View Full Version : Inspirations from "The Spectacular Spider-Man".
GamerSlyRatchet
12-23-2009, 10:08 PM
As we have seen throughout the three films, there have been aspects from the 90's animated show that made their way to them (Norman Osborn having a split-personality disorder, Dr. Octavious being a mentor figure to Peter, most of the symbiote saga) and even a couple of shots recreated from the show (like the upside-down Symbiote Spidey).
But now that the new show "The Spectacular Spider-Man" has proven to be popular with fans and critics alike, are there any aspects, characterizations, story lines, etc., that anyone would like to see Raimi try on the next films?
Oscorp
12-24-2009, 05:20 AM
The first thing that comes to my mind is making Tombstone a mob boss.
Reikowolf
12-24-2009, 08:24 AM
The second that came to mind was Felicia Harding being the Uncle Ben's killer's daughter. When it was announced that Papajohn would return.
On that note. I really enjoyed how SSM handled the symbiote. They took elements of SM3 and USM and then slowly melded it with concepts from ASM comic book.
- When the black suit turns into the black suit from the comics slowly but surely
- Peter Web swinging while sleeping
webhead731
12-24-2009, 12:29 PM
I do not like that show.
"Brock, don't do this bro!"
Nuf said.
NinjaTurtleFan
12-24-2009, 01:27 PM
- Him and Gwen could be good pals I could see that.
- If Lizard is the villain I'd set more of a personal attachment between Connors and Parker like they did in the show.
- Tombstone being a mob boss. Black Cat pulling off heists all because she wants to get her father out of prison.
-Hammerhead and Silvermane and other mobsters trying to take siege of New York with gangland violence but also relying on superpowered villains to achieve that goal.
- Peter/Spider-Man being more of a wiseass.
Jick09
12-24-2009, 01:58 PM
- If Lizard is the villain I'd set more of a personal attachment between Connors and Parker like they did in the show.If Lizard is the villain, which I hope he is, I want him to be the ferocious mindless monster he was in the cartoon. Everything about that Lizard was great, for me.
- Tombstone being a mob boss. Black Cat pulling off heists all because she wants to get her father out of prison.
-Hammerhead and Silvermane and other mobsters trying to take siege of New York with gangland violence but also relying on superpowered villains to achieve that goal.I like the idea of including Tombstone and Hammerhead. It`d go for a different setting.
Tombstone financing new villains for future movies, like Rhino and Shocker, would be great.
- Peter/Spider-Man being more of a wiseass.Certainly. I think everyone wants that.
Rodrigo90
12-24-2009, 02:33 PM
All those wishes...not gonna happen,unless a reboot.
GoldGoblin
12-24-2009, 03:52 PM
-If they make the Lizard episode into a movie.
-If they would balance screen time between Peter and Spidey,so we see equal amount of time for both characters.And Peter's screen time isn't hogged up by MJ.
-Jokes like each episode does.
-Leave the cheesy stuff out like how this show does.
I'm against this idea with a passion. A damn-near 50 year old property should not be copying from a damn cartoon show, especially one meant for children. Draw from the comics, if anything, I'd like to see elements from the comic books to be made more complex, as if there isn't just toddlers in the audience.
The Squirrel
12-24-2009, 05:11 PM
I'm against this idea with a passion. A damn-near 50 year old property should not be copying from a damn cartoon show, especially one meant for children. Draw from the comics, if anything, I'd like to see elements from the comic books to be made more complex, as if there isn't just toddlers in the audience.
Have you seen the show?
Sloth7d
12-24-2009, 05:13 PM
Certainly. I think everyone wants that.
Nope, not me. i think Spider-man's quipping is at a balanced level as is, anymore would be distracting and out of place should he be in similar the situations he was in during the last movies.
Have you seen the show?Yes, and my words still stand. Is Spider-Man source material so weak to you all, that he has to gravitate towards kids cartoon shows for ideas?
Alex The Great
12-24-2009, 05:31 PM
I do not like that show.
"Brock, don't do this bro!"
Nuf said.
He's a ****ing Teenager!
And you know, their parents died in a plain cash and their practically brothers. Brothers call each other that, in case you didn't know.
SpeterMan3
12-24-2009, 05:42 PM
Yes, and my words still stand. Is Spider-Man source material so weak to you all, that he has to gravitate towards kids cartoon shows for ideas?
The show is very good (and probably actually too complex for kids to fully understand). It's just one more place for some indpiration to come from. And you make it seem like the show doesn't follow comics at all. There are definitely more sources. This show is just one. Adding elements from the show could also add to the appeal of the movie in much the same way adding elements of the movie into the show does.
Spider-ManHero12
12-24-2009, 05:46 PM
I do not like that show.
"Brock, don't do this bro!"
Nuff' said. Meh, to each his own. I find The SPectacular Spider-Man to be the greatest superhero aniamted series ever. :spidey:
SpeterMan3
12-24-2009, 05:49 PM
:up::spidey::up:
Sloth7d
12-24-2009, 05:55 PM
Meh, to each his own. I find The SPectacular Spider-Man to be the greatest superhero aniamted series ever. :spidey:
Even better than the 90s Batman:tas?
SpeterMan3
12-24-2009, 05:59 PM
Answering for myself, it's at least on par.
Sloth7d
12-24-2009, 06:07 PM
Even saying it's on par is music to my ears in comparison to the majority of fans who believe that show, Batman:tas, is the GOD of super hero animated series. While it is good I wouldn't put it on that ridiculous a pedalstool. There are a couple of SH series that are easily on par. :up:
The show is very good (and probably actually too complex for kids to fully understand). It's just one more place for some indpiration to come from. And you make it seem like the show doesn't follow comics at all. There are definitely more sources. This show is just one. Adding elements from the show could also add to the appeal of the movie in much the same way adding elements of the movie into the show does.
The show is hokey, few sparks here and there. But nothing to set Spider-Man apart from Ben 10. If I can manage not to vomit from looking at the character designs, I'd put that Doc Ock and Green Goblin over my knee and spank their little hiney. Seriously, how old is that Doc Ock, he looks like a fat 16 year old kid who sounds 13...and Aunt May looks 22. I'd even settle for character designs and animation that looks like Avatar: The Last Air-Bender, but written for older teens.
I don't know, I'm glad you all enjoy the show, it's gonna take a few years down the line from visionary writers and animator to pick Spider-Man up and want to finally set him apart from what's being done by every other network.
If I survive that long to see it. :dry:
SpeterMan3
12-24-2009, 06:16 PM
At first I didn't really like the animation or voices, but I got use dto it and I really enjoy the show now and I do feel it is really great. I see where you're coming from, though.
The Squirrel
12-24-2009, 08:04 PM
Yes, and my words still stand. Is Spider-Man source material so weak to you all, that he has to gravitate towards kids cartoon shows for ideas?
I'm just saying, the show has more maturity than the entire 3rd movie.
Dr.Dude
12-25-2009, 12:30 PM
I think the one thing I'd like to see them take from the show--in both the comics and a potential movie--is the depiction of Tombstone, as others have said above.
Tombstone was always a villain with a great deal of potential that he never lived up to but the way he was recreated into a Kingpin-esque figure for Spectacular is similar to the way that Batman: The Animated Series revitalized Mr. Freeze. It's crazy to realize that because of it, I don't think many would object (or even be exceptionally surprised!) if Tombstone was announced as a villain in SM4, whereas just a year or so ago there would have been a huge ruckus over it.
GamerSlyRatchet
12-25-2009, 03:04 PM
The show is hokey, few sparks here and there. But nothing to set Spider-Man apart from Ben 10. If I can manage not to vomit from looking at the character designs, I'd put that Doc Ock and Green Goblin over my knee and spank their little hiney. Seriously, how old is that Doc Ock, he looks like a fat 16 year old kid who sounds 13...and Aunt May looks 22. I'd even settle for character designs and animation that looks like Avatar: The Last Air-Bender, but written for older teens.
I don't know, I'm glad you all enjoy the show, it's gonna take a few years down the line from visionary writers and animator to pick Spider-Man up and want to finally set him apart from what's being done by every other network.
If I survive that long to see it. :dry:
So you're basing your enjoyment of the series solely on the artwork and designs? Did you even pay attention to the show's writing and characterization?
Doc Ock, for the first time, is portrayed as an evil criminal mastermind like in the comics, not some cheesy mad scientist, servant for the Kingpin, or someone with mere flirtations with evil. And the Green Goblin is possibly the closest we'll ever see from the comics as far as interpretations go. Also, what's wrong with not having Aunt May go around as a walking cadaver?
Plus, the designs were used to provide smooth and fluid animation for an action Spider-Man show. As much as I love Avatar: The Last Airbender, even the animation there lagged a few times. I remember when people complained about Timm's shows having "simplistic" designs, and assumed the shows sucked.
Anyways, I agree with others about the interpretations for the Lizard and Tombstone. Those could be used rather well in an live-action movie. In addition, I would like Captain Stacy and his relationship with Spidey to be portrayed closer to it. Electro's version in the show would also work well. A realistic costume with some pathos: perfect for the Raimi movies!
Jick09
12-25-2009, 09:21 PM
Nope, not me. i think Spider-man's quipping is at a balanced level as is, anymore would be distracting and out of place should he be in similar the situations he was in during the last movies.
Not enough to differentiate him from his Peter Parker self.
Being a wise ass all the time while fighting is one of his main characteristics. Spidey in the movie isn't the Spidey from the comics, it's Peter Parker in a suit.
The Spectacular Spidey does the quips and it doesn't seem stupid, silly or out of place. It doesn't distract from the action. As seen in the comics, it prevents him from panicking. It is properly and well used.
It can be done in the movies.
Infinity9999x
12-25-2009, 09:34 PM
I do not like that show.
"Brock, don't do this bro!"
Nuf said.
:whatever:
I will admit that the "Bro" thing was one of the few things I didn't like about SSM, that and the Kraven change.
Other than that the show is amazing. Raimi, or anyone who makes a Spider-man movie in the future would do well if they followed SSM's example in characterization, writing, and handling of the supporting cast. It's the best use of Spidey's supporting cast in any media incarnation of Spidey by far :up:
Infinity9999x
12-25-2009, 09:39 PM
Yes, and my words still stand. Is Spider-Man source material so weak to you all, that he has to gravitate towards kids cartoon shows for ideas?
In many cases these kids shows handle things better than the comics themselves. The black suit saga, and the Eddie Brock character, were handled ten times better in the 90's TAS and SSM then in the comics.
Discounting it because it is a childrens show is both foolish and ignorant. SSM has many good ideas, and good writing. Would you want people to discount taking ideas from the Batman Animated series simply because it's a "kids show"? I doubt many would agree with you in that point, since that "kids show" is regarded by many to be the best media adaptation of Batman period.
And besides, the comics aren't always the best source material. Sometimes they need to be changed. I certainly don't want to see Spidey making deals with Satan any time soon in the next few movies (no matter how badly they've written MJ's character in the past few movies).
webhead731
12-25-2009, 11:05 PM
:whatever:
I will admit that the "Bro" thing was one of the few things I didn't like about SSM, that and the Kraven change.
Other than that the show is amazing. Raimi, or anyone who makes a Spider-man movie in the future would do well if they followed SSM's example in characterization, writing, and handling of the supporting cast. It's the best use of Spidey's supporting cast in any media incarnation of Spidey by far :up:
Sorry, but I do not find anything in that show appealing, except the action scenes. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is nothing special, writing isn't all that great, they took their own creative changes with some villains, which I don't mind, but I didn't like where they went with it. I just can't get into the show. And it's sad that I love almost everything Spider-Man, except that. That and Friend or Foe (the game). :dry:
Raimi would be a bit foolish to try to copy that. Saying it's not really a kid's show is...well not true. It's really lighthearted and a bit hokey. Which it probably should be right? WB and all.
1990's Batman>Spectacular Spider-Man. While it had some bad acting in parts, it was a pretty badass show. The music, art, and all that was very well done. They were using hand guns, and words like death etc., which I guess ruined it for Spidey's cartoon because they had to use stupid lasers. That's the only thing I hate about that show, lack of realism. Spider-Man's universe doesn't have cops using laser guns. :cmad:
Just my opinion though.
Infinity9999x
12-25-2009, 11:54 PM
Sorry, but I do not find anything in that show appealing, except the action scenes. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is nothing special, writing isn't all that great, they took their own creative changes with some villains, which I don't mind, but I didn't like where they went with it. I just can't get into the show. And it's sad that I love almost everything Spider-Man, except that. That and Friend or Foe (the game). :dry:
Raimi would be a bit foolish to try to copy that. Saying it's not really a kid's show is...well not true. It's really lighthearted and a bit hokey. Which it probably should be right? WB and all.
1990's Batman>Spectacular Spider-Man. While it had some bad acting in parts, it was a pretty badass show. The music, art, and all that was very well done. They were using hand guns, and words like death etc., which I guess ruined it for Spidey's cartoon because they had to use stupid lasers. That's the only thing I hate about that show, lack of realism. Spider-Man's universe doesn't have cops using laser guns. :cmad:
Just my opinion though.
Well I would disagree that the writing isn't that great. I thought the Goblin arc was handled wonderfully, and the use of the supporting cast is easily the best of any television of movie incarnation of Spider-man. This is the first cartoon or movie I've seen where they make Flash more than a one-dimensional bully. Harry was done very well, we actually are introduced to characters like Liz Allen, her brother, or Captain Stacy. Gwen is finally a major character, which is refreshing as well.
And while I wasn't a big fan of the character design at first, there's no denying that the animation is more fluid and the action is ten times better then any past Spider-man cartoon.
Not to mention that the show borrows quite a bit from the early years of the Spider-man comics, and I think they handled it quite nicely, while doing a nice "ultimate SM" thing and updating it to the 21st century.
Yes, the show is a bit hokey at times, but any cartoon show is going to be. BTAS had some pretty hokey episodes as well. But if you're a fan of Spider-man comics, I really can't see how you would be mad at SSM as a whole, since it is very much in tune with the characters that the classic Spider-man stories established.
I personally would like any director who takes over the Spider-man franchise to pay close attention to how this show handles the supporting cast of the Spider-man universe. Having Liz Allen and Flash and Randy Robertson included, and be actual characters, is a refreshing change. Also, I love the dynamic that Gwen and MJ have in the show.
Mistah K88
12-26-2009, 01:45 AM
Tombstone as the Big Man (a Mob Boss) is one that I would like to see. They won't be using Kingpin anytime soon (for the same reasons he can't appear on the show) so they might as well.
Also, the creation of "supervillains" on purpose to distract Spidey while simple petty thugs loot the city has to be the best explanations for why supervillains exist ever. In supervillain reality there are so many random accidents it hurts.
If they didn't kill off Ock, I would also like to see his rise in organized crime as the Master Planner, and the Gang War...but what's done is done.
Sloth7d
12-26-2009, 07:12 AM
Technically, we didn't see him die. We saw him float under with implications of death, but they could always bring him back; I'd prefer not personally but just to say.
CaptainStacy
01-01-2010, 02:41 PM
:whatever:
I will admit that the "Bro" thing was one of the few things I didn't like about SSM, that and the Kraven change.
Other than that the show is amazing. Raimi, or anyone who makes a Spider-man movie in the future would do well if they followed SSM's example in characterization, writing, and handling of the supporting cast. It's the best use of Spidey's supporting cast in any media incarnation of Spidey by far :up:
Without question. :up:
Spider-ManHero12
01-01-2010, 03:08 PM
Technically, we didn't see him die. We saw him float under with implications of death, but they could always bring him back; I'd prefer not personally but just to say. Very true. He's presumed dead, but, you ever know. Villians always find ways to come back.
spider-neil
01-01-2010, 04:06 PM
sam could do a lot worse than take the episode of the lizard and put it on the big screen. awesome episdoe.
Spiderine
01-03-2010, 08:44 AM
I say hire the entire writing team for the movies. Excellent understanding of characters.
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