Discussion: The Afghan War

[C.F. Kane]

... according to this article:

http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/articles.html

[Mr Sparkle]

oh yeah!!!!!! he was "on the run" and "Isolated" in 2001, and now hes "desperate"


sa-weet, come 2034 he'll be in custody.













or dead from natural causes, either way! justice is coming osama, wether it;s in the form of US troop-robots from the future or a sweet, natural, peaceful death while you sleep.

you can't run for much longer!

[Superman]

oh yeah!!!!!! he was "on the run" and "Isolated" in 2001, and now hes "desperate"


sa-weet, come 2034 he'll be in custody.













or dead from natural causes, either way! justice is coming osama, wether it;s in the form of US troop-robots from the future or a sweet, natural, peaceful death while you sleep.

you can't run for much longer!LMAO!!! :up: :)

The sad part is that it's true.:(

[jaguarr]

Fareed Zakaria is one of my favorite journalists. :up:

jag

[blind_fury]

Hitler being weak and desperate was news.

This? not so much. :o

[Erundur]

Fareed Zakaria is one of my favorite journalists. :up:

jag

Have you read his article on Islam and Power? it was sheer brilliance :o

[psylockolussus]

Good riddance.

[hippie_hunter]

Hitler being weak and desperate was news.

This? not so much. :o

Hitler became weak and desperate during the end of World War II. The Soviets and Americans were approaching upon him, his 1000 year empire was over, the Soviets were going to torture him, his supplies were cut off, bombing runs were daily in Berlin, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia, Italy, Finland and Siam surrendered, Romania quit the Axis and joined the Allied Powers, and Germany was next.

Hence why he shot himself.

[jaguarr]

Have you read his article on Islam and Power? it was sheer brilliance :o

Yes. I wish more of the idiots in Washington would listen to him. He really has the lock on the cultures in the Middle East. He could help them fix so much of the mess that they have created over there.

jag

[Superman]

Hitler became weak and desperate during the end of World War II. The Soviets and Americans were approaching upon him, his 1000 year empire was over, the Soviets were going to torture him, his supplies were cut off, bombing runs were daily in Berlin, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Albania, Croatia, Italy, Finland and Siam surrendered, Romania quit the Axis and joined the Allied Powers, and Germany was next.

Hence why he shot himself.Thank you for the history lesson?:confused:

[Cyclops]

Yeah. I thought Hitler shot himself because he got tired of seeing "Fresh Prince of Bel-Air" every time he turned on his TV.

[bored]

"Vat? No, not this again! This program vas ruined ven I realized zat Carlton vas straight!"

[Knightsaber Priss]

I like how the author of the article reminds us that the majority of Islamic followers are opposed to terrorist activity. We need more Middle Eastern Muslims speaking out against terrorism in the media so alot of bigots I've come in contact with can be shown Islam is not a religion based on terrorism. It's just the terrorists who pervert the words of the Koran to their own liking to support their misguided cause.

[Darren Daring]

"Vat? No, not this again! This program vas ruined ven I realized zat Carlton vas straight!"

Why wouldn't he speak in German:confused:

[Knightsaber Priss]

Why wouldn't he speak in German:confused:

Your wish has been granted. *Poof*

"Was? Kein nicht dieses wieder! Dieses Programm wurde ruiniert, als ich feststellte, daß Carlton gerade war."

[logansoldcigar]

Yeah. I thought Hitler shot himself because he got tired of seeing "Fresh Prince of Bel-Air" every time he turned on his TV.

Nah, thats why the italians did for Mussolini. they got narked cuz it was he allowed on state TV.

apparently, he wanted to be Phil Banks.
Thats why Stalin fell out with him and Hitler. Mussolini kept calling him Carlton.

[C.F. Kane]

^lmao

[C.F. Kane]

Your wish has been granted. *Poof*

"Was? Kein nicht dieses wieder! Dieses Programm wurde ruiniert, als ich feststellte, daß Carlton gerade war."

If you could translate the entire Fresh Prince theme song into German I'd build a shrine to you

[ElectroFlare]

Do It! Do It!

[Equinox]

or dead from natural causes, either way! justice is coming osama, wether it;s in the form of US troop-robots from the future or a sweet, natural, peaceful death while you sleep.

you can't run for much longer!

Unless he has the Lazarus pit like Ra's Al Ghul :(

[Kritish]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Muhammad11.jpg

Oh no! I posted a picture of Muhammad!

Now Osama is going to get me! :eek:

[LastSunrise1981]

I thought Osama was weak and desperate in 2001? I thought he was near death then and had a failing kidney disease that could/would kill him?

It's the same propaganda report that we've seen from day one. It's nothing new.

[FlameHead]

I like how the author of the article reminds us that the majority of Islamic followers are opposed to terrorist activity. We need more Middle Eastern Muslims speaking out against terrorism in the media so alot of bigots I've come in contact with can be shown Islam is not a religion based on terrorism. It's just the terrorists who pervert the words of the Koran to their own liking to support their misguided cause.

No, what we need are more Americans, Canadians, Australias, Europeans and everty other country speaking out against the increbilbe web of lies we've been spoon fed by US Government officials.

9/11 was not pulled off by terrorists. Not those from outside anyway.

[raybia]

Have you read his article on Islam and Power? it was sheer brilliance :o


Link?

[raybia]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Muhammad11.jpg

Oh no! I posted a picture of Muhammad!

Now Osama is going to get me! :eek:


Thats not a picture of Muhammad, its a picture of a stupid cartoon.

No one knows Muhammad's true likeness to be able to produce a picture of him.

[Armand Z Trip]

Yes. I wish more of the idiots in Washington would listen to him. He really has the lock on the cultures in the Middle East. He could help them fix so much of the mess that they have created over there.

jag

Fascinating, well written article. The Neo Cons (inbred fascist chicken hawk idiot pussies or IFCHIPs) in Washington want a mess over there. Of course a lot of troops in Iraq will come home just before the mid term elections, but the IFCHIP strategy is sabre rattling permanent occupation, and a possible invasion/nuking of Iran.

[raybia]

Fascinating, well written article. The Neo Cons (inbred fascist chicken hawk idiot pussies or IFCHIPs) in Washington want a mess over there. Of course a lot of troops in Iraq will come home just before the mid term elections, but the IFCHIP strategy is sabre rattling permanent occupation, and a possible invasion/nuking of Iran.


That is why the U.S. is the most hypocritical country of Earth. They are the one's who decides who gets nukes and who doesn't. Why? Because they have the most powerful military on Earth.

According to the U.S. the one's who they don't want to have it are the one's who would use it in spite of the fact the U.S. is the ONLY country to have dropped the bomb and are the only one's seriously threatening to do so again.

Why? Not because they are afraid someone will actually use it, but because you cannot threaten countries that are able to defend itself. That is why you see the U.S. presently trying to bully Iran just like they did Iraq and Afganistan but they aren't doing s*** to North Korea but kisssing them butts.

[Kritish]

Thats not a picture of Muhammad, its a picture of a stupid cartoon.

No one knows Muhammad's true likeness to be able to produce a picture of him.

But making pictures of him is a big no no.

[raybia]

But making pictures of him is a big no no.


Its a no no for Muslims. As far as non-Muslims doing it, we as Muslims may not like it but there are worser things that both Muslims and non-Muslims do, so it doesn't make sense to get hot and bothered about something, that in relationship to societies' problems, is trivial at best.

[Arkady Rossovich]

True,but it does not mean that the USA is in the best shape either.

[C.F. Kane]

Its a no no for Muslims. As far as non-Muslims doing it, we as Muslims may not like it but there are worse things that both Muslims and non-Muslims do, so it doesn't make sense to get hot and bothered about something, that in relationship to societies' problems, is trivial at best.

Then why were embassies set on fire because of the Mohammed cartoons? For the life of me I can't figure that one out.

[raybia]

Then why were embassies set on fire because of the Mohammed cartoons? For the life of me I can't figure that one out.

Well I know I didn't do it and no Muslim-Americans was involved either.

Why do I say that?

Because the embassy fires and the violent demostrations was not a prescribed action of the religion. The Qur'an does not condone that type of behavior and in fact it teaches humans to learn self mastery over the lower parts of our human make up like the our drives and human sentiments.


Those demostrations was the outward pouring of emotions. Not emotions based entirely because of the cartoons, but emotions based on centuries of Imperialism and culturalism. When you also consider the fact that the majority lack even an high school education and all of the other conditions that come with being a citizen of a Third-world country, it very easy to incite a group of people who are at their wits end as well as the Dogmatic teachings of Islam that many of this Religious leaders and teachers instill into the masses. Many of these people are illiterate, they don't learn Islam from the Quran, they learn it from the version that scholars and teachers on the Government payoff give them.

In summary, political ideology, culturalism, socio/economic status, Imperialism, educational status, as well as radical dogmatic teaching of Islam (usually sponsored by a corrupt Government) is what has shaped the lives and mentally of those involved not only in the violent demostrations, but also what produces radical and extremism persons who are perfect plucking for terrorism organizations.

[Erundur]

Link?

But of course :)

http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/newsweek/021306.htm (http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/newsweek/021306.html)l (http://www.fareedzakaria.com/articles/newsweek/021306.html)

I hope you do not mind me using your sig:O

[roach]

That is why the U.S. is the most hypocritical country of Earth. They are the one's who decides who gets nukes and who doesn't. Why? Because they have the most powerful military on Earth.

Is it the US or is the UN that is deciding who gets nukes?????

According to the U.S. the one's who they don't want to have it are the one's who would use it in spite of the fact the U.S. is the ONLY country to have dropped the bomb and are the only one's seriously threatening to do so again.

Is the US nonchalantly throwing out threats of attack to countries

Why? Not because they are afraid someone will actually use it, but because you cannot threaten countries that are able to defend itself. That is why you see the U.S. presently trying to bully Iran just like they did Iraq and Afganistan but they aren't doing s*** to North Korea but kisssing them butts.

might have something to do with China being a part of the talks with North Korea

[WeaponZ2]

http://video.sympatico.msn.com/v/en-ca/v.htm?g=282d1767-c7c7-4ad0-828b-e2921f94c99d&f=37&fg=rss

[comicgirl]

2000 more were they came from........

[JLBats]

Well... apparently:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/09/04/afghan.taliban.ap/index.html

[USMC]

2000 more were they came from........


:o at least Bush won't give up without a fight!

Go Bush!

[TheSumOfGod]

:o at least Bush won't give up without a fight!

Go Bush!

The f***? That sarcasm was too sarcastic. :o :o

[USMC]

lol. Was it? :o

[TheSumOfGod]

I'd love to see Bush go into Rambo mode and fight those Taliban all by himself. Someone photophop a pic of Stallone from Rambo III, with muscles glistening and holding two machine guns, and put Dubya's head on it. :D

[Aiden]

Nice one NATO

[USMC]

http://www.communisme-bolchevisme.net/images/bush_rambo.jpg

[Mr Sparkle]

http://www.communisme-bolchevisme.net/images/bush_rambo.jpg


ahahahahahahaha Pretzel dog tag!!!!!

[TheSumOfGod]

http://www.communisme-bolchevisme.net/images/bush_rambo.jpg

Genius! And Condi should be by his side, in torn-up rags showing her oh-so-vulnerable voluptuousness. :o :D

[TrailerCues]

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/arab-tv-broadcasts-video-of-bin-laden/20060907133309990004

Al-Jazeera broadcast Thursday a previously unshown video of the preparations for the Sept. 11 attacks in which al-Qaida chief Osama bin

Laden is seen meeting with some of the planners and hijackers in a mountain camp in Afghanistan.

The station did not say how it obtained the video, which was produced by As-Sahab, al-Qaida's media branch.

The video included the last wills and testaments of two of the hijackers, Wail al-Shehri and Hamza al-Ghamdi.

It was the fourth in a series of long videos that al-Qaida has put out to memorialize the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade

Center, said Ben Venzke, head of IntelCenter, a private U.S. company that monitors militant message traffic and provides counterterrorism intelligence services for the American government.

The previous ones were issued in April and September 2002 and September 2003, each showing video from the planning of the suicide hijackings and farewell statements from some of the hijackers, Venzke told The Associated Press.

In the latest video, bin Laden is shown sitting outside in what appears to be a mountain camp with his former lieutenant Mohammed Atef and Ramzi Binalshibh, another suspected planner of the Sept. 11 attacks.

Atef, also known as Abu Hafs al-Masri, was killed by a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan in 2001. Binalshibh was captured four years ago in Pakistan and is currently in U.S. custody, and this week President Bush announced plans to put him on military trial.

Bin Laden -- wearing a dark robe and white headgear -- strolls through the camp, greeting dozens of followers, some masked, and many carrying automatic weapons.

Al-Jazeera said that among those he greets in the video are several of the 9/11 hijackers, but their faces were not clear and it was not immediately known which ones are shown.

The footage shows scenes of training at the camp. Masked militants perform martial arts kicks or learn how to break the hold of someone who grabs them from behind. Several militants are shown practicing hiding and pulling out fold-out knives.

Venzke said the footage shown on Al-Jazeera was part of a video he expected would be more than an hour long, based on the previous ones on the Sept. 11 attacks.

"They produce long videos like these not just for 9/11, but for any significant events they feel warrant their attention," Venzke said.

One aim is to boost recruitment, but such videos have several purposes -- "to speak to their supporters, to raise morale within their own group, to facilitate fund-raising, and to serve as a psychological attack," he said.

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/arab-tv-broadcasts-video-of-bin-laden/20060907133309990004

[Aiden]

Conspiracy Theorists = Pwnt

[JokerNick]

we are the most advanced country ever, and we can't find this guy... sorry... somethings up

[Tangled Web]

we are the most advanced country ever, and we can't find this guy... sorry... somethings up
Easier said than done. It's not like he has an address.

[black_dust]

Easier said than done. It's not like he has an address.

5 Cave street, mountin-ville

[JokerNick]

Easier said than done. It's not like he has an address.

with all the technology we have.. give me a break... this guy should be dead or caught by now.... we can target a single person walking on a street, and bomb him within 5 feet from over a 1000 miles away... we can shoot down missles coming cowards this country.. but we can't find one guy... and it's not like he's alone, he's got a following....

[newmexneon]

Hes in Pakistan and we won't invade Pakistan because of Politics.

[JokerNick]

**** them, their citizens can invade a terrorize us.....

[Fran]

All the more reason to hate Osama.

If I ever saw him on the street (If he is still alive...), I WILL kill him.

I'm sure the cops wouldn't care.

[ShadowBoxing]

Easier said than done. It's not like he has an address.Well since we're in bed with Saudi Arabia and he is most likely there....

[Mr Sparkle]

Conspiracy Theorists = Pwnt

yeah because it's not liek they could've used him or anything feasible like that.



:ninja: :ninjarollinghiseyes:

[Aiden]

yeah because it's not liek they could've used him or anything feasible like that.



:ninja: :ninjarollinghiseyes::meow:

[WilcofanAshes]

Well since we're in bed with Saudi Arabia and he is most likely there.... Unlikely. Bin Laden never got along with the Saudi Royals due to conflicts of interest concerning the distribution of Saudi Arabia's oil wealth as well as the way they were running their large hand in OPEC.

[WilcofanAshes]

Also, as far as the conspiracy theorists being owned, this tape being released at this time could very well be a ploy by the Republican Federal Government to try and remind the U.S. public (just prior to the mid-term election) that the war on terror might be necessary and that they should make certain that they keep a republican run congress.

[theShape]

Conspiracy Theorists = Pwnt

Not at all.

[Aiden]

Not at all.Just a little bit...

[theShape]

Just a little bit...


Ehhhh....nope. Not at all.

[ShadowBoxing]

Unlikely. Bin Laden never got along with the Saudi Royals due to conflicts of interest concerning the distribution of Saudi Arabia's oil wealth as well as the way they were running their large hand in OPEC.They had him in a Saudi Hospital the day before 9/11. While it's not what the conspiracy theorist make it out to be, he was there so far as we know. And the Saudi's don't really like us, just our money. There are also a number of terrorist cells there that would harbor him.

[thedeadite]

he hasn't been captured because they're not trying to capture him... bush said it himself...which i still find absolutely rediculous and furthers my ever growing interest in all the "conspiracy theories".

[WilcofanAshes]

They had him in a Saudi Hospital the day before 9/11. While it's not what the conspiracy theorist make it out to be, he was there so far as we know. And the Saudi's don't really like us, just our money. There are also a number of terrorist cells there that would harbor him. It was my understanding that he was in Afghanistan prior to 9/11.

[lazur]

Also, as far as the conspiracy theorists being owned, this tape being released at this time could very well be a ploy by the Republican Federal Government to try and remind the U.S. public (just prior to the mid-term election) that the war on terror might be necessary and that they should make certain that they keep a republican run congress.

Wow, talk about reaching. It was Al-Jazeera that released the video - not the "Republican Federal Government". Or are you suggesting that the "Republican Federal Government" owns Al-Jazeera television??

[lazur]

with all the technology we have.. give me a break... this guy should be dead or caught by now.... we can target a single person walking on a street, and bomb him within 5 feet from over a 1000 miles away... we can shoot down missles coming cowards this country.. but we can't find one guy... and it's not like he's alone, he's got a following....

And all of that means exactly nothing about anything. All of the "technology we have" won't allow us to track down someone by DNA signature and then send a missile at whatever cave in which that person happens to be located. This isn't Star Trek.

And, in large part, locating Bin Laden requires the assistance of foreign intelligence IN the Middle East - something that's hard to come by given how Bin Laden is idolized in that part of the world.

[Immortalfire]

Lizard people in the background. Anyone else see them :eek: :D

[WilcofanAshes]

Wow, talk about reaching. It was Al-Jazeera that released the video - not the "Republican Federal Government". Or are you suggesting that the "Republican Federal Government" owns Al-Jazeera television?? I'm not saying that's the case, simply pointing out that conspiracy theorists will always theorise...about conspiracies.

[Gamma Ray]

Conspiracy Theorists = Pwnt


Yep. No matter how much they try to deny it, this really is an ax in their side.

[cass]

Lizard people in the background. Anyone else see them :eek: :D

...dude, just like Signs!

[Fran]

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/military-declined-to-bomb-group-of/20060913233809990008?ncid=NWS00010000000001

WASHINGTON (Sept. 14) - The U.S. military acknowledged Wednesday that it considered bombing a group of more than 100 Taliban insurgents in southern Afghanistan but decided not to after determining they were on the grounds of a cemetery.
http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews/news_frame_object_top_left
The decision came to light after an NBC News correspondent's blog carried a photograph of the insurgents. Defense department officials first tried to block further publication of the photo, then struggled to explain what it depicted.

NBC News claimed U.S. Army officers wanted to attack the ceremony with missiles carried by an unmanned Predator drone but were prevented under rules of battlefield engagement that bar attacks on cemeteries.


In a statement released Wednesday, the U.S. military in Afghanistan said the picture - a grainy black-and-white photo taken in July - was given to a journalist to show that Taliban insurgents were congregating in large groups. The statement said U.S. forces considered attacking.


"During the observation of the group over a significant period of time, it was determined that the group was located on the grounds of (the) cemetery and were likely conducting a funeral for Taliban insurgents killed in a coalition operation nearby earlier in the day," the statement said. "A decision was made not to strike this group of insurgents at that specific location and time."



While not giving a reason for the decision, the military concluded the statement saying that while Taliban forces have killed innocent civilians during a funeral, coalition forces "hold themselves to a higher moral and ethical standard than their enemies."



The photo shows what NBC News says are 190 Taliban militants standing in several rows near a vehicle in an open area of land. Gunsight-like brackets were positioned over the group in the photo.


The photo appeared on NBC News correspondent Kerry Sanders' blog. Initially military officials called it an unauthorized release, but they later said it was given to the journalist.



NBC News had quoted one Army officer who was involved with the spy mission as saying "we were so excited" that the group had been spotted and was in the sights of a U.S. drone. But the network quoted the officer, who was not identified, as saying that frustration soon set in after the officers realized they couldn't bomb the funeral under the military's rules of engagement.



Defense Department officials have said repeatedly that while they try to be mindful of religious and cultural sensitivities, they make no promises that such sites can always be avoided in battle because militants often seek cover in those and other civilian sites.



Mosques and similar locations have become frequent sites of violence in the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and they have often been targets of insurgents and sectarian fighting in Iraq.



09-14-06 02:38 EDT

Wow. That could have been huge. But, it probably would have ignited World War 3.

[Bad Superman]

Normally, I would've agreed with the rules of engagement (not bombing cemeteries or holy places) but on this particular case, I think the military missed a great opportunity.

I wonder why didn't they wait until they drove out of the cemetery and hit them hard. . .

[Fran]

Yeah, that would have been a HUGE loss for them.

[Matt]

Normally, I would've agreed with the rules of engagement (not bombing cemeteries or holy places) but on this particular case, I think the military missed a great opportunity.

I wonder why didn't they wait until they drove out of the cemetery and hit them hard. . .
Its not that big of a missed opportunity. If they did it, they may have killed 100 Taliban, but they would've created 1,000 more from the bad press.

[sinewave]

Its not that big of a missed opportunity. If they did it, they may have killed 100 Taliban, but they would've created 1,000 more from the bad press.

true dat.

[kane9321]

glad that they didnt go through with this,would have been a PR nightmare,plus it would have spawned even more terroists

[jaguarr]

Wow. The military heads actually did something intelligent. It boggles the mind! :eek:

jag

[Rambo, John J]

Wow. The military heads actually did something intelligent. It boggles the mind! :eek:

jag


I was just about to say something similar.

[hippy fascist]

Its not that big of a missed opportunity. If they did it, they may have killed 100 Taliban, but they would've created 1,000 more from the bad press.

why not just arrest them, these ****heads believe dying for the cause gets them a place in heaven.

There is only one real way to stop these ********s though. President comes on tv, right, for every extremist muslim bombing that occurs we will fire one missile at mecca.

EYE FOR AN EYE

[jaguarr]

why not just arrest them, these ****heads believe dying for the cause gets them a place in heaven.

There is only one real way to stop these ********s though. President comes on tv, right, for every extremist muslim bombing that occurs we will fire one missile at mecca.

EYE FOR AN EYE

It's thinking like yours that created the mess we are in today. The lack of knowledge of Middle Eastern politics and culture with which our administration has made their key decisions around our Middle East foreign policy is incredibly alarming, to be honest.

jag

[Rambo, John J]

The amount of anti-islamic rhetoric being bandied around on these boards is staggering. And half of it comes from people that - on the basis of their previous posts - come across as being not unintelligent!

[hippy fascist]

It's thinking like yours that created the mess we are in today. The lack of knowledge of Middle Eastern politics and culture with which our administration has made their key decisions around our Middle East foreign policy is incredibly alarming, to be honest.

jag

How was world war one ended, the threat that the fatherland would be desecrated by battle, sometimes you have to do what's necessary. These bombings are becoming more and more regular because these people cannot be found...we have to make the regular muslim community hate these ****s so much that they feel compelled to rat them out. I have muslim friends who hate what these ****s are doing but even they admit that half the time they are being protected (at least within english muslim communities) by the community because they have an attitude of look after our own.

[jaguarr]

The amount of anti-islamic rhetoric being bandied around on these boards is staggering. And half of it comes from people that - on the basis of their previous posts - come across as being not unintelligent!

It seems to come from a small core of people, to be realistic. It's definitely enough to be staggering, though. And it's a shame, really, because it's unwarranted and illustrates in an ugly way that people often pay far more attention to gross stereotypes than they do to reality. It also illustrates that many people aren't willing to look past what they see in the media or what their friends and peers are saying to understand things for themselves.

jag

[jaguarr]

How was world war one ended, the threat that the fatherland would be desecrated by battle, sometimes you have to do what's necessary. These bombings are becoming more and more regular because these people cannot be found...we have to make the regular muslim community hate these ****s so much that they feel compelled to rat them out. I have muslim friends who hate what these ****s are doing but even they admit that half the time they are being protected (at least within english muslim communities) by the community because they have an attitude of look after our own.

On a purely strategic level, our government doesn't seem to understand that this particular group of people thrive off of attacks. It allows them to create martyrs to their cause and rally more converts in support of what they are doing. The more we mess with these people and blow up their houses and occupy their countries, the more we wind up pushing people to join extremist groups who's goal is to damage the West and fight us at any cost. It's sort of a self-perpetuating problem, and many of our past actions in that region have lead to the problems we have over there today. So, to go back to your point, the concept of "eye for an eye" really doesn't solve anything here. It only exacerbates the problem and inspires more and more of the people over there to take up arms agains us.

jag

[hippy fascist]

On a purely strategic level, our government doesn't seem to understand that this particular group of people thrive off of attacks. It allows them to create martyrs to their cause and rally more converts in support of what they are doing. The more we mess with these people and blow up their houses and occupy their countries, the more we wind up pushing people to join extremist groups who's goal is to damage the West and fight us at any cost. It's sort of a self-perpetuating problem, and many of our past actions in that region have lead to the problems we have over there today. So, to go back to your point, the concept of "eye for an eye" really doesn't solve anything here. It only exacerbates the problem and inspires more and more of the people over there to take up arms agains us.

jag

Fair comment but what can you do, these attacks are becoming more and more frequent by the day. The only real alternative is to pull out of the middle east and just let them kill each other.

Of course if you did that the next time bombings flare up it'll be ten times as bad cause it's the whole giving in to their demands thing which in away makes their actions seem justified. It's like settling in a court case, practically an admission that the accusor is right.

[jaguarr]

Fair comment but what can you do, these attacks are becoming more and more frequent by the day. The only real alternative is to pull out of the middle east and just let them kill each other.

Of course if you did that the next time bombings flare up it'll be ten times as bad cause it's the whole giving in to their demands thing which in away makes their actions seem justified. It's like settling in a court case, practically an admission that the accusor is right.

Diplomacy in the Middle East is a rare and difficult thing, but it can be had. Our typical Western approaches to dealing with problems simply don't work over there, particularly on a socio-political level, and that's something our leaders have sorely failed at educating themselves about. It's not about standing down and letting them run roughshod, either, but knowing when and exactly how to respond with military action rather than just going in like gangbusters. Given how important religion is to these people (particularly the people we are fighting who are religious extremists), honoring the sanctity of their funeral services was a definite step in the right direction. SOMEONE in the military understands this concept because not only were they smart enough to avoid such an incident, but they publicized it in order to make sure that the very people they were targeting know that there was some mercy shown. It's a very brilliant diplomatic move, actually.

jag

[Erundur]

Kudos to Jag :up:

[Dangerous]

bummer

[kane9321]

why not just arrest them, these ****heads believe dying for the cause gets them a place in heaven.

There is only one real way to stop these ********s though. President comes on tv, right, for every extremist muslim bombing that occurs we will fire one missile at mecca.

EYE FOR AN EYE


this was the dumbest thing I've ever heard

[Fenrir]

There is only one real way to stop these ********s though. President comes on tv, right, for every extremist muslim bombing that occurs we will fire one missile at mecca.

EYE FOR AN EYE

You fire a single missile at Mecca and you'll end up fighting 1.2 billion Muslims on the planet. If I'm not mistaken, Muslims take their religious shrines very seriously (especially Mecca, above all else) and an attack on the location where millions of Muslims visit from around the world all throughout the year is going to have deadly consequences. That's why I hope no political leader is dumb enough to even contemplate such a move. It's a sure-fire recipe for WWIII.

[Erundur]

You fire a single missile at Mecca and you'll end up fighting 1.2 billion Muslims on the planet. If I'm not mistaken, Muslims take their religious shrines very seriously (especially Mecca, above all else) and an attack on the location where millions of Muslims visit from around the world all throughout the year is going to have deadly consequences. That's why I hope no political leader is dumb enough to even contemplate such a move. It's a sure-fire recipe for WWIII.

+4+5 and +6

and when we all mutate into cockaroaches, then they will take over and continue with 7, 8, and 9.:dew:

[chaseter]

I think this shows how respective America is as a country. This was the right decision. Now force them to acclamate into our culture or DIE!

[sinewave]

I think this shows how respective America is as a country. This was the right decision. Now force them to acclamate into our culture or DIE!

http://dks.thing.net/acgreen.jpg

[Darth Elektra]

I would agree with the rules of engagement (not bombing cemeteries or holy places).

[Caliber]

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/military-declined-to-bomb-group-of/20060913233809990008?ncid=NWS00010000000001



Wow. That could have been huge. But, it probably would have ignited World War 3.

I'm surprised they didn't but its only right in way to not attack then.

[Caliber]

why not just arrest them, these ****heads believe dying for the cause gets them a place in heaven.

There is only one real way to stop these ********s though. President comes on tv, right, for every extremist muslim bombing that occurs we will fire one missile at mecca.

EYE FOR AN EYE

Then your asking for another attack like "9/11".

[Topdawg]

Bombing mecca is suicide.

[Caliber]

Bombing mecca is suicide.

Its suicide for thema nd us because then they will get the nuclear weapons they want and get back at us.

[MaskedManJRK]

Diplomacy in the Middle East is a rare and difficult thing, but it can be had. Our typical Western approaches to dealing with problems simply don't work over there, particularly on a socio-political level, and that's something our leaders have sorely failed at educating themselves about. It's not about standing down and letting them run roughshod, either, but knowing when and exactly how to respond with military action rather than just going in like gangbusters. Given how important religion is to these people (particularly the people we are fighting who are religious extremists), honoring the sanctity of their funeral services was a definite step in the right direction. SOMEONE in the military understands this concept because not only were they smart enough to avoid such an incident, but they publicized it in order to make sure that the very people they were targeting know that there was some mercy shown. It's a very brilliant diplomatic move, actually.

jag

A-motherf**king-men. :up:

[Topdawg]

Its suicide for thema nd us because then they will get the nuclear weapons they want and get back at us.

yeah youre right,especially now with iran trying to cause trouble.lol:wow:

[Caliber]

yeah youre right,especially now with iran trying to cause trouble.lol:wow:

To attack them during a funeral would to be to be like them too.

[roach]

why not just arrest them, these ****heads believe dying for the cause gets them a place in heaven.

There is only one real way to stop these ********s though. President comes on tv, right, for every extremist muslim bombing that occurs we will fire one missile at mecca.

EYE FOR AN EYE


because this is a war we are in and we treat our enemies like enemies and not like criminals. One of these guys shoots at a Soldier or Marine the Soldier or Marine will take them out.

[roach]

To attack them during a funeral would to be to be like them too.


look at the firestorm that was caused when they were hiding in a mosque and the Marines went in and nabbed them

[War Lord]

Bombing mecca is suicide.

Not if the bomb is large enough.

[sinewave]

Not if the bomb is large enough.

Nobody should have to tolerate physical abuse, ever.

:down

[maxwell's demon]

:down

:up:

[sinewave]

:up:

DON'T YOU EVER CONTRADICT ME AGAIN, BUSTER! :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:

[maxwell's demon]

you're out of the band, *******.

[sinewave]

you're out of the band, *******.

which one, green sabbath or the stoned marmadukes?

[maxwell's demon]

Sentient Beard.

First Album : Off the Charts, Way Off

[WeaponZ2]

Reminds me of how us Canadians always warn the Taliban of an attack.

[The Question]

why not just arrest them, these ****heads believe dying for the cause gets them a place in heaven.

There is only one real way to stop these ********s though. President comes on tv, right, for every extremist muslim bombing that occurs we will fire one missile at mecca.

EYE FOR AN EYE


That would be an absolutely terrible idea. 1) Not ever Muslim in the world is a terrorist, so we'd just be pissing of plenty of people who would normally side with us, and 2) thousands of innocent people live in Mecca. It would be pointless slaughter just as bad as what the terrorists are doing.

[tomahawk53]

Diplomacy in the Middle East is a rare and difficult thing, but it can be had. Our typical Western approaches to dealing with problems simply don't work over there, particularly on a socio-political level, and that's something our leaders have sorely failed at educating themselves about. It's not about standing down and letting them run roughshod, either, but knowing when and exactly how to respond with military action rather than just going in like gangbusters. Given how important religion is to these people (particularly the people we are fighting who are religious extremists), honoring the sanctity of their funeral services was a definite step in the right direction. SOMEONE in the military understands this concept because not only were they smart enough to avoid such an incident, but they publicized it in order to make sure that the very people they were targeting know that there was some mercy shown. It's a very brilliant diplomatic move, actually.

jag

I agree with what you said whole heartedly and I’m glad we didn’t do it...but I can't help but think that the Taliban doesn't give a **** that we could have wiped 100 or so of them off the earth but didn't because they were at a funeral.

Again I think that's just the mindset difference between us and them.

Like the article said the Taliban has suicide bomb funeral in the past.

[hippie_hunter]

I would agree with the rules of engagement (not bombing cemeteries or holy places).

I have to agree with jag here that this was a brilliant diplomatic move that shows that we won't simply bomb everything in sight.

I think following the rules of engagement show that we can be better than them. After all these are people who are willing to bomb holy places.

[hippie_hunter]

why not just arrest them, these ****heads believe dying for the cause gets them a place in heaven.

There is only one real way to stop these ********s though. President comes on tv, right, for every extremist muslim bombing that occurs we will fire one missile at mecca.

EYE FOR AN EYE

Granny Flash used to say an eye for an eye makes everyone blind :o

[War Lord]

:down

A large bomb isn't abusive, because disappearing in a holocaust isn't abusive.

[War Lord]

I agree with what you said whole heartedly and I’m glad we didn’t do it...but I can't help but think that the Taliban doesn't give a **** that we could have wiped 100 or so of them off the earth but didn't because they were at a funeral.

Again I think that's just the mindset difference between us and them.

Like the article said the Taliban has suicide bomb funeral in the past.

It will hardly do anything to change their mindset. Besides, had we bombed them, it would have saved them the expense of a second funeral.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Odd.I thought the Americans would bomb them,it looks like the USA still has a shred of dignity after all.

[lazur]

I think Bush and co. ought to just visit the SHH Community boards, since there are so many experts on the Middle East and all. They sure could save themselves and the rest of us a lot of frustration heh.

[Fran]

Diplomacy in the Middle East is a rare and difficult thing, but it can be had. Our typical Western approaches to dealing with problems simply don't work over there, particularly on a socio-political level, and that's something our leaders have sorely failed at educating themselves about. It's not about standing down and letting them run roughshod, either, but knowing when and exactly how to respond with military action rather than just going in like gangbusters. Given how important religion is to these people (particularly the people we are fighting who are religious extremists), honoring the sanctity of their funeral services was a definite step in the right direction. SOMEONE in the military understands this concept because not only were they smart enough to avoid such an incident, but they publicized it in order to make sure that the very people they were targeting know that there was some mercy shown. It's a very brilliant diplomatic move, actually.

jag

Thumbs up to you, jag. :up:

Major e-props.

[zanos]

This is ridiculous. If they had discovered that Osama has been among those at the funeral would they still had held off from bombing?

[hippie_hunter]

Odd.I thought the Americans would bomb them,it looks like the USA still has a shred of dignity after all.

Despite what you may think, America isn't as evil as some people tend to think :o

[hippie_hunter]

This is ridiculous. If they had discovered that Osama has been among those at the funeral would they still had held off from bombing?

I don't think so.

[bored]

http://dks.thing.net/acgreen.jpg


Look at that Adam's Apple.

[bored]

How was world war one ended, the threat that the fatherland would be desecrated by battle, sometimes you have to do what's necessary. These bombings are becoming more and more regular because these people cannot be found...we have to make the regular muslim community hate these ****s so much that they feel compelled to rat them out. I have muslim friends who hate what these ****s are doing but even they admit that half the time they are being protected (at least within english muslim communities) by the community because they have an attitude of look after our own.


Going with World War One, eh? You realize the way WW1 ended basically set up the sequel, right?

[jaguarr]

I agree with what you said whole heartedly and I’m glad we didn’t do it...but I can't help but think that the Taliban doesn't give a **** that we could have wiped 100 or so of them off the earth but didn't because they were at a funeral.

Again I think that's just the mindset difference between us and them.

Like the article said the Taliban has suicide bomb funeral in the past.

Well, what I was sort of getting at and probably failed to convey as straightforward as I should have was really, the decision to not bomb the funeral as a sign of respect will go a lot further with people outside the Taliban in the Middle East who could have been persuaded to join the fight against the Western world with the extremists and terrorists had we done otherwise. Because yeah, you're probably right, the Taliban really don't give a **** one way or the other in the end (although I'm sure they're glad to be alive and regretting a missed opportunity to create 100 martyrs to boost their recruited ranks all at the same time).

jag

[The Man Of 16]

Just sit and wait for them, the second theyre off the grounds, set em ablaze. Wouldnt that be great if they introduced acid spraying guns?

[jaguarr]

I think Bush and co. ought to just visit the SHH Community boards, since there are so many experts on the Middle East and all. They sure could save themselves and the rest of us a lot of frustration heh.

LOL! Well, there are very few here who would dare to deign themselves experts on Middle East affairs (I'm certainly not one of those peopel), but doesn't it scare you just a little bit that even on a comic book movie internet message board there seems to be quite a few people who have at least a fundamental understanding that a typical Western approach to dealing with people in the Middle East and the "John Wayne" tactics of our current government really don't work in that part of the world when the people in charge seem to be not really grasping that concept?

jag

[HellOnEarth]

Fair comment but what can you do, these attacks are becoming more and more frequent by the day. The only real alternative is to pull out of the middle east and just let them kill each other.


:up:

[Spider-Bite]

why not just arrest them, these ****heads believe dying for the cause gets them a place in heaven.

There is only one real way to stop these ********s though. President comes on tv, right, for every extremist muslim bombing that occurs we will fire one missile at mecca.

EYE FOR AN EYE

that would be the equivalent of the terrorists saying "for every prisoner taken and every battle fought by you, we will fire one rocket at the vatician.

talk about complete disrespect for the non-terrorists.

[Spider-Bite]

I have to wonder. Would the muslim world be sympathetic? These are dangerous people who need to be caught. At the same time, why not just wait untill they left and get em?

I mean come on.

[Spider-Bite]

Diplomacy in the Middle East is a rare and difficult thing, but it can be had. Our typical Western approaches to dealing with problems simply don't work over there, particularly on a socio-political level, and that's something our leaders have sorely failed at educating themselves about. It's not about standing down and letting them run roughshod, either, but knowing when and exactly how to respond with military action rather than just going in like gangbusters. Given how important religion is to these people (particularly the people we are fighting who are religious extremists), honoring the sanctity of their funeral services was a definite step in the right direction. SOMEONE in the military understands this concept because not only were they smart enough to avoid such an incident, but they publicized it in order to make sure that the very people they were targeting know that there was some mercy shown. It's a very brilliant diplomatic move, actually.

jag

that was a good post. seriously. very good reasoning.

[Antonello Blueberry]

http://www.estrepublicain.fr/zoom/2006092300222348.html
According to a French newspaper that got some leaked infos from the secret services that got them from ths Saudi Secret services.
He was killed in Pakistan by typhus.

[arachnid-guy]

I'll wait til the news stations get it ohnnn..

Pure speculation.

[The Amazing Lee]

To be honest....you can't trust the news.

[Whirlysplat]

Reuters have picked up on it.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyid=2006-09-23T081110Z_01_L23801953_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-BINLADEN-FRANCE.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsArt-R2-Today-3

No real evidence one way or another

- Whirly

[britrogue]

This just doesn't ring true somehow

[Galactus]

So, is this the fifth or sixth time he's dead? :rolleyes:

[arachnid-guy]

seems like everyone's dying these days...

Steve Irwin first...now, Bin Laden (allegedly).

[celldog]

dude is like Ras Al Ghul...:whatever:

[Antonello Blueberry]

So, is this the fifth or sixth time he's dead? :rolleyes:
Being a semifictional character like Dracula, he's bound to be resurrected.

[Future Prez]

I'm not gonna get to excited for this. I remember back in '02 or '03, he was supposedly on dialysis in a cave somewhere. Anyway, even if he is dead, Al-Qaeda is such a large network that there's always going to be someone to replace him.

[celldog]

He's got a Lazarus pit.

[hippy fascist]

dude is like Ras Al Ghul...:whatever:

Personally I would have gone for keyser soze

Truth be told he may have died as much as a year ago. In these times of misinformation (both from the terrorists AND our own governments) there is simply no way to tell fact from speculation anymore.

[Fred_Fury]

hahaha terrorist piece of sh\t I hope he suffered

[MaleRogue]

I don't believe the whole story...
They also said Bin Laden was working for the FBI...
How sick is that

[Sofa]

Sick, not surprising.

[Warhammer]

Haha at the Lazarus Pit.

But seriously, I highly doubt Osama is dead.

[Gotendbz-2]

dude is like Ras Al Ghul...:whatever:

Haha!

I dont care if hes still alive, as long as they catch him and stop from doing baaaaaaaaaaaaaad things I'll be happy.


LOVE & PEACE!

[The Chairman]

He's not dead. It's bull****.

[bunk]

He's probably been dead. That piece of s*** would never be able to sit back and not brag about 9/11 in a video if he were still alive.

[Sloth7d]

He's not dead. He's over there chillin with Elvis and Tupac.

[boywonder13]

the info could have been faked so everyone belives that he's dead, so he can live a much freerer life once they are of his back....

[Fran]

I believe half of what I read, and half of what I see.

Until this is widely, and unanimously confirmed, I don't believe it at all.

[Sloth7d]

I believe half of what I read, and half of what I see.

Until this is widely, and unanimously confirmed, I don't believe it at all.
I thought the expression was believe half of what you see and nothing you hear.

[Themanofbat]

"News" of Bin Laden's death will work wonders in an election year... :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:

[Gonking]

---

[Warhammer]

Typhoid?

Noooooo. :rolleyes:

[Darthphere]

"News" of Bin Laden's death will work wonders in an election year... :whatever: :whatever: :whatever:


Dude, I thought the same thing. And I already came up with celldog's, lazur and cass' response.


"If this was an election year ploy, why is a French newspaper reporting it?:whatever: "

[Gonking]

He is not death, he is probably doing a barbecue with Bush at Camp David

[DOG LIPS]

When he does die, I predict his beard will show up on eBay. Mark my words, you all saw me post it.

9-23-2006

[Darthphere]

When he does die, I predict his beard will show up on eBay. Mark my words, you all saw me post it.

9-23-2006


You are wise.

[roach]

seems like everyone's dying these days...

Steve Irwin first...now, Bin Laden (allegedly).


all by the same sting-ray

[Danalys]

if he is dead the conpiracy theories begin. the black sheep of the saudi royal family. death faked or set up, you decide? seems civil war like.

[bunk]

I thought the expression was believe half of what you see and nothing you hear.

It is.

[Mr Sparkle]

why is this important again?

[Hades]

Wow, a news channel on tv just said something about.

They apparently have more information on it, too.

[The Overlord]

I'm going by the movie/ comic book rules, unless I see a corpse, I won't believe he's dead.

[The Overlord]

I'm going by the movie/ comic book rules, unless I see a corpse, I won't believe he's dead.

[Ben Urich]

Even if he is dead, there are numerous underlings available to take his place. :o

[Mr Sparkle]

I hope that they make a video using his corpse ala "muppet's show" where he moves side to side on the screen and you can clearly see metal wires attached to his hands.


his voice should sound like kermit the frog too :up:

[hippy fascist]

Actually if this is true it's really good news. Someone who dies of typhoid in some squalid little cave cowering away is much less likely to be treated as a martyr than someone gunned down by the US military. I just hope this time when they find the body the US government doesn't clean him up and shave him like they did with Che, otherwise in 10 yrs time we'll see moron students who know nothing about him walking round with his face on their t-shirts :whatever:

[Mr Sparkle]

you know who else owes him? that senator from the US that supossedly killed his intern. that guy was pretty screwed and then....9-11.

he must've been breathing a sigh of relief on that morning.

[Mr Sparkle]

Actually if this is true it's really good news. Someone who dies of typhoid in some squalid little cave cowering away is much less likely to be treated as a martyr than someone gunned down by the US military. I just hope this time when they find the body the US government doesn't clean him up and shave him like they did with Che, otherwise in 10 yrs time we'll see moron students who know nothing about him walking round with his face on their t-shirts :whatever:

are you comparing him to che guevara?



:wow::csad::o

[Kmack]

Can't say I believe this....nope.

[kingman]

I highly doubt that he's dead and like some have said above there will still be more to take his place when he is gone... I was even watching an animated sketch this morning where they had captured him but from the darkened cave there were loads of eyes of hundreds of other Bin Ladens waiting

[hippy fascist]

are you comparing him to che guevara?



:wow::csad::o

che quevara was a worthless terrorist who got cannonised by moron students who new nothing about the man or what he did

[Hades]

I almost bought a Che shirt once, because I thought it looked cool.

I was about 12 at the time...thank god I didn't. No idea who Che was at the time.

[hippy fascist]

I almost bought a Che shirt once, because I thought it looked cool.

I was about 12 at the time...thank god I didn't. No idea who Che was at the time.

Exactly but you were twelve at the time so... Most people wearing them are supposedly liberal inteligent college students. To be honest the guy would fit in better with the michigan militia :whatever:

[The Last Meatbag]

if this is true.......I'm a little pissed off we didn't make him live the rest of his life in a dull prison cell with no outside contact while he slowly died...









the ****er

[Mr Sparkle]

if this is true.......I'm a little pissed off we didn't make him live the rest of his life in a dull prison cell with no outside contact while he slowly died...

the ****er

the US wouldn't have done that anyway.

[hippy fascist]

the US wouldn't have done that anyway.

much better to stick him in general population :woot:

[Colossal Spoons]

dude is like Ras Al Ghul...:whatever:

That's the greatest analogy ever. Bravo :up:

[Karem-Knight]

Exactly but you were twelve at the time so... Most people wearing them are supposedly liberal inteligent college students. To be honest the guy would fit in better with the michigan militia :whatever:

Oh please, Cuba was messed up like most south american countries are now, Che and Fidel helped Cuba, They knew communisum was the only way to sieze cuba. At lease he went down like a man unlike Osama who just hides in a cave. I don't agree of his exuctions Hell I HATE him for it. But speaking as a South American (Brazil) I respect him for getting Cuba out of a mess that it was in.

[Karem-Knight]

if this is true.......I'm a little pissed off we didn't make him live the rest of his life in a dull prison cell with no outside contact while he slowly died...









the ****er

Well he lives in a cave and a prision cell would seem like a hotel room to him. :huh:

[DBella]

He may be dead (although I doubt it very much) but his ideology lives. Just because he's supposedly dead, it doesn't change much with regards to the war on terror. It'll be like the war against drugs... a neverending battle.

[Dew k. Mosi]

I am going to judge this the same way I judge deaths in Marvel. No body, no death

[7Hells]

He may be dead (although I doubt it very much) but his ideology lives. Just because he's supposedly dead, it doesn't change much with regards to the war on terror. It'll be like the war against drugs... a neverending battle.
True, but atleast this will give Bush or his successor an "out" in the occupation of Iraq.

[DBella]

True, but atleast this will give Bush or his successor an "out" in the occupation of Iraq.
How is that? What does Bin Laden's (supposedly) death have anything to do with the Iraqi occupation? I didn't support the war, but we created the mess so we have an obligation to help clean up the mess and not leave the people stranded when they need us.

[Clerk]

dude is like Ras Al Ghul...:whatever:

Buhahaha. :D

[Equint77]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/72/Daredevil46.jpg/225px-Daredevil46.jpg

If he died of Typhoid and no one's posted this.... I'll be disappointed in all those who claim they're comic fans. :(

[7Hells]

About the same thing the occupation of Iraq had to do with weapons of mass destruction.

[KingOfDreams]

Huh. Interesting.

[DBella]

About the same thing the occupation of Iraq had to do with weapons of mass destruction.
The Phantom WMDs you mean. So, we wage war on a country looking for something that can't be found, kill a large number people (sad word "collateral damage" is), topple a government, leave the country in a mess, turn it into a terrorist hotbed and... leave... before it's stable? That doesn't sound right.

[7Hells]

Im not suggesting we leave without picking up our own waste. Im just suggesting that its possible for our troops to stop creating the mess, if Bin Laden is considered dead, without a huge backlash from those that support the war.

[Matt]

Am I the only one who finds this timing incredibly convinent?

[7Hells]

nope

[Revolver_Ocelot]

I'll believe it when I see a body, and even then I'll probably be suspect.

[stryfe]

Dude, I thought the same thing. And I already came up with celldog's, lazur and cass' response.


"If this was an election year ploy, why is a French newspaper reporting it?:whatever: "


You did the same thing with the gas prices thread. Then when someone pointed out gas around the WORLD was going down your next post was you were just joking. Now your not joking again and again its the FRENCH reporting it not AMERICA.

AmericanT, joking or not to post R.I.P. with a sad face for his death is offensive to me and many others including those whos families have had members die.

[Erundur]

I am going to judge this the same way I judge deaths in Marvel. No body, no death

Agreed. :up:

[Future Prez]

Oh, the GOP is gonna have a field day with this one, regardless of whether he's dead, sick, alive or in perfect health. I can't wait to read tomorrow's paper to see how they manipulate this.

[XwolverineX]

He'll come back, all villains do.

[Topdawg]

Bin Laden is just a tool used by the american government to scare its people.

[hippy fascist]

Bin Laden is just a tool used by the american government to scare its people.

Keyser Soze

[Cyrusbales]

some say bin laden was never alive in the first place, it was just an actor playing a made up character. The services never released the original video's so people could check their true origins, It's a bit like 1984, where the party bomb their own people to promote social solidarity! (just someones theory, not mine)

[Daredevil886]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/72/Daredevil46.jpg/225px-Daredevil46.jpg

If he died of Typhoid and no one's posted this.... I'll be disappointed in all those who claim they're comic fans. :(

I have that issue!
:woot:

And I bet that motherf**ker died a long time ago.

[Backdrifter]

Osama Bin Laden isn't a real person to begin with.

[Antonello Blueberry]

I think that we should build a shrine in his honor. Maybe a big golden statue in Time's Square of his saluting the American flag. Companies could bid on who gets to build it. Halliburton could win the contract and we'll all live happily ever after.
Gold? You can build it with Coke cans. For how much the army is paying for it in Iraq (45$ a six-pack) is gold worth.

[stryfe]

I think that we should build a shrine in his honor. Maybe a big golden statue in Time's Square of his saluting the American flag. Companies could bid on who gets to build it. Halliburton could win the contract and we'll all live happily ever after.


Your stupidity is blinding.

Where are the mods for this? Beliefs about politics aside this shouldnt be allowed.

[Sloth7d]

Hahahahahahahah! Oh man. That's too much.

[Sloth7d]

But seriously, you should edit that post.

[stryfe]

Not a chance. I'm not responsible for any narrow-minded fools with wit as sharp as a balloon taking it seriously and not understanding the post's intention.


Im as open minded as they come and I still see your posts as well as your existance on this planet as useless and irrevelant. Welcome to ignore.

[7Hells]

Sounded like sarcasm to me.
Although, I admit, I dont know AmericanTs history on the boards.
We shouldnt excuse others sarcasm with laughter and not his just because he has American in his user name. ;)

[Fred_Fury]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=409191&in_page_id=1770&ct=5#StartComments

Prince Harry banned from Afghan war zone
By CHRISTOPHER LEAKE

Last updated at 22:00pm on 7th October 2006


Prince Harry is to be denied the chance of serving on the front line in the war in Afghanistan.

The decision by senior commanders will be a huge blow to the Prince, who only recently threatened to quit the Army unless he was allowed to fight alongside his fellow officers.

Although a formal decision on future postings for the third in line to the throne has yet to be made, senior sources in the Prince's regiment, the Household Cavalry, say that they believe it is too dangerous for him to deploy to Afghanistan. The move will have important ramifications for the Royals, generations of whom have served in the Armed Forces.

If Harry, 21, is not sent to Afghanistan it raises questions over whether Royals should join the armed services in the future. Harry would have been only the second Royal since the Second World War to be posted to a battle zone. The other was Prince Andrew, who flew Sea King helicopters in the Falklands War in 1982.







Well thats bullsquat, hes in the army, he should be treated just like everybody else.

[comicgirl]

Wtf?

[Mr Sparkle]

Well thats bullsquat, hes in the army, he should be treated just like everybody else.


no, don't worry, he'll protect the world form someplace else.
I'm sure he can fly some airplanes 3,000 miles away from conflict.

that passes for military service in wartime right?:heart:

[Revolver_Ocelot]

You can't really blame them for protecting the prince.

[comicgirl]

You can't really blame them for protecting the prince.if they have to protect him, he shouldn't be there

[7Hells]

I agree, whats the point of him being in the military if he cant serve?
Poor kid wants to put his money where his mouth is and they arent letting him.

[GoldenAgeHero]

who cares. the war in afgan is pointless.

[Revolver_Ocelot]

I agree, whats the point of him being in the military if he cant serve?
Poor kid wants to put his money where his mouth is and they arent letting him.

Because it obviously looks good for them if the prince is active in the military
But they don't want to actually put him in harms way

[7Hells]

Thats obvious but it should be his choice.
Unless this is just an organized publicity stunt the prince is in on.
Which wouldnt surprise me.

[StorminNorman]

If Prince Harry is mature and intelligent enough to eventually be one of the most influencial people in England, he should be mature and intelligent enough to be able to decide if he can fight for England or not.

[WeaponZ2]

who cares. the war in afgan is pointless.

No the war in Iraq is pointless :o.

[Arkady Rossovich]

Britain will not have a possible heir to the throne in a useless war.Simple.

[Holly Goodhead]

No the war in Iraq is pointless :o.

The war anywhere is pointless. :whatever:

[Sandman138]

You can't really blame them for protecting the prince.

Yes I can. It used to be that kings lead their countrymen into war rather than sent them off. If the prince wants to bring back this honorable tradition he should damn well be able to.

[Matt]

I gotta give it up to him for trying to go anyhow.

[StorminNorman]

Britain will not have a possible heir to the throne in a useless war.Simple.

Then put any British solider in a so-called "useless war"?

[hippie_hunter]

Britain will not have a possible heir to the throne in a useless war.Simple.

Unlike the Iraq war. The war in Afghanistan is not pointless. We went there to capture Osama bin Laden in retailation for the 9-11 attacks and overthrow the government that wouldn't hand him over.

[KingOfDreams]

who cares. the war in afgan is pointless.

I don't know if I'd say pointless. It has more or a point, or rather makes more sense, than the war in Iraq...as far as justification goes. And it's pretty ridiculous that it's still going on. But hey, that's what you get for trying to fight two wars at once. "Mission Accomplished" my ass.

[KingOfDreams]

Yes I can. It used to be that kings lead their countrymen into war rather than sent them off. If the prince wants to bring back this honorable tradition he should damn well be able to.

I'm not saying I disagree with you but this is 2006, not 1306. Still, if he wants to go he should be allowed. But I don't know if somebody as pampered as him could hack it.

[sinewave]

After Pat’s Birthday

Posted on Oct 19, 2006
Pat and Kevin Tillman
Courtesy the Tillman Family

http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/kevin_pat_350.jpg
Pat Tillman (left) and his brother Kevin stand in front of a Chinook helicopter in Saudi Arabia before their tour of duty as Army Rangers in Iraq in 2003.

By Kevin Tillman

Editor’s note: Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, who was discharged in 2005, has written a powerful, must-read document.



It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we get out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.



Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

Somehow torture is tolerated.

Somehow lying is tolerated.

Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

Somehow this is tolerated.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.



Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,

Kevin Tillman

Link (http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/)

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.
Beautiful.

[Superman]

:csad:

[jaguarr]

And there are people who actually scoff when I tell them there are soldiers who don't believe in the war they are fighting.

jag

[Ben Urich]

Dude. :up:

[Lackey]

poor idiots for joining in the first place :csad:


glad he's come to his senses, though.

[Lackey]

http://boortz.com/images/funny/tillman_cartoon.jpg

[Superman]

poor idiots for joining in the first place :csad:


glad he's come to his senses, though.I'm sorry but I don't think they are "idiots" for joining. They was just misled into this war.

[Lackey]

http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/trall/2005/trall050203.gif

[Wilhelm-Scream]

poor idiots for joining in the first place :csad:


glad he's come to his senses, though.Well, I see no problem with those who joined after 9/11 to go to AFGHANISTAN.
It's just that they weren't educated about P.N.A.C. and didn't know that Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rove had already planned to use 9/11 to "justify" returning to Iraq years before Bush even stole the election.
That's why it's important to not just blanket-dismiss all "crackpot conspiracy theories" but to actually do some research about those who are in power.

'Cause...guess what. Those who are in power, um.....lie.

[jaguarr]

Well, I see no problem with those who joined after 9/11 to go to AFGHANISTAN.
It's just that they weren't educated about P.N.A.C. and didn't know that Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rove had already planned to use 9/11 to "justify" returning to Iraq years before Bush even stole the election.
That's why it's important to not just blanket-dismiss all "crackpot conspiracy theories" but to actually do some research about those who are in power.

'Cause...guess what. Those who are in power, um.....lie.

Some wisdom from Mr. Rollins seems appropriate right about now...

You think youre gonna to live your life alone
In darkness
And seclusion
Yeah I know
Youve been out there
Tried to mix with those animals
And it just left you full of humiliated confusion
So you stagger back home
And wait for nothing
But the solitary refinement of your room spits you back out onto the street
And now youre desperate
And in need of human contact
And then
You meet me
And you whole world changes
Because everything I say is everything youve ever wanted to hear
So you drop all your defenses and you drop all your fears
And you trust me completely
Im perfect
In every way
Cause I make you feel so strong and so powerful inside
You feel so lucky
But your ego obscures reality
And you never bother to wonder why
Things are going so well
You wanna know why?
Cause Im a liar
Yeah Im a liar
Ill tear your mind out
Ill burn your soul
Ill turn you into me
Ill turn you into me
Cause Im a liar, a liar
A liar, a liar

Ill hide behind a smile
And understanding eyes
And Ill tell you things that you already know
So you can say
I really identify with you, so much
And all the time that youre needing me
Is just the time that Im bleeding you
Dont you get it yet?
Ill come to you like an affliction
And Ill leave you like an addiction
Youll never forget me
You wanna know why?
Cause Im a liar
Yeah Im a liar
Ill rip your mind out
Ill burn your soul
Ill turn you into me
Ill turn you into me
Cause Im a liar, a liar
Liar, liar, liar, liar

I dont know why I feel the need to lie
And cause you so much pain
Maybe its something inside
Maybe its something I cant explain
Cause all I do
Is mess you up and lie to you
Im a liar
Oh, I am a liar

If youll give me one more chance
I swear that I will never lie to you again
Because now I see the destructive power of a lie
Theyre stronger than truth
I cant believe I ever hurt you
I swear
I will never to you lie again, please
Just give me one more chance
I will never lie to you again
I swear
That I will never tell a lie
I will never tell a lie
No, no
Ha ha ha ha ha hah haa haa haa haaa
Sucker
Sucker!
Oh, sucker
I am a liar
Yeah, I am a liar
Yeah I like it
I feel good
Ohh I am a liar
Yeah
I lie
I lie
I lie
Oh, I lie
Oh I lie
I lie
Yeah
Ohhh Im a liar
I lie
Yeah
I like it
I feel good
Ill lie again
And again
Ill lie again and again
And Ill keep lying
I promise




jag

[Wilhelm-Scream]

And Ill tell you things that you already know
So you can say
I really identify with you, so much
Ha, that is so Bush.
I can't even watch his press conferences or speeches for comedic value anymore 'cause without fail he stands there and says stuff like,
"We need to unite and end poverty and improve education", "It's important that people have jobs and are free to live in safety.", "AIDS is a global problem."

And I'm like, "YEAH! Thanks...we know. The question is, what are you going to do ABOUT all of this?"
:rolleyes:

[demento]

Haters! Only the Republicans can keep us safe. The already infamous new RNC video:

http://www.rnc.org/

[sinewave]

Haters! Only the Republicans can keep us safe. The already infamous new RNC video:

http://www.rnc.org/

man, just more fear-mongering. that's about the only trick they have left. that smacks of desperation.

[Superman]

Think I'll bump this for anyone who hasn't read it yet.:yay:

[LastSunrise1981]

::Waits for the Republican supporters to denounce the letter and to call it liberal bias::

[LastSunrise1981]

Haters! Only the Republicans can keep us safe. The already infamous new RNC video:

http://www.rnc.org/

More fear tactics. But knowing how stupid some of the American people are they'll buy into that video and vote Republicans.

How many times have Republicans said America will be attacked and nothing has happened? Of course, O'Reilly and Hannity will be using these same kind of fear tactics very, very soon.