Official Villian Casting & Discussion Thread

[Spidey-Quad]

Today Raimi let "slip" Spider-Man 4 will have either "A" villain or villains, and he pretty much knows who, it's a matter of how the final script looks.

I say it's Kraven first, and if another is present we finally get Kurt Connors alter-ego the Lizard!

What do you think? Only thing is no "torn" angst allowed!

Tear away!:liz:

[PumpkinBombxXx]

IM hoping for the Sinister six done in a 2 parter were spidey gets his tail kicked first movie then second one with the help of black cat he wins the day but not before losing Gwen. Kravin and the lizard could be in it i heard that Micky rourke is in talks for a villain could be kravin. I personally wanna see Shocker, Rhino and Scorpion. Looks like they arnt filming 4 and 5 at the same time thoe so i doubt i will get my wish

[The Villain]

The Lizard/Kraven or Mysterio perhaps Chameleon.

:whatever:

[Immortalfire]

:liz:

[Chewy]

It's gotta be Lizard. Although I'd also be satisfied with Scorpion.

Beyond those two, the only villain that I really think definitely needs to pop up in one of these is Electro

[FlawlessVictory]

Definitely Lizard and Kraven. And I'm betting Sony was targeting Rourke to play Kraven.

[NewYorkSpider]

IM hoping for the Sinister six done in a 2 parter were spidey gets his tail kicked first movie then second one with the help of black cat he wins the day but not before losing Gwen. Kravin and the lizard could be in it i heard that Micky rourke is in talks for a villain could be kravin. I personally wanna see Shocker, Rhino and Scorpion. Looks like they arnt filming 4 and 5 at the same time thoe so i doubt i will get my wish

Raimi already confirmed that SM4/SM5 weren't getting shot back-to-back.

I think at this point everyone wants The Lizard and another villain of their choosing.

[thejon93]

I'd love to see Chameleon featured as the main villain, possibly played by John Malkovich. I'd just like to see them play him as a petty thug who causes a stir of bad situations: causes Dr. Connors to turn into The Lizard by forcing him to drink/inject his own formula(that Connors was originally going to have thrown away) due to having Connor's family at gunpoint(wife Martha and son Billy) and have Chameleon really kill Martha to provoke Connor's transformation after figuring that the formula does nothing. It'd like to see the story go down much more like this, this time. Instead of having the sweat and innocent battle with the villain, I'd like to see more tension-filled moments with these films and I'd like to see them put more things on the line than just Mary Jane's life as well as the city's(which Spider-Man has saved all three for about three films now). Hit the fans off-guard with something like-so, and you've got yourselves a pretty good movie, right there.

[Goran]

Lizliz and Kravey :D

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think it'll be Lizard and Kraven.

[Boom]

:liz:

The potential for the fight scenes speaks for itself.

[Troy_Parker]

Lizard and Mysterio

[Hobgoblin-demon]

IM hoping for the Sinister six done in a 2 parter were spidey gets his tail kicked first movie then second one with the help of black cat he wins the day but not before losing Gwen. Kravin and the lizard could be in it i heard that Micky rourke is in talks for a villain could be kravin. I personally wanna see Shocker, Rhino and Scorpion. Looks like they arnt filming 4 and 5 at the same time thoe so i doubt i will get my wish

Why, all they have ever been is thugs with masks on. they never had any personal connection with Peter, nor did they really ever do anything to hurt him. Scorpion on the other hand could work as he is spidey's polar opposite, and you could even right in some stuff that he could do to peter. Electro probably wouldn't work either, I mean how do you think public audiences would respond to the electric guy wearing a corny yellow and green suit with ZZZZ's all over it versus Spider-Man. :ikyn

[Carlo Comicus]

I hope Lizard, and maybe the Scorpion.

[PumpkinBombxXx]

Shocker, Rhino and Scorpion work as well as Sandman. Sandman sucks in the comics but he was awsome in the movie much better then venom

[Hectorminator]

Definitely Lizard and Kraven. And I'm betting Sony was targeting Rourke to play Kraven.

Yup.

Good news is maybe Rourke'll be busy doing Iron Man 2, so that opens it back up for mah boi Gerard Butler.

[PumpkinBombxXx]

Gerard would be Perfect for Kravin. I've always wonderd why doesnt Kravin ever hunt Wolverine i think that would be much better then him and spider-man not that i wouldnt want to see him in SM4

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Kraven and Lizard is the ideal way to go. If not them then I would pick Vulture, Scoprion, or Mysterio.

But for so much leadup to Lizard, with having Doc Connors in movie 2 and 3 it's time we see the good doctor become his reptillian-scaley counterpart.

[PumpkinBombxXx]

What did Raimi mean when he said that the villain will be one of Stan the Mans or after. What others would there be. none before Stan

[SpiderRock88]

i would like to have Lizard and Kraven, or Mysterio and Vulture

[BrollySupersj]

Give me Lizard, or give me death.

[Spidey Snooch]

What did Raimi mean when he said that the villain will be one of Stan the Mans or after. What others would there be. I think he means they're not gonna create some lame-ass new villain just for the movie. Raimi has always been interested in Spidey's classic baddies, so probably none of the newer ones, either.

[Spidey Snooch]

I've been opposed to an "ensemble" villain story cuz I just didn't see how it would work in the movie world. After rereading the Marvel Knights Spider-man saga, I think they could pull it off. Obviously, they would have to do it a little later on so you could establish the villains' back stories. Also, Raimi would have to stop killing everybody off! Seriously, if you've never read this story, pick up the hardback collection. Storytelling at its finest.

[Casius--J]

As been suggested by most of you guys I think it'll probably be Lizard and Kraven, if there's two villains to be together in a movie I would say those two fit the best! It could make for a great story having spidey trying to help conners and kraven comes to town for the biggest hunt yet, a man spider and a giant lizard!

[dark_b]

i thought that they first writte the story of peter parker and then they add the villains that fit the most to the story?

[Spidey Snooch]

i thought that they first writte the story of peter parker and then they add the villains that fit the most to the story?
This is true, but last time they tried too hard. The theme of SM3 was forgiveness and redemption and we got a contrived, dare I say, blasphemous retcon on the origin so they could force a relationship between Pete and Marko. With that being said, what would be the theme of SM4 and what villain(s) would fit?

[Spidey-Quad]

What I wouldn't want to see is the Spider-Slayers. I never enjoyed those stories. I do like JJJ's son in either guise. Either SpaceSpore-Man or Man-Wolf. The later could work along with Kraven just as tight as the Lizard, they're almost inter changable. Both would be expensive CGI or costume. I like Morbius the living Vampire too.

When Sony first mentioned filming 4&5 together I was hoping for the "Tablet" story broken arm and all, but I think Kraven is more likely now.

[Hellion]

Today Raimi let "slip" Spider-Man 4 will have either "A" villain or villains, and he pretty much knows who, it's a matter of how the final script looks.

I say it's Kraven first, and if another is present we finally get Kurt Connors alter-ego the Lizard!

What do you think? Only thing is no "torn" angst allowed!

Tear away!:liz:

Sounds good to me!

[Hellion]

Nobody wants to see Calypso but me...

[Venom 1988]

Why, all they have ever been is thugs with masks on. they never had any personal connection with Peter, nor did they really ever do anything to hurt him. Scorpion on the other hand could work as he is spidey's polar opposite, and you could even right in some stuff that he could do to peter. Electro probably wouldn't work either, I mean how do you think public audiences would respond to the electric guy wearing a corny yellow and green suit with ZZZZ's all over it versus Spider-Man. :ikyn

Post is full of fail

[zeptron]

If Lizard's not in this I'll be very disappointed. Connors has been seen or mentioned in all 3 three movies. It's time.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I never enjoyed those stories. Really? I loved those stories.

[Doctor Jones]

I think Lizard is one of the villains left. Maybe Kraven too.

But I wouldn't mind if there was one villain, that's fine with me. Two villains could only work if they're both executed and connected. Kraven fits Lizard, Vulture would fit Lizard, though those two could be too big for one film.

[The Slang]

Depending on wether there'll be a number 5 or not, I could be happy with just one villain. I would like to see the lizard, but for the love of god do not OVER-do the cgi. The lizard could hold a movie on his own. The plot could revolve -like always- around Parkers relationships/money problems, only this time let us go out with parker as spider-man and patrol without a distinct purpose. Spider-man should go out at night and look for trouble, not knowing if he'll find it or not.

Part way through the movie you announce conner's disappearance. Maybe there could be evidence to suggest a criminal group stealing conners work/ equipment, so now when spidey patrols the city he has the added motive of investigating conner's disappearance. After defeating the suspected kidnappers, spidey discovers that they infact didn't take conners... leaving his disappearance a mystery.

Then you introduce the lizard, as the only paranormal/science fiction based character in the movie otherthan spidey himself. As the plot moves forward spidey eventually discovers conners and the lizard to be one and the same. Then ofcourse, conners would be cured some how and returned to his family. There could be more incentive and urgency for Parker to find/cure conners, if you create some medical problem that requires conner's assistance to cure.

Afterall, Spidey couldnt go to a regular doctor for a thorough examination without exposing his organic web shooters, velcro fingers or spider DNA.
So there's a struggle against the clock as Parker tries to cure conners so that conners can cure him.

[Spider-ManHero12]

But I wouldn't mind if there was one villain, that's fine with me. Two villains could only work if they're both executed and connected. Kraven fits Lizard, Vulture would fit Lizard, though those two could be too big for one film. Yeah, I see what you mean. It would sort of be like the "The hunter vs. the animal" type of story or something. :up:

[Faded To Deaf]

The Scorpion and the Rhino would be my choices.

[Hectorminator]

This is true, but last time they tried too hard. The theme of SM3 was forgiveness and redemption and we got a contrived, dare I say, blasphemous retcon on the origin so they could force a relationship between Pete and Marko. With that being said, what would be the theme of SM4 and what villain(s) would fit?

Yeah I've been on this for a while.

I'm thinking if they go with Lizard and Kraven, Spidey could try to cure Conners with an antidote, help Conners "fight the animal within." Try to convince him to remember his wife and son, stuff like at the end of Spider-Man 2 with Doc Ock.

And Kraven could bury Spider-Man alive, like in "Kraven's Last Hunt", and Spidey has to fight the urge to kill him when he breaks free. He would have to "fight the animal within."

I think it would fit well with the animal-theme of Spider-Man 4. Lizard, Spider, Hunter. That way Spidey could do more cool spidery things we all like.

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

Today Raimi let "slip" Spider-Man 4 will have either "A" villain or villains, and he pretty much knows who, it's a matter of how the final script looks.

I say it's Kraven first, and if another is present we finally get Kurt Connors alter-ego the Lizard!

What do you think? Only thing is no "torn" angst allowed!

Tear away!:liz:

Here are some of the classics below

The lizard Amazing Spider-Man #6 (November 1963)
Kraven Amazing Spider-Man #15 (August 1964)
Jackal Amazing Spider-Man #129 (February 1974)
Scorpion Amazing Spider-Man #20 (January 1965)
Rhino Amazing Spider-Man #41 (October 1966)
Electro Amazing Spider-Man #9 (February 1964)
Vulture Amazing Spider-Man #2 (May 1963)
Shocker Amazing Spider-Man #46 (March 1967)
Mysterio Amazing Spider-Man #13 (June 1964)
Chameleon ( Half Brother Of Kraven ) Amazing Spider-Man #1 (March 1963)
Doctor Octopus Amazing Spider-Man #3 (July 1963)
Beetle Strange Tales #123 (August, 1964)
Hammer head Amazing Spider-Man #113 (1972)
Morbius Amazing Spider-man #101 (October 1971)
Enforcers Amazing Spider-Man #10 (March 1964)
Terrible Tinkerer Amazing Spider-Man #2 (May 1963)
Kingpin ( Owned By Fox Studios, Not happening ) Amazing Spider-Man #50 (July 1967)

These are the only classic villians, every other villian was made in the 80's or 90's. So have your pick as to which ones can be used.

[Reikowolf]

The Lizard and Kraven

- MJ is famous again due to high profile kidnapping in SM3
- NY not behind SM anymore due to Venom incident
- Dr. Conners turns into Lizard to further research. Gwen directly involved as she is his student
- Peter and MJ working on relationship while Peter distances himself from Gwen who is falling for him.
- Bugle blame SM for Lizard attacks
- Kraven decides to hunt down SM for sport finds Lizard instead
- SM figures out a way to defeat Lizard by changing him back. Kraven focuses on SM
- MJ accepts movie role in LA. Gwen is kidnapped by Kraven as she is linked to Lizard
- SM fights Kraven and saves Gwen
- Kraven is first villain to go to jail in SM movie arcs
- Doc Ock is alive.

[Spider-Man '92]

Lizard and Kraven, if not that, then Electro.

[NewYorkSpider]

The Lizard and Kraven

- MJ is famous again due to high profile kidnapping in SM3
- NY not behind SM anymore due to Venom incident
- Dr. Conners turns into Lizard to further research. Gwen directly involved as she is his student
- Peter and MJ working on relationship while Peter distances himself from Gwen who is falling for him.
- Bugle blame SM for Lizard attacks
- Kraven decides to hunt down SM for sport finds Lizard instead
- SM figures out a way to defeat Lizard by changing him back. Kraven focuses on SM
- MJ accepts movie role in LA. Gwen is kidnapped by Kraven as she is linked to Lizard
- SM fights Kraven and saves Gwen
- Kraven is first villain to go to jail in SM movie arcs
- Doc Ock is alive.

I really love this except for the Doc Ock being alive. As much as I would love to see him come back, I think they need to focus on other villains. At this point, I really don't know how a Sinster Six movie would turn out. Having 3 villians in SM3 was such a hassle.

[LightningFlash]

Zaboomafoo
http://services.yummy.net/img/zobooanimalkids/zobooanimalkidsscreen2.jpg

And, of course, have Kraven hunt Z.

[thejon93]

The Lizard and Kraven

- MJ is famous again due to high profile kidnapping in SM3
- NY not behind SM anymore due to Venom incident
- Dr. Conners turns into Lizard to further research. Gwen directly involved as she is his student
- Peter and MJ working on relationship while Peter distances himself from Gwen who is falling for him.
- Bugle blame SM for Lizard attacks
- Kraven decides to hunt down SM for sport finds Lizard instead
- SM figures out a way to defeat Lizard by changing him back. Kraven focuses on SM
- MJ accepts movie role in LA. Gwen is kidnapped by Kraven as she is linked to Lizard
- SM fights Kraven and saves Gwen
- Kraven is first villain to go to jail in SM movie arcs
- Doc Ock is alive.

I really love this except for the Doc Ock being alive. As much as I would love to see him come back, I think they need to focus on other villains. At this point, I really don't know how a Sinster Six movie would turn out. Having 3 villians in SM3 was such a hassle.
I agree with 'NYS' on this, but... I hate to sound mean here, but this just sounds generic. I'm sorry, but when the only idea people have of introducing a villain is that he comes to NYC to hunt down Spider-Man but instead runs into The Lizard and the three are all involved in a conflict. That all just sounds generic to me because I've heard it more than many times already. I know that's pretty much the only arch the character has in the comic books. But remember, the more you have in the think-tank, the better the overall concept can turn out to be. When all we're coming up is this one concept, maybe Kraven's not the right villain to introduce in these films(or at this time, at least).

[NewYorkSpider]

I agree with 'NYS' on this, but... I hate to sound mean here, but this just sounds generic. I'm sorry, but when the only idea people have of introducing a villain is that he comes to NYC to hunt down Spider-Man but instead runs into The Lizard and the three are all involved in a conflict. That all just sounds generic to me because I've heard it more than many times already. I know that's pretty much the only arch the character has in the comic books. But remember, the more you have in the think-tank, the better the overall concept can turn out to be. When all we're coming up is this one concept, maybe Kraven's not the right villain to introduce in these films(or at this time, at least).


I think that could be twisted around where he comes to hunt The Lizard rather than Spider-Man, then it becomes the 3-way battle. I think you could introduce him toward the half-way point of the movie. I think they can explain this one better than SM3. Harry becomes New Goblin on the same night that Marko becomes Sandman and the Symbiote comes to earth. Just a strange coincidence there.

[Sentinel X]

The Scorpion and the Rhino would be my choices. Mine too! They would be awesome. They both aren't A list villains but there is plenty of opportunity to make the A-listers and make them pretty awesome characters if good writing is used!

I am REALLY not feeling Lizard for SM4...Im just tired of the same damn story. Its going to turn out to be the same story with a different villain....where as if they use Rhino and Scorpion (or other villains of that sort)...at least the franchise can easily move the story in a different and fresh direction. Had Raimi not used the same "Im really a good guy!" plot device for his villains I would most likely not have such disdain for Lizard in Spidey 4

[Adrian89]

I hope Lizard, and maybe the Scorpion.
Same here. But if not, then Lizard & Kraven would also be a good choice.

[Reikowolf]

Well even if Kraven is there to hunt down spider-man, the character could still have a lot of meat to him.

IMO, they should totally reboot him for the movie.

Kraven is much older. in his early 60's
The man spent much of his life in Africa and was a big game hunter when he was younger. He is trained in various hunting methods and is known for studying the animal that he hunts to the point of even thinking what they think.

This is fleshed out as Kraven is considered a huge celebrity due to books he has written about animal social behavior and predator/prey relationships.

He is not physically formidable... but his experience and intellegence make him far more dangerous as Spider-Man has to this point dealt with all his villains primarily in a physical manner. (even though I wish he had used more of his intellect against Doc Ock... I mean.. it bothered me that Ock would go straight to violence)

He is in new york promoting his books and after the events of SM3 he has taken intrigue in spider-man. Many new yorkers no longer even know if he is human due to the confusion venom caused.

meanwhile the Lizard plot is fleshing out and this causes him to shift his interest to the lizard man of new york as this seems more of a fitting hunt for him.

I know the general sensus is that the lizard should attract Kraven... but I honestly think that Spider-man may be enough to intrigue him... plus it allows for the plot device of him being in NY instead of him hearing about the lizard from afar and then going to new york.

just my opinion though

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

I really love this except for the Doc Ock being alive. As much as I would love to see him come back, I think they need to focus on other villains. At this point, I really don't know how a Sinster Six movie would turn out. Having 3 villians in SM3 was such a hassle.

Nonsense ! It can work, look how x-men worked out and there were more than 6 characters invovled lol

[Reikowolf]

Nonsense ! It can work, look how x-men worked out and there were more than 6 characters invovled lol

exactly.

lets look how x-men worked out

-Angel as a throw away character
-the death of xavier
-the death of scott summers
-wolverine saving the day... YET AGAIN

I rest my case

[The Joker]

Every X-Men movie had characters that were neglected. Cyclops being the most notable.

[Jokah Mon]

I will definitely get flamed for this, but I think, if done in the way they brought Dr. Octopus to the screen, with science behind it, my favorite Spider-Man villain would be a great choice for the next movie. Who am I talking about? Spot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spot_(comics)), of course. Think about it. He could work the same way Sandman did. An untouchable villain. Always slipping away, just out of reach. I know he's not really a top villain, but I think it could work, after all, he has awesome powers, and the special effect would be incredible.

[ross2287]

Aw, I'll throw some love out for Spot.

I don't think he's mainstream enough to be in the movie though. I love him, but I don't think so.

[Jick09]

The thing is...
We don't have many movies ahead (3 is probably the limit) and there are more interesting villains to be used. They have to choose wisely. I wouldn't risk that with Spot. He's a villain I'd like to see in the cartoon.

[ross2287]

SM4 needs to at least have Lizard. Yeah, he could carry his own movie but it makes sense to have Kraven be in there too.

[Jick09]

Lizard carrying an entire movie?
It's hard to imagine. As much as I like him, I don't believe he has potential to do that, nor can I imagine it. There needs one more villain.

[Faded To Deaf]

Why does it have to be the Lizard? Just because Conners was in number 3? I need a better angle than that. Still I shouldn't complain too much, I'd rather the Lizard than Kraven, visually.

[NewYorkSpider]

Why does it have to be the Lizard? Just because Conners was in number 3? I need a better angle than that. Still I shouldn't complain too much, I'd rather the Lizard than Kraven, visually.

Connors was in SM2 and SM3. They can easily connect Peter/Dr.Connors through the college. Plus, the Lizard is due for his movie. They originally were going to have him in SM2 untill they decided to use Doc Ock.

[Faded To Deaf]

Connors was in SM2 and SM3. They can easily connect Peter/Dr.Connors through the college. Plus, the Lizard is due for his movie. They originally were going to have him in SM2 untill they decided to use Doc Ock.

Like I said, I need more of an angle. I mean, if they hinted at it in the other movies I would be more for it, but they didn't and they've left the door open. There are so many possibilities for new villains that don't have that Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hyde routine again.

As well, I see the character in movie Doc Ock as the perfect template for the Lizard now, minus the energy ball equipment and stuff. Kinda looks repeated in my eyes.

Tell me this much would you be disappointed if they chose another villain? It's like the Lizard is being forced into the movie.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Why does it have to be the Lizard? It doesn't have to be, but it seems like it's time for him to be introduced.

[The Joker]

As well, I see the character in movie Doc Ock as the perfect template for the Lizard now, minus the energy ball equipment and stuff. Kinda looks repeated in my eyes.

How so?

Ock was trying to fulfill his scientific destiny. Connors is simply trying to regrow his missing arm. Ock was a scientific idol to Peter. Connors is a friend. Two completely different relationships.

Ock's wife died as a result of him becoming a villain. He had no family to consider. Connors' wife and kid get put in danger when he becomes a villain.

The Lizard presents a whole new story and theme.

[SpiderRock88]

^ very true, but for some reason i can imagine the Lizard only having a cameo in 4 and have him set up for Spidey 5, OR they may do something like TDK did for Harvey Dent, Progress Connors character almost though out the movie then have in trasnform into the Lizard and either kill the Lizard which means connors as well so He beats Spidey so bad he escapes, but i dont think people would want a cliff hanger at this point lol

[SpiderRock88]

i dont think they would bring him back. Theres just too many [classic] villains to use

[Faded To Deaf]

How so?

Ock was trying to fulfill his scientific destiny. Connors is simply trying to regrow his missing arm. Ock was a scientific idol to Peter. Connors is a friend. Two completely different relationships.

Ock's wife died as a result of him becoming a villain. He had no family to consider. Connors' wife and kid get put in danger when he becomes a villain.

The Lizard presents a whole new story and theme.


I can see the Lizard, had he been the villain, in the movie, being those things. If they put Conners exactly like Ock it wouldn't be very smart, they changed it to make Ock the villain. Now I don't know if they were going to make the Lizard the way Ock was presented, but I can picture it.

[Crashorama]

Has this been posted yet? The villians have been revealed.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman/news/1810204/weekly_ketchup_special_edition_raimi_announces_nex t_spider_man_villians

[Faded To Deaf]

Sounds interesting, but I'll wait until tomorrow, just in case of a trick of the day.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Has this been posted yet? The villians have been revealed.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman/news/1810204/weekly_ketchup_special_edition_raimi_announces_nex t_spider_man_villians I highly doubt this is true, but who knows?

[Jick09]

Has this been posted yet? The villians have been revealed.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman/news/1810204/weekly_ketchup_special_edition_raimi_announces_nex t_spider_man_villians
This is bad in so many levels.
No way would I believe that.

[SymbioticToxin]

Mind if I rant for a bit? Seeing as this is my first post here.

To me, the likely choices are Hobgoblin, Kraven, Lizard, Electro, or Vulture.

I don't agree with Hobgoblin because they ruined the goblins in the movie with new goblin, which was terrible. Kraven would make sense if they have Lizard, but iof they don't then there really is no point in my opinion. Electro would be alright, but people from my understanding think he's to close to Dr. Doom with his powers, but Doom was terrible in the FF movies, but they weren't really good anyways. Vulture was SUPPOSED to be in SM3, but was taken out. I think he would do well in it with another villain. Lizard is a lieky choice because of Conner's being in the last 2 films, and the fact that it would make some sorta sense.

And just in case someone thinks this: NO carnage. He would not fit well in the Spidey Movie-wevre. Save him for the Venom Spinoff, thats it.

[roni14]

Honestly, I don't want the Lizard. I never liked him.
I'd like to see throughout the franchise (in no particular order):
Mysterio
Electro
Kingpin (Thanks for ruining him, Daredevil).
Black Cat
Scorpion
Jackal w/ Spider Clones
Shocker
and that's it, off the top of my head, anyway.

[SymbioticToxin]

Kingpin I thought was good in Daredevil, mostly cause hes the only thing I liked about the movie. Micheal Clarke Duncan is pretty good at being a big guy who can kick you ass, lol

I'd be alright with Jackal, without the clones. I don't think they'd fit well. But Scorpion adn Shocker I would love to see.

[NewYorkSpider]

Tell me this much would you be disappointed if they chose another villain? It's like the Lizard is being forced into the movie.

Absolutely. You've introduced the character in the last two movies. He now has that relationship with Peter that you can mold together into a story. The Lizard isn't being forced into the movie, he's just the most logical villian that makes sense. You have the character right in front of you. Why waste the opportunity of a classic villain? It's what Raimi wants to use.

[zeptron]

Has this been posted yet? The villians have been revealed.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman/news/1810204/weekly_ketchup_special_edition_raimi_announces_nex t_spider_man_villians

Ugh. I hope that's an April Fools Day prank. I do not want Morbius and Spidey turning into Man-Spider.

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

exactly.

lets look how x-men worked out

-Angel as a throw away character
-the death of xavier
-the death of scott summers
-wolverine saving the day... YET AGAIN

I rest my case

Lets not forget that brett ratner is at fault for that, not bryan singer. X-men 1 and 2 were highly successful films, especially the sequel. So dont rest your case with such weak statements and points. Why is it that people bury the franchise and bash the director once the third film bombs ? I swear batman 3 is next and instead of praising chris nolan everyone is going to be bashing him... its so retarted.

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

Has this been posted yet? The villians have been revealed.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman/news/1810204/weekly_ketchup_special_edition_raimi_announces_nex t_spider_man_villians

The date clearly states april 1st and I already read the one about carnage and kirsten saying that her character was never well liked and will die lol.

#1 SPIDER-MAN 4 & 5: VILLAINS REVEALED!

Last week, director Sam Raimi revealed that on Spider-Man 3, he didn't have complete control over what villains to include, but for the next two movies he does. For Spider-Man 4 and Spider-Man 5 (which are expected to film back-to-back) it's now been revealed that Raimi plans to tell one big story that will incorporate elements from classic plot lines from the comics, with Spider-Man 5 in particular focusing on one of Spidey's most beloved tales. In Spider-Man 4, Peter Parker will find the spider inside him lashing out, with his powers going violently out of control. Seeking help from his professor, Dr. Curt Connors, Peter discovers that Connors and his colleague Dr. Michael Morbius are actually both experimenting on incorporating animal blood (reptiles and vampire bats) into humans. When Parker loses control in their laboratory, the antidotes that the scientists were using to keep themselves human are destroyed, causing them to become The Lizard and the vampire-like Morbius, even as Spidey goes fully spider, with four more arms popping out like a true arachnid. The three monsters break out into the streets of New York, creating havok, which soon attracts the attention of a big game hunter named Kraven. Kraven's introduction will pave the way for Spider-Man 5, which may have the subtitle Kraven's Last Hunt, in which Kraven returns to New York City after Spider-Man has regained his humanity, to hunt Spidey once more.


Sam already told us that the script is due in the summer and its up to sony on when they want to reveal it. Odds that he did it on april 1st... well you have a better chance of a spider coming out of your butt singing kombaya then that happening.

[sPiDeRmAn2o29]

Mind if I rant for a bit? Seeing as this is my first post here.

To me, the likely choices are Hobgoblin, Kraven, Lizard, Electro, or Vulture.

I don't agree with Hobgoblin because they ruined the goblins in the movie with new goblin, which was terrible. Kraven would make sense if they have Lizard, but iof they don't then there really is no point in my opinion. Electro would be alright, but people from my understanding think he's to close to Dr. Doom with his powers, but Doom was terrible in the FF movies, but they weren't really good anyways. Vulture was SUPPOSED to be in SM3, but was taken out. I think he would do well in it with another villain. Lizard is a lieky choice because of Conner's being in the last 2 films, and the fact that it would make some sorta sense.

And just in case someone thinks this: NO carnage. He would not fit well in the Spidey Movie-wevre. Save him for the Venom Spinoff, thats it.

Wont be hobgoblin, he isnt part of the spider-man classic villians. Sam said that he is not interested in the 80's or 90's villians. The only one that got lucky was venom.

[Arcturus]

They should use the Walrus, he hasn't been considered.

[roni14]

Aw, I'll throw some love out for Spot.

I don't think he's mainstream enough to be in the movie though. I love him, but I don't think so.
Exactly what he said! :ikyn

[venom892]

Please tell me no one believed those reveals if you read down the list it was clearly an april's fools joke.

[Reikowolf]

Lets not forget that brett ratner is at fault for that, not bryan singer. X-men 1 and 2 were highly successful films, especially the sequel. So dont rest your case with such weak statements and points. Why is it that people bury the franchise and bash the director once the third film bombs ? I swear batman 3 is next and instead of praising chris nolan everyone is going to be bashing him... its so retarted.

I think you misunderstand me.

I was speaking about the X-Men franchise as a whole... granted it was specific to three but it was all leading to that.

I liked the first one but the second and third were not that good IMO. I repeat, my opinion, which should have no bearing on yours.

I enjoyed all 3 spider-man films but I am well aware that they have their flaws, especially in 3; which in the past I have been very vocal about the fact that I believed that adding Venom was not a good idea.

I still believe Raimi is a talented director, I even believed that before the spider-man franchise.

My biggest pet peave about the X-men franchise is how Wolverine-centric it is. Its a very successful franchise regardless of this and I am sure people can offer opinions on the merits of it.

X-Men two had little to nothing to do with Storm whom they wrote this weird interest with Nightcrawler as to ensure Hally Barry wasn't just a throw away actor.

again, this is all my opinion and I rest my case on it... which should have no bearing as to whether you rest your case.

Also, keep in mind that my statements are based on plot points, which are more the writer's fault than the directors. I like ratner.

So what you're really saying is:

"You're mentioning stuff about the movie that has no relevance"

I disagree as I believe it has strong relevance to the source material (comic).

[Duskbyday]

I think sm4 WILL have Lizard, Sam said he would use him if theymake a 4th movie and everyone on the crew want him. I think it will be definate that Lizard will be in it but the other villain (if there is one) is the one to debate. Hobgoblin and carmage can't appear, they are 80's-90's villains and Carnage will proberbly be in that spinoff with Venom. The likely choices are:

Kraven: Lizard and Kraven are a perfect match in a movie, just a predeictable story is a shame:<

Electro: I think he would work, great fighting, great CGI but Dr.Doom has ruind it for us. Could still appear though.

Vulture: He was going to appear in 3 but Avrad changed that. So Rami may want him back.

Sandman returning: Possibility, but I'm really hoping he isn't a main villain if he does return at least. Not that I dont like him but 3 it would be boring if he returned. We do need some closure on him.

Chameleon: Definately a villain who needs some screen time. Shame he's never been major in really anything. I think if he appeared, he and Calypso would be partnerswith Kraven if he appeared or as a sinister mastermind.

Mysterio: He can appear, but a new costume?

Scorpion: What a fight he would show, and a design!

Rhino, Carnage, Hobgob, Hydroman and Morbius are no nos for me unless we have secret identities cameos. Shocker could have a very small appearance if in it.

[venom892]

I always wanted a opening sequence in one of the movies to be Shocker robbing a bank and then Spidey stops him.He needs no background.Something like Batman stopping Scarecrow at the beginning of TDK.That be awesome.

[thejon93]

I always wanted a opening sequence in one of the movies to be Shocker robbing a bank and then Spidey stops him.He needs no background.Something like Batman stopping Scarecrow at the beginning of TDK.That be awesome.
I'm kinda hoping that if they do that, they make that an extended scene. Not just end it at six or less minutes. I'm hoping that if they do that it'll be almost in realtime, lasting approx. 20 minutes.

[Duskbyday]

I hope that happens as well, heck even if his name is never mentioned but the key factors of a cameo villain are there Ii would love it^^

[venom892]

It would show that spidey does have to fight super criminals every now and then.

[thejon93]

I hope that happens as well, heck even if his name is never mentioned but the key factors of a cameo villain are there Ii would love it^^
I wouldn't even mind that being the entire film to be honest. It sounds a little bit crazy, but personally, I like the concept of Spider-Man caught inside a building, trying to catch this common criminal. I think that could set up a really cool dynamic and even allow more flexibility for future installments.

[SymbioticToxin]

That'd be pretty B.A. to see.

[dark joker]

spot is a cool concept, but more iconic characters should have their chance first!

[WillardNation]

Good news is maybe Rourke'll be busy doing Iron Man 2, so that opens it back up for mah boi Gerard Butler.

huh, I hadn't even thought of Butler, He would make a really good Kraven. I like Clive Owen too, I probably wouldn't even care if he kept the accent.

[SymbioticToxin]

Clive Owen does not fit Kraven IMO. He doesn't seem the type to be in a superhero movie, let alone play a buff hunter. I'd rather have Gerald Butler. Or, heres something, what about Ray Stevenson? Let him redeem himself for the atrocity called Punisher: Warzone.

[WillardNation]

I think Clive would be very capable of pulling it off IMO. Although the more I think about it the more Butler is perfect for the role. I don't think I could see Stevenson as Kraven.

[Eelectro 2]

i honestly wouldn't mind seeing the spot, but definetly after lizard and a makeshift sinister 6 are already used (mysterio, electro, vulture, scorpion, rhino, chameleon)

[stextc]

Agree with the above posters. Unfortunately Spot doesn't have the mainstream appeal. Would like to see Kingpin though!

[Sentinel X]

They should use the Walrus, he hasn't been considered. Oh.my.God....creepiest avatar ever . What the hell is that thing? :wow:


But no to walrus...haha, that is such a joke villain! But he might be pretty cool at the beginning of SM4 and Spider-man takes him out in like 3 seconds but he should be just for comedic relief and it should be obvious that hes a joke

[COMPO]

i'd like the chameleon to come into it and have him frame spider-man and take his fame away so he's back to being hated.

[SpaceWay2009]

^I believe Arcturus's avatar is from Spy Kids 2 (Lost at Island?).

[SamuraiSon6]

as many other have posted long before, i would love to also see an opening scene of spidey thwarting a villain who is not of a caliber to hold their own movie. we are into our fourth movie now, in a VERY solid superhero franchise, i think it is perfectly safe that the general public would more than openly accept an opening that had spidey fighting a villain whose powers/costume/etc where never explained beyond the intro

[SymbioticToxin]

The only problem with that is who would they use. Because even though some villains can't hold there own movie for a long time, it would help if they chose a villain and not just put him in there for a minute. Like if they used Shocker, they can have a somewhat lengthy battle since Spidey hasn't fought someone with his abilities. Or Rhino, open the film wiht him swinging away form him or something. Just don't make it a brief 1 minute fight.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by venom892 http://forums.superherohype.com/images/Drakon/SHHClassic/smallbuttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=16692205#post16692205)
I always wanted a opening sequence in one of the movies to be Shocker robbing a bank and then Spidey stops him. I have to say, that sounds like it would rock. ALways thought it would. :up:

[Hectorminator]

huh, I hadn't even thought of Butler, He would make a really good Kraven. I like Clive Owen too, I probably wouldn't even care if he kept the accent.

Yeah, I don't know about Clive Owen. He's not all that rugged. Really classy and British yeah, but not rugged.

Like I don't believe Clive Owen could hunt a kill a lion with his bare hands.

Gerard Butler... yeah he could probably could.

[Hectorminator]

as many other have posted long before, i would love to also see an opening scene of spidey thwarting a villain who is not of a caliber to hold their own movie. we are into our fourth movie now, in a VERY solid superhero franchise, i think it is perfectly safe that the general public would more than openly accept an opening that had spidey fighting a villain whose powers/costume/etc where never explained beyond the intro

If they decide to do this, which they should do some variation of, then they need to pick a villain who's powers come from technology, so they don't have to explain some scientific reason for this character to have super powers, he just has super gear.

Shocker is the perfect character for this. I'd like the Ultimate Shocker, who was less electricity, more vibration.

Or you could use Ultimate Rhino, who was more a guy in a suit and less of a Juggernaut-type character.

Lastly, maybe Beetle would work as this intro character. After these guys you get into territory like Goldbug and Big Wheel... so let's not mention them.

[Immortalfire]

I always wanted a opening sequence in one of the movies to be Shocker robbing a bank and then Spidey stops him.

I mentioned this very thing on the Hype Cast :up:

[BlackLantern]

I say steal the subplot from the SM3 game....introduce the Lizard and bring in Kraven the Hunter......make Kraven a big reality TV star....kind of like a pissed off Crocodile Hunter.....

[rayc1971]

the way gerald butler looked in 300 he would be a hell of a good kraven the hunter!

[Arcturus]

Actually, the thing in my avatar is from a music video titled Windowlicker, it's from Aphex Twin.

As for the topic, Walrus must be in Spider-Man 4. Also, a cameo by Stilt-Man is a must.

[SpaceWay2009]

^LOL! Oh, sorry. That guy's face reminds me of someone from Spy Kids 2.

[Arcturus]

No worries.

:yay:

[bullets]

There are so many others I look forward to seeing over spot. that would throw everyone for a loop if he did that though.

[Chris Wallace]

I will definitely get flamed for this, but I think, if done in the way they brought Dr. Octopus to the screen, with science behind it, my favorite Spider-Man villain would be a great choice for the next movie. Who am I talking about? Spot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spot_(comics)), of course. Think about it. He could work the same way Sandman did. An untouchable villain. Always slipping away, just out of reach. I know he's not really a top villain, but I think it could work, after all, he has awesome powers, and the special effect would be incredible.

He hasn't been considered, and with good reason.:down

[The Slang]

I like the idea. The spots never been appreciated for his potential. Instantaneous travel? The creating of wormholes by will? How is that not cool?

He could use some touching up though. He should fight like 'night crawler' in x-men 2, only less animalistic. And throw in a touch of 'Dr Manhattan' from the watchmen for his appearance.

And yes, he should get his abilities while experimenting with teleportation/time dilation portals. They should draw some inspiration from the philadelphia experiment.

[Gladiator]

He hasn't been considered, and with good reason.:down
I couldn't agree with you more. Enough of wanting everything in that crappy animated series brought to the big screen.

[D-Man22]

How about Tombstone for a villain in spidey 4?

[Chris Wallace]

How about Tombstone for a villain in spidey 4?
I don't completely hate that idea, but I'm not crazy about it either. I think they need to stick with Spidey's headliners, not the little-knowns or anybody who was actually part of a team called the Legion of Losers.

[chaseter]

The Kangaroo!

[Spider-Vader]

They should use the Walrus, he hasn't been considered.

LOL. I actually think they should as a joke. Have him robbing a bank & then have Spidey just start laughing at him & KOing him.

[NewYorkSpider]

Let's stick to the classic villains for now.

[The Geek Vault]

I'd want to see Gargan working for JJJ maybe. if they use Kraven and Lizard, I'd want Kraven brought in to take out the Lizard, not to hunt spider-man. Spider-man then goes to help lizard becasue he knows it is Kurt. The public sees spidey defending Lizard and views him as a villain.

[NewYorkSpider]

I want to see Scorpion in SM5 with maybe Electro or Mysterio.

[Faded To Deaf]

I want to see Scorpion in SM5 with maybe Electro or Mysterio.

Seeing Scorpion would be amazing, he could be the Venom we got so little of in SM3, I mean in terms of the Web-Head's opposite, but I would rather Rhino than Electro and Mysterio.

[Figs]

I'm liking a lot of these villian suggestions and scenarios. I hope Raimi and crew deliver the goods with this next film.

[NewYorkSpider]

Seeing Scorpion would be amazing, he could be the Venom we got so little of in SM3, I mean in terms of the Web-Head's opposite, but I would rather Rhino than Electro and Mysterio.

I'm not sure If I like Rhino in a movie. I think he should be used as maybe a minor villain. A lot of people want SM4 to open with Spider-Man fighting off a villain. I think Rhino or Shocker could be that villian.

[SymbioticToxin]

Rhino can't really hold his own in a movie, IMO, nor could Shocker really. The character would have to be done the same way like Sandman, which would piss me off like nobodies business. With the whole 'he really killed uncle ben' and such. Urgh...wait, what were we talking about?

[Faded To Deaf]

I don't think the Rhino could carry a full movie, but I can see him being in the last bit of the film, as a huge boss battle, Rhino being like the unstoppable Juggernaut, and Spider-man doing all he can, but to no avail.

[Eelectro 2]

i don't know how much they could really do with shocker. i could see them making one amazing fight scene, pushing the character to his limits, but past that one scene what could he possibly offer? i could see him either breaking out of prison or doing what he does best (robbing) but we've seen that scenario in almost all the spidey movies so far. personally i think seeing him break out of, lets say, rykers would be pretty damn cool. how he made his gauntlets would be up to the movie makers i guess.

i still feel that using scorpion, rhino, mysterio, vulture, chameleon and electro in a 2-part sinister 6 movie would be the best use for all these villains. honestly i dont' really see any of them carrying an entire movie on their own.

- rhino would obviously be the strength but hes dumb so theres only so much he could smash through before it got overused. altho i think if they did use him he should do ten times the damage we saw juggernaut inflict in X3. a battering ram with a horn is his only real threat aside from brute strength.

- mysterio doesn't really make much of a threat past his illusions. it they used his holocubes or something like it he could really mentally screw with peter- puttin ghim in these situations where he thinks he might die. something like a building looking like its falling on him or hes on fire- something just to stall him from something that is going on or to throw him off. same goes for chameleon. he would pretty much just be a decoy undercover kind of bad-guy. he couldnt' carry a whole movie but he could be in it for the majority of it totally unaware that it is him. make him a super spy.


- vulture could be the unofficial leader of the group. i'd still like to see ben kingsley in the role too! he could be the old man looking for vengeance, riches or whatever they decide to use to make this group come together. he could be one of the last remaining people linked to oscorp and its technology so him being responsible for their suits could easily make sense. plus it would allow norman osborn to haunt peter again mentally without it actually being him. as far as his weapons go i wouldnt' want to see anything like what the goblins used but the way that they made vulture in the web of shadows game would be a great new approach to the design.

- scorpion could be the craziest of the group. he's somewhat equal to spidey in terms of what he can do and where he can go, plus if they make him crazy than that allows his character to really go off the deep end. i think his costume being a combination of both green goblins suit and ocks tentacles would be a very interesting take on the character. i think using the spiked hook as well as maybe acid of some sort would be cool to see. clawed gloves and boots that way him climbing on walls isnt' just him sticking to them.

- finally i think electro would be the wildcard. not entirely part of the group, he woudlnt' really want anything to do with them, but in the end (in my mind the 2nd movie) he would be the real big threat. he could be the character that we would be following throughout the 2 movies like how they did with norman or octavius in the first 2 movies. coming to terms with his powers, realizing what he is capable of, becoming more and more energy than human. the first time we see him with powers he could not even realize what he can do, then he starts finding out what he can do and by the end he could drain the city of its energy or being able to transfer through power lines.

the rest of the villains could be mainly used for maybe one fight scene each aside from being all together in one big fight. but ultimately they would (in the big fight) start fighting each other and make it easier for spider-man to come out the victor. over the course of 2 films and 6 villains theres plenty of potential for some epic stuff.

[Sentinel X]

Rhino looks so corny in the comics (in all honesty) but in my mind's eye I can just imagine how awesome he could look (if only I could draw or do computer animations!)...and I can also imagine some seriously awesome fight scenes between Spider-man and Rhino.

Of course as a character I wouldnt mind if they altered him a bit and made him tougher and meaner instead of a big joke but I see the potential in him where others dont...beleive it or not :o (A few years ago I probably wouldve laughed my ass off at anyone who concidered Rhino but now I think he would be pretty cool)

BUT Mysterio is the villain I'd really like to see, he'd be awesome. Scorpion would be pretty cool too!

[Faded To Deaf]

I would like to see Scorpion and Rhino, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's going to be Kraven and The Lizard as the next villains. So many people are rooting for it, I would not be surprised, as well as I would not be disappointed.

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm starting to think that the villains are going to be The Lizard and Electro.

[TheScarecrow]

I would like to see Scorpion and Rhino, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's going to be Kraven and The Lizard as the next villains. So many people are rooting for it, I would not be surprised, as well as I would not be disappointed.

Remember though that Raimi has creative control this time. The last time he included a villain simply because of popular demand it didn't end well for him. I've only heard Raimi rave about three potential villains: Morbius, The Lizard and Electro.

[Troy_Parker]

I think the symbiote's going to return :o

[MarvelFanClub]

i hope carnage or hob goblin is in this

[weezerspider]

Lizard and Kraven seems pretty popular. I'd like that.

[SymbioticToxin]

I'd be happy if they had Lizard and Kraven, sorta happy if they have Rhino, Morbius, or HobGoblin, but I'd love to see Scoprion, or maybe Molten Man, or Beetle, or maybe even The Enforcer and possibly The Big Man. I wouldn't mind seeing Spidey go up against a group instead of a single person, know what I mean. But I tend to dream too much.

[jokerface89]

I'm hoping for the lizard and kraven the hunter as the villains they could both work well.I would also support the idea of the Scorpion being one of the villains he could be another intresting pick.I can't see Morbius or electro working as a villain,they just don't seem like the type of villains that could carry a spider-man movie.Though Morbius could work well as the main villain for blade.

[NewYorkSpider]

If done right, Electro could become a fantastic villian. I'm starting to want him over Kraven.

[Jick09]

Nah, I rather have Kraven.
I had a taste of Electro watching the X-Men movies and Fantastic Four.

[LightningFlash]

Lizard and Vulture.

An animal to fight on land, and someone to fight in air.

[dark_b]

i know kraven only from the cartoons. and i just dont see it. i really dont. but i will admit that i thought that sandman will also not work but he did.
kraven has superpowers? he is taking drugs that makes him stronger?

[Duskbyday]

I thought he could use tht goblin formula which norman and harry used.

[SpeterMan3]

I think the symbiote's going to return :o
I'm going for Aunt Carnage. :ikyn

[SymbioticToxin]

Lizard and Vulture.

An animal to fight on land, and someone to fight in air.

I could see that working in someway. Maybe, like, Conners and Toomes are friends or something. And then it just snowballs from there.

[Venom 1988]

i know kraven only from the cartoons. and i just dont see it. Well there you go....

i really dont. but i will admit that i thought that sandman will also not work but he did.


kraven has superpowers? he is taking drugs that makes him stronger?
Jungle potions actually and yes superhuman strength, durability, speed, and agility

[Jick09]

i know kraven only from the cartoons. and i just dont see it. i really dont. but i will admit that i thought that sandman will also not work but he did.
kraven has superpowers? he is taking drugs that makes him stronger?
I know him from his episode in the 90's series. It was great. So I began to like the character. Not my top 5, but I like him, and I think they could make good use of him in the movie.
I read too little of him from the comics. The only arc with him that I can remember is Kraven's Last Hunt.

[LightningFlash]

I could see that working in someway. Maybe, like, Conners and Toomes are friends or something. And then it just snowballs from there.

Well it would test Spider-Man having to fight the villains differently.

And it would even work if the villains didn't know eachother.

[SymbioticToxin]

^^
True. I would also really like to see Spidey fighting Vulture, and somehow they land on the ground and Lizard shows up and attacks both of them. Spider vs Reptile vs Bird. Thats pretty awesome-sauce in my opinion.

[chaseter]

A villian vs villian fight is something I want to see with Spider-Man trying to stop both of them or doing damage control.

[SymbioticToxin]

^
Exactly.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

Rhino looks so corny in the comics (in all honesty) but in my mind's eye I can just imagine how awesome he could look (if only I could draw or do computer animations!)...and I can also imagine some seriously awesome fight scenes between Spider-man and Rhino.

Of course as a character I wouldnt mind if they altered him a bit and made him tougher and meaner instead of a big joke but I see the potential in him where others dont...beleive it or not :o (A few years ago I probably wouldve laughed my ass off at anyone who concidered Rhino but now I think he would be pretty cool)



Just look at Ultimate Rhino... That is menacing.

[Faded To Deaf]

I thought the 1994 and Spectacular Spider-man's Rhino was menacing too, granted that Spectacular's was far better visually, and Ultimate Rhino was visually cool too.

[LightningFlash]

R.h.i.n.o.

[SymbioticToxin]

I thought the 1994 and Spectacular Spider-man's Rhino was menacing too, granted that Spectacular's was far better visually, and Ultimate Rhino was visually cool too.

True. Though I really didn't like Rhino till SSM. 90's Rhino just didn't really cut it for me.

[American_Hobo]

I'm ok with Rhino as logn as he's the minor villain and not major villain.
Rhino could be awesome if done right.

[Jick09]

I'd love to have Rhino in it.
Rhino and Shocker. I think they'd be great, together.

[Sentinel X]

Having Rhino in it would probably result in some of the best fights for the franchise. I can just imagine rhino tossing around cars and people while he's chasing Spider-man. It would be somewhat like the final fight in The Incredible Hulk except multiply that by 100 since Spidey has a bigger budget. :up:

[SymbioticToxin]

^^
That would be cool.

[SpeterMan3]

Well, the villains won't be announced for at least a little over two months now.
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/04/06/sam-raimi-says-spider-man-4-villains-wont-be-announced-until-script-is-finished/

[chaseter]

rhiNO

[SymbioticToxin]

Well, the villains won't be announced for at least a little over two months now.
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/04/06/sam-raimi-says-spider-man-4-villains-wont-be-announced-until-script-is-finished/
Well, I suppose this is good news. It means they don't want to rush it and make a decision about villains till the script is done.

[batnkevlar]

I hope the villains are Kraven and the Lizard... I mean, the Lizard is an obvious one, and Kraven should track him down in New York before setting his sights on Spidey...

[HUMAN]

What about the Symthe's/Spider-Slayers along with Scorpion? Raimi comes from a horror film background, so the Spider-Slayers would no doubt be awesome.

[SymbioticToxin]

^^
I never thought of that. But their are alot of Spider-Slayers, so which ones would they use? Most likely the one where he turns himself into the Spider-Slayer, but they'd have to make alteast another to show how he upgrades them gradually. But I wouldn't like to see them with Scorpion, mostly cause I think he could be a villain by himself.

[Faded To Deaf]

^^
I never thought of that. But their are alot of Spider-Slayers, so which ones would they use? Most likely the one where he turns himself into the Spider-Slayer, but they'd have to make alteast another to show how he upgrades them gradually. But I wouldn't like to see them with Scorpion, mostly cause I think he could be a villain by himself.

I think so too.

[sauronthegreat]

I also think that Mysterio would play a good part in framing Spider-Man for the Spider-Slayers to be commissioned.

[SymbioticToxin]

Maybe. But I'd really like to see, if they had the Spider-Slayers, is for them to introduce Smythe and have him work with Jonah, like in the beginning in the comics. Msterio would frame Spidey, and Jonah would go and find Smythe and have him make the slayers. They could even have him do the whole 'redemption' thing they do since he blames Jonah for his demise cause he had to use that radioactive material thats killing him. Then they could have Smythe, in his rage, contact Mysterio and have him capture Jonah while he turns himself into the Spider-Slayer and about to kill Jonah, then have a final fight with Spider-Man, then have one of his creations go out of contorl and he redeems hiumself by sacrificing himself to destroy it.

Sorry, that was kinda a rant.

[thejon93]

Chameleon has always been a villain I'd liked to have seen pulled off theatrically, I'm hoping that they'll give him a shot with this one.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I would love to see him as well, but I think Sam will concentrate more on Villians like Lizard, Rhino, etc, which is fine with me.

[thejon93]

I would love to see him as well, but I think Sam will concentrate more on Villians like Lizard, Rhino, etc, which is fine with me.
In Lizard's case, I hope he simply "introduces" him in the fourth installment to allow The Lizard a greater role in 'Spider-Man 5'. As for Rhino, I'd love to see him introduced as a side-villain; could make for a really fun opening sequence, opposed to Peter's usual narration about his love for Mary Jane.

[AIRWOLF]

I'm not up for Spider-Slayers, I never really enjoyed them to be honest. However, I am hoping that Lizard makes the cut, it's the only logical choice left.

[Spider-ManHero12]

In Lizard's case, I hope he simply "introduces" him in the fourth installment to allow The Lizard a greater role in 'Spider-Man 5'. As for Rhino, I'd love to see him introduced as a side-villain; could make for a really fun opening sequence, opposed to Peter's usual narration about his love for Mary Jane. Honestly,. I don't think Sam will make anymore time for development for Dr. Connors/the lizard. I, personally, believe this is when we will see the Lizard.

[Sentinel X]

^Im like 80% sure thats what hes going to do. I would like him to do what thejon93 suggested, it would be much better....however, I doubt its going to happen

[AIRWOLF]

Chameleon has always been a villain I'd liked to have seen pulled off theatrically, I'm hoping that they'll give him a shot with this one.


I'm with you there. I think Chameleon would make a great villain. But isn't he more like a mercenary? In that case, they could perhaps introduce Silvermane or Kingpin, maybe he could be working for either of them.

About Lizard, I know he'll make a good villain for Peter/ Spidey, but how can he pose threat to the city? How can we see him as threatening on par with Goblin or Ock? For some reason, I think Lizard needs to be a side villain, who works into the main plot of the movie. Unless they can find a way to make him a main villain, without turning his motives a bit cartoonish.

[thejon93]

Honestly,. I don't think Sam will make anymore time for development for Dr. Connors/the lizard. I, personally, believe this is when we will see the Lizard.
Well, I still believe that there's loads to develop around with this character: his family, the formula that will transform him into The Lizard, etc. Just because he was mentioned/seen in the last three films, doesn't mean that would please general moviegoers looking for another dynamic villain, along the lines of Doctor Octopus.
^Im like 80% sure thats what hes going to do. I would like him to do what thejon93 suggested, it would be much better....however, I doubt its going to happen
Now, now, hold your faith, my friend. Of course, I can't make any guarantees on that... but I do know that Raimi cares about this property. The first two films were high strong with great characters, it was only the third that faltured. I think that Raimi himself was even disappointed with the way 'Spider-Man 3' turned out, and now that he has another chance... I'm certain he'll make the absolute best of it.
I'm with you there. I think Chameleon would make a great villain. But isn't he more like a mercenary? In that case, they could perhaps introduce Silvermane or Kingpin, maybe he could be working for either of them.

About Lizard, I know he'll make a good villain for Peter/ Spidey, but how can he pose threat to the city? How can we see him as threatening on par with Goblin or Ock? For some reason, I think Lizard needs to be a side villain, who works into the main plot of the movie. Unless they can find a way to make him a main villain, without turning his motives a bit cartoonish.
I agree with you with your argument on The Lizard. Personally, I believe that he'd be best posed as a secondary villain, rather than a main adversary. It's Dr. Connors who should be one of the main characters. If they get him right with this film, then his story will become more so tragic than "Sweet, The Lizard Man!". I'm just hoping that they don't hype The Lizard up with this one, like they did with Venom in the last installment.

Kingpin... that may be a problem. Kingpin is currently known as a "Daredevil character", and the property currently belongs to 'Fox'. However, I'm hoping that Kingpin never becomes an adversary for Spider-Man (in this franchise, at least). Mainly this is because he has more history with Daredevil. This character is Daredevil's main opposition at all times, even when he's fighting other villains. It's usually all to do with bringing down Wilson Fisk. For Spider-Man, however, I think that an angle like such can work out with a character like Tombstone, played out like it was on the 'Spectacular Spider-Man' series. I've always been one-up for change on Spider-Man's lesser popular villains, as long as it's for the better. That's why I'm routing for Chameleon to star as the main adversary, because he has a potential that has never really been fully realized in the comics.

[MysterioMenace]

I’d really love to see something akin to “Kraven’s Last Hunt”. Substitute Vermin for the Lizard, add some more action scenes, and you’ve got a pretty great story that would really steer the franchise in an intelligent and redeeming direction. Follow early Dr. Connors/Lizard appearances, though I’d personally keep him mainly more primal, having little to no dialogue in scaly form. Attempting to turn humanity into reptilian brethren does sound especially Sam Raimi B-Horror flick, but I’m not so sure how that’d come off on film. So I think I’d primarily keep him in the savage Todd McFarlane “humanoid velociraptor” portrayal. Also obviously alter the setting of his first appearance transmutation in the Florida everglades to the cesspools of New York City.

The interesting thing about the Lizard’s that, while perhaps he is yet another addition to the annals of duality dueling “Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde” inspired comic book caricatures, he’s also Peters close friend and inspiration. There in lies more drama then most villains. There’s a relationship outside of their otherworldly battle royals, no re-writes necessary. No unnecessary sympathy cords need to be edited into this origin story. No sick daughters and no brain-warping robotic arms making good people go bad, preventing the little kiddies from seeing genuine villainy. I’m not bitter. Anyway, empathy’s already included in the Lizards comic back-story. The personal connection felt between Parker and Osborne’s what made the Green Goblin into something truly memorable, so it is with the Lizard, merely overlooked. Spider-man’s put into a position in which he’s forced to literally beat upon someone he truly cares for. That’s powerful stuff that I’ve always felt was undersold as far as the characters worth goes.

We have people obsessing over shallow villains like Venom and Carnage merely on murder merit. That doesn’t make a character. It’s their ethics and reasoning behind their oftentimes horrendous actions that truly defines what villains honestly are. Whether they be conscious of their amorality or otherwise. I’ve always felt that Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Kraven the Hunter, and the Lizard have had the largest effect upon Spider-Man throughout his mythos. All these characters added something far more personal then any of the others. Whether it be (purposely or otherwise) killing a loved one, drastically psychologically damaging Parker, having a personal relationship together outside the heightened heroics, or a bit of all three, they really stole the show away from the others. They’re almost all fun rivals, but those four had the most depth and/or won the greatest achievements over our friendly neighborhood hero. Utilize them, not the glorified bank robbers and one-dimensional galactic goop!

Being most feel the Lizard’s only the natural progression of the story and, considering the animalistic side of that role, this is the time to utilize the Great White Hunter. Every other villain would seem tacked on, whereas Kraven meshes perfectly with the Lizard. He may seem a bizarre choice. I’d have thought so too, that is before I read “Kravens Last Hunt,” in which they took all be it this B-grade villain that no one ever gave much of a glance to and truly transformed him into something profoundly deep, threatening, and even tragic. Splice in portions from the early Kraven stories, him hearing murmurs of some Lizard man in the sewers of the concrete jungle, maimed bodies turning up, desperate to hunt what’s never been hunted. He’s desperate for the catch, something that brings meaning back into his life. Enter Kraven the Hunter - Battling the man that took down his hunt: Spider-Man.

Of course for being a rather long-winded post that’s the shorthand of the script I’ve written in my head. Follow that and I believe you’d have a Grade-A story.

[SymbioticToxin]

I’d really love to see something akin to “Kraven’s Last Hunt”. Substitute Vermin for the Lizard, add some more action scenes, and you’ve got a pretty great story that would really steer the franchise in an intelligent and redeeming direction. Follow early Dr. Connors/Lizard appearances, though I’d personally keep him mainly more primal, having little to no dialogue in scaly form. Attempting to turn humanity into reptilian brethren does sound especially Sam Raimi B-Horror flick, but I’m not so sure how that’d come off on film. So I think I’d primarily keep him in the savage Todd McFarlane “humanoid velociraptor” portrayal. Also obviously alter the setting of his first appearance transmutation in the Florida everglades to the cesspools of New York City.
Hmm...Kraven's Last Hunt, IMO, would be hard to interpret on screen, but I'd love to see it. I like how you said replace Vermin with Lizard, because 1: I don't really care for Vermin, and 2: Lixzard would fit more, I think. I'd like to have Lizard have dialogue in the film, but something vicious and easily missed, so that you'd have to watch it more to catch on, ya know? And knowing raimi he might make a mix of classic Lizard and McFarlanes Lizard. Ya never know with him. And Lizard trying to turn people into lizards would be doable on screen, but it would be too much like Ock and his machine in SM2.

The interesting thing about the Lizard’s that, while perhaps he is yet another addition to the annals of duality dueling “Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde” inspired comic book caricatures, he’s also Peters close friend and inspiration. There in lies more drama then most villains. There’s a relationship outside of their otherworldly battle royals, no re-writes necessary. No unnecessary sympathy cords need to be edited into this origin story. No sick daughters and no brain-warping robotic arms making good people go bad, preventing the little kiddies from seeing genuine villainy. I’m not bitter. Anyway, empathy’s already included in the Lizards comic back-story. The personal connection felt between Parker and Osborne’s what made the Green Goblin into something truly memorable, so it is with the Lizard, merely overlooked. Spider-man’s put into a position in which he’s forced to literally beat upon someone he truly cares for. That’s powerful stuff that I’ve always felt was undersold as far as the characters worth goes.
I honestly don't want Spidy too know its Conners, purely on the fact it wuld be like the other villains and how he knows them. I want him to thnk its some random mutation or whatever, and then near the end realize its Conners. I agree that it would be better and earier in a way so we don't have a bad rewrite of someones origins *cough*sandman*cough*

We have people obsessing over shallow villains like Venom and Carnage merely on murder merit. That doesn’t make a character. It’s their ethics and reasoning behind their oftentimes horrendous actions that truly defines what villains honestly are. Whether they be conscious of their amorality or otherwise. I’ve always felt that Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Kraven the Hunter, and the Lizard have had the largest effect upon Spider-Man throughout his mythos. All these characters added something far more personal then any of the others. Whether it be (purposely or otherwise) killing a loved one, drastically psychologically damaging Parker, having a personal relationship together outside the heightened heroics, or a bit of all three, they really stole the show away from the others. They’re almost all fun rivals, but those four had the most depth and/or won the greatest achievements over our friendly neighborhood hero. Utilize them, not the glorified bank robbers and one-dimensional galactic goop!
People want Venom and Carnage for more then murder merit, they want them because they're fan favorites. I'm a huge fan of the symbiotes, but I don't want them to be in the Spidey franchise though. But I don't 100% agree that ethics and reasoning are the what helps define a villain. I honestly like villains who are just out there doing bad things for kicks, or someone who's forced to do it. And I don't really think Kraven had that much of an impact on Spidey, but thats cause I haven't really read anything about Kraven.

Being most feel the Lizard’s only the natural progression of the story and, considering the animalistic side of that role, this is the time to utilize the Great White Hunter. Every other villain would seem tacked on, whereas Kraven meshes perfectly with the Lizard. He may seem a bizarre choice. I’d have thought so too, that is before I read “Kravens Last Hunt,” in which they took all be it this B-grade villain that no one ever gave much of a glance to and truly transformed him into something profoundly deep, threatening, and even tragic. Splice in portions from the early Kraven stories, him hearing murmurs of some Lizard man in the sewers of the concrete jungle, maimed bodies turning up, desperate to hunt what’s never been hunted. He’s desperate for the catch, something that brings meaning back into his life. Enter Kraven the Hunter - Battling the man that took down his hunt: Spider-Man.
Karaven would fit with Lizard, but other villains whoget the role wouldn't be tacked on so to speak. I'm sure, though I can't think of any at the moment, that other villains could fit with Lizard. And I don't want Kraven to just hunt Lizard because of redemption. I want him to do it because he loves the hunt. I only want him to hunt for fun, or for revenge, which could happen if he's beaten or outsmarted or whatever by Spidey and Lizard. Then I want him to hunt for revenge.

[Colossal Spoons]

Lizard AND Scorpion :up:

[Hectorminator]

I’d really love to see something akin to “Kraven’s Last Hunt”. Substitute Vermin for the Lizard, add some more action scenes, and you’ve got a pretty great story that would really steer the franchise in an intelligent and redeeming direction. Follow early Dr. Connors/Lizard appearances, though I’d personally keep him mainly more primal, having little to no dialogue in scaly form. Attempting to turn humanity into reptilian brethren does sound especially Sam Raimi B-Horror flick, but I’m not so sure how that’d come off on film. So I think I’d primarily keep him in the savage Todd McFarlane “humanoid velociraptor” portrayal. Also obviously alter the setting of his first appearance transmutation in the Florida everglades to the cesspools of New York City.

The interesting thing about the Lizard’s that, while perhaps he is yet another addition to the annals of duality dueling “Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde” inspired comic book caricatures, he’s also Peters close friend and inspiration. There in lies more drama then most villains. There’s a relationship outside of their otherworldly battle royals, no re-writes necessary. No unnecessary sympathy cords need to be edited into this origin story. No sick daughters and no brain-warping robotic arms making good people go bad, preventing the little kiddies from seeing genuine villainy. I’m not bitter. Anyway, empathy’s already included in the Lizards comic back-story. The personal connection felt between Parker and Osborne’s what made the Green Goblin into something truly memorable, so it is with the Lizard, merely overlooked. Spider-man’s put into a position in which he’s forced to literally beat upon someone he truly cares for. That’s powerful stuff that I’ve always felt was undersold as far as the characters worth goes.

We have people obsessing over shallow villains like Venom and Carnage merely on murder merit. That doesn’t make a character. It’s their ethics and reasoning behind their oftentimes horrendous actions that truly defines what villains honestly are. Whether they be conscious of their amorality or otherwise. I’ve always felt that Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Kraven the Hunter, and the Lizard have had the largest effect upon Spider-Man throughout his mythos. All these characters added something far more personal then any of the others. Whether it be (purposely or otherwise) killing a loved one, drastically psychologically damaging Parker, having a personal relationship together outside the heightened heroics, or a bit of all three, they really stole the show away from the others. They’re almost all fun rivals, but those four had the most depth and/or won the greatest achievements over our friendly neighborhood hero. Utilize them, not the glorified bank robbers and one-dimensional galactic goop!

Being most feel the Lizard’s only the natural progression of the story and, considering the animalistic side of that role, this is the time to utilize the Great White Hunter. Every other villain would seem tacked on, whereas Kraven meshes perfectly with the Lizard. He may seem a bizarre choice. I’d have thought so too, that is before I read “Kravens Last Hunt,” in which they took all be it this B-grade villain that no one ever gave much of a glance to and truly transformed him into something profoundly deep, threatening, and even tragic. Splice in portions from the early Kraven stories, him hearing murmurs of some Lizard man in the sewers of the concrete jungle, maimed bodies turning up, desperate to hunt what’s never been hunted. He’s desperate for the catch, something that brings meaning back into his life. Enter Kraven the Hunter - Battling the man that took down his hunt: Spider-Man.

Of course for being a rather long-winded post that’s the shorthand of the script I’ve written in my head. Follow that and I believe you’d have a Grade-A story.

Hey, everyone else: take the time to read this post. Mysterio makes the best points for why Lizard and Kraven SHOULD be in Spider-Man 4, and how they SHOULD be handled. Well said, Mysterio.

[[A]]

Lizard AND Scorpion :up:ahh that would be good.

for the people saying Rhino, I'd like to see that too..

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

I wouldn't like Kraven's first appearance on film to be based on his last hunt.

[NewYorkSpider]

I want Lizard and Electro. I want Scorpion to be used as a main villian in one if the sequels.

[zeptron]

One thing I can't figure out is why people want The Lizard as the only villain. Because Spider-Man 3 had 3 villains and the movie didn't work out so well? Give me a break. If they hadn't focused too much on Peter and MJ's relationship and had given Sandman and Eddie Brock more screentime and less with Harry's, I think more people would have been happy. Too many villains or storylines wasn't the main problem to me, the main problem was that so many unnecessary scenes.

Plus, Lizard isn't like Green Goblin and Doc Ock, they can easily carry a film by themselves and they are also Spidey's greatest foes. It will be much better and alot more interesting if they brought in Kraven or somebody else.

Two villains can work if the story is probably paced and as long as they plan it and have the villains connected to each other and not throw in in some villain like Venom in the last second just to please fans. And have the main focus on the villains now.

[thejon93]

One thing I can't figure out is why people want The Lizard as the only villain. Because Spider-Man 3 had 3 villains and the movie didn't work out so well? Give me a break. If they hadn't focused too much on Peter and MJ's relationship and had given Sandman and Eddie Brock more screentime and less with Harry's, I think more people would have been happy. Too many villains or storylines wasn't the main problem to me, the main problem was that so many unnecessary scenes.

Plus, Lizard isn't like Green Goblin and Doc Ock, they can easily carry a film by themselves and they are also Spidey's greatest foes. It will be much better and alot more interesting if they brought in Kraven or somebody else.

Two villains can work if the story is probably paced and as long as they plan it and have the villains connected to each other and not throw in in some villain like Venom in the last second just to please fans. And have the main focus on the villains now.
'Spider-Man 4' won't pan out well with The Lizard as the only villain. Nor would the character itself turn out well because they'd be too focused on getting just the right amount of action sequences down that we won't feel nothing for the character of Dr. Connors in return. That's why I'm hoping that they do an ending along the lines of 'X-Men'.

Instead of having The Lizard be the key villain for this one, they can simply just introduce The Lizard in the final act and have the villain escape for a change. The main reason for this is because Dr. Connors has so much backstory to him that it wouldn't feel right to just introduce him, give him the formula, transform him... That would be a complete mistreating of the character. Some may argue that they pulled it off with Doc Ock, but do you really want to see the same storyline repeated? Aren't all the fans asking for a little change with coming into this latest installment?...

[SymbioticToxin]

I just had a thought. For everyone saying that Scorpion to be in a movie, I don't think it will happen. I was thinking about it today, and I realized he'd be a copy of Ock to some people: I man who gets attacked to a metal monstrosity and causes trouble. As much as I'd love to have Scorpion in a movie I don't think it will happen.

[Colossal Spoons]

;16865611']ahh that would be good.

for the people saying Rhino, I'd like to see that too..

Yeah, Rhino and Elektro would be my 2nd choices. Pretty much anybody BUT Kraven will do though :o

[Faded To Deaf]

Yeah, Rhino and Elektro would be my 2nd choices. Pretty much anybody BUT Kraven will do though :o

I'm not totally against Kraven being in the film, it just annoys me that he's the only choice for some people. An open mind to other villains and possibilities is the kind of thing I want to see.

[Colossal Spoons]

No other Spidey villain bores me like he does

[zeptron]

Most people want Kraven because they think he'll go together with the Lizard. I can see them doing a storyline where Kraven comes to town to hunt Spider-man, but then decides to hunt the Lizard and Spidey has to protect his friend while still fighting him.

[venom892]

No other Spidey villain bores me like he doesHave you read Kraven's last nunt?

[Colossal Spoons]

Nah, but I'll check it out :up:

[TheScarecrow]

Depending on what Raimi wants, I think there are some good paths to take.

While The Lizard seems like a good idea right now, I think Harry's death opens the door to bring Connors in as a more prominent character, better setting him up for the fifth film. If Raimi wants a special effects extravaganza, then Electro and/or Mysterio seem like a good idea.

How about a storyline where Electro is the main villain, with Connors becoming the Lizard towards the end?

[SymbioticToxin]

Aas much as I like Electro, I don't think he could hold a movie on his own. Then again, it depends on how he's done.

[SpeterMan3]

IMO, Electro could be a great supporting villain, but not that good of a stand alone villain.

[CHEZ]

Raimi's gotta go with the Lizard. And if he brings in a minor villain it should be Kraven.

The Lizard will make for an exciting visual on the big screen. Kraven would be a nice added bonus to the action as he tries to kill the Lizard and an additional problem for Spidey to deal with as he tries to cure Connors.

The battles should take place in sewers etc, but the climactic battle should take place in Central Park where Kraven has set up a variety of traps.

It would be incredible.

[SymbioticToxin]

I just had a thought here, so bare with me Kraven fans. If Kraven is in the movies, I don't want them to immediately pull in Last Hunt for 2 reasons.

1. Kraven has a little more backstory and anger towards Spider-Man, and I want them to show that witout him being suicidal in the end of it, know what I mean. If they want to have him in the 5th and make him do that, then by all means. But not in his first appearance.

and 2. I don't think they'll let Raimi put in Kraven killing himself. And I know your gonna say they can edit it, but do fans of both Kraven and Kravens Last Hunt really want that to be edited?

[SpeterMan3]

Have you read Kraven's last nunt?
This typo brings me joy for some reason...

[Sawyer]

Lizard is looooong overdue. If Sam Raimi doesnt do it... fail.

[CJ]

KLizard is stupid. He's a 5 foot-tall talking Iguana. No Lizard.

While Punisher movies have been fail at the box-office, his character originated in the Spider-Man comics, and I think he has a lot of depth to be a good villain who mistakes Spider-Man for a bad guy. Toss in Rhino for some of the over-the-top action that Punishers gun's cant provide. and make Kingpin the puppet master of the movie.

[CJ]

KLizard is stupid. He's a 5 foot-tall talking Iguana. No Lizard.

While Punisher movies have been fail at the box-office, his character originated in the Spider-Man comics, and I think he has a lot of depth to be a good villain who mistakes Spider-Man for a bad guy. Toss in Rhino for some of the over-the-top action that Punishers gun's cant provide. and make Kingpin the puppet master of the movie.

[SymbioticToxin]

^^ Punisher wouldn't really work for the Spidey movies I think. I agree with you on Rhino and Kingpin, but Kingpin is with Daredevil or whatever (curses!). But Lizard isn't stupid. And I wouldn't say hes an Iguana. A cross of an Iguana, Crocodile, Alligator, Raptor, and a man maybe. But not an Iguana.

[Sentinel X]

Lizard is actually a very interesting villain but not good for SM4...that is if Raimi wants SM4 to go in another direction. With Harry's death (and therefore the lost of an important supporting charecter) it would be nice to see Dr.Connors fill in that void.

If he is established as an important charecter during SM4 and transformed into the Lizard in SM5, his arc will be far more poignant and interesting than it would if he was in SM4.

I also really do like the idea of Rhino as I've said earlier. I'd love Rhino, Electro, and The Big man(would sya Kingpin but unfortunately he is with Fox. :down )
But if SM4 can could also set up the Big Man as the big bad guy without really over using him (kind of like how they did in The Spectacular Spiderman) then that would be awesome, imo.

BTW: I found this image of a sculpture of Rhino on google images and I just think it would be so awesome for the film. I'd prefer if the horn was longer but the face is very menacing


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5694/attachmenth.jpg

[SpeterMan3]

/\/\/\
Looks like he's constipated, but it's coming out the wrong way...
:huh:

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

/\/\/\
Looks like he's constipated, but it's coming out the wrong way...
:huh:

I think it's a great base for a movie Rhino.

[SpeterMan3]

I think it's a great base for a movie Rhino.
I can't deny that...

I'm just a teenage boy. lol.

:word:

[Spider-ManHero12]

/\/\/\
Looks like he's constipated, but it's coming out the wrong way...
:huh: LOL! :woot:

Honestly, though, it does look really cool. The horn should just be longer.

[SymbioticToxin]

Yeah it does look good. A little weird (or constipated, as everyone is saying), but good none the less.

[SpeterMan3]

Yeah it does look good. A little weird (or constipated, as everyone is saying), but good none the less.
I'm everyone? :wow: sweet...

[Sentinel X]

^No, he does kind of look constipated, I'll admit...but I still think whoever did it, did an amazingly awesome job. He/she made Rhino look very sinister...thats definitely someone I wouldn't want to mess with!

[Project862006]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/984/984668p1.html

tell you he truth i never knew Bruce Campbell was Mysterio LOL

[Hellion]

I still say Calypso...

[TheWrathOfGod]

I'd love to see Venom and Carnage done properly. But...the Lizard and Kraven are fine. It'd be great if Kraven blew his brains out in the movie (ala Last Hunt). :woot:

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/7133/kraven.jpg (http://img39.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kraven.jpg)

[Spider-ManHero12]

Lizard & Kraven. :up:


I would also love to see Vulture, Electro, Mysterio, Scorpion, Morbius, etc, as well. Obviously, not all in the same movie, but those are some of the Villains I'd like to see in upcoming Spider-Man films.

[SpeterMan3]

Lizard & Kraven. :up:


I would also love to see Vulture, Electro, Mysterio, Scorpion, Morbius, etc, as well. Obviously, not all in the same movie, but those are some of the Villains I'd like to see in upcoming Spider-Man films.
:up:

[Venom75]

The Lizard is a given,but I've never been to fond of Kraven. Visually,I don't think he'd look too good on screen. I'm all for just one villain this time,but if another one is added I'd rather see someone like the Scorpion.

[venom892]

Kraven's last hunt adaptation with Lizard replacing Vermin.It be gold.

[TheWrathOfGod]

The Lizard is a given,but I've never been to fond of Kraven. Visually,I don't think he'd look too good on screen. I'm all for just one villain this time,but if another one is added I'd rather see someone like the Scorpion.

Kraven may look like a flamboyant lion tamer, but when in the right hands he can be a formidable foe for Spidey. Kraven's last hunt NEED'S to be the basis for the story if the character is used, lethal climax and all.

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/5889/amazingspiderman294e.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=amazingspiderman294e.jpg)

The Lizard would also work well with Kraven. Torment should be looked at in the development of the plot.

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Raimi can redeem himself, but he's going to need to be careful when handling these characters.

[Goran]

I really want to see Kraven battling Lizard battling Spidey!
This is the only way!

Imagine how many cool sequences "comic-direct-to-film" they could use. e.g. in Kraven's last hunt: spidey being buried alive then freeing himself from the coffin/grave! Wow! what a gorgeous Teaser trailer that might be! :)

[Cyclonus]

I want to see the return of Norman Osborn, and a new Goblin mask/outft. Have him put together the sinister six and manipulating them from the shadows to go after Spiderman.

[venom892]

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Raimi can redeem himself, but he's going to need to be careful when handling these characters.I've always thought that Mcfarlane's version of the lizard would be the one that comes off the most intimatating on screen.

[bubbadoom]

Gotta be the Ditko Lizard! ASM #6 was the first Marvel I bought off the rack, and I have loved that Lizard ever since!

[spideyman101]

If Lizard's role wasn't already taken I'd say give it to Robert Sean Leonard! Good actor, looks the part, obviously has acting experience in the medical field (House).

http://thetvaddict.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/robertseanleonard.jpg

[Spider-ManHero12]

I've always thought that Mcfarlane's version of the lizard would be the one that comes off the most intimatating on screen. Well, I think it'll be the most logical one to use. I mean, look at TSSM's Lizard, he sort of resembles Macfarlane's Lizard. You know, with the mouth and all. I'm thinking we'll see something like that.

[DarthDaveBanner]

Lizard is a must.

Kraven I could take or leave.

[Carlo Comicus]

http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=13583

Morbius?

[NewYorkSpider]

I don't want Morbius in this movie. :down

[chiefchirpa]

Lizard & Kraven are sympathetic villains. Don't we have enough of these kind in Spiderman?

Scorpion, with Lizard as the filler foe.

[chiefchirpa]

I just had a thought. For everyone saying that Scorpion to be in a movie, I don't think it will happen. I was thinking about it today, and I realized he'd be a copy of Ock to some people: I man who gets attacked to a metal monstrosity and causes trouble. As much as I'd love to have Scorpion in a movie I don't think it will happen.

Scorpion is needed because he's not your typical Spiderman series villain. He's a true evil, not a good/neutral guy forced by situation into evil. His tail can be made different from Doc Ock by becoming a zapper instead of a grappling pincer. Scorpion can be made as a superhuman Bullseye with his shooting tail but his strength is just as comparable as Spider-Man.

[DarthDaveBanner]

Scorpion is needed because he's not your typical Spiderman series villain. He's a true evil, not a good/neutral guy forced by situation into evil. His tail can be made different from Doc Ock by becoming a zapper instead of a grappling pincer. Scorpion can be made as a superhuman Bullseye with his shooting tail but his strength is just as comparable as Spider-Man.

I agree Scorpion is a wise choice for a future film, a classic villain more badass than Kraven and less goofy than Vulture so the chances are good.

Plus no uneccessary changes will have to be made to make him a more interesting character.

[TheScarecrow]

Oh god, I hope it's not Morbius...

(a) I'm not that interested in him as a character.
(b) The circumstances of his villainy are a little too close to that of the Lizards - further encroaching on his story (like Doc Ock did) before he's used, or (if he is used) packing the movie with too much repetition.

[venom892]

Lizard & Kraven are sympathetic villains. Don't we have enough of these kind in Spiderman?

Scorpion, with Lizard as the filler foe.How is Kraven sympathetic?

[3dman27]

How is Kraven sympathetic?

maybe he's thinking of the TAS kraven

[Venom'sDad]

Honestly guys(gals), I would like to see Lizard, Kraven, Carnage, and Kingsley(as a prelude to Hobby). I know you all would understand why those villains given how Sam appear incapable of handling three villains yet alone a Symbiote. However, I think there is a grand opportunity for a great story here that can completely fulfill or live up to the very essence of all the characters... supporting and main characters.

I know you all can't possibly understand the angle of approach I have envision; and obviously, it is to involved, to try to explain the full scope of how events would play out. Neitherless, those are whom I would choose; and if it was ever possible, I would present this idea to Sam & Co.

:O

[Faded To Deaf]

Scorpion is needed because he's not your typical Spiderman series villain. He's a true evil, not a good/neutral guy forced by situation into evil. His tail can be made different from Doc Ock by becoming a zapper instead of a grappling pincer. Scorpion can be made as a superhuman Bullseye with his shooting tail but his strength is just as comparable as Spider-Man.

I agree Scorpion is a wise choice for a future film, a classic villain more badass than Kraven and less goofy than Vulture so the chances are good.

Plus no uneccessary changes will have to be made to make him a more interesting character.


I like Scorpion because, excluding Venom, he is a good oposite for Spidey, the same abilities, but bigger. The scorpion is the spider's rival in the animal kingdom after all.

[ross2287]

Go ahead Venom'sDad; I'm curious.

[Octoberist]

Lizard AND Scorpion :up:

I second that.

[dark_b]

dont expect an evil villain. Raimi just doesnt want this. it needs to be tragic.
you see..........new york in spiderman movies has no evil people. everyone is happy and sings '''la la la la la '' on the street.

then some day some experiment goes bad. and then some guy wants revenge.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

dont expect an evil villain. Raimi just doesnt want this. it needs to be tragic.
you see..........new york in spiderman movies has no evil people. everyone is happy and sings '''la la la la la '' on the street.

then some day some experiment goes bad. and then some guy wants revenge.

Eddie Brock and Norman Osborn were evil.

[SymbioticToxin]

^^Hmm, good point.

[protocida]

I believe Spider-Man 4 villains will be Morbius and Lizard. Bear with me:

Raimi confirmed there will be two villains in the movie. Lizard has been demanded by the fans since Spider-Man 2 and with Spider-Man 3's effect, It'd make sense to give the fans what they want in order to atract them.

Raimi has been talking alot about Morbius, and, as a horror director, It'd be understandable to choose him. Besides, Morbius is one of the classic villains, which Raimi prefers.

Morbius and Lizard's original are fairly scientifical, and quite similer (Both made experiences in animals who turned them in humanoid versions of them). It'd be easy to connect the two origins (Making Morbius Dr. Conners new assistant, perhaps?), and it would definetily be a interesting Plot.

That's my theory.

What do you think? :woot:

[weezerspider]

lets keep it to one or two villains instead of 5 (Sandman, Avi Arad, Venom, New Goblin, Sam Raimi). I'd like Lizard and Kraven.

[SymbioticToxin]

I believe Spider-Man 4 villains will be Morbius and Lizard. Bear with me:

Raimi confirmed there will be two villains in the movie. Lizard has been demanded by the fans since Spider-Man 2 and with Spider-Man 3's effect, It'd make sense to give the fans what they want in order to atract them.

Raimi has been talking alot about Morbius, and, as a horror director, It'd be understandable to choose him. Besides, Morbius is one of the classic villains, which Raimi prefers.

Morbius and Lizard's original are fairly scientifical, and quite similer (Both made experiences in animals who turned them in humanoid versions of them). It'd be easy to connect the two origins (Making Morbius Dr. Conners new assistant, perhaps?), and it would definetily be a interesting Plot.

That's my theory.

What do you think? :woot:

Good theory. Morbius wouldn't be my first choice along Lizard, but I'd like to see him in a movie. I want to see him somewhat redeemed too, since the 90's Morbius ruined him IMO.

[Spidey-Quad]

^ It could all work revolving around the 4-armed story. Get it? Spider-Man....4

[SpeterMan3]

*gasp!* like how the movie's coming out 5-6-11... 5+6=11, 11+11=22, 2+2=4! (Did anybody understand that?)

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

*gasp!* like how the movie's coming out 5-6-11... 5+6=11, 11+11=22, 2+2=4! (Did anybody understand that?)

OMG!!!! :wow::wow:








:oldrazz::oldrazz:

[Spidey-Quad]

We cracked the secret story line OMG

[protocida]

Omg²

[SpeterMan3]

lol

[TKing]

Cameo by Shocker in the film's opening action sequence (played by a masked Brad Pitt)

A short cameo by Kitty Pryde (played by Ellen Page) in Doctor Connor's lab class -

(taking register)
CONNOR: Kitty Pryde?

KITTY PRYDE: Sir.

Peter and Kitty catch eyes, exchange a smirk.

Villains -

Lizard, of course played by Dylan Baker
Kraven, played deliciously by Javier Bardem

Btw, I have no experience of Spider-Man comics, these are just dream castings I would love to see within the fourth film :D

[GoldGoblin]

If Raimi doesn't want Kraven in the movie and wants Morbius instead of him,then don't force him to have Kraven in it.We saw how that turned out with Venom,and Venom is alot cooler than Kraven.

[Venom 1988]

and Venom is alot cooler than Kraven.

What does that have to do with anything?

[GoldGoblin]

What does that have to do with anything?

^
If he is forced to put Kraven in the movie and has to take out Morbius,then it's like SM3 when he had to take out Vulture when he was forced to put Venom in.

And SM3 is a crappy movie,just imagine how SM4 would be with a forced in villain that isn't as cool as Venom.

[Metal Spidey]

How about Kingpin and Lizard? After seeing that Connors is the Lizard, Kingpin blackmails him into creating more of the serum so that he can have an unstoppable army of Lizards completely loyal to him. Along the line Kingpin asks Connors to betray Spider-Man's trust by luring him into a trap. This prompts Spider-Man to question if New York is worth saving if people like Doc. Connors can go sour and work for Kingpin.

If this doesn't make much sense it may be because it's 2:08 AM and I'm drifting to sleep. *yawn*

[Faded To Deaf]

How about Kingpin and Lizard? After seeing that Connors is the Lizard, Kingpin blackmails him into creating more of the serum so that he can have an unstoppable army of Lizards completely loyal to him. Along the line Kingpin asks Connors to betray Spider-Man's trust by luring him into a trap. This prompts Spider-Man to question if New York is worth saving if people like Doc. Connors can go sour and work for Kingpin.

If this doesn't make much sense it may be because it's 2:08 AM and I'm drifting to sleep. *yawn*

The Kingpin is owned by a seperate production company I believe.

[SP1D3RxV3N0M]

The Kingpin is owned by a seperate production company I believe.
FOX. :csad: