Official Villian Casting & Discussion Thread

[venom892]

Which would just be a bad idea.Plus Topher to me acted a bit more like Carnage then Venom anyway.

[sdc10]

I still think having a lizard/kraven story would work nicely. Kraven obviously drawn to NYC to hunt the lizard who is running around, and spidey being forced to fight and defend someone who is a friend. Even thought I havent seen much of his movies I think Gerard Butler has a good look for Kraven.

[venom892]

Not to mention he wouldn't have to hid his accent.

[sabetoonth]

only if kraven was scottish

[bullets]

I don't think he'd be right for Dr Strange anyway but as Mysterio would be cool.

[GoldGoblin]

I see carnage is 20% of the votes on the official SHH home page. some people never learn. :whatever:
if carnage is in the new movie, I'll seriously consider giving the movie a pass and then picking it up on dvd (if I could be bothered).

^
I'm surprised Vulture is at like 1%

[FaT_tONle]

only if kraven was scottish

Saw the trailer for his new film Law Abiding Citizen. He tries to do an American but the line comes out like, "I'm just gettin' wormed op". If he can't do an American no way he can do a Russian. Just change Kraven's character to Scottish heritage if that's the case.

[Rodrigo90]

I wouldn't want him as Mysterio. It would ruin the characters whole story and continuity.

[Brimay]

Saw the trailer for his new film Law Abiding Citizen. He tries to do an American but the line comes out like, "I'm just gettin' wormed op". If he can't do an American no way he can do a Russian. Just change Kraven's character to Scottish heritage if that's the case.


Sure, and also lets have flint marko kill uncle be. But why stop there?
How about have green goblin turn out to be stan lee as john romita.
But why end there? Lets have harry osbourn turn out to be a sweedish maid that transforms into micheal bay...with a SCOTTISH accent?

Do you see my point? :whatever:

[bullets]

I don't see how ?

[bullets]

I wanted to mention the same thing. Lizard has around 36% while Carnage is on the second place with 20%. Well it's not a big difference considering the other candidates and their votes.
It seems there are a lot people wanting the symbiotes back.


I wanted to see all the classic characters first and I thought it might be too soon for Venom . Then I figured there is no way Raimi could mess this up ..:csad:

The again I wasn't too pleased seeing Eddie Brock die and he should of carried over into the next film. There is just no way they could do that now and with a Venom spinoff on the way the only logical villian I could think of would be Carnage. Maybe they could introduce the character in SM4 and resolve it in the spinoff.

[ObakeTora]

yes, explain. Personally I wish (since Raimi wanted to include him) was the Punisher. But, my money is on Mysterio. Btw drag me to Heck was great!

[Rodrigo90]

Bruce Campbell as Mysterio is a bad idea. I want Mysterio to be what he is in the comics. Why cant he just stay as the cameo? Or stay as the narrator in the VGs?

I mean how would you feel if you found out that Aunt May was in fact all this time Madame Webb? Or Spider-Man was actually stuck in a virtual reality world,like the Matrix?

[Oscorp]

Bruce Campbell as Mysterio is a bad idea. I want Mysterio to be what he is in the comics. Why cant he just stay as the cameo? Or stay as the narrator in the VGs?

I mean how would you feel if you found out that Aunt May was in fact all this time Madame Webb? Or Spider-Man was actually stuck in a virtual reality world,like the Matrix?

I don't want Bruce as Mysterio either, but your comparisions are like...very odd :hehe:

[Ace of Knaves]

He should play that hilarious French waiter bloke again.

[Goran]

Josh Brolin
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z277/venomwithin/20090115_brolin_250x375.jpg

He's my bet too :up:

[SymbioticToxin]

Which would just be a bad idea.Plus Topher to me acted a bit more like Carnage then Venom anyway.
Dude, I was jsut talking about that with my friend the other day! our like...psychic or something.

[Mike555]

This guy has to be the a villan.:liz:

[Hectorminator]

Sure, and also lets have flint marko kill uncle be. But why stop there?
How about have green goblin turn out to be stan lee as john romita.
But why end there? Lets have harry osbourn turn out to be a sweedish maid that transforms into micheal bay...with a SCOTTISH accent?

Do you see my point? :whatever:

That was an OVER-reaction.

Changing a character's heritage to better fit the actor is not the same as changing a character's history to better fit the protagonists' journey.

They did it with Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin and they did it with Tim Roth as the Abomination. It's fine.

[thejon93]

He's my bet too :up:
Yep. Go watch his performance in 'Planet Terror' and/or 'No Country For Old Men' if you disagree.

[GoldGoblin]

Josh Brolin would be way better than Gerald Butler.

[thejon93]

Josh Brolin would be way better than Gerald Butler.
I agree, as well. I think what makes Brolin the perfect choice for a character like Kraven, over someone like Gerard Butler, is that Brolin brings so much class and energy to a film. And, I could only imagine how much credibility he could bring to the screen with a character like Kraven. While Butler may hit some right notes if he was playing Kraven, I don't think that there would be enough of them in there for someone like Gerard to pull-off. I respect Gerard Butler a whole hell of a lot as an actor (even though he still has yet to blow me away with a single performance), but right now, in his career, he seems to be the go-to guy for a leading role in a movie; as opposed to a supporting role. While Brolin has proven a bundle of times this decade that he can play both a leading and supporting role in any movie of some kind of quality. So, unquestionably, give the role of Kraven to Brolin if you're looking to cast somebody right on the spot.

(P.S. Cool new avatar, GG.)

[Sebastos]

He'll get more film time, but as a Spidey villain? I don't think so.

[Venom'sDad]

Oded Fehr...born to play Kraven the Hunter:

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/db_032_OdedFehr.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/oded-fehr1.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/image-for-j-bones-list-kraven.jpg
Couldn't agree more... has been my pick for years now. :up::up::up:


Josh Brolin

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/image-for-j-bones-list-kraven.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z277/venomwithin/20090115_brolin_250x375.jpg
Wouldn't be disappointed... he was my second pick. :up:

[Rodrigo90]

Gerard Butler has a psychotic and angry atmosphere to him. I want Kraven to be the clinical definition of a psychopath. Gerard is THE best choice if you want the character to be evil as I do.

Im sick of all this "good guy,gone bad" crap.

In my vision, I want Kraven to be psychotic. His only purpose in life is to hunt and kill. His prize is the head of what (or who) he hunts. Thats what he only lives for. He has no empathy, compassion or remorse for anything. He is prepared to go at any length to claim his trophy.

He has NEVER let a prey of his get away. So when Spidey gets in the way of him hunting the Lizard, he decides to have BOTH their heads.

I want him to be EVIL all over. Thats my vision.

In my story he kills several Lions that attack him in Africa and the African police who are hunting him. So he doesnt appreciate being hunted himself.

[Hound55]

The only villain that would make sense is Mysterio.

In fact I quite like that idea... Thing is he would know Peter Parker is Spider-Man, through connecting the dots from his days announcing the wrestling and following Pete around since then until he was prepared to make a move...

It would take a bit of writing to tighten up the motive... feeling wronged by going unpaid because he let the crook go who stole from the wrestling mob..?

[bullets]

I mean how would you feel if you found out that Aunt May was in fact all this time Madame Webb? Or Spider-Man was actually stuck in a virtual reality world,like the Matrix?


There is a way to do it without contradicting the storylines. The guys is constantly doing odd jobs , maybe his dream profession is to work on special effects for hollywood and he winds up on the set of a movie mj is filming . It works.

[Agent 194]

I know you're asking what character he'll play but I've been asking that question since I first saw him in the first Spider-Man film. I don't get the deal with him. I've never watched any of those Evil Dead movies or whatever they are....don't really care.

[thejon93]

Gerard Butler has a psychotic and angry atmosphere to him. I want Kraven to be the clinical definition of a psychopath. Gerard is THE best choice if you want the character to be evil as I do.

Im sick of all this "good guy,gone bad" crap.

In my vision, I want Kraven to be psychotic. His only purpose in life is to hunt and kill. His prize is the head of what (or who) he hunts. Thats what he only lives for. He has no empathy, compassion or remorse for anything. He is prepared to go at any length to claim his trophy.

He has NEVER let a prey of his get away. So when Spidey gets in the way of him hunting the Lizard, he decides to have BOTH their heads.

I want him to be EVIL all over. Thats my vision.

In my story he kills several Lions that attack him in Africa and the African police who are hunting him. So he doesnt appreciate being hunted himself.
You know what, in my opinion, I think that you're right (about Kraven being full-on evil). I think that it's best not to treat the character as if he's doing what he does because it's his job or something along those lines. I think that it would be best to treat Kraven as if this is what he truly aspires to do. Hunt. Kill, even. But, make him the bad guy with logic and strategy. Not just some kind of generic "hunter-esque" character who sets-up bogus bobby traps for characters (alike The Lizard) to stumble across and, when they do, a rope-net comes falling down to catch his prey so he can come crawling out of the shadows somewhere and kill his prey in that way. I want to see this Kraven really play with the minds of such characters as Spider-Man and The Lizard. I think that the best thing they could possibly do with this fourth film would be to have these two characters (The Lizard and Kraven) come out in their top comic-book forms. Have The Lizard be as unpredictable, but (better yet) dangerous, as a snake. And, have Kraven just be this creative and cunning villain who will stop at nothing to catch The Lizard/Spider-Man. 'Spider-Man 4' will be a very exciting movie if they pull-off this duo of villains in any kind of respectable fashion.

[Octoberist]

Saw the trailer for his new film Law Abiding Citizen. He tries to do an American but the line comes out like, "I'm just gettin' wormed op". If he can't do an American no way he can do a Russian. Just change Kraven's character to Scottish heritage if that's the case.

Gerald's American accents are TERRIBLE.

[spider-neil]

Gerard Butler has a psychotic and angry atmosphere to him.


madness...? THIS. IS. SPARTA!!!


:cmad:

[Rodrigo90]

Kraven should be psychopathic,but VERY cunning. Hes a very scary villain in my opinion. But Im afraid the movie will make the audience get out their "Official Tobey Maguire Handkerchiefs" for him.

Stick with my vision of Kraven and we'll be fine,lol.

[sauronthegreat]

If Kraven is to be psychotic I see him been prtrayed like this one.
I definitely think this Kraven would not look cheesy and unbelievable.

[sauronthegreat]

This Kraven surely is scary and creepy.

[The Slang]

Oded Fehr...born to play Kraven the Hunter:

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/db_032_OdedFehr.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/oded-fehr1.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/image-for-j-bones-list-kraven.jpg

Wow, I never would've thought of it. That guy would be perfect! What accent does he have? From what I remember of 'deuce biggalow' and 'the mummy' he actually sounds close enough to pass as Kraven too.

[Rodrigo90]

Definately psychopathic. Kraven should only care about the hunt and to claim his trophy. He shouldnt look on his hunting as a job,but his pride and life. And when Spidey messess it up, Kraven aint gonna be happy. Then when he realises that he cant ordinarily deal with both Spidey and Lizard,he uses Calypsos potion. This grants him the strength and agility of 20 Lions,but at the cost of his sanity the more he consumes.

I want him to be really terrifying. Itll be a welcome change to all the nice guys turned bad getup.

[NewYorkSpider]

I really can't see Oded Fher nailing this part. I'm all for Josh Brolin or Gerard Butler taking this role.

[thejon93]

I really can't see Oded Fher nailing this part. I'm all for Josh Brolin or Gerard Butler taking this role.
I agree. And, no offense to the guy, but... I don't really think that he has enough acting chops to play a character the caliber of Kraven. Just because he looks like him, doesn't mean ---- when you're looking at anything other than a screencap.

[Nightmare]

He's usually had comedy roles too, I just cant picture him doing Kraven as a serious hunter. Just my opinion.

[NewYorkSpider]

I agree. And, no offense to the guy, but... I don't really think that he has enough acting chops to play a character the caliber of Kraven. Just because he looks like him, doesn't mean ---- when you're looking at anything other than a screencap.

He's usually had comedy roles too, I just cant picture him doing Kraven as a serious hunter. Just my opinion.


Yeah, i have nothing against the guy. I loved him in the first two Mummy movies. I just don't think the role suits him as good as it would Brolin or Butler.

[GoldGoblin]

Couldn't Kraven be a psychotic Russian soldier who gets injected with a super solder serium and wants a new challenge with his new abilities.So he comes to America to go after spidey,but ends up with two worthy challenges instead as the Lizard shows up.

[GoldGoblin]

Cool new avatar, GG.

^
Thank you :yay:

[thejon93]

Couldn't Kraven be a psychotic Russian soldier who gets injected with a super solder serium and wants a new challenge with his new abilities.So he comes to America to go after spidey,but ends up with two worthy challenges instead as the Lizard shows up.
Well, while that might work. I would personally rather see Kraven be a natural hunter. Not some kind of "juiced-up" beefcake with super strength and speed. Again, while it may work. I just see that as being one of those ideas that just simply help develop the character.

[Rodrigo90]

Too convenient for him to hunt Spidey first and then Lizard magically turns up for him to hunt as well.

Kraven as a natural brutal and cunning hunter for me. Makes most sense to his character.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Awesome new Avvy, GoldGoblin!

[Oscorp]

I agree that Kraven should be a psychopath who hunts and kills preys for his own sake and not as a "job". That would make him a dark villain who would be downright evil, which would make him different from the past villains and Lizard. Since Lizard will be a very sympathetic villain, it's needed for someone like Kraven to be evil for real.

However, I don't like the Jesus/Viking/Santa Claus/Barbarian/Tarzan look for him. I would probably laugh at that if that would be on screen. I think he should have a face like the one he is most known for. You see, most psychopaths don't really look like how we picture psychopaths in reality. He shouldn't be a wild barbarian or anything like that. He should be a psychopath in that he feels the need to hunt down, overcome and kill a large prey for whatever it takes, and an extreme will to never give up his hunt. It's like, a drug for him. Though, he should still be a very smart and calm villain who uses great strategies to overcome Spidey. After a while, he will succeed, bury Spider-Man alive, and you can figure out the rest. :)

[RustyCage]

Considering what's been said and what hasn't been said, I think it's reasonable to assume that Bruce is gonna be playing ASH as the villain! Hail to the king baby!

[nintendo nerd]

I had a dream last night that Carnage was in Spider-Man 4. :csad: I hope it doesn't come true.

That is not a dream. That's a nightmare. :wow:

[Oscorp]

That is not a dream. That's a nightmare. :wow:

lol word.

Carnage in a Spidey movie is as bad as...

I don't know. But it's terrible. People who want Carnage apparently don't want character developement and deep storytelling.

[Goran]

Yet the poll on the frontpage said that people want him the most... :(

I don't understand it...

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Neither do I. They're probably very ignorant.

[chaseter]

Bruce Campbell > you

[rocco2216]

Yet the poll on the frontpage said that people want him the most... :(

I don't understand it...


Most fans want the Lizard most, followed by Carnage.

[Sebastos]

I know who Campbell will be, it's so obvious I couldn't believe no on thought of it....

http://multipleverses.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/HQ11.jpg

He will disguise himself as Chuck Finley and help Spider-Man. :o

[ross2287]

I agree. I think he'll be a lab assistant of Dr. Connor's

I honestly don't believe he was meant to be a villian in the first 3 movies.

He's not a villain so much as he's an antagonist for Peter.

[LegendaryCaleb]

mysterio? heck no haha...that would be retarded.

[Rodrigo90]

mysterio? heck no haha...that would be retarded.

:applaud:applaud:applaud:applaud:applaud:applaud:a pplaud:applaud:applaud:applaud:applaud

[zeptron]

Most people that want Carnage so bad are 13 year olds who only want him because he looks cool.

Hell someone on IMDB said Carnage was the coolest villain because he kills people. Yeah......that's where I where I stopped taking him seriously.

[Oscorp]

^ Word, again

[Reikowolf]

kraven + lizard

:)

leave carnage to the venom spin-off. on that note, did people see zombieland. pretty good, writers of venom.. eh

[Reikowolf]

... dr. miles warren

[marvelboy10]

I don't think they have finished the re-write so I would expect to hear casting announcements by the end of the year or the beginning of next year. Then, I would expect we start seeing some leaked pics during filming next spring/summer and that is when we will finally get a proper villian anouncement/poster next fall.


tell if i'm wrong but the set will begin january 2010 like thor... So we'll see pictures of the set in january, no ?

[omid17]

The Lizard And Carnage Top 'Spider-Man 4' Villain Poll! MTV.com
(http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNFYBsmxr5Zz6P3UOfkl5QNproQ2LA&cid=0&ei=kqDLSqDIHIHelQT_lPCtAg&rt=SEARCH&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsplashpage.mtv.com%2F2009%2F10%2F 05%2Fthe-lizard-and-carnage-top-spider-man-4-villain-poll%2F)

[venom892]

Jesus I consider myself a big venom fan but why was he even on the poll?Also I wish people would let go of the idea of Carnage in a Spider-man movie.I anything he'd be in the Venom movie.But carnage in a rami spider-man just won't work.He didn't do good with the dark material in 3 and people want a serial killer?come on.

[Spider-ManHero12]

The Lizard And Carnage Top 'Spider-Man 4' Villain Poll! MTV.com (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNFYBsmxr5Zz6P3UOfkl5QNproQ2LA&cid=0&ei=kqDLSqDIHIHelQT_lPCtAg&rt=SEARCH&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsplashpage.mtv.com%2F2009%2F10%2F 05%2Fthe-lizard-and-carnage-top-spider-man-4-villain-poll%2F)
(http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNFYBsmxr5Zz6P3UOfkl5QNproQ2LA&cid=0&ei=kqDLSqDIHIHelQT_lPCtAg&rt=SEARCH&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsplashpage.mtv.com%2F2009%2F10%2F 05%2Fthe-lizard-and-carnage-top-spider-man-4-villain-poll%2F) Ithink Carnage is awesome, but honestly, Carnage really isn't no the same level as Lizard, IMO. Lizard is just a better Villian overall, IMO, and there really is no doubt about that if you ask me. Which is one of the reasons why I have no idea why ignorant people are voting for Carnage for S-M4.

[omid17]

Ithink Carnage is awesome, but honestly, Carnage really isn't no the same level as Lizard, IMO. Lizard is just a better Villian overall, IMO, and there really is no doubt about that if you ask me. Which is one of the reasons why I have no idea why ignorant people are voting for Carnage for S-M4.
imo people just want to see more of the symbiote, good majority of people weren't impressed with Venoms screen time so maby that's why they want Carnage in for the 4th one

[zeptron]

Man, are they in for a disappointment when this movie comes out.

[Oscorp]

Not only is Carnage a villain lacking depth who's only popular among youngsters because he "looks cool and is brutal", he is one of the villains who really wouldn't fit with Lizard. I mean, Lizard is a beast...and Carnage is another beast-like character. It would be like...oh no, Lizard is on the run, and oh no, Carnage is on the run too! I want a more complex story than that.

I also think it's stupid to even think of Carnage at this moment in Spider-Man 4 considering Venom will get his own spin-off movie and Raimi hates the symbiotes. But oh well, he has a slight chance (not!).

What surprised me the most (the Carnage thing didn't really surprise me since there are lots of little kids out there), is that Mysterio was third and both he and Electro got more votes than Kraven. I mean, the Lizard+Kraven combination is the most popular one on the boards (even though I'd prefer a Lizard+Electro combination, which I posted ideas on several months ago). However, it may be due to the poll asking "What VILLAIN (singular) do you want in Spider-Man 4?". Also, alot of people hanging around at MTV may be casual viewers not that into the Spidey world, I don't know. But it made me happy to see Mysterio on third place, even though he's a much better character than Carnage :) Though, even if Mysterio is my favourite villain, I'm not sure he would fit in a storyline with Lizard unless they break the movie into two main storylines, which may give the movie a feeling of having too much in one movie again like in SM3. Both Kraven and Electro are villains that directly can be combined with Lizard. Though, if you come up with any ideas of how to use Mysterio in a movie with Lizard, you're welcome to tell me :)

[Sam Fisher]

They should not use Carnage because they already screwed up Venom{which wasn't Raimi's fault I don't think}. Why ruin another character?

[Venom Jr.]

Ithink Carnage is awesome, but honestly, Carnage really isn't no the same level as Lizard, IMO. Lizard is just a better Villian overall, IMO, and there really is no doubt about that if you ask me. Which is one of the reasons why I have no idea why ignorant people are voting for Carnage for S-M4.
Its gonna be Lizard. They have had Dr.Connors sitting around doing nothing for the last 3 movies. It was there stab at a set-up for the new movie. If I don't see him I will be shocked.

[Ace of Knaves]

You know, I wouldn't mind Carnage. He's a evil ****er simply because he wants to be a evil ****er. Sure that's pretty shallow, but I for one am sick to death of these ****ing sentimental villains.

Someone who is evil simply because they want to be can be made interesting, just look at TDKs Joker.

But saying all that, I don't think Carnage could be justified in one of these Spidey movies. The things that make him interesting like killing his mother when he was younger and digging up her grave and all that just wouldn't fit in a pg-13 movie.

[The Geek Vault]

Is it completely confirmed lizard is in the next one btw?

[Sam Fisher]

Not yet.

[Matt]

Odds are he is just going to be a random, comedic character.

[SpideyTheBest]

The Lizard And Carnage Top 'Spider-Man 4' Villain Poll! MTV.com (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNFYBsmxr5Zz6P3UOfkl5QNproQ2LA&cid=0&ei=kqDLSqDIHIHelQT_lPCtAg&rt=SEARCH&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsplashpage.mtv.com%2F2009%2F10%2F 05%2Fthe-lizard-and-carnage-top-spider-man-4-villain-poll%2F)
(http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct2=us%2F0_0_s_0_0_t&usg=AFQjCNFYBsmxr5Zz6P3UOfkl5QNproQ2LA&cid=0&ei=kqDLSqDIHIHelQT_lPCtAg&rt=SEARCH&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsplashpage.mtv.com%2F2009%2F10%2F 05%2Fthe-lizard-and-carnage-top-spider-man-4-villain-poll%2F)

:barf:

Not only is Carnage a villain lacking depth who's only popular among youngsters because he "looks cool and is brutal", he is one of the villains who really wouldn't fit with Lizard. I mean, Lizard is a beast...and Carnage is another beast-like character. It would be like...oh no, Lizard is on the run, and oh no, Carnage is on the run too! I want a more complex story than that.

I also think it's stupid to even think of Carnage at this moment in Spider-Man 4 considering Venom will get his own spin-off movie and Raimi hates the symbiotes. But oh well, he has a slight chance (not!).

:bow:

Thank you! Couldn't agree more!

'Nuff said!

[omid17]

lol you guys crack me up, these people are just fans of SM movies, they don't know **** about spider-man, " people should know Raimi hates symbiots" "Venom is getting its spin off", come on people think about it, 90% of these people don't know this ****, i'll be surprised if they can name the director, so it makes sense why they want carnage. i wouldn't mind Carnage in the 4th one cause im kinda getting tired of all these sympathetic villains

[Spider-ManHero12]

Is it completely confirmed lizard is in the next one btw? No, but alot of things seem like he is.

[Goran]

lol you guys crack me up, these people are just fans of SM movies, they don't know **** about spider-man, " people should know Raimi hates symbiots" "Venom is getting its spin off", come on people think about it, 90% of these people don't know this ****, i'll be surprised if they can name the director, so it makes sense why they want carnage. i wouldn't mind Carnage in the 4th one cause im kinda getting tired of all these sympathetic villains

People who don't give **** about the comics probably also don't even know that there is a marvel character named "Carnage".

[omid17]

People who don't give **** about the comics probably also don't even know that there is a marvel character named "Carnage".yup

[Oscorp]

:bow:

Thank you! Couldn't agree more!

'Nuff said!

Thanks! Nice to see another Swede in here, eller hur? ;)

[Doctor Jones]

I'll barf if Carnage is in SM4.

He's a rip off of Venom, uninteresting, and who honestly wants to go back to the symbiote story again?

I;m sure Raimi doesn't.

[zeptron]

lol you guys crack me up, these people are just fans of SM movies, they don't know **** about spider-man, " people should know Raimi hates symbiots" "Venom is getting its spin off", come on people think about it, 90% of these people don't know this ****, i'll be surprised if they can name the director, so it makes sense why they want carnage. i wouldn't mind Carnage in the 4th one cause im kinda getting tired of all these sympathetic villains

There are many villains who aren't sympathetic other than Carnage.

[HughJackFan420]

My Options of Villains and Casting for Spider-Man 4 - Spider-Man 6 (assuming their going the Sinister 6 route)

Electro/Max Dillon - Billy Zane (bald)

Carnage/Cletus Cassidy - Robert Knepper (agreeing with a lot of you)

Vutlure/Clifton Shallot - Ben Kingsley (easy cast)

Kingpin/Wilson Fisk - John Goodman (it's all I can come up with but if too old could always get another credible actor to slap some prosthetics on)

Hobgoblin/many aliases - due to the many aliases I would like (and this is due to specualation of Michael Papajohn returning) I would like Michael Papajohn to play the Hobgoblin. he is a random thief and the general audience wouldn't know about the many aliases for Hobgoblin. otherwise my alternate choice would be Mikaela Banes from Transformers (the bully jock)

[Spider-Vader]

You know, I wouldn't mind Carnage. He's a evil ****er simply because he wants to be a evil ****er. Sure that's pretty shallow, but I for one am sick to death of these ****ing sentimental villains.

Someone who is evil simply because they want to be can be made interesting, just look at TDKs Joker.

But saying all that, I don't think Carnage could be justified in one of these Spidey movies. The things that make him interesting like killing his mother when he was younger and digging up her grave and all that just wouldn't fit in a pg-13 movie.

That'd be cool & all, but the problem is Rami. I don't see him doing that, even if he really wanted to go dark because if he doesn't like Venom, there's no chance in hell he likes Carnage.

[SpideyTheBest]

Thanks! Nice to see another Swede in here, eller hur? ;)

Oh, you're from Sweden too?

Tjenare! :cwink:

[bullets]

More than likely but we can always hope.

[goh78]

The general audience knows him as the guy that always pops up in random role. He won't be a major villain because a.) it'd be confusing and b.) no one knows who Bruce Campbell is

[Weadazoid]

My vote goes to Lizard and Kraven a sentiment echoed on these boards and farily well reflected in the comics as well. Though Mcfarlanes run as both a writer and artist was breif the intro to his version of Spiderman was visually interesting...even though technically Kraven had already offed himself.


My vote for a Rami style Kraven has always been

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/95877/Timothy%20Olyphant%20Deadwood_qjpreviewth.jpg?6410 62

THough he hasn't really had a big hit in the theaters, based on his role as a kind of anti hero in Dead Wood, I say Olyphant is a solid choice. It fits in Rami's style of choosing good lesser known actors to fill his villain roles.

[bullets]

Well announcing should be just around the corner. All we need is for some Dunst interviews.

[Octoberist]

My Options of Villains and Casting for Spider-Man 4 - Spider-Man 6 (assuming their going the Sinister 6 route)

Electro/Max Dillon - Billy Zane (bald)

Carnage/Cletus Cassidy - Robert Knepper (agreeing with a lot of you)

Vutlure/Clifton Shallot - Ben Kingsley (easy cast)

Kingpin/Wilson Fisk - John Goodman (it's all I can come up with but if too old could always get another credible actor to slap some prosthetics on)

Hobgoblin/many aliases - due to the many aliases I would like (and this is due to specualation of Michael Papajohn returning) I would like Michael Papajohn to play the Hobgoblin. he is a random thief and the general audience wouldn't know about the many aliases for Hobgoblin. otherwise my alternate choice would be Mikaela Banes from Transformers (the bully jock)

John Goodman from the 90s could have done Kingpin but he's getting too old. Not even makeup can fix it.

[ThatDamnNinja]

Javier Bardem is Kraven the Hunter:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2009/6/3/1244043484465/Javier-Bardem-in-Los-Ange-001.jpg

And Kraven shouldn't be some crazy, hobo-looking guy. At the beginning of the movie, Kraven should be absolutely deadly and absolutely in control of himself. He should be a wealthy Russian of aristocratic descent, true to his "The Most Dangerous Game" roots. He is prideful and cunning and elegant and he has good hygiene. He should be able to fit into normal society if he wants to. Only if they wanted to take the movie down an interesting dramatic path (a la Kraven's Last Hunt) should Kraven go totally bats**t.

[Silver Knight]

Whos it goig to be? I hope Lizard.

[bullets]

This is an opinion of someone that voted in the MTV POLL .



john@themovies (http://community.mtv.com/profile/johnmovies): I voted for Carnage. The perfect villain to make a darker Spider-man. In Spider-Man 3, our hero became darker because of the symbiote. Putting him against Carnage will create a dilemma for Spider-Man in not crossing the line of methods like the Punisher. But there are 2 villains in the movie. We could only vote for one. My second choice is Kraven the Hunter. Certainly if Marvel goes with Kraven's last hunt, where he buried Spider-Man for two weeks. The combination of these two villains can create a darker fourth installment. And Bruce Campbell would be great as Kraven. And last but not least, I would like to see the Black Cat appear. The other villains will certainly back for the fifth and sixth movie.



:doh:

[bullets]

I hope we get Kraven and Lizard. Also maybe Scorpion and it shows him becoming the new venom at the end to set up the spinoff.

[bullets]

mysterio? heck no haha...that would be retarded.


Good Arguement there. I still don't see why it would be a problem

[bullets]

The general audience knows him as the guy that always pops up in random role. He won't be a major villain because a.) it'd be confusing and b.) no one knows who Bruce Campbell is


Cool people know who Bruce Campbell is.

[omid17]

Javier Bardem is also another good choice for Kraven

[ThatDamnNinja]

I think the biggest reason we have to believe that Kraven will be in Spider-Man 4 is that rumor that Mickey Rourke was being considered for the role of a villain. The list of villains that they'd actually put in the movie that Rourke would be considered for is pretty short (Kraven, Scorpion, Rhino) and Kraven's got to be considered the best match. And true to the recent trend of supervillain casting, they seem to be pursuing recent Academy Award nominated actors.

So if it is indeed true that Kraven is the guy, I bet you dollars-to-donuts they're pursuing Josh Brolin, Javier Bardem, and Daniel Day-Lewis hard--though Brolin seems busy with other projects, and may be reticent to take on two comic book roles, and Bardem and D-Day may consider themselves above such a project. Bardem has gone on record saying he hates violence in movies and only did No Country for Old Men because it was the Coen Brothers, and who knows if Daniel Day-Lewis would ever consider doing a superhero movie.

They may or may not want Gerard Butler. I guarantee you, there isn't a chance in hell they're considering casting Oded Fehr. However, if the the guys listed above are indeed "their guys", but for some reason, they can't get them, expect a fairly out-of-left-field, but still respected and recognized, actor (i.e. Viggo Mortensen, Jaoquin Phoenix, Eric Bana, Matt Damon, Sam Worthington, Matt Dillon, etc.).

[Hectorminator]

God, I hope it's not Matt Dillon.

That would make Kraven such a douche.

[sabetoonth]

no dillion for keaven DX

[DarthDaveBanner]

I dunno, I think the Rourke thing may be a rumour - Sam said that he hadn't even considered casting yet.

[Rodrigo90]

I want Kraven as cold blooded hunter. No compassion. No remorse.

Hes not a loony. He is smart and capable. But its his outlook and way of living that make him psychotic. Not much psychopathic,more psychotic.

[spider-neil]

if the lizard is in this movie I want him to talk with a hisssss not squawk like a buzzard like venom did in SM3 *shudder*

lizard - 'anddddd now spider-mannnn you will dieeeeeee'

rather than

lizard - 'squawk!!!!!'

also sandman did no talking either he just roared like godzilla

[PoppaRotzi]

Wow, I never would've thought of it. That guy would be perfect! What accent does he have? From what I remember of 'deuce biggalow' and 'the mummy' he actually sounds close enough to pass as Kraven too.

Accent = although he's been playing Arab terrorists lately, he is really from Isreal. That's an Isreali accent.

[PoppaRotzi]

Javier Bardem is Kraven the Hunter:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2009/6/3/1244043484465/Javier-Bardem-in-Los-Ange-001.jpg

And Kraven shouldn't be some crazy, hobo-looking guy. At the beginning of the movie, Kraven should be absolutely deadly and absolutely in control of himself. He should be a wealthy Russian of aristocratic descent, true to his "The Most Dangerous Game" roots. He is prideful and cunning and elegant and he has good hygiene. He should be able to fit into normal society if he wants to. Only if they wanted to take the movie down an interesting dramatic path (a la Kraven's Last Hunt) should Kraven go totally bats**t.


Better still, his American twin brother, Jeffrey Dean Morgan (remember this guy in "Watchmen")? He'd be great.

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/jeffrey-dean-morgan-2953.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/Comedian_Jeffrey_Dean_Morgan.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/image-for-j-bones-list-kraven.jpg

[Goran]

Wow the resemblence is uncanny :)

he'd be a good choice too

[Rain]

I agree. I think he'll be a lab assistant of Dr. Connor's

I honestly don't believe he was meant to be a villian in the first 3 movies.


He's Ash Williams, awaiting Connor's regeneration serum so he can grow his hand back. :oldrazz:



Either that or Mac Gargan....

[Silver Knight]

I hope its Lizard but im doubtful.

[Nightmare]

Better still, his American twin brother, Jeffrey Dean Morgan (remember this guy in "Watchmen")? He'd be great.

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/jeffrey-dean-morgan-2953.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/Comedian_Jeffrey_Dean_Morgan.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/image-for-j-bones-list-kraven.jpg

Plus he's a big intimidating guy. I like it!

[Sebastos]

He would be the ideal choice for Kraven. I dig it. :up:

[Venom'sDad]

Javier Bardem is Kraven the Hunter:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2009/6/3/1244043484465/Javier-Bardem-in-Los-Ange-001.jpg

Better still, his American twin brother, Jeffrey Dean Morgan (remember this guy in "Watchmen")? He'd be great.

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/jeffrey-dean-morgan-2953.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/Comedian_Jeffrey_Dean_Morgan.jpghttp://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/Popparotzi_2009/image-for-j-bones-list-kraven.jpg

I'm kool with either one... they both would fit well. :up::up:

[pjspider1C]

^ stupid.

[Sebastos]

This is an opinion of someone that voted in the MTV POLL .



john@themovies (http://community.mtv.com/profile/johnmovies): I voted for Carnage. The perfect villain to make a darker Spider-man. In Spider-Man 3, our hero became darker because of the symbiote. Putting him against Carnage will create a dilemma for Spider-Man in not crossing the line of methods like the Punisher. But there are 2 villains in the movie. We could only vote for one. My second choice is Kraven the Hunter. Certainly if Marvel goes with Kraven's last hunt, where he buried Spider-Man for two weeks. The combination of these two villains can create a darker fourth installment. And Bruce Campbell would be great as Kraven. And last but not least, I would like to see the Black Cat appear. The other villains will certainly back for the fifth and sixth movie.



:doh:

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/4835/burnnotice33.png

[zeptron]

I hope its Lizard but im doubtful.

I doubt they're cheat the fans out on the Lizard. Especially after teasing us with Connors for three movies now.

[ThatDamnNinja]

How is Jeffrey Dean Morgan an "even better yet" than Javier Bardem? Last time I checked, Javier Bardem is a much better actor. Is it because we've seen him with a mustache, so we say "Hey! He can play Kraven"?

Because, here's the thing:
Javier Bardem can probably grow a mustache.

[Silver Knight]

I doubt they're cheat the fans out on the Lizard. Especially after teasing us with Connors for three movies now.
So you think Lizard will be in the film?

[zeptron]

So you think Lizard will be in the film?

I have a strong feeling he will be. I'll be very surprised and disappointed if he's not.

[PoppaRotzi]

How is Jeffrey Dean Morgan an "even better yet" than Javier Bardem? Last time I checked, Javier Bardem is a much better actor. Is it because we've seen him with a mustache, so we say "Hey! He can play Kraven"?

Because, here's the thing:
Javier Bardem can probably grow a mustache.





Both these guys can play crazy psychos well, but Jeffrey Dean Morgan has about 40 pounds more muscle than Bardiem, therefore making him physically more like Kraven.

[Oscorp]

The more I think of it (have watched several scenes and interview with him on Youtube now), the more I see him as a great cast for Kraven. He's my number one choice!

[SymbioticToxin]

I have a strong feeling he will be. I'll be very surprised and disappointed if he's not.

And so will about a million other fans.

[Silver Knight]

+ me.

[ClintF]

Am I the only one that really wanted the Hobgoblin, only thing is I suppose is that there have already been too many pumpkin throwing villains. Im with the rest of the world in that The Lizard has to be in this one with the character being in all 3 films. Also could see Raimi doing a good Demogoblin.

[zeptron]

I honestly don't want anymore goblins until the inevitable reboot.

And I still support Lizard and Electro because of an idea Oscorp came up with on imdb. I mean the idea of Electro causing a blackout and as a result the Lizard emerges from the sewers and starts hunting people in a completly dark city would be pretty epic IMO. It would make the movie quite horror-inspirated.(which is Raimi's style)

I would much rather see this than the typical Kraven hunting the Lizard storyline a lot of people seem to be up for. This way the whole city would be in danger, not just Spidey.

[SymbioticToxin]

To ClintF: I agree, Raimi could pull off a good Demogoblin. Its rihgt up his alley of supernatural stuff.

[Silver Knight]

I honestly don't want anymore goblins until the inevitable reboot.

And I still support Lizard and Electro because of an idea Oscorp came up with on imdb. I mean the idea of Electro causing a blackout and as a result the Lizard emerges from the sewers and starts hunting people in a completly dark city would be pretty epic IMO. It would make the movie quite horror-inspirated.(which is Raimi's style)

I would much rather see this than the typical Kraven hunting the Lizard storyline a lot of people seem to be up for. This way the whole city would be in danger, not just Spidey.
Inevitable reboot? What makes you say this?

[zeptron]

Inevitable reboot? What makes you say this?

Well this franchise isn't gonna go on forever you know. After the sixth movie(if we even get that far) I can see them waiting a few years and then getting a new director, new cast, new writer's for a reboot.

Same thing with Nolan's Batman.

[HughJackFan420]

no no no please no gay Kraven...even though if he is a choice for a future villain i think the perfect guy for the role would be the guy that played in Deuce Bigelow and The Mummy ...Oded Fehr

[ClintF]

I honestly don't want anymore goblins until the inevitable reboot.

And I still support Lizard and Electro because of an idea Oscorp came up with on imdb. I mean the idea of Electro causing a blackout and as a result the Lizard emerges from the sewers and starts hunting people in a completly dark city would be pretty epic IMO. It would make the movie quite horror-inspirated.(which is Raimi's style)

I would much rather see this than the typical Kraven hunting the Lizard storyline a lot of people seem to be up for. This way the whole city would be in danger, not just Spidey.

I really love that idea, and I have always been onboard for Electro, even though most dont think it would work on the big screen, he could done like the electro gremlin on Gremlins 2,lol:hehe:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThatDamnNinja http://www.superherohype.com/drakon/skins/shhclassic/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17586608#post17586608)
Javier Bardemhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17594523#) is Kraven the Hunter:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2009/6/3/1244043484465/Javier-Bardem-in-Los-Ange-001.jpg
Awesome choice. :up:

[thejon93]

Damn, I'm looking at this page right now thinking that if Kraven isn't a character in this installment... people are gonna die. :oldrazz:

[Spider-Vader]

I'd be disapointed especially if Lizard is a villain & there's another villain in it too.

I think the villains should have inter-connecting plots. So it's not another Spider-Man 3 with 48 plots.

[HughJackFan420]

eh i could see how Kraven could fit in to the picture if Lizard is the next villain but i get the feeling since David Goyer is onboard on writing Spider-Man 4 and writing AND directing Venom I think we're going to go into the symbiote saga more and get Venom back plus Carnage which would totally kick @$$

[SymbioticToxin]

David Goyer isn't writing SM4 or Venom. Gary Ross is.

[thejon93]

I'd be disapointed especially if Lizard is a villain & there's another villain in it too.

I think the villains should have inter-connecting plots. So it's not another Spider-Man 3 with 48 plots.
You know, I agree with you. I liked 'Spider-Man 3' a lot. However, let's see the franchise mature again (especially if this is the last film). Develop the characters you need to develop, think of good stories to tell (NOT ****IN' THEMES!!!), and finally, don't copy 'The Dark Knight'. Don't try to act above yourselves and talk smart, especially when you're not going to give us interesting characters that we can care about. If you want to be smart, give us characters with true hearts and souls to them. Not just walking personalities!
eh i could see how Kraven could fit in to the picture if Lizard is the next villain but i get the feeling since David Goyer is onboard on writing Spider-Man 4 and writing AND directing Venom I think we're going to go into the symbiote saga more and get Venom back plus Carnage which would totally kick @$$
Man, I hope not. I just picture them doing way too much with another go at that story. We got it in the third movie, so let's move on.

[omid17]

Sam Raimi Discusses Spider-Man 4 Villains

read more here
http://screenrant.com/sam-raimi-discusses-spiderman-4-villains-rob-30222/

Raimi responded to the two top choices but couldn’t reveal who they’ve selected as the villainous characters are for the next Spider-Man adventure.“I love the Lizard… There’s a great story there in the Marvel comic books about Dr. Connors. I’m less familiar with Carnage.”
After this, you could tell Raimi wanted to be more open on the topic, but he must remain tight-lipped for obvious reasons with shooting not even expected to begin until next March (http://screenrant.com/spiderman-4-production-start-date-rob-29845/). After a long pause, Raimi followed up by saying “I’m not allowed to say at this point.”



However, Raimi later explains that the next movie doesn’t have so much to do with a character introduced in the films so far or about intertwining with/setting up the Venom spinoff. This partially puts a damper on The Lizard’s full introduction.
Of course, he could just be intentionally misleading. It seems like too much of a missed opportunity to not have The Lizard finally make an appearance after seeing Dr. Curt Connors introduced and slightly developed over the last few films.
Raimi continued by elaborating on the goal of Spider-Man 4’s story and how the villain will fit into that plan.“What we’re trying to do right now is really understand the journey Peter is going to go on this time and have the villain maybe be a counter to that growth, something that he has to overcome… Or maybe he has to grow in a way to overcome the villain, because there always seem to be stories of coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life, so once we are identifying the exact movement that Peter has to grow to, I think the villain—and we’re trying this right now; we’re trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict.”

[omid17]

Sam Raimi Discusses Spider-Man 4 Villains

read more here
http://screenrant.com/sam-raimi-discusses-spiderman-4-villains-rob-30222/

Raimi responded to the two top choices but couldn’t reveal who they’ve selected as the villainous characters are for the next Spider-Man adventure.“I love the Lizard… There’s a great story there in the Marvel comic books about Dr. Connors. I’m less familiar with Carnage.”
After this, you could tell Raimi wanted to be more open on the topic, but he must remain tight-lipped for obvious reasons with shooting not even expected to begin until next March (http://screenrant.com/spiderman-4-production-start-date-rob-29845/). After a long pause, Raimi followed up by saying “I’m not allowed to say at this point.”



However, Raimi later explains that the next movie doesn’t have so much to do with a character introduced in the films so far or about intertwining with/setting up the Venom spinoff. This partially puts a damper on The Lizard’s full introduction.
Of course, he could just be intentionally misleading. It seems like too much of a missed opportunity to not have The Lizard finally make an appearance after seeing Dr. Curt Connors introduced and slightly developed over the last few films.
Raimi continued by elaborating on the goal of Spider-Man 4’s story and how the villain will fit into that plan.“What we’re trying to do right now is really understand the journey Peter is going to go on this time and have the villain maybe be a counter to that growth, something that he has to overcome… Or maybe he has to grow in a way to overcome the villain, because there always seem to be stories of coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life, so once we are identifying the exact movement that Peter has to grow to, I think the villain—and we’re trying this right now; we’re trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict.”

[Silver Knight]

Please let it be Lizard!

[Silver Knight]

Please be true.

[Venom 1988]

So he basically just repeated what he always says about the villains and told us nothing new? K...

[Casius--J]

So he basically just repeated what he always says about the villains and told us nothing new? K...

Exactly, I was excited when I read the title of the article but then was no better off for reading it :o

Looks like we wont be getting an announcement till early next year.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I do hope we get The Lizard, I wouldnt mind Scorpion being thrown in there as well, those were always 2 of my fave Spidey villains and I think Raimi would do them great.

[Ace of Knaves]

Same old, same old. Another sentimental villain who has ties to Peter Parker.

[The Joker]

So he basically just repeated what he always says about the villains and told us nothing new? K...

Pretty much. And it could be any villain, because the villain can always be changed to fit in with the theme he uses, like making Sandman Uncle Ben's killer.

[FaT_tONle]

Counter the growth??? Sounds like something personal or psychological. Can't imagine Lizard not being in it though.

[Figs]

So he basically just repeated what he always says about the villains and told us nothing new? K...

Yup. Right after I read that article on the front page I was going to type pretty much what you just said.

That BS he gave us is almost exactly, and I mean exactly what he has said about who the villians will be for Spider-Man 2 & 3.

Personally, I think it's gotten old to keep the villians a secret. Just ****ing tell us who they are because there's a lot of fans(myself included) that were pretty ticked off with the 3rd film and whatever he can say and slowly reveal at this point is not going to build up hype. Only thing that could get me excited is the trailer, but even then I thought the trailer for Spider-Man 3 was pretty awesome and the movie was a massive disappointment.

[Reikowolf]

i remember a time when i didnt know anything about a movie until the trailer was in a theatre or on tv.

i even remember going out of my way to not see the spider-man teaser, just so i could see it in theatres. *the twin towers teaser*

so great!

I honestly thought it was going to be a michael bay movie preview.

i think there's something to be said about keeping things secret. helps the audience really get into the movie instead of 'waiting for a moment to happen.'

despite its flaws, i really like the whole spider-man getting rid of the suit/ birth of venom sequence.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Wow, great interview! Here's hoping it's Lizard!

[spida-man]

are ppl honestly still complaing about SM3? -_-

[MrShifty]

Nolan told us the villain at the end of the BB. Look at Dark Knight turned out.
Just sayin...

[omid17]

perezhilton lol agrees too after he posted the recent Raimi news on the villain

Um, sorry, but weren't the last three movies (http://perezhilton.com/2009-10-12-director-talks-spider-man-4#) basically about the same thing?

[omid17]

here is the phone interview, he says the same thing but here is anyway

EXCLUSIVE: Sam Raimi Talks 'Spider-Man 4' Villains! (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/10/12/exclusive-sam-raimi-talks-spider-man-4-villains/)

[Silver Knight]

are ppl honestly still complaing about SM3? -_-
Yes and we have every right it. Its just a horrible movie.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ In your opinion.

[Figs]

Yes and we have every right it. Its just a horrible movie.

Agreed about having the right to complain.

I wouldn't outright call the entire film horrible but the bad stuff that is in there ruins the good for me. I even tried to put it on as a "background movie" while I'm doing something else and I still couldn't finish it.

I truly hope Spider-Man 4 makes up for part 3.

Also, I don't care if it would be typical or cliche, I want another swinging sequence at the end. The 3rd film just ended abruptly and I felt extremely disappointed that he decided not to have Spider-Man swinging through the city.

[GoldGoblin]

Max Dillon could be a janitor cleaning up Dr.Connors office.Dr.Connors and Peter could be working on something when Dr.Connors wife and son enter the room for a surprise visit.When Dr.Connors is distracted by his family,Max Dillon steals Dr.Connors security badge.

Max Dillon uses the security badge to get into Dr.Phineas Mason's office.Once inside,Max Dillon ends up grabbing some gauntlets that shoots electricity.Max Dillon puts on the gauntlets and has a hard time using the weapons as he blast a hole into the outer wall of the building.When Dr.Connors and his family hears the loud noise from the explosion,Dr.Connors tells his family to stay in his office as he and Peter runs over to see what has happened.

When Peter and Dr.Connors enters Dr.Phineas Mason's office,Dr.Connors sees Max Dillon standing next to the hole in the wall looking out into the city.

Max Dillon turns around when Dr.Connors says,Max what have you done.Max Dillon turns around and says good by Dr,then blast Dr.Connors with a burst of electricity.

Instead of being killed,the lizard DNA inside of Dr.Connors body mutates turning him into the Lizard.Max tries to kill Peter,but Peter puts up a fight cause he is spider-man.

Peter's spider sense goes off during his fight with Max and Peter flips up to the ceiling as a big lizard's tail hits Max sending Max to go through the open wall and out of the building.

The Lizard has a small fight with Peter and ends when the Lizard picks up a giant desk and throws it at Peter,causing Peter to hit a wall.When Peter takes the desk off of him,the Lizard is nowhere to be found.

[zeptron]

People do have a right to complain if they didn't like the film, but what gets me is people who are assuming SM4 is gonna suck because they were disappointed with 3.

[rashad]

I hope the villain is not connected to the Peter yet again.

[zeptron]

^If it's the Lizard there's no avoiding that.

He's the only villain left that I don't mind having some kind of connection to Peter.

[BenReilly]

Another thing to keep in mind in regards to villain casting announcements, if they do end up using the Lizard as the villain, the role is already cast. So technically, they wouldn't need to announce it and they could keep it under wraps.

Then again, there's also the possibility of a second villain as well...

[Spider-ManHero12]

Another thing to keep in mind in regards to villain casting announcements, if they do end up using the Lizard as the villain, the role is already cast. So technically, they wouldn't need to announce it and they could keep it under wraps.

Then again, there's also the possibility of a second villain as well... Very true!

If they don't announce the Villian directly, then I'm thinking they'll probably give us more and more hints along the way. Honesly, I don't think that we're very far from an announcement.

[rashad]

^If it's the Lizard there's no avoiding that.

He's the only villain left that I don't mind having some kind of connection to Peter.

Of course The Lizard not withstanding.

[Reikowolf]

Not sure if anyone has read this yet

http://movies.ign.com/articles/103/1034613p1.html

too lazy to go back pages.

no real announcement, just spitballing

[Venom 1988]

People do have a right to complain if they didn't like the film, but what gets me is people who are assuming SM4 is gonna suck because they were disappointed with 3.

I definitely agree with you there.

[omid17]

i think this will be Raimi's last SM movie and he has full control over this one, so he should make SM4 one kick ass spidey flick if it's going to be his last

[topdog1]

double

[topdog1]

Counter the growth??? Sounds like something personal or psychological. Can't imagine Lizard not being in it though.

"coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life"

Didn't he do that in the first three films? Losing a father figure because you failed to act before you graduate high school tends to grow a kid up in a hurry. Raimi needs to finish his run and don't make the same mistake Marvel has done by making Spider-MAN be a perennial child. Movie Peter is a man who has suffered great loss and heartache. Embrace the character as a man and tell an adult story. You can still portray angst and growth as an adult, just look at Tony Stark.

[Frodo]

"coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life"

Didn't he do that in the first three films? Losing a father figure because you failed to act before you graduate high school tends to grow a kid up in a hurry. Raimi needs to finish his run and don't make the same mistake Marvel has done by making Spider-MAN be a perennial child. Movie Peter is a man who has suffered great loss and heartache. Embrace the character as a man and tell an adult story. You can still portray angst and growth as an adult, just look at Tony Stark.

Totally agree with you. It seems to me he matured alot in part two then backstepped in part three.

[Silver Knight]

I think we will find out in Feb just before shooting begins.

[Vile]

Raimi needs to get off this damn coming of age-growing up crap. We've had three movies of it Raimi....we GET IT. Honestly...we do.

[Ratcrawler]

I hate to say it but Raimi's striking me as a director who's overstaying his welcome in his own franchise. Like Michael Bay.

What I'd really like to do in this film is introduce characters before they became supervillains and have a sinister 6 of sorts in the 5th movie.

Adrian Toomes
Takes over OsCorp. Has his scientists tweak his company's technologies and "scavenges" ones from other companies. Shows great interest in the designs for OsCorp's "gliders" and the possibility of wearing one as a suit.

Felicia Hardy
A corporate sPy and professional thief hired by Adrian Toomes to "acquire" blueprints and prototypes from his competitors. Samples a milder version of Goblin Formula to enhance her strength and reflexes.

Mac Gargan
Mary Jane's duplicitous new love interest. He is apparently the one person in New York who found it odd how Mary Jane Watson was kidnapped by 4 supervillains on seperate occasions and believes she may know who sPider-Man is.

Alex O'Hirn
A large thug whom sPidey can't save in time from an explosion. He's paralyzed and badly burned, making him an ideal recipient for experimental treatments Toomes offers.

Sergei Kravenoff
World renowned hunter hired by the NYPD to track down The Lizard but begins wondering if sPider-Man would make a more formidable quarry. Outclassed, he winds up in a body cast, also ready for a treatment from Toomes.

Max Dillon
Hired to rebuild that Particle accelerator thingamajig that changed Flint into Snadman in SM3. He might have made a miscalculation or two though...

Herman Shultz
One of Toomes' weapons engineers.

[TheFuture]

I think it has gotten to the stage where The Lizard is a lock for this film. If you read between the lines Raimi is basically telling us who the main villain will be, and it's The Lizard.

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by zeptron http://www.superherohype.com/drakon/skins/shhclassic/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17599614#post17599614)
People do have a right to complain if they didn't like the film (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=329756&page=5#), but what gets me is people who are assuming SM4 is gonna suck because they were disappointed with 3.


there is a precedent though

superman - ace
superman 2 - better than the original (imho)
superman 3 - comedy farce
superman 4 - a disgrace

batman - ace
batman 2 - okay (not better than the original)
batman 3 - comedy farce
batman 4 - a disgrace

spider-man - ace
spider-man 2 - better than the original (imho)
spider-man 3 - comedy farce
spider-man 4 - ???

I have high hopes but rarely does a good movie follow a stinker, the only one that springs to mind is raiders 3 (after the disgrace of raiders 2).

[zeptron]

Well the Superman and Batman franchises didn't have the same director for all four movies. When Donner left that's when things started to go downhill. Same thing with Burton.

I honestly think Spider-man 3 would have been a lot better if Arad left Raimi do what he wanted to do in the first place. With Raimi saying he has creative control I have faith that Spider-man would be on par with the first two. Maybe even better.

[Eldarion]

I think it's because of the lower (Worldwide)Boxoffice results they toke some creative control away from Raimi and forced him to introduce Venom. Normally it's expected that the sequel performs better Worldwide and Domestic, but unfortunately it failed in both.

Let's take a look:
Spider-Man 821.7 million
Spider-Man 2 783.8 million
Spider-Man 3 890.9 million

Spider-Man 2 is despite being the best in terms of quality the least grossing Spider-Man to date. I think Spider-Man 4 has the potential to be the best of the 4, we'll have to wait.

[Hectorminator]

I'd like a Sinister Six to show up in the Sixth movie, not the 5th one. That way, the next movie doesn't cram a bunch of new villains down our throats and not do them any justice.

So bring in two or three in the next one, while only really focusing on one, and two or three in Spider-Man 5, so we can have the big show in 6.

[The Jester]

SERIOUSLY, J. Jonah Jameson as primary villain for Spider-man 4.

Get the spider-slayers involved so we can see some fricken fantastic scenes of spider-man punching robots.

Have Jameson finance the creation of the spider-slayers or ever hire villains to unmask spider-man. Of course the movie should have a climax where spider-man is forced to save Jonah. heh

[zeptron]

Having the Sinister Six would be too gimmicky. It's hard for me to believe that if any one of those guys give Spidey a hard time he can defeat all 6 of them at once. This stuff only works in animation. One hero against so many villains just seems overkill.

That would be Doc Ock would have come back and this would make his redemption at the end of SM2 pointless.

Not to mention it would cost way too much money to do the special effects of each villain.

[GoldGoblin]

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[GoldGoblin]

It would be cool if Adrian Toomes was a new character who took over Oscorp.But I would make Toomes an old war buddy to Jonah Jameson.

And instead of Mac Garagan,I would make Jonah's son John telling his dad that MJ knows who Spider-Man is and that is why these villains keep kidnapping her.So John volunteers to become the Scorpion to hunt down spidey.

After John is defeated and goes to prison,Jonah goes to his friend Toomes and begs him for help so that he himself can take out spidey.So Toomes gives Jonah a briefcase and when Jonah opens the case you see a pair of gauntlets and a suit that protects the user from its blasts (this could be the Shocker or it could be Electro).

^It could explain why Electro has a costume.Anyway when Jonah is in need of help,his old war buddy comes to back him up as the Vulture.

[omid17]

I think it has gotten to the stage where The Lizard is a lock for this film. If you read between the lines Raimi is basically telling us who the main villain will be, and it's The Lizard.agreed
"I love the Lizard," the filmmaker told MTV in a recent interview. "There's a great story there in the Marvel (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00027933.html#) comic books about Dr. Connors.

we're trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict."

[RachelDawes]

It would be rather disappointing if it weren't the Lizard. Since Raimi's spent three movies developing Connors and his relationship with Tobey's Spider-Man it would be a shame if we never saw them square off in a film. Two different actors could play the roles in future movies but it wouldn't be the same. Of course, I'm assuming SM4 will be the last movie with this present cast.

[Retroman]

I think it has gotten to the stage where The Lizard is a lock for this film. If you read between the lines Raimi is basically telling us who the main villain will be, and it's The Lizard.

I certainly hope that's the case.

He's certainly a prime candidate to be the film's main villain - After two appearances of Conners, with the Lizard being cut from Spider-Man 2 and, not to mention, he is one of the few classic rogues that have yet to be seen in the films.

If Raimi is taking a leaf from The Dark Knight then i hope he'll have one villain who's personally connected to Peter Parker and another who isn't. It could actually be interesting imo.:o

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think it has gotten to the stage where The Lizard is a lock for this film. If you read between the lines Raimi is basically telling us who the main villain will be, and it's The Lizard. Yeah, I agree, and honestly, I couldn't be happier. I mean, the Lizard has ben long awaited, and Connor's has been established throughout these films, which just makes it a perfect time to make the Lizard.

[Sebastos]

Bring on The Lizard.

[ThatDamnNinja]

If Raimi is taking a leaf from The Dark Knight then i hope he'll have one villain who's personally connected to Peter Parker and another who isn't. It could actually be interesting imo.:o

That seems like the way to go. It should be two villains per movie from here on out (unless they do Sinister Six for SM6, in which case it should still be two MAIN villains and four peripheral guys), and that formula makes the most sense. People seem to be pretty irritated by the idea of making villains connected to Peter, but it worked with Doc Ock. It just didn't work with Sandman, because it was poor writing. And obviously, having a connection with both villains is just too unlikely.

With Lizard, the connection is already there organically. And with the others, it can be written in a way that that seems natural, a la Ock.

[daderade]

...the goblin formula healing norman. that would be awesome. only this time, he doesnt look like a power ranger. oh and rhino in there for fodder.

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm still for Lizard/Electro. I'm just not hyped up for Kraven anymore.

[General Fury]

I'm still for Lizard/Electro. I'm just not hyped up for Kraven anymore.
same, he's never been one of my favorites

[zeptron]

I'm still for Lizard/Electro. I'm just not hyped up for Kraven anymore.



same, he's never been one of my favorites


Same here. I would much rather see those two instead. A Kraven hunting the Lizard storyline just seems too predictable.

[Spider-Vader]

Having the Sinister Six would be too gimmicky. It's hard for me to believe that if any one of those guys give Spidey a hard time he can defeat all 6 of them at once. This stuff only works in animation. One hero against so many villains just seems overkill.

That would be Doc Ock would have come back and this would make his redemption at the end of SM2 pointless.

Not to mention it would cost way too much money to do the special effects of each villain.

That's where Marvel & Sony make a deal & the Avengers appear in that movie. :woot:

[Venom75]

I just hate how they dance around this subject. It's fun for us to speculate,of course. But what's the harm in just annoucing the villain(s)? Now,I can understanding keep secret the look of the villains and certain plot points,but it just pisses me off how they are afraid of saying anything. I don't see an announement ruining anything. I'm sure they knew who Spidey would face months ago,if not years. But of course,it sounds like a last minute decision. :whatever:

[NewYorkSpider]

The Lizard is pretty much going to be in this movie. I can't see them not putting him in at this point. I would be extremely surprised if they didn't.

[omid17]

^ agreed

[Octoberist]

it better be protestics, or really good CGI ala WETA or ILM.

[iamlegend]

Same here. I would much rather see those two instead. A Kraven hunting the Lizard storyline just seems too predictable.
I don't know why something that's "predictable" = something bad.

A Kraven v. Lizard storyline would fit on so many levels, and it'd create a different dynamic that we haven't seen yet.

We've had Spidey fight tandem villains... but a three-for-all would be something new to the series. And Spidey protecting the Lizard - all the while trying not to get killed by him - could lead to some great action scenes.

The only thing I'll give Electro is that his character would lead to some awesome fight scenes that neither the Lizard nor Kraven could accomplish - just because of his powers. In the end, Kraven and Lizard are both brawlers - Electro's got options.

However... you go with the better PLOT, not the better CGI.

[Silver Knight]

The Lizard is pretty much going to be in this movie. I can't see them not putting him in at this point. I would be extremely surprised if they didn't.
What makes you say this? Gut feeling?

[NewYorkSpider]

What makes you say this? Gut feeling?


He was originally going to be in #2, Dylan Baker had a more of a significant role in the third and the fans have wanted him for a while. I'm 99% sure that Lizard will be in this movie.

[Silver Knight]

Why was he never in the third. We will be GCI correct?

[omid17]

He was originally going to be in #2, Dylan Baker had a more of a significant role in the third and the fans have wanted him for a while. I'm 99% sure that Lizard will be in this movie.true and ur not even adding in the mtv interview just released about how Raimi loves that character

[NewYorkSpider]

Why was he never in the third. We will be GCI correct?

He wasn't in the third movie because of the ending of the goblin story. There simply wasn't enough room for the Lizard to fit into the story. They also wanted to bring in Venom.

true and ur not even adding in the mtv interview just released about how Raimi loves that character

Exactly. Raimi loves the character and probably isn't going to hesitate with what the fans want. Especially after the tragedy Spider-Man 3 was.

[spider-neil]

got to be the lizard and family with one throw away b list villian that spidey takes down in 5 minutes flat (rhino/shocker)

[spider-neil]

question; why is there secrecy in regards to potential villians? what difference does it what who knows ahead of filming?

[snakeinthegear]

As much as I and most of us here want the lizard, I'm not getting my hopes up. Raimi is the sort of person to take things completely out of left field and give us some humdinging villain.

[bullets]

question; why is there secrecy in regards to potential villians? what difference does it what who knows ahead of filming?


That's what I'm saying. I want to see the film more if I know the Villians .

[omid17]

i remember before sm2 started filming, they mentioned how Tobey loves the Sandman character and walah we got him in the movie. A lot of people have been talking about the Lizard and even Raimi said recently that he loves the character, im 99% sure we'll get him for SM4

[snakeinthegear]

Nobody here is sure about any villain to any degree. We can only hope we get who we want.

[spider-neil]

remember that freaking sweet poster of doc ock (doc is my favorite spidey villian and I nearly lost it when I saw that poster) how soon into production was that poster released?

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/153/929762.jpg

how freaking SWEET is that?! I'm jazzed for the lizard rendition of this

[BigSams50]

^ Tht poster is all kinds of awesomeness

[Goran]

That poster is awesome!

The first bummer that S-M3 had was not to have a great villain poster like S-M2's

[Oscorp]

I just hate how they dance around this subject. It's fun for us to speculate,of course. But what's the harm in just annoucing the villain(s)? Now,I can understanding keep secret the look of the villains and certain plot points,but it just pisses me off how they are afraid of saying anything. I don't see an announement ruining anything. I'm sure they knew who Spidey would face months ago,if not years. But of course,it sounds like a last minute decision. :whatever:

But think about this: If we get to know that Lizard and Kraven will be the villains, then it would be very easy to find out what the plot will be and that might kill the excitement.

However, I'm just as eager as you to know who the villains are. I want to know NOW! :csad:

[Oscorp]

As much as I and most of us here want the lizard, I'm not getting my hopes up. Raimi is the sort of person to take things completely out of left field and give us some humdinging villain.

Uhm, what are you talking about?

Spider-Man: Green Goblin (arch enemy and most awesome villain)
Spider-Man 2: Dr. Octopus (one of the Big Three)
Spider-Man 3: Venom (one of the Big Three) & Sandman (who both Tobey and Raimi before said were their favourite villain)

Dude, that's not what I'd call "completely out of left field" :whatever:

[spider-neil]

Uhm, what are you talking about?

Spider-Man: Green Goblin (arch enemy and most awesome villain)
Spider-Man 2: Dr. Octopus (one of the Big Three)
Spider-Man 3: Venom (one of the Big Three) & Sandman (who both Tobey and Raimi before said were their favourite villain)

Dude, that's not what I'd call "completely out of left field" :whatever:

venom was out of left field for a self confessed fan of the silver age villians.

[spider-neil]

I'll be absolutely amazed if lizard isn't in the 4th movie, he ticks too many boxes not to be.

[Oscorp]

venom was out of left field for a self confessed fan of the silver age villians.

Yeah, but all of the other choices (forgot to mention Harry, who was expected due to the cliffhanger from Spidey 2) were expected. So imo, one choice, who still is one of the most popular villains (among kids), doesn't make Raimi "the sort of person to take things completely out of left field"... -_-

[FaT_tONle]

I know Raimi says the same thing about every film, but I don't see how Lizard impedes or challenges Parker's maturation as Spiderman. That's more of an argument for Venom/GG2 villains. Just seems like we are going to get a left hook at some point.

[Reikowolf]

Dylan Baker should get a cameo in the venom movie. He still has the symbiote sample

[Spider-Vader]

I know Raimi says the same thing about every film, but I don't see how Lizard impedes or challenges Parker's maturation as Spiderman. That's more of an argument for Venom/GG2 villains. Just seems like we are going to get a left hook at some point.
Spidey fighting a role model/parental figure?

[SymbioticToxin]

Me, I'm all for making assumptions about the villains. I'm with NYS though with Lizard and the gut feeling. To me they wouldn't ahve introduced him in SM2 if they weren't gonna make him The Lizard. And Rami also likes the Lizard, which is also a sure sign to me that hes gonna be in it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

He was originally going to be in #2, Dylan Baker had a more of a significant role in the third and the fans have wanted him for a while. I'm 99% sure that Lizard will be in this movie. WHich is why I think Lizard is in this one. Hell, Sam loves the Lizard and so does Grant Curtis.

[sauronthegreat]

And Rami also likes the Lizard, which is also a sure sign to me that hes gonna be in it.

Raimi also said that he loved Electro, the Vulture and the Sinister Six; and that how they will play out in a film.

[Sebastos]

I betting it's Lizard aswell, without a doubt.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Raimi also said that he loved Electro, the Vulture and the Sinister Six; and that how they will play out in a film. I don't think they can use 6 Villians. I heard a while back that they're limited to just 2.

[Venom'sDad]

I just hate how they dance around this subject. It's fun for us to speculate, of course; but, what's the harm in just annoucing the villain(s)?I do too, all of the coded answer to simple questions. I understand it's part of their marketing plan to "HYPE" the film... but it's getting tired. They really should try something different, like simply saying who the villains are. Given the apprehension many must feel after SM3.

Now, I can understanding keep secret the look of the villains and certain plot points, but it just pisses me off how they are afraid of saying anything. I don't see an announement ruining anything.I certainly agree, it won't ruin anything. I for one actually think an announcement can only help given the disappointment of SM3, the staleness the franchise is quickly approaching, because of the new style of doing comic book films, and to signal to the fans, a new approach.

I'm sure they knew who Spidey would face months ago,if not years. But of course,it sounds like a last minute decision. :whatever:No doubt they know and known for a pretty length of time. It's all part of their plan to keep the buzz & hype going for a length of time. One can not ignore the fact that it does work;, although like you and I, and I'm sure many others, pist.

Great post Venom75 :up::up::up:

Counter the growth??? Sounds like something personal or psychological. Can't imagine Lizard not being in it though.FaTs, at this point I wouldn't put alot of stock into much what Sam be saying. He's following the same playbook, of giving us all of this "coded" answer that are so viral, no one can quite follow what he's saying or referring to.

Neitherless, I think the key to understanding his BS, may lie in the highlighted... particular what's underlined.
“What we’re trying to do right now is really understand the journey Peter is going to go on this time and have the villain maybe be a counter to that growth, something that he has to overcome… Or maybe he has to grow in a way to overcome the villain, because there always seem to be stories of coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life, so once we are identifying the exact movement that Peter has to grow to, I think the villain—and we’re trying this right now; we’re trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict.”

[Silver Knight]

I betting it's Lizard aswell, without a doubt.
Let's hope so.

[Nightmare]

Betting Its Lizard. Wonder if it'll Just be Lizard though.

[Silver Knight]

When do you guys honestly think we will know for sure?

[SymbioticToxin]

Honestly, I'd say sometime before filming. Like january or febuary. It could even be december or november for all we know.

[Hectorminator]

So Sam said he wants to get "back to basics", and not have as many villains.

I hope this means at most two classic villains. But that they don't "team-up" against Spidey, but rather split up the screen time half-and-half.

I think the best match would be the Lizard taking up the first half of the movie, and Spidey dealing with Kraven the Hunter the second half.

Kind of like how Two-Face didn't really show up until after the Joker was out of the picture in the Dark Knight.

[VenomVsSpidey]

I;m sick of hearing about how the dark knight should influence spider-man 4.

was the dark knight amazing? hell yes it was.
flawed? yes, it had some of those too. (yup...just commited that cardinal sin)

spider-man+batman ideas = no thanks..

[Hectorminator]

Mmm I agree.

I'm not saying Spider-Man should be influenced by the Dark Knight as a film itself. But the idea to not put all the villains together.

Spider-Man + not having all the villains on the screen at the same time = good idea

[Octoberist]

it would be weird not to have The Lizard. it's like a huge tease throughout all three movies to have Dylan Baker there.

But I wouldn't mind Electro I suppose. I don't know. It depends how intelligent The Lizard is.

But in the end, I think The Lizard is the best way to go because they don't have to overthink the character because he's been established already. No need to have a big intro; keep it simple and just add to the layer of development , you know?

[LightningFlash]

I don't think they can use 6 Villians. I heard a while back that they're limited to just 2.

You can have six villains in a film, all you need is to explain the purpose of the villains in the movies before the sixth(which is why, if a reboot is to come in the future, this would be a great arc for the first five films, to bring in the members of the Sinister six, by twos, minus a couple of movies with Green Goblin and Lizard). But, also, you need someone smart enough to create an amazing script, even with six villains. A script that will blow S-M 3's poor excuse of a script out of the water.

And, I love how NOW Raimi is saying "I'm going to get back to the basics". He's only saying that now, because if someone above him wants to put in a villain, Raimi will just bend over and take the "advice".

[omid17]

Asked about complaints that there were too many villains in Spider-Man 3, he said: "I think having so many villains detracted from the experience. I would agree with the criticism."

Raimi added that he had learned some new lessons and storytelling tricks from his last film, Drag Me to Hell. "I think I've learned about the importance of getting to the point and the importance of having limitations, and I'm hoping to take that into a production where I'm actually allowed to explore with more of the tools to pull it off with a little more splendor.

"I hope I don't lose that edge that I've just found. That would be my approach to 'Spider-Man 4 (http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8769#)': to get back to the basics."Thank God

[TheFuture]

I certainly hope that's the case.

He's certainly a prime candidate to be the film's main villain - After two appearances of Conners, with the Lizard being cut from Spider-Man 2 and, not to mention, he is one of the few classic rogues that have yet to be seen in the films.

I honestly can't see anyone else, especially when Raimi says

Or maybe he has to grow in a way to overcome the villain

That to me sounds like Peter will have to put his personal feelings a side to beat the villian, that he will have to make the tough decisions, even if it means hurting Doc Conners.

If Raimi is taking a leaf from The Dark Knight then i hope he'll have one villain who's personally connected to Peter Parker and another who isn't. It could actually be interesting imo.:o

I'd love to see the other villain know about The Lizard's real identity, and see him constantly attack the hypocrisy of Spider-Man for not doing as much as he could do in taking The Lizard down. Just being a right pain in the ass, but someone who begrudgingly has a point.

Yeah, I agree, and honestly, I couldn't be happier. I mean, the Lizard has ben long awaited, and Connor's has been established throughout these films, which just makes it a perfect time to make the Lizard.

Same here. I wonder if Raimi will stick with Dylan Baker. I assume he cast the role taking into account the eventual prominence Connors will come into, so I'm sure Baker has the chops to pull it off.

[Symbiotic]

New interview with Raimi was a good read, glad to hear his thoughts on limitations, though I don't hold him accountable for any of the dislikes I had with Spidey 3.

[Ace of Knaves]

That poster is awesome!

The first bummer that S-M3 had was not to have a great villain poster like S-M2's

The Sandman poster where he is standing in front of his daughter was pretty awesome.

[omid17]

agreed

[Sebastos]

Betting Its Lizard. Wonder if it'll Just be Lizard though.

I hope it's just Lizard. :o

[Rodrigo90]

You cant have Lizard and not have Kraven. Its the Law.

[Sebastos]

As much as I want Kraven I can live without him not being in SM4.

[Nightmare]

Think of it this way, if we only get one villian. We'll have another side story with Mary Jane being jealous or some ****

[omid17]

Asked about complaints that there were too many villains in Spider-Man 3, he said: "I think having so many villains detracted from the experience. I would agree with the criticism."

Raimi added that he had learned some new lessons and storytelling tricks from his last film, Drag Me to Hell. "I think I've learned about the importance of getting to the point and the importance of having limitations, and I'm hoping to take that into a production where I'm actually allowed to explore with more of the tools to pull it off with a little more splendor.

"I hope I don't lose that edge that I've just found. That would be my approach to 'Spider-Man 4 (http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8769#)': to get back to the basics." thank you

[Venom 1988]

The Sandman poster where he is standing in front of his daughter was pretty awesome.

Too bad it was never released and only at Comic Con to view

[omid17]

Too bad it was never released and only at Comic Con to viewi know :csad:

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z277/venomwithin/sandmanpostercomic.jpg

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Agreed. I would've LOVED to have owned it.

[GoldGoblin]

Be cool if Jonah Jameson received a package at the Daily Bugle,when Jonah opens the package,it is a suitcase.When Jonah opens the suitcase it is a pair of gauntlets
laying on top of a suit that will protect the user from the gauntlets blasts.

Jonah could be the Shocker or Electro.Maybe as Electro Jonah creates the Lizard by blasting Dr.Connors by accident during a fight with spidey,mutating the lizard DNA that is in Dr.Connors body.

The mystery would be on who sent Jonah the package,a mystery that won't be revealed in SM4.

As for MJ,please Raimi don't have her taken hostage by the villain,don't have her scream her brains out,don't have her talk like she is the greatest,etc.

[Goran]

Be cool if Jonah Jameson received a package at the Daily Bugle,when Jonah opens the package,it is a suitcase.When Jonah opens the suitcase it is a pair of gauntlets
laying on top of a suit that will protect the user from the gauntlets blasts.

Jonah could be the Shocker or Electro.Maybe as Electro Jonah creates the Lizard by blasting Dr.Connors by accident during a fight with spidey,mutating the lizard DNA that is in Dr.Connors body.

The mystery would be on who sent Jonah the package,a mystery that won't be revealed in SM4.

As for MJ,please Raimi don't have her taken hostage by the villain,don't have her scream her brains out,don't have her talk like she is the greatest,etc.

Which drugs do you consume?
I'd like some of 'em :D

[Spider-ManHero12]

I hope it's just Lizard. :o I honestly would love it to be just the Lizard, or Lizard and Kraven, etc. Both would work well, IMO.

[omid17]

hey it's too late to hire new actors for SM4 right? since it'll start shooting in March

[Sebastos]

New actors has in for Peter and MJ? Yes.