The Official Stupid Question Thread: Marvel Edition

[Figs]

Glad I could help. There's a few others that might be good for you. Drax had a mini a bit before Annihilation, which will explain his new appearance and personality. Thanos also had a series that leads right into Annihilation. It should only be about two trades. It's quite a bit of stuff, but hey, that's comics. An expensive, addictive habit that should probably be outlawed.

I hear that, got about 24 trades on my wishlist at Amazon with a number of others preordered.

I take it this is the Drax mini?
http://www.amazon.com/Drax-Destroyer-Earth-Fall-TPB/dp/0785118063/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1281677924&sr=1-1

[Jow Strummer]

It's worth spending money on Annihilation though...

[Anubis]

Yeah, it was awesome.

I hear that, got about 24 trades on my wishlist at Amazon with a number of others preordered.

I take it this is the Drax mini?
http://www.amazon.com/Drax-Destroyer-Earth-Fall-TPB/dp/0785118063/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1281677924&sr=1-1


Yup.

[Jow Strummer]

Is his appearance in Conquest Cosmo's first ever appearance? He's awesome, was wondering if there was any obscure appearances in the past?

[TheCorpulent1]

I had a question if these tpb's were in the proper order. I haven't read all of them yet but this is the order I have them in.

Annihilation(has one of the first battles between Thanos and Drax as well as the origin/beginning of Warlock)
Rebirth of Thanos
Secret Wars
Infinity Gauntlet
Infinity War
Avengers Disassembled
House of M
Civil War
Siege
Death of Captain America
World War Hulk

I've already read Secret Wars, Infinity Gauntlet/War, Avengers Disassembled, Civil War and World War Hulk.
Annihilation Classic (has stories from various years, so you can basically put it wherever you want)
Secret Wars
Silver Surfer: The Rebirth of Thanos
Infinity Gauntlet
Infinity War
Avengers Disassembled
House of M
Civil War
Death of Captain America
World War Hulk
Siege

[DawnWarrior]

You probably want to add Secret Invasion to that reading list, right between World War Hulk and Siege.

[Figs]

You probably want to add Secret Invasion to that reading list, right between World War Hulk and Siege.

Those were just the books I already own. I preordered the Hardcover copy of Secret Invasion from Amazon. It says it comes out in September but still doesn't have a pic for it which means it might get pushed back since it's possible it's not even finished being put together.

Once again thanks for the help everyone! I've been trying to catch up in the overall Marvel Universe after taking a comic hiatus in the late '90s when I was in highschool and in my early 20's.

[TheCorpulent1]

Dang. Long time off.

[Figs]

Dang. Long time off.

Yeah. I started collecting comics with my two good friends around 4th-5th grade when we all had paper routes. Collected them up through middle school then sort of got bored/wanted to spend my money on other things when I got into high school.

Around 2003 or 2004 when X-men 2 came out is when I realized how much I missed a lot of comic characters I used to read and I kind of needed something to do with my time at that age so I got back into them. Kind of sucks because when I stopped in high school I got rid of a fair amount of them because I thought I would be done with them for the rest of my life and had to rebuy a lot of issues. That's also one of the main reasons I buy tpb's more than single issues.

[Panthro]

What are the next essential Thor trade paperbacks to pick up after the 3 J. Michael Straczynski volumes?

And what are some really good Avengers trade paperbacks to pick up?

[Anubis]

Did you read Oeming's Ragnarok story? Or Blood Oath? How about Jurgens run that had death of Odin, Spiral, and the Reigning? Walt Simonson's epic run? And hell, if it's out yet, the guy currently writing Thor is doing pretty awesome. Some would say better than JMS. Guillen I think his name is.

Oh and Avengers, Avengers Forever and Busiek's run which is collected in four hardcovers called Avengers Assemble. Also, Joe Casey's amazing minis, Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1 and 2.

[TheCorpulent1]

Kieron Gillen is the current writer's name. It looks like his run will be divided into three trades. The Latverian Prometheus is already out in paperback, Siege: Thor comes out in September in hardcover and January in paperback, and Thor: Siege Aftermath comes out in November in paperback. Not sure why the second takes so long to get its paperback edition out.

Son of Asgard is also getting a trade release toward the end of this month or early September. All 12 issues in a full-size trade, after they were previously only available in 2 separate digests. Definitely worth reading if you've ever wanted to see Thor, Balder, Sif, Loki, et al. as younger gods, when the full-on conflicts of later days were more like schoolyard rivalries, Thor was still trying to prove himself worthy of Mjolnir, and Volstagg was actually a more serious warrior. :)

[Panthro]

Did you read Oeming's Ragnarok story? Or Blood Oath? How about Jurgens run that had death of Odin, Spiral, and the Reigning? Walt Simonson's epic run? And hell, if it's out yet, the guy currently writing Thor is doing pretty awesome. Some would say better than JMS. Guillen I think his name is.

I've read the Walt Simonson run (loved it except for Thor turning into a frog, that was just stupid), Thor: Ages of Thunder (I'd rather see that as a DVD than teen/tween Thor - I'm guessing the young Thor DVD won't come out until next year) and the Eternals Saga (which ends with hilarious panel of Sif sitting on Thor's lap cheerfully pouring beer into his mouth while he gropes her leg), and currently up to volume 3 of the JMS run, but have not read the others you mentioned. Is Oeming's Ragnarok the story that precedes JMS's run?

Was Jurgens the one who had Thor merge with a medic named Jake Olson (or however it was spelled)?


Oh and Avengers, Avengers Forever and Busiek's run which is collected in four hardcovers called Avengers Assemble. Also, Joe Casey's amazing minis, Earth's Mightiest Heroes 1 and 2.
Okay, will look for those.


Kieron Gillen is the current writer's name. It looks like his run will be divided into three trades. The Latverian Prometheus is already out in paperback, Siege: Thor comes out in September in hardcover and January in paperback, and Thor: Siege Aftermath comes out in November in paperback. Not sure why the second takes so long to get its paperback edition out.

I was actually looking at Latverian Prometheus last night on Amazon, how's Gillen's run been?


Son of Asgard is also getting a trade release toward the end of this month or early September. All 12 issues in a full-size trade, after they were previously only available in 2 separate digests. Definitely worth reading if you've ever wanted to see Thor, Balder, Sif, Loki, et al. as younger gods, when the full-on conflicts of later days were more like schoolyard rivalries, Thor was still trying to prove himself worthy of Mjolnir, and Volstagg was actually a more serious warrior. :)

I was also looking at those 2 separate digests as well, and debating if I wanted to get them in digest form or not, since Amazon has never posted anything indicating a bigger, more complete release.

And you know one thing I don't get? Why were the first three volumes of X-Men: First Class released in proper paperback/hardcover form but volume 4 was released in mini-digest size?

Has anyone else noticed that Balder the Brave is absent from the upcoming Thor film?

Finished Captain America: Red Menace. Did Civil War follow that or is there anything in between?

[TheCorpulent1]

I've noticed that Balder's absent. I've noticed the hell out of that. But I'm trying to be content with all of the stuff we are getting in it.

Oeming's "Ragnarok" is indeed the story that precedes JMS' run. It's basically a bridge between Jurgens' run, where Odin dies and Thor becomes king, and JMS' run, where the Asgardians come back from Ragnarok and Thor sets them on a new course, breaking with all of their traditions.

Jurgens was indeed the one who had Thor merge with Jake Olson. Jake goes away about halfway through Jurgens' run, though (sooner, technically, but that's a long story).

Gillen's run has been pretty great. "The Latverian Prometheus" was great, his Siege tie-in was good, and his current arc where Thor has to go to Mephisto's realm to save the souls of the Asgardians who died in Siege has been great so far.

[Lucien]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0785149759/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=020ZDPH5QWRD3YT2XVHX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128533&pf_rd_i=468294

Is this part of Jurgen's main run? It doesn't say the issue numbers.

[Drz]

How do you shut off Iron Man's armor? Since his modern armor is all nanonites and stuff inside his body, can you inject anything in him? Or has the "Extremis" made his skin invulnurable againts anti-nanonite shots unless the force is great enough? Like shooting a damn anti-nanonite injection.

[TheCorpulent1]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0785149759/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=020ZDPH5QWRD3YT2XVHX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128533&pf_rd_i=468294

Is this part of Jurgen's main run? It doesn't say the issue numbers.
Yes, it is. It covers #26-35. The US version is in Marvel's November solicitations:

THOR: ACROSS ALL WORLDS TPB
Written by DAN JURGENS
Penciled by ANDY KUBERT
Cover by ANDY KUBERT
Thor, god of Thunder, is a god with more than a passing interest in the doings on Midgard (Earth to you and me). His sense of duty and morality forces Thor to merge his life-spirit into the mortal body of paramedic Jake Olson. Thus, he finds himself a god divided, with loyalties to the court of Odin, ruler of the Norse Gods, and as a man with obligations to friends and family. This powerfully told story follows the attempt by Lord Malekith the Dark Elf to take over Asgard by unleashing the immeasurable power contained within the Cask of Ancient Winters. With Thor tending to matters on Earth and mighty Odin undergoing the necessary Odinsleep to renew his powers, it falls to Lady Sif to rule and protect the Realm Eternal. Sensing opportunity, Ulik, leader of the Trolls, also decides the time has come to ravage Asgard, so the gods themselves have their hands full. Collecting THOR (1998) #26-35.
256 PGS./Rated T+ …$29.99
ISBN: 978-0-7851-4975-0

[Lucien]

Nice, they're really driving this run out. Which issues does the death of Odin and King Thor stuff start?

[TheCorpulent1]

Odin dies in #40 and Thor mourns for a few issues, then takes over as king at the end of #44 (which was a "silent" issue because of this 'Nuff Said gimmick Marvel was doing for that month, so it has no dialogue--but it's done well enough that it doesn't need any).

[Drz]

Corp answer my stupid question!

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know the answer to your stupid question. :o

[Anubis]

The answer to your stupid question is: Any way the writer wants it to happen.

[Lucien]

Odin dies in #40 and Thor mourns for a few issues, then takes over as king at the end of #44 (which was a "silent" issue because of this 'Nuff Said gimmick Marvel was doing for that month, so it has no dialogue--but it's done well enough that it doesn't need any).
Good to know, that should be out somewhere in the first half of next year if they keep up this rate.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Marvel really seems to be getting behind the idea that the entire Jurgens run should be available. It always confused me that they didn't release trades for it before. There were only a few scattered arcs available. I'm gonna make an effort to buy all of them, since I'd like to reread Jurgens' run but I wouldn't want to go searching through all my old comics to find it.

[Hmarrs]

How come the Hulk was never really put back on the Avengers???
Even as a kid I wondered.Especially when he joined the Defenders.
I was like hold up he can't be in the Avengers but he can be in the Avengers.Why?????
Anyone?
Even when he had Banner's mind or was the Professor Hulk he wasn't put back on the team!
Why???
I always wondered why Marvel has always chosen this route.
At first I kind of understood about him being a loose canon but then to see him on the Defenders,Alternate Fantastic Four,Parthenon etc.etc.


Anyone????

[Drz]

Eh i feel this question would suit the Avengers thread (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=336250&page=21) or Hulk thread (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=324638&page=92).

Well Red Hulk is joining the Avengers. Hulk is getting his own Hulk team. Ultimate Avengers has a clone of Bruce Banner, because the real Bruce is teaming up with mutants.

[Havok83]

Was it ever explained who or what Red Hulk is? How does he differe from regualr Hulk aside from color?

[Lucien]

Ok, I've just heard that prior to World War Hulk, Grey Hulk trashes Las Vegas and the Thing stops him or something. Which book did this happen in, and was it as cool as I'm hoping it was? It's the first thing I've ever heard of this :s

[TheCorpulent1]

Was it ever explained who or what Red Hulk is? How does he differe from regualr Hulk aside from color?
Rulk is General Ross. I think the only difference in powers is that Rulk gets hotter as he gets madder and stronger, but I could be wrong.

[Havok83]

Rulk is General Ross. I think the only difference in powers is that Rulk gets hotter as he gets madder and stronger, but I could be wrong.
oh thanks

[Anubis]

Ok, I've just heard that prior to World War Hulk, Grey Hulk trashes Las Vegas and the Thing stops him or something. Which book did this happen in, and was it as cool as I'm hoping it was? It's the first thing I've ever heard of this :s

It happened during JMS' FF run. It was pretty meh, (much like JMS' entire run on FF) I think Hulk stumbled on Hydra doing something, they blew some s**t up, and made a Savage Grey Hulk. Thing won, but not because he kicked his ass or anything....the whole thing is rather fuzzy.

[TheCorpulent1]

I only read JMS' arc with Thor's hammer, but that was meh even to me. Doom tries to lift it and obviously fails, the FF kick his ass again, Blake shows up, the end. It was a pretty worthless story that had nothing to do with anything beyond JMS wanting to set up a mystery with Mjolnir and its 'new' owner, I think.

[Lucien]

I liked it just for Ben trying to lift Mjolnir for the sake of it. I chuckled.

Was that Thing/Hulk fight when Johnny goes nova in his face? I remember seeing a scan of that years ago and I'm sure that was grey Hulk.

[Anubis]

Might have been. Like I said, been awhile, and I've lost a lot of brain cells since 2004.

[Ahura Mazda]

I liked it just for Ben trying to lift Mjolnir for the sake of it. I chuckled.

Was that Thing/Hulk fight when Johnny goes nova in his face? I remember seeing a scan of that years ago and I'm sure that was grey Hulk.

Yes it was that and it did nothing to the Hulk who ended up walking away.

[Havok83]

I just saw this

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/5365/fantasticthree.jpg

Fantastic Three? What the hell happened to Sue? At first I thought she was invisible till I noticed the 3s

[Tron Bonne]

There's 3 or 4 other teasers like that, each missing a member of the four. There's an upcoming arc in Fantastic Four were it looks like one will either die, or be taken out of the picture in some way.

[Iron Man]

Here are the others:

http://gamerpoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/550w_comics_fantasticfourthree_1.jpg (http://gamerpoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/550w_comics_fantasticfourthree_1.jpg)

http://gamerpoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/550w_comics_fantasticfourthree_2.jpg (http://gamerpoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/550w_comics_fantasticfourthree_2.jpg)

http://gamerpoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/550w_comics_fantasticfourthree_3.jpg (http://gamerpoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/550w_comics_fantasticfourthree_3.jpg)

[Havok83]

Aww thanks. That makes sense now. I thought Sue was kidnapped or something. If they get rid of someone, I hope its Ben. He's already over in New Avengers. I wouldnt mind seeing She-Hulk return or maybe Ms. Marvel could do a brief stint to give the team that needed muscle

[Iron Man]

Aww thanks. That makes sense now. I thought Sue was kidnapped or something. If they get rid of someone, I hope its Ben. He's already over in New Avengers. I wouldnt mind seeing She-Hulk return or maybe Ms. Marvel could do a brief stint to give the team that needed muscle

The odds-on choice for the replacement at the moment is Spider-Man thanks to this teaser picture:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1280090872.jpg

[Havok83]

Spidey semed odd enough as it was in the Avengers. I really ope they dont make him a FF as well

[Tron Bonne]

First time I'm seeing that teaser. Kind of hope it's a red herring, but it would make sense

[Scarecrow_King]

I'm so sick of the whole "Fantastic Four no more!" thing. Seems like at least once every year, they solicit the "end" of the Fantastic Four. But within another 3 months, the team is whole again and back to the original members.

[Jordacar]

I think that's one of the reasons I can't get into FF these days. The roster never changes, there's no real mystery to anyone in the group, they all get along fine (as well as you'd expect a family to), and they don't need to ever introduce new bad guys because there's plenty from the old days still around. I guess I just feel like nothing substantial will ever happen in that book, no matter what cosmic, cross-dimensional adventures they embark on. Even if the writing and the art are excellent, it'll always be a throwback to me. Though I can understand people who would like that stuff.

[Havok83]

I wonder how the audience would respond to a rotating cast. Have any 3 of the core members on at anytime and just rotate between the final slot

[Scarecrow_King]

I've got a few questions about y'all's opinions on some stories. Planet Hulk and the 90s Thunderbolts series?

[Anubis]

Both Awesome.

[Iron Man]

Especially the T-Bolts.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think that's one of the reasons I can't get into FF these days. The roster never changes, there's no real mystery to anyone in the group, they all get along fine (as well as you'd expect a family to), and they don't need to ever introduce new bad guys because there's plenty from the old days still around. I guess I just feel like nothing substantial will ever happen in that book, no matter what cosmic, cross-dimensional adventures they embark on. Even if the writing and the art are excellent, it'll always be a throwback to me. Though I can understand people who would like that stuff.
Nothing substantial really happens in any superhero comics, as far as I've seen. Certainly nothing permanent, given that the comics have to go on forever.

[Panthro]

So has Brian Bendis written anything worth reading?

[Tron Bonne]

So has Brian Bendis written anything worth reading?

What, you mean...ever? Yeah, yeah, he has.

[TimBisley]

His Daredevil run was great. Powers. Torso. Early Ultimate Spider-Man. All good stuff.

[Manic]

Alias was a good one, too.

[Anubis]

All that plus the occasional issue of New Avengers. He works best street level, but for some God damn reason they keep putting him on the big time superhero titles. Oh yeah, it's because people will buy whatever he writes. That's it.

[The Question]

I actually prefer his more recent stuff with Ultimate Spider-Man.

[TheCorpulent1]

All that plus the occasional issue of New Avengers. He works best street level, but for some God damn reason they keep putting him on the big time superhero titles. Oh yeah, it's because people will buy whatever he writes. That's it.
Yeah, "for some goddamn reason" = $$$$. I don't understand it, but whatever, he raised the Avengers' status back up to the point that other creators are allowed to take them in various new and interesting directions now, so yay-ish, I guess? I'll just take my Avengers Academy and Secret Avengers and be on my way, thanks.

[Havok83]

I thought his pre-Civil War New Avengers was pretty solid

[runawayboulder]

The most talented writer in the Marvel stable is Kieron Gillen. Only problem with him is his bibliography isn't as long as Bendis, Brubaker or Fraction. His Thor run has been epic in it's one year. It's too bad it's ending....what could have been.....

I did read SWORD and it was very entertaining. The art was ugly but it was a good read.

[Manic]

Jeff Parker is the most talented writer at Marvel that nobody ever reads. Damn near every book he writes gets canned within 2 years. I've lost count of how many times Marvel has allowed him to relaunch Atlas.

[TheCorpulent1]

SWORD was wonderful. I think Gillen could've done a lot of interesting stuff with that "superhero sitcom" format if the series weren't effectively canceled before its first issue ever hit stands. :o

[runawayboulder]

Jeff Parker is very good too. I've loved every issue of his T-Bolts run.

[TheCorpulent1]

His Juggernaut could use some work in my estimation, but otherwise his Thunderbolts has been quite good. :up:

[TimBisley]

Jeff Parker, Van Lente, Brubaker, Hickman, and Gillen are the best writers at Marvel, IMO. I will generally pick up anything they do.

[WolfCypher]

What has Songbird been up to?

[TheCorpulent1]

Cage's second-in-command with the Thunderbolts. Her status as an actual member of the field team is somewhat questionable, but she's accompanied the team on several missions already. She also acts as kind of a secondary warden to John Walker for the women's wing, as far as I've seen.

[VICTORVONDOOMX]

Jeff Parker, Van Lente, Brubaker, Hickman, and Gillen are the best writers at Marvel, IMO. I will generally pick up anything they do.

I'll definitely second Brubaker and Hickman. When I read their stuff, I'm a carefree kid again yet their stories still have the sophistication Bendis so sorely lacks.

[Hush]

Did I hear that Fantastic Four is getting cancelled?

[Anubis]

Not to my knowledge. They are however killing a member off.....again.

[Manic]

Who hasn't died on that team?

[Anubis]

Johnny, assuming alternate universe versions don't count.

[Panthro]

I've heard unflattering things about some of Bendis's work so I thought I'd ask. I'll put his Daredevil on the list.


So, Betty Ross hates Bruce Banner now?

[TheCorpulent1]

"Hate" is a strong word. She certainly doesn't seem too interested in being his wife again...

[Hush]

Corp that was damn funny. You made me laugh very hard.

[TheCorpulent1]

Was it? I wasn't even trying to be funny. :awesome:

[IBRAH08]

What are some spiderman trades that are worth reading?

[Anubis]

Kraven's Last Hunt, All of JMS's run except Sins Past, the Other, and of course, One More Day. Other than that, Spider-Man's pretty Meh IMO.

[TheCorpulent1]

Reign was all right. Not the seminal, Dark Knight Returns-esque story I think Kaare Andrews wanted it to be, but decent. I'm personally still a fan of Maximum Carnage, too. Sometimes a nice, simple, straightforward good vs. evil story really hits the spot. :up:

[Scarecrow_King]

has anybody here read the 12 issue Slingers run? it's something I've been kinda interested in ever since Ricochet showed up in Runaways, but I haven't heard anything about it.

[TheCorpulent1]

I have. I loved it. It was one of my favorite comics when I was younger. I even e-mailed Joe Harris, the writer, about it a couple years ago to see what he had planned for some of the characters if it'd continued. Surprisingly, he replied, which was awesome. :up:

[Scarecrow_King]

do you know of any plans to continue it? I think the hunt for the back issues is on. there were no trades collecting it were there?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know about trades. There were no plans to continue it. If there were, I think we would've seen something about it in the past, like, 10 years since it ended. ;)

[Anubis]

Best you could do is check out some of the various books the characters showed up in after the series ended. Like Loners, that story arc in Runaways where the Loners first appeared, Wolverine Enemy of the State where Hornet got killed off panel cuz Millar just needed to off a guy. :o I guess Civil War when whats his face got drunk and promptly owned by Iron Man. I think Dusk showed up in some book as a super prostitute or something. Best to ignore that one.

[TheCorpulent1]

Avengers: The Initiative, Runaways, and The Loners are really all you need for the further adventures of the Slingers. Best to just forget about "Enemy of the State" (and everything else from Millar) and that Ms. Marvel junk.

[Anubis]

Well, you can't forget, because Ricochet's story in Loners was directly influenced by the death of Hornet. However, mind controlled super prostitutes can be skipped because it was quickly forgotten.

[Scarecrow_King]

awesome. thanks, guys.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, you can't forget, because Ricochet's story in Loners was directly influenced by the death of Hornet. However, mind controlled super prostitutes can be skipped because it was quickly forgotten.
Sucked for me 'cause I thought Dusk had the most potential. But of course she's cast aside and ironically Prodigy winds up having the biggest post-Slingers deal.

[Anubis]

Well, there's still time. She's not dead or anything and even if she was, when has that s**t ever mattered?

Incidentally, I had an idea to bring Hypno Hustler back as a guy who Hypnotizes B-movie starlets and other kinda famous hot chicks and forcing them into his own Escort service.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nah, there's a new crop of young'uns that everyone at Marvel is all over. C. B. Cebulski seemed to be the only one who genuinely gave a s*** about the Slingers, and now he's not even writing anything besides the Wizard of Oz stuff. I mean, yeah, Slott could have her make a cameo in Amazing Spider-Man, but that wouldn't accomplish anything for me.

[uchiha_itachi]

Norman Osborne is about to have another baby?? With who??

[TheCorpulent1]

Incidentally, I had an idea to bring Hypno Hustler back as a guy who Hypnotizes B-movie starlets and other kinda famous hot chicks and forcing them into his own Escort service.
Harsh, man. Doesn't that kind of retread the same ground as Purple Man's revamp, though?

[Scarecrow_King]

isn't Prodigy trying to get the Slingers back together? I would totally read a book bringing them all back together. especially if it could be done in the same style as Young Avengers or Runaways.

[TheCorpulent1]

Is he? I don't know, I don't think anything's been mentioned with him since he got thrown back in jail for opposing Osborn.

[Anubis]

Harsh, man. Doesn't that kind of retread the same ground as Purple Man's revamp, though?


Well, when I came up with the Idea, it predated the Purple Man revamp. Like Val being Super Smart. I think it was in my What would you do thread that I totally lost interest in and became Zoken's random story idea repository. I had him going after MJ, cuz you know, she used to be a Super Model and did a few crappy movies.

[Scarecrow_King]

Is he? I don't know, I don't think anything's been mentioned with him since he got thrown back in jail for opposing Osborn.

according to wikipedia, he's been doing motivational speaking since the end of seige and trying to reform the slingers.

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh. Well, that's something I'd love to see. :up:

[javi1024]

Norman Osborne is about to have another baby?? With who??
Harry's girlfriend, Lilly Hollister. Dad of the Year material, right?

[Scarecrow_King]

are the little goblin twins from sins past still around?

[javi1024]

i dont think theyve been seen since Sins Past, but yeah theyre still alive and that story hasnt changed since OMD accoriding to Quesada.

[runawayboulder]

Gabriel Stacy came back in the American Son mini. I think he's gonna show up in Origin of the Species arc in ASM.

[Panthro]

What currently sells better in comics - the X-Men or the Avengers?

[Tron Bonne]

Avengers by a lot overall. The X-Men still sell reasonably well, though. The newest series, simply entitled X-Men, was number 1 last month (I doubt that will last, but still).

[TheCorpulent1]

What currently sells better in comics - the X-Men or the Avengers?
Depends on the month. Just about everything from the Avengers franchise sells toward the very top of the charts each month, but X-Men is selling really well right now too.

[Anubis]

Vampires are in.

[runawayboulder]

I'm pretty sure X-Men hasn't outsold the Avengers since Grant Morrison left.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm pretty sure X-Men hasn't outsold the Avengers since Grant Morrison left.
It has:
The newest series, simply entitled X-Men, was number 1 last month (I doubt that will last, but still).

[runawayboulder]

I wasn't counting that because it literally just happened.

[Panthro]

So what's with the Next Avengers kids getting a comic? Is this going to be an official 616 thing or this still strictly a "What If" deal?

[Jordacar]

From what I understand, it's one of many "possible" futures.

[Havok83]

I'm pretty sure X-Men hasn't outsold the Avengers since Grant Morrison left. and what about Morrison's Astonshing? When it was released, it tended to be in the top 5, beating out the Avengers books most times

I wasn't counting that because it literally just happened.
It depends on the series and the month. Just in April, these were the numbers
New Avengers - 75,430
Uncanny Xmen - 74,090
X-Force - 62,000
Xmen Legacy - 60,649
Mighty Avengers - 50,252

Its flip flopped several times over the past several years. While the Avengers line has tended to do better for the most part, the X-line has put out relatively decent numbers and Morrison wasnt the last time their core titles beat out the Avenger core titles

[venom892]

I'm pretty sure Whedon's Astonishing run sold in the top 10 at least for the first arc.

[Anubis]

Does it really matter? The X-Men sux.

[Tron Bonne]

and what about Morrison's Astonshing? When it was released, it tended to be in the top 5, beating out the Avengers books most times

Morrison didn't do Astonishing, I think you mean Whedon maybe?

[TheCorpulent1]

Ellis, probably. He took over Astonishing after Whedon left.

[Iron Man]

Have Thor and the Enchantress ever gotten beyond the "her trying to seduce him" stage?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yep. The two main instances I can think of are during Warren Ellis' run and during Dan Jurgens' King Thor Saga.

[Iron Man]

How exactly did they move on? I can't imagine Thor actually having a proper relationship with her. (Reason for my asking is I'm rereading the original Secret Wars, and they piqued my interest.)

[TheCorpulent1]

During Ellis' run, Yggdrasil (the "World Ash" that connects all of the Nine Worlds and is part of the fundamental nature of the Asgardian gods' being) died and the gods lost their divinity. Thor needed doses of the Enchantress' magic regularly to keep his powers up in spite fo Yggdrasil's death and a relationship formed between them. It's been a while since I read it so I'm not 100% sure it was explicitly stated that they were having sex, but I recall a very heavy implication, at least.

During Jurgens' run, Thor literally loses his humanity. Jake Olson, his human persona at the time, was separated from him, taking with it Thor's human perspective. Convinced that the gods should do more for humanity while missing the point that humanity needs to do for itself in order to grow and truly thrive, he started performing "miracles" on Earth, moved Asgard to hover over Manhattan, and eventually wound up taking over the whole world in a future that was ultimately erased. While in this state, he took the Enchantress as his wife and, in that future, even had a son named Magni with her.

[Havok83]

Morrison didn't do Astonishing, I think you mean Whedon maybe?
yeah that was a mistake. I meant Whedon. AXM was a top seller when he was writing

[Yodaman]

What are some of the best stories with the Dane Whitman Black Knight?

[TheCorpulent1]

Bob Harras' Avengers run, the post-Onslaught Heroes for Hire, the Excalibur: Sword of Power mini-series, and Captain Britain and MI-13.

[Yodaman]

^Thanks man :up:

[HighFivingMF]

Are there any recent books with re-tellings of Steve Rogers' origin and Captain America's time in WWII with the Invaders? I made a thread then thought this forum probably gets more traffic than the Comics section on the Captain America board.

[Phaedrus45]

Ok, stupid question for the MODS. What's up with the VIEWS on the main page showing all the threads? New threads all have views showing 1 more than the post count. I've always found the views somewhat important, especially if I'm doing a thread that I'm the main poster to. (Sure, sometimes it feels like I'm only talking to myself...but, it's good to know whether you should continue posting in your own thread or just quit.)

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, the views are just wacky since we switched servers. I tend to get a zero for the post count on any threads made after the move on my subscription list. It's just a weird kink that I guess the people who actually maintain the boards haven't gotten around to ironing out.

[Shockdingo]

What ever happened to that big blond dude who turned out to be a healing Superman-like Christian skrull that was in Spider-man some years ago?

[Anubis]

Dead or Limbo.

[Phaedrus45]

Who was the first person to use the word "Official" in their thread? And, since it means "of or pertaining to an office or position of duty, trust, or authority," do we really trust and authorize them to perform that duty???

By the way, this is my Official Question On The Matter.

[Tron Bonne]

Ah, but that is only one definition, here's another:

Authorized by a proper authority; authoritative

Meaning that all it needs is a nod from a mod and/or admin to make it an "Official" thread. :)

[Johnny Drama]

What would happen if Venom's symbiote merged with The Hulk or even a mutant? Is it possible?

(I never read the New Avengers arc where symbiotes run willd Hulkamania style)

[Shockdingo]

Anubis: Thanks man. :)

They would be themselves but amplified with symbiotic goodness; in What if Spidey Kept the Symbiote, it got on Thor and Hulk, and they didn't really experience any drastic changes. And in that terrible Venom mini that desperately wanted to be John Carpenter's The Thing, it attached itself to Wolverine.

[Anubis]

Who was the first person to use the word "Official" in their thread? And, since it means "of or pertaining to an office or position of duty, trust, or authority," do we really trust and authorize them to perform that duty???

By the way, this is my Official Question On The Matter.

It means that you need to quit hatin', and either post in the offical thread or start it first.
:o:fhm:

[TheCorpulent1]

Anubis: Thanks man. :)

They would be themselves but amplified with symbiotic goodness; in What if Spidey Kept the Symbiote, it got on Thor and Hulk, and they didn't really experience any drastic changes. And in that terrible Venom mini that desperately wanted to be John Carpenter's The Thing, it attached itself to Wolverine.
Meh, the Venom symbiote should have absolutely no hold over Thor. Dude can override the Destroyer's bloodlust through sheer willpower; a whiny symbiote should be no trouble. :o

[Johnny Drama]

Whatever happened to the Phalanx?

[Anubis]

They got their ass kicked by the Guardians of the Galaxy and Nova.

[Johnny Drama]

What arc did this take place in? So they are officially dead?

[TheCorpulent1]

Annihilation: Conquest. They're not dead; they were defeated but I'm sure they'll find a way to come back.

[Johnny Drama]

is Ultimate X-Men even still around? What's going on there?

[MarvelWarrior]

Power wise, where does Nova rank with Thanos, Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock etc..

[Johnny Drama]

Do you think Power-Man/Luke Cage is ever going to be an interesting character?

[Aesop Rocks]

They're trying to make him be in the New New Avengers.

But it's not working out.

[Johnny Drama]

They're trying to make him be in the New New Avengers.

But it's not working out.

In New Avengers I think he just continues to live out the same tired old stereotypes while contributing nothing interesting.

[Aesop Rocks]

That's all he does though.

[Manic]

I haven't been reading Thunderbolts, but I've read reviews that Luke's appearances in that title are a lot better than how Bendis writes him. Sometimes I wonder if Bendis really knows any black men, because his Luke comes off as a bit of a disingenuous cliche. His dialogue just doesn't really feel natural sometimes.

[Johnny Drama]

Bendis saw a 50 Cent video one time and ran with it. I think that's the extent of his black people experience.

[Tron Bonne]

is Ultimate X-Men even still around? What's going on there?

No, it was canceled along with Ultimate Fantastic Four after that Ultimatum thing.

[batnkevlar]

In New Avengers I think he just continues to live out the same tired old stereotypes while contributing nothing interesting.

Anyone read his recent "Ninja, please." in Thunderbolts?

[MarvelWarrior]

Power wise, where does Nova rank with Thanos, Silver Surfer, Adam Warlock etc..

Anyone?

[Franklin Richards]

The same way Green Lantern ranks up with Darkseid, Orion, Desaad etc...


:hal: :hal: :hal:

[Anubis]

Which is he'd get his ass kicked by Thanos and the Surfer, but he stands the best chance against Warlock.

[MarvelWarrior]

I thought Warlock was pretty high on the Cosmic food chain with Thanos. I know it's been a while since I've read anything with him.

[Ipodman]

I have been following the new Hawkeye & Mockingbird series... and it was better than I expected.. really enjoyed it...

So I wanna ask is it worth going back to read the "Reunion" thing?

[Anubis]

I thought Warlock was pretty high on the Cosmic food chain with Thanos. I know it's been a while since I've read anything with him.


At one point? Sure. But he's been down graded a bit ever since his resurrection in Conquest.

[Blackman]

Why does Apocalypse look the way he does? Hes from Ancient Egypt so why does he have hi-tech armor

[Johnny Drama]

Has Wolverine banged Storm outside of the "Days Of Future Past" timeline?

[Havok83]

Has Wolverine banged Storm outside of the "Days Of Future Past" timeline?
defiently not in 616. I think they were an item in Xmen: The End

[Manic]

Why does Apocalypse look the way he does? Hes from Ancient Egypt so why does he have hi-tech armor

He ran across alien technology centuries ago that he used to enhance himself.

Has Wolverine banged Storm outside of the "Days Of Future Past" timeline?

Possibly. I know the two dated a few years ago, but I don't know if they ever went all the way. Their relationship sorta got interrupted when Storm suddenly decided to marry Black Panther.

[Havok83]

Possibly. I know the two dated a few years ago, but I don't know if they ever went all the way. Their relationship sorta got interrupted when Storm suddenly decided to marry Black Panther.
They didnt have a relationship. I think you might be referring to UXM 450 from CC run. The two went out to a Broadway play together. That was the beginning and end of it. CC also hinted at a Kurt/Rachel pairing in that issue. And a few issues before both of these, Kurt and Storm went out for dancing together. All of these amounted to nothing and were just about friends hanging out with each other outside of the missions. There was no romantic dating between them

[MarvelWarrior]

At one point? Sure. But he's been down graded a bit ever since his resurrection in Conquest.

Ah, thanks!

[runawayboulder]

Their relationship sorta got interrupted when Storm suddenly decided to marry Black Panther.

Don't you mean when Marvel decided to marry them for no reason?:whatever:

[Scarecrow_King]

didn't Storm an Wolverine bang in Ultimate X-Men?

....if anybody read that book.

[Havok83]

didn't Storm an Wolverine bang in Ultimate X-Men?

....if anybody read that book.
you are right. Forgot about that one

[Anubis]

Yeah, but the Ultimate line doesn't count.

[javi1024]

so i just read the end of Spider-Man OMIT and Dr. Strange seemed to make the impression that because of Tony's involvement in erasing Pete's identity from the memories of the world that THAT caused the problems with the Extremis. what was Fraction's explanation, erasing all is knowledge from his brain? did i read that wrong cuz thats seems completely contradictory.

[Anubis]

Fraction's explanation was the virus the Skrulls infected him with during Secret Invasion f**ked his system up. F**kin' Joe Q. First Spider-Man, now he's gotta taint everything else?

[Manic]

He's Joe Q. He can use his retcons in Spider-Man to wreck anything he wants. Maybe it wasn't the Scarlet Witch who depowered the mutants. Maybe it was Peter's deal with Mephisto.

[Scarecrow_King]

then Wanda would be off the hook. and then maybe she can stop being a shoddy, inconsistently edited character.

[Anubis]

Ha! Yeah right.

[MarvelWarrior]

Has the origin of the Red Hulk and Red She Hulk been revealed?

[Anubis]

Super Solider boos**t involving Doc Samson and the Intelligencia.

[TheCorpulent1]

I have been following the new Hawkeye & Mockingbird series... and it was better than I expected.. really enjoyed it...

So I wanna ask is it worth going back to read the "Reunion" thing?
Yes. It was a solid mini-series that dealt with Clint and Bobbi's past relationship, Bobbi's time with the Skrulls, and one of the major themes McCann has carried into Hawkeye & Mockingbird. Not absolutely essential reading, but it was a good mini that gives you some context for how Clint and Bobbie relate to each other in the current series.

Why does Apocalypse look the way he does? Hes from Ancient Egypt so why does he have hi-tech armor
He ran across alien technology centuries ago that he used to enhance himself.
Celestial technology, at that. Basically, the kind of alien technology all other alien technology only wishes it could be.

[MarvelWarrior]

Super Solider boos**t involving Doc Samson and the Intelligencia.

But does it say who the Red Hulk and Red She Hulk before the experiments?

[Anubis]

Oh you don't know? Thunderbolt and Betty Ross. I figured everybody knew that s**t by now.

[MarvelWarrior]

Oh you don't know? Thunderbolt and Betty Ross. I figured everybody knew that s**t by now.

What?? But I thought Red Hulk killed Ross? Yeah I've been out of the loop.

[Anubis]

Dude, it's Loeb. Logic is meaningless.

[Sundancer]

With all the technology at his disposal, why does Fury still have an eye patch?

[TheCorpulent1]

Because it keeps his subordinates scared of him.

[Anubis]

With all the technology at his disposal, why does Fury still have an eye patch?


Eye patches are cool.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Just once, I'd like to see Fury move his eye patch to his other eye just because it's itchy.

[TheCorpulent1]

At least he has the decency to wear a patch. I've seen plenty of comics where Odin just has his empty eye socket hanging out for all to see. :o

[Scarecrow_King]

it's manly.

[Phaedrus45]

Ok, am I the only one getting flickering pages and images? It's driving me nuts!!!

[TheCorpulent1]

On the Hype? I haven't noticed that. Usually that kind of thing is a problem with your computer, not the website.

[Anubis]

Sorry, your computer got AIDS. :(

[Sundancer]

Because it keeps his subordinates scared of him.


Knowing comics and this site, I can't tell if that's sarcasm or seriousness...:huh:

[Anubis]

A little bit from column A, a little bit from column B.

[Johnny Drama]

Sorry, your computer got AIDS. :(

Time to hire Denzel and break him of his prejudiced ways.

[Sundancer]

A little bit from column A, a little bit from column B.


Whats' wrong with just saying "nobody knows?" or " no reason?"


Ah well......

[Havok83]

What is Shadowland about?

[uchiha_itachi]

Daredevil Being evil

[maenalus]

Is Harry Osborne an indispensable part of the Spider-Man universe?

Going by the Raimi movies, he seems like the biggest load of bothersome dead weight to ever be in a superhero's supporting cast. Or did the movies just botch the character?

[TheCorpulent1]

Harry is so not indispensable that he was dead for about 20 years in the comics. He had some good stories, but Peter could always have other friends.

[Ipodman]

Not really a comics question... but does anyone else find the Marvel online catalog very user UNfriendly?

I tried to search for stuff but I cant find what I want. I ended up going to google and searching for eg. "Hawkeye & Mockingbird #4 marvel catalog" and then clicking the link and I have to do that for every issue I want to find. And then if I want to search for the next issue in a series, I have to do the whole google thing again. Does anyone know a better way? Or how do you guys keep track of which issues are out and everything?

Oh btw, DC's website is sooooo much better. At the page for each issue there's this overview thingy which shows you the covers of two future issues and two past issues. And then there's a page where all the books for the whole month is listed nicely by the week. Whoever designed that should get a pat on the back.

[Shockdingo]

Why do artistic depictions of Rhino vary so much? He's been:
-bulky but not so defined
-perfect physique standard strongman build
-Kingpin ish mix between quite muscely, but a few pounds in the face and a bit in the gut
-Outright fat with notable protruding gut, no real sign of muscles

[Anubis]

Because artistic depictions of most things vary.

[Shockdingo]

Well, yea I know, but for instance, hulk will always be drawn with a certain build that denotes muscularness and strength, Colossus will be bigger than Wolverine and Kitty Pride etc. heh, maybe I'm just over thinking this, but it's like we can't tell if he's supposed to be a body builder or a fat guy that just happens to have super strength.

[Anubis]

You're over thinking it. Some artists like to draw him with a pooch, and some don't. Same reason some artists go nuts with the chain mail on Caps suit, or in the 80's the Blue Beetle's physique fluctuated between Spider-Man like to pudgy Brock Samson. Creative types just luvs putting their own stamp on things.

[Lucien]

Has it been revealed yet how the Knowhere Celestial: A) got it's head cut off, and B) came to be at the Rip?

[TheCorpulent1]

Not that I recall.

[Figs]

I was wondering how tall an Omnibus is? I have a damn good collection of Marvel Masterworks hardbound books for my favorite characters like Spider-Man, X-men/Uncanny and Iron Man. I was thinking of getting some classic Thor before I read the later years but wasn't sure if the Omnibus would fit on my shelf. I'm mainly wondering how much taller are they compared to a regular hardbound book.

I was having trouble looking for a size comparison on Google.

[Tron Bonne]

I have the Captain Britain Omnibus and it's a little taller than the regular hardcovers I have. I'm kind of awful with dimensions, but I'm going to wager about an inch taller or something.

I can't rip pictures off my phone to my computer or I would show you, but I did find this picture that may help:

http://i55.tinypic.com/2rxw9xc.jpg

Not sure if that a Marvel HC it's sitting beside, but I think Marvel's paperback trades tend to be roughly the same size.

[TheCorpulent1]

Unless your Marvel Masterworks are just barely short enough to fit on the shelf, you should be able to fit omnibuses on there with them.

[Figs]

Unless your Marvel Masterworks are just barely short enough to fit on the shelf, you should be able to fit omnibuses on there with them.

I got some good room left with the MM so I might just preorder those 3 Thor Omnibus books. I definitely want to read the classics first.

[TheCorpulent1]

They're good stuff. :up:

[DawnWarrior]

Not really a comics question... but does anyone else find the Marvel online catalog very user UNfriendly?

I tried to search for stuff but I cant find what I want. I ended up going to google and searching for eg. "Hawkeye & Mockingbird #4 marvel catalog" and then clicking the link and I have to do that for every issue I want to find. And then if I want to search for the next issue in a series, I have to do the whole google thing again. Does anyone know a better way? Or how do you guys keep track of which issues are out and everything?

Oh btw, DC's website is sooooo much better. At the page for each issue there's this overview thingy which shows you the covers of two future issues and two past issues. And then there's a page where all the books for the whole month is listed nicely by the week. Whoever designed that should get a pat on the back.
Y'know, I'm finding the same thing, but while I can handle the week-to-week grind of the comics catalogue, it's even worse with the cartoons. Marvel's posted full episodes of a lot of their cartoons on the site, but I can't just go, say, to the "Silver Surfer" cartoon section and page down to the episode where Thanos first appears. What's the point of having all those cartoons archived on there if I have to go around the back and consult a third party just to find the one I want?

[MarvelWarrior]

1. Who has given Captain America the most trouble in hand to hand combat?
2. What wac Captain America's age when he thawed out?
3. What's the Juggernaut been up to?

[Anubis]

1) Taskmaster, Shang Chi, Daredevil, Black Panther, Baron Zemo to name a few. Two of those dude can or have kicked his ass.



2) 25 physically, sliding time scale of 15 years for the MU from FF flight to present so he went in the water in 1945 came out 15 years ago from today so, he got thawed in 1995, 1995-1945= 50 +25=75. So, he was 75 years old when they thawed him out.



3) He joined the X-Men after his partner Black Tom Cassidy became a Tree Wizard or something, developed a special friendship with a fish boy, had his powers stripped down by the violence loving God who empowers him because he isn't doing the job he wants him to, joined Excalibur for awhile, then Hulk came back from outer space to beat the crap outta his cripple brother, made a deal with Cytorak to be a douche again, got outsmarted by the Hulk, then somehow ended up in prison, minus all his power again, taking orders from Luke Cage with the new Thunderbolts.

[MarvelWarrior]

Thanks for those answers! Man Juggernaut been through a lot. What's up with Darkhawk? Last I saw he was hurt pretty bad in Nova right before the Thanos Initiative.

[Shockdingo]

Anubis: Thanks for the answers man, much appreciated. :)

I can't for the life of me remember if I've asked this for, so apologies in advance. I'm curious about Mr. Fantastic's bodily functions. Is it that his body just resembles rubber in terms of elasticity? He's not actually vulnerable to any heat source right? I know in Ultimate it documented that his bodily functions radically altered, but in 616 does he still have bones, a digestive system, etc? I know he can bleed because Wolverine did crack him in the nose during that old FF/X-men special from ages ago. I've seen him bearded before, but is his hair like normal hair, or is all of him malleable? I just saw a bunch of Venture bros episodes (one had Mr. Impossible) and was wondering how he goes about shaving and stuff like that heh.

Thanks in advance guys.

[Anubis]

He's not made of rubber. As far as I know he grows hair, poops, manscapes, all that stuff. How? Well, that ultimately comes down to the fact that it's a comic book and you shouldn't think about it too much.

[moraldeficiency]

You need to think of the FF in terms of the way they were created. They're basically elemental powers. Human Torch for fire, Thing for Earth, Invisible Woman for Air and Mr. Fantastic for water. For some reason some of them have a high level of their cosmic powers like the Invisible Woman or Human Torch. Others have high levels but cannot control them such as Thing or X-Ray/Vapor from the U-Foes. Mr. Fantastic seems to have moderate control as he can form his body into something that resembles rubber in a way but it's more that he can make his form into almost a liquid, making him uncuttable and almost impossible to damage. When he uses that he can look like whatever he wants or alter his density to one part to hit hard and such. But he can also not use the power which makes him basically human and therefore vulnerable to getting cut or beaten up.

[Shockdingo]

Again, thanks for the answers guys. Much appreciated. :)

[Ipodman]

How did Wolverine first join the X-Men? In the recent Wolverine Saga thingy, it says that Wolverine was sent to kill Xavier, and thats how he met the X-men. But in Giant X-Men, didnt Xavier personally approach Wolverine? I'm confused... which is the correct version, or did they both happen?

[TheCorpulent1]

As far as I know, Xavier just went to Department H in Canada and recruited Wolverine. But X-Men comics, even more than other superhero comics, are the land of retcons, so it could've changed at some point.

[Havok83]

Wikipedia shows that there was a retcon in the Origins series. Wolverine was apparently sent to kill Xavier and Xavier mindwiped him, making him forget that event. By the time he needed to assemble a new team of X-men, he remembered Wolveine and went to him to give him a chance to do good as part of his team of mutants. Not surprised bc Marvel has been retconning stuff regarding Xavier for the past 5 years.

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, that's stupid. The X-Men's backstory just gets more and more convoluted. :lmao:

[Ipodman]

Ok thanks everyone. I supposed both versions happened.

So Professor X can mind wipe eh? Which brings up something I've been thinking about... can he stop time like that scene in X2?

[Iron Man]

The original story was that Xavier went and recruited Logan from Department H, but there was a crappy recent retcon - I can't remember who wrote it, but I remember reading about it - where Logan was sent to kill him. Xavier then mind-wiped him and planted a willingness to join the X-Men in his head. :whatever:

EDIT: Whoa, those posts happened quickly.

[Havok83]

The original story was that Xavier went and recruited Logan from Department H, but there was a crappy recent retcon - I can't remember who wrote it, but I remember reading about it - where Logan was sent to kill him. Xavier then mind-wiped him and planted a willingness to join the X-Men in his head. :whatever:

EDIT: Whoa, those posts happened quickly.
so he manipulated him into joining the team? Wow, makes you wonder who else was forced into being an X-man via telepathic suggestion

[TheCorpulent1]

Over the last ten years or so, Xavier has become the most douchebaggy idealist ever. :o

Ok thanks everyone. I supposed both versions happened.

So Professor X can mind wipe eh? Which brings up something I've been thinking about... can he stop time like that scene in X2?
Well, he didn't stop time so much as stop all of the people for a moment. He can definitely do that in the comics--just stop people's minds in a limited area so no one's able to think or do anything.

[Havok83]

Ok thanks everyone. I supposed both versions happened.

So Professor X can mind wipe eh? Which brings up something I've been thinking about... can he stop time like that scene in X2?
pretty much all powerful telepaths can wipe minds. Xavier most definetly can. Its what he did to Magneto in Fatal Attractions (with a little help from Jean)

Over the last ten years or so, Xavier has become the most douchebaggy idealist ever. :o


yeah this one really bothers me. Im all about free will and if someone is to be an X-man it should be their choice. One of the biggest problems I had with Vanisher on X-force (as much as I loved him there) was that they threatened to kill him if he wasnt. I dont like the idea of Xavier using his powers to make anyone follow and fight for him. Thats a line that shouldnt have ben crossed. Telepaths pretty much have the power to do whatever they want as you cant trust yourself around them. Xavier always had strong ethics about not abusing that power, which he passed down to his students with that ability, such as not reading minds without permission, influencing others, etc... And now look at how he's used his.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but that was like a sledgehammer to Magneto's mind. He is capable of more subtle, surgical mindwipes too.

[Iron Man]

I found where I read about the Xavier/Wolverine thing, it was an article on CBR (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/09/22/top-five-lies-by-professor-x/) that also contains some of the other ridiculous lies Xavier has told.

[Havok83]

Yeah, but that was like a sledgehammer to Magneto's mind. He is capable of more subtle, surgical mindwipes too.
Deadly Genesis comes to mind. Made Scott forget he had a brother.

I found where I read about the Xavier/Wolverine thing, it was an article on CBR (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/09/22/top-five-lies-by-professor-x/) that also contains some of the other ridiculous lies Xavier has told.
haha, thats actually pretty funny especially since some of them really were stupid

[Iron Man]

so he manipulated him into joining the team? Wow, makes you wonder who else was forced into being an X-man via telepathic suggestion

Yeah...talking of which, did Kitty ever find out that Jean (who had an excuse, she was about to go all Dark Phoenix) telepathically whammied her parents into letting her join the school?

[Havok83]

Yeah...talking of which, did Kitty ever find out that Jean (who had an excuse, she was about to go all Dark Phoenix) telepathically whammied her parents into letting her join the school?
hmmmm, dont recall. I'd have to go look through some old issues or resarch that.

[Ipodman]

Telling the X-men they werent named after him. LOL

[Shockdingo]

What the...are you serious?! Wolverine was originally sent to kill ol' Chuck? What is the deal in these raging retcon boners writers have these days? Man am I the only one who's sick and tired of them trying to write Xavier as this morally scuzzy cueball? Maybe it's because I got into X-men with the cartoon and there Xavier was portrayed as a selfless man who wanted change. I can understand flaws in a character to make them interesting and have depth, but it's gone too far in my opinion. It's just really off for me.

[Manic]

Ever since Cyclops took over the X-Men and they did a few story arcs of Charles rediscovering his own past in X-Men Legacy, they've really calmed down with the whole "Xavier is a manipulative bastard" thing.

[Havok83]

Ever since Cyclops took over the X-Men and they did a few story arcs of Charles rediscovering his own past in X-Men Legacy, they've really calmed down with the whole "Xavier is a manipulative bastard" thing.
yeah bc ever since his run in Legacy ended, he's been made completely irrelevant

[DawnWarrior]

Indeed, it's hard to remember that Xavier was even present during Second Coming. Same with Magneto for that matter.

[Havok83]

Magneto was in a coma for most of it though but he got a chance to actually do something towards the end. Plus he currently has a major role in Legacy for the forseeable future. Xavier? I dont even know if there are any plans for him. He's simply just there on the island, chilling.

[Manic]

This is why Marvel needs to hire me to write that X-Network comic I've been dreaming about for the past couple of weeks. Imagine a spy-fiction X-Men comic about Charles' spy network.

[javi1024]

This is why Marvel needs to hire me to write that X-Network comic I've been dreaming about for the past couple of weeks. Imagine a spy-fiction X-Men comic about Charles' spy network.
...im listening.

[Manic]

...im listening.

Well, back before M-Day and all that junk, ol' Charles was revealed to have a spy network. It was never revealed just how far his network extended, but I know it included Sage, a guy with shrinking powers named Shortpack, and Mystique for a brief period of time.

My idea would be to revive Xavier's old spy network, and expand on it big time. I wouldn't go for odd reveals like "LOL, Sebastian Shaw's sidekick was in Chuck's pocket the whole time," but I'd bring back a lot forgotten and obscure characters to be Charles' eyes and ears around the world. If you ever read Warren Ellis' Global Frequency, it'd be a lot like that.

Of course, I'd have a regular cast of characters-- Charles' main field operatives. I know I'd used Iceman and Husk because I feel like they're underused nowadays, but I don't know who else I'd use. Probably Shadowcat and/or Cipher.



God, I haven't been so tempted to write a fan fiction in years.

[javi1024]

that sounds pretty cool. im always up for some espionage. on that note, are Hickman's books SHEILD and Secret Warriors as great as IGN says. is it alot of high concept stuff? does his writing bare any resemblence to Morrison, cuz im not a fan of that.

[Iron Man]

I don't know about his S.H.I.E.L.D. mini but Secret Warriors has been consistently fantastic (save for the latest issue, which unfortunately saw a bit of a drop in quality). I'd really recommend it.

[Tron Bonne]

that sounds pretty cool. im always up for some espionage. on that note, are Hickman's books SHEILD and Secret Warriors as great as IGN says. is it alot of high concept stuff? does his writing bare any resemblence to Morrison, cuz im not a fan of that.

Is does kind of strike me as high concept, but no, not like Morrison. It's much more grounded, I think. Some people have been having a hard time keeping up with it, though, so I could be wrong. I know a continuity kitten explodes with almost every panel, but it doesn't bother me that much to be honest.

[TheCorpulent1]

It bugs me. It's not too hard to follow, I just don't like the idea of building an entire story around retcons. Any time I see the words "secret" and "history" together, I know I'm going to be disappointed. I read the first three issues, I think, but I decided I'm done with it. It doesn't tickle whatever part of me it's supposed to tickle to see Sir Isaac Newton as the master manipulator behind SHIEL--sorry, "the Brotherhood of the Shield."

[Anubis]

I guess he's famous for more than picking a bad place to fall asleep now.

[Tron Bonne]

It bugs me. It's not too hard to follow, I just don't like the idea of building an entire story around retcons. Any time I see the words "secret" and "history" together, I know I'm going to be disappointed. I read the first three issues, I think, but I decided I'm done with it. It doesn't tickle whatever part of me it's supposed to tickle to see Sir Isaac Newton as the master manipulator behind SHIEL--sorry, "the Brotherhood of the Shield."

I'll admit, it did kind of prick me at first, but I've come to like the idea. I think it's fascinating that we have this universe that's so strange and filled with superpowered beings, Gods, aliens, time travel, etc., and kind of zooming out to see that it's always been a strange place filled with these things to some degree or another for forever. I can understand why it turns some off from a continuity aspect, but I'm just kind of looking at it as a 'Well, it could be...' type of deal, since I don't see any of this stuff being referenced much (if any) outside Hickman's own work

[TheCorpulent1]

I may give it another try when it finally catches up to the present-day incarnation of SHIELD to see how that all connects, but for the moment I'm just not into it.

[The Question]

Marvel had the rights to publish Godzilla comics in the 70s. The stories in it were cannon in the Marvel Universe, and SHIELD regularly tried to kill or capture Godzilla. Marvel lost the rights. The stories are still cannon, but they can never mention the monster by name. How come they never simply retconned it to having been Fin Fang Foom?

[TheCorpulent1]

A lot of the current decision-makers at Marvel grew up in the '70s. I'm gonna guess nostalgia. SHIELD fighting Fin Fang Foom is just not the same as SHIELD fighting Godzilla.

[Tron Bonne]

One does not recton the 'Zilla, one simply doesn't

Though in all seriousness, I'm going to it's just something that really isn't seen as a big enough deal to really address.

[The Question]

One does not recton the 'Zilla, one simply doesn't

Though in all seriousness, I'm going to it's just something that really isn't seen as a big enough deal to really address.

I think that Kaiju being a real hazard in the every day lives of the people of Asia and the Northern Pacific in the MU is a very big deal. :o

[Tron Bonne]

The Japanese have power rangers over there, they'll be fine.

[Anubis]

Yeah as long as there's a little kid to bond with him, and get him to fight the giant two headed dragon, they'll be fine.

[The Question]

The Japanese have power rangers over there, they'll be fine.

Well, in the MU they have Big Hero Six and Red Ronin, but your point is none the less valid.

[MarvelWarrior]

When does the Cap/Iron Man rivarly start in the comics? They seem pretty friendly in the old 60's version.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know exactly when it started, but "Armor Wars," "Operation: Galactic Storm," and Civil War were the biggest rifts. Although "Armor Wars" was basically Iron Man pissing off everyone, not just Cap.