OFFICIAL: John Malkovich is Vulture

[I_am_iron_man]

Yeah, it's unbelievable.

As a guest in an Italian tv Show called "Quelli che il calcio", actor John Malkovich has confirmed that he will play Vulture in "Spider-Man 4".

He has confirmed the production's stop and he has confirmed that he's waiting the screenplay.

Finally he said that he is hoping that the shooting will begin too soon.

Source if you don't believe me: http://www.badtaste.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11138&Itemid=85

[DarthDaveBanner]

Awesome. Maybe this means that the whole production delay thing isn't that serious, its just an issue of getting a perfect script.

[I_am_iron_man]

When someone upload the interview on youtube i post here! ;)

[[A]]

So he's in and haven't read a script..?

[Nathan]

So, Vulture after all. If there isn't a second villain in it, I'm not gonna bother with it.

[I_am_iron_man]

;17926115']So he's in and haven't read a script..?

He's said that. Probably he has read the last draft by Vanderbilt, Ross and Lindsay-Abaire. Now he's waiting for the Sargent's draft.

[Pac-Master]

I know it's not what most of us wanted, but lets just let Raimi do his thing. I trust that he knows what he's doing.

I am also hoping for a second villain, too.

[Nathan]

Giving us decent villains, I have no doubt that Raimi can do that. But it's his Mary Jane and Peter Parker that I can't stand since 3 movies.

[FaT_tONle]

It was pretty much confirmed that he was a lock as long as this version of the film happened. Doesn't mean the movie is going forward, not until they fix the script.

[The Joker]

Hooray for Malkovich, he's a great actor. If anyone can bring some menace to the Vulture, he can. I just hope the script allows him to bring something to the role.

And I really hope the Vulture is not the only villain. He's not got what it takes to be the solo antagonist, IMO.

[FaT_tONle]

I think you add Electro, or go with a mob angle with Hammerhead or the Enforcers, which Black Cat can work well with, it will work out fine.

[I_am_iron_man]

I think you add Electro, or go with a mob angle with Hammerhead or the Enforcers, which Black Cat can work well with, it will work out fine.

I think that Vulture + Electro is a good couple of villains.

[SpideyTheBest]

Didn't Raimi say he wanted both Vulture and Electro once?

If Electro is the second villain then I am very happy.

[Goran]

Great news finally!

I just hope the Vulturess-rumors don't turn out to be true... :(

Electro would fit perfect with Vulture!
I don't know why they have such difficulties in realizing this..

[DarthDaveBanner]

I think a second villain is a given; brawn to Toomes' brain.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Alright!! :up:

[A&W]

I'm hoping for a classic vulture costume.

[DarthDaveBanner]

He's said that. Probably he has read the last draft by Vanderbilt, Ross and Lindsay-Abaire. Now he's waiting for the Sargent's draft.

He must have liked it more than the SM1 script seeing as he turned that one down.

[American_Hobo]

Ughh...........So out of all the villains, it has to be Vulture.:dry:

[Nathan]

I'm hoping for a classic vulture costume.

Yeah... I don't think that's gonna happen.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8148/vulturei.gif (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/vulturei.gif/)

[I Am The Bat]

I can not read Italian :/

[I_am_iron_man]

For those who can't read italian, Superherohype has posted all the news in english:
http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=8971

[Oscorp]

Great news, if there will be a secondary villain too (which I think there will). Vulture + Electro sounds great to me. Malkovic = Vulture is even better!

[DarthDaveBanner]

So do people prefer this choice to Ben Kingsley?

[Oscorp]

Judging by the looks, I'd definitely prefer Ben Kingsley. But I haven't seen him in many movies enough to judge him by his acting skills, so I can't say anything about that.

[Figs]

So do people prefer this choice to Ben Kingsley?

Personally I think Ben Kingsley woud have looked more like the character since Malkovich is pretty tall. Overall though, they're both great actors so I'm not disappointed that Malkovich got the role, I'm actually really excited to see what he'll look like in the suit.

[A&W]

Yeah... I don't think that's gonna happen.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/8148/vulturei.gif (http://img13.imageshack.us/i/vulturei.gif/)

the same costume can be drawn by modern artists and it can look a lot cooler so picking a picture like that doesn't quite settle the debate. It's not like none of us know what he looks like.

I expect his wings and feathers to have a more natural look.

And with Raimi at the helm? It probably will be the classic costume. I could see them going with the armour thing later on in the movie maybe for the final battle, but we will see the classic costume at some point in the movie if not for the whole movie.

[bullets]

Well I think this good news. I'm also hoping for a second villian that isn't the Vultress. I personally want to see all the classic villians first so this works for me.

I also wouldn't underestimate the Vulture or Malkovich.

[A&W]

http://marvel.com/universe/Vulture_(Adrian_Toomes)

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.movie-moron.com/wp-content/gallery/spiderman/spiderman-5-villains-4-vulture-next-enemy-cast-pictures.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.movie-moron.com/%3Fp%3D788%26page%3D4&usg=__orQHSg19wjbJNjkEAqnr3J_7kFA=&h=365&w=300&sz=102&hl=en&start=17&tbnid=kDu4HezPQK-FRM:&tbnh=121&tbnw=99&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dvulture%2Bspiderman%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3D en%26safe%3Doff

and judging by this storyboard art from spider-man 3 I'd say it's basically a given

http://www.internapse.com/gallery/d/68912-1/01.jpg

[night0205]

I'm not happy about this. It's not official, obviously there are complaints by the studio, but I'm not happy about this at all. I really... really don't like the vulture, but hey, I care about story more, so it better be good.

[Nathan]

the same costume can be drawn by modern artists and it can look a lot cooler so picking a picture like that doesn't quite settle the debate. It's not like none of us know what he looks like.

Doesn't matter who draws it. The green Pyjamas simply aren't going to cut it on screen.


And with Raimi at the helm? It probably will be the classic costume.

And what exactly makes you think that? So far the only character that looked exactly like the comic books was Sandman. And that's because it was a simple shirt and pants. Otherwise none of the characters wore costumes that looked just like the comics.

[terry78]

Hmmm, I am intrigued. A small part of me hopes Lizzy is still in there somewhere, because I want a non-humanoid villain in this series at least once.

[Crook]

I'm not happy about this. It's not official, obviously there are complaints by the studio, but I'm not happy about this at all. I really... really don't like the vulture, but hey, I care about story more, so it better be good.
Malkovich is no slouch when it comes to choosing movies. Certainly A LOT better than Kingsley in that department.

I distinctly remember him talking down the notion that he'd be in a comic book movie (back in the SM1 days), was that ever verified? If so, if he's had a change of heart than perhaps Raimi really has amped up his game this time around.

[The Joker]

Malkovich is no slouch when it comes to choosing movies. Certainly A LOT better than Kingsley in that department.

True, but if these reports are to be believed, he has not even seen the script yet because they're still working on it.

Maybe Raimi gave him the basic lowdown on what they're planning to do.

[Majik1387]

Is Vulturess still in the script?

[NinjaCarm]

Cool, now we can actually get some GOOD aerial fight scenes Raimi? What do you think?

People, people drop the Ben Kingsley s hit please, Malkovich is awesome, the guy has intensity and he's old enough. I don't the Vulture to be that friggin old. Get over Kingsley.

And paaaalease drop the classic costume crap, I would be embarrased as a fan if that original costume was used. Raimi didn't give us classic Green Goblin what makes you think he'll give us ol' feather winged Vulture???

This is the way to go.
http://seizecontrol.marvel.com/resources/images/mapAssets/download_vulture.jpg

[Superhero 101]

I hope the Vulture is similar to the one in Spectacular Spiderman.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Awesome news!!! :up:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Personally I think Ben Kingsley woud have looked more like the character since Malkovich is pretty tall. Overall though, they're both great actors so I'm not disappointed that Malkovich got the role, I'm actually really excited to see what he'll look like in the suit. YEah, no doubt about that. Both are geat actors, and Kingsley may look more like VUtlure, but tbh, it's more about the acting and such. Don't get me wrong though, Malkovich looks like VUlture a bit, and as I said, I'm very happy with the choice.

[spider-neil]

and that's that. probably the spidey villian I like the least (along with venom and carnage) but what's done is done, all we can hope is sam does the character justice.

also I think there should only be one villian, go back to basics, peter and obviously mj are going to hog the screen so there will be no time to develope the villians if there is more than one.

[Oscorp]

Malkovich being tall is definitely no issue for me. Actually, it's better if you ask me. If he's taller than Spidey, he would look even more creepy I think.

[©KAW]

Not fond of The Vulture, but Malkovich is indeed a great actor. I guess Electro would best be fit as the secondary villain then, eh?

I'm curious why Malkovich agreed to do SM4 and not SM1 as the Green Goblin...?

[Hobgoblin]

Hm, kind of disappointed that Kingsley didnt get the role but I have no problem with Malkovich. I do remember John being offered the role of Green Goblin in the first movie and he said "These types of movies arent art, they're business propositions." So either the bug in his butt has died or its a good sounding script. I'm hoping for the latter.

Yes, I was hoping for Lizard but I've always been a Vulture fan. (Yes, I said it.) No he isnt in the same power league as Gobby or Ock or Venom, but he is a smart, mean old SOB. I'm looking forward to this (as long as Ann Hathaway isnt the Vulturess).

[spider-neil]

Hm, kind of disappointed that Kingsley didnt get the role but I have no problem with Malkovich. I do remember John being offered the role of Green Goblin in the first movie and he said "These types of movies arent art, they're business propositions." So either the bug in his butt has died or its a good sounding script. I'm hoping for the latter.

Yes, I was hoping for Lizard but I've always been a Vulture fan. (Yes, I said it.) No he isnt in the same power league as Gobby or Ock or Venom, but he is a smart, mean old SOB. I'm looking forward to this (as long as Ann Hathaway isnt the Vulturess).

I need something to do with the lizard, ANYTHING even if its him drinking serum in the closing credits

[Nathan]

I think Malkovich has simply noticed how big comic book movies have become, with capable actors and directors and good stories.

I need something to do with the lizard, ANYTHING even if its him drinking serum in the closing credits

If he doesn't even get a setup in this movie, heads are gonna roll. :argh:

[Oscorp]

Hopefullly, as you said, he's read/heard about what the script and film will be like, and his role, and thought (even though he, at least previously, disliked comic book movies) that it was really good and took the job. Or else, he does it to be seen by a large audience. I hope, and think, it's the first.

Also, it seems Vulturess won't be in this one. Raimi seems to hate the idea, and Hathaway won't be in it as it now seems too. I hope the new script by Sargent will be great and maybe even better than the first two. I've got a good feeling about this now. I hope that good feeling stays after the movie is done too.

[Hobgoblin]

I need something to do with the lizard, ANYTHING even if its him drinking serum in the closing credits

Are they still writing the script for SM5? If they are, than 4 and 5 may be linked somehow. You may get your wish.

[Pac-Master]

For everyone complaining about the Vulture, atleast he's better than this guy:
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4303/walrus2.jpg

[spider-neil]

seriously, if dylan doesn't experiment with lizard dna, or drink some kind of serum or do ANYTHING connected to the lizard there is zero point in bringing him back for this movie.

[Dark_Lord]

I'm fine with Vulture. Obviously I would have prefered the Lizard, but still. I just hope it's not just the Vulture. I'd like to see Electro as a second villain. Hopefully the delay won't be long and we'll get some official news soon.

[Hobgoblin]

For everyone complaining about the Vulture, atleast he's better than this guy:
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4303/walrus2.jpg

Exactly. Thank you.

I think Malkovich has simply noticed how big comic book movies have become, with capable actors and directors and good stories.

Thats what I'm hoping. In his defense, after looking at some of the comic films that came out before SM1, I cant blame him for thinking they are crap. *cough*BatmanandRobin*cough* Hopefully his standards are still high.

[spider-neil]

round 1

sam 1 - sony 0

[Nathan]

I don't know, he'd be hilarious for the opening.

Spider-Man: "And who are you supposed to be?"

Walrus: "I'm the mighty Walrus!"

Spider-Man: "Riiight...."

*thwips to a lamppost*

[Majik1387]

Also, it seems Vulturess won't be in this one. Raimi seems to hate the idea, and Hathaway won't be in it as it now seems too. I hope the new script by Sargent will be great and maybe even better than the first two. I've got a good feeling about this now. I hope that good feeling stays after the movie is done too.
Thank you.

And why won't Hathaway be in it now?

[Spidey_62]

Great news! While I'd have preferred to have Lizard as the main villain, John Malkovitch is an excellent actor. I hope they can give him some better material to shine with than what some of the other rumors were hinting at.

Now, Raimi wants to do the character. He had a great vision for him in SM3. Unlike Venom, he's a fan of and has motivation towards the character; and I've got faith he'll make it work so far.

[The Joker]

For everyone complaining about the Vulture, atleast he's better than this guy:
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/4303/walrus2.jpg

Don't break out the champagne just yet. We might still get Vulturess :awesome:

[Hobgoblin]

Right. I'm fine with Hathaway, just not as Vulturess.

[Chewy]

This in no way discounts the reports of delays. Finke's report even mentioned the fact that Malkovich was on board and was likely to remain so. And Malkovich himself confirms the delay in this interview.

[webhead731]

I think this will work! I do like Vulture.

Hope the Vultress crap gets confirmed fake though.

[Nathan]

I think this will work! I do like Vulture.

Hope the Vultress crap gets confirmed fake though.

How long does it usually take for fake news to be debunked by the studios?

[webhead731]

Ummm...how many "fake" things were never debunked for Spider-Man 3? :rolleyes:

[SpideyTheBest]

Lizard or Electro! I don't think Vulture can work all by himself. But who knows?

NO VULTURESS! :nono:

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think there should only be one villian I think that's what Sam wants for this film.

[webhead731]

I think you guys should give Vulture a chance. Sam made Ock and Sandman more updated than their comic counterparts, it's not like he cut and pasted them on screen. Costumes, story, personality, etc.

I say wait for a trailer or photo atleast.

I have faith in you Sam! xD

[Pac-Master]

Don't break out the champagne just yet. We might still get Vulturess :awesome:

Good point.

[Oscorp]

The more I think of it actually, the more I think Vulture could handle it alone.

[VenomVsSpidey]

seriously, if dylan doesn't experiment with lizard dna, or drink some kind of serum or do ANYTHING connected to the lizard there is zero point in bringing him back for this movie.

You know, I'm really starting to wonder if you want the lizard or not :o

[Aesop Rocks]

Hahahahaha, I wonder how many Spider-Man fanboys are pissed?

Personally I think Vulture should have been in Spider-Man 3, along side Venom, to take the place of sandman.

[Doctor Jones]

He could. Especially someone like Malkovich playing him. I don't think Sam even likes that Vultress idea. I read the Sam hated the idea of the Goblin having women version of him following him around. It sounds just like that.

If so I'm glad they're going back to one villain. SM3 feels like an over sweat meal that got in the way so you couldn't taste its quality. Hopefully SM4 is that appropriate amount of whatever it serves.

[spider-neil]

You know, I'm really starting to wonder if you want the lizard or not :o

well I'm tired of dylan turning up as a 'nod' to the fans.

[Nathan]

I think you guys should give Vulture a chance. Sam made Ock and Sandman more updated than their comic counterparts, it's not like he cut and pasted them on screen. Costumes, story, personality, etc.

I say wait for a trailer or photo atleast.

I have faith in you Sam! xD

Doc Ock has always been one of Spidey's most deadly enemies and Sandman was guaranteed to be a visually amazing character, but I'm not exactly fond of the changes. Doc Ock being partially controlled by his tentacles and Sandman being just an unlucky guy. Personally, I think he screwed Sandman totally up. Making him Uncle Ben's murderer and a guy who wants to take care of his daughter. And at the end, he just went away. So what does he do now? What happens to his freaking character?

[Oscorp]

Also, it seems Raimi hated the Vulturess idea. Sony is the part pushing for a new romantic sub-plot and wants Black Cat, while Raimi didn't and just wanted the Vulture. Then the writer(s) tried to merge the characters together and came up with Vulturess. Though, Raimi hated it and now Sargent is writing a totally new script. Seems like Raimi is getting what he wants, which I'm extremely happy about right now.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by webhead731 http://www.superherohype.com/drakon/skins/shhclassic/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17926902#post17926902)
I think you guys should give Vulture a chance. Sam made Ock and Sandman more updated than their comic counterparts, it's not like he cut and pasted them on screen. Costumes, story, personality, etc.

I say wait for a trailer or photo atleast.

I have faith in you Sam! xD
Well said, my friend. I NEVER looked at VUlture as being someone who wouldn't work well in a S-M film. He just seems like he's the type of VIllian Sam would make incredible and I believe he will. Not that he already isn't great.

[Aesop Rocks]

So no Carnage? I wonder why...Maybe Sony is just terrifyed of R Rated Spider-Man film so they wen't with vulture.

[webhead731]

Doc Ock has always been one of Spidey's most deadly enemies and Sandman was guaranteed to be a visually amazing character, but I'm not exactly fond of the changes. Doc Ock being partially controlled by his tentacles and Sandman being just an unlucky guy. Personally, I think he screwed Sandman totally up. Making him Uncle Ben's murderer and a guy who wants to take care of his daughter. And at the end, he just went away. So what does he do now? What happens to his freaking character?

Sandman being a sympathetic villain is so much better than the diploma wanting villain from the 1960's. He is a really uninteresting character to me, who didn't have a right to be in a movie unless he was taken up a few notches, which he was.

The only reason why I like comic Sandman so much is because of what he can do. That, is badass. I love him visually, not character wise.

Connecting him to Uncle Ben's death wasn't all necessary, but it worked out in the end. All it does is make a third person responsible. The forgiveness message really worked. In the novel, he finds his daughter is uncureable. He may spend his last few months/years with her, then maybe turn himself in. I don't know.

[Oscorp]

Sony doesn't even want Vulture. And Carnage sucks.

[VenomVsSpidey]

away. So what does he do now? What happens to his freaking character?

ahem...http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17920191&postcount=700

[Spider-ManHero12]

So no Carnage? I wonder why...Maybe Sony is just terrifyed of R Rated Spider-Man film so they wen't with vulture. Meh, I'm actually very happy Carnage wasn't chosen. First off, as you said, he'd's too violent ot be in a S-M film, and second, he'll most likely be in the Venom spin-off, which is likely where he can show his true violent nature,

[webhead731]

You know how stupid it would have been if Spidey just...arrested him or webbed him up etc?

I'm sure fans would whine if that happened too. :D

[webhead731]

Meh, I'm actually very happy Carnage wasn't chosen. First off, as you said, he'd's too violent ot be in a S-M film, and second, he'll most likely be in the Venom spin-off, which is likely where he can show his true violent nature,

I'm one of the strange ones here who likes Carnage (before I came to the SHH I never knew he was so hated). As much as I love him, I don't want to see him in a Spider-Man movie because
1. It'd have to be R
2. Carnage without Venom is a no no

Save him for the Venom movie.

[Casius--J]

Well like I and many other have said before, not too sure about the Vulture as the main villain. But I'm willing to give the movie a chance because I wasnt too sure about Sandman either and he turned out "ok".

Ideally a secondary villain would be cool, I like the idea of having hammerhead/mobsters as that would seem more natural than to just have another superpowered baddie.

[Venom 1988]

I'm all for this news. Hopefully the studio will keep there mouth's shut and back down with their "Vultress" crap. I do hope there is a secondary villain of sorts though...

[webhead731]

Agreed Casius. ^

Have a big mob thing going on too.

[VenomVsSpidey]

I'm one of the strange ones here who likes Carnage (before I came to the SHH I never knew he was so hated). As much as I love him, I don't want to see him in a Spider-Man movie because
1. It'd have to be R
2. Carnage without Venom is a no no

Save him for the Venom movie.

Same here, but also :

the movie would be over in 15 minutes. :hehe::awesome:

[Nathan]

Connecting him to Uncle Ben's death wasn't all necessary, but it worked out in the end. All it does is make a third person responsible. The forgiveness message really worked. In the novel, he finds his daughter is uncureable. He may spend his last few months/years with her, then maybe turn himself in. I don't know.

I prefer the simple Flint Marko, who just wants the money and works as muscle for other crimelords. Now he's the guy with amazing powers, that'll probably get locked away forever and he isn't going to resist at all because his daughter died. And thus ends his chapter.

[Spiderine]

Totally cool with Vulture and a secondary villain that compliments the story. I agree with the general consensus, no to this Vulturess mess. Bad idea and no need to make up villains, especially one based on an existing villain.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by webhead731 http://www.superherohype.com/drakon/skins/shhclassic/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17927015#post17927015)
I'm one of the strange ones here who likes Carnage (before I came to the SHH I never knew he was so hated). As much as I love him, I don't want to see him in a Spider-Man movie because
1. It'd have to be R
2. Carnage without Venom is a no no

Save him for the Venom movie.
Oh, dont get me wrong, I think Carnage is really cool, I'm just saying he really shouldn't be in this franchise. :yay:

[NinjaCarm]

Remember the story of a young red headed kid being cast in SM4???

Well, he's supposed to be a young Rick Astley. Rick Astley will then make an appearance as his adult self in a jazz club where Peter, will yet again, dance the night away....:whatever:

http://www.gaj-it.com/wp-content/uploads/iphone-rick-astley.jpg

[VenomVsSpidey]

Awesome!!!!11111

[A&W]

Doesn't matter who draws it. The green Pyjamas simply aren't going to cut it on screen.



And what exactly makes you think that? So far the only character that looked exactly like the comic books was Sandman. And that's because it was a simple shirt and pants. Otherwise none of the characters wore costumes that looked just like the comics.
you forget about Venom and Dock Ock. yeah venom was modernized but it was still true to how he looked in the comic books. they can modernize the classic costume. and Raimi has an affection for the classic baddies. I don't doubt he has an affection for the classic costumes as well.

[QWoods]

Now bring on the Black Cat and I'll be extremely happy, if she does appear I hope her and Vulture have a fight scene similar to the one from the Marvel Knights Spider-Man comic.

I also hope Flash Thompson comes back to kind of take Harry's place.

[Juha]

So no Carnage? I wonder why...

I'm pretty sure Raimi hates Carnage. He doesn't like Venom so it would make sense.

I'm ok with Malkovich playing Toomes. Vulture is one of my least favourite villains but Malkovich was born to play bad guys. Although I find it hard to believe that Vulture would be the only villain. The mob featuring Hammerhead sounds logical but can you have the mob without The Kingpin?

Black Cat could work as the reluctant side-kick/mysterious love interest/secondary villain. Electro was my first choice but I don't want to see him as the secondary villain. I don't think it would be wise to put two high profile villains in the same movie.

[spider-neil]

So, Vulture after all. If there isn't a second villain in it, I'm not gonna bother with it.


you say that but if the trailer is all sorts of awesome you'll be there opening night, front and center :o

[webhead731]

I think Lizard can be in 5. I say give a bit more time to develop Connors, show his family etc., make us care way more.

[Nathan]

you forget about Venom and Dock Ock. yeah venom was modernized but it was still true to how he looked in the comic books. they can modernize the classic costume. and Raimi has an affection for the classic baddies. I don't doubt he has an affection for the classic costumes as well.

How did I forget Venom and Doc Ock? Venom had pretty much only one look in the comics, which isn't comparable at all to ugly green Pyjamas and I still remember people complaining about Doc Ocks Matrix look. Anyway, he wasn't wearing a fancy costume either.

So again, we only have Sandman that looked exactly like his comic counterpart.

[NinjaCarm]

I'm all for this news. Hopefully the studio will keep there mouth's shut and back down with their "Vultress" crap. I do hope there is a secondary villain of sorts though...

Let's get Schocker involved! It could work?
http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_shocker_3.jpg
http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_shocker_1a.jpg

[Spider-ManHero12]

you say that but if the trailer is all sorts of awesome you'll be there opening night, front and center :o Lol, almost everybody who says "I won't see this sutpid movie" almost 100% of the time usually do, lol.

[spider-neil]

let's get schocker involved! It could work?
http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_shocker_3.jpg



'stay back spider-man or i will poke you in the eyes!!!'

[A&W]

I like this actor but I don't think he's right for the vulture. I really like the way he was portrayed in the spider-man 2 game.

[Nathan]

you say that but if the trailer is all sorts of awesome you'll be there opening night, front and center :o

Yeah, keep thinking that. I'm already not looking forward to the Movie with Tobey and Kirsten returning and now we're getting a villain that I absolutely don't care for at all?

The only thing getting me into the theater on opening night, is a visceral fight between Lizard and Spider-Man.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1981/gabrieledellottospideyv.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/gabrieledellottospideyv.jpg/)

[webhead731]

A&W, you mean Spider-Man 1. xD

[spider-neil]

Lol, almost everybody who says "I won't see this sutpid movie" almost 100% of the time usually do, lol.

I'm a spidey fan first an foremost.
if spidey and batman were released same week and the batman trailer was ace and the spidey trailer was rubbish I'D STILL see spidey first.

[Nathan]

Lol, almost everybody who says "I won't see this sutpid movie" almost 100% of the time usually do, lol.

I didn't say I'm never going to see it, but I won't be standing in line to get a ticket either. I can be patient and wait for the DVD to be released.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Yeah, keep thinking that. I'm already not looking forward to the Movie with Tobey and Kirsten returning and now we're getting a villain that I absolutely don't care for at all?

The only thing getting me into the theater on opening night, is a visceral fight between Lizard and Spider-Man.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1981/gabrieledellottospideyv.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/gabrieledellottospideyv.jpg/)

then don't see it. I'm sure Raimi can afford to live without your $8.50

[A&W]

How did I forget Venom and Doc Ock? Venom had pretty much only one look in the comics, which isn't comparable at all to ugly green Pyjamas and I still remember people complaining about Doc Ocks Matrix look. Anyway, he wasn't wearing a fancy costume either.

So again, we only have Sandman that looked exactly like his comic counterpart.
and Venom and Dock Ock as well :) and Spider-Man even though he's not a villain. just based on Raimi's taste's I know he's gunning for something that is inspired by the original look. I'm not suggesting they should make something that looks like some geek dressed up at comic con. just looking at concept art on the internet, statues ect. the right people with the right amount of work can make it look cool as hell.

The armour thing just wont be unique. We have already got Iron Man, Terminator Salvation, Tranformers, and countless movies showing us big metallic costumes or robots clinking together in a fight scene.

[Metamorpho1977]

Anyone else remember when he was almost Green Goblin? And turned it down because it was a "superhero movie"? Like he was too good for it?

[webhead731]

Yeah, keep thinking that. I'm already not looking forward to the Movie with Tobey and Kirsten returning and now we're getting a villain that I absolutely don't care for at all?

The only thing getting me into the theater on opening night, is a visceral fight between Lizard and Spider-Man.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1981/gabrieledellottospideyv.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/gabrieledellottospideyv.jpg/)

So...you'll see it later and just not on opening night?

Well, really it looks like Lizard may not make it here. Everyone at SHH will most likely see Spidey-Man 4, and you can't even discuss because you'll be saying "I wanted Lizard! :("
:p

[Nathan]

then don't see it. I'm sure Raimi can afford to live without your $8.50

No, I really, really hope he can't. :whatever:

[spider-neil]

Yeah, keep thinking that. I'm already not looking forward to the Movie with Tobey and Kirsten returning and now we're getting a villain that I absolutely don't care for at all?

The only thing getting me into the theater on opening night, is a visceral fight between Lizard and Spider-Man.

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1981/gabrieledellottospideyv.jpg (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/gabrieledellottospideyv.jpg/)

I want to see lizard more than anything but if the back to back 5 and 6 has lizard then I'm prepared to wait.

[A&W]

A&W, you mean Spider-Man 1. xD
oh yeah my bad

[spider-neil]

then don't see it. I'm sure Raimi can afford to live without your $8.50

not the right attitude to have, if enough people say the same thing the movie will flop.

[Nathan]

Well, really it looks like Lizard may not make it here. Everyone at SHH will most likely see Spidey-Man 4, and you can't even discuss because you'll be saying "I wanted Lizard! :("
:p

That really hits me... Oh well, I join once the DVD is out.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Nathan, let's be honest, man. I don't think you'll be able to deny the urge to see S-M4, lol. :woot:

[webhead731]

That really hits me... Oh well, I join once the DVD is out.

Take a joke. :awesome:

[Nathan]

Nathan, let's be honest, man. I don't think you'll be able to deny the urge to see S-M4, lol. :woot:

It really annoys me when people think they know others oh so well. I liked the action scenes in the Movies, I liked the villains, but I didn't care for either Peter Parker nor Mary Jane, in fact, both annoy me, and Vulture isn't a villain that excites me in the slightest, possibilities of amazing air battles or not.

So right now there isn't a lot of incentive for me to go watch this. In fact, right now my hype meter pretty much hit rock bottom.

Take a joke. :awesome:

Never! :cmad:

[Spider-Fan83]

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8799/johnmalkovich2006050612.jpg
Malkovich is waiting for his wings, anytime, now, Sony :cwink:

[spider-neil]

It really annoys me when people think they know others oh so well. I liked the action scenes in the Movies, I liked the villains, but I didn't care for either Peter Parker nor Mary Jane, in fact, both annoy me, and Vulture isn't a villain that excites me in the slightest, possibilities of amazing air battles or not.

So right now there isn't a lot of incentive for me to go watch this. In fact, right now my hype meter pretty much hit rock bottom.



Never! :cmad:


that may be a good thing (rock bottom hype meter) I wasn't hyped for BB or TDK and loved the heck out of them.

[webhead731]

I work at a video store...what are some good movies this guy is in that are serious? I've seen him in comedy.

[A&W]

my hype basically just perked up a little. I think SP3 sucked horribly. i'm wondering how this movie will seem dramatic without a personal connection between Peter and the villain and I'm wondering how it wont feel extremely repetitive and old if the villain actually does have a connection to Peter.

I'm also wondering what will be suspenseful about the final battle if Mary Jane isn't in it, and I'm also wondering how it wont be like "oh man again" if she is actually in the final battle.

I think spider-man 3 hurt this franchise immensely in the long run. But the vulture has brought back just a little bit of excitement for this movie. However I'm not anticipating a 4 star movie by any means.

[Hobgoblin]

that may be a good thing (rock bottom hype meter) I wasn't hyped for BB or TDK and loved the heck out of them.

That, and sometimes our fanboy hopes and dreams are astronomical. Being level headed can be a good thing.

[VenomVsSpidey]

I work at a video store...what are some good movies this guy is in that are serious? I've seen him in comedy.

of mice and men

[Venom 1988]

The mob featuring Hammerhead sounds logical but can you have the mob without The Kingpin? Spectacular Spider-Man would like to have a word with you :hyper:

[Juha]

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8799/johnmalkovich2006050612.jpg

lol he's practicing his Vulture stance! John and Sam are going to make this thing work. No doubt about that.

[A&W]

I work at a video store...what are some good movies this guy is in that are serious? I've seen him in comedy.he was in some movie with clint Eastwood where he's trying to kill the president. He was regular occuring character who was a serial murderer in Star Trek Voyager.

He played a reverend in the Changeling or Changing with Angelina Jolie! EXCELLENT movie based on a true story.

He very often plays crazy phychos. He's kind of creepy.

edit... man the hype is going slow. takes five minutes just to edit a typo for one post.

[spider-neil]

I work at a video store...what are some good movies this guy is in that are serious? I've seen him in comedy.


being john malkovich

great movie and usually I hate those types of movies so that is saying a lot

[Nathan]

Spectacular Spider-Man would like to have a word with you :hyper:

Now if he had something like that. The mob, plus super powered Enforcers like in Spectacular Spider-Man, then I'd already be a lot more interested.

[Juha]

Spectacular Spider-Man would like to have a word with you :hyper:

Yeah that show is awesome. Especially the 1st season. But I don't think that albino Tombstone with razor teeth would work on the big screen...

[Hobgoblin]

he was in some movie with clint Eastwood where he's trying to kill the president. He was regular occuring character who was a serial murderer in Star Trek Voyager.

He played a reverend in the Changeling or Changing with Angelina Jolie! EXCELLENT movie based on a true story.

He very often plays crazy phychos. He's kind of creepy.

edit... man the hype is going slow. takes five minutes just to edit a typo for one post.

The Clint Eastwood movie was In the Line of Fire. Malkovich was excellent in it.

[DarthDaveBanner]

I work at a video store...what are some good movies this guy is in that are serious? I've seen him in comedy.

In the Line of Fire. One of the best movie psycho's I've ever seen. He got an Oscar nom for it too.

[A&W]

yeah he is definitely a very good actor.

[spider-neil]

here's hoping they look at terry dobson's vulture because that was pretty cool looking

[A&W]

I'd like to see it

[Juha]

Malkovich is one of the best actors when it comes to playing bad guys. I hope everyone knows this by now.
There's always a possibility that SM4 will fail as miserably as SM3. But make no mistake, Malkovich will deliver.

[Hobgoblin]

I'd like to see it

http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq188/mrdamntn/Spiderfan%20images/vulture21.jpg

[A&W]

vyeah it looks pretty cool

[Juha]

http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq188/mrdamntn/Spiderfan%20images/vulture21.jpg

It's time to get excited!
This suit would make sense because there has been enough flying green villains in Spider-man movies already.

[spider-neil]

http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq188/mrdamntn/Spiderfan%20images/vulture21.jpg

* blades for wings
* feathers that shoot out like knives
* talons on feet allowing him to grip surfaces or people

[zeptron]

I'm curious about what happened with Ben Kingsley.

Anyway it's gonna take more than just Vulture to get me hyped up for this. I struggle to see how he can carry a movie on his own. After GG and Doc Ock, Spidey needs more of a challenge.

[Hobgoblin]

It's time to get excited!
This suit would make sense because there has been enough flying green villains in Spider-man movies already.

Well, really only one but I agree. Who has ever heard of a green vulture? Black and red looks better and actually, you know, makes sense.

* blades for wings
* feathers that shoot out like knives
* talons on feet allowing him to grip surfaces or people

A combination of the Web of Shadows and the Spectacular Spider-Man version. I like it.

[spider-neil]

I'm curious about what happened with Ben Kingsley.

Anyway it's gonna take more than just Vulture to get me hyped up for this. I struggle to see how he can carry a movie on his own. After GG and Doc Ock, Spidey needs more of a challenge.

maybe the challenge will be presented to peter in a mental capacity, goodness knows no spidey villian has done that as yet. you wouldn't know peter was a genius from the movies.

[Hobgoblin]

maybe the challenge will be presented to peter in a mental capacity, goodness knows no spidey villian has done that as yet. you wouldn't know peter was a genius from the movies.

I expected Ock to be Peter's intellectual challenge in SM2. He never really used his scientific knowledge. Vulture was always an intellectual character more than a physical threat, anyway.

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8799/johnmalkovich2006050612.jpg
Malkovich is waiting for his wings, anytime, now, Sony :cwink: Oh, no dobut about that. :word:

[night0205]

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY VULTURE IS A GOOD VILLAIN, BECAUSE I'M NOT GETTING IT AT ALL. Even in Spectacular Spider-man he was stupid. One of the worst villains. One of the WORST. What makes him worthy to be in this movie?

I love John Malkovich by the way, but I don't get it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq188/mrdamntn/Spiderfan%20images/vulture21.jpg Always liked that look of the VUlture from the Marvel Knights series. However, don't you guys think he'll look like what VUlture was going to look like in S-M3?

[spider-neil]

I expected Ock to be Peter's intellectual challenge in SM2. He never really used his scientific knowledge. Vulture was always an intellectual character more than a physical threat, anyway.


that's what I liked about SSM, peter always used his brains to tke down the bad guy, in all three movies peter pretty much hits the villian until they stay down. not exactly rocket science.

[zeptron]

maybe the challenge will be presented to peter in a mental capacity, goodness knows no spidey villian has done that as yet. you wouldn't know peter was a genius from the movies.

Wouldn't Mysterio be more fit for that?

[Agent 194]

The announcement designates the Vulture as a 'minor villain'. In these movies I think that only depends on the weight of the actor. Malkovich is pretty heavy in my opinion. I think it could be cool.

[Juha]

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY VULTURE IS A GOOD VILLAIN, BECAUSE I'M NOT GETTING IT AT ALL. Even in Spectacular Spider-man he was stupid. One of the worst villains. One of the WORST. What makes him worthy to be in this movie?

I love John Malkovich by the way, but I don't get it.

We all love Malkovich!
But when it comes to Vulture...I guess he's going to be a good villain if the writers give him enough cool things to do. It's as simple as that. I think Vulture is quite lethal and I'm sure he's going to be a worthy opponent in the movie. He can inflict all kind of aerial damage. And Malkovich's psychotic stare alone will be enough to destroy Spidey!

[spider-neil]

Wouldn't Mysterio be more fit for that?


yes, I'd any villian would fit that profile that isn't spidey's equal in power so have to use their brains to make up the difference.

[Juha]

yes, I'd any villian would fit that profile that isn't spidey's equal in power so have to use their brains to make up the difference.

Spidey hasn't been depicted as powerful in the movies as he has been in the comics imo

[spider-neil]

Spidey hasn't been depicted as powerful in the movies as he has been in the comics imo

he stopped a train in SM2

[webhead731]

He also held a tram up in Spider-Man 1 and pulled open a giant pipe in Spider-Man 3.

[Majik1387]

Didn't he also hold up a warehouse wall in SM2?

[Juha]

he stopped a train in SM2

yeah, with his organic webbing. That stuff is so obscure because it has nothing to do with the comics. Nobody really knows what that organic webbing is capable of because it's not based on any kind of source material. But when it comes to physical feats of strenght, I think they've toned it down.

[webhead731]

Dude, if a real person was able to hold on to those he'd be torn in pieces. Spider-Man is a strong ass dude. :rolleyes:

[Venom 1988]

SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY VULTURE IS A GOOD VILLAIN, BECAUSE I'M NOT GETTING IT AT ALL. Even in Spectacular Spider-man he was stupid. One of the worst villains. One of the WORST. What makes him worthy to be in this movie?

I love John Malkovich by the way, but I don't get it.

Because a good villain to you is probably someone like Carnage

[Mrpaul]

I like this. John is a great actor. I have to say that despite of what happened in SM3. I believe Raimi can pull this off. They are doing what is necessary to make a good movie. We just have to be patient.

[Majik1387]

yeah, with his organic webbing. That stuff is so obscure because it has nothing to do with the comics. Nobody really knows what that organic webbing is capable of because it's not based on any kind of source material. But when it comes to physical feats of strenght, I think they've toned it down.
The arms of any normal human being with great strength would have been torn off trying to stop that train, plus all the back injuries one would sustain.

I'll give you super webbing, sure, but he didn't web the train to stop, he held on to them.

[itsleroy]

I wish he had confirmed something regarding Vulturess.. But this is good, I'm looking forward to the Vulture, but I want a second villian.

[storyteller]

Please the number rule of comics is that a character is only as good or bad as written. In one writers hands someone like the mandarin is a Chinese stereotype joke. In another guys hands the dude is pure magic in ink form. In STAS the vulture was awesome because of the story he was introduced in.

[Figs]

Because a good villain to you is probably someone like Carnage

Hahaha

Just like with the complaining about Whiplash in IM2, I hope a lot of these people never try writing because their imagination is seriously lacking.

Just becase a lot of writers never tapped Vulture's potential in the comics doesn't mean the writers for the movie can't.

I've heard a number of comments from people saying how they thought Doc Ock in the comics was always kind of a lame ass villian yet loved how he was executed in a live action film.

I understand people just think of Vulture as some old bald dude flying around but as others have mentioned...the aerial fights in Spider-Man 4 could be incredible. Not to mention, I highly doubt they would keep his costume just like the old school one, they will beef it up a bit.

I guess we'll have to wait for a trailer with some money shots to see how this will turn out in the end.

As for me, I'm all for Malkovich with wings!

[DarthDaveBanner]

Before BTAS Mr. Freeze (or Mr. Zero) was a joke. After one 22 minute episode he became a legend, all due to fantastic writing.

Since Vulture isn't worshipped by fanboys, they won't complain if aspects of his character are changed or adapted in order to create a better villain.

[DarkSovereignty]

This is AWESOME news. I just saw Dangerous Liaisons in my Lit to Film class, and he was such a glorious bastard of a villain as vicomte de valmont lol can't wait for more news.

[Venom'sDad]

I'm happy to see Malkovich has confirm he's in it... glad it's not ole' Ben. Malkovich is a much better cast. I just hope Sam & Co are able to write a mature story... been my wish for a long time now.

As for a possible second villain, I certainly hope it would be the Tinkerer... obviously, supporting Vulture. Not necessarily as a fighter; but, more as a strategist and engineer, supporting Vulture. Shocker fits alone side those two as well, because of the technology.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Didn't he also hold up a warehouse wall in SM2? Indeed, he did. the entire wall.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I hope we'll get The Vulture and another villain. While Kingsley was my first-choice for Vulture, I'm fine with Malkovich. Malkovich can play one smarmy blowhard bastard and if Vulture is treated as an arrogant, smart, former Oscorp employee turned thief then perfect.

I hope we'll still get to see either Black Cat or The Lizard or Mysterio and after seeing "Sherlock Holmes"--- McAdams should be Felicia Hardy/Black Cat. If it indeed came down to Spidey facing off against Black Cat and Vulture, then I'd have a cliffhanger ending with Connors turning into the Lizard. IT'S ABOUT TIME WE SEE IT HAPPEN!

[Frodo]

Before BTAS Mr. Freeze (or Mr. Zero) was a joke. After one 22 minute episode he became a legend, all due to fantastic writing.

Since Vulture isn't worshipped by fanboys, they won't complain if aspects of his character are changed or adapted in order to create a better villain.

Mr Freeze was a legend.....until Batman and Robin ,and now he won't see the light of day in live action again ,at least in the Nolan films.

Plus the issue isn't about fanboys anyway. I doubt the Sony execs who have money riding on the film are fanboys and girls . They're the ones who have the clout and are against the Vulture.

If anything it's a group of fanboys who want the villan on screen because they think a good writer can make the Vulture look good.

[I Am The Bat]

I know we got the source on this, but did we ever get the audio or video from it?

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

Double-post sorry all. :doh:

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

This actually has me anticipating the movie since I'm curious as to how Sam intends to make Vulture a real threat. After The goblins, Ock, Sandy and Venom it'll be interesting to see how the Vulture will pose a challenge to Spider-Man.

[SamuraiSon6]

the aerial battles are going to be amazing!

[terry78]

The one thing the Spider-Man video games got right is the Vulture boss fights. That is something that needs to be realized in the movie.

[night0205]

OK... well you can mock me all you like, but none of you have still told me why Vulture is a good villain? And my Imagination has nothing to do with it. Don't say things you know nothing about.

[terry78]

OK... well you can mock me all you like, but none of you have still told me why Vulture is a good villain? And my Imagination has nothing to do with it. Don't say things you know nothing about.

What makes a good villain to you? Honestly.

[SuperAl]

everytime i think of malkovich i think of his horrible performance in Eragon

[night0205]

Well. A good villain is someone who brings out the worst in the hero. Is threatening. In Spider-man, I would say someone visually stunning, menacing. For a sequel, I would say someone who brings something new to the franchise. And obviously the story that the villain is involved in, and based around, making them a threat to everything spider-man is. Unique, would be a good word for a villain. Which means more then someone who just wants money, or revenge, or all those typical things. And, and don't get me wrong I know nothing about the vulture, which is why i'm asking, I don't see that in the Vulture at all.

[I Am The Bat]

Well. A good villain is someone who brings out the worst in the hero. Is threatening. In Spider-man, I would say someone visually stunning, menacing. For a sequel, I would say someone who brings something new to the franchise. And obviously the story that the villain is involved in, and based around, making them a threat to everything spider-man is. Unique, would be a good word for a villain. Which means more then someone who just wants money, or revenge, or all those typical things. And, and don't get me wrong I know nothing about the vulture, which is why i'm asking, I don't see that in the Vulture at all.

I agree... I really think that this franchise needs a character other than the good guys to show up in each movie (other than Bruce Campbell of course).

Like with Sherlock Holmes... Where they don't USE Moriarty "as a villain

[DarthDaveBanner]

Roger Stern has said that he actually considers Vulture to be Spidey's greatest foe.

[Spidey_62]

Roger Stern has said that he actually considers Vulture to be Spidey's greatest foe.
Wow, didn't know that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Wow, didn't know that. Neither did I! Pretty cool. :spidey::up:

[A&W]

you get a good idea of how damaging spider-man 3 was to this franchise by the amount of activity on the boards. Remember whenever the villains were revealed for spider-man 3? this board was flooded so bad most of got a "page can not be found" response.

now there is like what 12 people?

[I Am The Bat]

Roger Stern has said that he actually considers Vulture to be Spidey's greatest foe.

That is interesting. Whenever I think of the introduction a character within a movie, I tend to think of their introduction in the comics and assume that they'd go with somewhat the same story line (as the motives of villains seldom change, or if they do - it is kind of a re-imaging of the character). If I remember correctly, I thought the vulture was just a very smart "common" crook?

[venom892]

Roger Stern was an awesome scribe and I own a lot of his Amazing run.I missing his Vulture issues but I really want them.Also If you want a fantastic Vulture story read Spectacular Spider-man #186-188.

[Frodo]

Well, i'd have to strongly disagree with Roger Stern . Spiderman's greatest foe is probably either Green Goblin 1 or Doc Ock but Vulture is nowhere near that imo. Even Sandman is more of a threat imo. Vulture is behind Mysterio, Electro , Kraven, Lizard a bunch of others imo. Now if they did take the Sherlock Holmes route and create an interesting villan ala Mark Strong but played by Malkovich , that'd be better then using the Vulture.

[The Joker]

Roger Stern has said that he actually considers Vulture to be Spidey's greatest foe.

Did he say why he thinks that?

[Ceb-Man]

I think Malkovich will play an excellent Vulture. I want a secondary villian though. I want it to be The Lizard. It is time for Doc Conners to become the Lizard.

[night0205]

I just want someone to explain why he's a good villain. The greatest response I got is that he's really evil or something.

[VenomVsSpidey]

you get a good idea of how damaging spider-man 3 was to this franchise by the amount of activity on the boards. Remember whenever the villains were revealed for spider-man 3? this board was flooded so bad most of got a "page can not be found" response.

now there is like what 12 people?

....:doh:

yes, because an eight page thread in less than a whole day means nobody wants to see SM4, and is that damaged by SM3. FAIL.

[The Joker]

I just want someone to explain why he's a good villain. The greatest response I got is that he's really evil or something.

I think he's an acquired taste. Look at the responses so far. Nobody has been jumping for joy that we're getting to see the Vulture. Nobody was champing for the Vulture back in the days when we were speculating who came next as a villain for SM-4.
The saving grace here is that a good actor, John Malkovich, has landed the role. So whatever happens, at least we know there's some kind of solid performance going to be delivered if the script allows for it, of course.

What makes Vulture a good villain? He's never been a favorite of mine. Even in the Sinister Six stories, his battles with Spidey paled in comparison to the ones with Doc Ock, Electro, Sandman, even Mysterio.

The best thing about Toomes, IMO, is his ruthless nature. When he gets pissed off at someone, he never lets up until he's punished them. He's a very clever villain, too. He was an engineer, so he's definitely a cut above Harry, Sandman, and Venom in the brains department.

His aerial battles will probably come off better than the Goblin ones. Especially the SM-1 ones.

[A&W]

well we got a chance for something different here too. no personal connection to Peter. he's not mad scientist turned evil against his will. his fight scenes can look cool. he can be an evil creepy bad guy.

as much as I wanted to see the lizard in one of these movies I thin kit can no longer work. a sympathetic scientist or person turned crazy against his will with a personal connection to peter. We have got to get away from that and the Vulture is our chance.

[night0205]

They will probably get Vulture to marry Aunt May.

[The Joker]

If Raimi wants to, he'll personally connect Toomes to Peter. Every other villain has been so far.

And we'll probably see MJ be kidnapped and carried off by those flapping green wings :oldrazz:

[A&W]

They will probably get Vulture to marry Aunt May.
No wait, Toomes is actually Uncle Ben's real killer! or wait even better he's Peter Parker's father! No wait he's Mary Jane's uncle. No he's Peter's professor and mentor!

[A&W]

If Raimi wants to, he'll personally connect Toomes to Peter. Every other villain has been so far.

And we'll probably see MJ be kidnapped and carried off by those flapping green wings :oldrazz:
NO MORE MARY JANE IN THE FINAL FIGHT SCENE! Let it just be a hostage or a civillain or something. No more Mary Jane in the final battle with Peter's mask ripped off please for the love of god!!!!!!

[Spider-Fan]

While not my 1st choice for villain, I do think he is a solid choice. He fits Raimi's mold of classic villains, and obviously Raimi likes him. I'll take that over someone like a Venom, whom we know he doesn't like. Also the fact Malkovich is playing him helps a lot. We'll definately get a good performace out of him, and that is a big part in making a good villain. Along with the aerial battles, I think Vulture might end up impressing people, since no one seems to love the choice.

[terry78]

I think Toomes will work because he slowly gets ensnared and enamored with the criminal lifestyle and gets in deeper and deeper into the seedy mob world, and he may even get his own henchmen to an extent.

[Mr. Wooden Alligator]

^They could build a relationship with Captain Stacy that way, too. Might as well salvage the Stacy family and make the best of them.

[Deaths Head II]

I always liked the Vulture, so I'm happy with this. Kingsley would have been my perfect pick, but I am perfectly happy with Malkovich. Malkovich is one of my favorite actors, it's just that Kingsley would have nailed the look on top of delivering a great performance. But of course, looks aren't everything. Sandman in S3 looked perfect but I hated his character arc in that film.

I kinda hope there is another villain though. I'm happy with the Vulture but I know he isn't going to make people run to the theaters.

[A&W]

I always liked the Vulture, so I'm happy with this. Kingsley would have been my perfect pick, but I am perfectly happy with Malkovich. Malkovich is one of my favorite actors, it's just that Kingsley would have nailed the look on top of delivering a great performance. But of course, looks aren't everything. Sandman in S3 looked perfect but I hated his character arc in that film.

I kinda hope there is another villain though. I'm happy with the Vulture but I know he isn't going to make people run to the theaters.I really don't think Church is to blame at all though for so many of us not liking Sandman. I really believe it was the way Raimi handled him.

Sandman sucked!

[Deaths Head II]

Yeah, I don't blame Church. In the end it was the writing for the character I really hated and Raimi's approach. I hope the script for S4 is good, since that is the most important thing. Unfortunately Malkovich signed on before he even read the script so I'm still not confident in this film.

[Spider-Vader]

;17926115']So he's in and haven't read a script..?
If you were offered a role in a Spider-Man movie would you turn it down?

I'm fine with this decision. I just hope we have a second villain. *cough*Lizard or Electro*cough*

I thought Rami wanted someone else for Vulture, when he was going to be in Spidey 3? Did something happen with that guy?

[jpmuftak]

Posted these a while back! Never thought he would actually be The Vulture!
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/56/thevulture.jpg
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7402/thevulturered.jpg

[Hobgoblin]

The best thing about Toomes, IMO, is his ruthless nature. When he gets pissed off at someone, he never lets up until he's punished them. He's a very clever villain, too. He was an engineer, so he's definitely a cut above Harry, Sandman, and Venom in the brains department.


This is it. Toomes isnt in Doctor Octopus's or the Green Goblin's power or smarts league but he is no dummy either. I would say he poses a greater threat to New York and Spider-Man than any of the SM3 villains. He has a ruthless, "survival of the fittest" type of mindset, as described in the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man series. He believes it is the right of the strong to prey on the weak.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by [A] http://www.superherohype.com/drakon/skins/shhclassic/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17926115#post17926115)
So he's in and haven't read a script..?
If I remember correctly, Tobey signed onto the first S-M film before he got the script.

[spiderguy252000]

What about the whole, "New York centric" villain? I dont see how Vulture fits that discription. :huh:

[terry78]

He is New York-centric.

[Spidey_62]

If you were offered a role in a Spider-Man movie would you turn it down?

John Malkovich himself was offered the role of Norman Osborn/Green Goblin in SM but turned it down.

I thought Rami wanted someone else for Vulture, when he was going to be in Spidey 3? Did something happen with that guy?That was Sir. Ben Kingsley who almost got the role in SM3.

[VenomVsSpidey]

This is it. Toomes isnt in Doctor Octopus's or the Green Goblin's power or smarts league but he is no dummy either. I would say he poses a greater threat to New York and Spider-Man than any of the SM3 villains. He has a ruthless, "survival of the fittest" type of mindset, as described in the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man series. He believes it is the right of the strong to prey on the weak.

It isn't..my life is a lie..:cmad:

[Spider-ManHero12]

What about the whole, "New York centric" villain? I dont see how Vulture fits that discription. :huh: Huh? How is he not New YOrk centric?

[Spider-Fan]

What about the whole, "New York centric" villain? I dont see how Vulture fits that discription. :huh:

I can justify it. New York is known as an in your face, dog eat dog city. The strong prey on the weak.

[Hobgoblin]

Personally, I thought the "the strong prey on the weak" idea was a little forced. I prefer Toomes to be a struggling older inventor, who finally managed to build his flying harness. The his greedy business partner stole the patent from him. After Toomes steals the prototype, he goes out for revenge.

That was pretty much the original motivation, and the one I prefer. On the other hand, its pretty much Norman Osborn's mentality in SM1.:o

[Mace Dolex]

As always I won't put too much faith in casting rumors until photos of the actors in costume pop up.

[Kargo Warrior]

They chose the lame Vulture??!!?!?!

I'm not seeing this movie!!







Until 2011 that is :woot:

I like the choice mostly because Raimi chose him personally and as a favorite of his it's a given he will get the deserved treatment unlike Venom.

All it's needed for a great villain is a little imagination and creative writing.Look at the difference between Two Face from Forever and Two Face from TDK.It's the same character who has a terrific,very well written ark in TDK and the same character who has an overacted,cheesy,cartonish take in Forever.Good writing makes the difference and hopefully that will be the case with The Vulture.

Venom and Sandman had all the cool factor and potential but we got a pretty bad/average movie...i'd rather have a good Vulture movie than a bad Lizard/Mysterio/insert name one.The fact that Raimi has decided to use him means he has ideas for him and if he gets the freedom to explore them,i can't wait to see the result.

I wouldn't mind another baddie like Electro as villain nr.2 but if it doesn't fit the story,it's not really necessary.

[Spider-Fan]

They chose the lame Vulture??!!?!?!

I'm not seeing this movie!!







Until 2011 that is :woot:

I like the choice mostly because Raimi chose him personally and as a favorite of his it's a given he will get the deserved treatment unlike Venom.

All it's needed for a great villain is a little imagination and creative writing.Look at the difference between Two Face from Forever and Two Face from TDK.It's the same character who has a terrific,very well written ark in TDK and the same character who has an overacted,cheesy,cartonish take in Forever.Good writing makes the difference and hopefully that will be the case with The Vulture.

Venom and Sandman had all the cool factor and potential but we got a pretty bad/average movie...i'd rather have a good Vulture movie than a bad Lizard/Mysterio/insert name one.The fact that Raimi has decided to use him means he has ideas for him and if he gets the freedom to explore them,i can't wait to see the result.

I wouldn't mind another baddie like Electro as villain nr.2 but if it doesn't fit the story,it's not really necessary.

I like you :up:

[craigdbfan]

Good news although this could easily fall apart if Sony comes out victor in this in taking the Vulture out of the film completely.

[Deaths Head II]

I think the Vulture is already set if they got Malkovich. The question is if Sony will attach a second villain that Raimi doesn't want.

[Spider-Fan]

If a 2nd villain is to be introduced in the film, I'm hoping for someone easy to introduce and doesn't require a lot of time. Like Electro. Why go with a Vultress or a Black Cat, whom you will undoubtedly create a dumb love triangle with, when you can instead set up Vulture as your main threat and couple him with someone whom is quick and easy. They need more Electro (or some other type of henchman-esque villain) for a #2 spot if they want to include another villain. Not a time consuming one. The downfall of SM3 was they tried adding a complicated to introduce character in Venom into an already crowded film (the Vulture would have been much simpler to introduce in SM3, as he is less complicated to explain).

If Sony insists on a 2nd villain, they need to learn from their own mistakes and make it simple.

[echostation]

I can so see Raimi with this lame ass Vulture and Vulturess story where they both kick Spider-Man's ass so badly together,

Then Vulturess pulls of Spidey's mask and sees it's Peter, the boy she fell in love with thru out the film but didn't know he was spider-man.

Then Vulturess goes up and fights with daddy Vulture and Spidey eventually comes back only to get his ass kicked again and knocked out (like the pussy they make him out to be in every damn film thus far) and Vulturess ultimately destroys Vulture but falls in the process crashing onto some building floor, Spidey yells out VULTURESS or whatever the hell her real name will be, swing down to her and then effiminately cries his heart out that his loved one is dead.

Mary Jane witnesses all of this on some TV channel or is tied up and sees this all and finally closes her love story with Peter and leaves the franchise

I can so so so see this type of lame ass scenario being right up Raimi's alley and I can bet you something like this will happen.

[TomPiltoff]

I can justify it. New York is known as an in your face, dog eat dog city. The strong prey on the weak.

Don't vultures just hang back and eat you only after you've already died? Yeah, talk about the strong preying on the weak.

[craigdbfan]

Don't vultures just hang back and eat you only after you've already died? Yeah, talk about the strong preying on the weak.

Yes.

In that case he's the perfect villain after the fiasco that was SM3. :rimshot:

[spider-neil]

at leaast with vulture we have one half of the sinester 6.
no doc ock isn't dead.

[Eggyman]

Never a fan of the Vulture. Let's hope it works out.

[louiebling$]

The Second Villian better be Lizard.......

[DarthDaveBanner]

Did he say why he thinks that?

Something like "his old age and craftiness is a perfect opposite to Peter's youth and determination." (I'm paraphrasing)

[night0205]

That does make a bit of sense. Batman's best villain is Joker, because he's his opposite.

[spider-neil]

The Second Villian better be Lizard.......

I'd rather lizard wasn't in this now as there wouldn't be time to develope lizard AND vulture. I'm hoping 5 and 6 is the lizard.

[Spider-Fan83]

as far as themes go, vulture in contras to a spider theme, does kinda fit... birds are one of the spiders natural enemies

I had this theory once, about the theme with his spidey enemies, with birds, lizards, wasps and scorpions, being the top list of the spiders natural enemies, this covers, the Vulture, the lizards, the chameleon, swarm, and or course scorpion, all being spidey best fitting themed villain, given this list of villains theme, it also seemed as if Spiderman had something of a desert theme (if that be the case, them you could probably include sandman, as a element of the desert)

really in terms of opposite or top enemy (in terms of theme) it really should of been, Swarm, I always found it kinda ironic, that the most popular villains, who've become known as his arch enemies, over the year, are the once with the least theme in connection to the spider

though, over the year he's become one of the spidey best villain, I always found, Doc Ock's theme to be rather corny, went you think about it...

the hero is a spider, so, who do you put against a spider? well, spiders have 8 legs, what else has 8 legs, oh, I know an octopus

and what’s the deal with the goblins, what type of theme is that, and what does it have to do with spiders? nothing! yet, they also seem to be, spideys top villains


this has been a spider-fan83, off topic, rant.... we now return back to your regular discussion

[TheFuture]

Good choice for a villain and actor if they compliment him with another good villain. I'd be happy with the Vulture and Electro in 4. They can also, as someone already mentioned, introduce Connor's family and make the audience care for the Doc. Plus, I want to see Toomes holding something over Connors, something that will drive him to desperation and will lead to a cliff hanger end of Connors transforming. Then in 5, you can have Kraven and The Lizard. Easy! :yay:

[spider-neil]

Good choice for a villain and actor if they compliment him with another good villain. I'd be happy with the Vulture and Electro in 4. They can also, as someone already mentioned, introduce Connor's family and make the audience care for the Doc. Plus, I want to see Toomes holding something over Connors, something that will drive him to desperation and will lead to a cliff hanger end of Connors transforming. Then in 5, you can have Kraven and The Lizard. Easy! :yay:


that would be sooo sweet for peter to be invited to conner's home and meet the family. finish the movie with conner's experiements, he doesn't even need to change. for me that would be worth the price of admission alone.

[Reikowolf]

Malkovich is a good choice.

Hoping that Conners will turn into the lizard though.

Also, that the vulture's suit is from him financially acquiring Oscorp (explain the green)

[Jick09]

Regarding the poll...Yes, I'm glad that Malkovich is playing the Vulture. Even though I wanted Kingsley doing that.
But also I didnt want the Vulture, no matter who played him.
I wanted the Lizard, like many others.
And I'm ok that we have the Vulture but I want a second villain.

Kinda hard to vote, but I'm going with the second villain choice, even if it is someone who isn't a physical threat, like Mysterio or Chameleon.

[Reikowolf]

The odds and trends are stacked against Raimi on this one. Peter Jackson is one of the few directors to make a successful trilogy of movies, but a part 4?

Batman and Robin
Superman IV

I really hope he breaks the part 4 curse by making SM4 story driven, I hope the delay is due to him standing his ground against Sony.

[NinjaCarm]

I just want some ass-kicking great looking aerial fight scenes!

http://finecomiccollectibles.com/pics/misc/spiderman%20animation%20vulture.jpg

[Jick09]

I honetly believe that SM4 will be a good movie.
It might turn out even better than SM2, actually.

Vulture can be a creepy dude if done properly, like in the SM1 game.

[Reikowolf]

Someone should manip the original goblin costume from the first Spider-Man movie and add the wings from Spider-Man: WOS with John Malkovich's head

If this is what we see at comicon... this production is doomed.

[spider-neil]

The odds and trends are stacked against Raimi on this one. Peter Jackson is one of the few directors to make a successful trilogy of movies, but a part 4?

Batman and Robin
Superman IV

I really hope he breaks the part 4 curse by making SM4 story driven, I hope the delay is due to him standing his ground against Sony.

I think sam is in a better position with 4 want he was with 3, in that SM2 so good he was probably thinking how he could top it whereas now he be looking at all the flaws of SM3 and thinking he can easily better that movie.

[Reikowolf]

/\ I really hope you're right.

[Iron_Stark]

I think Malkovich is an excellent choice for the Vulture.

I also hope Lizard is in this one or the next one though, I've been waiting for him since the second movie.

[He-Man]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2helvmg.jpg

I think this was the look Raimi wanted to use for Vulture in Spiderman 3 before he got dropped for Venom.

[Reikowolf]

I would say drop the trench coat. That's become iconic with Doc Ock in the movie-verse

[spider-neil]

we know dylan is in this movie and he confirmed he doesn't have a major role but even ten minutes can be well used if they should him experimenting during the movie.

flesh out conners and use the rest of the time to develop vulture. no black cat or worse vultress, the movie doesn't need them.

[CaptainStacy]

Great news! John is an excellent choice! :word:

[spider-neil]

a really good angle for the movie is if conners and toomes know each other. conners helps toomes with his flying tech but also discovers the technology has regenerative properties (which gives the vulture his strength) conners then takes that information and mixes it with lizard dna.

sow the seeds of the lizard without the lizard actually making an appearance.

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2helvmg.jpg

I think this was the look Raimi wanted to use for Vulture in Spiderman 3 before he got dropped for Venom. Very true! As I've said, Who's to say he won't look like that in this one? I mean couldn't he still be a prisoner in this one?

[Reikowolf]

What we know so far

Vulture Confirmed, John Malkovich
Papajohn (The car Jacker) will be returning
Bruce Campbell has a major role
New Female Cast member is being auditioned.

[spider-neil]

What we know so far

Vulture Confirmed, John Malkovich
Papajohn (The car Jacker) will be returning
Bruce Campbell has a major role
New Female Cast member is being auditioned.


dylan baker is confirmed but also he also confirmed it isn't a major part :csad:

[Nathan]

Papajohn (The car Jacker) will be returning

What for I wonder? I thought that chapter is closed? Uncle Ben was murdered, turns out it was Sandman by mistake, Peter has forgiven him, so what purpose is he gonna have?

[Reikowolf]

hmm, depends on definition of major I suppose.

I thought Dr. Connors had a major role to play in SM3. He identified the alien as a symbiote and that it amplifies aggression.

haha, that still makes me laugh, how could he come up with that theory in the first place. Interestingly enough, I kind of picture the scene in ghostbusters II when I think about testing the symbiote, where they put the goo in the toaster

[Reikowolf]

What for I wonder? I thought that chapter is closed? Uncle Ben was murdered, turns out it was Sandman by mistake, Peter has forgiven him, so what purpose is he gonna have?

That is the $2000 question now, isn't it

IMO, I wonder if it might be linked to the Female role, if indeed it is Felicia Hardy, they might pull a Spectacular Spider-Man Animated and make her the carjacker's daughter

[Juha]

Bruce Campbell has a major role

I wonder what this means.

Is the role "major" only when compared to the previous roles(ring announcer, usher, waiter)? You know, instead of one scene, he actually appears on two scenes.

Or is it so "major" that they put his name on the poster?