The Official Stupid Question Thread: Marvel Edition

[MarvelWarrior]

I don't know exactly when it started, but "Armor Wars," "Operation: Galactic Storm," and Civil War were the biggest rifts. Although "Armor Wars" was basically Iron Man pissing off everyone, not just Cap.

Ah, thanks. Also, would you happen to know when Cap becomes the leader?

[TheCorpulent1]

Of the Avengers? #16 at the latest, since all the founders left in that issue and the team became Cap, Hawkeye, the Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver, and the latter 3 (all considered barely-reformed villains at the time) were certainly not gonna lead. But I have yet to really dive into those early Avengers issues, so I'm not sure if he was made the leader before then. I've only read the first 5 or 6 issues of Avengers (whatever's covered in the first Marvel Masterworks: Avengers, basically) and then various issues from the '70s on.

[HighFivingMF]

Did the spider-bite fix Peter's eyes? Or does he have lenses in the costume? Or does he just risk going out with poor vision?

[Iron Man]

Did the spider-bite fix Peter's eyes? Or does he have lenses in the costume? Or does he just risk going out with poor vision?

It fixed his eyes.

[sdc10]

I want to jump back into x-men, the last trades i picked up were endangered species and messiah complex. Im just wondering where is a good jumping on point? I know this may be a tough question considering all the trades between the various x-books released since then.

[Manic]

I want to jump back into x-men, the last trades i picked up were endangered species and messiah complex. Im just wondering where is a good jumping on point? I know this may be a tough question considering all the trades between the various x-books released since then.

Divided We Stand takes place immediately after Messiah Complex with Cyclops disbanding the X-Men, and Manfiest Destiny is a series of short stories about the X-Men's reformation & move to San Francisco.

If you're going to get Manifest Destiny, there are two different trade paperbacks/hardcovers. The one that says X-Men: Manifest Destiny has Wolverine's 4-issue MD arc, Nightcrawler's one-shot, and a 5-issue miniseries featuring a bunch of short stories. The one that says Uncanny X-Men: Manifest Destiny (note the Uncanny) also has the 5-issue short story miniseries, but it has the story arc that started in Uncanny X-Men #500 and the Free Comic Book Day 1-shot about a student named Pixie.

After that, there's a few decent stories in the individual X-Men titles...

X-Men: Legacy picks up on Professor X immediately after Messiah Complex in the story arcs Divided He Stands, Sins of the Father, and Salvage. Uncanny X-Men has a decent story called Lovelorn about Colossus dealing with what happened at the end of "Unstoppable" in Astonishing X-Men. Young X-Men got 2 trades before it was canceled. New Mutants had The Return of Legion.

If you want to skip from Messiah Complex to the next crossover, that'd be Dark Avengers/X-Men: Utopia.

If you want to follow Cable and the baby from the end of Messiah Complex, check out Cable: Messiah War, Cab;e: Waiting For The World To End, X-Force/Cable: Messiah War, Cable: Stranded, and Second Coming. In that order.

[Iron Man]

So the current round in the Marvel x DC Voting Game thread has gotten me interested: what's essential reading to see why so many people love X-Man? I've never really read anything with him in it besides his stuff in the Onslaught Saga.

[Calavera]

i looked up a picture of chamber on google, why does he have lips like apocalypse now?

[Havok83]

i looked up a picture of chamber on google, why does he have lips like apocalypse now?
following M day, he lost his powers which left him disfigured with a hole from his mouth to his chest. He was in a hospital and nearly died. His doctor was from the Clan Akkaba and was instructed by Ozymandias to heal him. What you see now is the result of the healing process. Apparently he's a descendent of Apocalypse's old clan

[JewishHobbit]

So the current round in the Marvel x DC Voting Game thread has gotten me interested: what's essential reading to see why so many people love X-Man? I've never really read anything with him in it besides his stuff in the Onslaught Saga.

I don't think there's much in the way of trades but simply put start with the Age of Apocalypse... and if you don't want to read it all then do this:

X-Men Alpha
X-Man 1-4
X-Men Omega

Then most of his earlier stories are essential and all very good and worth the read 100%. There's a few tie-ins though. It goes like this...

X-Man 5-12
Excalibur 95
X-Man 13
Cable 29-30
X-Man 14
Cable 31
X-Man 15-17

You say you've read onslaught but the X-Man centric story is:

Onslaught: X-Men (you could probably skip this as he's only in a single page but it's the start of hte saga so it only helps to read it)
Uncanny X-Men 335
X-Man 18
X-Force 57
X-Man 19
X-Men 56
Onslaught: Marvel Universe

And after Onslaught:

X-Man 20-23
X-Man Annual '96
Amazing Spider-Man 420
X-Man 24-25

It's still good after that point but it's a good stopping point for the initial plots. That's when it was really good, his having to deal with this new world and all that. If you don't want to read the rest then I'd suggest jumping ahead to X-Man 63-75. Those are the Shaman issues. There's a shocking character change without much explanation until later but it's still a really good run by Warren Ellis. He then returned in the Dark X-Men mini last year and it seems to be more of a blend of the original persona of X-Man and the Shaman one. I think he's supposed to be showing up in X-Men soon too but I could be wrong.

[Calavera]

following M day, he lost his powers which left him disfigured with a hole from his mouth to his chest. He was in a hospital and nearly died. His doctor was from the Clan Akkaba and was instructed by Ozymandias to heal him. What you see now is the result of the healing process. Apparently he's a descendent of Apocalypse's old clanthank you for your explanation.

also, didnt someone want to make a storyline where apoc was really someone from the future who was flung back to the past instead of having him be the first mutant?

[Havok83]

thank you for your explanation.

also, didnt someone want to make a storyline where apoc was really someone from the future who was flung back to the past instead of having him be the first mutant?
Apocalypse at one point was going to be written as the third Summers brother. Apprently he was to have been stolen and taken to the past, far enough to be the first mutant and Cyclops mysterious brother

[Manic]

Everybody and their mom was supposed to be the 3rd Summers brother. Apocalypse, Adam X, Gambit, Lee Marvin...

[TheCorpulent1]

I think if you dig deep enough into hypothetical plans for a lot of characters, you'll find that they were in fact supposed to be the third Summers brother. That plot followed the X-Men franchise around for years, and then the actual story turned out to be even s***tier than everyone knew it would have to be after like a decade or two of build-up. :o

[Anubis]

I think they once said that Spider-Man was gonna be the third Summers brother. Apparently his dad banged Scott and Alex's mom at a party for parents of future superheroes.

[Panthro]

Are there any specific trade paperbacks to read before sitting down and reading Avengers: Above & Beyond? Or can that be read by itself without any long string of other books before it?

[JewishHobbit]

I think they once said that Spider-Man was gonna be the third Summers brother. Apparently his dad banged Scott and Alex's mom at a party for parents of future superheroes.

Swinger parents for the win :up:

And in related news... I found out a year or two that my good and proper grandparents were swingers back in the 70's :(

Ewww.

[TheCorpulent1]

Are there any specific trade paperbacks to read before sitting down and reading Avengers: Above & Beyond? Or can that be read by itself without any long string of other books before it?
It builds on some stuff Busiek did before, but you could probably figure it out without reading that.

[Scarecrow_King]

what is the general consensus on Busiek's Avengers run? I think I've heard some mixed things.

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked it. I stopped reading it before the final arc for some reason, but what I did read of it was great. Except for Ms. Marvel. She annoyed me in every single panel.

[Scarecrow_King]

the only thing I could find that I didn't like was the fact that he used so many stupid characters that didn't really seem Avengers material to me. like that Triathlon guy and Justice.

[Anubis]

Swinger parents for the win :up:

And in related news... I found out a year or two that my good and proper grandparents were swingers back in the 70's :(

Ewww.

Well that.....that's just terrible.

[Anubis]

the only thing I could find that I didn't like was the fact that he used so many stupid characters that didn't really seem Avengers material to me. like that Triathlon guy and Justice.


Justice not Avengers Material? Read it. It's awesome. From start to finish. Also, Avengers Forever. And once you've read it, slap yourself for saying such a thing. And Triatholon wasn't so bad before they made him Skrull killer number one. Though Busiek's run, wont change your opinion of him due to the circumstances of his joining in the first place.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Justice definitely earned his spot as an Avenger.

Triathlon never really grabbed me, though. I don't know, maybe I'm a closet racist or something. :csad:

[Scarecrow_King]

I just think that the Avengers should be full of classic, iconic heroes. That's the team that everybody WANTS to be a part of. but this Justice guy. lame name, lame costume. I honestly don't remember what his powers were. He just seemed like a throwaway character to bring some fresh blood to the team.

[Anubis]

No, like I said, the circumstances of him becoming an Avenger was messed up, plus he was a bit of a dick, but like Justice, he grew. By the end of the run, he was a decent character. Then Secret Invasion happened.

[Specter313]

Swinger parents for the win :up:

And in related news... I found out a year or two that my good and proper grandparents were swingers back in the 70's :(

Ewww.

Yeah, last year my parents once decided to describe to me where and when I was conceived. What is it about parents deciding to spread those details around when their offspring are older? :dry:

[JustABill]

I sorta vaguely remember that. :o

[Specter313]

No comments from the peanut gallery! :cmad:

[TheCorpulent1]

I just think that the Avengers should be full of classic, iconic heroes. That's the team that everybody WANTS to be a part of. but this Justice guy. lame name, lame costume. I honestly don't remember what his powers were. He just seemed like a throwaway character to bring some fresh blood to the team.
But that's the JLA, and the Avengers aren't the JLA. The Avengers have always embraced a few nobodies with potential, all the way back to the founders leaving and being replaced by a crook and two mutant ex-terrorists.

[Scarecrow_King]

yeah, I guess. I just didn't see him worthy enough to stand next to Cap and the others. I'll go back and give it another read, though. maybe I'll change my mind. :up:

[sdc10]

But that's the JLA, and the Avengers aren't the JLA. The Avengers have always embraced a few nobodies with potential, all the way back to the founders leaving and being replaced by a crook and two mutant ex-terrorists.

Ya, thats one reason I always liked the Avengers more than the JLA. The general consensus being that anyone has the capability to be an Avenger, when something really big happens a team comes together to handle the threat. As opposed to the JLA which is always filled with the "A-List".

[Anubis]

No it's not. Truthfully? When Morrison made the team with the "Big Seven" that was like one of a handful of times that all those dudes were actually on the team at the same time. The best JLA teams were teams like the JLI, the Satilite League which gave you the Atom, Firestorm, and Hawkman, or when the league had Orion, Steel, and Huntress. That's as big a myth as DC having boring over powered heroes.

[moraldeficiency]

The Avengers are or were an A-List team. Almost anyone could be in the reserves but to be part of the actual team you needed to be pretty premiere. You could be a reformed villain like Hawkeye or Quicksilver but you pretty much had to prove yourself.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but the point is, they do give people the chance to prove themselves. If you screw it up, you get booted off the team or bumped down to the reserves (*cough* Rage *cough*). But Justice definitely proved his worth over time. I love that he was the moral compass of Camp Hammond for a while, too. It was like the classic Avengers' ideals lived on through him even though the actual team and its methods were twisted by the SRA and then Osborn.

[moraldeficiency]

oh, I agree. Just saying that you needed to actually reform and prove yourself. Avengers used to be an honor. Like everyone wanted to get on the team. Guys like wolverine would never have made the cut before Bendis.

[TheCorpulent1]

Ugh, don't remind me. I could excuse Wolverine's presence because Iron Man, the official "morally ambiguous Avenger" on and off since the '80s, is the one who lobbied for him. But then the Heroic Age hits and Steve--who objected to recruiting Wolverine in New Avengers, mind--happily lets him back on two Avengers rosters. Dubya tee eff, Steve-O? :facepalm:

[moraldeficiency]

Yeah, that never sat right with me. Iron man should be the closest the avengers ever get to someone that kills. Then throw him on a team with captain america and spider-man and both are just ok with looking the other way?

[Sasha_Xavier]

Okay, I've been away from the comic book world for a VERY long time so please forgive this monumentally stupid (IMO, anyway) question....

I've been trying to read up on Nightcrawler's background to integrate new info with what I already know. I've come across a character named Blue, of which I cannot find anything about. The only reference I can find, in swift passing, is in wiki pages regarding the "Days of Future Past" cbs, his daughter in an alternate timeline (Earth-811) ..... does anyone have ANY information about her, or know where I can find it?

[Anubis]

New Mutants Annual #6.

Her first and only appearance.

You want to read about an alternate universe daughter of Nightcrawler, then I would suggest Talia "TJ" Wagner of Exiles. Cuz this Blue chick is just a one off.

**Edit it was the Annual # 6.

[Iron Man]

I don't think there's much in the way of trades but simply put start with the Age of Apocalypse... and if you don't want to read it all then do this:

X-Men Alpha
X-Man 1-4
X-Men Omega

Then most of his earlier stories are essential and all very good and worth the read 100%. There's a few tie-ins though. It goes like this...

X-Man 5-12
Excalibur 95
X-Man 13
Cable 29-30
X-Man 14
Cable 31
X-Man 15-17

You say you've read onslaught but the X-Man centric story is:

Onslaught: X-Men (you could probably skip this as he's only in a single page but it's the start of hte saga so it only helps to read it)
Uncanny X-Men 335
X-Man 18
X-Force 57
X-Man 19
X-Men 56
Onslaught: Marvel Universe

And after Onslaught:

X-Man 20-23
X-Man Annual '96
Amazing Spider-Man 420
X-Man 24-25

It's still good after that point but it's a good stopping point for the initial plots. That's when it was really good, his having to deal with this new world and all that. If you don't want to read the rest then I'd suggest jumping ahead to X-Man 63-75. Those are the Shaman issues. There's a shocking character change without much explanation until later but it's still a really good run by Warren Ellis. He then returned in the Dark X-Men mini last year and it seems to be more of a blend of the original persona of X-Man and the Shaman one. I think he's supposed to be showing up in X-Men soon too but I could be wrong.

Awesome, thanks :yay:

[Sasha_Xavier]

New Mutants Annual #6.

Her first and only appearance.

You want to read about an alternate universe daughter of Nightcrawler, then I would suggest Talia "TJ" Wagner of Exiles. Cuz this Blue chick is just a one off.

**Edit it was the Annual # 6.

Thx for the reply :)

I've already read loads of info regarding Nocturne so I'm already full-up on her bg. Was Blue not received well by readers?

[Anubis]

She was dead I believe.

She showed up as one of many dead X-Men that Franklin Richards from Earth 811 conjured up or something.

[Panthro]

Has anyone ever done a decent job writing Ms. Marvel? She often seems to get the short end of the stick.

[Shockdingo]

I've got a question. I've always been baffled by this for ages, but is there a story behind Archie Meets the Punisher, or were a couple Marvel execs high and throwing Idea Darts© at a magazine stand?

[Tron Bonne]

Story in the sense of why they decided to do that? No, not really, not anything outside the usual crossover mentality of 'let's put so and so together, even if it makes no sense and we have no story'. Admittedly, that one is a little more random, but I assume it's the same deal.

[Havok83]

Has anyone ever done a decent job writing Ms. Marvel? She often seems to get the short end of the stick.
I would say Brian Reed, the writer of her most recent series did a good job handling her

[Anubis]

Also, if you like mind taffy stories, and guys who impregnate women with themselves, then some of her Avengers stories were pretty good. If not, then, yeah, Brian Reed's run was about as good as it got.

But to be fair, very few female characters are written well.

[Panthro]

Also, if you like mind taffy stories, and guys who impregnate women with themselves, then some of her Avengers stories were pretty good. If not, then, yeah, Brian Reed's run was about as good as it got.

But to be fair, very few female characters are written well.
Yeah, and it probably doesn't help that Ms. Marvel looks like a stripper. :cwink:

[moraldeficiency]

Can't hurt

[Anubis]

That's true. Most of the best ones are dressed like strippers.

She-Hulk, Black Canary, Power Girl, Wonder Woman.

[Manic]

Shulkie, Dinah, PG, and Diana probably have some of the more modest costumes, as far as female superheroes go. They're basically wearing 1-piece bathing suits and boots.

[Anubis]

I'd say the X-Ladies outside of Emma have the most modest costumes.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that never sat right with me. Iron man should be the closest the avengers ever get to someone that kills. Then throw him on a team with captain america and spider-man and both are just ok with looking the other way?
I'd qualify that as "someone that kills indiscriminately," but I agree in principle. Wolverine's right around the bottom of the morality barrel along with the Punisher, yet everyone objects to the Punisher while giving Wolverine a free pass. My mind, it is boggled. :o

Shulkie, Dinah, PG, and Diana probably have some of the more modest costumes, as far as female superheroes go. They're basically wearing 1-piece bathing suits and boots.
And the fact that we consider that reasonable everyday attire, let alone "modest," is kind of sad. I mean, hell, even Robin eventually got pants. :csad:

[Manic]

And the fact that we consider that reasonable everyday attire, let alone "modest," is kind of sad. I mean, hell, even Robin eventually got pants. :csad:

Well, it's active gear. Olympic gymnasts dress about the same. Their everyday attire is more acceptable and average. Dinah is a t-shirt & jeans kinda girl, Jen and Karen wear business suits, and Diana... okay, that outfit pretty much is her everyday attire. It was before she became Diana Prince, anyway. Agent Prince seems to switch randomly between business attire and an all-white Emma Peel number.

[Havok83]

I'd say the X-Ladies outside of Emma have the most modest costumes.
Id put Psylocke in the same category as Emma. She tends to flaunt her ass 95% of the time. Girl needs to put some pants on

[Panthro]

I'd qualify that as "someone that kills indiscriminately," but I agree in principle. Wolverine's right around the bottom of the morality barrel along with the Punisher, yet everyone objects to the Punisher while giving Wolverine a free pass. My mind, it is boggled. :o

The power of popularity often creates unfair double standards. Wolverine could slaughter an entire church full of nuns, priests, altar boys, etc., and nobody will so much as slap him on the wrist for it because he's Wolverine, the most popular X-Man of all and deep down everyone knows he's really a good noble man who has some trouble controlling his anger:whatever:, but if Cyclops so much as spilled milk on the floor or ate the last cookie in the cookie jar everyone would jump down his throat and call him the worst X-man ever (and some still call him that even when he does something heroic). Over at DC Batman can be a complete bastard to either his sidekicks or the Justice League issue after issue after issue and he can get away with it because he's Batman, the most popular DC hero of all and deep down everyone knows he's the complete epitome of awesomely awesome and always right, but if Superman so much as ordered the wrong pizza everyone would get on his case and call him a loser (and some do even when he saves the day). And so on and so forth.

Given that Thor comes from a society of warrior gods you'd think he'd be the kind of guy who wouldn't have a problem with killing.


And the fact that we consider that reasonable everyday attire, let alone "modest," is kind of sad. I mean, hell, even Robin eventually got pants. :csad:
I think we can all agree Robin looks better with pants. :cwink:

[Manic]

I'd say the X-Ladies outside of Emma have the most modest costumes.

Most of the female X-Men, Sue Storm, and the women of the Bat family are pretty much the nuns of the superhero community. They show no skin below the neck.

[TheCorpulent1]

The power of popularity often creates unfair double standards. Wolverine could slaughter an entire church full of nuns, priests, altar boys, etc., and nobody will so much as slap him on the wrist for it because he's Wolverine, the most popular X-Man of all and deep down everyone knows he's really a good noble man who has some trouble controlling his anger:whatever:, but if Cyclops so much as spilled milk on the floor or ate the last cookie in the cookie jar everyone would jump down his throat and call him the worst X-man ever (and some still call him that even when he does something heroic). Over at DC Batman can be a complete bastard to either his sidekicks or the Justice League issue after issue after issue and he can get away with it because he's Batman, the most popular DC hero of all and deep down everyone knows he's the complete epitome of awesomely awesome and always right, but if Superman so much as ordered the wrong pizza everyone would get on his case and call him a loser (and some do even when he saves the day). And so on and so forth.

Given that Thor comes from a society of warrior gods you'd think he'd be the kind of guy who wouldn't have a problem with killing.
Thor, like any noble warrior, understands the concept of a measured response. His goal in Asgard may have been to kill the enemies of his home, but he understands that on Earth things are different, mankind has created laws, and he respects (most of) them. But if he's faced with someone/something he considers irredeemably evil or, as with Bor, if he ever faces a threat he doesn't think he can stop any other way than killing it, he'll kill the s*** out of 'em and not think twice about it. He's not squeamish, he's just not a bloodthirsty savage, either. He believes that life is sacred unless you violate its sanctity by using yours to be an unrepentant, evil bastard or oppress others or whatever.

As far as the popularity thing, you're right to an extent. I'd argue that Batman, even though he is popular, has it remarked on pretty often that he's an abrasive jerkwad. He's just so good at superheroing that the other heroes tolerate it or are too intimidated to say anything to him about it. But Superman? Nightwing? Even Tim. They call him on that s*** all the time. Meanwhile, no one says anything to Wolverine even though being a mass-murderer is totally worse than just being a dick. Hell, people embrace that quality in Wolverine, building whole death squads around him or placing him on Avengers rosters specifically so the "good" heroes can have a murderous dog on a leash that they can sic on their enemies while keeping their hands relatively clean.

[Iron Man]

When Rogue stole Ms Marvel's powers, why didn't she absorb her energy blasts as well?

[Manic]

When Rogue stole Ms Marvel's powers, why didn't she absorb her energy blasts as well?

Ms. Marvel didn't have the energy blast powers yet. Those came years after Rogue absorbed her powers.

[Iron Man]

Ms. Marvel didn't have the energy blast powers yet. Those came years after Rogue absorbed her powers.

Ah right, that makes sense. How'd she gain the energy blasts?

[Havok83]

Ah right, that makes sense. How'd she gain the energy blasts?
she turned into Binary. While in space with the X-men, she got captured by the Brood, who ended up running experiments on her. A side effect of that was that she started to transform and gained new powers and abilities. She's had energy based powers since

[Iron Man]

Huh, I didn't know she didn't have energy powers until she was Binary. Thanks Havok.

[TheCorpulent1]

So she was experimented on by the Kree and the Brood, then got impregnated by the Scarlet Centurion with himself? Damn, Carol has some s***ty luck. :o

[Havok83]

dont forget prior to all of that, she got mind raped by Rogue. Lost her powers, personality and memories. Even after Xavier helped restore them, she had no emotional attachment. Years later she would find herself turned into an alcoholic

[Hush]

Why was Iron Man (Tony) all messed up in the begining of Siege? I just read the Hardcover (The story was kinda lame by the way. The Void again? Really?) and am curious as to what happened to him.

[Anubis]

He erased his memory so Osborne couldn't get his filthy hands on the list of all the heroes secret ids. He had just gotten a reboot and data back up installed when the s**t jumped off.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, in one of the least substantial Thor/Cap appearances ever. That was supposed to be part of the big forgiveness fest between Thor, Tony, and Steve, yet Steve and Thor basically just act as a defibrillator, then disappear. Two superheroes to fill the same function as one piece of standard medical equipment. :dry:

But it was a decent story otherwise.

[Anubis]

I thought the story where Osborne was chasing him all over the world while he was slowly gettin stupider and stupider was pretty awesome too. A bit long though.

[TheCorpulent1]

Didn't read that one. I read "Stark: Disassembled" primarily for Thor and Cap, I'm not gonna lie. :o

[Hush]

Well my buddy let me the trade that he won at a comic-con here in Saint Louis and I figured i need to read it to know what was going on in Thor a bit but it seems like the story was just a big battel for a big battles sake. Siege that is.

[Iron Man]

Well my buddy let me the trade that he won at a comic-con here in Saint Louis and I figured i need to read it to know what was going on in Thor a bit but it seems like the story was just a big battel for a big battles sake. Siege that is.

That's pretty much what it was - a big battle to mark the end of Dark Reign. And for what it was, I quite enjoyed it (more than I was expecting to, anyway).

[TheCorpulent1]

It was the climax of the entire direction the Marvel universe was moving toward since Civil War, basically. The Marvel universe got darker and darker, lines got more and more blurred, and the whole thing was just one massive shade of gray. Siege realigned things so that the heroes got over their petty squabbles and united behind the Avengers' big three--arguably the foremost heroes of the Marvel universe--against something truly evil.

That's why I couldn't help facepalming in disbelief when people got all upset that Norman was taken down relatively quickly and Spider-Man didn't somehow rise to be the star of the show. It was the end of Dark Reign too, but it was never about Norman. Norman was just a figurehead--that role could've been played by any villain. Even I wasn't all that disappointed to see Loki and Ares get killed so easily by the Sentry/Void. In the context of the story, each of those events fit perfectly along the plotline that built toward the Void ultimately being destroyed. They were all bit players believing themselves to be much more, but they were swiftly proven wrong when something genuinely bigger and truly evil came along.

[moraldeficiency]

It was the climax of the entire direction the Marvel universe was moving toward since Civil War, basically. The Marvel universe got darker and darker, lines got more and more blurred, and the whole thing was just one massive shade of gray. Siege realigned things so that the heroes got over their petty squabbles and united behind the Avengers' big three--arguably the foremost heroes of the Marvel universe--against something truly evil.

That's why I couldn't help facepalming in disbelief when people got all upset that Norman was taken down relatively quickly and Spider-Man didn't somehow rise to be the star of the show. It was the end of Dark Reign too, but it was never about Norman. Norman was just a figurehead--that role could've been played by any villain. Even I wasn't all that disappointed to see Loki and Ares get killed so easily by the Sentry/Void. In the context of the story, each of those events fit perfectly along the plotline that built toward the Void ultimately being destroyed. They were all bit players believing themselves to be much more, but they were swiftly proven wrong when something genuinely bigger and truly evil came along.

Loki's better than the void, shut up Corp.

[TheCorpulent1]

True, but he's not pure evil or more powerful. :oldrazz:

[moraldeficiency]

Void is only powerful because bendis claims so. Different writer and loki would rightfully turn his druggie ass into a cute little fluffy bunny or something.

But you're right about the evil. I like the complicated side to him. Still just not a fan of him dying by anyone other than thor.

[TheCorpulent1]

It worked in the context of the story for me. But I seem to be one of the few people who unabashedly loved Siege. I seem to be a sucker for big, epic good vs. evil stories. And hey, Bendis actually didn't do too bad with most of the characters. That's praise-worthy all on its own. :awesome:

[moraldeficiency]

I was less of a fan. I wanted more a play out with the villains we already had all over the place and not another Onslaught thing. Which it basically boiled down to. I'm also a fan of heroes actually defeating villains as opposed to some circumstance suddenly happening that allows the villains defeat (one of the many common threads in every one of Bendis' epics). I was actually digging it right up until it became the void show then it was just obvious where it was going, how it would end and how disappointed I was going to be.

[Havok83]

The Void isnt even completely gone. A piece of it still is inside Cyclop's head

[Manic]

That piece of Void is just being held back by Scott's emotional repression. How powerful could it really be if it gets loose?

[JewishHobbit]

Void is only powerful because bendis claims so. Different writer and loki would rightfully turn his druggie ass into a cute little fluffy bunny or something.

Actually, Bendis writes a pretty weak Void. In the original Sentry mini by Jenkins the Void was unbeatable and could only be stopped when Sentry himself disappeared. In fact, Thor was there along with all the other heroes and some villains and they were pretty much ineffective.

So Bendis just played with what Jenkins created and didn't do near as good a job with it.

[moraldeficiency]

Actually, Bendis writes a pretty weak Void. In the original Sentry mini by Jenkins the Void was unbeatable and could only be stopped when Sentry himself disappeared. In fact, Thor was there along with all the other heroes and some villains and they were pretty much ineffective.

So Bendis just played with what Jenkins created and didn't do near as good a job with it.

So how is that different between what bendis did in Siege? Sentry allowed the heroes to kill him. Up until then they couldn't touch him. He killed multiple gods. How was he weak?

Personally I don't really like Jenkins as a writer. Never been a fan of anything he's done. His spider-man was terrible. But sentry as a character just isn't really all that compelling. He's a drug addict that drank some strange liquid a crazy professor had lying around. I sorta dug the original stuff, but in an odd surreal kind of way. As the main component in a story that could have been really cool but got sidetracked to a "Oh noes the sentry is the void again....nothing can defeat him...but wait!" kind of story rather than the heroes actually like beating villains and saving the day? Not so much.

[TheCorpulent1]

I would've preferred the heroes to beat the Void honestly too, but the Void is kind of set up to not have that happen. He's consistently been unstoppable to everything but himself. So I was okay with him ultimately defeating himself. Kind of nice that the Sentry's heroism shone through at the end. He was basically the whole conflict of Siege wrapped up in one character--a guy who was effectively a f***-up who tried to be a hero but got warped into something a lot worse, but ultimately came through in the end and realized he needed to go to set things right again. He lost his way the same way the heroes themselves did before finally coming around: in the heroes' case, by reuniting to defeat the Void; in Bob's case, by allowing the Void to be defeated. Granted, that metaphor would've been a bit more effective if the heroes were more than just background fodder for Bob's personal battle, but again, the Void was set up to consistently be 100% unstoppable unless some part of him was working against the rest. Broken character more than a broken arc to me.

[moraldeficiency]

I don't think Bob was ever a hero. He was a drug addict that wanted to get high. The parallel you're making, while a good one, just doesn't really hold up.

And you're right, the heroes were just background noise. They did nothing! The return of the big three, hey look they're gonna just be completely ineffective! Honestly what was siege about? Void could have just freaked at any time and went on a rampage minus any of the heroes and we could have had this same effect. Actually all the heroes did that I could see was stop Osborn from stopping the Void. Siege had a great premise and some great villains already. Why not just use that? Why not just have the heroes actually beat some bad guys for once in a way that actually mattered? I like Marvel a lot but DC kicks their ass with events and big storylines. At least most of those have the heroes doing something to win against the big evil rather than having some other force just make it happen and "change" everything. I just miss stuff like Atlantis Attacks or Inferno or Acts of Vengence (especially Acts, that was a damn fine idea that allowed interesting stories). So far since bendis has been spearheading events the only "hero" that's actually saved the day, the only one that's really made a difference and beaten the bad guy has been norman osborn taking out the skrull queen.

[TheCorpulent1]

The Sentry was clearly heroic to some extent. I mean, he was a f***ing horrible hero, but he at least had that heroic impulse.

But yeah, the more I'm thinking about it, the more Bob defeating himself robs Siege of any impact. I still like the story up until that point, but I really wish that point could've been handled better to give the story a genuinely satisfying climax. Instead, on closer inspection, I guess it does turn out to be yet another Bendis anticlimax.

Acts of Vengeance was super-awesome. Not only was it a great story idea, but it featured a lot of really cool villain/villain moments, like Magneto losing his s*** on the Red Skull for being a Nazi. Have they ever released a trade of it? I'd love to reread it all in one place (or at least the main points, since I recall virtually every comic having a little "Acts of Vengeance tie-in" marker when it was coming out.

[Havok83]

Sentry was a horrible character and the best thing to happen with him was his death, which hopefully will stick for a long, long time. I never understood why Marvel kept trying to make him happen bc that clearly never did. They said he was supposed to be Marvel's version of Superman but he didnt have an ounce of the personality, finesse, charm or rooting factor that Supes did

[moraldeficiency]

No trade I've checked. Yeah that magneto moment was great. Best I've ever seen Mags in a comic ever. Loved cosmic spider-man and the reason for it. I'd like to see that used more. Loved the idea of completely different villains going up against heroes to test their weaknesses. That idea made those tie-ins actually relevant to the story.

I also really dug inferno. Demons invading NYC always makes for a fun time.

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked Secret Wars and some of the tie-ins to Secret Wars II. Yes, I'm talking about Frog Thor. :awesome:

Sentry was a horrible character and the best thing to happen with him was his death, which hopefully will stick for a long, long time. I never understood why Marvel kept trying to make him happen bc that clearly never did. They said he was supposed to be Marvel's version of Superman but he didnt have an ounce of the personality, finesse, charm or rooting factor that Supes did
In my more charitable moments, I like to think that the creative decision-makers used him as kind of a symbol of the period culminating in Dark Reign. Like I said, he had the heroic impulse but he just turned out to be too much of a f***-up to ever get it right. He was a broken mirror-image of Superman, as if to say, "That guy who embodies every iota of the heroic ideal over at the Distinguished Competition? Yeah, this is the best our universe can manage."

[moraldeficiency]

Secret Wars was pretty great.

[Anubis]

Sentry wasn't always supposed to be a horrible hero. In fact, he was the best hero in the entire MU for a good, what? 10 years Marvel Time? 5 before the FF took flight, and however long he lasted before his mindf**k or whatever it is that happened to him after Bendis started retconning. After that, he went crazy, and became the joke he was by the time Bendis dusted him off. I still think he was a good character, and Bendis screwed him up with his inability to write powerful characters.

[moraldeficiency]

Nah, he was never good. I don't want a hero that needs to be retconned into being the premiere hero of all time teaching all the others how to be a hero. If you want him to be great just have him be great don't take the lazy route and say he was the bestest ever and none of the other previous heroic moments ever really happened the way you read about cause the sentry always just saved the day you just forgot about it. That's incredibly lazy. He started as a drug addict that drank something that looked like draino in a strange man's lab.

[Anubis]

Whatever man. Retcon's of Retcons is what ruined the Sentry.

[moraldeficiency]

But he's a living retcon. His history is a retcon of the entire MU history. So you clearly don't dig anything about him.

[Anubis]

Like I said, retcons of a retcon. A retcon on it's own is okay. Bucky being dead was a retcon. Then they retconed that bucky didn't die and was a cold war assassin since WWII. Not bad. Now if they up and said that that wasn't Bucky, but a clone of Bucky's son that he had with the Black Widow, that would be a s**t. That's the type of stuff that you get. A hero who sacrificed life as he knew it to save the world. That's where he started. Then he got his mind warped by Effin' Mastermind of all people. Then he was a drug addict drinking unknown concoctions, then all of a sudden he's the Spectre, Marvel style. I mean, in five years he had more, and more s**t added to his origin. I mean, it was ridiculous.

Retcons aren't inherently bad things. But when you start piling retcon after retcon on top of it, you get a incoherent mess. I.E. the Sentry.

[moraldeficiency]

That makes a surprising amount of sense to me. Maybe I need to tone down on the pot.

[TheCorpulent1]

Although I thought his first story was good, it never really sat well with me that his whole reason for being was effectively to take a big, sloppy s*** all over all the other heroes. Captain America is the greatest superhero in the Marvel universe, and he sure as hell didn't learn how to be that from the Sentry; I don't care what Jenkins says. :o

[Panthro]

What are some really good books for Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD?

[JewishHobbit]

1) There should be an Acts trade out or coming out because I looked into it previously. It contains all the Avengers centric stuff an the Cosmic Spider-Man stuff.

2) I'm not a fan of retcons at all but I thought Jenkins's handling of Sentry was superb. It added to Marvel's history, not took away from it. Most of the things fit nicely between panels without changing a single thing. Really, the only thing I can think of is Hulk being an accepted hero for a time before losing it and becoming a monster again, but frankly, that was cool and tragic... very Hulk-like.

Bendis is the one who came along and kept adding to the retcons and just destroyed the character in the process. It kills me because Sentry was so freakin' cool at first until New Avengers came along. I loved him there until the Sentry arc when we start seeing more stuff added to his past and then it just fell apart.

Now people can't even seem to think of Jenkins's original idea without mixing aspects of Bendis in there to taint it. It bugs me.

3) And on the earlier point of how Bendis writes a weak Void. Yes, technically Robert allowed Thor to kill him, but even that wasnt' really possible prior to Bendis... at least I don't believe it was. In fact, the moment Sentry realized and challenged the Void as an aspect of himself the V (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/Kal.jpg)oid was gone. It's his realization that made the Void weak. As just the Void no one had any power over him. Thor couldn't have killed him, and according to Jenkins's deal the Void should never have had that conflict with Robert and all that. Bendis so screwed up the character that you can't even explain anything about him without it not making sense in one way or another.

Just bring back the much simpler Scout and call him a legacy character and be done with it. Leave Sentry dead.

[Hush]

What do I need to read in order to Understand Annihlation? In order what is EVERYTHING I could read, be comprhensive please.

[TheCorpulent1]

Um... I think this is pretty comprehensive:

Marvel Universe: The End
Thanos
Drax the Destroyer
Annihilation: Nova
Annihilation: Silver Surfer
Annihilation: Ronan
Annihilation: Super-Skrull
Annihilation

[Iron Man]

Annihilation is fantastic, but I still have yet to actually carry on from there and get to the rest of Nova, Annihilation: Conquest, Guardians of the Galaxy, Realm of Kings, The Thanos Imperative and whatever else I've missed. I should really get on that.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, you really should. :)

[JewishHobbit]

Marvel Universe: The End
Thanos
Stormbreaker: The Saga of Beta Ray Bill
Captain Universe: Universal Heroes
Drax the Destroyer
Annihilation: Nova
Annihilation: Silver Surfer
Annihilation: Ronan
Annihilation: Super-Skrull
Annihilation
Annihilation: Heralds

Using Corps's list I'd say to get into Annihilation all you really need is from Drax on. If you want to get into the Cosmic Marvel landscape really well leading into it to be familiar with some of the characters and such, then read The End, Thanos 1-12, Stormbreaker, and Captain Universe. It's all good so I say read it all, but for Annihilation you can start with Drax. Also, there's the small Heralds mini at the end of Annihilation.

If you like those then read the first three issues of Nova's ongoing and then it kicks right into the Annihilation Conquest event.

[TheCorpulent1]

What does Stormbreaker have to do with it? Just Stardust, I guess, but Annihilation itself does a pretty good job of informing you that Stardust is Galactus' current herald.

[JewishHobbit]

It introduces Stardust, who plays a part in Annihilation and then has a solo story in Annihilatin: Heralds. Not to mention it has a pretty cool take on Galactus and is just a good read all around.

Like I said, it can be skipped but for a full Cosmic Marvel picture going in it's a good read for it.

But the same can be said for Marvel: The End. It's a good Thanos story but has nothing to do with Annihilation really, and Thanos issue 1 recaps that, as well as the Infinity Gauntlet, within the first few pages. I read Thanos and Annihilation before The End and I was able to follow it without any problem.

[TheCorpulent1]

I never read Thanos or Drax and I never felt lost in Annihilation. Really, Annihilation is pretty self-contained. It was constructed that way, since it was clearly supposed to be a splashy but accessible kick-start to Marvel's then-dormant cosmic side.

[Hush]

Thanks guys! I will prolly try to collect all those. I just am kinda getting sick of EARTH heroes.

[JewishHobbit]

I never read Thanos or Drax and I never felt lost in Annihilation. Really, Annihilation is pretty self-contained. It was constructed that way, since it was clearly supposed to be a splashy but accessible kick-start to Marvel's then-dormant cosmic side.

Neither are necessary but both can tie-in. Drax is the unofficial start of Annihilation (and is included in the trades) as he becomes a big player in Annihilation and beyond... and it ends right where Annihilation begins.

Thanos isn't necessary but it explains his little Pixie friend and the Fallen, both of whom are in Annihilation. We get to know some of the people who are killed off during the first of the Annihilation Wave. Also Starlord's a decent sized character in the second arc.

[HighFivingMF]

Does Hulk have any frequent enemies outside Leader, Abomination, Absorbing Man and General Ross?

[sdc10]

Does anyone know why Daredevil 61-65 isnt included in the Bendis/Maleev Ultimate paperbacks? I know its in its own trade but they were included in the omnibuses so this just strikes me as strange. I want to read daredevil so i figure ill just get the trades up the the bendis run and then get the bendis ultimates as well as daredevil vol. 10 since its not collected in the ultimates.

[Anubis]

Cuz Marvel be *****?

[Scarecrow_King]

Does anyone know why Daredevil 61-65 isnt included in the Bendis/Maleev Ultimate paperbacks? I know its in its own trade but they were included in the omnibuses so this just strikes me as strange. I want to read daredevil so i figure ill just get the trades up the the bendis run and then get the bendis ultimates as well as daredevil vol. 10 since its not collected in the ultimates.

I think that may be the short run that David Mack did. There were a few breaks in Bendis's run that Mack had a few issues to play with. They mostly focused on Echo.

[sdc10]

I think that may be the short run that David Mack did. There were a few breaks in Bendis's run that Mack had a few issues to play with. They mostly focused on Echo.

The Echo stories were 51-55, 61-65 were written by Bendis.

[Anubis]

Nah, that was a Black Widow arc. A pretty good one. Like I said, Marvel being a bunch of d**ks. Either that or you got a bad book. Or it's in the next volume.

I don't know because I got the whole run in comic form. :p

[random_havoc]

....
2) I'm not a fan of retcons at all but I thought Jenkins's handling of Sentry was superb. It added to Marvel's history, not took away from it. Most of the things fit nicely between panels without changing a single thing. Really, the only thing I can think of is Hulk being an accepted hero for a time before losing it and becoming a monster again, but frankly, that was cool and tragic... very Hulk-like.

Bendis is the one who came along and kept adding to the retcons and just destroyed the character in the process. It kills me because Sentry was so freakin' cool at first until New Avengers came along. I loved him there until the Sentry arc when we start seeing more stuff added to his past and then it just fell apart.

Now people can't even seem to think of Jenkins's original idea without mixing aspects of Bendis in there to taint it. It bugs me.

3) And on the earlier point of how Bendis writes a weak Void. Yes, technically Robert allowed Thor to kill him, but even that wasnt' really possible prior to Bendis... at least I don't believe it was. In fact, the moment Sentry realized and challenged the Void as an aspect of himself the V (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/Kal.jpg)oid was gone. It's his realization that made the Void weak. As just the Void no one had any power over him. Thor couldn't have killed him, and according to Jenkins's deal the Void should never have had that conflict with Robert and all that. Bendis so screwed up the character that you can't even explain anything about him without it not making sense in one way or another.

Just bring back the much simpler Scout and call him a legacy character and be done with it. Leave Sentry dead.


SO agree with this.

And the tragedy of it was, if Bendis hadn't screwed the character up so much, they could've told so many good stories with him. (What they did with Sentry in WWH was bullcrap too)

Think about it: How would the conversation have gone when sentry and scout met back up, now that scout knows it was really a part of sentry that had maimed him, taking his arm and eye? That could've been a great interaction.

So much could've been done...

[Iron Man]

Exactly how powerful are the Wasp's stings? I've seen them be little more than an annoyance, but I've also seen them be pretty substantial blasts.

[Franklin Richards]

She can blast holes in concrete.



:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Anubis]

I believe they're even more powerful when she's at full size, or even Giant.

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought she didn't have them when she's at full size.

[Anubis]

Seen her use em at full size. The wings too. The beginning of Ultron Unlimited comes to mind.

[Rain]

So, why are the X-Men living in San Francisco?

[Manic]

So, why are the X-Men living in San Francisco?

Because it's one of the most awesome mofoing cities on the planet! :cmad:

Seriously:
After their mansion was destroyed for the 800th time, Cyclops decided to find a new place to move the X-Men. San Francisco turned out to be a pretty mutant-friendly city, and Mayor Sadie Sinclair saw Cyclops & Emma save the city from Mastermind. The mayor said the X-Men would be welcome to stay there.

Since then, the X-Men have sorta become San Francisco's official superhero team.

[Silicon Surfer]

The Wasp's powers increase as she shrinks. Her body mass is converted to energy which is shunted into her powers. Her speed and strength increase too. She becomes strong enough to bend steel bars.

[WolfCypher]

Anyone know when the Grim Hunt TPB is coming out?

[lixdexia]

what is marvel.1?

saw a cover for cap 615.1 with a marvel.1 logo on it. what is this?

[Tron Bonne]

Issues numbered like that are suppose to be new reader friendly if I remember correctly.

EDIT: Yep, and here's other series that'll have it: http://marvel.com/news/all.14529.marvel~colon~_point_one_begins_in_februa ry_2011

[lixdexia]

Issues numbered like that are suppose to be new reader friendly if I remember correctly.

EDIT: Yep, and here's other series that'll have it: http://marvel.com/news/all.14529.marvel~colon~_point_one_begins_in_februa ry_2011 (http://marvel.com/news/all.14529.marvel%7Ecolon%7E_point_one_begins_in_fe bruary_2011)
cool, thanks

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, they're meant to be reference points for upcoming stories. If you're not reading Invincible Iron Man but you're interested in doing so, you can pick up its .1 issue and (ideally) get a complete, done-in-one story that also gives you some indication of where the series will be going in the next year or so.

[Sundancer]

I got two doozies there:


1. For some reason I'm having trouble finding out if the main 7 part Civil War storyline is in a graphic novel format. If so, is it stand-alone? I keep finding "Frontline" and all these other ones.


2. If Daredevil can hear someone's heartbeat, why doesn't he go deaf from regular noises? Can he control how "super" he lets his senses get? (for those who have seen the movie "Senseless," use that as reference popint?


Please no smart-ass answers. If you don't know or if it's never been explained, just say there's no clear answer.

Thanks!

[JewishHobbit]

I got two doozies there:


1. For some reason I'm having trouble finding out if the main 7 part Civil War storyline is in a graphic novel format. If so, is it stand-alone? I keep finding "Frontline" and all these other ones.

Yes it is collected in a graphic novel format simple entitled Civil War and yes it is readable on it's own. There is one scene that is kinda wierd by itself that takes place right after an issue of Amazing Spider-Man, but it's not so bad to where you can't get it quickly. There's some build up to it in the main mini so it's not bad.

[Havok83]

What is this Im hearing about Black Panther being the new Daredevil. Say what? Is this taking place in Daredevil's series or BP? What happened to Murdock?

[TheCorpulent1]

It's taking place in Black Panther: The Man Without Fear. BP basically hangs around Hell's Kitchen after Shadowland and fights crime there. He also loses all of his tech and stuff because of Doomwar, I believe, so he's going all grim-n'-gritty on Hell's Kitchen.

[Havok83]

thats a new series thats debuting? Did they cancel his recent ongoing? Is Daredevil's ongoing still around? Will Storm be with BP? I cant see her slumming it up in Hell's Kitchen. What a downgrade from her Wakandian palace...lol

[TheCorpulent1]

Changes the title of Daredevil but keeps its numbering. Same deal as The Incredible Hulk becoming The Incredible Hercules a few years ago, basically. Daredevil is going to be without an ongoing for the foreseeable future, I think. Tom Brevoort mentioned that when he unveiled the .1 initiative, i.e. Daredevil won't get one because he doesn't have a comic at the moment.

I don't think Storm's been mentioned, but I haven't followed the news on BP too closely.

[JewishHobbit]

Daredevil will have a mini called Daredevil Reborn.

[Havok83]

So T'challa kicked Daredevil out of his own ongoing....lol. nice. I dont see the point behind that though considering unlike Hercules, BP has or rather had an ongoing of his own. Couldnt they just have changed the title to that?

This thread is the first Im eharing of this .1. It looks dumb and confusing at the same time

[TheCorpulent1]

The numbering's a bit confusing, but I applaud the initiative. Anything that helps people find a way into ongoing comics is a good thing.

[Havok83]

How does it help people find a way into the books? Im not getting that?

[TheCorpulent1]

It provides a jumping-on point. If someone makes their way to a comic book store and expresses interest in one of these series in the first place, it's an easy issue for retailers to mention as a starting point.

[Shockdingo]

The stories will be accessible to new readers; they wont be continuity heavy but rather pick up and go. Also I believe titles under that will come out multiple times a month so the story is contained.

[Vartha]

Issues numbered like that are suppose to be new reader friendly if I remember correctly.

EDIT: Yep, and here's other series that'll have it: http://marvel.com/news/all.14529.marvel~colon~_point_one_begins_in_februa ry_2011 (http://marvel.com/news/all.14529.marvel%7Ecolon%7E_point_one_begins_in_fe bruary_2011)
....wow....a form of continuity at Marvel....who'd a thunk it?

[Havok83]

Im sorry but you guys didnt make it any easier to understand. As an old reader it confuses the heck out of me, so I cant imagine it being any easier for someone that doesnt know these books. Wouldnt it just be simpler to reboot the books back to issue #1? Captain Ameica #1 is simple enough to understand as a good jumping on point than CA #615.1

[TheCorpulent1]

But then they'd restart the series every year. Plus, restarting the numbering is not even appropriate. Ed Brubaker is continuing his plot threads from the rest of his Captain America run, but #615.1 is intended to be enough of a fresh start for new readers to jump on.

[Vartha]

well yes and no Havok. The 615 basically for CAP is how many books he's had for his own title since he's had his own title back in the 60's.
The ".1" is the start of each new Story arc. Let's say Cap has a story that lasts 5 issues. The FIRST part of that story say starting with issue 615 and starting a new arc on 620. Each book would be numbered like this,
615.1, 616.2, 617.3, 618.4, 619.5, 620.1
It's just a numbering of each "chapter" of that Arc.

[Vartha]

heh who would've thought continuity would confuse people.....

[Anubis]

Only people not smart enough to keep up. :o

[Havok83]

But then they'd restart the series every year. Plus, restarting the numbering is not even appropriate. Ed Brubaker is continuing his plot threads from the rest of his Captain America run, but #615.1 is intended to be enough of a fresh start for new readers to jump on.

well yes and no Havok. The 615 basically for CAP is how many books he's had for his own title since he's had his own title back in the 60's.
The ".1" is the start of each new Story arc. Let's say Cap has a story that lasts 5 issues. The FIRST part of that story say starting with issue 615 and ending on 620. Each book would be numbered like this,
615.1, 616.2, 617.3, 618.4, 619.5
It's just a numbering of each "chapter" of that Arc.
I see. Why isnt simply writing part 1 on the cover of each new story enough? Its whats been done for years and I think thats easy enough to undestand thats the start of a new story.

I think Marvel's approach is counterinituitive and I wouldnt be surprised if its abandoned within the year. I dont think new readers pay that much attention to the number on the title. I think that only matters when they do reboot back to #1

[Vartha]

Who knows Havok? I would think the same thing unless they plan on going farther with the numbering system.

[Calavera]

ok i was going to make a thread on this but if rather post it here because its kind of stupid

are there any sites or books that talk about the drama behind the comics?

i was reading on the story behind clone saga and found that very interesting and want to read more on marvel's offices.

[runawayboulder]

ok i was going to make a thread on this but if rather post it here because its kind of stupid

are there any sites or books that talk about the drama behind the comics?

i was reading on the story behind clone saga and found that very interesting and want to read more on marvel's offices.

I don't think there is one, main site that catalogs these behind the scenes stories. I would suggest checking out blogs by creators. Most of the stuff I've found because I've stumbled upon it through Google. Another thing is checking the references section on the bottom of a wikipedia page. Eventually you stumble on to something. It's like falling down an internet rabbit hole.

Here's a couple of things I've found that are great reading:
http://www.peterdavid.net/archives/002234.html
http://www.digital-priest.com/comics/adventures/frames/spidey.htm

CBR.com also does a weekly article called Comic Book Legends Revealed where they confirm or debunk a popular comic book urban legend. There's some interesting stuff there.

[Anubis]

Hell, sometimes all you gotta do is hang around a message board. Like what went down with McDuffie getting kicked off JLA.

[Varient]

Hell, sometimes all you gotta do is hang around a message board. Like what went down with McDuffie getting kicked off JLA.

I still find that irritating.

[Anubis]

I find it hilariously irritating.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nature of the beast. I've been losing my sympathy for comic creators lately. They know what they're getting into, they know the medium is editorially driven because it's the editors who've gotta coordinate these massive shared universes they've been locked into for the past several decades. True, it can be taken to extremes, like with DiDio changing his mind every five minutes and all of his subordinates having to scramble to catch up; but it can also be taken to the other extreme, like with Joe Quesada letting Bendis and others get away with whatever they want or just stopping Young Avengers for years because Heinberg couldn't be bothered to finish what he started. All things considered, I'd prefer a more editor-driven industry where the comics come out on time and things are well-coordinated, but I suspect we're well beyond that at this point. We'll continue trundling along with the barely organized chaos we have now, the pendulum shifting from one extreme to the next rather than finding a happy medium, forever.

[Iron Man]

What exactly are the Scarlet Witch's regular powers? I know they're something to do with hexes and chaos magic and reality manipulation, and I know that at her insane peak she's able to warp and rewrite reality completely, but what does she actually do at her kind of baseline? I've read her in tons of Avengers stories over the years and I've gotta say, I've never really had a firm grasp on her abilities.

[Varient]

What exactly are the Scarlet Witch's regular powers? I know they're something to do with hexes and chaos magic and reality manipulation, and I know that at her insane peak she's able to warp and rewrite reality completely, but what does she actually do at her kind of baseline? I've read her in tons of Avengers stories over the years and I've gotta say, I've never really had a firm grasp on her abilities.

Opinion:
She's at the extreme end of tweaking probabilities to where she can change reality.

Example given: Told to split a large chunk of concrete, Stark recorded it's condition before and after she tossed a whammy at it.

Before the test, the concrete was fault free,... everyone present saw for themselves as the recording did.

After the test,.. the concrete was fractured along the lines she aimed for,... and even though everyone remembered the concrete started out as one piece, the recording showed it had always had those fracture lines.

So her "hex" bolts tweak probabilities to differing amounts based on her intent and amoumt of omf she puts into it.

On the extreme end,... she can bring back the dead by making the probable happen of their never dying.

My only Questions that was never answered to my satisfaction:

Are all her effects permenent? If you killed her, would everything she whammied snap back to thier previous state? Or worse yet,.. slowly fade?

When she brings you back from the dead,.. are you effectivly immortal? If so, Clint and Wonderman will be spending a lot of time together with Mr. Immortal.

[Manic]

The way I understand it, she affects probability fields. She causes the unlikely to become more likely. Like let's say there's an unlit candle on a table, but the chances of it suddenly lighting itself are 1,000,000:1. She shifts the probably field around the candle, causing that 1,000,000:1 ratio to become 1:1, so that the candle suddenly lights itself.

If you've ever read/watched the movie/watch the TV show/listened to the radio show of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, she's basically the Improbability Drive in human form.

[Havok83]

I never understood her powers either. That makes her sound very similar to other luck based characters like Domino, Longshot and Roulette. Whereas Domio and Longshot powers worked internally, affecting their own probabilities, Roulette's was external, affecting other forces. Is that kinda how Wanda's powers are?

[Anubis]

I like Manic's explanation.

[TheCorpulent1]

She did learn some legitimate magic from Agatha Harkness and others, too.

[Anubis]

Which may or may not have happened, knowing what we know about Wanda. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Nah, Chthon was all like, "Chaos magic totally exists, you suckers just believed it didn't for a while 'cause I'm awesome." All because Dan Slott couldn't live in a Bendisized world of no chaos magic. :D

[Anubis]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. God bless that chunky Bald comic book genius.

[runawayboulder]

I like Manic's explanation.

It is pretty much dead on from what I've always read about her.

[Silicon Surfer]

Wanda's powers change the odds that highly improbable but possible events will occur. Her powers are more diverse than the others mentioned but less reliable. Wanda doesn't always get what she wants. The others powers affect only good or bad luck in a general sense but always work properly. Originally Wanda had no control over what happened, she just cast her hex and hoped that it would be something useful.

[lixdexia]

Nah, Chthon was all like, "Chaos magic totally exists, you suckers just believed it didn't for a while 'cause I'm awesome." All because Dan Slott couldn't live in a Bendisized world of no chaos magic. :D
bless that man

[Manic]

There was a time when Dan Slott explained away every continuity error he could find in the Marvel Universe. Like the people from Earth-Alpha who come to Earth-616 and pose as their counterparts, thus explaining any time a character shows up in the wrong place or in an old costume.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, I miss that kind of stuff. Not only did it make sense, it was hilarious. :D

[Specter313]

There was a time when Dan Slott explained away every continuity error he could find in the Marvel Universe. Like the people from Earth-Alpha who come to Earth-616 and pose as their counterparts, thus explaining any time a character shows up in the wrong place or in an old costume.

My favorite of those was how vindicated She-Hulk was that it was her counterpart, and not herself like everyone else thought, that slept with Juggernaut. :hehe:

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, she was really upset about that. Poor Jugs. :funny:

[Iron Man]

The way I understand it, she affects probability fields. She causes the unlikely to become more likely. Like let's say there's an unlit candle on a table, but the chances of it suddenly lighting itself are 1,000,000:1. She shifts the probably field around the candle, causing that 1,000,000:1 ratio to become 1:1, so that the candle suddenly lights itself.

If you've ever read/watched the movie/watch the TV show/listened to the radio show of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, she's basically the Improbability Drive in human form.

:up: Thanks, that makes sense. So she's almost like a super-charged Domino?

[Anubis]

I'd say Domino is a under powered Scarlett Witch.....with Guns.

[Shockdingo]

And hot albino skin mmmmmmmm.....what? Don't look at me like that!

[Havok83]

Who is the strongest female in Marvel in terms of pure strength? I'd imagine it would be either Ms. Marvel or She-Hulk? Anyone stronger than either of them?

[TheCorpulent1]

She-Hulk was definitely the strongest during her Jupiter suit days. She jacked her powers up so high that she needed a special suit just to interact with normal things in the world. I would guess she's still the strongest, but I may be forgetting some obscure other ones.

[Havok83]

I just read that She-Hulk can lift in excess of 100 tons. Ms. Marvel can normally lift 92 tons but can augment her phsyical strength as she absorbs energy, far suprassing that limit. The only other signficant strength based females I can think of are Thundra and the other 2 female Hulks. I dont think the X-men have any now that Rogue lost her MM powers. Oh wait theres M but she's definetly not on their level

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, I didn't even know Ms. Marvel was that high. I thought she was around half of She-Hulk's strength without absorbing energy.

[Havok83]

Wow, I didn't even know Ms. Marvel was that high. I thought she was around half of She-Hulk's strength without absorbing energy.
this is what I got from Comicvine. Not sure what book or issue this occured in

Recent tests by Avengers scientist Hank Pym (http://www.comicvine.com/hank-pym/29-2247/) have shown that Ms. Marvel's base strength level is still increasing. Even when not augmented by any additional energy, Carol can now lift 92 tons and strike with a similar level of force, and Pym has theorized that this is likely not her limit.
http://www.comicvine.com/ms-marvel/29-21561/

[TheCorpulent1]

Huh. Seems like everyone gets a power boost when they have their own comic. :awesome:

[LOBO3315a]

I read that Red She-hulk (Betty Ross) was strong enough to warp reality. Meaning she could literally punch holes between dimensions.

But She-Hulk (Jennifer Walters) is probably the strongest female hero. Didn't know Ms Marvel could augment her strength though.

[TheCorpulent1]

Aw, and here I thought Red She-Hulk wasn't quite as stupid as Red Hulk. Turns out I was wrong. :o

[Shockdingo]

What? I haven't seen Betty doing that. Where'd you read that?

[LOBO3315a]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Ross

Under Powers and Abilities:

Red She-Hulk has enormous superhuman strength, stamina, durability, and a healing factor (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Healing_factor) that allows her to easily survive what would normally be fatal injuries to humans, such as stab wounds to the leg and abdomen by Wolverine (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Wolverine_(comics))'s claws.[16] (http://forums.superherohype.com/#cite_note-Hulkv2.2316-15)

Similarly to her husband, Betty's strength level is so vast that it warps the laws of physics (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Laws_of_physics) even further than standard for other characters in the same fictional continuity, for example allowing her to punch her way through dimensional barriers between different universes.[10] (http://forums.superherohype.com/#cite_note-Pym_capture-9)

Unlike Hulk and the original She-Hulk, Betty does not grow stronger with her rage, but shares the Red Hulk's ability to absorb energy, such as the gamma radiation (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Gamma_radiation) from other Hulks, thereby reverting those beings to human form, and at least temporarily boosting herself.[17] (http://forums.superherohype.com/#cite_note-16)

Also like her father, Red She-Hulk has yellow blood, and produces yellow energy from her eyes when angry.[16] (http://forums.superherohype.com/#cite_note-Hulkv2.2316-15) It is unknown if she can also discharge energy by touch as he can

[Varient]

Who is the strongest female in Marvel in terms of pure strength? I'd imagine it would be either Ms. Marvel or She-Hulk? Anyone stronger than either of them?

Current?
By canon Nova "should be"
(Nature of her powers should allow her to be as strong as she wants to be.)
But I'm sure that someone would argue that She-Hulk is it,.. followed by Ms Marvel,...

Problem with Ms Marvel? She's operating at less than half her potencial (sp).
As Binary with the power of a "white hole" behind her she rises to low end Phoenix class, couple of rungs below Storm in "I don't give a crap" mode.

[HighFivingMF]

Are there any good Hulk stories that don't feature other Hulks? No She-Hulks or Red Hulks or Skaars or any of that?

[TheCorpulent1]

"Planet Hulk." No other Hulks, but there are the Warbound, several of whom are close to the Hulk's level, and Caiera, who's practically at his level. Oh, and the Silver Surfer Savage.

[WompuM]

Has Hulk ever been shown to have body hair, e.g. armpit hair, chest hair, back hair, pubes?

[Anubis]

He had a beard once.

[lixdexia]

Has Hulk ever been shown to have body hair, e.g. armpit hair, chest hair, back hair, pubes?
yes, the maestro was/is pretty hairy

[Shockdingo]

And post Onslaught / Bannerless always had arm (and chest) hair.

[Ipodman]

So I picked up the latest (I think) issue of Uncanny X-Men... Is the Kurt that Emma Frost mention Nightcrawler?

[Anubis]

What did she say? Cuz you know, he's currently dead.

[Scarecrow_King]

I read on Wikipedia that Marvel may be picking up what happened/will happen with Jean Grey and the Phoenix after War of Kings. Did Phoenix have anything to do with that story, or was it just saying that they wanted to get War of Kings out of the way before tackling Phoenix?

[Manic]

I read on Wikipedia that Marvel may be picking up what happened/will happen with Jean Grey and the Phoenix after War of Kings. Did Phoenix have anything to do with that story, or was it just saying that they wanted to get War of Kings out of the way before tackling Phoenix?

One of the problems with Wikipedia is that it's edited by fans who like to speculate and guess.

As far as I know:
During the War of Kings prelude titled X-Men: Kingbreaker, Rachel Summers and a Shi'ar man named Korvus (who himself is the grandson of another Phoenix host) simultaneously lost their connections to the Phoenix Force. Some time later, other people with connections to the Phoenix Force all lost it.

It was revealed that Hope Summers (Cable's adopted daughter and the "Mutant Messiah") is the new host of the Phoenix Force. Marvel has made no announcements about plans to bring back Jean Grey.

[Scarecrow_King]

hm. Like nobody expected Hope to be the next Phoenix host. :whatever:

I want Jean back.

[Havok83]

So I picked up the latest (I think) issue of Uncanny X-Men... Is the Kurt that Emma Frost mention Nightcrawler?
yes. She named her gray hairs after him and some other dead person she knew

[Manic]

hm. Like nobody expected Hope to be the next Phoenix host. :whatever:
A bunch of fans expected Hope to somehow be Jean reborn. :whatever:

That reminds me. I never got to do my "I told you so" dance.

WHt40yobses

[runawayboulder]

Are there any good Hulk stories that don't feature other Hulks? No She-Hulks or Red Hulks or Skaars or any of that?

Yeah, pretty much everything Peter David ever wrote on the book. Especially his early stuff when the Hulk went from green to gray again and became Mr Fixit in Las Vegas. That was a great period.


Has Hulk ever been shown to have body hair, e.g. armpit hair, chest hair, back hair, pubes?

Right before the Illuminati shot him into space he was roaming around Alaska with some pretty decent lumberjack fuzz. Some artists have drawn him with armpit hair. As for pubes, I heard he's a shaver......:oldrazz:

[Havok83]

A bunch of fans expected Hope to somehow be Jean reborn. :whatever:

That reminds me. I never got to do my "I told you so" dance.

WHt40yobses
I dont think she is Jean but its still a bit too early for that considering Marvel has yet to fully tell Hope's story. Theres still alot of unanswered questions regarding her which they will drag out for some time to come

[Scarecrow_King]

I haven't been really been reading the X-books since House of M. isn't Hope just the first mutant born since M Day? why would she have a connection to Jean?

[Anubis]

Red hair, high level psi powers, girl.

[Scarecrow_King]

so she just looks like her? I guess they'll pick it up pretty soon and explain the connection. I've been meaning to get back into the X-world lately anyway. I might pick up some trades.

[Havok83]

Red hair, high level psi powers, girl.
she hasnt been shown to have any psi powers. As of now, she's a mimic, being able to take on the powers of others around her and she somehow is able to stabilize the mutations of the 5 Lights. Strongest connection to Jean is the Phoenix Force

[Anubis]

By having all the powers of every mutant, she has psi powers....am I correct? Check and mate. :o

[Shockdingo]

Plus she scared Emma by doing the exact same pose (even I think it was drawn by the same artist) that Jean did to Emma in Warsong when she was all Phoenix-y. (I think that was the title)

[runawayboulder]

Brubaker was dropping those clues since Messiah Complex when baby Hope had such an obsession with Scott's medallion containing a pic of him and Jean.

[Ipodman]

What did she say? Cuz you know, he's currently dead.

She said she named one of her grey hairs after Kurt, who is apparently dead, which I didn't know :wow:

So I'm very outdated when X-men is concerned

yes. She named her gray hairs after him and some other dead person she knew

Thats creepy.

Plus she scared Emma by doing the exact same pose (even I think it was drawn by the same artist) that Jean did to Emma in Warsong when she was all Phoenix-y. (I think that was the title)

Woooh... I'm reeeally outdated...

[Manic]

I dont think she is Jean but its still a bit too early for that considering Marvel has yet to fully tell Hope's story. Theres still alot of unanswered questions regarding her which they will drag out for some time to come

The only question I have is "Who is Hope's biological father?" Other than that, what's there to know? We know her biological mother was a fire fighter named Louise Spalding, and we've followed every significant moment in Hope's life since she was born. She pretty much can't be Jean Grey because she's 17 years old and has her own life and identity. Nobody has even said she looks like Jean, and there's a bunch of people on Utopia who knew Jean when she was a teenager. It's not too early to say they're different people. It's too late to make them the same.

[Drz]

Does the super soldier serum effect Steve's brain? As in: He learns superfast like a super computer.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nope. His mind does process information faster, but more in the sense that he can dodge low-speed bullets or subconsciously work out the complex geometry for his shield throws. I've never seen any indication that he got an IQ boost or absorbs information faster or anything.

[Havok83]

By having all the powers of every mutant, she has psi powers....am I correct? Check and mate. :o
not really. She doesnt have all powers of every mutants. She has the ability to mimic all powers of mutants. Thats like saying Rogue is a telepath bc she can access any power by taking it from someone. She doesnt have them inherently. As of now it looks like she can access different powers within proximity but we have not seen her display any psi-power that is strictly her own. It would be interesting to see her alone away from everyone and see if she can do anything at all

The only question I have is "Who is Hope's biological father?" Other than that, what's there to know? We know her biological mother was a fire fighter named Louise Spalding, and we've followed every significant moment in Hope's life since she was born. She pretty much can't be Jean Grey because she's 17 years old and has her own life and identity. Nobody has even said she looks like Jean, and there's a bunch of people on Utopia who knew Jean when she was a teenager. It's not too early to say they're different people. It's too late to make them the same.
The working theory is that she has no father and that Hope was created as a vessel for when Jean eventually returns, having collected all the phoenix pieces. Do I beleive this? No, but it isnt out of the realm of possibilities. I personally think she is the Phoenix Force, a physical representation of it and it took on a form similar to (but not identical to) Jean bc of its close bond with her. As far as no one telling Hope she looks like Jean, we dont know that they havent. Not everything happens on panel. We didnt get the scene of Beast's conversation with Scott upon leaving the X-men until months later. They are purposely avoiding and not being straight to continue on with this mystery. In Gen Hope #1, Hope wrote that she was told about Jean. We dont know if she saw a picture though

Plus she scared Emma by doing the exact same pose (even I think it was drawn by the same artist) that Jean did to Emma in Warsong when she was all Phoenix-y. (I think that was the title)
Jean wasnt in Warsong. That happened in Sisterhood in Uncanny

[Iron Man]

The working theory is that she has no father and that Hope was created as a vessel for when Jean eventually returns, having collected all the phoenix pieces. Do I beleive this? No, but it isnt out of the realm of possibilities. I personally think she is the Phoenix Force, a physical representation of it and it took on a form similar to (but not identical to) Jean bc of its close bond with her. As far as no one telling Hope she looks like Jean, we dont know that they havent. Not everything happens on panel. We didnt get the scene of Beast's conversation with Scott upon leaving the X-men until months later. They are purposely avoiding and not being straight to continue on with this mystery. In Gen Hope #1, Hope wrote that she was told about Jean. We dont know if she saw a picture though

1) In Hope's diary of the first issue, she mentioned that others told her about the Phoenix Force. Did anyone mention Jean Grey? It's been well-established that Hope has red hair and green eyes. Has anyone brought up that she bears an uncanny resemblance to her?

I want to write a gag along the lines of "Hope looks nothing like Jean! Hope's not at all moldy" – but I'm not sure I'll get away with it.

The splendid essay at the back of the issue – the work of Mike O'Sullivan from Jeph York's premise – is basically an entertaining (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29442#) way of presenting Hope's story so far. As such, it's going to have to be a little bit more explicit about stuff which Hope may or may not be as sure on, so anyone new to the book knows that the cosmic-firebird imagery has a disturbing precedent. I wouldn't take it as 100% literal canon in its flourishes, except the part about peanut butter.

(That's hyper-ur-canon. Hope loves Peanut butter. You will believe the Mutant Messiah can make a tasty sandwich).

So it should be taken as Hope's aware that something is up and people aren't really telling her about it yet. If we're going to have someone sit down and tell hope about the Phoenix and Jean Grey, that'll happen on panel and will be important.

People are being sensitive about it for the understandable reason that it's a lot to drop on someone. They're watching, trying to support her, and seeing if it is actually a real thing or something else. To stress the point: Hope has lost her father a couple of weeks – at most – ago. No one wants to drop a "Oh, some of us are worried you may be a planet-killing cosmic force" on her. Especially since, in her emotional state, it could – hypothetically – be the sort of thing that could precipitate a real disaster.
On the other hand, Hope's a smart girl. If no one tells her – given enough time – she's going to find it out for herself.

That's a long and rambling answer when I could have just said, "No."

Er...no, they haven't mentioned she looks like Jean.

Taken from here (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=29442).

[Havok83]

thanks. I saw that before. It hasnt been addressed on panel yet, not bc it is a non issue, they just arent ready to go there yet. They are going to drag out Hope's origin and the complete answer behind her further down the line, most likely in the next big X-men crossover where she plays a prominent role.

[Iron Man]

thanks. I saw that before. It hasnt been addressed on panel yet, not bc it is a non issue, they just arent ready to go there yet. They are going to drag out Hope's origin and the complete answer behind her further down the line, most likely in the next big X-men crossover where she plays a prominent role.

Yeah, probably. Which is really annoying because I actually expected all that to be done and answered in "Second Coming", so by this point for me, a solid explanation feels really overdue. Generation Hope had a pretty strong start, though.

[TheCorpulent1]

Just remember how long it took to get Cable's origin or the identity of the third Summers brother. ;)

[Iron Man]

Just remember how long it took to get Cable's origin or the identity of the third Summers brother. ;)

:csad: The thing is, I remember all the writers going on about how "Second Coming" was going to be "Hope's story" and was going to "answer a lot of questions" and the like. Turns out I was more confused coming out of it than I was going in.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't know, I didn't read it. She seems interesting enough in Generation Hope, though. I have been reading that.

[Havok83]

I thought Second Coming would answer all questions once and for all bc it was the culmination of a trilogy which started with Messiah Complex 2 years ago. Unforutnately SC didnt feel like a finale but just another transitinoal story till the next big X-event.

As far as the 3rd Summers brother, man that one was horrible. Thats probably the longest dragged out X plot, not including Wolverine's origin

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think Wolverine's origin was dragged out so much as Weapon X was pretty much meant to be it. That took care of his immediate past, which was enough. Writers just made that air of mystery a part of Wolverine's character because they never actually expected to reveal his origin completely. Origin was an afterthought that they trotted out just to have a big, attention-grabbing event.

[Havok83]

thats why I dont include it bc him not having a defined origin was part of his appeal. Im sure some wondered but I dont think Marvel ever had any intentions of going there till they announced they were several years back

[runawayboulder]

Does the super soldier serum effect Steve's brain? As in: He learns superfast like a super computer.

He's got a high level of intelligence as a military leader but I've never heard of it being due to the serum. But then again it does enhances his senses....

[lixdexia]

ultimate steve does, 616 steve does not

[javi1024]

did they ever explain in the old Claremont X-Men books why Storm was drawn with cat eyes?

[HighFivingMF]

did they ever explain in the old Claremont X-Men books why Storm was drawn with cat eyes?
They mixed up their Halle roles.

[MarvelWarrior]

How many beings have Thor killed?

[Franklin Richards]

We talking giants, trolls, dark elves, gods, or humans?


:thor: :thor: :thor:

[MarvelWarrior]

We talking giants, trolls, dark elves, gods, or humans?


:thor: :thor: :thor:

If you can give me an answer to all of those it'd be greatly appreciated.

[Anubis]

1,000's, 1,000's, 1,000's, 100's, 1,000's.

It should be noted that if you kill the same guy over and over again in various past lives, it only counts as one kill.

[Shockdingo]

I've always wondered about Spider-man's vulnerability. We know he can take tons of damage, but if a normal, but strong athlete punches him, will it hurt him? Or is it that he can be hurt by normal things just like a normal guy, but he has a higher "breaking point?"

[MarvelWarrior]

1,000's, 1,000's, 1,000's, 100's, 1,000's.

It should be noted that if you kill the same guy over and over again in various past lives, it only counts as one kill.

Any notable humans he killed?

[Anubis]

Do Alternate futures count? If so, he killed just about everybody. Hulk, Thing, Strange, etc.

[TheCorpulent1]

He killed the Void/the Sentry and the Wasp recently.

[Anubis]

I though he just teleported Wasp to a nowhereverse.

[Havok83]

did they ever explain in the old Claremont X-Men books why Storm was drawn with cat eyes?
Her original design was based off of an amagalm of character called Black Cat and 2 others that Cockrum originally created for the Legion of Superheroes, but she was never used. When he came on as artist to the X-men, he used several of his designs for other characters, most notably Nightcrawler and various members of the Shiar's Imperial Guard

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/9423/cockblackcat.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

I though he just teleported Wasp to a nowhereverse.
Oh yeah, the Oververse or whatever. The opposite of the Microverse, I think.

[Anubis]

Isn't she kinda still alive anyway? Just with a mansion built around her boobs?

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know. I think Pym might've said she's in suspended animation or something. We'll probably have to wait until she comes back to figure out what the hell happened to her in the first place.

[Anubis]

Still, must be nice to stick your hand out the window and feel your ex wife's giant boobs. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Jocasta didn't think so. :)

[Anubis]

Who cares, she's a glorified Living Doll. She knew what this was. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Still can't be fun to finally score with your creator, only to find that you were doin' it over his ex-wife's giant crotch the whole time.

[Anubis]

The fact that she was banging "God" (her words) was creepy enough.

[Manic]

If you could bang anyone in the universe, you might as well go for a god.

[TheCorpulent1]

That's Hercules' motto. :up:

[Varient]

I've always wondered about Spider-man's vulnerability. We know he can take tons of damage, but if a normal, but strong athlete punches him, will it hurt him? Or is it that he can be hurt by normal things just like a normal guy, but he has a higher "breaking point?"

Form follows function.

He can bench roughly 25 tons and run over 110 mph w/o injury,... so his body has to be durable enough to do things like that.

To answer your question: IF Peter let the punch connect, (see spidey sense and spidey speed for explanation), in costume Peter would probably not feel much. Out of costume, Pete has gotten pretty good at "acting" in situations like that.

Of course this is only my opinion based on my need that comics make sense and follow the rules they lay down for powers and abilities.
:doh:

[MarvelWarrior]

Still can't be fun to finally score with your creator, only to find that you were doin' it over his ex-wife's giant crotch the whole time.

Wait, Hank had sex with the robot Jocasta??? And Wasp boobs are a mansion?

[Specter313]

Heh, just check Slott's run on Mighty Avengers.

[Lucien]

What is the Anti-Force that Thor shoots from Mjolnir?

[Franklin Richards]

If Wasp is in the Macroverse then why didn't Spidey and the FF see her when they went there on an adventure? I'm sure her boobs were hard to miss.


:ff: :ff: :ff: