Sony Rebooting Spider-Man for 2012!!!

[night0205]

Does anyone realize that Sam Raimi probably wants them to reboot, because he's leaving. Has anyone thought that maybe Sony is rebooting, not only because they like the idea, but out of respect for Raimi and crew, and everything they did. Let's just say that X3 spit in the face of Bryan Singer, but it was his fault for leaving. Raimi made a spider-man trilogy, and finished most of his loose ends, so a reboot is respectful to Raimi. Now you can separate what Raimi did, and what other people will do. Some people may see it as trying to erase the trilogy, but I don't think that's what it's about. I think it's about money for one thing, but also to start new, and go in a different direction, which most hard core spidey fans want.

[NinjaCarm]

I just pray this whole thing is done right and meets our collective expectations that coincide with our love of Spider-Man and all other supporting characters and villains.

Sony, you have your work cut out for you. DO IT.
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[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm still in shock at this.

[Dark_Lord]

i think it is quite obvious only like 8 people here want a reboot lol

people want a reboot anytime there respective character or comic is not done to there standards.They are not bad movies just fanboys want it to be a perfect one if it is not up to there exact standards they call for a reboot.

hell i heard reboots claims after sm1

:whatever:

[p4poetic]

Don't be small minded and you will see that it is possibly to replace and BETTER Tobey.

Just ask Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger.

We are not that technologically advanced to speak to the dead yet.

Better is subjective anyway.

[MikeFrost]

I supported S-M3 and I thought it was great, but I was flamed for it and peopel said I jsut like it because it's Spider-Man. That's BS.

I don't want to sound offensive here nor do I even know you, but from my short time here in this community you seem to hype every single Spidey related stuff that pops up. I'm not saying that you do it because you're a fanboy, what I want to point out is that this is how you are perceived to people around, so I can see other members taking that stab at you.

Let's hit the pause button here: You enjoyed the Spectacular Spiderman animated series didn't you? I even recall you making a comment or two about how that was the real Spiderman.

So why aren't you at least somewhat happy about the prospect of having the movies starting to get closer to these series?

[spider-neil]

the spider-man franchise no where NEAR warrented a reboot.
heck, the hulk didn't warrent a reboot. I think a reboot should only be used when the position of the franchise is UNTENABLE, the last spidey movie made 900 ****ing million worldwide.

[Downhere]

Raimi had used up all his ideas. A sign of it was that he wanted to basis 3 purely on SANDMAN. Sandman, while great, just can not play major villain status. Same for Vulture.

It was time for him to go.

I disagree. Just because he wanted Sandman to be the sole villain in 3 doesn't mean he was running out of ideas, I'm sure he could have made 3 just as good as the previous films if he wasn't micromanaged by the studio execs. I think Raimi had some great ideas up his sleeve for number 4, but unfortunately we won't get to see him go out with a bang.

[cerealkiller182]

No skin off my back cause I was dissapointed with both Spiderman 2 and 3 but I really do not feel like going through the whole story again. Can't they just recast James Bond style and move on. There are plenty of other rogues and characters to use to explore Spiderman.

[SrsBsns]

So... you don't want the possibility of a three movie arc featuring Gwen Stacey, building up Norman Osborne's relationship with Pete over more than one film, then eventually becoming Green Goblin and killing Gwen Stacey in the third and final movie in a trilogy?

Any REAL Spidey fan would want that.

Oh man, here we go with all the "TRUE FAN" stuff....

[Ace of Knaves]

We are not that technologically advanced to speak to the dead yet.

Better is subjective anyway.

lol you know what I mean.

Having the mentality of

"NO IT WILL NEVER BE TOPPED!!!11"

Is ****ing ridiculous.

[spider-neil]

I don't want to sound offensive here nor do I even know you, but from my short time here in this community you seem to hype every single Spidey related stuff that pops up. I'm not saying that you do it because you're a fanboy, what I want to point out is that this is how you are perceived to people around, so I can see other members taking that stab at you.

Let's hit the pause button here: You enjoyed the Spectacular Spiderman animated series didn't you? I even recall you making a comment or two about how that was the real Spiderman.

So why aren't you at least somewhat happy about the prospect of having the movies starting to get closer to these series?

I absolutely LOVE the ssm but then I absolutely LOVE sm2.
the lack of quips don't bother me in the slightest. seriously, where the **** could you have fitted quips in the train fight?

[Ace of Knaves]

Oh man, here we go with all the "TRUE FAN" stuff....

Well, yea. Any TRUE Spider-Man fan would want Spider-Man's greatest story arc put into live action.

[Ice-man]

it doesnt need a reboot but it does need a make over per say.

[Jesster32388]

Wow it feels like 2001 all over again...weird. But the news is shocking, sucks everyone got the boot but interesting to see what happens next.

[Ace of Knaves]

I absolutely LOVE the ssm but then I absolutely LOVE sm2.
the lack of quips don't bother me in the slightest. seriously, where the **** could you have fitted quips in the train fight?

It's not quips.

THe Spider-Man persona is different to the Peter Parker persona. As soon as Pete puts the suit on, his confidence should sky rocket, he becomes a different person. All the ******** of his life is left behind. THAT is Spider-Man.

We got NONE of that in any of Raimi's films.

[Ice-man]

and please god i hope they dont make it some 3D gimmack

[Project862006]

It will end up like TIH(quality aside) it wont make much money at all because the fans or moviegoers wont go see it because its previous film and or trilogy was too fresh in there mind and don't want to invest there time all over again from scratch.

It wont continue on the franchise hell Norton is not even sure if he will even be in the avengers for god sakes

[spider-neil]

It's not quips.

THe Spider-Man persona is different to the Peter Parker persona. As soon as Pete puts the suit on, his confidence should sky rocket, he becomes a different person. All the ******** of his life is left behind. THAT is Spider-Man.

We got NONE of that in any of Raimi's films.

to be fair I felt that with the final swing in SM1. oh man, goose bumps!!

[Dark_Lord]

the spider-man franchise no where NEAR warrented a reboot.
heck, the hulk didn't warrent a reboot. I think a reboot should only be used when the position of the franchise is UNTENABLE, the last spidey movie made 900 ****ing million worldwide.

You still don't realize why they're making a reboot, don't you? It's not because they didn't think Spider-Man 3 was good enough. If that was the case, they wouldn't have hired Raimi, Tobey and the rest of the cast and moved forward with Spider-Man 4. They obviously wanted Spider-Man 4 and they wanted Raimi and the cast back.

The reason we're getting a reboot, is because Raimi and Sony couldn't agree on the story/villains (and whatever else that we didn't hear about). Raimi left and after Spider-Man 3, where he was forced to use Venom, I'm glad he did.

Since Raimi left, there would be no point in making a sequel and with the same cast, but a different director. Spider-Man 4 would have been Raimi's last, so there would be no point.

With everything that happened, it's better this way. Stop thinking like a Raimi Spider-Man fan and start thinking like a Spider-Man fan. So, it's a new cast and crew and a new story. It's still Spider-Man and it can get done right.

[MikeFrost]

I absolutely LOVE the ssm but then I absolutely LOVE sm2.
the lack of quips don't bother me in the slightest. seriously, where the **** could you have fitted quips in the train fight?

Agreed. They both stand very well on their own.

This even brings us to another point: Superhero material is known for different takes everytime, heck, even throughout different mediums. There's Amazing Spiderman, Spectacular Spiderman, TAS, the new Spectacular animation show, even one shot issues and What If scenarios.

I like Spiderman so I don't see how can I be unhappy about them wanting to do a new take to the character I love, specially if the new take gives us the possibility of seeing some stuff that we missed with the last take.

Why are people seeing this as a replacement to what we had with Raimi's movies? Why not think of it as an addendum to the franchise?

[ClarkLuther55]

Wow, that was sudden.

My first impression was that this was "too soon"...and if the reboot were coming out right now then it would be. But by 2012, SM3 will be half a decade in the past.

I guess I shouldn't be too surprised by this. I said it many times: SM3 left the movie-universe in a horrible place. Harry's story arc was squandered, Peter was made to look like a fickle douchebag, and the Peter/MJ romance (which was SO important in the first two movies) was sullied with dishonesty and infidelity. The movie just ended on such a somber note, with all the best storylines technically wrapped up but finished in such an underwhelming way. They wrote themselves into a corner (Vulture and Black Cat both SUCKED as ideas for a SM4 villain), and I was in the "reboot in a few years" camp myself. Even as I braced myself for the "inevitable" SM4 (who didn't suspect that that was a cash-in attempt?), hoping that Raimi would be able to partially redeem the series.

Now that Raimi's gone, I hope the fanboys don't continue to fool themselves into believing that revisionist history that he was a hack who never got Spider-Man. After the first two movies, Raimi was worshipped. But after SM3 (the movie that the FANS demanded, even though it wasn't the one they ended up liking) they just turned on him and refused to accept responsibility for the part that they played in the way things turned out. Raimi did a great job until ungrateful fans forced the studio's hand with cries for Venom, which forced him to shaft the storylines that he had been building up.

And when the new movie series starts, I hope there isn't pressure to add symbiotes in part 2 without any proper buildup. Also, no "dark, gritty" Spider-Man. That worked for Batman Begins, because Batman is naturally dark. Spider-Man isn't. He has a sense of humor. He starts out as a kid.

[Superman-Prime]

This is 2006 all over in this thread. Remember Superman Returns? They hated this movie, and then they wanted a Superman reboot film.

Gosh, I hate those whining fanboys ********.

They should have make Spidey 4 instead of stupid reboot. No more origin. No more reboot! That's it.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well maybe there was a couple instances, but definitely not enough.

[Mach2Infinity]

Didn't Marvel get the rights back for DD some time ago? I seem to think they did... either that or I'm losing my memory...:huh::o

Elsewhere I've been told that Fox Studios still do own the rights to the Daredevil franchise. Marvel Studios should be buying back the rights to their characters. It's ridiculous.

[Blackman]

Villains in my dream quadrilogy

1. Tombstone as behind the scenes guy. One of the SInister Six members
2. Green Goblin
3. Sinister Six (Shocker, Electro, Kraven, Vulture, Sandman, and Rhino) hired by Tombstone, symbiote intro, Spidey in black suit
4. Venom

I would have Doc Ock somewhere in here, except its probaly too son for him to be in first film where he prob best fits

[JustABill]

It's not quips.

THe Spider-Man persona is different to the Peter Parker persona. As soon as Pete puts the suit on, his confidence should sky rocket, he becomes a different person. All the ******** of his life is left behind. THAT is Spider-Man.

We got NONE of that in any of Raimi's films.
EXACTLY. All Spider-Man was in Raimi's films was Peter Parker in a mask. Raimi claims he's such a fan but he should know that when Peter puts on that mask, it gives him the confidence boost he doesn't have as Peter. He feels like he can take on the world and get the girl as Spider-Man, but as Peter Parker, he's a loveable loser who has trouble with the world's problems and getting the girl. Spider-Man is the anti-Peter Parker.

[Project862006]

1 thing why does it need a reboot why couldn't they just hire a different director and keep the cast rebooting it is causing my problems than fixing them

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't want to sound offensive here nor do I even know you, but from my short time here in this community you seem to hype every single Spidey related stuff that pops up. I'm not saying that you do it because you're a fanboy, what I want to point out is that this is how you are perceived to people around, so I can see other members taking that stab at you.

Let's hit the pause button here: You enjoyed the Spectacular Spiderman animated series didn't you? I even recall you making a comment or two about how that was the real Spiderman.

So why aren't you at least somewhat happy about the prospect of having the movies starting to get closer to these series? You saying this to me isn't really all that new. I don't hype everything, but i'm not going to b*** about everything I see. I'm not upset at you or anything because you seem to be the most nice about it, but I saw this coming. I'm sick of explaining to people I DON'T like something just because it's Spidey related. Nobody responds when I say that. They keep making the same f****** things, laugh about it, then don't respond when I flame them. Oh well.

Anyway, to answer you, it's kind of hard to say. I've always loved Raimi's movies because they were just so good and had elements from the comics, with things changed around to make a great film. Whenever I thought of Spider-Man films, I thought of Sam Raimi, Tobey maguire, J.K. SImmons, etc. Obivously, when I saw the first one. This trilogy hit home.

[Jesster32388]

How much you want to bet it's going to be called "The Amazing Spider-Man" like the second one was going to be called. Well now thinking about it probably not but still wouldn't surprise me.

Oh and if this one doesn't connect to the other Marvel films that would blow hard.

[Sawyer]

i think it is quite obvious only like 8 people here want a reboot lol

people want a reboot anytime there respective character or comic is not done to there standards.They are not bad movies just fanboys want it to be a perfect one if it is not up to there exact standards they call for a reboot.

hell i heard reboots claims after sm1

Hmm... not quite. It seems to me that the community is pretty evenly split. There are those that are behaving like four year old children throwing a tantrum because they've just had their toys taken from them and then there are the people that, while slightly disappointed that Raimi never really got a fair shot after that piece of crap third movie, see this as a genuine opportunity to do something good with these movies.

[Lord Blackbolt]

They were setting up Lizard from all these movies now with no payoff. But hey....the world is coming to an end at 2012...so we won't get to see it anyway.

[Blackman]

It's not quips.

THe Spider-Man persona is different to the Peter Parker persona. As soon as Pete puts the suit on, his confidence should sky rocket, he becomes a different person. All the ******** of his life is left behind. THAT is Spider-Man.

We got NONE of that in any of Raimi's films.
I would like to see Pete try and transfer some of the confidence into his Parker persona like in SSM and Ultimate, but ultimately failing.

[Lord Blackbolt]

I wonder if they offered the reboot to James Cameron...which is why they ditched everyone. Let the theories begin.

[Dark_Lord]

It will end up like TIH(quality aside) it wont make much money at all because the fans or moviegoers wont go see it because its previous film and or trilogy was too fresh in there mind and don't want to invest there time all over again from scratch.

It wont continue on the franchise hell Norton is not even sure if he will even be in the avengers for god sakes

TIH was better than the Hulk. It didn't make much money because Hulk sucked and because people don't really care about the Hulk. It has nothing to do with the movie being fresh in their minds.

[Project862006]

Hmm... not quite. It seems to me that the community is pretty evenly split. There are those that are behaving like four year old children throwing a tantrum because they've just had their toys taken from them and then there are the people that, while slightly disappointed that Raimi never really got a fair shot after that piece of crap third movie, see this as a genuine opportunity to do something good with these movies.

yes but sm3 was'nt so bad it needed one

hell QOS was terrible do we need another bond reboot?

[Anita18]

It will end up like TIH(quality aside) it wont make much money at all because the fans or moviegoers wont go see it because its previous film and or trilogy was too fresh in there mind and don't want to invest there time all over again from scratch.

It wont continue on the franchise hell Norton is not even sure if he will even be in the avengers for god sakes
That was the first thing I thought. TIH came out 5 years after the last Hulk movie, and I think we all determined that was too soon. Heck, it took one near-throwaway movie at the box office to regain the public's trust in Batman when they rebooted it 8 years after the previous one, which happened to be a turd.

The SM franchise was WAY bigger than anything Hulk-related, so the familiarity will be even stronger with the old franchise. I do believe that they would have had to reboot it sometime, but not this soon. No way.

I did think the SM movies were too cheesy for my tastes, though. You can do fun without going cheesy. IM was fun, dark when it had to be (although not much) but not cheesy. SM will have to be a more kid-oriented fun than IM (instead of like, car and gadget porn :funny: ) if they're gonna start out with Peter in high school though.

[Crook]

My, what a bunch of an unimaginative fanboys here. :dry:

Honestly, it's great that Raimi still has his fans. I'm one of 'em. But some of you need to get off his nuts and his vision. I get the notion from some here that a non-Raimi SM franchise is going to be somehow doomed from the start, or that a reboot will go over the same exact things we had with the previous three films.

I must ask what are you all smoking? We have no cast, no director, let alone a general synopsis of where this franchise is going. You're pulling crap out of your collective asses to justify your resentment for a fresh start. Newsflash, even if you absolutely love Raimi's take, you cannot tell me there aren't a multitude of alternate avenues to take the character that would be deemed just as good, and just as fresh. To spite the new series because of some directorial loyalty is beyond sophomoric. I'm so glad this type of mentality is limited to a vocal minority, because I would hate to be surrounded by such narrow-minded people. :down

[craigdbfan]

Next 'Spider-Man' film will be a gritty, contemporary reboot of the franchise (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/01/11/spider-man-reboot/)

"Who will helm the new film is anyone’s guess but with the studio interested in a more gritty, contemporary redo of the series, they are certainly focused on younger directors making waves in Hollywood. One name that has popped up is Marc Webb, the man behind (500) Day of Summer. He was previously in discussions with the studio to take over Moneyball, but that job went to Bennett Miller. Michael Bay has also previously expressed interest in taking over the Spider-Man franchise and Seabiscuit director Gary Ross worked on one of the drafts of Spider-Man 4 and is said to be a huge fan of the comic book series."

NO MICHAEL BAY. That would be the dumbest decision ever.

Ugh. No gritty please Sony.

Spider-Man can be vibrant still and have its dark moments when appropriate. But not an entire encompassing gritty feel.

[spider-neil]

people talk about lack of quips and spidey with no personality but I've been reading spidey since I was 8 years old and when I left the cinema after watching SM2 I was practially dancing on the clouds, if I could have walked right back in and watched it again I would have (saw SM2 FIVE TIMES at the cinema) as a fan the lack of quips didn't bother me.

[Blackman]

Marc Webb? Fantastic

but not gritty and please no Bay

[StylishHokie21]

Why? This is a dumb move on Sony's part.

[Dark_Lord]

1 thing why does it need a reboot why couldn't they just hire a different director and keep the cast rebooting it is causing my problems than fixing them

Wasn't Spider-Man 4 going to be Raimi's last Spider-Man movie? Weren't they going to go in a different direction after 4? What's the point of doing it, if Raimi isn't the one directing?

[HUMANIMAL]

i can smell the new who will be cast as spiderman threat from miles away:-)













and a suggestion is right on its way...............











james mcavoy

[Project862006]

Next 'Spider-Man' film will be a gritty, contemporary reboot of the franchise (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/01/11/spider-man-reboot/)



NO MICHAEL BAY. That would be the dumbest decision ever.

Ugh. No gritty please Sony.

Spider-Man can be vibrant still and have its dark moments when appropriate. But not an entire encompassing gritty feel.

you see there you go dark and gritty and Michael bay you guys happy :whatever:

[p4poetic]

lol you know what I mean.

Having the mentality of

"NO IT WILL NEVER BE TOPPED!!!11"

Is ****ing ridiculous.

My ovaries are aching over the news. I feel snappy :oldrazz:

[webhead731]

THIS NEWS IS NOT SETTLING WITH ME AND IT'S BEEN 3 HOURS. THIS IS THE STUPIDEST MOVE. YOU DON'T REBOOT A FRANCHISE THAT'S STILL SUCCESSFUL. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU SONY?!

Oh my God! Why would you get us psyched for 2 years, confirm Malkovich, then say nevermind?! WTF?! Dammit Sony!

[louiebling$]

I Just read the news and this is a dream come true for me :awesome: now we can get the real spider man :up:

[Sawyer]

Next 'Spider-Man' film will be a gritty, contemporary reboot of the franchise (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/01/11/spider-man-reboot/)



NO MICHAEL BAY. That would be the dumbest decision ever.

Ugh. No gritty please Sony.

Spider-Man can be vibrant still and have its dark moments when appropriate. But not an entire encompassing gritty feel.

Gritty - No.
Contemporary - The movies were already contemporary. :o
Michael Bay - I'll slit my wrists.

Get your **** together Sony! I'm with you on the reboot, but dont pull this stuff.

[spider-neil]

oh. my. gosh. michael bay?!!!



NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[TheSlag]

They were setting up Lizard from all these movies now with no payoff. But hey....the world is coming to an end at 2012...so we won't get to see it anyway.

Not til December so Spidey in May.. then prepare to Meet Your Maker :cwink:

[craigdbfan]

you see there you go dark and gritty and Michael bay you guys happy :whatever:

Its just speculation from EW part.

We barley have any information regarding the reboot.

Its far to early to call this a success or a failure as we don't even have a director on board yet.

[p4poetic]

Next 'Spider-Man' film will be a gritty, contemporary reboot of the franchise (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/01/11/spider-man-reboot/)



NO MICHAEL BAY. That would be the dumbest decision ever.

Ugh. No gritty please Sony.

Spider-Man can be vibrant still and have its dark moments when appropriate. But not an entire encompassing gritty feel.

LOL contemporary? Yeah because 2002 was ancient.

Its funny, with Superman Returns it was like the exact opposite. A movie that actually warranted a new contemporary feel, and we got a movie that hadn't gotten past the late 1970s.

You know you suck when Smallville is doing more with Superman than your movie.

[JustABill]

Marc Webb? Good.

Gritty, yes, in some parts it should be gritty and dark, but Spider-Man should overall be a lighthearted hero.

[Blackman]

Next 'Spider-Man' film will be a gritty, contemporary reboot of the franchise (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/01/11/spider-man-reboot/)



NO MICHAEL BAY. That would be the dumbest decision ever.

Ugh. No gritty please Sony.

Spider-Man can be vibrant still and have its dark moments when appropriate. But not an entire encompassing gritty feel.

Hasnt any movie executives watched itsjustsomerandom guy (probaly not)
Spiderman has had his dark moments but whats sets him aside from other heroes is that he doesnt go all dark and brooding

[Dark_Lord]

you see there you go dark and gritty and Michael bay you guys happy :whatever:
Gritty, not dark. As for Michel Bay. Just because at some point he'd be interested, doesn't mean Sony's interested.

[TheSlag]

I wonder if they offered the reboot to James Cameron...which is why they ditched everyone. Let the theories begin.


That thought crossed my mind too.

[Octoberist]

this is the worst news I've ever read in a while.

[ClarkLuther55]

Next 'Spider-Man' film will be a gritty, contemporary reboot of the franchise (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/01/11/spider-man-reboot/)



NO MICHAEL BAY. That would be the dumbest decision ever.

Ugh. No gritty please Sony.

Spider-Man can be vibrant still and have its dark moments when appropriate. But not an entire encompassing gritty feel.

Oh God, and I thought it was just the fanboys crying for a dark, gritty Spider-Man. I'm probably jumping to conclusions (and most early superhero movie buzz is BS anyway), but this sounds like the Venom debacle all over again.

The studio is watching you guys. Stop asking for stupid things, because you WILL eventually get them.

[Sawyer]

Marc Webb? Good.

Gritty, yes, in some parts it should be gritty and dark, but Spider-Man should overall be a lighthearted hero.

That's where Raimi went wrong. He turned everything into a super-serious melodrama with Peter/MJ. We need something different here.

[night0205]

I imagine Spider-man similar to the tone of Iron Man, except a lot more action. It was overall pretty light with humor, but had very dark tones and very good dramatic parts. In fact, Spider-man can completely surpass Iron Man on all fronts because of the material. We'll see what happens.

[Spider-ManHero12]

oh. my. gosh. michael bay?!!!



NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Agreed. I liked Transformers, but Bay better stay the hell away from Spidey.

[Papa Burgundy]

god this is freakin not nesscary AT ALL i mean the vulture/vultress idea was awful, but come on spiderman 1 was good, spiderman 2 was freakin awesome, you know raimi had another good one in him. f***. im upset. ill miss you tobey. spiderman 2 is one of the best movies of the decade. man ill forever love that movie.

if topher grace was younger though (and not previously involved in the series, i would vote him for peter parker.

[Flint Marko]

This is great news. I love the current franchise, but not only do we get a fresh take on spider-man, we get a bigger focus on spider-man during HIGH SCHOOL, which as ultimate spider-man has shown, can be the most interesting time for the character.

[spideyboy_1111]

im pretty excited for this news... i just hope he's not in highschool for a whole new trilogy... one or 2 movies at the most.. i prefer his college years where you're able to go a little darker with the death of gwen and such.

[Project862006]

:awesome:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

http://www.realslownewsday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/bay_EXPLOSION-300x237.jpg

[JustABill]

That's where Raimi went wrong. He turned everything into a super-serious melodrama with Peter/MJ. We need something different here.
I don't want melo-drama. But ultimately a Spider-Man film should be a lighthearted frock, popcorn style flick with a just enough substance to keep people attached to the plot with great dark little moments peppered in like the death of Gwen Stacy peppered in.

[JustABill]

im pretty excited for this news... i just hope he's not in highschool for a whole new trilogy... one or 2 movies at the most.. i prefer his college years where you're able to go a little darker with the death of gwen and such.
YES! FINALLY YOU ARRIVE. ^_^

I've been waiting for you. :D

[Anita18]

Next 'Spider-Man' film will be a gritty, contemporary reboot of the franchise (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2010/01/11/spider-man-reboot/)

NO MICHAEL BAY. That would be the dumbest decision ever.

Ugh. No gritty please Sony.

Spider-Man can be vibrant still and have its dark moments when appropriate. But not an entire encompassing gritty feel.
I know. :lmao: The kid's gonna be in high school, what WTF will Bay use for his car/plane/explosion porn?

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

I know. :lmao: The kid's gonna be in high school, what WTF will Bay use for his car/plane/explosion porn?

:funny:

[Van Petrol]

Michael Bay??...Can you imagine the amount of slow-mo explosions we'd have to endure Spidey swinging through... :hehe:

[Downhere]

:awesome:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHH YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

http://www.realslownewsday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/bay_EXPLOSION-300x237.jpg


With this news, watch them hire....

BRETT RATNER to direct. :oldrazz::o:oldrazz:

[MikeFrost]

You've changed things. Forever. There's no going back. You see, to them, you're just a moneypile, like me.

[ClarkLuther55]

night0205 is right. The Iron Man movie tone is what they should be going for here. Real issues can be explored, the villains can be murderous, and the hero can angst a little. But the overall tone should be upbeat and fun, NOT "dark and gritty."

[Spider-Vader]

I know. :lmao: The kid's gonna be in high school, what WTF will Bay use for his car/plane/explosion porn?

Sam Witwicky was in high school in the first 'Transformers'. :dry:

I'm sort of happy because the only Rami Spidey movie I really liked & thought was true to the character was Spider-Man 2. But I did enjoy Spidey 1 & even 3, I wanted to see what Rami had up his sleeve next.

But atleast, maybe now we can get a Spider-Man that isn't Snake Eyes wearing a Spidey suit with web shooters. Maybe we can also get a Green Goblin, that actually looks like a goblin! I think the Thunderbolts design would work out pretty well on the big screen. It's realistic, but still contains some of the classic elements. Maybe Sony's working out a deal with Marvel to allow the reboot series to be in the same "Universe" as Iron Man, Hulk, Cap & Thor's movies.

[craigdbfan]

His web shooter could release explosive webbing.

[Anita18]

Sam Witwicky was in high school in the first 'Transformers'. :dry:
See, but he had cars and planes and thus explosions to porn-out, because it involved GINORMOUS AWESOME ROBOTS running around causing destruction. It doesn't matter a whit if the main protagonist was in HS.

[[A]]

In Bay's Spider-Man, Peter would own a dog who'd do things to MJ's leg..

[Project862006]

movie reboot aside why do peope here hate MJ character so much?

they want Gwen Stacy as peter's love so much

whats wrong with MJ?

[JustABill]

Michael Bay won't get the reboot, so just shut up people. Geez. He'll probably be busy promoting/dealing with Transfomers 3 at the time they want to start filming this.

[Van Petrol]

Aunt May getting high at the high school bake sale.

[JustABill]

movie reboot aside why do peope here hate MJ character so much?

they want Gwen Stacy as peter's love so much

whats wrong with MJ?
Nothing's wrong with MJ. I love MJ, but in Raimi's series. MJ acted like Gwen, and Gwen acted like MJ.

The girls were all backwards. Let's get them RIGHT this time.

[Downhere]

Michael Bay won't get the reboot, so just shut up people. Geez. He'll probably be busy promoting/dealing with Transfomers 3 at the time they want to start filming this.

I'm sure Brett Ratner is available though. :doh::hehe:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Nothing's wrong with MJ. I love MJ, but in Raimi's series. MJ acted like Gwen, and Gwen acted like MJ. But isn't change necessary for comic book films sometimes?

[JustABill]

I'm sure Brett Ratner is available though. :doh::hehe:
:rolleyes:

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

Aunt May getting high at the high school bake sale.

For some reason that made me laugh, as silly as that is. Aunt May & her special brownies & wheatcakes...:o:hehe:

[Sawyer]

Nothing's wrong with MJ. I love MJ, but in Raimi's series. MJ acted like Gwen, and Gwen acted like MJ.

The girls were all backwards. Let's get them RIGHT this time.

Not to mention that, for some reason, MJ was played by a blonde and Gwen was played by a redhead.

[JustABill]

But isn't change necessary for comic book films sometimes?
Nope. Because there was no reason for the girls personalities to be backwards like that.

[The Joker]

Nothing's wrong with MJ. I love MJ, but in Raimi's series. MJ acted like Gwen, and Gwen acted like MJ.

Don't taint Gwen's good name by saying that. Movie MJ threw her feminine wiles around like ninja stars, and was either kissing other guys or trying to hook up with other guys when she was already dating someone.

Gwen Stacy was not as screwed up and selfish as that.

[Octoberist]

I can't see how anyone can blindly support a reboot like this; sounds like the Hollywood system is finally slowly destroying itself.

[MikeFrost]

But isn't change necessary for comic book films sometimes?

Yes. Thus, reboot.

[JustABill]

Don't taint Gwen's good name by saying that. Movie MJ threw her feminine wiles around like ninja stars, and was either kissing other guys or trying to hook up with other guys when she was already dating someone.

Gwen Stacy was not as screwed up and selfish as that.
But when she wasn't DOING things like that, she totally was GweMJ and not MJ.

But you also forget that thanks to a ****ed up story, Gwen's good name is tainted anyways as she was pregnant with Norman Osborn's baby. :rolleyes:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Nope. Because there was no reason for the girls personalities to be backwards like that. Can't the same be said for Joker being the killer of Wayne's parents in '89 Batman?

[JustABill]

I can't see how anyone can blindly support a reboot like this; sounds like the Hollywood system is finally slowly destroying itself.
I can't see how anyone can blindly not support this. We've got no information asides from that it's a reboot. :rolleyes:

[hippie_hunter]

Well this news was completely unexpected.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yes. Thus, reboot. That's not what I meant.

[JustABill]

Can't the same be said for Joker being the killer of Wayne's parents in '89 Batman?
Yes, but that worked and served a purpose in the story.. Switching Gwen and MJ around like Raimi did, did not.

[craigdbfan]

I can't see how anyone can blindly support a reboot like this; sounds like the Hollywood system is finally slowly destroying itself.

And I can't see how someone can be so quick to call this a failure as well.

Its way to early.

Lets wait and see who gets picked as director along with the story they'll go with.

In the comic world reboots/re imagining etc is common place. I don't see why the same can't apply to their respective film adaptations.

[Sawyer]

Can't the same be said for Joker being the killer of Wayne's parents in '89 Batman?

Not really the same. That was an action, not his entire personality. A more proper compairison would be Two Face from Batman Forever essentially being the Joker.

[Ace of Knaves]

I can't see how anyone can blindly support a reboot like this; sounds like the Hollywood system is finally slowly destroying itself.

Because SM4 was doomed and some of us would prefer a fresh start instead of inevitable mediocrity.

And oh yea, movie MJ was nothing like comic MJ or comic Gwen. Movie MJ is just a selfish, ***** that bears no resemblance to anyone from the comics.

[Crook]

I can't see how anyone can blindly support a reboot like this; sounds like the Hollywood system is finally slowly destroying itself.
Blindly support? As opposed to blindly repugnate? Excuse some people for having faith in the vast possibilities of improvement.

:huh:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yes, but that worked and served a purpose in the story.. Switching Gwen and MJ around like Raimi did, did not. If I remember correctly, people liked MJ in the first film. Joker killing Bats parents is just as much of a change.

[MikeFrost]

That's not what I meant.

I know. You mean it's ok to change things for a movie's sake but it's not ok to change the stuff they did for the movie's sake back. Right?

[Octoberist]

I can't see how anyone can blindly not support this. We've got no information asides from that it's a reboot. :rolleyes:

you mean, you missed the high school part of the article? That's my major problem.

And might I add, this reboot thing goes beyond Spider-Man. It's Hollywood execs not knowing when and when not to reboot franchises like these. It's like everything is expandable.

I don't really want a reboot of a comic book series every 10 years. it's getting old.

It could be a great reboot. I can't judge too much but my stomach hurts from this.

[hippie_hunter]

I can't see how anyone can blindly not support this. We've got no information asides from that it's a reboot. :rolleyes:

Because a reboot is just really unnecessary. Sure Spider-Man 3 isn't on par with the first two Spider-Man films, but it didn't suck hard enough like Batman & Robin to merit a reboot.

[JP]

This has to be the WTF news of the decade.

[Ace of Knaves]

you mean, you missed the high school part of the article? That's my major problem.

And might I add, this reboot thing goes beyond Spider-Man. It's Hollywood execs not knowing when and when not to reboot franchises like these. It's like everything is expandable.

I don't really want a reboot of a comic book series every 10 years. it's getting old.

This NEEDED to be rebooted.

I said this last week when it was revealed SM4s production was going down the crapper.

Why are you guys missing the facts? Raimi was not happy with Sony. Sony was not happy with Raimi. Constant script re-writes. etc etc.

This was inevitable and it's the right decision.

[The Joker]

But when she wasn't DOING things like that, she totally was GweMJ and not MJ.

Mmmmm, yeah in some ways she was. But I never found Gwen as unlikeable as Dunst's MJ. She was everything Peter should avoid in a girl. I never understood why he loved her.

She was sooooooooo selfish and hypocritical, especially in SM-3.

But you also forget that thanks to a ****ed up story, Gwen's good name is tainted anyways as she was pregnant with Norman Osborn's baby. :rolleyes:

Ugh, that whole era of the comics screwed up the characters. MJ had apparently know all about that, too, for all those years and never told Peter. They had Peter reveal his identity to the world, and then sell out his marriage to Mephisto.

Marvel were on a roll for screwing up characters then.

[roach]

Well this news was completely unexpected.

to be honest I dont see this as a good thing...to me it seems as if Raimi and Sony couldnt come to an agreement and Raimi and Co got let go.

[hippie_hunter]

you mean, you missed the high school part of the article? That's my major problem.

And might I add, this reboot thing goes beyond Spider-Man. It's Hollywood execs not knowing when and when not to reboot franchises like these. It's like everything is expandable.

I don't really want a reboot of a comic book series every 10 years. it's getting old.

Honestly, I would have rather have had Peter in high school just a tad bit longer in the film series.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I know. You mean it's ok to change things for a movie's sake but it's not ok to change the stuff they did for the movie's sake back. Right? Now I'm confused, lol.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

to be honest I dont see this as a good thing...to me it seems as if Raimi and Sony couldnt come to an agreement and Raimi and Co got let go.

This has to be the WTF news of the decade.

:up:

[<borkis>]

I can't see how anyone can blindly support a reboot like this; sounds like the Hollywood system is finally slowly destroying itself.

I', really disappointed to not get to see Raimi make another Spidey movie without the studio interference, but it looks like he lost the power struggle and now all we're going to see is movies made with studio guidance.

My biggest hopes for the reboot are:
* Spidey with more wit... McGuire was an amazing Peter and a decent Spidey but was never very good at 'sounding' quick witted.
* A proper use of Venom and the Symbiote (eventually)
* Build up the foundation of villains like the sinister six and don't just kill off the villains every movie.
* Don't mess around with the established origin (a la SM3)

My biggest fears are:
* Going the high-school route means appealing to the masses (read: idiots) and we end up with Twilight Spider-Man.
* A new director who doesn't really care about Spider-Man and get a movie might look good but has no internal consistency.
* Change for the sake of change (different costume, different personality, edgier Peter, etc.)
* A lame-ass tween cast as PP.
* Udoing everything the previous franchise established.


I won't judge this move until all of the information comes out, but at first glance I am really displeased with this announcement.

[Judson Caspian]

This would've been much greater news had Marvel Studios been rebooting Spider-Man instead.

[Spider-ManHero12]

This has to be the WTF news of the decade. Agreed completely. It breaks my heart, that's for sure.

[JustABill]

Dunst MJ = Michelle Gonzalez? The precursor? LOL.

[Havok83]

I dont get why people are saying this is such a bad idea. I would have loved a SM4, but have no problem with this film being made

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

Agreed completely. It breaks my heart, that's for sure.

It sure is rather disappointing but can't do anything about it now. :o

[Dark_Lord]

Because a reboot is just really unnecessary. Sure Spider-Man 3 isn't on par with the first two Spider-Man films, but it didn't suck hard enough like Batman & Robin to merit a reboot.

Fair enough. Spider-Man 4 was going to be the last Raimi (Tobey, Kirsten, etc) Spider-Man movie. If I remember correctly, they were still planning a reboot after that. New director, new story, new cast etc. Since things didn't work between Raimi and Sony, they decided to do the reboot now. I don't really see the big deal.

Sure, the reboot could suck. It could also be great. Until we hear some news (cast, director, story, etc), I'm going to stay positive and excited.

[Flint Marko]

This would've been much greater news had Marvel Studios been rebooting Spider-Man instead.
Agreed. That would be ideal, but I'm fine with what we have for now.
What are they gonna do about web shooters/organic webbing in the next movie?

[Excel]

Stupid move. 1st 2 are classics. 3 was a big **** up and now their totally redoing it? The moved along in Spideys life far too quickly. He shouldnt have left high school until the end of the 2nd, imo.

It is pretty depressing to think that Tobey McGuire will never be suiting up as Spider-man again, because he was brilliant in the 1st 2 films.

I mean come on. Itll have barely been a decade since the still very popular 1st film came out and their redoing it? Thats like having a Titanic remake in come out in 2007. Its stupidity and will backfire in their faces.

Sony and co. need to get their **** together.

[webhead731]

I hope they realize this is the biggest mistake they've done to the franchise and turn it around. This is an all around awful idea.

[Johnny Drama]

I can't see how anyone can blindly support a reboot like this; sounds like the Hollywood system is finally slowly destroying itself.

I will explain how I am going to blindly defend this.

I love Spider-Man, but did not like the direction the films took. I always hated the casting of Peter and Mary Jane.
James Franco was awesome, too awesome to be the nerdy Harry Osborn. Franco should have been Peter. Tobey should have been Harry. There personalities are ass backwards compared to the roles they portrayed.
Kirsten Dunst should have been Gwen Stacy. Bryce Dallas should have played Mary Jane, Mary Jane should have made her appearnce in SM2, after Gwen dies at the end of SM1. Peter should have had a sharper sense of humor.
Mary Jane should have been a knockout and not a bag lady.
Peter should have still been in highschool by the end of the first film. The Green Goblin would be a threat to Peter that is always present, not one that is disposed of after the first film.

So it's for these reasons, the prospect of a genuine, faithful Spider-Man featuring a TEENAGE Spider-Man, with a sharp wit and tounge-in-cheek sense of humor, that I will blindly defend this.

[Spider-ManHero12]

It sure is rather disappointing but can't do anything about it now. :o Very true. I guess we'll just have to settle with what the future holds for Spider-Man films. :csad:

[Ipodman]

Green Goblin killing Gwen Stacy.. YES!!!

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

Very true. I guess we'll just have to settle with what the future holds for Spider-Man films. :csad:

Unfortunately....

Reliving '02 all over again. :o

[Watson]

They could reboot it without returning to the origin story, which has just been played out in every superhero movie. I would have liked to have seen more of college age Peter Parker.

[LastSunrise1981]

I definitely don't think this needed a reboot. If anything Spider-Man needed a good fourth sequel to fix the mistakes of the 3rd film. But how can Sony do this? All three films generated a lot of money for the studio and it wasn't as if the third film was horribly received.

Definitely a bad idea on Sony's part. Hopefully this is just some bad joke that has gotten out of hand.

[DACMAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H229IlRnzA

[Ace of Knaves]

I will explain how I am going to blindly defend this.

I love Spider-Man, but did not like the direction the films took. I always hated the casting of Peter and Mary Jane.
James Franco was awesome, too awesome to be the nerdy Harry Osborn. Franco should have been Peter. Tobey should have been Harry. There personalities are ass backwards compared to the roles they portrayed.
Kirsten Dunst should have been Gwen Stacy. Bryce Dallas should have played Mary Jane, Mary Jane should have made her appearnce in SM2, after Gwen dies at the end of SM1. Peter should have had a sharper sense of humor.
Mary Jane should have been a knockout and not a bag lady.
Peter should have still been in highschool by the end of the first film. The Green Goblin would be a threat to Peter that is always present, not one that is disposed of after the first film.

So it's for these reasons, the prospect of a genuine, faithful Spider-Man featuring a TEENAGE Spider-Man, with a sharp wit and tounge-in-cheek sense of humor, that I will blindly defend this.

Attention all SPIDER-MAN fans and not RAIMI fans. Listen to this man, he makes sense.

[Excel]

Hopefully this is just some bad joke that has gotten out of hand.

I honestly think its a distinct possibility. This just seems like far too rash a decision.

[MikeFrost]

Why is highschool bad? Haven't you seen Spectacular Spiderman? It's a great take.

[JustABill]

attention all spider-man fans and not raimi fans. Listen to this man, he makes sense.
amen.

[Watson]

Why is highschool bad? Haven't you seen Spectacular Spiderman? It's a great take.

It isn't bad, but I always felt he was more interesting in the college years. Less angsty, more in grip with his powers. Plus there were lots of fun villains and love interests.

[Ace of Knaves]

I honestly think its a distinct possibility. This just seems like far too rash a decision.

Have you been following SM4s production? If you have been you'd realize this is a logical decision and not a rash one.

[Crook]

I honestly think its a distinct possibility. This just seems like far too rash a decision.
You think it's a distinct possibility that the studio is f**king with us, or hasn't thought this major decision through enough to be concrete? OKAY! :up:

[VenomVsSpidey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H229IlRnzA

yeah we got it. Oh and we got it. And by the way, DACMAN, we got it.


and just to let you know, we got it.


and we got it.

[JustABill]

They could easily do dark moments and fun love interests while Peter's still in HS. Ultimate Spider-Man proved that.

[spider-neil]

'oh, I really wish marvel were rebooting spider-man'

because TIH was an awesome movie :whatever:

[[A]]

You know who should write the reboot..? Brian Michael Bendis :woot:

..or not :oldrazz:

[MikeFrost]

It isn't bad, but I always felt he was more interesting in the college years. Less angsty, more in grip with his powers. Plus there were lots of fun villains and love interests.

Starting on highschool doesn't mean he'll stay there forever. I'd like to see him progress throughout the new movies.

Spider-man is about the education of Peter Parker. They need to stay true to that.

[StylishHokie21]

I would expect a reboot in 10 years, but not 2 years from now. You don't just scrap a successful franchise. I think Sony is making a BIG mistake here.

[Spider-ManHero12]

yeah we got it. Oh and we got it. And by the way, DACMAN, we got it.


and just to let you know, we got it.


and we got it. Agreed.


Seriously, DACMAN, you're just trolling now.

[Havok83]

I definitely don't think this needed a reboot. If anything Spider-Man needed a good fourth sequel to fix the mistakes of the 3rd film. But how can Sony do this? All three films generated a lot of money for the studio and it wasn't as if the third film was horribly received.

Definitely a bad idea on Sony's part. Hopefully this is just some bad joke that has gotten out of hand.
bc this reboot will most likely make just as much money. I dont think it will have a negative impact on potential sales. Same people that are complaining are the same ones that will most likely still go see the film

[Ace of Knaves]

Too many people here are letting their love of Raimi blind their love of Spider-Man.

And it sickens me to be honest.

[spider-neil]

rebooting a franchise after the last movie made 900m worldwide.

come may 2012 we'll see if this movie is the biggest cock up in sony history or utter genius on the part of sony.


I wonder if cameron is thinking of rebooting avatar, afterall hardly anyone likes the story

[MikeFrost]

'oh, I really wish marvel were rebooting spider-man'

because TIH was an awesome movie :whatever:

It was a good movie.

And Iron-man rocked. What's your point?

[Watson]

Starting on highschool doesn't mean he'll stay there forever. I'd like to see him progress throughout the new movies.

Spider-man is about the education of Peter Parker. They need to stay true to that.

Funnily enough, there were just a whole bunch of Spider-Man films that did just that!

They could easily do dark moments and fun love interests while Peter's still in HS. Ultimate Spider-Man proved that.

True. But my point was more that I feel it is unnecessary to rehash the origin story again. I'd prefer a reboot that picked up with Peter when he already had the powers. I think everyone knows the story by now.

[StylishHokie21]

I definitely don't think this needed a reboot. If anything Spider-Man needed a good fourth sequel to fix the mistakes of the 3rd film. But how can Sony do this? All three films generated a lot of money for the studio and it wasn't as if the third film was horribly received.

Definitely a bad idea on Sony's part. Hopefully this is just some bad joke that has gotten out of hand.

Exactly. :up:

[spider-neil]

It was a good movie.

And Iron-man rocked. What's your point?

imho SM2 is better than iron man so marvel aren't the be all and end all

[MikeFrost]

Funnily enough, there were just a whole bunch of Spider-Man films that did just that!

Nope. He started the first movie when he was getting out of highschool.

[Dark_Lord]

'oh, I really wish marvel were rebooting spider-man'

because TIH was an awesome movie :whatever:
It was definitely better than Hulk and just because the reboot didn't really work for Hulk, doesn't mean it won't work for Spider-Man. I don't understand why you're being so negative. Sure, the movie could suck, but it can also be as good as Spider-Man 1 and 2. Don't look at this news as a Raimi fan. Look at it as a Spider-Man fan. Sucks that there isn't going to be another Spider-Man movie by Raimi, ok...but we're still getting a Spider-Man movie and unless we hear something bad about it, I'm staying positive.

[Ace of Knaves]

Funnily enough, there were just a whole bunch of Spider-Man films that did just that!


Not at all. There was no real growth of the Peter/Spidey character.

[Spider-ManHero12]

imho SM2 is better than iron man so marvel aren't the be all and end all I second that completely. :up:

[JustABill]

True. But my point was more that I feel it is unnecessary to rehash the origin story again. I'd prefer a reboot that picked up with Peter when he already had the powers. I think everyone knows the story by now.

They could easily somehow incorporate the origin into the title credits like they did with the Hulk reboot.

[Ipodman]

Glad they are starting the story over... Parker needs to be younger!

[MikeFrost]

imho SM2 is better than iron man so marvel aren't the be all and end all

FGS, I didn't said they were. I said they can handle their stuff just as good. Just because you like something better doesn't mean that the rest is crap.

[mjbull23]

Wow. Very underwhelmed right now. I wanted to see where they were going to take the character of Peter Parker in this fourth film. I especially wanted to see Malkovich's portrayal of Vulture, who as an actor is a cut above anyone who has ever played a villain in any of the first three films.

So. Looks like Dafoe, Molina, Church, and *gulp* still painful to recall, Topher Freakin Grace got in before the lock. While Malko gets shut out.

All i have to say is, they better recruit some high caliber acting talent for the villainous roles in this next go round of the franchise.

This reboot is so unecassary.

[kedrell]

http://i48.tinypic.com/30bftxy.gif

This news made my day! No more Raimi-Man, er..Spider-Man as Raimi sees him(and I never liked his vision much). No more obnoxious fugly mary jane.:woot:

[Sawyer]

And hopefully when we get a new Green Goblin, he wont look like a power ranger. :o

[DACMAN]

Why is highschool bad? Haven't you seen Spectacular Spiderman? It's a great take.

Or read the first 100 issues of Amazing? Or read ALL the issues of Ultimate Spider-Man? Spider-Man is done best while he was in high school.

[JustABill]

I second that completely. :up:
Funny, I disagree with that completely. Iron Man is a much superior and truer to the character film than Spider-Man 2 in every way. Spider-Man 2 was still a good movie though.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea and the villain wasn't controlled by ****ing metal tentacles and didn't talk to them in Iron Man...

[kedrell]

GG should be scary looking with a mask that molds to his face, ala' how they did the masks in the Mission Impossible movies.

[Watson]

Nope. He started the first movie when he was getting out of highschool.

Not at all. There was no real growth of the Peter/Spidey character.

I disagree. I think the first and second films did have an learning arc with Peter. We saw him have fun with the powers, at times reject them, and eventually accept them. It was one of the things I actually felt they did a decent job of in SM1 and SM2.

[craigdbfan]

I understand why some didn't like Kirsten Dunst portrayal of Mary Jane (which wasn't entirely her fault as the character was written poorly).

But calling her ugly and whatnot is not very nice. She is a beautiful woman.

[Ipodman]

Or read the first 100 issues of Amazing? Or read ALL the issues of Ultimate Spider-Man? Spider-Man is done best while he was in high school.

Agreed!:yay:

[kedrell]

Yea and the villain wasn't controlled by ****ing metal tentacles and didn't talk to them in Iron Man...


In IM, the villain was allowed to be unsympathetic and thoroughly bad. Something no Raimi villain has ever been allowed to be.

[Blackman]

Or read the first 100 issues of Amazing? Or read ALL the issues of Ultimate Spider-Man? Spider-Man is done best while he was in high school.
this :up:

[Ace of Knaves]

I understand why some didn't like Kirsten Dunst portrayal of Mary Jane (which wasn't entirely her fault as the character was written poorly).

But calling her ugly and whatnot is not very nice. She is a beautiful woman.

No she isn't beautiful, not anymore anyway, she was hot in the first one. Coke does that to a person.

And I've already done better. :D

But the point is, MJ wasn't MJ in the movies. MJ isn't a selfish, hypocritical *****.

[StylishHokie21]

I hated that Doc Ock wasn't evil enough in SM2. Let's hope something good comes out of this reboot.

[Golgo-13]

Wow, wow, wow! Just read the re-boot news. I'm shocked to say the least. I wonder if toby new about this as he spoke about the delays recently...?

This is actually great news, as i hated Dunst.

[Raith]

I have mixed feelings. It's not like we got cheated. We had 3 movies. Sure the 3rd was pretty weak, but overall it was a really successful franchise.

I love the first and second, but i'm interested to see what a new direction could look like. They have a real opportunity to make Spidey become part of this new Marvel movie universe. No power ranger goblin? Maybe a better, more fleshed out Venom story? No "Sandman killed my uncle"? Kingpin? Crossovers and cameos? There are good possibilities here if Sony doesn't screw it up with their "ideas".

Movies like Dark Knight are really raising the bar. Woulda been nice to see Raimi get 1 last shot, but dumping him now MIGHT not be a terrible idea either. It can go either way. Lets hope they picked the right way.

[Ipodman]

Def have the webshooters...

[VenomVsSpidey]

in im, the villain was allowed to be unsympathetic and thoroughly bad. Something no raimi villain has ever been allowed to be.

venom.

[Papa Burgundy]

BUT WHOS GONNA PLAY THE I KID YOU NOT GUY?!?!?

whom i ask!?!? WHOM!?!?

[BETArayBill]

Yea and the villain wasn't controlled by ****ing metal tentacles and didn't talk to them in Iron Man...

:pal: forgot about that

[Blackman]

Check the sig, b**hes

I'm so pumped Marc Webb was brought up for this. This could be great

[Golgo-13]

Def have the webshooters...

QFT!:awesome:

[MikeFrost]

In IM, the villain was allowed to be unsympathetic and thoroughly bad. Something no Raimi villain has ever been allowed to be.

And that's somehow better?

Being sympathetic doesn't mean you have a good villain. It can go both ways.
Look at the Joker, he's plain evil and is, in my opinion, the best comicbook villain ever.

It's all about motivation and believability. That's what makes a good villain.

[Dark_Lord]

rebooting a franchise after the last movie made 900m worldwide.

come may 2012 we'll see if this movie is the biggest cock up in sony history or utter genius on the part of sony.


I wonder if cameron is thinking of rebooting avatar, afterall hardly anyone likes the story

I've replied to 2 similar posts of your, but you really don't seem to understand. Oh well...It's late and I'm tired, but whatever.

Sony wanted a sequel. They brought Raimi and the cast back and they were working on Spider-Man 4. They were not rebooting the franchise.

Raimi would stop after Spider-Man 4 however. They didn't want to continue making sequels without Raimi and the cast and since 4 would be Raimi's and the cast's last, they were going to reboot Spider-Man after it.

Since they (Raimi and Sony) couldn't agree on Spider-Man 4 and Raimi left, they decided to drop Spider-Man 4 and move forward with the reboot, which they were planning to do anyway. There would be no point to make a sequel without Raimi, even if it did have the same cast and the would definitely be no point in making a sequel (after 4) without Raimi AND the cast.

[Ace of Knaves]

In IM, the villain was allowed to be unsympathetic and thoroughly bad. Something no Raimi villain has ever been allowed to be.

****ING NAILED IT.

Raimi seems to have it drummed into his head that villains can only be effective if they are personally connected to the hero and are sympathetic. Christ sake he even changed Sandman to ****ing Uncle Ben's killer.

How can Spider-Man fans accept this ******** and not be pleased at the possibility of something better?

[Spider-ManHero12]

venom. And Green Goblin. He didn't really redeem himself in the end, I don't think. His last move was trying to kill Spidey.

[webhead731]

Too many people here are letting their love of Raimi blind their love of Spider-Man.

And it sickens me to be honest.

Oh stop crying about it. Sorry some of us have opinions of what we think is a good idea and what's not.

[spider-neil]

Funny, I disagree with that completely. Iron Man is a much superior and truer to the character film than Spider-Man 2 in every way. Spider-Man 2 was still a good movie though.

SM2 has much more depth than iron man.

you have peter parker whose is being ruined by his alter ego, gives up being a hero so he can pursue his dream and the city crumbles around him. he comes to the realization thathe has to give up his dreams to be a hero. each to their own but I thought that was a MUCH ore compelling story than IM. also for al the tobey dissers I thought he gave a fantastic perfromance which peaked with his confession to aunt may. bravo raimi, bravo toby.

like I said though each to their own but imho only TDK is better than SM2
oh, six years on and STILL the best superhero action sequence (train fight) commited to film

[[A]]

The news that Sony is rebooting the successful and recent Spider-Man franchise has actually made me angry. I'm angry not just as a fan of the Spider-Man character and the movies Sam Raimi has made with him, I'm angry as a person who has had my expectations constantly lowered by Hollywood but who never thought he'd see an insta-reboot like this. It's the depths of creativity and the apex of ****tiness, as far as I'm concerned.

First of all, Sony's about to screw up the Spider-Man franchise. Their press release crows about bringing Peter Parker back to high school age in this reboot, and near as I can tell this means one thing and one thing only: Hello, Twilight fanbase. Raimi's Spider-Man aged in real time, and Spider-Man 4 would have seen an adult Peter Parker getting ready to possibly get married. This isn't sexy to the 14 year old girls who scream at Robert Pattinson, and frankly neither is Tobey Maguire. Starting over means the chance to get into that tween zeitgeist, and to cast a Peter Parker who will elicit long lines at Comic Con not just from the usual fanboys but also from hordes of screaming girls.

As a friend said to me on Twitter, Sony wouldn't go chasing lower grosses, meaning the Twilight films have been outperformed by even the weakest Spider-Man film. But they would go chasing the heat of that franchise - the cultural cache and the endless free publicity. But it isn't like Sony's choice makes a lick of sense anyway, as the franchise remains in strong shape, with Spider-Man 3 making 330 million dollars domestic. If Sony wanted changes in the cast or tone these could be done in a Spider-Man 4. The only reason to go back to high school is to simply try for the CW audiences.

So we'll get a dreamier Peter Parker, that's almost for sure. And we'll probably spend more time with his romantic life than we had previously, although Sony (probably) isn't so dumb as to lose the action focus (anyway, girls go to action movies these days. You just can't get the boys to go to Twilight). They are so dumb as to probably include Venom from the start. Venom, one of the worst things to happen to the Spider-Man comics (the character coarsened and cheapened everything it touched, and sent Spider-Man off into a direction that betrayed the spirit of the comic), is also incredibly popular. It seems exceptionally likely that Sony will shoehorn either Venom or Eddie Brock (saving Venom for the sequel and maybe Carnage for the third, thus making the day of every moron fan who wants comic book movies to be R-rated) into Spidey's new origin. And yes, they'll have a new origin because they need to get Venom in there, and to set this Spider-Man apart from Raimi's. Maybe Mary Jane will be torn between Eddie and Peter. Are you Team Eddie?

Of course it's possible that something good will come of this. Maybe Sony will tell good stories in this rebooted universe. Maybe the lessons of the superhero cinema revolution Spider-Man helped start will inform this new movie. But in reality this is the worst case scenario, believe it or not. The worst case scenario has Sony making a ****load of money on a reboot of a franchise that is still vital and strong.

As an audience - especially an audience for genre pictures - we've settled into a battered spouse position. We long since learned to not only accept sequels, but to love them (if you're old enough to remember a time before Star Wars you're old enough to remember a time when sequels all but guaranteed diminishing returns in every way). In the last couple of years we've become numb to the endless remakes that Hollywood churns out, barely even getting hot under the collar at a Hollywood version of a brand new foreign film. It's Hollywood's grand race to the bottom, and it's possible that the Spider-Man reboot is what is waiting there.

It's just the laziest way to go about anything - start over! It's the equivalent of knocking all the pieces off the chessboard because you don't know what your next move should be. And it's the studio saying that they know you will eat the same **** again and again and again. They don't need something new for you, because you're happy to accept the reheated scraps of what you enjoyed just ten years ago. Hell, it makes remakes look bold.

And if Spider-Man: The Tween Years is a hit, Hollywood will see that it works. Here's the secret: while there are many talented people in this town with great ideas and vision and with the drive to do something new and unique, they are all stuck working at studios manned by morons and people who don't even like movies. They know what has worked in the last few years, and that's it - which means insta-reboots are their dreams come true. If Spider-Man worked ten years ago and works again now, why bother doing anything new? Forget about going through even the minimal creative work of doing a sequel or coming up with something new - just take what you did before and do it again.

Or maybe this is good news. The current blockbuster era is showing its age; 3D is being touted as the replacement for actual story and filmmaking, and budgets are getting beyond insane. As people eat up the sheer garbage Hollywood is spewing out it emboldens the studios to make more garbage (especially when people steer clear of movies that are interesting or smart), but eventually audiences lose their taste for the garbage. It happened to the studios in the late 60s and it seems almost inevitable that it will someday happen again. Maybe the Spider-Man reboot is the opening sentence of the last chapter of current Hollywood history. Maybe we're getting closer to our Cleopatra. Maybe a radical shift in what people want will put Hollywood off-kilter and will change the very concept of what is a mainstream movie.

Oh, who am I kidding? Enjoy seeing the same movies getting remade every ten years for the rest of your life.

http://chud.com/articles/articles/22113/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-TWILIGHT-FOR-SPIDER-MAN-AND-HOLLYWOOD/Page1.html

[Ace of Knaves]

venom.

And Green Goblin. He didn't really redeem himself in the end, I don't think. His last move was trying to kill Spidey.

Nope. Try again fellas.

Raimi tried to make you feel for Osborne. Him losing the company he built.

"DO YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED!"

And Venom? Brock got about as much development as the stranger I passed walking down the road to the corner shop today.

[Watson]

Def have the webshooters...

Oh no...round 2 of the organics debate :csad:

[Project862006]

Attention all SPIDER-MAN fans and not RAIMI fans. Listen to this man, he makes sense.

so because were are against the reboot we are raimi fan boys now and are now lesser spiderman fans :whatever:

[Blackman]

why does everyone hear teenage and think Twilight films. Their not even the same studio and Spiderman has been a teen for many years and is what hes famous for.

some people....

[MikeFrost]

SM2 has much more depth than iron man.


One is a sequel and already had it's universe grounded by the first movie, the other is the start of the movie franchise. I let you say that after we see Iron Man 2.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Nope. Try again fellas.

Raimi tried to make you feel for Osborne. Him losing the company he built.

"DO YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED!"But in the end, he didn't redeem himself while Doc Ock, Sandman, and Harry did.

[craigdbfan]

That last persons opinion I want to hear is that of a dirty hippo of a man. **** off Devin and go back to your damp and lonely cave.

[Chewy]

So yes, "Spider-Man 4" is dead (http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/01/breaking-sam-raimi-tobey-maguire-leave.html)and Sony is going reboot route, back to the teenage years. Pretty much old news now.

And while Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118013607.html?categoryid=13&cs=1) may have chimed in a little late (DHD and THR were definitely the frontunners). Their reports brings up some very interesting details.

So while this news was breaking, we were speculating, will "Spider-Man" 2.0, the reboot as it were use elements of the "Spider-Man 4" script and then modify them as necessary to bring it back us back to scratch? Would Vanderbilt start working on a whole new script?

None of the above. The screenplay is apparently already complete. How's that? Well, apparently Sony saw this day coming for a long time and Vanderbilt's script was a contingency project that has already been written and is ready to go. Pretty interesting.

The project is now already in pre-production and its apparently the idea is to hire a new director and new (inexpensive, naturally) stars in the next few weeks. It might not be long before an entire new cast of principals has been announced. Another reason why they're forging ahead? As Variety (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118013607.html?categoryid=13&cs=1) says, "Columbia/Sony needs to continue actively developing "Spider Man" films or else the property will revert back to Disney/Marvel."

So while Vanderbilt wrote "Spider-Man 4" and was hired to write "Spider-Man 5 & 6 (http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2009/08/sony-pictures-taps-james-vanderbilt-to.html)," he was essentially, writing the reboot in secret (or writing "Spider-Man 5 & 6" was secret code for: Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire are eventually going to dump this thing, start over." Though as we the trades reported and we wrote, "It appears that the studio isn't optimistic either — already bracing itself for a talent exodus as Vanderbilt's arc is reportedly set up as a potential rebooter (http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2009/08/sony-pictures-taps-james-vanderbilt-to.html)." Ok, maybe it wasn't so "secret" but it's still pretty incredible to learn that his reboot script is done already. Alright Sony, we'll hand it to you, you're much smarter than you look.

Vanderbilt's credit's include David Fincher's "Zodiac" and more recently the WB project/D.C. comics adaptation, "The Losers."
SOURCE (http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/01/james-vanderbilts-spider-man-reboot.html)

[Ace of Knaves]

SM2 has much more depth than iron man.

you have peter parker whose is being ruined by his alter ego, gives up being a hero so he can pursue his dream and the city crumbles around him. he comes to the realization thathe has to give up his dreams to be a hero. each to their own but I thought that was a MUCH ore compelling story than IM. also for al the tobey dissers I thought he gave a fantastic perfromance which peaked with his confession to aunt may. bravo raimi, bravo toby.

like I said though each to their own but imho only TDK is better than SM2
oh, six years on and STILL the best superhero action sequence (train fight) commited to film

Doesn't have that much more depth than IM.

Tony Stark starts off a selfish playboy billionaire. Ends up a selfless, heroic philanthropist. He has been making weapons all his life. Then he sees how his weapons are being used and grows a conscious. That is a great character journey.

[kedrell]

And that's somehow better?

Being sympathetic doesn't mean you have a good villain. It can go both ways.
Look at the Joker, he's plain evil and is, in my opinion, the best comicbook villain ever.

It's all about motivation and believability. That's what makes a good villain.


I said unsympathetic.

[Crook]

;17933883']http://chud.com/articles/articles/22113/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-TWILIGHT-FOR-SPIDER-MAN-AND-HOLLYWOOD/Page1.html
Hrm. Well that was quick:
First of all, Sony's about to screw up the Spider-Man franchise. Their press release crows about bringing Peter Parker back to high school age in this reboot, and near as I can tell this means one thing and one thing only: Hello, Twilight fanbase.
I stopped reading right about there. Nice to know that apparently one reporter is oblivious as to how the character has spent a great number of decades IN high-school. And in the many interpretations over the past half century, is the very same range which have spawned many classic and great stories.

I'm shaking my head at that retarded connection he just made. HIGH SCHOOL = TWILIGHT?! Brilliant deducing skills. :dry:

[Raith]

Lets just pray it won't be completely CG!!

[Blackman]

SOURCE (http://theplaylist.blogspot.com/2010/01/james-vanderbilts-spider-man-reboot.html)
Nice...cast news soon
Here hoping for Marc Webb and Michael Angarano

[Ace of Knaves]

Oh stop crying about it. Sorry some of us have opinions of what we think is a good idea and what's not.

so because were are against the reboot we are raimi fan boys now and are now lesser spiderman fans :whatever:

No it's because you Raimi fans are completely closed off to the idea that these films might actually be better.

You seem to completely ignore that SM4 was ****ing DOOMED. Haven't you been following the production? Script re-writes. Raimi unhappy. Sony unhappy. etc etc. That spells DOOM for a movie. When creative parties can't see eye to eye, you start a fresh. Any logical person could understand this.

But your not being logical because you are in love with Raimi.

[Blackman]

Hrm. Well that was quick:

I stopped reading right about there. Nice to know that apparently one reporter is oblivious as to how the character has spent a great number of decades IN high-school. And in the many interpretations over the past half century, is the very same range which have spawned many classic and great stories.

I'm shaking my head at that retarded connection he just made. HIGH SCHOOL = TWILIGHT?! Brilliant deducing skills. :dry:
I know, right?

[The Joker]

But in the end, he didn't redeem himself while Doc Ock, Sandman, and Harry did.

I thought his request to spare Harry's feelings was a bit of redemption. "Peter....don't tell Harry".

[VenomVsSpidey]

Nope. Try again fellas.

Raimi tried to make you feel for Osborne. Him losing the company he built.

"DO YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED!"

And Venom? Brock got about as much development as the stranger I passed walking down the road to the corner shop today.

Regardless of character development, Venom was still evil.

[Ace of Knaves]

Regardless of character development, Venom was still evil.

And undeveloped characters are a good thing?

[MikeFrost]

I said unsympathetic.

Exactly. You compared said it as if Spiderman was somehow better because it had sympathetic villains. That's what I pointed out.

Also, can we drop the Iron Man / Spider Man comparisons? Spidey had 3 movies now. Iron Man has 1.

[VenomVsSpidey]

And undeveloped characters are a good thing?

I can't recall saying that.

[kedrell]

Regardless of character development, Venom was still evil.

Not really. He never rose above the level of crybaby. But he's still about as unsympathetic as any Raimi villain ever got(not saying much really). Scarecrow, Joker & Iron Monger were all far more thoroughly evil characters. They were just bad because they were bad and they all did great at it.

[MikeFrost]

And Venom? Brock got about as much development as the stranger I passed walking down the road to the corner shop today.

Can't say he was too much different from the original source material there... :hehe:

[VenomVsSpidey]

kinda like fanboys right? :awesome:

[webhead731]

No it's because you Raimi fans are completely closed off to the idea that these films might actually be better.

You seem to completely ignore that SM4 was ****ing DOOMED. Haven't you been following the production? Script re-writes. Raimi unhappy. Sony unhappy. etc etc. That spells DOOM for a movie. When creative parties can't see eye to eye, you start a fresh. Any logical person could understand this.

But your not being logical because you are in love with Raimi.

No, you have no idea what you're saying.

Just because a movie has production issues doesn't mean it's "TEH DOOMD". They had issues, they should fix them. This is not fixing it. This is the lazy way out.

Why are we mad? Because we do love Raimi's movies. I was looking foward to another one for TWO years. They teased us left and right. Then they said "JUST KIDDING!".
We have every right to be pissed. I would seriously not mind a reboot if they had given us what they were hyping us up for. AFTER Spider-Man 4 atleast.

:o

[GodZANE]

This is ****ing disgraceful, I was actually LOOKING forward to Spidy 4 after the rumours of Malkovich and Hathaway joining, but noooooooooooooooo we have to studios wanting stupid ****** actors like Topher Grace and wank reboots no one ****ing cares about.

[kedrell]

Exactly. You compared said it as if Spiderman was somehow better because it had sympathetic villains. That's what I pointed out.

Also, can we drop the Iron Man / Spider Man comparisons? Spidey had 3 movies now. Iron Man has 1.


No, I said Spider-man was worse off due to too many sympathetic villains.

[Ace of Knaves]

Exactly. You compared said it as if Spiderman was somehow better because it had sympathetic villains. That's what I pointed out.

Also, can we drop the Iron Man / Spider Man comparisons? Spidey had 3 movies now. Iron Man has 1.

No actually he was saying Iron Man was better because the villain didn't HAVE to be sympathetic to be effective.

I can't recall saying that.

Ok. Well, it's not a plus in the Raimi column then.

[Sawyer]

The EW comments are ridiculous... "Ugh, no more Tobey Maguire? I'm so done with Spider-Man." :dry:

[MikeFrost]

Also, I don't get what's preventing Malkovitch or Hathaway joining the franchise now. They didn't get introduced in the other movies, what's keeping them from having roles in the new movies?

[roach]

wow looks like the joke about Peter going to Mephisto for regression came thru

[Ace of Knaves]

No, you have no idea what you're saying.

Just because a movie has production issues doesn't mean it's "TEH DOOMD". They had issues, they should fix them. This is not fixing it. This is the lazy way out.

Why are we mad? Because we do love Raimi's movies. I was looking foward to another one for TWO years. They teased us left and right. Then they said "JUST KIDDING!".
We have every right to be pissed. I would seriously not mind a reboot if they had given us what they were hyping us up for. AFTER Spider-Man 4 atleast.

:o

No, it was pretty obvious Sony didn't trust Raimi and wasn't gonna let him do what he wanted.

You'd rather a film where the director isn't in full control yea?

[Spider-ManHero12]

I thought his request to spare Harry's feelings was a bit of redemption. "Peter....don't tell Harry". Somewhat, but Norman had 2 sides to him as it was. I still look at him and Venom as them being the 2 most evil VIllians in the franchise.

[DACrowe]

I can only say....huh.

I mean I am not heartsick to see Vulture and Black cat in Spider-Man 4...but on the other hand I kind of wish RAimi had a better farewell film because Spider-Man 3 left me a little....let's just say wanting.

Well, we'll have to see. This could be far superior to Raimi's films a la Christopher Nolan. Or the studio could run it into the ground a la Joel Schumaucher or Brett Ratner. Time will tell.

Also, am I the only one who can suggest no more origin and as much as I love Harry, do we have to go down the Goblin Legacy story again after Raimi did end that so well? At least MJ may be done right.

[MikeFrost]

No, I said Spider-man was worse off due to too many sympathetic villains.

Really? Misread it then. Sorry mate. :oldrazz:

[Lord Blackbolt]

seriously....Am I the only one that thinks they offered Cameron a shot to reboot? I doubt he'd do it....but I'm sure thats the first guy they asked.

[webhead731]

No, it was pretty obvious Sony didn't trust Raimi and wasn't gonna let him do what he wanted.

You'd rather a film where the director isn't in full control yea?

Uh duh.

So do it. Don't "LET'S JUST RESTART IT CUZ ITz EZ LULZ!"

[Ace of Knaves]

I can only say....huh.

I mean I am not heartsick to see Vulture and Black cat in Spider-Man 4...but on the other hand I kind of wish RAimi had a better farewell film because Spider-Man 3 left me a little....let's just say wanting.

Well, we'll have to see. This could be far superior to Raimi's films a la Christopher Nolan. Or the studio could run it into the ground a la Joel Schumaucher or Brett Ratner. Time will tell.

Also, am I the only one who can suggest no more origin and as much as I love Harry, do we have to go down the Goblin Legacy story again after Raimi did end that so well? At least MJ may be done right.

Raimi didn't do the Goblin legacy well though. Norman got killed off without really doing... anything. When Norman Osborne is the guy who killed Spidey's first love. I want that in the new movies.

[Gamma Burst]

Can't describe how happy I am with the reboot!My excitement over SM-4 was zero...
Finally we can have a director who understands the characters,an actor who actually can play Peter Parker/Spidey and a beautiful MJ!:spidey:

[spider-neil]

Doesn't have that much more depth than IM.

Tony Stark starts off a selfish playboy billionaire. Ends up a selfless, heroic philanthropist. He has been making weapons all his life. Then he sees how his weapons are being used and grows a conscious. That is a great character journey.

it really comes down to personal taste but I was really moved in the scene where peter fails to save the person in the burning building and he is in his flat and says 'am I not supposed to have what I want, what I need? what am I supposed to do?' you feel his pain (well, I did at least).

I'm rambling now but I thought SM2 was so freaking awesome and whilst I enjoyed IM I enjoyed SM2 more. I saw SM2 more at the cinema and I watch SM2 more than IM on blu ray. sam hit it out of the freaking park.
SM2 9.5/10
IM 9/10

also I feel vindicated in my opinion because on RT/meta critic SM2 is rated higher both in total score and average score

my the new spider-man will top SM2 but I doubt it

[Ace of Knaves]

Uh duh.

So do it. Don't "LET'S JUST RESTART IT CUZ ITz EZ LULZ!"

Wait... did you just say you'd prefer a SM4 by Raimi who is not in full control over a reboot where it's possible the next guy would get full control?

Err...SM3 anyone? :dry:

Seriously are you even a Spider-Man fan? You would accept another studio interfered Spider-Man film over a reboot that would rejuvenate the character in the movies?

This is what I'm talking about. REAL Spider-Man fans would never want that.

[roach]

seriously....Am I the only one that thinks they offered Cameron a shot to reboot? I doubt he'd do it....but I'm sure thats the first guy they asked.

Well he did want to do it back in the 80's

[kedrell]

Raimi's movies have always been full of angsty melodrama. But that ain't the same thing as true depth. For my money, Favs & Nolan's movies have much more actual depth.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well he did want to do it back in the 80's

Yea and he wanted to turn Spider-Mans webs into a metaphor for spunk.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Wait... did you just say you'd prefer a SM4 by Raimi who is not in full control over a reboot where it's possible the next guy would get full control?

Err...SM3 anyone? :dry:

Seriously are you even a Spider-Man fan? You would accept another studio interfered Spider-Man film over a reboot that would rejuvenate the character in the movies?

This is what I'm talking about. REAL Spider-Man fans would never want that. He's not saying that, and neither am I. The bottom line is that overall, Raimi should have gotten what he was promised. Full creative control.

We should have gotten Spider-Man. Period.

[kedrell]

Yea and he wanted to turn Spider-Mans webs into a metaphor for spunk.

Jack Black finally DID get to do that:

U8aLZQbB8hE

[DACrowe]

One is a sequel and already had it's universe grounded by the first movie, the other is the start of the movie franchise. I let you say that after we see Iron Man 2.

Not to get into this kind of fanboy debate/squabble, but Raimi's first two Spidey films I thought were much better than Iron Man. Iron Man was a well produced by the numbers origin movie. The actual story is a formulaic beat by beat revisit of the plots of STM, SM1 and BB. But those three films each did it better in some way. In SM1's case, it made a real coming of age story that flowed well, especially with a villain who was also the father figure that didn't come as a third act contrivance as in Iron Man. Iron Man's quality is that it was well structured to a formula paved before and Robert Downey Junior's AMAZING performance that made the movie stand out. The Incredible Hulk, which came out several months later, followed the same Marvel formula and without something as energetic as RDJ's performance caused it to fall flat.

SM2 just I think nailed its story (though still formulaic) to perfection and gave it a sense of magic and gravitas. It worked better than any superhero formula production before (The Dark Knight just completely blew past any formulas or predicted beats and did its own thing to be the best superhero film ever).

My 2 cents.

[Ace of Knaves]

He's not saying that, and neither am I. The bottom line is that overall, Raimi should have gotten what he was promised. Full creative control.

We should have gotten Spider-Man. Period.

Yea Raimi should of got full creative control. Any director should.

But that wasn't going to be the case for SM4. Hence why I'm happy about a restart. And you should be happy about it to. But it seems Raimi love is blinding you to logic.

[kedrell]

If this ultimately leads to Marvel reaquiring the movie rights sooner than before, then I'd say it'll end up being a good thing.

[spider-neil]

Raimi's movies have always been full of angsty melodrama. But that ain't the same thing as true depth. For my money, Favs & Nolan's movies have much more actual depth.

again, that's a personal opinion. I found the spidey movies more compelling than IM and BB (but not TDK) to be honest I perfer SM1 to IM and BB.

[webhead731]

Wait... did you just say you'd prefer a SM4 by Raimi who is not in full control over a reboot where it's possible the next guy would get full control?

Err...SM3 anyone? :dry:

Seriously are you even a Spider-Man fan? You would accept another studio interfered Spider-Man film over a reboot that would rejuvenate the character in the movies?

This is what I'm talking about. REAL Spider-Man fans would never want that.

I misread your post. I thought you said "is in full control" hence why I said "there's a problem, fix it".

And there are plenty of people who liked Spider-Man 3. Sam Raimi and the studio aren't as...at war as you people seem to exaggerate. Sam Raimi was told to use Venom, he did. Some of you guys didn't end up liking him. Oh, what a surprise. Fanboys didn't like something. It's not his fault. Venom's only issue was the same issue I had with Two-Face...dying with too little screentime. They both died for a purpose, just needed to see more.

And don't tell me I'm not a real Spidey fan. What childish thing to say. :rolleyes:

[Ace of Knaves]

Not to get into this kind of fanboy debate/squabble, but Raimi's first two Spidey films I thought were much better than Iron Man. Iron Man was a well produced by the numbers origin movie. The actual story is a formulaic beat by beat revisit of the plots of STM, SM1 and BB. But those three films each did it better in some way. In SM1's case, it made a real coming of age story that flowed well, especially with a villain who was also the father figure that didn't come as a third act contrivance as in Iron Man. Iron Man's quality is that it was well structured to a formula paved before and Robert Downey Junior's AMAZING performance that made the movie stand out. The Incredible Hulk, which came out several months later, followed the same Marvel formula and without something as energetic as RDJ's performance caused it to fall flat.

SM2 just I think nailed its story (though still formulaic) to perfection and gave it a sense of magic and gravitas. It worked better than any superhero formula production before (The Dark Knight just completely blew past any formulas or predicted beats and did its own thing to be the best superhero film ever).

My 2 cents.

Iron Man's story is nothing like Superman The Movie, Spidey 1 or Begins.

Iron Man actually had a big twist in it. Who would of thought friendly old Stane was the guy behind it all? Only Begins is similar to that.

And as I said, Stark went on a journey from being a selfish, playboy billionaire to a selfless, heroic philanthropist. That's a brilliant character journey.

[spider-neil]

rotten tomato top 5

1. TDK 94% av 8.5/10
2. SM2 94% av 8.3/10
3. STM 93% av 8/10
4. IM 93% av 7.6/10
5. SM 90% av 7.6/10

[DACrowe]

Raimi didn't do the Goblin legacy well though. Norman got killed off without really doing... anything. When Norman Osborne is the guy who killed Spidey's first love. I want that in the new movies.

Well I thought he actually did Harry's arc better than the comics (I know I said it :eek: !)

I thought Peter and Harry were far closer in the films than the comics and Harry's tragedy came through all the more because of it. Yeah doing GG without Gwen Stacy took away his teeth so maybe they can do it right next time (though Dark Knight beat them to the punch), but who knows if they will. I was quite fond of Dafoe's performance though. Despite the suit he nailed the Raimi version of the character. I hope if they do the new series right it is like Spectacular Spider-Man the TV show, except with Stan Lee's Norman and not Mackie's, which is what hte show usses.

[Project862006]

They better get a damn good actor to replace Tobey i don't think they can since Tobey is a phenomenal actor but i will remain optimistic even tho i hate this news.

[Ace of Knaves]

I misread your post. I thought you said "is in full control" hence why I said "there's a problem, fix it".

And there are plenty of people who liked Spider-Man 3. Sam Raimi and the studio aren't as...at war as you people seem to exaggerate. Sam Raimi was told to use Venom, he did. Some of you guys didn't end up liking him. Oh, what a surprise. Fanboys didn't like something. It's not his fault. Venom's only issue was the same issue I had with Two-Face...dying with too little screentime. They both died for a purpose, just needed to see more.

And don't tell me I'm not a real Spidey fan. What childish thing to say. :rolleyes:

No Venoms problem was he had no development. He wants Parker dead because he lost his job and his girl? With no prior indications of mental instability? C'mon... that's PATHETIC story telling. Undeniable. After the success of the first two movies Raimi should of put his foot down and told them he didn't want Venom. But he didn't, he's a soft touch.

And yes they are. The production of SM4 was completely ****ed. Delays, script re-writes, Raimi not happy with them, them not happy with Raimi. To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if Raimi walked. And Sony, instead of doing a Fox and hiring a merc like Ratner, did the decent thing and scrapped it.

And I said any TRUE Spidey fan would want a good Spidey movie. SM4 was doomed. It was highly probable that it wouldn't be good.

[spider-neil]

Not to get into this kind of fanboy debate/squabble, but Raimi's first two Spidey films I thought were much better than Iron Man. Iron Man was a well produced by the numbers origin movie. The actual story is a formulaic beat by beat revisit of the plots of STM, SM1 and BB. But those three films each did it better in some way. In SM1's case, it made a real coming of age story that flowed well, especially with a villain who was also the father figure that didn't come as a third act contrivance as in Iron Man. Iron Man's quality is that it was well structured to a formula paved before and Robert Downey Junior's AMAZING performance that made the movie stand out. The Incredible Hulk, which came out several months later, followed the same Marvel formula and without something as energetic as RDJ's performance caused it to fall flat.

SM2 just I think nailed its story (though still formulaic) to perfection and gave it a sense of magic and gravitas. It worked better than any superhero formula production before (The Dark Knight just completely blew past any formulas or predicted beats and did its own thing to be the best superhero film ever).

My 2 cents.

excellent post, agree 100%

[Spider-ManHero12]

But it seems Raimi love is blinding you to logic. No....that's not true at all. I'm just simply stating how i feel. The reboot won't have Sam Raimi, Tobey maguire, J.K. Simmons, etc. That's one of the BIG reasons why this trilogy was so great.

[Silver Knight]

maybe not, if the go the BB route GG will be held off, start with a smaller villain. hopefully the lizard

Let's hope so.

[kedrell]

I agree with whoever said Franco would've made a better Peter/Spidey. I never really connected to Tobey's take on it.

[VenomVsSpidey]

No Venoms problem was he had no development. He wants Parker dead because he lost his job and his girl? With no prior indications of mental instability? C'mon... that's PATHETIC story telling. Undeniable. After the success of the first two movies Raimi should of put his foot down and told them he didn't want Venom. But he didn't, he's a soft touch.

He ain't much better in the books. Raimi's Venom >>> Venom

[webhead731]

No Venoms problem was he had no development. He wants Parker dead because he lost his job and his girl? With no prior indications of mental instability? C'mon... that's PATHETIC story telling. Undeniable. After the success of the first two movies Raimi should of put his foot down and told them he didn't want Venom. But he didn't, he's a soft touch.

And yes they are. The production of SM4 was completely ****ed. Delays, script re-writes, Raimi not happy with them, them not happy with Raimi. To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if Raimi walked. And Sony, instead of doing a Fox and hiring a merc like Ratner, did the decent thing and scrapped it.

And I said any TRUE Spidey fan would want a good Spidey movie. SM4 was doomed. It was highly probable that it wouldn't be good.

Uh, Eddie Brock was obsessive over Gwen. That was well told in very little bits.

And yes, Spider-Man 4 had issues. But if they had just worked together..for more than like two weeks it could have been fixed. They didn't even try! They took the laziest way out.

[spida-man]

this sucks

[Themanofbat]

Personally, it's too soon for a reboot... 2012? Really? 10 years after the first one? The original Spider-Man of 2002 is still relevant today...

It's just Sony's ******** way of interfering (yet again) on what could have been a great Raimi movie if they just left him alone...

sigh...

:csad:

[Project862006]

I agree with whoever said Franco would've made a better Peter/Spidey. I never really connected to Tobey's take on it.
:dry:Franco is a good looking young man who would have no problems getting girls he does'nt look like a geek or look like Parker