The Clinton Thread

[HellOnEarth]

This is a thread meant for the discussion of the Clinton family. From President Clinton's presidency and post-presidency, to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign and Secretary of State appointment, to Chelsea Clinton's recent engagement, to the Clinton Global Initiative, the Clinton Presidential Center, and the Clinton Foundation.

William J. Clinton Foundation
www.clintonfoundation.org (http://www.clintonfoundation.org)

The Clinton Global Initiative
www.clintonglobalinitiative.org (http://www.clintonglobalinitiative.org)

Willaim J. Clinton Presidential Center
www.clintonpresidentialcenter.org (http://www.clintonpresidentialcenter.org)

[Manic]

Would you rather have Bush or Ms. Clinton?

If you had to choose between the two (because there is a gun aimed at your head) who would you choose?
I'd take the bullet.

[HellOnEarth]

What's so bad about Hillary?

I'm voting for her in the upcoming election. She will win. How much do you want to make a bet?

[Elijya]

I'd take the bullet.
the only correct answer

[HellOnEarth]

You guys are f**ked up in your head. :(

[Poetic Chaos]

Whatever gets Bill back in the White House. He'd be so fitting as the first First Gentleman.

[Man-Thing]

It takes a village to keep Hillary out of the white house.

[KingOfDreams]

Whatever gets Bill back in the White House. He'd be so fitting as the first First Gentleman.

Can't argue with that.

[Man-Thing]

Can't argue with that.

Yeah Bill done so many great things...
:rolleyes:

[Corinthian™]

Yeah Bill done so many great things...

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[Man-Thing]

why?

I put a warning up.

[Man-Thing]

will you take my quote out of your post Cor?

[KingOfDreams]

Yeah Bill done so many great things...
:rolleyes:

Yeah, like Bush has done so much better. :whatever:

[Man-Thing]

didn't say he did.:confused:

[Corinthian™]

will you take my quote out of your post Cor?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, no:woot:

[Man-Thing]

nothing in the rules against it (that I've seen) and I did make an effort so...

[jimmy]

If Hillary became the next President, H.L. Mencken would come back to life and kill her.

[Motown Marvel]

i dont know too much about hillary's politics, but she sounds pretty shady....but it would just be cool to have a female president...and bill as the first gentleman would be classic!

[Ben Urich]

Obama.

[Manic]

Hillary is such a b****, there's no way I'd vote for her. Then again, she is the first Democrat with balls to run for president in a decade.

[celldog]

http://www.onejerusalem.com/wp-content/photos/iran_president_Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad.jpghttp://www.usasurvival.org/images/hillary.jpg

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[7Hells]

Hillary is such a b****, there's no way I'd vote for her. Then again, she is the first Democrat with balls to run for president in a decade.
thats hilarious :)
...because its true.

[7Hells]

The democratic party needs to put someone in the race that actually has democratic viewpoints.
Today democrats are so flippin' right-winged they might a well be republicans.
They need someone that is liberal so people can tell the fricken difference and get excited enough about a change to go out and vote.

[Danger Mouse]

The real question is how many here really thinks Mrs. Clinton will actually win if she runs?

[celldog]

The democratic party needs to put someone in the race that actually has democratic viewpoints.
Today democrats are so flippin' right-winged they might a well be republicans.
They need someone that is liberal so people can tell the fricken difference and get excited enough about a change to go out and vote.


Like who??????? Name one Democrat who's right-winged?

[7Hells]

^thats a joke right?

[celldog]

^thats a joke right?

No. I'm dead serious. Who??

Pelosi?
Kerry?

[Sunstar]

Shouldn't there be a poll for this thread?

Oh and Bush can't run for president again since this is his last term! I think the Republicans want Rudi Guliani to run for President.

If I were American I'd vote for Hillary Clinton!:D

[kainedamo]

It would be a big change. A change that America really sorely needs.

And yes Celldog, as afraid of liberals you are, you and many Americans (including the Democrats) wouldn't know a liberal if he came up and bit you in the ass.

[Milkman95]

No.

[Immortalfire]

Hillary ain't Happening.

[Erzengel]

A few thoughts:

Hillary wouldn't win any of the red midwestern states as a Democrat.

As liberal as California or the East is, I really don't think she'd get as many votes as a woman. I think we have more sexists than they let on.

Women won't vote for Hillary simply because she's a woman.

Lastly, Hillary isn't likable. You'd think after being "married" to Bill she could have picked up a little bit of his charm.

[Gonking]

why there isn't a left wing party in the US?

I would vote it

[lazur]

No to Hitlery.

[jaguarr]

Hillary tries to appeal to everybody on every issue, which leads to a lot of waffling on issues. She's a great schmoozer, but when you start peeling back her politics, she's pretty damned conservative and might as well be a Republican. I really don't think she's qualified for the job, anyway, to be honest. She's not exactly set the world on fire in her congressional career and hasn't demonstrated any abilities that earmark her as a good choice to lead this country. The best bet the Democrats have is Mark Warner, who's a demonstrated leader with excellent diplomatic skills. He's on the moderate side of liberal, too, and would be a viable choice for both liberals and more conservative voters alike.

jag

[Spider-Bite]

A few thoughts:

Hillary wouldn't win any of the red midwestern states as a Democrat.

As liberal as California or the East is, I really don't think she'd get as many votes as a woman. I think we have more sexists than they let on.

Women won't vote for Hillary simply because she's a woman.

Lastly, Hillary isn't likable. You'd think after being "married" to Bill she could have picked up a little bit of his charm.

first off it does not matter how much she wins by in california, as long as she wins it, she still gets all of that state's electoral votes.

As a woman, she would dominate the woman vote more than democrats usually do. The majroity of females vote demcorat, and the majority of males vote republican. Hillary could possibly create a higher turn out because she's a woman.

Rudy will probably win the nomination and the general election, but he also might screw himself after winning the nomination beause he's pro-gay marriage and he's pro-choice. This would deenergize his base signifigantly.

Here is the real question. Do you guys think Hillary would be fiscally conservative like Clinton was? With the deficit Bush has left us we so desperately need fiscal conservatism.

[Spider-Bite]

Hillary tries to appeal to everybody on every issue, which leads to a lot of waffling on issues. She's a great schmoozer, but when you start peeling back her politics, she's pretty damned conservative and might as well be a Republican. I really don't think she's qualified for the job, anyway, to be honest. She's not exactly set the world on fire in her congressional career and hasn't demonstrated any abilities that earmark her as a good choice to lead this country. The best bet the Democrats have is Mark Warner, who's a demonstrated leader with excellent diplomatic skills. He's on the moderate side of liberal, too, and would be a viable choice for both liberals and more conservative voters alike.

jag

I can't even find out where he stands on a lot of issues, but I do know he's fiscally conservative and being a democrat that makes for the perfect combination in my book.

[Erzengel]

You just reminded me of when she was trying to get elected to the Senate for NY and was asked who do you like Yankees or Mets and she blurbed out how she like both. You don't find many NYers who say both. It's either one or the other. I know it's trivial but in hindsight, it seems to be her mo on most issues.

[Man-Thing]

You just reminded me of when she was trying to get elected to the Senate for NY and was asked who do you like Yankees or Mets and she blurbed out how she like both. You don't find many NYers who say both. It's either one or the other. I know it's trivial but in hindsight, it seems to be her mo on most issues.
she's not a "New Yorker" so she's exempt.

[Erzengel]

As a woman, she would dominate the woman vote more than democrats usually do. The majroity of females vote demcorat, and the majority of males vote republican. Hillary could possibly create a higher turn out because she's a woman.



In the 2004 election, exit polls showed 46% of the votes were men 54% were female.

48% voted for Bush while 51% voted for Kerry. That 48% is up 5% from 2000.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

Secondly, like I said, I think most of our country is still a lil sexist. I doubt there'd be as many as you think voting for her.

[Erzengel]

she's not a "New Yorker" so she's exempt.

Neither was Bloomberg and he's from Boston and now he publically supports the Yankees.

[The Squirrel]

Would you rather have Bush or Ms. Clinton?

If you had to choose between the two (because there is a gun aimed at your head) who would you choose?


Bush.

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I want Hillary Clinton as my next Sex-Slave.

[Man-Thing]

You know who would make a good president?

That guy who played booger in revenge of the nerds.:up:

oh wait, he is president.

[Erzengel]

She may not even run in 2008.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2340352,00.html

FRIENDS of Hillary Clinton have been whispering the unthinkable. Despite her status as the runaway frontrunner for the 2008 Democratic nomination for president, some of her closest advisers say she might opt out of the White House race and seek to lead her party in the Senate.
The former first lady longs to return to the White House with husband Bill as consort. Only last week she told television viewers America would be led by a woman one day. “Stay tuned,” she said.



First, however, she has to win the election. Some Democratic party elders — the American equivalent of the Tories’ “men in grey suits” — say Clinton may back out of the race of her own volition.

“I would not be surprised if she were to decide that the best contribution she can make to her country is to forget about being president and become a consensus-maker in the Senate,” said a leading Democratic party insider. “She believes there is no trust between the two political sides and that we can’t function as a democracy without it.”

As senator for New York, Clinton has forged alliances across party lines with leading Republicans such as Senator John McCain and Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House of Representatives. In the eyes of the electorate, however, she is a potentially divisive figure.

A recent poll for Time magazine showed that 53% of the electorate said they had a favourable impression of Clinton and only 44% viewed her negatively, figures that President George W Bush can only dream of at the moment. Even so, 53% of independent voters said they would not vote for her.

“The prospect of a Hillary for President campaign has put much of the Democratic establishment in a bind,” Time concluded. “The early line is that Hillary would be unstoppable in a Democratic primary but unelectable in a general election.”

The solution, insiders say, is for Clinton to take over as Senate minority leader in 2009 from the lacklustre Harry Reid, senator for Nevada. One well-respected blog, The Washington Note, recently claimed that Reid privately told Clinton the job was hers if she gave up her presidential ambitions.

[MagicPrime]

Well, in the ideal situation i would vote for the Green party candidate. Because i am very much a supporter of the enviroment etc. But voting for a 3rd party is just like not voting at all. I am also very liberal so voting for a conservative republican is defiantly out - as is the same with many of the so-called Democrats.

But I would vote for her, just so Bill Clinton could be back in the media on the large scale. I bet he would get more attention as the First Lord (opposite of Lady - don't really know what they would call him.) then she would.

[USMC]

The environment is lame. :o

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Hahaha, yeah. It's so fragile and needy. :down

[Fran]

I'm not sexist at all, but NO to Hillary.

[HellOnEarth]

why then?

[MagicPrime]

The environment is lame. :o

You've completley redefined my perception on life... why didn't i see it before. We're humans! We have the god given right to rape this planet untill there is nothing left and then die slow painful deaths on a barren world! :unishr:

[lazur]

As "pro woman" as democrats claim to be, I seriously have doubts that Hillary could even get her own party's nomination, let alone actually win a Presidential election.

[Erzengel]

I think she could get her party's nomination but as reasons as previously stated would not win the election.

[Cyclops]

I would pick Bush because he constitutionally can't serve a third term. :) :p

[Poetic Chaos]

Gore or Gavin Newsom.

[Dwarf lord]

Guliani in '08. I've been saying it since 2004. And he has the power to win, I believe.

[Arkady Rossovich]

What's so bad about Hillary??

For over 200 years The United States Of America has been run by a male president and mostly male congress.Its now a unwritten law,for a woman to come and break this cycle is unthinkable.Its a living right to show that men still rule this planet.:thing:

[Tangled Web]

Kerry, Gore or McKain.

[Tangled Web]

Kerry, Gore or McKain.

[Tangled Web]

Kerry, Gore or McKain.

[hippie_hunter]

As a New Yorker, let me tell you that both senators from New York state suck major ass. Concerning Hillary I'll tell you why she's a horrible senator.

SHE'S A BIG FAT FAKE PHONEY!

Everything she does is for vote gathering. She's trying to appeal to all groups so that she can run for President in 2008. Because of this she is seen as too liberal by many Republicans, too conservative by many democrats, and a big fat FAKE in front of many moderates such as myself.

[Poetic Chaos]

San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newom. He's young, handsome and has an 80%+ approval rating.

[Addendum]

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/8246/walkenforpres8gp.jpg

[hippie_hunter]

San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newom. He's young, handsome and has an 80%+ approval rating.

Let's see a liberal mayor who is the mayor of a VERY liberal city. The 80% approval rating is not surprising. Not going to happen, while he may be well liked in his own city, he is far too liberal to win an election, especially after the gay marriage debacle.

[hippie_hunter]

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/8246/walkenforpres8gp.jpg

I'm voting for Zod :o

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/af/Generalzod.jpg

[Alonsovich]

http://img334.imageshack.us/img334/8246/walkenforpres8gp.jpg

LOL...http://img58.imageshack.us/img58/3329/descojono2eb4.gif

[Spider-Bite]

As a New Yorker, let me tell you that both senators from New York state suck major ass. Concerning Hillary I'll tell you why she's a horrible senator.

SHE'S A BIG FAT FAKE PHONEY!

Everything she does is for vote gathering. She's trying to appeal to all groups so that she can run for President in 2008. Because of this she is seen as too liberal by many Republicans, too conservative by many democrats, and a big fat FAKE in front of many moderates such as myself.

being fake makes her different from other politicians how?

[Assassin]

lol som eone called her Hitlery, and no one noticed

[Clouseau]

after months of trying to come up with the perfect political bumper sticker, someone has finally done it... all it says is, "RUN HILLARY RUN!"

Democrats put it on the rear bumper... Republicans put it on the front...

[hippie_hunter]

being fake makes her different from other politicians how?

Most politicians these days tend to stick to their core groups for votes, Republicans tend to cater the religious, the wealthy, etc. Democrats tend to cater the African Americans, labor, etc. Hillary is trying to encompass all of them. While most politicians are phoneys, you can at least tell where they stand on their politics. Hillary can't even hide the obviousness of her phoneness. She'll try to pose as a moderate, claim to even be one, when she isn't. She is just riding on her husband's name. Also, unlike her husband, she is just so damn unlikeable.

[The Lumberjack]

I don't want a woman in the White House. It's as plain and simple as that. Is it sexist? Hell yes it is. I just don't believe this country is ready for a female President and neither is the world for that matter.

[Addendum]

I honestly don't give a damn if Hillary is elected or not

[SoulManX]

NEW YORK - New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Hillary+Rodham+Clinton) says on her Web site that she is entering the 2008 presidential race.

Clinton's announcement, coming days after Sen. Barack Obama (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/politics/news/ap/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008/21642765/*http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=news-storylinks&p=%22Barack%20Obama%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw), bio (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/bio/ap/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008/21642765/SIG=118ul297o/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/?id=3181), voting record (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/vote/ap/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008/21642765/SIG=11hbic58m/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/keyvotes/?id=3181)) shook up the 2008 race with his bid to become the first black to occupy the White House, establishes the most diverse political field. Clinton is considered the front-runner, with Obama and 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=John+Edwards) top contenders. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who would be the first Hispanic, intends to announce his plans on Sunday.

With millions in the bank, a vast network of supporters and top status in nearly every poll of Democratic contenders, Clinton has launched the most viable effort by a female candidate to capture the White House. She is the first presidential spouse to pursue the office; her husband, Bill, served two terms in the White House from 1993-2001.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070120/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008

[Mr. Credible]

i'd like to see the hillary as the next president.

i mean, she can't be worse than bush, right?

[Matt]

God I hope she fails.

[SoulManX]

God I hope she fails.

:dry:

[Kebab gud]

she is the only person that will get us (the rest of the world) to forgive you all

[Matt]

:dry:

What? She will be just like Kerry in a general election. She will appeal to the northern states but get nothing in the south. The 12-state strategy or whatever John Kerry used simply won't work.

[Matt]

she is the only person that will get us (the rest of the world) to forgive you all

Why?

[SoulManX]

What? She will be just like Kerry in a general election. She will appeal to the northern states but get nothing in the south. The 12-state strategy or whatever John Kerry used simply won't work.

Ah but she has Billy in her corner...that should help her right?

[Matt]

Ah but she has Billy in her corner...that should help her right?

Not really. Bill is too damn polarizing. Democrats adore him, Republicans despise him. We need a moderate candidate who can reach out to the moderate Republicans who have felt betrayed by Bush's neo-con policies.

[SoulManX]

But what other high profile choices do the Dems have.

Warner, Edwards, Obama, etc. I mean people loved her husband maybe it might work for her...maybe.:ninja:

[SoulManX]

Not really. Bill is too damn polarizing. Democrats adore him, Republicans despise him. We need a moderate candidate who can reach out to the moderate Republicans who have felt betrayed by Bush's neo-con policies.

You don't see Hill being able to do that?

[Matt]

But what other high profile choices do the Dems have.

Warner, Edwards, Obama, etc. I mean people loved her husband maybe it might work for her...maybe.:ninja:

Edwards has southern appeal, as does Warner. Obama will have the same troubles as Hilary. All Bill will do is make Democrats happy.

[Matt]

You don't see Hill being able to do that?

Hilary is hardly a moderate. She is a female John Kerry.

[sinewave]

there's really no ideal candidate in the running so far. they're all quite flawed in one way or another. i hate the double-standard that a neo-conservative can get elected twice but a liberal is considered too polarizing.

[SoulManX]

Hilary is hardly a moderate. She is a female John Kerry.

Ouch the kiss of death.

[sinewave]

Edwards has southern appeal, as does Warner. Obama will have the same troubles as Hilary. All Bill will do is make Democrats happy.

what significant things has edwards done, politically speaking? i know he's a charismatic guy from the south, and i like that he was one of the first to admit he made a mistake by voting to give bush power to invade iraq, but what was his record like when he was a senator, or since?

[SoulManX]

what significant things has edwards done, politically speaking? i know he's a charismatic guy from the south, and i like that he was one of the first to admit he made a mistake by voting to give bush power to invade iraq, but what was his record like when he was a senator, or since?


U got a point Sine...

[Matt]

there's really no ideal candidate in the running so far. they're all quite flawed in one way or another. i hate the double-standard that a neo-conservative can get elected twice but a liberal is considered too polarizing.

Well, like it or not there are more neo-cons and Christian extremists than there are green party members who would elect an extreme liberal.

[Immortalfire]

Loser

[Matt]

what significant things has edwards done, politically speaking? i know he's a charismatic guy from the south, and i like that he was one of the first to admit he made a mistake by voting to give bush power to invade iraq, but what was his record like when he was a senator, or since?

Weren't you the one who said charisma was enough for Barack Obama?

[sinewave]

Well, like it or not there are more neo-cons and Christian extremists than there are green party members who would elect an extreme liberal.

i know. it just bugs me that those of us on the other side of the aisle have to endure that extreme while not getting a chance to turn the tables on them.

[SoulManX]

Weren't you the one who said charisma was enough for Barack Obama?

I don't know I just don't see a black guy in the White House in my life time.

[Matt]

i know. it just bugs me that those of us on the other side of the aisle have to endure that extreme while not getting a chance to turn the tables on them.

Such is life.

[sinewave]

Weren't you the one who said charisma was enough for Barack Obama?

yep, and since that was shot down i'd like to know what, if anything aside from being from the south, separates the two?

[Showtime]

Edwards has southern appeal, as does Warner. Obama will have the same troubles as Hilary. All Bill will do is make Democrats happy.

Edward's so called "Southern Appeal" didn't help John Kerry at all. Edwards looked like a little kid riding a deer in headlights in the debate with Cheney, and his speech to a crowd before Kerry conceded was far short of injecting cofindence in Kerry supporters. With a country in turmoil, I have no confidence in Edward's righting the ship and uniting.

[Matt]

yep, and since that was shot down i'd like to know what, if anything aside from being from the south, separates the two?

Absolutely nothing. But being from the south is a big ass deal, like it or not.

[sinewave]

Edward's so called "Southern Appeal" didn't help John Kerry at all. Edwards looked like a little kid riding a deer in headlights in the debate with Cheney, and his speech to a crowd before Kerry conceded was far short of injecting cofindence in Kerry supporters. With a country in turmoil, I have no confidence in Edward's righting the ship and uniting.

i think he could unite the country a bit, but "righting the ship" is going to take the help of a lot of intelligent individuals over a significant amount of time.

[Matt]

Edward's so called "Southern Appeal" didn't help John Kerry at all. Edwards looked like a little kid riding a deer in headlights in the debate with Cheney, and his speech to a crowd before Kerry conceded was far short of injecting cofindence in Kerry supporters. With a country in turmoil, I have no confidence in Edward's righting the ship and uniting.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Edwards fan either. I want Warner to run. I just think Edwards has a better shot than Hilary or Obama.

[sinewave]

Absolutely nothing. But being from the south is a big ass deal, like it or not.

i wish succession really happened. :(

[Matt]

i wish succession really happened. :(

Not me. Can you imagine the Southern states with nukes? :wow: :ninja: :wow:

[Showtime]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Edwards fan either. I want Warner to run. I just think Edwards has a better shot than Hilary or Obama.

The problem is that he is associated with Kerry, who couldn't even beat George Bush, whose public opinion had dropped severely around election time. I think he is considered "a loser" in most of the public's eye.

It can be compared to Al Gore, I think he would have won the election if he accepted the help of Bill Clinton. The problem is his pride got in the way and he lost the chance. He didn't want to be associated with Bill, while Edward's is going to be kicking himself for beeing associated with Kerry.

[sinewave]

Not me. Can you imagine the Southern states with nukes? :wow: :ninja: :wow:

YEEEEHAAAAWWWWW!!!!

[SoulManX]

Not me. Can you imagine the Southern states with nukes? :wow: :ninja: :wow:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/7356/2204slimpickensdrstrang9ig.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Spider-Bite]

I feel really bad for Hillary. She's been looking forward to this for so long, and planning every minute of her life for this moment and out of nowhere comes Obama. I like Obama, but i feel bad for Hillary.

[SoulManX]

I feel really bad for Hillary. She's been looking forward to this for so long, and planning every minute of her life for this moment and out of nowhere comes Obama. I like Obama, but i feel bad for Hillary.

Maybe they should switch places...

Obama Prez

Hill VP

:ninja:

[phoenix_force]

i hope she wins
shes better than bush

[Spider-Bite]

Maybe they should switch places...

Obama Prez

Hill VP

:ninja:


I don't think that ticket would win, but a Hillary nomination choosing Obama for her vice president could go really well.

[Gonking]

she is the only person that will get us (the rest of the world) to forgive you all

it depends on what she do as president

[Darthphere]

Hilary seems like shes wild in the sack.

[Mr Sparkle]

there's really no ideal candidate in the running so far. they're all quite flawed in one way or another. i hate the double-standard that a neo-conservative can get elected twice but a liberal is considered too polarizing.

:up:

[Gonking]

go Rudy!

[hippie_hunter]

i hope she wins
shes better than bush

I don't think so. Hillary Clinton is a fake. She's doing everything she can to pander votes. At least with Bush, he comes right out that he's a neo-con jackass.

[Chris B]

Like a lot of people, I don't want Hillary Clinton to emerge as the Democratic nominee in 2008. I would prefer seeing John Edwards, Bill Richardson, or Mark Warner taking it. I wouldn't mind Al Gore making a comeback either. A Mark Warner/Evan Bayh ticket is still my ideal ticket.

[hippie_hunter]

she is the only person that will get us (the rest of the world) to forgive you all

I just love how you all act like George Bush is the reason why the rest of the world hates us. Newsflash, you people b***hed at the United States way before Bush took office. Bush just made it worse. Whether it's Hillary Clinton or George W. Bush or Rudy Gulliani or Al Sharpton, it doesn't matter, but as long as the United States is a superpower, you people will continue to b***h and moan and whine on how the United States is the cause of the worlds problems.

F**k you guys.

[hippie_hunter]

Like a lot of people, I don't want Hillary Clinton to emerge as the Democratic nominee in 2008. I would prefer seeing John Edwards, Bill Richardson, or Mark Warner taking it. I wouldn't mind Al Gore making a comeback either.

Gore should be the head of the EPA.

[LuiECuomo]

Are you 35 or over yet, hippie_hunter?

[hippie_hunter]

Are you 35 or over yet, hippie_hunter?

I'm turning 19 next month, why?

[jaguarr]

Like a lot of people, I don't want Hillary Clinton to emerge as the Democratic nominee in 2008. I would prefer seeing John Edwards, Bill Richardson, or Mark Warner taking it. I wouldn't mind Al Gore making a comeback either. A Mark Warner/Evan Bayh ticket is still my ideal ticket.

I agree with you. Hillary Clinton would be a mess as President. If her campaign team "dug this up" on Obama then she's already tipping her hat that she's willing to play dirty and quite frankly I'm tired of that ****. A Warner/Bayh ticket would definitely get my vote.

jag

[hippie_hunter]

If Hillary wins the nomination, she will lose the race. Any other Democrat will win the race unless Rudy Guilliani or John McCain (or hopefully both) win the nomination for their party.

[Chris B]

I agree with you. Hillary Clinton would be a mess as President. If her campaign team "dug this up" on Obama then she's already tipping her hat that she's willing to play dirty and quite frankly I'm tired of that ****. A Warner/Bayh ticket would definitely get my vote.

jag

It's a shame that neither stayed in the race.

Something that I find interesting is that Political Wire reported that Mark Warner was still traveling to the early primary states as well as California and New York. An advisor said that it is part of a national gratitude tour, and added that by doing this, Warner reserves the option to run for President. Coincides with the reports last month that he was reconsidering. I wonder if this suggests that he is leaning towards jumping back in for '08?

[jaguarr]

It's a shame that neither stayed in the race.

Something that I find interesting is that Political Wire reported that Mark Warner was still traveling to the early primary states as well as California and New York. An advisor said that it is part of a national gratitude tour, and added that by doing this, Warner reserves the option to run for President. Coincides with the reports last month that he was reconsidering. I wonder if this suggests that he is leaning towards jumping back in for '08?

Warner announced he was re-considering and had formed an exploratory committee about a month and a half ago or so. That's why he's workin' it.

jag

[sinewave]

I agree with you. Hillary Clinton would be a mess as President. If her campaign team "dug this up" on Obama then she's already tipping her hat that she's willing to play dirty and quite frankly I'm tired of that ****. A Warner/Bayh ticket would definitely get my vote.

jag

dug what up?

[jaguarr]

dug what up?

The OP insinuated that Clinton's campaign team are the ones that "discovered" that Obama really comes from a Muslim household. (I'm apparently crossing threads with my posts. Need to drink my green tea. :o ).

jag

[sinewave]

The OP insinuated that Clinton's campaign team are the ones that "discovered" that Obama really comes from a Muslim household.

jag

i hadn't heard that. what do you mean he came from a muslim household? was he born a muslim and converted to christianity or is he still secretly a muslim?

[Chris B]

Warner announced he was re-considering and had formed an exploratory committee about a month and a half ago or so. That's why he's workin' it.

jag

He did? Do you have the link to the story? I had only heard that he was reconsidering.

[jaguarr]

i hadn't heard that. what do you mean he came from a muslim household? was he born a muslim and converted to christianity or is he still secretly a muslim?

There's another thread on it on the first page of Community.

jag

[sinewave]

thnx. i'll check it out.

[jaguarr]

He did? Do you have the link to the story? I had only heard that he was reconsidering.

It was a quick blip and was pretty understated, but I do remember him doing that after he'd already announced he was pulling out of the primary race to spend time with his family. I'm too lazy to go Google it. :)

jag

[Chris B]

It was a quick blip and was pretty understated, but I do remember him doing that after he'd already announced he was pulling out of the primary race to spend time with his family. I'm too lazy to go Google it. :)

jag

Do you mean his Forward Together PAC?

[Movies205]

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/default.aspx

This is the funniest thing I have ever seen in terms of political video. You'll notice half-way through, you'll get this wierd nostalgic feeling, you'll start wondering where have I seen this before. And then it'll hit you, it's a repackaged Liberty Mutal Life insurrance commericial. Everytime I watch it I keep waiting for Alex Trebeck to come out and say, "Liberty Mutual ensures you an insurance that won't raise it's premium!" It's complete with a story of life back in Kansas!

Seriously... The democrats are ****ed... Both of there lead players for the presidential bid is a black man and a woman, now I'm not a racist nor a msyoginist but saddly America is. The first of either will come out of the republican party. Also Hilary Clinton got way too much baggage in her past as well the fact that I don't know if she can over-come the stigma of being an insincere *****, if Kerry couldn't, why do Democrats think she can?

[PhotoJones]

my take:

if you really look at hillary's voting record, she's pretty damn conservative.

i've seen edwards talk, and he's a fake piece of ****.

obama may have a chance. i like him.

but really...anything's better than a republican.

[KormanRogers]

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/default.aspx

This is the funniest thing I have ever seen in terms of political video. You'll notice half-way through, you'll get this wierd nostalgic feeling, you'll start wondering where have I seen this before. And then it'll hit you, it's a repackaged Liberty Mutal Life insurrance commericial. Everytime I watch it I keep waiting for Alex Trebeck to come out and say, "Liberty Mutual ensures you an insurance that won't raise it's premium!" It's complete with a story of life back in Kansas!

Seriously... The democrats are ****ed... Both of there lead players for the presidential bid is a black man and a woman, now I'm not a racist nor a msyoginist but saddly America is. The first of either will come out of the republican party. Also Hilary Clinton got way too much baggage in her past as well the fact that I don't know if she can over-come the stigma of being an insincere *****, if Kerry couldn't, why do Democrats think she can?

That was great comedy...Hillary should have a sitcom on NBC.

[Kritish]

NEW YORK - New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Hillary+Rodham+Clinton) says on her Web site that she is entering the 2008 presidential race.

Clinton's announcement, coming days after Sen. Barack Obama (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/politics/news/ap/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008/21642765/*http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=news-storylinks&p=%22Barack%20Obama%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw), bio (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/bio/ap/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008/21642765/SIG=118ul297o/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/?id=3181), voting record (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/vote/ap/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008/21642765/SIG=11hbic58m/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/keyvotes/?id=3181)) shook up the 2008 race with his bid to become the first black to occupy the White House, establishes the most diverse political field. Clinton is considered the front-runner, with Obama and 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=John+Edwards) top contenders. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who would be the first Hispanic, intends to announce his plans on Sunday.

With millions in the bank, a vast network of supporters and top status in nearly every poll of Democratic contenders, Clinton has launched the most viable effort by a female candidate to capture the White House. She is the first presidential spouse to pursue the office; her husband, Bill, served two terms in the White House from 1993-2001.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070120/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/69/AVP_Xenomorph.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/Ellen_ripley.jpg

"Get away from her you *****!"

[Gonking]

I just love how you all act like George Bush is the reason why the rest of the world hates us. Newsflash, you people b***hed at the United States way before Bush took office. Bush just made it worse. Whether it's Hillary Clinton or George W. Bush or Rudy Gulliani or Al Sharpton, it doesn't matter, but as long as the United States is a superpower, you people will continue to b***h and moan and whine on how the United States is the cause of the worlds problems.

F**k you guys.

yes, I hate United States governments long before Bush, but I won't hate US as long as is a superpower, I will hate it as long as your country maintains it's interventionist foreign policy.

[hippie_hunter]

yes, I hate United States governments long before Bush, but I won't hate US as long as is a superpower, I will hate it as long as your country maintains it's interventionist foreign policy.

I'm not saying that our government has not acted like the biggest ********* in the world because it has. We often do stick our noses in places that are not our business. My point was that people go off saying that George Bush is the reason for this when in truth, he is not and it's happened before Bush even took office. Just like you have said.

The f**k you was not to you. It was to those who say that they say that all of the negative image the United States has, is because of Great Warlord Premeir George Walker Bush

[hippie_hunter]

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/default.aspx

This is the funniest thing I have ever seen in terms of political video. You'll notice half-way through, you'll get this wierd nostalgic feeling, you'll start wondering where have I seen this before. And then it'll hit you, it's a repackaged Liberty Mutal Life insurrance commericial. Everytime I watch it I keep waiting for Alex Trebeck to come out and say, "Liberty Mutual ensures you an insurance that won't raise it's premium!" It's complete with a story of life back in Kansas!

Seriously... The democrats are ****ed... Both of there lead players for the presidential bid is a black man and a woman, now I'm not a racist nor a msyoginist but saddly America is. The first of either will come out of the republican party. Also Hilary Clinton got way too much baggage in her past as well the fact that I don't know if she can over-come the stigma of being an insincere *****, if Kerry couldn't, why do Democrats think she can?

She seemed full of it in that video

[Erzengel]

Won't vote for a carpet bagger ass.

[Bat Attack]

I wonder if they'll return the furniture they took the last time.

[The Chairman]

My worst nightmare has become a reality. First Obama becomes exposed, now Hil officially announces her run.

[comicgirl]

My worst nightmare has become a reality. First Obama becomes exposed, now Hil officially announces her run.Obama isn't anything......exposed? Pleeeasse. Hillary? Every Rep in the country will come out against her if she carries the nomination

[Bat Attack]

Anthony, that stuff about Obama being exsposed wasn't true.

[Abaddon]

2008 will be a very interesting year.

[comicgirl]

2008 will be a very interesting year.yes, I see a rise in memberships with the NHRA. :csad:

[Darth Elektra]

Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Hillary+Rodham+Clinton) launched a trailblazing campaign for the White House on Saturday, a former first lady turned political powerhouse intent on becoming the first female president. "I'm in, and I'm in to win," she said. In a videotaped message posted on her Web site, Clinton said she was eager to start a dialogue with voters about challenges she hoped to tackle as president — affordable health care, deficit reduction and bringing the "right" end to the Iraq war.

"I'm not just starting a campaign, though, I'm beginning a conversation with you, with America," she said. "Let's talk. Let's chat. The conversation in Washington has been just a little one-sided lately, don't you think?"

Clinton's announcement, while widely anticipated, was nonetheless historic in a fast-developing campaign that has already seen the emergence of a formidable black contender, Democratic Sen. Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) of Illinois.

In an instant, Clinton became the most credible female candidate ever to seek the presidency and the first presidential spouse to attempt to return to the White House in her own right. Her husband, Bill, served two terms as president from 1993 to 2001.

"I am one of the millions of women who have waited all their lives to see the first woman sworn in as president of the United States — and now we have our best opportunity to see that dream fulfilled," said Ellen Malcolm, president of EMILY's list, which raises money for Democratic women who run for office.

With her immense star power, vast network of supporters and donors and seasoned team of political advisers, the 59-year-old Clinton long has topped every national poll of potential Democratic contenders.

But since joining the field, Obama has secured the backing of a number of prominent fundraisers, including billionaire philanthropist George Soros, stepping up the pressure on Clinton to disclose her plans.

Her controversial tenure as first lady left her a deeply polarizing figure among voters, leading many Democrats to doubt Clinton's viability in a general election.

In a detailed statement posted on her Web site, Clinton sought to acknowledge and bat away such doubts.

"I have never been afraid to stand up for what I believe in or to face down the Republican machine," she wrote. "After nearly $70 million spent against my campaigns in New York and two landslide wins, I can say I know how Washington Republicans think, how they operate and how to beat them."

Recently, Clinton has clashed with many in her own party over the Iraq war.

Clinton supported the 2002 resolution authorizing military intervention in Iraq. She has refused to recant her vote or call for a deadline for the removal of troops. She has announced her opposition to President Bush's troop increase in Iraq and has introduced legislation capping troop levels.

"A woman candidate could find it easier to run in peacetime, rather than wartime, but Senator Clinton's tried to position herself as a serious person on national security," said Andrew Polsky, a presidential historian at Hunter College. "But that means she's staked out difficult position on the war that won't make it easy for her to get the Democratic nomination."

With a $14 million campaign treasury, Clinton starts with an impressive fundraising advantage over the rest of the Democratic field. But Obama and others have started to secure fundraising commitments from New York, California and other deep-pocketed, Clinton-friendly areas.

Her creation of a presidential exploratory committee, announced Saturday, allows her to raise money for the campaign; she already has lined up campaign staff.

In tone and substance, Clinton's videotaped announcement recalled her first Senate race in New York in 2000, where she conducted a "listening tour" of the state's 62 counties before formally entering the contest.

She promised a three-day series of Web chats with voters beginning Monday and prepared a campaign swing late this coming week through the early voting state of Iowa, while a visit to New Hampshire was in the works.

On Sunday, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson was also set to enter the Democratic field; if elected, he would be the first Hispanic president.

For the short term at least, the outsized candidacies of Clinton and Obama were expected to soak up the lion's share of attention.

Obama, who launched his own presidential committee on Tuesday, praised Clinton as a friend and colleague.

"I welcome her and all the candidates, not as competitors, but as allies in the work of getting our country back on track," he said in a statement.

Campaigning in New Hampshire, Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd did not comment specifically on Clinton's announcement, but said: "I'm not one for exploratory committees. You're in or you're not."

Other Democratic contenders include former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack; Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, the party's 2004 vice-presidential nominee. Delaware Sen. Joe Biden has said he will run and planned to formalize his intentions soon. Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, the party's 2004 standard bearer, is also contemplating another run.

An influential player in her husband's political career in Arkansas, Hillary Clinton leapt to the national scene during the 1992 presidential campaign when husband and wife fought to survive the scandal over Gennifer Flowers' allegations of a lengthy affair with Bill Clinton when he was the state's governor.

The Clintons appeared together on CBS' "60 Minutes" to talk about their marriage — Hillary Clinton's first famous "Stand by Your Man" moment.

As first lady, Clinton headed up a disastrous first-term effort to overhaul the health care insurance system. There was more controversy as the couple battled allegations of impropriety over land deals and fundraising, missing records from her former Arkansas law firm and even her quick and hefty profits from an investment in cattle futures.

There was no letup in the second term. The president found himself denying — then admitting — having a sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky. As he battled impeachment and possible removal from office, his wife's poll numbers rose.

Her own political career began to take shape in late 1998 when New York Democrat Daniel Patrick Moynihan announced he would not seek re-election to the Senate seat he had held since 1976.

The campaign trail was not always friendly. For almost every cheer, there was a shouted "Go home, Hillary!" and the emerging Republican theme that carpetbagger Clinton simply wanted to use New York as a launching pad for a later presidential run.

___



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070120/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008

[Electrix]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263200

[fangrl06]

Heaven help us all...

[Speedball]

We all gonna die!

[fangrl06]

We all gonna die!
ROTFL!!!!!

[Darth Elektra]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263200

sorry, I'll get a mod.

[fangrl06]

Do you realize that is woman made members of the army stand up while she ate?

[jaguarr]

Hillary Clinton is the best possible person the Republicans could hope to elect as President. :dry:

jag

[gap5ewl]

Well it's about time I was wondering why it took her so long to announce it. I'm ok with Hilary plus she has Bill on her side and pretty much everyone is sick of the republicans now so I have a feeling she just might come on top. I like Barack but people just don't know that much about him plus I think he's a little inexperienced still. I'd say give him 10 more years and he'd make an incredible president.

[Eros]

who cares, nobody on these boards actaully goes out and votes anyway.

[jaguarr]

who cares, nobody on these boards actaully goes out and votes anyway.

:dry:

jag

[Speedball]

who cares, nobody on these boards actaully goes out and votes anyway.
I do:cmad:
And i refuse to vote for her.
I'm all for having a female president, just not her.

[comicgirl]

I do:cmad:
And i refuse to vote for her.
I'm all for having a female president, just not her.I do too...but, I'd like to vote for somone who might have a chance

[Darth Elektra]

I'll take Edwards or Obama over Clinton.

[Darth Elektra]

I do too...but, I'd like to vote for somone who might have a chance

Hillary has a great shot at it.

[Eros]

:dry:

jag


Are you a registered voter? also You are aware alot of young people do not vote.

[fangrl06]

I do:cmad:
And i refuse to vote for her.
I'm all for having a female president, just not her.
:up: Condoleezza Rice should run in the future.

[Speedball]

:up: Condoleezza Rice should run in the future.
:up::up:
I'd vote for her.

[fangrl06]

Are you a registered voter? also You are aware alot of young people do not vote.
Eros....the king of broad statements.

[Darth Elektra]

:up: Condoleezza Rice should run in the future.

No!

[Eros]

Eros....the king of broad statements.

well im just telling you the facts.

[jaguarr]

Are you a registered voter? also You are aware alot of young people do not vote.

Why, yes, sorE. I AM a registered voter. How about you? Remarkable that voter turnouts were at record highs in all age groups this last round of congressional and state elections, isn't it? :)

jag

[Eros]

Why, yes, sorE. I AM a registered voter. How about you? Remarkable that voter turnouts were at record highs in all age groups this last round of congressional and state elections, isn't it? :)

jag

You can thank Bush and his political party for that.:cwink:

[fangrl06]

well im just telling you the facts.
Well, it's not a fact that no one on SHH votes:huh: ...

[Darth Elektra]

Why, yes, sorE. I AM a registered voter. How about you? Remarkable that voter turnouts were at record highs in all age groups this last round of congressional and state elections, isn't it? :)

jag

Not really considering the party that HAD control was the republicans. :yay:

[Arkady Rossovich]

I think she`s a good choice,but its a bit early for this.I would say next year would be a good time to make that announcement,but i guess the political atmosphere is now.

[Eros]

Well, it's not a fact that no one on SHH votes:huh: ...


baby you have no idea.

[fangrl06]

You can thank Bush and his political party for that.:cwink:
Is that supposed to be Bush-bashing? I'm confused.:huh:

[Eros]

Is that supposed to be Bush-bashing? I'm confused.:huh:

yea.

[jaguarr]

Well, it's not a fact that no one on SHH votes:huh: ...

Nor is it a fact that "a lot of young people don't vote", going by the voting statistics from this fall's Congressional and state elections.

Oh, and Condaleeza Rice is the Devil's girlfriend, so to whoever suggested that she run for President some day: Put down the crack pipe.

jag

[fangrl06]

I think she`s a good choice,but its a bit early for this.I would say next year would be a good time to make that announcement,but i guess the political atmosphere is now.
I don't think she'd run this soon, but maybe sometime in the future.:cwink:

[Eros]

Nor is it a fact that "a lot of young people don't vote", going by the voting statistics from this fall's Congressional and state elections.

Oh, and Condaleeza Rice is the Devil's girlfriend, so to whoever suggested that she run for President some day: Put down the crack pipe.

jag

:woot: you fool.

[Darth Elektra]

Oh, and Condaleeza Rice is the Devil's girlfriend, so to whoever suggested that she run for President some day: Put down the crack pipe.

jag

:up: :up:

[fangrl06]

Nor is it a fact that "a lot of young people don't vote", going by the voting statistics from this fall's Congressional and state elections.

Oh, and Condaleeza Rice is the Devil's girlfriend, so to whoever suggested that she run for President some day: Put down the crack pipe.

jag
It was I who suggested that, and I'm proud to say it. She is a smart woman and would make a great president.

[Darth Elektra]

It was I who suggested that, and I'm proud to say it. She is a smart woman and would make a great president.

Well she's dooming her carreer every single day aslong as she continues to work for Bush.

About like Colin Powell did.

[comicgirl]

:up: Condoleezza Rice should run in the future.I'd vote for Satan before I'd vote for herhttp://ellensander.com/condibensoncartoon.jpg

[hippie_hunter]

I think she`s a good choice,but its a bit early for this.I would say next year would be a good time to make that announcement,but i guess the political atmosphere is now.

Hillary is a horrible choice. I hate the fact that she is my Senator.

[Eros]

^ How come you dun like Hiliary?

[hippie_hunter]

Well it's about time I was wondering why it took her so long to announce it. I'm ok with Hilary plus she has Bill on her side and pretty much everyone is sick of the republicans now so I have a feeling she just might come on top. I like Barack but people just don't know that much about him plus I think he's a little inexperienced still. I'd say give him 10 more years and he'd make an incredible president.

The Republicans will not lose if Rudy Gulliani or John McCain win the nomination. Or if Hillary Clinton receives the nomination for the Democratic Party. That is my prediction. The woman is a fake, a god damned carpetbagger, and uses the fact that she is a Clinton and used my state to launch a Presidential career.

[hippie_hunter]

^ How come you dun like Hiliary?

I hate the fact that she tries to come off as a moderate when she is not (just like George W. Bush did in 2004). I hate the fact that she will say ANYTHING, to garner votes for herself. I hate the fact that she became New York's Senator when she never even lived in New York and she shouldn't have even won in the first place (Rudy Gulliani was supposed to win, but he dropped out due to his prostate cancer). I hate the fact that she is using her husbands name (Clinton) to jumpstart a political career. I hate the fact that she used New York to generate her political career so that she can be President. And if you watch her video, she was so damn full of it.

[Honey Vibe]

I wonder if we'll see a repeat of the 1860 presidential election. The democratic party had too many candidates on the ballot, which divided up votes and gave Lincoln the presidency.

[Erzengel]

^ How come you dun like Hiliary?
As a person? She's just not likable. I bet she wishes she had an 1/8th of her husband's charisma.

Even George W. when he was running, came off like a almost weird endearing uncle who doesn't know better. Honestly, Hillary comes off like a frigid b'tch.

[Honey Vibe]

The problem with these all-star democrats is that many Americans would be marginalized by their election. "Marginalized people" is a threat to democracy everywhere. With every election, using our out-dated electory system, American people lose power of their government.

A dummy democracy is not the future -- it is now. We need to reform our democratic process. While preserving the ideals that framed our nation, we must empower people by giving their vote direct access to government. Do we need "representatives", to stand in lieu of us in decisions (1760-1980), or can we instantly put our voices in the decisions (1981-present, largely thanks to the internet and computers)? Why are we still living in the setbacks of democracy by representation, instead of continuing the great experiment: that people can not only rule themselves, but it is the best form of government?

No one need be lied to, marginalized, or overruled to the extent they have been in the past.

[Karea07]

I think she'd do a good job

[TEDDY]

NEW YORK - New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Hillary+Rodham+Clinton) says on her Web site that she is entering the 2008 presidential race.

Clinton's announcement, coming days after Sen. Barack Obama (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/politics/news/ap/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008/21642765/*http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=news-storylinks&p=%22Barack%20Obama%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw), bio (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/bio/ap/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008/21642765/SIG=118ul297o/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/?id=3181), voting record (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/vote/ap/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008/21642765/SIG=11hbic58m/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/keyvotes/?id=3181)) shook up the 2008 race with his bid to become the first black to occupy the White House, establishes the most diverse political field. Clinton is considered the front-runner, with Obama and 2004 vice presidential nominee John Edwards (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=John+Edwards) top contenders. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who would be the first Hispanic, intends to announce his plans on Sunday.

With millions in the bank, a vast network of supporters and top status in nearly every poll of Democratic contenders, Clinton has launched the most viable effort by a female candidate to capture the White House. She is the first presidential spouse to pursue the office; her husband, Bill, served two terms in the White House from 1993-2001.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070120/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008

This thread was so miss leading. As far as I'm concerned there is only one Clinton. And that's Bill.

Next time say Hillary.:mad:

[Honey Vibe]

This thread was so miss leading. As far as I'm concerned there is only one Clinton. And that's Bill.

Next time say Hillary.:mad:
Well Clinton couldn't get re-elected because he has already served two presidential terms. ... :D

[TEDDY]

Well Clinton couldn't get re-elected because he has already served two presidential terms. ... :D

Well Bush can't declare war without Congress's approval. Didn't seem to stop him.

[hippie_hunter]

Well Bush can't declare war without Congress's approval. Didn't seem to stop him.

Congress gave approval to Bush for use of military action in Iraq.

[jaguarr]

It was I who suggested that, and I'm proud to say it. She is a smart woman and would make a great president.

She's an ineffectual "Yes Person" who does whatever Uncle George and Grandpa Cheney want her to do. She's obstinate and combative with foreign leaders and the press, inflexible and narrow-minded in her will to stick to whatever agenda she's been prescribed by her owners. We need leaders, not more puppets that will hand over their strings to their neo-con masters. I also question her value set and have strong reservations about whether she really cares about the American people or just working towards whatever ends she and her pals decide is important to them.

jag

[jaguarr]

The problem with these all-star democrats is that many Americans would be marginalized by their election. "Marginalized people" is a threat to democracy everywhere. With every election, using our out-dated electory system, American people lose power of their government.

A dummy democracy is not the future -- it is now. We need to reform our democratic process. While preserving the ideals that framed our nation, we must empower people by giving their vote direct access to government. Do we need "representatives", to stand in lieu of us in decisions (1760-1980), or can we instantly put our voices in the decisions (1981-present, largely thanks to the internet and computers)? Why are we still living in the setbacks of democracy by representation, instead of continuing the great experiment: that people can not only rule themselves, but it is the best form of government?

No one need be lied to, marginalized, or overruled to the extent they have been in the past.

While I don't disagree that our system is horribly broken, as far as marginalizing the American people and lying to them goes, the current administration has done far more of that than we've seen in quite some time. Granted, all Presidents and their administrations have engaged in these things to one level or another; I just see it as epidemic with this administration.

jag

[Milkman95]

No way in HELL would I EVER vote for H.Clinton - I'd take Rice over her 8 days a week and twice on Sunday.

[jaguarr]

No way in HELL would I EVER vote for H.Clinton - I'd take Rice over her 8 days a week and twice on Sunday.

That's like saying you prefer to eat arsenic rather than strychnine. :huh:

jag

[Milkman95]

That's like saying you prefer to eat arsenic rather than strychnine. :huh:

jag

True, but if it is solely between those two, you know how I would vote.

[jaguarr]

True, but if it is solely between those two, you know how I would vote.

Let's put our energy into it not being between those two. In fact, let's put our energy into neither one of them getting close enough to even be on a ticket. :up:

jag

[Venom'sDad]

The B.I.T.C.H is going to lose.

[comicgirl]

As long as McCain or Brownback don't win..

[Eros]

I would vote for Hiliary, she seems very nice.

[sinewave]

As long as McCain or Brownback don't win..

sing it sista!!! are there any attractive, non-crazy republican candidates? rudi might be ok, seeing as he leans left on social issues, but i don't like his support of the iraq war or the fact that he's got very little political experience.

[Cinemaman]

The only thing, which was done right by Bush is acknowledgement of armenian genocide by 40 states of America out of 50.

[Darth Elektra]

I would vote for Hiliary, she seems very nice.

I would vote for her over every Republican.

[hippie_hunter]

I would vote for her over every Republican.
Not all Republicans are evil scumbags. People really need to get this partisan mentality out of their heads.

[L.A.]

Not all Republicans are evil scumbags. People really need to get this partisan mentality out of their heads.
Just the rich/christians one's!

[hippie_hunter]

Just the rich/christians one's!

I wouldn't even say that either.

Sure the Republican Party does have scumbags like George W. Bush, Tom DeLay, Rick Santorum, George Allen, Trent Lott, and others. But there are also good Republicans like Rudy Gulliani, Olympia Snowe, John McCain, Lincoln Chaffe, Colin Powell, Arnold Schwartzenegger, John Warner, Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney, and others.

[jaydawg]

I'm surprised McCain didnt get very far. He's become very popular lately. You think he might run again?

[hippie_hunter]

I'm surprised McCain didnt get very far. He's become very popular lately. You think he might run again?

He's definetely going to try and get the nomination again. But I think Rudy Gulliani will end up with the nomination. With John McCain as his running mate. I wouldn't be surprised if Mitt Romney ended up in his Cabinet (like Secretary of Health and Human Services) if he won the election. I also think that Colin Powell will serve in a moderate Republican/centrist government.

[SentinelMind]

He's definetely going to try and get the nomination again. But I think Rudy Gulliani will end up with the nomination. With John McCain as his running mate. I wouldn't be surprised if Mitt Romney ended up in his Cabinet (like Secretary of Health and Human Services) if he won the election. I also think that Colin Powell will serve in a moderate Republican/centrist government.

I doubt McCain is going to be anyone's runningmate if not on top of ticket. The establishment won't allow it, and McCain doesn't want to be anyone's second string. Furthermore, I think Guilliani has the worst chance out of all the candidates. Gay rights, pro-choice, divorce...not happening. The rightwing owns the Republican party.

[hippie_hunter]

I doubt McCain is going to be anyone's runningmate if not on top of ticket. The establishment won't allow it, and McCain doesn't want to be anyone's second string. Furthermore, I think Guilliani has the worst chance out of all the candidates. Gay rights, pro-choice, divorce...not happening. The rightwing owns the Republican party.
The neo-cons have to realise that their control of the Republican Party is soon to be over. George W. Bush ruined the Republican Party for the short term. Scandals and corruption have given them a bad image. The people are sick of the way they have been handling the GOP. They have to realise that the Reagan Era is over, just like the Clinton Era is for the Democrats.

Also Reagan had a divorce. Notice how the neo-con sect of the Republican Party has a hard on for the guy.

Notice how the top three candidates that actually do have a chance of getting the nomination are more moderate than the neo-con leadership.

Rudy Giuliani - Former mayor of New York who displayed great leadership during the September 11, 2001 attacks from his city. Honorary Knight of the British Empire. "America's Mayor." 2001 Time Magazine Person of the Year. Has a good chance of winning the State of New York which has 31 electoral votes. A moderate Republican that can appeal to Democrats. Major weakness: Candidacy could create a split in the Republican vote with an independent neo-con candidate.

Mitt Romney - Former governor of Massachusetts, another Democratic stronghold. Expanded health care to all residents of Massachusetts while still keeping it privatized and without raising taxes. Fiscally responsible. Ablility to keep in touch with the conservative base by his opposition to gay marriage and abortion. Supports a higher minimum wage. Pro-enviroment. Major weakness: Mormon religion might hold him back and he probally doesn't have the ability to reach to Democrats as well as Guiliani can.

John McCain - Senator from Arizona. Former Navy officer. Pro-enviroment. Pro-stem cell research. Ability to keep in touch with the conservative base by his opposition to gay marriage and abortion. Has a reputation as a conservative/moderate Republican capable of working with the Democrats and a member of the Gang of 14. Major weakness: His attempt to appeal to neo-con Republicans might not have worked and he's freaking old, possibly too old and he probally knows this.

[ScottyBBadd]

Not really. Bill is too damn polarizing. Democrats adore him, Republicans despise him. We need a moderate candidate who can reach out to the moderate Republicans who have felt betrayed by Bush's neo-con policies.

Why dose it surprise any one that she is running? Her better option is reaching out to the Independants who put G.W. Bush in office for 8 years There are more Independant voters that Democrats and Republicans combined.

[SoulManX]

Clinton confident in her 2008 prospects

NEW YORK - Starting her first full week as a presidential contender, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Hillary+Rodham+Clinton) expressed confidence she can win the 2008 Democratic nomination.

Clinton, speaking publicly for the first time since declaring her candidacy on her Web site, said Sunday she decided to run after doing a "thorough review" of the challenges facing the country. She said she is the best candidate for the job and is eager to begin campaigning.
"It'll be a great contest with a lot of talented people and I'm very confident. I'm in, I'm in it to win and that's what I intend to do," she said.



The former first lady was vying to be the first woman and first presidential spouse to win the White House. Polls show her leading a crowded field of Democratic candidates that includes Illinois Sen. Barack Obama (news (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/DailyNews/politics/news/ap/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008/21660945/*http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=news-storylinks&p=%22Barack%20Obama%22&c=&n=20&yn=c&c=news&cs=nw), bio (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/bio/ap/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008/21660945/SIG=118ul297o/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/?id=3181), voting record (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/capadv/vote/ap/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008/21660945/SIG=11hbic58m/*http://yahoo.capwiz.com/y/bio/keyvotes/?id=3181)), who hopes to become the first black president.
A Washington Post-ABC News poll released Sunday shows Clinton is the favorite of 41 percent of Democrats, more than double the support of any of her rivals.



A Washington Post-ABC News poll released Sunday shows Clinton is the favorite of 41 percent of Democrats, more than double the support of any of her rivals.
Despite abundant strengths, Clinton remains a polarizing figure to many voters and faces questions about her ability to win a general election. Her position on the Iraq (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Iraq) war — she voted to authorize the invasion in 2002 and has refused to call for a date-certain removal of troops — has alienated many Democratic activists, who vote heavily in primaries.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070122/ap_on_el_pr/clinton2008

[hippie_hunter]

Why dose it surprise any one that she is running? Her better option is reaching out to the Independants who put G.W. Bush in office for 8 years There are more Independant voters that Democrats and Republicans combined.
I'm willing to bet that independents don't want her either.

[Karea07]

I would vote for her over every Republican.

me too. definately.

[SuBe]

'Human Bomb' Barricades Himself Inside Clinton Campaign Office in New Hampshire

Friday, November 30, 2007
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ROCHESTER, N.H. — A man claiming to have an explosive device strapped to his body released the two hostages he was holding Friday afternoon at the Rochester, N.H., campaign headquarters of Sen. Hillary Clinton, law enforcement officials told FOX News.
The hostages — believed to be staffers — included a woman with a child.
ABC News reported that police believe the man is a local resident with a history of mental illness, and that he told his son to "watch the news today."
The drama began to unfold just after 1 p.m. Friday when local news reported that a man walked into the campaign office saying he wanted to speak with Clinton, a federal source told FOX News.
Clinton was not in New Hampshire (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314302,00.html#) at the time.

Police and SWAT teams were using loudspeakers to communicate with the man, and there are reports that police have tried to arrange for a cell phone to be given to him.
"There is an ongoing situation in our Rochester (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314302,00.html#), N.H., office. We are in close contact with state and local authorities and are acting at their direction. We will release additional details as appropriate," said a campaign release issued about 2:45 p.m. ET.
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Clinton canceled her speech that was scheduled for Friday afternoon at the Democratic National Committee (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314302,00.html#) fall meeting in Northern Virginia, party chair Howard Dean announced.
Clinton was said to be monitoring the situation from her Washington, D.C., home. Husband Bill Clinton (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314302,00.html#) has a scheduled event in Newton, Iowa, where he was campaigning for his wife.
Sharpshooters have been positioned near the building, and at least one bomb squad unit is also on the scene.
Other nearby presidential campaign offices have been evacuated, including those for Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and John Edwards, as well as several area businesses, according to news reports.
Witness Lettie Tzizik said she spoke to a woman shortly after she was released from the office by the suspect, according to WMUR. The woman was carrying an infant and crying.
"She said, 'You need to call 911. A man has just walked into the Clinton office, opened his coat and showed us a bomb strapped to his chest with duct tape,'" Tzizik said.
The assailant is described as in his 40s with salt-and-pepper hair.

[enterthemadness]

Wow, this isn't good.

[bell110]

Must really not like Clinton.

[William_C]

Thank goodness he released the hostages though. Hopefully they can get through to the guy before any harm is done.

[Docker2.0]

If Clinton survives this, it can only help her campaign. Look at what 911 did for Bush. Hopefully this idiot doesn't do anything to hurt anyone. Especially telling his freakin child to watch the news! What a moron!


I'm really surprised that noone has done this to Bush! :huh:

[lazur]

I was born in Dover, NH, and grew up in Rochester from third grade to high school graduation.

I'm glad I left.

[jaguarr]

A neo-con suicide bomber? :huh:

jag

[Spider-Bite]

I'm wondering if this will help or hurt Hillary. I think it will probably help her.

[Docker2.0]

I'm wondering if this will help or hurt Hillary. I think it will probably help her.

Read my post! :cmad:

[Abaddon]

damn, I know people don't like her, but now they're trying to blow the ***** up?:huh::o

[Spider-Bite]

Read my post! :cmad:


It might just remind people though of how much of a divider she is. some might look at is as her being such a strong divider that the division has crossed the line of using the diplomatic political process. people are resorting to violence now.

Personally I dont' really like Hillary. I want Obama to win, and I am now convinced that if anybody other than Obama wins the white house we ARE going to war with Iran.

Plus it's only a matter of time untill some reneck southern republican with AK47s does something at one of Obama's campaign offices or campaign stops, complaining about how the Blacks are trying to take over.

[Docker2.0]

I agree. I do want Obama to win. Dude has to be the most honest of all the candidates and it's really hurting him. But I doubt he wins though. I just dont' want Guiliani in it.

[SuBe]

A neo-con suicide bomber? :huh:

jag
I'm listening to the News, the just had a press Conference. Apparently they may be Road Flares taped to him.

[lazur]

So far, three of my relatives, including my mom, all of whom live in Rochester, NH, have called me to tell me about this.

I hope the guy either blows himself up (but doesn't hurt anyone else) or they nab him ... so my phone will stop ringing.

So much for taking a nap.

[jaguarr]

I'm listening to the News, the just had a press Conference. Apparently they may be Road Flares taped to him.

Geez, can't those neo-cons do ANYTHING right!? :p

jag

[SuBe]

Geez, can't those neo-cons do ANYTHING right!? :p

jag
You sir! You just strucked my funny bone! HOW DARE YOU!

[Spider-Bite]

I agree. I do want Obama to win. Dude has to be the most honest of all the candidates and it's really hurting him. But I doubt he wins though. I just dont' want Guiliani in it.


I think it was hurting him, but now it's helping him. People are taking that honesty and looking at his and hillary's past positions with Iraq. Obama was honest and opposed the war, while Hillary supported it dishonestly for political gain.

And with Hillary voting to label Iran a terrorist state, more and more people are seeing her as nothing more than a more intelligent version of Bush, and it's reflecting in the polls too.

As of the other day Obama is leading in Iowa, and in the national polls in one month Hillary's long stading 20 point lead dropped to 10 points, and this is coming after Obama gave his speech about drug use.

I think the democrats are saying hey "we need something different." All this talk about foreign policy experience Hillary has been throwing at Barack? Her foreign policy experience includes voting to invade Iraq, and taking steps leading towards war with Iran. Hillary's record of foreign policy experience isn't very good if you ask me.

[amazingfantasy15]

If Clinton survives this, it can only help her campaign. Look at what 911 did for Bush. Hopefully this idiot doesn't do anything to hurt anyone. Especially telling his freakin child to watch the news! What a moron!


I'm really surprised that noone has done this to Bush! :huh:

Clinton isn't even there. It's just a campaign office, I doubt she's ever been there, it's beneath her.

[Spider-Bite]

Clinton isn't even there. It's just a campaign office, I doubt she's ever been there, it's beneath her.

He meant survive it politically I think.

[sinewave]

what a maroon! what does he hope to accomplish other than garnering sympathy for her campaign???

[Abaddon]

he's a plant.:ninja:

[Docker2.0]

Clinton isn't even there. It's just a campaign office, I doubt she's ever been there, it's beneath her.

I.................read the article. I knew she wasn't there. :huh:

[Kritish]

A neo-con suicide bomber? :huh:

jag

I didn't know Celldog lived near Rochester. :o

[bell110]

If people are trying to kill her while she's just campaigning, imagine if she actually won the presidency.

[Kritish]

If people are trying to kill her while she's just campaigning, imagine if she actually won the presidency.

http://themoviereport.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/shooter.jpg

[psychocheeseman]

Snuke!!!!!

[Kritish]

Snuke!!!!!

:woot:

[jaguarr]

Mark Wahlberg will be duped into trying to assassinate Hillary Clinton if she becomes President? :huh:

jag

[Denny67]

It is...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e1/Bomb_Voyage.png

Bomb Voyage!

[AhabTheArab]

I'm listening to the News, the just had a press Conference. Apparently they may be Road Flares taped to him.


alright, its been a page, and i can't be the only one who is thinking of Chris Farley in Tommy Boy.

this did not alarm me, it simply made me laugh. people these days....

[DV8]

This guy watched Taxi Driver one too many times :o

[Warhammer]

This is so going to help Clinton get more support.

[Backdrifter]

Does anyone else think this is a publicity stunt? What a great way to get her name and face all over the news and then turn it around like she is some kind of hero.

[enterthemadness]

It might just remind people though of how much of a divider she is. some might look at is as her being such a strong divider that the division has crossed the line of using the diplomatic political process. people are resorting to violence now.

Personally I dont' really like Hillary. I want Obama to win, and I am now convinced that if anybody other than Obama wins the white house we ARE going to war with Iran.

Plus it's only a matter of time untill some reneck southern republican with AK47s does something at one of Obama's campaign offices or campaign stops, complaining about how the Blacks are trying to take over.

We don't need to go to war with anyone!