The Official Stupid Question Thread: Marvel Edition

[TheCorpulent1]

Yep. Wow, you must not have read any Young Avengers comics before that, huh?

[DawnWarrior]

Yes. Yes they are.

[Aesop Rocks]

Nope. :o

Well more power to them.

They're the first same-sex(?) couple I've ran into and goddamn they're awesome. :awesome:

Spoons and Manic recommended that great 12 issue run, I read it and I was like "whoa whoa whoa wait a second".

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, yeah, did you also get the little joke about why Wiccan changed his name? :funny:

[Aesop Rocks]

I didn't. :/

[TheCorpulent1]

He changed it from "Asgardian." Say that out loud, remember Billy's gay, and then allow yourself a chuckle. :awesome:

[Specter313]

He changed it from "Asgardian." Say that out loud, remember Billy's gay, and then allow yourself a chuckle. :awesome:

:hehe: Been awhile since I heard that one.

[uchiha_itachi]

Any good Beta Ray Bill Hardbacks? I'm just watching Planet Hulk and he's clearly a badass lol

[Anubis]

Hard backs? I don't know about that. But for awesome Bill I would recommend the Simonson run where he debuted, kicking Thor's ass, Stormbreaker by Oeming, and the recent God Hunter mini.

[uchiha_itachi]

Ill get some of those then.

Which daredevil omnibus should i get the one by BMB or the Ed Brubaker one?

[uchiha_itachi]

Is nextwave in continuity?

[Ipodman]

Who is that on the last panel reveal of Avengers 1?

[Aesop Rocks]

Which Avengers 1?

[NightBeetle]

Who is that on the last panel reveal of Avengers 1?


A naked future Hulk? :huh:

[NightBeetle]

Which Avengers 1?

The new volume from Bendis and Romita Jr.

[Ipodman]

The Avengers #1.

The cover is Iron mAn, Thor, CAp,Wolverine and Spidey

The last panel seems like Hulk? Can someone enlighten me to who is that? Thanks

[Ipodman]

A naked future Hulk? :huh:

Orly....

So its a new character?

[TheCorpulent1]

It could be the Maestro, from Peter David's "Future Imperfect" story. Basically a Hulk who'd managed to reintegrate all of his personalities so that he had even more than the 616 Hulk's strength plus Banner's intelligence, but he was totally evil. He'd killed pretty much all of the other superheroes in his future.
Any good Beta Ray Bill Hardbacks? I'm just watching Planet Hulk and he's clearly a badass lol
Thor Visionaries: Walter Simonson vol. 1 (origin story)
Thor Visionaries: Walter Simonson vol. 2 (Bill returns to help Thor out in a fight on two fronts--Earth and Asgard--against Malekith and Surtur)
Stormbreaker: The Saga of Beta Ray Bill (what happened to Bill after Asgard was detroyed in Ragnarok)
Omega Flight (continues the Stormbreaker story a bit)
Secret Invasion: Thor (Bill returns after having been captured by the Skrulls)
Beta Ray Bill: Godhunter (Bill confronts his own anger and loss of faith after the destruction of his race)

That'll bring you up to the present. He appeared in SWORD and the Sif one-shot after Godhunter, but they're not absolutely necessary. You seem to be more of a trade reader and I have no idea what, if anything, that Sif comic would ever be collected in, either.

[Lucien]

The Sif one-shot is collected in the Thor: Latverian Prometheus trade, which also contains Thor #604-606.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, well that's handy. That's a good story in general, so feel free to pick that up too, uchiha. Bill basically comes to Earth looking for Thor, has an awkward meeting with Sif instead, and winds up getting Sif to help him out with some sci fi/alien craziness. It's fun, although it obviously focuses on Sif a lot more than Bill.

[uchiha_itachi]

Cheers Corp. I am more of a trade reader but I do pick up one shots sometimes and the odd single issue for the covers.

Ill be defo picking those up. So is Bill like an honorary Asgardian?

[TheCorpulent1]

More than that, Bill is an honorary brother of Thor. The other Asgardians consider Bill to be as noble and valiant as Thor himself. The only exception I can think of to Bill being treated as a full-fledged Asgardian is when Thor basically throws him out of Asgard during Ragnarok, and that was only so that Bill could be spared the gods' fate.

[Anubis]

Ill get some of those then.

Which daredevil omnibus should i get the one by BMB or the Ed Brubaker one?

Both. So start with BMB then get Bru's.

Is nextwave in continuity?

Depends on who you ask really. Ellis said it wasn't, but then douche bag Hudlin put Nextwave Monica into Black Panther. So I suppose it's up to whoever uses her or any other member of Nextwave next.

[Manic]

Is nextwave in continuity?

It shouldn't be. Ellis wrote the comic with the intention of it taking place out of continuity. It came out during Civil War, but never came within a mile of referencing that crossover.

However, other writers have referenced Nextwave's versions of Machine Man, Photon, and Meltdown/Tabby. So sadly, it is in continuity. Sorta. Somehow.

[Yodaman]

Does anyone happen to know who the writers on Age of Heroes #2 are?

[javi1024]

are Bishop and Rachel Summers from the same future?

[Manic]

are Bishop and Rachel Summers from the same future?

Nope.

Bishop's timeline is a potential future of the regular Marvel Universe. About 50+ years in the future, the sentinels are dispatched across the globe to find all mutants, brand them with the letter "M" on their face, and hold them in camps for the rest of their lives.

Rachel's future is the future of an entirely different universe. In Rachel's past, Jean Grey turned into the Phoenix without ever going Dark, Scott's only child is Rachel instead of Cable, Senator Kelly was assassinated by Mystique, and mutants were put into camps by the Sentinels a few decades sooner. There's no "M" branding on faces, though Rachel does have striped tattoos on her face to mark her as a "hound" who was used to hunt down other mutants.



Also, in Bishop's future, the X-Men were taken down by a traitor (Onslaught aka Professor X gone mad). In Rachel's future, the mansion was simply raided by Sentinels and Rachel was with Professor X at the time.

[Silicon Surfer]

IIRC, Jean did go dark in Rachel's timeline. Her timeline diverged from 616 during the battle on the moon. In 616 Scott was struck down by the Imperial Guard and the shock released the Phoenix. In Rachel's timeline Jean was struck down first and the Shiar burned the psionic centers out of her brain. Two timelines diverged from this point. One is Rachel's and the other is in a What IF?, in this one the Phoenix regenerated the damaged part of Jean's brain and she went dark again. That story ended with the Phoenix destroying that universe. Rachel's timeline ended with the nuclear destruction of that Earth when the rest of the world unleashed their combined nuclear arsenals to stop the Sentinels from expanding from North America to the rest of the world.

[javi1024]

Rachel's future is the future of an entirely different universe. In Rachel's past, Jean Grey turned into the Phoenix without ever going Dark, Scott's only child is Rachel instead of Cable, Senator Kelly was assassinated by Mystique, and mutants were put into camps by the Sentinels a few decades sooner. There's no "M" branding on faces, though Rachel does have striped tattoos on her face to mark her as a "hound" who was used to hunt down other mutants.
the same future we saw in Days of Future Past?

[Manic]

the same future we saw in Days of Future Past?

Yeah, that's exactly where she's from.

[javi1024]

so i guess she became a Hound after the end of that story.

[Franklin Richards]

What were the X-Men issues in the 90's or late 80's where Grown Up Franklin Richards from Rachael's universe came back and was a badass? His powers were off the chart.



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[Silicon Surfer]

He came back as a sort of ghost tapping into the Phoenix Force for a couple of issues I think. That may have been in FF. They were involved but I don't have a clue as to issue numbers.

[Franklin Richards]

It was definately X-Men and the arc was for 2 or 3 issues. He had a bit of a mullet and whenever he used his powers these Kirby Krackles would hover around him. He also revealed that the Sentinel didn't actually kill him he just transfered his consciousness or something.

I need an X-Men guru.


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[Specter313]

What were the X-Men issues in the 90's or late 80's where Grown Up Franklin Richards from Rachael's universe came back and was a badass? His powers were off the chart.



:ff: :ff: :ff:

Check out X-Factor Annual #5 and Uncanny X-Men Annual #14. I think that might be what you're looking for.

[Franklin Richards]

Ooohhh... that sounds like it might be the one. I always forget annuals.


On the hunt. Will let ya guys know.



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[KevanG]

http://uncannyxmen.net usuallly helps with x-men related stuff.

[Varient]

At the end of Secret Wars, when Thing decides to stay behind, Reed debates about telling Ben what he suspects about his transformations but decides against it because it'd devastate him. What was it Reed discovered?

I seem to recall that the big secret was that Ben could ALWAYS transform back and forth between being the Thing and being normal, but he had serious pske issues that prevented it.

..... It was over a ecade ago,.. so I could be wrong.

[Franklin Richards]

A grown up Franklin Richards was going to change Ben back to normal. But after touching his mind Franklin discovered that Ben had a mental block. Franklin then shared that information with Reed.

Ben's block revolved around Alicia. Ben had long suspected that Alicia was in love with "The Thing" and not plain ol' Ben Grimm. Alicia had even hinted at the fact a couple of times. Now whether that was a misunderstanding or not is up for debate but somewhere deep down Ben believed it. Ben loathed the Thing but loved Alicia. Therefore in fear of losing Alicia, Ben's mind did the only thing it could.


Reed knew this and didn't tell Ben.


Off on the Beyonder's Planet, Ben had started to grow apart from Alicia. Slowly but surely the block started to break down. After the other heroes left and Ben remained he even met another woman who he started to have feelings for. But Battleworld had unknown power and as he adventured there his block manifested into a sentient being.

Ben was trapped in the Thing's body and the block was in Ben's human form. I won't give you the details because it's a good read. But needless to say it came down to Ben defeating his alter ego. And when he did he "killed" Ben Grimm. Forever trapping him in his rocky form.

When Ben returned to Earth, Reed finally confided in him that he knew that Ben had a block concerning Alicia and his transformation. Ben went ape****. He proceeded to kick Reed's ass and blame him for trapping him in his rocky form. If Reed had told Ben he might never had manifested his alter ego on Battleworld and thereby would have never killed him.

Ben left and She-Hulk remained in the FF for years to come.


Just another chapter in the ****** life of Ben Grimm. But don't weep for Benjy. He NEVER gives up.


:thing: :thing: :thing:

[Shockdingo]

I loves ya ol' Benjy. :( This sounds like a great read! Can you tell me the issues this occurred in?

[Lucien]

I forgot all about that question, thanks for picking it back up.

I need some FF recommendations but I'll take that to the recommendations sticky.

[MrKeeno]

Does anyone know if there was graphic novel that was supposed to coincide with the incredible hulk movie, and if there was, does anyone know the title?

[Figs]

First question. The Avengers Kree/Skrull War takes place before Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War and Secret Wars right?

Scond question. I have all four of those stories as well as Avengers Disassembled, Civil War(including Road to Civil War and The New Avengers Illuminati). I also plan on getting House of M: Decimation, Secret Invasion and possibly Siege. What Marvel epics am I missing that would be required reading to keep up with everything going on to lead up to the recent Marvel Universe.

I've mainly only read Iron Man, X-Men and Spider-Man most of my life when it comes to Marvel comics. When it comes to other characters, i've only read random issues or stories here and there and would like to beef up my Marvel collection and knowledge since I love these stories that involve numerous characters.

[Manic]

Must... resist... urge... to bash... crossovers...

[Jordacar]

Definitely go after Ed Brubaker's run on Captain America. It may not be big crossover stuff, but it's chock full of great stories of a flagship character, and some of it ties into Civil War and other events.

Also, for your intergalactic Marvel fix, you can start with Annihilation.

[Figs]

Must... resist... urge... to bash... crossovers...

You don't like the epics that involve the whole Marvel Universe? :csad: Do you just stick to specific single characters like I used to?

Definitely go after Ed Brubaker's run on Captain America. It may not be big crossover stuff, but it's chock full of great stories of a flagship character, and some of it ties into Civil War and other events.

Also, for your intergalactic Marvel fix, you can start with Annihilation.

Thanks for the reply. Looking on Amazon.com they have Annihilation classic and Annihilation book 1, 2, etc....

I plan on getting the hardbound Annihilation classic but is the other one worth getting too?

[Manic]

You don't like the epics that involve the whole Marvel Universe? :csad: Do you just stick to specific single characters like I used to?

For the most part, yes.

I regret reading Avengers: Disassembled. I stopped reading Civil War before it was finished because I didn't like the mischaracterizations or the way superheroes fought each other harder than they ever fought their own villains. I'm glad I didn't read House of M because I ended up hating everything that book did to the X-Men franchise. I only read the Captain Britain, X-Men, and Hercules tie-ins to Secret Invasion, and I'm glad I didn't read the main miniseries after hearing about its ending and know how it led into Dark Reign. I liked Siege, though. I also enjoyed the X-Men events Utopia and Necrosha.

Most crossovers don't interest me. Some of them sound like plots that don't even warrant their own miniseries, which is probably why I enjoy the X-Men comics' format of simply telling stories across their existing titles.

[Figs]

For the most part, yes.

I regret reading Avengers: Disassembled. I stopped reading Civil War before it was finished because I didn't like the mischaracterizations or the way superheroes fought each other harder than they ever fought their own villains. I'm glad I didn't read House of M because I ended up hating everything that book did to the X-Men franchise. I only read the Captain Britain, X-Men, and Hercules tie-ins to Secret Invasion, and I'm glad I didn't read the main miniseries after hearing about its ending and know how it led into Dark Reign. I liked Siege, though. I also enjoyed the X-Men events Utopia and Necrosha.

If my X-men collection mainly consists of Uncanny X-men, would Necrosha(or Utopia as well)confuse me since the tpb say some of the issues that make up the story are from X-men Legacy? I've been mainly focusing on Batman and Iron Man lately regarding single characters issues so I have some big catching up to do with Uncanny X-men anyways, i'm only up to issue #500. :csad:

Most crossovers don't interest me. Some of them sound like plots that don't even warrant their own miniseries, which is probably why I enjoy the X-Men comics' format of simply telling stories across their existing titles.

Understandable

[javi1024]

First question. The Avengers Kree/Skrull War takes place before Infinity Gauntlet, Infinity War and Secret Wars right?

Scond question. I have all four of those stories as well as Avengers Disassembled, Civil War(including Road to Civil War and The New Avengers Illuminati). I also plan on getting House of M: Decimation, Secret Invasion and possibly Siege. What Marvel epics am I missing that would be required reading to keep up with everything going on to lead up to the recent Marvel Universe.

I've mainly only read Iron Man, X-Men and Spider-Man most of my life when it comes to Marvel comics. When it comes to other characters, i've only read random issues or stories here and there and would like to beef up my Marvel collection and knowledge since I love these stories that involve numerous characters.
im not extensively well-versed in the grand Marvel Universe, but whats helped me keep up is:

Avengers Disassembled
House of M (though i think that effected mutants more than anybody else)
Secret Wars
Civil War
The Death of Captain America
the events of "The Initiative"
World War Hulk
Secret Invasion
the events of "Dark Reign"
Dark Reign- The List (some of the stories)
Siege

and now we're on Heroic Age. Daredevil has a his own crossover-of-sorts called Shadowland coming up involving the street-level heroes.

[javi1024]

Understandable
it looks like you meant to post this

"If my X-men collection mainly consists of Uncanny X-men, would Necrosha(or Utopia as well)confuse me since the tpb say some of the issues that make up the story are from X-men Legacy? I've been mainly focusing on Batman and Iron Man lately regarding single characters issues so I have some big catching up to do with Uncanny X-men anyways, i'm only up to issue #500. :csad:"

after Manics post.

Necrosha is really a crossover between X-Force and New Mutants. they say Legacy is part of it too, but honestly it deals with its own story that has nothing to do with the main plot other than a villain being resurrected because of Necrosha. that being said, those issues are worth checking out in their own right.

Utopia on the other hand shares its story with Dark Avengers (which Fraction also wrote) and they feed right into each other. so those issues are required.

each crossover also has a stand-alone "Necrosha" and "Utopia" one-shot opening each story, and Utopia ends in a one-shot (Exodus) as well.

[Manic]

If my X-men collection mainly consists of Uncanny X-men, would Necrosha(or Utopia as well)confuse me since the tpb say some of the issues that make up the story are from X-men Legacy? I've been mainly focusing on Batman and Iron Man lately regarding single characters issues so I have some big catching up to do with Uncanny X-men anyways, i'm only up to issue #500.

You can read Utopia just fine if you only read Uncanny X-Men. You'd need to know who the Dark Avengers are, though.

Necrosha follows X-Force more than any other title.

[Figs]

im not extensively well-versed in the grand Marvel Universe, but whats helped me keep up is:

Avengers Disassembled
House of M (though i think that effected mutants more than anybody else)
Secret Wars
Civil War
The Death of Captain America
the events of "The Initiative"
World War Hulk
Secret Invasion
the events of "Dark Reign"
Dark Reign- The List (some of the stories)
Siege

When it comes to "The Death of Captain America" is the first tpb(issues 25-30)the one that deals with his actual death and everything after that(issues 31+)is with Bucky taking over?

I'm also trying to remember which story/epic was Hulk banished to that other planet?

[javi1024]

When it comes to "The Death of Captain America" is the first tpb(issues 25-30)the one that deals with his actual death and everything after that(issues 31+)is with Bucky taking over?
i only started reading Cap when Bucky took over (40 something?) but that sounds about right.
I'm also trying to remember which story/epic was Hulk banished to that other planet?
Planet Hulk

[Figs]

Thanks for the help everyone!

[Jordacar]

Is Silver Surfer's appearance in Planet Hulk before or after Annihilation?

[Anubis]

Before.

[WolfCypher]

Why is Quentin Beck alive?

[Anubis]

........Bush?

[uchiha_itachi]

Did anyone notice on one of the covers for cable 23 that cable is missing his freakin robotic arm?

what a F**k up lol

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe Fury hooked him up with a sweet flesh texture like he did Bucky.

[uchiha_itachi]

He was still travelling with hope for that issue.

I need to get back on Captain America..

[Jordacar]

Have Magneto and Doctor Strange ever met?

[Anubis]

Yeah, I believe he fought the Defenders once or twice.

[Artistsean]

I just read Spider-Man: Brand New Day vol. 1, and I have Brand New Day vol. 3, but I am missing vol. 2.
I think I did this on purpose, because I was told I didn't need to get it because of the Freak story. but what else happens in it that I might miss or need to know for vol. 3?

What happens with Mr. Negative?
What happens with the cops thinking Spider-Man's a killer?
What about the DB?
Jonah?
Peter and his life?
Besides the Freak story, can someone fill me in so I will not be missing anything good?

[Lucien]

I saw a scan posted on here once of Reed Richards talking to Franklin as he puts him to bed, explaining how he tried to make up for ruining the rest of the FF's lives by making them celebrities. Does anyone have it and know which FF run it comes from?

[TheCorpulent1]

Countdown to Franklin Richards' answer: 10... 9... 8...

;)

[Anubis]

Frankie couldn't be here. Eye liner incident. Don't ask.

He was talking to Val and it was in the first issue of Mark Waid andthe late great Mike Wieringo's run on the book so, issue 56 of Volume 3 I believe.

[Lucien]

I thought it might be, the art looked familiar. Thanks, I'll try and get a hold of it.

[Tron Bonne]

I just read Spider-Man: Brand New Day vol. 1, and I have Brand New Day vol. 3, but I am missing vol. 2.
I think I did this on purpose, because I was told I didn't need to get it because of the Freak story. but what else happens in it that I might miss or need to know for vol. 3?

What happens with Mr. Negative?
What happens with the cops thinking Spider-Man's a killer?
What about the DB?
Jonah?
Peter and his life?
Besides the Freak story, can someone fill me in so I will not be missing anything good?

Well, it's been awhile, but I'll try to answer the best I can (and I'm sorry if this rusty memory unintentionally spoils anything):

1. I'm not 100%, but I don't think Mr. Negative had much of, if any, role in that arc.
2. The whole Spider Tracker killer isn't addressed; that's something that's kind of in the background for quite some time.
3 & 4. The DB is taken over by this guy who turns it into this kind of sleazy tabloid rag after Jonah's heart attack
5. I'm pretty sure nothing really depends there during that arc

The only other things I remember to tell you is that a huge blizzard hits right at the end of the arc which leads into the next arc. Freak is in this cocoon thing, which will be taken care in a one-shot issue down the road.

Overall, like I said I may be misremembering, but I think the Freak is more or less a throwaway story.

[IBRAH08]

I've just started reading Marvel titles in addition to DC. What should I check out? Also, If I wanted to start reading X-Men should I pick up X-Men second coming and then X-Men #1 or what?

[javi1024]

I've just started reading Marvel titles in addition to DC. What should I check out? Also, If I wanted to start reading X-Men should I pick up X-Men second coming and then X-Men #1 or what?
yeah the new X-Men #1 is probably your best bet. right now theyre wrapping the Second Coming crossover so youll probably wanna wait two more weeks. if you want to know whats been going on in the X-universe you can read what's already been released from Matt Fraction's run that started with Uncanny #500. you can find all of it in hardcover/trade now. he's done something a little different with the mutants thats kinda split the fans down the middle but ive really been enjoying it. but if you wanna backtrack a bit and read a better, more "traditional" run check out Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men.

[uchiha_itachi]

I've just started reading Marvel titles in addition to DC. What should I check out? Also, If I wanted to start reading X-Men should I pick up X-Men second coming and then X-Men #1 or what?

Depends on how much current "history" you want to know about the MU?

[uchiha_itachi]

I know I asked this ages ago and I do apologise for not remembering which Daredevil omnibus is it best to pick up the Bendis one or the Brubaker one? I'll write it down this time.. lol

[Lucien]

Both are as phenominal as each other. Start waith Bendis/Maleev and make your way through to Brubaker/Lark.

[Judge Holden]

I've just started reading Marvel titles in addition to DC. What should I check out? Also, If I wanted to start reading X-Men should I pick up X-Men second coming and then X-Men #1 or what?

Well personally, i don't think any X-book has been worth reading for years...

You should check out Nova, Guardians of the Galaxy and the cosmic events like Annihilation and Realm of Kings if you want some good reading.

For humour/comedy and good story telling i'd also recommend Incredible Hercules and Deadpool.

[Jordacar]

I've just started reading Marvel titles in addition to DC. What should I check out? Also, If I wanted to start reading X-Men should I pick up X-Men second coming and then X-Men #1 or what?As far as X-books go, I would recommend checking out the back-catalog of the current X-Factor series. It's the only current X-book I will always buy without hesitation.

[IBRAH08]

Depends on how much current "history" you want to know about the MU?

No amount of continuity can scare me! :yay:
And thank you all for you recommendations.

[IBRAH08]

Double Post

[javi1024]

No amount of continuity can scare me! :yay:
And thank you all for you recommendations.
other popular suggestions:
Ed Brubaker's Captain America
Matt Fraction's Invincible Iron Man
J. Michael Strazynski's Thor
EVERYTHING Daredevil since the Marvel Knights reboot (1998- current)
Amazing Spider-Man post Brand New Day (preferably arcs written by Mark Waid, Fred VanLente, and Joe Kelly....also depends how strongly you feel about the Pete/MJ marriage and your ability to let go ...)

[uchiha_itachi]

No amount of continuity can scare me! :yay:
And thank you all for you recommendations.

haha thats alright then. I'll give you a few recommendations to get you started:

X-force vol1,2,3 ( current one )
Deadpool Vol1,2,3,4
Thor vol1,2,3
Cable vol1,2,3,4
X-force/cable messiah war
Captain America omnibus 1 and 2
Hulk: planet Hulk
Civil war
Secret warriors vol1,2

Those Imo are all pretty solid titles.

[javi1024]

haha thats alright then. I'll give you a few recommendations to get you started:

X-force vol1,2,3 ( current one )
Deadpool Vol1,2,3,4
Thor vol1,2,3
Cable vol1,2,3,4
X-force/cable messiah war
Captain America omnibus 1 and 2
Hulk: planet Hulk
Civil war
Secret warriors vol1,2

Those Imo are all pretty solid titles.
i enjoyed Kyle/Yost's X-Force, but i thought Messiah War was a waste of time.

[Saved]

i enjoyed Kyle/Yost's X-Force, but i thought Messiah War was a waste of time.
I heard nothing really happens in it, which turned me off from it because I wanted to see the story continue - is that true?

[Jordacar]

I heard nothing really happens in it, which turned me off from it because I wanted to see the story continue - is that true?Not entirely. Messiah War is more of a Cable/Hope story guest-starring X-Force, and it happens right in the middle of an X-Force story arc. Thanks to the magic of time travel, X-Force is able to pick up their story right where they left off.

[javi1024]

I heard nothing really happens in it, which turned me off from it because I wanted to see the story continue - is that true?
well the whole reason for the story was because it was the second act of the "Messiah Trilogy" (i.e. Messiah Complex, Messiah War, and Second Coming) so it was meant to move that mega-arc forward. but all it was was X-Force being forced into the future, meeting up with Cable and 8 yr old Hope and Deadpool (of course), and fighting Stryfe/Bishop. and something to do with Apocalypse which i never understood the purpose.

[IBRAH08]

haha thats alright then. I'll give you a few recommendations to get you started:

X-force vol1,2,3 ( current one )
Deadpool Vol1,2,3,4
Thor vol1,2,3
Cable vol1,2,3,4
X-force/cable messiah war
Captain America omnibus 1 and 2
Hulk: planet Hulk
Civil war
Secret warriors vol1,2

Those Imo are all pretty solid titles.

THanks. Yeah, after reading DC for several years Marvel's continuity is pretty straight forward and simple.

[javi1024]

THanks. Yeah, after reading DC for several years Marvel's continuity is pretty straight forward and simple.
well marvel has it's share of confusing characters (Psylocke, Magik, n Phoenix off the top of my head), but yeah trying to follow the DC universe gave me a headache, especially with Didio and Johns's campaign to bring back the silver age. throw in the fact that i hate time travel and alternate realities and i pretty much all but abandoned most of their books. if anyone can explain whats happened with the Flash family in the past 6 yrs without burning out his and the listeners brains deserves some kind of medal.

[Jordacar]

THanks. Yeah, after reading DC for several years Marvel's continuity is pretty straight forward and simple.Yeah, I own about a dozen volumes of Marvel Essentials, and exactly zero of DC Showcase. Reading the old Marvel stuff is much more rewarding because although it may be a bit dated, all that stuff is still basically in continuity and part of the established history. Not so much the case with DC.

[IBRAH08]

double post

[IBRAH08]

Triple post!

[IBRAH08]

well marvel has it's share of confusing characters (Psylocke, Magik, n Phoenix off the top of my head), but yeah trying to follow the DC universe gave me a headache, especially with Didio and Johns's campaign to bring back the silver age. throw in the fact that i hate time travel and alternate realities and i pretty much all but abandoned most of their books. if anyone can explain whats happened with the Flash family in the past 6 yrs without burning out his and the listeners brains deserves some kind of medal.
Yeah and they had and then abandoned the whole Time-Stream thing with Hypertime that I think is being downplayed now outside of Morrison. Although I actually like time travel and BS like that. I have since I was a little kid. And even worse than the Flash is Hawkman and Hawkwoman/girl. Take a look at their wikipedia page sometime.

Yeah, I own about a dozen volumes of Marvel Essentials, and exactly zero of DC Showcase. Reading the old Marvel stuff is much more rewarding because although it may be a bit dated, all that stuff is still basically in continuity and part of the established history. Not so much the case with DC.
Yeah. However being a Bat fan reading Morrison's work it is helpful to know as many old, obscure things from the past as you can

[Artistsean]

Well, it's been awhile, but I'll try to answer the best I can (and I'm sorry if this rusty memory unintentionally spoils anything):

1. I'm not 100%, but I don't think Mr. Negative had much of, if any, role in that arc.
2. The whole Spider Tracker killer isn't addressed; that's something that's kind of in the background for quite some time.
3 & 4. The DB is taken over by this guy who turns it into this kind of sleazy tabloid rag after Jonah's heart attack
5. I'm pretty sure nothing really depends there during that arc

The only other things I remember to tell you is that a huge blizzard hits right at the end of the arc which leads into the next arc. Freak is in this cocoon thing, which will be taken care in a one-shot issue down the road.

Overall, like I said I may be misremembering, but I think the Freak is more or less a throwaway story.

Thanks, I already read Brand New Day vol. 3, Kraven's First Hunt and am on to New Ways to Die (I think its called) and I don't feel like I have missed anything.
Thanks, i am sure you are right.

[Manic]

What the hell happened to Deathbird? I keep thinking she died during Vulcan's reign as emperor, but I'm not sure. I don't remember seeing her during Emperor Vulcan, Kingbreaker, or War of Kings.

[Specter313]

What the hell happened to Deathbird? I keep thinking she died during Vulcan's reign as emperor, but I'm not sure. I don't remember seeing her during Emperor Vulcan, Kingbreaker, or War of Kings.

She was stabbed by Lilandra in Kingbreaker #4 and has been in a coma/life support ever since.

[javi1024]

has the new Black Widow #3 come out yet? i decided to pick up the first issue recently and i really liked it, but im having trouble tracking down the following issues, and i keep getting conflicting reports from different LCS's.

[javi1024]

has Ms. Marvel and Rogue interacted at all recently? Carol hated Rogue for like 15 years, does she still hold a grudge?

[uchiha_itachi]

whats going on with Tony Stark now? has he got his extremis powers still?

[Tron Bonne]

has the new Black Widow #3 come out yet? i decided to pick up the first issue recently and i really liked it, but im having trouble tracking down the following issues, and i keep getting conflicting reports from different LCS's.

According to Marvel's website, it came out June 16th

[TheCorpulent1]

whats going on with Tony Stark now? has he got his extremis powers still?
No, but he found a way to use the existing changes Extremis made on his body to make a new liquid-esque armor that breaks down and hides in his blood when he's not using it. I don't really know why, but that's what happened.

[uchiha_itachi]

So now his whole armor is put away in his body?

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

How did Marvel win the lawsuit over the name "Captain Marvel" when Batson had been around for twenty-one years before Timely/Atlas started calling themselves "Marvel"?

[TheCorpulent1]

So now his whole armor is put away in his body?
Yep. It just "bleeds" out of his pores and covers him. It's relatively nasty to think about, but I guess it's more high-tech than just strapping on a bunch of metal.

[Panthro]

I'm behind on my X-Men trade paperbacks, are "Messiah Complex" and the Phoenix Warsong/Endsong books worth picking up?

[Manic]

Messiah Complex is a decent all-action book with a few WTF character moments, but it's also important to the overall X-Men franchise. Messiah Complex leads to the brief break-up of the X-Men that eventually led to the Manifest Destiny storyline of the X-Men moving to California. The central character MacGuffin of Messiah Complex is also an important character who comes back in X-Men: Second Coming (which will wrap up next week).

Phoenix Endsong and Warsong were supposed to be the first 2 parts of a trilogy, but they never finished it. It looks like they have no plans to finish it. They're confusing, they further complicate Jean Grey's connection to the Phoenix Force, and nothing is really accomplished in either story other than saying "Jean is still dead and is putting herself back together" and "Those creepy triplet girls at the X-Men's school have a silly origin."

[javi1024]

I'm behind on my X-Men trade paperbacks, are "Messiah Complex" and the Phoenix Warsong/Endsong books worth picking up?
Manic summed it up pretty nicely for you. Messiah Complex is a great story, lots of action, but its not a self-contained story. it relies pretty heavily on previous plot points and the MANY characters involved may require some familiarity with X-Men history.

i enjoyed Phoenix Endsong alot, it was more of a dramatic story than anything else. and honestly i think the LESS you know about Phoenix the easier it may be for you to enjoy (like its the direct sequel to the Dark Pheonix Saga.....20 yrs later, and just ignore everything else in between :oldrazz:). Warsong on the other hand was just meh. there is one detail about the Stepford Cuckoos that is reflected in the main books and we're still waiting to see if it goes somewhere.

[Panthro]

I see. Thank you gents. Now, what other necessary arcs should I read before Messiah Complex? I've got some of Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men, but is there anything else?

[javi1024]

I see. Thank you gents. Now, what other necessary arcs should I read before Messiah Complex? I've got some of Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men, but is there anything else?
youre good with Whedon's Astonishing run. theres a subplot with Mystique and Rogue in Messiah Complex that stems from Mike Carey's run on X-Men (before it was named Legacy). its not essential, but if youre curious read "Supernovas" and "Blinded by the Light".

[Manic]

Though it pains me to say it, it helps to know who the students are by reading some of Kyle & Yost's New X-Men: Childhood's End. I imagine it's a good read if you didn't read the New X-Men: Academy X stuff that came before it.

The entire run of the new X-Factor comic is great, but not necessary to read before you dive into Messiah Complex. All you need to know is that Multiple Man has started a new X-Factor that doesn't really get along with the X-Men, and the creepy little girl from House of M is his sidekick.

Oh, and skim through the last few pages of House of M if you haven't read that disaster of a crossover yet.

[TheCorpulent1]

"Those creepy triplet girls at the X-Men's school have a silly origin."
Haha, well now I gotta know. What is this new origin for the Stepford Cuckoos?

[Judge Holden]

As i've said before, i haven't read an X-book in years. But from what i have seen... i hate pretty much all these new little X-kids. No one would care about them if they weren't under the X umbrella.

[javi1024]

Haha, well now I gotta know. What is this new origin for the Stepford Cuckoos?
they're all "children" of Emma Frost. back when she was in that coma in the 90s her eggs were harvested by Dr. Sublime. they also found there were still thousands more clones in incubators in his lab which was later destroyed.

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, so they're Emma's brood, basically? Awesome.

[javi1024]

As i've said before, i haven't read an X-book in years. But from what i have seen... i hate pretty much all these new little X-kids. No one would care about them if they weren't under the X umbrella.
i think there's at least one X-kid for every one. i dont really care for Anole or Dust, i hate Rockslide, but i love Armor and Mercury.

[TheCorpulent1]

That David kid who stole Prodigy's name seems all right. Like a younger Beast, basically. Mercury's pretty cool too.

[Manic]

I like Prodigy, Anole, Armor, and Dust. I hate Onyxx, Bling!, Rockslide, and Ink. I can take or leave everyone else.

[Still A ThorFan]

How many Avenger titles are out now? If I am right is it Avengers, Avengers Prime and Mighty Avengers? Please help I lost track.

[Manic]

I think Mighty Avengers ended.

Avengers
New Avengers
Avengers Prime
Secret Avengers
Avengers Academy

[Doc Ock]

So I never really read much Captain America and I was looking through amazon at what was available and found this collection (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0785143416/ref=s9_simvh_se_p14_t1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=auto-no-results-center-1&pf_rd_r=0MDAB4CHB9H7619W8BNR&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=1263465782&pf_rd_i=red%20menace%20ultimate%20collection). So is this the first 14 issues of Captian America? As in the beginning of Ed Brubaker's run on the title?

[TheCorpulent1]

Ongoings
Avengers
New Avengers
Secret Avengers
Avengers Academy

Mini-Series
Avengers Prime
Avengers: The Children's Crusade

Unless I'm forgetting something...

I guess you could also count Ultimate Avengers, what with "Avengers" being in the title, but it has nothing to do with the main Avengers line.

[Anubis]

So I never really read much Captain America and I was looking through amazon at what was available and found this collection (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0785143416/ref=s9_simvh_se_p14_t1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=auto-no-results-center-1&pf_rd_r=0MDAB4CHB9H7619W8BNR&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=1263465782&pf_rd_i=red%20menace%20ultimate%20collection). So is this the first 14 issues of Captian America? As in the beginning of Ed Brubaker's run on the title?


Looks like just a collection of Winter soldier themed stories. I suggest you spend the cash on the Omnibus. First 25 issues from the start on threw to the death of Steve Rogers. Can't beat that.

[Jordacar]

Even if I was steaming rich I wouldn't buy Omnibus. It's just too...heavy. :waa:

[Anubis]

That's because you have wussy arms. You need a Shake Weight.

[IBRAH08]

That's because you have wussy arms. You need a Shake Weight.

:awesome:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbsSeVr5NSI
If you can watch it without laughing then you have no soul.

[Still A ThorFan]

I think Mighty Avengers ended.

Avengers
New Avengers
Avengers Prime
Secret Avengers
Avengers Academy

Thank you, or as we say here in the Bronx "Cat Daddy"

[Artistsean]

So I know that the Government in Marvel has tried to pass the Mutant Registration Act.
But have they tried to pass anything else?
Have laws been passed making it illegal for Mutants to get married?
Or a law that if a teacher or doctor discovers a child under 18 is a mutant they have to inform the parents and/or authorities?
Maybe a law forcing the patient donating blood or an organ to say if they are a mutant or not?
Have any other Mutant related laws been passed? Or attempted?

[Anubis]

They did pass the Mutant Registration Act.

[Artistsean]

Have there been any related acts? Like the ones I have mentioned or anything else?

[Punitore]

sorry, it's the wrong place but maybe someone here knows what i'm talking about... i need some info about a story that's probably the first captain america story i read (ages ago) ..i remember only that he was fighting a ..deformed man. this guy was hunchbacked just like the hunch back of notre dame and wore only hulk-like trousers, the skin was red like burnt but the most noticeable detail was that he had this strange long mouth dangling on a side... that's all i remember. i'd like to know who was the guy, the title of the story, maybe some pictures.. thank you!

[TheCorpulent1]

This is an excellent question for the Official Stupid Questions Thread (which doesn't necessarily require questions to be stupid; that's just our particular brand of 'wit' around here at work ;)). Merging...

[Brainiac 8]

Since I never watched it, and had thought about buying the first season when it comes out, why does everyone seem to hate Wolverine and the X-Men? What there something inherently wrong with it? Did it involve Xavier attempting to hook up with Jean?

[Manic]

I refused to watch it because it was putting Wolverine front and center as the leader of the X-Men, rather than Cyclops. I got enough of that crap from the movies, and I didn't want it in my animated series.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's basically my problem with it. It's a shameless reprioritization of the entire X-Men franchise around Wolverine. Granted, that's been happening in every medium since the '80s, but at least they usually don't throw it right in my face. Also, Cyclops is effectively role-reversed with Wolverine--so not only is Wolverine the stalwart leader upon whom everyone else relies, Cyclops is now the obnoxious, angry dick who wants nothing to do with anyone and is only grudgingly back on the team because it may possibly lead to him finding something out about Jean. Oh, and the whole future story with Chuck Xavier and Bishop was stupid from start to finish. It's a poor man's "Days of Future Past" without anything that made that story good.

That said, there were some good elements. Nightcrawler and Beast were great with what little time they had around Wolverine. Emma was closest to her comic counterpart. It was a pretty spot-on translation from comic to screen, so assuming you like Emma in the comics, you'll probably like her in the show. Kitty was okay. Um... yeah, I think that's about it.

[Brainiac 8]

I hated that they did that in the movies...so I'm not thinking I'll like that in the show. :(

I just started watching X-Men Evolution with my daughter on Hulu, and that was a different but fun take on the X-Men.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, it wasn't quite as egregious as they did it in the third movie. I mean, Cyclops at least gets to live in the cartoon, and putting aside that it's totally the wrong characterization for him, he makes a decent a**hole loner. But seriously, if I were inclined to walk out of movies at all (I'm not and never have), the moment Scott dies in X-Men 3 would've prompted me to just get up and leave. Nothing says "we f***ed the Dark Phoenix story up" in bright, neon letters like killing off the guy who's supposed to bring Jean back from that s***. It's one of those rare things I look back on and still have to facepalm at the sheer stupidity of it.

[Brainiac 8]

Oh, it wasn't quite as egregious as they did it in the third movie. I mean, Cyclops at least gets to live in the cartoon, and putting aside that it's totally the wrong characterization for him, he makes a decent a**hole loner. But seriously, if I were inclined to walk out of movies at all (I'm not and never have), the moment Scott dies in X-Men 3 would've prompted me to just get up and leave. Nothing says "we f***ed the Dark Phoenix story up" in bright, neon letters like killing off the guy who's supposed to bring Jean back from that s***. It's one of those rare things I look back on and still have to facepalm at the sheer stupidity of it.


X3 doesn't exist in my eyes. Yea, I was done with the movie as soon as they killed Cyclops. Then the movie just became Wolverine and Storm take Manhatten. God I hated that movie.

[Manic]

Just about the only thing I'll watch X-Men 3 for is the fight scenes. They were done better than the other movies.

[Jordacar]

For all its flaws, I still really enjoyed Wolverine and the X-Men. It was chock full of bold storytelling, and I loved the way it dove right into the story. I loved the writing, the action, the animation and just the all-around attention to detail. It's the closest we've gotten to the feel of a live-action series.

[Artistsean]

X3 would have been well and good if they hadn't killed off Xavier and Cyclops so early in the film, in my opinion. If Cyclops and Xavier where there the entire film, and maybe killed off in the big final fight scene with the Dark Phoenix then maybe I would have liked it more.
Imagine if the entire film Xavier is trying to psychically reach Jean, and Cyclops is troubled about her and leading the team against her.
Maybe in the end Cyclops even lives and is the one to kill Jean.
And the secret ending with Xavier would have been a lot better if his death happened closer to it, like during the final battle jean kills Xavier then they finally stop Jean and after the credits we get the Xavier secret ending.

So, besides the registration act being passed,
have any other Mutant related laws been passed or approached?
Like Forcing a teacher or doctor to inform the parents when they find out the sutdent/patient is a mutant?
Or, Mutants are not legally allowed to get married?
Or, an organ/blood donor must notify if they are or are not a mutant on the hospital forms?
Any laws besides the registration act?

[venom892]

so speaking of Wolverine I'm a fan of his but don't think anyone has written him right in a while except Jason Aaron.I would like to read some more good wolverine stories(I've read Logan,Weapon X and the Claremont/Miller mini)I hear Larry Hama had a good run on the book.any truth to that?

[TheCorpulent1]

I remember enjoying Hama's Wolverine back in the day. I was pretty young and can't recall too many specifics, but I remember liking Elsie Dee and Albert a lot. :)

If you've never read Barry Windsor-Smith's Weapon X stories, I'd highly recommend them. Best Wolverine stories I've ever read, bar none.

[Panthro]

That's basically my problem with it. It's a shameless reprioritization of the entire X-Men franchise around Wolverine. Granted, that's been happening in every medium since the '80s, but at least they usually don't throw it right in my face. Also, Cyclops is effectively role-reversed with Wolverine--so not only is Wolverine the stalwart leader upon whom everyone else relies, Cyclops is now the obnoxious, angry dick who wants nothing to do with anyone and is only grudgingly back on the team because it may possibly lead to him finding something out about Jean. Oh, and the whole future story with Chuck Xavier and Bishop was stupid from start to finish. It's a poor man's "Days of Future Past" without anything that made that story good.

That said, there were some good elements. Nightcrawler and Beast were great with what little time they had around Wolverine. Emma was closest to her comic counterpart. It was a pretty spot-on translation from comic to screen, so assuming you like Emma in the comics, you'll probably like her in the show. Kitty was okay. Um... yeah, I think that's about it.
I agree.

Question: does Cyclops hooking up with Emma Frost reinforce the stereotype that he needs female companionship in order to function? :cwink:

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, I didn't think that stereotype really applied to Scott before you mentioned it. Looking back on Emma, Madelyne Pryor, and Jean, I guess he does tend to bounce directly from one woman to the next. Then again, he was the biggest overachiever among the Xavier Institute students before he ever actually had the courage to ask Jean out, so I don't know if it's necessary for him to function, I think he just sees himself as one half of a relationship and doesn't really know how to be an independent person. Happens to a lot of people who bounce from one relationship to the next throughout life.

[Manic]

So, besides the registration act being passed,
have any other Mutant related laws been passed or approached?
Like Forcing a teacher or doctor to inform the parents when they find out the sutdent/patient is a mutant?
Or, Mutants are not legally allowed to get married?
Or, an organ/blood donor must notify if they are or are not a mutant on the hospital forms?
Any laws besides the registration act?

There was Operation: Zero Tolerance, where the government tried to hunt down all of the mutants.

Outside of the usual "kill them all" and "round them up" policies, I don't think there have been too many laws to discriminate against mutants.

[javi1024]

So, besides the registration act being passed,
have any other Mutant related laws been passed or approached?
Like Forcing a teacher or doctor to inform the parents when they find out the sutdent/patient is a mutant?
Or, Mutants are not legally allowed to get married?
Or, an organ/blood donor must notify if they are or are not a mutant on the hospital forms?
Any laws besides the registration act?
recently Simon Trask tried to get Proposition X passed with the government. it wouldve required all remaining mutants to go on chemical birth control so that incidents like the mutant birth in Cooperstown, Alaska wouldn't happen again.

[Panthro]

I don't know, I didn't think that stereotype really applied to Scott before you mentioned it. Looking back on Emma, Madelyne Pryor, and Jean, I guess he does tend to bounce directly from one woman to the next. Then again, he was the biggest overachiever among the Xavier Institute students before he ever actually had the courage to ask Jean out, so I don't know if it's necessary for him to function, I think he just sees himself as one half of a relationship and doesn't really know how to be an independent person. Happens to a lot of people who bounce from one relationship to the next throughout life.
I guess it's kind of an offshoot of the stereotype that has long plagued his character: "that Scott is nothing without Jean", then what happens after he lost Jean the second time? He falls in bed with Emma Frost, with whom he'd had the affair of dirty thoughts. I guess that's supposed to be irony, that after all the years of sexual tension between Jean and "bad boy" Wolverine she ultimately ended up losing Scott to "bad girl" Emma. Or maybe it was an attempt to push him away from the "needs Jean" stereotype, I don't know.

"Wolverine & the X-Men" took that stereotype to an offensive extreme and is one of the reasons why I'm actually sort of glad it won't be returning.

[javi1024]

what happened with the Dark Avengers after Siege? i know i see Bullseye back in costume in Shadowland, but what about like Venom and Daken?

[Lucien]

Just finished reading Waid and Wieringo's FF run and dear lord it was great stuff! How/when did Galen turn back into Galactus afterwards though? In Mark Waid's commentary in the back it said it was to happen in another comic about a week after the event in the FF..

[Anubis]

I don't believe it was ever shown. It just kinda happened off panel.

[Lucien]

Shame. Do you know which comic it was that he reappeared then?

[Anubis]

I think the first time he showed up again after that was....freakin' Annihilation.

[Lucien]

Really!? Can't believe they jumped straight into Annihilation without any reference to it. Craziness lol.

[Anubis]

I don't know. Coulda actually been handled somewhere else. I remember at the time there was a second FF book with fantastic art and a stupid premise where they were living in the suburbs or something. Didn't read it. Didn't fit with continuity. Maybe they covered it. Doubt it. I know JMS didn't cover it during his run either.

[TheCorpulent1]

Not the suburbs. They were still in the Baxter Building, they were just broke. I hear it got good later on, but its first arc was so horrible that I dropped it and never looked back around #2 or 3.

[Manic]

Wasn't that Marvel Knights 4?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yep. Terrible.

[Scarecrow_King]

the art was good at least.

[Scarecrow_King]

who did write MK 4? was it Mark Millar?

[Anubis]

Yeah, but a well drawn piece of s**t is still a piece of s**t. :o

Oh and, That guy whose name I can't spell. Assacasi-something something or whatevs.

[TheCorpulent1]

who did write MK 4? was it Mark Millar?
Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa.

[Anubis]

Well, I had most of the right letters. :awesome:

[TheCorpulent1]

Points for slipping an "ass" in there, too. :up:

[Franklin Richards]

It had a nice Namor / Reed battle. It wasn't ALL suck.


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[TheDarkKnight08]

Where is Hank Pym in the Marvel universe right now?

[Manic]

Where is Hank Pym in the Marvel universe right now?

Teaching. He's starring in Avengers Academy.

[TheDarkKnight08]

Teaching. He's starring in Avengers Academy.

Ehh. And is Avengers Academy any good so far?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes.

[Alastor]

It and Secret Avengers are really good reads. I cannot stress how awesome I think Secret Avengers is, even two issues in.

[Manic]

Secret Avengers had me at "well-drawn Beast."

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, I give Secret Avengers a pass on "well-drawn" anything since Mike Deodato's drawing it and I hate his style. But otherwise, yes, it's great. :up:

[Manic]

I normally don't like Deodato's "action figure with loose joints" artwork, but his Hank is just magnificent.

http://www.numutant.net/reviews/marvel/sa1_beast.jpg

[Specter313]

Oh, but I'm sure this iteration of Beast is just your fav:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TEoH2Eg8LgA/SwcBuIC--rI/AAAAAAAAB78/N3pbjkfYUo4/s1600/beast.jpg

[Manic]

We don't talk about that rendition of Beast.

[Alastor]

Whoa thats awful...Deodato's Beast is awesome though. I don't love his work, but he really nails Beast.

[Specter313]

Heh, yeah, I think when that art came out, any momentum the SWORD series had going for it died a quick death.

[Aesop Rocks]

If Silver Surfer was Galactus' herald, why didn't Galactus just kill him when he betrayed him?

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Oh, but I'm sure this iteration of Beast is just your fav:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_TEoH2Eg8LgA/SwcBuIC--rI/AAAAAAAAB78/N3pbjkfYUo4/s1600/beast.jpg
Looks like the Philosoraptor.

[Franklin Richards]

Because Galactus incorporated the Surfer into his very being when he made him his Herald. Killing the Surfer would be killing a portion of his power. It would be like asking us to remove our arm or leg. Not too smart. Even if the leg went rogue.

:D


:ff: :ff: :ff:

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, he didn't give him that much of his power. It's more like cutting off a finger or maybe his big toe. :)

[TheDarkKnight08]

How is Iron Man Legcay? I caught the first issue and was a bit disheartened and was wondering if it's improved lately.

[sdc10]

What is the deal with the whole "arc reactor" in the Iron man comics? Do i have this right? Pepper needed a magnet placed in her chest to save her life, then stark needed it placed in him to "bring him back" and this is also what gives him his new powers?. If thats the case, how is Pepper alive without it?

[Anubis]

The "arc reactor" was added as a shameless plug in to the movie. All it was was a magnet basically that kept the shrapnel out of their hearts long enough for them to survive. Pepper's wasn't as bad as Tony's was back when he needed such things to live, and they were able to remove it once she was healthy enough to survive it. Stark on the other hand didn't get all these special powers due to the arc reactor, he got it because he still had all that s**t inside him from Extremis.

[Ipodman]

With all the Thanos in Thor talk going on, I admit I know nuts about Thanos.

What do I read to get my Thanos on??! :)

[TheCorpulent1]

The Infinity Gauntlet, primarily. He had a lot of decent appearances elsewhere, but The Infinity Gauntlet was his big breakout moment and it's the only one I'm sure is collected into a trade.

[Aesop Rocks]

How many issues is that?

[Aesop Rocks]

Oh and you can read Thanos is The Thanos Initiative.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he's currently appearing there. I assumed Ipodman was asking about classic appearances to get a sense of why people like Thanos.

And it was 6 issues.

[Aesop Rocks]

Thanks! :atp:

Thanos Initiative is amazing though.

[Ipodman]

The Infinity Gauntlet, primarily. He had a lot of decent appearances elsewhere, but The Infinity Gauntlet was his big breakout moment and it's the only one I'm sure is collected into a trade.

You mean this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Infinity_Gauntlet

Funny, there is a hardcover August 2010 listed.... Yarly

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah, I heard they were re-releasing it. Didn't know it was so close.
Thanks! :atp:

Thanos Initiative is amazing though.
Thanos Imperative.

You follow me?

:o

[Ipodman]

Yeah, he's currently appearing there. I assumed Ipodman was asking about classic appearances to get a sense of why people like Thanos.

And it was 6 issues.

I'm asking about anything acutally haha... will probably check out that Infinity Gaunlet.

I remember seeing Thanos in Annihilation but never really liked him so much.

Thanks! :atp:

Thanos Initiative is amazing though.

Can't find anything on google about that....

[Aesop Rocks]

Ugh, yeah, I got it confused. RainbowCorpulant1 is right.

[TheCorpulent1]

You mean this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Infinity_Gauntlet

Funny, there is a hardcover August 2010 listed.... Yarly
Yep. You might want to look into The Rebirth of Thanos too:

http://www.amazon.com/Silver-Surfer-Rebirth-Premiere-Classic/dp/0785144781/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280279587&sr=8-1

Collects a few Thanos appearances before The Infinity Gauntlet that lead directly into that story.

[Ipodman]

I think Aesop Rocks was talking about....

THE THANOS IMPERATIVE
http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=15632


And I like the DC online catalog better... you actually get to navigate to future or past issues, and very easily because the covers are laid out for you
http://www.dccomics.com/dcu/comics/?cm=14486

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, it'd be nice if Marvel did that. Still, you can always just go to the next month and do a ctrl+F.

[Ipodman]

Why are they releasing this in Hardcover? I thought they usually do the hardcover first, then the softcover. Hmm.

The half colour version: http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=14758

The full black version: http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=14757

[TheCorpulent1]

First time it's been collected again in about 10 years, I think.

[Ipodman]

Yea... they usually do the black cover hc version for what they called the "Marvel Classics" or something.

I've stopped buying collected editions for a while... but now I may go back to it for the ones I dont have to follow every month. Nova for example. I just wanna read the whole arc in one go.

[Shockdingo]

Speaking of Thanos, I've got a question. What issue of the Incredible Hulk and other titles, did Thanos do the whole kill half the universe thing? I remember Rick suddenly disappearing in front of Banner of something.

Thanks in advance.

[Jordacar]

Speaking of Thanos, I've got a question. What issue of the Incredible Hulk and other titles, did Thanos do the whole kill half the universe thing? I remember Rick suddenly disappearing in front of Banner of something.

Thanks in advance.Infinity Gauntlet

[Lucien]

Have the Sentinals, or any other anti-mutant factions gone after Franklin Richards before?

[javi1024]

don't know if this counts, but in Days of Future Past im pretty sure he was killed by Sentinels.

[Yodaman]

What's Tony Stark's favorite drink?

[Anubis]

Water with an olive in it.

[Silicon Surfer]

Whatever's in reach at the moment

[Panthro]

Is it Red Menace then Winter Soldier or does Winter Soldier precede Red Menace?

[Jordacar]

Winter Soldier kicks off Brubaker's run. Red Menace is the follow-up.

[Tron Bonne]

What exactly is the deal with the whole SHIELD/Hydra recton in Secret Warriors? Is it really as simple as SHIELD was part of Hydra all along or is there more to it than that?

[uchiha_itachi]

I think it is as simple as that...and it isn't at the same time.

There's a diagram that kinda made it make a lil more sense for me. So Hydra could control the flow of information they set up SHIELD to keep tabs on the worlds law enforcement etc. Think about how much info SHIELD had on everyone? Kinda makes sense...


It's still stupid though.....

[Panthro]

Winter Soldier kicks off Brubaker's run. Red Menace is the follow-up.
Thank you.

Is "X-Men: Children of the Atom" worth reading?

[maenalus]

What's Marvel?

[IBRAH08]

I don't get it..........?

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

It's a stupid Marvel question.

[IBRAH08]

oooooooo :awesome:

[Anubis]

Thank you.

Is "X-Men: Children of the Atom" worth reading?


Yes. Very much so.

[The Question]

I think it is as simple as that...and it isn't at the same time.

There's a diagram that kinda made it make a lil more sense for me. So Hydra could control the flow of information they set up SHIELD to keep tabs on the worlds law enforcement etc. Think about how much info SHIELD had on everyone? Kinda makes sense...


It's still stupid though.....

How does that retcon work with the whole "S.H.I.E.L.D. was never actually a UN military/intelligence service, but a secret society of free thinkers and futurists dating back to ancient Egypt who's goal is to protect mankind from the supernatural who've been posing as a UN military/intelligence service for the past 50 years"?

[Manic]

Didn't SHIELD magically transform into an exclusively American intelligence/military force out of ****ing nowhere?

[TheCorpulent1]

No, SHIELD was still a UN organization up to its demise. It became more America-centric over the years, but Bendis explained that away by claiming the US provided the majority of its funding, resources, and personnel, which kind of makes sense given that it uses Stark technology, has a largely American staff, etc. The US pulled its funding and that was enough for the UN to just dissolve SHIELD altogether rather than maintain it as a hugely diminished organization, I guess. It seems they fell back on GRAMPA and the individual countries' alphabet agencies, if Mighty Avengers and MI-13 are any indication.

As for the retcons in the SHIELD comic, it seems the Brotherhood of the Shield and SHIELD are two different things. The Shield goes back to Imhotep, but I suppose it's still possible that HYDRA could have set SHIELD up in order to keep intelligence agencies off its back. How the Shield and SHIELD connect, we still don't know because Hickman's apparently having too much fun building all kinds of sci fi/mystical wackiness up in SHIELD that he can't seem to find his way to any kind of point in the narrative.

[TimBisley]

I'm loving Hickman's SHIELD. Its fun and different, and the art is excellent. I like the idea of these historical figures (who were exceptional in the real world) being even more exceptional in the Marvel Universe.

Also, I think Tony Stark's favorite drink is a Shaved Russian.

[Jordacar]

What do we figure is the age difference between Luke Cage and Danny Rand? Did Cage call him "kid" a lot when they first met?

[Anubis]

Danny's 31, I don't know how old Luke is supposed to be. I always thought they were the same age.

[TheCorpulent1]

Me, too. I thought they were both early 30s.

[Panthro]

If I were to read X-Men: X-Cutioner's Song, is there anything I should pick up & read before hand? What about follow up books?

Or is the 90s era of X-Men not worth revisiting?

[Blackman]

Did Deadpool ever work with The Brotherhood?

[Lobo]

What are the essential Wonder Man stories?

[javi1024]

If I were to read X-Men: X-Cutioner's Song, is there anything I should pick up & read before hand? What about follow up books?

Or is the 90s era of X-Men not worth revisiting?
the 90s X-Men is totally worth reading. Lobdell is probably my favorite writer of the series, if not Whedon. i havent read all of X-Cutioner's Song so i really cant comment, but from what i know of the story there's nothing required beforehand, just know that back in the 80s Cyclops and Madelyn Pryor had a baby, Nathan, was forced to send him to the future, and he later returned a soldier (Cable).

[TheCorpulent1]

What are the essential Wonder Man stories?
Only one I can think of off the top of my head is the first arc of Busiek and Perez's Avengers after Heroes Reborn. That's the one where Wonder Man comes back from the dead. Other than that, I can only vaguely recall Wonder Man being an important part of various Avengers West Coast stories and whatever earlier comics established him and the Beast as one of the more beloved buddy duos (which was before my time, so I've never actually read them).

[WolfCypher]

Are there any differences between Ultimate Green Hulk & Ultmate Gray Hulk?

[Anubis]

One is green and one is gray? :)

I think the gray one is a cannibal.

[JImmyk]

Hey, I was just wondering if you guys could help me out. I'm new and I was wondering if you guys could recommend any Iron man, X-men, and avengers books to me? Thanks for anything.

[TheCorpulent1]

One is green and one is gray? :)

I think the gray one is a cannibal.
Dude, it's the Ultimate universe. They're both cannibals. :o

[Drz]

Are there any differences between Ultimate Green Hulk & Ultmate Gray Hulk?

Gray One could speak more properly, but was still controlled by his inner emotions such as sex, hunger and violence. At the end of Ultimates 2 he became more incontrol of himself tho.

[Nivek]

Are there any differences between Ultimate Green Hulk & Ultmate Gray Hulk?

If Miller is writing him, depends if he is writing him as Alan Moore's Mr. Hyde, or another lame take on a Smart Hulk.

[TheCorpulent1]

If Miller is writing him, depends if he is writing him as Alan Moore's Mr. Hyde, or another lame take on a Smart Hulk.
Lame what, now? The smart Hulks are the only ones worth a damn given that they're actual characters with personalities as opposed to dumb green plot devices. :o

[NightBeetle]

Smart Hulks > Retarded Hulks :o

[javi1024]

Hey, I was just wondering if you guys could help me out. I'm new and I was wondering if you guys could recommend any Iron man, X-men, and avengers books to me? Thanks for anything.
check out Invincible Iron Man by Matt Fraction. i havent read it myself, but i only hear good things about it. im pretty sure the first couple issues have been collected in an omnibus already.

the X-Men have been a touchy subject on the boards lately. the status quo of the books has been dividing fans of the series for a couple years now- i, for one, like it. if your completely new to them you can just jump right on board with last months issue of Uncanny X-Men (also written by Fraction) and the newly relaunched X-Men #1 (issue #2 comes out today as well). there's also X-Men Legacy but it relies heavily on continuity. if you feel you need to catch up to what theyve been up to that past couple years for some foundation you can go back to Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men, Messiah Complex, Utopia, Nation X, and Second Coming (all available in collections minus the last).

the Avengers have also had a relaunch with all three main books on their third issue, i believe. all these books are being written by Brian Michael Bendis (whos been in control of the franchise for the last 6 years). "Avengers" is the classic-feeling book of the franchise with Iron Man, Cap, and Thor. Secret Avengers is Steve Rogers' secret covert-ops team of Avengers with guys like Black Widow, War Machine, and Moon Knight. New Avengers is what Bendis has been doing for with his "rogue" Avengers Luke Cage, Spider-Man, and Ms. Marvel. if you need back ground on these without going TOO far back- Secret War, Civil War, Secret Invasion, and Siege.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ed Brubaker is writing Secret Avengers.

[Nivek]

Lame what, now? The smart Hulks are the only ones worth a damn given that they're actual characters with personalities as opposed to dumb green plot devices. :o

I said a lame attempt at a Smart Hulk (or Banner Hulk as the type of persona is usually called). Miller writes the character as bland and very "meh, seen this before", instead of doing anything new with it (outside of rape, murder, and cannibalism).

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, my bad, I thought you were saying all the smart Hulks were lame.

[Nivek]

Oh, my bad, I thought you were saying all the smart Hulks were lame.

Loved the "Smart"/Merged Hulk from PAD's run, Mantlo's Banner Hulk was "meh" till the Nightmare storyline, and Jenkins just didn't get the character and making the Merged Hulk "The Professor" just irritated the hell out of me and turned me on him.

My favorite persona has always been Gravage, or the Grey Hulk.

[javi1024]

Ed Brubaker is writing Secret Avengers.
whoops, how did i forget that. thats the reason i picked up the book.:oldrazz:

[TheCorpulent1]

Mine's the moderately intelligent Bannerless Hulk who stayed behind on the main Earth during Heroes Reborn. Green Scar's up there, too. I like the merged Hulk, but I feel like giving the Hulk Banner's intelligence is too easy. It effectively just makes him Banner in a huge, super-strong body as opposed to his own character.

[Nivek]

Mine's the moderately intelligent Bannerless Hulk who stayed behind on the main Earth during Heroes Reborn. Green Scar's up there, too. I like the merged Hulk, but I feel like giving the Hulk Banner's intelligence is too easy. It effectively just makes him Banner in a huge, super-strong body as opposed to his own character.


Yeah, I loved that "Gravage Unleashed" Hulk from the HR era too. I'm more of a fan that likes having an irritable, mean, but somewhat intellegent Hulk (like the Grey, but with the greens body & strength levels). I don't care for the savage Hulk much, due to so many writers since the 80's not getting how the character works (he is not baby-brained or retarded). I hope Pak stays on, I loved Planet Hulk/ WWH and he respects continuity, but hate that he had to work with Loebs pile of Red crap. I just want a Hulk who is a threat to everyone, if you are on his wrong side. And I want Duality and transformations in his relationship with Banner.

But then, I also think that the Hulk IS Banner, but in the purest primal form. Thats why cures don't take, because the Hulk persona IS the core personality. That is why I can't stand it when Marvel has people turn into Hulks (like currently) and run around all big & green with muscles saying stuff like "Spidey-Hulk Smash". Just shows a complete disregard for the character. Like anyone who picks up Thors hammer turning directly into Thor himself.

[WolfCypher]

Mine's the moderately intelligent Bannerless Hulk who stayed behind on the main Earth during Heroes Reborn. Green Scar's up there, too. I like the merged Hulk, but I feel like giving the Hulk Banner's intelligence is too easy. It effectively just makes him Banner in a huge, super-strong body as opposed to his own character.

My thoughts exactly...

...well, I'd place Green Scar in #1 and post-Heroes Reborn at #2.

[Figs]

I had a question if these tpb's were in the proper order. I haven't read all of them yet but this is the order I have them in.

Annihilation(has one of the first battles between Thanos and Drax as well as the origin/beginning of Warlock)
Rebirth of Thanos
Secret Wars
Infinity Gauntlet
Infinity War
Avengers Disassembled
House of M
Civil War
Siege
Death of Captain America
World War Hulk

I've already read Secret Wars, Infinity Gauntlet/War, Avengers Disassembled, Civil War and World War Hulk.

[Anubis]

I don't know about that first one. Unless there is another cosmic epic called Annihilation, that s**t went down around the same time Civil War went down.

[javi1024]

I had a question if these tpb's were in the proper order. I haven't read all of them yet but this is the order I have them in.

Annihilation(has one of the first battles between Thanos and Drax as well as the origin/beginning of Warlock)
Rebirth of Thanos
Secret Wars
Infinity Gauntlet
Infinity War
Avengers Disassembled
House of M
Civil War
Siege
Death of Captain America
World War Hulk

I've already read Secret Wars, Infinity Gauntlet/War, Avengers Disassembled, Civil War and World War Hulk.
all i can tell you is Siege goes on the bottom of that list.

[Anubis]

Yeah, that too. Didn't notice that.

[Figs]

Thanks for the help guys.

Anubis, that Annihilation tpb is a collection of stories. Some are weird as hell, one with some racoon guy and the first story is a bug dude that is time traveling and happens to witness the creation/beginnings of most of the great Marvel characters. So I guess those two stories I mentioned in my original post are going to be out of place being in that collection.

[Anubis]

You must be talking about this:http://www.amazon.com/Annihilation-Classic-TPB-Todd-Dezago/dp/0785134107/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1281676336&sr=8-8

That's kind of a collection of stories with characters that are important to the Annihilation events. Like Rocket Racoon, Adam Warlock, and Bug. It's not an event or anything, just a primer if you will. Something to get you up to speed on who's who in the Annihilation Events. What you're looking for would probably have been this: http://www.amazon.com/Annihilation-Book-1-Bk/dp/0785129014/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1281676336&sr=8-1

followed by book two and three, Then Annihilation Conquest then War of Kings.

Annihilation, the first event, would go in after or before Civil War.

[Figs]

You must be talking about this:http://www.amazon.com/Annihilation-Classic-TPB-Todd-Dezago/dp/0785134107/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1281676336&sr=8-8

That's kind of a collection of stories with characters that are important to the Annihilation events. Like Rocket Racoon, Adam Warlock, and Bug. It's not an event or anything, just a primer if you will. Something to get you up to speed on who's who in the Annihilation Events. What you're looking for would probably have been this: http://www.amazon.com/Annihilation-Book-1-Bk/dp/0785129014/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1281676336&sr=8-1

followed by book two and three, Then Annihilation Conquest then War of Kings.

Annihilation, the first event, would go in after or before Civil War.

Hahaha, that first link is indeed the book I have. I got it because of the first fight between Thanos and Drax as well as Warlock.

I'll check out the proper ones.

[Anubis]

Glad I could help. There's a few others that might be good for you. Drax had a mini a bit before Annihilation, which will explain his new appearance and personality. Thanos also had a series that leads right into Annihilation. It should only be about two trades. It's quite a bit of stuff, but hey, that's comics. An expensive, addictive habit that should probably be outlawed.