Sony Rebooting Spider-Man for 2012!!!

[Micah12345]

That doesn't sound like the right tone for spidey, but I'd be interested in seeing the final product.

[night0205]

yes, but they aren't making a sequel to SM3, they are scrapping SM4 and rebooting. What would you have them do?

[Micah12345]

I think I'll watch X3 right now. I haven't seen that movie since the midnight premiere in theaters.

[JP]

FINALLY!!!! THANK-YOU SONY!!!!!

Finally! We get to see Spider-Man use his super powers to their full potential on screen. Spider-sense!! Super agility/reflexes!! Wall crawling at insane speeds! Super Strength!

Finally! We get to see a smart-ass, confident, cocky, sarcastic Peter Parker/Spider-Man!

Finally! We get to see villains that you just HATE and are really evil and want to see the Hero prevail against them.....like the Joker!

Finally! We get to see Gwen Stacey die at the hands of the Goblin.....or was it Spidey?!

Finally! We get to see the flirtatious tease party girl that is Mary Jane!

Finally! The basics listed above won't be ignored!

I appreciate Raimi taking the first steps, and I thank him for that, but it's time for him to move on. Look at the Harry Potter movies! Different directors and the movies get better each time! Whereas, with the Spider-Man movies, I was disappointed with SM2 (I just can't get over the lack of agility against Dock and the dozens of punches the super powered being that was Spider-Man laid on Dock, other than that it was perfect), and SM3 (too much crying, so much potential wasted with the symbiote and Venom).


FINALLY BECAUSE I WENT TO THE FUTURE AND SAW THE FILM AND IT WAS FINALLY TRUE TO SPIDEY UNLIKE RAIMI'S FANTASTIC TRILOGY!!!!!


Finally.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Look at the Harry Potter movies! Different directors and the movies get better each time!

are you ****ting me? OOTP sucked. coming from a HP fan's POV.

[Micah12345]

OOTP sucked, but half-blood prince was the best by far.

[JustABill]

FINALLY BECAUSE I WENT TO THE FUTURE AND SAW THE FILM AND IT WAS FINALLY TRUE TO SPIDEY UNLIKE RAIMI'S FANTASTIC TRILOGY!!!!!


Finally.
JP. You are an X-Man fan. Many times we've discussed how Singer has trouble adapting the characters into what's true to their comic halfs. That's EXACTLY the same thing with Raimi.

Both good directors by all means. And gave fantastic efforts, but in feel both left alot to be desired when it came to how they didn't feel like X-Men or Spider-Man.

[Timstuff]

FINALLY!!!! THANK-YOU SONY!!!!!

Finally! We get to see Spider-Man use his super powers to their full potential on screen. Spider-sense!! Super agility/reflexes!! Wall crawling at insane speeds! Super Strength!

Finally! We get to see a smart-ass, confident, cocky, sarcastic Peter Parker/Spider-Man!

Finally! We get to see villains that you just HATE and are really evil and want to see the Hero prevail against them.....like the Joker!

Finally! We get to see Gwen Stacey die at the hands of the Goblin.....or was it Spidey?!

Finally! We get to see the flirtatious tease party girl that is Mary Jane!

Finally! The basics listed above won't be ignored!

I appreciate Raimi taking the first steps, and I thank him for that, but it's time for him to move on. Look at the Harry Potter movies! Different directors and the movies get better each time! Whereas, with the Spider-Man movies, I was disappointed with SM2 (I just can't get over the lack of agility against Dock and the dozens of punches the super powered being that was Spider-Man laid on Dock, other than that it was perfect), and SM3 (too much crying, so much potential wasted with the symbiote and Venom).

You're assuming quite a bit about what they're going to do. And you know what happens when you assume. ;)

The people calling the shots now are not comic book fans, and most of them have probably never even read a comic book. They are likely going to be way further out of touch with what the fanbase wants than Sam Raimi was, so I wouldn't start counting your chickens before they hatch. They're going to do whatever they think will make the most money, and that does not necessarily mean keeping the fanboiz happy. It's not like Bryan Singer leaving X-Men meant a glorious rebirth for X-Men, and these are essentially the same circumstances that led to X3. This is no longer a director's project, it's a studio's project, and when studios run the show we rarely win.

[JustABill]

Sam Raimi wasn't very much of a true fan either. If he was, he'd have gotten the characters right at least.

Once again. Good movies. Great director. Did not feel like Spider-Man.

And we may get the same thing, even worse, but I'd rather be optimistic than run around with a chicken like my head cut off, because a guy who gave us great films is gone, even though they didn't feel very true to the heart of the character.

[SLYspyder]

Sam Raimi wasn't very much of a true fan either. If he was, he'd have gotten the characters right at least.

Once again. Good movies. Great director. Did not feel like Spider-Man.

And we may get the same thing, even worse, but I'd rather be optimistic than run around with a chicken like my head cut off, because a guy who gave us great films is gone, even though they didn't feel very true to the heart of the character.

Quoted for truth.

[Timstuff]

Spider-Man means something different to everyone. Just because Sam Raimi's interpretation of the character was different from yours doesn't make it somehow less valid. Some people see Spider-Man as being the quippy, fun superhero, and other people see him as being the emo superhero. Raimi tended to drift more to the latter, and some fans would have preferred to see more of the former. I don't see either interpretation as being wrong, because to me they both feel like Spider-Man.

Anyway, I think it's a bit naive of SLYspyder to be shouting "thank you Sony!", because it's not like a giant electronics company has his back. They are rebooting because they think it's an easy way to make more money with less hard work and for less money (Toby Maguire alone was going to get something like $25 million for Spidey 4). They couldn't make up their minds as to where the story should go next, so they decided it was easier to choose the nuclear option. This has nothing to do with pleasing the fans, and EVERYTHING to do with counting beans.

[JustABill]

Those who see Spidey as an emo Superhero have clearly NEVER read a Spider-Man comic in their life.

Sure, Spidey has an emotional life, but he's never been emo and he's never been soley focused and rooted in so much melo-drama as Raimi's films would lead you to believe.

That is why for one, I'm glad to see Raimi gone. Brilliant man. I hope to see him do a good film soon. But he just clearly does not understand the characters he was directing for.

[Micah12345]

I'd like to know which fans prefer an emo spider-man to the wisecracking one.

[JustABill]

There's no such thing as the emo Spider-Man. He's always been the wisecracking Spider-Man. Raimi's films are the only adaption of Spider-Man that Peter's just pure melo-drama and emotionalness.

[[A]]

What the..? All of sudden, everyone hates Raimi's Spider-Man!? I know he cried a lot but still! :cmad:

[Spider-Fan]

Raimi did have an understanding of Spider-Man. He nailed the origin, even with the changes he made to it in SM1 (yes, Sandman is Uncle Ben's killer = bad idea, I give you that). He made Spider-Man a responsibility that cost Peter a lot of his social life, much like it does in the comics.

Raimi chose to focus on Spider-Man as a burden more so than an escape from his life, and that isn't an invalid take. It is still Spider-Man. The reason he made the series all about MJ was because he wanted to give Peter a specific thing he was striving for that Spider-Man was getting in the way of.

Yes, he wasn't as jovial as he is in the comics and all that stuff. But, that doesn't mean it still wasn't Spider-Man.

[Micah12345]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't post a whole lot when the plan was for spider-man 4, but this reboot business has me much more excited, and I'm posting more. I was never a raimi fan, I didn't like his vision of spider-man, so I'm hoping for something much closer to the comics this time around.

[Timstuff]

There's no such thing as the emo Spider-Man. He's always been the wisecracking Spider-Man. Raimi's films are the only adaption of Spider-Man that Peter's just pure melo-drama and emotionalness.

Pick up a volume of Ultimate Spider-Man.

[JustABill]

He may have nailed the origin, but that's it. Peter puts on that mask and he's able to forget all about his problems in life, that mask gives him a new level of confidence that he does not feel as Peter Parker. Raimi could have handled that brilliantly, he really could have, but instead he wanted Peter Parker to be Peter Parker at all times. Even in the mask. And that's my main problem with his interpretation of the character. And that's why it's an incredibly terrible take on the character. It takes out a crucial important part of the character and it becomes something else entirely.

[JustABill]

Pick up a volume of Ultimate Spider-Man.
I have. I've bought that series from issue 1. I don't see an emo Spider-Man there. Ultimate Spidey is still a wisecracking ******* full of confidence in his mask. More so even than the 616 version of Spidey at times.

[The Guardian]

I loved the first trilogy, but I'm ecstatic about this news, I think it's great that they're starting fresh!!! Now give me a live action clone of The Spectacular Spider-man animated series's Peter/Spidey, Gwen, and Gobby and I will die a happy man!!!:awesome::up:

[Timstuff]

Raimi's Spider-man did wise crack, just not nearly as much as in the comics. "Shut up and let mom and dad talk" is the kind of thing you expect to hear Spider-Man say. Under the mask, he was a confident showboater, shouting "woohoo!" as he jumped off of buildings. As Peter Parker though, he's a sad, lonely heart who stares out of windows with a longing frown on his face thinking about how badly he wants a girlfriend. That's what he was in the comics (the ultimates, at least), and that's how he was in Raimi's movies.

[JustABill]

I don't see that as wisecracking. And if it was Raimi saying Spider-Man was wisecracking, he turned around and spent sooooo much focus on Peter Parker crying and whining about his problems that it just defeated the purpose of the Spider-Man character.

Raimi always seemed too interested in the Peter Parker side of the character. And that's the problem.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

i personally to want to see another origin story

but if the first movie of this new series does take place in high school then there's gonna have to be an origin

i'd rather they just do what they did in The Incredible Hulk and Batman '89

[Wolvieboy17]

I've been wanting a Spider-Man reboot for ages, but not in this context. Reboots only ever work when a director or writer has a specific vision for one. Thats the only reason Nolan was succesful with the Batman movies. It's not because 'Gritty' equals better, its just that he had such a particular way he wanted to portray a well known character.

Sony is only rebooting Spidey because it was a more attractive option than recasting and getting a new director for the original film series, which isn't the right conditions. You can't force something like this and expect it to be an instant success. Spider-Man was clearly a labour of love for Sam Raimi, and they would need someone with equal passion to succesfully reboot the series, and I don't see that happening. Sony will go with the first competent director they can find, and try and get the film made as quickly as possible.

[JustABill]

I've been wanting a Spider-Man reboot for ages, but not in this context. Reboots only ever work when a director or writer has a specific vision for one. Thats the only reason Nolan was succesful with the Batman movies. It's not because 'Gritty' equals better, its just that he had such a particular way he wanted to portray a well known character.

Sony is only rebooting Spidey because it was a more attractive option than recasting and getting a new director for the original film series, which isn't the right conditions. You can't force something like this and expect it to be an instant success. Spider-Man was clearly a labour of love for Sam Raimi, and they would need someone with equal passion to succesfully reboot the series, and I don't see that happening. Sony will go with the first competent director they can find, and try and get the film made as quickly as possible.
And if this is the case and it tanks, the more the better for us in the end. Disney/Marvel can snatch the rights up because Sony won't even wanna touch Spider-Man if this tanks.

Which I don't think it will. Kids alone will drag their parents to this regardless of the way the trailer looks. That will get so many butts in the theaters alone.

[Batspider77]

FINALLY!!!! THANK-YOU SONY!!!!!

Finally! We get to see Spider-Man use his super powers to their full potential on screen. Spider-sense!! Super agility/reflexes!! Wall crawling at insane speeds! Super Strength!

Finally! We get to see a smart-ass, confident, cocky, sarcastic Peter Parker/Spider-Man!

Finally! We get to see villains that you just HATE and are really evil and want to see the Hero prevail against them.....like the Joker!

Finally! We get to see Gwen Stacey die at the hands of the Goblin.....or was it Spidey?!

Finally! We get to see the flirtatious tease party girl that is Mary Jane!

Finally! The basics listed above won't be ignored!

I appreciate Raimi taking the first steps, and I thank him for that, but it's time for him to move on. Raimi hasn't come close to Spider-Man's full potential on screen!! Look at the Harry Potter movies! Different directors and the movies get better each time! Whereas, with the Spider-Man movies, I was disappointed with SM2 (I just can't get over the lack of agility against Dock and the dozens of punches the super powered being that was Spider-Man laid on Dock, other than that it was perfect), and SM3 (too much crying, so much potential wasted with the symbiote and Venom).



Couldn´t agree more!!!

This is the first Time that i´m getting excited for a Spiderman Movie since Spiderman 2......

[Wolvieboy17]

And if this is the case and it tanks, the more the better for us in the end. Disney/Marvel can snatch the rights up because Sony won't even wanna touch Spider-Man if this tanks.

Which I don't think it will. Kids alone will drag their parents to this regardless of the way the trailer looks. That will get so many butts in the theaters alone.

Thats the problem. The Spidey brand will sell regardless, and Sony only really cares about the money side of things. Same with Fox and the X-Men franchise... Spidey hasn't been dragged through the mud like Batman was, so they haven't needed to bother approaching it with the seriousness that Nolan clearly did with the Batman films.

[BH/HHH]

It makes me laugh when people say Sony interfering ruined SM3 would you have wanted to watch a film where Sandman was the only villain? he is so lame I also hated that they brought it in that he was Uncle Bens real killer its like oh yeah so where the hell was he in Spiderman 1. I'm glad they are rebooting maybe now they'll do the stories justice and not kill off the main villains.

oh btw it may end up been more of a reboot in line of the Incredible Hulk than a redone origin story. I can see it been called the Amazing Spiderman.

[JustABill]

Eh, but we can't be sure. If they make a terrible film though, they'll be no way to sell a sequel if the word of mouth amongst adults is that the film was terrible. So rushing a terrible product through isn't really going to help them in the end. So in the end, it's not like they are purposely gonna go out and get Brett Ratner/McG and create the worst product they can.

They are at least gonna try. This is Sony's number one franchise here. And if they run into the ground and make it flop. They know what's going to happen. Disney/Marvel is going to come along and they'll lose the top franchise. They don't want that to happen. So they are not purposely gonna make the ****test product in the world.

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, but the difference between a good movie and great movie is whats at stake, and I think we all want a great movie. Even if they get a good director it doesnt change things. Wolverine had a good director, but he clearly didn't have any real vision for the film, and ended up getting pushed around by Fox. Sony will look for directors the same way they look for actors... They'll want a big name. But big names aren't always right for the roles.

I know that fans are divided when it comes to the Bryan Singer X-Men movies, but I think when you compare his X Movies to the Brett Ratner ones, you can see the difference between a director who cares and a director who doesn't.

[DJ Fate]

Eh, but we can't be sure. If they make a terrible film though, they'll be no way to sell a sequel if the word of mouth amongst adults is that the film was terrible. So rushing a terrible product through isn't really going to help them in the end. So in the end, it's not like they are purposely gonna go out and get Brett Ratner/McG and create the worst product they can.

They are at least gonna try. This is Sony's number one franchise here. And if they run into the ground and make it flop. They know what's going to happen. Disney/Marvel is going to come along and they'll lose the top franchise. They don't want that to happen. So they are not purposely gonna make the ****test product in the world.

Look at what fox did to x-men, wolverine barely made 20 million more than it's budget domestically. It seemed the interest in the film was pretty low. X-men movies started the comic book movie craze and should be hitting 300 million normally. It appeared alot of people didn't see it and the ones that did didn't bother with a repeat viewing

[Wolvieboy17]

Btw, BH/HHH, how is killing off a villain not doing a story justice? It's not like Spidey was the only supe movie series where main villains get killed. I think thats a perfectly fine plot element.

And Sandman would have been loads better as a solo film simply for the reason that Raimi had an interest for him. The fact that Raimi didn't care for Venom at all showed in SM 3, and thats why it felt flat towards the end. Its what happens when a studio interferes, because their angle is marketability and what sells, not what works for the story, or what makes for an interesting character. The moment you prioritise marketing over a directors vision is the moment you sacrifice quality of the film, hence why Cyclops and so many X-Men were in Wolverine. That movie should have been an origins film, but Fox turned it into a straight spin off.

[JustABill]

Wolverine was far from a flop though or else Fox wouldn't be going along with X-Men: First Class, Deadpool, and Wolverine 2.

But that's different, Spider-Man doesn't have as much wear and tear on it as the X-Men franchise did. Plus, Wolverine was practically the star of the X-Men trilogy, which may be why the intake on it wasn't as much as desired. People had tired of the character perhaps? Word of mouth from Last Stand? Many different things added up there.

[DJ Fate]

Wolverine was far from a flop though or else Fox wouldn't be going along with X-Men: First Class, Deadpool, and Wolverine 2.

But that's different, Spider-Man doesn't have as much wear and tear on it as the X-Men franchise did. Plus, Wolverine was practically the star of the X-Men trilogy, which may be why the intake on it wasn't as much as desired. People had tired of the character perhaps? Word of mouth from Last Stand? Many different things added up there.

The problem is when spiderman movies are making 800 million plus worldwide, iron man is making 565 and wolverine is topping out a 370 worldwide there's a problem with the franchise. Superman made 390 worldwide and after one movie they decided that wasnt nearly enough and are rebooting. There was never any real serious talk of a sequel for it other than Bryan Singer talking about what he could do with the next one

[JustABill]

Let's get back on topic and discuss the reboot of Spider-Man, which hopefully Wolverine will not be appearing in.

[Wolvieboy17]

What really pissed me off about Wolverine is that he has such a simple Origin story. All it needed was a focus, and thats what the film lacked. It should have all just lead up to his volunteering for Weapon X, instead of the bizarre mish mash of events that lead to it. I remember a quote where Hugh Jackman said "After seeing Wolverine, you'll really believe that that character could walk straight from the ending of origins into that bar from the first film" and I remember thinking "Well yeah, because at the end of origins he has no memory or recollection of who he was, so obviously he could walk into any situation. He's a blank freakin canvas!" The beginning titles should have been like 3/4 of the movie, and explored Sabes and Wolvies relationships, with the tension building and culminating in them falling out and Creed killing his loved one. There could have been an awesome final confrontation, I mean, imagine how much more of an impact that whole sabes and wolvie fight would have been if it was at the end, the dramatic high point of the film, where wolverine has his claws snapped off and is devestated. Cue motivation for Weapon X, and that enhances the atrocity and epic tragedy of his memories being wiped in the experiment, because his revenge is denied from him.

Anyway, I digress.

[DJ Fate]

There probably wont be much to discuss for the next few weeks unless sony has gone behind everybody's back and already considered new candidates for director and cast. Sabotaged

[TeejTurtle]

I think this is a dumb move but this has so much potential to do so much more.
I think Raimi grew pete up too fast because his cast were too old.
And for people saying now we wont have a whiney peter parker...um...peter has always been whiney....i mean he's 30 something years old and the guy still whines like a teenager.

[Nathan]

You know, I would've been totally fine if they would've continued the franchise in the same timeline, but simply with a new cast. A reboot wasn't really required.

But knowing that Tobey and Kirstin won't ever return, that makes me all...

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Now I just hope they get decent writers and write the characters properly. You know, I don't mind if they go into the Spectacular Spider-Man direction with all the highschool stuff. And start building up Lizard from the very beginning. :argh:

[Wolvieboy17]

I think Raimi had too much slapstick style comedy, like the lame dancing or awkward moments, rather than actually funny dialogue, which I think would work alot better for his character. I think Iron Man would be a good model for how the movie can be funny, but still have moments of seriousness and so on.

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm probably gonna get lynched for this, but surely... High School Spidey... we could... maybe... enter... Ultimate Spidey territory?...Ahhhhhh! Keep those pitchforks away from me! Oy! Right in the Tuchas! (And other such Bendisisms)

[:eek:]

Mixed feelings about this. Reboot is good because they killed most villains in Raimi's trilogy. But I'm not too excited about the possibility that the next movie might concentrate on the origin-story. Again. If they do I hope it's radically different from the countless times the origin-story has been re-told in the comics and the first movie. Also I'm not too excited about Peter being a high school-kid, but I understand why they want to keep him young.

[spider-neil]

THE two best fights in spider-man was

1) spidey V GG - cemetery

2) spidey V doc ock - clocktower/train

where could quips and wise cracks be placed in the above without slowing the pacing down? seriously.

[BH/HHH]

Btw, BH/HHH, how is killing off a villain not doing a story justice? It's not like Spidey was the only supe movie series where main villains get killed. I think thats a perfectly fine plot element.


Killing off Venom and Doc Ock I didnt like. Green Goblin didnt bother me because I thought Harry would then go on to be the Goblin. Dont these guys ever go to jail? in the comics they do yet in the Raimi movies they all seem to die. It just bothers me that in every film the villain dies, its just a cop out.

[Nathan]

The Vault needs to be introduced in the Movies, so we have a place for all the supervillains. And once he's gone through 6 villains in the Movies, bring on the Sinister Six.

[Wolvieboy17]

But like I said, that happens in alot of superhero films... Obadiah stane in IM, Two Face, Ras, Joker in BM 1. I don't think its a cop out. It makes sense. If you have a villain, hell bent on wreaking havoc, death is a totally logical outcome for any conflict. I think it would be much more of a cop out if they all got sent to prison. Then it would just seem like an obvious way of keeping the door open for sequels.

[spider-neil]

I couldn't give a **** about wisecracks and quips the only thing that makes me happy about a reboot is

a) dunst had truly gone to the dogs.
I don't care what anyone says she was HOT in SM1, voluptuous figure, vibrent red hair, full face with cute dimples but what the **** happened to her? in two she looked like she was on CRACK and in three she was even worse, ever her hair was dull.

b) elfman
the theme tune for spidey is rubbish (RUBBISH!!) it is a batman rip off.
its not in any way inspired like the superman theme tune, heck even the 60's spider-man theme tune is better. if sam has gone I really hope elfman is gone as well. the best score for spidey was the train fight and I thought at LAST elfman does something decent and it turned out to be young, ha ha.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well, good thing you're focusing on the important things that will make the movie. :P

[spider-neil]

THE two best fights in spider-man was

1) spidey V GG - cemetery

2) spidey V doc ock - clocktower/train

where could quips and wise cracks be placed in the above without slowing the pacing down? seriously.


can someone answer this please?

[ultimatefan]

Even though I perfectly understand Raimi´s decision to leave and think it was probably for the best, one thing I´ll NEVER do is join this vicious, sudden, and completely undeserved "he got it wrong all along" bandwagon. Raimi may not have made what this of that fanboy calls the perfect Spider-Man movies, but he made at least two great Spidey movies out of three, all of which had some great action moments, laughs, and heart, and seeked to respect the character. Spider-Man is about much more than saying ten little jokes whlle throwing a punch, and the tremendous critical and commercial success of the first two movies is proof of that.

The problem with having a cash cow is suddenly everyone wants to mllk, and they may end up wearing the cow down and killing it. The series ultimately suffered from the too many cooks syndrom that led to the overstuffed, somewhat incoherent movie that was Spider-Man 3. Raimi, Maguire and their people wisely decided to pull away from it, and rub it in the face of all who´ve been calling him a pushover.

Now is an opportunity, and also a danger. Is it too soon for a reboot? How do you avoid going through the origin all over again and yet making it clear this is a new continuity? Will Sony allow a visionary filmmaker to fullfill a great new take on Spidey, or will crush him with demands like they ultimately did with the first series? Will they hire someone with their own vision or just a hired gun? Those are the questions that will decide whether this reboot will be the new Batman Begins or the new Terminator Salvation.

While some will b**** and moan about their nitpicks - which is what fanboys do 99% of the time, even when they get good stuff - I say thank you Sam. Thank you for your hard work, passion and creativity that made the Spider-Man franchise the juggernaut that it became, and wish you good luck in your future endeavors, and that Sony gets its act together, and do what´s right for the character. like they did the first time.

[Nathan]

can someone answer this please?

Not every situation needs wisecracks. The Green Goblin fight at the cemetery was perfectly fine without it. He just had a grenade blown up in his face and it was a very dire life and death situation.

During the train fight, he could have always thrown a quip when he dodged his tentactles "Hit the Spidey and win a price!", or when Ock was gone for a few seconds and he was looking for him, like "Come out, come out, wherever you are."

[ultimatefan]

The problem is, in the big Spidey fights, there always were high stakes for him, people he cared about were in danger, and it may not feel right to make jokes at these times. In comics, when Spidey is just worried about the villain of the month, he can quip all he likes. Look at the bank fight, for instance, in the beginning he´s exchanging some quips with Doc Ock, but when Aunt May was in danger he stopped. IN the train fight MJ was missing, in the final fight with GG he was pretty much being killed by GG, and then he threatened to kill MJ.

[spider-neil]

Not every situation needs wisecracks. The Green Goblin fight at the cemetery was perfectly fine without it. He just had a grenade blown up in his face and it was a very dire life and death situation.

During the train fight, he could have always thrown a quip when he dodged his tentactles "Hit the Spidey and win a price!", or when Ock was gone for a few seconds and he was looking for him, like "Come out, come out, wherever you are."

heh heh, okay, that's quite good :hehe:

I always thought the PERFECT place for a quip was when spidey was chasing sandman (spidey behind the armoued car)

'everybody was surfing, spider USA!!'

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, see those kind of things are great... And also, the whole point of his quips in the comics is that thats how that character deals with his fear or anxiety, by making lame jokes. So, by that characters motivation, the more scared or the higher the stakes, the more talkative he'd be.

Obviously thats different for the film version, but there were still so many oppurtunities. For instance, anytime Spidey swings in out of nowhere to swing kick a bad guy, perfect oppurtunity for a one liner. Also, there were a few one liners in the movies that weren't jokes, just crappy lines. Like in spidey one, where he says "It's you who's out Gobby... Out of your mind!".... Ouch. Such terrible dialogue.

[JustABill]

The worst attempt at a quip in Raimi's trilogy was probably the ''sheriff" quip.

[spider-neil]

Yeah, see those kind of things are great... And also, the whole point of his quips in the comics is that thats how that character deals with his fear or anxiety, by making lame jokes. So, by that characters motivation, the more scared or the higher the stakes, the more talkative he'd be.

Obviously thats different for the film version, but there were still so many oppurtunities. For instance, anytime Spidey swings in out of nowhere to swing kick a bad guy, perfect oppurtunity for a one liner. Also, there were a few one liners in the movies that weren't jokes, just crappy lines. Like in spidey one, where he says "It's you who's out Gobby... Out of your mind!".... Ouch. Such terrible dialogue.


'here's your change' - was the best quip in the entire series. but the mood was much lighter not like the train fight.
if spidey is fighting for his life against the lizard in the sewers then quips will be so out of place it will be untrue and worse it may cheapen the gravitas of the situation

[Nathan]

Yeah, see those kind of things are great... And also, the whole point of his quips in the comics is that thats how that character deals with his fear or anxiety, by making lame jokes. So, by that characters motivation, the more scared or the higher the stakes, the more talkative he'd be.

I think it also helps to show how dire the situation is or how serious he is, when you have Spidey pretty talkative during the movie, but he's all quite during a fight.

"Why so quiet Spider-Man?! Are you finally getting serious?!" *answers with a hit to the face*

[JustABill]

I think it also helps to show how dire the situation is or how serious he is, when you have Spidey pretty talkative during the movie, but he's all quite during a fight.

"Why so quiet Spider-Man?! Are you finally getting serious?!" *answers with a hit to the face*
That'd probably get the best laugh any Spider-Man movie could ever get. Quips wouldn't ruin the tension if you you had a directo who knew what he was doing, which baffles me why we never got them more with Raimi. He uses comedy in his horror movies all the time and it never ruins the tension in those.

[Sam Fisher]

Wtf?:huh::facepalm::awesome::wow::csad::wall:

[ultimatefan]

Yeah, see those kind of things are great... And also, the whole point of his quips in the comics is that thats how that character deals with his fear or anxiety, by making lame jokes. So, by that characters motivation, the more scared or the higher the stakes, the more talkative he'd be.

Obviously thats different for the film version, but there were still so many oppurtunities. For instance, anytime Spidey swings in out of nowhere to swing kick a bad guy, perfect oppurtunity for a one liner. Also, there were a few one liners in the movies that weren't jokes, just crappy lines. Like in spidey one, where he says "It's you who's out Gobby... Out of your mind!".... Ouch. Such terrible dialogue.

One can say that´s how he deals with the normal anxiety of fighting an enemy, but he still can add levity to it cuz he´s the one in most danger. When it´s someone he deeply cares about, it may not feel right.

[JustABill]

Wtf?
Welcome to Superhero Hype! :D

[Ace of Knaves]

Wow this thread... 1000 replies in a day! :wow:

But seriously, I think Raimi did a great job with the first 2. But let's look at this logically. The studio interfered with SM3, all indications pointed to the studio interfering with SM4. Did we all really want that again? I know I ****ing didn't.

It really wouldn't surprise me if Raimi walked. And Sony, instead of doing a Fox and hiring a merc like the Rat to do SM4 decided to scrap it and start fresh from the beginning again.

We still have Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2, this reboot won't take those away. But I just think when we look at this as Spider-Man fans and not Raimi fans, we will know this was the right decision.

[Timstuff]

As they say, "what works on a page doesn't always work on celluloid." When you're dealing with static images, it's easy to put a quip in every panel, because your mind isn't thinking about how long an action takes to perform versus how long it takes him to say a line of dialogue. When eveything is moving raidly in a movie though, the idea that Peter Parker would be spouting out one-liners every 30 seconds would be more than a little ridiculous.

If Spider-Man is on top of a runaway train fighting Doc Ock, with hundreds of lives are at stake including his own with the score booming in the background while everything moves at a mile a minute, if he suddenly stopped to make fun of Doc Ock's weight it would pull the audience right out of the moment. The movie would practically turn into a comedy, because it's very unlikely that they could fit in as much quippage as the comics and still maintain the intensity of the action scenes. Comics are slow and thus open up much more possibilities in terms of dialogue, but movies are fast and therefore an action scene can't have a constant sarcastic narration.

[ultimatefan]

'here's your change' - was the best quip in the entire series. but the mood was much lighter not like the train fight.
if spidey is fighting for his life against the lizard in the sewers then quips will be so out of place it will be untrue and worse it may cheapen the gravitas of the situation

My favorite onew are "let mommy and daddy talk" when he covers Jameson´s mouth with web, and "I got a knack for that", when Doc Ock complains about Spidey irritating him.

But let´s not forget this thread isn´t about the amount of quipping in the Spidey series, there has been more than enough discussion of that. Plus far worse things have been done with superheroes in movies than not throwing enough wisecracks.

[Sam Fisher]

Welcome to Superhero Hype! :D:woot::up:

[Ace of Knaves]

And all this "quip talk".

It isn't just quips that were missing. It was the whole idea that as soon as Pete puts the mask on, he's a completely different person. Peter Parker and Spider-Man are two different people. This really wasn't evident in any of the movies.

[spider-neil]

My favorite onew are "let mommy and daddy talk" when he covers Jameson´s mouth with web, and "I got a knack for that", when Doc Ock complains about Spidey irritating him.

'let mommy and daddy talk', was classic.
'did your mother make that costume' was brilliant as well

[LostSon88]

Funny how we're getting a reboot and just like that, many fans are quick to trash Raimi's Spidey films like no tomorrow.

Ahh, we are a fickle bunch...

:dry:

[Ace of Knaves]

Funny how we're getting a reboot and just like that, Raimi's Spidey films are getting trashed like no tomorrow.

Ahh, we are a fickle bunch...

:dry:

No... most of the complaints were there when Raimi was still in charge. I know I've been complaining about the lack of difference between Peter and Spider-Man, MJ not being MJ, Norman Osborne getting killed off after doing... nothing since I first joined the Hype.

[Nathan]

One can say that´s how he deals with the normal anxiety of fighting an enemy, but he still can add levity to it cuz he´s the one in most danger. When it´s someone he deeply cares about, it may not feel right.

Even if someone else is in danger, making wisecracks is one of his best assets in a fight. He provokes the enemy, it helps him catch his enemies off guard when they lash out at him. He often uses the enemie's anger to win. Look at some Spectactular Spider-Man Episodes, like when he kept mocking Shocker and he tried to hit Spidey till the theater came crashing down.

[JustABill]

As they say, "what works on a page doesn't always work on celluloid." When you're dealing with static images, it's easy to put a quip in every panel, because your mind isn't thinking about how long an action takes to perform versus how long it takes him to say a line of dialogue. When eveything is moving raidly in a movie though, the idea that Peter Parker would be spouting out one-liners every 30 seconds would be more than a little ridiculous.

If Spider-Man is on top of a runaway train fighting Doc Ock, with hundreds of lives are at stake including his own with the score booming in the background while everything moves at a mile a minute, if he suddenly stopped to make fun of Doc Ock's weight it would pull the audience right out of the moment. The movie would practically turn into a comedy, because it's very unlikely that they could fit in as much quippage as the comics and still maintain the intensity of the action scenes. Comics are slow and thus open up much more possibilities in terms of dialogue, but movies are fast and therefore an action scene can't have a constant sarcastic narration.
You make valid points, but we had Sam Raimi. The man is a master of putting comedy into tense situations in his horror films. Look at Evil Dead and Drag Me to Hell. Very scary films, but laced with bits of comedy in the tension and horror. The man could have made it work with Spider-Man, he just chose not too and IMO it was a mistake.

[ultimatefan]

And all this "quip talk".

It isn't just quips that were missing. It was the whole idea that as soon as Pete puts the mask on, he's a completely different person. Peter Parker and Spider-Man are two different people. This really wasn't evident in any of the movies.


A lot of fans and writers do the opposite interpretation, that one of the things that set Spidey apart from a superhero like Superman or Batman is he IS the same person with the costume on, it´s Peter Parker trying to be a hero, not an entirely new persona, which is why Stan Lee and some of the best Spidey writers have him do mundane things in costume, like eating a donut - or taking the elevator, which to me was far more classic Stan Lee Spidey humor than a hundred wisecracks.

[Ace of Knaves]

A lot of fans and writers do the opposite interpretation, that one of the things that set Spidey apart from a superhero like Superman or Batman is he IS the same person with the costume on, it´s Peter Parker trying to be a hero, not an entirely new persona, which is why Stan Lee and some of the best Spidey writers have him do mundane things in costume, like eating a donut - or taking the elevator, which to me was far more classic Stan Lee Spidey humor than a hundred wisecracks.

Yea but what I mean is as soon as Pete puts the union suit on, his mundane, crappy life is just gone for a while, you know? The Spidey persona is a release for Pete. He isn't this geeky down on his luck kid anymore... he's the Specacular ****ing Spider-Man! :D His confidence sky rockets as soon as he puts the suit on, we never really got that in the movies.

[zeptron]

Reboot supporters if this backfires then don't start complaining about it. This is what you all wanted and you're getting it.

[ultimatefan]

Yea but what I mean is as soon as Pete puts the union suit on, his mundane, crappy life is just gone for a while, you know? The Spidey persona is a release for Pete. He isn't this geeky down on his luck kid anymore... he's the Specacular ****ing Spider-Man! :D

His mundane life is gone in some ways - he can suddenly jump around skyscrappers and whatnot - and still very present in others, he´s one of the most troubled superheroes ever.

[Ace of Knaves]

His mundane life is gone in some ways - he can suddenly jump around skyscrappers and whatnot - and still very present in others, he´s one of the most troubled superheroes ever.

Yea his troubles do catch up with him. But still, the confidence sky rockets when he puts the suit on. You wouldn't think Spider-Man is a down trodden, geeky kid would ya?

[ultimatefan]

Yea his troubles do catch up with him. But still, the confidence sky rockets when he puts the suit on. You wouldn't think Spider-Man is a down trodden, geeky kid would ya?

Yes and no, it´s always been kind of back and forth.

[spider-neil]

A lot of fans and writers do the opposite interpretation, that one of the things that set Spidey apart from a superhero like Superman or Batman is he IS the same person with the costume on, it´s Peter Parker trying to be a hero, not an entirely new persona.

which is exactly what I got from spidey going up as a kid. I thought sam NAILED that spidey in SM2. I've read spidey practically all my life and I couldn't have been happier about SM2.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea well there was none of that in any of the movies, and I'd like to see it implemented in the new ones.

And that isn't me jumping on the bandwagon, I've been saying this since I first started posting in the Spidey forums.

Same as killing off Norman Osborne after he did... well, nothing really.

And MJ being a completely self obsessed, hypocritical biatch. That ain't MJ. In SM3 I was like "Why the **** is Pete with her?"

We still can have Raimi's films, they are never gonna be replaced or disappear, but they were not perfect and now it's time for a fresh start and we should be thinking of the positives to come from this.

[ultimatefan]

Yea well there was none of that in any of the movies, and I'd like to see it implemented in the new ones.

And that isn't me jumping on the bandwagon, I've been saying this since I first started posting in the Spidey forums.

Same as killing off Norman Osborne after he did... well, nothing really.

We still can have Raimi's films, they are never gonna be replaced or disappear, but now it's time for a fresh start and we should be thinking of the positives to come from this.

I wouldn´t say none of that. The "sheriff in these parts" remark in Spidey 3 definitely showed a very confident, even arrogant Spidey. Even "I got a knack for that" had a bit of that. But enough on the quipping matter, seriously. Let´s look into the future.

[spider-neil]

Reboot supporters if this backfires then don't start complaining about it. This is what you all wanted and you're getting it.

I'll be first in line hating on the new spidey movie if it sucks because this franchise didnn't need a reboot. it hadn't hit rock bottom (SM3 is better than a whole HOST of superhero movies) and it was still a finacial success (900m WW for SM3).

the new hollywood with their insatiable need to reboot every mother******

TDK2 not as good as TDK, 'oh, reboot it!!'

[Nathan]

I really hope this time they'll be planning for long run when they make this reboot. Start to develop important characters from the beginning. Drop hints of Dr. Conners being obsessed with his missing arm. Bring Brock in and slowly develop him over several movies, until he's got a very valid reason to despise Spider-Man. So 2-3 movies later you can bring on Lizard and Venom, without it feeling rushed.

[Sam Fisher]

I really hope this time they'll be planning for long run when they make this reboot. Start to develop important characters from the beginning. Drop hints of Dr. Conners being obsessed with his missing arm. Bring Brock in and slowly develop him over several movies, until he's got a very valid reason to despise Spider-Man. So several you can bring on Lizard and Venom, without it feeling rushed.Let's hope Doc Conners will have a bigger role this time.

[Ace of Knaves]

I wouldn´t say none of that. The "sheriff in these parts" remark in Spidey 3 definitely showed a very confident, even arrogant Spidey. Even "I got a knack for that" had a bit of that. But enough on the quipping matter, seriously. Let´s look into the future.

Cool man I think that's what we should be doing.

I honestly believe this could be a good thing. Let's look, studio interfered with Raimi's vision on SM3, we got a mediocre film. All indications pointed to studio interference with SM4. Did we really want that? Honestly? It's proof in the pudding that Raimi's movies would never reach that SM2 peak again.

So why not move on, start fresh, and maybe, just maybe we'll get even BETTER Spidey films.

That's the way I'm gonna look at this whole situation.

[Nathan]

Honestly, if I were Sony I'd start making a plan. So they probably want another 3-4 Movies. Already map out in which Movies you want the villains to appear, then start to develop some of these characters starting with the very first Movie.

[Ace of Knaves]

I'll be first in line hating on the new spidey movie if it sucks because this franchise didnn't need a reboot. it hadn't hit rock bottom (SM3 is better than a whole HOST of superhero movies) and it was still a finacial success (900m WW for SM3).

the new hollywood with their insatiable need to reboot every mother******

TDK2 not as good as TDK, 'oh, reboot it!!'

You keep going on about Hollywood rebooting all the time.

Correct me if I'm wrong... the only super hero movie to be rebooted is Batman. ONE reboot. And look what happened.

You might enjoy SM3 but to deny it's not a step down from SM2 is completely illogical. It was mediocre, doesn't mean you couldn't enjoy it but it WAS mediocre compared to the other 2. Why is that? Because the studio interfered with Raimi. FACT.

All indications point to the studio interfering with Raimi... AGAIN.

Do you want another SM3? Or do you want the possibility of another SM2?

[spider-neil]

I really hope this time they'll be planning for long run when they make this reboot. Start to develop important characters from the beginning. Drop hints of Dr. Conners being obsessed with his missing arm. Bring Brock in and slowly develop him over several movies, until he's got a very valid reason to despise Spider-Man. So 2-3 movies later you can bring on Lizard and Venom, without it feeling rushed.


the pacing of SSM is perfect but they episodes to flesh out the characters, SM has a few hours.

[Ace of Knaves]

Honestly, if I were Sony I'd start making a plan. So they probably want another 3-4 Movies. Already map out in which Movies you want the villains to appear, then start to develop some of these characters starting with the very first Movie.

Exactly. That would be the perfect way to go.

Introduce Norman as just Norman in the first movie. Introduce Brock as just Brock in the first movie. Introduce Doc Conners as Doc Conners in the first movie.

Then gradually develop them over the series until the time is right for them to become villains.

[sauronthegreat]

It was more than obvious that there was nothing to be done more with characters Raimi created for his franchise. I am really glad they realised this in time. As I said some days ago this was the only logical solution. Why spend so much money and time on a withering franchise, when you can start a new and this time make things right as they should have always been.
For me this is the best news I have heard in a while. And let's hope for a team which will use all the potential of these characters and treat them rightly.

[spider-neil]

You keep going on about Hollywood rebooting all the time.

Correct me if I'm wrong... the only super hero movie to be rebooted is Batman. ONE reboot. And look what happened.

You might enjoy SM3 but to deny it's not a step down from SM2 is completely illogical. It was mediocre, doesn't mean you couldn't enjoy it but it WAS mediocre compared to the other 2. Why is that? Because the studio interfered with Raimi. FACT.

All indications point to the studio interfering with Raimi... AGAIN.

Do you want another SM3? Or do you want the possibility of another SM2?


hulk
FF - in the process of being rebooted
daredevil - in the process of being robooted

[JustABill]

Honestly, if I were Sony I'd start making a plan. So they probably want another 3-4 Movies. Already map out in which Movies you want the villains to appear, then start to develop some of these characters starting with the very first Movie.
This. This is another thing that weakened Raimi's films. He could have done so much planning and his movies would have instantly been better.

That's why I want Gwen, MJ, Harry, Norman, Eddie, and Curt Connors all in the first film and lead up to their respectives roles in the Spider-Man universe.

[sauronthegreat]

Exactly. That would be the perfect way to go.

Introduce Norman as just Norman in the first movie. Introduce Brock as just Brock in the first movie. Introduce Doc Conners as Doc Conners in the first movie.

Then gradually develop them over the series until the time is right for them to become villains.

I completely agree. We need a established universe that will exist on it's own. Characters that will endure and be developed throughout the franchise and not for just one film.

[JustABill]

Hulk = Better than the first attempt
Batman Begins = Better than Batman 89. (Though it was no slouch really.)

So far completed reboots wise I'd say we are on a good track record.

[Ace of Knaves]

No Hulk wasn't a 100% reboot. It was a psuedo sequel/reboot

And the FF and Daredevil movies are not in the process of being rebooted. There is no confirmation we are even getting new films of those.

And well done for avoiding the real point of my post :up:

[CrypticOne]

Man....what the hell?! A reboot?! This soon?!

I'm in shock....and I don't know what the hell to think....

What?! I don't know what the hell to say....Spider-Man is my favorite superhero and I love the movies. I'm going to miss Toby's and Raimi's Spider-Man. I wish it didn't end like this.

I wish whoever reboots the Spider-Man movies the best of luck though....

[ultimatefan]

No Hulk wasn't a reboot.

And the FF and Daredevil movies are not in the process of being rebooted. There is no confirmation we are even getting new films of those.

And well done for avoiding the real point of my post :up:

The Incredible Hulk was meant to be a reboot, yes. It had a different cast and crew, different tone and style, even a different origin. It wasn´t much of a successful reboot, sadly, cuz I liked it, but what can you do.

There are plans to reboot FF and Daredevil, just no one is attached yet to write or direct.

[LostSon88]

My main concern is the fact that EVERYONE has or had a reboot in the works.

Spider-man
X-men
Fantastic Four
Superman (though it'll be a while)
Punisher (already tried it, FAIL)
Ghost Rider 2 (described as an essential reboot)
Daredevil (Fox mentioned it)

We've had two successful reboots thus far--Batman and Hulk.

I just think that for me, the whole reboot craze is gonna get old quick and could possibly be the thing that will eventually bring the CBM back down.

[spider-neil]

Hulk = Better than the first attempt





I don't think it is to be honest. the pacing was nice but the new hulk took me right out of the movie, I thought I was watching tekken.

[Nathan]

the pacing of SSM is perfect but they episodes to flesh out the characters, SM has a few hours.

Let's say a Movie at minimum last two hourse. That's 120 Minutes. That's almost 6 Episodes worth of development per Movie. It can be done.

[JustABill]

X-Men isn't a reboot. It's a prequel and origin stories of the first days of the Xavier Institute and the downfall of Xavier and Magneto's relationship chronicled.

Superman and Fantastic Four reboot is far from confirmed too.

[LostSon88]

I don't think it is to be honest. the pacing was nice but the new hulk took me right out of the movie, I thought I was watching tekken.

But I feel Norton and crew got the characters down much better than Ang Lee's version.

[JustABill]

I don't think it is to be honest. the pacing was nice but the new hulk took me right out of the movie, I thought I was watching tekken.
What? The Hulk in that film was far more true to the Hulk of the comics than Ang Lee's version.

Not to mention....Hulk...Poodle. Poodle-Hulk. Nuff said.

[Ace of Knaves]

But I feel Norton and crew got the characters down much better than Ang Lee's version.

Not Gen. Ross they didn't. That is definitely fact.

[Ace of Knaves]

What? The Hulk in that film was far more true to the Hulk of the comics than Ang Lee's version.

Not to mention....Hulk...Poodle. Poodle-Hulk. Nuff said.

No he wasn't, actually.

The desert scene in Ang's Hulk was more Hulk than anything in TIH.

The part where he lands at that lake and looks at his reflection in amazement? PURE Hulk. The part where he's jumping through the air with a look of escapism and peace on his face? PURE Hulk. TIH had nothing even closely resembling that. Oh but he said HULK SMASH! Wow! That means he is a much better Hulk!

[LostSon88]

X-Men isn't a reboot. It's a prequel and origin stories of the first days of the Xavier Institute and the downfall of Xavier and Magneto's relationship chronicled.

Superman and Fantastic Four reboot is far from confirmed too.

Its essentially a reboot because they're going back to the beginning and starting over. The fact that this'll take place nearly 15-20 years before X1 leaves them with an opportunity to basically do whatever they want, and create an entirely new mythology without being tied down to what was established in the original X-trilogy.

And Superman and F4 are not confirmed but they are out there and you know they'll be coming.

I'm just saying that there's this fear that constant rebooting of the characters reeks of oversaturation of the genre. Which is actually something CBM have been criticized as of late...

[spider-neil]

What? The Hulk in that film was far more true to the Hulk of the comics than Ang Lee's version.

Not to mention....Hulk...Poodle. Poodle-Hulk. Nuff said.

the new movie was more true to the tv series rather than the comic books, but I'll leave it there, I'm not a hulk fan I could care less about it.

[JustABill]

It's not a reboot. Singer will most DEFINITELY touch on some of what he did in X1 and X2. I'm SURE. It's not a reboot, that'd mess with Deadpool and Wolverine 2, both of which Fox has greenlit and has in development.

[Nathan]

It's not a reboot. Singer will most DEFINITELY touch on some of what he did in X1 and X2. I'm SURE. It's not a reboot, that'd mess with Deadpool and Wolverine 2, both of which Fox has greenlit and has in development.

Would it actually mess with Deadpool? I'm pretty sure they are going to ignore was has been established in Wolverine.

[JustABill]

No he wasn't, actually.

The desert scene in Ang's Hulk was more Hulk than anything in TIH.

The part where he lands at that lake and looks at his reflection in amazement? PURE Hulk. The part where he's jumping through the air with a look of escapism and peace on his face? PURE Hulk. TIH had nothing even closely resembling that. Oh but he said HULK SMASH! Wow! That means he is a much better Hulk!
Eh. Ang's Hulk was boring, too tall, too sappy. TIH got it right IMO. I'll give you the desert scene though. That was pure Hulk.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea Deadpool is a ... reboot. :funny:

[Ace of Knaves]

Eh. Ang's Hulk was boring, too tall, too sappy. TIH got it right IMO.

Fairy nuff :D

[spider-neil]

Eh. Ang's Hulk was boring, too tall, too sappy. TIH got it right IMO.

depth, pacing, introspection = boring

[JustABill]

depth, pacing, introspection = boring
Ang's another case of a great director on a superhero film that didn't get the character. He's probably the ultimate example. At least Singer and Raimi did some things right. Ang did pretty much NOTHING right.

[Ace of Knaves]

Ang's another case of a great director on a superhero film that didn't get the character. He's probably the ultimate example. At least Singer and Raimi did some things right. Ang did pretty much NOTHING right.

Apart from the things I mentioned and y'know, Gen. Ross actually acting like Gen. Ross not cliche military guy who wants a bio weapon number 2456

[Kanon]

Introduce Norman as just Norman in the first movie.

Wich everybody will know and will be expecting to be the Green Goblin, because every living being on earth already know that storyline from the Spider-Man movie they watched a few years ago.

[Ace of Knaves]

Wich everybody will know and will be expecting to be the Green Goblin, because every living being on earth already know that storyline from the Spider-Man movie they watched a few years ago.

So? So just leave out Spideys greatest villain yea? Don't allow Spideys greatest ever story arc to ever be put on film yea? The Death of Gwen Stacey.

[TheScarecrow]

And when Uncle Ben dies:

"Hey, remember when we saw that guy die three times already in the past decade? Remember how sad it back back in 2002?"

[spider-neil]

Ang's another case of a great director on a superhero film that didn't get the character. He's probably the ultimate example. At least Singer and Raimi did some things right. Ang did pretty much NOTHING right.

I was being sarcastic, I thought the pacing was excellent and lee did a much better job of exploring the psyche of banner and the relationship of bettey and her dad. TIH has better action (but looked cartooney as hell) and that's it, the pacing is all over the place -shortcut to action - ACTION - short cut to action - ACTION. if that is how the new spidey is going to be a handled than I weep for the future.

[Ace of Knaves]

And when Uncle Ben dies:

"Hey, remember when we saw that guy die three times already in the past decade? Remember how sad it back back in 2002?"

Yea well you can blame Raimi for some ****ing stupid reason making Sandman ANOTHER villain personally connected to Peter by changing him to Uncle Bens killer.

[Kanon]

So? So just leave out Spideys greatest villain yea? Don't allow Spideys greatest ever story arc to ever be put on film yea? The Death of Gwen Stacey.
I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that is a suck, no win situation. People is not going to care for the Green Goblin again, and you can't ignore the character, since is one of the top spidey characters.

Reboot is a bad idea right now :csad:

[spider-neil]

personally I think the villians in the OT should be left well alone. spidey has the best rogues gallery (along with flash and batman) I want to SEE them ffs!!

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[Spade]

The Incredible Hulk's performance makes me worried about this reboot. Yes, it's true, Raimi's films had their flaws. The first was a great love letter to Silver Age Spidey, but I've never liked Spider-Man 2 as much as most everyone else, and 3 took what I disliked about 2 and times it by infinity. But people have grown attached to that take on Spider-Man, moreso than the 70s show, the 90s cartoon, or- for some- the comics. You talk "reboot," you're talking about a serious gamble. Maybe this is like Batman, where a new take washes the bad aftertaste of the last movie. But this is coming out on the heels of Spider-Man 3, written by a guy who supposedly contributed to an "awful" draft of Spidey 4, and doing away with the celluloid history of a character that ushered in the commercialized superhero movie wave post-Blade. This sounds more like the Hulk effect, and last time I checked, not only did The Incredible Hulk underperform domestically, but it also failed to get people truly enthused about a new Hulk franchise. Who's to say history won't repeat itself.

I hope Raimi sets his passions elsewhere and that Sony knows what it's doing, but I can't help but feel nervous about what happens next. Even if they announced tomorrow that writers like Bendis and Slott were being consulted or that they're taking an Ultimate-style approach, the audience can be really fickle when it comes to change this big.

[Brock]

Ang's another case of a great director on a superhero film that didn't get the character. He's probably the ultimate example. At least Singer and Raimi did some things right. Ang did pretty much NOTHING right.

Not true...he got the names right, and sort of the color. :woot:

[Nathan]

I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that is a suck, no win situation. People is not going to care for the Green Goblin again, and you can't ignore the character, since is one of the top spidey characters.

Reboot is a bad idea right now :csad:

That depends on how they'll develop the Goblin. A chance of not seeing the Goblin in a Power Ranger suit is already a big plus. You could maybe drop hints of the Goblin already existing and influencing the underworld. But he won't appear in front of Spidey in the first movie.

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that is a suck, no win situation. People is not going to care for the Green Goblin again, and you can't ignore the character, since is one of the top spidey characters.

Reboot is a bad idea right now :csad:

So is a studio interfered SM4.

Why is no one else getting this?

SM3 was mediocre, it was a step down from SM2. Undeniable. Not saying people can't enjoy SM3 but to deny that it wasn't a step down from SM2 is ridiculous.

I've been following the production of SM4, as I'm sure many others have, and it was OBVIOUS the studio was going to interfere AGAIN. It was OBVIOUS we were never gonna hit the peak of SM2 again.

I want the chance at another brilliant Spidey movie... not another mediocre, studio interfered one.

And any Spidey fan would agree.

Some people are accepting mediocrity because it's their favourite hero. Really, that is doing your favourite hero a disservice.

Me for example, Deadpool is my favourite character. When his film comes out, if it's mediocre I will admit it. I won't blindly accept it JUST because it's my favourite character, you know what I'm saying?

[LostSon88]

You're right, a studio inferred Spidey 4 would've sucked. But IMO, a reboot is just as bad and simply done in order to churn out another film for the sake of churning out another film.

So? So just leave out Spideys greatest villain yea? Don't allow Spideys greatest ever story arc to ever be put on film yea? The Death of Gwen Stacey.

This isn't a Batman & Robin situation where the franchise was tanking and in need for an overhaul. Its just so damn unnecessary and clearly done for financial reasons.

[spider-neil]

The Incredible Hulk's performance makes me worried about this reboot. Yes, it's true, Raimi's films had their flaws. The first was a great love letter to Silver Age Spidey, but I've never liked Spider-Man 2 as much as most everyone else, and 3 took what I disliked about 2 and times it by infinity. But people have grown attached to that take on Spider-Man, moreso than the 70s show, the 90s cartoon, or- for some- the comics. You talk "reboot," you're talking about a serious gamble. Maybe this is like Batman, where a new take washes the bad aftertaste of the last movie. But this is coming out on the heels of Spider-Man 3, written by a guy who supposedly contributed to an "awful" draft of Spidey 4, and doing away with the celluloid history of a character that ushered in the commercialized superhero movie wave post-Blade. This sounds more like the Hulk effect, and last time I checked, not only did The Incredible Hulk underperform domestically, but it also failed to get people truly enthused about a new Hulk franchise. Who's to say history won't repeat itself.

I hope Raimi sets his passions elsewhere and that Sony knows what it's doing, but I can't help but feel nervous about what happens next. Even if they announced tomorrow that writers like Bendis and Slott were being consulted or that they're taking an Ultimate-style approach, the audience can be really fickle when it comes to change this big.

a massive gamble indeed.
a lot of haters said 'people only go to see spider-man rather than raimi or tobey' well, we'll soon see wont we.

[Nirvana]

This is ****ing stupid. Why reboot a successful franchise? I hope this backfires on them.

[chamber-music]

I'm just gonna sit back and watch the crazy fall on Spidey Boards over the new reboot like it did on the Batboards.

The Lols on Hype are definetley gonna be over here

[Ace of Knaves]

My big issue for this reboot is simply...WHY?

This isn't a Batman & Robin situation where the franchise was tanking and in need for an overhaul. Its just so damn unnecessary and clearly done for financial reasons.

Read this. That is why I want a reboot.

So is a studio interfered SM4.

Why is no one else getting this?

SM3 was mediocre, it was a step down from SM2. Undeniable. Not saying people can't enjoy SM3 but to deny that it wasn't a step down from SM2 is ridiculous.

I've been following the production of SM4, as I'm sure many others have, and it was OBVIOUS the studio was going to interfere AGAIN. It was OBVIOUS we were never gonna hit the peak of SM2 again.

I want the chance at another brilliant Spidey movie... not another mediocre, studio interfered one.

And any Spidey fan would agree.

Some people are accepting mediocrity because it's their favourite hero. Really, that is doing your favourite hero a disservice.

Me for example, Deadpool is my favourite character. When his film comes out, if it's mediocre I will admit it. I won't blindly accept it JUST because it's my favourite character, you know what I'm saying?

[JustABill]

I think it may have went like this. Sony and Sam were arguing about the direction of SM4. Both wanted very different things. They tried to play nice with one another, but neither wanted to budge. Sam walked out clearly seeing he wasn't going to get anywhere on the project. Sony instantly knew this would cause them to have to recast everyone as they would not be getting Tobey and Kirsten without Sam.

So instead of taking the risk of a Spider-Man 4 with a new cast, they took the risk of a reboot with a new cast.

[Ace of Knaves]

You're right, a studio inferred Spidey 4 would've sucked. But IMO, a reboot is just as bad and simply done in order to churn out another film for the sake of churning out another film.



This isn't a Batman & Robin situation where the franchise was tanking and in need for an overhaul. Its just so damn unnecessary and clearly done for financial reasons.

And what is making SM4 if not to churn out another film for the sake of churning out another film? It's exactly the same thing. Accept we KNOW SM4 wouldn't be the movie Sam wanted to make. We KNOW it would never reach SM2s highs.

Seriously, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Raimi and Sony were arguing, and Raimi left. And Sony instead of doing a Fox and hiring a merc like they did with the Rat, scrapped it and decided to start again.

[Nathan]

I'm already looking forward to the new take on the costume. Will they stick to the previous Movies? Will we get several steps of the costume and see it evolve? He's a highschool kid and seeing him end up with a costume that is several $1000 worth is kinda unrealistic. I liked Ultimate Spider-Man's take, that he got provided with a red & blue costume when he started to wrestle and later added the webs himself.

[Spade]

Regardless of acting merits, to a lot of people, Tobey and Kirsten are Peter and Mary Jane. Not just kids and teens who grew up with the movies, but adults, too. I could live without Tobey as Peter and Kirsten as MJ never clicked, but I'm not one of the people who fell in love with Spidey 2 and bought 3 on DVD. I don't fall in the demographic Sony would want to wrangle for a reboot. They do, and they're the group most poised to be off-put by some new teenage Spidey in an "everything old is new again" approach.

[LostSon88]

Its a ridiculous gamble...an unecessary one. From what i'm getting from it is a case of the studio focusing on the marketing and financial possibilities of the film vs. a director who's intentions are to create a coherent and focused piece of filmmaking he could be proud of. Esp. after the letdown that even he considered Spiderman 3.

The man even with his "worst" Spiderman film brought you a blockbuster hit...if I were the studio, i'd back the f' off and let the man work.

Alas, i'm simply a fanboy on a message board.

[Ace of Knaves]

Regardless of acting merits, to a lot of people, Tobey and Kirsten are Peter and Mary Jane. Not just kids and teens who grew up with the movies, but adults, too. I could live without Tobey as Peter and Kirsten as MJ never clicked, but I'm not one of the people who fell in love with Spidey 2 and bought 3 on DVD. I don't fall in the demographic Sony would want to wrangle for a reboot. They do, and they're the group most poised to be off-put by some new teenage Spidey in an "everything old is new again" approach.

And that is a disservice to the MJ character. MJ from the movies, especially the third one, was a completely self obsessed, hypocritical *****.

I'm happy there is a chance that she will be properly brought to the screen. In fact, I'm more happy about the possibility of Gwen Stacey and the brilliant arc featuring her and her demise.

[Kanon]

So is a studio interfered SM4.

Why is no one else getting this?
True, but this alternative is worse. It's a totally owned by the studio Spidey movie. We are not going to get a great director, to bring his vision. We are gonna get a guy who doesn't have a name to throw into the table, and can shut the hell up when the big guys at Sony start calling the shots about creative decisions. Sony is not going to hire another potential Raimi.

SM3 was mediocre, it was a step down from SM2. Undeniable. Not saying people can't enjoy SM3 but to deny that it wasn't a step down from SM2 is ridiculous.

I've been following the production of SM4, as I'm sure many others have, and it was OBVIOUS the studio was going to interfere AGAIN. It was OBVIOUS we were never gonna hit the peak of SM2 again.

I want the chance at another brilliant Spidey movie... not another mediocre, studio interfered one.

And any Spidey fan would agree.

Some people are accepting mediocrity because it's their favourite hero. Really, that is doing your favourite hero a disservice.
I totally accept that. Good for the fans. But non fans loved the trilogy, accepted Spidey 3, and, at the very best, are going to get bored with going for the same thing again, without the people they learned to love behind.

I know people that loved Spidey 3. Regular folks, never read a comic, not sure if Venom is supposed to be like that. People that just go the see an awesome movie. And I can imagine who a lot of people is like that, and that people is going to be pissed with this change.

[Ace of Knaves]

Its a ridiculous gamble...an unecessary one. From what i'm getting from it is a case of the studio focusing on the marketing and financial possibilities of the film vs. a director who's intentions are to create a coherent and focused piece of filmmaking he could be proud of. Esp. after the letdown that even he considered Spiderman 3.

The man even with his "worst" Spiderman film brought you a blockbuster hit...if I were the studio, i'd back the f' off and let the man work.

Alas, i'm simply a fanboy on a message board.

In a perfect world, that would happen. But it was NOT going to happen, that much is obvious. And me personally, I'd rather have no more Spidey films for a few years and a new team and new direction rather than another studio interfered SM3.

[Crook]

a massive gamble indeed.
a lot of haters said 'people only go to see spider-man rather than raimi or tobey' well, we'll soon see wont we.
Come on. Were people rushing in droves to make SM1 one of the most successful comic book movies of all time...because they were such huge fans of Raimi and Maguire??

Did Bond and Batman not teach us anything? These characters are icons and bigger-than-life. No single person or cast is ever above that standard.

[Ace of Knaves]

True, but this alternative is worse. It's a totally owned by the studio Spidey movie. We are not going to get a great director, to bring his vision. We are gonna get a guy who doesn't have a name to throw into the table, and can shut the hell up when the big guys at Sony start calling the shots about creative decisions. Sony is not going to hire another potential Raimi.


I totally accept that. Good for the fans. But non fans loved the trilogy, accepted Spidey 3, and, at the very best, are going to get bored with going for the same thing again, without the people they learned to love behind.

I know people that loved Spidey 3. Regular folks, never read a comic, not sure if Venom is supposed to be like that. People that just go the see an awesome movie. And I can imagine who a lot of people is like that, and that people is going to be pissed with this change.

If people weren't pissed with the mediocrity of SM3, why would they be pissed at a reboot? Why would that even make any difference to them? It would just be a new Spider-Man film with different people.

[JustABill]

I've told a ton of general public audience about this since it's been announced and it's the same as with us fanboys, mixed. Some think everything will be alright, others are running for the hills.

To be honest, the reboot will make bank even if it does suck, because it has the Spider-Man name on it. Look at X-Men: The Last Stand and Wolverine. Less the stellar films, but made bank for Fox. Hell, somehow X3 became the highest grossing of the franchise. Go figure.

[zenith16]

The Incredible Hulk's performance makes me worried about this reboot. Yes, it's true, Raimi's films had their flaws. The first was a great love letter to Silver Age Spidey, but I've never liked Spider-Man 2 as much as most everyone else, and 3 took what I disliked about 2 and times it by infinity. But people have grown attached to that take on Spider-Man, moreso than the 70s show, the 90s cartoon, or- for some- the comics. You talk "reboot," you're talking about a serious gamble. Maybe this is like Batman, where a new take washes the bad aftertaste of the last movie. But this is coming out on the heels of Spider-Man 3, written by a guy who supposedly contributed to an "awful" draft of Spidey 4, and doing away with the celluloid history of a character that ushered in the commercialized superhero movie wave post-Blade. This sounds more like the Hulk effect, and last time I checked, not only did The Incredible Hulk underperform domestically, but it also failed to get people truly enthused about a new Hulk franchise. Who's to say history won't repeat itself.

I hope Raimi sets his passions elsewhere and that Sony knows what it's doing, but I can't help but feel nervous about what happens next. Even if they announced tomorrow that writers like Bendis and Slott were being consulted or that they're taking an Ultimate-style approach, the audience can be really fickle when it comes to change this big.
technically this franchise was already dieing. too much studio interference. and the thing about recent arguments about turning the the alter ego of black cat into some thing else made no sense. I hope that last thing about that wasn't true though.

But yeah the thing just fully crashed the oonly other person/ film director that might want to touch spider man would be James Cameron. but his idea's are too nuts for spider man. I'm not sure alot of people will love it despite the hype he has with avatar right now.

If there is a reboot I want marvel studios fully in charge of it then.If Marvel's got some control back, then I'm all for it. it's time maybe that marvel bought the rights back with disney's backing.

I don't want to see another full origin story though. Hopefully they can do the same thing as they did the Incredible Hulk. http://bb.elecplay.com/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif if they can get sam back working for marvel studio's it can work well also.( hope he didn't really want to do that to black cat) ether way they should get the rights back.

I wonder who the villain will be?? maybe they can still use vulture and lizard.

[spider-neil]

Come on. Were people rushing in droves to make SM1 one of the most successful comic book movies of all time...because they were such huge fans of Raimi and Maguire??

Did Bond and Batman not teach us anything? These characters are icons and bigger-than-life. No single person or cast is ever above that standard.


people went to SM1 because of spidey but returned because the movie was good. superman is argubly more iconic than spidey, why wasn't returns a success?

[Kanon]

If people weren't pissed with the mediocrity of SM3, why would they be pissed at a reboot? Why would that even make any difference to them? It would just be a new Spider-Man film with different people.
"a new Spider-Man film with different people" is a big deal, if people really like the old guys :)

[LostSon88]

I know people that loved Spidey 3. Regular folks, never read a comic, not sure if Venom is supposed to be like that. People that just go the see an awesome movie. And I can imagine who a lot of people is like that, and that people is going to be pissed with this change.

EXACTLY. They're not doing it for us...in the end we, the fans are a very small minority in the big picture of things. Sony will do whatever they can do to create a Spider-man film that will appeal to the general audiences and make them some money.

Just because it's a reboot doesn't mean they're all of the sudden going to get all "faithful" to the established canon for the sake of the fans, they're gonna do whatever the f*** they want. And unlike under Raimi where he obviously had some significant knowledge of Spidey and was/is a fan...we could get someone completely clueless. Who's to say we WONT get a Brett Ratner type of director. Sony will be looking for a "yes" man type of director for this...not someone who will challenge them with ideas.

Hence, why I feel this reboot is a much more dangerous decision than going with Raimi.

[Ace of Knaves]

people went to SM1 because of spidey but returned because the movie was good. superman is argubly more iconic than spidey, why wasn't returns a success?

Because it was crap.

And don't bring up SM3s numbers again. Doesn't it occur to you that the brilliance of SM2 contributed to people going out in droves to see SM3? Who says they enjoyed it?

[JustABill]

people went to SM1 because of spidey but returned because the movie was good. superman is argubly more iconic than spidey, why wasn't returns a success?
Because it was stuck in a continuity that no one quite understood. And didn't do much in it's advertising to woo people into it. That and you'll find Superman's legacy isn't quite as big as it was say in the years of the Christopher Reeve's film's days.

[The Joker]

Because it was stuck in a continuity that no one quite understood. And didn't do much in it's advertising to woo people into it. That and you'll find Superman's legacy isn't quite as big as it was say in the years of the Christopher Reeve's film's days.

Not to mention it was boring as hell, and lacked a truly great villain for Superman to exchange fisticuffs with.

[LostSon88]

Because it was stuck in a continuity that no one quite understood. And didn't do much in it's advertising to woo people into it. That and you'll find Superman's legacy isn't quite as big as it was say in the years of the Christopher Reeve's film's days.

That and it was f***ing boring.

[Batspider77]

Why all the whining?
Raimis Spiderman Movies are Medicore and cheezy.....Maguire as Parker sucked Major Balls and so does Dunst as Gwen Clone-MJ.
This Reboot is a Chance that we Fans might get the Spiderman Movie that we wanted from the beginning. :spidey::spidey::spidey:

[LostSon88]

or the chance that they'll screw it up even more...you ever think about that?

Like I said before, they don't care about what the fans want, just what'll make them the most money.

[craigdbfan]

Because it was crap.

And don't bring up SM3s numbers again. Doesn't it occur to you that the brilliance of SM2 contributed to people going out in droves to see SM3? Who says they enjoyed it?

They didn't which is evident by the poor DVD sales in comparison to how well the previous two did.

[spider-neil]

I KNOW SR was boring but people are saying the main pull of spidey was spidey himself so why isn't that the case for superman? why will that be the case for the new spidey movies if the movie is less than fantastic?

[JustABill]

They didn't which is evident by the poor DVD sales in comparison to how well the previous two did.
You know, I never even thought to read up on how Spider-Man 3 did on DVD. But now that I think about it, I do find it in more places used than you do Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2.

[JustABill]

I KNOW SR was boring but people are saying the main pull of spidey was spidey himself so why isn't that the case for superman? why will that be the case for the new spidey movies if the movie is less than fantastic?
Spider-Man's a stronger pull character now than Superman. Children and adults like Spider-Man now more than they do Superman. He's become ''the" superhero.

[spider-neil]

You know, I never even thought to read up on how Spider-Man 3 did on DVD. But now that I think about it, I do find it in more places used than you do Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2.

well that's definately true. you hardly ever see SM1 and SM2 in exchange shops but you see LOADS of copies of SM3. I'm keeping my copy of SM3 because even though it was disappointing it had some truly awesome moments as well.

[Batspider77]

or the chance that they'll screw it up even more...you ever think about that?


I think not even Schumacher could screw up the Character of Spiderman more then Raimi did.

[Nathan]

or the chance that they'll screw it up even more...you ever think about that?

I'll take the chance than to be stuck with another boring interpretation of Peter Parker by Tobey and Raimi.

[Crook]

people went to SM1 because of spidey but returned because the movie was good. superman is argubly more iconic than spidey, why wasn't returns a success?
Because character recognition and marketability is not enough to sustain a film's success. That also relies on the writing and the likability of the crew. But this is all obvious.

So let's get straight to the point: are you indicating Raimi and Maguire are the only capable people to do a Spidey film?

[Spade]

I'm inclined to say people would give this a strong showing, but there isn't a true precedent for this. The public interest in what it would be like could offset the actual quality, easily. Even better if it's actually good and people respond in kind. But who knows? Maybe the exact inverse happens. Therein lies the problem. We profit from it as fans, but if this goes butt-upwards, it'd look really silly if a re-reboot, a "fixed" sequel, or a relaunched Spidey 4 follows it up. Doubtful as that may be, these people were discussing the merits of a forced baby storyline and "the Vulturess" as played by Anne Hathaway a few weeks ago.

Also, people seem to be forgetting the Venom film. Besides the obvious "is he the villain in the reboot" speculation, that movie has as much riding on a healthy reception to the reboot since it's most likely tied to that and not the Raimi continuity. It's not just one film spinning plates, it's two.

[Ace of Knaves]

I dunno bout you guys but I'm gonna stick Spider-Man 2 on and love it :up:

[Kanon]

Spider-Man's a stronger pull character now than Superman. Children and adults like Spider-Man now more than they do Superman. He's become ''the" superhero.
So true. But that is mostly because Raimi's films, and Spider-Man is Tobey for a lot of people.

You wanna make an analogy with Superman? Try to imagine Warner rebooting Superman in the mid 80's, without Chris Reeve. Try to picture people not saying "That is not the real superman. Reeve IS Superman" and hating watching the origin story or Luthor arc told all over again.

[JustABill]

So true. But that is mostly because Raimi's films, and Spider-Man is Tobey for a lot of people.

You wanna make an analogy with Superman? Try to imagine Warner rebooting Superman in the mid 80's, without Chris Reeve. Try to picture people not saying "That is not the real superman. Reeve IS Superman" and hating watching the origin story or Luthor arc told all over again.
I think you overestimate how many people liked Tobey Maguire in the role. I know alot of people in the general public who found him insanely boring in the role. He's more like Michael Keaton, than Christopher Reeve. Whereas Christopher Reeve WAS Superman. Tobey Maguire, like Michael Keaton in Batman 89, is simply just an actor playing Spider-Man.

[zenith16]

EXACTLY. They're not doing it for us...in the end we, the fans are a very small minority in the big picture of things. Sony will do whatever they can do to create a Spider-man film that will appeal to the general audiences and make them some money.

Just because it's a reboot doesn't mean they're all of the sudden going to get all "faithful" to the established canon for the sake of the fans, they're gonna do whatever the f*** they want. And unlike under Raimi where he obviously had some significant knowledge of Spidey and was/is a fan...we could get someone completely clueless. Who's to say we WONT get a Brett Ratner type of director. Sony will be looking for a "yes" man type of director for this...not someone who will challenge them with ideas.

Hence, why I feel this reboot is a much more dangerous decision than going with Raimi.

All the more reason Sony should loose rights. cause they think that way. it's us paying for the movie if they see it that way. And if we don't like it we simply don't go. they loose money. I'm kinda tired of that kind of thinking by big film companies. most of the general audience have buddies that were into these books and pulled to that aren't into them to those movie theaters
the stupid saying of
"Oh the fans of these thing that made these thing popular enough for us to look at as way to make money aren't important enough. cause we deem it so." is lame

They wouldn't have touched those films as a way to make money if fans weren't into it in the first place for them to say you know we can make money of this comic franchise of books. it's us pulling those other people in cause their buddies of ours as well. they keep for getting to factor that in.

seriously that is a double negative of thinking. If they really see things that way and it's really time that train of thought was sent away packing.

The god damn fan base is what puts money in their pockets damn it. seeing we the one that bring our none comic book reading buddies to the films . Time to wake up sony. that excuse is terrible.

[Nathan]

Honestly, Tobey is no Christopher Reeve.

[JustABill]

Honestly, Tobey is no Christopher Reeve.
Exactly like I said. He's more comparable to Michael Keaton. Alright and decent in his interpretation of the character, but Christopher Reeve BECAME Superman.

[LostSon88]

So let's get straight to the point: are you indicating Raimi and Maguire are the only capable people to do a Spidey film?

I'm not trying to say that per se, but I have much more faith in them since they've done it 3 times already. I guess you can say I want them back because they're the 'safe' choice. Raimi knocked out 3 very respectable films...

With this reboot, we could get someone good or medicore, I seriously doubt the studio will be able to get someone 'great'. Especially since it seems they'll be very hands-on with the next Spidey film. Plus given the rumor going around that the script for 4 is very 'dark' and in tone of Batman Begins? Uhh...yeah.

[Vile]

*happy dance*

[spider-neil]

Because character recognition and marketability is not enough to sustain a film's success. That also relies on the writing and the likability of the crew. But this is all obvious.

So let's get straight to the point: are you indicating Raimi and Maguire are the only capable people to do a Spidey film?

no I'm saying people wont automatically watch spidey because its spidey.

[JustABill]

no I'm saying people wont automatically watch spidey because its spidey.
Except..yes, they will. He's ''The" Superhero right now. You say superhero to someone on the street. They say, Spider-Man. Either him or Batman. That's just common knowledge.

[Kanon]

I think you overestimate how many people liked Tobey Maguire in the role. I know alot of people in the general public who found him insanely boring in the role.
Love him, or hate him, he has become the face of Peter Parker. His image is heavily associated with the character.

Recasting is ALWAYS an uphill battle. This is recasting in a REMAKE of, at least, ok recent superhero movies.

And it's the 21st century. It's not the 80s, where people didn't know or cared who is directing the movies. I can't imagine this conversation happening at least once, for people curious about the movie:

- Hey! new Spidey movie. Why there is a different cast, and they are starting over

- Because the studio and the former director didn't get along, so Sony got rid of everyone, and started over.

[Nathan]

no I'm saying people wont automatically watch spidey because its spidey.

I think they will and when it turns out great, they will go watch it again. I doubt many or any people at all rushed to the theaters because they heard Raimi was directing and Tobey was starring as Spider-Man.

They saw the awesome trailer of Spider-Man swinging around and rushed to see the movie. Then they were pleasently surprised and watched it again and spread good word of mouth.

[Crook]

I'm not trying to say that per se, but I have much more faith in them since they've done it 3 times already. I guess you can say I want them back because they're the 'safe' choice. Raimi knocked out 3 very respectable films...

With this reboot, we could get someone good or medicore, I seriously doubt the studio will be able to get someone 'great'. Especially since it seems they'll be very hands-on with the next Spidey film. Plus given the rumor going around that the script for 4 is very 'dark' and in tone of Batman Begins? Uhh...yeah.
May I point you to the Casino Royale days? Infamously hands-on studio, beloved actor in leading role getting cast off, reboot after critically panned (but financially successful) movie, new creative team intent on taking the source material a bit more seriously, huge fan backlash... we all know how that all turned out.

I understand the worries for how this could all turn horribly wrong. But why focus on that? There's just as much possibility this could be GREAT.

[spider-neil]

Except..yes, they will. He's ''The" Superhero right now. You say superhero to someone on the street. They say, Spider-Man. Either him or Batman. That's just common knowledge.

SM3 had the momentum of SM2 behind it, if the new movie is less than stella imho it will tank.

[Kanon]

With this reboot, we could get someone good or medicore, I seriously doubt the studio will be able to get someone 'great'.
We are not going to get someone great. Raimi didn't leave the movie cause the money wasn't enough for him. Spidey 4 didn't get made because Raimi was great, so he had a saying in things. The studio doesn't want any more of that. They don't want someone 'great', not other Raimi. They want someone who can shut up and make their movie.

[JustABill]

SM3 had the momentum of SM2 behind it, if the new movie is less than stella imho it will tank.
That is any film though. Bad films don't make bank, and if they do it's because either nothing was out that weekend or people were just stupid (all those spoof movies that got out of hand for a while being a perfect example/Twilight Saga being another.)

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This just smacks of Sony trying to save money on a 4th installment for me. With Spidey 3 costing so much, they couldnt exactly reduce the budget for Spiderman 4 could they, but they can do a re-boot with a cheap cast for $150-200 million and make more profit.

Despite the fact that I hate Vulture, I would have much rather seen Raimi's Spiderman 4 than this personally.

[JustABill]

We are not going to get someone great. Raimi didn't leave the movie cause the money wasn't enough for him. Spidey 4 didn't get made because Raimi was great, so he had a saying in things. The studio doesn't want any more of that. They don't want someone 'great', not other Raimi. They want someone who can shut up and make their movie.
We can't know this for certain though. None of us were behind the scenes with Sony and Raimi.

[Agent 194]

Uh oh. This sounds bad. As much as I disagreed with some of Raimi and Toby's creative choices those films had some good points. Are they going to ruin it and make it as stupid as the new Star Trek movie was. Yes, I'm the one who hated it! Hated, hated.

[Crook]

This just smacks of Sony trying to save money on a 4th installment for me. With Spidey 3 costing so much, they couldnt exactly reduce the budget for Spiderman 4 could they, but they can do a re-boot with a cheap cast for $150-200 million and make more profit.

Despite the fact that I hate Vulture, I would have much rather seen Raimi's Spiderman 4 than this personally.
This was merely incentive and a perk to the reboot decision. They could have continued without Raimi, but there's obvious baggage there. It's cost-effective, yes, but it also makes the most sense given that Raimi and co. were not going to continue.

[LostSon88]

May I point you to the Casino Royale days? Infamously hands-on studio, beloved actor in leading role getting cast off, reboot after critically panned (but financially successful) movie, new creative team intent on taking the source material a bit more seriously....

But that studio put that franchise in the hands of a man they had once trusted to reboot it 10 years prior--Martin Cambell. So there's a trust there and confidence going into Casino Royale because Cambell had done it once before.

This is also why I have faith in X-Men: First Class, simply because it is in the hands of someone who knows and has done it (Bryan Singer).

With Spider-man there is no one out there I could see Sony turning to to make it a worthwhile franchise again...that is of course unless Cameron is interested (which of course he isn't). Like I said, I get the vibe they're going to search for a "yes" man...I just feel it.

[JustABill]

Uh oh. This sounds bad. As much as I disagreed with some of Raimi and Toby's creative choices those films had some good points. Are they going to ruin it and make it as stupid as the new Star Trek movie was. Yes, I'm the one who hated it! Hated, hated.
If they make it as stupid as the new Star Trek movie we are in for one hell of a good movie. I for one hope they do make it as ''stupid" as that new Star Trek movie. :D

[LostSon88]

we are not going to get someone great. Raimi didn't leave the movie cause the money wasn't enough for him. Spidey 4 didn't get made because raimi was great, so he had a saying in things. The studio doesn't want any more of that. They don't want someone 'great', not other raimi. They want someone who can shut up and make their movie.

qft.

[zenith16]

no I'm saying people wont automatically watch spidey because its spidey.

too true some people don't see films like that if they can't get the orginal cast back the movie audience will indeed drop it. or have trust issues with the next film. it's always been that way with film. the sequels that per form best are those that manage to get ether all of most of the orginal cast back minus the fact the cast memebers character weren't killed off. thsoe are the films that per form best.

other that fail this formula tend to do poor ly in the box office.

[spider-neil]

That is any film though. Bad films don't make bank, and if they do it's because either nothing was out that weekend or people were just stupid (all those spoof movies that got out of hand for a while being a perfect example/Twilight Saga being another.)

*cough* TF2 *cough*

but that has the momentum of the first movie behind it

[Kanon]

We can't know this for certain though. None of us were behind the scenes with Sony and Raimi.
We do know it was over creative differences, right? The official version is that Raimi and the studio didn't get a script togheter because of that. If that's so, the studio is not going for trouble again.

Maybe it wasn't like that, and Raimi just was trying to get off the hook and start working on Warcraft, who knows... But the official story is that, and a big director, with his own ideas, and power, wouldn't make sense here.

[LostSon88]

Yep, though we may not know all the facts, it seems to boil down to creative differences between what Raimi wanted vs what the studio wanted. In the end, Raimi walked.

Now, they'll be looking for a director that'll give them what they want.

[zenith16]

Yep, though we may not know all the facts, it seems to boil down to creative differences between what Raimi wanted vs what the studio wanted. In the end, Raimi walked.

Now, they'll be looking for a director that'll give them what they want. the thing is will what the studio of sony wants be a great movie or the killer of them making any franchise they want with spidey? the the thing here? let's remember it was them interfearing the last time that made spidey 3 go bad. so this might not have been a good thing and it's time marvel bought back the rights. cause I seriouly see them screwing this up. cause they just see the cash.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This was merely incentive and a perk to the reboot decision. They could have continued without Raimi, but there's obvious baggage there. It's cost-effective, yes, but it also makes the most sense given that Raimi and co. were not going to continue.

It seems like this is the ONLY incentive for Sony in this though, as well as keeping the rights, I dont think they will suddenly go mega faithful as some people hope.

Yep, though we may not know all the facts, it seems to boil down to creative differences between what Raimi wanted vs what the studio wanted. In the end, Raimi walked.

Now, they'll be looking for a director that'll give them what they want.

And thats what worries me, this sounds like something Fox would normally do, and we all know what 99% of their movies turn out like!

[JustABill]

Looking at the moviehole details about Raimi's Spider-Man 4 can you honestly say that Sony did not make the right decision here? It sounds like a complete utter turd.

[zenith16]

It seems like this is the ONLY incentive for Sony in this though, as well as keeping the rights, I dont think they will suddenly go mega faithful as some people hope.



And thats what worries me, this sounds like something Fox would normally do, and we all know what 99% of their movies turn out like!

yup we do know what happens when fox does that. sony's headed down the same path . they must have hired some one from there after they lost their job over thinking like that some time ago around the time of the 3rd movie . if thats the case that was a mistake to hire that person.

[SuperFerret]

May I point you to the Casino Royale days? Infamously hands-on studio, beloved actor in leading role getting cast off, reboot after critically panned (but financially successful) movie, new creative team intent on taking the source material a bit more seriously, huge fan backlash... we all know how that all turned out.

I understand the worries for how this could all turn horribly wrong. But why focus on that? There's just as much possibility this could be GREAT.

So we'll get a good movie with sprinkles of Spider-Man flavoring?

[LostSon88]

Looking at the moviehole details about Raimi's Spider-Man 4 can you honestly say that Sony did not make the right decision here? It sounds like a complete utter turd.

Those details reek of studio interference though. Adding "The Vultress", changing her from "Black Cat" adding a potential 3rd villain--all believed to come from Sony (based on the article) It also mentions how it went through 5 different writers.

Granted Vulture as editor of the Daily Bugle blows but based on those details it seems as if Raimi never got a fair shot at writing HIS Spider-man 4 script.

[JustABill]

Raimi came up with the major basis. He himself is as much responsible for the suckage of Spider-Man 4. He probably saved the franchise completely by walking or else we would have had the Batman and Robin of Spider-Man coming our way.

[zenith16]

Looking at the moviehole details about Raimi's Spider-Man 4 can you honestly say that Sony did not make the right decision here? It sounds like a complete utter turd.
I consider the Vultress rumors just rumor until I see more that is . The cast so far I have no problem, with. well I still would had scarlet Jo as black cat/ felicia hardy cause she seems to fit that more but she's on iron man unfortunately. that still would have worked in my mind though.

any way I see the Vultress thing as some thing the studio cooked up. I hope.

[LostSon88]

Raimi came up with the major basis. He himself is as much responsible for the suckage of Spider-Man 4. He probably saved the franchise completely by walking or else we would have had the Batman and Robin of Spider-Man coming our way.

Based on the article here's what we know (speculative):

The Studio:
-Change Black Cat...call her Vultress.
-Put Vultress in script.
-Add 3rd villain.

Raimi:
-Vulture editor of Daily Bugle.

Raimi may have made a mis-step with that, but the studio wasn't exactly lending a helping hand.

[JustABill]

Based on the article here's what we know (speculative):

The Studio:
-Change Black Cat...call her Vultress.
-Put Vultress in script.
-Add 3rd villain.

Raimi:
-Vulture editor of Daily Bugle.

Raimi may have made a mis-step with that, but the studio wasn't exactly lending a helping hand.
He came up with the basic outline. We aren't sure there was a 3rd villain, just that their was talks of one. So they put Vulutress in the script, but Raimi himself was well on his way to a doom Spider-Man 4 by repeating his same mistake with Sandman, making him closer to Parker than he needed to be.

Raimi does not get out of jail free card here, just because he walked away. He made mistakes, he wrote and came up with a ****** script, the studio just made ****tier. The only brownie points he gets her is for walking away, for knowing that what would be realized would be a massive turdpile of Batman and Robin proportions.

[Kanon]

Vulture as editor isn't that bad... It's not straight from the comics, but that doesn't make it bad... It doesn't sound worse than organic web shooters...

Vultress is a whole different thing...

[Ipodman]

When ppl complained about the dancing scenes in Spidey 3, i think Sony took it as they dont want humour of any kind at all.

Gritty Spider-Man? Ew

[zenith16]

Based on the article here's what we know (speculative):

The Studio:
-Change Black Cat...call her Vultress.
-Put Vultress in script.
-Add 3rd villain.

Raimi:
-Vulture editor of Daily Bugle.

Raimi may have made a mis-step with that, but the studio wasn't exactly lending a helping hand.Well if sam was looking for a way to introduce Vulture I guess him becoming a new boss of the Daily Bugle, isn't that over the top. though I think him entering from peters scientific side makes more sense. but he wanted to change things up. from doc oc make sense to me. nothing wrong there.

[LostSon88]

He came up with the basic outline. We aren't sure there was a 3rd villain, just that their was talks of one. So they put Vulutress in the script, but Raimi himself was well on his way to a doom Spider-Man 4 by repeating his same mistake with Sandman, making him closer to Parker than he needed to be.

But he did the same with Norman Osbourne and Doc Ock and those didn't turn out too bad...I agree Sandman was a bunch of bull but at the same time, Raimi had proven in the past two films that he could make those relationships work.

Not saying I agree with making Vulture the editor, but if Raimi could make it work in his first two films and w/o studio interference ala SM3, than more power to him.

But all this studio b.s. freakin' doomed the script to the point of no return apparently.

[JustABill]

But he did the same with Norman Osbourne and Doc Ock and those didn't turn out too bad...I agree Sandman was a bunch of bull but at the same time, Raimi had proven in the past two films that he could make those relationships work.

Not saying I agree with making Vulture the editor, but if Raimi could make it work in his first two films and w/o studio interference ala SM3, than more power to him.

But all this studio b.s. freakin' doomed the script to the point of no return apparently.
Norman was basis from the comics though. He was his best friend's dad. Doc Ock worked to a degree, yes.

But Raimi seems like he wanted to go down the same path he did with all the o ther villains which isn't very fresh or interesting.

The studio made it worse by adding onto his already cliche and been there ideas. Sam was disatisifed because he couldn't do what he wanted and Sony saw that they had just created one big old **** pile, so they prepared a second better script and it won out and THANK GOD for that.

[zenith16]

Nah with sand man he was working on a forgive ness and revenge story so peter can see what how harry see's him. and under stand some thing about for giveness. his story got screwed with the third villain angle.

yeah I think and know it was the studio for sure now and they need to loose the rights now over it. disney and marvel should make their move now and buy the rights back . While they have the chance..

[Ipodman]

Anne Hathaway backed out probably because the script was horrible?

[LostSon88]

Well that's exactly why they're trying to push out a 4th film...so they don't lose the rights.

Ugh...

[Ipodman]

yeah I think and know it was the studio for sure now and they need to loose the rights now over it. disney and marvel should make their move now and buy the rights back . While they have the chance..

Yea.. a new trilogy is a looong time...

[Crook]

So we'll get a good movie with sprinkles of Spider-Man flavoring?
Can you read? The word "possibility" is right there in clear lettering. Do you need it bolded?

yeah I think and know it was the studio for sure now and they need to loose the rights now over it. disney and marvel should make their move now and buy the rights back . While they have the chance..
I don't think that's open. I believe the rights revert back if Sony doesn't get a film rolling by 2012.

[JustABill]

Anne Hathaway backed out probably because the script was horrible?
Makes sense, John Malkovich is known to take terrible scripts though. Wasn't he in one of Uwe Bowel's films?

[Kanon]

I wonder if the Vulture as editor was going to be any worse as Norman as co-editor in the comics... Could have been the same situation? JJJ was in the script? J.K. Simmons was supposed to return...

[Crook]

Makes sense, John Malkovich is known to take terrible scripts though. Wasn't he in one of Uwe Bowel's films?
No, that would be the other old guy, Ben Kingsley.

[JustABill]

No, that would be the other old guy, Ben Kingsley.
Ah, I get them confused sometimes for some reason. Lol. Oh well. That makes me wonder why Malkovich would stay on a project that was clearly falling apart.

[zenith16]

I don't think that's open. I believe the rights revert back if Sony doesn't get a film rolling by 2012. Damn it. I for got about that detail . well there must be a loop hole other then that. They should at least try. and disney has more money any way. they should be able to pull that off.

[dnno1]

Why do they need to reboot it?

We have everything established, so I really hope they just continue on where spider-man 3 ended. If there's no need for a reboot when Stan Lee left the spider-man books, then you don't need to do it with the movies.

I'm sort of pissed with this news since I loved Raimi and really think he would've made #4 his best. Either way, I'm excited for the next spider-man movie.

The actors are getting too old for the 12-24-year-old crowd. Time for some younger actors that can connect with that demographic.

[zenith16]

Ah, I get them confused sometimes for some reason. Lol. Oh well. That makes me wonder why Malkovich would stay on a project that was clearly falling apart. he just got fully signed on to the film same week they announced it was being rebooted. which I'm sure his head is spining over it.

I bet he's going what the hell's going on?

[CrypticOne]

I wonder how the actors and people behind the first trilogy feel about this reboot. They have to feel disrespected on some level....I mean these movies only came out, what....8 years ago? I know we'll always have the movies, the first trilogy, to always watch, but I don't know....as a fan of the first trilogy, I kinda feel disrespected that they'd (Sony) give up on this so fast. All of that time and energy and money....just kinda seems like its being flushed away.

[Slusho]

This is really a mixed bag of feelings for me.


What's great: we dodged this terrible SM4 script

What's good: Maguire is no longer Spider-Man, Dunst is no longer MJ

What's bad: JK Simmons probably won't be JJJ anymore; dark and gritty?

What's terrible: The Reboot is happening at Sony, not at Marvel Studios


I remain hopeful, but I can easily see this reboot being as bad as the propsed SM4

[zenith16]

I wonder how the actors and people behind the first trilogy feel about this reboot. They have to feel disrespected on some level....I mean these movies only came out, what....8 years ago? I know we'll always have the movies, the first trilogy, to always watch, but I don't know....as a fan of the first trilogy, I kinda feel disrespected that they'd (Sony) give up on this so fast. All of that time and energy and money....just kinda seems like its being flushed away.
it's cause their mind sets is on the money only which is what's killing Sony in this the deparment with spidey. their making poor choices cause they think they'll get bank from it and not think clearly other then and beyond that.

[shinlyle]

Rebooting the Spider-Man franshise after a mere 8 years since its beginning is the equivalent of scrapping a a car for a flat tire. This is retarded.

[Ipodman]

First trilogy could be the "Mary Jane Trilogy", and second trilogy could be the "Gwen Stacy Trilogy" :)

[zenith16]

Rebooting the Spider-Man franshise after a mere 8 years since its beginning is the equivalent of scrapping a a car for a flat tire. This is retarded. the main cast Toby and kirsten dunst said thye won't work with any one other then SAM raimi as Director. so their rebooting the whole thing over that. Those two said it so many times on TV during and befor spidey 3 and it's on web video's it's hard for sony to ignore. those two mean it too. So they have no chose but to reboot. it's more the the age thing going on here. as dnno 1 mentioned

[Nathan]

actors like Toby and kirsten dunst said the won't work with any one other then SAM raimi. so their rebooting the whole thing over that. those two said it so many times on TV and it's on web video's it's hard for sony to ignore. those two mean it too. so they have no chose but to reboot.

Not really, they could easily continue it with a new creative cast. Like other Movie franchises have done before. But I actually like the idea of focusing on Parker's highschool years.

[NinjaCarm]

Does anyone realize that 2012-2007=5 years since anyone will have seen a Spider-Man film?

That's a appropiate gap for a reboot, in terms of people not being exposed to the character on film. And in this case it was warranted IMO.

[Immortalfire]

This whole thing seems extremely premature, on Sony's part. Reboot a series that's less than a decade old and in no real trouble, but just because you didn't want to fit Sam's schedule....yeah.

[DIRECTOR]

Not really, they could easily continue it with a new creative cast. Like other Movie franchises have done before. But I actually like the idea of focusing on Parker's highschool years.
I don't like this whole high school years thing. I want adult stuff, not another "Kick-Ass" movie

[RAMORE]

This is almost a dream come true for me. Only one problem. Sony is rebooting it instead of Marvel.

Exactly my thoughts:up: After IM it just proved you can do it so much better and while I have a fond spot for spiderman and xmen I can see how compromising they really are to the source.

[craigdbfan]

Again people are forgetting the years and plethora of great Spidey comic books that have concentrated on his high school experience.

Just because he's in high school doesn't mean it'll turn into some Twilight/High School Musical atrocity.

[Ace of Knaves]

Some of you are still not getting it.

SM4 was DOOMED.

Would you rather have a crappy fourth film, that the studio interferes with like SM3?

Or the possibility of Spider-Man movies reaching the heights of Spider-Man 2 again?

As a Spider-Man fan, I'll go with the latter thanks.

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't like this whole high school years thing. I want adult stuff, not another "Kick-Ass" movie

Some of the best EVER Spider-Man stories are set when he was in high school. So, yea...

[JustABill]

I love how even though we were headed for a disaster of Batman and Robin proportions this reboots still worse. Still the wrong thing to do. Do you people understand next year we'd have been sitting down to watch what would have killed the Spider-Man franchise for at least 10 years?

[RAMORE]

wow I was gonna read through the thread but its got 50 pages since last night! This is like the beginning guys, you newer people don't understand anybody who came on board when this was spidermanhype will know this could be a new genesis!

[roach]

1)I think we should wait to see if this is a good/bad thing until we see who and what Sony is gonna do.
2)5 years appropriate for a reboot to reach people who havent seen a film Spider-man???These movies were blockbusters that broke records...who hasnt seen a spider-man film???

[Kanon]

Would you rather have a crappy fourth film, that the studio interferes with like SM3?
I hate this point. You are basically saying that it sucks that Sony pushed his crappy ideas into cool Raimi's. Now are we supposed to be happy that it's just Sony's crappy ideas, and no good film to ruin (cause is already made of the crappy ideas) :(

[zenith16]

Not really, they could easily continue it with a new creative cast. Like other Movie franchises have done before. But I actually like the idea of focusing on Parker's highschool years. no they can't as I said the success rate with sequels is always to have the original main cast or don't bother. the movie going audience gets weird on you when you do that to them .

as for the high school that would have worked the first time around if they had gotten people the right age from the jump. but they did get good enough actors regardless.

I'm not sure the reaction is gonna be what Sony wants if they do this. that time may have past it'll be OK in the public eye under another studio. the same one not so much though.


First trilogy could be the "Mary Jane Trilogy", and second trilogy could be the "Gwen Stacy Trilogy" :) That part they really shouldn't bother with that. it's too late now. Just start over again and show it the way it was with Gwen first.

[Ace of Knaves]

I love how even though we were headed for a disaster of Batman and Robin proportions this reboots still worse. Still the wrong thing to do. Do you people understand next year we'd have been sitting down to watch what would have killed the Spider-Man franchise for at least 10 years?

Exactly.

People won't accept this because they are too in love with Raimi. Sure Raimi brought us some great things, but his films weren't perfect and it was CLEARLY time for him to go.

[DIRECTOR]

Does anyone realize that 2012-2007=5 years since anyone will have seen a Spider-Man film?

That's a appropiate gap for a reboot, in terms of people not being exposed to the character on film. And in this case it was warranted IMO.
Not it's not, that is not the best time for reboot, a reboot needs to happen every generation. So, by the time I have kids, that is when they should bring the next franchise, so after 20 years is the best time

[roach]

I love how even though we were headed for a disaster of Batman and Robin proportions this reboots still worse. Still the wrong thing to do. Do you people understand next year we'd have been sitting down to watch what would have killed the Spider-Man franchise for at least 10 years?

Honestly we dont know if the movie would have flopped if SM4 was made. As much as everyone hated SM3 it still made good money

[craigdbfan]

Honestly we dont know if the movie would have flopped if SM4 was made. As much as everyone hated SM3 it still made good money

Because it was riding off the huge success that was Spider-Man 2. :huh:

[RAMORE]

It might be a little soon for a reboot but let's be honest people if Sony doesn't make a film they lose the rights this has everything to do with money. Just like fox doing the fantastic four reboot after only two movies.

Now if I could just get Singer off the Xmen first class and make that a preboot (a reboot but with the real first 5 xmen) My life as a comic nerd would have harmony.

[JustABill]

Honestly we dont know if the movie would have flopped if SM4 was made. As much as everyone hated SM3 it still made good money
Did you not read what Sam wanted? What Sony added into it? Sam and Sony both did right by the franchise by walking away from that abortion. If Sony really wanted to just do it ''their way" they would have went ahead with that abortion with a new director and cast, but they didn't. They put a second plan in motion.

[zenith16]

1)I think we should wait to see if this is a good/bad thing until we see who and what Sony is gonna do.
2)5 years appropriate for a reboot to reach people who havent seen a film Spider-man???These movies were blockbusters that broke records...who hasnt seen a spider-man film??? mostly those of the overly narrow minded religious set that don't care for that stuff in general. So i wouldn't worry too much cause no one should use that excuse any more. lol

[Reikowolf]

Did you not read what Sam wanted? What Sony added into it? Sam and Sony both did right by the franchise by walking away from that abortion. If Sony really wanted to just do it ''their way" they would have went ahead with that abortion with a new director and cast, but they didn't. They put a second plan in motion.

Raimi held his guns

Sony chickened out :awesome:

[Ace of Knaves]

I hate this point. You are basically saying that it sucks that Sony pushed his crappy ideas into cool Raimi's. Now are we supposed to be happy that it's just Sony's crappy ideas, and no good film to ruin (cause is already made of the crappy ideas) :(

What? No, it's not Sony's crappy ideas. Sony will get a director in that they can trust, they obviously don't trust Raimi for some reason.

When film makers and studio's cannot see eye to eye, like in this case, you don't just carry on.

Raimi wanted Vulture. Which is a massive mistake. He wanted Vulture in SM3. **** that ****.

I bet you right now the studio wanted Lizard (the logical choice) but Raimi didn't so he walked away.

[RAMORE]

Agreed just a bill they seem that they knew it was going south on them. Now if they will just go back to comic continuity and do gwen first I'll be happy but i'm afraid they won't want to tinker with the mythology they created which is completely the wrong way to go in a reboot.

[RAMORE]

I'm a little pissed a Raimi for using my long time pick for Spiderman as the replacement as Venom:cmad: Topher Grace would have been perfect IMO.

[zenith16]

It might be a little soon for a reboot but let's be honest people if Sony doesn't make a film they lose the rights this has everything to do with money. Just like fox doing the fantastic four reboot after only two movies.

Now if I could just get Singer off the Xmen first class and make that a preboot (a reboot but with the real first 5 xmen) My life as a comic nerd would have harmony. heh why do you put such a temptation in my head? hehe

[JoeKerr86]

I'm very excited for the reboot. I enjoyed the first two films but could never get past the fact that the casting was terrible. Tobey was a descent Peter Parker, but I thought he was a crumby Spider-Man. Spider-Man 3 was, IMHO, a terrible movie, simply for the fact that there were so many convenient plot twists. As a poster before me stated, they should use the Chameleon and focus the first film on identity. Go the TSSM route and have Peter as a somewhat established superhero already.

And I must ask, why are people complaining that Peter is back in High School? How long was he there in the first film? Is it because of the cartoon? I'd love to see the reboot start with him in college where he meets Osborn and Stacy for the first time.

[Wolvieboy17]

Look, what we know is this. Raimi walked because he couldnt make the film the way he wanted, and because he didnt want to make the film the studio wanted.

Now that Raimi is out, the 'STUDIO' have said they will make a reboot, and set it in school. So far, thats a big creative decision, made by the 'Studio'. Also, as far as a replacement director, they will be looking for someone to fulfill their role in making the 'STUDIO''s vision come to life.

What is wrong with this picture, is Sony shouldn't be deciding the story, or determining anything creative. Their motivation in the film industry, is to make money. A directors role is to make a good film. As long as the studio is in control of the movie, we'll never get a Spidey movie with the correct love it deserves. It's exactly what happened with Wolverine, and it's exactly what will happen with this. They'll cast a 'safe' director, give it a 'safe' cast, try and put as many comic elements to please the fans.

For a reboot, you need someone with a new vision, an exciting new direction. Hell, anything substantial to make you forget all about the previous Spidey films, and Sony are going to want to churn this thing out ASAP. To people saying "Sony wouldn't do that though, the franchise means too much to them", they already did it with the Venom debacle from SM 3, and think about how soon after Raimi walked they announced a 'Reboot'. Does it even look like they considered many options? They were so anxious about the freakin thing that Sam Raimi had barely left the building before they were making announcements.

What I think is gonna happen is this movie is going to flop, and make Sony look bad, especially since by the time it comes out, Marvel will be king of Comic movies with Thor, Cap and Avengers dominating the market.

[RAMORE]

Anybody who's seen that 70's show knows what i'm talking about. I just hope they go with comic continuity. As much as I loved Ultimate Spiderman (It was a young spidey out of continuity that had the essence of the spidey fun for new readers) it was a mega hit and therefore influenced the movie way too much.