Official Villian Casting & Discussion Thread

[Sebastos]

I don't ever want to see Morbius in a Spider-Man movie, just my opinion.

[Spider-ManHero12]

THIS!? YOU LIKE THIS????!!!!!!!!!
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/Morbius%201.jpg Why is that a bad thing? Morbius is an awesome Villian in my and other peoples opinions. Why are you making it sounds like it's such a bad thing?

[Oscorp]

Why is that a bad thing? Morbius is an awesome Villian in my and other peoples opinions. Why are you making it sounds like it's such a bad thing?

Maybe he's simply got a different opinion? :whatever:

[david icke]

Maybe he's simply got a different opinion? :whatever:

An opinion that consists of posting a comic book cover and nothing else. If everybody did that there would be no disscussion at all, I think that's why he was asking.

[Oscorp]

An opinion that consists of posting a comic book cover and nothing else. If everybody did that there would be no disscussion at all, I think that's why he was asking.

Saying "Do you really want to see this?" and posting a picture of a comic is pretty much like saying "I wouldn't want Morbius in any movie" as quite alot other people have done. So he brings as much to the discussion as people who say "I would like to see Morbius in a movie".

[Venom'sDad]

Can we move on.... away from Morbius

[Spider-ManHero12]

Maybe he's simply got a different opinion? :whatever: Ocne again, you don't understand what I'm saying. He made it sound like he's attacking the people who like Morbius.

[david icke]

Saying "Do you really want to see this?" and posting a picture of a comic is pretty much like saying "I wouldn't want Morbius in any movie" as quite alot other people have done. So he brings as much to the discussion as people who say "I would like to see Morbius in a movie".

He posted it like there was something there on the cover that illustrated why there was something inherantly dumb about the character without explaining. No harm in asking why he felt this way, and someone asking 'why?' certainly didn't warrant one of those silly little eye roll smilies.

edit: and yeah, asking 'what the fudge is wrong with you?' if you like Morbious is his way of joking around, and possibly getting a rise out of any Morbious fans, while asking how can you possibly like this character. He should be ready for folk to ask exactly why he doesn't like him. Maybe if some long lost Ditko issue was unearthed that introduced Morbius we wouldn't be having this conversation. But who knows...who the fudge knows...we can only ask and hope vainly for a reply, no harm in that.

[zeptron]

Spider-man should not be fighting vampires in a live action movie. Morbius would fit better in a Blade reboot.

There's tons of better villains anyway. So they shouldn't waste a movie on him.

[Oscorp]

He posted it like there was something there on the cover that illustrated why there was something inherantly dumb about the character without explaining. No harm in asking why he felt this way, and someone asking 'why?' certainly didn't warrant one of those silly little eye roll smilies.

edit: and yeah, asking 'what the fudge is wrong with you?' if you like Morbious is his way of joking around, and possibly getting a rise out of any Morbious fans, while asking how can you possibly like this character. He should be ready for folk to ask exactly why he doesn't like him. Maybe if some long lost Ditko issue was unearthed that introduced Morbius we wouldn't be having this conversation. But who knows...who the fudge knows...we can only ask and hope vainly for a reply, no harm in that.

Good point, I'm sorry to sound off harsh Spider-ManHero12.

Spider-man should not be fighting vampires in a live action movie. Morbius would fit better in a Blade reboot.

There's tons of better villains anyway. So they shouldn't waste a movie on him.

Agree! I don't dislike Morbius, but I neither like him. We've seen vampires so many times now. Having one in Spider-Man too would be pretty boring if you ask me. Honestly, they should take advantage of the great rogue that Spidey has, and letting great villains like Scorpion, Electro, Mysterio, Kraven, Shocker, Chameleon, Lizard etc. step aside for a vampire would make me really frustrated.

[Spiderine]

Can we move on.... away from Morbius
Hopefully Raimi and the writers have moved away from the idea as well.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Good point, I'm sorry to sound off harsh Spider-ManHero12. Meh, that's okay. :yay:

[Vile]

I wouldnt mind seeing Vulture or Scorpion. Mysterio is still my favorite choice, though.

Just please...no Kraven. Please no.

[Spidey_62]

Didn't a Sony rep already say Morbius wasn't the villain a few months ago? Why are we still talking about him?

[Carlo Comicus]

It contains this:
"Hi I’m spider-man, with great power comes great responsibility my uncle
told me that before he was killed and i could have prevented that but i didn’t because i was selfish and greedy. Years later i find out the person who really killed my uncle and i don’t kill me i let him go. so clearly I’m a serial killer i killed a man before who didn’t deserve it."

How could anyone think this is real? The first page was okay, but then you start reading the second page and find this? I mean, come on, did the guy who made this even try to make it look real?

I'm agree.

[Sebastos]

If I didn't want Kraven, then i'd want it to be Lizard and Vulture.

[Nightmare]

Lizard & Kraven would be a nice combo. Depending on who would play Kraven.

[Brimay]

He posted it like there was something there on the cover that illustrated why there was something inherantly dumb about the character without explaining. No harm in asking why he felt this way, and someone asking 'why?' certainly didn't warrant one of those silly little eye roll smilies.

edit: and yeah, asking 'what the fudge is wrong with you?' if you like Morbious is his way of joking around, and possibly getting a rise out of any Morbious fans, while asking how can you possibly like this character. He should be ready for folk to ask exactly why he doesn't like him. Maybe if some long lost Ditko issue was unearthed that introduced Morbius we wouldn't be having this conversation. But who knows...who the fudge knows...we can only ask and hope vainly for a reply, no harm in that.


I like your logical views on things david.
But if ditko originally did morbius i wouldn't be suprised imo he's a wacky person.

And on that reaveling goblins identity with romita, yes but what is there to reveal without out ditko first creating it??

[Brimay]

I would only like this please....:woot: And MAYBE a side of a kraven i'm still not to sure about him, but he seems to go good with the doc...conners that is.

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/amazing-spider-man/6-3.jpg

[SpideyFan914]

Morbius is sweet, but I don't tghink he's deep enough to carry a movie.

I doubt we'll ever see Vulture 'cause he was supposed to be in SM3 before Venom was suggested, but was scrapped because Raimi couldn't think up a Peter Parker connection.

And that script is so fake. I haven't even read, but I know it's fake. A page of script is about a minute long - that "movie" would be about 40 minutes.

[zeptron]

I never was really that fond of Kraven. I don't see really anything special about him. He's a normal human being. I can't see him having a good action scene in a live action movie. Spider-Man is mainly a CGI character, so it makes sense to have a mainly CGI villain.

Electro would be much cooler to see on screen or in a fight than Kraven.




I doubt we'll ever see Vulture 'cause he was supposed to be in SM3 before Venom was suggested, but was scrapped because Raimi couldn't think up a Peter Parker connection.



No it was scrapped because Arad forced him to put Venom in the movie. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Sandman was originally gonna be Uncle Ben's killer, so neither villain would have had some kind of connection to Peter.

[SpaceWay2009]

To add to that, Vulture, Sandman, and Green Goblin 2 were originally going to be the villains. Raimi had it all planned out for the third, until Arad forced the symbiote storyline. Originally, Vulture was going to help Sandman break out of prison. That's all I know. There's more to it. I'm sure others can add to that. But just because Vulture was removed from SM3, doesn't mean he won't appear.

[GoldGoblin]

Scorpion would be cool,cause he would have agility like spidey,super strength,stick to walls,has a killer tail,wears battle armor,and has a tough guy personality.The SM3 game showed all of that.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Scorpion would be cool,cause he would have agility like spidey,super strength,stick to walls,has a killer tail,wears battle armor,and has a tough guy personality.The SM3 game showed all of that.

I liked him in the game aswell.

[Spider-Vader]

I never was really that fond of Kraven. I don't see really anything special about him. He's a normal human being. I can't see him having a good action scene in a live action movie. Spider-Man is mainly a CGI character, so it makes sense to have a mainly CGI villain.

Electro would be much cooler to see on screen or in a fight than Kraven.





No it was scrapped because Arad forced him to put Venom in the movie. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Sandman was originally gonna be Uncle Ben's killer, so neither villain would have had some kind of connection to Peter.

Kraven (if I remember right) got injected with some serum that was like Cap's & it gave him super powers like heightened smell, speed, strength, etc... So it's reasonable that he could take Spidey on hand-to-hand while doing some fancy tricks. Plus, I imagine an intense scene where Kraven is sniping at Spidey & Spidey has to figure out where it's coming from.

[GoldGoblin]

If we see Kraven get injected with super soldier serum and he is like Blonsky in the Incredible Hulk movie,then it could be cool.But for the movieverse,I think Kraven would be better played by a female.

Because a male with skin tight animal print clothes would not work on screen,but for a female it would be sexy,and it would be refreshing to see a female villain.

[david icke]

And on that reaveling goblins identity with romita, yes but what is there to reveal without out ditko first creating it??

Well, not much really. At that point the Goblin was a great visual design, but plotwise he had done what? Tried to kill spidey on a movie set with the Enforcers and got mixed up with some gangsters, hardly the stuff of the classic villan he would later become.
If Ditko had his way we would've had the secret I.D. of a villan who hadn't done that much yet to be revealed as someone completely unknown to Peter Parker. I.e. like every other villan at that time.

with the Romita/Lee story we got the classic villan who was used in the 1st movie, and who gave us all those classic stories where he messed with Spidey's head, not to mention Gwen Stacey.
This is where the clasic Goblin everyone knows was created.
No-one did any further interesting stories with the Meteor-Man, next time he showed up was in Marvel Team up in some not so good stories.
Point being that if no-one had done any further stories with the Goblin after Ditko left he would not have be known as a classic Spidey villan.

I just think it's a mistake to stick with Ditko villans for the movies, there have been many great stories and villans written after his time.

[Venom'sDad]

If we see Kraven get injected with super soldier serum and he is like Blonsky in the Incredible Hulk movie,then it could be cool.But for the movieverse,I think Kraven would be better played by a female.

Because a male with skin tight animal print clothes would not work on screen,but for a female it would be sexy,and it would be refreshing to see a female villain.

Ooohhh yeahhhh. I like..... the way you think. ;)

[Adrian89]

Because a male with skin tight animal print clothes would not work on screen,but for a female it would be sexy,and it would be refreshing to see a female villain.
AGREE, but this on the other hand..

But for the movieverse,I think Kraven would be better played by a female.
... no, just NO!

[bubbadoom]

Yeah, there have been some good Spidey villains after Ditko [Shocker, Rhino] but they can get to those AFTER they do the great Ditko villains [Lizard, Kraven, Electro, Mysterio, Scorpion, Molten Man, etc.].

[david icke]

Yeah, there have been some good Spidey villains after Ditko [Shocker, Rhino] but they can get to those AFTER they do the great Ditko villains [Lizard, Kraven, Electro, Mysterio, Scorpion, Molten Man, etc.].

Yeah, I would like to see some of the classics first, primarily the Lizard, Vulture and Kraven. The Scorpion storyline could be good too and invlove JJJ in the main plot if they went with the comics.
But if they think of a good storyline that involved a later villan they should just go for it.
I'd love to see the original Hobgoblin storyline done somehow. The Jackal was one I found pretty scary when I was a kid, but I don't know about doing the clone storyline in a movie, Kingpin was another classic that came after Ditko.

[SpideyFan914]

Well, not much really. At that point the Goblin was a great visual design, but plotwise he had done what? Tried to kill spidey on a movie set with the Enforcers and got mixed up with some gangsters, hardly the stuff of the classic villan he would later become.
If Ditko had his way we would've had the secret I.D. of a villan who hadn't done that much yet to be revealed as someone completely unknown to Peter Parker. I.e. like every other villan at that time.

Actually, and I don't know if this true or not, but I heard somewhere that Ditko had planned on revealing Gobby to be Ned Leeds. :wow:
It would have certainly created a very different Spider-Man mythos, but I actually think it could have been extremely interesting....

Anyway though, here's a list of villains I would like to see in movies:

Vulture (He's underrated, and I hope you're right about the Arad thing. Definitely not enough to carry it all by himself, though.)
Electro (Not enough to carry his own movie, probably, but grouped with someone else, he could work.)
Mysterio (And he could carry his own movie! Maybe SM5 or 6?)
Kraven (Only grouped with Lizard. I'm not really a Kraven fan aside from Kraven's Last Hunt and Spectacular Kraven.)
Scorpion (Again, certainly enough to carry a movie. I hope we get him sometime in the next 3.)
Beetle (Like that's ever gonna happen. :whatever:)
Spider-Slayers (I'm surprised no one's brought them up yet. Either one of the Smythes could certainly be a main villain sometime.)
Kingpin (If only it weren't for the rights issue....)
Silvermane (If they ever get Kingpin, I would love to see Silvermane in a Tablet of Time thing.)
Man-Wolf (They have John.)
Jackal (Clone Saga, woot! woot!)
Carrion (Because he's soooooooooo awesome!!!)
Hobgoblin (I really like this guy, and I agree that his initial era is my favorite era of the comics....)
The Rose (Would be neat as a side-villain if Kingpin were to become possible.)
Puma (Oh, come on! He deserves notice! No time soon, anway....)
Cardiac (If the series lasts long enough, then yes, Cardiac would be awesome! Though, obviously, he needs another villain in there to play off of. He is, after all, more of an anti-hero....)
Carnage (Duh.)
Shriek (She is actually, believe it or not, one of my favorite Spidey villains. Read "The Shrieking" if you have any doubts. Shriek is BRILLIANT!)

Lizard (My SM4 choice! With or without Kraven.)

[zeptron]

Unless they do the "Lizard tries to turn everyone into lizard people" plot I don't see him being the only villain.

And I'm sick of sympathetic villains. I know it's inevitable for The Lizard to be sympathetic. That's why we need another villain who's just plain evil.

[Adrian89]

I wish to see Scorpion and another villain with him in the further movies, but he will most likely be another one of these "sympathethic" villains. For me what matters is to get a good movie, I don't care about every aspect, if the villain is sympatethic it's not a tragedy, but it would be pretty predictable, I'm pretty tired myself of the good guy gone bad and becomes good again in the end.

I'd like to see some EVIL villains for once too, I'd love to see Carnage (but only if done right) or even Shriek. Hobgoblin should work well too, but not now, it's enough with the Goblins for now.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

AGREE, but this on the other hand..


... no, just NO!

It's happening in the comics you know?

[Oscorp]

It's happening in the comics you know?

So? That makes it automatically good or what?

[Vis]

Anyone who makes Kraven The Hunter a woman should have their freakin' nads removed. And the comic books doing it just means that the writer(s) sucks ass.

[Vis]

Unless they do the "Lizard tries to turn everyone into lizard people" plot I don't see him being the only villain.Sony has already announced that it's gonna be TWO villains.

And I'm sick of sympathetic villains. I know it's inevitable for The Lizard to be sympathetic. That's why we need another villain who's just plain evil.You and me both. But Sam Raimi will unfortunately turn every villain sympathetic, I blame his lack of creativity, range and knowledge of the villains.

Kraven could be the hunter and killer that the series needs, with no connection to Peter Parker, and less use of fake ass looking CGI.

Just because Curt Connors is a sympathetic type character, The Lizard shouldn't be, he like Kraven should have many body counts--if they're the villains. It's all in the writing, there lots of cool elements that they can use from Kraven's Last Hunt and some classic Lizard books.

[Spider-Fan83]

what’s with all this female Kraven talk...???

if you want a Kraven like, female villain why not just use, Calypso?
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7874/spiderman45villainscaly.jpghttp://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7871/calypso249.gif (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/calypso249.gif/]http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7871/calypso249.gif)[/URL]
(you could maybe have Kraven still as part of her origin, an/or even make an appearance, maybe as a set up for future use of him, near the end)

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

So? That makes it automatically good or what?

I can't tell you, haven't seen a comic feuturing kravena.

[Venom 1988]

Anyone who makes Kraven The Hunter a woman should have their freakin' nads removed. And the comic books doing it just means that the writer(s) sucks ass.

Turning Kraven into a Girl = Bad
Kraven having a daughter in recent comics = Good

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah... Spidey needs a Talia Al Ghul type villain.

[Spider-Vader]

Having Kraven become a girl is stupid. If they want a girl villain they should have Black Cat or Calypso.

[iamlegend]

Having Kraven become a girl is stupid. If they want a girl villain they should have Black Cat or Calypso.

They need to introduce Black Cat to this series. There's so much they could do with her, and it'd help Spider-Man not be so bland when he's in costume.

[BigSams50]

They need to introduce Black Cat to this series. There's so much they could do with her, and it'd help Spider-Man not be so bland when he's in costume.


i agree, i also hope they make spidey have a couple of jokes here and there

[Vis]

Yeah... Spidey needs a Talia Al Ghul type villain.No, he doesn't.

[Vis]

They need to introduce Black Cat to this series. There's so much they could do with her, and it'd help Spider-Man not be so bland when he's in costume.Nope, you don't need a fake ass Catwoman to make Spider-Man less bland--you need a better writer and director who understands the character.

[Hobgoblin]

I never was really that fond of Kraven. I don't see really anything special about him. He's a normal human being. I can't see him having a good action scene in a live action movie. Spider-Man is mainly a CGI character, so it makes sense to have a mainly CGI villain.

Electro would be much cooler to see on screen or in a fight than Kraven.





No it was scrapped because Arad forced him to put Venom in the movie. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Sandman was originally gonna be Uncle Ben's killer, so neither villain would have had some kind of connection to Peter.

Kraven isnt normal. :huh: He has enhanced speed, strength, agility and senses. Plus he is a professional hunter, so he can set traps and track his "prey."

But you're right. Vulture was taken out because Sam was forced to include Venom.

Turning Kraven into a Girl = Bad
Kraven having a daughter in recent comics = Good
Yup.

[Oscorp]

No, he doesn't.

Agree

Nope, you don't need a fake ass Catwoman to make Spider-Man less bland--you need a better writer and director who understands the character.

Agree again

[Venom'sDad]

you need a better writer and director who understands the character.
Huh<sigh> I wish Sony and some of the posters here can grasp whole heartily, that statement.
:up:

[Ace of Knaves]

If only Osborne wasn't killed off. Gobby would make a great re-occuring menace.

Even as just plain old Norman Osborne he could be a string puller behind the scenes.

[Venom'sDad]

I agree AofK... but it is what it is now.

[Adrian89]

It's happening in the comics you know?
I don't care though.

Having Kraven become a girl is stupid. If they want a girl villain they should have Black Cat or Calypso.
Obviously!

They need to introduce Black Cat to this series. There's so much they could do with her, and it'd help Spider-Man not be so bland when he's in costume.
Me too, they could make a good story with this. I hope she will be in either SM4 or 5.

[Spider-ManHero12]

they want a girl villain they should have Black Cat or Calypso. Agreed, and if i had ot choose which, I'd probably choose Black Cat. If Calypso had to be in a Spidey film, I'd say make her be along side with Kraven.

[Carlo Comicus]

http://www.justpressplay.net/movies/movie-news/5732-spider-mans-uncertain-future.html

Interesting article.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Tbh, I'm against the fact that Sony thinks they won't reurn for 5 & 6. Will they return? I'm doubting it, but we shouldn't jump to conclusions.

[Vis]

It doesn't matter if Tobey/Kirsten return and that includes Raimi. There are other actors and directors who can do a better job. You just have to be willing to take your time and find them. The audience won't give damn if you make great film either way. The key here is to make a great film.

[King of Kings]

It doesn't matter if Tobey/Kirsten return and that includes Raimi. There are other actors and directors who can do a better job. You just have to be willing to take your time and find them. The audience won't give damn if you make great film either way. The key here is to make a great film.

Agreed, only thing that could make the film worse with changing cast and such around is if they give the Spidey costume nipples.

[Spiderine]

Having Kraven become a girl is stupid. If they want a girl villain they should have Black Cat or Calypso.
Totally unnecessary change.

[Dark Victory]

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing The Lizard. Curt Connors has been developed enough in the last two films and I could definitely see a horror vibe with the character(a scene in the sewers, etc.) and we all know Raimi's an expert in that genre.:o

[GoldGoblin]

They could make Kraven an alien who comes to earth to find something good to hunt,kinda like the Predator character.

[Oscorp]

They could make Kraven an alien who comes to earth to find something good to hunt,kinda like the Predator character.

hahahaha, good one!

you joked...right?

[Goran]

hahahaha, good one!

you joked...right?

I'm afraid he didn't :(

[King of Kings]

I'm afraid he didn't :(

I'm afraid your right.:csad:

[chaseter]

http://www.justpressplay.net/movies/movie-news/5732-spider-mans-uncertain-future.html

Interesting article.
It was interesting. But, he called himself a true Spidey fan/comic nerd and he can't even spell Kraven right:huh::dry:

[chaseter]

They could make Kraven an alien who comes to earth to find something good to hunt,kinda like the Predator character.

hahahaha, good one!

you joked...right?

I'm afraid he didn't :(

I'm afraid your right.:csad:

I will join in. Oh my gawd:csad:

[Adrian89]

They could make Kraven an alien who comes to earth to find something good to hunt,kinda like the Predator character.
W0W! Your ideas are truly brilliant. :dry:

[Spider-Vader]

They could make Kraven an alien who comes to earth to find something good to hunt,kinda like the Predator character.

:dry:

[Vis]

It's that kind of thinking that scares the shiz out of me about this franchise. I already believe that Raimi/Sony/Marvel are completely jaded about what to do next with this series. Horrid ideas coming from fanboys isn't going to help matters. Turning Kraven into a woman or an alien, is the apex of asinine.

Kraven is great the way he is, minus his jungle attire for the movie version.

[SymbioticToxin]

^ The jungle look could work, depending on how they do it. Tone it down, anyway. The lion vest is ok, the leopard pants is a big no-no.

[zeptron]

They could make Kraven an alien who comes to earth to find something good to hunt,kinda like the Predator character.

I don't know what would be worse making Kraven female or this.

[Venom 1988]

They could make Kraven an alien who comes to earth to find something good to hunt,kinda like the Predator character.

I still find it hard to believe that you're the same guy who actually used to have good ideas 4-5 years ago

[iamlegend]

Nope, you don't need a fake ass Catwoman to make Spider-Man less bland--you need a better writer and director who understands the character.

Hey, guess what? WE'RE GETTING SAM RAIMI.

I know so many of you hate him. But it's what they're going with.

So, my original statement still stands.

[zeptron]

I don't even remember Raimi getting this much hate before SM3 came out. After the first two practically everybody was praising him.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Agreed! It's the bulls*** cycle of the fans. They make a few good movies of a series, you love him/her. Then, They make a movie some people thought was awesome (I did) and some didn't, then they hate him/her.

[Hectorminator]

My view on Sam Raimi is this:

I still love the guy because he made two AWESOME Spider-Man movies. They are a big part of my (geek) life and I can always go back and watch those and be happy. Without him, we wouldn't have Iron Man or Dark Knight.

He made a troubled third movie. I would rather forget it, but if I have to, I can accept that the events of Spider-Man 3 happened and will affect the future of the series.

He certainly has the potential to make the best one yet with Spider-Man 4. So bottom line: I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. There were people who didn't like Sam's style before Spider-Man 3 for sure, but afterwards everybody DID jump on a bandwagon.


I just hope the script is awesome. Everything else should fall into place nicely after a polished script.

[Venom'sDad]

Check the archives... there was plenty of posters who where not please with Sam immediately after SM2. In some cases, I was one; but I gave him another chance, and defended him like many of you are doing right now.

Believe you me, there were many who was not to happy with Sam.

[Spiderine]

They could make Kraven an alien who comes to earth to find something good to hunt,kinda like the Predator character.
What has happened to you Goldy? :csad:

[Oscorp]

My view on Sam Raimi is this:

I still love the guy because he made two AWESOME Spider-Man movies. They are a big part of my (geek) life and I can always go back and watch those and be happy. Without him, we wouldn't have Iron Man or Dark Knight.

He made a troubled third movie. I would rather forget it, but if I have to, I can accept that the events of Spider-Man 3 happened and will affect the future of the series.

He certainly has the potential to make the best one yet with Spider-Man 4. So bottom line: I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. There were people who didn't like Sam's style before Spider-Man 3 for sure, but afterwards everybody DID jump on a bandwagon.


I just hope the script is awesome. Everything else should fall into place nicely after a polished script.

I'm one of the few who never liked Spider-Man 2 that much. It's an OK movie for me, but they screwed Doc Ock up imo. Spider-Man 3 is a complete rubbish disaster of a failure which only would serve as punishment for evil inmates in prison.

However, I really liked the first movie and I have a feeling Sam Raimi can make a great Spider-Man 4. He seems to be more excited now than before, as he wants to redeem himself this time.

[VenomVsSpidey]

I'm one of the few who never liked Spider-Man 2 that much. It's an OK movie for me, but they screwed Doc Ock up imo. Spider-Man 3 is a complete rubbish disaster of a failure which only would serve as punishment for evil inmates in prison.

However, I really liked the first movie and I have a feeling Sam Raimi can make a great Spider-Man 4. He seems to be more excited now than before, as he wants to redeem himself this time.

no opinions are wrong, so I cant say anything about that, but i personally feel each film out-does one another as they progress. i loved raimi before Spiderman (evil freaking dead!) and i was one of those who backed him during, and after 3.

[BDS23420]

i would love to see Lizard and Electro!

[anrrd_2]

want to see mecca rhino and mecca scorpion! after the lizard of course :)

[SymbioticToxin]

^^ Agreed! It's the bulls*** cycle of the fans. They make a few good movies of a series, you love him/her. Then, They make a movie some people thought was awesome (I did) and some didn't, then they hate him/her.
I used to be like that. But I decided to be the opinionated one and listen to the goopd and bad sides of things. Besides, the only person I hate from all the movies was Kirsten Dunst. She can still redeem herself though.

[King of Kings]

For me it wasn't just Raimi that dropped the ball on Spidey 3, it was a collective performance on that part but after Spidey 1 & 2 I'm confident Raimi can pick the ball back up.:yay:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Check the archives... Where?

[Spider-Vader]

The only thing I don't like about Rami is that he doesn't give Spidey a personality under the mask. He's more like Boba Fett than Spidey. Well, except without the killing.

[GoldGoblin]

Have Peter tutor a fellow student (Kraven) in Dr.Connor's class where Peter finds out that this kid gets straight A's by hunting for someone's secrets where he then blackmails them into either doing his homework,giving him the answers,or if it's a teacher,just gives him an A.

It might make Kraven better to make him the same age as Peter.Make him a character who isn't a jock or a brain,more like a user to get the things that he wants.

But one late night when Peter,Dr.Connors,Gwen,and Kraven is working late on a project,Dr.Connors injects himself with the serum that they have been working on that will regrow his lost limb.

Nothing happens and Kraven is bored and he can't sit still,he looks around and sees Gwen's purse on the counter next to him.He glances over it and sees from the opening that Gwen has a stun gun lying in there.

Kraven grabs it out of her purse and starts teasing her with it,saying why do you have this.Gwen is trying to take it back from Kraven,when Kraven accidentally bumps into Dr.Connors with it.

The jolt of electricity from the stun gun transforms Dr.Connors into the Lizard right before their eyes,Kraven is no longer bored.

The Lizard knocks Gwen out with his tail,and Peter reacts and fights off the Lizard.Kraven runs behind the counter where knocked out Gwen is to see if she is ok.

But Kraven is more interested in watching the fight.Kraven sees Peter flipping around,shooting webs,and Kraven sees that he has some juicy info to blackmail Peter with,but he doesn't want an A in the class for it.

The fight ends when the Lizard knocks Peter into a door that sends Peter sliding across a hallway and into an elevator as the doors are just about to close.Peter can't escape the elevator with the other people inside of it.

So after the elevator doors open and everyone gets out,Peter makes his way back to Dr.Connors class where you see the window broken out as the blinds are blowing back and fourth from the wind.

Kraven blackmails Peter into making him a super soldier serum so he can help spidey take on the Lizard.Kraven said you know how,it's basically the serum Dr.Connors made,but without the lizard DNA in it.

Peter having no choice agrees to do it.But what Peter doesn't know is that Kraven wants fame and money and now he has the power to do it by taking out spidey and the Lizard.

[Vis]

No, crazy ass.:doh:

[bubbadoom]

wha....

Here's an idea, stick to the comics!

[Adrian89]

GoldGoblin, you come up with the worst ideas ever, no offence, but this is one of those times which I'm glad that movie makers don't listen to the fans twisted ideas.

[UnionJack]

Anybody mentioned people Shocker or Rhyno?!

I don't think carry a film as the main villain but maybe as a support one?

[HughJackFan420]

Michael Papajohn as Hobgoblin & Lizard as the main villain with cliffhangers for the Sinister 6. maybe a cliffhanger w/Doc Ock's return and Electro working under Kingpin.

otherwise I would like for them to expand on the symbiote story with Carnage and Venom's return.

[BlackLantern]

keep Kraven as his original character...maybe make him a celebrity with a hit hunting show (kind of like The Crocodile Hunter)...but keep Sergei Kravinoff as is, he hears about this "spider-man" in New York and decides he needs a challenge after travelling the world and taking down most every animal out there....don't make him a student, don't make him and Pete friends....

[zeptron]

Michael Papajohn as Hobgoblin & Lizard as the main villain with cliffhangers for the Sinister 6. maybe a cliffhanger w/Doc Ock's return and Electro working under Kingpin.

otherwise I would like for them to expand on the symbiote story with Carnage and Venom's return.

:dry:

[UnionJack]

I'd rather we have no more symboite stuff.

Just didn't work.

[Spider-Vader]

keep Kraven as his original character...maybe make him a celebrity with a hit hunting show (kind of like The Crocodile Hunter)...but keep Sergei Kravinoff as is, he hears about this "spider-man" in New York and decides he needs a challenge after travelling the world and taking down most every animal out there....don't make him a student, don't make him and Pete friends....

That would be good. Have Lizard in as the "villain/Peter" relationship Rami seems to love.

[Silverstein]

It always confused me how Raimi seems to love villain/Peter but just refuses to throw Black Cat in there. She -NEEDS- to be in one of these films before they go downhill.

[BlackLantern]

It always confused me how Raimi seems to love villain/Peter but just refuses to throw Black Cat in there. She -NEEDS- to be in one of these films before they go downhill.

they are already on the downhill slope....3 is evidence of that

[Silverstein]

True, but, it's the second highest grossing superhero film ever, it tried to do the most, and would have succeeded if not for minor and a few major flaws.

Film breaking major problems:

-Trying to make Sandman be Uncle Ben's killer
-Trying to do Venom in 30 minutes (add up all of Brock/Venom's unscreen time)
-Gwen all of a sudden
-Aunt May and Jarvis (I know, relax) having to explain things to characters that good writing and characterization should have let them figure out on their own.
-The movie being over 2 hours, because they tried to cram so much into one movie. They should have made this two films...or explained some of this in sm2 or sm1(like why didn't we see Brock rivaling throughout the series?).

Sure, most problems are subjective and I'm leaving out some, but the point is that without things -like- this, the movie could have been amazing. That's the difference between a good film with flaws, maybe a good film that was ruined by flaws, and a film that was trash.

If you can take away major flaws from a movie or replace them with simple fixes and have a decent film, then it's okay.

[BlackLantern]

but they didn't and the film is broken because of it

[GoldGoblin]

They should make the Tinkerer a crime boss who uses his brains to wreak havok on the city of New York.He could give his henchmen and thugs on the streets powerful weapons and gadgets that make them into super villains.

Its a way to see more classic villains without giving them half of the movie to focus on their characters.

[Vis]

Damn GoldGoblin, you have some silly ass ideas.

[Silverstein]

When the series dies and they start doing made for tv movies...Let's see a "Spot" special!

[marvelanddcfan]

:hehe:

This guy's dead.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

This guy's dead.

Edit: Oh, I see, but he wasn't dead by the time I made the comment I think.

[anrrd_2]

i loved the spot...by far the most emotionally dynamic character in the series :up:

[anrrd_2]

honestly, i hope they go back to single villian platform, at least for the 4th movie.

Doc connors turns into the lizard. this is a much more emotionally challenging character for peter to fight, as opposed to a crazy scientist he had met only days before. or a random convict he happens across in the city.

i say give MJ a rest, have peter dating gwen.

introduce Mac Gargan, a private detective hired by JJJ to find out how peter gets those crazy cool shots of spiderman.

Felicia hardy is peters study partner in his lit class. peter, being a scientist, struggles in this class. they dont get along (this will add depth to any future connection between spidey/black cat)

Lizard accidentally kills gwens father (his tail knocks over a chimney, crushing him in much the same way that green goblin killed him in the comics. she blames spiderman, adding further dynamic to there relationship.)

of course, some killer action scenes between spidey and lizard.

neither felicia nor mac become there alter egos. perhaps a cliffhanger in the end of the film. Felicia finds out that her beloved father is dying in prison and goes to see him one last time. he tells her everythins about his past as the famous burglar "the cat".

oh, and in the fourth film....NO MORE CYING! I'm lookin at you Tobey! :nono:

anyway, just some thoughts. hope you like it :)

[Vis]

Tobey was constantly crying because the idiotic and unnecessary part of the script called for it, sometimes you all act like the actors write these films. You gotta place blame where it belongs, Sam Raimi and team of mediocre writers.

[anrrd_2]

the script calls for sadness...sadness can be emoted in a number of ways. and even if the script said "he cries", grow some balls and say (in your best tom hanks voice) "theres no crying in spiderman!" :)

you are right, the blame goes to all involved. writer, director, actor, caterer. but as a actor, in a role you've spent the better part of a decade working on, you have to step up and say when something is not right.

[SymbioticToxin]

They should make the Tinkerer a crime boss who uses his brains to wreak havok on the city of New York.He could give his henchmen and thugs on the streets powerful weapons and gadgets that make them into super villains.

Its a way to see more classic villains without giving them half of the movie to focus on their characters.
If they did that, could they have Shocker and Rhino involved with that? It makes sense, ya know? I mean, with your idea of giving street thugs weapons and gadgets, he could make shocker and rhino. Hell, you could go as far as to make Scorpion. But thats just my odd thinking process.

[anrrd_2]

if scorpion and rhino were to be involved, i hope it is in a similar way to the spiderman 3 videogame story. Meccabiocorp offers them a chance to be heroes, then takes over there minds and uses them for personal gain.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/deweese07/ps3-scorpion-big.jpghttp://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/deweese07/Rhino_Ultimate_001.jpg

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

if scorpion and rhino were to be involved, i hope it is in a similar way to the spiderman 3 videogame story. Meccabiocorp offers them a chance to be heroes, then takes over there minds and uses them for personal gain.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/deweese07/ps3-scorpion-big.jpghttp://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/deweese07/Rhino_Ultimate_001.jpg

Agreed.

[Spider-ManHero12]

if scorpion and rhino were to be involved, i hope it is in a similar way to the spiderman 3 videogame story. Meccabiocorp offers them a chance to be heroes, then takes over there minds and uses them for personal gain.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/deweese07/ps3-scorpion-big.jpghttp://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/deweese07/Rhino_Ultimate_001.jpg Ageed.

[Spider-Vader]

Scorpion in the game reminded me of Robocop. I liked it, I actually felt bad for him.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Scorpion in the game reminded me of Robocop. I liked it, I actually felt bad for him.

I think you were suposed too.

[Vis]

the script calls for sadness...sadness can be emoted in a number of ways. and even if the script said "he cries", grow some balls and say (in your best tom hanks voice) "theres no crying in spiderman!" :)

you are right, the blame goes to all involved. writer, director, actor, caterer. but as a actor, in a role you've spent the better part of a decade working on, you have to step up and say when something is not right.If the director wants crying (and he does), the actor has no damn choice but to cry. Raimi has a juvenile brain when it come to Spider-Man, even though they're PG-13 films. Plus, Tobey just isn't into the character enough to care, he phones in his lines, and collects his huge paycheck. :dry:

[Vis]

if scorpion and rhino were to be involved, i hope it is in a similar way to the spiderman 3 videogame story. Meccabiocorp offers them a chance to be heroes, then takes over there minds and uses them for personal gain.
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/deweese07/ps3-scorpion-big.jpghttp://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w271/deweese07/Rhino_Ultimate_001.jpg
Interesting.

Scorpion is like a metal Lizard with the tail, and his tail is designed too much like Doc Ock's tentacles, perhaps in the eyes of the visual effect team. I don't see them using him after they use The Lizard.

However, that Rhino looks great, well, except for the horns on the shoulders. And they just simply won't use the video game ideas. If they did, then people will expect/predict what's gonna happen in SM5 by the story in SM4's game.

[FaT_tONle]

Rhino looks like he can take on the Hulk or Doomsday in that design. The Scorpion design is okay spare the tail.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Rhino looks like he can take on the Hulk or Doomsday in that design. The Scorpion design is okay spare the tail.

Those pics don't do them justice.

[Sentinel X]

^ I dont like them either. Actually I dont like them at all. The classic look is much better. Especially Rhino, he could look a lot more menacing without looking like a cyborg.....have we learned anything from B&R's Mr.Freeze....*shudders* what a suit!

[DarthDaveBanner]

Anyone remember Kraven's design from the MTV show? That would be a good design for a movie appearance.

[DarthDaveBanner]

Anyone remember Kraven's design from the MTV show? That would be a good design for a movie appearance.

[Venom 1988]

^ I dont like them either. Actually I dont like them at all. The classic look is much better. Especially Rhino, he could look a lot more menacing without looking like a cyborg.....have we learned anything from B&R's Mr.Freeze....*shudders* what a suit!

I agree with both, I've come to appreciate Rhino's classic look.

[omid17]

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z277/venomwithin/Rhino.jpg

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ The classic is still my favorite! The thing is, would the original work on film? I mean, of course, it would some thing added onto it for it to work on film.

[Venom 1988]

^^^
Of course it could, Rhino has had some costume changes here and there throughout the years, but they never last, and he's back in the classic suit. So yes it can definitly work, I'm surprised you of all people aren't defending it SMH12

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I think it could defenitely work as well, but what i mean is that it will need some little changes so that it can fit on screen. You know, the suit that I think first appeared in ASM issue 280? Maybe a mixed version of that as well as the classic look could work. Heck, maybe 2 tweeks and the original suit could work perfectly.

[Vile]

Anyone remember Kraven's design from the MTV show? That would be a good design for a movie appearance.


For the love of Jeebus! No Kraven!

Why anyone would wanna see a villain go up against Spider-Man with a knife or spear is beyond me.

Kraven's only contribution to the comics was when he sucked on the end of a shotgun. Before his Last Hunt he was a joke; a 3rd rate stringer.

Hell, I'd rather see the Spot in spidey 4; atleast he has abilities that would look fun on the big screen.

[Hectorminator]

For the love of Jeebus! No Kraven!

Why anyone would wanna see a villain go up against Spider-Man with a knife or spear is beyond me.

Kraven's only contribution to the comics was when he sucked on the end of a shotgun. Before his Last Hunt he was a joke; a 3rd rate stringer.

Hell, I'd rather see the Spot in spidey 4; atleast he has abilities that would look fun on the big screen.

I compare Kraven the Hunter to the Green Goblin or even Captain America in terms of his abilities. He doesn't have powers, per say, just super enhanced olympic-level athleticism, stamina, and reflexes, because of those "witch-doctor" potions he gets from Africa.

And I don't wanna see Kraven use a knife or spear on Spidey, I want to see him capture Spider-Man and bury him alive, then put on a stitched-together Spidey outfit and go scare the crap out of Mary Jane. Then I want to see him commit suicide off-screen. That would be cool to me.

Kraven's a good candidate for a third act after the Lizard takes up the first and second. He's a lot more interesting psychologically than most other Spider-Man villains.

Sometimes villains can be used for more than just abilities that would look fun on the big screen.

[GoldGoblin]

For the love of Jeebus! No Kraven!

Why anyone would wanna see a villain go up against Spider-Man with a knife or spear is beyond me.

Kraven's only contribution to the comics was when he sucked on the end of a shotgun. Before his Last Hunt he was a joke; a 3rd rate stringer.

Hell, I'd rather see the Spot in spidey 4; atleast he has abilities that would look fun on the big screen.

^
I don't know why anyone even created his character.

[GoldGoblin]

ELECTRO:

-A very fat and sweaty guy who has two heart attacks a week is in a waiting room as his name is called to come in and to see the doctor.The doctor tells the man that he needs to lose weight fast to reduce these heart attacks.

The doctor also says that one day the paremedics aren't gonna make it in time with the electric paddles to revive his heart again.That's when the doctor tells him about an experimental medical procedure where they inplant a device into his chest that basically gives him the electric jolt that he needs when he has these heart attacks.

The fat sweaty man says to his doctor that he can't even afford these doctor visits,that he is very poor.The doctor tells the fat man that because it is an experimental procedure,that it is free.

After the opperation,the fat man walks over to the mirror,lifts his gown,and sees something that looks like some sort of alien technology glowing and pulsing blue electricity from it.

The fat man finds out later that this device can also shoot electricity at other things besides his heart,like bill collectors,his cheating wife,his boss,his annoying neighbor,and even spider-man.

LIZARD:

Dr.Connors has found a way to regrow lost limbs using lizard DNA,and during a party to celebrate his discovery in a very tall building.ELECTRO crashes the party to confront his boss who is attending this party.

When ELECTRO confronts his boss and kills him,security intervine to try and apprehend him.Peter changes into his spidey costume during this distraction.Before ELECTRO can kill a security guard,spidey shows up and the two have a big battle where Dr.Connors is hit by a blast of electricity that sends him crashing through the window.

Spider-Man jumps out the window to save his friend without even thinking about it.As spidey reaches Dr.Connors,the electric blast that ELECTRO hit him with is mutating the lizard DNA in his body transforming him into the LIZARD.

SPIDER-MAN and THE LIZARD have a free falling fight,that continues inside the sewers that lies under the streets of NEW YORK.

[sauronthegreat]

I fear that history is going to repeat itself. Every fan talk there is about Spider-Man 4 is around the Lizard and Kraven. Every possible idea that fans come up with is concerning the Lizard, like there is no other possibilities, alternatives where the story could go. I fear that SM4 will suffer the same faith as did the previous film with the Venom character. I really hope that the producers are not taking this ideas seriously and considering in every possible way to put the Lizard and Kraven in there, just like the case with Venom, while the director has his idea concerning the story. I like the Lizard, but in my opinion he could not hold an entire film.. maybe a film that would be a first or second in the franchise, but not as a fourth installment, besides after part two with altered Dock Ock, who in some way resembled the Lizard's character.

[anrrd_2]

couldnt hold an entire film? Dr connors has been in 2 movies already. his relationship as mentor and friend of peter has already been explored (slightly). this villian would carry a more weight and emotional baggage than the last two movies did. i loved spiderman 2, but peter had just met doc ock only days before the accident. hell, he didnt even know sandman...he just met him in the street on day. Lizard could most certainly carry his own film.

[Vis]

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z277/venomwithin/Rhino.jpgIt looks great with the touch of a really good artist, but there's no way in hell they would leave his suit as is. It would get tweaked. Hell, I thought they were going to give us the original badass looking Black Symbiote suit, but they didn't, they just dipped Spidey in black paint. :dry:

[Spider-Vader]

Classic Rhino FTW. But if they don't use him, I say he should be in a Deadpool movie.

[Vis]

I compare Kraven the Hunter to the Green Goblin or even Captain America in terms of his abilities. He doesn't have powers, per say, just super enhanced olympic-level athleticism, stamina, and reflexes, because of those "witch-doctor" potions he gets from Africa.

And I don't wanna see Kraven use a knife or spear on Spidey, I want to see him capture Spider-Man and bury him alive, then put on a stitched-together Spidey outfit and go scare the crap out of Mary Jane. Then I want to see him commit suicide off-screen. That would be cool to me.

Kraven's a good candidate for a third act after the Lizard takes up the first and second. He's a lot more interesting psychologically than most other Spider-Man villains.

Sometimes villains can be used for more than just abilities that would look fun on the big screen.Exactly. Believe it or not, I actually want at least one villain that doesn't need a whole bunch of fake ass looking CGI. Kraven can lift 2 tons--his agility, reflexes, stamina and endurance were also enhanced. He's intelligent, great with various weapons, a brilliant tactician and has own fighting style. How the hell is he not a worthy opponent for Spider-Man?

No matter the villain, I think it has a lot to do with the writer and director. You can have an A-List villain that is total ass on screen, if the writing and direction isn't on par.

[VenomVsSpidey]

ELECTRO:

-A very fat and sweaty guy who has two heart attacks a week is in a waiting room as his name is called to come in and to see the doctor.The doctor tells the man that he needs to lose weight fast to reduce these heart attacks.

The doctor also says that one day the paremedics aren't gonna make it in time with the electric paddles to revive his heart again.That's when the doctor tells him about an experimental medical procedure where they inplant a device into his chest that basically gives him the electric jolt that he needs when he has these heart attacks.

The fat sweaty man says to his doctor that he can't even afford these doctor visits,that he is very poor.The doctor tells the fat man that because it is an experimental procedure,that it is free.

After the opperation,the fat man walks over to the mirror,lifts his gown,and sees something that looks like some sort of alien technology glowing and pulsing blue electricity from it.

The fat man finds out later that this device can also shoot electricity at other things besides his heart,like bill collectors,his cheating wife,his boss,his annoying neighbor,and even spider-man.

LIZARD:

Dr.Connors has found a way to regrow lost limbs using lizard DNA,and during a party to celebrate his discovery in a very tall building.ELECTRO crashes the party to confront his boss who is attending this party.

When ELECTRO confronts his boss and kills him,security intervine to try and apprehend him.Peter changes into his spidey costume during this distraction.Before ELECTRO can kill a security guard,spidey shows up and the two have a big battle where Dr.Connors is hit by a blast of electricity that sends him crashing through the window.

Spider-Man jumps out the window to save his friend without even thinking about it.As spidey reaches Dr.Connors,the electric blast that ELECTRO hit him with is mutating the lizard DNA in his body transforming him into the LIZARD.

SPIDER-MAN and THE LIZARD have a free falling fight,that continues inside the sewers that lies under the streets of NEW YORK.

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2651/stoppostingl.gif

[Vis]

Haha...:D

[rocco2216]

Exactly. Believe it or not, I actually want at least one villain that doesn't need a whole bunch of fake ass looking CGI. Kraven can lift 2 tons--his agility, reflexes, stamina and endurance were also enhanced. He's intelligent, great with various weapons, a brilliant tactician and has own fighting style. How the hell is he not a worthy opponent for Spider-Man?

No matter the villain, I think it has a lot to do with the writer and director. You can have an A-List villain that is total ass on screen, if the writing and direction isn't on par.


Exactly, Venom is an A-List villain and look how he turned out in Spider-Man 3. :up:

[anrrd_2]

Exactly, Venom is an A-List villain and look how he turned out in Spider-Man 3. :up:

must we keep reopening these old wounds?

[VenomVsSpidey]

must we keep reopening these old wounds?


i liked venom from SM3, but


THIS.

[sauronthegreat]

couldnt hold an entire film? Dr connors has been in 2 movies already. his relationship as mentor and friend of peter has already been explored (slightly). this villian would carry a more weight and emotional baggage than the last two movies did. i loved spiderman 2, but peter had just met doc ock only days before the accident. hell, he didnt even know sandman...he just met him in the street on day. Lizard could most certainly carry his own film.

I also think that Lizard could hold an entire film, but not under this circumstances. He is a strong character and can have a story, but in a way that story was already done with part 2. Octavius was Peter's friend in a way, for a brief moment, he inspired him, he taught Peter a moral lesson in the begging and then an accident turned him a monster. Not carrying for other people's lives, only doing the thing he believes is right. In the end he was 'cured' and he redeemed himself. Lizard's story is quite the same as this one. In short: a good doctor, who is peter's friend and mentor turns into a monster and Spider-Man must stop him, but somehow not hurt his friend.

The Lizard would be a great experience to see in a film, but this story would not work. Maybe it will in the fan community, but the general public would not accept it. It would feel as the same story told with only different characters, and Spidey definitely needs something fresh now, something new.

IMO Lizard's story could work in two ways. First: if the character was altered somehow, changed for the film (and Raimi proved that he has tendency of doing that, ex: Octopus & Sandman). Second: if Lizard's plot would be a side story in the film. Maybe have a greater threat (which IMO could not in any case possible be Kraven) and somehow work the story out so that the Lizard would take first half of the film and fit in the finale.

What I am suggesting is that after the Green Goblin, which was a personal and an educating battle; then Octopus, which was a real threat to the city; and Sandman & Venom, which was also personal battle and struggle, Spider-Man must face a real threat, a menace that will threaten the country or the whole world. And I don't think that a hunter or a mutated lizard that lurks in the sewers, could pose such a threat.

I would definitely go with Electro! But not Electro that we all know from the comics that is practicably a joke, but a reinvented Electro (like Octopus was in a way changer to fit the story). A man that can control and become an electric current, his powers could be explored to the fullest, and not just making him a man that shoots yellow beams from his hands, as he's usually presented. What a better menace to threaten the new age of electricity, on which the whole world rely so heavily. He could be unstoppable, and yet Spidey could be that hero that will find a way to stop him.

I also think that with a serious approach to Mysterio, he could be a very interesting villain to see with all his illusions and tricks, and that would be something new to see in a future installment. Chameleon would be something new to Spider-Man franchise with the whole frame plot, especially now that the city likes and worships him. Even with the Chameleon somehow Peter's parents could be explored more, because we now seriously need a good and strong story. Scorpion would be a great villain, because of the whole JJJ plot, who would still believe that Spider-Man is a villain and ultimately creating the Scorpion to destroy him for the second half of the film.

I believe that most of you would not consider other villains as better serving ones for a story, but I really believe that after Octopus and Spider-Man 3 Lizard would be nothing new for the audience, to hold a whole film.

[zeptron]

^And to add to that most of the fans have said that they were tired of sympathetic villains. With Connors being Peter's friend and with his wife and son, they have no choice but to make him sympathetic. We also need a villain who's just plain evil. Before and after he gets his powers. And doesn't turn good at the end.

[King of Kings]

IMO the Lizard could only work if Kraven was in Spidey 4 to, that way you have Spidey fighting to protect the Lizard from kraven but at the same time trying to stop the Lizard without hurting him.

[Venom'sDad]

Kraven's a good candidate for a third act after the Lizard takes up the first and second. He's a lot more interesting psychologically than most other Spider-Man villains.

Sometimes villains can be used for more than just abilities that would look fun on the big screen.

Exactly. Believe it or not, I actually want at least one villain that doesn't need a whole bunch of fake ass looking CGI. Kraven can lift 2 tons--his agility, reflexes, stamina and endurance were also enhanced. He's intelligent, great with various weapons, a brilliant tactician and has own fighting style. How the hell is he not a worthy opponent for Spider-Man?

No matter the villain, I think it has a lot to do with the writer and director. You can have an A-List villain that is total ass on screen, if the writing and direction isn't on par.

Have to agree with both... especially the highlighted.

Great points guys. :up::up:

[conan69]

Kraven and The Lizard make perfect sense together.

Kraven goes to NY to hunt the most dangerous game on the planet.... Spiderman & The Lizard.

Simple.

(edited above because I wasnt very clear)

[anrrd_2]

how about if kraven goes to NY to hunt spidey (because of all of the bad press JJJ gives him) and finds out about the lizard in the process.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ IMO, that would work greatly.

[bubbadoom]

How about JJJ brings Kraven to town to hunt the Lizard as a publicity stunt for the DB?

[colonel sanders]

Isn't about time we get some casting or villain news soon? I mean shooting is suppose to start in January and all we know is raimi, maguire, dunst, and simmons will be back. We don't know of any other cast members or what villains might be. I mean if you go by the timeframe of Spider-man 3 by this point we already knew that thomas haden church and topher grace were cast as villains and that church was going to be playing sandman. We haven't heard anything juicy beyond the car jacker being back and bruce campbell will have a bigger role. But those really aren't that big.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm sure we'll get more soon.

[GoldGoblin]

What if they combined Kraven's character with another villain.Cause i was thinking Kraven could take a small dose of super soldier serum to take on the Lizard,then after his fight with both spidey and the Lizard,he injects himself with even more serum making him even more stronger and bigger where he becomes the Rhino.

[BigSams50]

i hope we get some soon,

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

What if they combined Kraven's character with another villain.Cause i was thinking Kraven could take a small dose of super soldier serum to take on the Lizard,then after his fight with both spidey and the Lizard,he injects himself with even more serum making him even more stronger and bigger where he becomes the Rhino.

What if you stop coming up with ideas that make no sense what so ever, that's would be cool :cwink:

[Vis]

We're getting some news BIG news in 8 days...

[Superhero 101]

Hope we get some more info like, if Bryce is gonna be back?

[Venom 1988]

What if they combined Kraven's character with another villain.Cause i was thinking Kraven could take a small dose of super soldier serum to take on the Lizard,then after his fight with both spidey and the Lizard,he injects himself with even more serum making him even more stronger and bigger where he becomes the Rhino.

Good God do you ever read the ideas you come up with?

[Vis]

Haha...GoldGoblin is at it again...:D

I wonder if he really wants to see what he's saying on screen, or is he just goofing around?

[FaT_tONle]

I say bring in Kraven to hunt Lizard initially. When he realizes that Spidey is the more formidable foe, use Conners, maybe Jameson or other Bugle members as bait to lure Spiderman instead.

[VenomVsSpidey]

We're getting some news BIG news in 8 days...

ORLY?! :awesome:

how do you know this?

[rocco2216]

We're getting some news BIG news in 8 days...

Awesome if true! Is it the announcement of the villains?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Lol, knowing Visionary, lol, he's kidding.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Awesome if true! Is it the announcement of the villains?


i'm pretty sure he's messing around.

[omid17]

GG i hope your just messing with us

[Vis]

Yeah, I am...I need a life and a wife with a BADONKADONK! :o

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Haha...GoldGoblin is at it again...:D

I wonder if he really wants to see what he's saying on screen, or is he just goofing around?

He's probably goofing around, he never reacts to our comments.

[Venom 1988]

I think so...

I don't remember him ever being like this years ago

[VenomVsSpidey]

Yeah, I am...I need a life and a wife with a BADONKADONK! :o

:hehe::hehe::hehe:


most of us do too...myself included:csad:

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm guessing we'll get news in a couple of months.

[Redd]

Okay this is unconfirmed.

But from my casting agency, supposedly they are filming SM4 here in LA for a month starting in November and then they are off to NYC to do the rest of the filming.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Hmm, interesting. Awesome, if true.

[bullets]

We're getting some news BIG news in 8 days...


That's not even comparable to the BIG BIG news we'll be getting in 13 days.

[FaT_tONle]

Vis not IP banned by now with his 500 plus accounts? You would think he would at least not include visionary in his sig or tagline to give himself up, guess he felt he best make an new account with an abbreviated version of his old name as reverse psychology. On second thought... give him a pity account.

[rocco2216]

Okay this is unconfirmed.

But from my casting agency, supposedly they are filming SM4 here in LA for a month starting in November and then they are off to NYC to do the rest of the filming.


Filming with actors? Or just special effect shots like what they were doing with the fight btw Doc Ock and Spider-Man in fall 2002? I don't suppose you have heard who the villain/villains are by any chance, huh? :oldrazz:

[Venom 1988]

Vis not IP banned by now with his 500 plus accounts? You would think he would at least not include visionary in his sig or tagline to give himself up, guess he felt he best make an new account with an abbreviated version of his old name as reverse psychology. On second thought... give him a pity account.

Why do you care so much? I'm actually glad he's back.

[PandaPirate]

I think it will be a secret and a surprise...at least, I kind of hope so. I love it when they do that.

[FaT_tONle]

Why do you care so much? I'm actually glad he's back.

Well... he was back... on that account at least (says Banned User under that new name now). FYI, I have had problems with the guy before. He was randomly coming into threads trolling and flaming me in a couple of threads on different names where you would never expect him. He only made himself slightly more useful in these forums, which is why I wouldn't actually mind if they let him hang around.

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

Okay this is unconfirmed.

But from my casting agency, supposedly they are filming SM4 here in LA for a month starting in November and then they are off to NYC to do the rest of the filming.

I didnt hear that from my end also bruce said filming would start in January of 2010. Maybe principle photography which i heard was in december a while back but not actual filming. Right now all thats filming in ca from central casting ( when I signed into my agency I checked the posts and nothing on spiderman 4. ) is below:

Bones filming at 45 N. San Gabriel Bl and Brothers and sisters is filming at 80 Oakland Av S in Pasadena, CA.

[QWoods]

So this means we should get official villain casting and all that between October 1 and December 31???

[DW4]

Well with filming supposedly starting in January we should be getting news really soon.

[Venomaniac]

That's assuming there IS any casting news...

The only news I can see would be for the villain or villains.

If they're doing Lizard, they wouldn't need to have a press release saying Dylan Baker's in the movie like they did for thomas and Topher, do they?

[FaT_tONle]

I think we'll get Feliecia Hardy casting or another female character some time in November/December and a villain in November and then it's basically gearing up for the teaser late 2010.

[Smit84]

Due to the lack of casting/villain announcements, I really think the villain will be the Lizard. They already have Dylan Baker and I'm sure many of the Lizard shots will be CG or a stunt double.

[GoldGoblin]

Combine Shocker and Electro:

Shocker who has gauntlets that shoots vibration blasts,then later in the movie he upgrades them by making them now shoot out electricity.

[[A]]

I don't check these threads frequently but, has the Lizard look been discussed already..? Look, transformation, all about the character

[colonel sanders]

I think there's got a be a villain along side lizard though. I mean we have already established dr connors as a character and a friend/mentor to peter. Its not like we have to set up his character like we did doc ock in spidey 2. So is the whole movie gonna be peter looking for lizard in the sewers at the same time trying to save his friend. I don't think that story alone would make a good 2 hr blockbuster.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Yeah, somewhat.

[BigSams50]

^ I agree, i would love kraven and lizard.

[QWoods]

I just really hope that Flash comes back so that Felicia can have a better chance of appearing.

If that damn Gwen Stacy and her dad wouldn't have waisted time in SM3, then Felicia would have showed up and made more sense out of things. Felicia in Gwen's role could've gave Felicia a reason to like Spider-Man and not like Peter.

[Venom 1988]

Combine Shocker and Electro:

Shocker who has gauntlets that shoots vibration blasts,then later in the movie he upgrades them by making them now shoot out electricity.

you make no sense

[Spider-Vader]

how about if kraven goes to NY to hunt spidey (because of all of the bad press JJJ gives him) and finds out about the lizard in the process.

I'd like it to be the other way around. But that can work too.

[chaseter]

I don't think they have finished the re-write so I would expect to hear casting announcements by the end of the year or the beginning of next year. Then, I would expect we start seeing some leaked pics during filming next spring/summer and that is when we will finally get a proper villian anouncement/poster next fall.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Next fall? I'd suspect Comic-Con.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Meaing Kraven comes to NYC to hunt Lizard, but finds out about Spidey in the process? IMO, that would work just as greatly.

[rocco2216]

Well Comic Con next year we'll have footage and posters of the villain/villains. But they'll cast him/them in October/November/December and then it'll be obvious.

[NewYorkSpider]

I had a dream last night that Carnage was in Spider-Man 4. :csad: I hope it doesn't come true.

[QWoods]

^^^^what he said lmao

I cannot wait until Comic Con 2010 gets here it is going to be packed with so much news from Thor, Spider-Man 4, Captain America, Green Lantern, hopefully X-MEN something, hopefully Batman something, hopefully not Daredevil or F4 related let the rights slip back into Marvel's capable hands lol

[bullets]

I had a dream last night that Carnage was in Spider-Man 4. :csad: I hope it doesn't come true.



Fortunately with a Venom spinoff there should be no need for Carnage in Spider-man 4

Tobey said personally he doesn't care about seeing anymore villians because he's already faced his favorites ( Ock and Sandman) . I do hope they stick with the classic bunch . We still need to see
Lizard , Kraven,Elecktro, and Vulture. I also wouldn't mind seeing Chameleon , Hobgoblin , Mysterio , or Scorpion.

[Spider-Vader]

I think there's got a be a villain along side lizard though. I mean we have already established dr connors as a character and a friend/mentor to peter. Its not like we have to set up his character like we did doc ock in spidey 2. So is the whole movie gonna be peter looking for lizard in the sewers at the same time trying to save his friend. I don't think that story alone would make a good 2 hr blockbuster.
^This
^ I agree, i would love kraven and lizard.
^& This
^^^^what he said lmao

I cannot wait until Comic Con 2010 gets here it is going to be packed with so much news from Thor, Spider-Man 4, Captain America, Green Lantern, hopefully X-MEN something, hopefully Batman something, hopefully not Daredevil or F4 related let the rights slip back into Marvel's capable hands lol
Don't you mean Disney's? :awesome:

[Spider-Vader]

Yup. That's how I think Kraven would make the most sense. Maybe Spidey saves Lizard everytime Kraven's about to kill him, so Kraven gets mad & decides to go after Spidey too.

[rocco2216]

Fortunately with a Venom spinoff there should be no need for Carnage in Spider-man 4

Tobey said personally he doesn't care about seeing anymore villians because he's already faced his favorites ( Ock and Sandman) . I do hope they stick with the classic bunch . We still need to see
Lizard , Kraven,Elecktro, and Vulture. I also wouldn't mind seeing Chameleon , Hobgoblin , Mysterio , or Scorpion.


LOL, so does Tobey want to fight then? Nobody? :oldrazz:

[NewYorkSpider]

Fortunately with a Venom spinoff there should be no need for Carnage in Spider-man 4

Tobey said personally he doesn't care about seeing anymore villians because he's already faced his favorites ( Ock and Sandman) . I do hope they stick with the classic bunch . We still need to see
Lizard , Kraven,Elecktro, and Vulture. I also wouldn't mind seeing Chameleon , Hobgoblin , Mysterio , or Scorpion.


Most people don't want to see Hobgoblin. I on the other hand would love to see him on screen. I'm hoping for the Lizard and Electro.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Wow, that would be great! Then, maybe, it jsut goes into an all out battle where all 3 are fighting eachother.

[bullets]

Yup. That's how I think Kraven would make the most sense. Maybe Spidey saves Lizard everytime Kraven's about to kill him, so Kraven gets mad & decides to go after Spidey too.



That would be a good idea :up: I'd also like to see Parker try to help Connors in developing a cure at one point.

[bullets]

LOL, so does Tobey want to fight then? Nobody? :oldrazz:

He said this on moviephone unscripted while talking to Topher Grace. I think at the time Tobey was considering not coming back.





Most people don't want to see Hobgoblin. I on the other hand would love to see him on screen. I'm hoping for the Lizard and Electro.


Those are the two I'm really looking towards . If there is a part 5 and 6 , I really want to see a version of the sinister six and i think it could be done.

[venom892]

with 3 movies this is what I want to see the most
The Lizard
Kraven The Hunter
Electro
Mysterio

What I'd like to see but live without
Scorpion
Vulture
Hobgoblin

[Rodrigo90]

Tommy Lister as Tombstone
Matthew Lillard as Carnage
Diora Baird as Black Cat
Gerard Butler as Kraven
Jada Pinkett Smith as Calypso
Mark Whalberg as Hydro-Man
Timothy Olyphant as Hobgoblin
Derek Mears as Scorpion
Dwayne Johnson as Rhino
Stephen Dorff as Electro
Benecio Del Toro as Morbius
Ben Kingsley as Vulture
Jude Law as Alistair Smythe
Richard Roxburgh as Chameleon
Helen Mirren as Madame Webb
Josh Holloway as Shocker

[chaseter]

^^ Next fall? I'd suspect Comic-Con.
Yeah late Summer/Fall. ComicCon is at the end of Summer. I was just thinking of it time table wise. We will get an official villain announcement at ComicCon. If they don't get that script finished soon and start shooting, we won't get any footage at ComicCon:( But, if they don't get on the ball, we might get nothing at ComicCon and instead get a villain announcement and teaser late in the fall like we did with SM2.

[Oscorp]

^ some interresting castings there I must say, as far as looks goes

[zeptron]

How about Joseph Levitt Gordon as Electro?

[Venom 1988]

I dunno, I think Joseph Levitt Gordon does worlds better in non-blockbuster movies.Thats not saying he couldn't do a good job though.

[bullets]

Ben Kingsley as Vulture



Perfect casting IMO. I thought this was already out there though.

[Spider-ManHero12]

IMO, Joeseph Gordon Levitt doesn't fit the role of Electro at all.

[Spidey_62]

Perfect casting IMO. I thought this was already out there though.
Back when Vulture was close to being in SM3, Ben Kingsley was nearly cast as him. That would have been perfect, I hope they can still get him back if Vulture's in a future film.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Perfect casting IMO. Agreed. There's no doubt that the'yll choose him if they decide to put VUlture in S-M4. He was supposed to be in S-M4, but instead, they used Venom. Kingsley is an Academy Award winning actor, which makes it all them roe better. Just a perfect choice to play Vulture overall.

[Rodrigo90]

http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/10300/00VUL.bmp

I remember the comic cover from years ago. When Spider-Man was lying on a roof,as an old man! Cause of Vulture. Gave me nightmares for years. lol

[zeptron]

Wait the Vulture sucking people's youth was actually in the comics? I thought that was just made for the 90s cartoon.

If Vulture is used that's one thing I hope they don't do. I'm glad the SSM version hasn't done this.

[Rodrigo90]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_gr41FEso034/SROQ5ogqjQI/AAAAAAAAWT8/9T_pZordZLg/s400/Tommy+Lister+Jr.+en+El+Quinto+Elemento.jpg
Tombstone

http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/matthew-lillard-the-perfect-score-movie-premiere-0E8m1b.jpg
Carnage

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_zkNuaQJonGM/SOVMhbVLdlI/AAAAAAAABrg/qls0JBPx9dw/s400/diora-baird-maxim-01.jpg
Black Cat

http://static.reelmovienews.com/images/gallery/derek-mears-photo.jpg
Scorpion

http://100grana.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/stephen-dorff.jpg
Electro

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/157/432097424_88fbdde768_o.jpg
Kraven the Hunter

http://201.41.159.133:2380/seufilme/Site/Ator/11292.jpg
Lizard

http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Timothy_Olyphant%20-%201%20-%20Live_Free_Or_Die_Hard.jpg
Hobgoblin

[Rodrigo90]

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/passtheremote/helen-mirren.jpg
Madame Webb

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RPN2OiwASRg/R6qQQD96BgI/AAAAAAAAAEk/sN-49U5rcMo/s400/3823614179.jpg
Mysterio

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9f-5QLXa7_Y/RyN9TIf6xWI/AAAAAAAAAyc/dv54SrCgCso/s320/Blog+Art+-+Richard+Roxburgh2.jpg
Chameleon

http://lasvegas-taxidriver.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/dwayne-johnson.jpg
Rhino

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jFbqtsH14W8/SKJTAIrIMYI/AAAAAAAAB1o/cQaRqwyzVY4/s400/Josh+Holloway.jpg
Shocker

[Rodrigo90]

People think he is Mysterio.

I think he is Dr Strange. Cause when Hoffman and JJ are discussing names for Doc Ock...

"Oooh,er...Doctor Strange?"

"Thats pretty good. But its taken".

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Best bet is Quentin Beck/Mysterio. If you look at it, Bruce has changed characters in every movie. The ring announcer, the snooty elevator tenant, and French waiter. A man like Quentin Beck would see these jobs as more as acting gigs, getting to play multiple characters, then more as just an everyday "go-to-work"-type thing.

This would lead up to maybe MJ gets a role in a Hollywood film being shot in New York, Quentin is there, and when MJ introduces him to Pete, Peter could say, "We've met before... many times."

An accident could occur while shooting, Spider-Man isn't fast enough to save Quentin, and he's badly hurt. In the emergency room, Quentin's mind begins to crack, he blames Spider-Man, and turns to crime.

[R_Hythlodeus]

a bank robber who gets clobbered by spidey

[Rodrigo90]

Yeah some actors do that. I read that Darryl Hannah secretly worked as a stripper to prepare for her role.

If he is Mysterio. I think it would be cool if MJ was working on a movie and Peter sees him filming a scene.

But I think Dr Strange should be on the cards as well.

[Rodrigo90]

Wait the Vulture sucking people's youth was actually in the comics? I thought that was just made for the 90s cartoon.

If Vulture is used that's one thing I hope they don't do. I'm glad the SSM version hasn't done this.

I remember seeing the cover. Spider-Man had his mask off on a rooftop and Vulture was gloating as a young man while flying of.

Who would play an old Tobey Maguire though? LOL

[Adrian89]

IMO, Joeseph Gordon Levitt doesn't fit the role of Electro at all.
I really don't understand what's so special about this guy. He would be a terrible Peter Parker and a terrible villain. Dunno why everyone casts him.

I remember seeing the cover. Spider-Man had his mask off on a rooftop and Vulture was gloating as a young man while flying of.

Who would play an old Tobey Maguire though? LOL
This story shouldn't even be brought in the movies. It's as simple as that.

[Venom 1988]

I really don't understand what's so special about this guy. He would be a terrible Peter Parker and a terrible villain. Dunno why everyone casts him. Because he's a good actor

[Spider-Fan83]

don't know how I feel about him for the role...
I like him as an actor, and he could probably do a good job in the role, acting wise

but, I just don't know how well he'd fit the character (looks, age,..., wise)
(more so, I don't think I’d like the changes they'd have to make to the character for him to fit the role)

[Venom 1988]

Oh no I agree, I even stated so above. I think he does much better in non-blockbuster roles

[Spider-ManHero12]

Spider-Fan83, you're avatar kicks ass.

[Bren]

All I know is he was brilliant in all the SM movies - hilarious, especially in no.2...
I'll be guessing (hoping) as Mysterio, can tie in nicely with the first 3.

[Oscorp]

I don't think he'll be Mysterio and I definitely don't think he'll be Dr. Strange (who's going to get his own film anyway). He'll probably be an assistant of Dr. Connors' or he will marry MJ and Peter or something I think.

[Spider-Vader]

There's no way he'll be Dr. Strange, I'm pretty sure Marvel has the movie rights for him.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm think he will be an assistant of Connor's, honestly, as others have said.

[PoppaRotzi]

Oded Fehr...born to play Kraven the Hunter:

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/db_032_OdedFehr.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/oded-fehr1.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/image-for-j-bones-list-kraven.jpg

[FaT_tONle]

If he was as good as he was in Bigalow then I am all for it.

[NewYorkSpider]

I agree. I think he'll be a lab assistant of Dr. Connor's

I honestly don't believe he was meant to be a villian in the first 3 movies.

[Venom 1988]

Who is Bruce Campbell...?

Not Mysterio or any other villain I hope.

[Rodrigo90]

He does seem mysterious and strange,lol.

But I hope he isnt those characters. Dr Connors asistant sounds good though. Maybe do a funny part wheres hes *****ing about turning into a Lizard himself.

[Adrian89]

Because he's a good actor
So are many others. But does that mean they all fit in such roles?:rolleyes:

[BigSams50]

^ I actually see gerard butler as kraven. I think it just meshes

[SymbioticToxin]

Oded Fehr...born to play Kraven the Hunter:

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/db_032_OdedFehr.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/oded-fehr1.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/image-for-j-bones-list-kraven.jpg
I would love that!

[GoldGoblin]

The way Kraven seems like he will be made is basically resembling the New Goblin,but without the glider and pumpkin bombs.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Oded Fehr...born to play Kraven the Hunter:

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/db_032_OdedFehr.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/oded-fehr1.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/image-for-j-bones-list-kraven.jpg Just because he has the looks, doesn't mean he's right for the role.

[PoppaRotzi]

Just because he has the looks, doesn't mean he's right for the role.

But remember, what makes Spiderman movies great is that the villians are actors with depth...not neccesarily "action" hero types. Willam Dafoe and Alfred Molina...also excellent stage actors, not beefy action heroes. Oded Fehr has that depth that can make the character that much more realistic.

[Rodrigo90]

Oded Fehr...born to play Kraven the Hunter:

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/db_032_OdedFehr.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/oded-fehr1.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/image-for-j-bones-list-kraven.jpg

Spitting image. But I just cant picture him as a believable Kraven. I thinks he great and I really like him,but I dont think he would work as Kraven.

[omid17]

Josh Brolin

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/image-for-j-bones-list-kraven.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z277/venomwithin/20090115_brolin_250x375.jpghttp://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z277/venomwithin/281x211-1.jpg

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Really good choice, IMO. Him or Gerard Butler are some of my top choices for Kraven.

[omid17]

^agreed

[spider-neil]

I see carnage is 20% of the votes on the official SHH home page. some people never learn. :whatever:
if carnage is in the new movie, I'll seriously consider giving the movie a pass and then picking it up on dvd (if I could be bothered).

[sauronthegreat]

I see carnage is 20% of the votes on the official SHH home page.

I wanted to mention the same thing. Lizard has around 36% while Carnage is on the second place with 20%. Well it's not a big difference considering the other candidates and their votes.
It seems there are a lot people wanting the symbiotes back.