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GoldGoblin

11-19-2009, 06:44 PM

Seems like Toomes will take over Oscorp and get his tech suit from there.But will his daughter be like a minor villain,a female villain.They could make her the Shocker just by tech gauntlets and a costume that protects her from the energy blasts.

Or will Toomes daughter be the bridge that connects Vulture and Connors.She could be a Connors student who Peter is partnered up with and he goes to her house to study and meets her father Toomes.

mre

11-20-2009, 03:05 AM

She will be dying and the Vulture needs to do bad things to help save her.
Raimi loves sympathetic villains.
Has his daughter actually ever appeared in the comics? Didn't he have a relative in MKSM that he had to steal money for because she was sick?

Carlo Comicus

11-20-2009, 04:55 AM

Another thing. In the comics, when Toomes re-became young his hair seems half-red. Maybe that toddler boy in Spider-Man 4...Is a young Toomes? :whatever:

Non credo, quelle storie fanno abbastanza pena e sono state rimosse dalla continuity ufficiale.

Rodrigo90

11-20-2009, 06:03 AM

NO! NO MORE SYMPATHETIC VILLAINS. Im boycotting it, if so.

Mysterio. Psychopath with a twisted and sadistic imagination.
Tombstone. Evil crime boss.
Kraven. A hunter who doesnt give a damn about anything,but hunting and killing.
Chameleon. Ruthless and efficient assassin,who can assume any identity.

List goes on.

Im sick of the science gone wrong angle. Sandman and Venom were even sympathetic. ENOUGH! We want an evil to the core villain.

Oscorp

11-20-2009, 06:35 AM

yeah your kind of right but this time around we have someone who's a friend from the jump which is Dr. Connors/Lizard who can also play an ally but I'm not sure how this would all play out. I'd be happy with Vulture and Black Cat. but since everyone including myself who are dying to see Dr. Connors transform into the Lizard and with all the rumors that's why i was going with this possibility. i'm just hoping there is some indication in the movie like a Venom cameo or cliffhanger for the Venom spin-off. How dare they try to kill off Venom he's Spidey's ying to his yang. Batman & Joker Superman & Lex Luthor do i need to go on....

Green Goblin & Spider-Man, my friend...

zeptron

11-20-2009, 06:42 AM

Sentinel X

11-20-2009, 07:42 AM

let see a big huge idiot of a villain running thru walls chasing a superhero ....hmmmm....where have i seen that before.....oh yeah X-Men TLS ....Juggernaut maybe....no thanks bring on Electro and Lizard Its called writing a story....? If the writers are not creative enough to make some differences to his character and just make him a 1-dimmensional brute that runs through walls then of course its going to be stupid.

Lizard is repetitive. Not that he isn't a good villain but these movies have used enough of the "Im really a good guy at heart" villains...its time to take a fresh and new approach or why bother? :dry:

How was Venom sympathetic?

He was portrayed as a normal guy in the beginning of the film...then his career spirals down because emo "mean" peter causes him to lose his job. He gets bitter and eventually he gets this evil parasitic alien that bonds to him and now he wants revenge on Peter/Spider-man for ruining his life.

Its not as sympathetic as the previous Spidey villains but I dont know how anyone would say Venom was straight up evil...cause he wasn't

Ace of Knaves

11-20-2009, 07:46 AM

Yea I'm getting a bit sick of the sympathetic villains.

But going by what Raimi hinted at in the interview a while back, nothing has changed.

crimsonspider89

11-20-2009, 12:15 PM

Nearly all Marvel villains are sympathetic to some point. Majority of Spidey's are except Mysterio, Kraven, Green Goblin, Carnage, Shocker, Rhino and the Scorpion. Chameleon was neglected as a child, Ock was abused by his old man, Electro was forced to give up his dream by his mom, etc. I personally want the Lizard. He would be the most challenging of all the ones mentioned. Genius intellect, ten foot long tail that can smash you and can be swung at 70 MPH I believe, super strength(70 tons I believe), sharp fangs and claws, can crawl walls, can run up to 45 miles per hour, can jump just as high as Spidey, and has just as good as reaction as Spidey.

DarthDaveBanner

11-20-2009, 12:24 PM

Well in the original Spidey 3 draft I don't think Toomes was sympathetic, he was completely twisted and hell bent on revenge (yet another reason why he should have been included in the final film!)

Lets hope Raimi sticks with this characterisation if Vulture is indeed in 4.

TheVelvetOnion

11-20-2009, 02:34 PM

But the funny thing is, i've always felt that Vultures personallity in the spiderman comics has always mirrored that of Larry David from the Curb Your Enthusaim show... Hence why i always said he would be perfect as the vulture...

Picture this...

J.K.Simmons and Larry David, as Jamerson and Toomes at a charity ball... there sat on the same table. The waiter (Played by Bruce Campbell) attends the table for the bill and Toomes talks to Jamerson about how much he is going to tip... They get in an arguement when Jamerson offers a higher tip.

Lunar_Wolf

11-20-2009, 04:03 PM

Lizard and Kraven would be great. 4 could deal with your inner animal. Make the film animalistic. Heck, I would even like Spider-Man's to involve into the Man-Spider. It would give Kraven a reason to hunt Spider-Man because people would fear him. Connors and Parker could work together to stop themselves from mutating, but when they do mutate, they try to rip each other apart.

bullets

11-20-2009, 05:35 PM

And it'll be another villain who's not really a villain and gets redeemed at the end. Every villain except for Venom showed some goodness in them.

Norman Osbourne was deceitful to the end.

GoldGoblin

11-20-2009, 05:46 PM

I don't see Mickey Rourke playing the Vulture,so who did they have in mind for him to play when they tried to get him,he is like a brute.Unless Vulture is a mob boss who is the new owner of Oscorp and he creates his own muscle like Rhino who protects him and who he sends to attack his enemies.

bullets

11-20-2009, 06:03 PM

I would like to see the Rhino, but not as the main villian. Maybe as someone working with the main villian. I could see maybe the Vulture manipulating the Rhino into assisting him, but if they bog down the film with too many villians it'll just be SM3 all over again

I see what your saying but i think alot of the problems with SM3 weren' because there were too many villians. I think if they did sinister six we could get all the villains we would want but they would have to be underdeveloped unless it were to take place over the course of two films.
Also Rhino would have to play second fiddle because there is no way he could carry a film .

Carlo Comicus

11-20-2009, 06:15 PM

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/11/20/julia-stiles-debunks-comic-book-casting-rumor-but-not-the-one-you-think/

mre

11-21-2009, 03:05 AM

Rodrigo90

11-21-2009, 07:30 AM

Ben Kingsley as Vulture.

Dog Brother #1

11-21-2009, 10:59 AM

Hell yeah, Kingsley. Not since Professor X or Ultimate Nick Fury has a comic character been so easy to cast. If anybody else plays this role, the SM4 = Epic Fail.

Carlo Comicus

11-21-2009, 02:32 PM

Pete Postlethwaite. Great actor. But maybe it's too old.

DarthDaveBanner

11-21-2009, 02:34 PM

Kingsley or David Strathairn ftw.

Spider-ManHero12

11-21-2009, 02:35 PM

Ben Kingsley as Vulture. Still my #1 choice. :up:

zeptron

11-21-2009, 02:46 PM

Hell yeah, Kingsley. Not since Professor X or Ultimate Nick Fury has a comic character been so easy to cast. If anybody else plays this role, the SM4 = Epic Fail.

Agreed. If Vulture is in let's hope scheduling conflicts don't prevent him from doing the role.

Rodrigo90

11-21-2009, 02:51 PM

Ben was born to play the role of Vulture. He could pull the movie off on his own.

I hope Anne Hathaway doesnt play BC. But I wouldnt mind her a Valeria Toomes...I hope Valeria isnt BC!

Sebastos

11-21-2009, 06:15 PM

I doubt she would be BC.

FaT_tONle

11-21-2009, 06:39 PM

You still need a side villain with Vulture... hope it ain't Rhino.

zeptron

11-21-2009, 07:06 PM

If Black Cat and Vulture are in then that's two major new characters. Don't want the film getting too crowded by having another major character like Electro or Mysterio. A minor villain like Shocker would be fine. Toomes can easily supply him with his weapons.

Oscorp

11-22-2009, 06:09 AM

Vulture and Shocker would work nicely with Black Cat being something of an anti-hero. I can definitely see Black Cat and Shocker have some kind of "rivalry" and interaction for some reason! Kinda like in Spider-Man 2, the game.

Sebastos

11-22-2009, 04:06 PM

I can only see Shocker as a side villain to be honest.

SP1D3RxV3N0M

11-22-2009, 04:38 PM

Carlo Comicus

11-22-2009, 05:00 PM

Shocker is a loser.

Dark_Lord

11-22-2009, 05:25 PM

I can only see Shocker as a side villain to be honest.

It would be cool if the movie opened with Spider-Man fighting a villain and I think Shocker would be nice for this. No need to explain who he is (just have Spider-Man mention his name) or even show him again in the rest of the movie.

Sebastos

11-22-2009, 05:32 PM

It would be cool if the movie opened with Spider-Man fighting a villain and I think Shocker would be nice for this. No need to explain who he is (just have Spider-Man mention his name) or even show him again in the rest of the movie.

Totally agree. :up:

craigdbfan

11-22-2009, 05:40 PM

I like the sound of that too.

Venom'sDad

11-22-2009, 06:23 PM

Spider-Man Luvr28

11-23-2009, 11:35 PM

Tobey on SM4 villains:

http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/458826/tobey-on-spider-man-4-villains.jhtml

omid17

11-24-2009, 12:48 AM

Tobey on SM4 villains:

http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/458826/tobey-on-spider-man-4-villains.jhtmlnice thx

sounds like Lizard will be in SM4 but hey they can be playin with us

The Cat-Man

11-24-2009, 03:21 AM

nice thx

sounds like Lizard will be in SM4 but hey they can be playin with us
I hope they do not decide to play with the 59% who voted in this poll :cmad:

ThatDamnNinja

11-24-2009, 10:25 AM

He didn't look or sound at all like he thought it was going to be Lizard.

Oscorp

11-24-2009, 11:26 AM

He said Raimi prefers those villains who have a more personal connection to Peter Parker. As far as I see it, Lizard is the only one left who has that connection in the comics, looking at plausible villains. Though, I have a feeling Lizard won't be in this one...so I'm afraid Raimi will once again force that connection on another villain, like Vulture or Electro.

Rodrigo90

11-24-2009, 11:29 AM

I can see it. Vulture and Electro...Goodbye hopes for Mysterio.

crimsonspider89

11-24-2009, 11:30 AM

I take it we will never see Carnage as long as Sam is directing. Or as long as Tobey is acting. He rolled his eyes at the mention.

Oscorp

11-24-2009, 11:41 AM

I take it we will never see Carnage as long as Sam is directing. Or as long as Tobey is acting. He rolled his eyes at the mention.

Rightfully so! :whatever:

Venom 1988

11-24-2009, 11:45 AM

I take it we will never see Carnage as long as Sam is directing. Or as long as Tobey is acting. He rolled his eyes at the mention.

Good! I don't want to see Carnage!

Rodrigo90

11-24-2009, 11:50 AM

Maximum Carnage was a good storyline. But as we all know...Raimi expressed his hatred on Venom (the Symbiotes) by making him a Parrot squawking,tiny framed joke.

Jick09

11-24-2009, 12:03 PM

Raimi can't handle the symbiotes. I like Carnage too much to see him there.

And Raimi works better with the classic villains. It's better this way.

Rodrigo90

11-24-2009, 12:10 PM

Raimi can't handle the symbiotes. I like Carnage too much to see him there.

And Raimi works better with the classic villains. It's better this way.

:up:

Rodrigo90

11-24-2009, 12:16 PM

Raimi can't handle the symbiotes. I like Carnage too much to see him there.

And Raimi works better with the classic villains. It's better this way.

:up:

zeptron

11-24-2009, 12:43 PM

I take it we will never see Carnage as long as Sam is directing. Or as long as Tobey is acting. He rolled his eyes at the mention.

Coach Kretin from All That: "Heh heh heh heh heh heh...........good!"

Rodrigo90

11-24-2009, 01:14 PM

I want the interpretation of Electro from Spider-Man The New Animated Series.

HughJackFan420

11-24-2009, 01:23 PM

I want the interpretation of Electro from Spider-Man The New Animated Series.

i like the Ultimate Comics version Bald Headed but i don't know about the gay club outfit with the lightning bolt cutout for an opening. i mean we get it his powers involve electricity they can come up with a cooler design than that.

Miniduffa

11-24-2009, 01:24 PM

I'll be different and say Mysterio.

Rodrigo90

11-24-2009, 02:30 PM

But the thing I like most is his mirror effect. Electro was what Peter couldve become if it werent for Uncle Bens advice. Max Dylan (TNAS) is basically what Peter was back in high-school. He is a shy nerd who has zero luck with life and girls and is the target of bullying. It would be good to see Peter facing a version of himself if he let things get to him. Peter gets his powers and fights for good. Max gets his powers and kills his tormentor. Peter couldve done that with Flash. Electro is basically a reflection of what Peter wouldve become. Peter put aside his happiness with MJ for a while. Max becomes obsessed with Valeria Toomes and tries to turn her like him.

Oscorp

11-24-2009, 02:36 PM

Tbh, I'm pretty fed up of all those "What if (insert hero) would have gone bad?" stuff

Rodrigo90

11-24-2009, 02:42 PM

Tbh, I'm pretty fed up of all those "What if (insert hero) would have gone bad?" stuff

So am I,lol.

But I dont think Raimi will change that now.

I wish he would though.

SymbioticToxin

11-24-2009, 02:59 PM

Rodrigo90

11-24-2009, 03:11 PM

I don't really like this for the sheer fact that your taking it off TNAS, which was crap to be honest.

I thought it was good.

Just make him Connors assistant (like Spectacular Spider-Man) along with Peter and they are friends. He is a nice guy,just like Peter and has a crush on Valeria Toomes,like Peter with MJ. Also like Peter he is bullied. Instead of him becoming pure electricity,he appears normal. He begins killing off his bullies and Peter suspects its him. With NYC after him,he decides to become a criminal as revenge. Donning a costume and thus becoming Electro. He is the same as Peter,then becomes the complete opposite.
Max and his result as Electro, is essentially what Peter might have become.

SymbioticToxin

11-24-2009, 03:23 PM

I thought it was good.

Just make him Connors assistant (like Spectacular Spider-Man) along with Peter and they are friends. He is a nice guy,just like Peter and has a crush on Valeria Toomes,like Peter with MJ. Also like Peter he is bullied. Instead of him becoming pure electricity,he appears normal. He begins killing off his bullies and Peter suspects its him. With NYC after him,he decides to become a criminal as revenge. Donning a costume and thus becoming Electro. He is the same as Peter,then becomes the complete opposite.
Max and his result as Electro, is essentially what Peter might have become.
I like this a little better, but I don;t think he and Peter should be frineds. Maybe aquintences, or just partners. He's jealous that Peter, who is like him, has the hot girl and the smarts while he has no one and barely gets by intellect-wise.

VenomVsSpidey

11-24-2009, 03:32 PM

But the thing I like most is his mirror effect. Electro was what Peter couldve become if it werent for Uncle Bens advice.

See : Venom and Or/ Spider-Man 3. :woot:

HughJackFan420

11-24-2009, 05:00 PM

yep i agree the perfect mirror effect is Venom/Spidey

craigdbfan

11-24-2009, 05:07 PM

Well the point is that the theme/concept was already tackled (horribly may I add) by Raimi in SM3.

They should try something fresh in SM4 that will wash away the sour taste the previous film left.

HughJackFan420

11-24-2009, 05:14 PM

yeah i don't know how fresh Lizard is going to be. i mean we had a friend turned foe already in the series. we need a villain who has no previous tie in with Peter. I think that's why I liked about Spider-Man 2 the most. Doc Ock was just a friend of Peter's teacher Dr. Connors. but they did kinda buddy buddy up a little before he became Doc Ock. and then the same lame crap in Spidey 3 happened in Spidey 2. The villain has a change of heart and saves the day or no longer considers Spidey a foe. big mistakes in superhero movies. Never kill the villain unless absolutely necessary and never have a change of heart...always remain evil. One of the qualities of the Green Goblin. the serum drove him into the point of insanity and was evil to the very end. but shouldn't have died though.

Spider-Vader

11-24-2009, 05:15 PM

If they have Electro, I hope his costume is similar to his MUA2 costume. It's the most realistic version that's similar to the classic one IMO.

HughJackFan420

11-24-2009, 05:29 PM

If they have Electro, I hope his costume is similar to his MUA2 costume. It's the most realistic version that's similar to the classic one IMO.

i agree somewhat but still I think the Dr. Manhattan look would be better. not as buff, not as naked, with electric steams around him. kind of like Raiden from Mortal Kombat. and to give a twist of darkness his skin should show of charred or burn damages. maybe the should cast Seal as Electro...lol that's messed up huh?

Rodrigo90

11-24-2009, 05:32 PM

Brock is what Peter would be like if he was born a jerk,lol. In 3 anyway. But Max should be the exact same as Peter as he was in high-school.

As HughJackFan said and I agree. Peter and Max shouldnt be friends per say. Max should act like a friend to him,as he has nobody and relates to Peter. But still harbours jealously at how Peter has a good job, a girlfriend and moved up in the world. Where he is still stuck in the past,nerdy and still being bullied. One night while working the lab,the bullies he finally reported (thanks to Peters advice) corner him and several chemicals spill onto him. Max flees onto the roof and attempts to climb up antenna where the lighting strikes him. His tormenters leave him,fleeing cause they think he is dead. Alive. Several days later, Max then secretly uses the powers he has gained to kill his bullies. When Peter confronts him,a battle ensues and he is wanted by the ploice. Max decides to reap revenge on Peter and NY. He dons an outfit and becomes the villain Electro.

crimsonspider89

11-24-2009, 05:43 PM

People want a no related villain who does not change his heart. Carnage would be perfect and would give us the moral dilemma of him not having a conscience at all unlike all the other villains.

Rodrigo90

11-24-2009, 05:57 PM

Kraven is just as evil. He has no morals or conscience,just his drive to hunt and kill. No society rules apply to his law of jungle code.

Mysterio. Psychopath with a vivid imagination. Mentally tortures Spidey.

Venom 1988

11-24-2009, 06:43 PM

Maximum Carnage was a good storyline.
:dry:
i like the Ultimate Comics version Bald Headed but i don't know about the gay club outfit with the lightning bolt cutout for an opening.
:huh:
k...

Sebastos

11-24-2009, 06:46 PM

Tobey on SM4 villains:

http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/458826/tobey-on-spider-man-4-villains.jhtml

Awesome.

craigdbfan

11-24-2009, 06:53 PM

Is it just me or does Tobey Maguire seem younger or at least like he hasn't really aged much at all.

Sebastos

11-24-2009, 07:21 PM

Nope, you're not alone.

Rodrigo90

11-24-2009, 07:26 PM

He looks better now than what he did in 2007. Lets hope he maintains this image.

Spider-ManHero12

11-24-2009, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Spider-Man Luvr28 http://www.superherohype.com/drakon/skins/shhclassic/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17757824#post17757824)
Tobey on SM4 villains:

http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/458...villains.jhtml (http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/458826/tobey-on-spider-man-4-villains.jhtml)
awesome! Btw, Tobey looks awesome for his age, if you aks me. Though, 34 really isn't old. :up:

FaT_tONle

11-24-2009, 08:25 PM

craigdbfan

11-24-2009, 08:31 PM

Nope, you're not alone.

He looks better now than what he did in 2007. Lets hope he maintains this image.

awesome! Btw, Tobey looks awesome for his age, if you aks me. Though, 34 really isn't old. :up:

Cool good to know others think so too.

While he isn't buff right now he certainly isn't chubby anymore. He lost some of that baby fat he had in SM3.

Lean works for him.

Spider-Fan

11-24-2009, 08:51 PM

Tobey on SM4 villains:

http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/458826/tobey-on-spider-man-4-villains.jhtml

He did a great job of dodging the question, lol. Basically, this would rule out Carnage. Not much else seemed firm.

mre

11-24-2009, 11:56 PM

He also said that "Lizard has a close relationship to Peter so we will often go towards that kida stuff..."

HughJackFan420

11-25-2009, 10:01 AM

man i hope they do bring on the Lizard. makes most sense. not so much character development that would need to take place. i mean he's a college professor and Peter's mentor. Now we get to see kinda the mad scientist at work developing a serum to regenerate lost limbs which in result turns him into the Lizard. i'm actually really excited about this next installment. i wasn't so much with Spidey 3 before it came out b/c i already knew Venom was gonna die. booooo hollywood booooo

Rodrigo90

11-25-2009, 10:26 AM

Electro was raised by an abusive father and an over protective mother.
Peter was raised by his loving and caring Aunt and Uncle after his parents deaths.
Peter was bullied and tortured in high school for being weak and a nerd.
Max is still being bullied in university for those reasons as well.

I like the similarities between Peter and Max. How they are so much the same and yet very different by the end of it. You feel sorry for him at the start but you dont anymore after his evil actions. He is not under the influence of anything like past villains,its his choice to be the bad guy.

Norman- Under serum and Goblin influence.
Ock- Under the the mechanical arms influence.
Sandman- Under the strong notion of committing crimes to get money for his daughter.
Brock- Under the influence of the symbiote.

Electro- Simply wanting to use his powers to kill the ones who made his life a misery. He then blames Peter for convincing him to get his bullies reported,resulting with his accident at their hand and their murders.

mre

11-25-2009, 02:41 PM

Are you thinking cartoon electro, or comics electro?

Rodrigo90

11-25-2009, 03:03 PM

Are you thinking cartoon electro, or comics electro?

A mixture of different Electro interpretations.

The basis of the New Animated Series style. A bullied nerd and after getting the bullies kicked out they attack him,which results in accident.
He has the job of a lab assistant to Dr Connors like Spectacular Spider-Man series. I think he had chemicals spilled on him and Eels turned him like that? (The bullies terrorise him in Connors lab,like the fashion of Sam's Darkman. The style of Liam Neeson being attacked in his lab). Max covered in chemicals flees to the roof and climbs up the antenna ontop the university, where it is struck by lighting.
The original comics,having a troubled time with his parents.
His costume would be 70% Ultimate inspired and 30% Classic.
A homage to the Ultimate comics,where he is bald after the accident burns his hair completely off.
He then transforms into a similar style of the blue energy figure in the end,also like TNAS.

Venom'sDad

11-25-2009, 06:03 PM

Tobey on SM4 villains:

http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/458826/tobey-on-spider-man-4-villains.jhtml

Interesting... he said he like those villains(referring to Lizard & Mysterio) and that they(Sam & Co.) tend to like those "personal relationship" with the villains story, which we all know.

Sounds like they're leaning towards Lizard to me... he's batting 3 for 3 in that quick interview. Lead in the fans poll, one of the villains Tobey like, and the personal touch. ;)

:liz:

Spider-ManHero12

11-25-2009, 06:12 PM

He also said that "Lizard has a close relationship to Peter so we will often go towards that kida stuff..." Which, if you ask me, is a possible hint. I mean, it may not mean Lizard is in it, but hey, it sure seems like it.

Spider-Vader

11-25-2009, 07:49 PM

As long as Kraven is in with Lizard, I'm happy.

omid17

11-25-2009, 09:11 PM

Which, if you ask me, is a possible hint. I mean, it may not mean Lizard is in it, but hey, it sure seems like it.yup

Sebastos

11-25-2009, 09:13 PM

I'd be ok with Kraven not being involved.

SpideyFan914

11-27-2009, 11:21 AM

I want Lizard.
With or without Kraven, I don't care. Just give me Lizard!!

mre

11-27-2009, 04:15 PM

Yeah. Honestly we are wayyyy overdue for a Lizard story. What are they waiting for?

jerky123

11-27-2009, 07:17 PM

To me, it looks as though Lizard and Vulture will be the villians, while Black Cat is sort of the Anti-Hero who helps Spidy in the end.

Well, it sounds better than the last one, thats for sure.

Sebastos

11-27-2009, 07:23 PM

I'd be happy with both Lizard and Vulture. Have Shocker for a little cameo at the start of SM4 and that'd be fine.

Rodrigo90

11-27-2009, 07:30 PM

Lizard will be BORING!

What kind of chemistry would you get between him and Spidey ?

Doc?

RAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

DR Connors

RAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

Sebastos

11-27-2009, 07:32 PM

:dry:

Venom'sDad

11-27-2009, 07:49 PM

Lizard will be BORING!

What kind of chemistry would you get between him and Spidey ?

Doc?

RAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

DR Connors

RAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

:lmao:

mre

11-27-2009, 08:59 PM

Lizard will be BORING!

What kind of chemistry would you get between him and Spidey ?

Doc?

RAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

DR Connors

RAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

I haven't read that many boring Lizard stories. Maybe you could bring me up to speed?

The Joker

11-27-2009, 09:05 PM

Lizard will be BORING!

What kind of chemistry would you get between him and Spidey ?

Doc?

RAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

DR Connors

RAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

LOL! :awesome:

If they do choose to have The Lizard be more primal, there won't be much dialogue coming from him. But Lizard has talked in the comics, too. Especially during Stan Lee's era, which is Raimi's favorite.

MikeFrost

11-28-2009, 07:09 AM

Take it with a pinch of salt but apparently Wikipedia is crediting Crispin Glover as Electro on Spiderman 4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispin_Glover

Same deal as Clive Owen I guess.

Rodrigo90

11-28-2009, 08:02 AM

Im not saying Lizard is a bad character.

But I just dont fancy watching a 2 hour movie where the only villain is capable of roaring and clawing. I want a charasmatic villain. Now Kraven AND Lizard yes. That would add entertaining drama. But what can drama you get from only the Lizard?

Connors becomes Lizard
Spidey battles the beast as it terrorises NY.
He kidnaps MJ on intent to eat her or make his Lizard queen.
Lizard dies by his own hand...AGAIN as other villains do.
End.

Crispin as Electro. I like it. But I was hoping Electro would be based on TNAS version...Oh well.

Spider-ManHero12

11-28-2009, 08:56 AM

Lizard will be BORING!

What kind of chemistry would you get between him and Spidey ?

Doc?

RAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

DR Connors

RAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH :doh:

SymbioticToxin

11-28-2009, 09:51 AM

Take it with a pinch of salt but apparently Wikipedia is crediting Crispin Glover as Electro on Spiderman 4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispin_Glover

Same deal as Clive Owen I guess.
Glover. I can kinda see it. I highly doubt it, but I wouldn't be too unhappy if he was in it.

SpeterMan3

11-28-2009, 12:35 PM

Not a big deal, just interesting I guess.

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/11/24/tobey-maguire-reveals-which-villain-he-favors-for-spider-man-4/
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/11/25/tobey-maguire-addresses-spider-man-4-black-cat-rumors/

Spider-ManHero12

11-28-2009, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by MikeFrost http://www.superherohype.com/drakon/skins/shhclassic/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17770354#post17770354)
Take it with a pinch of salt but apparently Wikipedia is crediting Crispin Glover as Electro on Spiderman 4http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17770869#).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispin_Glover (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispin_Glover)

Same deal as Clive Owenhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17770869#) I guess.
Highly doubt it's true, but I guess he could be ELectro. Not my #1 choice, but still.

SpideyFan914

11-28-2009, 01:04 PM

Considering the fact that they don't even have the right release date on Spidey 4.... I'd say it's a load of -....

omid17

11-28-2009, 02:09 PM

it's wikipedia :down

omid17

11-28-2009, 02:20 PM

Not a big deal, just interesting I guess.

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/11/24/tobey-maguire-reveals-which-villain-he-favors-for-spider-man-4/
sounds like one of em will be BC imo

ThatDamnNinja

11-28-2009, 05:29 PM

I'm putting my money on Vulture and Electro.

-Raimi expressed interest directly in those two guys in particular.

-The various strands of news seem to make a stronger case for Vulture than Black Cat (villain buys Daily Bugle, said villain has daughter that many actresses are auditioning for, definitely sounds more like Vulture-Valeria than Black Cat-"Villain Artificially Forced to be Her Father")

-They wanted to use Vulture in the last movie, and already pegged Ben Kingsley for the role. They may very well want to make up for that now.

-They said they were casting a male villain role. If Ben Kingsley is already pegged as Vulture, and they still need to cast the other one, that makes sense.

-The special effects dynamics make sense as something they would do. Vulture as the aerial villain, Electro as the super-powered, eye-candy villain.

-The character dynamics between the two would be great. Vulture as the intelligent, urbane, villainous mastermind--Electro as the simpler-minded, neurotic, unstable protegé... one who realizes how much more powerful he is than his master, and turns on him.

-Shoving Black Cat in there seems like a bad idea after Spider-Man 3. She's basically half a villain, so Black Cat and two villains is 2.5 villains (a repeat of Spider-Man 3), and Black Cat and one villain is 1.5 villains--which is unsatisfactory, especially if the other villain is the Vulture. The Vulture by himself would be pretty lame. 1.5 villains might have worked if the main antagonist was Doc Ock, but not with any of the guys we have left. Two solid villains seems like the best way to atone for Spider-Man 3.

So, predicting, and hoping for, Electro/Vulture, with all of these actresses auditioning for Valeria, not Black Cat.

Rodrigo90

11-28-2009, 05:51 PM

Can anybody shed some light on "this"?

mehlhart.net

bullets

11-28-2009, 06:54 PM

Nothing to really shed light on with that.

Spider-Vader

11-28-2009, 07:43 PM

I wouldn't mind Vulture as long as he's like 'Web of Shadows' with a more Arch-Angel design & weapons.

venom892

11-28-2009, 08:26 PM

Sebastos

11-28-2009, 08:27 PM

Oscorp

11-29-2009, 06:30 AM

Lizard will be BORING!

What kind of chemistry would you get between him and Spidey ?

Doc?

RAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

DR Connors

RAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

Hahahaha!

Please, learn some about Lizard before you say stuff like that :doh:

Rodrigo90

11-29-2009, 10:21 AM

Venom'sDad

11-29-2009, 10:56 AM

If its got a good plot,instead of Spidey chasing down a mindless beast for 2 hours,then yeah. If Lizard has a good motive,instead of canniblism,then yeah. If Lizard is capable of thought and speech,then yeah.

If not...I aint interested. Cause even though Spidey 3 had major flaws,it still had villains that provided charisma and drama. Spidey could actually SPEAK with them. If Lizard has speech,then itll work for me.

But Electro and Vulture will be far better than anything that Lizard can throw.
Don't hold your breath, what motive could Lizard have? He's not ploting to dominate the world, or turn the world population into servants or a race of Reptilians. All he will be is a beast that Spidey chases; and, that is why Sam needs a supporting villain to offset what Lizard bring to the table. Carnage (http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17012044&postcount=25), IMHO, fills that role.

zeptron

11-29-2009, 12:32 PM

Lizard and Carnage in the same movie? No. They're both beast-like characters. I want a more complex story than just "Oh no Carnage is on the run! Oh no Lizard is on the run!"

If you use Lizard I say bring in Electro also. A New York City blackout (caused by Electro) could make The Lizard even that much more scary. Shoot some of the scenes in the winter, and there's your reason for The Lizard to move underground to a warmer climate.

Venom'sDad

11-29-2009, 12:43 PM

You are missing the point... if you read the link that I provided, you would see that Carnage was a mystery until he was revealed. No one knew that Carnage perpetrated the hideous crimes til the end. Lizard was blamed for the fear that ran ramppart in New York... which imo, makes it's more intriguing and thrilling; something I think the franchise has been lacking.

Venom 1988

11-29-2009, 01:26 PM

Still don't like the idea...

Rodrigo90

11-30-2009, 07:56 AM

We probably wont be seeing the Ultimate comics interpretations being used now. Eddie was used like that to make him like Peter in 3.

Just good ol classic interpretations...with a little bit of twist of MAKING EVIL BADGUYS BE SYMPATHETIC CRAZIES.

I want Lizard to be able to speak and make a conscience decision to be evil.
I dont want Electros powers telling him to be a criminal.
I want to see the remorseless and cruel Kraven,not his potions that drive him insane.
I want a criminal who is coldblooded and doesnt have a sympathetic reason to use as an excuse to be a criminal.

I want a symbiote who will not appear in the Spidey movies,but the Venom movie.

Oscorp

11-30-2009, 09:16 AM

MikeFrost

11-30-2009, 12:47 PM

SymbioticToxin

11-30-2009, 02:32 PM

Why are people still insisting on Carnage?
Raimi said numerous time that he hates the symbiotes. He won't do the same thing again. Avi Arad shoved Venom under Raimi's skin, if he hated them then, he certainly will hate the symbiotes even more now.

Vulture and Electro are kinda fine for me if you keep Black Cat out. If they are to at least hint at Lizard in this movie we already have 2.5 villains without her..
Symbiote-wise I agree with you. Carnage really doesn't belong in Raimi's vision. In another time and place, had Raimi time to let the symbiotes gorw on him and maybe think of a way he could incorporate them in his way then maybe. But now I don't want anymore symbiotes till the Venom spinoff.

Also, Black Cat could be excellent along with Vulture and Electro. Like alot of othrs have said, make her a friend or maybe jsut make her a thief who just happens to bea t the wrong place at the wrong time and helps out Spidey. I also like the hinting at Lizard idea, that could easily set up SM5.

Sawyer

11-30-2009, 06:19 PM

Larry David should play the Vulture. :o

Rodrigo90

11-30-2009, 06:32 PM

Sir Ben Kingsley FTW

Dame Helen Mirren as Madame Web

Sebastos

11-30-2009, 07:12 PM

Larry David should play the Vulture. :o

While I think Larry David is great, no. :o

Doc Ock

12-05-2009, 08:41 PM

I really hope to see The Lizard as he is my favorite Spidey villain!

Artistsean

12-06-2009, 02:43 AM

Lizard will be BORING!

What kind of chemistry would you get between him and Spidey ?

Doc?

RAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH

DR Connors

RAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH

The Lizard can usually talk, the idea in his first appearance is that he is slowly loosing his intelligence and Spider-Man needs to save him before he has lost it completely.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/303785-167822-lizard.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/94357-171600-lizard.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/94356-196545-lizard.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/94361-51639-lizard.jpg

bullets

12-06-2009, 02:55 AM

Take it with a pinch of salt but apparently Wikipedia is crediting Crispin Glover as Electro on Spiderman 4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispin_Glover

Same deal as Clive Owen I guess.

I like Crispin Glover so I wouldn't mind that but the source has no validity.

Jostru

12-06-2009, 06:07 AM

Larry David should play the Vulture. :o

If it comes to Vulture casting, then Ben Kingsley is my number 1 choice. I can't see anyone else portray Toomes beside him TBH... And everytime I see Larry David, he gives me a Tinkerer feel. :p

Rodrigo90

12-06-2009, 11:12 AM

What kind of cool stuff would you get from the Lizard?

Spider-Man chasing round an 8 foot rampaging lab-coated Velociraptor in the sewers for 2 hours? Ive seen this sort of dilemma with Ock. Lizard just doesnt have that much interesting qualities or serious threat to hold by himself for a two hour movie. Especially when the only danger from him is cannabilisim. Just not interesting to me. However,if Kraven was the real villain,then great.

Vulture you would get stunning ariel battles.

Electro. Amazing electricity action.

Mysterio. hallucinations and killer robots.

terry78

12-06-2009, 11:19 AM

Lizard hates humanity. He hates anything warm blooded, basically.

crimsonspider89

12-06-2009, 11:23 AM

Umm. Lizard is faster, stronger, can climb walls, hates mankind(which means he aggressively try to kill them), has razor sharp claws and teeth and has his huge tail which he can swing at amazing speeds causing massive damage and massive regeneration.

Vulture- Guy who can fly. Big whoop ah do. Not really that interesting for a movie. Old man flying- even worse. Sorry, no amazing battles there. Spidey catches him and beats him up. Like he does in the comics.
Electro-Yes. Interesting. Would like to see him in one.
Mysterio- Blindfold and depends on Spidey Sense, hallucinations out of the way. Killer robots, big deal. They are just stage props and easily disabled with a grab. Freakin Stage props not real robots.

Rodrigo90

12-06-2009, 11:31 AM

Ah! but they are capable of causing serious danger.

Forgive me if I seem harsh about the Lizard. Its just cause I really care about Spidey getting back to the top of his game. The last was a real knock and I seriously want this movie to completely eradicate the negativity of SM3. I want a villain who will bring good entertainment to people.

crimsonspider89

12-06-2009, 12:06 PM

I do too and that is why I want the Lizard. I would be fine with Electro. Mysterio would be fine as more of a 2nd villain and same for Vulture.

My villain list for primary is Electro, Lizard,Scorpion and Carnage but Carnage is not gonna happen. I hope then that one movie has Rhino and Shocker working for Tombstone. No mob ties mentioned yet.

Secondary villains I would be fine with Vulture, Mysterio, Chameleon, Kraven and whoever else. I would be fine with Kraven being a primary.

I think Vulture/Mysterio as the primary will be horrible and mainstreamers will hate it. Comic fans may like it but I think it will be a flop.

Spider-Vader

12-06-2009, 01:11 PM

I want Rhino in the DP movie.

My top choices for villain are Lizard, Kraven, Scorpion, Mysetrio or Electro.

Oscorp

12-06-2009, 04:04 PM

Jick09

12-06-2009, 05:12 PM

Vulture- Guy who can fly. Big whoop ah do. Not really that interesting for a movie. Old man flying- even worse. Sorry, no amazing battles there. Spidey catches him and beats him up. Like he does in the comics.
You're selling him short. Vulture gave quite some trouble in his earlier appearences (don't know others, since I never followed his stories). He can be one serious deadly foe. Given his genius level intellect, he can construct small robots or even bombs to help him and make his job even easier. And he doesn't simply fly, he can use his wings to attack and throw his razor-sharped feathers. Plus, the aerial battles against him could be spectacular if done right.
Vulture is not one of my choices to debut in a movie, but I wouldn't be much concerned if he was.

Venom 1988

12-06-2009, 05:20 PM

If it comes to Vulture casting, then Ben Kingsley is my number 1 choice. I can't see anyone else portray Toomes beside him TBH... And everytime I see Larry David, he gives me a Tinkerer feel. :p

While Ben Kingsly is my number 1 choice for Vulture as well, my runner up choice would be Pete Postlethwaite
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000592/

Spider-ManHero12

12-06-2009, 05:38 PM

While I think Larry David is great, no. :o Agreed. I honestly can't see anybody else playing him besides Ben kingsley. I'm sure there's someone, but right now, Ben is my #1 choice.

The Jester

12-06-2009, 10:23 PM

I think Vulture/Mysterio as the primary will be horrible and mainstreamers will hate it. Comic fans may like it but I think it will be a flop.

I don't think any spider-man film, especially with the current crew, could flop. I guarantee it would make just as much money, if not more, as the previous three if Vulture and Mysterio were the villains.

crimsonspider89

12-06-2009, 10:27 PM

No, most people would make fun of it. I could see the reviews from critics and fans as well. You think SM3 was bad with reviews??? This would be worse. Everybody would make fun of both of them.

Reikowolf

12-07-2009, 04:20 PM

It's funny to see the symbiote support fall from what it was pre-SM3

SymbioticToxin

12-07-2009, 04:38 PM

^ I know, right? Beofre evryone was jsut beginning for some symbiosis. Now...

Reikowolf

12-07-2009, 04:47 PM

^ I know, right? Beofre evryone was jsut beginning for some symbiosis. Now...

not this guy.

crimsonspider89

12-07-2009, 04:49 PM

IMO, I still want Carnage but know Raimi will screw it up. Well, there is the Venom spinoff.

SymbioticToxin

12-07-2009, 04:49 PM

Same here

Reikowolf

12-07-2009, 04:52 PM

it's simple economics, as i've outlined before:

the symbiotes you want would require a film that is rated R

in making a spidey movie rated R, Sony will eliminate 50-75% of their audience, which will result in less profit.

Everyone wanted Venom anyway, so he was retooled to fit a pg13 movie.

crimsonspider89

12-07-2009, 04:57 PM

They did not do him correctly though. They need somebody who actually fits his bodybuild. Bulky, fit and tall. The writing was horrible. Carnage could be done as PG13 just do a quick change or shadow like they did with Doc Ock.

Rodrigo90

12-07-2009, 04:59 PM

Matthew Lillard would be awesome as Carnage.

Reikowolf

12-07-2009, 05:05 PM

haha, I dropped Matthew Lillard a while ago. yea he would

but I honestly don't feel the characters carry enough history/weight to stand on their own.

Carnage was killed by the Sentry in the comics and Venom is now Mac Gargan.

It seems Marvel is tired of symbiotes too, you can only write so much on the subject.

crimsonspider89

12-07-2009, 05:17 PM

They did that to change Venom into a pure villain and Carnage was rumored to be returning in an mini series.

mre

12-07-2009, 06:50 PM

I think they should never ever do Carnage.
And they should have saved Venom for a long long time.

crimsonspider89

12-07-2009, 07:46 PM

You may not like him but he did have his own arc for a bit. I would not mind Vulture if he was not the primary but Carnage has enough abilities to be the primary.

mre

12-08-2009, 02:01 AM

spider-neil

12-08-2009, 02:33 AM

after watching the disgrace that was venow, how anyone could want to see carnage especially a carnage drected by raimi is beyond me.

Carlo Comicus

12-08-2009, 08:58 AM

http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/12/08/john-malkovich-to-play-the-villain-vulture-in-spider-man-4/

venom892

12-08-2009, 09:10 AM

Jesus Christ that rumor kinda makes it seem like the plot summary from another thread could be true.I mean Vuturess?Really?If that comes to fruitation then the Spider-man franchise has turned into Batman from the 1990s.

Carlo Comicus

12-08-2009, 09:16 AM

I hope it's no true.

venom892

12-08-2009, 09:28 AM

If it is they can forget about asses in seats.I think the Vulture could be an interesting Villian with cool fight scenes but not with this approach.Not to mention all the Black Cat fans that would feel cheated.

Rodrigo90

12-08-2009, 09:48 AM

OMG! I wanted Malkovich as the Ventriloquist in Batman.

Sir Ben Kingsley is the rightful person for the role of the Vulture.

Vulturess? Dear God...

FaT_tONle

12-08-2009, 09:59 AM

I am sorry but as much as I like Kingsley, Malcovich blows him out of the water as Vulture. Hathaway is a great addition as well. Figured she'd be playing some variation of Black Cat. It better not be some father daughter tag team though. She'd be Valeria Toomes if that were the case no? Something doesn't add up but other than that I dig it.

DarthDaveBanner

12-08-2009, 10:04 AM

Malkovich would be solid casting, however something doesn't ring true about this seeing as he turned down an offer to play Norman Osborn.

Reikowolf

12-08-2009, 10:04 AM

an aerial fight scene would be pretty awesome to watch but... vulturess.... really?

I am not going to assume anything until confirmation is given

I_am_iron_man

12-08-2009, 10:05 AM

I seriously hope not. If Hathaway will join the cat, it's better if she's Valeria Toomes.

So a big :woot: to John Malkovich, imho.

Rodrigo90

12-08-2009, 10:07 AM

Of Mice of and Men,lol.

Pwetty little bunny wabbit as John said,lol.

American_Hobo

12-08-2009, 10:09 AM

Valeria Toomes would be terrible.
It's gonna lead to boring Peter-Valeria-MJ love-triangle story.

crimsonspider89

12-08-2009, 10:10 AM

Every villain has had their own arc. It's essential to character driven stories commonly seen in comic books.
What abilities does Carnage have that Venom does not? The only difference between the two, is that Carnage is red, and his host is a serial killer. Putting aside the fact that the Spider-Man films are kid friendly and having a serial killer in them would just be... wrong. Venom returning from the dead would be much better than Carnage.

NO, not every villain. Only certain villains have had crossover arcs centered on them or massive arcs for certain characters. Carnage is faster, stronger, more resilient against sound, and can create weapons out of his symbiote. Like I said, I want Carnage but not with Raimi directing. No problem, been plenty of PG13/PG movies with serial killers, just don't show the murdering.

Spider Man 4 will be a flop if the rumor is correct. Vulture as the main villain? Raimi has lost it and turning the Black Cat unto the Vulturess. Sony are also idiots, the Lizard would be amazing.

DACMAN

12-08-2009, 10:12 AM

http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/12/08/john-malkovich-to-play-the-villain-vulture-in-spider-man-4/

Oh wow. We'd have our Batman and Robin version of Spider-Man for sure if they go with that. The good news is we'd probably get a reboot right after though.

Though Malkovich as the Vulture sounds great.

Carlo Comicus

12-08-2009, 10:12 AM

Valeria Toomes would be terrible.
It's gonna lead to boring Peter-Valeria-MJ love-triangle story.

Valeria Toomes It's an inconsistent character with a pair of apparition in the comics. It's so useless. I have forget her immediately.

Ace of Knaves

12-08-2009, 10:13 AM

Yea but with Carnage you couldn't just cut away like the mummy movies when he kills someone. That would be a massive cop out. Leave Carnage to the Venom movie. ONLY if it's rated r mind.

But what's this rumour of a Vultress? You gotta be kidding me right?

crimsonspider89

12-08-2009, 10:15 AM

Do a shadow effect like in SM2 when the arms kill the doctors. This will be horrible. Raimi is an idiot and knows nothing of Spider Man. Reboot please. PLEASE! I hope Disney-Marvel buys the rights back to Spider Man movies after this.

Ace of Knaves

12-08-2009, 10:18 AM

Ummm why is there a new editor of the Bugle? What the **** is Raimi doing?

Rodrigo90

12-08-2009, 10:22 AM

Great...Why not just throw the Marx brothers in? or Laurel and Hardy to add more madness?

Whatever this movie has got cooking up,I reckon it will leave a very bad taste in our mouths. I pray that Im wrong though.

FaT_tONle

12-08-2009, 10:23 AM

I'd rather wait for better Avatar esque CGI if Sony doesn't think it can make Lizard look realistic.

Here is what I am thinking here, Toomes kills the editor and frames Spidey for it... (sort of similar to a Mysterio plot people were throwing around, or the Gwen Stacy plot when people assumed they would kill Cpt. Stacy off), Hardy goes to Toomes for the weapons and becomes a side kick. Lame... but it is what it is. I'd prefer that over Rhino to be honest. To me, this looks like a complete makeup for what SM3 should have had.

bullets

12-08-2009, 10:27 AM

It's sounds like they are trying to recreate the whole harry dynamic using felicia hardy. I really hope this isn't true.

Malchovich is a good choice to Vulture. I was thinking ben Kingsley but this would still be good.

I doubt Vulture is the only Villian in Spider-man 4

crimsonspider89

12-08-2009, 10:29 AM

IDK but IMHO if this is true, Raimi needs to stay away from Spidey movies FOREVER! At least Batman and Robin and Batman Forever had real villains and semi real storylines. This will be one of the worst comic book movies ever due to the script and characters. I know Anne can act.

I_am_iron_man

12-08-2009, 10:29 AM

But if they want use a new female character, it's so stupid if Felicia Hardy will become the Vulturess. In the end it's better if she's became Black Cat!

Rodrigo90

12-08-2009, 10:34 AM

What the HELL is Sam playing at?. This movie will be the death of Stan Lee.

After seeing Batman and Robin,Bob Kane died. Shumacer shouldve been charged with Manslaughter.

Carlo Comicus

12-08-2009, 10:35 AM

At this point I prefer they use the fake script test by David Lindsay Abaire. :D

crimsonspider89

12-08-2009, 10:40 AM

I think I would prefer Mysterio as the main villain instead. Raimi needs to learn comics. This is worse than Nanite Fury in MUA2.

I_am_iron_man

12-08-2009, 10:42 AM

At this point I prefer they use the fake script test by David Lindsay Abaire. :D

What it is?

bullets

12-08-2009, 10:44 AM

I hope Lizard eats the Vultress :csad:

Ace of Knaves

12-08-2009, 10:44 AM

He's not, he's being sarcy :D

bullets

12-08-2009, 10:51 AM

Yeah sorry i thought he was being serious. This is just a bad time .

Carlo Comicus

12-08-2009, 10:53 AM

New rumor: Anne Hathaway it's Blackie Drago!!! :P

terry78

12-08-2009, 10:54 AM

People were saying that Nolan should create his own villain for the Bat-films, so how would this be any different?

FaT_tONle

12-08-2009, 10:56 AM

Nolan wasn't doing no Jokeress last time I checked.

terry78

12-08-2009, 10:57 AM

Harley Quinn may as well be.

Ace of Knaves

12-08-2009, 10:57 AM

Who was saying Nolan should create his own villain? Whoever said that is silly in the brain pan considering Batman has one of the richest rogues galleries ever.

And I'm sure Nolan wouldn't just do a complete rehash of his old stories but change some things on the surface like it appears what is happening here.

This has gotta be fake. It's GOTTA BE!!

DocHoliday

12-08-2009, 11:05 AM

I am okay with the changes as long as the acting and story are solid. Is it pointless to change the Black Cat to Vulturess? Probably, but maybe it turns out okay like Ducard and R'as al Ghul being combined. With that said I can't argue with Anne Hathaway or John Malkovich being in the film, both are fantastic.

crimsonspider89

12-08-2009, 11:07 AM

I hope it is. I think MUA2 shows the backlash from creating your own character in a movie/video game based on comics. Seriously, bad idea. I mean, Spidey has a lot of Rogues to use.

FaT_tONle

12-08-2009, 11:11 AM

Sony probably felt they can't rip off Catwoman.

Project862006

12-08-2009, 11:17 AM

^ batman 3 seems less and less likely so who cares lol

FaT_tONle

12-08-2009, 11:32 AM

^ batman 3 seems less and less likely so who cares lol

Has nothing to do with anything. People know who Catwoman is... it is too similar.

Harley Quinn may as well be.

The fanboys were clamoring for Harley... not Nolan, which is irrelevant because Nolan didn't make her up anyhow. If he was going to change the character fans would be all over him, but he still has the trust factor so he'd be given the benefit of the doubt. Raimi lost a lot of credibility after his latest outing.

Ace of Knaves

12-08-2009, 11:37 AM

Why does Batman 3 seem less and less likely? You think there won't be a follow up to one of the highest grossing movies of all time? C'mon...

Jick09

12-08-2009, 11:39 AM

What happened to Ben Kingsley?
Well...I think I'll be okay with Malkovich.

Octoberist

12-08-2009, 11:40 AM

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Agent 194

12-08-2009, 11:42 AM

Malkovich would be a great villain. As I said elsewhere he's the only person who's crazier than the notion of a person flying around with wings. What a dark guy. And when I'm saying that....

But it begs the question....what happened to the Lizard? Why have we been teased with that during the last movies for?

bapi

12-08-2009, 12:00 PM

Plot:

1) Mr. Hardy / the Vulture gets hired as the new Daily Bugle editor.

2) His daughter is Felicia Hardy, who frequently hangs around the office, and develops a strong attraction to Daily Bugle top photographer Peter Parker.

3) After falling in love with Peter, she discovers his other identity as Spider-Man.

4) Spider-Man battles Vulture, Vulture dies somehow.

5) Felicia blames Peter for the death of her father (Harry anyone?) and becomes the Vulturess (Green Goblin II anyone?)

6) Spider-Man takes down the other gendered Vulture too, but he has an emotional connection to this villain, different than anyone before.

Dun, Dun, Dun!!!

Typical Sam... :woot:

zeptron

12-08-2009, 12:16 PM

Come back Gus Gorman and Nuclear Man. All is forgiven.

Figs

12-08-2009, 12:20 PM

I don't mind the choice of Malkovich for Vulture but having Felicia Hardy become a character called the Vulturess sounds absolutely lame.

I don't like being a fanboy type but this is a change/deviation from the comics that is just stupid. I hope this is a rumour that gets debunked. I had hopes for Raimi to redeem the series but this doesn't bode well.

Oh yeah, MarvelMovies little synopsis guess is most likely dead on with what the actual movie could turn out to be.

Dr.Dude

12-08-2009, 12:39 PM

People were saying that Nolan should create his own villain for the Bat-films, so how would this be any different?

Hahaha, ah, yes, I remember the whole "Red Baron" fiasco. Those were some really fun, really hilarious rumors, back before Batman Begins came out.

I'm going to go ahead and say that I believe this rumor is probably on just the same level as those "Red Baron" rumors though, or Aunt Carnage, or the supposed script review of SM3 that said the villains were Kraven and the Chameleon.

Now admittedly, I love all three Spider-Man movies so far. Honestly, though, even if you're not a fan, you should be able to admit that while there's been various changes throughout the series, it never went even close to this level. You can complain about Venom but he was still Eddie Brock and he still had very similar motivations to the comic book character--he just was underused. Flint Marko was Sandman, Otto Octavius was Dr. Octopus and both Osborns turned into Goblins.

Now if this were true, it'd be absolutely ridiculous and would probably be a franchise killer. Though I do love the idea of Malkovich as the Vulture and I am crossing my fingers that we might see that character (the REAL character, not "Mr.Hardy") in this next movie, since the Vulture is one of my all time favorite Spider-Man villains.

protocida

12-08-2009, 03:28 PM

It's probably a rough idea that they'll polish later on.

Early drafts of Spider-Man 2, by example, had a mid-20s Doctor Octopus who starts off as a super-hero rival to Spider-Man, falls in love with Mary-Jane and slowly descends into madness because of the tentacles' AI.

Spider-Fan83

12-08-2009, 03:58 PM

I don't mind the choice of Malkovich for Vulture but having Felicia Hardy become a character called the Vulturess sounds absolutely lame.
I doubt she'd ever actually be called that, it seems more like a nickname (like "new goblin") people are focusing way to much on the name

it would probably just be her at one point in the movie, discovering her fathers equipment (wings, suit,...) figuring out that her father is real the Vulture, she doesn't really know how to feel about at first, but, wants to, either help or stop him, when she hears about a big scene going down between him and spidey, so, she puts it on and flys down there, or something like that

spider-neil

12-08-2009, 03:59 PM

I don't think there is a spidey villian I would want to see less than the vulture (LAME!) well, maybe the spot.

venom892

12-08-2009, 04:28 PM

mre

12-08-2009, 05:42 PM

I'm not against Vilture as a main villain. But this Vulturess thing is dumb. I have never been a fan of female villains inspired by their male counterparts.
I have made exceptions in the past though.

Venom'sDad

12-08-2009, 07:19 PM

IMHO, I don't think Malkovich is the right pick for Vulture, if there is any validity to it. He definitely have the look; but Toomes character is not the sorta character that fits Malkovich talents... otherthan being just the badass bad guy.

Malkovich plays complicated, complex personalities... personalities that are thinkers, schemers, plotters, wise & witty, but a malcontent. Know what I mean? Those are the type of characters that he is great at portraying. Coupled that with the fact that I really don't trust Sam Raimi & Co. in writing a slick story that fit his talents; yet alone, understand the character and proper usage in the plot and context of a story. I have no doubt that Malkovich is a great addition to the franchise; hope he's not wasted.

As far as the reported plot.... like someone has said, I too have read better fan-boy story than that garbage they are proposing. However, I think many of you are mistaking in believing that Felicia Hardy would become some sort of Vultress. I think some actress may become Vulturess be it Anne Hathaway or someone else; but to Sam's defense, I think there may be two actress joining the film one to play Valeria Toomes(Vulturess/former SHIELD Agent) and the other to play Felicia Hardy(possibly Black Cat as well). The report may have confuse the two into one.

SpideyFan914

12-08-2009, 09:06 PM

Oh please, the only shock here is that people actually believe this. I mean, come on, Vulturess?? That's less credible than Aunt May as Carnage.

VenomVsSpidey

12-08-2009, 09:25 PM

Oh please, the only shock here is that people actually believe this. I mean, come on, Vulturess?? That's less credible than Aunt May as Carnage.

:cmad::cmad::cmad: it's gonna happen!!

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1886/73331250582152728147473.jpg

venom892

12-08-2009, 09:29 PM

That just made my night after working on a final paper all night.Thank you.:awesome:

The Squirrel

12-08-2009, 09:34 PM

The Vultress?

Congratulations Sam, you've made me not want to see Spider-Man 4. Congrats.

NewYorkSpider

12-08-2009, 09:37 PM

The Vultress?

Congratulations Sam, you've made me not want to see Spider-Man 4. Congrats.

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

mre

12-08-2009, 09:42 PM

IMHO, I don't think Malkovich is the right pick for Vulture... Toomes character is not the sorta character that fits Malkovich talents... Malkovich plays... personalities that are thinkers, schemers, plotters, wise & witty

Just thought this was funny.

I think Malkovich could pull it off for sure.

SpideyFan914

12-08-2009, 09:57 PM

Though the speculation (yes, speculation - read the bleepin' article, people) of Vulturess is absolutely absurd, I can understand Vulture being added and honestly, I'd have nothing against as long as he's done well, though I'd, of course, rather Lizard.
But seriously - VULTURESS???? Who starts these rumors?
Heck, how do they start these rumors? I wanna give it a shot!

crimsonspider89

12-08-2009, 10:03 PM

But it comes from an accredited source. Could be real.

bullets

12-08-2009, 10:23 PM

Wasn't Topher rumoured to play Chameleon ? Maybe this is a curve ball.

SpideyFan914

12-08-2009, 10:26 PM

But it comes from an accredited source. Could be real.
I know this guy who knows this guy who knows Stan Lee.
Actually, that's probably true.

sauronthegreat

12-09-2009, 07:06 PM

Quite Frankly I Think that action scenes with Vulture could be great visuals.He would be a good villain and even better if he was paired with someone like Electro.Hell a Vulture/Scorpion pair would be fantastic.

:up: for Vulture/Scorpion! Those two villains easily fit with one another, not to mention action-wise.

Sebastos

12-09-2009, 07:26 PM

The Vultress? :dry:

Spider-ManHero12

12-09-2009, 07:39 PM

Wasn't Topher rumoured to play Chameleon ? Maybe this is a curve ball. Yes, him and Thomas Haden Church, I believe.

venom892

12-09-2009, 07:57 PM

:up: for Vulture/Scorpion! Those two villains easily fit with one another, not to mention action-wise.Yea I actually came up with a plot for the two in another thread today.

-At the begining of the film is a huge bank robbery/car chase seen.spidey stops the robbers.Among them is herman Schultz

-Adrian Toomes and Norman Osborn were partners in the beginning.Toomes helped developed tech like the glider.However Norman ran Toomes out of the company,Took credit for his invetions and left him with nothing.

-Toomes rebuild himself slowly waiting for the day he could get his revenge on Osborn.However by the time he has enough funds for his revenge "project" he reads the paper and finds that Norman Osborn has died.Toomes is furious that his chance at revenge has been taken away.He however continues to amass more wealth selling his inventions to both the army and criminal organations

-After the incident with Octavius and the death of both Osborns, Oscorp is in shambles.Toomes gives an offer and buys it out.He feels satisfied owning the company but it isn't enough.He has to know who took his chance at vengenance away.He finds and reads Osborn's journal.He now knows Norman was the Green Goblin and finds out that the Goblin was killed.Now Spidey is Toomes target.

-The effects of Toomes selling his tech to the underworld as we see spidey break up a hiest.When there he sees Schultz and makes a joke about how times he's put him away.But Schultz tells spidey "Well this time you might be a little SHOCKED!(Corny I know but I think it fits the character.)A big fight between Shocker and Spidey takes place in the middle of the city with a few people getting hurt.Soon Spidey defeats Shocker and puts him in jail.after the battle he asks the shocker where he got the tech and Schultz just tells him his boss got from some "old buzzard".we then see scenes of spidey investigating where the tech is comig from.

-With people hurt Jonah becomes more agressive with his campaign against spider-man.He calls out to anyone who can stop Spider-man.Toomes sees this and offers Jonah help in capturing Spider-man.Mac Gargan volunteers for the project.Toomes created the Scorpion!

-Soon Spidey discovers the tech is coming from oscorp and goes to investigate further.However before he can he his attacked by the scorpion.The battle amonst the rooftops and Scorpion is victorious.However before the death blow,The formula has adverse effects on Gargan and he starts to lose more upon the realization he can't take the suit off.He begins to attack innocent civilains in a fit of rage and then dissapers

-Jonah calls Toomes to complain about the Scorpion's behavior and Toomes doesn't care and is only angry that Gargan didn't get the job done.He puts forth plan B.We see Toomes open a door and the Vulture Costume is revealed.

-We see the Scorpion in a torn down warehouse growing more mad as time goes on.He decides to make both Toomes and Jonah pay.

-one fight takes place in the daily bugle with Scorpion attacking Jonah and kinnapping him.

-A one and one Vulture vs. Spidey fight occurs mid air with Spidey barely surviving.He escapes and come s to MJ beaten and bruised.She nurtures him to health.

-Spidey decides to look for Jonah despite MJ's Concerns.The Scorpion soons leaves a message for toomes that if he doesn't meet him at a certain location then he will reveal his transgresion to the press.Toomes suits up and goes to the spot.

-Spidey spots Vulture Flying and tracks him.Soon they both arrive at the warehouse and a three way battle with Jonah screaming at all three at the same time ensues.

I Figure Gargan can be a private investigator fro the bugle before his transformation and that shocker doesn't really need that much character development as he's nothing more then a grunt.

Vile

12-10-2009, 02:48 AM

Jude Law as Mephisto!

Thats right! I want Raimi to adapt Brand New Day. The film would end with Peter making the deal with Mephy then instead of credits the first spidey film plays.

THAT would not only be genius, but take great balls of brass.

Artistsean

12-10-2009, 11:33 AM

My ideas for a Mysterio movie, and how it fits in to the overall Spider-Man stories:
In a movie you need the story, villain, obstacles, and such, to evolve the star.
How would this Mysterio movie do that?
It would help Spider-Man redeem himself after Spider-Man 3.

(I mention is more later in this post, but Mysterio's plan is to frame Spider-Man for robbery, then using illusions make Spider-Man think he is going crazy, then posing as a psychiatrist give several interviews in the Daily bugle about how Spider-Man is mentally unstable and could crack at any minute and use the black costume problems and the robberies as an example.)

Mysterio has been watching and waiting, knowing he can't defeat Spider-Man one on one (Mysterio's own words from the comic). He waits for the right moment to strike, when Spider-Man is most vulnerable, after the Black Costume mess.
A time when he is drained physically and emotionally.

So the movie becomes Peter Parker not only getting the public to trust him again, as well as Mary Jane, but himself too.
So in the end Spider-Man saves the city, his loved ones, his reputation, and proves himself to the public and himself, showing he is back to the heroic Spider-Man we all know and love from the previous movies.

In the comics Quintin Beck creates his Mysterio costume, and weapons, based on Spider-Man's costume.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cast%20anything/mysteryo.jpg
So, in the movie it can be the same, and help explain his wacky costume.
Also, since he is sort of posing as a hero, he might want it to look the most outragious in order to catch the publics attention.
It can look like this:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cast%20anything/Spider-Man2_postermysteriotest3.jpg

Just make the gray webbing black and not webbing, but straight.

Spider-Man 4
villain: Mysterio

Spider-Man is seen robbing museums and banks all over New York. The Daily Bugle reports about it, along with other papers. Its not just rumors anymore. At the same time a Psychiatrist comes to the Daily Bugle with information, in his professional opinion Spider-Man is suffering from severe mental illness and could crack at any time and judging by the robberies it may have started already.
Peter reads about it, and hears about it at the paper, the doctor's report gets Peter worried that maybe his spider-powers are starting to effect his brain, could he be blacking out and robbing banks?
Even though Mary Jane, who Peter is now living with, tries to comfort him Peter is still worried.
Suddenly a new hero shows up in New York and goes straight to the Daily Bugle, as well as other papers. His name is Mysterio and he is here to save New York from Spider-Man.
During is swinging around the city to clear his head Peter starts seeing things. Old enemies like Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Sandman, and Venom, come out of no where and attack. Spider-Man fights back but suddenly nothing is there. Could the doctor actually be right?
While Peter tries to come to grips with his problem, even meeting with the Doctor, Mary Jane is unsure of this psychiatrist and decides to investigate.
Spider-Man also has several run ins with Mysterio, he seems stronger, faster, and has mystical powers.
Perhaps Mary Jane meets this doctor and finds out he is connected to Mysterio. Only she gets kidnapped or is running from the psychiatrist because he actually is Mysterio.
Spider-Man also finds out that Mysterio was behind the robberies, pretending to be Spider-Man, and he actually is the psychiatrist, and behind all the illusions that made Spider-Man think he was loosing his mind.
In the end Peter/Spider-Man wins because, while Mysterio may be stronger, faster, and more powerful, its all manufactured, whereas Peter's powers are all natural. Maybe Mysterio even dies at the end, but we also see that his death was another illusion.

Sometime during the film Aunt May also finds out that Peter is Spider-Man, and during the coarse of the movie we see her reaction.
First shock, sadness, anger, all sorts of emotions, eventually acceptance (we see her write letters to papers like the Bugle, dropping her subscription because of all the bad mouthing they do about Spider-man, while she writes a letter of praise about another paper's , Front Line's, praising Spider-Man.) We also see her do subtle things to help Peter with his alter ego without Peter knowing.
Will she tell Peter she knows? Maybe she is having trouble figuring out what to do.
This would give Aunt May something to do in the films, just like giving Mary Jane more to do than just be the love interest and damsel in distress.

Mysterio should come off as a super genius and planner.
Thanks, I just used two of the original Mysterio storylines.
One where he tries to frame Spider-Man for robbery and set himself up as New York's Hero, and another where he tries to convince Spider-Man that he is going crazy.
For Aunt May I used the storyline where she found out about Peter being Spider-Man. I loved how she reacted.
It was so short because they were just ideas, I wasn't trying to write a whole movie outline.

The whole Spider-Man going crazy idea could even tie into his past with the black suit, people are willing to believe because of his behavior with the alien costume. Plus Peter thinks his mental state could be unraveling because of the effects of the costume, perhaps. Mary Jane, however should never really doubt him.
the Psychiatrist, Mysterio in disguise, could have a few sessions with Spider-Man in which he tries to make Spider-Man think he is going crazy.

The scenes with the past villains, Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, Green Goblin II, Venom, could all be done quickly and cheaply, since they are illusions that only last for a few minutes each.

If they use Mysterio these are just some ideas on how to make him a serious threat to Spider-Man.

Something else they could add in that was done in the old comics all the time,
Jameson backs Mysterio, and the Psychiatrist, so much that when it is revealed by Peter's photos that Mysterio was framing Spider-Man the whole time and is in fact the real bad guy,
Jameson, choking on his own rage, must run a retraction.
He usually says something like "run it on the bottom of page 12."

K. So plot synopsis:
Mysterio (AKA the psychiatrist) comes to town to frame Spider-Man, make him and everyone else think he has lots his mind and is dangerous, and make Mysterio look like a hero.
Aunt May finds out about Peter's secret, Jameson backs Mysterio, Mary Jane tries to help Peter by doing some detective work.

Thanks so much, again just applying stuff from the comics. And trying to give the actors more to do in the movie than just be the Aunt who is sad about Uncle Ben or the girlfriend/wife who becomes the damsel in distress. I think Both Actors would enjoy having more to do, plus Tobey would get to try something different, make himself think he is having a break down.
Another fun plus would be having one of the costumed spidey villains showing up at the Daily bugle, like they used to all the time.
In the old comics Kraven, Mysterio, Vulture, would show up in the building. Kraven and Mysterio just walked in like normal.
Wouldn't that be cool?
Mysterio walks in, saying he is giving the Bugle an exclusive. He will defeat Spider-Man and save New York. Jameson posts a giant front page story about Mysterio praising him up and down, calling him the hero the city needs and such. Then when he is shown to be the bad guy Jameson is forced to retract his statements.
Oh! They should also show Jameson writing an editorial about why Spider-Man is a menace.

In a movie you need the story, villain, obstacles, and such, to evolve the star.
How would this Mysterio movie do that?
It would help Spider-Man redeem himself after Spider-Man 2.

Mysterio has been watching and waiting, knowing he can't defeat Spider-Man one on one (Mysterio's own words from the comic). He waits for the right moment to strike, when Spider-Man is most vulnerable, after the Black Costume mess.
A time when he is drained physically and emotionally.

So the movie becomes Peter Parker not only getting the public to trust him again, as well as Mary Jane, but himself too.
So in the end Spider-Man saves the city, his loved ones, his reputation, and proves himself to the public and himself, showing he is back to the heroic Spider-Man we all know and love from the previous movies.

Rodrigo90

12-10-2009, 11:44 AM

As long as Bruce Campball isnt your choice for Mysterio,Artistsean...I like your proposals.

BlueTide

12-10-2009, 12:45 PM

i think venom892's plot is pretty sweet id watch that movie as long as the vulture is paired with another kick ass villain

mre

12-10-2009, 03:53 PM

They definitely need to do an impostor Spidey story in the movies.

Deaths Head II

12-10-2009, 05:38 PM

I doubt they will ever do an imposter Spider-Man in these movies. Unlike the comics, everyone in the movies absolutely loves Spidey.

Rodrigo90

12-10-2009, 05:48 PM

We saw him being framed in 3. Not imposter,but same result.

Deaths Head II

12-10-2009, 05:57 PM

Yeah, but it lasted like a couple of minutes. Any impostor story will probably be the same.

venom892

12-10-2009, 06:02 PM

I never really liked that.I was never too fond of Spider-man day.

Deaths Head II

12-10-2009, 06:08 PM

One of my favorite things about Spidey in the books was that no one really liked him but he still felt compelled to be a hero anyway. The stories where we would be framed or accused of something always kept me reading. Spidey always had to put up with a lot but he still felt compelled to do the right thing. That's what made me like Spider-Man so much compared to heroes that would be so popular they would get parades about them or the key to the city.

It goes without saying that Spider-Man Day in S3 annoyed the hell out of me.

BlueTide

12-10-2009, 10:01 PM

spiderman 4-vulture,electro and some lower guy like rhino

spiderman 5-should deff have lizard and kraven

or vice versa

Doc Ock

12-10-2009, 10:19 PM

crimsonspider89

12-10-2009, 10:44 PM

Carnage. Have the Carnage fight end with the symbiote disappearing and Spidey killing Carnage. Do this in front of millions of people. Make it seem like Carnage is defenseless.

Artistsean

12-11-2009, 01:53 AM

Have Spider-Man 4 and 5 introduce some new villains, maybe two each (if done right like Batman and Dark Knight) then in Spider-man 6 introduce the Sinister Six, make that the BIG SEND OFF MOVIE. When the cast finally leaves, since they planned to after 3 I don't see them staying much longer.
It could be Spider-Man fighting six impossible bad guys at once.
It will seem like impossible odds for him to triumph over, it will be visually exciting, lots of action and drama and FX.

They could even have the movie also be about Peter and MJ's wedding, maybe even have Aunt May find out about Peter being Spider-Man.

After Spider-Man 6, after the cast and crew leave, they SHOULD turn the Spider-Man movies into a franchise like James Bond, or Batman, or Jack Ryan, where he has film after film changing actors and directors when necessary.
Peter Parker could be a character like that. Maybe even relaunch the franchise when need be like those other films.
But I digress.

There should be a climactic Spider-Man 6 with the Sinister 6 as the main bad guys.
Some character need little to no explanation, like Rhino.

zeptron

12-11-2009, 03:56 AM

If they ever do an impostor storyline, I'm thinking that maybe Mysterio frames Spidey and as a result JJJ has Mac Gargon become the Scorpion to hunt Spidey down. But like the comics the experiment goes wrong and Scorpion turns on JJJ and Spidey has to not only save him, but clear his name.

Artistsean

12-11-2009, 02:10 PM

As long as they don't team up, because they do that too much in comic movies, that would be cool.
To have Spider-Man have to defeat Mysterio, clear his name, and fight the Scorpion too. And maybe Scorpion's story takes up the second half and is finished in the next movie. Just a few ideas,
but I like the two.

Something else I would LOVE to see is Spider-man fighting some random, nameless, super villains in a short scene. Something like in the opening of the movie,
We see a bunch of people at a Circus all zombified and frozen, because of the Ringmaster, as his Circus of Crime is robbing all of them,
The Spider-Man swoops in, hits the hat off his head, and does battle with the acrobats, the clown, the strong man, and such.
It would be such a short scene, like the little openings in Batman: Brave and the Bold.
it would show he fights more than just average thugs and super dooper criminals, but all types of criminals.
Or it could be a different, low budget super bad guy who wouldn't need much explanation and could be defeated easily.

crimsonspider89

12-11-2009, 02:21 PM

The Shocker or Hammerhead...

Artistsean

12-12-2009, 01:24 AM

as the main villains or as characters taken down quickly?

Sebastos

12-12-2009, 01:26 AM

They'd work as villains taken down quickly. No way do I see them working as main villains.

crimsonspider89

12-12-2009, 01:36 AM

Take down quick villains.

Artistsean

12-12-2009, 01:40 AM

I would LOVE to see Spider-Man take down either, or both, especially Hammerhead. That would be so cool.

I think showing that is a good way to show that Spider-Man handles way more bad guys than we see, and there are some who aren't really movie worthy, or some battles that aren't as epic at the ones that have been chronicled in the previous movies. Plus it sets them up for later movies in the future, like if Spider-Man becomes a character like Jack Ryan (played by Harrison Ford, Alec Baldwin, Ben Aflec, soon Chris Pine I hear) or James Bond (played Roger Moore, Sean Connery, Pierce Brosnan, Daniel Craig, Timothy Dalton) and Batman (Micheal Keaton, Val Kilmer, George Clooney, then rebooted and played by Christian Bale)
I would love to see Spider-Man become a character like that.

Sebastos

12-12-2009, 01:42 AM

Spidey taking down Shocker would be a great opener.

crimsonspider89

12-12-2009, 01:56 AM

Yeah, I agree. I think that is what is set to happen after these 6.

zeptron

12-12-2009, 10:03 AM

Silver Knight

12-12-2009, 10:19 AM

So it looks like we aint getting Lizad.

RachelDawes

12-12-2009, 02:14 PM

How about this for a fight scene? Peter and MJ are on a plane(for whatever reason) and the Vulture attacks and Peter disappears someone to change into Spider-man and fights Vulture while everyone on the plane watches.

I'd like that. Spider-Man zipping around a falling airplane fighting an aerial villain battle with all the passengers screaming would be intense.

bullets

12-12-2009, 02:37 PM

How about this for a fight scene? Peter and MJ are on a plane(for whatever reason) and the Vulture attacks and Peter disappears someone to change into Spider-man and fights Vulture while everyone on the plane watches.

He would have to open the hatch door mid flight which is very dangerous and also people might wonder how Spider-man was able to get up there.

SpideyFan914

12-12-2009, 04:25 PM

Yea I actually came up with a plot for the two in another thread today.

-At the begining of the film is a huge bank robbery/car chase seen.spidey stops the robbers.Among them is herman Schultz

-Adrian Toomes and Norman Osborn were partners in the beginning.Toomes helped developed tech like the glider.However Norman ran Toomes out of the company,Took credit for his invetions and left him with nothing.

-Toomes rebuild himself slowly waiting for the day he could get his revenge on Osborn.However by the time he has enough funds for his revenge "project" he reads the paper and finds that Norman Osborn has died.Toomes is furious that his chance at revenge has been taken away.He however continues to amass more wealth selling his inventions to both the army and criminal organations

-After the incident with Octavius and the death of both Osborns, Oscorp is in shambles.Toomes gives an offer and buys it out.He feels satisfied owning the company but it isn't enough.He has to know who took his chance at vengenance away.He finds and reads Osborn's journal.He now knows Norman was the Green Goblin and finds out that the Goblin was killed.Now Spidey is Toomes target.

-The effects of Toomes selling his tech to the underworld as we see spidey break up a hiest.When there he sees Schultz and makes a joke about how times he's put him away.But Schultz tells spidey "Well this time you might be a little SHOCKED!(Corny I know but I think it fits the character.)A big fight between Shocker and Spidey takes place in the middle of the city with a few people getting hurt.Soon Spidey defeats Shocker and puts him in jail.after the battle he asks the shocker where he got the tech and Schultz just tells him his boss got from some "old buzzard".we then see scenes of spidey investigating where the tech is comig from.

-With people hurt Jonah becomes more agressive with his campaign against spider-man.He calls out to anyone who can stop Spider-man.Toomes sees this and offers Jonah help in capturing Spider-man.Mac Gargan volunteers for the project.Toomes created the Scorpion!

-Soon Spidey discovers the tech is coming from oscorp and goes to investigate further.However before he can he his attacked by the scorpion.The battle amonst the rooftops and Scorpion is victorious.However before the death blow,The formula has adverse effects on Gargan and he starts to lose more upon the realization he can't take the suit off.He begins to attack innocent civilains in a fit of rage and then dissapers

-Jonah calls Toomes to complain about the Scorpion's behavior and Toomes doesn't care and is only angry that Gargan didn't get the job done.He puts forth plan B.We see Toomes open a door and the Vulture Costume is revealed.

-We see the Scorpion in a torn down warehouse growing more mad as time goes on.He decides to make both Toomes and Jonah pay.

-one fight takes place in the daily bugle with Scorpion attacking Jonah and kinnapping him.

-A one and one Vulture vs. Spidey fight occurs mid air with Spidey barely surviving.He escapes and come s to MJ beaten and bruised.She nurtures him to health.

-Spidey decides to look for Jonah despite MJ's Concerns.The Scorpion soons leaves a message for toomes that if he doesn't meet him at a certain location then he will reveal his transgresion to the press.Toomes suits up and goes to the spot.

-Spidey spots Vulture Flying and tracks him.Soon they both arrive at the warehouse and a three way battle with Jonah screaming at all three at the same time ensues.

I Figure Gargan can be a private investigator fro the bugle before his transformation and that shocker doesn't really need that much character development as he's nothing more then a grunt.
Don't take this wrong way, but I think it needs a bit more work. JJJ kind of seems like a third wheel in all this, and I can't see that working in a Scorpion story. Plus, I don't understand where you're going with the Vulture's motivation. He wants revenge on Spidey for killing Gobby when he wanted to do that? It may work in a cartoon, but not in a feature-length movie.... Gargan doesn't really have the motivation to sign up for the experiment either. I know that it's the same as it was in the comics, but again, the stakes need to be upped for a movie. The best thing, IMO, would be to separate Vulture and Scorpion - I don't really see them having chemistry. Though I do like the idea of Toomes buying Oscorp - that could work pretty well!

My ideas for a Mysterio movie, and how it fits in to the overall Spider-Man stories:
In a movie you need the story, villain, obstacles, and such, to evolve the star.
How would this Mysterio movie do that?
It would help Spider-Man redeem himself after Spider-Man 3.

(I mention is more later in this post, but Mysterio's plan is to frame Spider-Man for robbery, then using illusions make Spider-Man think he is going crazy, then posing as a psychiatrist give several interviews in the Daily bugle about how Spider-Man is mentally unstable and could crack at any minute and use the black costume problems and the robberies as an example.)

Mysterio has been watching and waiting, knowing he can't defeat Spider-Man one on one (Mysterio's own words from the comic). He waits for the right moment to strike, when Spider-Man is most vulnerable, after the Black Costume mess.
A time when he is drained physically and emotionally.

So the movie becomes Peter Parker not only getting the public to trust him again, as well as Mary Jane, but himself too.
So in the end Spider-Man saves the city, his loved ones, his reputation, and proves himself to the public and himself, showing he is back to the heroic Spider-Man we all know and love from the previous movies.

In the comics Quintin Beck creates his Mysterio costume, and weapons, based on Spider-Man's costume.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cast%20anything/mysteryo.jpg
So, in the movie it can be the same, and help explain his wacky costume.
Also, since he is sort of posing as a hero, he might want it to look the most outragious in order to catch the publics attention.
It can look like this:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cast%20anything/Spider-Man2_postermysteriotest3.jpg

In a movie you need the story, villain, obstacles, and such, to evolve the star.
How would this Mysterio movie do that?
It would help Spider-Man redeem himself after Spider-Man 2.

Mysterio has been watching and waiting, knowing he can't defeat Spider-Man one on one (Mysterio's own words from the comic). He waits for the right moment to strike, when Spider-Man is most vulnerable, after the Black Costume mess.
A time when he is drained physically and emotionally.

So the movie becomes Peter Parker not only getting the public to trust him again, as well as Mary Jane, but himself too.
So in the end Spider-Man saves the city, his loved ones, his reputation, and proves himself to the public and himself, showing he is back to the heroic Spider-Man we all know and love from the previous movies.
This, I like. You do need to give Mysterio more motivation (seriously, why is he messing around with Spidey's life?), but I like the tie-ins with Spider-Man. I can definitely see this working with some tweaks for the fourth or fifth installments (plus, I'd love to see Mysterio). Though, I've gotta say - I do not want Mysterio's costume to look like Spidey's. He's not Venom. I need the fishbowl - the corniness of the character is a large part of his appeal.
Your idea for Aunt May is also pretty good. Could work well regardless of the villain. I really hope they do that now....

I doubt they will ever do an imposter Spider-Man in these movies. Unlike the comics, everyone in the movies absolutely loves Spidey.
That was only for half of SM3. In the first two movies, the public hated him. Wouldn't be hard to set them off again.

Have Spider-Man 4 and 5 introduce some new villains, maybe two each (if done right like Batman and Dark Knight) then in Spider-man 6 introduce the Sinister Six, make that the BIG SEND OFF MOVIE. When the cast finally leaves, since they planned to after 3 I don't see them staying much longer.
It could be Spider-Man fighting six impossible bad guys at once.
It will seem like impossible odds for him to triumph over, it will be visually exciting, lots of action and drama and FX.

They could even have the movie also be about Peter and MJ's wedding, maybe even have Aunt May find out about Peter being Spider-Man.

After Spider-Man 6, after the cast and crew leave, they SHOULD turn the Spider-Man movies into a franchise like James Bond, or Batman, or Jack Ryan, where he has film after film changing actors and directors when necessary.
Peter Parker could be a character like that. Maybe even relaunch the franchise when need be like those other films.
But I digress.

There should be a climactic Spider-Man 6 with the Sinister 6 as the main bad guys.
Some character need little to no explanation, like Rhino.
Okay, this I do not support. Though I love the Sinister Six, putting them in a movie would result in the same kinds of problems as SM3. Too many villains with little or no connections dividing up the screentime, plus the additional problem of having the fights take up too much screentime. For SM6, I want to see Roderick Kingsley as Hobgoblin (I think it'll have been long enough by then).
Though I would love to see it becoming a James Bond-type franchise.

If they ever do an impostor storyline, I'm thinking that maybe Mysterio frames Spidey and as a result JJJ has Mac Gargon become the Scorpion to hunt Spidey down. But like the comics the experiment goes wrong and Scorpion turns on JJJ and Spidey has to not only save him, but clear his name.

As long as they don't team up, because they do that too much in comic movies, that would be cool.
To have Spider-Man have to defeat Mysterio, clear his name, and fight the Scorpion too. And maybe Scorpion's story takes up the second half and is finished in the next movie. Just a few ideas,
but I like the two.
Two movies. One with Mysterio, one with Scorpion. Especially if it's going to be that sequential, with one after the other, they wouldn't fit well together in the same movie.

Something else I would LOVE to see is Spider-man fighting some random, nameless, super villains in a short scene. Something like in the opening of the movie,
We see a bunch of people at a Circus all zombified and frozen, because of the Ringmaster, as his Circus of Crime is robbing all of them,
The Spider-Man swoops in, hits the hat off his head, and does battle with the acrobats, the clown, the strong man, and such.
It would be such a short scene, like the little openings in Batman: Brave and the Bold.
it would show he fights more than just average thugs and super dooper criminals, but all types of criminals.
Or it could be a different, low budget super bad guy who wouldn't need much explanation and could be defeated easily.
I like it because of the Circus of Crime. Seeing them in a movie would be GREAT!

So it looks like we aint getting Lizad.
Why do you say that? Personally, I still want Lizard.
I haven't thought through the details as much as some others, but in my book, Lizard is long overdue. He's one of my favorite Spidey villains (I like him better than Ock, personally), he could look really great effects-wise, there's a connection with Peter Parker, and Curt Connors has already been introduced. Yeah, we need to get Lizard in there....

With respect to the plane Vulture fight: excellent follow-up to the Ock train fight. People say that there's nothing good effect-wise for Vulture, but they need to think more outside the box - just look at what they did with the first Peter-Harry fight in SM3!

Anyway, in regards to Scorpion being paired up, if he were to be paired up with anyone, I'd put my vote on the Spider-Slayers, preferably Spencer Smythe. I don't have many details worked out as to personal connections and all that stuff, but something sends JJJ completely off the edge (maybe some homage to ASM #1?) and so his vendetta with Spider-Man becomes personal. Then, he hires Smythe to capture Spider-Man (maybe Smythe comes to him, in fact). Smythe at first just wants money, but after he fails several times, he goes a bit over-the-top. Without JJJ's permission, Smythe goes through with human experimentation and turns Gargan into the Scorpion and sends him to kill Spider-Man (maybe even brainwashes him). When JJJ finds out, he cuts Smythe's funding. Enraged, Smythe attaches Spidey to JJJ via bomb-cuff (24 Hours to Live, anyone?) and sends them into battle with Scorpion.
Again, I haven't worked out the details (just thought of this - perhaps Gargan could've been a friend of John's if ASM #1 is visited, and thus is granted motivation), but I just think the villains would have better chemistry, and it would be the ideal JJJ plot in my mind as they were all created by JJJ in the comics.
Also, John has to return sometime. Seriously, didn't he have anything to say to MJ after she ran out on him on their wedding day? That's the worst kind of scorn possible - ten times worse than MJ's break-up with Peter in #3 - and with John having such little character at this point, a lot could be done with it. Man-Wolf, for example. (Hey, that would be a good lead-up to Smythe/Scorpion! Heck, this could be a whole trilogy in its own right - first Man-Wolf, then Spencer/Scorpey, then Alistaire Smythe for the finale. If the franchise lasts a while, I would love to see this happen....)

Artistsean

12-12-2009, 04:28 PM

He would have to open the hatch door mid flight which is very dangerous and also people might wonder how Spider-man was able to get up there.

I could see that being part of the drama of the scene, he has to get out there to save the day but can't without opening the hatch door mid flight.
I think eventually it would come down to timing, lots of webbing, and precision and Spider-Man would eventually do it.
Maybe he would be able to find a way out crawling through the plane and out the landing area.

Don't take this wrong way, but I think it needs a bit more work. JJJ kind of seems like a third wheel in all this, and I can't see that working in a Scorpion story. Plus, I don't understand where you're going with the Vulture's motivation. He wants revenge on Spidey for killing Gobby when he wanted to do that? It may work in a cartoon, but not in a feature-length movie.... Gargan doesn't really have the motivation to sign up for the experiment either. I know that it's the same as it was in the comics, but again, the stakes need to be upped for a movie. The best thing, IMO, would be to separate Vulture and Scorpion - I don't really see them having chemistry. Though I do like the idea of Toomes buying Oscorp - that could work pretty well!

The Green Spider-Man was just my example of the green area of Mysterio's costume. I agree. He MUST have the fishbowl. I was only saying the costume could look the way it does because he used Spider-Man's design as part of it. Instead of just a green spandex costume with black gridding on it, the black grid should pop up like Spidey's webbing and the green part should be made out of the same material as Spider-Man's red part (only Mysterio's is colored green).

Motivation: Just like in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon
"OK Spider-Man, you caught me again."
Spidey- "Again? You mean I caught you before?"
"Don't act like you don't remember me, I was on the cruise ship."
Spidey- "Oh, oh yeah."

Mysterio was captured by Spider-Man once already, and sent to prison for a few years. So he is back for revenge, and money. Revenge and money.
Or, he could be motivated by revenge, money, and was hired by a mysterious third party leading to another big bad guy and a possible Sinister Six.

I agree about the Six though, it would be almost impossible to make a good Sinister Six movie.
But maybe if most of the important bad guys in the six were introduced in the previous movies, like Ock (I have ideas how to bring him back and Alfred wants back in too), Sandman, and whoever is going to be in 4 and 5, then maybe the rest could be characters without much story or whatever, like Rhino who is big dumb and strong but would add much else... I think.
It might end up too cluttered, but it would be so much fun to see in a movie.

Oh, maybe Spider-Man can take down the Enforcers in the beginning of the movie,
Ox, Fancy Dan, and Montana.

SpideyFan914

12-12-2009, 04:35 PM

I could see that being part of the drama of the scene, he has to get out there to save the day but can't without opening the hatch door mid flight.
I think eventually it would come down to timing, lots of webbing, and precision and Spider-Man would eventually do it.
Maybe he would be able to find a way out crawling through the plane and out the landing area.
In my vision of that scene, Peter wouldn't be on the plane. :word:
I think it would be easier logically if the fight just started close to an airport, and they got caught on one as it took off. Or else the logic would require another "We won't tell no one." (Augh!!! Double negatives!), and it wouldn't be powerful anymore the second time.