Sony Rebooting Spider-Man for 2012!!!

[BenReilly]

It's all subjective. Even in both Raimi and Nolan's case, both directors have cited Superman: The Movie as the greatest superhero movie ever made. Both men have excellent taste. :hehe:

[Spider-ManHero12]

More opinions being stated as facts. It's like a virus! What's funny is how people have picked on me for 3-4 years about loving Raimi's SPidey films, yet, they never look at their own faults. Such as thinking a film is better than another film as a fact.

[Chris Wallace]

It's all subjective. Even in both Raimi and Nolan's case, both directors have cited Superman: The Movie as the greatest superhero movie ever made. I choose to forgive them for that.

[BenReilly]

I choose to forgive them for that.

We'll, I'd say their both right, so no need to forgive... ;)

[Excelsior.]

He is a film student, yet he doesn't know the first thing they teach you.

The merit of a film is subjective. :rolleyes:

[Chris Wallace]

We'll, I'd say their both right, so no need to forgive... ;)

To each his own. I thought Reeve's performance & the overall depiction of the character was brilliant. Everything else about the movie-particularly Lex & his whole world-left MUCH to be desired.

[©KAW]

Yay, I stepped into another geek battle. Let me join in. So, are we all going to pretend that we're talking about something else when a pretty girl walks by? :)

[VenomVsSpidey]

To each his own. I thought Reeve's performance & the overall depiction of the character was brilliant. Everything else about the movie-particularly Lex & his whole world-left MUCH to be desired.

Williams wrote a good musical score too...

[david icke]

Yay, I stepped into another geek battle. Let me join in. So, are we all going to pretend that we're talking about something else when a pretty girl walks by? :)

You should try watching a superhero movie with the cool girls, they are just as into them as the boys. although a boy doesn't automatically get cool points for liking a superhero movie, I'm sexist that way . :hehe:

[david icke]

It's all subjective. Even in both Raimi and Nolan's case, both directors have cited Superman: The Movie as the greatest superhero movie ever made. Both men have excellent taste. :hehe:

I think you could probably put Bryan Singer on that list too. Up until Nolan's Batman movies, I thought the 1st two Reeve films were the best comicbook adapted superhero movies made.

[Chris Wallace]

Yay, I stepped into another geek battle. Let me join in. So, are we all going to pretend that we're talking about something else when a pretty girl walks by? :)

My girl knows I'm a geek.

[Iceman]

Doesn't really matter which is better as long as both franchises keep making good films. Batman fell so low & recovered to the very top. Spidey got very high (not quite DK high IMO) & went off the rails with SM3. So however it is done, reboot or not, all I care about is that the next Spidey film recovers to a good standard.

[Chris Wallace]

I can agree with that.

[Doc Ock]

More opinions being stated as facts. It's like a virus!

Indeed.....I wonder if people know what opinions even mean anymore!

[Chris Wallace]

Williams wrote a good musical score too...

I'll give you that one.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Yay, I stepped into another geek battle. Let me join in. So, are we all going to pretend that we're talking about something else when a pretty girl walks by? :)

You post on a superhero forum. Get off your high horse.

I'll give you that one.

Williams never fails to impress. :up:

[Chris Wallace]

What's he done apart from Supes & Star Wars?

[VenomVsSpidey]

What's he done apart from Supes & Star Wars?

Hook, Home Alone, Jurassic Park, The Lost World,Harry Potter 1-3, Home Alone 2, All the Indy Flicks, Schindler's List, Jaws, Jaws 2. Here's a complete resume of his work :

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002354/

[cerealkiller182]

John Williams is easily the most notable film composer ever.

[Dark_Lord]

What's he done apart from Supes & Star Wars?

Jaws, ET, Indiana Jones, Jurassic Park, Harry Potter, Home Alone, Hook and more.

EDIT: venomvsspidey beat me to it.

[VenomVsSpidey]

John Williams is easily the most notable film composer ever.

This. :up:

[Chris Wallace]

Ah. Some things I just don't read all the credits to.

[Parker Wayne]

Hook, Home Alone, Jurassic Park, The Lost World,Harry Potter 1-3, Home Alone 2, All the Indy Flicks, Schindler's List, Jaws, Jaws 2. Here's a complete resume of his work :

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002354/

Don't forget the Epic theme to the Olympics.

[Spideyfan93]

If John Williams picked up the score for these new movies, I'd definitely be pumped! I love the Elfman theme to death but there's no catch to it.

Williams would most likely create a score that is recognizable(Elfman's is too) and easy to start humming where everyone else in the room aside from yourself would know what you're humming.

[Chris Wallace]

Doubt it'll ever happen.

[spideyboy_1111]

If John Williams picked up the score for these new movies, I'd definitely be pumped! I love the Elfman theme to death but there's no catch to it.

Williams would most likely create a score that is recognizable(Elfman's is too) and easy to start humming where everyone else in the room aside from yourself would know what you're humming.

i honestly am not a fan of elfmans these days.. his music has gotten very boring imo.... spidey just sounded like a mash up of his batman and men and black scores. I would have preffered the music to sound at least original. His Ock Suite was great though

[©KAW]

John Williams wouldn't touch Spider-Man, when he's already done the score to the biggest comic book icon, Superman. It would be going backwards for his career.

[Silver Knight]

When do you think we will get some official announcements?

[Chris Wallace]

When there are announcements to make.

[Doc Ock]

John Williams wouldn't touch Spider-Man, when he's already done the score to the biggest comic book icon, Superman. It would be going backwards for his career.

*sigh* No Comment.

[Iceman]

John Williams wouldn't touch Spider-Man, when he's already done the score to the biggest comic book icon, Superman. It would be going backwards for his career.By that logic he should have called it a day & retired from film completely straight after making the Star Wars score.

[chaseter]

HAHA. What a statement that was.

[weezerspider]

No.....there is no fact that TDK is better than any of the SPider-Man films. It's all just opinions, my friend. It's stupid to say otherwise, IMO.

I perfer Iron Man over TDK, tbh.

You didn't even attempt to read my post did you. Its called putting personal opinions and personal tastes aside and rating a movie based on the movie itself. Again, Personally my favorite movie is The Departed, but I'd have to say the best movie I've ever seen is Citzen Kane, which IMHO is a bore. Someone can say "I like Batman and Robin better than the Godfather" and there is absolutely wrong with that. Someone who says "Batman and Robin is better than the Godfather" should be shipped to Shutter Island.

[weezerspider]

He is a film student, yet he doesn't know the first thing they teach you.

The merit of a film is subjective. :rolleyes:

The first thing they taught me is where to put the camera. And films are subjective to a point. You can make a case for several movies to be the greatest movie of all time. Movies like TDK aren't in that scenario because they just aren't that good. Its in my top 5 favorite films, but there is no way I can say its one of the top 5 greatest films.

Oh and I'm NOT a film student. I have a film degree...

[Spidey_62]

I'm glad I'm not as fickle as the half of the fanboys here.

[©KAW]

By that logic he should have called it a day & retired from film completely straight after making the Star Wars score.Star Wars isn't a comic book. My point was, why score another comic book movie, when you've already scored the biggest known comic book icon character on the planet, Superman.

Not to mention, his Superman score is leaps and bounds better than any other comic book score. He'll be doing nothing but competing with himself, in a mostly mediocre genre of comic book scores. He's still king after 35 years or more waiting for everyone else to catch up to his comic book score.

[Chris Wallace]

His score was tainted by Superman Returns, though.

[©KAW]

No, his score wasn't tainted at all. As his score is the one attached to the original SUPERMAN movie. Let that be a lesson to you kids, you don't sent an okay composer, to try and mimic the master.

[VenomVsSpidey]

No, his score wasn't tainted at all. As his score is the one attached to the original SUPERMAN movie. Let that be a lesson to you kids, you don't sent an okay composer, to try and mimic the master.

Okay composer?
John ottman can score like a mofo. X2, Fantastic Four, Cable guy, and, from what IMDB says, the new supes movie...

[©KAW]

Compared to John Williams, you're lucky I even said "okay."

[cerealkiller182]

Star Wars isn't a comic book. My point was, why score another comic book movie, when you've already scored the biggest known comic book icon character on the planet, Superman.

Not to mention, his Superman score is leaps and bounds better than any other comic book score. He'll be doing nothing but competing with himself, in a mostly mediocre genre of comic book scores. He's still king after 35 years or more waiting for everyone else to catch up to his comic book score.


Are you seriously asking why John Williams would continue working? The guy did Hook, that was definitely a step down from everything he has ever done before, I do not think the context of the film matters as much as making the best possible score that complements that film. You definitely seem to have a preconception that anyone involved with one comic book movie can't be a part of another which is just all kinds of wrong.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Compared to John Williams, you're lucky I even said "okay."

I never said he was better than williams. But JW ain't the only amazing composer out there.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Are you seriously asking why John Williams would continue working? The guy did Hook, that was definitely a step down from everything he has ever done before, I do not think the context of the film matters as much as making the best possible score that complements that film. You definitely seem to have a preconception that anyone involved with one comic book movie can't be a part of another which is just all kinds of wrong.


Hook is in my top 10 favorite JW scores...:csad:

[©KAW]

Are you seriously asking why John Williams would continue working? The guy did Hook, that was definitely a step down from everything he has ever done before, I do not think the context of the film matters as much as making the best possible score that complements that film. You definitely seem to have a preconception that anyone involved with one comic book movie can't be a part of another which is just all kinds of wrong.No, not anyone, John Williams, yes I do have a preconception that John Williams involved with one comic book movie, would NOT be a part of another ICON comic book film. Especially Spider-Man, which has Danny Elfman's stink all over it. He would never accept Elfman's sloppy seconds.

[cerealkiller182]

No, not anyone, John Williams, yes I do have a preconception that John Williams involved with one comic book movie, would NOT be a part of another icon comic book film. Especially Spider-Man, which has Danny Elfman's stink all over it. He would never accept Elfman's sloppy seconds.

Im not saying he is a shoe-in. But to just outright say John Williams wouldnt do Spiderman because he did Superman is one of the most unfounded things ever stated on these boards.

[©KAW]

I'm dead serious, Spider-Man is beneath him, because he already did Superman and it has already been scored by Danny Elfman. What could he possible accomplish by doing it, when he has countless composers trying and failing to create the greatness that is the Superman score?

[VenomVsSpidey]

JW's superman score was good, but elfman's batman scores pwned Supes by a mile.

[©KAW]

We seriously disagree there. And I'm much more of a Batman fan than I am Supes.

[chaseter]

Thank God you don't work for Sony.

"I am sorry Mr. Williams but we are declining your request to score this movie because it is beneath you."

[©KAW]

No silly, it would be John Williams who decline, because he thinks it's beneath him. Sony would love it if he said he wanted to do it, and so would I.

[spider-neil]

JW's superman score was good, but elfman's batman scores pwned Supes by a mile.

you can't be serious :wow:

[El Payaso]

you can't be serious :wow:

Yes, he can. Even when I don't completely agree I can see where is he coming from.

[Oscorp]

I agree, I like Elfman's Batman score more tbh

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, I prefer Elfman's Batman score as well. I have to crank it up when I first see the WB logo and the trumpet kicks in. It gives me chills.

[VenomVsSpidey]

We seriously disagree there. And I'm much more of a Batman fan than I am Supes.

that doesen't really mean anything, if you're a bigger fan of something than someone else, IMO. I mean, I''m a bigger Williams fan than I am of Don davis, but I liked DD's JP3 score more than TLW. That being said, Neither TLW/JP3 even come Close to being as kickass as the original Jurassic Park score.

Thank God you don't work for Sony.

"I am sorry Mr. Williams but we are declining your request to score this movie because it is beneath you."

:hehe:

I agree, I like Elfman's Batman score more tbh

This is the first time we have ever agreed on something! :wow::awesome::hehe:

Yeah, I prefer Elfman's Batman score as well. I have to crank it up when I first see the WB logo and the trumpet kicks in. It gives me chills.

:heart:
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[Spider-ManHero12]

I agree, I like Elfman's Batman score more tbh I second that. :up:

[Doc Ock]

JW's superman score was good, but elfman's batman scores pwned Supes by a mile.

Definitely, I'm going to go listen to it now.....:awesome:

[terry78]

Danny Elfman's Batman theme basically defines Batman, period. When people hear that theme, they immediately know it's about Batman. The new Bat-Nolan theme is interesting, but you can tell they aped a bit of Elfman's.

[Excelsior.]

Danny Elfman's Batman theme basically defines Batman, period. When people hear that theme, they immediately know it's about Batman. The new Bat-Nolan theme is interesting, but you can tell they aped a bit of Elfman's.

Nolan's Bat doesn't have a theme. It's just a motif thats played when he does something badass.

[mre]

Hmm... I like Superman's theme song much more than Batman's.

[Nightmare]

I liked the Superman theme and soundtrack overall more than Batman.

[BenReilly]

John William's Superman score is leaps and bounds better than any superhero score ever written. I'd even say it's one of the best score's Williams has ever done.

[weezerspider]

William's Superman score and Elfman's Batman score are both iconic. I like the Batman one more, but thats just because I really don't like Superman....at all.

[Alex The Great]

Hm, I wonder if they'lk use the same Spider-Man entrance song thingy. Like,e very time he comes up that music bursts out, you know, with the trumpets and Opera and such. It'll be interesting to see what they'll do with the music.

Anywho, anyone thinking they might make Spider-Man 1 and 2 back to back so that they can make movies whilst the actor is young? (if the go with Peter being 15-16) You don't another High School Musicial mess

[©KAW]

John William's Superman score is leaps and bounds better than any superhero score ever written. I'd even say it's one of the best score's Williams has ever done.I agree it is a great score, I personally think the original Jurassic Park score is his best work. But he just has so many freakin' iconic scores it's hard to choose from.

The Elfman's Batman score doesn't give off the vibe of dark and serious to me, that's so prevalent with Batman. If I had to describe Danny Elfman's Batman score in one word it would be..."WHIMSICAL". If I had to describe John Williams' Superman score in one word it would be..."EPIC."

[BenReilly]

I agree it is a great score, I personally think the original Jurassic Park score is his best work. But he just has so freakin' iconic scores it's hard to choose from.

The Elfman's Batman score doesn't give off the vibe of dark and serious to me, that's so prevalent with Batman. If I had to describe Danny Elfman's Batman score in one word it would be..."WHIMSICAL". If I had to describe John Williams' Superman score in one word it would be..."EPIC."

Don't get me wrong, I adore Elfman's Batman score but it's really hard to top William's work on Superman, but like you said, the man has written so many iconic pieces of music and themes, it really is hard to choose...

[Oscorp]

This is the first time we have ever agreed on something! :wow::awesome::hehe:

Haha I think we agree to more, like, Spidey rules :P

And even though we may have very different tastes, at least I like Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 as pure entertainment :P But I have hopes that the reboot will be even better (if they don't base it too much off Ultimate Spider-Man, that is) :)

[david icke]

William's Superman score and Elfman's Batman score are both iconic. I like the Batman one more, but thats just because I really don't like Superman....at all.

I find it interesting that earlier you assumed people were biased in their opinion on certain superhero movies due to being attached to certain characters, whereas you're doing that exactly here, and no-one else had gave any indication of doing so.

and the John William's Superman score is the only superhero score that is truly iconic, you play that tune to any joe schmo in the street and they will know what theme tune it is, it's as iconic as his Star Wars theme. You play the Danny Elfman Batman theme to joe schmo in the street and the chances are they wouldn't know what the hell it was.

I have to say, I wouldn't be too into John williams doing another superhero score, he is ones of the greats for sure, but his s/tracks have a very distinctive flavour to them, and I'd prefer that was kept for the Superman movie/s. edit: and I think the score for SMTM is the best superhero movie score so far.
I think he would probably feel the same way about doing another superhero movie, surely he would have done one by now if he was into doing it. I'm sure I read he was asked by Raimi to do spidey but said he was busy, whether true or not, I'm glad he didn't do it.
At first I thought the Elfman Spidey theme was not that great, but i like it now, and all the other themes he came up with, esp the Goblin theme.
Yes, the main Spider-man theme is somewhat reminiscent of the Batman theme, but the other themes don't give off the same kind of feeling you get when sitting watching an elfman scored Batman.
Unlike what I think would happen if Williams scored another superhero movie.

I think Williams can over stretch himself and get repetitive too though. There's a theme in one of the Harry Potters Williams scored, used when they are playing Quidditch, that is almost exactly the same as the chase music he used for Attack of the Clones during the Coruscant flying car sequence.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Haha I think we agree to more, like, Spidey rules :P

And even though we may have very different tastes, at least I like Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 as pure entertainment :P But I have hopes that the reboot will be even better (if they don't base it too much off Ultimate Spider-Man, that is) :)

:up:

I'm hoping for the best

[weezerspider]

I find it interesting that earlier you assumed people were biased in their opinion on certain superhero movies due to being attached to certain characters, whereas you're doing that exactly here, and no-one else had gave any indication of doing so.



I'm not doing what I said I was against. I said I was against people claiming Spiderman is the best superhero movie because Spiderman is their favorite. I never said they shouldn't like Spiderman the best. In fact, I said its perfectly acceptable for them to like it better. I never said the Batman theme was better. I said I liked it better because I like Batman better. If you said "I like Spiderman 2 better than TDK because I like Spiderman better", I'd be fine with that. I'm against people's bias opinions claiming Spiderman 2 IS better than the TDK. I never said the batman theme was better than the superman one. I said I liked the Batman one more because I don't like Superman. I like Iron Man better than the X-men, therefore I like the Iron Man movie better than, say X2, but if you ask my unbiased opionion, I'd say X2 was the better film.

[spider-neil]

I'm against people's bias opinions claiming Spiderman 2 IS better than the TDK.

if someone did say that that's their opinion and it carries no more or no less weight than your opinon or even a top critic's opinion.

[david icke]

I'm not doing what I said I was against. I said I was against people claiming Spiderman is the best superhero movie because Spiderman is their favorite. I never said they shouldn't like Spiderman the best. In fact, I said its perfectly acceptable for them to like it better. I never said the Batman theme was better. I said I liked it better because I like Batman better. If you said "I like Spiderman 2 better than TDK because I like Spiderman better", I'd be fine with that. I'm against people's bias opinions claiming Spiderman 2 IS better than the TDK. I never said the batman theme was better than the superman one. I said I liked the Batman one more because I don't like Superman. I like Iron Man better than the X-men, therefore I like the Iron Man movie better than, say X2, but if you ask my unbiased opionion, I'd say X2 was the better film.

Ok, but that was not too clear in your other post. The earlier post carried the implication that you did not like the Superman theme because you did not like the character.
So, you're saying you do think the Superman theme is the better piece of music , but you like the Batman theme more because you like Batman? Ok, fair enough.
I can understand that to an extent with movies, but with theme tunes, lol, I dunno, it's a piece of music, you're not watching your hero doing his hero thing that you enjoyed in the books so much, and have waited years to see onscreen.
I always thought a piece of music moved you the way it moved you, no matter where it came from.
Like, The Doors are my fav band, but I don't like their weakest song over say, a Who song that I like , despite not liking the Who much as a band.

I suppose you might imagine you're Batman while listening to it as opposed to Superman though, which is probably safer, although not by much depending on where you are and what kind of situation you are in, lol.

[Batspider77]

if someone did say that that's their opinion and it carries no more or no less weight than your opinon or even a top critic's opinion.

I´m even one of these who says that without Leadgers dead TDK would hardly have bigger Numbers then Batman Begins.

[Spider-ManHero12]

if someone did say that that's their opinion and it carries no more or no less weight than your opinon or even a top critic's opinion. Agreed.

My opinion -

SPider-Man 2 (2004) IS better than TDK.

[The Joker]

I´m even one of these who says that without Leadgers dead TDK would hardly have bigger Numbers then Batman Begins.

That is an absurd opinion. The hype for TDK was through the roof way before Ledger's death.

[craigdbfan]

I´m even one of these who says that without Leadgers dead TDK would hardly have bigger Numbers then Batman Begins.

To those people I say "Where you paying attention to TDK marketing campaign and all the hype behind it beforehand?".

[El Payaso]

I´m even one of these who says that without Leadgers dead TDK would hardly have bigger Numbers then Batman Begins.

It'd still be a better movie though.

[weezerspider]

You guys are so ridiculous. Ledger's Joker hype hit everyone, not just fan-boys on December 14, 2007, the day I Am Legend was released along with the TDK trailer. Yahoo.com's top 10 searches that day and the day after included "Heath Ledger" "The Joker" and "New Batman Movie". This was over a month before Heath died. Again, showing your blind biased opinion towards Spidey films over Batman films. You have to make up some excuse to why everyone loves TDK.

[weezerspider]

Ok, but that was not too clear in your other post. The earlier post carried the implication that you did not like the Superman theme because you did not like the character.
So, you're saying you do think the Superman theme is the better piece of music , but you like the Batman theme more because you like Batman? Ok, fair enough.
I can understand that to an extent with movies, but with theme tunes, lol, I dunno, it's a piece of music, you're not watching your hero doing his hero thing that you enjoyed in the books so much, and have waited years to see onscreen.
I always thought a piece of music moved you the way it moved you, no matter where it came from.
Like, The Doors are my fav band, but I don't like their weakest song over say, a Who song that I like , despite not liking the Who much as a band.

I suppose you might imagine you're Batman while listening to it as opposed to Superman though, which is probably safer, although not by much depending on where you are and what kind of situation you are in, lol.

You just proved my point. A great movie is a great movie. For everyone's knowledge, I consider SPIDERMAN my favorite hero, yet basing an unbiased opinion on two different films, TDK is miles ahead of Spiderman 2 regardless of the fact that I like Spiderman better. You say look at music strictly as music, I say look at a movie strictly as a movie. I don't like Asylums, I don't care much for Leonardo Decaprio, but Shutter Island was a great movie.

[weezerspider]

Agreed.

My opinion -

SPider-Man 2 (2004) IS better than TDK.


Gaurentee you, if I had made the EXACT same movie as Spiderman 2 except I changed the names of the characters and had a Generic superhero and a Generic super-villian you wouldn't think that.

Again, try looking at a film without your personal tastes and personal opinions. Look at it as a movie. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Spider-Fan]

Ledger being dead didn't boost Immagorium of Dr. Parnassus BO sales. If TDK made all its money on Ledger being dead and loved, should that film have made money off it too? It is the last Ledger footage.

TDK was great. People loved it. It made money. That seems logical to me.

[rocco2216]

Agreed.

My opinion -

SPider-Man 2 (2004) IS better than TDK.

You may have enjoyed Spider-man 2 more, but in terms of quality TDK was better. Not saying Spider-Man 2 was a bad movie by any means, just not better in quality overall. Now the action in Spider-Man 2 was slightly better though I'll give you that.

[kickass]

TDK kicks every spiderman film's ass anyday.

[zeptron]

You guys are so ridiculous. Ledger's Joker hype hit everyone, not just fan-boys on December 14, 2007, the day I Am Legend was released along with the TDK trailer. Yahoo.com's top 10 searches that day and the day after included "Heath Ledger" "The Joker" and "New Batman Movie". This was over a month before Heath died. Again, showing your blind biased opinion towards Spidey films over Batman films. You have to make up some excuse to why everyone loves TDK.

Spot on. The hype was through the roof for the movie ever since the fist teaser trailer was released in December.

Heath's death certainly boosted publicity for the movie, but not nearly to the extent that some claim.

[DACMAN]

Ledger being dead didn't boost Immagorium of Dr. Parnassus BO sales. If TDK made all its money on Ledger being dead and loved, should that film have made money off it too? It is the last Ledger footage.



Very good point.

[DACMAN]

Haha I think we agree to more, like, Spidey rules :P

And even though we may have very different tastes, at least I like Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 as pure entertainment :P But I have hopes that the reboot will be even better (if they don't base it too much off Ultimate Spider-Man, that is) :)

They've already said it is based on the Ultimate comics. I couldn't be happier.

http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16808

http://www.superherohype.com/news/spider-mannews.php?id=9001

The touchstone for the new movie will not be the 1960s comics, which were the inspiration behind the movies by Raimi, who grew on up on them, but rather this past decade’s “Ultimate Spider-Man” comics by Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Bagley where the villain-fighting took a back seat to the high school angst.


Life is good.

http://www.jkrweb.com/comics/images/ultimate-spider-man_sm.jpg

[david icke]

You just proved my point. A great movie is a great movie. For everyone's knowledge, I consider SPIDERMAN my favorite hero, yet basing an unbiased opinion on two different films, TDK is miles ahead of Spiderman 2 regardless of the fact that I like Spiderman better. You say look at music strictly as music, I say look at a movie strictly as a movie. I don't like Asylums, I don't care much for Leonardo Decaprio, but Shutter Island was a great movie.

lol, who said I was trying to disprove your point? It's a fairly obvious point to make. I have my own examples, I mean, I had a better time at the pics watching Spider-man 3 than I did watching 1, but I understand that 1 is the best crafted out of all 3 movies, certainly better crafted than 3, and technically is the better film.

What you are doing is assuming when folk list their fav movies on the site, they are always voting with their heart instead of their head, this might be true, but that does not mean they are not aware that they are doing so and can appraciate that such and such is a better 'movie'.
I fear you are underestimating people, and perhaps overestimating your own perceptions. Folk don't need to go to film-school to understand this for themselves.

[david icke]

Gaurentee you, if I had made the EXACT same movie as Spiderman 2 except I changed the names of the characters and had a Generic superhero and a Generic super-villian you wouldn't think that.

Again, try looking at a film without your personal tastes and personal opinions. Look at it as a movie. Nothing more, nothing less.

and this is the kind of thing I was talking about in my last response to you. You're being incredibly patronising.
I can see why someone would prefer Spider-man 2 to TDK, yes, even on a purely robotic technical level. For one, compare the fight scenes in both movies. SM2 has what is probably regarded as the most successful superhero/villan fight onscreen, whereas you get a lot of folk complaining about Nolan's Batman fights technically, it's a constant gripe.

There's nothing wrong with SM2 on a technical level, personally, I take points off it for story reasons, not technical.

It's also down to personal taste regarding what is the better made movie, if in fact both have their flaws. There is no perfect superhero movie, well, comicbook adapted one, I would say Unbreakable was an almost perfect superhero movie, in fact it's what I would call a masterpiece. And even then I would accept someone's opinion that it was not a perfectly made movie in their eyes, especially if they presented reasons why. But, it might just not suit their personal taste, it might be a little slow for them for example.

[kickass]

I am extremely excited for this Spider-Man reboot.

I was never really a fan of Raimi's take.
And at heart, I am a bigger Batman fan :D

It's not that I hate the previous 3 films, I just don't care for them.

I love the idea of Peter Parker back in school - lots of room and opportunities for character development! I think it could be not just a fun action film we can all enjoy because of its witt and action - but a great little character study :)

[mre]

Ledger being dead didn't boost Immagorium of Dr. Parnassus BO sales. If TDK made all its money on Ledger being dead and loved, should that film have made money off it too? It is the last Ledger footage.

It's been 2 years, people either moved on, or forgot.
Heath died 6 months before TDK (which people were already pretty stoked for) came out. His death boosting sales of a film is not going to get much of a second wave 2 years later.

[kickass]

Another thing that they could do in this new reboot is prolong the effects the spider bite has on Peter.....in the first film everything was sudden and quick...but in this new story we can have Peter Parker have trouble adjusting to his new growing powers (they would get stronger gradually) each week or day.....

would make room for lots of great scenes and comic relief there.

I just dont want him to be a pro at everything and used to all his new powers by the first act of the film - he should be new and confused about everything right up to the very end. and even then, his biggest battle in the end should be the biggest test he passes.

UNLESS they do a story where Peter Parker is already spiderman and has been for a year now and we get flashbacks of his orgin or something.

[©KAW]

UNLESS they do a story where Peter Parker is already spiderman and has been for a year now and we get flashbacks of his origin or something.Which is more than likely to happen.

[kickass]

Which is more than likely to happen.


has there been any indication or hint of that?

[VenomVsSpidey]

would make room for lots of great scenes and comic relief there.



We're not allowed to have those anymore.:o

[Spider-ManHero12]

Again, try looking at a film without your personal tastes and personal opinions. Look at it as a movie. Nothing more, nothing less. People perfer different types of films. I mean, do you really think we are being biased? So, we can't perfer the S-M films over Nolan's Bat films? Now that is odd. I'll look at it as a movie, and I still perfer the S-M films, and I'm not being biased. Don't get me wrong, TDK was an amazing movie, and it's the best Batman movie to date, but I still perfer the Spider-Man movies. People have a different taste in things no matter which way you view a film as in terms of quality. It's all just opinions.

I'm starting to get annoyed with the fact that people think that if you perfer another superhero film over TDK, then you are being biased. It seems as though people are thinking way to into this.

[VenomVsSpidey]

It's another attack of the crazy batfans :o

[Deaths Head II]

I like Batman more then Iron Man as a superhero, but I prefer Iron Man over the The Dark Knight because I felt it juggled all the elements of a superhero film perfectly. Everyone has different tastes. Different things appeal to different people. There is no objectively better super hero film.

[©KAW]

has there been any indication or hint of that?Someone did tweet (from some insider or entertainment website) that the movie would start off with Peter being Spider-Man from day one.

Someone here may actually know where to find that tweet/comment, if you do, play nice and pull it up.

[redfirebird2008]

People perfer different types of films. I mean, do you really think we are being biased? So, we can't perfer the S-M films over Nolan's Bat films? Now that is odd. I'll look at it as a movie, and I still perfer the S-M films, and I'm not being biased. Don't get me wrong, TDK was an amazing movie, and it's the best Batman movie to date, but I still perfer the Spider-Man movies. People have a different taste in things no matter which way you view a film as in terms of quality. It's all just opinions.

I'm starting to get annoyed with the fact that people think that if you perfer another superhero film over TDK, then you are being biased. It seems as though people are thinking way to into this.

Well said. There is no right or wrong. It is a completely subjective matter. The ironic thing is that it even goes on within Nolan's Batman franchise itself. Lots of people insist TDK is better than BB, but there are still plenty of people who prefer BB. Despite being in the same franchise, they are pretty different from a storytelling/structure standpoint. I personally like them about the same but for very different reasons.

[david icke]

Someone did tweet (from some insider or entertainment website) that the movie would start off with Peter being Spider-Man from day one.

Someone here may actually know where to find that tweet/comment, if you do, play nice and pull it up.

iirc It was Drew McWeeny's twitter that said he'd read the script and that Spidey was on the job from the go. Someone posted the quote on this forum somewhere, and a link to Drew McWeeny's twitter, he is a writer on the hitflix site.
I can't access twitter on this computer, I always have to just shut down my window as it never loads right and then the computer doesn't respond. So, someone else will have to have a look for it.

[kickass]

iirc It was Drew McWeeny's twitter that said he'd read the script and that Spidey was on the job from the go. Someone posted the quote on this forum somewhere, and a link to Drew McWeeny's twitter, he is a writer on the hitflix site.
I can't access twitter on this computer, I always have to just shut down my window as it never loads right and then the computer doesn't respond. So, someone else will have to have a look for it.

Who the hell wrote the script?
And that fast?

I'm looking for him on Twitter, but his name don't show up in the search :(

[Pac-Master]

Here it is again: I've talked to several people who have read it now, and word is, he's Spider-Man from page one.
http://twitter.com/DrewAtHitFix/status/7968824667

[©KAW]

Thanks pacmaster3000 for pulling that up.

[©KAW]

Who the hell wrote the script?
And that fast?

I'm looking for him on Twitter, but his name don't show up in the search :(Sony hired the scriptwriter (James Vanderbilt/ZODIAC) during SM3 (2007).

[Pac-Master]

Thanks pacmaster3000 for pulling that up.

No problem.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well said. There is no right or wrong. It is a completely subjective matter. The ironic thing is that it even goes on within Nolan's Batman franchise itself. Lots of people insist TDK is better than BB, but there are still plenty of people who prefer BB. Despite being in the same franchise, they are pretty different from a storytelling/structure standpoint. I personally like them about the same but for very different reasons. Exactly.

[kickass]

Sony hired the scriptwriter (James Vanderbilt/ZODIAC) during SM3 (2007).

Thanks, KAW!

So why would they hire someone to pen Spider-Man Reboot DURING the 3rd film? How early has an idea for a reboot even been on the table?

And judging its from the dude who penned Zodiac...........
is this new Spidey meant to be taken a bit more serious or darker than the previous trilogy?

[©KAW]

Thanks, KAW!

So why would they hire someone to pen Spider-Man Reboot DURING the 3rd film? How early has an idea for a reboot even been on the table?

And judging its from the dude who penned Zodiac...........
is this new Spidey meant to be taken a bit more serious or darker than the previous trilogy?Actually, the script that he wrote was TWO scripts in one meant for SM5/SM6. And Raimi was to direct SM4. But they kicked Raimi out, and moved the reboot up, using the SM5/SM6 script for the reboot, Part 1 and Part 2. Yes, the sequel to the reboot is already written.

[kickass]

Actually, the script that he wrote was TWO scripts in one meant for SM5/SM6. And Raimi was to direct SM4. But they kicked Raimi out, and moved the reboot up, using the SM5/SM6 script for the reboot, Part 1 and Part 2. Yes, the sequel to the reboot is already written.


So............are the previous films gonna be ignored in the timeline and events of the new story or are they tweaking SM5 as a new origin story?

In other words, this new film should NOT be considered SM5?

[VenomVsSpidey]

basically, forget all about the raimi franchise. it, sadly starts all-over again.

[SpeterMan3]

So............are the previous films gonna be ignored in the timeline and events of the new story or are they tweaking SM5 as a new origin story?

In other words, this new film should NOT be considered SM5?
Ignored. And what about 4? You can't go from 3 to 5. Unless you're talking about the sequel.

[Immortalfire]

basically, forget all about the raimi franchise. it, sadly starts all-over again.

This reboot stuff is gonna bite Hollywood in the proverbial ass one day. And I'm gonna laugh when it does.

[VenomVsSpidey]

This reboot stuff is gonna bite Hollywood in the proverbial ass one day. And I'm gonna laugh when it does.

:up:


I;ll be right there with you:cwink:

[VenomVsSpidey]

Ignored. And what about 4? You can't go from 3 to 5. Unless you're talking about the sequel.

:hehe:

Raimi : How did we go from spider-man 3 to a reboot, to spider-man 5?
Sony : well...the reboot didn't go as well as we hoped...truce?

Raimi : :dry::whatever:

[Immortalfire]

For real :hehe:

[SpeterMan3]

Haha, that would be amazingly funny. But not surprising...

[VenomVsSpidey]

:hehe:

I'd still see it...maybe :o

[SpeterMan3]

Ha, I'd still see it no matter what. But I'd have a disapproving expression on my face.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Ha, I'd still see it no matter what. But I'd have a disapproving expression on my face.

Same. But it'd be more along the lines of :huh: as we went from a peter parker who learned that all human beings are flawed, that then switched to learning with great power, then back to tobey again.

[©KAW]

It was freakin' hilarious, Tobey Maguire was talking about evolving Peter Parker...thinking SM4 was still on...while we were all looking at the Press Release that they're all fired.

HaHa...I couldn't be happier. :)

[Immortalfire]

With great power, comes reboots.

[SpeterMan3]

Same. But it'd be more along the lines of :huh: as we went from a peter parker who learned that all human beings are flawed, that then switched to learning with great power, then back to tobey again.

Totally lol. Ha, the open the movie with Tobey waking up and it turns out the whole last movie was just a dream... or illusion of Mysterio, lol.

[VenomVsSpidey]

With great power, comes reboots.

and great failures. when we see goblin-hulk, you cannot imagine how :awesome::hehe: I'll be at that fail.

It was freakin' hilarious, Tobey Maguire was talking about evolving Peter Parker...thinking SM4 was still on...while we were all looking at the Press Release that they're all fired.

HaHa...I couldn't be happier. :)

cool story bro.

Totally lol. Ha, the open the movie with Tobey waking up and it turns out the whole last movie was just a dream... or illusion of Mysterio, lol.

:hehe:

woah...maybe, just MAYBE, we could say the original three + reboot + sm5 = clone saga?....nah, that'd be rude to the clone saga :o

[Immortalfire]

and great failures. when we see goblin-hulk, you cannot imagine how :awesome::hehe: I'll be at that fail.


That's what I fear, as there are few things I hate more than Ultimate Marvel. :doh:

[SpeterMan3]

It was freakin' hilarious, Tobey Maguire was talking about evolving Peter Parker...thinking SM4 was still on...while we were all looking at the Press Release that they're all fired.

HaHa...I couldn't be happier. :)
I think he knew. That's why he kept saying the same exact, vague thing every time someone asked him about the movie. Speculation of course, as is almost anything we say here...

[VenomVsSpidey]

That's what I fear, as there are few things I hate more than Ultimate Marvel. :doh:

Oh, I'm right there with you. I mean it kinda started out nice....and it just went down the crapper

[©KAW]

I think he knew. That's why he kept saying the same exact, vague thing every time someone asked him about the movie. Speculation of course, as is almost anything we say here...
They always say the exact/vague thing about Spider-Man, him and Raimi.

[Spider-ManHero12]

This reboot stuff is gonna bite Hollywood in the proverbial ass one day. And I'm gonna laugh when it does. Very true, and I'll laugh as well. :up:

[SpeterMan3]

They always say the exact/vague thing about Spider-Man, him and Raimi.

I know, but something about it seemed extra fake to me. And how would he not know that Superman hit? I'd think someone playing Spider-Man would know that Superman would hit something/ someone.


:awesome:

[VenomVsSpidey]

I know, but something about it seemed extra fake to me. And how would he not know that Superman hit? I'd think someone playing Spider-Man would know that Superman would hit something/ someone.


:awesome:

:hehe:

[david icke]

They always say the exact/vague thing about Spider-Man, him and Raimi.


lol, somehow I'm thinking that description could be applied to someone else who immediately springs to mind.

[©KAW]

But I didn't get fired.

[david icke]

But I didn't get fired.

lol, well you might get an infraction if you're not careful, considering your cute little Superman 'hit' just got deleted by a mod.

[kickass]

I thought you peeps would be happy with a reboot or a new direction anyway.

why all the hate?

I'm excited :D

[VenomVsSpidey]

because it was completely uneeded probably?

Reboots should be reserved for franchises that are:

Dead - ones that have been killed by a particularly awful film. How do you determine that they were killed? By a combination of audience reaction, box-office receipts, and critical reception.
Dormant for many years - Let’s face it, no one was lining up for the sequel to Star Trek: Nemesis or Batman and Robin. These films essentially killed their “brands”, and as a result those franchises laid dormant for many years.
Now, no matter what anybody thinks of the Sam Raimi directed Spider-Man trilogy, no one could ever accuse the latest film of killing the franchise or that the franchise was laying dormant due to overall uninterest by the general public. Sure, Spider-Man 3 was flawed. But it didn’t kill the franchise. $336 million domestically, $890 million international, an overall grade of 63% on RottenTomatoes, and a mixed reception by the public will attest to this fact.
Plus, if Spider-Man 3 had killed the franchise, then the public’s interest in Spider-Man 4 wouldn’t have been as high as it was while the film was in development. Searches on the ‘Net for info on the film went through the ROOF during the Black-Cat casting reports just weeks before Sony pulled the plug on the film. In fact, for two days in a row, Spider-Man 4 was in the top five of “What’s trending now?” while the character of Black Cat was in the top ten for four days straight. In our ADD-riddled society, that’s saying something. For the past few years, Spidey’s been enjoying a popularity that even Batman and Superman can only dream of and hope for. Yet, Sony still put out the story that this was a “creative decision”.

And to sony, that’s all Spidey is: a product. One to be churned out, exploited, and cashed in on.

[zeptron]

I'm not expecting much improvement especially now that I'm hearing that the villains are gonna take a backseat to drama.

Opinion of Raimi's Spider-Man seems to have been by skewed by Spider-Man 3, but I remember what the reaction was when the second one hit cinemas. The biggest criticism on message boards was that it focused too much on Peter and MJ and not enough on Spider-man. (and personally I think it could made more use of Doctor Octopus). Because despite what people seem to think Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy weren't 'villain-centric', he actually called for a villain to be dropped from each of the first 2 films (Doc Ock in the first, the Lizard in the second) so he could focus more on Peter's story and his relationship with MJ.

If the villains take any more of a back seat than they did in Spider-Man 1 or 2 or worse than they did in 3, then I can't see it being very well received by the wider audiences, there will be calls for less romance and more violence.

[kickass]

Uneeded doesn't mean this film will be bad, though.

Everything and everyone involved in the film makes me very excited.

I couldn't care any less for Raimi's bubblegum pop, never have and never will.

Personally, I love the direction their going in.

[©KAW]

Financially, it may have been good, but creatively, the Spider-Man movies were dead. Not even screenwriters knew what to do with this thing. It just goes to show you that having a small scope of what Spider-Man should be and not having a clear vision for future films...can run even a 2.5 Billion dollar franchise into the ground.

It couldn't come soon enough for me. Raimi shot himself in the foot the day these films were all about a girl. All the vast supporting characters, villains and story arcs and this fool makes it all about a GIRL. :doh:

[Iceman]

because it was completely uneeded probably?


Reboots should be reserved for franchises that are:

Dead - ones that have been killed by a particularly awful film. How do you determine that they were killed? By a combination of audience reaction, box-office receipts, and critical reception.
Dormant for many years - Let’s face it, no one was lining up for the sequel to Star Trek: Nemesis or Batman and Robin. These films essentially killed their “brands”, and as a result those franchises laid dormant for many years.
Now, no matter what anybody thinks of the Sam Raimi directed Spider-Man trilogy, no one could ever accuse the latest film of killing the franchise or that the franchise was laying dormant due to overall uninterest by the general public. Sure, Spider-Man 3 was flawed. But it didn’t kill the franchise. $336 million domestically, $890 million international, an overall grade of 63% on RottenTomatoes, and a mixed reception by the public will attest to this fact.
Plus, if Spider-Man 3 had killed the franchise, then the public’s interest in Spider-Man 4 wouldn’t have been as high as it was while the film was in development. Searches on the ‘Net for info on the film went through the ROOF during the Black-Cat casting reports just weeks before Sony pulled the plug on the film. In fact, for two days in a row, Spider-Man 4 was in the top five of “What’s trending now?” while the character of Black Cat was in the top ten for four days straight. In our ADD-riddled society, that’s saying something. For the past few years, Spidey’s been enjoying a popularity that even Batman and Superman can only dream of and hope for. Yet, Sony still put out the story that this was a “creative decision”.

And to sony, that’s all Spidey is: a product. One to be churned out, exploited, and cashed in on.Couldn't agree more on reboots in general (not just for Spidey).

Financially, it may have been good, but creatively, the Spider-Man movies were dead. Not even screenwriters knew what to do with this thing. It just goes to show you that having a small scope of what Spider-Man should be and not having a clear vision for future films...can run even a 2.5 Billion dollar franchise into the ground.

It couldn't come soon enough for me. Raimi shot himself in the foot the day these films were all about a girl. All the vast supporting characters, villains and story arcs and this fool makes it all about a GIRL. :doh:I'll admit that the 'all about a girl' opener cheapens the whole trilogy.

[Parker Wayne]

Raimi also killed off the big 3 (Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, and Venom), which really hurt them for the future because they provided some of the best storylines that one film appearance wouldn't justify.

[©KAW]

Yeah, Green Goblin/Norman Osborn should have died in SM3. Think about the character development SM1-SM3. Doc Ock shouldn't have died at all. Even Eddie Brock should have been kept alive, just seperated from the symbiote. Bad decision making, just bad.

[Doctor Jones]

But why would we want or need to see them again?

[©KAW]

As for GG/Doc Ock they're great characters, they rule Spider-Man's comic books with great stories, the longer they're around the better. You can go two movies without ever seeing Doc Ock and that fifth film you may want to bring him back, in a different storyline (Master Planner) slick white tucks, bring the badness baby-boy!

[VenomVsSpidey]

Financially, it may have been good, but creatively, the Spider-Man movies were dead. Not even screenwriters knew what to do with this thing. It just goes to show you that having a small scope of what Spider-Man should be and not having a clear vision for future films...can run even a 2.5 Billion dollar franchise into the ground.

If they didn't know what to do then, what makes you think they know what to do now?

[Iceman]

GG & Doc are great villains but I don't want to see them again so soon.

[©KAW]

If they didn't know what to do then, what makes you think they know what to do now?
I guess we'll have to wait and see.

But one thing I do like is that James Vanderbilt has written the script for both the reboot and its sequel. That was suppose to be SM5/SM6. Their stories are connected, which means it's thinking ahead of just ONE film before hand. And I would imagine they'll hire him back to do the third if it's successful.

[chaseter]

Yeah, because they were going to write SM1 and SM2 before even seeing if a major motion picture with Spider-Man in it was going to even be a success. I thought you knew film 101?

[Oscorp]

and great failures. when we see goblin-hulk, you cannot imagine how :awesome::hehe: I'll be at that fail.

Very true, and I'll laugh as well. :up:

Sorry but I just don't get how people, who consider themselves Spidey fans, would laugh at a failure of a movie about...Spider-Man. :huh: I just don't get it, really. I mean, don't you want the best out of him?

Spider-Man is bigger than the director, guys.

[craigdbfan]

Spider-Man is bigger than the director, guys.

Thats probably my biggest concern for this movie. Spider-Man is too much for Webb to handle.

But I don't wish for this to fall apart in anyway. In fact I'm still hoping for the best. I'm I still worried? yes.

Won't let that to completely bog down my expectations. Although I'm really speculative about the entire production and the way Sony is going about it.

[Eggyman]

Sorry but I just don't get how people, who consider themselves Spidey fans, would laugh at a failure of a movie about...Spider-Man. :huh: I just don't get it, really. I mean, don't you want the best out of him?

Spider-Man is bigger than the director, guys.

It's just stupid comments from butthurt fans of Raimi's run. Childish. I'm surprised with Spider-Manhero12, to be honest. He's one of the biggest Spidey fans on the boards and for him to make a comment like that just boggles my mind completely. Very very spiteful. :csad:

[kickass]

I don't know where to post this so I'll post it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYc9k5e6EjI&sns=em

IS THIS OFFICIAL??

[Pac-Master]

I don't know where to post this so I'll post it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYc9k5e6EjI&sns=em

IS THIS OFFICIAL??

No.

[sauronthegreat]

It's very sad how the so called Spider-Man fans have shown their true colors by revealing themselves to be just Raimi fans, who would accept anything that Raimi would have given them related to Spidey, even if that would have been nothing like the Spidey we know.

[kickass]

It's very sad how the so called Spider-Man fans have shown their true colors by revealing themselves to be just Raimi fans, who would accept anything that Raimi would have given them related to Spidey, even if that would have been nothing like the Spidey we know.

I never thought of it like that but now I completely see it.
You're right. Raimi can do no wrong to them and even after SM3, they'd rather him back than anyone else.

Sorry, but after the SM films and even Drag Me To Hell, I'm beginning to think Raimi was just a fluke, and his only worthy film was the first Evil Dead.

Don't shoot, just my humble opinion.
I want fresh blood and a new perspective on this reboot and for these characters.

[Doctor Jones]

Um, no, Raimi has just open up a new doorway for the character in the movies. No, it's not the the exact spot on comic accurate version people here moan about. There's differences, but the integrity and spirit of the chararacter is still there, just made cinematic.

For the record, I completely support Webb and wish him the best of luck and I want this new film to be great. It's just people here seem to be putting too much faith into it. Like all their problems will be fixed and they will get what they want. Right now, I say just be hopeful we get a quality film.

[Pac-Master]

It's very sad how the so called Spider-Man fans have shown their true colors by revealing themselves to be just Raimi fans, who would accept anything that Raimi would have given them related to Spidey, even if that would have been nothing like the Spidey we know.

I think that all this arguing about how this reboot will beat Raimi's films are pointless. Neither side, pro Raimi or anti Raimi, has seen what this film has to offer. I loved Raimi's Spider-Man films, and was eagerly anticipating a fourth, but that doesn't mean that I can decide if this will be a sucky movie yet. And anti Raimi's shouldn't be able to decide if this will be great yet, because of the fact that WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING. We're basically arguing about nothing. The only real things we have to go off of is that it'll be in high school and Marc Webb is directing. Everything else is pure rumors. The only choice we all have is to just wait and see.

[david icke]

It's just stupid comments from butthurt fans of Raimi's run. Childish. I'm surprised with Spider-Manhero12, to be honest. He's one of the biggest Spidey fans on the boards and for him to make a comment like that just boggles my mind completely. Very very spiteful. :csad:

Well, I'm not that surprised tbh, and to an extent don't blame them for posting up frustrated comments like that. They are defensive posts, not offensive, because what has been happening is that a lot of folk who did not like the Raimi films are constantly bashing them and rubbing in their faces the fact that fans will not be getting any more in that continuity. Some folk who are on these boards stick digs into the Raimi series even when it's not really a part of the discussion at hand, and only start posting comments free of bashing when someone calls them on it, then they will go back to bash, bash, bash. It's a pattern you see from certain folk.
edit: and i have seen one poster say they have stayed away from the boards because this negative vibe which has creeped onto the boards, which is a real shame. Anyone who feels that way should just put them on 'ignore' and come back to the boards.
Of course, ideally folk could just temper their comments, and change the frickin' record when it's not relevant to the discussion.


Of course they don't want any Spider-man film to fail. They have just been pushed so far with spiteful comments in the first place, about the fact that the continuity they loved has been discontinued, that they can't help but feel a part of themselves would get some satisfaction out of these folk getting a taste of their own medicine, the medicine of disapointment!

edit: and as has been said above by pacmaster, this kind of thing is pointless, especially at this stage of the game where you cannot compare the two, all it's doing is giving the boards an antagonistic vibe.

[Ajendo]

This is the problem, quite a few people were looking at Rimi and his spidey films through rose-tinted glasses and would bet the ranch along with their mothers as an added bonus that somehow Raimi was/is the only man on Earth that could direct the spidey movies. As absurd a notion as it was, these individuals genuinely believed it so when news of a reboot comes along and Raimi and co are turfed out on their ear, said individuals start crying and hoping for the downfall and failure of this new venture. Now, it wouldn't be such a problem if these people amitted their love is primarilly fo Raimi and co or that they were only interested in spider-man because of Raimi but these people claim to be spider-man fans and this championing for doom and failure is quite pathetic.
Raimi had his run, many people loved it and many people couldn't care for it. Fact is, it's time for someone else to have a go and try and do something new and different. Begrudging that and hoping for failure is idiotic.

[kickass]

This is the problem, quite a few people were looking at Rimi and his spidey films through rose-tinted glasses and would bet the ranch along with their mothers as an added bonus that somehow Raimi was/is the only man on Earth that could direct the spidey movies. As absurd a notion as it was, these individuals genuinely believed it so when news of a reboot comes along and Raimi and co are turfed out on their ear, said individuals start crying and hoping for the downfall and failure of this new venture. Now, it wouldn't be such a problem if these people amitted their love is primarilly fo Raimi and co or that they were only interested in spider-man because of Raimi but these people claim to be spider-man fans and this championing for doom and failure is quite pathetic.
Raimi had his run, many people loved it and many people couldn't care for it. Fact is, it's time for someone else to have a go and try and do something new and different. Begrudging that and hoping for failure is idiotic.


YES thank you! :applaud:woot::highfive:

[david icke]

This is the problem, quite a few people were looking at Rimi and his spidey films through rose-tinted glasses and would bet the ranch along with their mothers as an added bonus that somehow Raimi was/is the only man on Earth that could direct the spidey movies. As absurd a notion as it was, these individuals genuinely believed it so when news of a reboot comes along and Raimi and co are turfed out on their ear, said individuals start crying and hoping for the downfall and failure of this new venture.


This is all BS, and it's very telling that you are new to these boards and did not see how things got out of hand. You are assuming you know everything about the way people think etc, why they are reacting.

There were NO comments about hoping the re-boot would fail until after they had been antagonised by pro-rebooters shoving it in their faces that their continuity had been discontinued.
and even then , these type of comments have been minimal and borne out of frustration.


Now, it wouldn't be such a problem if these people amitted their love is primarilly fo Raimi and co or that they were only interested in spider-man because of Raimi but these people claim to be spider-man fans and this championing for doom and failure is quite pathetic.
Raimi had his run, many people loved it and many people couldn't care for it. Fact is, it's time for someone else to have a go and try and do something new and different. Begrudging that and hoping for failure is idiotic.

Again, you don't know what the hell you are talking about due to the fact of being a newbie.

apart from what I said above, many of these people are hard core fans of the comic-books first and foremost, not the movies.
You are assuming the worst about people, withotu knowing anything.

Oh well, at least you have one supporter above, he's just joined and doesn't know what the hell he's talking about either, so there you go, you can start a little clubhouse called 'The Newbies who know and have seen it all, and will put things to right despite not having a ******-****ing clue what has been going on in the first place. Genuisays only.'

[kickass]

I've been going through posts and reading threads from all over the internet, not just this secluded cave.

It's my undertsanding Raimi lovers hated this idea of a reboot WITHOUT Raimi from the get go. Even tweets I've read on Twitter suggest this.

You speak on behalf of everyone on these boards and boards ONLY?

Don't let my post count dictate my knowledge. Sure, I'm new to posting here, but I wasn't born yesterday (shock, I know) and I have been reading some things here and there from all over the net. I'm reading more and more of it now though and more things point to YES, the crybabies hate the idea of a reboot without thier precious Raimi at the helm.

BOO-HOO.

[SpeterMan3]

Um, no, Raimi has just open up a new doorway for the character in the movies. No, it's not the the exact spot on comic accurate version people here moan about. There's differences, but the integrity and spirit of the chararacter is still there, just made cinematic.

For the record, I completely support Webb and wish him the best of luck and I want this new film to be great. It's just people here seem to be putting too much faith into it. Like all their problems will be fixed and they will get what they want. Right now, I say just be hopeful we get a quality film.

I think that all this arguing about how this reboot will beat Raimi's films are pointless. Neither side, pro Raimi or anti Raimi, has seen what this film has to offer. I loved Raimi's Spider-Man films, and was eagerly anticipating a fourth, but that doesn't mean that I can decide if this will be a sucky movie yet. And anti Raimi's shouldn't be able to decide if this will be great yet, because of the fact that WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING. We're basically arguing about nothing. The only real things we have to go off of is that it'll be in high school and Marc Webb is directing. Everything else is pure rumors. The only choice we all have is to just wait and see.
:up:

And I, for one, don't support the reboot per se, but I don't not support it (huh?). I'm kind of neutral right now. I'm not exactly happy about it because I liked Raimi's films. All three. And I wanted a fourth. But since that's not happening, I'll just have to go with the reboot. I'm not for it but I'm not really against it, since it's kind of pointless to be. I'm going to try to enjoy the movie.

[Ajendo]

This is all BS, and it's very telling that you are new to these boards and did not see how things got out of hand. You are assuming you know everything about the way people think etc, why they are reacting.

Um, anyone who can open their eyes and actually read can see for themselves just how long my account has been active for. One doesn't have to read my posts to determine the longevity of my account. Secondly, I'm not assuming anything. I'm reading and responding to what others have written. It's a simple as that.

There were NO comments about hoping the re-boot would fail until after they had been antagonised by pro-rebooters shoving it in their faces that their continuity had been discontinued.
and even then , these type of comments have been minimal and borne out of frustration.

Um ok wow. How old are you and these child-like minded yahoos?? So your saying, the reasoning and logic for wanting a film series to fail is because others are happy and showcasing their joy at a fresh, new approach and the Raimi lovers aren't too pleased about it?? Looool grow the hell up! This isn't pre-school, honestly did you even read your rather peculiar excuse that you so bravely submitted? What a joke, lacking a rather stringent punchline.



Again, you don't know what the hell you are talking about due to the fact of being a newbie.

:dry: Seriously?:huh:

apart from what I said above, many of these people are hard core fans of the comic-books first and foremost, not the movies.
You are assuming the worst about people, withotu knowing anything.

The irony is, you are the only one that's been making rather dense assumptions, although replying to some of your posts, it's not exactly a mystery why.

Oh well, at least you have one supporter above, he's just joined and doesn't know what the hell he's talking about either, so there you go, you can start a little clubhouse called 'The Newbies who know and have seen it all, and will put things to right despite not having a ******-****ing clue what has been going on in the first place. Genuisays only.'

So your intelligent comeback that simultaneously makes you feel better about yourself no doubt is, to shed light on how you think I'm a newbie?? You must be regarded as a real champion in your small world.

Oh by the way, just to put all your assumptions to rest, I've actually been here longer than you have. Signed up in october 2001 when this place was spidermanhype.com and when posters weren't so childishly and effeminately emotional.

[david icke]

I've been going through posts and reading threads from all over the internet, not just this secluded cave.

It's my undertsanding Raimi lovers hated this idea of a reboot WITHOUT Raimi from the get go. Even tweets I've read on Twitter suggest this.

You speak on behalf of everyone on these boards and boards ONLY?

lol, exactly, so to assume that people on these boards are exactly like the ones you have read on other sites is not intelligent, it's condescending, know it all-know nothing bs.

edit: and yes, I am talking about the people on these boards ONLY. wtf would I assume to know the motives and personalities of people I have never interacted with or read? Oh, of course I suppose that's just a given where you come from, personally I I don't pull that kind of crap.


Don't let my post count dictate my knowledge. Sure, I'm new to posting here, but I wasn't born yesterday (shock, I know) and I have been reading some things here and there from all over the net. I'm reading more and more of it now though and more things point to YES, the crybabies hate the idea of a reboot without thier precious Raimi at the helm.

BOO-HOO.

No, I think it's fair to judge your 'knowledge' about what is going on around here on your post count and join date. Why not?

and we were not talking about whether they would prefer Raimi or not, we were talking about the motives for their remarks in regard to the re-boot's possible failure blowing up in the faces of people who have been shoving it in their faces.

Get it straight pal and don't change the goalposts of the argument when you know you have none. Don't think you can come on here and start telling people who they are.
You were not born yesterday? Dude you sound like a bot who has never been born at all. You assume everyone is the same, which in turn reveals you have a pretty limited viewpoint on people in general, and assume you know it all when you know nothing.
You talk of 'knowledge', dude, you have no knowledge where the matter is concerned here.

[david icke]

Um, anyone who can open their eyes and actually read can see for themselves just how long my account has been active for. One doesn't have to read my posts to determine the longevity of my account. Secondly, I'm not assuming anything. I'm reading and responding to what others have written. It's a simple as that.

and you are assuming you know their minds, and the events that have led to this.



Um ok wow. How old are you and these child-like minded yahoos?? So your saying, the reasoning and logic for wanting a film series to fail is because others are happy and showcasing their joy at a fresh, new approach and the Raimi lovers aren't too pleased about it?? Looool grow the hell up! This isn't pre-school, honestly did you even read your rather peculiar excuse that you so bravely submitted? What a joke, lacking a rather stringent punchline.

I have been here everyday since it was announced, reading all posts , seeing how events transpired, first hand witness pal, unlike yourself.


The irony is, you are the only one that's been making rather dense assumptions, although replying to some of your posts, it's not exactly a mystery why.

Dude, as i said, I'm a first hand witness to how things panned out, again , there were *NO* comments from Raimi fans about how they would like to see the re-boot's failure would blow up in certain faces, until they were pushed by pro-re-booters by shoving the re-boot news in their faces.

btw, you have come on the boards and tried to start up arguments right off, you have a cheek to question anyone's intelligence or motives being sound.
but, that's ok, your type of fragile ego always does, and they *never* prove otherwise.

So your intelligent comeback that simultaneously makes you feel better about yourself no doubt is, to shed light on how you think I'm a newbie?? You must be regarded as a real champion in your small world.

Oh by the way, just to put all your assumptions to rest, I've actually been here longer than you have. Signed up in october 2001 when this place was spidermanhype.com and when posters weren't so childishly and effeminately emotional.

Have you been here on these particular boards every day since the news was announced? Have you read every post? Because if you have not, you are a newbie to the situation and do not know what the hell you are talking about, You're assuming the worst about people, and revealing the worst about yourself in turn.

lol , at the childish and effeminate comments, dude you smell like a guy who has come on here to join in the bashing, rather than sober discusion between fans. Your post in the Kraven thread suggested that, your next post in here backed up that initial assumption of mine(based on a post, not my imagination or experience elsewhere on the net).

[Ajendo]

A newbie to the situation because I havn't feakishly read every single comment posted on these spidey boards???? looooool wow ok, I'm putting both my hands up and declare myself with much conviction, GUILTY. I just don't have the free time to read every single comment posted on these boards. I blame it on having a life.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well, I'm not that surprised tbh, and to an extent don't blame them for posting up frustrated comments like that. They are defensive posts, not offensive, because what has been happening is that a lot of folk who did not like the Raimi films are constantly bashing them and rubbing in their faces the fact that fans will not be getting any more in that continuity. Some folk who are on these boards stick digs into the Raimi series even when it's not really a part of the discussion at hand, and only start posting comments free of bashing when someone calls them on it, then they will go back to bash, bash, bash. It's a pattern you see from certain folk.
edit: and i have seen one poster say they have stayed away from the boards because this negative vibe which has creeped onto the boards, which is a real shame. Anyone who feels that way should just put them on 'ignore' and come back to the boards.
Of course, ideally folk could just temper their comments, and change the frickin' record when it's not relevant to the discussion.


Of course they don't want any Spider-man film to fail. They have just been pushed so far with spiteful comments in the first place, about the fact that the continuity they loved has been discontinued, that they can't help but feel a part of themselves would get some satisfaction out of these folk getting a taste of their own medicine, the medicine of disapointment!

edit: and as has been said above by pacmaster, this kind of thing is pointless, especially at this stage of the game where you cannot compare the two, all it's doing is giving the boards an antagonistic vibe. Took the words right out of my mouth. Spot on. :up::up::up:

[david icke]

A newbie to the situation because I havn't feakishly read every single comment posted on these spidey boards???? looooool wow ok, I'm putting both my hands up and declare myself with much conviction, GUILTY. I just don't have the free time to read every single comment posted on these boards. I blame it on having a life.

Well, maybe you should not wade into situations you are ignorant of and start belittling people.
I do not throw the internet term 'newbie' around *at all*, but here it was the most relevant term to give to yourself and your friend considering your ignorant assumptions.

[Spider-ManHero12]

It's very sad how the so called Spider-Man fans have shown their true colors by revealing themselves to be just Raimi fans, who would accept anything that Raimi would have given them related to Spidey, even if that would have been nothing like the Spidey we know. Now THAT is completely bulls***, no offense. Once AGAIN, I must ask the question. Why the hell do people think that if we love Raimi's films, we are not actual SPider-Man fans?

We're not going to be like "Oh well, the franchise is over let's hop on the hate bandwagon and hype the new movie automatically without feeling any sadness."

This is why I doubt the bashers will ever get along with people who supported Raimi's franchise. They Make stupid assumptions, acting like they know all about someone. It's funny, peopel question my logic, but never think to look at theirs. Pathetic.

[david icke]

Now THAT is completely bulls***, no offense. Once AGAIN, I must ask the question. Why the hell do people think that if we love Raimi's films, we are not actual SPider-Man fans?

We're not going to be like "Oh well, the franchise is over let's hop on the hate bandwagon and hype the new movie automatically without feeling any sadness."

Dude, you are one of the ones I was talking about, I know you are mad for the comics, a *Spider-man* fan through and through.




This is why I doubt the bashers will ever get along with people who supported Raimi's franchise. They Make stupid assumptions, acting like they know all about someone. It's funny, peopel question my logic, but never think to look at theirs. Pathetic.

Hopefully we can get along a bit better, yes, divisions have appeared, but it is early days, and hopefully when more news comes in we can get more discussion out of that.
Of course there will always be comparisons to the earlier films, that is part of the fun of discussion, but maybe folk can respect what others like, and not assume they know their minds, or that they have the facts of it all.
It's basic human courtesy we're talking about here, respecting other's opinions. edit: and not constantly trying to antagonise folk or bash each other's preferences.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Dude, you are one of the ones I was talking about, I know you are mad for the comics, a *Spider-man* fan through and through. Thanks man. :yay:


Hopefully we can get along a bit better, yes, divisions have appeared, but it is early days, and hopefully when more news comes in we can get more discussion out of that.
Of course there will always be comparisons to the earlier films, that is part of teh fun of discussion, but maybe folk can respect what others like, and not assume they know their minds, or that they have the facts of it all.
It's basic human courtesy we're talking about here, respecting other's opinions.[/ With the 3-4 years I've been here, it's never been a place where people get along. I wish it was. I've had people think I'm annoying, want me banned, think I can never find fault in anything (which is not true), etc. What's funny is, no matter how nice you are to the person who thinks you're not a great poster, they still treat you like crap. I don't think the Hype will ever be a place for a fun discussion. Well, atleast not everywhere on the hype.

I never bash someones opinion unless it's downright bad or offensive. I'll usually say "I disagree". Then, they'll get mean and fall to insulting that person and what they like because they can't say anything else in the arguement.

[Ajendo]

Well, maybe you should not wade into situations you are ignorant of and start belittling people.
I do not throw the internet term 'newbie' around *at all*, but here it was the most relevant term to give to yourself and your friend considering your ignorant assumptions.

Honestly, dude just give up. You're like a circus without a single act. You don't thow around the term, newbie but you dedicated about 3 paragraphs in my honour using the term? Riiiight and my so called "ignorant assumptions" essentially bullied you into using the term, newbie, yet, my comments are based on the comments based and submitted by you and other individuals. Hey, I'm not liying or making this stuff up and the joke is, you've even substantiated my comments by your own admission. Stop wasting both our time, kemosabe. I'm sure there are new comments that have been posted in other threads that you are yet to read and feel the need to have your presense here validated by.

[david icke]

Honestly, dude just give up. You're like a circus without a single act. You don't thow around the term, newbie but you dedicated about 3 paragraphs in my honour using the term? Riiiight and my so called "ignorant assumptions" essentially bullied you into using the term, newbie, yet, my comments are based on the comments based and submitted by you and other individuals. Hey, I'm not liying or making this stuff up and the joke is, you've even substantiated my comments by your own admission. Stop wasting both our time, kemosabe. I'm sure there are new comments that have been posted in other threads that you are yet to read and feel the need to have your presense here validated by.

Dude, you need to stop throwing so many complimens my way, it's getting embaressing.

one,.... I already said *in this case* I used the term 'newbie', so why you think you are discerditing what I said by telling me I have in fact used it in this case, is beyond me, lol.

two,..I was commenting on the motives for the comments and what led to them, not disputing the comments existed.

three,...dude, you have already given up, you just don't realise it yet, but hopefully you will now, and that feeling of straw lightly touching your fingers will dissipate so you can move on to your next thrilling adventure.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Sorry but I just don't get how people, who consider themselves Spidey fans, would laugh at a failure of a movie about...Spider-Man. :huh: I just don't get it, really. I mean, don't you want the best out of him?

Spider-Man is bigger than the director, guys.


No, what I'll be laughing at is hollywood thinking reboots are all the way to go, and for all those pro-rebooters who complain about raimi screwing up the villains.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Um, no, Raimi has just open up a new doorway for the character in the movies. No, it's not the the exact spot on comic accurate version people here moan about. There's differences, but the integrity and spirit of the chararacter is still there, just made cinematic.

For the record, I completely support Webb and wish him the best of luck and I want this new film to be great. It's just people here seem to be putting too much faith into it. Like all their problems will be fixed and they will get what they want. Right now, I say just be hopeful we get a quality film.

exactly how I feel.

[chaseter]

I will laugh at fickle fans jumping ship and then their new ship starts to sink and then they do it again. If you want to talk about fans, those are the most disgusting type.

[VenomVsSpidey]

and that, ladies and gents, is how you do that :awesome:

[©KAW]

I will laugh at fickle fans jumping ship and then their new ship starts to sink and then they do it again. If you want to talk about fans, those are the most disgusting type.
That's because the ship that we were on was already wrecked. I'm not a Sam Raimi or Marc Webb fan, I'm a fan of Spider-Man. Until there's a director who can do this character justice, which I don't think has been done yet. I will keep torpedoing these captain's ships until the sea floor is covered with their twisted metal mangled parts. :funny:

[VenomVsSpidey]

well then, you should hate every comic book movie ever...

[©KAW]

I love The Dark Knight and Iron Man. Changes and all. Yet, there's still plenty to take me back to my reading days when characters stood tall. What makes them interesting to me and puts a smile on my droll face. There is a sense of quality, yeah I know, even within this genre of films, there's an even flow. And I shall not be silent nor shall I hinder, until my beloved Spidey finally comes home. And I don't care if I'm naked and cold, or balled up into a fedal position in the corner of a darken room. The Spider must be born.

[david icke]

That's because the ship that we were on was already wrecked. I'm not a Sam Raimi or Marc Webb fan, I'm a fan of Spider-Man. Until there's a director who can do this character justice, which I don't think has been done yet. I will keep torpedoing these captain's ships until the sea floor is covered with their twisted metal mangled parts. :funny:

Exactly(the part in bold).

I have defended Spider-man 3 to the hilt round here, but I was not keen on the ideas coming out for SM4, I had trust in Raimi, but that trust started to waver the more ideas came out.
Ideally, I would have wanted to hear some brave ideas from him, not going back to settling on a single villan who he had previously wanted to use as a back-up villan in 3.
But, it appears that even if Sony had allowed him free reign, he may not have had the fresh take this franchise needed.
I am not sure about this re-boot either, Ultimate comics influence, perhaps a skimpy budget, but we don't know what is really going on with that apart from who is directing it.
It's all up in the air, we are all SM fans, wtf are all the arguments about? Maybe we should all be used to this kind of thing, but they are making the boards uncomfortable, and repetitive, the same arguments are springing up in all the threads, all the time, no exageration needed. Anyway, I am getting off my soapbox as I have said enough today on the matter.

[chaseter]

double

[chaseter]

Funny that KAW says he is a fan of Spider-Man yet he loves to say how much SM1-3 sucked. He beats down on everything he hates about it, never saying anything he liked about it. Yeah, that sounds like a fan of Spider-Man:up: You are going to keep torpedoing ships because they will never do a movie just to for. You say you hate the changes of Spider-Man but like the changes of TDK and IM. Umk. That is called a double standard. Secondly, every comic, cartoon, and movie after Stan Lee's original run should be seen as horrible according to your standards.

[Doc Ock]

Something I don't seem to understand is why the films need to follow the comics anyways...maybe base some stories off of them, but I view any comic book-based movies and TV shows as an entirely new mythos with some similarities and slight differences. Hence why I am fine with Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer in Raimi's films. But thats me, I love the comics as well as the movies, if the films don't follow the comics its not biggie to me unless it is an extreme and ridiculous change.

[chaseter]

I agree and I have said it a ton of times. Movies are adaptations, not direct translations. That would mean that every Spidey comic, cartoon, and film ever made after Stan's first series would be seen as horrible because they changed some things from the original. Raimi making Doc Ock have a wife doesn't ruin the movie, it doesn't mean it is terrible writing. To then think TDK or Iron Man is the greatest thing since sliced bread but then harp on the changes that Raimi made is hypocritical.

[©KAW]

Funny that KAW says he is a fan of Spider-Man yet he loves to say how much SM1-3 sucked. He beats down on everything he hates about it, never saying anything he liked about it. Yeah, that sounds like a fan of Spider-Man:up: You are going to keep torpedoing ships because they will never do a movie just to for. You say you hate the changes of Spider-Man but like the changes of TDK and IM. Umk. That is called a double standard. Secondly, every comic, cartoon, and movie after Stan Lee's original run should be seen as horrible according to your standards.Spider-Man himself isn't even present in Raimi's films. How do you move on to liking a movie when the title character is no where to be found?

[Venom 1988]

Hence why I am fine with Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer in Raimi's films.

But thats me, I love the comics as well as the movies, if the films don't follow the comics its not biggie to me unless it is an extreme and ridiculous change.

lol wut

[Spider-ManHero12]

lol wut Well, it's not really an extreme change. It's still the same lesson.

[Venom 1988]

Well, it's not really an extreme change. It's still the same lesson.

Of course its an extreme change, its messing with the origin. Same lesson yeah, but now its less valid and ridiculous.

[©KAW]

Don't bother, look at his SIG. Hahahahahahahahaha...:oldrazz:...:hehe:...:woot:

[VenomVsSpidey]

oh god, here we go again:o

is there anything more pointless than this? I call for a organics vs. webshooters argument :awesome:

Spider-Man himself isn't even present in Raimi's films. How do you move on to liking a movie when the title character is no where to be found?

oh god, not enough quips. you know what? batman relied too much on lucius fox in BB/TDK, and not on his detective skills alone. WHERE'S THE GODDAMN BATMAN? That's it - REBOOT :cmad: :rolleyes:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Don't bother, look at his SIG. Hahahahahahahahaha...:oldrazz:...:hehe:...:woot: See? This is exactly what I mean. This is what they fall to. :doh:

[Chris Wallace]

Something I don't seem to understand is why the films need to follow the comics anyways...maybe base some stories off of them, but I view any comic book-based movies and TV shows as an entirely new mythos with some similarities and slight differences. Hence why I am fine with Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer in Raimi's films. But thats me, I love the comics as well as the movies, if the films don't follow the comics its not biggie to me unless it is an extreme and ridiculous change.

What kills me is how so many fans only seem to complain about the deviations in detail when it comes to the SPidey films. It's irritating.

[LegendaryCaleb]

Well, it's not really an extreme change. It's still the same lesson.
it is pretty extreme...i consider altering the origin from sm1 to add a villain is pretty extreme of a change

[©KAW]

oh god, here we go again:o

is there anything more pointless than this? I call for a organics vs. webshooters argument :awesome:
There's already one going on and organics still suck after all these years. :p

oh god, not enough quips. you know what? batman relied too much on lucius fox in BB/TDK, and not on his detective skills alone. WHERE'S THE GODDAMN BATMAN? That's it - REBOOT :cmad: :rolleyes:Here we have a Spider-Man who lets the man who killed Uncle Ben go free and then forgives him, yeah, our friendly neighborhood Dumb-Man just believes the guy who robs banks. And now, he himself doesn't believe that a man should go to jail for killing someone. You just simply forgive them...and let then go free.

A Spider-Man who succumbs to evil and goes after a villain, and kills him in cold blood (in his mind he murdered Sandman). NO will of his own (why am I not surprised), nothing that Uncle Ben has taught him kicks in, he just KILLS. What good is Spider-Man if he can succumb completely to evil...even murder? Now, imagine if Sandman didn't have his powers when Spider-Man found him. The 90's FOX cartoon handled the SYMBIOTE much better in a similar scene with Rhino, and kept the essence of the character intact. Can't say that for the movie Spider-Man.

A Spider-Man with zero personality, it's just Tobey as himself in a suit. He says less words on screen than Batman. The very thing that separates the icon superheroes from one another's persona is gone within this character, in short, he's dead inside. He couldn't hold a conversation to save his life. Nothing witty, charming or entertaining about the core of him. I'm strictly speaking about his character, not what the audience will go and see or find entertaining.

You're going to compare these changes to that of Batman. A Spider-Man that's willing to kill and let killers go free. Uncle Ben's ghost should round house him in the face. I stand by the fact that Sam Raimi knew nothing about what makes Spider-Man tick.

[©KAW]

See? This is exactly what I mean. This is what they fall to. :doh:Well, come one, you're claiming that Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer is NOT an extreme change. On top of that, Spider-Man let him go free and forgave him. Why not just forgive and let every killer/villain go free who says "they didn't mean to do it, it was an accident". He could stop being Spider-Man and start his own church.

And you all wonder why they're REBOOTING.

[chaseter]

So Norman transforming into a hulking monster in USM is not an extreme change? Yet you are happy with the new movie being based off of USM?

Your double standard is so blatantly obvious and your arguments are completely incorrect.

[Silver Knight]

When do you think we will hear some sort of announcement?

[chaseter]

I imagine we will have a definite cast by the end of the year with shooting to start at the end of the year or early next year. That is if they stick with the 2012 release date. They may bump it up to 2011 if they get things rolling, which was when SM4 was going to come out.

[©KAW]

So Norman transforming into a hulking monster in USM is not an extreme change? Yet you are happy with the new movie being based off of USM?

Your double standard is so blatantly obvious and your arguments are completely incorrect.
Have you already read the script for this film, I'd like to know more about it if you have?

I don't like the idea of a Hulk-Lizard type transforming Goblin. Not to mention, the production budget his going to be expensive as hell (180-220M+) if they use him. The Ultimate Goblin won't be to Sony's liking, very much like The Lizard, you won't be able to see the actor's face. So why would they go with such a character? These people seem to be obsessed with showing Spider-Man and the villain's faces.

[Eggyman]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Spot on. :up::up::up:

Yes, it's a good post by David, and yes I knew it already. There has to be some reason for your negativity... BUT, you need to ask yourself this, Do you want to sink to that level and put your fandom second with revenge/spite being paramount? We both know that that isn't you, mate. There's always going to be people who didn't like the Raimi films, and some of those people are not going to articulate their displeasure in a board-friendly way... but please, you shouldn't let that change the great (and positive) poster we've all come to know during our time here. Nobody can ever take the Raimi films away from you, and as long as you love them that should be all that matters to you. There's a new Spidey coming, and he wants to know if you've got his back. Raimi or not, you're a Spidey fan.

[craigdbfan]

My philosophy is basically this.

I loved SM1 and SM2, while SM3 was mediocre (leaning towards bad).

Now they are doing a reboot with Marc Webb and 3D (real stereoscopic thankfully).

As much as I wanted to see Raimi do a good SM4, that wasn't going to happen with Sony and Raimi disagreeing on all levels. Thats not a healthy environment for both parties and in turn gives us, the audience a terrible movie.

With that said I have my reservations about the reboot but I'm still hoping as a general fan of Spider-Man for it to be really good.

Although I'm still incredibly skeptical as to whether or not Webb will fire on all cylinders.

[Oscorp]

No, what I'll be laughing at is hollywood thinking reboots are all the way to go, and for all those pro-rebooters who complain about raimi screwing up the villains.

But still...there's a good chance the reboot will be as good or even better. It's 50/50 for we know almost nothing yet. Okey, I can only speak for myself, but at least I like the idea of a reboot because it can be a fresh take from another director, and because I don't like where Raimi's franchise was going. It's not like people like the idea of a reboot just to piss off fans of Raimi's movies. We just want another version. What's there to laugh about? I didn't laugh because Spider-Man 3 flopped. I hoped for the best, and unfortunately got majorly disappointed. I want the Spider-Man movies to shine no matter who's the director. And now I just see a chance for it to be improved. It's nothing against the Raimi-fans.

[El Payaso]

I agree and I have said it a ton of times. Movies are adaptations, not direct translations. That would mean that every Spidey comic, cartoon, and film ever made after Stan's first series would be seen as horrible because they changed some things from the original. Raimi making Doc Ock have a wife doesn't ruin the movie, it doesn't mean it is terrible writing. To then think TDK or Iron Man is the greatest thing since sliced bread but then harp on the changes that Raimi made is hypocritical.

I agree that things like Octavius having a wife is okay. Now Aunt May's speech about heroes or Peter's love declaration, that's bad writing.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yes, it's a good post by David, and yes I knew it already. There has to be some reason for your negativity... BUT, you need to ask yourself this, Do you want to sink to that level and put your fandom second with revenge/spite being paramount? We both know that that isn't you, mate. There's always going to be people who didn't like the Raimi films, and some of those people are not going to articulate their displeasure in a board-friendly way... but please, you shouldn't let that change the great (and positive) poster we've all come to know during our time here. Nobody can ever take the Raimi films away from you, and as long as you love them that should be all that matters to you. There's a new Spidey coming, and he wants to know if you've got his back. Raimi or not, you're a Spidey fan. I never said I wouldn't be here for the reboot. There's a difference between hating the character and hating the fact that we're getting a reboot. I love SPider-Man always will, but that doesn't mean I should hop on board so quickly for a stupid reboot. YOu guys should know this. I'll have SPidey's back, of course, just like every other fan who supported Raimi's films, but I Still hate the idea of this unnecessary reboot. Terrible idea, actually. Heck, Sony's still on my s*** list.

[Spider-ManHero12]

So Norman transforming into a hulking monster in USM is not an extreme change? Yet you are happy with the new movie being based off of USM?

Your double standard is so blatantly obvious and your arguments are completely incorrect. This. :up:

[VenomVsSpidey]

But still...there's a good chance the reboot will be as good or even better. It's 50/50 for we know almost nothing yet. Okey, I can only speak for myself, but at least I like the idea of a reboot because it can be a fresh take from another director, and because I don't like where Raimi's franchise was going.I didn't laugh because Spider-Man 3 flopped.

well that's fine. I'm not saying it definitely will suck. But I am VERY cautious about sony's micro-managing. But SM3 wasn't a flop. At least, not to me, other fanboys, some critics, and some of the GA. It flopped with some fanboys and critics, yes. But it was still a success.

[Silver Knight]

I imagine we will have a definite cast by the end of the year with shooting to start at the end of the year or early next year. That is if they stick with the 2012 release date. They may bump it up to 2011 if they get things rolling, which was when SM4 was going to come out.

I highly doubt the movie will come out in 2011.

[Doctor Jones]

oh god, here we go again:o

is there anything more pointless than this? I call for a organics vs. webshooters argument :awesome:



oh god, not enough quips. you know what? batman relied too much on lucius fox in BB/TDK, and not on his detective skills alone. WHERE'S THE GODDAMN BATMAN? That's it - REBOOT :cmad: :rolleyes:

My God. So true. I never thought of that before. :funny::up:

[VenomVsSpidey]

My God. So true. I never thought of that before. :funny::up:
:hehe: thanks :woot:

[Jrico24]

Can I throw my own hat in the ring to play Spider-man and see what you guys think ?

http://i1003.photobucket.com/albums/af159/jrico24/Photoon2010-02-28at18482.jpg

http://i1003.photobucket.com/albums/af159/jrico24/Photoon2010-02-28at18493.jpg

[Jrico24]

This project is bitter sweet for me.

[LegendaryCaleb]

I think never in a thousand years.
Not only do you not resemble Parker but you also don't look like you are still in high school...but cool shirt

[DACMAN]

Can I throw my own hat in the ring to play Spider-man and see what you guys think ?

http://i1003.photobucket.com/albums/af159/jrico24/Photoon2010-02-28at18482.jpg

http://i1003.photobucket.com/albums/af159/jrico24/Photoon2010-02-28at18493.jpg

Dude you have to stop spamming your own picture and the fact you have some kind of pipe dream of playing Spider-Man even though you are clearly too old. It's weird, and frankly kind of pathetic.

[El Payaso]

What are you talking about? The haircut is perfect.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Edit -nvm

[Bruce Malone]

What are you talking about? The haircut is perfect.

I'm sure its deliberate on his part. :ikyn

[craigdbfan]

Can I throw my own hat in the ring to play Spider-man and see what you guys think ?

http://i1003.photobucket.com/albums/af159/jrico24/Photoon2010-02-28at18482.jpg

Maybe not Spider-Man/Peter, defintely as Rocky Marciano though.

http://www.beisbox.com/mediac/400_0/media/DIR_70095/DIR_83975/DIR_93125/rocky1.jpg

[El Payaso]

I'm sure its deliberate on his part. :ikyn

Things like that are never coincidental.

[chaseter]

Have you already read the script for this film, I'd like to know more about it if you have?

I don't like the idea of a Hulk-Lizard type transforming Goblin. Not to mention, the production budget his going to be expensive as hell (180-220M+) if they use him. The Ultimate Goblin won't be to Sony's liking, very much like The Lizard, you won't be able to see the actor's face. So why would they go with such a character? These people seem to be obsessed with showing Spider-Man and the villain's faces.

Are you a budget expert now? District 9 used animatronics and cgi and that movie cost less than half of what this reported budget is. Who is to say that GG wouldn't be a suit and animatronics with cg inhancements? I myself prefer that way. It looks much more realistic than the cg department trying to guess what it would look like real.

I do agree that they probably won't go Hulk Goblin but you never know. Studios are a collective group of higherup idiots that know nothing about the thing they are instructing about.

I thought Raimi was the one who made the characters show their face?

[DACMAN]

Well, come one, you're claiming that Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer is NOT an extreme change. On top of that, Spider-Man let him go free and forgave him. Why not just forgive and let every killer/villain go free who says "they didn't mean to do it, it was an accident". He could stop being Spider-Man and start his own church.

And you all wonder why they're REBOOTING.

HAHAHAHA!!!! :D:D :up:up:

[chaseter]

Yeah it's hilarious that one example is seen as complete justification. I got a flat tire on my car, guess I am going to buy a new car!!!

[TheSlag]

I think the better analogy here, considering Raimi screwed up the Core characteristic of the character, as well as totally retcon'd a key aspect in his origin... is... The Motor in your car has a cracked block...

Then one might buy a new car.. or at least drop a new engine in (i.e. REBOOT) :woot:

[chaseter]

In your opinion he screwed up the characteristics. Critics and most fans disagree with you.

With all the reports...as of right now, we traded in a broken car for a new Geo Metro. I don't want a Geo Metro. Fix the awesome broken car or buy something that is equal or better.

No offense to all the Geo Metro drivers out there!:D

[TheSlag]

I couldn't care less about the Critics. Or the so-called fans IF they think he got the characters right.

So which of the characters do YOU think he got right?

GweMJ?...err.. MJ?
Peter?
Gwen?
Green Goblin?
Aunt May?
JJ?

or the worse of all... Spider-Man?

And Rami's Spider-Man is more like a Family Mini Van :woot: LOL.. with the kiddos singin Smurf Songs and playin Candlyland, and yellin.. Are we THERE YET?!?!?!?!

And Spidey.. is no.. "Minivan" :down:

[Doctor Jones]

So now we're "so called fans" if we liked Raimi's Spider-Man? Pfft. If so, now you're just attacking our opinions. You can have yours, I'm fine with that, but for me as a Spider-Man fan I embraced Raimi's vision. I'm not saying you're not if you didn't, but Spider-Man isn't just limited to ONE way of telling him. There are others and there should be others.

And he's called "Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man." The appeal of the character starts at 5 and then at old age. It's everything. I laugh at people who want a more "Mature" Spider-Man. That's what THEY want. The films have dealt with mature themes (SM1 and more so SM2) while maintaining the light spirit of the character, which he always has been. The whole nature shouldn't be mature, just selective things like the themes or some areas in the plot. SM2's whole theme was sacrifice and how we make our decisions. Peter struggles with giving into his desires while trying to maintain the respionsibility destiny has bestowed upon him. Aunt May nailed what Spider-Man has always been about. We sometimes have to give up the thing we want the most. Even our dreams. If that means putting your personal desires out of the way for someone else, so be it. Peter's act in selflessness and putting everyone else before himself is an admirable trait I wish everyone had. He provides and example for people and responsibilities in life. I could go on about it, but I guess that's not mature enough for me to do so.

[TheSlag]

So now we're "so called fans" if we liked Raimi's Spider-Man? Pfft. If so, now you're just attacking our opinions. You can have yours, I'm fine with that, but for me as a Spider-Man fan I embraced Raimi's vision. I'm not saying you're not if you didn't, but Spider-Man isn't just limited to ONE way of telling him. There are others and there should be others.

And he's called "Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man." The appeal of the character starts at 5 and then at old age. It's everything. I laugh at people who want a more "Mature" Spider-Man. That's what THEY want. The films have dealt with mature themes (SM1 and more so SM2) while maintaining the light spirit of the character, which he always has been. The whole nature shouldn't be mature, just selective things like the themes or some areas in the plot. SM2's whole theme was sacrifice and how we make our decisions. Peter struggles with giving into his desires while trying to maintain the respionsibility destiny has bestowed upon him. Aunt May nailed what Spider-Man has always been about. We sometimes have to give up the thing we want the most. Even our dreams. If that means putting your personal desires out of the way for someone else, so be it. Peter's act in selflessness and putting everyone else before himself is an admirable trait I wish everyone had. He provides and example for people and responsibilities in life. I could go on about it, but I guess that's not mature enough for me to do so.

Learn not to take things out of context. I said "Or the so-called fans IF they think he got the characters right". Right from the standpoint of Lee/Ditko's ASM. He did not.

And if anyone cares to think he does, more power to them, but I couldn't care less about "their" opinions, as they hold no merit to me if they think that.

As I have said, I own, and enjoy SM1-3. But I know the characters bear little semblence to the ones I grew up reading and loving in ASM.

[chaseter]

I couldn't care less about the Critics. Or the so-called fans IF they think he got the characters right.

So which of the characters do YOU think he got right?

GweMJ?...err.. MJ?
Peter?
Gwen?
Green Goblin?
Aunt May?
JJ?

or the worse of all... Spider-Man?

And Rami's Spider-Man is more like a Family Mini Van :woot: LOL.. with the kiddos singin Smurf Songs and playin Candlyland, and yellin.. Are we THERE YET?!?!?!?!

And Spidey.. is no.. "Minivan" :down:
It's called an interpretation. Once again, if nothing can be changed after the original created by Lee, then there should never be any other comic series, cartoons, or movies made. Not even video games. :whatever: Not even books.:whatever:

I cannot wait to see if you love this reboot and if they change ONE thing that you like...I am going to never let you forget it.

'So called fans':whatever::whatever::whatever:

[Sam Fisher]

One thing the reboot needs is NO MORE MOPING! I love the three movies, but that's one thing I didn't like.

[©KAW]

I think we should have the animated 'Rolling Eyes Smiley" removed.

[chaseter]

I think we should have the animated 'Rolling Eyes Smiley" removed.

:whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever: :whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever:

[©KAW]

Come on now...TEN of them...doesn't that take up a lot bandwidth or something.

Can you at least remove ONE of them?

[Sam Fisher]

Can we get back on topic?

[SpeterMan3]

:dry:




This is what we're becoming?

I thought I passed this in... actually I'm in high school, where people are still stuck in elementary school. But still...

[Spider-Fan]

Wait, now KAW is complaining about the use of a smiley?

:dry::whatever::dry:

:facepalm:

Seriously, complain about things that matter.

[Sam Fisher]

Exactly.

[Spider-Fan]

I think everyone should use the max amount of :whatever: smileys now...cause complaining about them is stupid :whatever:

[SpeterMan3]

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk207/SpeterMan3/ilovehaters.jpg




So yeah.. about that reboot?

[Spider-Fan]

Yes. The ever divisive reboot!

[chaseter]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/brucespringstein/haters-gonna-hate.gif

[VenomVsSpidey]

Wait, now KAW is complaining about the use of a smiley?

:dry::whatever::dry:

:facepalm:

Seriously, complain about things that matter.

Like Quips and Mature Spideyzz!!

:hehe:

:whatever::whatever::o:awesome:

[Darkness Falls]

double post :o

[Darkness Falls]

:whatever: i've seen complaints about costumes, facepaint/skin pigimentations, logo placements on suits, colours, web shooters

but never.............. EVER have i seen someone on here complain about the use of a smiley :/

[VenomVsSpidey]

:hehe:

[Sam Fisher]

This thread is teh :awesome: How dare you complain about :whatever:,:cmad::doh::dry::angry::wall::facepalm: :hehe:

[©KAW]

Good, there's only one rolleyes smiley on this page, and my powers are starting to return.

[Spider-Fan]

What is your obsession with the :whatever: smiley?

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think everyone should use the max amount of :whatever: smileys now...cause complaining about them is stupid :whatever: Agreed.

:whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever::whatever: :whatever:

[Spider-ManHero12]

:whatever: i've seen complaints about costumes, facepaint/skin pigimentations, logo placements on suits, colours, web shooters

but never.............. EVER have i seen someone on here complain about the use of a smiley :/ Lol, so true. :woot:

[©KAW]

Cute, look at the Raimians banding together.

Now back on topic with you.