more than 2 issues at a time. ;)

[uchiha_itachi]

Can anyone tell me what comic/issue/ark this happened to ms marvel (moonstone)?

She is given the codename of Ms. Marvel as well as her original costume (reclaimed from Ultra Girl) after Carol Danvers refuses to follow Osborn.[29] The costume is also scratched heavily by Tigra causing an embarrassing exposure in front of the press.

[Havok83]

Can anyone tell me what comic/issue/ark this happened to ms marvel (moonstone)?

She is given the codename of Ms. Marvel as well as her original costume (reclaimed from Ultra Girl) after Carol Danvers refuses to follow Osborn.[29] The costume is also scratched heavily by Tigra causing an embarrassing exposure in front of the press.
Dark Avengers #1. Not sure about the Tigra stuff

[uchiha_itachi]

Oh i found out it was in Avengers: the initiative.

[E.Brock]

When is the next time we can expect to see Eddie Brock?

[uchiha_itachi]

Dosent he have his own Anti-venom book?

[Tron Bonne]

He had that Anti-Venom mini series that finished up not too long ago. I guess depending on the success of that he might get another mini series soon enough. I'm sure he'll also pop up in Spider-Man related books from time to time, too

[javi1024]

i wish Eddie's suicide took. his character seems so pointless now.

[SpideyForPrez]

So I could probably start a new thread for this question, I might get more answers but we'll see what I get here.

So this weekend is the Emerald City Comicon here in Seattle. Stan Lee's gonna be there and I was thinking about getting a photo with him (not a fan of autographs too much). I haven't really been to many conventions in my day, so I'm not sure what to expect. The photo op is from 12:30-1:00pm. So should I try to line up and get my photo ticket (which I believe you can only buy at a booth there) as early as possible? Or will there be some sort of organization so long as I buy a ticket in time? Any advice is appreciated.

[SpideyForPrez]

No advice? Should I maybe bring this question to a different part of the hype?

[Vartha]

No advice? Should I maybe bring this question to a different part of the hype?
Well If you really want to go for it do it. It's a once in a lifetime chance with Stan!
I'd get in line as soon as you can get in for the ticket. My experiance with artists at Cons are the same way, first come first serve.

[SpideyForPrez]

Yeah that's what I figured. There's lots of other stuff going on at the same time so maybe I have a chance. Thanks.

How does an artists booth really work, if you don't mind explaining? Like for lesser-known guys than Stan Lee. Can you get sketches from them? Maybe if their booths aren't busy or is that a lame thing to ask for? There's a couple artists I might be tempted to bother.

[Anubis]

Yeah you can ask for sketches, but most tend to charge.

[SpideyForPrez]

Good to know. I plan on bringing some cash so if it's worth the price I might pay a little. Thanks.

[TheCorpulent1]

Get there early. As soon as the convention opens on the first day, if you can. Bigger-name artists tend to get fully booked on sketches pretty quickly and then spend the rest of the con working on those early requests. I managed to get Mike Oeming to draw me a quick sketch of Loki toward the end of MegaCon one year, but I think he just took pity on me because it was my first con and maybe because I had spent a lot of time talking to him at his booth, which was sadly pretty dead most of the time.

[random_havoc]

Good to know. I plan on bringing some cash so if it's worth the price I might pay a little. Thanks.

You never know how much they'll charge either. For example, Mike Deodato is a significantly bigger name at the present in comics than Dale Keown, but Deodato was charging $80 per sketch, whereas Keown was charging 150. The diff being that deodato was literally doing a sketch, whereas keown was taking a lot of time and doing work that looked like you could honestly slap it on the front cover of a comic it was so good.

[TheCorpulent1]

I shudder to think what painters like Adam Hughes charge. He was one of the artists who was booked up on sketch requests almost from the moment the convention opened at MegaCon.

[SpideyForPrez]

Double post.

[SpideyForPrez]

Well I got my phtoto with Stan Lee. Just barely though, the line was huge! The photo is funny, it's like a family photo with a soft background. Looks like I'm posing with my Grandpa Stan Lee, lol. But I'm very happy just to be able to say I was close to Stan for a few seconds.

I did get a couple sketches, but from the same guy. Stephen "JB" Jones, who does character designs for DC animation. I had him draw up some awesome Brave and Bold style Batman and Robin, and Penguin sketches. It was my first time asking for a sketch and it was a very positive experience. He was a super cool and nice guy and only charged me $60 for two sketches.

They other highlight of the con was I got to talk with Bendis for a little bit. I know he gets a lot of criticism on this site, but I'm a fan of his. He was also really nice and we got to talk about how much I liked the first run on Ultimate Spider-Man. I was gonna get to talk with Brubaker but he decided he was done for the day just two people ahead of me. Overall my first real comicon was pretty sweet.

[Vartha]

Get there early. As soon as the convention opens on the first day, if you can. Bigger-name artists tend to get fully booked on sketches pretty quickly and then spend the rest of the con working on those early requests. I managed to get Mike Oeming to draw me a quick sketch of Loki toward the end of MegaCon one year, but I think he just took pity on me because it was my first con and maybe because I had spent a lot of time talking to him at his booth, which was sadly pretty dead most of the time.
I'm still jealous of that

[Vartha]

Well I got my phtoto with Stan Lee. Just barely though, the line was huge! The photo is funny, it's like a family photo with a soft background. Looks like I'm posing with my Grandpa Stan Lee, lol. But I'm very happy just to be able to say I was close to Stan for a few seconds.

I did get a couple sketches, but from the same guy. Stephen "JB" Jones, who does character designs for DC animation. I had him draw up some awesome Brave and Bold style Batman and Robin, and Penguin sketches. It was my first time asking for a sketch and it was a very positive experience. He was a super cool and nice guy and only charged me $60 for two sketches.

They other highlight of the con was I got to talk with Bendis for a little bit. I know he gets a lot of criticism on this site, but I'm a fan of his. He was also really nice and we got to talk about how much I liked the first run on Ultimate Spider-Man. I was gonna get to talk with Brubaker but he decided he was done for the day just two people ahead of me. Overall my first real comicon was pretty sweet.
Great to hear Shocker!
I find my self a very lucky guy having been to the Kubert school for two years. Joe, Greg Hildebrandt, Sal Amendola, Jose Delbo, Hy Eiseman, Tex Avery, Sergio all being teachers with Adam and Andy Kubert and Jim Balent IN my class. lol

[SpideyForPrez]

Wow, that is lucky.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm still jealous of that
:oldrazz:

[uchiha_itachi]

in What comic did Nick fury leave shield and go underground? did it happen before secret invasion and civil war?

[TheCorpulent1]

He was ousted from SHIELD at the end of Secret War. He had some cameos in Captain America, but his major resurfacing was something leading up to Secret Invasion. Can't remember what it was called, but it showed him gathering the Caterpillar kids who went on to become Daisy's squad in Secret Warriors.

[uchiha_itachi]

So he was underground when he got deadpool to get that skrull intel?

oh another thing, how the hell is SHEILD apart of HYDRA?

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess. I didn't read the Deadpool lead-in to Secret Invasion.

SHIELD is a part of HYDRA because Hickman likes retcons. They stopped dealing with that particular plot point after a few issues of Secret Warriors and focused more on the Howling Commandos PMC, the Caterpillar characters, etc.

[uchiha_itachi]

ah ok...

I guess im gonna start picking up secret warriors as well then. what i saw of them in Dark avengers intrigued me.

[Franklin Richards]

It wasn't a retcon. It was a reveal.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[TheCorpulent1]

Semantics. Hickman felt like changing SHIELD's origins, so he did. I call that a retcon, but if you want to label it a reveal because no character ever specifically said "SHIELD is not a part of HYDRA" in the past 40 years, feel free.

[Franklin Richards]

I will.


Being technically right is the best kind of right.

:D



:ff: :ff: :ff:

[uchiha_itachi]

I thought Nick made shield...

[TheCorpulent1]

Nope. There have been previous retcons to SHIELD's origins, but I'm pretty sure even as far back as its original introduction in the '60s, SHIELD existed before Nick came around. I remember reading a reprint where Nick was brought to this new agency and greeted by Tony Stark, who was contributing tech to the agency. The agency was SHIELD and, while Nick was its first leader in that origin story, the agency was still created without him and they sought his leadership afterward.

[uchiha_itachi]

AH ok, cheers man.

[Anubis]

Revels count as retcons as well.

Retroactive continuity means, going back, and adding or changing things to the established continuity. So, you know, Corpys right and Frankie testicles is wrong.

[JustABill]

Since there's not a misc comics stupid question thread:

Who/what has an ongoing at Image Comics now? I know Invincible, Savage Dragon, Haunt, The Walking Dead, but who else/what else is an ongoing at that company?

[Anubis]

Spawn still has one I believe.

Oh and there is a Misc comics stupid question thread. I believe it was started by Aristsean. Reason why it's not easy to find is because none of the Mods ever bothered to put a Sticky on it.

[TheCorpulent1]

And none of "the mods" ever will now. :argh:

[uchiha_itachi]

How tall is warpath?

[uchiha_itachi]

Oh sorry...

Which book is first? X-infernus or New mutants volume 1?

And is there anything i need to know before reading x-infernus?

[TheCorpulent1]

You mean volume 1 of the current New Mutants? X-Infernus would come before that. I don't think you need to know anything before X-Infernus except that Illyana Rasputin somehow came back, lost her soul, and is trying to get it back. And Pixie, one of the X-Men's students, is somehow connected to Limbo and the soul stuff. I didn't know anything going into X-Infernus when I read it and I managed to follow it pretty well.

[Manic]

If you want to find out Pixie's backstory before X-Infernus, read the "Quest For Magik" trade of New X-Men. But all you really need to know is that Magik/Illyana Rasputin kidnapped Pixie, snatched out her soul, and made her part demonic.

[Anubis]

And none of "the mods" ever will now. :argh:


Whatevs. :o

[Optikal]

How tall is warpath?

7'2" :up:

[uchiha_itachi]

7'2" :up:

Woah...i knew he was tall but damn haha no wonder he looked so huge in that x-force diorama lol

[Shockdingo]

Ok, with all the recent Sentry happenings I just have to ask...WHAT is he and how did he get his powers? Wasn't it some serum? I'm just in a little tailspin of confusion because the little I know of him doesn't make sense; I heard he was supposed to be Marvel's superman, but he's surpassed that and crossed over into "whatever I want the character to do, he can do it" territory. What kind of substance made him this way? I mean he comes off more like some sort of supreme Alien or fallen god-thing, rather than a super powered product of science.

[Colossal Spoons]

Druggie who drank a professor's serum cuz he wanted to get high and anything would have done the trick

[Manic]

Marvel Comics: Drugs give you superpowers, but we'll be damned if Wolverine is allowed to smoke cigars!

[Anubis]

Serum just so happened to be a test tube angel of God's wrath, Bob's your uncle, He's ripping Greek God's and 90's s**t stains in half.

[uchiha_itachi]

Ok, with all the recent Sentry happenings I just have to ask...WHAT is he and how did he get his powers? Wasn't it some serum? I'm just in a little tailspin of confusion because the little I know of him doesn't make sense; I heard he was supposed to be Marvel's superman, but he's surpassed that and crossed over into "whatever I want the character to do, he can do it" territory. What kind of substance made him this way? I mean he comes off more like some sort of supreme Alien or fallen god-thing, rather than a super powered product of science.

" he drank the professors secret formula"

Which I THINK was a 100x more potent than the super solider serum or something.

He had to keep drink it every time he wanted to turn into sentry...but i choose to ignore that because that was only ever mentioned in one comic. so i guess he drank it once and got his powers.

His powers are actually based around him being able to control molecules.

[uchiha_itachi]

Why oh why did Gwen Stacy have kids with Normal Osborne?

[Manic]

Why oh why did Gwen Stacy have kids with Normal Osborne?

Because the editors wouldn't let JMS tell a story about Gwen secretly having Peter's kids, so he changed them to Norman's kids.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm not sure how either story was approved. They both sound horrendous. Just let the poor girl rest already. :csad:

[Manic]

In one version, MJ is a b**** for not telling Peter that his late girlfriend had his kids, and Gwen herself is a bit of a b**** for not telling Peter when she was alive.

In the other version, Gwen is a b**** and a major **** for cheating on Peter by boinking a man old enough to be her father, who also happened to be Peter's greatest enemy,

[JewishHobbit]

It was a good story if you consider it out of canon. However, yeah, it had its sour points continuity-wise.

[E.Brock]

i wish Eddie's suicide took. his character seems so pointless now.

He won't seem pointless once he reclaims his throne as the original Venom. I think it's going to happen in a Venom vs. Anti-Venom miniseries. Gargan's time is coming to end...sooner than later

[Anubis]

But the real question is, who gives a s**t either way?

[E.Brock]

I do

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd like to see Eddie back behind the Venom symbiote. But he could stay as Anti-Venom, too. I like Eddie more than symbiotes in general.

[E.Brock]

Im going to reiterate what I said in another thread. Somewhere along the line, Venom became a moniker for anyone who managed to bond with the symbiote. The symbiote itself is not Venom, Angelo Fortunato is not Venom, Mac Gargan is not Venom. Eddie Brock + the alien symbiote = VENOM. Nobody else should be able to claim that. The legacy was created and belongs to Eddie Brock.

Just my opinion

[Shockdingo]

I currently like where Brock is at, I only wish he'd appear more often. If he goes back to ol' symby, he's going to take a massive step backwards in my opinion.

[Shockdingo]

I currently like where Brock is at, I only wish he'd appear more often. If he goes back to ol' symby, he's going to take a massive step backwards in my opinion.

edit: Thanks for the answers guys, wow, that's an epic boost of the SSSerum. :wow:

[E.Brock]

the demand is too high for the return of Eddie Brock as Venom

[Manic]

The demand is also high for someone to explain Brand New Day, and yet...

[E.Brock]

hahah

[Shockdingo]

I know there's demand for it and I respect it, but in terms of what's best for the character (I doubt I know all that he needs, I'm a huge Brock fan, but my knowledge can be spotty etc) but I really REALLY don't want him going back to it and I don't think it will do him any good whatsoever. If he gets the look back, but keeps the Anti-Venom sensibilities and healing power (that at this moment is vital) that would be fine for me. I just don't see what can be done by having him going back to hating Pete again. He's grown up, matured mentally and emotionally and moved on. He's been used a bit, but he largely remains a blank slate that could be forged into something great. He has a whole new second chance now. I've said this all across the board a couple times, so I'll summarize it here, but the simple addition of a healing ability could really bring forth a heroic side of him and make people recognize and accept changes in the Marvel U. In the event of a crazy end game by a villain of an event, Brock could burst out of the darkness, save infected zombified people and prove to the world that he's not a mindless killer but a MAN, a man with good intensions who has made bad decisions in the past. I fear that if he does go back to the symbiote, they'll invent some contrived reason for him to hate Pete, then he'll appear every once in a while doing more of the same, till a writer either:
1.) Tries to reinvent Brock by doing something crazy and drastic (i.e. terrible like the Tsunami series with The Thing rip off story)

2.) Kills him off again and gives the symbiote to another character.

Thing is, with him as he is now, he has Jenna Cole as a supporting cast member, while she's not super duper much, she's still something; a stable constant in his life. That will make him a detailed character if it is played right. With him truly trying to do good (instead of him going about the murdering path he used to) he may actually convince people that he's changed, join a team book, and if written correctly, this could be a new golden age for Brock and his fans. I'm really hopeful with this. For me, I don't see this as Lethal Protector redux, I see it as Lethal Protector done potentially right. At first, he wanted to do good, but hadn't confronted his inner demons, his true actions and where his path had led him. Also now free of the symbiote's influence, he is his own man and can better choose between light and dark. He's actually reluctant to kill or even obsess about his own problems. He still ended killing in his mini, but he still tried to avoid it, he didn't just say "ah hell with it, let's go back to murder-ville." He was pushed and lost it. Granted he regressed, but he's trying.

Sorry for the text wall. Well, that's just my opinion, I'd be willing to hear yours man. :)

[Varient]

I know there's demand for it and I respect it, but in terms of what's best for the character (I doubt I know all that he needs, I'm a huge Brock fan, but my knowledge can be spotty etc) but I really REALLY don't want him going back to it and I don't think it will do him any good whatsoever. If he gets the look back, but keeps the Anti-Venom sensibilities and healing power (that at this moment is vital) that would be fine for me. I just don't see what can be done by having him going back to hating Pete again. He's grown up, matured mentally and emotionally and moved on. He's been used a bit, but he largely remains a blank slate that could be forged into something great. He has a whole new second chance now. I've said this all across the board a couple times, so I'll summarize it here, but the simple addition of a healing ability could really bring forth a heroic side of him and make people recognize and accept changes in the Marvel U. In the event of a crazy end game by a villain of an event, Brock could burst out of the darkness, save infected zombified people and prove to the world that he's not a mindless killer but a MAN, a man with good intensions who has made bad decisions in the past. I fear that if he does go back to the symbiote, they'll invent some contrived reason for him to hate Pete, then he'll appear every once in a while doing more of the same, till a writer either:
1.) Tries to reinvent Brock by doing something crazy and drastic (i.e. terrible like the Tsunami series with The Thing rip off story)

2.) Kills him off again and gives the symbiote to another character.

Thing is, with him as he is now, he has Jenna Cole as a supporting cast member, while she's not super duper much, she's still something; a stable constant in his life. That will make him a detailed character if it is played right. With him truly trying to do good (instead of him going about the murdering path he used to) he may actually convince people that he's changed, join a team book, and if written correctly, this could be a new golden age for Brock and his fans. I'm really hopeful with this. For me, I don't see this as Lethal Protector redux, I see it as Lethal Protector done potentially right. At first, he wanted to do good, but hadn't confronted his inner demons, his true actions and where his path had led him. Also now free of the symbiote's influence, he is his own man and can better choose between light and dark. He's actually reluctant to kill or even obsess about his own problems. He still ended killing in his mini, but he still tried to avoid it, he didn't just say "ah hell with it, let's go back to murder-ville." He was pushed and lost it. Granted he regressed, but he's trying.

Sorry for the text wall. Well, that's just my opinion, I'd be willing to hear yours man. :)

Here here. I support your feelings @ least 75%, Let him stay the way he is,.. make the symbiont take a new host every month and do some good too.

[TheCorpulent1]

Symbiote. It may not actually be a word, but that's what it's called in the Marvel universe. :oldrazz:

[Varient]

Symbiote. It may not actually be a word, but that's what it's called in the Marvel universe. :oldrazz:

I stand corrected.:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

It's kind of sad that most people call them "symbiotes" now thanks to Spider-Man, even though the actual word is "symbiont."

[The Question]

Has it ever been explained why everyone and their grandmother is so interested in recreating the super soldier serum? I mean, Cap is a force to be reckoned with, but since his time, a lot of much more powerful or versatile superhumans showed up. Why does everyone want another Captain America instead of searching for ways to recreate The Hulk or Spider-Man?

[roach]

Has it ever been explained why everyone and their grandmother is so interested in recreating the super soldier serum? I mean, Cap is a force to be reckoned with, but since his time, a lot of much more powerful or versatile superhumans showed up. Why does everyone want another Captain America instead of searching for ways to recreate The Hulk or Spider-Man?

well for one do you want to create another Hulk and not be able to control it??? and two how many people know it was a scientific accident that created Spider-man and not a mutation????

[Manic]

Here's a better question: Why is no one trying to create another She-Hulk or Doc Samson? Just gas up Bruce, take some of his blood while he's knocked out, and give a transfusion to some soldiers with a compatible blood type. Bingo, bango, you've got yourself a platoon of Hulks who are probably a little less inhibited than usual but nowhere close to out of control.

[roach]

Does the government know how Jen became She-Hulk???
I thought that it had more to do with her being a relative that made her survive the transfusion

[Shockdingo]

I think for the super soldier serum it's this;
Sure he's not super spectacular in raw power when compared to others, but he's pretty darn amazing and crafty. Imagine if you could mass produce a legion of Caps. They may not be able to punch out dimensions and abstract concepts, but they'd be handy in practical situations for the govt and such like anti terror, defense etc. Plus, that's just the start, if they have that as a base and figure out how to add other additives, you would have an army of Caps with some other bonuses. I think it's all about great power to an extent coupled with great stability. Using radiation and other means often carries the risk of instability, mutation and just general unpleasantness.

[Manic]

Maybe the government should've been offering incentives to young mutants a few years back instead of sending giant purple robots after them.

[roach]

However it doesnt make sense to me that with all the advanced tech the Marvel Universe has they still cant recreate something that was created in WW2

[roach]

Maybe the government should've been offering incentives to young mutants a few years back instead of sending giant purple robots after them.

well they did have Freedom Force, and the X-Factor....they jud didnt know how to use them

[Manic]

You can blame Val Cooper for that.

[roach]

it would make sense for the government to have mutants on the payroll

[Manic]

It wouldn't have been that difficult, either. You've got a nation full of superpowered teenagers, looking for direction in life, jobless, and probably can't afford to go to college. Offer up some scholarships, medical, dental, military base housing, and you just watch how many members of the "mutant menace" turn up at recruitment centers around the country.

[roach]

shoot.....they'd have too many mutants

[Shockdingo]

Not with Wanda on the scene :awesome:

[TheCorpulent1]

It wouldn't have been that difficult, either. You've got a nation full of superpowered teenagers, looking for direction in life, jobless, and probably can't afford to go to college. Offer up some scholarships, medical, dental, military base housing, and you just watch how many members of the "mutant menace" turn up at recruitment centers around the country.
And Wanda's "no more mutants" would become 100 times more hilarious just because of the reactions of all the bureaucrats. "What do you mean they're all suddenly normal?! We invested 40 million taxpayer dollars into training those lousy sacks of s*** to use their powers for us and now you're saying they don't have them anymore 'cause some b**** had a God-sized case of PMS?!"

[Manic]

Please, if the government just lost a ton of its operatives to M-Day, their first priority would've been reversing it instead of turning the Xavier Institute lawn into an internment camp.

[Shockdingo]

And Wanda's "no more mutants" would become 100 times more hilarious just because of the reactions of all the bureaucrats. "What do you mean they're all suddenly normal?! We invested 40 million taxpayer dollars into training those lousy sacks of s*** to use their powers for us and now you're saying they don't have them anymore 'cause some b**** had a God-sized case of PMS?!"

:hehe: That had me laughing for quite a while. :woot: I would pay money to see such a scene take place. Oh crap would that be hilarious.

[roach]

Major:"Sir the Scarlet Witch has turned all our operatives into normal humans."
General:"What are we gonna do?"
Major:"General I have Dr Strange on line one."
Dr. Strange:"I can fix this but I want to be left alone when you come after capes."
General:"Please??!!! We'd never go after the people who keep Galactus from eating us every Tuesday."
Dr. Strange:"Have it your way then."

[WolfCypher]

Should I be reading DoomWar? :/

[Manic]

It's kind of sad that most people call them "symbiotes" now thanks to Spider-Man, even though the actual word is "symbiont."

I tried looking up whether symbiote was an improper word online, and it seems like both words are acceptable.

[E.Brock]

Symbiote. It may not actually be a word, but that's what it's called in the Marvel universe. :oldrazz:
symbiote is as much of a word as symbiont

[random_havoc]

Should I be reading DoomWar? :/

I was impressed by the first ish quite a bit, but the second one confused me a little. That's all I got for ya so far other than that the art is really good.

[TheCorpulent1]

I tried looking up whether symbiote was an improper word online, and it seems like both words are acceptable.
symbiote is as much of a word as symbiont
Hmm. I've only ever seen "symbiont" outside of the Spider-Man comics.

[Manic]

Hmm. I've only ever seen "symbiont" outside of the Spider-Man comics.

They used "symbiote" on Stargate SG-1.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah, they did. I forgot about that.

[Lucien]

And on DS9.

Are the Warriors Three and Balder etc stronger and more resilliant than the average Asgardian? I was a bit perplexed re-reading the current Thor when that one guy died from a spear to the gut, while Volstagg takes that blast from the suped-up Doombot.

[The Question]

well for one do you want to create another Hulk and not be able to control it??? and two how many people know it was a scientific accident that created Spider-man and not a mutation????

Well, since The Hulk is unstable because Bruce Banner is mentally ill, I think it could be controlled if you put in the proper research. And as for Spider-Man... would it hurt to at least try to find out?

I think for the super soldier serum it's this;
Sure he's not super spectacular in raw power when compared to others, but he's pretty darn amazing and crafty. Imagine if you could mass produce a legion of Caps. They may not be able to punch out dimensions and abstract concepts, but they'd be handy in practical situations for the govt and such like anti terror, defense etc. Plus, that's just the start, if they have that as a base and figure out how to add other additives, you would have an army of Caps with some other bonuses. I think it's all about great power to an extent coupled with great stability. Using radiation and other means often carries the risk of instability, mutation and just general unpleasantness.

Captain America is amazing and craft because of his training and experience. Give him Spider-Man's powers instead and he'd be 20 times as effective.

[The Question]

And on DS9.

They used both symbiote and symbiont on DS9. Also, my spellcheck only recognizes symbiont, if that says anything.

[TheCorpulent1]

And on DS9.

Are the Warriors Three and Balder etc stronger and more resilliant than the average Asgardian? I was a bit perplexed re-reading the current Thor when that one guy died from a spear to the gut, while Volstagg takes that blast from the suped-up Doombot.
Volstagg and Hogun are definitely two of the tougher Asgardians. Tyr and Heimdall are up there as well. Odin was second only to Thor before he died and could probably augment his natural strength and toughness with magic. I imagine Balder and Fandral would be better than average, but they tend to err on the side of finesse rather than brute force, so it's harder to gauge them. Brunnhilde is the strongest/toughest Asgardian female, followed by Sif.

Keep in mind as well that the spear that killed that Asgardian was wielded by another Asgardian and might have been magical, as opposed to the Doombots' blasts.

[Lucien]

Thor was tougher than Odin? Am I reading that right?

Great explanation, thanks. So are any of them actually gods OF something or another like Thor and Tyr?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Thor was the most physically powerful god among the Asgardians. Odin was up there, but not quite at Thor's level physically. But throw in his magical power and Odin was way, way beyond Thor in terms of overall power.

Outside of Thor, Loki, and Tyr, the only one I'm 100% sure about is Balder. Balder is the god of light and, back in the '80s, he discovered he had the ability to radiate light and heat from his body. He melted a whole frost giant castle just by standing there. But that ability seems to have been forgotten. Also, Sif used to be able to teleport, but that ability also seems to have been forgotten after the '70s or so. She was never really goddess of anything in the comics as far as I'm aware, though.

[Lucien]

That's pretty damn cool, and would explain why Balder was glowing gold during the Ragnarok arc. Kelda was said to be Goddess of storms or something thereabouts, I know that much.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, there's that. I'm not particularly happy about Kelda stealing Thor's thunder, literally. I wish she'd stayed dead. Bill's dead so her story is over anyway.

[Silicon Surfer]

Odin was class 100 in his prime and class 60 at his death. Volstagg was class 70 when young and is currently at about the 45 ton level. Volstagg has been referred to as God of Girth. Hermod is God of Speed.

[Manic]

Do Marvel's strength classes even mean anything? I mean, when was the last time you saw Beast chuck a car at anyone?

[Silicon Surfer]

They used to pay a certain amount of attention to the strength classes, now it probably doesn't mean much.

[uchiha_itachi]

Odin was class 100 in his prime and class 60 at his death. Volstagg was class 70 when young and is currently at about the 45 ton level. Volstagg has been referred to as God of Girth. Hermod is God of Speed.

I dont even wanna know what his powers are....

[Manic]

When you're only having seconds, he's having twenty thirds. When he goes to get his shoes shined, he's gotta take their word






Because he's Fat! Fat! Sha-mon!

[Vartha]

That's pretty damn cool, and would explain why Balder was glowing gold during the Ragnarok arc. Kelda was said to be Goddess of storms or something thereabouts, I know that much.
Kelda STORMRIDER actually

[Vartha]

I dont even wanna know what his powers are....
heh Basically Volstagg is a god of plenty. He has SEVERAL kids, HUGE appetite, Always Happy.:woot:

[Lucien]

Kelda STORMRIDER actually

Yes, but she specifically says she's the Goddess of winds and storms. I don't know if that's word for word though, because I havn't got it in front of me to read it.

[Silicon Surfer]

The norse may well have believed that they had enough storms, and blizzards to keep several gods of weather busy but I do wonder why Marvel thinks so.

[Vartha]

Yes, but she specifically says she's the Goddess of winds and storms. I don't know if that's word for word though, because I havn't got it in front of me to read it.

I know the quote you mean, too not sure myself what she says exactly.
I was stating her last name. I would actually assume she's alot like Orro only immortal.

[TheCorpulent1]

Volstagg is only called the god of girth as a joke. It's another mocking "title" like "Volstagg the Voluminous."

[roach]

They used to pay a certain amount of attention to the strength classes, now it probably doesn't mean much.

they cant even get people's powers right

[uchiha_itachi]

If i wanna start reading about the Space side of marvel is Annihilation Conquest a good place to start? then maybe read Nova and guardians of the galaxy?

[TheCorpulent1]

Annihilation is a better place to start. Conquest is decent but not as good as Annihilation, plus Annihilation comes first.

[JewishHobbit]

If i wanna start reading about the Space side of marvel is Annihilation Conquest a good place to start? then maybe read Nova and guardians of the galaxy?

Annihilation is the best starting point, though there was some good reading prior to that which is fairly recent and does play parts during Annihilation... such as introducing certain characters that come into play later, etc.

I bind my comics I plan on doing a huge Cosmic set, so I've already laid out the best read order for the whole modern cosmic line. I've taken out unneccessary stuff that only i'd be interested in. They are all listed in chronological reading order, so you can start at any point and just go down the list.

Good Pre-Annihilation Reading
Thanos 1-12
Stormbreaker: The Saga of Beta Ray Bill 1-6

Annihilation
Drax 1-4
Annihilation Prologue
Annihilation: Nova 1-4
Annihilation: Super Skrull 1-4
Annihilation: Ronan 1-4
Annihilation: Silver Surfer 1-4
Annihilation 1-6
Annihilation: Heralds of Galactus 1-2
Nova 1-3

Annhilation Conquest
Annihilation Conquest: Prologue
Annihilation Conquest: Star Lord 1-4
Annihilation Conquest: Wraith 1-4
Annihilation Conquest: Nova 4-10
Annihilation Conquest: Quasar 1-4
Annihilation Conquest: 1-3
Nova Annual 1
Nova 11-12
Annihilation: Conquest 4-6

Secret Invasion/Guardians of the Galaxy Era
Nova 13-15
She-Hulk: Cosmic Collision One Shot
Guardians of the Galaxy 1-6
X-Factor 33
She-Hulk 31
X-Factor 34
Illuminati (mini) 5
Secret Invasion: Inhumans 1-4
Nova 16 (& first scene of 17)
Secret Invasion: Thor 1-3
She Hulk 32-33
Nova 17-18
Beta Ray Bill: The Green of Eden

Note: She Hulk 32-33 is due to the Super Skrull being involved and concludes a storyline that begins in Nova 16. X-Factor 33-34 and She-Hulk 31 begins the rest of the story that issues 32-33 continue. It all flows decently when read as laid out above. The She Hulk: Cosmic Collision one shot isn't necessary, but a nice story that guest stars a bunch of Cosmic women, several from the Guardians of the Galaxy. Secret Invasion: Thor 1-3 & the Beta Ray Bill one shot are both souly for Beta Ray Bill. If you aren't interested in him then skip them. Everything else is pretty essential to the cosmic line at this time or for what's to come. This is also laid out with the mentality that you already know the main Secret Invasion storyline, as these kinda skip around it. If you don't then you may want to pick that up too, though all of these from the X-Factor/She-Hulk storyline through the end take place randomly through out it.

Galactus Centric Era
Beta Ray Bill: Godhunter 1-3
Son of Hulk 1-10
Planet Skaar Prologue
Son of Hulk 11-17

NOTE: Not necessary for the overall Cosmic story, but still a good read.

Lead-In to War of Kings
War of Kings: Warriors 1 (Blastaar story)
Guardians of the Galaxy 7-10
Nova 19-22
Guardians of the Galaxy 11-12
War of Kings: Darkhawk 1-2
Secret Invasion: War of Kings
War of Kings: Warriors 1 (Gladiator Story)
War of Kings: Kingbreaker 1-4
War of Kings: Warriors 2


Now... from there, during the War of Kings, all the titles start intermixing scene by scene. I haven't figure out the proper read order for them yet.

The build up for Vulcan in War of Kings (the main foil) is done in the X-Men books for a while. The best place for these if you want to read them is between Annihilation and Annihilation Conquest. Annihilation is referenced in them but they kinda interupt the flow of the Cosmic story proper. It's up to the reader. I like them in that place since Vulcan is such a huge villain in a major Cosmic event down the road. You'd want to read:

X-Men: Deadly Genesis 1-6
X-Men: Rise & Fall of the Shi'ar Empire 1-12 (all in Uncanny X-Men, forget the issues)
X-Men: Emperor Vulcan 1-5

[uchiha_itachi]

Wow man, i was expecting a simple yes haha. That's an AWESOME guide man. Really appreciate that!! :D

I'm a fan of Vulcan so I'll check out all that stuff to.

Got loooads of reading to do :D!!!

[uchiha_itachi]

Double Post.

[JewishHobbit]

It's a great read from beginning to end. If you end up reading the Galactus Era stuff, you can probably even add to the overall Cosmic feel by reading Planet Hulk followed by World War Hulk (which is kinda the beginning of the Skaar stuff), though I'm not sure exactly where they'd fall, since I've not read all of it. I think it'd take place prior to Annihilation but I'm not certain.

[Ace of Knaves]

The Thanos series leading up to Annihilation was awesome. It isn't essential, but it's definitely worth checking out prior to starting Annihilation.

[JewishHobbit]

Scratch that... I'm fairly certain Planet Hulk takes place prior to Annihilation but World War Hulk takes place afterwords, prior to Conquest. Planet Hulk's scenes dealing with Silver Surfer marks it prior to Annihilation if I"m not mistaken, but Nova 1-3 mention the Superhero Registration Act as being new, also that the Annihilation War was going on simoultaneously with with Civil War... so being that World War Hulk is after that as well, it'd fall after Annihilation.

So:

Planet Hulk
Annihilation stuff (Drax - Nova 1-3)
World War Hulk 1-5

[JewishHobbit]

The Thanos series leading up to Annihilation was awesome. It isn't essential, but it's definitely worth checking out prior to starting Annihilation.

The first 6 issues were amazing! The second 6 issues weren't quite as good but tie-in with Annihilation and later stuff better, as it has Star Lord, Gladiator, and the Fallen in them. Not to mentio a few very minor characters who show up in the Annihilation Prologue.

[javi1024]

has any of the 90s X-Men been collected in hc or trade besides AoA and Onslaught? specifically Lobdell's work?

[JewishHobbit]

I think the Twelve storyline's been collected. Legion Quest was collected, though it's not the easiest trade to find.

[uchiha_itachi]

Any of the Noir stuff worth picking up? particularly spider-man noir?

[uchiha_itachi]

Ok....stupid person that i am, ive started catching up with spider-man. I just read one more day....at first i thought ah its not that bad...but when they where discussing the deal i almost yelled at the pages " No way in hell would they be talking like this" I'm amazed at how STUPID JQ is. Anyway though on to my stupid question

what did MJ whisper to Mephisto? And Who was the "lady in red"?

[Anubis]

The Lady in red was Pete and MJ's grown up daughter that never was.

[BrianWilly]

lalalala Spider-Girl can't hear you lalalalala****ingla

So um has the Red Hulk's identity been revealed yet?

[Anubis]

Irving Forbush.

[JewishHobbit]

OMD wasn't really that bad until the deal was struck. The only part I didn't like previous to that was them saying Dr. Strange couldn't heal a gunshot wound. Other than that I liked seeing Peter at wit's end and all that. Even the deal Mephisto presented was fine, whatever, but Peter and MJ accepting it... that jus went against everything both of them are. And then the way the BND team has handled it since then has been a joke.

[uchiha_itachi]

The Lady in red was Pete and MJ's grown up daughter that never was.

ah ok..so that was their daughter as well as the little girl. far enough.

just read on wikipedia who aunt may is married to...:doh:

[Ipodman]

Not really a comic question.... but who was in the running for Wolverine before Hugh Jackman got the role?

[uchiha_itachi]

It was the bad guy from mission impossible 2 Dougray Scott. He actually got the role but had to drop out because MI:II had to do some reshoots.

[javi1024]

what did MJ whisper to Mephisto? And Who was the "lady in red"?
we still don't know what she said. we can assume over the past 2 yrs it was something like "give Peter his life back before anybody ever knew who was behind the mask and give him back his best friend, but dont let me forget."

[Manic]

Has it seriously been 2 years since One More Day? Are there any questions they've still left unanswered since Brand New Day started?

[Specter313]

Any of the Noir stuff worth picking up? particularly spider-man noir?

I only read the X-Men ones. Thought they were relatively mediocre. Not bad, but nothing spectacular. My roommate read the first Spider-Man one and liked it quite a bit, though.

[JustABill]

I liked both the Spider-Man Noirs, actually. It's not the best thing ever, and I'm fairly sure I liked them alot because the status of main Spider-Man is so craptacular nowadays.

Imagine mixing Spider-Man with Batman and that's essentially what you get with Spider-Man Noir.

[TheCorpulent1]

Sounds like everything I never wanted Spider-Man to be. It must be pretty popular, though. It's getting put into a video game now.

[JustABill]

Well, he still has alot of Peter's morals, he's just more willing to beat the **** out of a villain. Though he did break Batman/Peter's one rule and killed Noir! Vulture for killing Uncle Ben and trying to kill Aunt May.

It's an alternate universe, so I'm not really bothered with it as much as the main universe making deals with the devil.

[TheCorpulent1]

True. I wasn't really interested in the Noir line because "noir" usually just translates to "grimdark" in comics. From the sounds of Spider-Man: Noir, that's certainly the case here.

[random_havoc]

ah ok..so that was their daughter as well as the little girl. far enough.

just read on wikipedia who aunt may is married to...:doh:

exactly. Re-tard-ed.

[Manic]

I still think she belongs with Jarvis.

[Franklin Richards]

She was in bed with Dr. Octopus. There's no tellin' who that tramp will shack up with.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Manic]

I wouldn't be surprised if May was called a "floozy" in her day.

[Iron Man]

Has there been any news on where Songbird is going to be in the Heroic Age?

[TheCorpulent1]

Not a peep. I really wish she could've made it onto an Avengers team. She still could, but it seems unlikely given that Bendis doesn't seem to have any interest in her.
I wouldn't be surprised if May was called a "floozy" in her day.
Trouble. Mark Millar.

:csad:

[Manic]

Trouble. Mark Millar.

:csad:

*looks up Trouble*

:doh:

*walks away and never looks back*

[Scarecrow_King]

is the current Nova series any good? I've never really been into the cosmic books but it's something I'm looking into.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nova is very, very, very, very, very good. It's had a couple of arcs over its existence that weren't quite as stellar (pun totally intended :awesome:) as its usual level of quality, but overall it's fantastic. Guardians of the Galaxy is also amazing--probably better overall than Nova, in fact, because I can't remember a single arc of GotG that wasn't absolutely awesome, as opposed to what I just said about Nova.
*looks up Trouble*

:doh:

*walks away and never looks back*
Yeah, I started reading it because it was supposed to be some big new thing, and then when I realized what Millar seemed to be doing (although I don't think they ever came right out and said, "These are Spider-Man's parents, aunt, and uncle"), I dropped it and took several showers. But the awful feeling it left... that'll never wash away. :csad:

[Specter313]

Trouble. Mark Millar.

:csad:

Wow. Sounds like something that could have been as controversial as something like Sins Past if it was actually put into continuity.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think the only reason it wasn't is because they realized that.

[Manic]

It ranks right up there with DC's "Barbara Gordon is Jim Gordon's niece and he only adopted her to be his daughter, but she's really his daughter anyway because Jim slept with his brother's wife." Profoundly stupid, but doesn't change anything, so there's really no point.

[TheCorpulent1]

Gordon's a real a**hole when it comes to women. Kind of sad, given that he's such a stalwart, upstanding, and generally awesome human being in every other way.

[Tron Bonne]

Trouble. Mark Millar.

:csad:


*looks up Trouble*

:doh:

*walks away and never looks back*

I just looked it up myself. That's pretty..wow. Touche, Millar; I thought I couldn't think much lower of your work, but you showed me, yes you did, indeed

[Manic]

Gordon's a real a**hole when it comes to women. Kind of sad, given that he's such a stalwart, upstanding, and generally awesome human being in every other way.

Some of the greatest men in history couldn't handle marriage. Behind every great man is a great series of mistresses, history of physical abuse, divorce trial, or secret gay lover.

[TheCorpulent1]

True. But Gordon should be better. :csad:
I just looked it up myself. That's pretty..wow. Touche, Millar; I thought I couldn't think much lower of your work, but you showed me, yes you did, indeed
Yeah, hardly anyone ever mentions it, even if they're criticizing Millar. I think Spider-Man fans just collectively put it out of their minds to the extent that they've mostly forgotten about it.

[Scarecrow_King]

I remember seeing that thing on the shelves years ago, and had no idea what it was. I was just confused by the photo cover in which I think both of the girls have an uncanny resemblance to Alison Mack. I had no idea it was Millar. or related to Spider-Man at all. or horrible.

[TheCorpulent1]

It was all 3. Although, only on a technicality in the case of #2, since it was never explicitly stated.

[Tron Bonne]

So, they never said the last names of the characters or something?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think so. I don't remember, though.

[DawnWarrior]

Some of the greatest men in history couldn't handle marriage. Behind every great man is a great series of mistresses, history of physical abuse, divorce trial, or secret gay lover.
Thomas Jefferson and Lord Horatio Nelson, just off the top of my head.