Sony Rebooting Spider-Man for 2012!!!

[RAMORE]

heh why do you put such a temptation in my head. hehe

I can't believe it Zenith you want a real xmen film too? No one seems to agree with my I want my comics brought to life not movies made to resemble. Most people are to in love with Singer and Raimi to see what i'm talking about.

[the_ultimate_evil]

I can't believe it Zenith you want a real xmen film too? No one seems to agree with my I want my comics brought to life not movies made to resemble. Most people are to in love with Singer and Raimi to see what i'm talking about.

how dare people not get inline with your way of thinking, the nerve

[spider-neil]

especially since by the time it comes out, Marvel will be king of Comic movies with Thor, Cap and Avengers dominating the market.

I'd wait before making THAT sweeping statement

[zenith16]

I can't believe it Zenith you want a real xmen film too? No one seems to agree with my I want my comics brought to life not movies made to resemble. Most people are to in love with Singer and Raimi to see what i'm talking about.



Go to the X-men part of the board there are a good number of us that want it that way singers was ok but i never fully liked what was done. i consider those X-men movies wolverine films. 1 to 4

and that what started that insane wolverine and he X-men cartoon title . too many people saw the movies as this and that animated series comfirm that trend of thinking thought .

It's all so wrong and is confusing too many people. I said it many times you can look at most of my history of posts I want a reboot of x-Men movies mostly. if they can keep the cast of actors I'd be really down other wise I want a reboot regardless. and I don't want to see wolverine for a long time. I like hugh he played him well but fox took things to damn far with poor script that only focuse on one person too often. xavier and mags were handeled well though. the others need screen time/ spot light and seriously script writers that know how to deal with huge casts or don't bother at all.

[Wolvieboy17]

As much as I'd love to see films stay true to the comics, sometimes I think its nice to deviate a little. I think Singer was brilliant in portraying the tone of the X-Men films, regarding peoples fear of mutants, and that feeling like they were outcasts. To me, thats what sets it aside from any other superhero film. I don't really mind if they tweak things here and there, such as how the characters know each other and who is there, as long as they stay true to the spirit of the original.

[Wolvieboy17]

Btw, that complaint people always had about Wolvie focusing too much is funny, Singer still fleshed out the supporting characters sooooo much better than they were in X3.

[Wolvieboy17]

I'd wait before making THAT sweeping statement
I'm not saying they'll be huge hits, but they'll still be all over the place. There will be publicity for them everywhere, and the frequency of Marvel home grown movies will make them hard to ignore.

[zenith16]

what ever I said what i had to say on that said of the forum we didn't learn any thing about the other characters like storm cyclops and more angel turned minor the list goes on.

Xavier we did mags to a degree. and a bit of jean. the others we have yet too learn a damn thing. their not fleshed out at all. they were just there to fill space. but this is getting off topic.

we're on spidey.

[Kanon]

2012 seems a little crowded now... Avengers, Spidey and Wolverine 2... and maybe X-Men First Class, and (longshot here) Deadpool...

[Nathan]

Time to save money for all those Movie tickets and multiple viewings.

[TheScarecrow]

Also Batman 3.

I doubt Avengers will get up for a 2012 release. I also don't think Deadpool will get up, either. I doubt Fox will release Wolverine 2 and X-Men in the same year.

[TheScarecrow]

Also Batman 3.

I doubt Avengers will get up for a 2012 release. I also don't think Deadpool will get up, either. I doubt Fox will release Wolverine 2 and X-Men in the same year.

[zenith16]

2012 seems a little crowded now... Avengers, Spidey and Wolverine 2... and maybe X-Men First Class, and (longshot here) Deadpool... If that last parts still happening? that is I have a feeling RR won't get what he wants with dead pool. I just know it.

[JP]

Also Batman 3.

I doubt Avengers will get up for a 2012 release. I also don't think Deadpool will get up, either. I doubt Fox will release Wolverine 2 and X-Men in the same year.

Only one of the Fox movies is going to happen. Most likely it'll be First Class. I see no reason why Avengers wont happen. . .

[spider-neil]

superman forum - 2 viewing

spider-man forum - 68 viewing

poor old superman...

:awesome:

[Ace of Knaves]

If that last parts still happening? that is I have a feeling RR won't get what he wants with dead pool. I just know it.

They've hire the guys who did Zombieland. You don't get no more Deadpool than Zombieland.

Ryan Reynolds is an up and coming Hollywood golden boy. This means $$$. Fox won't risk pissing him off.

[vasNormandy]

I hope Antonio doesn't represent the majority of Spider-Man fans:
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8297/sonyrebootingspidermani.png

[Ace of Knaves]

That guys a ****ing retard. No point paying attention to people with the brain capacity of a toilet brush.

[The Chris]

Well, I agree on the lame decision part.

[spideyboy_1111]

i'm intrigued to see how things shape out... if goblin and ock are scene again, what will there new designs look like? my guess is the spidey suit may get a redesign too.. but not sure as to what... the one we got was pretty damn perfect (aside from the fact it looked kinda odd whenever peter wasn't wearing it)

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't think they'll be changing the suit. It was already proven to work on film, there is no need to change it.

It might not have the raised webbing or whatever, but it will still look like Spider-Man.

[RAMORE]

Any casting Ideas?

In the old days when Tobey was talking about not coming back I thought recast and immediately thought of that 70s show alums:

Topher Grace as a skinny wise cracking fun loving spidey:
http://i49.tinypic.com/15rocv4.jpg

Laura Prepon no nonense redhead next door with a soft spot for geeks as MJ:
http://i46.tinypic.com/2hf5jip.jpg

Of course now younger cast and back in high school i'm not sure.

[Ace of Knaves]

Na man. She's pretty, but MJ should be STUNNING not just pretty.

[RAMORE]

Also do you really cast teenagers or cast like the OC were they all are really like 35?

[Ace of Knaves]

lol Na definitely no like the OC.

What makes me laugh is some people going "Oh no it's gonna be Twilight Spidey!" because it's set in high school.

Completely oblivious to the fact that some of Spideys greatest ever stories... were when he was in high school.

[Smegger56]

Can I just say, WOW. Was not expecting that.

But at the same time, I'm very happy. For me, the franchise has gone down hill sine Spidey 1. Yes, all 3 films had some great moments, but I felt they where lacking overall.

I was hoping for this if i'm honest. For the most part, I didn't like Raimi's direction and I was getting annoyed at the fact that all the villians have some deep connection to Parker and he's always got his friggin mask off. Fair enough, we do hae to see his face, but still. Whoever they get to direct the franchise from here on in, I hope it's the same director and writer for all 3 films (if the first of the new spidey films is any good).

[Man of Tomorrow]

News Coverage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KdkYz1BWok

[RAMORE]

what's it say basically I don't have audio at work.

[Pablo Parker]

whatever happens... taking it in a new direction could work.
but i just hope they don´t make the film an origin story AGAIN.

[Retroman]

Wow, i did not see this coming at all. I knew there were some behind-the-scenes issues with the script but to reboot everything from scratch? What the hell?:huh:

My head hurts....:(

[Showtime]

The writing has been on the wall ever since they rehired Vanderbilt to write 5 and 6 after Raimi said he didn't want him involved with 4 any longer.

[SpideyTheBest]

Well I didn't see that coming. I'm very interested to see how this will turn out.

[Solidus]

I think they will do another origin story, if they do change some of the aspects of the character, example his webbing ect. To me they just may have to if they want to keep the GA informed of why Spidey may have some very different ways of doing things.

[Wolvieboy17]

Na man. She's pretty, but MJ should be STUNNING not just pretty.

I disagree. She should obviously be attractive, but not ridiculously good looking. Then it would just be like Megan fox in TF, and be totally unbelievable. MJ is literally meant to be the 'girl next door'. In that way, I think Kirsten Dunst was alright.

In fact, as a whole, I don't think Kirsten Dunst or Maquire were bad casting, they were just written badly... The first 2 films were dedicated to spidey pining for MJ, and then the last film was them having relationship difficulties. My favourite Spidey comics were when he was in a happy relationship with MJ, and thus more confident in life in general, and Raimi never let us see that. Having Peter Parker still so awkward and teenagey and whiny by movie 3 was a big mistake. People want to see the characters grow. I think if Raimi had shown that growth more from Spidey 2 onwards, less people would dislike them for casting.

[Ace of Knaves]

MJ is a super model though...

She should be better looking than that chick from 70s Show anyway.

[The Game]

whatever happens... taking it in a new direction could work.
but i just hope they don´t make the film an origin story AGAIN.

Agreed

[Darkmania]

There should have at least been one more. Tobey is too good in the role, and, as others have said, Raimi and company made 2 great pictures, and one average picture with a really emotional ending. For that we need a reboot? Like others have said, Spidey 1 and 2 are still very fresh on people's minds. Terrible decision.

At least do a 4 and pull out the cliche's; Finish the Lizard story, Aunt May acknowledges she knows Peter is Spidey, Peter and MJ get married, and a great action movie with lots of fun dialogue.

[Ace of Knaves]

But that's the point, Raimi's SM4 wouldn't feature Lizard. It was going to have Vulture as the boss of the Bugle, for some stupid ****ing reason. Black Cat/Vultress was gonna be Vultures daughter...

It had fail written all over it.

If Raimi wanted to do the Lizard story for the fourth? I'd be upset about this. But Raimi didn't want to do Lizard. So good riddence.

[SpideyTheBest]

The best way for this film to work and be more fresh:
- Have a wise-cracking Spider-Man who keeps his mask on.
- Don't start with Green Goblin or Doc Ock, start with either Electro, Vulture, Lizard or Mysterio.
- Have Gwen Stacy or Liz Allan as love interests, introduce MJ at the end of the film with the "face it tiger, you just hit the jackpot" line.
- If they feel the need to retell Spidey's origin story just make it as a flashback, have Peter telling us the important parts, the spider, how he discovered his powers and the death of his Uncle in at least 10 minutes.
- Make MJ hot.

Just some ideas.

[ultimatefan]

Well, this report does make it sound like they are going Dark Knight-ish with it, and it´s the second to do so:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/11/...emporary-take/

[Kanon]

Sony didn't want a minor villain for SM4, is not going for that in a reboot. It's using Goblin, Doc Ock or Venom. Maybe Venom and Carnage, I don't know... But they are going with mega popular, that's for sure.

[Sentinel X]

This is good news but at the same time....WTF!?!? Do they have to reboot everything!? :huh:
SM3 made a lot of money and all though it was terrible the first 2 were good...they could have been fixed. Ugh.

But on the bright side...New direction for the spidey films...I just wish it wasn't so soon, they should have at least waited til 2020.

Anyway MARY ELIZABETH WINSTEAD for mary jane. She is basically a MJ in the flesh. Also hopefully they use a villain that hasn't been in the original sm trilogy, just so it can be somewhat new and fresh. Also, SKIP the orgin story...we all know what happened. Just do it Spectacular Spider-man style. Hit the ground running.

[ultimatefan]

Sony didn't want a minor villain for SM4, is not going for that in a reboot. It's using Goblin, Doc Ock or Venom. Maybe Venom and Carnage, I don't know... But they are going with mega popular, that's for sure.

So far, all superhero reboots have started with villains that hadn´t been used before - Ra´s and Scarecrow in BB, Abomination in TIH.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

Even director Edgar Wright feels bummed about the news:

In all seriousness, I am sad to see Mister Raimi go from the franchise. For me, SpiderMan 2 is easily one of the greatest comic book films.

[conan69]

"Spider-Man's a stronger pull character now than Superman. Children and adults like Spider-Man now more than they do Superman. He's become ''the" superhero."

The first spiderman was also such a huge success because of the time it was released. People needed a "good guy" film like this post 9/11. You add the anticipation of finally seeing spiderman on screen = box office smash.

The second one did so well because the first was so well received and SM2 got glowing reviews.

Superman Returns got very mixed reviews and alot of fans felt it was too downbeat. Word of mouth spread and the film was a box office disappointment.

[Ace of Knaves]

SM2 is one of the greatest ever comic book movies.

But SM4 was CLEARLY, OBVIOUSLY never going to reach that level. So what's the problem?

We still have the DVD/BluRay of SM2. This news won't take that away.

[Kanon]

So far, all superhero reboots have started with villains that hadn´t been used before - Ra´s and Scarecrow in BB, Abomination in TIH.
Good point. But BB didn't have to compete with the previous movies, in terms of appeal to the audience, and Abomination is kinda one of the most recognizable Hulk villains, aside from the Leader (which had a prominent cameo)

[RAMORE]

Well, this report does make it sound like they are going Dark Knight-ish with it, and it´s the second to do so:

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/11/...emporary-take/

bad link.

If it is dark that's a mistake.

[RAMORE]

What about Freddie Highmore for Peter:
http://i48.tinypic.com/f2j95x.jpg

He was in finding neverland and the spiderwick chronicles he's 18 now.

and newcomer mia wasakowska (19) for Gwen Stacy:
http://i45.tinypic.com/125s4yt.jpg

What do you think?

[Chris Wallace]

What about Freddie Highmore for Peter:
http://i48.tinypic.com/f2j95x.jpg

He was in finding neverland and the spiderwick chronicles he's 18 now.

and newcomer mia wasakowska (19) for Gwen Stacy:
http://i45.tinypic.com/125s4yt.jpg

What do you think?

Ugh. No.

[RAMORE]

MJ is a super model though...

She should be better looking than that chick from 70s Show anyway.

Um go google Laura Prepon for me and then come back and say that.

[RAMORE]

Ugh. No.

Hard to find and pick young actors. Who would you pick. If they are going to do it right it has to be somebody in their teens who still looks young. A little nerdy but not too much.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Freddie Highmore.... yuck... yuck


And take it to the casting thread yo

[RAMORE]

By the way Mia is in tim burtons new film Alice in Wonderland.

[RAMORE]

Is there a new casting thread already for this reboot my bad I hadn't even looked.

[Man of Tomorrow]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=333282&page=11

[mclay18]

I appreciate Raimi taking the first steps, and I thank him for that, but it's time for him to move on. Raimi hasn't come close to Spider-Man's full potential on screen!! Look at the Harry Potter movies! Different directors and the movies get better each time!

Your comparison between the Spidey reboot and the HP series doesn't hold water, my friend. Even with different directors on the HP series, the movies are interconnected sequels with the same cast and screenwriter. There's a sense of continuity and growth just from that, the HP series didn't reboot every time a new director took the helm.

The Spidey reboot is a direct contradiction to that.

[8Diagrams(WU)]

Angarano and Winstead could be a good team. They worked on sky high before. Winstead of course doesnt look like a teen, but for sure looks a lot like MJ and I guess the hottest women in high school were the beutiful ones that looked like they had matured physically so she could pass.

[Retroman]

The writing has been on the wall ever since they rehired Vanderbilt to write 5 and 6 after Raimi said he didn't want him involved with 4 any longer.

In hindsight yes it was.

I figured 4 would be the swansong of the Raimi/Maguire era anyway but with Vanderbilt writing 5/6 no one could have foreseen it been brought forward so soon. Sony are taking a huge risk (even with a guaranteed moneymaker) but i think they already know that.:o
Even director Edgar Wright feels bummed about the news:

He is a big fan so that's not surprising.:hehe:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3842/l8b766c2856d3711e9c2bf4ef2.jpg

[The Lizard]

It would have been nice to give Raimi a chance to make up for Spider-Man 3, but I think a new crop of actors is what's really needed here. Kirsten Dunst has made it clear that she's not into the MJ role any more, and I'd bet Tobey's willing to move on as well.

I will really miss JK Simmons as JJJ, however. :csad:

[Daybreak_st]

It's a huge surprise to me too. I didn't like SM3 but still don't see the need for a reboot. It feels like people are reboot crazy these days. Like "oh the last film didn't go well, what do we do...reboot!"

The could have easily just gotten a new director and new actors and move the franchise forward. Skip ahead a year, say MJ moved to hollywood to pursue her career. Focus on Pete in college as an established Spider-man. That's simple enough. You could tell any story you wanted, use any villain, sky's the limit.

I just dont' see the point in rebooting from ground zero. The movies are only 10 years old. And as was said, the first two were amazing, they really established what a good superhero movie was in the modern age. Now in rebooting you have to tell the same story over again, and unless you're making som significant changes it's a pretty basic story. How will you impove on it? Also the other films are very well know and still quite popular, now they are forcing comparisons between the new and the old since your covering the same territory from 10 years ago.

We'll see how it turns out, my preference tho is just to move forward already instead of retreading old ground. I can think of a few good reasons to reboot: 1) the series is dead in the water, no one likes it or will touch it (ex Batman & Robin) 2) a significant amount of time has passed and the franchise needs new life (ex. Star Trek) 3) some crazy element was added in a previous movie that hinders or stifles any new stories about the characters (this last one is iffy but an example is the kid from superman returns, to do any new movies your forced to deal with the kid, only other option is a reboot). Those three reasons i can accept but no apply to spider-man. If they re-introduce the villains do you really think they'll top Dr. Oct from spidey 2? Only time will tell.

[Rodrigo90]

They needed to reboot, because of everything, the fans negative reaction to EVERY idea they had and revealed.

Sony executives very words.

"What the **** are we going to do about this?"

"Umm...We fire Raimi and all the actors that turned the franchise into something like from FAME and Sesame Street. Start a fresh,cause our ideas for the movie are pure **** and in the 5th movie were having Larry David as The Tinkerer...We seriously need reboot".

[The Lizard]

and newcomer mia wasakowska (19) for Gwen Stacy:
http://i45.tinypic.com/125s4yt.jpg


I could see this, although Mia is more cute than she is Gwen-gorgeous, but maybe. I'll wait to see how she does in Alice first.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

He is a big fan so that's not surprising.:hehe:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3842/l8b766c2856d3711e9c2bf4ef2.jpg

:hehe: I forgot about that pic. I sent it to him on his Twitter.

[JaD]

I just woke up and this news still bothers me, alot. :csad:

[kedrell]

Still smilin' ear to ear. Man, this news has picked me up. Of couse Sony'll need to f-up another movie or two before the really good s**t starts happening(hopefully).

[Weadazoid]

Puke..... Bay is being considered as a possible Director...the end is here...not near if it happens

[Ace of Knaves]

I just woke up and this news still bothers me, alot. :csad:

Have you seen what was gonna be in SM4? If you had, you'd be happy it got scrapped.

[Ace of Knaves]

Puke..... Bay is being considered as a possible Director...the end is here...not near if it happens

No, he isn't.

[Anton Furst]

I'm so happy!

I hated the old trilogy. Too silly and immature for my taste.

Bring on Jim Cameron!

[Ace of Knaves]

No to Jim Cameron as well. The guy wanted to make the webs mataphors for spunk.

[Project862006]

there not gonna get a better actor for Parker/SM imo Tobey was a great actor and still is he was as perfect casting as Hugh was for Wolverine

[Deaths Head II]

I'm so happy!

I hated the old trilogy. Too silly and immature for my taste.

Bring on Jim Cameron!

Jim Cameron is not going to be a part of this reboot. I can guarantee you this. Sony is going to want a hired gun, not someone who demands even more creative control then Raimi did.

[Project862006]

i dont want marc webb for this either dude has 1 film under his belt that was a romance love story he has never done cgi or action before.

not to mention going form 500 days of summer to a huge action blockbuster is too big of a task

[spider-neil]

as a writer you have to weight up which angle you are going to approach a movie.
do you make a critical path of the hero and then pick the villians to work around that critical path whilst still challenging the hero?

or you focus on the villian, developing the villian as best you can and work the hero around the villian?

I think spidey 3 dropped the ball because there was far too much focus on the hero, the villians are an absolute after thought, they come off 1 note and flat. in SM1 and SM2 sam gets the balance about right.

take the 'kraven's last hunt' story line everyone who has read this knows kraven's role and the role of vermin (replace with lizard) but what is spidey's role? what is mj role? would tobey and dunst be willing to sit out half the movie which the focus is on the villian?

that's why I wouldn't ever have more than one villian and if there were a secondary villian he would be throwaway in the opening credits. really difficult to develope multipul characters.

my big fear is sony with nothing standing in their way will now demand multiple villians which will ultimately mean NO ONE get developed.

[JaD]

Have you seen what was gonna be in SM4? If you had, you'd be happy it got scrapped.Yeah I was keeping up with the news. I was actually interested in Vulture since that'd be a different type of villain we've seen. Airborne battles throughout NYC would be amazing. And John Malkovich too? :up: I didn't hear anything else about those weird Vulturess rumors flying around so I dismissed that. I'm still pretty :down about the way this is looking. A fresh start would be great to see for Spider-Man, he's all over my room and whatnot. But it's too soon and there are still some great stories to tell. Raimi just came off a great piece of work with Drag Me To Hell too so I felt his love for filmmaking was refreshed after that and he was ready to work. So was Tobey after seeing him in Brothers.

[Project862006]

1 thing i will say i dont want a sympathetic villain like every villain was in sm besides venom

hell lizard was gonna be another sympathetic villain

[Marx]

As I just said in another thread, I am shocked by the decision to reboot the SM franchise.

[kedrell]

there not gonna get a better actor for Parker/SM imo Tobey was a great actor and still is he was as perfect casting as Hugh was for Wolverine

100% disagree. I've always thought both of them were very mediocre in their parts and very little like their comics counterparts.

[Naite22]

I thought the only thing that could bring me back to the superhero boards was the announcement of the third chapter to Nolans Batman movies... BUT, this news did it!

My very very first thought was, LAME!... after about 5 minutes I turned 180 degrees (more or less).

This RE-boot could mean a lot of new exciting things (or a complete disaster)

1:
We'll definitely see Spidey swing in new ways with RealD-3D (which is almost for certain this is the way it'll be shot)

2:
CG has become so incredibly much better since the 2002's original Spidey-flick - which at times looked downright like a computer-game with zero gravity.

3: A RE-boot also means that they have a chance to give the most badass story-line in the spidey universe -namely the symbiote storyline!- its due credit! It was a complete farce in "3", where it should have been the darkest chapter of them all! Even the way they chose to portray the symbiote was dumb dumb dumb... This is a chance to turn that all around!

4:
VENOM has a chance to be portrayed rightfully so, as well.

5:
A RE-boot can mean a more true Green Goblin (visually) as well!

6:
A more serious franchise, who knows???

The possibillities are endless... This could be very good, and seriously guys. The series pretty much died out with "3". I'm excited, I have to say. I LOVED the first two movies, number "3" not so much. I mean, I could pick it apart and pick many many things that I liked about it - but as a whole, it was a mess. (than again, I could do the same with Superman 3!)
The Spidey franchise does indeed need a new direction, so I think it's cool... so far.

[Project862006]

100% disagree. I've always thought both of them were very mediocre in their parts and very little like their comics counterparts.
i mean acting wise and screen presence

[kedrell]

i mean acting wise and screen presence

Oh, well in that case they are decent I guess but far from irreplaceable.

[Anton Furst]

there not gonna get a better actor for Parker/SM imo Tobey was a great actor and still is he was as perfect casting as Hugh was for Wolverine

I absolutly HATED Tobey Maguire!

I can't express in words my otter delight in this reboot news.



I hope the new peter parker is a real kid of the right age.

[Spikey]

Have you ever heard of a reboot using actors in the same roles from the previous franchise?

Dafoe ain't coming back. I'll miss Alfred Molina, too, when they inevitably do Doc Ock.

Yes, Judi Bench as M in the Bond franchise.

We might still get JK Simmons.

[The Joker]

Yes, Judi Bench as M in the Bond franchise.

You mean Judi Dench, right? :cwink:

She'd be about the only exception. And she's a supporting character, too.

[Kanon]

Probably, due all the controversy, any member of the old cast will stay away from future movies

[spider-neil]

sony could do a lot worse than look at the structure and pacing of SSM.
for instance,

* pete is an intern for conners so sees lots of experiments gone wrong giving him a valid reason to be on the scene.

* the mob boss has hired osborn to create low level super criminals
no explanation needed why super viliians are popping out of the wood work

* in high school pete is surround by a whole host of supporting characters

ssm is the best take on spider-man (obviously not including the lee/ditko/romita run)

[Angel_Faerie]

I'm pissed right now. This is wrong and Sony ****ing knows it.

[Ace of Knaves]

Not really. Read up about what was planned for SM4. It had fail written all over it.

[Angel_Faerie]

They could have postponed it and done some re-writes. It could have been good. But no.

[Ace of Knaves]

They did postpone it and do re-writes. But Raimi and the studio couldn't agree. When that happens it's better to scrap it, rather than have another SM3.

[Angel_Faerie]

If the studio had kept their grimy little mits away from everything, Spider-Man 3 would have been fine and none of what's happening now would have happened.

[Rodrigo90]

J.K Simmons IS JJ. No other actor will top him.

I want him back.

[Dangerous]

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM SO FREAKIN EXCITED FOR THIS!!!!!!

I thought I'd have to wait until I was about 45 until I'd see Spidey rebooted!!!, Now I'll be 32 when the new film comes out. I REALLY DID NOT LIKE THE RAIMI/MAGUIRE Spider-Man series. I have been reading Spider-Man comics for 20 years the Raimi films just were not Spider-Man for me. They sucked ass imo. SM2 for example,- had about 10 minutes of cool action near the end the rest was a horrible schmaltzy MTV chick flick full of miss cast roles.

Here's what I hope to see in the reboot-

1- Peter Parker who is tougher and less wussy than TM's version, heck just less wussy than Tobey Maguire! Yea I know PP/SM is often self pitying, but he is also hard as NAILS! and pretty resilient. Tobey's performance did not really relay that kinda inner strength and magnetism to me that PP has in his day to day civilian life in panel.

2- Gwen should be the romantic interest. We don't need MJ until the 2nd film, I want to see the girlfriends in correct order this time! Also Gwen and MJ have got to be 10/10 smokin hot supermodel types just as Jazzy John drew em! NOT average looking like Dunst and co.

3- Spidey in battle has gotta be full of his trademark witt and crap-but-funny jokes during fights!!!! THIS WAS ONE OF THE MAIN DEFICIENCY's OF THE NOUGHTIES FILMS!

4- The Best title for the movie, since they can't call it 'Spider-Man' again, would be 'THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN', then they could call the sequels 'The Spectacular....' 'Web of....' You get the idea.

5- I hope they don't mess with the red and blues and keep them even more comic faithful than the Noughties films. I hated the silvery looking raised webbing. AND MECHANICAL WEB SHOOTERS PLEASE!!!! THEY REPRESENT A KEY PART OF PETER PARKER'S CHARACTER- HIS AMAZING SCIENCE SKILLS!

6- I'd like to see Doc Ock as the main villain thus having the big villains in correct chronological order, hey I can dream can't I? Tho I think that would be unlikely seeing as he was on the big screen in 2004... Chameleon would be great, As would Kraven... BUT I DON'T WANT THEM TO MESS WITH THE COSTUMES TOO MUCH. TO SEE A COMIC FAITHFUL GREEN GOBLIN ON SCREEN WOULD BE A DREAM COME TRUE.

SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW !!!!!

[kedrell]

They did postpone it and do re-writes. But Raimi and the studio couldn't agree. When that happens it's better to scrap it, rather than have another SM3.

And SM3 was only about as bad as Supes3 & Batman Forever. This franchise still has a lot futher it can fall.

[nightwing06]

I knew this was coming Columbia/Sony wanted to start from scratch but hopefully they wont go with that female Vulture idea

[BlueLightning]

They should reboot it this way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_07mqQ9RaTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_07mqQ9RaTk

[Ace of Knaves]

And SM3 was only about as bad as Supes3 & Batman Forever. This franchise still has a lot futher it can fall.

Exactly. With the plot outline and hoopla surrounding SM4 it could of very well been the Batman and Robin version of Spider-Man.

[Project862006]

i dont think so as bad as it sounded batman and robin cant be topped

[Vile]

i dont think so as bad as it sounded batman and robin cant be topped


The Spirit.

[Shockdingo]

Sanford and SOn!!!! I did not expect this news, I have mixed feelings overall, but I'm kind of unhappy that we're going back to highschool. I would have liked a cliff notes origin and then start from early in his career, similar to how Spectacular Spider-man did it.

[Ace of Knaves]

i dont think so as bad as it sounded batman and robin cant be topped

I'm not saying it can be. I'm saying SM4 was shaping up to be the Spidey equivalent of Batman and Robin. And it was.

[Nathan]

Sanford and SOn!!!! I did not expect this news, I have mixed feelings overall, but I'm kind of unhappy that we're going back to highschool. I would have liked a cliff notes origin and then start from early in his career, similar to how Spectacular Spider-man did it.

Uhm... In Spectacular Spider-Man he's still in high school though, even when the series started with him already being Spider-Man.

[CrypticOne]

I'm going to call it and say when they announce the new Peter Parker/Spider-Man, everyone on here will be like this, :cmad:. Kinda like when Ledger was announced to play the Joker.

Then they'll watch Spider-Man reboot, and feel like this, :doh:

And after watching Spider-Man reboot, they'll love the new Peter Parker/Spider-Man, and will want to give him a kiss. :fhm:

[Ace of Knaves]

Sanford and SOn!!!! I did not expect this news, I have mixed feelings overall, but I'm kind of unhappy that we're going back to highschool. I would have liked a cliff notes origin and then start from early in his career, similar to how Spectacular Spider-man did it.

And how did Spectacular Spider-Man do it?

He was in high school...

[kedrell]

The Spirit.

Or Steel. I actually find Superman IV far worse than B&R.

[Nathan]

I'm going to call it and say when they announce the new Peter Parker/Spider-Man, everyone on here will be like this, :cmad:. Kinda like when Ledger was announced to play the Joker.

I already made that face whenever I heard that Tobey was still Spider-Man, so there really won't be much of a change if they cast someone I dislike equally.

Then they'll watch Spider-Man reboot, and feel like this, :doh:

And after watching Spider-Man reboot, they'll love the new Peter Parker/Spider-Man, and will want to give him a kiss. :fhm:


I really hope we'll get a Peter Parker and Mary Jane that I'll actually like this time. I hope the writers have done a better job with their portrayals too.

[FaT_tONle]

Honestly, if I were Sony I'd start making a plan. So they probably want another 3-4 Movies. Already map out in which Movies you want the villains to appear, then start to develop some of these characters starting with the very first Movie.

And what happens when an actor leaves and they don't want to recast the character they have been building up since movie one? What happens when Arad/Ziskin come in and say, "This worked well, we need more of it, this didn't work so well, let's scrap it." What happens when the next director disagress with such a decision? The only way it works is if you film back to back. Sony would have done that with Raimi for 4/5 if they didn't get cheap. They got cheap. And they continue to make things up on the fly.

[Ace of Knaves]

Ummm.. where did you get the idea Sony were cheap? What was the budget for SM3 again? One of the biggest movie budgets ever.

[omid17]

haha Showtime i bet spiderman2029 didn't see this coming

[Spider-ManHero12]

[QUOTE=The Ace of Knaves;17937695] I'm saying SM4 was shaping up to be the Spidey equivalent of Batman and Robin. QUOTE] Alvin Sargent was going to re-write it. Besides ,Sam had NOTHING to do with how crappy that script was.I, for one, think the idea of a baby at the would have been great, tbh.

[King K]

Just don't cast Michael Cera as Peter Parker. Thats all I ask.

Other than that. I love the reboot. Here's a chance to do Venom and maybe Carnage right. Now all we need is news on the Superman Reboot and we've got ourselves a great new year.

[FaT_tONle]

Ummm.. where did you get the idea Sony were cheap? What was the budget for SM3 again? One of the biggest movie budgets ever.

Were the films done back to back? Do you remember the exact quote from Sony?

[omid17]

Ummm.. where did you get the idea Sony were cheap? What was the budget for SM3 again? One of the biggest movie budgets ever. $258 mill according to BOM

[Nathan]

Just don't cast Michael Cera as Peter Parker. Thats all I ask.

Or Shia Lebouf.

[kedrell]

That's all I need is a Spidey going "No, no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no!!!!"

[omid17]

someone mentioned Jesse Eisenberg yesterday

:dry:

[VenomVsSpidey]

I'm not saying it can be. I'm saying SM4 was shaping up to be the Spidey equivalent of Batman and Robin. And it was.

so you know SM4 would have sucked, but you know the reboot's gonna be amazing? can I borrow your crystal ball please?

[Ace of Knaves]

[QUOTE=The Ace of Knaves;17937695] I'm saying SM4 was shaping up to be the Spidey equivalent of Batman and Robin. QUOTE] Alvin Sargent was going to re-write it. Besides ,Sam had NOTHING to do with how crappy that script was.I, for one, think the idea of a baby at the would have been great, tbh.

And I suppose you think the idea of Pete questioning if he wanted to be Spidey...AGAIN would be great aswell yea?

That is what would happen if the baby idea was introduced. More relationship melodrama.

[Ace of Knaves]

so you know SM4 would have sucked, but you know the reboot's gonna be amazing? can I borrow your crystal ball please?

SM4 wouldn't reach the heights of SM2. Guaranteed. Just by looking at the plot outline you can tell that.

I mean, Vulture as the boss of the Bugle. WHAT?!?! Black Cat/Vultress the daughter of Vulture. WHAT?!?! Pete and MJ having a baby which would INEVITABLY lead to more relationship melodrama and Pete wanting to quit as Spidey...AGAIN. WHAT?!?!

I don't know the reboot will be good. But there is a possibility. I'd take that over a guaranteed mediocre SM4.

[Ace of Knaves]

Were the films done back to back? Do you remember the exact quote from Sony?

What's that got to do with them being cheap? :huh:

SM3 budget was nearly 300 million dollars. That's not cheap.

[omid17]

SM4 wouldn't reach the heights of SM2. Guaranteed. Just by looking at the plot outline you can tell that.

I mean, Vulture as the boss of the Bugle. WHAT?!?! Black Cat/Vultress the daughter of Vulture. WHAT?!?! Pete and MJ having a baby which would INEVITABLY lead to more relationship melodrama and Pete wanting to quit as Spidey...AGAIN. WHAT?!?!

I don't know the reboot will be good. But there is a possibility. I'd take that over a guaranteed mediocre SM4.for sure Ace :up:

damn it's going to be hard making it better than the first two, but im pretty excited

[FaT_tONle]

What's that got to do with them being cheap? :huh:

SM3 budget was nearly 300 million dollars. That's not cheap.

Cheaper to produce one massive movie and cash in than doing two movies back to back which would certainly make more money long term if they had the patience. You're right... it's cheapER.

[Rodrigo90]

Heres my vision of Peter.

Peter Parker is a brilliant,but lonely highschool kid. Always taking the crap other kids give him and never being able to say what he really feels. He is a nice kid and a good laugh once you get to know him,his best friend Harry can verify that. He would always put others before himself,but just wished once he could take his Uncles and Aunts advice and "Always take care of NO 1 first,yourself". Peter is also a very shy kid,a lack of self confidence down plays his chance of a relationship. It also affects his belief that a girl would actually want go out with a nerd like himself,when he was fooled by the highschool bullies girlfriend. She only asked him out as a sick joke by Flash Thompson,this greatly upset Peter,who from then on stayed clear of most girls. Peter's main wish was to stand up to Flash for himself and all the kids he bullied and humiliate him for all his crimes against the school...But that was a dream. Peter knew he couldnt even hurt a fly...

[conan69]

If they wanted to come in with a new creative team and make changes - to fit in with that new creative teams vision, thats fine. I wouldnt, and dont think most others would have a problem with some slight changes ala Incredible Hulk.

Im not even that pissed Raimi is leaving.

Im pissed theyre basically undoing the continuity of the first films, and going backwards. I dont want the story to go backwards, I want to see it go forwards.

Worst still, is the studio will hire someone who they think will adhere to their ridiculous story guidelines. Did that route make SM3 or Xmen3 better films?


No. You need to hire a director who has a vision and get the hell out of his way so he can bring that to the screen. Thats how you ge the best comic books films = Superman, TDK, Batman Begins, SM2, Xmen2 and Iron Man.

And I still say the general populations reaction, once they learn about this news, is going to be overwhelmingly negative. It already is at some of the movie forums I go to.

[Ace of Knaves]

Why will it? The GA didn't like SM3 that much. It made big bank at the cinema. Why? Because of SM2.

You look at the DVD sales of SM3 compared to SM1 and SM2... that will tell you all you need to know about the GAs thoughts of SM3.

[Rodrigo90]

With that,we all know his powers boost his self-confidence. They (indirectly) also cause his Uncle Ben's death.

He got his powers,this boosted his self-confidence and ego. He was sick of clearing up other peoples mess and took the advice of looking after himself from now on. When Uncle Ben's killer ran past him and the officer shouted for help,he wss like "Sorry,Im done with helping others. Im not getting involved. He can handle it by himself".

So after the murder he feels guilt and gets a wake up call back to his old self and decides to act with great responsibility. Through his Uncles new advice,before he died.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Why will it? The GA didn't like SM3 that much. It made big bank at the cinema. Why? Because of SM2.

You look at the DVD sales of SM3 compared to SM1 and SM2... that will tell you all you need to know about the GAs thoughts of SM3.

yes, because making about 900 mil worldwide means that it's basically banking off the success of SM2. word of mouth would have killed it before it was even close to that.

[Alonsovich]

Elsewhere I've been told that Fox Studios still do own the rights to the Daredevil franchise. Marvel Studios should be buying back the rights to their characters. It's ridiculous.

Didn't those things revert back to Marvel when they didn't actively develop new films? :huh::doh:

[Ace of Knaves]

yes, because making about 900 mil worldwide means that it's basically banking off the success of SM2. word of mouth would have killed it before it was even close to that.

Look at the DVD sales man, they were terrible compared to the others.

And word of mouth? You mean the near universal panning it got from critics?

Look, I know you enjoy SM3, there is nothing wrong with that. But do you honestly believe it wasn't a step down from the first two? Honestly?

Do you want the possibility of another SM2 or the possibility of another SM3.. or worse? SM4 was never going to reach SM1 and SM2 heights.

As a Spidey fan you shouldn't accept mediocrity.

[topdog1]

I'm completely stunned by this news. There was plenty of time in the future for a reboot. They had a great cast in hand, why not leave Raimi alone and see what he crafted? You can never go back now. The movie franchise is in serious danger of becoming as stale as the books. Never letting Pete grow up or grow at all as a character. I don't want to see a high schooler for life Spider-Kid.

Maybe the next film should start with Mephisto wiping out Tobey Maguire. Groan.

[Mikelus]

Exactly. With the plot outline and hoopla surrounding SM4 it could of very well been the Batman and Robin version of Spider-Man.

Of course not, Raimi wanted to do a great movie, he knows SM3 had problems, he wanted to do better. It seems Sam and the studio couldn't agree on the villain for SM4, so Sony decided to reboot.

Asked why he had originally committed to a franchise where total control was unlikely, he said: "Well, I had never had it. Only now do I have it with Drag Me to Hell and the new Spider-Man film.

"That's part of the reason I'm so excited about the possibility of making this new Spider-Man, which I'm really hoping I can make. I love the characters still and I've got a lot more creative control than I ever had.

"They really gave me a tremendous amount of control on the first two films, actually. But then there were different opinions on the third film and I didn't really have creative control, so to speak."

Was he referring to Venom, the character whose movie version particularly upset fanboys? In the interview with Empire magazine, Raimi said: "I don't even want to comment on Venom, because I know he's a great character and all the fans love him. I never want to say anything bad about a much-beloved character because usually it turns out that I'm the one that doesn't understand what makes it great."

Spider-Man is, of course, a Marvel comic book and there were reports at the time that Marvel Entertainment chief creative officer Avi Arad (who is also chairman of Marvel Studios) had insisted on Venom (pictured below) being included in the third movie.

Raimi's response to that was: "I wouldn't say it was anybody in particular. It was just that a lot of people had different ideas on what the film should be, and I think - good or bad - the film simply represents exactly the working situation where a lot of people have a lot of good ideas about what the film should be."

So were there too many cooks in the kitchen? He said: "I don't want to necessarily say that. I don't want to say anything disparaging about my friends and partners on the film.

[U]"The best way for me to move forward on films, I realise...and this was a lesson I had to learn for myself...is that I've gotta be the singular voice that makes the creative choices on the film.

"I love Spider-Man so much that I'd like to continue telling Spider-Man stories but only under those circumstances where I think I can honour him. I don't think I can honour him any other way."

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/03/raimi-i-will-have-total-creati.html



Lets hope the reboot works, they have to match some pretty big numbers:

Spider-Man franchise total: $1,113,822,503
Average/movie: $371,274,168

http://boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=spiderman.htm

[Ace of Knaves]

Of course not, Raimi wanted to do a great movie, he knows SM3 had problems, he wanted to do better. It seems Sam and the studio couldn't agree on the villain for SM4, so Sony decided to reboot.




Hmmm so making Vulture editor of the Daily Bugle. Making Black Cat/Vultress the daughter of Vulture who falls in love with Pete. Making Pete and MJ have a baby which would INEVITABLY lead to more relationship melodrama ******** which plagued the other movies and Pete wanting to quit as Spidey... AGAIN is great yea? That's a great story? Err... no.

I'm sooooo happy SM4 got scrapped.

[Project862006]

where in the reports does it say raimi came up with that ?

nowhere thats where

you are just making stuff up as you go now

[VenomVsSpidey]

Look at the DVD sales man, they were terrible compared to the others.

And word of mouth? You mean the near universal panning it got from critics?

Look, I know you enjoy SM3, there is nothing wrong with that. But do you honestly believe it wasn't a step down from the first two? Honestly?

Do you want the possibility of another SM2 or the possibility of another SM3.. or worse? SM4 was never going to reach SM1 and SM2 heights.

As a Spidey fan you shouldn't accept mediocrity.

A) No, I really don't.
B) Near-universal?? It was met with mixed reviews...it currently holds a 62% on rotten tomatoes, 6.4/10 on IMDB, and Holds a B- rating with critics, and B rating with users on yahoo movies. That doesn't say near-universal panning to me, like XMO:W
C) I don't think their mediocre. people are willing to overlook changes elsewhere, but once they make one movie they didn't like, you watch. Wait till Batman 3 isn't up to par with TDK....all the sudden it'll be JOKER SUCKED!!111 RAPE MY CHILDHOOD!!! NOLAN SUCKORZ

It's like the goblin said. "In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you"

[Ace of Knaves]

Err... no I'm not! WTF?!

Vulture as editor of the Bugle was RAIMI's idea. Black Cat being the daughter of Vulture was RAIMI's idea. Sony wanted her to be Vultress. Raimi wanted Pete and MJ to have a baby.

This is all from the plot outline released last week. It is CONFIRMED that everything in the plot was from Raimi's brain, apart from Vultress.

[The Joker]

It's like the goblin said. "In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you"

But Goblin was full of s***, because they city ended up loving him. He got a parade and everything. They even tossed trash at Goblin himself.

"You mess with Spidey and you mess with New York"

:oldrazz: :cwink:

[Crook]

Err... no I'm not! WTF?!

Vulture as editor of the Bugle was RAIMI's idea. Black Cat being the daughter of Vulture was RAIMI's idea. Sony wanted her to be Vultress. Raimi wanted Pete and MJ to have a baby.

This is all from the plot outline released last week. It is CONFIRMED that everything in the plot was from Raimi's brain, apart from Vultress.
I still don't understand this, lol. What is it with Raimi's obsession with interconnecting every villain with one another? It's so cheesy. Furthermore, why in the world would SONY want Vultress, instead of BC? Was it the Catwoman comparisons?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by venomvsspidey http://www.superherohype.com/drakon/skins/shhclassic/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17938012#post17938012)
It's like the goblin said. "In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you"
So true.

[Ace of Knaves]

A) No, I really don't.
B) Near-universal?? It was met with mixed reviews...it currently holds a 62% on rotten tomatoes, 6.4/10 on IMDB, and Holds a B- rating with critics, and B rating with users. That doesn't say near-universal panning to me, like XMO:W
C) I don't think their mediocre. people are willing to overlook changes elsewhere, but once they make one movie they didn't like, you watch. Wait till Batman 3 isn't up to par with TDK....all the sudden it'll be JOKER SUCKED!!111 RAPE MY CHILDHOOD!!! NOLAN SUCKORZ

It's like the goblin said. "In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you"

What? I never said the first two were mediocre. Spider-Man 2 is UNDOUBTEDLY one of the best comic book movies ever. And I'm grateful for Raimi for that.

But... Spider-Man 3 is UNDOUBTEDLY not as good as Spider-Man 1 or 2. Is it god awful? No. But it is a step down. And Spider-Man 4 wouldn't of reached the heights of the first two.

I'd rather have a reboot and the chance of TRULY brilliant movies for a TRULY brilliant character again rather than so-so movies for a brilliant character. Would you agree?

SM4 had NO ****ING CHANCE of being brilliant. These reboots? We don't know yet. I like those odds.

Like I said in the other thread, when Deadpool comes out, if it's mediocre I'm not gonna be like "Oh it was awesome!" just because it's my favourite character. If it's mediocre I will admit it. You, SpiderFan and others need to take a leaf out of my book. Because by accepting mediocrity you are doing your favourite characters a disservice. By accepting mediocrity it isn't pushing any one to improve, you know what I'm saying?

[VenomVsSpidey]

But Goblin was full of s***, because they city ended up loving him. He got a parade and everything. They even tossed trash at Goblin himself.

"You mess with Spidey and you mess with New York"

:oldrazz: :cwink:

yeah after he saved their asses like, 3 times. Jonah still hated him. Pre-SM2 bank scene, aunt may wasn't a fan. :cwink:

[Project862006]

Err... no I'm not! WTF?!

Vulture as editor of the Bugle was RAIMI's idea. Black Cat being the daughter of Vulture was RAIMI's idea. Sony wanted her to be Vultress. Raimi wanted Pete and MJ to have a baby.

This is all from the plot outline released last week. It is CONFIRMED that everything in the plot was from Raimi's brain, apart from Vultress.

show me the article that states it was all outlined by Raimi for the script and was no compromise from both parties like the vultress was

[Kanon]

And I still say the general populations reaction, once they learn about this news, is going to be overwhelmingly negative. It already is at some of the movie forums I go to.
It is. This is the link in the facebook page of the most important movie site in Argentina. This is the general audiences people keep talking about, supposed to hate Spidey 3, and such

http://www.facebook.com/cinesargentinos#/posted.php?id=33081300076&share_id=259503276184&comments=1#s259503276184

In case you can't read spanish, here is a rundown

1st and 2nd comment: complaint, unhappiness
3rd: Suggestion that Sony is on (very cheap) drugs
4th: Astonishment, complaint and hype for Batman 3
5th & 6th: denial
7th: complaint
8th: mockery
9th: complaint
10th fear of pattinson
11st LOL @pattinson
12nd: denial
13rd LOL @ Spidey & pattinson
14th: unhappiness with Tobey as Spidey
15th, 16th, 17th: mockery (suggestion that Schumacher should direct)
18th: hope and desire of ultra faithful adaptation
19th: confusion
20th: clarification to previous post
21st: mockery
22nd: mockery at Tobey
23rd: ADMIN explaining that is not a joke
24th: unhappiness
25th: mockery
26th: Me laughing at those who believe Spider-teen is out of place
27th: indifference... interest in Batman 3
28th: hope that the world ends in 2012 so we don't get to see the movie
29th: complaint
30th: someone that agrees, pro Spidey more funny, acid, and less clumsy
31st: lack of faith. Happy with Raimi
32nd: unhappiness
33rd: happy Raimi is gone
34th: Props to the trilogy
35th: unhappiness

[The Joker]

yeah after he saved their asses like, 3 times. Jonah still hated him. Pre-SM2 bank scene, aunt may wasn't a fan. :cwink:

Nevertheless, Gobby was wrong. The city loved him. Jonah Jameson doesn't count. He hates Spidey no matter what he does. Even when he saves Jonah's worthless hyde.

And Aunt May should never have been a Spidey fan.

[Ace of Knaves]

I still don't understand this, lol. What is it with Raimi's obsession with interconnecting every villain with one another? It's so cheesy. Furthermore, why in the world would SONY want Vultress, instead of BC? Was it the Catwoman comparisons?

Terrible, isn't it?

And yea seeing as Black Cat is a BLATANT rip off of Catwoman, it wouldn't surprise me if that was their motive.

[Ace of Knaves]

show me the article that states it was all outlined by Raimi for the script and was no compromise from both parties like the vultress was

Go look for it yourself. Try the "SM4 on indefinate hold..." thread.

[GhostPoet]

I was excited for this.....until I read it's Spider-Teen.

[VenomVsSpidey]

What? I never said the first two were mediocre. Spider-Man 2 is UNDOUBTEDLY one of the best comic book movies ever. And I'm grateful for Raimi for that.

But... Spider-Man 3 is UNDOUBTEDLY not as good as Spider-Man 1 or 2. Is it god awful? No. But it is a step down. And Spider-Man 4 wouldn't of reached the heights of the first two.

I'd rather have a reboot and the chance of TRULY brilliant movies for a TRULY brilliant character again rather than so-so movies for a brilliant character. Would you agree?

SM4 had NO ****ING CHANCE of being brilliant. These reboots? We don't know yet. I like those odds.

Like I said in the other thread, when Deadpool comes out, if it's mediocre I'm not gonna be like "Oh it was awesome!" just because it's my favourite character. If it's mediocre I will admit it. You, SpiderFan and others need to take a leaf out of my book. Because by accepting mediocrity you are doing your favourite characters a disservice. By accepting mediocrity it isn't pushing any one to improve, you know what I'm saying?

I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here man. Were never gonna meet a crossroads at this point. And, tbh, it's not even (completely) because of Sam leaving. It's Raimi was supposed to get creative control, and he didn't. Yes, there have been shades of gray in spidey's history, but he's not a dark character., and doing a dark tale on spider-man isn't something I'm interested in. Not to mention it's too damn soon. Even my teacher had a good ole' WTF? face about this...and he isn't a fan of spider-man at all...he still thought this was the 3rd:o

[Ace of Knaves]

I was excited for this.....until I read it's Spider-Teen.

Yea... coz some of Spideys best ever stories didn't have him as a teen in high school...

Oh wait!

[Nathan]

I was excited for this.....until I read it's Spider-Teen.

And what exactly is wrong with that? He was 15 when he got his powers and had lots of adventures when he was still in high school.

It's not like he was bitten, didn't do anything till he was in his early 20s and then started to be Spider-Man.

[GhostPoet]

And what exactly is wrong with that? He was 15 when he got his powers and had lots of adventures when he was still in high school.

It's not like he was bitten, didn't do anything till he was in his early 20s and then started to be Spider-Man.

Because I just have this feeling it's going to be geared more towards kids than adults. Spider-Man 90210

I hope i'm wrong.

[Ace of Knaves]

I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here man. Were never gonna meet a crossroads at this point. And, tbh, it's not even (completely) because of Sam leaving. It's Raimi was supposed to get creative control, and he didn't. Yes, there have been shades of gray in spidey's history, but he's not a dark character., and doing a dark tale on spider-man isn't something I'm interested in. Not to mention it's too damn soon. Even my teacher had a good ole' WTF? face about this...and he isn't a fan of spider-man at all...he still thought this was the 3rd:o

You're still missing my point.

By accepting mediocrity, you are actually, indirectly doing your favourite character a disservice. By accepting anything they throw at you, it doesn't give them motivation to improve.

And seriously, they are not gonna make Spider-Man dark! Spider-Man as we know him today, one of THE biggest comic book characters ever, is one of THE biggest comic book characters ever BECAUSE of his light hearted, happy go lucky, humourous self. You think a studio would jeapordize losing money and changing the character beyond recognition? Course not.

I guarantee you that by saying "We wanna take a TDK approach" they are alluding to The Death of Gwen Stacey. One of the best Spidey stories EVER. And getting rid of the cheesy melodrama and ****ing stupid dance routines. Spider-Man fans should be happy about that.

[conan69]

You assume way too much Ace.

You know what SM3 did suck - but I still prefer it over:

Ghost Rider,Fantastic Four 1 & 2,Elektra, The first 4 Batman films, All the Blade films,etc hell even Avatar and Star Trek.

One bad film doesnt mean you throw away a franchise. As someone else said, since Quantum of Solace was a disappointment does that mean they should reboot the Bond reboot?

You keep going on and on about the baby news so Ill copy this I wrote from another thread:
"About the baby thing.

I think it was a mistake to start these films with Mary Jane instead of Gwen Stacy. This would have allowed Gwen to die in SM1, allowed Parker to pursue MJ in SM2 (also giving him the same "dont I deserve to be happy and guilt issues" he had in SM2)and solved the damsel in distress issue these films have had.

Everyone thinks of MJ as Parker G/F but Parker had a couple before MJ came around.

Within the context of the films, with Parker and MJ being together from the beginning, a kid can work.

I mean do you want Parker to be a teenager forever?

This is one of the things that after 15 or so years (early 70s through mid 80s) began to turn me off from Marvels comic books. No passage of time.

I would prefer to see the character age over time, grow, mature,move forward through and experience life, as the films progress.
This is one of my biggest gripes with the Xmen films. Instead of seeing the team grow over time, we got 3 films that all happen within a few months time and its all over. I wanted to see the Xmen grow up together, learn to be a team and family,etc. The passage of time is important for character development.

Thats the point of having a continuing story."


This news is kind of a last straw for me. I havent been happy with the state of film today. Im looking foward to Thor,Batman3 and maybe Capt America. Thats really it.

I was pissed when Millennium got canned. I was pissed when Deadwood got cancelled, I was pissed when Carnivale got cancelled.

At what point should I stop caring? Why shouldl I invest in any of these creations if theyre just gonna cancel or pull a reboot out of their asses when something doesnt work.

Daredevil, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Spiderman, Xmen. These franchises arent 40 years old. Theyre new and all getting reboots.(although Xmen isnt technically a reboot its a prequel to fix the mess they made of the franchise)

The Bond franchise had plenty of stinkers - and they just kept chugging along.

You dont go back to the beginning and start over everytime you hit a bump - you move forward.

[Ace of Knaves]

You assume way too much Ace.

I assume based on what makes financial sense.

[Figs]

Because I just have this feeling it's going to be geared more towards kids than adults. Spider-Man 90210

I hope i'm wrong.

I could have sworn yesterday there was a mention that they wanted to take it in a darker direction.

By accepting mediocrity, you are actually, indirectly doing your favourite character a disservice. By accepting anything they throw at you, it doesn't give them motivation to improve.

Just like the fans who thought XO: Wolverine was a great film and adaptation. :cmad:

[Spider-ManHero12]

I assume based on what makes financial sense. Still, you assume too much, my friend.

[Spider-Fan]

I do think assuming the Death of Gwen Stacy is coming is assuming too much at this point. We have no idea what darker Spider-Man means, and we won't know til the film comes out. Another reason I doubt they mean Death of Gwen Stacy is why would you elude to a story point that happens in a sequel when you're just announcing a reboot? Makes no sense to me.

[Excelsior.]

People are overly negative. Remember, this is the same studio behind Casino Royale. Probably the best reboot film ever.

[Ace of Knaves]

Look it's simple. Spider-Man is worth millions of dollars. Spider-Man is worth millions of dollars partly because of his personality.

So, let's change a million dollar character just for fun yea?

No.

[Ace of Knaves]

I could have sworn yesterday there was a mention that they wanted to take it in a darker direction.



Just like the fans who thought XO: Wolverine was a great film and adaptation. :cmad:

Not just Wolverine. ANY mediocre comic book movie that fans gobble up simply because it's their favourite character.

They shouldn't gobble it up. They should want MORE. They should want BETTER.

Some fans in here don't have that mentality.

[Buford The Sly]

I'm with AICN call James Cameron and see what he's doing. I would love to see that Cameron Spider-Man movie we all wanted back in the day.

[Project862006]

do you not remember the superman reboot after singer's failed they said they wanted it to be gritty and dark as well lucky for us that was scrapped.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=7609

[Spider-Fan]

Look it's simple. Spider-Man is worth millions of dollars. Spider-Man is worth millions of dollars partly because of his personality.

So, let's change a million dollar character just for fun yea?

No.

But that also doesn't say to me "We're doing the Death of Gwen Stacy."

We don't know what darker Spider-Man means. It can mean anything. Is it possible they mean doing the death of the Stacys? Sure, but I don't think we can assume that at this point. We don't even know what characters are in the film.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yes I'm assuming Death of Gwen Stacey.

But I'm not assuming this...

Spider-Man won't be turned into a gritty, grimey, dark vigilante like Batman. I ****ing guarantee it.

[conan69]

"They shouldn't gobble it up. They should want MORE. They should want BETTER.

Some fans in here don't have that mentality."

And you cant argue taste.

I HATED Star Trek, Avatar, Inglorious Basterds, though Iron Man was way overrated and so on.

Its your opinion man - youre stating it as if its fact.

I dont think anyone is gonna argue with you that SM3 was a disappointment. What alo of people are saying is one bad film is no reason to throw away the investment made in these characters and the continuity youve created over the past 10 years.

You want to bring in a new creative team fine, Im ok with that - but dont scrap the entire thing.

Why should I give a damn about the new films? It they dont meet our expectations,then we should all hope for another reboot? Why invest in the story and characters if a studio can simply say "Sorry we screwed up,were starting over again. Please ignore the last 3 films. They didnt happen."

Its ridiculous.

[Kanon]

So, let's change a million dollar character just for fun yea?

No.
No one is saying they are ****ing Spidey for fun, or even evilness... But they do it (The Vulturess is a good example). Yes, they want to make loads of money. That doesn't mean that they believe doing a film of our (fan's) pleasure is the way.

If they double their money putting the twilight kids in Spidey, they'll do it.

[Mastodon123]

Just because its been said that the movie is going to be dark and gritty doesn't mean Spidey as a character is going to be dark and gritty. You butthurted fools assume way too much.

[Ace of Knaves]

No one is saying they are ****ing Spidey for fun, or even evilness... But they do it (The Vulturess is a good example). Yes, they want to make loads of money. That doesn't mean that they believe doing a film of our (fan's) pleasure is the way.

If they double their money putting the twilight kids in Spidey, they'll do it.

No it means they won't change a tried and tested character who has proven to be a big money maker.

Spidey is one of Marvel's most bankable characters. You don't fix what ain't broken.

Changing Spidey into a dark, gritty vigilante comparable to Batman is doing exactly that. Fixing something that ain't broke. It doesn't make BUSINESS sense, regardless of what the fans feel.

[Ace of Knaves]

Just because its been said that the movie is going to be dark and gritty doesn't mean Spidey as a character is going to be dark and gritty. You butthurted fools assume way too much.

Exactly. But I wouldn't go as far as to say they are butthurted fools :funny:

[HughJackFan420]

Just because its been said that the movie is going to be dark and gritty doesn't mean Spidey as a character is going to be dark and gritty. You butthurted fools assume way too much.


i agree and those confusing the wanna take the Dark Knight approach doesn't mean Spidey is gonna be as serious as Batman. The dark part will be focused on the villains i imagine and to piss em off more I'm sure we'll finally get a more wise cracking Spidey.

[Spider-Fan]

Just because its been said that the movie is going to be dark and gritty doesn't mean Spidey as a character is going to be dark and gritty. You butthurted fools assume way too much.

Both sides are assuming too much. Fact is, WE DON'T KNOW what it means. We won't know what it means til there is footage, a script leak, etc. We just don't know.

Darker Spider-Man can mean anything. I'd like to know exactly what they mean by that, but we're going to have to wait to find out. I hope it means Stacys and such, and not something stupid. But, I must say again, we don't know. We have no idea where this reboot is going.

Sony worries me as a studio right now, but that's my opinion.

[spider-neil]

"They shouldn't gobble it up. They should want MORE. They should want BETTER.

Some fans in here don't have that mentality."

And you cant argue taste.

I HATED Star Trek, Avatar, Inglorious Basterds, though Iron Man was way overrated and so on.

Its your opinion man - youre stating it as if its fact.

I dont think anyone is gonna argue with you that SM3 was a disappointment. What alo of people are saying is one bad film is no reason to throw away the investment made in these characters and the continuity youve created over the past 10 years.

You want to bring in a new creative team fine, Im ok with that - but dont scrap the entire thing.

Why should I give a damn about the new films? It they dont meet our expectations,then we should all hope for another reboot? Why invest in the story and characters if a studio can simply say "Sorry we screwed up,were starting over again. Please ignore the last 3 films. They didnt happen."

Its ridiculous.


I believe the expression is, 'throwing out the baby with the bath water'

this move could explode spectacually in sony's face, and if that day comes I will say to all the people that wanted the reboot, 'careful what you wish for...'

[Nathan]

I believe the expression is, 'throwing out the baby with the bath water'

this move could explode spectacually in sony's face, and if that day comes I will say to all the people that wanted the reboot, 'careful what you wish for...'

It could've just as well exploded in their faces with Spider-Man 4. And by the sound of things, that was going to happen going by the script details.

[Mikelus]

Yes I'm assuming Death of Gwen Stacey.

But I'm not assuming this...

Spider-Man won't be turned into a gritty, grimey, dark vigilante like Batman. I ****ing guarantee it.

:whatever:

Nobody knows for sure, but some people seem to think the opposite:

In a sense, they always had a back-up plan to ensure Spidey would hit the silver screens in 2011 or 2012, no matter what. Except this time, we’ll be seeing young Peter Parker back in high school dealing with the contemporary issues faced by youths in similar situations today (sans radioactive spiders of course).

Clearly, the studio is aiming at targeting the next generation of moviegoers going with a younger cast and teenage-based drama (Transformers and Twilight crowds?). But how will they differentiate this from what was done in Raimi’s first Spider-Man? According to EW, the reboot will be a “gritty, contemporary reboot of the franchise” and make reference to what Batman Begins did for DC’s key film franchise.

http://screenrant.com/story-spider-man-reboot-exists-rob-41048/

Also, there's another potential negative factor, James Vanderbilt (X-Men Origins: Wolverine, panned by critics and fanboys), so if his script for the new Spider-Man is of the same "quality"....:dry: time will tell.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yup.

[CrypticOne]

You assume way too much Ace.

You know what SM3 did suck - but I still prefer it over:

Ghost Rider,Fantastic Four 1 & 2,Elektra, The first 4 Batman films, All the Blade films,etc hell even Avatar and Star Trek.

One bad film doesnt mean you throw away a franchise. As someone else said, since Quantum of Solace was a disappointment does that mean they should reboot the Bond reboot?

You keep going on and on about the baby news so Ill copy this I wrote from another thread:
"About the baby thing.

I think it was a mistake to start these films with Mary Jane instead of Gwen Stacy. This would have allowed Gwen to die in SM1, allowed Parker to pursue MJ in SM2 (also giving him the same "dont I deserve to be happy and guilt issues" he had in SM2)and solved the damsel in distress issue these films have had.

Everyone thinks of MJ as Parker G/F but Parker had a couple before MJ came around.

Within the context of the films, with Parker and MJ being together from the beginning, a kid can work.

I mean do you want Parker to be a teenager forever?

This is one of the things that after 15 or so years (early 70s through mid 80s) began to turn me off from Marvels comic books. No passage of time.

I would prefer to see the character age over time, grow, mature,move forward through and experience life, as the films progress.
This is one of my biggest gripes with the Xmen films. Instead of seeing the team grow over time, we got 3 films that all happen within a few months time and its all over. I wanted to see the Xmen grow up together, learn to be a team and family,etc. The passage of time is important for character development.

Thats the point of having a continuing story."


This news is kind of a last straw for me. I havent been happy with the state of film today. Im looking foward to Thor,Batman3 and maybe Capt America. Thats really it.

I was pissed when Millennium got canned. I was pissed when Deadwood got cancelled, I was pissed when Carnivale got cancelled.

At what point should I stop caring? Why shouldl I invest in any of these creations if theyre just gonna cancel or pull a reboot out of their asses when something doesnt work.

Daredevil, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Spiderman, Xmen. These franchises arent 40 years old. Theyre new and all getting reboots.(although Xmen isnt technically a reboot its a prequel to fix the mess they made of the franchise)

The Bond franchise had plenty of stinkers - and they just kept chugging along.

You dont go back to the beginning and start over everytime you hit a bump - you move forward.

I'd have to agree with you 100%. Nicely said.

[Crook]

Also, there's another potential negative factor, James Vanderbilt (X-Men Origins: Wolverine, panned by critics and fanboys), so if his script for the new Spider-Man is of the same "quality"....:dry: time will tell.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.....since WHEN did he have a hand in this script? Is he uncredited or something? Please don't let it be so...

[Ace of Knaves]

:whatever:

Nobody knows for sure, but some people seem to think the opposite:



Also, there's another potential negative factor, James Vanderbilt (X-Men Origins: Wolverine, panned by critics and fanboys), so if his script for the new Spider-Man is of the same "quality"....:dry: time will tell.

Err... Vanderbilt did not write Wolverine.

David Benioff and Skip Woods did.

Try again.

And Conan, Daredevil and FF are REPORTED to be EVENTUALLY getting reboots. And X-Men is not getting rebooted.

[Spider-Fan]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.....since WHEN did he have a hand in this script? Is he uncredited or something? Please don't let it be so...

No, he wrote the script for the reboot. He also did the first draft on SM4, Raimi brought in a new writer, Sony had him pen sequels and a reboot after Raimi brought in a new writer.

But, I don't think Vanderbilt wrote Wolverine. Wasn't that someone else?

EDIT - Here is Vanderbilt's Writing filmography (not including the SM reboot), via IMDB:

The Losers (2010) (post-production) (written by)
Zodiac (2007/I) (screenplay)
The Rundown (2003) (screenplay)
... aka Welcome to the Jungle (Australia) (UK) (USA: working title)
Basic (2003) (written by)
... aka Basic - Hinter jeder Lüge eine Wahrheit (Germany)
Darkness Falls (2003) (screenplay)

[HughJackFan420]

I believe the expression is, 'throwing out the baby with the bath water'

this move could explode spectacually in sony's face, and if that day comes I will say to all the people that wanted the reboot, 'careful what you wish for...'

yeah but which would u rather have the reboot or the crappy Spider-Man 4 we were gonna get. i wanted the series to continue but the Vulturess? and Vulture as the editor? WTF?

i honestly think they make better video game adaptations then movies. I mean look at XO Wolverine and Spider-Man 3 both video games had better storylines and action and stayed more true to the comics. in XOW it was bloodier and had lots of gore galore the way a Wolverine movie should be. Gambit's accent was thicker and he had the purple flame when throwing cards. Spider-Man 3 I liked Venom's death better it set it up for a return of Venom we finally got Lizard etc...i could make a list of why they were better than the movies but these are just examples. sometimes i wish the concept guys of video games could give some ideas for movie making.

[Ace of Knaves]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.....since WHEN did he have a hand in this script? Is he uncredited or something? Please don't let it be so...

No, he wrote the script for the reboot. He also did the first draft on SM4, Raimi brought in a new writer, Sony had him pen sequels and a reboot after Raimi brought in a new writer.

But, I don't think Vanderbilt wrote Wolverine. Wasn't that someone else?

No he didn't write Wolverine.

David Benioff and Skip Woods wrote Wolverine.

Vanderbilt's credits include Zodiac. Y'know, that brilliant crime thriller.

[Nathan]

No he didn't write Wolverine.

David Benioff and Skip Woods wrote Wolverine.

Phew... I was almost getting a heart attack from the thought of the Wolverine writer working on the Spider-Man reboot. Thanks for saving my life Ace.

[Spider-Fan]

No he didn't write Wolverine.

David Benioff and Skip Woods wrote Wolverine.

I added his filmography to my post. Of his films, only Zodiac was good. But, Zodiac was REALLY good.

[Crook]

Phew... I was almost getting a heart attack from the thought of the Wolverine writer working on the Spider-Man reboot. Thanks for saving my life Ace.

I added his filmography to my post. Of his films, only Zodiac was good. But, Zodiac was REALLY good.
Whew...that was a close one. I was afraid we were already on thin ice, without even a director attached!

My optimism train is still chugging along, baby! :awesome:

[Ace of Knaves]

CHOO CHOO!!!

:awesome:

[Chewy]

Yeah, it'd be an entirely different situation if this thing was written by the writer of X-Men Origins: Wolverine, instead of the writer of Zodiac

[Ace of Knaves]

Yes but that doesn't matter to the Raimi lovers.

[Project862006]

he also wrote the rundown and darkness falls

[Ace of Knaves]

So?

Z-O-D-I-A-C

[stillanerd]

You know, one way they could try to do this is to have the new film be not just a reboot of the franchise but also a kind of "missing chapter" from the Spider-Man films.

For instance, you open the film with a montage of Spider-Man's origin and the movie begins with an action sequence of Peter Parker's first time being Spider-Man as a crime fighter, one with near disastrous results even though he manages to stop the bad guys. From there, we get to see him try to adjust to his high school life and his new life as Spider-Man. Maybe seeing how Aunt May is struggling with the bills and realizes he has to find a way to help her financially. Maybe, due to falling grades, his teacher suggests he see a counselor, believing he's having difficulty with the death of Uncle Ben. Maybe take a cue from the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon and have Gwen Stacy and Liz Allen both competing for his affections. Show more of the bullying by Flash Thompson and how Peter tries to cope with this. Maybe have Mary Jane is introduced via her classic appearance from ASM #42 as a blind date by Aunt May to help cheer him up. Maybe, there could be an emphasis on the criminal underworld wanting to stop Spider-Man because he's interfering with their operations, thus getting mafia types like Tombstone or Hammerhead into the mix, and perhaps the main bad guy being a villain they hire to take him out, which could be anybody from Electro, Kraven the Hunter, or perhaps even Mysterio. And then finally, have the film end with Peter getting a job with the Daily Bugle.

Thus, you get an "origin story" but more about how Peter Parker becomes Spider-Man after he decides to accept the responsibility that comes with his powers.

[Chewy]

he also wrote the rundown and darkness falls
The Rundown is a great movie

[Mikelus]

X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)

Production Credits

Director - Gavin Hood
Screenplay - David Benioff
Screenplay - Skip Woods
Producer - Lauren Shuler Donner
Studio Executive - Alex Young
Screenplay - David Ayer
Producer - Hugh Jackman
Screenplay - James Vanderbilt
Screenplay - Scott Silver
Producer - John Palermo

http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/396429/X-Men-Origins-Wolverine/details

:o

[VenomVsSpidey]

ok, let me post my points on it. I'm still not happy about this at all.But I'm not saying it will suck. I might possibly see it, when it hits bluray or whatever tech is new in 2012. But trust me when I say, I'm not interested in going back to high school. ****, this was supposed to be my last year of that garbage. they MIGHT get me to see this if vulture remains and is played by malkoivch, however. and for all the hate that I will give and get on here and youtube,then those fans who want the reboot can enjoy your reboots, but I got my trilogy here.

[Crook]

X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)

Production Credits

Director - Gavin Hood
Screenplay - David Benioff
Screenplay - Skip Woods
Producer - Lauren Shuler Donner
Studio Executive - Alex Young
Screenplay - David Ayer
Producer - Hugh Jackman
Screenplay - James Vanderbilt
Screenplay - Scott Silver
Producer - John Palermo

http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/396429/X-Men-Origins-Wolverine/details

:o
It sounds like he was credited in some form, in the sense that he was once attached to the project. I see a whole lot of names there for the screenplay, whereas with Spidey he's the sole writer.

Either way, someone in the know please tell me how big Vanderbilt's role was in Wolverine: Origins. I can't put into enough words how much I hate that movie.

[Ace of Knaves]

X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)

Production Credits

Director - Gavin Hood
Screenplay - David Benioff
Screenplay - Skip Woods
Producer - Lauren Shuler Donner
Studio Executive - Alex Young
Screenplay - David Ayer
Producer - Hugh Jackman
Screenplay - James Vanderbilt
Screenplay - Scott Silver
Producer - John Palermo

http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/396429/X-Men-Origins-Wolverine/details

:o

He didn't actually write the bulk of the story though. David Benioff wrote the first draft, Skip Woods came in and revised it.

What you see in Wolverine, is Skip Woods' work. He had the final say on the screenplay.

[Chewy]

It sounds like he was credited in some form, in the sense that he was once attached to the project. I see a whole lot of names there for the screenplay, whereas with Spidey he's the sole writer.

Either way, someone in the know please tell me how big Vanderbilt's role was in Wolverine: Origins. I can't put into enough words how much I hate that movie.
I just googled it and apparently (http://spider-man.moviechronicles.com/2007-10/james-vanderbilt-on-wolverine-and-spiderman-4/) he was given a very short amount of time to turn David Benioff's script into something "filmable" before the WGA's contract deadline

I.E. he was handed a massive turd and he polished it a little bit

[Project862006]

The Rundown is a great movie
it is a fun action movie to pop in on a Saturday night nothing more nothing less

[conan69]

Dont forget that Zodiac is a adaptation of someone elses work (even if the book is a bunch of lies and BS) and had one of the best directors working today to iron issues out.

Zodiac is a great film, but I think X3 is considerably better than Wolverine, which IMHO isnt very good.Take away Liev and you bascially have nothing likeable about it.

[Kanon]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117975064.html?categoryId=13&cs=1

Twentieth Century Fox has several movies headed to the starting line. While Jamie Vanderbilt and Scott Silver have been honing the script, "Wolverine" is a definite go, with a May 2009 release date.

[FaT_tONle]

Damn it. I for got about that detail . well there must be a loop hole other then that. They should at least try. and disney has more money any way. they should be able to pull that off.

I am sure Marvel will grant them an extension if Sony wants to sit for a while. THere is no need for Marvel/Disney to produce a Spiderman reboot considering their current Avengers lineup. It can wait to 2014 or 2015. If it were at Marvel right now, I don't think we'd see Spidey (outside of cameos) in a solo movie until 2015 or beyond.

[Ace of Knaves]

Dont forget that Zodiac is a adaptation of someone elses work (even if the book is a bunch of lies and BS) and had one of the best directors working today to iron issues out.

Zodiac is a great film, but I think X3 is considerably better than Wolverine, which IMHO isnt very good.Take away Liev and you bascially have nothing likeable about it.

Ryan Reynolds and the bullet slicing scene was the best thing about it. Along with Liev.

And X-3 IMO is 1000x worse than Wolverine.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117975064.html?categoryId=13&cs=1

But what you saw in Wolverine wasn't Vanderbilt's work. It was Skip Woods work. Skip Woods was the last person to work on the script.

[DJ Fate]

I am sure Marvel will grant them an extension if Sony wants to sit for a while. THere is no need for Marvel/Disney to produce a Spiderman reboot considering their current Avengers lineup. It can wait to 2014 or 2015. If it were at Marvel right now, I don't think we'd see Spidey (outside of cameos) in a solo movie until 2015 or beyond.

I think most of marvel's movies through 2012 are through a deal with Paramount. I don't think marvel has any movies with disney lined up.

[Nathan]

Well, I'll try to stay objective and wait for the cast, the plot outline and how they trailer looks before I deem it worth watching.

[DJ Fate]

I think most of marvel's movies through 2012 are through a deal with Paramount. I don't think marvel has any movies with disney lined up.

NM, I forgot Marvel is disney now pretty much

[Naite22]

J.K Simmons IS JJ. No other actor will top him.

I want him back.

He was good... But I'm hoping to see a more toned down, more layed back J. Jonah Jameson. ESPECIALLY in "3" he was waaay over the top... if they're gonna do this, and they ARE obviously doing this, I say a whole NEW cast, including Jonah. A whole new direction will be taken.

[DJ Fate]

I think most of marvel's movies through 2012 are through a deal with Paramount. I don't think marvel has any movies with disney lined up.

NM, I forgot Marvel is disney now pretty much, they just have to do distribution through Paramount which Disney can do the distribution from now

[FaT_tONle]

I think most of marvel's movies through 2012 are through a deal with Paramount. I don't think marvel has any movies with disney lined up.

Right... which is the point. Marvel won't reaquire/make properties that are still under the umbrella of Fox and Sony, so long as Paramount holds the distribution deal, because I would THINK Disney/Marvel want 100% of the profit the next time those franchises are rebooted under Marvel. Even if X-Men/Spidey went back to Marvel at this moment, I don't think you'd see a live action X-Men/Spidey movie until Avengers, IM3 and several other Avengers sequels/spinoffs are completed under Paramount's current distribution deal.

[kedrell]

Doesn't paramount's deal end with the Avengers? Or Is it IM3?

[jrd550]

All I can say is AMEN. I was already bored with Spidey 4 before they even got started. It needed a reboot. Now, the reboot can't skew all child like either for the tween market - this can't be the Jonas Brothers Spidey... but I am glad some fresh blood is coming in - a franchise should always reboot after three films.

[Nathan]

Not necessarily always reboot, but it's a good idea to bring a new creative team on board.

[FaT_tONle]

Doesn't paramount's deal end with the Avengers? Or Is it IM3?

Well I believe it was for up to eight films... so there you go. Need to double check that though.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I HATE THIS IDEA!

That is all.

[Nathan]

Thanks for sharing. :awesome:

[Sarg92]

Pattinson in line for 'Spider-Man 4'?

Robert Pattinson is favourite to replace Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man, it has been claimed.

Maguire, who starred as Peter Parker in the franchise's first three films, announced his departure from the project earlier this week.

Following news that director Sam Raimi and Kirsten Dunst have also been dropped from the latest instalment, speculation has been rife over who will replace them.

The Twilight star is currently looking the most likely to assume the lead role, says the Daily Record.

However, the 23-year-old is believed to be facing serious competition from Michael Cera.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html

[Ace of Knaves]

I HATE THIS IDEA!

That is all.

You should see what was gonna be in SM4 then. I doubt you'd like that very much.

[Nathan]

Ok, this is seriously not funny.

[Ace of Knaves]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html

****... no... :dry:

But who makes them favourite? Reporters on a website?

[craigdbfan]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html

:barf:

While I don't think Robert Pattinson is a completely bad actor (watch the Dali movie "Little Ashes).

He has way to much baggage from the Twilight franchise for him to touch this Spidey reboot.

This will be SM 3 X10 for a load of the fans if this happens.

[spider-neil]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html


I've just thrown up in my mouth. just cast the entire twilight crew an be done with it

[BH/HHH]

What no please no, get Anton Yelchin

[Man of Tomorrow]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html



And here comes the Bull**** train

[FaT_tONle]

Sony would be fools not to go with the Twilight cast.

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html Oh god no!!! :doh:

[itsleroy]

If Michael Cera or Robert Pattinson get this role..

I quit.

[spider-neil]

Sony would be fools not to go with the Twilight cast.

are you being serious? my sarcasm sense is off today

[Sentinel X]

Me too. That would just show sony's intentions with this reboot and its not a place I'd like to go. Also Michael Cera is the EXACT same thing as tobey...cold and wooden...except he looks younger.

[FaT_tONle]

It's about bottom line. The next movie that's going to smash the opening day BO. Pattinson and Lautner basically guarantees that.

[craigdbfan]

Me too. That would just show sony's intentions with this reboot and its not a place I'd like to go. Also Michael Cera is the EXACT same thing as tobey...cold and wooden...except he looks younger.

And far uglier and scrawnier.

[Doctor Jones]

They are already fools.

Robert ****ing Pattinson. If this is the case, then my excitement of this film has dropped to zero.

God, I hate Hollywood more than ever right now. Even if it's just a rumor. I hope to God it is.

[itsleroy]

What about Jake Gyllenhaal?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Also Michael Cera is the EXACT same thing as tobey...cold and wooden...except he looks younger. Tobey's a FAAAAAR better actor, IMO. Michael Cera is annoying.

[Doctor Jones]

It's like Sony is just giving us the middle finger right now. Do they even care other then getting their money as soon as possible?

This being if this rumor is true and all this **** happening. Christ, even a rumor gets me pissed.

[FaT_tONle]

Cera for Parker
Pattinson for Flash
Lautner for Osborn
Swift for Gwen

Can't go wrong with that. Get Barrymore to direct. Bay can produce for the action. Honestly, how is that not a 200 million dollar OW?

[[A]]

Pick the entire cast from the CW :up:

[Ace of Knaves]

It's a rumour from a website guys. And it was obvious Pattison's name would be thrown up by these websites.

And Cera? Eisenberg is better at playing that awkward nerdy role. He was awesome in Adventureland.

I honestly wouldn't mind Eisenberg to be honest.

[[A]]

You're twice as honest, Ace :up:

[Pac-Master]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html
:facepalm:

[Ace of Knaves]

;17939069']You're twice as honest, Ace :up:

I honestly just noticed that, honestly.

:funny:

Na but seriously, Eisenberg wouldn't be so bad I don't think. He's 1000x less annoying and 1000x more talented than Cera.

[XxDelta09xX]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html

This would be the worst thing they could do to Spider-Man.:woot:

[spider-neil]

Robert Pattinson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1500155/) - peter parker/spider-man
Kristen Stewart (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0829576/) - mary jane
Taylor Lautner (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1210124/) - flash thompson

sony's idea of heaven

[spider-neil]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html

http://static.funnyjunk.com/gifs/sisko.gif

[Spider-ManHero12]

It's like Sony is just giving us the middle finger right now. Do they even care other then getting their money as soon as possible? They don't give a rats ass about the story, sadly. They judt care about getting asses in those seat and getting money. Screw them.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well they do care about the story at least, they did scrap SM4.

[Doctor Jones]

I don't know what to think really.

1, Raimi walked because once again the studio interefered with what he wanted. Which could have been good. Might have been for the better.

2, I don't think the studio scrapped it because they cared about the story. The wanted Vultress when Raimi didn't.

3, when in the hell do movie studios care about a good story?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well they do care about the story at least, they did scrap SM4. ...They scrapped it because they wanted a story with Villians the would make big money. BIG msitake on Sony's part.

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't know what to think really.

1, Raimi walked because once again the studio interefered with what he wanted. Which could have been good. Might have been for the better.

2, I don't think the studio scrapped it because they cared about the story. The wanted Vultress when Raimi didn't.

3, when in the hell do movie studios care about a good story?

Well the story for SM4 was dog ****, they scrapped it. And it WAS dog ****. I mean Pete and MJ having a ****ing baby? What does that mean? More relationship melodrama and the inevitable even of Pete wanting to quit being Spidey... AGAIN. Yea that's great stuff :up:

Reports say the reboot script is better than the SM4 script.

[Posioned Bat]

If Michael Cera or Robert Pattinson get this role..

I quit.
Well that would be the worst choices. This film would be terrible .I don't know how you can keep people interested in a 2hr+ film especially a Spider-Man one, when it's about Peter Parker's high-school life. As for the cast and crew change, it's Sony blowing up the previous (we should call it that now) Spidey franchise and starting from the beginning.

[batman44]

I've never seen Robert Pattinson act so I can't judge him. Is he really terrible?
As for Cera, can't say I would be pleased with that choice...if any of this is even true.

[JaD]

Well the story for SM4 was dog ****, they scrapped it. And it WAS dog ****. I mean Pete and MJ having a ****ing baby? What does that mean? More relationship melodrama and the inevitable even of Pete wanting to quit being Spidey... AGAIN. Yea that's great stuff :up:

Reports say the reboot script is better than the SM4 script.They were also trying to push for 2011 to start production in a couple months when he wanted more work on the script. It could've gotten alot better we don't know that.

[Crook]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html
Lol, how much you wanna bet at least half a dozen fanboys will actually take this into consideration? :funny:

EDIT: Aaaaaannnd I was right. Geez, I was joking. Seems I've overestimated some of you. :doh: