Re-Writing the Star Wars Prequels....

[Pythagoras]

george lucas's prequels were a waste of time.
nothing interesting in them, and they were just a showcase for his ILM teams.

He should have done a sequel to ROTJ instead, come up with a new villian after Darth Vader.

But instead, we keep getting prequels! clone wars!
what next!
how darth vader got his first girlfriend?

Yeah I would of loved to see 3 movies of after the events of RTOTJ instead of 3 orgin movies. Cause they were waste of movies.

[8wid]

The fragmentation of the Empire is something that was missed. Plus, the main goal of a sequel series of films could have been motivated by Luke and Leia's pursuit for the identity of their mother. Someone searching for Darth Vader's secrets could have really manipulated this information.

[kang604]

just throwing ideas around.

EP1: Anakin is around 16-17 years old. Qui-Gonn & Obi-Wan discover him and free him within the first 45 minutes of the movie. Pod race sequence could still be in the movie but make it less childish. Anakin is shown as an extremely gifted but volatile young man, passionate but wreckless. They take him back to Coruscant where by some design he meets Padme who is serving as Senator for Naboo. He instantly falls in love with her, but their romance does not develop quite yet. Qui-Gonn is denied permission to train Anakin by the council based on his age, but proceeds to train Anakin regardless. What follows for the next 30 minutes or so of the movie is a series of scenes of Anakin training as a Padawan, focusing on his development as a jedi and as a man. Potential for great action sequences and good character development. Initially Obi-Wan is hostile towards Anakin, which would set up a nice scene with young Anakin and Obi-Wan in a fist fight or something. Throughout this part of the movie, Qui-Gonn would be training Anakin, giving him Jedi wisdom ala Yoda in ESB. Good opportunity for some great quotes. While the main focus would be on Anakin's training, the backstory would be the impending threat of the Clone Wars and the return of the Sith. The third act of the movie would culminate in the start of the Clone Wars, and have Anakin put in a situation where he is required to use the training he has learned to either save someone or do something heroic, i would say for the sake of the romance side of the story, have it be him having to save padme while darth maul attacks qui-gonn and obi-wan, but have him have to kill someone along the way to do it, tempting the dark side.
the movie would end with the Clone Wars in full gear, kinda like the way AOTC ended. Darth Maul lives, killing Qui-Gonn then getting defeated by Obi-Wan but surviving. The council, seeing that Anakin is fit to be a Jedi, allow Obi-Wan to take him as his Padawan learner.

EP2: The Clone Wars. Anakin is 20-22 years old. Focus is still on Anakin, and this movie will have crazy action sequences. Show Anakin doing amazing Jedi **** with Obi-Wan, establish why they are legendary Jedi. Some awesome pilot sequences, lightsaber battles, etc. On the romance side of things, have Anakin and Padme get together in the first 30 minutes of the film and then show all the troubles and obstacles they must face to keep their love secret and alive for the rest of the movie. Develop the relationship btwn Palpatine and Anakin as well. The final battle of the movie would have Obi-Wan in a rematch with Darth Maul and Anakin killing Count Dooku.

EP3: The third movie would be similar to ROTS, with the focus being on Anakin's fall to the dark side. Palpatine manipulates Anakin into becoming Darth Vader, but it would not be as sudden as in ROTS. Rather the progression would take time, over the course of the first 1 1/2 of the movie. The tipping point would be when Mace Windu realizes Anakin is falling to the dark side he tries to arrest him. They fight and Anakin kills him, cementing his descent. Yoda vs Palpatine, Anakin vs ObiWan. Donedees.

[Cuyan]

I always thought that Padme should have been betrothed and have Anakin be the affair.

[Jordacar]

If you gotta have the podrace, it would be possible to make that Anakin's introduction. Like ObiWan is on the planet watching the podrace (for plot reasons or whatever) and this teenage kid wins, and Obi Wan gets to know the kid afterward.

I bet there would even be a way to start with the podrace. Just open the movie right in the middle of the race, flesh out a more interesting story from there.

[Octoberist]

The way they did the podrace felt sloppy. Instead of having an exciting scene that also advances the story, it felt like the entire just completely stops for this one scene. It wasn't that exciting then and it's not that exciting now.

I'm sure they could have done a better job leading up to it, for sure.

[8wid]

just throwing ideas around.

EP1: Anakin is around 16-17 years old. Qui-Gonn & Obi-Wan discover him and free him within the first 45 minutes of the movie. Pod race sequence could still be in the movie but make it less childish. Anakin is shown as an extremely gifted but volatile young man, passionate but wreckless. They take him back to Coruscant where by some design he meets Padme who is serving as Senator for Naboo. He instantly falls in love with her, but their romance does not develop quite yet. Qui-Gonn is denied permission to train Anakin by the council based on his age, but proceeds to train Anakin regardless. What follows for the next 30 minutes or so of the movie is a series of scenes of Anakin training as a Padawan, focusing on his development as a jedi and as a man. Potential for great action sequences and good character development. Initially Obi-Wan is hostile towards Anakin, which would set up a nice scene with young Anakin and Obi-Wan in a fist fight or something. Throughout this part of the movie, Qui-Gonn would be training Anakin, giving him Jedi wisdom ala Yoda in ESB. Good opportunity for some great quotes. While the main focus would be on Anakin's training, the backstory would be the impending threat of the Clone Wars and the return of the Sith. The third act of the movie would culminate in the start of the Clone Wars, and have Anakin put in a situation where he is required to use the training he has learned to either save someone or do something heroic, i would say for the sake of the romance side of the story, have it be him having to save padme while darth maul attacks qui-gonn and obi-wan, but have him have to kill someone along the way to do it, tempting the dark side.
the movie would end with the Clone Wars in full gear, kinda like the way AOTC ended. Darth Maul lives, killing Qui-Gonn then getting defeated by Obi-Wan but surviving. The council, seeing that Anakin is fit to be a Jedi, allow Obi-Wan to take him as his Padawan learner.

EP2: The Clone Wars. Anakin is 20-22 years old. Focus is still on Anakin, and this movie will have crazy action sequences. Show Anakin doing amazing Jedi **** with Obi-Wan, establish why they are legendary Jedi. Some awesome pilot sequences, lightsaber battles, etc. On the romance side of things, have Anakin and Padme get together in the first 30 minutes of the film and then show all the troubles and obstacles they must face to keep their love secret and alive for the rest of the movie. Develop the relationship btwn Palpatine and Anakin as well. The final battle of the movie would have Obi-Wan in a rematch with Darth Maul and Anakin killing Count Dooku.

EP3: The third movie would be similar to ROTS, with the focus being on Anakin's fall to the dark side. Palpatine manipulates Anakin into becoming Darth Vader, but it would not be as sudden as in ROTS. Rather the progression would take time, over the course of the first 1 1/2 of the movie. The tipping point would be when Mace Windu realizes Anakin is falling to the dark side he tries to arrest him. They fight and Anakin kills him, cementing his descent. Yoda vs Palpatine, Anakin vs ObiWan. Donedees.

There is some strength in this if you wanted to use some of the existing element. Although Yoda was supposed to have instructed Obi-Wan, and Qui-Gon is also an unneeded character. Anakin becomes Vader in order to obtain power as well. Though that's just my vision.

[Kurosawa]

There is some strength in this if you wanted to use some of the existing element. Although Yoda was supposed to have instructed Obi-Wan, and Qui-Gon is also an unneeded character. Anakin becomes Vader in order to obtain power as well. Though that's just my vision.

Although I do understand how some people found the idea of Qui-Gon being Obi-Wan's master with Yoda being the Jedi who all Jedi begin their training under confusing, he is still a vital character. It was Qui-Gon who had the more correct philosophies of training Jedi and of the force that the other Jedi missed. Obviously if Yoda and Obi-Wan had the same philosophies in the PT that they had in the OT then Anakin's turn may have been prevented. But they didn't, and it was Qui-Gon's beliefs about focusing on the present and not the future that they clearly adopted in the wake of their failures with Anakin. His death was vital for Anakin's turn and it may well be that Palpatine gladly sacrificed Maul in order to get Qui-Gon out of the picture. It was also Qui-Gon who discovered the secret of becoming a Force Ghost.

[I'm Old Greg]

just throwing ideas around.

EP1: Anakin is around 16-17 years old. Qui-Gonn & Obi-Wan discover him and free him within the first 45 minutes of the movie. Pod race sequence could still be in the movie but make it less childish. Anakin is shown as an extremely gifted but volatile young man, passionate but wreckless. They take him back to Coruscant where by some design he meets Padme who is serving as Senator for Naboo. He instantly falls in love with her, but their romance does not develop quite yet. Qui-Gonn is denied permission to train Anakin by the council based on his age, but proceeds to train Anakin regardless. What follows for the next 30 minutes or so of the movie is a series of scenes of Anakin training as a Padawan, focusing on his development as a jedi and as a man. Potential for great action sequences and good character development. Initially Obi-Wan is hostile towards Anakin, which would set up a nice scene with young Anakin and Obi-Wan in a fist fight or something. Throughout this part of the movie, Qui-Gonn would be training Anakin, giving him Jedi wisdom ala Yoda in ESB. Good opportunity for some great quotes. While the main focus would be on Anakin's training, the backstory would be the impending threat of the Clone Wars and the return of the Sith. The third act of the movie would culminate in the start of the Clone Wars, and have Anakin put in a situation where he is required to use the training he has learned to either save someone or do something heroic, i would say for the sake of the romance side of the story, have it be him having to save padme while darth maul attacks qui-gonn and obi-wan, but have him have to kill someone along the way to do it, tempting the dark side.
the movie would end with the Clone Wars in full gear, kinda like the way AOTC ended. Darth Maul lives, killing Qui-Gonn then getting defeated by Obi-Wan but surviving. The council, seeing that Anakin is fit to be a Jedi, allow Obi-Wan to take him as his Padawan learner.

EP2: The Clone Wars. Anakin is 20-22 years old. Focus is still on Anakin, and this movie will have crazy action sequences. Show Anakin doing amazing Jedi **** with Obi-Wan, establish why they are legendary Jedi. Some awesome pilot sequences, lightsaber battles, etc. On the romance side of things, have Anakin and Padme get together in the first 30 minutes of the film and then show all the troubles and obstacles they must face to keep their love secret and alive for the rest of the movie. Develop the relationship btwn Palpatine and Anakin as well. The final battle of the movie would have Obi-Wan in a rematch with Darth Maul and Anakin killing Count Dooku.

EP3: The third movie would be similar to ROTS, with the focus being on Anakin's fall to the dark side. Palpatine manipulates Anakin into becoming Darth Vader, but it would not be as sudden as in ROTS. Rather the progression would take time, over the course of the first 1 1/2 of the movie. The tipping point would be when Mace Windu realizes Anakin is falling to the dark side he tries to arrest him. They fight and Anakin kills him, cementing his descent. Yoda vs Palpatine, Anakin vs ObiWan. Donedees.

i would have been happy with this

[ross2287]

If you gotta have the podrace, it would be possible to make that Anakin's introduction. Like ObiWan is on the planet watching the podrace (for plot reasons or whatever) and this teenage kid wins, and Obi Wan gets to know the kid afterward.

I bet there would even be a way to start with the podrace. Just open the movie right in the middle of the race, flesh out a more interesting story from there.

You just blew my mind right there. I'm picturing it. The opening crawl fading into the stars. Pan down to the planet. Zoom in with the sounds of the engine getting louder as we get closer to the planet.

It could have been cool.

[DawnWarrior]

Although I do understand how some people found the idea of Qui-Gon being Obi-Wan's master with Yoda being the Jedi who all Jedi begin their training under confusing, he is still a vital character. It was Qui-Gon who had the more correct philosophies of training Jedi and of the force that the other Jedi missed. Obviously if Yoda and Obi-Wan had the same philosophies in the PT that they had in the OT then Anakin's turn may have been prevented. But they didn't, and it was Qui-Gon's beliefs about focusing on the present and not the future that they clearly adopted in the wake of their failures with Anakin. His death was vital for Anakin's turn and it may well be that Palpatine gladly sacrificed Maul in order to get Qui-Gon out of the picture. It was also Qui-Gon who discovered the secret of becoming a Force Ghost.
I'm not following you on that. As far as I could tell, if Obi-Wan and Yoda had followed their initial instincts about Anakin and refused to train him, then he never would have become Darth Vader. And this business of Qui-Gon discovering the Force Ghost thing wasn't in the movies, so I take it your drawing on the expanded media. Within the confines of the movies, Qui-Gon's character has problems.

[Jordacar]

I'm not following you on that. As far as I could tell, if Obi-Wan and Yoda had followed their initial instincts about Anakin and refused to train him, then he never would have become Darth Vader. And this business of Qui-Gon discovering the Force Ghost thing wasn't in the movies, so I take it your drawing on the expanded media. Within the confines of the movies, Qui-Gon's character has problems.Yeah it was, at the end of EpIII when it was too late to matter.

[Cuyan]

It is in the Revenge of the Sith Novel, Yoda talks to Obi-Wan about "additional training" for him on Tatooine. He goes on to reveal that this "training" was given to him by Obi-Wan's former master, Qui-Gon.

[AlexRoss]

Basically, Qui Gon should not have existed, and Obi Wan should have been a mixture of the two characters. A wise yet unconventional Jedi, old enough to be a mentor to Anakin but young enough to be a friend.

Anakin should have started out older, maybe late teens, and he should have been a Han Solo character. And for those who say Han wouldnt be serious enough to become a Jedi, you can be dedicated to a proposition and still make quips (Spider-man).

Padme should have been something, anything, which would have been more than what she was in the films.

[Bim]

Basically, Qui Gon should not have existed, and Obi Wan should have been a mixture of the two characters. A wise yet unconventional Jedi, old enough to be a mentor to Anakin but young enough to be a friend.

Anakin should have started out older, maybe late teens, and he should have been a Han Solo character. And for those who say Han wouldnt be serious enough to become a Jedi, you can be dedicated to a proposition and still make quips (Spider-man).

Padme should have been something, anything, which would have been more than what she was in the films.
Have to agree. About Padme, i wish they wouldnt have taken out the Rebellion scenes from ROTS, cause at least we see her doing something else. She was vital in the creation of it, and i think that resonates rather well with Leia's involvement when we catch up with her in ANH. She was following in her mother's footsteps :yay:

[Kurosawa]

I'm not following you on that. As far as I could tell, if Obi-Wan and Yoda had followed their initial instincts about Anakin and refused to train him, then he never would have become Darth Vader. And this business of Qui-Gon discovering the Force Ghost thing wasn't in the movies, so I take it your drawing on the expanded media. Within the confines of the movies, Qui-Gon's character has problems.

Yoda revealed in ROTS that Qui-Gon had discovered the secret of the Force Ghost. And if you actually pay close attention to his comments and philosophy in TPM, then you see how it is the same beliefs that Obi-Wan and especially Yoda believe in in the OT. It's especially important to note the opening conversation between Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in TPM and balance that with Yoda's comments about how he had watched Luke in ESB. It all ties together. Of course not training Anakin would have avoided the issue, but that's a moot point. The main thing is that Yoda and most of the Jedi had flaws in their philosophy in the time of the PT and Qui-Gon's beliefs were closer to what Yoda and Obi-Wan adopted in light of Anakin's fall. So yes, he was a vital character although I do understand how him being Obi-Wan's master might be confusing to some people.

Maul doesn't kill Qui-Gon=better chance Anakin doesn't turn. Sidious could not accept that, and that's why he needed him dead asap and was willing to sacrifice Maul to get it done. Sidious spends the entire saga trying to kill or killing the people Anakin cared the most about: Qui-Gon, Padme, Obi-Wan, Luke and I'd bet he had a hand in Shmi's death. I bet whatever ends up happening to Ahsoka will be his doing as well.

[The Homer]

George's problem was writing and directing them. He should have pulled an Indiana Jones and been a creative producer. He's a man of vision, but he isn't good writing or directing compelling human behavior. It's done now, but he should have let go. Series like the clone wars animated series (by gendy dexters lab) show that even the stodgy universe he created can be exciting if handled by someone who can make drama. He can create worlds, but he cant create drama.

[SchumacherFan]

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She would make a good Padme Amidala if you're going with a wholesome innocent Queen.

[Jordacar]

Portman was fine, she just got nothing to work with as an actor.

[Cuyan]

You can actually see the pain in McGregor and Portman's face when they deliver their lines in Attack of the Clones.

[kang604]

james franco as anakin skywalker?

maybe hes a bit short physically but i think he would handle the characterization real well.

[marvelman2006]

james franco as anakin skywalker?

maybe hes a bit short physically but i think he would handle the characterization real well.


I thought of franco too, I would like to know who lucas and co pursued around this time for the part. I picture alot of actors handling anakin better then hayden did. Hayden just didnt have the ability to portray what anakin was going through.

[DawnWarrior]

^I still feel like the casting wasn't the issue with Hayden any more than it was with Natalie, but rather Lucas's writing and directing was the problem.

[marvelman2006]

^I still feel like the casting wasn't the issue with Hayden any more than it was with Natalie, but rather Lucas's writing and directing was the problem.


yeah we can blame george for natalies bad acting but hayden is hayden.

[Kurosawa]

james franco as anakin skywalker?

maybe hes a bit short physically but i think he would handle the characterization real well.

I like Franco but he doesn't really feel right for Anakin to me...he doesn't remind me of Mark Hamill. Neither does Hayden.

yeah we can blame george for natalies bad acting but hayden is hayden.

Harrison Ford on the ANH set: "You can type this stuff, George, but you can't say it."

Actors have disliked Lucas' dialogue since the beginning. The difference is some actors like Ewan just make the best of it, others like Natalie can't handle it. Hayden is just too limited to do much with it, although a lot of his physical acting was good and he did well in the fight scenes. I don't think Natalie really had any interest in her part...she had never even seen the OT. Ewan cared about what he was doing and has the talent to deal with Lucas' dialogue woes and it showed.

[SchumacherFan]

James Franco or Robert Pattinson would have been the best choices.

Paul Walker, Colin Hanks, Hayden Christensen and Ryan Phillipee were the ones considered for Anakin before Ep.2.

I think Lucas wanted Leonardo DiCaprio for the part, but Leo did NOT want anything to do with the part. His publicist told everyone that he was not available for the part, he probably knew whatever high offer he made would be met with Lucas piggy bank.

Leonardo also was considered for Spider-Man which he turned down as well. In a recent interview he said he would never take a role lie SW or Spider-Man no matter how bad the film makers wanted him. Ironically , his best friend in hollywood is tobey maguire !

[8wid]

Although I do understand how some people found the idea of Qui-Gon being Obi-Wan's master with Yoda being the Jedi who all Jedi begin their training under confusing, he is still a vital character. It was Qui-Gon who had the more correct philosophies of training Jedi and of the force that the other Jedi missed. Obviously if Yoda and Obi-Wan had the same philosophies in the PT that they had in the OT then Anakin's turn may have been prevented. But they didn't, and it was Qui-Gon's beliefs about focusing on the present and not the future that they clearly adopted in the wake of their failures with Anakin. His death was vital for Anakin's turn and it may well be that Palpatine gladly sacrificed Maul in order to get Qui-Gon out of the picture. It was also Qui-Gon who discovered the secret of becoming a Force Ghost.

The problem with the continuity is that Obi-Wan was supposed to be the one who discovered and trained Anakin all his own. Yoda was the only skeptic. I have no idea how Lucas forgot to include something so huge to the character.

The Journal of the Whills bit where Qui-Gonn was supposed to discover how to become a Force ghost never happened at all. There was only the mention of his return from the Netherworld, and you would need to be a fanboy to understand the implied meaning.

Palpatine sacrificing his apprentice's was pointless, if he wanted the kid all he had to do was kidnap him and train him. I personally think that story would have been much more interesting.

[Parker Wayne]

James Franco or Robert Pattinson would have been the best choices.

Paul Walker, Colin Hanks, Hayden Christensen and Ryan Phillipee were the ones considered for Anakin before Ep.2.

I think Lucas wanted Leonardo DiCaprio for the part, but Leo did NOT want anything to do with the part. His publicist told everyone that he was not available for the part, he probably knew whatever high offer he made would be met with Lucas piggy bank.

Leonardo also was considered for Spider-Man which he turned down as well. In a recent interview he said he would never take a role lie SW or Spider-Man no matter how bad the film makers wanted him. Ironically , his best friend in hollywood is tobey maguire !

It's completely understandable. He doesn't want to be a franchise actor. He didn't want to be known as "that spiderman guy" or "that SW guy". Ultimately it would be a great decision for him :yay:

[DarKJediKnight]

James Franco or Robert Pattinson would have been the best choices.

Paul Walker, Colin Hanks, Hayden Christensen and Ryan Phillipee were the ones considered for Anakin before Ep.2.

I think Lucas wanted Leonardo DiCaprio for the part, but Leo did NOT want anything to do with the part. His publicist told everyone that he was not available for the part, he probably knew whatever high offer he made would be met with Lucas piggy bank.

Leonardo also was considered for Spider-Man which he turned down as well. In a recent interview he said he would never take a role lie SW or Spider-Man no matter how bad the film makers wanted him. Ironically , his best friend in hollywood is tobey maguire !

:doh:

Why do you keep insisting for Robert Pattinson to play Anakin?

[Hannibal Smith]

Yeah Hayden seems at least better the Pattinson but not as good as Franco. James Franco would have been perfect as Anakin and may come off less winy

[8wid]

Yeah Hayden seems at least better the Pattinson but not as good as Franco. James Franco would have been perfect as Anakin and may come off less winy

Then he would have two famous roles turning to evil: one as the New Goblin and as Darth Vader, that would seem a bit too similar meza thinks.

[ross2287]

The kid who played Pyro in X2 and X-Men: The Last Stand should have been Anakin.

Hands down.

[The Caped Knight]

No Jar-Jar 'Nuff said!

[kang604]

It's completely understandable. He doesn't want to be a franchise actor. He didn't want to be known as "that spiderman guy" or "that SW guy". Ultimately it would be a great decision for him :yay:

Leo has the best career going for him in hollywood.

he only does legit movies with legit directors. every movie that comes out with Leo in it now im almost guaranteed to see, he is the #1 leading man in hollywood imo.

[DarknessOfDeath]

Or the guy who voices Anakin on the clone wars series... but thats just a random thought.

[Jordacar]

No Jar-Jar 'Nuff said!
Wow! You just blew my mind! Of course, removing Jar Jar Binks solves every single problem in all the prequels! Now every detail of the plot makes perfect sense, all the performances are Oscar-worthy for sure, and each character has a depth and richness thus far never seen in science fiction! Brilliant my friend! Brilliant! :hehe:

[bullets]

Yeah Hayden seems at least better the Pattinson but not as good as Franco. James Franco would have been perfect as Anakin and may come off less winy



We almost got Johnathan Brandis , he would of been great and he did audition. Instead he went on to commit suicide :csad: I thought he would of had a good career in adulthood but it neve rpanned out and to me he could have pulled off this role.

Also instead of Anakin being han solo he should of been an arrogant jerk obsessed with powe rbut not whiny . Too cocky for his own good , which he was but not as childish.

[FaT_tONle]

What's going on with Colin Hanks these days? Can this guy just not act with all do respect? I can't even remember the last thing I have seen him in, nor do I remember seeing him in anything for that matter.

PS: I think they should remake the franchise from episode one... fifty years from now or so. Eventually it's going to happen, probably sooner than that. The only question is whether we get more Star Wars movies as a prelude or sequels in the meantime.

[Kurosawa]

The problem with the continuity is that Obi-Wan was supposed to be the one who discovered and trained Anakin all his own. Yoda was the only skeptic. I have no idea how Lucas forgot to include something so huge to the character.

The Journal of the Whills bit where Qui-Gonn was supposed to discover how to become a Force ghost never happened at all. There was only the mention of his return from the Netherworld, and you would need to be a fanboy to understand the implied meaning.

Palpatine sacrificing his apprentice's was pointless, if he wanted the kid all he had to do was kidnap him and train him. I personally think that story would have been much more interesting.

Maul died mostly to demonstrate why Obi-Wan was such a great Jedi right out of the gate. I think it was also pretty clear that all Jedi are initially trained by Yoda and that is what Obi-Wan meant even though it was a soft retcon. I don't see how understanding that Qui-Gon had discovered the secret of Force Ghosts was that difficult either, although I wish the scene was in there. But if it had been people would have complained it took away from seeing Force Ghosts in the OT or some similar drivel.

The kid who played Pyro in X2 and X-Men: The Last Stand should have been Anakin.

Hands down.

I didn't think so from X2, but I did once I saw him in the Hills Have Eyes remake.

Or the guy who voices Anakin on the clone wars series... but thats just a random thought.

He's really good too and has a good look.

Robert Pattinson would be a massive, massive downgrade even from Hayden.

What's going on with Colin Hanks these days? Can this guy just not act with all do respect? I can't even remember the last thing I have seen him in, nor do I remember seeing him in anything for that matter.

PS: I think they should remake the franchise from episode one... fifty years from now or so. Eventually it's going to happen, probably sooner than that. The only question is whether we get more Star Wars movies as a prelude or sequels in the meantime.

Although I'm one of the few Prequel defenders around, I could see remaking those three because having your main character fail to be an effective character is just a damning flaw, although I'd hate to see Ewan's performance gone. The originals cannot be remade. No other actor can be Luke, imo.

[Sloth7d]

We almost got Johnathan Brandis , he would of been great and he did audition. Instead he went on to commit suicide :csad: I thought he would of had a good career in adulthood but it neve rpanned out and to me he could have pulled off this role.

Also instead of Anakin being han solo he should of been an arrogant jerk obsessed with powe rbut not whiny . Too cocky for his own good , which he was but not as childish.

Not based off the way Obiwan described him in the OT. "A good man who gradually becomes tempted by power." Personally, I would have liked to have seen a TDK set up where Anakin is faced with an uncontrollable foe in the Sith whom he gradually needs to break the rules and take his resources to crazier levels to defeat; only instead of realizing the dangers that breaking his code and tapping into too much power can cause as Bruce did, he takes a different perspective. He percieves that by holding onto this power and keeping a firm control over the public he can better prevent such evil from ever sprouting about again; though of course not acknowledging that act as a possible evil in itself.

Yeah, I would've prefered that to ,"Zomg Padme's gonna die! Waah! So I'm gonna kill you guys so this obviously evil guy can keep his pinky swear promise in showing me how to revive the dead! Which I will continue to believe he can teach me even after he demonstrates himself a back stabber to even his own allies! Waah! I hate you! Now I'm wanna take over the galaxy and rule with Padme! From my point of view the Jedis are teh evil!" Yeah, screw that crap.

[FaT_tONle]

Although I'm one of the few Prequel defenders around, I could see remaking those three because having your main character fail to be an effective character is just a damning flaw, although I'd hate to see Ewan's performance gone. The originals cannot be remade. No other actor can be Luke, imo.

If they remake the first three... they are remaking the originals. Sorry to break it to ya. Good news is you and I will be dead by then. Well you definitely since I am assuming you are of the older bunch.

[Kurosawa]

If they remake the first three... they are remaking the originals. Sorry to break it to ya. Good news is you and I will be dead by then. Well you definitely since I am assuming you are of the older bunch.

Yeah, I'm 41.

[SchumacherFan]

What's going on with Colin Hanks these days? Can this guy just not act with all do respect? I can't even remember the last thing I have seen him in, nor do I remember seeing him in anything for that matter.

PS: I think they should remake the franchise from episode one... fifty years from now or so. Eventually it's going to happen, probably sooner than that. The only question is whether we get more Star Wars movies as a prelude or sequels in the meantime.

Colin Hanks was in King Kong in 2006 as Jack Black's trusted side kick assistant!

He would have sucked as Anakin.

I think the majority would want James Franco as Anakin.

[DarKJediKnight]

Not based off the way Obiwan described him in the OT. "A good man who gradually becomes tempted by power." Personally, I would have liked to have seen a TDK set up where Anakin is faced with an uncontrollable foe in the Sith whom he gradually needs to break the rules and take his resources to crazier levels to defeat; only instead of realizing the dangers that breaking his code and tapping into too much power can cause as Bruce did, he takes a different perspective. He percieves that by holding onto this power and keeping a firm control over the public he can better prevent such evil from ever sprouting about again; though of course not acknowledging that act as a possible evil in itself.

Yeah, I would've prefered that to ,"Zomg Padme's gonna die! Waah! So I'm gonna kill you guys so this obviously evil guy can keep his pinky swear promise in showing me how to revive the dead! Which I will continue to believe he can teach me even after he demonstrates himself a back stabber to even his own allies! Waah! I hate you! Now I'm wanna take over the galaxy and rule with Padme! From my point of view the Jedis are teh evil!" Yeah, screw that crap.

No.

A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi knights. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the Jedi are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force.

[The Navigator]

No.

A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi knights. He betrayed and murdered your father. Now the Jedi are all but extinct. Vader was seduced by the dark side of the Force.

Uh, yes:

Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and *became* Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view.

[Bim]

If they remake the first three... they are remaking the originals. Sorry to break it to ya. Good news is you and I will be dead by then. Well you definitely since I am assuming you are of the older bunch.
Even if i'm dead by then, i'll probably be turning in my grave :hehe:

I might get slammed for this, but i honestly dont have any issues with the actors from the PT. I do wish Hayden would have been cast since episode 1 and be given more to work with and explore with the character.

[FaT_tONle]

I'd prefer a more mature take as well, easily PG-13. It should have been less kid friendly than the OT IMO, although with Lucas at the helm that was a pipe dream. Padme was how old again in Episode I? I agree it should have only been a 3-4 year age difference. The plot was fine. Just way too much camp. Not exactly shedding any new light on the matter, but they need to fix that the next time around.

[bullets]

What's going on with Colin Hanks these days? Can this guy just not act with all do respect? I can't even remember the last thing I have seen him in, nor do I remember seeing him in anything for that matter.

PS: I think they should remake the franchise from episode one... fifty years from now or so. Eventually it's going to happen, probably sooner than that. The only question is whether we get more Star Wars movies as a prelude or sequels in the meantime.


Colin hanks? I can't remember him in anything.

The real question is , if Lucas said a new trilogy (pre or seq) was coming out , would people be exited or worried?

[DarKJediKnight]

Uh, yes:

Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and *became* Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view.

Oh. Sorry. I missed that. But we can really explain that in PT's context. Obi-Wan could mean that Anakin was good in a way that a young kid (which Anakin was the first time Obi-Wan met him) is not-corrupted good, or Anakin is a loving and caring son to his mother. But to be fair to your point I really wish that the PT should've shown more of that good side.

I'd prefer a more mature take as well, easily PG-13. It should have been less kid friendly than the OT IMO, although with Lucas at the helm that was a pipe dream. Padme was how old again in Episode I? I agree it should have only been a 3-4 year age difference. The plot was fine. Just way too much camp. Not exactly shedding any new light on the matter, but they need to fix that the next time around.

Yeah, like I said, retain the story, but told in a more mature way, with excellent script and great direction. Lucas failed in all of that. They could actually do that by using the "point of view" reasoning... the original PT was told by a bad storyteller, then the remake could be told by an engaging storyteller.

Padme was I think 14 years old? That means she's 5 years older than him. What a beautiful cougar. :awesome:

[Sloth7d]

Oh. Sorry. I missed that. But we can really explain that in PT's context. Obi-Wan could mean that Anakin was good in a way that a young kid (which Anakin was the first time Obi-Wan met him) is not-corrupted good, or Anakin is a loving and caring son to his mother. But to be fair to your point I really wish that the PT should've shown more of that good side.





Good man?

[Kurosawa]

Colin hanks? I can't remember him in anything.

The real question is , if Lucas said a new trilogy (pre or seq) was coming out , would people be exited or worried?

People would *****, whine, complain, then go to them over and over in the usual huge numbers.

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

I cant see lucas doing another SW movie.........unless he wants to adapt TFU into a movie. :oldrazz:

[Vengeance of Bane]

I would love to see a new trilogy based on The Old Republic games, that focused on the sith, rather the jedi.

[DawnWarrior]

People would *****, whine, complain, then go to them over and over in the usual huge numbers.
On that we can mostly agree. Add to that: the first two weeks will be "At least it was better than the prequels."

[DarKJediKnight]

Good man?

Man could refer to a "person as a whole".

[DarKJediKnight]

I would love to see a new trilogy based on The Old Republic games, that focused on the sith, rather the jedi.

I would also like that. I want to see a Star Wars movie based on the Old Republic Era.

[Sloth7d]

Man could refer to a "person as a whole".

Doesn't seem so in this case as he mentions that Darth Vader "killed" that good man. This can only mean that he was good up until that defining moment. Meaning he was a good person for some amount of time as an adult.

[DarknessOfDeath]

I like to see The Old Republic era where you have characters like Raven and Bastila.

I also like to see the X-wing series. Im reading Wraith Squadron.

[CelticPredator]

Boba Fett: The Movie. :o

[SchumacherFan]

Hollywood is OBSESSED WITH REBOOTS ! ! And now JORGE Lucas wants in on the action too!!! Time to make Star Wars Episode IV - A New Hope with BIGGER CGI.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:sgQheq-SovGfHM:http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/iloveyou17_08/Shia_LaBouf-001.jpg
Shia Labouf as Luke Skywalker

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:O4NLwQDaJLlVIM:http://www.utac.org/images/PSAs/TiffaniThiessen_bl.jpg
Tiffani Thiessen as Princess Leia

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:NOJ3kina-yuQgM:http://filmchat.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/vin-diesel-picture-11.jpg
Vin Diesel as Han Solo

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QGEQlVy0bx1iXM:http://celebrityandworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/michael-caine.jpg
Michael Caine as Obi Wan Kenobi

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:_MRomLAuqnSPBM:http://www.insidesocal.com/outinhollywood/C55897.jpg
Alan Cummings as C-3P0

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:EkxhYv56ZPXooM:http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/events/DGG-019315.jpg
Verne Troyer as R2-D2

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:RwZq1-bvZDmuBM:http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/02/11/ralphfiennes_narrowweb__300x483,0.jpg
Ralph Fiennes as Grand Moff Tarkin

And Jorge Luca$ won't stop there...Time to remake Empire and Jedi , guys!!!!

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:cSFAfUJPcW0DfM:http://inside224a.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/terrence-howard-300a0118071.jpg
Terrence Howard as Lando in Empire Strikes Back

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:haidVO7gDe768M:http://static.reelmovienews.com/images/gallery/gary-oldman-photo.jpg
Gary Oldman as Emperor Palpatine

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:82hBwuwWJhp5pM:http://spotlightonentertainment.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/don-cheadle.jpg
Don Cheadle as Lando in Return of the Jedi


Come on SHH fans ! ! ! Let's get an internet petition for this remake! Internet petitions ALWAYS work ! ! !

[8wid]

^^^
You get one :barf:for that.

[ross2287]

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:cSFAfUJPcW0DfM:http://inside224a.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/terrence-howard-300a0118071.jpg
Terrence Howard as Lando in Empire Strikes Back



http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:82hBwuwWJhp5pM:http://spotlightonentertainment.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/don-cheadle.jpg
Don Cheadle as Lando in Return of the Jedi

:lmao:

[8wid]

Boba Fett: The Movie. :o

F*** yeah!:up:

[DarKJediKnight]

Hollywood is OBSESSED WITH REBOOTS ! ! And now JORGE :doh: Lucas wants in on the action too!!! Time to make Star Wars Episode IV - A New Hope with BIGGER CGI.

Come on SHH fans ! ! ! Let's get an internet petition for this remake! Internet petitions ALWAYS work ! ! !

The Howard/cheadle one was funny, but could you at least stop your hate obsession with Lucas? You don't have any proof of your statement. It seems like you just want your thread to get noticed. You're acting like a troll.

[SchumacherFan]

The Howard/cheadle one was funny, but could you at least stop your hate obsession with Lucas? You don't have any proof of your statement. It seems like you just want your thread to get noticed. You're acting like a troll.

Oh please. It was a joke and one guy got it right away.

Lighten up.

I actually think Prequels are fun films. Not good films by any means, but fun popcorn films on the level of Transformers.

I'm the least Anti-Lucas guy out there. Yeah Prequels were awful stories, but I don't put all the hate in Lucas. i think he just surrounded himself with yes me.

[Cuyan]

I'm pretty anti-Lucas. :)

[Bim]

^^^
You get one :barf:for that.
Seconded, i might need therapy after seeing this :hehe: :oldrazz:

[CelticPredator]

Hollywood is OBSESSED WITH REBOOTS ! ! And now JORGE Lucas wants in on the action too!!! Time to make Star Wars Episode IV - A New Hope with BIGGER CGI.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:sgQheq-SovGfHM:http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa35/iloveyou17_08/Shia_LaBouf-001.jpg
Shia Labouf as Luke Skywalker

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:O4NLwQDaJLlVIM:http://www.utac.org/images/PSAs/TiffaniThiessen_bl.jpg
Tiffani Thiessen as Princess Leia

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:NOJ3kina-yuQgM:http://filmchat.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/vin-diesel-picture-11.jpg
Vin Diesel as Han Solo

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:QGEQlVy0bx1iXM:http://celebrityandworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/michael-caine.jpg
Michael Caine as Obi Wan Kenobi

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:_MRomLAuqnSPBM:http://www.insidesocal.com/outinhollywood/C55897.jpg
Alan Cummings as C-3P0

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:EkxhYv56ZPXooM:http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/events/DGG-019315.jpg
Verne Troyer as R2-D2

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:RwZq1-bvZDmuBM:http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/02/11/ralphfiennes_narrowweb__300x483,0.jpg
Ralph Fiennes as Grand Moff Tarkin

And Jorge Luca$ won't stop there...Time to remake Empire and Jedi , guys!!!!

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:cSFAfUJPcW0DfM:http://inside224a.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/terrence-howard-300a0118071.jpg
Terrence Howard as Lando in Empire Strikes Back

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:haidVO7gDe768M:http://static.reelmovienews.com/images/gallery/gary-oldman-photo.jpg
Gary Oldman as Emperor Palpatine

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:82hBwuwWJhp5pM:http://spotlightonentertainment.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/don-cheadle.jpg
Don Cheadle as Lando in Return of the Jedi


Come on SHH fans ! ! ! Let's get an internet petition for this remake! Internet petitions ALWAYS work ! ! !

Directed by Brett Ratner.

[DawnWarrior]

Directed by Brett Ratner.
AAAAHHH!!! NOOO!!! IT BUUUUUURRRNNNSSS!!! :wall::wall:

Well, as bad as the prequels may have been, they could always have been worse.

[8wid]

I'm pretty anti-Lucas. :)

That's the talk I like to hear! :highfive:

[Cuyan]

I honestly can not fathom how he, based on his "talents", has fans at all.

[Timstuff]

http://i46.tinypic.com/1zxv1gm.jpg

Seriously though, I don't think that most of the controversy surrounding Lucas would exist if it weren't for his own fans. To the general public, he's just the Star Wars guy. The people who claim he's the worst person ever though are the people who have pledged their lives to following every little thing he does with the franchise. To "normies" all the Star Wars movies are about the same, and they either like them or they don't. It's only when you begin exploring the fandom though that you see people drawing battle lines over what in the franchise is good and what isn't.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Schumacherfan can't even get the damn name right. Jorge Lucas? FAIL.

[SchumacherFan]

Schumacherfan can't even get the damn name right. Jorge Lucas? FAIL.

Oh, I'm sorry...

Jorge Luca$

[Iceman]

http://i46.tinypic.com/1zxv1gm.jpg

Seriously though, I don't think that most of the controversy surrounding Lucas would exist if it weren't for his own fans. To the general public, he's just the Star Wars guy. The people who claim he's the worst person ever though are the people who have pledged their lives to following every little thing he does with the franchise. To "normies" all the Star Wars movies are about the same, and they either like them or they don't. It's only when you begin exploring the fandom though that you see people drawing battle lines over what in the franchise is good and what isn't.Don't know about that. The vast majority of "normies" I've spoken with have expressed a preference for Star Wars & Empire Strikes Back over the prequel films, although Sith is sometimes popular.

I would agree though that normies don't hold any animosity towards Lucas unlike some of the diehard fans.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Oh, I'm sorry...

Jorge Luca$

:hehe: no wait...:dry:

[Cuyan]

I think the fans are most upset about Lucas getting credit for absolutely everything involving Star Wars. Fans are more in the know than a "normie" so they would be more knowledgeable about who is responsible for what. So for him to get credit for the good things (as well as the bad) is not fair to the talented people who have fixed plot-holes, repaired storylines, introduced characters now popular and beloved, etc..

Lucas came up with few characters and a few plot points from A New Hope as we know it today and that's about it. The rest of the entire franchise is really a collaboration of ideas from many many different people. Lucas just happens to be the guy raking in the most cash because Fox let him keep the merchandising rights back in 77 because they thought it wouldn't matter.

[Kurosawa]

I think the fans are most upset about Lucas getting credit for absolutely everything involving Star Wars. Fans are more in the know than a "normie" so they would be more knowledgeable about who is responsible for what. So for him to get credit for the good things (as well as the bad) is not fair to the talented people who have fixed plot-holes, repaired storylines, introduced characters now popular and beloved, etc..

Lucas came up with few characters and a few plot points from A New Hope as we know it today and that's about it. The rest of the entire franchise is really a collaboration of ideas from many many different people. Lucas just happens to be the guy raking in the most cash because Fox let him keep the merchandising rights back in 77 because they thought it wouldn't matter.

Oh, the 'ol basher favorite Gary Kurtz lie, eh?

Total ********. He had help-everyone does, but it's HIS creation, and therefore most of the credit (and blame) rightfully and deservedly goes to him.

A few characters and a few plots...that kills me. Ya, right. That's why names, characters, worlds and concepts from old ANH drafts appeared in the series all the way to ROTS.

And yes, the near insane hatred of Lucas (even stooping to the point of physical threats and death threats) that is seen online is not felt by the general public, who are not fanatically obsessed.

[Cuyan]

Yes names, worlds, and concepts would appear on old ANH drafts because he didn't write it himself, he has admitted this, it's no secret. It is also no secret that he couldn't sell his first draft so he gave it to his friends to rework into a buyable screenplay.

Yes the concept of STAR WARS is his idea, but that's not what's being discussed. The perpetuation of the universe is now more the responsibility of the authors and artists, Lucas still wields the big veto stamp, but the ideas are really coming from more heads than his own.

Furthering what I was saying about FOX not having faith in the film. Even Lucas planned for the film to be a flop, which is why he commissioned Foster (the author who wrote the book version of A New Hope) to write Splinter of a Mind's Eye. If you're not familiar, it's the book sequel to ANH where Luke and Leia somewhat explore their attraction to each other, romantically. Ick.

[Kurosawa]

Yes names, worlds, and concepts would appear on old ANH drafts because he didn't write it himself, he has admitted this, it's no secret. It is also no secret that he couldn't sell his first draft so he gave it to his friends to rework into a buyable screenplay.

Yes the concept of STAR WARS is his idea, but that's not what's being discussed. The perpetuation of the universe is now more the responsibility of the authors and artists, Lucas still wields the big veto stamp, but the ideas are really coming from more heads than his own.

Furthering what I was saying about FOX not having faith in the film. Even Lucas planned for the film to be a flop, which is why he commissioned Foster (the author who wrote the book version of A New Hope) to write Splinter of a Mind's Eye. If you're not familiar, it's the book sequel to ANH where Luke and Leia somewhat explore their attraction to each other, romantically. Ick.

Source? I know he had Gloria Katz and Willard Huyck do a dialogue polish on ANH, I've never seen the script credited to anyone but Lucas. Ever read Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays? The script process is described in there in detail and I don't see anything to substantiate the claims you are making.

I never said he didn't have help, and I have read about the process in which the SW movies were made in detail, but even when he picks and chooses from concepts other creators and artists come up with the choices all rest with him.

And I read Splinter of the Mind's Eye back when it first came out. In fact a lot of the criticism of ESB that I remember from the early 80's was that it wasn't as epic as that novel...which I felt then and feel now is...:whatever:

[Cuyan]

I am with you on the comparison between ESB and Splinter. ESB isn't all that strong as a book but it is miles better than Splinter, and decidedly less creepy.

All I was saying is that praising the man for being a creative genius, and a wealth of imagination, etc. is unfounded nowadays. I'm sure he has things to say and whatnot, but he is a terrible writer, flat out. Most of the recent Star Wars books that have come out post-prequels have been really well done and the only "input" from Lucas on these, and other, media is whether or not it can use the Star Wars name. Lucas' creativity can be seen in Episodes 1-3 as they were not based on any literary source prior to the "screenplay". You can see the distinct difference, both visually and conceptually, between those films and every other piece of media bearing the Star Wars name since.

[Kurosawa]

I am with you on the comparison between ESB and Splinter. ESB isn't all that strong as a book but it is miles better than Splinter, and decidedly less creepy.

All I was saying is that praising the man for being a creative genius, and a wealth of imagination, etc. is unfounded nowadays. I'm sure he has things to say and whatnot, but he is a terrible writer, flat out. Most of the recent Star Wars books that have come out post-prequels have been really well done and the only "input" from Lucas on these, and other, media is whether or not it can use the Star Wars name. Lucas' creativity can be seen in Episodes 1-3 as they were not based on any literary source prior to the "screenplay". You can see the distinct difference, both visually and conceptually, between those films and every other piece of media bearing the Star Wars name since.

Hardly anyone online praises Lucas for anything and in fact many people marginalize whatever accomplishments he has had. Bashing Lucas is hardly an edgy thing to do. In fact, I would say it takes more guts to defend him than it does to bash him. I think his dialogue is pretty stiff and corny, but I also noticed that actors like Ewan deal with it and still come off well where lesser actors like Hayden and Natalie fall on their faces. That's still Lucas' fault though-he should have cast better actors. I still feel that Mark Hamill made the OT work a lot more than anyone gives him credit for. If he had been as bad as Hayden, SW would have never been what it is.

But yeah, bashing Lucas...wow, big whoop. Only been hearing/seeing people do it since 1980 to a degree, and non-stop since 1999.

[Cuyan]

I just watched Hope the other day and was taken aback by Hamill. It had been years since I had watched the whole thing beginning to end and I was surprised at how much Hamill carried. He even put Guinness to shame. Though no body comes close to Anthony Daniels. :awesome:

[Jordacar]

He's at it again!!!
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[Sloth7d]

Finally. I've been waiting for AOTC.