Official Villian Casting & Discussion Thread

[BrollySupersj]

The costume/weapons design for New Goblin works as thugs or hench men the Green Goblin would use, if you ask me.

[Rodrigo90]

Id like to talk about Venom...

What did they do to him? Hes the size of The Undertaker in the comics...in the Movie...Rey Mysterio,ugh.

[BrollySupersj]

Id like to talk about Venom...

What did they do to him? Hes the size of The Undertaker in the comics...in the Movie...Rey Mysterio,ugh.

They pretty much wanted to make him Spider-Man's equal. That's why he's roughly the same as Spider-Man.

[Rodrigo90]

Thats the official story.

Truth is that they couldnt be assed making him big and powerful. He was specifically made smaller so that Spider-Man didnt have much as a challenge as he had with Sandman and not as epic.

Venom is one of the greatest villains of all time and they disrespected that.

[Oscorp]

Thats the official story.

Truth is that they couldnt be assed making him big and powerful. He was specifically made smaller so that Spider-Man didnt have much as a challenge as he had with Sandman and not as epic.

Venom is one of the greatest villains of all time and they disrespected that.

One of the most overrated I would say. :whatever:

EDIT: So you don't think they disrespected Green Goblin more by killing him off in the origin movie? You don't think they disrespected Doc Ock more by making him controlled by his mechanical arms?

Even though Venom was not as big as he maybe should be, and even though he was given the least amount of time, he was done alot more justice given his character imo.

[Rodrigo90]

But he sounded like a Parrot...He was small...sounded like a Parrot...the humanity.lol

[BrollySupersj]

Well, it's been two years, I'd say it's time to get over it, and move on.

[Rodrigo90]

Youre right. Lets just put that behind us. Moving on to new villains. Wasnt Sam going to use Vulture in Spider-Man 2? Do you think he'll pick up on that again?

[Spider-Fan83]

It's less of a leap of logic to think it did, than to think it didn't.
you do get that I was saying that jokingly, right
(though, something like that, probably would need to be custom fitted to the individual wearer)

but, if you really want someone to blame for them not using the same suit, blame the fans who all complained about how they didn't like the suit from the first one

[anrrd_2]

^ never did understand the complaing about GG's suit in SM1. i thought it was perfect! did people really expect the suit to be nothing more than a halloween costume? that would have insured that the movie would have been mediocre at best. and that would mean no SM2, or Iron Man. The whole comicbook movie renaissance was born because of the success of Spiderman and X-men... if even one of them had failed we almost certainly would not have been given watchmen of the nolan batman films. The comic book genre would have ended in a slow painful death at the hands of "Batman and Robin" and "Nick Fury: Agent of Shield"...

...all that just because Green Goblin didn't have the armoured suit. A little over dramatic? possibly. but i stand by it :oldrazz:

[ThatDamnNinja]

I'm in the middle. I know the comic book costume would not have worked. But the movie costume, at least the mask, was stupid.

Obviously, it would be out of the question NOT to give him armor. Fine, give him armor. But also, bring some purple into the costume, and honestly, with the face, I don't care if it's illogical, give him a combination of makeup and prosthetics to make him LOOK like the Green Goblin, and so he can actually talk, and it will be clear, visually, that he's talking.

It'd be a bit like the masks in Mission: Impossible 2 in the sense of being masks that are basically grafted onto your face, and to take it off, you'd peel it away. That's basically how it is in the comics. He puts on a mask, and inexplicably, it looks like his actual face, and the mouth moves with his. We accept it in the comics, we could accept it in a movie, as long as it LOOKS good. Don't offer an explanation of the mask. He just has it.

Less logical than the mask he had in the movie? Yes. But this isn't real life. This isn't even the Nolanverse. We accept things that make no effing sense. Like Peter Parker getting spider powers because he was bitten by a spider. The fact that Doc Ock does nuclear testing in the middle of Manhattan in his apartment. The entire origin of Sandman.

[Carlo Comicus]

Wade Eastwood (X-men The Last Stand, Drag me to Hell) is the stunt coordinator for SM4.

[bubbadoom]

Please, please, please keep Carnage and any other Venom-ish characters out of any future Spidey movies. Stick them all in the VENOM solo movie if you want, but keep them out of SPIDER-MAN!

[Rodrigo90]

Heres the complaint of Mysterio.

"He's lame"

"Illusions,huh,what harm can they do?"

Mysterio is a VERY,VERY dangerous foe. He is capable of anything. Playing simple tricks on the mind,can lead to any kind off danger. Mysterio turning gigantic,may be an illusion,but its still capable of killing Spider-Man. Like the Matrix,you get killed in in there,you die in the real world. So Spider-Man fighting an illusion,can potentially cause harm to his mind and make the experience so real,it could kill him. Mysterio has at his command machines. I say instead of creating them himself,he steals them from Oscorp.

[crimsonspider89]

Mysterio is not an A-tier villain though. Spidey has beaten him with ease numerous times. He is good if working with someone or for someone but alone he sucks. Maybe have Kingpin hire him and Shocker to take him out in 5 but not this one.

[Rodrigo90]

Im sure the movie will make him a bigger and more difficult challenge than what the comics have.

[crimsonspider89]

That is why he needs to be put with Shocker or Rhino. That would make him challenging. He is only after money for the main part, same for Shocker and Rhino.

[HughJackFan420]

I don't think Raimi will bring them back. It would be hard to establish the fact that the serum miraculously gave them a healing factor so they rise from the dead. But thats just my opinion.

not really i mean look at Spider-Man 3 at the Harry and MJ kissing scene after Harry reveals his script he wrote for MJ. MJ tries to look for a scar or marking from the head damage he received with the 1st encounter with Peter. She says something like,"there's hardly a scratch" or something like that. so it's evident that the serum does have a healing factor.

[omid17]

Norman and Harry died in the same way, both got their **** torn up by their gliders, Raimi aint bringing them back

[HughJackFan420]

well yeah that's a given but just saying the possibilities are there. it just irritates why the people in charge of making this movies insist of introducing the villain and then killing them. i mean look at the TDK...Joker lives...everyone is happy. Magneto in X-Men...but why do the villains have to die in the Spidey films? Especially with Venom i mean WTF!!??

[omid17]

im cool with all the deaths in sm films except for Venom but i guess since they're making a spin off maby he made it out alive somehow , and don't forget Sandman he's still out there too

[anrrd_2]

ya, it was slightly off-putting that only 1 out of the 5 villians spidey has faced lived at the end, 1 out of six if u include uncle bens REAL killer. but that death was actually accurate to the comics AND essential to the story.

If raimi wants to kill of characters, bring in the lizard to kill some people... in the comics i believe it was Doc Ock who killed Captain Stacy, but i doubt the fanboys would pitch a huge fit if Lizard did him in. It would be especially powerful if Peter and Gwen were dating in SM4 and she blamed spiderman for her fathers death. loves peter, hates spiderman, fun drama... add to that Gwens new best friend felicia hardy(pre black cat) who cant stand peter but is infatuated with spiderman. it becomes a sort of ANTI-love-triangle that doesnt include MJ. i like MJ, but i think she needs to be absent from sm4. maybe in California trying to make it as an actress.

[crimsonspider89]

MJ needs to be friends with Peter while he is dating Gwen and introduce Felicia. Agree with your storyline.

[anrrd_2]

i would love to see peter and MJ reconcile but agree to stay separated in SM4, MJ goes away to focus on acting.

Peter and Gwen grow closer and closer....Captain Stacy is killed, Gwen blames spidey... introduce felicia who like i said loves spidey but cant stand peter

Then in SM5, Felicia becomes black cat after finding out her father was not dead as she believed him to be but actually in prison because he is the infamous catburglar. Aunt May passes away, she leaves peter a note telling him that she knew he was spiderman all along and that she is extremely proud of him.

bring in hobgoblin who kills Gwen in a scene eerily similar to the bridge scene in SM1...except that hobgoblin prevents peter from saving Gwen. MJ, who was returning from Cali, sees the whole thing. peter is blind with rage (RAGE! NOT TEARS!) He and black cat team up to stop hobgoblin. Black Cat is fatally wounded but survives, spidey makes her promise not to fight crime anymore

in SM6, MJ is trying to help peter deal with all he has lost but he pushes her away. he still loves her, but is determined not to let anyone else get close enough to him to get hurt. Black cat comes back against spideys wishes, they become very close because spidey doesnt feel like he has to worry about her as much. however felicia and peter still do not get along.



thats what i came up with as far as relationships go... as far as villians? idk, lizard...hobgoblin... scorpion and rhino in 6? the story can be adjusted to fit any villian

[Rodrigo90]

Heres what I see.

4 years pass. Peter and MJ are on the verge of marriage. Peter has a staff job. MJ is an actress and 2 month pregnant!!! Life is running smoothly. That is until...MJ is filming a new movie,"Master Of Illusion". A movie where she plays the part of a girl trapped in a world of fantasy by the Master Of Illusion. However little does anybody know,the special effects artist,Quention Beck,is planning to sabotage the movie and kill the stars. During the course of the movie Mysterio ruins Peter and MJs wedding and MJ and Aunt May both die!!!...or do they?

[anrrd_2]

^not bad, though i dont think sony would ever let MJ die. no matter how open ended or mysterious the death is. its like if they made a movie out of the "brand new day" story line... Fanboys would burn down the studio and dance naked on the ashes.

[crimsonspider89]

Like yours anrrd. Anyway, Gwen needs to be killed off before MJ and Spidey get married. Lizard deserves to be villain before Mysterio in my opinion. SM5 would have Mysterio and Rhino/ Shocker trying to kill Spidey and Spidey gets married to MJ in this movie and Aunt May dies. I want Gwen to die in the 4 at the end. Maybe Hobgoblin appears through the movie as a common criminal? Anyway, Mysterio nor Shocker's characters have been shown.

[Spider-Vader]

Mysterio is not an A-tier villain though. Spidey has beaten him with ease numerous times. He is good if working with someone or for someone but alone he sucks. Maybe have Kingpin hire him and Shocker to take him out in 5 but not this one.

They could always make him stronger in the movies.

[crimsonspider89]

Yeah but then he would not be Mysterio. He is annoying but not super powerful.

[Rodrigo90]

It appears MJ and Aunt May die. But eventually Spidey tracks them down to battle Mysterio.

[anrrd_2]

oh, i see. i though that u meant the movie ended with their mysterious deaths lol.

[crimsonspider89]

BUT he has not caught Mysterio. Remember? He caught Mysterio and sent him to jail before he became Mysterio. I think Mysterio and Shocker as a duo would be good opponents for Spidey in the 5

[Rodrigo90]

A scene where Hobgoblin kidnaps MJ and copies what GG did. Then Mysterio shows up with Gwen and Spidey thinks its an illusion. He saves MJ,but fails to save Gwen,cause he thinks shes an hallucination in order to distract him...Thats how evil Mysterio can be.

I think it would be silly to have Hobgoblin kill Gwen imo. If GGoblin didnt to the tradition,then coming from another Goblin wouldnt be right.

[crimsonspider89]

But they probably won't bring back GG. Have hob steal the formula and tech. He would go insane just like Norman. Mysterio like I said is annoying and plays emotional and he is at his best when working for someone or with someone. Other wise, he is not smart enough to do it alone. I mean, when he is not working for someone or have allies, Peter owns him. He would be a good combo with Shocker funded by Kingpin or maybe Hammerhead/ tombstone. Imagine illusions of the Shocker!

[anrrd_2]

A scene where Hobgoblin kidnaps MJ and copies what GG did. Then Mysterio shows up with Gwen and Spidey thinks its an illusion. He saves MJ,but fails to save Gwen,cause he thinks shes an hallucination in order to distract him...Thats how evil Mysterio can be.

I think it would be silly to have Hobgoblin kill Gwen imo. If GGoblin didnt to the tradition,then coming from another Goblin wouldnt be right.

i disagree, i think having her be killed by anyone other than a goblin would be wrong. and i dont think spidey would not try to save gwen because she MIGHT be an illusion. His spidey sense should tell him its not.

[crimsonspider89]

Exactly. His spidey sense would tell him what is real but if it is with six shockers, which one is the real?

[Rodrigo90]

Maybe have Hobgoblin and Mysterio on the bridge. Spidey arrives and sees Hobgoblin with Gwen. Then...Green Goblin appears and has MJ. Spidey rescues Gwen and lets the illusion of Green Goblin throw the illusion MJ of the bridge. Spidey snaps out of his hallucination...To find that Gwen is actually MJ and the illusion of GG throwing MJ from the bridge was really Mysterio with Gwen.

[anrrd_2]

then who did he catch?

[crimsonspider89]

Too confusing for movies. Bad reviews everywhere. Sorry, next movie should be The Lizard and Hobgoblin at most.

[Rodrigo90]

He caught MJ,who in his mind looked like Gwen.

[Rodrigo90]

He caught MJ,who in his mind looked like Gwen.

Even Im confused with my idea now lol:huh:

[anrrd_2]

ya, the whole mysterio/gwen/goblin/MJ/bridge/illusion thing made my brain hurt....i prefer hobgoblin offing gwen like GG tried to do to MJ in the first film, except that hobgoblin succeeds. I think that all the illusions would leave the audience scratching their heads and take away from the dramatic effect of gwens death

[Rodrigo90]

Yeah. You can still have Mysterio and his illusions. But not the gwen/goblin/MJ/bridge/illusion thing lol.

[Rodrigo90]

http://img.listal.com/image/180419/600full-steve-buscemi.jpg
I think Steve would make an interesting Mysterio.

[Spider-Fan83]

you know who else, I've been thinking could be a good, Mysterio,...Hank Azaria

[terry78]

Movies aren't afraid to kill off female semi-love interests now after TDK. Honestly, Spidey should have beat them to the punch with that by having Gwen be killed, but whatever.

[Silver Knight]

Movies aren't afraid to kill off female semi-love interests now after TDK. Honestly, Spidey should have beat them to the punch with that by having Gwen be killed, but whatever.
What has this got to do with anything in this thread?

[Spider-Fan83]

Movies aren't afraid to kill off female semi-love interests now after TDK. Honestly, Spidey should have beat them to the punch with that by having Gwen be killed, but whatever.

Gwen's death in the movie, wouldn't really have the same impact as in did the comics, she wasn't really even used here as a love interest, he had no real feeling for her, her death wouldn't be a life changing event for him, he'd be sad, sure, but, no more then he would be for anyone he failed to save

now, since there was a bit of role reversal, between MJ (with her being his first love) and Gwen (being the hot new girl)
the only meaningful death of an love interest, would be MJ's, which will never happen

[Rodrigo90]

MJ disappearing for a brief stint like in the comics and cartoons wouldnt be bad. Where she turned out to be a clone,similar to HydroMan. Then it stupidly ended with Spidey going into a different dimension with Madame Webb to look for the real MJ. Maybe the audience believe MJ to have died...then later revealed that she is trapped by Mysterio.

[Venom'sDad]

http://img.listal.com/image/180419/600full-steve-buscemi.jpg
I think Steve would make an interesting Mysterio.

I think a more interesting Cletus Kasidy.

[Rodrigo90]

I recommend Matthew Lillard for Carnage. Watch Scream and youll understand,when he flips out in the end convinced me.

[mothy]

i'd like to see black cat at some stage. a cameo at least. i think that has the potential to be interesting.

[conan69]

Kraven & The Lizard work perfectly together.
Kraven comes to NYC to hunt the 2 most dangerous game on the planet - Spiderman and Lizard.How Raimi doesnt get this is beyond me.

It also makes perfect sense to use Lizard with Kraven since as said, most people never really considered Kraven to be a really threatening villian. Put the 2 together and you have a good setup for a entertaining film.

We're going on the 4th movie and STILL no Lizard???

[Carlo Comicus]

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_17443.html

This interview is new??

[omid17]

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_17443.html

This interview is new??from may 19

[Jick09]

http://img.listal.com/image/180419/600full-steve-buscemi.jpg
I think Steve would make an interesting Mysterio.I can actually see him as Mysterio, and I think he'd be a good one.

[BillyD]

I'd love to see Gerard Butler as Kraven...and what is the name of that Donnie guy from "Bully?" I think he'd make an awesome Kletus Kassidy

[The Jester]

I think a premise like this for Mysterio would be quite interesting:

Mary Jane is part of a broadway or a movie with of course Quentin Beck as director/special effects master. Quentin Beck personally asks MJ to audition for the lead and gives it to her because deep down he has a strong obsession with her.

He sees how she's always encountering Spider-man, and that creates a jealousy that makes Quentin set out to prove to himself that he can just be as good as spider-man.

This is the part where he poses as spider-man, being able to briefly mimic his powers. He ends up being humiliated and rediculed by the public and feels embarrassed that MJ had to see this.

This leads to his final transformation into Mysterio. He no longer strives to be a hero, but more or less a god in his own eyes. I personally think it would be awesome for him to create a 'palace' in the middle of New York City where he forces MJ to be his queen.

[anrrd_2]

^ add to that that the play is about MJ and Spiderman... mysterio can use that against him/her later in the flick. an epic fight between spidey and a bunch of illusions of himself

[Rodrigo90]

Steve would be a great Mysterio. I always liked that Mysterio was a weak man,but almost impossible to get to. The way Mysterio should be portrayed is an all poweful mysterious menace. Steve is somebody that you wouldn't imagine as Mysterio and that makes it better.

HIM? Capable of all this...who wouldve thought?

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://img.listal.com/image/180419/600full-steve-buscemi.jpg
I think Steve would make an interesting Mysterio. Yeah, defenitely a great choice if yuo ask me. An awesome actor overall.

[Rodrigo90]

A good element. Mysterio having a vivid imagine would be cool. So much that he creates (at least in mind) a fortress from the the Empire State. Him and MJ could be like beauty and the beast (retrospect). Ann and Kong...Only Mysterio is deluded to believe he has a chance,lol.

I think Jacobs Ladder would make good inspiration. A psychological story for Spider-Man. In Jacobs Ladder,you dont whats going to happen next or who to trust or what was really happening to him. Peter thinking hes going mad and waking up in one of Mysterios illusions, to see people from the past movies who have died still alive...then BOOM! they turn into hellish versions that torment Peter,till he snaps out of it. But as we know... HE WILL KICK MYSTERIOS ASS IN THE END,lol.

[Gamma Goliath]

I wish they would say what direction they're going, its so hard trying to choose from villians.

[Marx]

Let's keep the discussion civil and respectful guys. There's no reason for the attitudes.

[SymbioticToxin]

I'm not saying they'll ahve him for a 4th one, but do you think Raimi would ever consider putting..whats his name, Morlun? Yeah, him, dod you think he'd put him in the film series? Or Hydro-man, or someone other villain less known.

[Jick09]

Morlun's story is kinda complicated, with Ezekiel and the totem and all of that stuff. I like the character, but I don't want to see him so early, and I don't think Sam would use him. He likes the classics, as we know.

[SymbioticToxin]

True true. Inunderstand that, but I'm taking into fact that Raimi has a thing for supernatural, and Morlun adn Ezekial adn all that are pretty supernatural. I could see Raimi doing a movie with that though. But I'm ok with the classics. Hell, I'll even be happy if he, for some unearthly reason, goes with Molten Man. But not the Walrus. I'll beat someone if Raimi ever wanted to make him the villain...I'm sorry, what were we talking about?

[Venom'sDad]

I think a premise like this for Mysterio would be quite interesting:

Mary Jane is part of a broadway or a movie with of course Quentin Beck as director/special effects master. Quentin Beck personally asks MJ to audition for the lead and gives it to her because deep down he has a strong obsession with her.

He sees how she's always encountering Spider-man, and that creates a jealousy that makes Quentin set out to prove to himself that he can just be as good as spider-man.

This is the part where he poses as spider-man, being able to briefly mimic his powers. He ends up being humiliated and rediculed by the public and feels embarrassed that MJ had to see this.

This leads to his final transformation into Mysterio. He no longer strives to be a hero, but more or less a god in his own eyes. I personally think it would be awesome for him to create a 'palace' in the middle of New York City where he forces MJ to be his queen.

I think if Mysterio was being use as a villain, his background in film & stage shouldn't be so obvious; and definitely, shouldn't have any connection to MJ.

[The Jester]

I think if Mysterio was being use as a villain, his background in film & stage shouldn't be so obvious; and definitely, shouldn't have any connection to MJ.
Did you ever read the Daredevil storyline Guardian Devil? I love the ending with Mysterio's speech, where he briefly talks about critically acclaimed directors and how the name 'Quentin Beck' never stood out to anyone.

[SymbioticToxin]

Did you ever read the Daredevil storyline Guardian Devil? I love the ending with Mysterio's speech, where he briefly talks about critically acclaimed directors and how the name 'Quentin Beck' never stood out to anyone.
Thats what he should be. Begrudged director who nobody knew, nobody cared about, and nobody knew would try to exact revenge.

[Rodrigo90]

I just see him psychotic,with a vivid imagination. Expert in creativity on all different subjects. Technological expert and chemist. I do think to make it more understandable and easy,he steals drugs and weapons from Oscorp.

[SymbioticToxin]

I just see him psychotic,with a vivid imagination. Expert in creativity on all different subjects. Technological expert and chemist. I do think to make it more understandable and easy,he steals drugs and weapons from Oscorp.
I like it up to that point. I don't really think Oscopr really exists anymmore in the movieverse, considering Norman and Harry are pushin daisys at the moment.

[Rodrigo90]

True. Its best to stay clear. What with the Osborns dead and Oscorp being exposed as the culprit to aiding and abetting the Goblins,lol.

Mysterio is best on his own. But it would be interesting to see him using Weapons and Machines to his cause,Im sure with all his resources he can turn anything into danger. Real or Illusion.

[SymbioticToxin]

Well, now that I'm thinking about it, he could work for Oscorp. He could be a worker with a penchant for the abnormal and all that good stuff, and creates technology to aid him in being a superhero to get a name for himself, like he tried to do in the comics. And the tech could cause hallucinations and he could customize some of the goblin stuff (if he somehow finds it) for his get-up.

Thank goodness my teacher lets me on the internet, or I'd be in trouble right now.

[GoldGoblin]

MJ wants a serum like Harry did,so she can help spidey out with future villains,but the formula makes her go crazy over time and she becomes a villain.

[venom892]

That has to be the wackiest idea you've had and you've had some wack ideas.

[Jick09]

Hahahahaha.
Man, this must be on purpose. It has to.

[Rodrigo90]

MJ wants to resurrect Harry and sells Peters soul to Mephisto and Bruce Campball as Dr. Strange travels in Hell to get it back.

[GoldGoblin]

The graves of all of Peter's enemies are dug up and then his enemies are showing up to fight him,GG,Doc Ock,Venom.Peter can't explain how these characters are back from the dead.

Then Peter finds out that a new villain,Mysterio has dug up these graves,took the bodies,and took out their DNA to put into his robots to make them as real as can be.

[sauronthegreat]

double post :(

[sauronthegreat]

So... if we asuume that the Black Cat is definetily the 'villain' that somehow fits into Raimi's comment about a villain who would lead Peter to his maturity. By maturity he probably meant his relationship with MJ.. as if we thought any different. The drama and friendship with MJ continues, while a new more provocative female enters Peter's life, and Spidey's. Spidey must choos wether to fillow his passion or condemn the Cat.

WOW! I don't think that I am going to have high expectations for this one. And this is Sam's closure?!

The actress is really good looking, and I can picture her as Felicia... but the Black Cat is not that important to have in a film.
Wheter it would have the same formula as SM3 where there is the Black Cat, Kraven and eventually Lizard. Kraven would be another cast for a villain, and I think the Lizard would be kept in the dark until the trailer or ComicCon or the formula of two villains with an anti-hero and a villain. Now who would be a good choice... maybe Scorpion?

[venom892]

What I fear is that SM4 will be more of the same romantic conflict between MJ and Peter.Why does it always have to be a love triangle?First Harry,then John Jameson.Gwen and Now Felicia?Jeez Rami why can't you know Peter and MJ be the fun couple they are in the comics?Does there always have to be a romantic competetor?I was hoping that there be an empasis on the connors family with MJ bonding with Martha and martha convincing her that even when our spouses do something we don't agree with{Or that turn them into giant lizards}that you still love them and stick by them.But now it's just going to be more romantic tension.:o

[NinjaCarm]

I hope this doesn't mean more romantic tension. Can't they just have Mary Jane as a small supporting character in this one PLEASE!???!?!?!

[Goran]

edit... nevermind ^^

[Spider-Fan]

Black Cat being a main villain wouldn't be my first choice, but with Raimi's return, did you REALLY think MJ would take a backseat role and their relationship not be a central part of the film? If you did, then you were dreaming. Sam has explored that relationship for 3 films now, and if you thought he wasn't going to in this one, when history shows that it is his prime focus for the series, then you won't like the movie more than likely. Whether Black Cat is in the film or not, this film will heavily focus on Peter and MJ. I personally hope for no Black Cat. Way overrated villain. I'm not excited by the choice at all. But, I'm going to wait to see if this is true and who she would be paired with. If we get someone like Mysterio, that would make me care a little less about her being in the film cause at least we'd have a great main villain.

[SymbioticToxin]

Judging by the posts, I take it we all read the post on the main page then. I don't think its a good idea. Maybe if they dind't introduce Gwen it'd be fine, but now? No. Just no.

[Dog Brother #1]

Awesome. When was the last time that a female villian was done well? (actually it was 1992). Sweet. I like the whole angle that she likes Spidey, but not Petey.

[Catman]

Now that we're getting into the 4th movie, and running out of main villains, I think it's time to consider using minor villains in pre-title sequences similar to the James Bond series. I'm talking about villains like Smythe and the Spider-Slayers, Rhino, Electro, Shocker, Hydro-Man, Morbius, and Vulture. That way the movie can start with a bang and since we're at the bottom of the barrel take up 10-15 minutes of screentime.

[Rodrigo90]

Bruce is rumored as Mysterio...WHY?

Its basically like making the Sun the enemy. People who want him as Mysterio,clearly have no idea how things work.

[The Joker]

Vulture and Electro are not minors. If you're in the Sinister Six, then you're big time.

[Spider-Vader]

Rhino & Shocker would make good opening villains. There's not much to explain besides "They're guys with technology."

[strikezone89]

how are we out of major villains? We've only lost Green Goblin, Doc Ock (maybe), and Venom (Maybe)..... Harrys character didnt count since Ramai and co. just made him a new villain .
Plus i dont consider Rhino, Electro, and Vulture a small villain. Plus there are SOO many more mainstream villains such as Carnage, Lizard, Black Cat, etc that are still out there

[QWoods]

Vulture and Black Cat seem to be the villain and minor villain for SM4, I like this.

[Spider-Fan]

Smythe, Vulture, and Electro are not minor villains. The Spider Slayers I don't think should be a throw away threat if they were used. He controls an army of those things. Vulture and Electro are SS memebers, and guys who have been huge threats to Spider-Man over the years. They're not villains who should be in the opening for Spidey to own.

I don't think we need throw away villains. Instead of having scenes that derail from the plot, we need ones that serve the plot. If a Shocker was to be thrown out in the first scene of the film or whatever, it would have to have some purpose. You can't just start the film on a random fight. That is valuable screentime you're wasting doing that.

[Catman]

If a Shocker was to be thrown out in the first scene of the film or whatever, it would have to have some purpose. You can't just start the film on a random fight. That is valuable screentime you're wasting doing that.

The James Bond series has been getting away with it for over 40 years. I mean, seriously, some of these villains can't carry their own movie. I can't imagine 2 hours of Smythe and Spider-Slayers. Where exactly would you go with that?

[mre]

Now that we're getting into the 4th movie, and running out of main villains, I think it's time to consider using minor villains in pre-title sequences similar to the James Bond series. I'm talking about villains like Smythe and the Spider-Slayers, Rhino, Electro, Shocker, Hydro-Man, Morbius, and Vulture. That way the movie can start with a bang and since we're at the bottom of the barrel take up 10-15 minutes of screentime.

I agree with you, they should open the movie with an action sequence with a super villain.
And I think the villains you named would work.

[Jick09]

I'd like to see Shocker and Rhino as the main villains. Together, they can certainly carry the movie by themselves. They're not as low grade as some make them out to be.
Scorpion is the only remaining villain that I can see carrying the movie without the addition of another villain.

[JackIvyGB]

I've been saying this ever sense Spider-Man 2! Seriously, you have one of the most popular heroes ever, and instead of at least opening on him stopping some sort of crime, be it a simple robbery or one of his minor villains...we open on him delivering pizza. I may have been more forgiving if he had stopped in the middle of the delivery to catch a purse snatcher as opposed to saving kids playing in the streets, but seriously...delivering pizza.

I love how Shocker seems to pop up from time to time only to have his butt handed to him in the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. He seems to be like the perfect character for this type of thing. It'd be cool to see him pop up a couple times and just get whooped, but then all of a sudden when the sinister 6 come out and he's just so pissed off now that he actually puts up a darn good fight with them against spidey...but still ends up getting whooped.

It feels like the only superhero film to start off with the "hero fighting a minor villain" angle is TDK, when he busts up Scarecrow's drug deal, though I'm not sure if Scarecrow qualifies as low level.

[SuperFerret]

You can't just start the film on a random fight. That is valuable screentime you're wasting doing that.

Yeah, it would be such a waste to spend time showing that Spider-man actually does stuff instead of sitting around and waiting for the next big villain to threaten the entire city and Mary Jane.

[Pirate Queen]

I don't know why people are so up in arms at the notion of him being Mysterio. It's such a hammy character, Bruce would be a perfect fit. Even if by some crazy miracle it ends up being that way, it wouldn't be more than his usual cameo. I can see the film opening with a Spidey/Mysterio fight, only to have 'Ol Fishbowl humiliatingly dispatched moments later.

Besides...has no one read Ultimate Spider-Man? ;)

[bullets]

I'd like to see Kraven and Lizard with the Introduction of Black Cat and possibly Kingpin

I would like to see part 5 and 6 a two part scenario where Kingpin breaks criminals out of prison to form a sinister six ( Electro , Vulture , Scorpion , Hobgoblin , Shocker, Rhyno ) You could also have Spider-man get assistance from Snadman and Black Cat to defeat them.

[Rodrigo90]

If he wasnt making cameo appearances,yeah. He wouldve been good. But itll just screw things up. I want Beck to be what he is from the comics.

[JackIvyGB]

I'd like to see Sandman's daughter die because he couldn't get the medicine he needed for her, and in turn he can't think of anyone to blame it on except for Spider-man, so he is the one who comes out to reunite the singularly defeated bad guys under their new unseen leader, the so called "Master Planner" (name might be a little cheesy actually...) and their unknown financier...Otto Octavius and Norman Osborn! We thought they were dead, but Otto's legs crawled him up out of the water to safety and resuscitated him! He has some harsh amnesia and keeps getting flashes of memories that only make him angrier. And the Goblin formula worked some preservation and healing factor magic and voila!

Green Goblin (in a sicker suit. Make it a little more scary looking, almost zombie-esque perhaps, keeping with his "risen from the dead" motif)
Doc Ock
Sandman
and whichever 3 bad guys Spidey fights, locks away, and Sandman subsequently breaks out (I vote for Electro, Scorpion, and either Shocker or Vulture. Lizard has to much of an emotional attatchment. He's not as much a bad guy as he is like a werewolf type thing. Someone who doesn't want to hurt people, but can't stop himself. I can't see Connors conspiring with the S6, and definitely not Lizard, as he should be an inhuman beast who at best mutters what could be considered singular words and noises)

VS

Spidey and Black Cat!

Play it out like the last part of Mark Millar's "Marvel Knights Spider-Man", only it's 6 instead of 12, the Avengers don't show up!

They could even use that same storyline: 6 of Spidey's deadliest enemies have returned, some from the grave, to enact their revenge...and they know who he is, who he loves, and how to hit him where it hurts the most. Peter is so concerned about them coming after MJ that he forgets to keep a better eye on Aunt May. They both end up getting kidnapped and Peter enlists Felicia to help him in his biggest battle yet.

[Oscorp]

Smythe, Vulture, and Electro are not minor villains. The Spider Slayers I don't think should be a throw away threat if they were used. He controls an army of those things. Vulture and Electro are SS memebers, and guys who have been huge threats to Spider-Man over the years. They're not villains who should be in the opening for Spidey to own.

I don't think we need throw away villains. Instead of having scenes that derail from the plot, we need ones that serve the plot. If a Shocker was to be thrown out in the first scene of the film or whatever, it would have to have some purpose. You can't just start the film on a random fight. That is valuable screentime you're wasting doing that.

Agree to everything you said! However, I'd love an opening scene to show Spidey beat the crap out of some street thugs. Just to show that he doesn't just fight superpowered foes etc.

[david icke]

I've been saying this ever sense Spider-Man 2! Seriously, you have one of the most popular heroes ever, and instead of at least opening on him stopping some sort of crime, be it a simple robbery or one of his minor villains...we open on him delivering pizza. I may have been more forgiving if he had stopped in the middle of the delivery to catch a purse snatcher as opposed to saving kids playing in the streets, but seriously...delivering pizza.

Aw, I loved that opening, 'He stole that guy's pizza!', thought it was perfect for Spider-man as he is the misunderstood everyman superhero.
He did save those kids on the way remember, so it wasn't all pizza.


I love how Shocker seems to pop up from time to time only to have his butt handed to him in the Ultimate Spider-Man comics. He seems to be like the perfect character for this type of thing. It'd be cool to see him pop up a couple times and just get whooped, but then all of a sudden when the sinister 6 come out and he's just so pissed off now that he actually puts up a darn good fight with them against spidey...but still ends up getting whooped.

Villans like the Shocker are perfect for this type of proposed opening. A minor but well known villan who uses technology as opposed to superpowers, you don't have to explain how they got powers or where they came from. And you can always have a throwaway explanation of where they stole the tech from or something.
Shocker, Rocket Racer, Prowler, Grizzly, these type of guys.

It feels like the only superhero film to start off with the "hero fighting a minor villain" angle is TDK, when he busts up Scarecrow's drug deal, though I'm not sure if Scarecrow qualifies as low level.

Scarecrow is major, and he already had his big role in the previous movie, this was just a tying up of loose ends scene from that. It was great to get that finally in a sh movie, just the one appearance from a supervillan in the opening action scene with the hero.

[sauronthegreat]

Electro, Vulture, and Smythe can't be minors. Electro could carry a film by himself, even Smythe can, maybe it would be great if the Scorpion was along with Smythe. Vulture definitley can't hold a film by himself IMO, but he is in no way a throw-away villain for one scene.
It's difficult to put Morbius in a Spidey film, with the 'realism' that Raimi established.. as a mutant maybe, but not a vampire. And it would be rather strange for Spidey to fight a vampire for one first action scene and then continue with Mysterio or Electro.
Only villains that deserve screentime, and are not that complex to hold a film by themselves or even in a team up with another, are maybe Shocker and Rhino, and they are not that hard to explain, but I would rather see them form a 'film version' of the Sinister Six.

[ThatDamnNinja]

So the big names being thrown around right now are:

Black Cat
Electro
Tombstone
Vulture

Cast 'em!

[TheScarecrow]

Black Cat: Melissa George.
Electro: Ben Foster.
Tombstone: Eric Dane.
Vulture: Alan Rickman.

[ThatDamnNinja]

Oh, by the way, Tombstone is black.

[mre]

Alan Rickman as the Vulture?




I don't think so.

[GoldGoblin]

So were getting a mobster and his henchman as villains,but the mob boss is Vulture and his henchman is Black Cat,who are father and daughter?

[GoldGoblin]

So Vulture and Black Cat own the Daily Bugle as a cover.Black Cat sneeks into Oscorp and steals the Goblin formula that gives her her strength and agility,but her father's body is too old for the formula cause it will give him a heart attack and kill him,so he uses the glider tech to create his wings.

[GoldGoblin]

Have spidey vs shocker,and after shocker is defeated just have the reporter say that another thug has been given suped up tech by the tinkerer.

[NinjaCarm]

God we got some varied opinions in this thread.

We have everything from Black Cat and Vulture as MAIN VILLIANS to someone suggesting SHOCKER and RHINO could hold their own movie !


SHOCKER and RHINO !!!! ???? !!!!!

Are you kidding me ?
http://www.nndb.com/people/650/000025575/samraimi04.jpg

[GoldGoblin]

The Tinkerer could give us alot of villains for spidey to fight.A suit that creates illusions,a suit with gauntlets that shoots out vibrations,another suit that does the same thing but shoots electricity,the rhino being a suit kinda like iron monger was in iron man,etc.

Maybe the Tinkerer is just the right hand man to the main villain who is the crimelord.

[GoldGoblin]

Bruce Campbell will be the crimelord mobb boss known as Tombstone...

[sauronthegreat]

The whole plot of father and daughter owning the Bugle and at the same time be crime lords and then turning super villains is SICK! It will never happen! It's just terrible!!!

[MikeFrost]

Tombstone is albino.

Anyway, if he really has to be in a movie, I'd choose Kevin Bacon. He has this cadaveric face that would fit.

[david icke]

Awesome. When was the last time that a female villian was done well? (actually it was 1992).

Mystique in the X-Men films was one of the best villans done in comicbook films.

[SymbioticToxin]

Mystique in the X-Men films was one of the best villans done in comicbook films.
Until X-3. But yes, she was one of the best.

[david icke]

Until X-3. But yes, she was one of the best.

She was still consistent with her character from the previous in X-Men 3 though, so she was still good, it was just a shame that her character was hardly in the movie. I read somewhere it was due to a scheduling conflict.

[mre]

Tombstone is albino.

Anyway, if he really has to be in a movie, I'd choose Kevin Bacon. He has this cadaveric face that would fit.

From Wikipedia:

Born as Lonnie Thompson Lincoln in Harlem, in New York City, Lonnie started out as troubled youth who was bullied by his peers because he was Harlem's only African American albino.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Alan Rickman as the Vulture?




I don't think so. Agreed. I think that if Vulture is in the 4th one, it's obvious that Ben kingsley will play him. One of the reasons being he was going to play Vulture in S-M3.

[mre]

Agreed. I think that if Vulture is in the 4th one, it's obvious that Ben kingsley will play him. One of the reasons being he was going to play Vulture in S-M3.

Kingsley is a great actor, and he definitely looks like the Vulture.

[SymbioticToxin]

Kingsley is a great actor, and he definitely looks like the Vulture.
Well, nostril wise anyway, lol. But no, he does look like Toomes.

[Paroxysm]

Villain Mobility seemed to play a factor in the previous movies, GG and Harry had the glider, Doc Ock had crazy legs that let him move up the sides of buildings.

I have a feeling they'll use the Vulture.

[MikeFrost]

From Wikipedia:

Let me quote that again for you, the proper way:

Born as Lonnie Thompson Lincoln in Harlem, in New York City, Lonnie started out as troubled youth who was bullied by his peers because he was Harlem's only African American albino. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albinism

Here's a useful link too.

Now, tell me, who do you think would portray a character like this better: a white guy or a black guy?

Certainly you're not thinking that they should get an actual albino actor? You know, because there's none?

[mre]

I don't think they should get a white a actor to play Tombstone. They can get a black actor and use a number of special effects to make him look albino.
It's possible there is a black albino actor out there. Who knows?
There are albino actors out there though. They exist.

[MikeFrost]

Sure let's blow money on making a black guy white instead of focusing on the actual needed CG for the movie.

There are albino actors out there, yes. Are they famous or known? No. Shot in the dark.

[ThatDamnNinja]

Let me quote that again for you, the proper way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albinism

Here's a useful link too.

Now, tell me, who do you think would portray a character like this better: a white guy or a black guy?


Albinism and race have nothing to do with each other. Tombstone is black. He is an African-American character. It doesn't matter that his skin color is closer to how Caucasians are naturally than how African-Americans are naturally. He is an African-American albino. You can use makeup and special effects to make a black actor albino. You can't have a white actor play a black character. Period. Not negotiable. You wouldn't have a white Storm, or a white Black Panther, or a white Luke Cage. You don't cast a white guy as Tombstone.


Certainly you're not thinking that they should get an actual albino actor? You know, because there's none?

I'd like to see your list of white albino actors who you have in mind for the role.

[JackIvyGB]

Dude. Here's the thing about albino people: Their skin is white.

Basically take a black person and paint their skin white. They still have a black person's features (ie larger nose, thicker lips, etc).

From a technical makeup standpoint, it wouldn't matter if a white or black person played him, because he's albino and he would have VERY WHITE skin. Not just like a white guy who stayed inside awhile. Actually near white paint color. So either way it would require makeup.

So yes, it would be better to use an actual black person and give them albino make-up (which a white person would require as well), since the character is an african american man with albino skin.

Also, I think some of you are thinking too hard about how the villains are going to work in this, and are also getting your rumors mixed up.

Last I checked, the prevailing rumor was Electro, Tombstone, and Black Cat.

-Tombstone buys/owns the Daily Bugle. Gets killed (most likely a mob hit).

-Black Cat is Tombstone's Daughter. Her Dad (T-stone) is killed. In her anger, she becomes Black Cat, probably goes out on her own and starts taking out Mobsters, crashing Mob dealings, just all around being a menace to the guys who killed her dad.

- Spidey encounters Cat. She likes Spidey. Doesn't mean that he ditches MJ again. He did that with Gwen because of the black suit. Hopefully he's got his head screwed on a little tighter now, and while he's intrigued by her, he's faithful to MJ. Cat struggles with her anger and her ties to the mob. Pete helps her with this relating the story of Uncle Ben and how it inspired him to become a hero.

-At some point, Electro comes out as the main villain. By the end of the film, Black Cat has been influenced by Pete enough to at least help take down Electro in the big final battle.

-Cat admits that some of Pete rubbed off on her, but it doesn't mean she's gonna be a good little girl. She still has a naughty side, but reigns it in a little more.

-Happily ever after.

It plays into the whole "Villain/character that makes Pete mature" angle as well, with Pete becoming a hero, fighting villains, and now kind of coming full circle, influencing someone else to become a hero in the wake of losing a loved one themselves. Electro may or may not be tied into the mob aspect of the story. He could be a mob hitman who ends up getting into some sort of crazy accident and becomes Electro, then turns around and takes out his bosses, assuming control of the organization. Black Cat attacks him, fails. Electro turns his attention toward taking over the city. Spidey and Cat team up for the big fight like I mentioned.

Or Electro might just be some random guy who becomes a villain. Who knows?

As far as Vulture, I thought he was ruled out by the same guy who was feeding us the info from IMDB that vulture may be in? He started out with a list that had a few villains on it (including vulture, electro, and tombstone among them) and said 2 of them were in, and then confirmed the 2 that were in were Electro and Tombstone.

I don't think Raimi would be silly enough to have Vulture, a main villain (and a classic one, which it seems he has an affinity for) fall to wayside in a role where his main gimmick is being another character's dad, and then get killed off early on. Tombstone is a little more acceptable in a role like that because he is a Mobster, which is a position where people are always offing each other, he's not as well known, and he wouldn't pose much of a physical threat anyway. Plus with his backstory with Robbie, him running the Bugle is a nice fit for some tension between them.


PS
Does anyone else see some similarities between this and a certain tidbit that was shown in "Batman: The Long Halloween"? About a mob boss' daughter becoming a cat themed vigilante?

[MikeFrost]

You can't have a white actor play a black character. Period. Not negotiable. You wouldn't have a white Storm, or a white Black Panther, or a white Luke Cage. You don't cast a white guy as Tombstone.

http://marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/1/19/Tmbstne.jpg/440px-Tmbstne.jpg

He IS a white character. Not black. All your characters who you used as an example are black characters in appearance. This guy is white. Very white.

There's no way you're able to do it with makeup. White tints well to a darker color. But a dark color doesn't tint well to white pale tones.

Even if it was possible to do it without it looking crappy, why would they even bother to do it in the first place if they can grab a white actor and save money in FX? It's not like the comics actually showed him to have black features. Guy looks like a friggin' vampire, not a black guy gone white.

I chose Kevin Bacon mainly because of the nose. The tilted up nose is a good reference for this character.


I'd like to see your list of white albino actors who you have in mind for the role.

You misread what I said? I implied there's none to play the part.

[Construct]

http://marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/1/19/Tmbstne.jpg/440px-Tmbstne.jpg

He IS a white character. Not black. All your characters who you used as an example are black characters in appearance. This guy is white. Very white.

There's no way you're able to do it with makeup. White tints well to a darker color. But a dark color doesn't tint well to white pale tones.

Even if it was possible to do it without it looking crappy, why would they even bother to do it in the first place if they can grab a white actor and save money in FX? It's not like the comics actually showed him to have black features. Guy looks like a friggin' vampire, not a black guy gone white.

I chose Kevin Bacon mainly because of the nose. The tilted up nose is a good reference for this character.

He's "white" in color, but "African American" in ethnicity. If Tombstone is ever involved in any film, his actor should be African American. There are albino people of sub-Saharan African descent; using makeup to visually represent that condition shouldn't be too daunting of a task (or maybe cast an albino African American actor).

[Catman]

God we got some varied opinions in this thread.

We have everything from Black Cat and Vulture as MAIN VILLIANS to someone suggesting SHOCKER and RHINO could hold their own movie !


SHOCKER and RHINO !!!! ???? !!!!!

Are you kidding me ?
http://www.nndb.com/people/650/000025575/samraimi04.jpg

Anyone could be a main villain with the right changes or additions.

[Hotwire]

On the Philly radio station 94.1 WYSP this morning, they said that it has been tentatively announced that Rachel McAdams wil play The Black Cat!
Take it for what you will. I am trying to find a link on their website, but no luck yet.

[The Joker]

If it's true, my enthusiasm for SM-4 has dramatically dropped.

I can't stand Black Cat.

[AnorexicBatman]

Black Cat is NOT a Villain. She's more like Superboy or War Machine
Except Peter can actually have sex with this particular ally.

So win-win for him. Plus it's Felicia Hardy who is smoking hot!

[Carlo Comicus]

Yawn...

[MrShifty]

Well if they were going to do black cat they have to do it now before the sequel to the TDK has the chance to do Catwoman. But I've always liked Black Cat so this is pretty cool news to me. At least we got a looker in Spider-Man, am I right?

[TheSlag]

If it's true, my enthusiasm for SM-4 has dramatically dropped.

I can't stand Black Cat.

Totally agree Doc!

This smacks of the same purpose that Gwen played in SM3 (in that case a waste of a good character and storyline), and that was simply sad at the time.

If Peter has not learned from that, and is "tempted" by Black Crappy *spit*, HOW IN THE HELL is this character development? Growing? Maturing?

I can hear the Raimi Apologists down the line, IT WAS NOT WHAT SAM WANTED.. it was "forced" on him. :rolleyes:

.....

IT IS TIME... for "New Blood". New Cast, New Director.. New Story (Reboot) to Breathe some new Life into this Franchise.

[TheSlag]

Yawn...

exSMACKly :up:

[Showtime]

:doh:

[Dark_Lord]

I think they're just reporting on the rumors, or they just thought that it was true.

[Episode29]

Check out an article I wrote up at It's Just Movies regarding the sinister possibilities...

http://itsjustmovies.com/4167

...Then chime in. Agree? Disagree? Go nuts, Spidey-fans!

[FilmNerdJamie]

:doh:

You're just jealous when people steal your thunder and outscoop you. When the official announcement comes this weekend, you'll just say "Oh lucky guess!" or "That's not real news!" or "Anyone could have guessed that!" or you'll probably just have this face like always. :whatever:

[GoldGoblin]

Sounds like they were going for a white actor cause they wanted Micky Rourke.

[GoldGoblin]

I can't believe Raimi's top choices are:
-Black Cat
-Kingpin,can't use him so Tombstone
-Kraven
^
Doesn't this tell you that we need a new director...

[Havok]

ugh I just wanted the Lizard!!!!:waa:

[SymbioticToxin]

ugh I just wanted the Lizard!!!!:waa:
*Pats back* We all did son, we all did.

[crimsonspider89]

I think if Raimi bombs this one, that this is a sign for the movie to be stopped and a reboot. He obviously has no connection to any Spidey fan.
SM3 showed this. He messed up Venom, the New Green Goblin.... I mean the Venom in that movie was a joke.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Kingsley is a great actor, and he definitely looks like the Vulture. Very true! He won the Academy award for his role as Ghandi.

[Showtime]

I'm so jealous right now. I wish I could have a failed website and create faux news reports. Damn.

[mre]

I can't believe Raimi's top choices are:
-Black Cat
-Kingpin,can't use him so Tombstone
-Kraven
^
Doesn't this tell you that we need a new director...

Are we sure they can't use Kingpin? Does Fox still own the writes to Daredevil? Last I heard Fox was rushing to make a new F4 movie, so that they would not lose the rights back to Marvel. Daredevil came out in 2003, F4 2 came out in 2007

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think they're just reporting on the rumors, or they just thought that it was true. That's exactly what I think.

[He-Man]

:doh:

Exactly :doh:

[FilmNerdJamie]

Plenty of times I've heard people on the radio reported a rumor as fact. It happens.

[He-Man]

Plenty of times I've heard people on the radio reported a rumor as fact. It happens.

True but it was reported on the SHH homepage a few days ago that she may be up for the role. So its not like this is breaking news or anything.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

If it's true, my enthusiasm for SM-4 has dramatically dropped.

I can't stand Black Cat.

Same here.

[VenomVsSpidey]

and in other news, I have been casted as Captain America in the avengers movie :o

[bubbadoom]

at least the main villain a DITKO villain!

[Spidermanfan]

if they loose the rights, that would sort of be a good thing...

[venom892]

I believe since Elektra was used the rights were extended.

[mothy]

if it's true, i've got no problems with it.

[mre]

How many villian/black cat threads do we need?

[mre]

I believe since Elektra was used the rights were extended.

Forgot about the Elektra movie. I guess that makes sense.

[bubbadoom]

SM4 will have a Ditko villain, so do not worry...

[Spider-Vader]

Black Cat in a film just by herself will suck.

[Spider-Fan]

Black Cat won't be the only villain, but I do agree if her purpose is to tempt, than she has no business in this film as Peter is not developing. Though Gwen I don't think tempted Peter so much as Peter used her cause MJ saw it that way, but we still covered the Peter and another girl ground. I think, while this is a rumor, it is one with merit. I think Black Cat at this point can be chalked up as in the movie. The only questionable part (in regard to the story) is if McAdams plays her to me. I think if she is up for it, it's probably hers to lose since she is gaining steam. But, I can also see her not ending up with it for a variety of reasons.

Plus, there is the possibility she is an ally, which would make this another crowded movie. Thus, I think that would be a mistake. Less is more, so please just have Peter and 2 villains. Not 2 villains and a buddy.

I'm more interested to see if Vulture is the other villain right now. That would validate that one story's plot outline for the film and we'd have somewhat of an idea of what to expect.

[FaT_tONle]

I say just let MJ/Pete break up at the end. It could set up the new trilogy nicely. Explore new relationships, love interests, etc. They can resurrect most of villains IMO and it could essentially be a sequel/reboot all in one.

[DACMAN]

This already has him as Mystero.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0948470/

[Spider-Fan]

The James Bond series has been getting away with it for over 40 years. I mean, seriously, some of these villains can't carry their own movie. I can't imagine 2 hours of Smythe and Spider-Slayers. Where exactly would you go with that?

Yes they have, but most James Bond movies now connect the beginning to the plot in someway. Casino Royale, Bond's first kill made him a 00 agent. Thus, not wasted. It also set the mood for Craig's Bond. Quantum of Solace, the beginning car chase directly led to an interrogation. These were not wasted moments, and this has been more the norm for Bond in recent years. Just having a villain to get crushed doesn't add anything but eye candy. It would have to connect with the plot in some capacity. Otherwise, we lost several minutes of character development, and that can be the difference between a well developed and under developed film.

Yeah, it would be such a waste to spend time showing that Spider-man actually does stuff instead of sitting around and waiting for the next big villain to threaten the entire city and Mary Jane.

We already know he does. By this point in the series, we've seen him be Spider-Man for various purposes and random crimes. But, the random crimes in SM1 and SM2 had PURPOSE to the main plot. They didn't put the violence in there just to have an action beat. The story was going somewhere. Now, look at SM3. That film needed more character moments and less action. Do you want to waste screentime and character development in a follow up to a film that was under developed? I'd rather they get back to emphasis on character myself. Let the film breathe. No pointless action just for kicks.

[Spider-Fan]

But, imdb also had Rosemary Harris as Carnage at one point. Not a credible source.

[Spider-Fan83]

what about him as hammer head

[Fresh Prince]

Was Ultimate Spiderman comics even good?...Also wasn't it in an alternative universe retelling Spiderman's orgins?

[Showtime]

Merged some threads together to help cut down on the clutter.

[mre]

Did anyone play the Spider-Man 2 video game? Black Cat was awesome in that game.

[GoldGoblin]

I bet BC will kidnap MJ...

[Spider-Fan83]

I bet BC will kidnap MJ...
that actually sounds kinda hot

[mre]

I bet Spider-Man will do the upside down kiss with BC. Or maybe they will change it up, and have BC upside down, and Spidey upright.

[VenomVsSpidey]

that actually sounds kinda hot

:awesome:

[Spider-Fan83]

He IS a white character. Not black. All your characters who you used as an example are black characters in appearance. This guy is white. Very white.

There's no way you're able to do it with makeup. White tints well to a darker color. But a dark color doesn't tint well to white pale tones.

Even if it was possible to do it without it looking crappy, why would they even bother to do it in the first place if they can grab a white actor and save money in FX? It's not like the comics actually showed him to have black features. Guy looks like a friggin' vampire, not a black guy gone white...
though, you do make some valid points

you did kinda lose me on this part (the lines in bold), cause, as you said, he is a very white looking character, beyond just looking like a white guy, or even albino for that matter, he is white, like grayscale, white...

so, anyone they cast in the role, white, black or whoever, would still need the make up, FX, treatment

just saying


but, with that said, I really don't care either way, infact I was going to suggest, Garret Dillahunt, myself
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3430/garrettdillahunttermina.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/garrettdillahunttermina.jpg/)

[Jostru]

though, you do make some valid points

you did kinda lose me on this part (the lines in bold), cause, as you said, he is a very white looking character, beyond just looking like a white guy, or even albino for that matter, he is white, like grayscale, white...

so, anyone they cast in the role, white, black or whoever, would still need the make up, FX, treatment

just saying


but, with that said, I really don't care either way, infact I was going to suggest, Garret Dillahunt, myself
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3430/garrettdillahunttermina.jpg (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/garrettdillahunttermina.jpg/)

That guy actually reminds me more of Morbius...

[mre]

Are they really going to be looking to save money in a movie like Spider-Man 4 though?
I mean... let's be honest here, they are going to throw as much money into this possible, and it will still make a huge profit.

[Rick Random]

Okay,

Mysterio - a genuine possibility.

Electro - the same.

Hobgoblin - no

Carnage - definetly not

Shocker - just a second-rate Electro

Vulture - missed his chance, his story was done with Venom

Chemeleon - possible

Kraven - possibly though seems somewhat unlikely

Rhino - doubt it

Morbius - possible but hard to see Sony mising in horror themes

Scorpion - visually too similar to Doctor Octopus but with only one apendage

Lizard - genuine contender although was passed over for Spidey 2

Raimi always says how the villain of the story connects to Peter's journey. SO going out on a limb, I predict the villain will be Mysterio and the theme will be Peter learning about trust.

[Jick09]

Shocker is not a second-rate Electro. He projects concentrated vibrational air blasts, not electricity.
And he can be even greater in a movie than Electro. Electric powers has been a lot explored into movies already.
Electro can present a new dynamic, but it won't be something new, either way.

[Venom'sDad]

Sam may go with more realistic villains that are easily explained or done, like a Shocker and the technology invovled(Shocker Gloves).

[Paroxysm]

or vulture because he flies!!!

[Sebastos]

I'd love to see Vulture.

[Heyparker]

I'd love to see Vulture.

Ditto. Especially with a top notch actor?? Gotta make that happen.

[Hobgoblin]

I would be happy seeing Electro, Mysterio, Kraven, Chameleon, Vulture or Lizard.
They seem the most interesting to me and could carry a movie. Of those, the best would be Mysterio, Chameleon, Vulture and Lizard.

[bubbadoom]

Well we are getting a Ditko villain, so I am sure some of you above will be happy...

[Carlo Comicus]

Okay,

Mysterio - a genuine possibility.

Electro - the same.

Hobgoblin - no

Carnage - definetly not

Shocker - just a second-rate Electro

Vulture - missed his chance, his story was done with Venom

Chemeleon - possible

Kraven - possibly though seems somewhat unlikely

Rhino - doubt it

Morbius - possible but hard to see Sony mising in horror themes

Scorpion - visually too similar to Doctor Octopus but with only one apendage

Lizard - genuine contender although was passed over for Spidey 2

Raimi always says how the villain of the story connects to Peter's journey. SO going out on a limb, I predict the villain will be Mysterio and the theme will be Peter learning about trust.

Where is Molten?
It's a great, tragic, drammatic characters and villain.
It's perfect for the Spider-Man franchise.

[Sebastos]

Ditto. Especially with a top notch actor?? Gotta make that happen.

David Strathairn (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000657/) would be my choice.

[crimsonspider89]

Raimi is casting a red headed little boy for some role. Maybe a flashback involving Cletus?

[Sebastos]

Please no.

[zeptron]

Raimi is casting a red headed little boy for some role. Maybe a flashback involving Cletus?

No..just no.

[mre]

Yeah besides, the role of Cletus is already been filled by Aunt May.

[crimsonspider89]

LOL, just saying. Maybe Max, was he a red head? Anyway, some of us want Cletus as the villain. I mean, he did have his own crossover saga with Iron Fist and Captain America.

[Sebastos]

True he did, but I don't want him in SM4.

[MikeFrost]

so, anyone they cast in the role, white, black or whoever, would still need the make up, FX, treatment

just saying

They would, yes, but it's alot more expensive to turn a black guy pale white than a white guy to pale white. It's alot easier if you're skin is already white. That's all I'm saying. And I'm not being racist either! :p It's just a matter of physical logistics.

Of course they have ****loads of money to spend in making a movie, but think about it: if you had a specific budget for a Spidey flick that you have to distribute in FX, would you spend it on the normal human villain or on the other villains that need that extra boost like, say, Lizard for example? I would save some bucks and get a white guy with a quick makeup job rather than invest in his looks. In the end, it's all about the performance really.

[Silver Knight]

I doubt we will hear anything before the new year.

[SymbioticToxin]

I doubt we will hear anything before the new year.
Filming starts in March, so we'll probably hear something in Febuary. Maybe late January too, who knows.

[Silver Knight]

I'm thinking late January.

[Spider-Fan83]

They would, yes, but it's alot more expensive to turn a black guy pale white than a white guy to pale white. It's alot easier if you're skin is already white.
what about someone like, Vin Diesel, who is part black, but, looks white
(not, saying him exactly, just using him as an example)

or I know, how about, Sammy Sosa lol

[SymbioticToxin]

what about someone like, Vin Diesel, who is part black, but, looks white
(not, saying him exactly, just using him as an example)

or I know, how about, Sammy Sosa lol
You had the abll, you were close to the finsih line. But you fumbled. lol

[GoldGoblin]

You have to have a villain that gives us great action fights,and Tombstone just doesn't do that.

[Venom 1988]

You have to have a villain that gives us great action fights,and Tombstone just doesn't do that.

Please disregard anything this man has to say...

[SymbioticToxin]

You have to have a villain that gives us great action fights,and Tombstone just doesn't do that.
Um...

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k122/ss2kid/fight0061-a.jpg

Take that in any context you please.

[GoldGoblin]

Freefalling fights are cool,but is that the only thing he can do,cause then he would only fight one time.

[Ace of Knaves]

Tombstone would bring something interesting to a Spidey film. The mob and a different level of crime other than super villains and bank robbers and purse snatchers.

But then that is why I don't think it would happen.

[HughJackFan420]

Tombstone would bring something interesting to a Spidey film. The mob and a different level of crime other than super villains and bank robbers and purse snatchers.

But then that is why I don't think it would happen.
i'm just afraid if they bring in weird looking mobsters in SM4 it'll basically be like that Dick Tracy movie which was seriously horrible. I mean you got Tombstone and Hammerhead nah i say stick with the classics Electro or Lizard.

[crimsonspider89]

If they bring in Tombstone, they just need to have him be a character manipulating things and have him try to take down Spidey with Electro but loses control with Black Cat making an appearance.

[Retroman]

Take this with a serious grain of salt but a member of the IGN Boards posted the following.:o

Posted: 11/16/2009 9:31:AM
I know a guy who's doing effect makeup for an unnamed actor, but he pretty much confirmed that it was the Rhino. Hopefully he's not the main villain, as that would be extremely weak.Source Link:http://boards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/b5296/186916651/p1/?5

[HughJackFan420]

yeah that would be horrible if it was The Rhino

[FilmNerdJamie]

"I'm the Rhino, *****!"

[Pac-Master]

Take this with a serious grain of salt but a member of the IGN Boards posted the following.:o

Source Link:http://boards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/b5296/186916651/p1/?5
I'm tired of all these "I know a guy" stuff. They just need to announce the villians already. :cmad:

They make for good reading, though.

[BenReilly]

I'm tired of all these "I know a guy" stuff. They just need to announce the villians already. :cmad:

They make for good reading, though.

Someone needs to interview Kirsten Dunst. She'll spill the beans and tell us who the villains are... :hehe: ;)

[Spider-Vader]

"I'm the Rhino, *****!"
Yeah, it doesn't work for Rhino. Only for.....DA JUGGANOT B****!!!!


Too bad Fox has to make DD, we could have Kingpin in the next one.

[zeptron]

I'm tired of all these "I know a guy" stuff. They just need to announce the villians already. :cmad:

They make for good reading, though.

Agreed. This is getting old.

[GoldGoblin]

Seems like Anne Hathaway will be playing a character named Valeria.Valeria could be Dr.Connors daughter so no Black Cat.And the villain Mickey Rourke was gonna play could be Kraven.

[bullets]

I would be happy seeing Electro, Mysterio, Kraven, Chameleon, Vulture or Lizard.
They seem the most interesting to me and could carry a movie. Of those, the best would be Mysterio, Chameleon, Vulture and Lizard.


The two top villains I want to see are Lizard and Electro. I also prefer the
classic villians.

In SM4 i'm hoping we get Lizard and Kraven . Although I see Kraven being a longshot. I want to see Bruce Campbell paly Quentin Beck , ftw. I think Mysterio could work as a side Villian , also the Black Cat . i also think we will get some sort of carnage cameo to set up the spinoff.

As for the rest I really think we should get a sinister six with Vulture (played by Ben kingsley ), Electro , Rhino , Scorpion , Shocker , and maybe Chamelon or Mysterio. I think they should film SM5 and SM6
together assuming Tobey will still be involved. I think behind the sinister six they could use a mob figure.

Is this Tobey's last Spider-man film?


Will we ever see Sandman again?

[Matt Mortem]

I would like to see the Rhino, but not as the main villian. Maybe as someone working with the main villian. I could see maybe the Vulture manipulating the Rhino into assisting him, but if they bog down the film with too many villians it'll just be SM3 all over again

[mre]

I'd like to see the Scorpion.

[rashad]

Rhino or any other minor villain would be pretty good for an opening action scene. It would definitely be something different for a Spidey film. Help jumpstart the film on a great note.

[Sentinel X]

Take this with a serious grain of salt but a member of the IGN Boards posted the following.:o

Source Link:http://boards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/b5296/186916651/p1/?5

I hope this is true. Rhino actually has potential to be really cool.

At least it is better than black cat :o

[HughJackFan420]

I hope this is true. Rhino actually has potential to be really cool.

At least it is better than black cat :o

let see a big huge idiot of a villain running thru walls chasing a superhero ....hmmmm....where have i seen that before.....oh yeah X-Men TLS ....Juggernaut maybe....no thanks bring on Electro and Lizard

[I_am_iron_man]

Valeria is the name of Vulture's daughter.

[DarthDaveBanner]

Valeria is the name of Vulture's daughter.

Aha now this makes much more sense.

This is more like it, Raimi!

[Oscorp]

Vulture? Oh well, let's hope Electro or Scorpion is the other villain then.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Take this with a serious grain of salt but a member of the IGN Boards posted the following.:o

Source Link:http://boards.ign.com/teh_vestibule/b5296/186916651/p1/?5 I doubting that's true.

[Spider-Fan83]

so, are we now thinking that the rumored, new editor of the Daily Bugles daughter, story, maybe, real. an this mystery “Viper” character is Toomes/Vulture ???
(sorry, for the spoiler, for anyone who did read tat article, should I black that part out?)

[Nightmare]

From Black Cat to Rhino To Vulture?

[DarthDaveBanner]

My odds are on Vulture. What are the odds that they'll be able to get Ben Kingsley back to play him?

[Kane52630]

i personally want to see Chameleon and Lizard
it should have Chameleon as the villain but have the Lizard be the main villian in the 3rd act. kinda like in Batman Begins

[Spider-Fan83]

I did have a Chameleon and Lizard story idea for 5
(well, actually it was more like Chameleon and Connors, taking place after the lizards story, at the time assuming lizard would be in 4)

[Rodrigo90]

A great combination...Walrus and Tombstone

[Spider-Fan]

I doubt Rhino is in it, and if he is, nothing more than a minor villain.

Vulture being a main I don't have a problem with, cause at least he can offer a dual threat with his mind, and not just have his winged suit be the threat.

Like I said in regard to Lizard in another thread, a lot of his story was given to Ock in SM2 (the family, accident gone bad, etc), so a lot of Lizard's upside as a villain has been done in SM2. Plus, he'd be another father figure turned evil (3 of 4 movies having one). I love the Lizard, and he is one of Spidey's best villains. But, I can see why they may opt to not use him.

[RachelDawes]

It would be a shame though if we saw Connors and his relationship developed with Peter over 3-4 movies and we never saw a payoff in the form of the Lizard. I'm assuming this is the last movie with the present cast and SM5 will be a total recast.

[Spider-Fan]

In SM2 we saw a lot of their relationship, but it is not like we saw Connors do anything in SM3 other than study the symbiote. He wasn't giving Peter life advice or anything, so let's not romanticize his role in SM3. We saw him be a mentor in SM2, sure, but we didn't see it expand in SM3 and we saw a lot of Connor's story in Ock.

[zeptron]

And it'll be another villain who's not really a villain and gets redeemed at the end. Every villain except for Venom showed some goodness in them.

[HughJackFan420]

ok changing my mind

i'm calling it....Vulture main villain....Lizard villain/hero....Black Cat ally

[Van Petrol]

Do we really want the film to be overcrowded again. I'd say one main villain and Black Cat as an ally would be fine.

[HughJackFan420]

Do we really want the film to be overcrowded again. I'd say one main villain and Black Cat as an ally would be fine.


yeah your kind of right but this time around we have someone who's a friend from the jump which is Dr. Connors/Lizard who can also play an ally but I'm not sure how this would all play out. I'd be happy with Vulture and Black Cat. but since everyone including myself who are dying to see Dr. Connors transform into the Lizard and with all the rumors that's why i was going with this possibility. i'm just hoping there is some indication in the movie like a Venom cameo or cliffhanger for the Venom spin-off. How dare they try to kill off Venom he's Spidey's ying to his yang. Batman & Joker Superman & Lex Luthor do i need to go on....

[TheVelvetOnion]

Larry david as the vulture

[HughJackFan420]

i think Ben Kingsley is a better choice i mean he's the perfect age and he's bald...helluva an actor too

[GoldGoblin]

So Vulture is in,but why does he have a daughter in the movie,more love triangle stuff.Does anyone know is she is evil in the comics?

[Spider-Vader]

Larry david as the vulture

That would be so epic. Instead of actual fighting, they could throw remarks at each other. Then at the end, it could show Vulture getting arrested & while the cop car drives away you hear the Curb theme playing. :woot:

[SymbioticToxin]

So Vulture is in,but why does he have a daughter in the movie,more love triangle stuff.Does anyone know is she is evil in the comics?
I don't think she was evil. And I don't think she'd be involved in a love triangle. They'd make him like Sandman alomst, trying to help his daughter somehow.

[I_am_iron_man]

So Vulture is in,but why does he have a daughter in the movie,more love triangle stuff.Does anyone know is she is evil in the comics?

In the comics, Valeria Toomes is a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent. She's change her name in Valerie Jessup.

She's not evil, but i'm sure (if the rumors are true) Raimi has changed the background of Valeria for the movie.

[I_am_iron_man]

Another thing. In the comics, when Toomes re-became young his hair seems half-red. Maybe that toddler boy in Spider-Man 4...Is a young Toomes? :whatever: