Sony Rebooting Spider-Man for 2012!!!

[VenomVsSpidey]

Not true; he had NOTHING nice to say about the 70's TV show. When asked what he contributed to the series, he said his only contribution was "complaining about the damn thing all the time".

well....who wouldn't complain about that? and that's the first mean thing I think I've ever heard him say:awesome:

[Chris Wallace]

On the origin/no origin discussion; It's one of the reboot rules-whatever approach was used to introduce the character last time, you do the opposite. Which is why I'm also hoping that the one aspect of Nolan's films that WILL be emulated here is starting off with a previously unseen villain. We saw pumpkin bombs in the LAST movie, so there's no logical reason to come out of the gate with a Goblin story, even if it is a "better' one.

[Chris Wallace]

Yeh I guess. I'm more concerned with change just for the sake of it more than anything.

Which has been the very CORE of my misgivings from minute one.

[Doctor Jones]

They need to have the right changes. In order to get people to realize it's different, change things. But make sure they're good ones.

[Chris Wallace]

They need to have the right changes. In order to get people to realize it's different, change things. But make sure they're good ones.

Therein lies the problem; whether or not the changes will be "good" or "right" is a matter of opinion & it's HIGHLY debatable. This will likely be proven after the film's release, as we all meet back here & have a verbal duel to the death on the matter.

[The Joker]

Which has been the very CORE of my misgivings from minute one.

No reason to be really. I love Spider-Man 1 and 2, but they were not very faithful to the comics. Lots of room for improvement. So there's many other changes they can do in the reboot that can be more faithful to the source.

Raimi barely scratched the surface on what stories that can be adapted from the comics. I don't even think the Goblin story was given proper justice, as Peter suffered no loss at the hands of the Osborns, and there wasn't nearly enough mind games between Peter and Harry, or Norman for that matter. Harry's master revenge plan to break up Peter and MJ was pathetic for so many reasons, and not worthy of a Goblin, IMO.

So basically they can reboot with new villains we haven't seen yet. And then re-introduce old favourites like Ock and Goblin, and give them more loyal treatment to the comics than they got in Raimi's movies.

[Dangerous]

Not true; he had NOTHING nice to say about the 70's TV show. When asked what he contributed to the series, he said his only contribution was "complaining about the damn thing all the time".

True that, and he talks about how the Spider-Man 67' show was crap (aside from the theme music of course) because it was so loosely adapted and the plots so simplified.

He digs the Live action Hulk show tho. :woot:

[shiveringmelody]

My first reaction to hearing this was surprise. Yet the more I think about it, there is some potential in starting over. While I enjoyed Raimi's series, they didn't really hit home to me. While Raimi did alot of great things, I am going to give Sony and Webb a chance. I admit though, I do worry about going into the tween direction or this "gritty" take on Spidey. Yet since it's Spidey, I'm more than likely to see it no matter what.

[GoldGoblin]

The main characters should be in the first reboot movie:

-Peter/spidey
-Aunt May
-Uncle Ben
-Gwen
-Dr.Connors/Lizard
-Mrs.Connors
-Billy Connors
-Captain Stacy

You have Peter in high school,where we see he is really smart.We see him in Dr.Connors class day dreaming about Gwen,who is a fellow student of Dr.Connor's class.Dr.Connors partners Peter up with Gwen for a class project.

This is how the two form a bond.Peter meets Gwen's father Captain Stacy when Peter goes to Gwen's house to work on their project.

We see Dr.Connor's family when Dr.Connors is at his house,where we see Dr.Connors obsession to get his arm back.

In the movie Peter is already spidey taking on regular thugs,muggers,bank robbers,arsonists,break ins,etc,until his first super villain appears,which would be the Lizard.

Uncle Ben scenes would just be flashbacks when Peter stares at a picture of him from a picture frame.

[kedrell]

I'm really not digging the Lizard in the first movie at all. I also never really liked the character much and they basically did his story already in SM2(except there they gave it to Doc Ock).

[The Joker]

I'm really not digging the Lizard in the first movie at all. I also never really liked the character much and they basically did his story already in SM2(except there they gave it to Doc Ock).

They did? Octavius wasn't Peter's friend, he was his scientific idol. Octavius didn't have a family that was put in danger when he became a villain. Everyone knew Octavius was a villain, wheras Connors keeps his transformation a secret. Not to mention the motivations of Ock and Lizard are completely different.

[Deaths Head II]

Plus they could throw in Kraven to mix it up. :awesome:

[kedrell]

They did? Octavius wasn't Peter's friend, he was his scientific idol. Octavius didn't have a family that was put in danger when he became a villain. Everyone knew Octavius was a villain, wheras Connors keeps his transformation a secret. Not to mention the motivations of Ock and Lizard are completely different.

It's still the sympathetic scientist mentor who has an experiment gone wrong and becomes a supervillain against his will and runs amok story. Come to think of it, DaFoe's Goblin was that as well. Time for a change, I say. The only way I can see Lizard working is if you add Kraven as well(who wants to hunt & kill the Lizard) and have a threat triangle going on.

[GoldGoblin]

The Spectacular Spider-Man had a episode that is 20 minutes long,they didn't have Kraven in it and it was incredible.

[Deaths Head II]

I kind of would prefer they don't go the SSM way of doing the Lizard. The show is awesome, but I didn't like that Connors didn't really have a relationship with Peter. Pete idolized Connors but there wasn't any return feelings. In fact Connors most likely thought of Peter as a little punk who cares more about taking pictures and making money then anything else. At least that's what his wife most likely thought of Pete.

Too bad we never got to see Raimi's Lizard. I actually liked how Connors had an interest in Peter in those films.

[kedrell]

The Spectacular Spider-Man had a episode that is 20 minutes long,they didn't have Kraven in it and it was incredible.


Do I really need to point out the huge difference between a 20 minute cartoon and a 2hr movie? Do I really?

[Doctor Jones]

In order for Connors to work there must be some sort of father figure thing going on with Peter and him. A teenage boy who has just lost his uncle and the closest thing he has to a father needs something. In real life it leads to frustrations and wishful fulfillments. When Peter battles the Lizard, he is battling his friend. That's never been done before. I liked the episode in STAS with Spider-Man narrating when he was fighting the Lizard. How they were friends fighting. I'm not saying narrate, but that theme of a father and son or friend like relationsup against eachother, (and in beast form with no humanity no less) will create something compelling and tragic. Peter at first doesn't realize it's Connors. He gets the job at the Bugle because of the sightings and says he can get the Lizard pictures with Spider-Man. It goes fine for him until he discovers it is Connors. And telling Connors family or keeping it a secret or choosing to expose it by the Bugle. It leads to Peter choosing between the money and recognition he has always wanted over a person. That's all appealing to a teen, especially one such as Peter. He wants to do what is best, so now he has to step up and choose. Peter must go on a journey that makes him realize the stakes of becoming a hero. A geeky teenager in high school versus someone older would be a much different perspective. It would be easy for them, but someone at that age, it's not.

That's how I would do it anyway.

[GoldGoblin]

Do I really need to point out the huge difference between a 20 minute cartoon and a 2hr movie? Do I really?

^
Yes :)

[kedrell]

Ok, if(and this is a big IF) they do the Lizard, do you want him intelligent and able to speak or just a monster like in the cartoon? Just a monster, IMO would be kinda dull. Not that the other 616 way wouldn't have it's own problems of seeming silly(possibly). Eh, I guess it's one of the reasons I never really liked the character.

[GoldGoblin]

Ok, if(and this is a big IF) they do the Lizard, do you want him intelligent and able to speak or just a monster like in the cartoon? Just a monster, IMO would be kinda dull. Not that the other 616 way wouldn't have it's own problems of seeming silly(possibly). Eh, I guess it's one of the reasons I never really liked the character.

^
I would prefer if he didn't talk,cause during the fight you would just have cool action with spidey quips.And that would work just fine.

[kedrell]

^
Yes :)

Well given that you used SSM as the reference, we'll use the pure unintelligent monster Lizard as the example. Beyond a few fight scenes, what would this SSM-take offer a 2 hr movie that could possibly fill it? Evil plots? Nope. I don't see anyway a mere monster running around could fill the villainous need a film like this would have. There really would be no opportunity for us to hate the villain and look forward to the hero thwarting him. Now this isn't a problem in a 20 minute cartoon as much since it's more like a single issue of a comic book. Movies aren't that way. I don't see how a single issue could ever possibly fill that much space. That's why most comic book movies use GN's or several issue arcs to pull from. That episode at best could be expanded to fill maybe 1/3 of the film, but that still would leave 2/3 out and in need of serious padding.

[Doctor Jones]

But this is the chance where it can be different and give the audience a clue as to the start of this new franchise.

The Lizard should not talk. Just like the Wolfman doesn't talk. It's about the tragedy, Peter's inner struggle to choose between it, to overcome his friend and choose. It's about the "beast" inside all of us. The Lizard could serve as symbolism to selfishness and wronged science and mistakes, to eventual regret. Peter needs to see this. The consequences of wrong doing.

When Connors transforms back he also struggles with it all as well. Not only can the Lizard serve for those things I mentioned, but he could be damn scary.

It's just something different we need.

[GoldGoblin]

But this is the chance where it can be different and give the audience a clue as to the start of this new franchise.

The Lizard should not talk. Just like the Wolfman doesn't talk. It's about the tragedy, Peter's inner struggle to choose between it, to overcome his friend and choose. It's about the "beast" inside all of us. The Lizard could serve as symbolism to selfishness and wronged science and mistakes, to eventual regret. Peter needs to see this. The consequences of wrong doing.

When Connors transforms back he also struggles with it all as well. Not only can the Lizard serve for those things I mentioned, but he could be damn scary.

It's just something different we need.

^
Exactly,look at the Wolfman movie coming out and that movie is like 2 in a half hours long.

[©KAW]

No talking Lizard. A vicious killing machine made of scales, teeth and claws. I want Curt Connors to be sickened by what he has done as The Lizard. There are ways to make The Lizard intelligent without him being able to speak (watch the original "Predator" or "Alien/Aliens" Movies). But unfortunately, Sony will probably want to make a taking toy out of him for the kiddies, and once again, ruin the chance to finally give Spider-Man an immensely deadly and scary villain.

If They Must Make Him Speak:

The Lizard lungs should sound like they're filled with flim as he breaths in and out. There should be a slight echo in his voice mixed with a subtle weaseling sound. His snarl should come from his gut, and when he speaks it should sound as if it hurts to try and form words. All of this should be done simultaneously. Even something as simple as saying "SSSssPider-Mannnn..." should be a struggle for him and sound like oral torture.

Think if you will what "The Predator" said to Arnold..."What The Hell Are You?" But you have to be incredibly skilled to pull it off, and make it actually look and sound natural, and not cheesy. The most I would allow The Lizard to speak is...one full sentence and only two words/names, tops. Anything more than that, and you're heading into Puff The Magic Dragon territory.

[Deaths Head II]

They should have the Lizard talk for one scene and have it be a big deal like they did with the Hulk in both his films. I don't want to see the Lizard giving big monologues.

[Doctor Jones]

No talking Lizard at all.

[Chris Wallace]

Undecided on Lizard's personality. EIther could work.

[©KAW]

No talking Lizard at all.But what about Sony/Marvel wanting a cute talking LIZARD plush toy (who says phrases from the movie). Good luck with trying to stop that from happening.

All of a sudden I feel queasy...:(

[Mace Dolex]

But what about Sony/Marvel wanting a cute talking LIZARD plush toy (who says phrases from the movie). Good luck with trying to stop that from happening.

All of a sudden I feel queasy...:(
Well there are those retarded Mighty Mugg dolls that serve no purpose but to throw it at someone.

[Ipodman]

Well there are those retarded Mighty Mugg dolls that serve no purpose but to throw it at someone.

i actually thought it was a mug when i bought it... but it served no purpose in the end...:cmad:

[kedrell]

^
Exactly,look at the Wolfman movie coming out and that movie is like 2 in a half hours long.

Big difference being that the guy who is the wolfman isn't the wolfman all the time(that'd get boring). He transforms back & forth. Does the Lizard do that or would he stay the Lizard from the time he first transforms until Spidey is able to cure him(or kill him)? From what I know about the Lizard, it's the latter(but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong). Having an unintelligent moster run around for 2+ hrs just won't work and isn't really a proper villain at all. It's more of an unfortunate circumstance that must be overcome-type scenario then. Which is why I said this would only work if you add someone like Kraven into the mix to add the villainous dimension to it.

[Oscorp]

I think Lizard should say a few words, but no full sentences or anything like that. It would show that there is still SOME humanity left in the beast. But as KAW said, he should struggle to say those words. And you should barely be able to hear what he says.

[Oscorp]

No reason to be really. I love Spider-Man 1 and 2, but they were not very faithful to the comics. Lots of room for improvement. So there's many other changes they can do in the reboot that can be more faithful to the source.

Raimi barely scratched the surface on what stories that can be adapted from the comics. I don't even think the Goblin story was given proper justice, as Peter suffered no loss at the hands of the Osborns, and there wasn't nearly enough mind games between Peter and Harry, or Norman for that matter. Harry's master revenge plan to break up Peter and MJ was pathetic for so many reasons, and not worthy of a Goblin, IMO.

So basically they can reboot with new villains we haven't seen yet. And then re-introduce old favourites like Ock and Goblin, and give them more loyal treatment to the comics than they got in Raimi's movies.

Everything you say is like words of truth to me, it's almost impossible for me to find posts of yours that I disagree with. Great post! :up:

[El Payaso]

well....who wouldn't complain about that?

Me.

[Eggyman]

Me.

I agree. I loved that show. It did the best it could with what it had at a time when there wasn't much Spidey on the TV. Beggars can't be choosers and I'll always have love for that show.

[Spider-ManHero12]

What really annoys me about this whole thing is that the reboot was a business decision. It wasn't done in the name of art, or for the sake of making a better movie. It's not like Raimi had failed them. They made this move for one reason & one reason only-to ride on "The Dark Knight"'s coat-tails in hopes of pulling similar numbers. This is quite true. :up:

[Spider-ManHero12]

well....who wouldn't complain about that? and that's the first mean thing I think I've ever heard him say:awesome: Yeah, lol. It was a bad show, seriously.

[terry78]

I prefer the Lizard talk some at first, but slowly regresses into the animalistic nature.

[Eggyman]

Yeah, lol. It was a bad show, seriously.

You've been spoiled though. When I was a kid there wasn't any Spidey on TV apart from that show. You appreciate what you can get.

[Spider-ManHero12]

You've been spoiled though. When I was a kid there wasn't any Spidey on TV apart from that show. You appreciate what you can get. True.

[VenomVsSpidey]

wasn't there an animated series in the 60s'?

[3dman27]

yesbut thats been released on dvd i own a copy

[kedrell]

The 60's cartoon was much better than the 70's TV show, as I recall.

[Spider-ManHero12]

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[Spider-ManHero12]

The 60's cartoon was much better than the 70's TV show, as I recall. Yeah, defenitely. Much more enjoyable. I own the DVD set.

[Mrpaul]

I own the DVD set as well, I wonder if they'll sell the 90's set

[Chris Wallace]

The 60's cartoon was much better than the 70's TV show, as I recall.

What WASN'T?
I think the Lizard should talk at least a little. We need to separate him from Godzilla's babies or the Raptors of Jurassic Park.

[Eggyman]

Good news, folks.

I watched (500) Days of Summer last night, and although I wasn't blown away by the story, I have to say that the quirky directing was brilliant. I'm a bit more enthused about this reboot now. There's several scenes of loved-up turmoil that are handled excellently - not a bit heavy handed. There's even a dance number that's actually funny ... I didn't cringe once. The performances were great. It was only really the story that turned me off slightly, but it was enjoyable and like I say, the direction was great and all the way through I was thinking, yes, this style would work for Spidey.

[Batspider77]

I own the DVD set as well, I wonder if they'll sell the 90's set


It´s out already

http://www.amazon.de/Spider-Man-Staffel-1-David-Leon/dp/B002AA0T7M/ref=pd_cp_d_1

[3dman27]

Ithink marpaul means released in the usa

[Spider-ManHero12]

I own the DVD set as well, I wonder if they'll sell the 90's set Well, supposedly, the DVD set was supposed to be released next year with S-M4, but i don't know if that's going to happen now.

[terry78]

Good news, folks.

I watched (500) Days of Summer last night, and although I wasn't blown away by the story, I have to say that the quirky directing was brilliant. I'm a bit more enthused about this reboot now. There's several scenes of loved-up turmoil that are handled excellently - not a bit heavy handed. There's even a dance number that's actually funny ... I didn't cringe once. The performances were great. It was only really the story that turned me off slightly, but it was enjoyable and like I say, the direction was great and all the way through I was thinking, yes, this style would work for Spidey.

It wouldn't have been official had Dr. Eggman not given the seal of approval. :awesome:

[3dman27]

Ok, if(and this is a big IF) they do the Lizard, do you want him intelligent and able to speak or just a monster like in the cartoon? Just a monster, IMO would be kinda dull. Not that the other 616 way wouldn't have it's own problems of seeming silly(possibly). Eh, I guess it's one of the reasons I never really liked the character.

in the movie black mask city of masks there was a a pro wrestler character who as part of his deal was injected with reptle DNA [ANOLOGOUS TO STEROIDS]that gave him attributes in keeping with his ring persona" iguana"
inthe story the DNA drove him beserk and turned him into a reptlian mutation whofirst assaulted a fellow wrestler created a riot among the wrestling events audience and attacked the other wrestlers preteen son causing black mask who was a spectator to go into action to save the boy
my point hereis if a lizard type charactercan be used in a black mask movie a spider-man fil can use the REAL lizard


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[Doctor Jones]

Maybe he can talk a little. But not in full setences. Just some words. There could be some humanity you can reach, Peter can see that, so it is possible to reach. He can say small words or maybe his son or wife's name, but don't make it corny.

[Infinity9999x]

Maybe he can talk a little. But not in full setences. Just some words. There could be some humanity you can reach, Peter can see that, so it is possible to reach. He can say small words or maybe his son or wife's name, but don't make it corny.

Like the 90's series basically.

[Chris Wallace]

He gave full-blown speeches in the 90's series.

[terry78]

I said just have him slowly degenerate over the course of the movie. At first, his Lizard form is coherent, and he does act somewhat intelligent, but he slowly starts to give in to instinct, and kill people.

[Doctor Jones]

I'd like to see it struggle in some ways. Maybe we can see it try to have skills like stand up or hold something or put somethign together in the sewers. I would want it to be a scary yet tragic thing. Kind of like the creature from the black lagoon.

[Chris Wallace]

That could work.

[zeptron]

I would prefer if Lizard didn't talk, but if they must instead of doing a stupid "turning everyone into lizard people" storyline, they could have him use his intelligence to try to rid himself completely of Connors. Kind of like a reverse Bruce Banner.

[Vile]

I'm all for savage lizard, myself. Torment style.

[Artistsean]

Not that I want them to do another origin but,
How would they remake the origin, keeping it new and interesting while still staying true to the comic?
One idea I was thinking they could include is something like, instead of Spider-man wrestling maybe (he still could test himself in the ring) but maybe he goes on something like The Late Show with David Letterman or something. I would have said Conan O'Brien but I guess not anymore.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/MYTHSM001011p2b.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/MYTHSM001011p4b.jpg

As for the Spider that bites him, hmm. Maybe go with the super soldier serum spider someone mentioned and show it get squashed or die right after it bit Peter.

Anyone else have ideas on how to keep the origin new and fresh?

[chaseter]

You honestly wanted to see Spider-Man show off his powers on the Late Night Show with the masturbating bear in the back?

Going onto a late night talk show would be stupid...especially if it involves Leno, Letterman or any of the current hosts. If it were an actor and a fake show, then maybe.

[3dman27]

yes using a fictitous show andhost would avoid dating the movie

[finalrelief]

Why back to highschool? blah. If it were me, or anyone half way sane...I would think they would reboot spider-man with just placing Peter Parker in the present, don't acknowledge nor deny the previous plots from previous movies. Just new cast/crew/style. Why oh why highschool?

[spider-neil]

I defiantely side on the talking lizard. he should be reasonably intelligent at first but get worse as the movie progresses until he is totally animalistic at the end.

[Ace of Knaves]

Why back to highschool? blah. If it were me, or anyone half way sane...I would think they would reboot spider-man with just placing Peter Parker in the present, don't acknowledge nor deny the previous plots from previous movies. Just new cast/crew/style. Why oh why highschool?

Why not? He started out in high school and had some great stories when he was there.

It'll be like a superhero coming of age tale. And after 500 days of summer, I think it'll be pretty cool and not descend into cheesy melodrama.

[Chris Wallace]

Not that I want them to do another origin but,
How would they remake the origin, keeping it new and interesting while still staying true to the comic?
One idea I was thinking they could include is something like, instead of Spider-man wrestling maybe (he still could test himself in the ring) but maybe he goes on something like The Late Show with David Letterman or something. I would have said Conan O'Brien but I guess not anymore.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/MYTHSM001011p2b.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/MYTHSM001011p4b.jpg

As for the Spider that bites him, hmm. Maybe go with the super soldier serum spider someone mentioned and show it get squashed or die right after it bit Peter.

Anyone else have ideas on how to keep the origin new and fresh?

Why are so many people in favor of outboard webshooters?

[Reikowolf]

weren't they external in his first appearance?

[Alex The Great]

Not that I want them to do another origin but,
How would they remake the origin, keeping it new and interesting while still staying true to the comic?
One idea I was thinking they could include is something like, instead of Spider-man wrestling maybe (he still could test himself in the ring) but maybe he goes on something like The Late Show with David Letterman or something. I would have said Conan O'Brien but I guess not anymore.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/MYTHSM001011p2b.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/MYTHSM001011p4b.jpg

As for the Spider that bites him, hmm. Maybe go with the super soldier serum spider someone mentioned and show it get squashed or die right after it bit Peter.

Anyone else have ideas on how to keep the origin new and fresh?
I want this, now. Comedy Gold!

[QUOTE=chaseter;18011910]You honestly wanted to see Spider-Man show off his powers on the Late Night Show with the masturbating bear in the back?
QUOTE]
Yes! :cmad: Imagine seeing Labomba eyeing Spider-Man in his tights, or Conan yelling at Spider-Man to take off the mask off set. It would be awesome. And great for Conan (But I won't bring that up here :awesome:)


Oh and also, Marc Webb is directing this? :eek: *falls off chair*

I don't know what to say, any noteable movies he's done that me, a teenanger would know of?

[katie_girl09]

This is just silly. It is way too early to come out with a new Spider-Man franchise. The old one is still fresh in everybody's minds.

[Artistsean]

I wasn't saying I was in favor of the webshooters on the outside of his costume, I was only showing the picture from Spider-Man Mythos.

In the comics Peter, to make some money, started showing off his powers on talk shows and variety shows. Shows like the Tonight Show. He gets paid, but he can't tell anyone who he is so the check is made out to Spider-Man, and then he can't cash it at the bank. So he can't get paid.
At the time Mythos was made Conan was hosting his own show. But now he isn't even hosting the tonight show.
Conan O'Brian seems like a natural fit for Spider-man, thats all I will say about that.
And Leno, maybe even Letterman, has, have, made several cameos as himself on movies. Jay leno playing Jay Leno on the tonigtht show in some movie cameo.
So, maybe to keep the origin new and fresh maybe Peter gets booked on Letterman (because he seems like a better fit to me than Leno).
It might date it, but several things in the movie could do that too, cell phones, technology shown, pop culture references.

In the early comics Peter tried many times to use Spider-Man as a way to get money and fame, but eventually was pulled into being a superhero adventurer. This could help keep the origin new, showing Peter try to get money with his powers on a talk show.

[GoldGoblin]

If there following ultimate,then would Rhino be a guy in a vehicle.

[Artistsean]

I think what they are using the Ultimate Comics for is more for the emphasis on the teenage angst. Having it be more about Peter, Gwen, MJ, Harry, and their relationships.
And less about how they portrayed the characters looks, powers, origins, and such.

[Doctor Jones]

The last thing I want is this to be a teenage angsty soap opera. But I have faith in Marc.

[NewYorkSpider]

The last thing I want is this to be a teenage angsty soap opera. But I have faith in Marc.


I remember they wanted for there to be a love triangle between Peter/MJ/Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2. I think it was Gough and Millar that had written that. Hopefully they don't go too much into a love triangle with this movie.

[Doctor Jones]

Good thing that never happened. And I think that was in the Chabon draft with a younger Ock.

[Doc Ock]

I'm pretty upset that it is being rebooted but nevertheless I will give it a try.

[3dman27]

The last thing I want is this to be a teenage angsty soap opera.

amen

[MutantSteam]

Marc Webb is directing it. What a shame! Why can't they find someone cool or just leave it alone so they won't ruin spidey's good name.

[Artistsean]

Like Michael Bay? He was rumored to be attached at one point.
When I said teen angst I wasn't saying Dawson's Creeky stuff, not CW stuff. I meant how they Ultimate Comic depicted Peter as a modern teenager, plus there will probably be a love triangle between Gwen/Peter/MJ. I just meant it will be more about how Peter is a teenager in high school and dealing with things normal teenagers deal with, like grades, girls, popularity, money problems, Bullies, classes, and then add Spider-Man on that.
That's probably what they will be going for, the reason they want to look at the Ultimate Comics.
To emphasis the regular stuff Peter has do deal with as a teenager, and then he becomes Spider-Man and things just get worse.

[Alex The Great]

The last thing I want is this to be a teenage angsty soap opera. But I have faith in Marc.
Teenage angsty story? That's pretty much Peter's life :awesome:
I'm pretty upset that it is being rebooted but nevertheless I will give it a try.
Same here, they could have made a great SM4 to rid the shame of SM3, and the fact that it's gonna be made by Sony again pisses me off. Give to to Marvel you whores!

[thejon93]

Marc Webb is directing it. What a shame! Why can't they find someone cool or just leave it alone so they won't ruin spidey's good name.
Joel Schmacher isn't doing anything at the moment.

[cerealkiller182]

Why is it detractors of Webb are met with BS about Michael Bay and Joel Shumacher? Not wanting Marc Webb doesnt mean "all action, no drama."

[terry78]

Spider-Man IS a soap opera. Always has been. Even other characters in the Marvel Universe have commented on this.

[Gamma Goliath]

as long as the script has a good balance of action and development, and it isnt underplayed this could turn out okay

[Artistsean]

I was just saying, there could be worse. What if the movie studio said "Bay was successful with Transformers. Lets give him Spider-Man. He'd make a big budget action movie and it will make lots of money."
There was a rumor about that. And remember they went from Singer to Ratner for X3.

I don't know much about Webb, maybe his movie will be bad. Maybe not.
But I can give him the benefiet of the doubt. But if they had made Bay or Ratner the director, then I would be pretty sure it would not be to my liking.

[cerealkiller182]

I was just saying, there could be worse. What if the movie studio said "Bay was successful with Transformers. Lets give him Spider-Man. He'd make a big budget action movie and it will make lots of money."
There was a rumor about that. And remember they went from Singer to Ratner for X3.

I dont see the connection. Webb made a romantic comedy. Bay makes dumb action movies. Both are equally qualified to make a hypothetically unbalanced movie.

I don't know much about Webb, maybe his movie will be bad. Maybe not.
But I can give him the benefiet of the doubt. But if they had made Bay or Ratner the director, then I would be pretty sure it would not be to my liking.Im not seeing what is so special about Webb that he gets the benefit of the doubt to such a degree that those unhappy with his hire are treated like brainless junk food cinema lovers.

[NinjaCarm]

Not that I want them to do another origin but,
How would they remake the origin, keeping it new and interesting while still staying true to the comic?
One idea I was thinking they could include is something like, instead of Spider-man wrestling maybe (he still could test himself in the ring) but maybe he goes on something like The Late Show with David Letterman or something. I would have said Conan O'Brien but I guess not anymore.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/MYTHSM001011p2b.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spider-man/MYTHSM001011p4b.jpg

As for the Spider that bites him, hmm. Maybe go with the super soldier serum spider someone mentioned and show it get squashed or die right after it bit Peter.

Anyone else have ideas on how to keep the origin new and fresh?

I'm simply in favor of Spider-Man looking like that, without the outward webshooters.

Small sinisters eyes people, small sinister eyes.

[Artistsean]

Me too.

I dont see the connection. Webb made a romantic comedy. Bay makes dumb action movies. Both are equally qualified to make a hypothetically unbalanced movie.

Im not seeing what is so special about Webb that he gets the benefit of the doubt to such a degree that those unhappy with his hire are treated like brainless junk food cinema lovers.
Its just a little joke. Everyone's opinion is valid.

[thejon93]

Why is it detractors of Webb are met with BS about Michael Bay and Joel Shumacher? Not wanting Marc Webb doesnt mean "all action, no drama."
It was a joke. Quit taking quotes like that seriously. I've enjoyed Webb's work, thus far. [Yeah. The one movie he did.] I respect the guy. If this doesn't work out for him, I hope he moves onto something better, like with Joel Schmacher with 'Phone Booth' and Michael Bay being the complete opposite because all he's ever produced was trash that didn't require him to do a damn thing. Don't take this project seriously, yet. I've got my own problems with Sony on this reboot, which is why I'm hoping it fails, because I'm tired of their lackluster-effort with this franchise. We deserve better already.

[Chris Wallace]

weren't they external in his first appearance?

NO.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/panther2/c-amazing15.gif
Why would you think that?

[Spider-ManHero12]

weren't they external in his first appearance? Nope. Not at all.

[Cuyan]

I could almost hear nerds stampeding.

[Chris Wallace]

In fact, apart from the 70's TV series, we NEVER saw external webshooters until the Scarlet Spider came about. I, for one, would like it to stay that way.

[zeptron]

Just hiring an independent or even an Academy award winning director for a blockbuster franchise doesn't automatically guarantee it will be good. Wolverine anyone?

[Artistsean]

I think what Paolo Rivera, artist of Mythos, was trying to show was that Peter made his costume for his TV appearences (to get money) but his costume wasn't finished yet. Once he became a adventurer hero he altered it more and made it look better and stuff.

Also, from a practicality stand point, you don't want your enemies knowing your webs come from an external device that can just be taken away.
You hide it in your gloves so that they think its organic.
Like with Batman, I always thought why make his belt bright yellow? Bad Guys would see it and know what to take away. (I know its aesthetically pleasing to color it that way for readers though and wouldn't want it any other way.)

[3dman27]

he' thinking of the tv movie

[Ace of Knaves]

Just hiring an independent or even an Academy award winning director for a blockbuster franchise doesn't automatically guarantee it will be good. Wolverine anyone?

The problem with Wolverine wasn't the director, it was the script.

[Chris Wallace]

I think what Paolo Rivera, artist of Mythos, was trying to show was that Peter made his costume for his TV appearences (to get money) but his costume wasn't finished yet. Once he became a adventurer hero he altered it more and made it look better and stuff.

Also, from a practicality stand point, you don't want your enemies knowing your webs come from an external device that can just be taken away.
You hide it in your gloves so that they think its organic.
Like with Batman, I always thought why make his belt bright yellow? Bad Guys would see it and know what to take away. (I know its aesthetically pleasing to color it that way for readers though and wouldn't want it any other way.)

I've thought for a while that that was what Marvel was going for by having the webshooters concealed; projecting the illusion that the webbing was organic.

[Deaths Head II]

The problem with Wolverine wasn't the director, it was the script.

They had a script written before they picked Webb, so that may be the case here too.

Sure, the script they made already may not be the final draft but the original script for Wolverine was completely terrible and the final version we saw on film wasn't much better. I guess you can consider Weapon XI being Deadpool kind of a leg up from Weapon XI being an army of Sabretooth clones like it was in the original script, but it's not much of a leg up.

[chaseter]

The problem with Wolverine wasn't the director, it was the script.
A director that loves the character can help develop the script. We got a director that probably knew little of Wolverine and didn't care enough to be passionate about the character. The script, the music, the cgi, all were terrible. It was a perfect storm of mediocrity. So, thinking Webb is going to make an awesomez Spidey movie is naive. It could happen, but people who get their hopes up are the quickest to be dissapointed. Wolverine is a prime example.

[rocco2216]

Just hiring an independent or even an Academy award winning director for a blockbuster franchise doesn't automatically guarantee it will be good. Wolverine anyone?


True, but a studio having more say in a movie doesn't automatically guarantee it will be bad also.

[Artistsean]

I just thought of another way to revamp the origin for the reboot (if they decide to do so). If Spidey originally starts out on a Talk Show, showing off his powers on Letterman or something, then when he decides to become a hero vigilante it makes Jameson's mistrust a little more understandable.
A TV personality suddenly becomes a vigilante hero, I could see why the Bugle would call him a fraud and a menace.
Also why the public would be somewhat slow to warm up to Spider-Man, if they thought he might just be a gimmick or publicity stunt.

[VenomVsSpidey]

the music.... all were terrible.

I liked gregson-williams score:csad:

[Cuyan]

I just thought of another way to revamp the origin for the reboot (if they decide to do so). If Spidey originally starts out on a Talk Show, showing off his powers on Letterman or something, then when he decides to become a hero vigilante it makes Jameson's mistrust a little more understandable.
A TV personality suddenly becomes a vigilante hero, I could see why the Bugle would call him a fraud and a menace.
Also why the public would be somewhat slow to warm up to Spider-Man, if they thought he might just be a gimmick or publicity stunt.
But where did his powers come from? :huh:

[Doc Ock]

I liked gregson-williams score:csad:

Me too!

[Artistsean]

But where did his powers come from? :huh:
From a Spider Bite. :awesome:

[Cuyan]

From a Spider Bite. :awesome:
You have revamped nothing, sir. :cmad:

[Artistsean]

I am not sure how to revamp the spider-bite other than to make it not as OsCorp, and to maybe have it connected to the Super Soldier Serum (like in Ultimate Spider-Man)
but the revamped part could be that Spider-Man is a semi TV star (big debut on a late night talk show). (Although he also wrestles in the comic too, then he goes on late night).
And to have him be semi famous and that is why Jameson doesn't trust him.

[Alex The Great]

Ok, quick question. Gwen first or MJ?

[NewYorkSpider]

Gwen.

[Alex The Great]

Gwen.
Same here, then have GG kill her off at the end of the first or second, Spidey's girl need to die! :cmad:

[Sebastos]

I'd like to see Gwen.

[Doc Ock]

I'd like to see a lot of Gwen instead of MJ, and no Green Goblin in the first film. It's going to make me sad and miss Raimi more. :(

[NewYorkSpider]

Same here, then have GG kill her off at the end of the first or second, Spidey's girl need to die! :cmad:


It should happen in the third movie. I'd save the first two films for villains we haven't seen yet. Build up the relationship of Peter/Norman/Gwen and have that happen in the third film.

[Cuyan]

I'm all for Gwen in the first film, but I think to drag her on to other films would be a mistake. Bring her forth and end her in the first one.

[NewYorkSpider]

I'd like to see them explore the death of Captain Stacy. A criminal dresses up like Spider-Man and kills him. Gwen then blames the real Spider-Man for his death. I think having Electro in the first movie and that story would make for a great first movie.

[Deaths Head II]

If they ever do the Chameleon they can use him in the Death of Captain Stacy.

[TeejTurtle]

=P Talking lizard should so be like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyGMiwOGBfM
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyGMiwOGBfM)

[Ipodman]

If this planned trilogy is truly based on Ultimate Spider-man, why not just call it Ultimate Spider-Man 1, 2 and 3...

Then when Marvel gets back Spidey, they can call it The Amazing Spider-Man, which is based on the true Spider-Man. just my thoughts...

[3dman27]

If this planned trilogy is truly based on Ultimate Spider-man, why not just call it Ultimate Spider-Man 1, 2 and 3...

Then when Marvel gets back Spidey, they can call it The Amazing Spider-Man, which is based on the true Spider-Man. just my thoughts...

second the motion:spidey:

[Chris Wallace]

We're already planning for the NEXT reboot? Ugh.

[Parker Wayne]

If this planned trilogy is truly based on Ultimate Spider-man, why not just call it Ultimate Spider-Man 1, 2 and 3...

Then when Marvel gets back Spidey, they can call it The Amazing Spider-Man, which is based on the true Spider-Man. just my thoughts...

You're thinking of a third reboot? :facepalm:

[Chris Wallace]

So it's not just me. Okay.

[FaT_tONle]

You're thinking of a third reboot? :facepalm:

It's going to happen. If Punisher basically gets three interpretations, Spidey can definitely support three trilogies all with a different take. If SM6 is the last with Sony, I think Marvel shouldn't reboot. Just continue with the clone saga, or put Spidey in some cross overs. Or just make sequels.

[Deaths Head II]

The rights are going to revert to Disney one day. A Marvel Studios reboot is inevitable, which is why I think this reboot is so dumb. Sony should have just continued their Spider-Man franchise until they lost the rights.

[Parker Wayne]

So it's not just me. Okay.

And I though Dark Knight fanboys were crazy....

[FaT_tONle]

I think they were just afraid to recast the leads. Didn't work for Hulk or Punisher. Worked for supporting roles but at least the director and lead hero were still on board with the other franchises.

[Deaths Head II]

I think they were just afraid to recast the leads. Didn't work for Hulk or Punisher. Worked for supporting roles but at least the director and lead hero were still on board with the other franchises.

That's what I think was ultimately the case. Toby and Kirsten probably would have walked with Raimi. If they could have kept the cast while getting rid of Raimi they probably would have done it.

[Chris Wallace]

Maybe. I think another problem that they face is that Tobey's become synonymous with Spidey, something that hasn't really happened since Christopher Reeve. With the rotating leads on Batman & other franchises barely getting off the ground, Tobey is cemented in the public consciousness as Spider-Man. Replacing him & getting the public to warm up to that replacement may not be as easy as some people think.

[Doc Ock]

Maybe. I think another problem that they face is that Tobey's become synonymous with Spidey, something that hasn't really happened since Christopher Reeve. With the rotating leads on Batman & other franchises barely getting off the ground, Tobey is cemented in the public consciousness as Spider-Man. Replacing him & getting the public to warm up to that replacement may not be as easy as some people think.

Indeed! I wish I could wrap my head around the oddness of Sony. (Deep down I kinda hope the reboot fails)

[SpeterMan3]

Maybe. I think another problem that they face is that Tobey's become synonymous with Spidey, something that hasn't really happened since Christopher Reeve. With the rotating leads on Batman & other franchises barely getting off the ground, Tobey is cemented in the public consciousness as Spider-Man. Replacing him & getting the public to warm up to that replacement may not be as easy as some people think.
That's true. I'm still not used to seeing anyone else mentioned as Spidey. We might need a bell tower to get me off of him.

[VenomVsSpidey]

That's true. I'm still not used to seeing anyone else mentioned as Spidey. We might need a bell tower to get me off of him.

:hehe: Same. :csad:

[3dman27]

the rights are going to revert to disney one day. A marvel studios reboot is inevitable, which is why i think this reboot is so dumb. Sony should have just continued their spider-man franchise until they lost the rights.

i think i agree with your point

[Spider-ManHero12]

:hehe: Same. :csad: Same here, my friend.

[Doctor Jones]

That is true, and yet judging from the script reviews how SM4 would have turned out hadn't Raimi walked, it would have been ****. I'd rather ake this reboot than a potentially ****** film.

[Frodo]

Maybe. I think another problem that they face is that Tobey's become synonymous with Spidey, something that hasn't really happened since Christopher Reeve. With the rotating leads on Batman & other franchises barely getting off the ground, Tobey is cemented in the public consciousness as Spider-Man. Replacing him & getting the public to warm up to that replacement may not be as easy as some people think.

It depends on how good the actor is as Spidey and if they like the film. They'll except him easier then you think ,but that depends if the guy can pull it off and does a good job. You'll always have people who grew up with Michael Keaton but won't except Christan Bale and those who grew up with Pierce Brosnan and won't except Daniel Craig. Like Bond, Spiderman isn't the type role that is so identified with one actor that, the public won't except someone else in the part. The Spiderman name alone will bring people to the thearter but in terms of people excepting a new actor depends on how well the actor does and if people shine to him.

[Spider-ManHero12]

That is true, and yet judging from the script reviews how SM4 would have turned out hadn't Raimi walked, it would have been ****. I'd rather ake this reboot than a potentially ****** film. Well, there are different rumors I've heard about the script of S-M4. We don't really know which one is real. Personally, I think the one with the baby was real. Honestly, I would have liked that ending.

[thejon93]

You're thinking of a third reboot? :facepalm:
Why the hell should people not think of a third reboot? How is that a shame. Just because you want to see a "gritty and serious", 'Dark Knight'-wannabe of a 'Spider-Man' movie doesn't mean we all want to. I know I sure as hell don't.

[Parker Wayne]

Why the hell should people not think of a third reboot? How is that a shame. Just because you want to see a "gritty and serious", 'Dark Knight'-wannabe of a 'Spider-Man' movie doesn't mean we all want to. I know I sure as hell don't.

I don't either, but I really can't see them at this point doing a third reboot nor would I actually want to now. It's a little ridiculous to think of a third reboot when the second one hasn't even shown concept pictures.

I know they said dark and gritty, but I honestly doubt it will be as dark and gritty as people think, but we'll just have to wait and see if they'll actually take that road with the movie. I honestly can't see Sony sticking with that route, but I've seen dumber decision though.

[thejon93]

I don't either, but I really can't see them at this point doing a third reboot nor would I actually want to now. It's a little ridiculous to think of a third reboot when the second one hasn't even shown concept pictures.

I know they said dark and gritty, but I honestly doubt it will be as dark and gritty as people think, but we'll just have to wait and see if they'll actually take that road with the movie. I honestly can't see Sony sticking with that route, but I've seen dumber decision though.
[I'm not exactly sure at this point. But I believe that the script's said to be "gritty and serious". Another poster on here "informed" me of this a while ago.]

For myself, personally, it's hard not to imagine the idea of a third reboot. Not saying that I want it right away; I don't want them to rush it out or anything along those lines. I just can't help but think of it when reading about the script Sony received from Vanderbilt. The way it's described just doesn't work at all for me; and I've tried to think it through in my head a billion times before. If the movie works. Fans like it. Yay! We'll get two more installments before Marvel (probably) gets the franchise back.

I'm sorry for sounding so negative about this reboot. I really am. I am usually a really positive guy who could back up projects like this. However, I can't back up something that I don't see as being faithful. Let's edmit it, Raimi's 'Spider-Man' films... Not entirely faithful to the source material; sometimes blatantly obvious (ex. 'Spider-Man 3', which I actually enjoyed with all it's campiness). I really did enjoy the Raimi installments a lot, but enough was enough. It ended at 'Spider-Man 3', we didn't need anything beyond (even though I have varying opinions on that statement).

The announcement of this reboot got me really pumped; I'm not one of those haters who just hates on everything from the beginning. Peter Parker's going back to high school. Awesome! It's gonna focus on Peter more... Okay! "Gritty and serious". You've got to be kidding me.

So, let me get this straight: The reboot will focus more on Peter Parker in high school, featuring a "gritty and serious" tone?... How the hell is that gonna work? They can't just transist back-and-forth between quipping Spider-Man action sequences and depressed Peter Parker melodrama. It won't work. You've gotta have it one way if you want to have a solid movie; especially if they're planning on doing this as another origin story. It won't work if they're going to do that. If they're not gonna do that, and it's gonna be "gritty and serious", then forget about a quipping Spider-Man.

Simply put, my problem is that if they're not going to respect the comic-books. I'm not going to bother caring about this film. I don't care what anyone says. If this is going to be released as a "gritty and serious" movie, it's going to feel pretentious and people are going to be constantly comparing it to 'The Dark Knight'. You think I'm kidding? Why don't you fellas think about it for a minute, instead of just shoot back with a contradictory statement reading: "Quit comparing it to 'The Dark Knight'." I'm not trying to insult anyone by saying that, I'm just asking you to think about this for a moment before you praise it with open-arms. You're going to be paying around $7 to see this when it comes out in theatres. Certainly you guys may be quick enough to realize that you don't want to see 'Alvin and the Chipmunks' because it's not your genre. But why don't you guys think that way about something like this? Quit worrying what others will think. This is a message board, for heaven sakes. Here, you're free to speak your mind and argue about your opinions without a fear in the world.

[Deaths Head II]

I don't either, but I really can't see them at this point doing a third reboot nor would I actually want to now. It's a little ridiculous to think of a third reboot when the second one hasn't even shown concept pictures.

We all know that a Marvel Studio reboot is most likely going to happen at one point though. This Sony reboot is going to be temporary no matter what.

[Alex The Great]

Wait, the first offical ASM issue (not AF) didn't Spidey get captured the Fantastic 4? It'd be kinda cool to see that, just to show how much of a outcast Spider-Man is, being masked and all. I mean, I never understood how the FF and Spidey never ever crossed over, but Hulk and Iron Man does :cmad:

[Deaths Head II]

Wait, the first offical ASM issue (not AF) didn't Spidey get captured the Fantastic 4? It'd be kinda cool to see that, just to show how much of a outcast Spider-Man is, being masked and all. I mean, I never understood how the FF and Spidey never ever crossed over, but Hulk and Iron Man does :cmad:

Because Spider-Man films are made by Sony, Fantastic Four films are made by Fox, and Iron Man/Hulk films are made by Marvel Studios.

[Alex The Great]

I hate Trademarks! :cmad:

[terry78]

Logically, X-Men, Daredevil and FF should have crossed over in the movies. Ghost Rider and Spidey should have as well.

[Deaths Head II]

I would guess neither Fox nor Sony wants to hurt their successful film franchise by crossing over with a less successful one. Because both Fox and Sony only really have one ongoing and successful franchise each.

[Dark Knight]

Zac Efron or Taylor Lautner in the high school Twilight style version of Spidey??

Either way....it will be a disgrace.

[Chris Wallace]

Wait, the first offical ASM issue (not AF) didn't Spidey get captured the Fantastic 4? It'd be kinda cool to see that, just to show how much of a outcast Spider-Man is, being masked and all.

That is absolutely never going to happen.
Incidentally, they didn't capture him; he broke into their headquarters looking to join the team, & they made several attempts to trap or incapacitate him as he "auditioned" by showing off his skill.

[DorkyFresh]

not sure if anyone's brought this up yet (not gonna search 146 pages to find out) but does anyone know (or think) they're gonna make this reboot in line with the new Avengers line of movies? will they be connecting Spidey's movies to the Avengers movies? it'd be cool to see a cameo or two from Caps or Iron Man.

[VenomVsSpidey]

not sure if anyone's brought this up yet (not gonna search 146 pages to find out) but does anyone know (or think) they're gonna make this reboot in line with the new Avengers line of movies? will they be connecting Spidey's movies to the Avengers movies? it'd be cool to see a cameo or two from Caps or Iron Man.

nope. different universe. No crossovers here.

[DorkyFresh]

laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.....but thanks for the info.

[GoldGoblin]

They should make the first two movies back to back.

[VenomVsSpidey]

They should make the first two movies back to back.

yeah...no

[Doc Ock]

They should make the first two movies back to back.

I'm not so sure about that, I think the first one should be standalone and if it is successful enough then make the possible second and third installment back-to-back.

[rashad]

They should make the first two movies back to back.

Way too much financial risk for that. Especially with this being a reboot. Put everything into making a great 1st film and let the sequels take care of themselves.

[Spider-ManHero12]

nope. different universe. No crossovers here. Indeed, and tbh, I never really wanted crossovers in Spidey movie unless it was absoloutely necessary.

[BenReilly]

Even though it would never happen, I would love to see Sam Jackson's Nick Fury show up in an upcoming film. That would rock. :)

[GoldGoblin]

Well, there are different rumors I've heard about the script of S-M4. We don't really know which one is real. Personally, I think the one with the baby was real. Honestly, I would have liked that ending.

^
Which is?

[Spider-ManHero12]

^
Which is? What do you mean?

[Deaths Head II]

Indeed, and tbh, I never really wanted crossovers in Spidey movie unless it was absoloutely necessary.

I wouldn't like needless crossovers either, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Human Torch's relationship with Spidey on screen.

[Doc Ock]

I wouldn't like needless crossovers either, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Human Torch's relationship with Spidey on screen.

Indeed, I think Blade would also be nice....but thats about it.

[Chris Wallace]

Indeed, and tbh, I never really wanted crossovers in Spidey movie unless it was absoloutely necessary.

I like the Spidey movies to stand alone. How lame would it have been if he'd shown up at Ock's lair or the construction site with 50 SHIELD agents?

[Doc Ock]

I like the Spidey movies to stand alone. How lame would it have been if he'd shown up at Ock's lair or the construction site with 50 SHIELD agents?

That would be a short fight! :p

[CameraObscura]

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Wes Andersons Spider-man. haha :]

[Chris Wallace]

Indeed, I think Blade would also be nice....but thats about it.

Nah-I think I can count on my fingers the number of times they've met. And Blade is your bloody, foul-mouthed "R"-level hero whereas Spider-Man is...Spider-Man. They have about as much business appearing in a movie together-and are about as likely to do so-as the Watchmen & the Incredibles.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Zac Efron or Taylor Lautner in the high school Twilight style version of Spidey??

Either way....it will be a disgrace.Co-Sign.

[spider-neil]

I'm all for filming back to back movies. waiting 4 years for each movie is way too long.

[Ajendo]

That is absolutely never going to happen.
Incidentally, they didn't capture him; he broke into their headquarters looking to join the team, & they made several attempts to trap or incapacitate him as he "auditioned" by showing off his skill.

And if memory serves me correctly, spidey did a pretty good job making the F4 look rather silly.

[CrypticOne]

I'm all for filming back to back movies. waiting 4 years for each movie is way too long.

Agreed.

I mean, look at The Lord of the Rings. Came out awesome and every year.

[Ajendo]

Indeed, and tbh, I never really wanted crossovers in Spidey movie unless it was absoloutely necessary.

I have to agree. I prefer spidey being a lone hero, which is why I balked at the thought of spidey having to team up with the likes of BC in a movie. In other mediums it's fine but for the movies, spidey needs to shine by himself.

[Ajendo]

Even though it would never happen, I would love to see Sam Jackson's Nick Fury show up in an upcoming film. That would rock. :)

Yeah, thats a huge dissapointment with these whole licensing stuff. With this reboot and spidey being back in high school, what I'd give to see a good couple of scenes between peter/spidey and fury annoying the hell out of each other ala USM.

[Chris Wallace]

Co-Sign.

I agree with your sig.

[<borkis>]

Sorry if this is a repost on here, but I just saw this...

The Wes Anderson version of Spider-Man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5KfHEoZDKI

[Doctor Jones]

That was brilliant.

[Doc Ock]

I agree with your sig.

Me too. :p

Sorry if this is a repost on here, but I just saw this...

The Wes Anderson version of Spider-Man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5KfHEoZDKI

I'd watch that movie....maybe....

[kedrell]

Y'know they guy in that who's doing the Owen Wilson impression....damn he sounds just like him. Awesome job.

[bubbadoom]

I assume this has been mentioned, I do not think I have done so, but isn't if funny that Sony would not give Sam a date in 2012, but they will the new guy...wtf?

[Infinity9999x]

Agreed.

I mean, look at The Lord of the Rings. Came out awesome and every year.

While I really wouldn't mind them filming back to back Spider-man movies, LOTR is an unusual case. It was one big story to begin with. Tolkien didn't write three separate novels, LOTR was one story but the publishers split the book up because they thought it was too long and they would make more money selling three books as opposed to one.

So for those movies it made sense. If we get a solid two to three story outline and they want to film it back to back though, I have no problem. Probably would be better too, since you can only pull off twenty-something actors as teenagers for so long.

[night0205]

LOTR was a masterpiece because they spend 7 years on the Trilogy! Not 1! It was made with quality and quantity over time. Spider-man already has a deadline.

[Chris Wallace]

Plus, Jackson pretty much knew going into the first movie what he was going to do with the third, I think.

[weezerspider]

Yah LOTR was already planned out because it was based on a book trilogy. IF they plan out one long, intriguing story that expands through two films, I'm all for it. Otherwise, no.

[kedrell]

While I really wouldn't mind them filming back to back Spider-man movies, LOTR is an unusual case. It was one big story to begin with. Tolkien didn't write three separate novels, LOTR was one story but the publishers split the book up because they thought it was too long and they would make more money selling three books as opposed to one.

So for those movies it made sense. If we get a solid two to three story outline and they want to film it back to back though, I have no problem. Probably would be better too, since you can only pull off twenty-something actors as teenagers for so long.

That's really the only reason that back to back filming would make sense.

[Deaths Head II]

If they have a plan for a trilogy then by all means film back-to-back.

But no stand alone films followed by two connected films like Matrix or Pirates. The second film feels incomplete and the third film becomes a disappointment. :cmad:

[kedrell]

I don't think that two examples of failures at that idea necessarily = it can't work. But I do see where you're coming from.

[Chris Wallace]

Were the storylines for Matrix & Pirates pre-established? Revolutions felt like your standard third act rush job. We've run out of story, we're just fulfilling our contracts, let's wrap it up. I think if they avoid that approach they'll be fine. Comic books are ongoing stories & the movies should be given the same mentality. Don't wrap it up. Let it dangle. Leave the audience wanting more but not dissatisfied.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I like the Spidey movies to stand alone. How lame would it have been if he'd shown up at Ock's lair or the construction site with 50 SHIELD agents? Yeah, I second that.

[Doc Ock]

If they have a plan for a trilogy then by all means film back-to-back.

But no stand alone films followed by two connected films like Matrix or Pirates. The second film feels incomplete and the third film becomes a disappointment. :cmad:

In your opinion, of course. :p And maybe many others. :(

[Chris Wallace]

Should comic book franchises be approached with the LOTR mentality? Go into 1 already knowing what you plan to do with 2 & 3?

[Mace Dolex]

Should comic book franchises be approached with the LOTR mentality? Go into 1 already knowing what you plan to do with 2 & 3?
Yeah I prefer it that way too, and they can even plan two trilogies if their thinking of releasing 6 movies.

[Doctor Jones]

Take it one at a time. It is best to look at the film in front of you and make the best of that.

[cerealkiller182]

Should comic book franchises be approached with the LOTR mentality? Go into 1 already knowing what you plan to do with 2 & 3?

Not as a rule. They can from time to time. But i dont see why self-contained sequels can't work.

[©KAW]

Isn't that what they have now, one long script written by James Vanderbilt, planned for two films?

[Avatar]

Sony has until what 2017 until the current contract / deal expires & Disney will not be renewing the contract. I would think that if the first one makes money they would be forced to do back to back movies.. Time is not on Sony's side with this

[RustyCage]

I'm all for filming back to back movies. waiting 4 years for each movie is way too long.

Wholly agreed. Further, we wouldn't have to worry about how much older the actor playing Spidey got between the two movies, it would feel more consistent. Assuming it's just a two movie run, anyway.

[Chris Wallace]

You know, Marvel hasn't exactly had the best luck with reboots. We can't be certain there'll be a second movie.

[Deaths Head II]

You know, Marvel hasn't exactly had the best luck with reboots. We can't be certain there'll be a second movie.

Well this is the first reboot of an actually successful Marvel franchise so we don't know how it'll turn out.

[Chris Wallace]

This is true. But then, the fact that the franchise WAS successful is why I'm against the reboot in the first place.

[Dangerous]

This is true. But then, the fact that the franchise WAS successful is why I'm against the reboot in the first place.

The series was successful FINANCIALLY, and while the films were generally critically well regarded, they left A LOT to be desired in the eyes of many of the fans.

The reboot is an opportunity to give someone else a chance and address these issues.

[Deaths Head II]

The series was successful FINANCIALLY, and while the films were generally critically well regarded, they left A LOT to be desired in the eyes of many of the fans.

The issues of the fanboys don't really matter though. Sony would be ecstatic is the new film had the same exact response as the first two Spider-Man films. Even the same amount of fanboy complaints.

[kedrell]

They left s***-loads to be desired.

[Chris Wallace]

The issues of the fanboys don't really matter though. Sony would be ecstatic is the new film had the same exact response as the first two Spider-Man films. Even the same amount of fanboy complaints.

And there would be fanboy complaints. This is unavoidable. Even the much-beloved "Dark Knight" didn't win over fanboys 100% across the board.

[weezerspider]

And there would be fanboy complaints. This is unavoidable. Even the much-beloved "Dark Knight" didn't win over fanboys 100% across the board.

Yah this is true.

The thing with Spiderman is that the third one to many people seemed like such a drop off from the first two. Sony realized one mediocre movie didn't ruin two very well made films and decided to move on with Sm-4. However, that seemed to be a complete mess and when Raimi walked out it was kinda like Marvel said "well, if we have to get a new director, might as well just start a new series all together". I'm ok with the reboot, but I don't think it was really necessary.

[Deaths Head II]

However, that seemed to be a complete mess and when Raimi walked out it was kinda like Marvel said "well, if we have to get a new director, might as well just start a new series all together

It was Sony that made the decision actually. They're in charge of the films.

Plus, the cast was behind Raimi in pushing for creative freedom, so when Raimi walked it was likely that Tobey and Kirsten walked too. Sony had to recast anyway so they probably decided to just reboot.

[sauronthegreat]

Should comic book franchises be approached with the LOTR mentality? Go into 1 already knowing what you plan to do with 2 & 3?

Definitely!
And as time passes it becomes more of a trend, resulting in more quality franchises.

[Doctor Jones]

No, keep it one film at a time. A filmmaker shouldn't be making two or three movies at once. He shouldn't be shooting the first film while doing prep for 2 and 3.

[weezerspider]

It was Sony that made the decision actually. They're in charge of the films.

Plus, the cast was behind Raimi in pushing for creative freedom, so when Raimi walked it was likely that Tobey and Kirsten walked too. Sony had to recast anyway so they probably decided to just reboot.

My bad, it was SONY. And yes, that was the point I was trying to make was that Sony had to recast and get a new director and just decided to start from scratch.

[Sentinel X]

Definitely!
And as time passes it becomes more of a trend, resulting in more quality franchises. I agree...planning ahead is much better than taking it one at a time. You should know where you want your story to go and nothing forces a director to do so more than back to back filming.

If the director is up to it I think it would be wise to make 2 films back to back and allow him to take a break on the third.

[Doc Ock]

No, keep it one film at a time. A filmmaker shouldn't be making two or three movies at once. He shouldn't be shooting the first film while doing prep for 2 and 3.

Indeed!

[Pac-Master]

LOL, I just checked Sony's Spider-Man site, and they're still advertising Spider-Man 4's May 6th, 2011 release date.

[SpeterMan3]

LOL, I just checked Sony's Spider-Man site, and they're still advertising Spider-Man 4's May 6th, 2011 release date.
Maybe this whole thing's a publicity stunt and they're still moving on with 4! :yay::dry::csad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad:

[Darkness Falls]

it still just seems like a huge wtf

i mean they had cast malkovich as the vulture
then the next day they say they are goin with a reboot

i wouldn't be surprised if it was a publicity stunt...... but i'm pretty sure its not

[Chris Wallace]

Maybe this whole thing's a publicity stunt and they're still moving on with 4! :yay::dry::csad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad:

Doubt it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Maybe this whole thing's a publicity stunt and they're still moving on with 4! :yay::dry::csad::cmad::cmad::cmad::cmad: I wish it was just a publicity stunt. :csad:

[Chris Wallace]

So do I.
I am a little surprised, though, that they haven't updated the site.

[Ion Kenshin]

http://www.manchesterknowledge.com/pictures/spiderman_6_350x10000.jpg

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CULVER CITY, Calif., February 10, 2010 – Spider-Man will swing into theaters worldwide in 3D beginning July 3, 2012, it was announced today by Jeff Blake, Chairman of Sony Pictures Worldwide Marketing & Distribution. The new film which is still untitled, will begin production later this year directed by Marc Webb from a screenplay by James Vanderbilt. Avi Arad and Laura Ziskin will produce the film from Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios.

Commenting on the announcement, Blake said, “Spider-Man is the ultimate summer movie-going experience, and we’re thrilled the filmmakers are presenting the next installment in 3D. Spider-Man is one of the most popular characters in the world, and we know audiences are eager and excited to discover Marc’s fantastic vision for Peter Parker and the franchise.”

[terry78]

I knew it was gonna be in 3D, and I hadn't even heard the rumors. I can honestly say this character does fit 3D moreso than any other.

[Captain Planet!]

Not much of a surprise.

[BenReilly]

I'm actually looking forward to seeing it in 3-D. I'm just hoping that Webb will be able to shoot the film in stereoscopic 3-D (a la Avatar & Tron Legacy), as opposed to another post-production conversion.

[SuperFerret]

And... there goes the camel's back. I'll wait for the DVD.

[Spider-ManHero12]

So do I.
I am a little surprised, though, that they haven't updated the site. Same here. My guess is that they've forgoten.

[ultimatefan]

If they´re going 3-d, it seems less and less likely that it´s going to be that low 80 million budget we been hearing. I´m more willing to bet the 200m another article said the studio was going for (apparently Sam wanted 300m, and a lot of it was going for the cast and crew´increased paychecks).

[redfirebird2008]

Anyone think Sony will move their release date when WB announces Batman 3 for mid-July 2012?

[batman44]

If they´re going 3-d, it seems less and less likely that it´s going to be that low 80 million budget we been hearing. I´m more willing to bet the 200m another article said the studio was going for (apparently Sam wanted 300m, and a lot of it was going for the cast and crew´increased paychecks).

Yeah, I was thinkning the same thing.

[topdog1]

Anyone think Sony will move their release date when WB announces Batman 3 for mid-July 2012?

Spider-Man 4 would have to fear no one... including TDK3. Now, Spider-Boy had better look over his shoulder. It's going to be easy to bully this franchise now. How many other 80 million dollar films try and lock up the July 4th weekend???

[Chris Wallace]

All this speculation & rumors-it's driving me batty!

[Captain Planet!]

If they do move it, they're pussies.

[redfirebird2008]

If they do move it, they're pussies.

Not really. Warner Brothers refused to move Superman Returns and it was squashed like a bug by Pirates 2. Granted, they were a week apart instead of 2 weeks apart, but it's still very difficult to go up against an ultra hyped movie from the same genre. It will lose a ton of screens and its legs will be chopped off quicker than usual. I think Sony is really wanting to have a WOM-hit this time around. That would be tough to do with only 2 weeks to make your money before having your movie yanked from a ton of screens to make way for another big franchise.

[Captain Planet!]

Not really. Warner Brothers refused to move Superman Returns and it was squashed like a bug by Pirates 2. Granted, they were a week apart instead of 2 weeks apart, but it's still very difficult to go up against an ultra hyped movie from the same genre. It will lose a ton of screens and its legs will be chopped off quicker than usual. I think Sony is really wanting to have a WOM-hit this time around. That would be tough to do with only 2 weeks to make your money before having your movie yanked from a ton of screens to make way for another big franchise.
WB could release Batman 3 in March and would still make a billion dollars. If B3 was released in June or the end of July everything would work out. Either way, what a badass month. :up:

[Crook]

And... there goes the camel's back. I'll wait for the DVD.
Are you serious?! :funny:

You do realize there will still be a 2D release...

[BenReilly]

There's also the Star Trek sequel, which comes out four days prior (June 29)...

Depending on how good the reboot is, I think Spider-Man will be okay. Good word-of-mouth is EXTREMELY important. If you've got it, you can go up against anything and come out fine, but again, It all depends on the quality of your product.

[redfirebird2008]

There's also the Star Trek sequel, which comes out four days prior (June 29)...

Depending on how good the reboot is, I think Spider-Man will be okay. Good word-of-mouth is EXTREMELY important. If you've got it, you can go up against anything and come out fine, but again, It all depends on the quality of your product.

Star Trek is in there too? Sheesh, looking like May 2007 all over again.

[SuperFerret]

Are you serious?! :funny:

You do realize there will still be a 2D release...

Eh. This move just solidifies the fact that this movie is not going to be for me.

[Captain Planet!]

Does Star Trek 2 even have a script yet?

[ultimatefan]

There´s plenty of time for the studios to set properly distant release dates, it´s nothing to freak out about yet.

[Crook]

Eh. This move just solidifies the fact that this movie is not going to be for me.
Based on it being 3D? How? I can't imagine that it'd be any sort of determining factor in how a film is made.

[dark_b]

please ohhhhh please hire the stereoscopic team from Cameron and Vince Pace. please. dont try to experiment and dont be smartasses. just hire the same 3D team from Avatar and all will be fine.

and please use the Fusion 3D cameras.

[SuperFerret]

Based on it being 3D? How? I can't imagine that it'd be any sort of determining factor in how a film is made.

3D will always be a gimmick, it's just an expensive one now. Reboots are silly. Spider-Man's best stories happened when he was a young adult. The emphasis on the Ultimate series as source material is a negative. The original movies got it mostly right and only few changes are needed.

All those are my opinions, and all of them show that this movie is not for me.

[Immortalfire]

3D :down

[Deaths Head II]

I don't see why people keep making a stink over eveytime a movie is announced in 3D. Unless the 2D versions of the film are banned from theaters it does not affect anything at all.

[Sentinel X]

Yay! This is a great movie to use 3D....its going to be awesome in 3d. This is good news

[Venom 1988]

I don't see how anyone can complain about this piece of news. Don't like 3D? Alright, go watch the 2D version.

[Venom 1988]

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[Spidey_62]

Nice to know the release date, I hope they don't go and push it back down the road.

[Jick09]

I don't see why people keep making a stink over eveytime a movie is announced in 3D. Unless the 2D versions of the film are banned from theaters it does not affect anything at all.

I don't see how anyone can complain about this piece of news. Don't like 3D? Alright, go watch the 2D version.
It's what I also think.
It's not like it won't be having 2D versions, so what's the problem?

[Mrpaul]

Either way we will still see it. 2-D or 3-D. We all have our versions of how Spidey should be. Now Sony will have to bring a bigger budget to produce. Before we know it July 2012 will be upon us.

[Bruce Malone]

The thing about 3D that gets me is how guys like Cameron say it is the future of the film industry it will be like watching a black and white film not to see it in 3d in the future etc.. Then why still charge premium prices for it? If its going to be ubiquitous make it so and just keep charging regular fees.

I hope 3d prices will eventually come down otherwise this is just a way to gauge ppl an extra 5 bucks for the next 10 years on films.

[Deaths Head II]

The thing about 3D that gets me is how guys like Cameron say it is the future of the film industry it will be like watching a black and white film not to see it in 3d in the future etc.. Then why still charge premium prices for it? If its going to be ubiquitous make it so and just keep charging regular fees.

I hope 3d prices will eventually come down otherwise this is just a way to gauge ppl an extra 5 bucks for the next 10 years on films.

If people are willing to pay the extra 5 bucks, what's the problem?

It's the consumers that define what will become the future of anything and so far they've decided that there is a place for 3D at the very least. Even with the extra price.

[Watson]

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