Official Villian Casting & Discussion Thread

[crimsonspider89]

I think Vulture needs to be the owner of the weapons company rival to Oscorp that Norman destroyed. Toomes then takes up the Vulture harness to rebuild the company by stealing and he does. He then talks the electrician into being a test subject for a new process to make super soldiers which creates Electro but have Max be one of Pete's former classmates.

[Artistsean]

There was a scene in the very first Spider-Man where he saves John Jameson's space ship from crashing. Can anyone find those pics? That would be a great scene and call back to that comic too.
I don't want another we wont tell scene either. But maybe he could sneak out through the landing gear or something.
But with Vulture there HAS to be aerial fight scenes. Thats one of the Vulture's greatest advantages over Spider-Man. He always mentions that.

[venom892]

Don't take this wrong way, but I think it needs a bit more work. JJJ kind of seems like a third wheel in all this, and I can't see that working in a Scorpion story. Plus, I don't understand where you're going with the Vulture's motivation. He wants revenge on Spidey for killing Gobby when he wanted to do that? It may work in a cartoon, but not in a feature-length movie.... Gargan doesn't really have the motivation to sign up for the experiment either. I know that it's the same as it was in the comics, but again, the stakes need to be upped for a movie. The best thing, IMO, would be to separate Vulture and Scorpion - I don't really see them having chemistry. Though I do like the idea of Toomes buying Oscorp - that could work pretty well!Thanks for your honest opinion.I know it needs work....I thought it up in about ten minutes.:oI haven't really thought of Scorpion's motivation in all this but I still think he and Vulture would be a good pairing.I don't know if Sony would ever sign up on spider slayers and I don't Vulture and Scorpion can hold a movie themselves.But I'm interested in your opinion.What do you think of Shocker being a product of Toomes selling his tech to the crime syndicates?Let me know!

[Doc Ock]

I think Vulture needs to be the owner of the weapons company rival to Oscorp that Norman destroyed. Toomes then takes up the Vulture harness to rebuild the company by stealing and he does. He then talks the electrician into being a test subject for a new process to make super soldiers which creates Electro but have Max be one of Pete's former classmates.

I like that idea, but I would like to have Shocker instead of Electro because he might be to odd to be in the film, for now.

[crimsonspider89]

Electro is a much greater threat than Shocker. IDK about Shocker or Rhino as a main villain.

[SpideyFan914]

The Green Spider-Man was just my example of the green area of Mysterio's costume. I agree. He MUST have the fishbowl. I was only saying the costume could look the way it does because he used Spider-Man's design as part of it. Instead of just a green spandex costume with black gridding on it, the black grid should pop up like Spidey's webbing and the green part should be made out of the same material as Spider-Man's red part (only Mysterio's is colored green).

Motivation: Just like in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon
"OK Spider-Man, you caught me again."
Spidey- "Again? You mean I caught you before?"
"Don't act like you don't remember me, I was on the cruise ship."
Spidey- "Oh, oh yeah."

Mysterio was captured by Spider-Man once already, and sent to prison for a few years. So he is back for revenge, and money. Revenge and money.
Or, he could be motivated by revenge, money, and was hired by a mysterious third party leading to another big bad guy and a possible Sinister Six.
"Now you know. It's me."
"Riiight.... Who are you?"
"You put me away!"
"I did? Cool!"
"Oh, c'mon! I was working with Chameleon!"
"Right - you were.... the crewman!"
"The waiter!! 'Demitoss, Spider-Man?'"
That's a bit closer. :word: (Yeah, I'm that geeky.)
Personally, I can't see Mysterio being able to pose as a psychiatrist if Beck is a known criminal. Even under a false alias, the NYPD isn't that stupid. Plus, giving him two identities could be confusing for non-Spidey fans - if they were to adapt ASM #24 (which I would love to see), I'd say that the psychiatrist could actually be using his real name - Quentin Beck! Unless, of course, Beck was well-established in a prior movie.
I'm fine with the revenge motivation, but I don't think the classic "You put me away." would work as well here. For one thing, if Beck's publicly psychoanalyzing Spider-Man, somewhere down the line, someone would check his credentials. Even JJJ isn't obsessive enough not to ensure that his source is reliable.
So perhaps, Beck actually is a psychiatrist, but Spider-Man somehow messed him up. I don't know, just a basic undeveloped thought.

I agree about the Six though, it would be almost impossible to make a good Sinister Six movie.
But maybe if most of the important bad guys in the six were introduced in the previous movies, like Ock (I have ideas how to bring him back and Alfred wants back in too), Sandman, and whoever is going to be in 4 and 5, then maybe the rest could be characters without much story or whatever, like Rhino who is big dumb and strong but would add much else... I think.
It might end up too cluttered, but it would be so much fun to see in a movie.

But you see, I don't want Ock to return. His death was powerful, and shouldn't be altered. I always hated how villains constantly come back from the dead in comics.
I don't want to see Sandman back either, simply because I hate his SM3 portrayal.
So that leaves us with 4 max returning villains (2 from 4, 2 from 5 - Raimi said there won't be 3 villains again). I honestly cannot see them bringing back 4 villains and creating 2 more, even if they're just throwaways. Heck, I can't even see them creating any throwaways - if you already have time invested in the origin, it would feel like a waste for them to be minor characters, unless they had a direct impact on the plot.

Thanks for your honest opinion.I know it needs work....I thought it up in about ten minutes.:oI haven't really thought of Scorpion's motivation in all this but I still think he and Vulture would be a good pairing.I don't know if Sony would ever sign up on spider slayers and I don't Vulture and Scorpion can hold a movie themselves.But I'm interested in your opinion.What do you think of Shocker being a product of Toomes selling his tech to the crime syndicates?Let me know!
I like the Shocker idea. He doesn't need much development (and I'd honestly never want Shocker to be a main villain), and it would be a nice fight before the big bads come in. Plus, even if Shocker's minor, it would really shift the story into full-gear, upping the ante on Vulture's villainy and putting Spidey on his trail.

I think Vulture needs to be the owner of the weapons company rival to Oscorp that Norman destroyed. Toomes then takes up the Vulture harness to rebuild the company by stealing and he does. He then talks the electrician into being a test subject for a new process to make super soldiers which creates Electro but have Max be one of Pete's former classmates.
I like it.
As I mentioned earlier, I like the idea of giving Toomes a connection with Osborn, and the idea of him owning a company. It's a nice motive too - he's trying to save his butt from bankruptcy. Good parallel with Gobby.
And as for Electro, I see this idea for him as kind of like what TSSM did with Molten Man. A scared kid (well, a bit older, but almost a kid) who winds up in over his head, turns into a freak, and is forced to do the bidding of the mastermind. It would probably be a lot like what SM3 was going to be.
I don't think he's too odd, either, 'cause he's way more believable than Sandman. Seriously, what kind of guy can turn into an inanimate object? That makes no sense.

[Artistsean]

Thats why I think Rhino and some other characters like him would be perfect for a Sinister Six movie,
Rhino is the big dumb muscle that lacks much story, so he could be used with little introduction and kept in the back ground most of the time while characters like Ock and Electro do more things.

[crimsonspider89]

I think the Vulture would be a good villain if paired up with someone like the Lizard or Electro. Yeah if they do a Sinister Six, it needs to be Rhino, Shocker, return of Sandman, Scorpion, Kraven, and Hobgoblin hired by Kingpin.

[bullets]

I think the Vulture would be a good villain if paired up with someone like the Lizard or Electro. Yeah if they do a Sinister Six, it needs to be Rhino, Shocker, return of Sandman, Scorpion, Kraven, and Hobgoblin hired by Kingpin.


I'd really want to see The Lizard and either Vulture or Electro be the villians of SM4 and then do a two parter 5 and 6. In SM4 Parker should propose and SM6 end with the wedding . Part 5 Spider-man should lose to the sinister six . Then Lizard or Black Cat , even Sandman could help him defeat the sinisters six to conclude the series.

[SpideyFan914]

I think the Vulture would be a good villain if paired up with someone like the Lizard or Electro.
Why didn't I think of that? We could group Vulture and Lizard! That could actually be pretty cool.
Okay, I'm making this up as I go along....
So, Toomes buys Oscorp (I still think that's a great idea), and begins to stabilize it. Plus, maybe Connors works for Oscorp (it was never specified in previous movies what he does when he's not teaching). Still, however, their funds are low after all the hell the company's been through lately, so both Toomes and Connors are struggling through their positions.
In need of a breakthrough, Toomes lends most of Oscorp's money to Connors, who proposes the idea of regenerating lost limbs. However, as Connors continues through his experiments, Toomes believes that his results are insane (I mean, c'mon - lizard DNA to regrow arms?). Meanwhile, Toomes rediscovers the old notes on the glider technology, and, deciding that would be more profitable, lends his money toward that research.
But of course, having become personally invested in his work, Connors proceeds anyway, and, for lack of a test subject, uses himself. When detectives draw the connection between the Lizard and Oscorp, Toomes is driven to the ground but his rivals.
Desperate and infuriated, Toomes dons his wings and seeks out the Lizard. He manages to find the monster, and direct his savage instincts against his competitors, as Oscorp begins to win back profit....
Peter, meanwhile, had been assisting Connors in his experiments before their funding was cut, and became closer to him, so when he hears about his friend's transformation, he seeks to save him. But of course, with the Vulture's interference, Spider-Man finds himself battling more than just a primal monster, and must stop the Vulture as well if he wants to cure his friend.

Yeah if they do a Sinister Six, it needs to be Rhino, Shocker, return of Sandman, Scorpion, Kraven, and Hobgoblin hired by Kingpin.
Another reason I don't want the Sinister Six: in my mind, they're all common thugs with the exception of maybe one or two.
The first line-up was Ock, Electro, Kraven, Mysterio, Sandman, and Vulture. All ordinary, basically motivated villains with Ock being the one mastermind.
Second line-up: Ock, Electro, Mysterio, Sandman, Vulture, and Hobgoblin IV. Also all basic villains (this was Macendale, not Kingsley) except for Ock (mastermind and traitor) and Sandman (who had gone straight by this point and, if I remember correctly, was threatened - though it may have been an alternate motive....).
Next line-up (I think this is right): Sandman, Electro, Mysterio, Vulture, Kraven II, and Venom. They all had the same motive - revenge on Ock for his betrayal. And then Venom joined and (though I still haven't read part 2, to be honest) just wanted in on the beating-up-Spidey and wound up eating Sandman.
First Insidious Six: Ock, Scorpion, Rhino, Shocker, Mysterio, and Chameleon, taking orders from Kingpin. And absolutely none of them stood out.
Second Insidious Six: Ock, Scorpion, Rhino, Shocker, Vulture, and Chameleon, taking orders from Kingpin. Only special mention here is Chameleon's betrayal.
TSSM First Line-up: Ock, Electro, Vulture, Shocker, Sandman, Rhino. Ock's the mastermind, the rest are goons.
TSSM Second Line-up: Electro, Vulture, Sandman, Rhino, Mysterio, Kraven. None stood out, though they were taking orders from MP.

But in the movies, if villains are brought back from previous movies, more is expected from them than being mere goons. So unless you introduce 4 or 5 new villains, it can't work. Now that's what I call overboard.

[crimsonspider89]

All of them would just be common goons working for Kingpin, or Tombstone. Sandman would become a villain again to help his daughter who is nearly dead when Kingpin offers to pay for her doctor bill. Scorpion, Rhino, Shocker would be some random goons from the past movies who want revenge and are offered a chance by enhancing them with tech and chemicals. Hobgoblin would be a common theif who broke into Norman's apartment and stole the goblin tech along with the goblin formula. He would then offer to work for the Kingpin for a price.

[SpideyFan914]

All of them would just be common goons working for Kingpin, or Tombstone. Sandman would become a villain again to help his daughter who is nearly dead when Kingpin offers to pay for her doctor bill. Scorpion, Rhino, Shocker would be some random goons from the past movies who want revenge and are offered a chance by enhancing them with tech and chemicals. Hobgoblin would be a common theif who broke into Norman's apartment and stole the goblin tech along with the goblin formula. He would then offer to work for the Kingpin for a price.
They don't have the rights for Kingpin, but even if they were to use another crime lord, I prefer the mastermind of the Six to be part of the Six.
Scorpion's worth more than that. He could have his own movie. But he needs to be created by JJJ, IMO. That's part of his appeal.
And Hobgoblin.... the very idea is worth so much more than a common thief. Your idea fits the persona of Macendale, but for a movie, only Kingsley would really work. Any reference at all to the Green Goblin will automatically increase the audience's interest in him, and to then make him a simple goon would be a cop-out. However, I could see Hobby as a mastermind for the Six. Except that I don't want the Six....
Again, it wouldn't make sense to create three new villains just to throw them away. It may work elsewhere (X-Men, for instance), but in Spidey, a villain needs an origin, and for the movie to invest that time in the creation of a villain, it must be absolutely necessary for the villain to be in the movie. If you already have 3 great villains on the team, why create 3 more? Just to take a backseat in the action?
But, of course, to take 6 villains from previous movies would also result in a copout. As I explained earlier, when a villain has a whole movie to himself, you expect more from him than to be just another face in the crowd, and yet the Sinister Six will demand just that. It's contradictory, and as such, can't work out well.
(PS: You forgot to mention Kraven.)

[Doc Ock]

I'd really want to see The Lizard and either Vulture or Electro be the villians of SM4 and then do a two parter 5 and 6. In SM4 Parker should propose and SM6 end with the wedding . Part 5 Spider-man should lose to the sinister six . Then Lizard or Black Cat , even Sandman could help him defeat the sinisters six to conclude the series.

I love the idea of The Lizard or even Sandman helping defeat the Sinister Six.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Thats why I think Rhino and some other characters like him would be perfect for a Sinister Six movie,
Rhino is the big dumb muscle that lacks much story, so he could be used with little introduction and kept in the back ground most of the time while characters like Ock and Electro do more things. That could be really cool. Though, of course, we wouldn't want him to be a character who we hardly see.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

The only way Spidey should defeat the Sinister Six is by having them turn against each other, it would be pretty cool and kinda humorous.

[Venom'sDad]

Personally, I would have done the Sinister Six before Venom; show the power and effect of the Symbiote... if you know what I mean.

[Spider-ManHero12]

The only way Spidey should defeat the Sinister Six is by having them turn against each other, it would be pretty cool and kinda humorous. Well, they could do it in the style of Return Of The Sinister Six story or The SPectacular Spider-Man animated series. You know, where they sort of rush him at once. I haven't read the Return Of The Sinister Six story in a while, so I may have forgotten, but if I remember correctly, they do.

[Artistsean]

In the original Ock has organized it so Spider-man faces them one by one, I guess hoping to tire Spider-Man out by the time he gets to Ock. (Like how Bane tired Batman out by releasing all the criminals in Arkham.)
In the end however he is able to defeat them, probably easier, because they didn't team up in the fights.
Perhaps the movie could somehow use that, whoever puts the group together creates a strategy so that in the end Spider-Man is tired and easier to beat, leaving the leader of the Six to kill Spider-Man and take all the glory.
Or maybe the team is just so dysfunctional, since they are criminals and bad guys who don't really trust each other, that in the end they defeat themselves.

"Now you know. It's me."
"Riiight.... Who are you?"
"You put me away!"
"I did? Cool!"
"Oh, c'mon! I was working with Chameleon!"
"Right - you were.... the crewman!"
"The waiter!! 'Demitoss, Spider-Man?'"
That's a bit closer. :word: (Yeah, I'm that geeky.)
Personally, I can't see Mysterio being able to pose as a psychiatrist if Beck is a known criminal. Even under a false alias, the NYPD isn't that stupid. Plus, giving him two identities could be confusing for non-Spidey fans - if they were to adapt ASM #24 (which I would love to see), I'd say that the psychiatrist could actually be using his real name - Quentin Beck! Unless, of course, Beck was well-established in a prior movie.
I'm fine with the revenge motivation, but I don't think the classic "You put me away." would work as well here. For one thing, if Beck's publicly psychoanalyzing Spider-Man, somewhere down the line, someone would check his credentials. Even JJJ isn't obsessive enough not to ensure that his source is reliable.
So perhaps, Beck actually is a psychiatrist, but Spider-Man somehow messed him up. I don't know, just a basic undeveloped thought.


But that is one of Jameson's downfalls, he rushes things and lets his blind hatred of Spider-Man bite him in the butt. That is also why he creates Scorpion.
Plus, I think someone who can create holographic illusions that seem real, robots, and mechanically recreate Spider-man's powers, would be very capable of faking identification and a fake person.
And Just like in the comic, throughout the movie one of the Daily Bugle employees (like Hoffman, giving him a bigger part) is researching this Psychiatrist under orders of Robbie (because he knows how Jonah jumps the gun a lot) and in the end he finds out the truth. Jameson races to confront the Psychiatrist and ends up as one of the many hostage types Spider-Man has to save. In the end I can see Spider-Man having to save MJ, Aunt May (who maybe went to confront Peter about being Spider-Man), Jameson, Robbie (giving him a bigger part), Captain Stacey and some cops, and some others, from Mysterio.
(Jameson can even have a line like "I hope Parker is getting some good pictures of this!")

[Artistsean]

Rhino: (not saying he should play him, it would depend on the role and the amount of acting required too) but someone at least with the similar build and look to him (face and proportion):
Bock Lesnar
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/artistsean/cast%20anything/rhino.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/artistsean/cast%20anything/rhino1.jpg

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Whoever plays Rhino, I would LOVE a scene like this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/artistsean/onjuggysback.jpg
Just replace Juggernaut with Rhino.
Spider-man may be outmatched in strength but he never gives up.

[Captain America]

Lizzard and Morbius are my top picks

[sauronthegreat]

I think villains that are not that powerful or are just not that smart should form a film version of Sinister Six.

Mysterio - leader and the most powerful on the team, the one that holds the strings

Vulture - the flying support and inteligence on the team, also a weapons specialist

Kraven or Scorpion - the hunter and physical opponent to SM (depending who should get his own movie, if Kraven gets his chance with Lizard in a film then it would be Scorpion, or if Scorpion gets his chance with the Spider-Slayers or Vulture then it should be Kraven)

Shocker - the firing offence

Rhino - the brawns of the team

Chameleon - the espionage and infiltration specialist


Once again I would choose this villains to form a film version of SS. Taking in consideration Ock's story was done spectacular and finished, and Sandman's also over in crime. Maybe I would like Sandman to appear in a film with a sole villain Electro, as a support to Spider-Man. And I believe this would be the only chance to see characters like Rhino, Shocker or Chameleon on screen.

[SpideyFan914]

Well, they could do it in the style of Return Of The Sinister Six story or The SPectacular Spider-Man animated series. You know, where they sort of rush him at once. I haven't read the Return Of The Sinister Six story in a while, so I may have forgotten, but if I remember correctly, they do.
That's the one where Ock betrays them. I forget exactly how and why, but.... yeah....

In the original Ock has organized it so Spider-man faces them one by one, I guess hoping to tire Spider-Man out by the time he gets to Ock. (Like how Bane tired Batman out by releasing all the criminals in Arkham.)
In the end however he is able to defeat them, probably easier, because they didn't team up in the fights.
Perhaps the movie could somehow use that, whoever puts the group together creates a strategy so that in the end Spider-Man is tired and easier to beat, leaving the leader of the Six to kill Spider-Man and take all the glory.
Or maybe the team is just so dysfunctional, since they are criminals and bad guys who don't really trust each other, that in the end they defeat themselves.

If Spidey fights them one-by-one, they each have little more than one scene, and they each become uninteresting.
If they all fight Spider-Man at once, it's hard to comprehend how they lose, and none of them get any characterization at all, creating a Fox-type action movie.
If Spidey wins with the help of another, the movie becomes even more cluttered, and the characters become even less interesting.
If the team is dysfunctional and they all turn against each other, they all act as one, and their characters seem too similar, thus drawing a flatline.

You see where I'm going with this?


But that is one of Jameson's downfalls, he rushes things and lets his blind hatred of Spider-Man bite him in the butt. That is also why he creates Scorpion.
Plus, I think someone who can create holographic illusions that seem real, robots, and mechanically recreate Spider-man's powers, would be very capable of faking identification and a fake person.
And Just like in the comic, throughout the movie one of the Daily Bugle employees (like Hoffman, giving him a bigger part) is researching this Psychiatrist under orders of Robbie (because he knows how Jonah jumps the gun a lot) and in the end he finds out the truth. Jameson races to confront the Psychiatrist and ends up as one of the many hostage types Spider-Man has to save. In the end I can see Spider-Man having to save MJ, Aunt May (who maybe went to confront Peter about being Spider-Man), Jameson, Robbie (giving him a bigger part), Captain Stacey and some cops, and some others, from Mysterio.
(Jameson can even have a line like "I hope Parker is getting some good pictures of this!")
Okay, I like this. But.... not so many hostages.... We definitely need to MJ to be a hostage again, but I like the idea of JJJ or Robbie getting captured. Captain Stacy too. But no more than two hostages - I think we'd have a lot of chemistry between JJJ and Stacy (e.g. Opening Night), so that would be my pick. Plus, it would be great for them to avoid the stereotypical "damsel-in-distress".

Rhino: (not saying he should play him, it would depend on the role and the amount of acting required too) but someone at least with the similar build and look to him (face and proportion):
Bock Lesnar
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/artistsean/cast%20anything/rhino.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/artistsean/cast%20anything/rhino1.jpg

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Whoever plays Rhino, I would LOVE a scene like this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/artistsean/onjuggysback.jpg
Just replace Juggernaut with Rhino.
Spider-man may be outmatched in strength but he never gives up.
Okay, that guy does look like Rhino.
That scene's great, too - I love the Spidey v. Juggernaut story!
However, I would not want Rhino in a movie. At best, he could be a single-scene villain, like what we were talking about earlier with Ringmaster, Enforcerers, and Hammerhead. Of course, then we'd need to fiddle with an origin, so it would need become a necessary part of the plot. Also, for a guy who only appears in one scene, I can't see Spidey having that much trouble with him....
So.... it probably wouldn't work, IMO. Sorry.

[Artistsean]

That's the one where Ock betrays them. I forget exactly how and why, but.... yeah....


If Spidey fights them one-by-one, they each have little more than one scene, and they each become uninteresting.
If they all fight Spider-Man at once, it's hard to comprehend how they lose, and none of them get any characterization at all, creating a Fox-type action movie.
If Spidey wins with the help of another, the movie becomes even more cluttered, and the characters become even less interesting.
If the team is dysfunctional and they all turn against each other, they all act as one, and their characters seem too similar, thus drawing a flatline.

You see where I'm going with this?

I do, and I agree. Making a good, and watchable, Sinister Six movie would be extremely difficult. And may never happen. But if it was possible it would be sooo Good to see Spider-Man versus the Sinister Six on the big screen. The drama, the major conflict would be "How will Spider-Man fight 6 major bad guys at once?" Thats always been what the Sinsiter Six is about. So I don't see a problem with Peter eventually being able to figure out how to beat them or never giving up until they are done. But it would be hard to fill a movie with six bad guys, Spider-Man, MJ, Aunt May, The Daily Bugle, and so on, and still have it work. But if it could somehow...

Okay, I like this. But.... not so many hostages.... We definitely need to MJ to be a hostage again, but I like the idea of JJJ or Robbie getting captured. Captain Stacy too. But no more than two hostages - I think we'd have a lot of chemistry between JJJ and Stacy (e.g. Opening Night), so that would be my pick. Plus, it would be great for them to avoid the stereotypical "damsel-in-distress".

I agree, All we would need is maybe MJ (who wouldn't be so scared this time), Robbie, Jameson, and Captain Stacey. But I was just trying to set up a few on lookers to Spider-Man's and Mysterio's fight at the end of the movie, a captive audience to Spider-Man's (and Peter's) redemption.
With MJ I don't see her being the typical damsel in distress anymore. Not that she is sued to it, but she goes to investigate the psychiatrist who has been hurting Peter (maybe talk to him) and she ends up stumbling into getting trapped by Mysterio. Jameson and Robbie, and Captain Stacey follow soon after. MJ wouldn't be screaming for her life because she has faith in Peter.
Aunt May could be at home this whole time too, her story is more about her finding out about Peter being Spider-Man anyway.

Okay, that guy does look like Rhino.
That scene's great, too - I love the Spidey v. Juggernaut story!
However, I would not want Rhino in a movie. At best, he could be a single-scene villain, like what we were talking about earlier with Ringmaster, Enforcerers, and Hammerhead. Of course, then we'd need to fiddle with an origin, so it would need become a necessary part of the plot. Also, for a guy who only appears in one scene, I can't see Spidey having that much trouble with him....
So.... it probably wouldn't work, IMO. Sorry.
Rhino could be more of a back up or side character, more like the muscle to the Vulture's plan. We see him created, we see him fight Spider-Man a few times, but mostly the main bad guy would be someone like Electro or the Vulture or whoever. Thats how I see Rhino working. Since he is sort of a character without much character there wouldn't need to be a lot of time waited on him other than to show him created and using his powers a few times (like a scene where Spider-Man is trying to stop him while being pummeled to death, like the Juggernaut scene.)


Mysterio's motivation, mentioned earlier, could be that he was captured by Spider-Man and sent to prison. But Spider-Man doesn't remember because he stops so many regular thugs and criminals. Maybe Beck was just robbing a bank, running out, and Spider-Man sprays him with a web-net sticking him to a wall.
Its a major event in Beck's life, but a few minutes to Spider-Man.
Maybe that could even be shown in the opener, on his way to fighting some super criminal like Hammerhead, the Enforcers, of Crime Circus, Spidey takes a few minutes to stop a bank robber. (But then how could he be waiting all this time? We would have to show that it was before the events of the Black suit somehow... Or just show it in a flashback as Beck tells Spider-Man his motivation then.)

I think Beck would make a great bad guy too, so smart he has to tell Spider-Man his whole plan at the end. To let Spider-Man know how much work and planning he did. He has to get the credit.

A great joke would be, if at the end of all this when Peter and MJ are talking, Peter could briefly say "I didn't reveal my identity this time." It wouldn't be the last line of the movie or anything, just a short scene, maybe while they are entering Aunt May's house. Aunt May's story could end with her knowing but us not knowing if she will tell Peter or not. Her, and us the audience, not knowing how she will handle it.

[Artistsean]

NinjaCarm (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=14409) had some cool ideas for Mysterio that I hadn't thought of, but would work very well in a Mysterio movie.
Posted here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=332446

NinjaCarm (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=14409) mentions doing things like making Venom bigger and make Green goblin look closer to his comic appearance or more menacing, since Mysterio is actually using a holographic image of Venom and Green Goblin, perhaps it would be reasonable that he would want them to look scarier.
That could be done for the final scene, when Mysterio is using everything has has against Spider-Man (including scarier holographic images of his old enemies.) When Spider-Man is first tricked by the images of Venom, Sandman, Green Goblin, and Doc Ock, they need to look like their original appearances in the movies.
example:
Spider-Man is swinging through the city worried about the article, when he is suddenly attacked by Doc Ock. Peter tries to talk to Octavious, while avoiding his attacks, but he doesn't respond. Peter eventually has to retaliate with a punch of his own. But when Spider-Man punches, Octavious is suddenly gone, and Spider-Man punches a brick wall sending chunks of brick and debris falling to the ground bellow.
People on the ground look up and see Spider-Man swinging away.

The scene where he sees the Green Goblin again can be similar, where Peter tries to call to Norman, but all Norman responds with his creepy laughter. Peter, in a spider-web swinging scene, chases after the Green Goblin as the Goblin races through the city (sort of like the scene in Spider-Man 3 where Harry chases after Peter). Peter eventually turns a corner and the Goblin is gone.

Or how about the scene with Sandman, Sandman becomes the giant sand creature, like in the scene where he comes out of that truck and punches those guards. Sandman becomes a sand creature, and punches down on Spider-Man but Spider-Man passes right through like nothing was there, as Sandman punches he too vanishes.

[Artistsean]

Another scene that would be great if they ever did a Rhino movie,
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/UltimateMarvelteamUp-PhilHester.jpg
Ultimate Spider-Man vs. Ultimate Hulk,
but imagine the Rhino
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/540692-bp1.jpg
instead of the Hulk. Spider-Man is fighting the Rhino, who is clearly stronger than him and Spdiey is giving everything he has. In a desperate act Spider-Man throws a car on him, only to find the Rhino completely unharmed.

[Matt Mortem]

That would be cool, but can movie-verse Spidey lift that much?

[SpideyFan914]

I agree, All we would need is maybe MJ (who wouldn't be so scared this time), Robbie, Jameson, and Captain Stacey. But I was just trying to set up a few on lookers to Spider-Man's and Mysterio's fight at the end of the movie, a captive audience to Spider-Man's (and Peter's) redemption.
With MJ I don't see her being the typical damsel in distress anymore. Not that she is sued to it, but she goes to investigate the psychiatrist who has been hurting Peter (maybe talk to him) and she ends up stumbling into getting trapped by Mysterio. Jameson and Robbie, and Captain Stacey follow soon after. MJ wouldn't be screaming for her life because she has faith in Peter.
Aunt May could be at home this whole time too, her story is more about her finding out about Peter being Spider-Man anyway.

Eh.... I think I've had enough of MJ getting captured, regardless of circumstances....
Robbie doesn't really seem necessary, though depending on how the story unfolds, it wouldn't be unreasonable.


Rhino could be more of a back up or side character, more like the muscle to the Vulture's plan. We see him created, we see him fight Spider-Man a few times, but mostly the main bad guy would be someone like Electro or the Vulture or whoever. Thats how I see Rhino working. Since he is sort of a character without much character there wouldn't need to be a lot of time waited on him other than to show him created and using his powers a few times (like a scene where Spider-Man is trying to stop him while being pummeled to death, like the Juggernaut scene.)

To me, this reads as, "could be X1 or X3."


Mysterio's motivation, mentioned earlier, could be that he was captured by Spider-Man and sent to prison. But Spider-Man doesn't remember because he stops so many regular thugs and criminals. Maybe Beck was just robbing a bank, running out, and Spider-Man sprays him with a web-net sticking him to a wall.
Its a major event in Beck's life, but a few minutes to Spider-Man.
Maybe that could even be shown in the opener, on his way to fighting some super criminal like Hammerhead, the Enforcers, of Crime Circus, Spidey takes a few minutes to stop a bank robber. (But then how could he be waiting all this time? We would have to show that it was before the events of the Black suit somehow... Or just show it in a flashback as Beck tells Spider-Man his motivation then.)
Honestly.... I still feel like that's not enough. It's not that he doesn't have the motivation, just not enough motivation to make the conflict interesting enough. You'd have to really show it being a traumatic experience for Beck. If you don't mind adding a touch of sympathy (I know some are crazy about that), then it could work pretty well. Or else.... you'd need something else.


I think Beck would make a great bad guy too, so smart he has to tell Spider-Man his whole plan at the end. To let Spider-Man know how much work and planning he did. He has to get the credit.

A great joke would be, if at the end of all this when Peter and MJ are talking, Peter could briefly say "I didn't reveal my identity this time." It wouldn't be the last line of the movie or anything, just a short scene, maybe while they are entering Aunt May's house. Aunt May's story could end with her knowing but us not knowing if she will tell Peter or not. Her, and us the audience, not knowing how she will handle it.
Yes and yes.

NinjaCarm (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=14409) had some cool ideas for Mysterio that I hadn't thought of, but would work very well in a Mysterio movie.
Posted here: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=332446

NinjaCarm (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=14409) mentions doing things like making Venom bigger and make Green goblin look closer to his comic appearance or more menacing, since Mysterio is actually using a holographic image of Venom and Green Goblin, perhaps it would be reasonable that he would want them to look scarier.
That could be done for the final scene, when Mysterio is using everything has has against Spider-Man (including scarier holographic images of his old enemies.) When Spider-Man is first tricked by the images of Venom, Sandman, Green Goblin, and Doc Ock, they need to look like their original appearances in the movies.
example:
Spider-Man is swinging through the city worried about the article, when he is suddenly attacked by Doc Ock. Peter tries to talk to Octavious, while avoiding his attacks, but he doesn't respond. Peter eventually has to retaliate with a punch of his own. But when Spider-Man punches, Octavious is suddenly gone, and Spider-Man punches a brick wall sending chunks of brick and debris falling to the ground bellow.
People on the ground look up and see Spider-Man swinging away.

The scene where he sees the Green Goblin again can be similar, where Peter tries to call to Norman, but all Norman responds with his creepy laughter. Peter, in a spider-web swinging scene, chases after the Green Goblin as the Goblin races through the city (sort of like the scene in Spider-Man 3 where Harry chases after Peter). Peter eventually turns a corner and the Goblin is gone.

Or how about the scene with Sandman, Sandman becomes the giant sand creature, like in the scene where he comes out of that truck and punches those guards. Sandman becomes a sand creature, and punches down on Spider-Man but Spider-Man passes right through like nothing was there, as Sandman punches he too vanishes.
Not sure if Alfred Molino or Thomas Hayden Church would sign on for cameo roles.... Then again, Willem Dafoe did - twice!

Another scene that would be great if they ever did a Rhino movie,
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/UltimateMarvelteamUp-PhilHester.jpg
Ultimate Spider-Man vs. Ultimate Hulk,
but imagine the Rhino
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/540692-bp1.jpg
instead of the Hulk. Spider-Man is fighting the Rhino, who is clearly stronger than him and Spdiey is giving everything he has. In a desperate act Spider-Man throws a car on him, only to find the Rhino completely unharmed.
That could be a good beginning or ending to the fight.

That would be cool, but can movie-verse Spidey lift that much?
It's just a tax.... In SM2, he held back a whole train!!

[Goran]

Some weeks ago, when the Tombstone rumor came up, there was a big discussion on these boards, whether it is possible or not to translate an afro-american albino from the comics onto the big screen.

This is model Shaun Ross, he IS an afro-american albino:
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/kokigoran/shaunrossalbino.jpg

Maybe the Tombstone rumor turns out to be true If so, this is how he could look like.

[Artistsean]

That would be cool, Tombstone could be (almost a Dark Knight type cameo, without being a rip off) Showing that Spider-Man fights mobster types too. (I am not familiar with him really other than his appearences on the cartoons where he is a mob muscle or a mob boss).

Eh.... I think I've had enough of MJ getting captured, regardless of circumstances....
Robbie doesn't really seem necessary, though depending on how the story unfolds, it wouldn't be unreasonable.

Yeah, I agree. I am sure Kirsten would too. Her character should have a bigger part than just there to comfort Peter but I am not sure what... yet.
But I agree, no more damsel in distress. I just want her character to show that she loves Peter greatly and trusts him so much she doesn't even believe that he could be the robber and having a break down and all that. She does need to do something, maybe her story and Aunt May's story could intertwine.

To me, this reads as, "could be X1 or X3."
I just mean, he is a great Spider-Man villain and to get him on the big screen something like that, similar but better than X2 or X3, would have to be done. Otherwise he wouldn't be needed. I just was coming up with ideas for him, not saying that he should be in a movie.


Honestly.... I still feel like that's not enough. It's not that he doesn't have the motivation, just not enough motivation to make the conflict interesting enough. You'd have to really show it being a traumatic experience for Beck. If you don't mind adding a touch of sympathy (I know some are crazy about that), then it could work pretty well. Or else.... you'd need something else.
Again, I agree. His motivation has to be good enough to justify him putting on the costume, and menacing Spider-Man, and plotting all the stuff. I for one wouldn't mind adding some sympathy to his character, bad guys don't see themselves as bad. But I just don't want him to be connected to Peter, like making him Flash Thompson who found out who Peter really was and wants to humiliate him for what he did to him in school and for stealing MJ. I want him to be sort of not connected to Peter.



Not sure if Alfred Molino or Thomas Hayden Church would sign on for cameo roles.... Then again, Willem Dafoe did - twice!
Alfred has said he would like to reappeare, not sure about Church or Dafoe, although I heard that Dafoe could return (probably a flash back) so why not. And if Church didn't want back, just have Sandman be in his sand form for those few minutes. In the comics Mysterio uses videos from TV I guess, so its like playing a scene from a movie anyway, maybe they could figure out how to use clips from the movies using those character without them looking like they are just scenes from a movie.
But if the actors sign on, or if they can pull off using stand in sand forms, then that would work too. These scenes are so short, they shouldn't distract from Mysterio, and they shouldn't make the movie too expensive either.

I think the final scene, where Mysterio has a few hostages, would be at a special effects factory, so Mysterio's motivation could come from that. The 90s cartoon had Mysterio want revenge against Spider-Man for something like Spidey finding out he was responsible for a dangerous effect that nearly killed everyone and got him not only fired but jail time too.
But I don't know about something like that for the movie.
But the end scene being at an FX factory could lead to Mysterio throwing every effect he has at Peter.

Oh, and the grid on his costume could somehow be connected to holographic imagery, sort of like how Mystiques scales twisted when she was morphing. Maybe Mysterio's grid changes.
like this
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cast%20anything/mystique.jpg
That way it might explain his wacky grid costume design.

[Heyparker]

Hope this isn't accurate...

http://www.iesb.net/extensions/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7951:spider-man-4-production-on-indefinite-hold&catid=43:exclusive-features&Itemid=73

[crimsonspider89]

I say that is good news. Says Sony is more in touch with fans. Maybe will end up being the Lizard or Electro afterall. They may have read forums and comments after the supposed leaks.

[craigdbfan]

Not good news. Last time Raimi got into a fight with Sony we got a little something called SM3.

If Raimi doesn't get his way he'll have Pete/SM do an entire damn musical with Shocker and the Rhino. I kid (maybe).

"An inside source working on the project tells IESB that there are some major issues director Sam Raimi is dealing with that include an incomplete script. And why is the script incomplete? Looks like Raimi and the studio heads at Sony Pictures can't agree upon a villain for the film.

Raimi is pushing hard for the Vulture to be the big baddie, something he also pushed for in the third film to star alongside the Sandman but didn't get and we all know how that one turned out. Vulture was to do his evil deeds alongside the new Goblin and Sandman. A single concept art sketch can be seen in "The Art of Spider-Man 3" book. Vulture and Flint Marko would have been cellmates who escaped together, with Vulture pressuring the more passive Marko into committing crimes.

On the flip side, who does the studio want to be the villain? Our source says they seem to only be interested in featuring which ever character is selling books right now but basically they have no idea, just not the Vulture.

So, production on SPIDER-M4N grinded to a halt this past Thursday and isn't budging until some compromises are made. Sony is in a bit of a dilemna though because they are insistent upon getting a film shooting as soon as possible. Our source also said these issues aren't being handled in the most friendliest of fashions. There is apparently some definite anger within the production with several people very "pissed off".

Perhaps they will use the time over the holidays to calm down in order to make some compromises to decide which way the film will be headed as the new year begins in January.

Really hope this gets straighten out peacefully otherwise this wouldn't spell well for the rest of production...

[crimsonspider89]

If Raimi does what he did with SM3, he needs to be fired. I think this could be due to the public outcry of the Vulturess being leaked. That idea may have been true and Sony is trying to save us.

[craigdbfan]

Like they did with Venom? :huh:

Its never good for either the studio or the director when these heated disagreements happen.

It affects production. SM3 is a good example. Again a repeat scenario wouldn't be a good thing.

Not saying I like the Vulturess idea, I actually really don't fancy it but maybe Sony should just let him do what he wants.

It worked for SM1 & SM2 why not SM4? That should be their mind set, obviously thats not the case though.

Hope they solve this with both parties in good terms.

[crimsonspider89]

I mean, if he does the same thing he did with SM3, they need to fire him. Do we really want the Vulturess in the movie? Seriously? I would take another SM3 over that any day. ANY DAY!

[DarthDaveBanner]

Disagreements with Sony execs? I thought Raimi had full creative control this time?

[Rodrigo90]

Even Raimi is admitting that Vulture is a crap villain. Sony want him in,he doesnt.

[Oscorp]

I think you got it the wrong way, Rodrigo...

[spider-neil]

I think its GREAT news. vulture is 'THE' worst spidey villian, 'ANY' villian sony ram down sams throat will be better.

GO SONY!! I'm behind you 100%

[Rodrigo90]

Its just that I read that Raimi doesnt want him as the villain. Or is it Sony doesnt want him as the villain?

[spider-neil]

Its just that I read that Raimi doesnt want him as the villain. Or is it Sony doesnt want him as the villain?

sam wants him sony doesn't. seems sony is in more touch with the fans than sam. I propbably visited every spidey site since the vulture new broke and the forums were in meltdown and not in a good way.

[Spider-Fan83]

the studio is making the same mistake as they did with 3, in actually listing too the fanboys (no offense, guys, sorry to say it, cause that includes myself, but, its true) and just wanting to go with the more popular villain

I am think that (as others have said) maybe some of these rumors floating around, might actually be real, and the studio is freaking out about, it getting out and the reactions they’ve been getting

[spider-neil]

also I would rather see S4 with a good villian in 2012 than S4 in 2011 with a crap villian

[Rodrigo90]

Its seems I have misjudged Sony. There I was thinking Sam was going to be good again.

We fans are dangerous. Sony CEO probably recieved death threats,lol.

[spider-neil]

the studio, is making the same mistake as they did with 3, in actually listing too the fanboys (no offense, guys, sorry to say it, cause that includes myself, but, it true) and just wanting to go with the more popular villain

I am think that (as others have said) maybe some of these rumors floating around, might actually be real, and the studio is freaking out about, it getting out and the reactions they’ve been getting

SM3 would have sucked regardless as 3 villians is too much, you can't develope any of them. I said this BEFORE I saw the movie so this isn't hindsight. and before someone mentions TDK, scarecrow was on screen for like 5 minutes and two faces was horribly rushed (I'm sorry he was).

sony shouldn't have stuck their nose in SM3 but if they are trying to make sam get rid of the vulture then I'm totally behind them.

GO SONY!!! get rid of the vulture before it's too late.

[spider-neil]

sony tell sam he's been developing curt conners 2 two movies, tell him to stop teasing the fans and bring the lizard to the big screen. they've waited patiently enough now.

[Rodrigo90]

3 wasnt bad just for the villains...THE CAMPINESS.

[spider-neil]

3 wasnt bad just for the villains...THE CAMPINESS.

that's true, sam can't blame that on sony.


GO SONY!!! oh, save us sony-1, you're our only hope...

[zeptron]

Disagreements with Sony execs? I thought Raimi had full creative control this time?

Yeah, that should mean that the studio can't tell him which villains to use and not to use.

But if that Vultress thing was true then I have to go with Sony on this. Because that would have been the death of this franchise. Spidey 3 already chased away some fans. And they sure as hell aren't gonna get them back with that.

I'm not against Vulture, but there are a couple of other villains I'd like to see before him. Bring on Lizard and Electro.

[spider-neil]

Yeah, that should mean that the studio can't tell him which villains to use and not to use.

But if that Vultress thing was true then I have to go with Sony on this. Because that would have been the death of this franchise. Spidey 3 already chased away some fans. And they sure as hell aren't gonna get them back with that.

I'm not against Vulture, but there are a couple of other villains I'd like to see before him. Bring on Lizard and Electro.

chased away fans domestically? worldwide SM3 was more successful than SM1 and SM2

[zeptron]

chased away fans domestically? worldwide SM3 was more successful than SM1 and SM2

True, a lot of people did see SM3, but they hated it and decided to write off any future installments. Which is pretty close-minded IMO.

I've lost count of how many times I've seen comments like "SM3 sucked, so this will suck too!" or "Raimi is the worst director ever!"

And you know why it made the most money? Because of Venom. Instead of being patient and waiting for Raimi to finish with the Goblin story, he forced Venom in the movie in order to sell tickets and please fanboys.

[Eggyman]

chased away fans domestically? worldwide SM3 was more successful than SM1 and SM2

3 was that successful because of the first two. People didn't know how sh** it was until after they'd seen it.

[spider-neil]

3 was that successful because of the first two. People didn't know how sh** it was until after they'd seen it.

playing devil's advocate the nnumbers went down domestically but up internationally, so you can't apply that logic across the board.

[spider-neil]

I really hope this morning sony and sam are watching the trailer for iron man and freaking out. THAT looks absolutely kick arse. spidey is badly getting left behind.

[Eggyman]

I really hope this morning sony and sam are watching the trailer for iron man and freaking out. THAT looks absolutely kick arse. spidey is badly getting left behind.

Like I was saying in the other thread, they should stop worrying about teaching Parker lessons and start thinking of what would best make for a great story where *action* as well as drama has a high priority.

[spider-neil]

Like I was saying in the other thread, they should stop worrying about teaching Parker lessons and start thinking of what would best make for a great story where *action* as well as drama has a high priority.


absolutely agree. peter loves mj, okay we 'get it' move on already.
do you think SM4 is going to be pushed back a year if they change the villian (PLEASE change the vulture sam/sony)?

[zeptron]

I agree also. I would like to see more Spider-man too. I mean he was hardly in the third movie. It took him like 30 minutes to show up. If it was an origin movie that's understandable, but come on now this was the second sequel.

[Eggyman]

absolutely agree. peter loves mj, okay we 'get it' move on already.
do you think SM4 is going to be pushed back a year if they change the villian (PLEASE change the vulture sam/sony)?

I would hope so. Something about the Vulture just doesn't do it for me, and that's not even getting into all that Vulturess bullsh**. Don't get me wrong, if there's a lesson Pete can learn that comes naturally from a good story then fine, but story should come first... without feeling like it needs to push a load of marals down our respective throats.

[spider-neil]

I agree also. I would like to see more Spider-man too. I mean he was hardly in the third movie. It took him like 30 minutes to show up. If it was an origin movie that's understandable, but come on now this was the second sequel.

I don't mind not seeing spidey if the void is filled with something compelling. in SM2 I was enjoying pete's life going to the dogs because of spidey and how his life improved when he gave up the costume. in SM3 it was compelling at all it was played for laughs with him dancing.

if lizard was in the fourth movie and they concentrated on conners and his family I would have no problem with that whatsoever.

[spider-neil]

I would hope so. Something about the Vulture just doesn't do it for me, and that's not even getting into all that Vulturess bullsh**. Don't get me wrong, if there's a lesson Pete can learn that comes naturally from a good story then fine, but story should come first... without feeling like it needs to push a load of marals down our respective throats.

I don't think SM4 will get pushed back a year, but have you seen how many movies are coming out in summer 2011. there are too many movies coming out for all of them to be a success.

off the top of my head
thor
captain america
green lantern
shrek 4
sm 4
tranformers 3
POTC 4

if you are looking for a movie to avoid then spider-man 4 with a lamearse vulture villian is entirely too easy a choice

[Eggyman]

Yeh, it needs something a bit more special than a bald old dude to return it to its rightful throne at the top of the pile. Something a bit more dazzling - like a beefed-up Electro shooting lightening out of his arse...

Wait! How the fu** is Vulture synonymous with New York? Anyone else remember Raimi saying something about the villain being very New York centric??

I do. Vulture doesn't scream New York to me. Not one bit.

[spider-neil]

Yeh, it needs something a bit more special than a bald old dude to return it to its rightful throne at the top of the pile. Something a bit more dazzling - like a beefed-up Electro shooting lightening out of his arse...

Wait! How the fu** is Vulture synonymous with New York? Anyone else remember Raimi saying something about the villain being very New York centric??

I do. Vulture doesn't scream New York to me. Not one bit.

if news of the vulture gets confirmed I think I will throw up in my mouth.
this news is making me wish I was a batman/iron man fan.

[Eggyman]

if news of the vulture gets confirmed I think I will throw up in my mouth.
this news is making me wish I was a batman/iron man fan.

I will also throw up in mine to keep you company, and then we can rinse, brush, and floss together... in Batman jammies. I am deeply underwhelmed with news of Vulture. It could, in hindsight, go either way. It has a chance to be true because we know he was used in early drafts of the last film. It is also true, and for the same reason, that this could be an educated piece of bullsh**.

[Adrian89]

I'm fine with The Vulture (as long as there will be another villain at least, hopefully The Lizard), but I do think that there are better deserving villains such as The Scorpion, Shocker, Kraven, Mysterio and of course, The Lizard. So I'm really not to keen on this if their choice turns out to be The Vulture only, to be honest.

[spider-neil]

I'm fine with The Vulture (as long as there will be another villain at least, hopefully The Lizard), but I do think that there are better deserving villains such as The Scorpion, Shocker, Kraven, Mysterio and of course, The Lizard. So I'm really not to keen on this if their choice turns out to be The Vulture only, to be honest.

I've never like the vulture, never. not in the comics and not in the cartoons. a truly lame villian. I remember reading a comic where the human torch takes down vulture in about 5 seconds flat and says 'YOU gave spidey problems?'

utterly lame. if sony is trying to make sam see sense then I'm 100% behind them.

[zeptron]

I'm not against Vulture. But like I said before I would like to see other villains before him. I find him underrated. He could be a great villain. However having him by himself wouldn't satisfy me.

If he is used they'll definitely need to update his costume. The green and white costume would look too goofy onscreen. If they were to change the suit a bit and added more black and made it more like an armored-plated suit instead of spandex and feathers it would definitely work, especially if Ben Kingsley played him. Also give him some weapons to make him more menacing and dangerous. Such as grenades he can drop or razor sharp steel talons.

He can adapt to the sky more than Spidey can. He can much faster and higher. Plus in the air, Spidey can only go so high before there's nothing for him to cling or web to stay up there. vulture doesn't need to because of his wings. so really, the higher Spidey goes, the more dangerous it is for him and the better chances of Vulture beating him becomes. Spidey's even stated in the comics that he fears Vulture more than almost any other villain he's faced because of that fact

[spider-neil]

I'm not against Vulture. But like I said before I would like to see other villains before him. I find him underrated. He could be a great villain. However having him by himself wouldn't satisfy me.

If he is used they'll definitely need to update his costume. The green and white costume would look too goofy onscreen. If they were to change the suit a bit and added more black and made it more like an armored-plated suit instead of spandex and feathers it would definitely work, especially if Ben Kingsley played him. Also give him some weapons to make him more menacing and dangerous. Such as grenades he can drop or razor sharp steel talons.

He can adapt to the sky more than Spidey can. He can much faster and higher. Plus in the air, Spidey can only go so high before there's nothing for him to cling or web to stay up there. vulture doesn't need to because of his wings. so really, the higher Spidey goes, the more dangerous it is for him and the better chances of Vulture beating him becomes. Spidey's even stated in the comics that he fears Vulture more than almost any other villain he's faced because of that fact


steel wings
feathers that shoot out
razor talons

you could have a scene where the police shot at vulture and vulture uses his wings as a sheild (batfink eat you heart out lol!).:awesome:

[Adrian89]

I've never like the vulture, never. not in the comics and not in the cartoons. a truly lame villian. I remember reading a comic where the human torch takes down vulture in about 5 seconds flat and says 'YOU gave spidey problems?'

utterly lame. if sony is trying to make sam see sense then I'm 100% behind them.
Well I never really liked him either and don't find him that exciting at all, therefore...

.... I'd also be happy if he won't be in the movie. But we don't know for sure yet if Raimi added him in the first place for example, cause these are just rumours after all. I rather have Carnage haha, although a lot of people would disagree on that, but I don't give a damn. It's my oppinion.:cwink:

[Dr.Dude]

Ignoring these ridiculous and clearly fake "Vulturess" rumors for a moment...

As much as I love the Lizard, I'd be absolutely thrilled if we actually got the Vulture in this movie. I've always thought he was one of the all-time most underrated Spider-Man villains.

At first glance he might not seem unique or visually interesting enough but think about it; remember the aerial battle at the beginning of Spider-Man 3? With Vulture, we can take that to a whole new level. As far as the character himself goes, Vulture would be best done in a style similar to Norman Osborn in the first movie, portrayed as as a vicious character who, though he's placed in a sympathetic predicament--a human one, really--is also irredeemable, far too old and bitter to change his ways now. I'd like to see them use something along the lines of JM Dematties' cancer storyline, where Toomes finds out he has terminal cancer and instead of living his last days in peace, he instead seeks violent revenge on everyone who ever wronged him before it's too late.

Luckily, it does seem that Raimi recognizes the bitterness inherent to the character, judging from the dark way he wanted to portray him in SM3.

As far as him being old, well hell, that's the point! A vulture is a wrinkly, bald, old-looking bird, so Adrian Toomes is a wrinkly, bald old man.

[Artistsean]

SM3 would have sucked regardless as 3 villians is too much, you can't develope any of them. I said this BEFORE I saw the movie so this isn't hindsight. and before someone mentions TDK, scarecrow was on screen for like 5 minutes and two faces was horribly rushed (I'm sorry he was).

sony shouldn't have stuck their nose in SM3 but if they are trying to make Sam get rid of the vulture then I'm totally behind them.

GO SONY!!! get rid of the vulture before it's too late.

Well, imagine if Sam was able to put Vulture in (instead of Sony forcing him to add in Venom).
We may not have had to do the Black suit Spider-Man storyline at all. Then the movie could have focused on Sandman and Vulture (starting as cell mates and turning into a team against Spider-Man)
While keeping the New Green Goblin story in tact. It would have been a much less complicated, and better, movie.

Personally I think the Vulture would be a great villain to use, and imagine what a character character he could be if someone like Ben Kingsly or John Malcovich played him.
(Vulture is a self made bad guy, unlike the others featured there was no accident that made him powerful or evil, he made his own suit and decided to use it for crime.)

Whoever the bad guy is, whatever the story, they HAVE to show that Peter and MJ are together and happy and that she LOVES him. That is how they can focus on their relationship, no more troubles between the two (first film getting her to notice him and finding out he can never be with her, second film shows them finally ending up together, third film has them break apart and not get back together till the end) the next films MUST show these two are actually happy together.
Even if they bring in the Black Cat, it shouldn't be a story where Peter is tempted to cheat or something, it should show Black Cat likes Spider-Man. Showing Peter tempted would again make him look like a jerk.

[spider-neil]

Well, imagine if Sam was able to put Vulture in (instead of Sony forcing him to add in Venom).
We may not have had to do the Black suit Spider-Man storyline at all. Then the movie could have focused on Sandman and Vulture (starting as cell mates and turning into a team against Spider-Man)
While keeping the New Green Goblin story in tact. It would have been a much less complicated, and better, movie.

there would also be no symbiote, so;
no dancing
no pointing at girls
no jazz club
no hitler hair

[venom892]

Ignoring these ridiculous and clearly fake "Vulturess" rumors for a moment...

As much as I love the Lizard, I'd be absolutely thrilled if we actually got the Vulture in this movie. I've always thought he was one of the all-time most underrated Spider-Man villains.

At first glance he might not seem unique or visually interesting enough but think about it; remember the aerial battle at the beginning of Spider-Man 3? With Vulture, we can take that to a whole new level. As far as the character himself goes, Vulture would be best done in a style similar to Norman Osborn in the first movie, portrayed as as a vicious character who, though he's placed in a sympathetic predicament--a human one, really--is also irredeemable, far too old and bitter to change his ways now. I'd like to see them use something along the lines of JM Dematties' cancer storyline, where Toomes finds out he has terminal cancer and instead of living his last days in peace, he instead seeks violent revenge on everyone who ever wronged him before it's too late.

Luckily, it does seem that Raimi recognizes the bitterness inherent to the character, judging from the dark way he wanted to portray him in SM3.

As far as him being old, well hell, that's the point! A vulture is a wrinkly, bald, old-looking bird, so Adrian Toomes is a wrinkly, bald old man.You know Spec #186-188(The vulture story he just mentioned)Would be an excellent starting off point for the story if Vulture is in it.

[spider-neil]

You know Spec #186-188(The vulture story he just mentioned)Would be an excellent starting off point for the story if Vulture is in it.

90's animated -
old vulture steals the youth of youngsters to become young.
has a vicious costume

SSM -
old vulture blames osborn for stealing his tech and tries to take osborn out

two half decent renditions of a lame villian.

[Dr.Dude]

You know Spec #186-188(The vulture story he just mentioned)Would be an excellent starting off point for the story if Vulture is in it.

Yeah, those issues were brilliant. I've always thought of it as the character's defining storyline.

[GoldGoblin]

Why not make a crimelord who has three henchman Herman Schultz,Alex O'Hirn,and Mac Gargan.And when this crimelord's business is being messed up all the time by spider-man,this crimelord takes his three captains and turns them into super villains.

And when spidey defeats them,spidey faces the crimelord himself.Maybe they could make it Tombstone,but maybe they can change him into a vampire to explain why he is an albino who doesn't go out in the day.

Maybe they could have some cool arial fighting this way as well.

[cerealkiller182]

One of my blog posts

With Spiderman 4 on the horizon, Sam Raimi will be looking for new villains to take on Spiderman. So far Black Cat and The Vulture have been rumored to be included in the script, while Raimi considers Morbius is favorite rogue. After shoehorning Venom, a character Raimi did not like, for the sake of whiny fanboys and scared studio-heads, allowing Raimi to use his own favorite or either of the other 2 contenders seems like a fair way to go.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6BB0eOrskzo/SzmEHMRSJTI/AAAAAAAAAzM/-dx-LUkNDvo/s320/blackcat.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6BB0eOrskzo/SzmEHMRSJTI/AAAAAAAAAzM/-dx-LUkNDvo/s1600-h/blackcat.jpg)
Black Cat- Amber Heard
Amber Heard is quite the rising star. Her likability and charm oozed in Pineapple Express, and her bad girl ways were evident in The Informers. Not to far behind is leading roles in The Rum Diary, opposite Johnny Depp, and The Ward, John Carpenter's return to form effort. Pretty impressive.

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The Vulture- David Strathairn
David has made a claim to fame playing annoyingly smarter-than-thou characters, a key characteristic I would say to The Vulture. Along with David's wiry frame, long face, and pointy nose, he is a head shaving away from looking just like Vulture.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6BB0eOrskzo/SzmEHcFBVNI/AAAAAAAAAzU/vCnWE7VwNeY/s320/morbius.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6BB0eOrskzo/SzmEHcFBVNI/AAAAAAAAAzU/vCnWE7VwNeY/s1600-h/morbius.jpg)
Morbius- John HenselyAs a member of the "Nip/Tuck" cast, Hensely has had his fair share of shameless brooding storylines bookended by thoughtful reflection. Along with his already dark features against a pale complection and wiry frame make him an ideal actor for the vampire rogue.

[SymbioticToxin]

Good casting Cereal.

[TheWatcher]

Here's How It should Go!
SM4-Lizard,Kraven
SM5-Electro,Vulture
SM6-Green Goblin,Rhino

[CaptainStacy]

One of my blog posts

Nice choices!

[GoldGoblin]

A crimelord is gonna have a auction on stolen tech.To give a demonstration on how good the tech is,the crimelord uses one of his henchman with the tech to go up against spidey.

An alarm goes off in a museum where a thief is seen stealing a valuable object.Spidey shows up and thinks its gonna be a easy job to stop this thief.

But the thief is a challenge as he is blasting spidey with sonic blasts from his tech gauntlets (Shocker)

When the Shocker is able to escape spidey with the stolen object,the crimelord's auction is a success.

Spidey has to find and stop this crimelord before he keeps creating super villains with stolen high tech.

[NewYorkSpider]

Bruce Campbell / Mysterio


Campbell as Mysterio really isn't a good fit IMO. I would prefer someone else.

[zeptron]

Man whoever came up with the stupid notion that Campbell should play Mysterio........I will find you.

[The Slang]

90's animated -
old vulture steals the youth of youngsters to become young.
has a vicious costume

SSM -
old vulture blames osborn for stealing his tech and tries to take osborn out

two half decent renditions of a lame villian.

vulture tried to take osbourne out in the 90's series too. Osbourne was trying to convince the board at toomes aerodynamics that Toomes had become feeble and dellusional and needed to be replaced. That's probably where SSM got the idea.

Why not make a crimelord who has three henchman Herman Schultz,Alex O'Hirn,and Mac Gargan.And when this crimelord's business is being messed up all the time by spider-man,this crimelord takes his three captains and turns them into super villains..

I think thats the kind of thing the next movie needs to avoid.

In the marvel universe vigilantes and super humans are all over the place. It's inevitable that they occasionally cross paths and face off. They need to establish this in the movie. That there are things going on in the world other than spider-man. There are super villains around that actually do NOT know who Parker is and whose alter-egos and origions are not linked to spider-man/parker in anyway. I'd rather see a crime lord hire already existing super-villains than create three at once for the soul purpose of killing spider-man.

[The Slang]

And another thing. Am I the only one that thinks the beetle is underated? I've only seem him on cards and Spidey games, but he seems like a villian I'd like to see on screen. Nothing too complicated, a guy in an armoured flight suit with a bug theme. It'd be like Spidey fighting a weaker version of iron man.

[Adrian89]

Campbell as Mysterio really isn't a good fit IMO. I would prefer someone else.
I don't know why the f0k everyone keeps sugesting him as Mysterio ever since before SM3 was out since those rumours came!

[Nightmare]

I just thought it was a lame joke :dry:

[wattabrownsound]

while watching Hammerhead in the Spectacular Spider-man episode "Gangland" today it made me think Benicio Del Toro should play him.

[Silvermoth]

I'ld love to see John Simm as Doctor Curt Conners...

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/866/33a13simm243x333.jpg

[Majik1387]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/smrcpt3.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/Majik1387/smrcpt4.jpg

[sabetoonth]

jensen ackles as eddiebrock venom