Sony Rebooting Spider-Man for 2012!!!

[night0205]

OK. Number 1, I don't believe those rumors at all. Not at all. Not at all. And if it's true, then Sony is more messed up then I thought. If either one of those actors get it.... I will.... I will regret everything I've said to support a reboot. But I don't believe it so... it's OK :)

[Chris Wallace]

As many of you know, I'm generally against rebooting unless it's truly, absolutely necessary. I'd hoped the "Spider-Man" franchise would be one of the few to escape this net, and I think it's a bad idea here. It's too soon, and it just shows that no franchise is safe. That said, if they're going to do it, let's hope they can manage to inject some freshness into the material without alienating fans of Raimi's trilogy.
My predictions:
1. Mechanical webshooters-which I'm FINE with as long as they're not outboard, a la Nicholas Hammond.
2. No romance w/MJ-and if they bring her in, she'll probably have no history with Peter & be introduced as the reluctant blind date.
3. Villain(s) we didn't see in Raimi's movies-maybe Electro and/or Lizard.
4. I probably won't like the new costume. I don't honestly think it's possible to improve on James Acheson's costume design. To simplify the costume or make it more elaborate will probably result in disaster. (See "SUperman Returns" design)
5. The title will probably be Amazing or Spectacular Spider-Man.
6. This time we'll probably see Spidey's life strictly as a teen for he entire series.

My preferences:
1. Please, please, PLEASE don't go "grimdark" with it. Spider-Man is not Batman. Any attempt to steal the Dark Knight's thunder will be seen through and would be a nightmare. And let's not get stupid with it & try too hard to make it "mature". Remember the MTV series.
2. We really don't need to see Peter get bitten again. A quick reference to when & where, acknowledging that it's not the red & blue spider of the Raimi movies is fine.
3. No throwbacks to the 70's TV show.No bulky utility belt, vinyl boots or (once again) visible webshooters.
4. I hope they don't go all out Ultimate. This should still feel like the Spider-Man I grew up with, albeit a modified vision of him. I don't want any super soldier references, or a Green Goblin that throws fireballs & looks like the Abomination.
5. Let's keep Venom out of it this time. Really. Just leave him in the 90's where he belongs.
6. Some things-whether you liked them or not-belong in the Raimi movies & only the Raimi movies. There's no need for shirt-rip sequences or gratuitous unmaskings.
7. No rotating love interests. That got old 15 years ago with Batman. I'd also say no needless ID reveals in every movie either.
8. Leave in the Stan Lee cameo.
9. Don't kill off the villains.

[craigdbfan]

Of course all the stuff floating around is pure hearsay.

But when dumb rumors come out its better to show your distaste. The internet sadly does have some relevance in some studio decisions.

[cerealkiller182]

Of course Pattinson is up for Spiderman. Hes an "it" boy. There is definitely a shortlist at sony of them. Same reason Ryan Reynolds and Sam Worthtington's names get thrown around for every late-20/early-30 heroic types.

[Posioned Bat]

I've never seen Robert Pattinson act so I can't judge him. Is he really terrible?
As for Cera, can't say I would be pleased with that choice...if any of this is even true.
Not terrible but he would be a bad choice. Compare his look to Maguire's and you know what i mean.

IMO compared to Maguire, Cera looks too much like a kid to play a Peter Parker character that has been going for 3 movies.

[david icke]

Anything you read that is sourced from 'The Daily Record' is to be taken with a pinch of salt and lashings of vinegar, because all it is used for in Scotland(it is a Scots tabloid) is for reading sports results and wrapping up tomorrow's chips(fries).

I hope they find an unknown for Spidey, or at least someone not that known, someone who has maybe been a background player and has not had a chance to shine yet. In other words, i can't think of anyone suitable for the role.

[Ace of Knaves]

Not terrible but he would be a bad choice. Compare his look to Maguire's and you know what i mean.

IMO compared to Maguire, Cera looks too much like a kid to play a Peter Parker character that has been going for 3 movies.

It's a reboot. He wouldn't be playing the same Peter PArker as McGuire.

[Sawyer]

I still say give Betty Brant a bigger role.

[craigdbfan]

Regardless Cera shouldn't be anywhere near this movie.

[Posioned Bat]

It's a reboot. He wouldn't be playing the same Peter PArker as McGuire.
Still, i don't see anything good from it. Let the real role talks begin later.

[cerealkiller182]

I just dont like Cera. Started off decent enough, but now Im just sick of him.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Regardless Cera shouldn't be anywhere near this movie. This .:up:

[zeptron]

I want a good movie as much as the rest of you, but Raimi leaving doesn't fix the core problem. The main cause behind SM3's horrendous quality still casts it's money-hungry shadow over everything. That shadow belongs to Sony.

Even the option of rebooting the franchise could be a bad idea considering that Sony still OWNS the movie rights to the character. A reboot will have the same format as the other films. Why? Because Sony has a guaranteed cash cow here...a bonafide money-making formula, and they will most likely never change it. If it's making them loads of cash...why would they?

And there in lies the core problem. Sony itself. I'm not expecting much improvement unless Sony relinquishes it's hold on SM and gives it back to Marvel Entertainment.

And before anyone disagrees, let me just say two words...Iron Man. An uber-successful superhero movie done right...by Marvel. The RIGHT people. I applaud Raimi for sticking to his guns and not caving in this time to the studio pressure. It's a shame that he had to walk away (SM2 was quite decent).

[Pythagoras]

What if Shia Lebeouf became Spiderman?

[Captain Planet!]

I just found out.

Wow, I'm just kinda in shock. I never really thought I would see this happen so soon. Yeah, all the haters wanted it, but I didn't think it'd really happen. It seems so long ago when I saw Spider-Man for first time, but at the same time it feels like yesterday. It just feels sad that this has to end like this.

I guess it's time to move on. Since every Spider-man movie kind of has a main "theme", I always thought Spider-Man 4's theme should be acceptance... I guess we have to accept that this is the end.

We'll see how this experiment turns out, But never forgot the good times, man, never forget.

[[A]]

What if Shia Lebeouf became Spiderman?Mass suicide.

[spider-neil]

I just found out.



where have you been? on another planet?

[I Am The Bat]

Okay - So... Here is what is going to happen...

The world is fooled - Sony and Raimi will keep up this "ploy" about the movie being cancelled... They will even announce so casting and principle shooting for the "NEW SPIDERMAN" movie... But that isn't what is really happening...

Raimi wrote a script... A REALLY GOOD SCRIPT... but it only works under these condition (saying that they are canceling this film, taking the audience for a ride). Sony liked the script and the idea SOOO much they agreed to give Raimi more time when shooting this film... Hence the later release date...

What is the script about? Mysterio! - That is right... and you know who is going to play him? BRUCE CAMPBELL...

Audience will enter "The Amazing Spider-Man" thinking it is a film starring ::Insert young kid here:: as Peter Parker in a Dark Knight like film... HOWEVER... when the film starts... all hell breaks loose - revealing Mysterio to be the reason why we THOUGHT we were going to see this "reboot"

I don't know about you, but I can't wait for SP4!!!!!!





--This of course is a joke--

[Captain Planet!]

where have you been?
Not the computer for a couple days.

[Heretic]

I dont mind making the actors younger...you kind of have to do that in order to keep it going...but I definitely feel odd about them ditching all that continuity. Spidey 1 and 2 are considered high water marks in superhero films...kinda sucks that they no lnger "happened".

[craigdbfan]

I dont mind making the actors younger...you kind of have to do that in order to keep it going...but I definitely feel odd about them ditching all that continuity. Spidey 1 and 2 are considered high water marks in superhero films...kinda sucks that they no lnger "happened".

They did happen.

The Ultimate universe didn't destroy Earth 616 did it?

It'll just be a different iteration, no reason the two can't coexist.

[Rodrigo90]

Its ironic. Yesterday,before I knew about the reboot, I was playing Evil Dead Hail To The King for the PS1 and I was thinking to myself...

"If it werent for SM4,Sam would be working on Evil Dead 4"

Even on the day Heath Ledger died,he just.popped into my head BEFORE I knew he died. Even when people are pregnant I always know what baby theyre having. Im psychic...I JUST CANT PREDICT THE ******* LOTTERY NUMBERS,lol.

[Chris Wallace]

What if Shia Lebeouf became Spiderman?

What if hell hosted the Winter Olympics?

[ironwez20]

I just want venom to be done well this time. I want him in his own movie as the main villain, Im still shocked that a remake is so soon btw.

[BlackLantern]

Sony should go with total unknowns for the main cast....maybe get some established actors for villains....we'll probably get a younger director who's only helmed 1 or 2 "big' films

[Chris Wallace]

No Venom.
Oh, and less CGI for the web-swinging scenes.

[UnionJack]

I hope to every god in the universe this is untrue!

Robert Pattinson is favourite to replace Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man, it has been claimed.
Maguire, who starred as Peter Parker in the franchise's first three films, announced his departure (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195717/sony-reboots-spider-man-film-franchise.html) from the project earlier this week.
Following news that director Sam Raimi and Kirsten Dunst have also been dropped from the latest instalment, speculation is rife over who will replace them.
Twilight (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/moviereviews/a138743/twilight.html) star Pattinson is currently looking the most likely to assume the lead role, says the Daily Record.
However, the 23-year-old is believed to be facing serious competition from Michael Cera.


http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html

[Darkness Falls]

Had a day to think about this whole situation

still can't believe a reboot has been announced
It's still very strange to me given they sounded like spiderman 4 was going on and was going to return to the style of the first two rather than the infamous third installment

I for one was looking forward to spider man 4 and imo John Malcovich would have been a great choice for the vulture

Did the original Trilogy have faults ? of course it did, but they did NOT need to reboot the entire franchise because spiderman 3 did not please a few people....there are a few other heroes that need reboots/incredible hulk treatment... ie, F4, Daredevil, Ghost rider to name a few

It feels this reboot was a quick decision on sony's part to secure the rights for the next decade

So with the impending reboot franchise on the way... here are some pros and cons


Pro's

Peter's in high school - more like the comics (he was graduated by the 2nd act in spiderman 1)
We'll probably see a more smart ass spidey
Marvel has a say this time round
Hopefully they will not kill off the villians allowing them to return in possible sequals ie Sinister Six
Venom
Introduce the REEAL gwen stacy and also felicia hardy this time
NO more every villian is connected to parker - the only exceptions should be Venom doc ock and goblin
Con's

It will be a little hard to get people to accept the new peter parker
ANOTHER origin film
imo no one can top j.k Simmons as JJJ
recycled villians - no problem with using goblin,ock and venom again as they are 3 of spideys biggest foes, but there are a few guys that deserve a shot, ie. Electro, scorpion, vulture, the lizard, like how batman begins used scarecrow and ra's
The Raimi suit is PERFECTION and will be a little hard to match
i'm sure there are alot more but i think i've mentioned enough

Final say: I'm sure the reboot will be good, but still think its a bit soon for one and sony should have let raimi and co finish....well whatever they had planned

[terry78]

9-r7qymfa0Q

Spidey 1, we hardly knew ye. :csad:

[Downhere]

I hope to every god in the universe this is untrue!



http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html

:dry: Oh, I hope that is not true...Robert Pattinson or Michael Cera? You got to be kidding me.

[Artistsean]

Maybe the movie is going to take place in between Peter getting his powers/becoming Spider-Man and his graduation. So that he is still in High School. Flash Thompson, Harry Osborne, Norman Osborne, MJ, and everyone are still there, alive and part of Peter's life.
These could be the stories that we didn't see.

[Captain Planet!]

9-r7qymfa0Q

Spidey 1, we hardly knew ye. :csad:
Never forget the good times, man.

[JaD]

Never forget the good times, man.It's impossible for me to forget. I still remember opening night for 1. And making every single one of these.http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/spidey3/gifs/s1-igotbetter-12n.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/spidey3/gifs/s1-goblindodge.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/spidey3/gifs/s1-movekidr.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/spidey3/gifs/s2-alleysuitup_jd-7n.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/spidey3/gifs/s2-niteclimb_jd-9.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/spidey3/gifs/s2-heresurchange.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/spidey3/gifs/s3-venomstrangle.gifhttp://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9206/s3punchthru.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/JAD51287/spidey3/gifs/s3-walk-jd-9n.gif

Very, very good times.

[itsleroy]

I want more swinging scenes. More fighting. More acrobatics. Make Spider-Man look amazing in the air.

[I Am The Bat]

it's impossible for me to forget. I still remember opening night for 1. And making every single one of these.http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/jad51287/spidey3/gifs/s1-igotbetter-12n.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/jad51287/spidey3/gifs/s1-goblindodge.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/jad51287/spidey3/gifs/s1-movekidr.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/jad51287/spidey3/gifs/s2-alleysuitup_jd-7n.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/jad51287/spidey3/gifs/s2-niteclimb_jd-9.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/jad51287/spidey3/gifs/s2-heresurchange.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/jad51287/spidey3/gifs/s3-venomstrangle.gifhttp://img42.imageshack.us/img42/9206/s3punchthru.gifhttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b105/jad51287/spidey3/gifs/s3-walk-jd-9n.gif

very, very good times.

love it

[Spider-ManHero12]

I had the time of my lfie hyping these 3 films. I really did. It struck a cord in my heart in a big big BIG way.

[BlackLantern]

Drew McWeeny of HitFix made a good point....the average movie goer, the 98 percent of the movie going public that aren't a bunch of psychos like us who freak over everything don't care who's directing or who's writing they just want Spider-Man

[CrypticOne]

I hope to every god in the universe this is untrue!



http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a195972/pattinson-in-line-for-spider-man-4.html

Please God, NO!!!!!

[JustABill]

Drew McWeeny of HitFix made a good point....the average movie goer, the 98 percent of the movie going public that aren't a bunch of psychos like us who freak over everything don't care who's directing or who's writing they just want Spider-Man
Exactly. No body in the general public is going to miss Tobey Maguire or Sam Raimi.

[Paroxysm]

It should be interesting to see, still would have liked to see S-M4 though....oh well. This new Spider-Man will probably be in 3D too.

[HUMANIMAL]

see to them you're just a freak..they need you right now...but when they don't ...they'll cast you out... like a leper...see their morals their codes … it’s a bad joke, dropped at the first sign of trouble ;-)

[Sundancer]

:dry: Oh, I hope that is not true...Robert Pattinson or Michael Cera? You got to be kidding me.

Oh dear lord no.

I still wish Jake Gyhlenhaal had gotten it...

[Ace of Knaves]

Drew McWeeny of HitFix made a good point....the average movie goer, the 98 percent of the movie going public that aren't a bunch of psychos like us who freak over everything don't care who's directing or who's writing they just want Spider-Man

So true. But no one here is gonna pay attention to that nugget of logic.

[I Am The Bat]

So true. But no one here is gonna pay attention to that nugget of logic.

No one here at all :P

[JustABill]

I hate seeing people I genuinely like be hit with an outbreak of the stupids. :(

[JaD]

Exactly. No body in the general public is going to miss Tobey Maguire or Sam Raimi.Hmm, well I know I've already read some people in here mention that their parents or teachers went "Huh?" or "WTF" at the news, so I already disagree.

[JustABill]

Hmm, well I know I've already read some people in here mention that their parents or teachers went "Huh?" or "WTF" at the news, so I already disagree.
In the end, Spider-Man is the star. Not Raimi, not Dunst, not Maguire. Spider-Man.

[SentinelMind]

My initial reaction was way too soon.....but now after hearing the garbage they were putting together for Spider-Man 4 and giving it more thought, I've become more cautiously optimistic.

I'll be honest I wasn't all that thrilled for Spider-Man 4, I pretty much never visited this thread after 3 came out. But the prospect of a reboot may be the right thing this franchise needs. New ideas, new characterization, new actors, new villains.

What I don't like is that Sony and Vanderbilt is attached to this franchise. I looked at his other list of films he's directed...an eh....nothing really strikes me as exciting.

The potential is huge, but the set-up does have me a bit worried.

[I Am The Bat]

Hmm, well I know I've already read some people in here mention that their parents or teachers went "Huh?" or "WTF" at the news, so I already disagree.

People will forget... I would've liked to see another Raimi-centric SM, but whatever, I can't control the universe and there is always the chance we might get another SM3 because Raimi and Sony can't butt **** each other with dignity.

I'm excited to see Spidey taken in a new direction, but I am extremely cautiously optimistic - It could turn out to be the greatest superhero film ever made, or it could turn out to be a greater dud than SM3...

I can't make any judgements since the news was released yesterday...

[I Am The Bat]

My initial reaction was way too soon.....but now after hearing the garbage they were putting together for Spider-Man 4 and giving it more thought, I've become more cautiously optimistic.

I'll be honest I wasn't all that thrilled for Spider-Man 4, I pretty much never visited this thread after 3 came out. But the prospect of a reboot may be the right thing this franchise needs. New ideas, new characterization, new actors, new villains.

What I don't like is that Sony and Vanderbilt is attached to this franchise. I looked at his other list of films he's directed...an eh....nothing really strikes me as exciting.

The potential is huge, but the set-up does have me a bit worried.

STOP SCREEN WATCHING ME!!!!!! :wow:

[Ace of Knaves]

My initial reaction was way too soon.....but now after hearing the garbage they were putting together for Spider-Man 4 and giving it more thought, I've become more cautiously optimistic.

I'll be honest I wasn't all that thrilled for Spider-Man 4, I pretty much never visited this thread after 3 came out. But the prospect of a reboot may be the right thing this franchise needs. New ideas, new characterization, new actors, new villains.

What I don't like is that Sony and Vanderbilt is attached to this franchise. I looked at his other list of films he's directed...an eh....nothing really strikes me as exciting.

The potential is huge, but the set-up does have me a bit worried.

The guy isn't a director he's a writer.

And he wrote Zodiac. You know, that brilliant crime thriller?

[night0205]

Zodiac was an amazing film!

[Alex The Great]

****ing hell their doing a reboot??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!






FOR ****S SAKE!

[Asteroid-Man]

Raimi was a terrible director.
The scripts were poorly written.
Maguire is nothing like Peter Parker and he is a terrible actor.
Dunst is a bad actress and her delivery of MJ was not consistent or even slightly accurate.

The only good parts were the music, Sandman's background, and Green Goblin.

My choices...

CAST

Writers:


Greg Johnson (Ultimate Avengers 1&2, Hulk: TAS, Wolverine and the X-Men, Doctor Strange, The Invincible Iron Man, X-Men: Evolution, Beast Wars: Transformers, Iron Man: TAS)
John Semper (Static Shock, Hulk: TAS, Spider-Man: TAS)


This writing team I find is perfectly balanced. Greg Johnson has gone from serious, nitty gritty Marvel Adaptations to some more light hearted stuff. He also stays very true to the source material. Johnson doesn't have much experience with Spider-Man, and this is where Semper (someone that Johnson previously worked with) comes in. Semper has written some of the best Spider-Man: TAS episodes and would give Johnson some heads ups on effective ways of making Spider-Man appealing to children and adults without become really lame (Like SM3) and boring (Like SM1) and he also knows how to write love stories that make sense to kids and adults (Unlike SM2)

Director :


Favreau- I would love to see Favreau do this considering he isn't doing Avengers. His style of directing is PERFECT for a Spider-Man film. Light, amazing action, dramatic when needed, made sure the characters were inline and consistent and he made sure the delivery of quirky lines was done flawlessly.

Producer:


Bob Richardson. This guy is amazing when it comes to his work as a Producer. Just look him up.

Music:


Ron Fish (see here (http://www.ronfishmusic.com/Soundroomcombatpage.htm))
Mark Snow (Smallville)

Fish is amazing at coming up with fast paced and music that would fit perfectly into a Spider-Man movie. (Listen Here (http://www.ronfishmusic.com/Ron_Fish_Combat/MT.%20Everest%20Master%20Final.mp3)) Snow also has a lot of experience with collaborative work so working with another composer shouldn't be too hard for him. Mark Snow is really good with transitional (scene to scene) and light music (perfect for the Peter Parker scenes) as when little things are bother him.

Head Honcho:


Stan Lee (GET AVI ARAD THE HELL AWAY FROM THIS FILM)

CREW

Peter Parker: Sorry to say it but...Shiah LaBeof. He's young (even looks young) he's good at being a lame happy go lucky loser and he's very good at delivery. He is undeniably a very good actor, it's just sad that he had to be in Transformers 2... LaBeof even looks the part.

Harry Osbourne: Brett Dier. Ever seen him act? Well he can act. He's good at going from full out furious to calm and understanding. Not a funny guy so he should make a good Harry. He even looks the part.

Gwen Stacey: Amber Heard. AKA 406 from Zombieland. She looks, sounds like and acts the part pretty damn well in her brief moments as a normal human.

Marry-Jane Watson: Emma Stone. Just watch her in Zombieland and try and tell me she isn't like the MJ from the comics. She's even a natural red head and is pretty hot!

Lonnie (Tombstone) Lincoln: He should appear as just a philanthropist in this one. If there is a second and a third, you introduce Tombstone seperately and at the end of number two you reveal that they are the same. He should be played by Keith David.

J. Jonah Jameson: Albert Brooks. This guy sounds and acts exactly like JJJ and I think he could pull him off amazingly well!!!

Robbie Robertson: LeVar Burton could play Robbie Robertson really well in my opiniong.

Norman Osbourne: Tommy Lee Jones. Just look at him. Shouldn't start going bad until halfway through and shouldn't be the Goblin until 3/4s into it so that we can maximise on understanding and appreciating who he is.

Otto Octavious: Should be played by Benicio Del Toro.

Curt Conners: Viggo Mortensen

Hobgoblin or Chameleon: Hugo Weaving

Aunt May: Jane Seymour

Uncle Ben: Barry Williams

Vulture: If he is ever used he should be played FOR SURE by Ben Kingsley.


How I would structure it: Have the crime lords and moblords from the comics established (Kingpin, Tombstone etc) and have some people that eventually become villains working for them (they don't have to be played by known actors just in case they aren't developed.) In terms of super-villains there should be one central villain that from begining to end we know he is the villain per film. A second villain can be introduced if his character was introduced earlier on in the film and if the main character knows him or if we grow to know and understand the character. From 1/2 to 3/4 into the film we see the character's fall or his intentions are revealed and this person is actually more of a threat than who the film first concentrated on. (Ducard->Scarecrow->Ras Al Ghul or Harvey Dent->Joker->Two-Face or Obediah->Ten Rings->Iron Monger)

[BlackLantern]

zodiac was damn good....I would hope the people working on this can separate their "fan" from their work....Raimi let his fan take over and what did we get....a soft Peter Parker and not really bad guys

[Batman137]

This was shocking. But change is always good (:

[SentinelMind]

My bad about calling him a director.

I've heard about Zodiac, haven't seen it, heard it was sleeper hit. I really liked Se7en, but Fincher's hit or miss with me sometimes (didn't really like Fight Club all that much).

I saw parts of the Rundown (.....ehh....), I saw Basic (let's make the most predictable cliche pointless plot twist ever with some big name actors). I won't bother with other horror movies he's written.

Why is a horror/slasher film writer attached to Spider-Man film? I'm really starting to think they will take this Dark Knight fascination stuff too far.

[SentinelMind]

Hearing rumors about abandoned Spider-Man 4 film, I wouldn't have been opposed to giving Peter and MJ a baby (I'd prefer it they had gotten married). I don't mind that aspect of their relationship maturing. I didn't really like the Vulture or Black Cat/Vulturess aspect, that seemed to be pure garbage.



Going back to high school has potential, but I hope they don't keep him there through the full triology or the series will be garbage. I don't want to watch what feels like a Disney special on the big screen.

[Alex The Great]

Man oh Man oh Man.....




I actually hope they do simialar things to Spectacular Spider-Man....I mean, that show is better than Batman TAS

[Captain Planet!]

Raimi was a terrible director.
The scripts were poorly written.
Maguire is nothing like Peter Parker and he is a terrible actor.
Dunst is a bad actress and her delivery of MJ was not consistent or even slightly accurate.

The only good parts were the music, Sandman's background, and Green Goblin.

My choices...

CAST

Writers:


Greg Johnson (Ultimate Avengers 1&2, Hulk: TAS, Wolverine and the X-Men, Doctor Strange, The Invincible Iron Man, X-Men: Evolution, Beast Wars: Transformers, Iron Man: TAS)
John Semper (Static Shock, Hulk: TAS, Spider-Man: TAS)

This writing team I find is perfectly balanced. Greg Johnson has gone from serious, nitty gritty Marvel Adaptations to some more light hearted stuff. He also stays very true to the source material. Johnson doesn't have much experience with Spider-Man, and this is where Semper (someone that Johnson previously worked with) comes in. Semper has written some of the best Spider-Man: TAS episodes and would give Johnson some heads ups on effective ways of making Spider-Man appealing to children and adults without become really lame (Like SM3) and boring (Like SM1) and he also knows how to write love stories that make sense to kids and adults (Unlike SM2)

Director :


Favreau- I would love to see Favreau do this considering he isn't doing Avengers. His style of directing is PERFECT for a Spider-Man film. Light, amazing action, dramatic when needed, made sure the characters were inline and consistent and he made sure the delivery of quirky lines was done flawlessly.
Producer:


Bob Richardson. This guy is amazing when it comes to his work as a Producer. Just look him up.
Music:


Ron Fish (see here (http://www.ronfishmusic.com/Soundroomcombatpage.htm))
Mark Snow (Smallville)
Fish is amazing at coming up with fast paced and music that would fit perfectly into a Spider-Man movie. (Listen Here (http://www.ronfishmusic.com/Ron_Fish_Combat/MT.%20Everest%20Master%20Final.mp3)) Snow also has a lot of experience with collaborative work so working with another composer shouldn't be too hard for him. Mark Snow is really good with transitional (scene to scene) and light music (perfect for the Peter Parker scenes) as when little things are bother him.

Head Honcho:


Stan Lee (GET AVI ARAD THE HELL AWAY FROM THIS FILM)
CREW

Peter Parker: Sorry to say it but...Shiah LaBeof. He's young (even looks young) he's good at being a lame happy go lucky loser and he's very good at delivery. He is undeniably a very good actor, it's just sad that he had to be in Transformers 2... LaBeof even looks the part.

Harry Osbourne: Brett Dier. Ever seen him act? Well he can act. He's good at going from full out furious to calm and understanding. Not a funny guy so he should make a good Harry. He even looks the part.

Gwen Stacey: Amber Heard. AKA 406 from Zombieland. She looks, sounds like and acts the part pretty damn well in her brief moments as a normal human.

Marry-Jane Watson: Emma Stone. Just watch her in Zombieland and try and tell me she isn't like the MJ from the comics. She's even a natural red head and is pretty hot!

Lonnie (Tombstone) Lincoln: He should appear as just a philanthropist in this one. If there is a second and a third, you introduce Tombstone seperately and at the end of number two you reveal that they are the same. He should be played by Keith David.

J. Jonah Jameson: Albert Brooks. This guy sounds and acts exactly like JJJ and I think he could pull him off amazingly well!!!

Robbie Robertson: LeVar Burton could play Robbie Robertson really well in my opiniong.

Norman Osbourne: Tommy Lee Jones. Just look at him. Shouldn't start going bad until halfway through and shouldn't be the Goblin until 3/4s into it so that we can maximise on understanding and appreciating who he is.

Otto Octavious: Should be played by Benicio Del Toro.

Curt Conners: Viggo Mortensen

Hobgoblin or Chameleon: Hugo Weaving

Aunt May: Jane Seymour

Uncle Ben: Barry Williams

Vulture: If he is ever used he should be played FOR SURE by Ben Kingsley.


How I would structure it: Have the crime lords and moblords from the comics established (Kingpin, Tombstone etc) and have some people that eventually become villains working for them (they don't have to be played by known actors just in case they aren't developed.) In terms of super-villains there should be one central villain that from begining to end we know he is the villain per film. A second villain can be introduced if his character was introduced earlier on in the film and if the main character knows him or if we grow to know and understand the character. From 1/2 to 3/4 into the film we see the character's fall or his intentions are revealed and this person is actually more of a threat than who the film first concentrated on. (Ducard->Scarecrow->Ras Al Ghul or Harvey Dent->Joker->Two-Face or Obediah->Ten Rings->Iron Monger)
A-Nus... You deserve this:

:facepalm:

[BlackLantern]

I don't know about all that....its only had 2 seasons and is pretty much dead in the water

[Spider-Fan]

I think we can all agree A-Man should not be putting together any Spidey films :o

[Alex The Great]

I don't know about all that....its only had 2 seasons and is pretty much dead in the water
Have you watched the show? It's waaaay better than the 90's show. WAY BETTER.

And besides, they'll get season 3 rolling eventually. The show has too many good reviews and rewards....Their just trying to figure out what's going on thanks to the Disney Merger and such

[miller man]

UN-BE-LIEVABLE......Just five years removed from Spider-Man 2, a film almost every critic and fan called the greatest superhero movie of all time, and we need to dump the principal cast and crew. It's as if a coach and quarterback failed to win a third super bowl in a row, therefore we must blow the team up. Ridiculous. I feel this speaks more to impatience and greed on ours and the studios' part, rather than the failings of Raimi/Maguire/Dunst.

[Asteroid-Man]

A-Nus... You deserve this:

:facepalm:
Clearly you're only a fan of the films if you must resort to name calling and facepalms over a civilized discussion. Go read the comics (BEFORE ONE MORE DAY), watch Spider-Man: TAS, SS, and play Spider-Man (PC/PS1/N64) and Spider-Man 2: Enter Electro.

[BlackLantern]

Ive watched it...the art is kinda weird and making Peter and Eddie Brock friends is retarded...if I heard him say "bro" one more time, I was going to put my foot through the TV

[Asteroid-Man]

Look guys, most of you had the idea of Spider-Man coming to the big screen bashed so far into your heads that you were too high on Spidey to realize Spider-Man 1-3 is crap next to the other works of Spider-Man I mention. Dunst and Maguire are both terrible actors and are both inconsistent in their style of acting. Raimi's directing style is also a flop. The dance sequences in Spidey 3 and the strut in Spidey 2 and 3 were both Raimi's decisions and have no place in a spidey film. He made the Spidey films cheesy and completely undermined the presentation of most of the characters (save for Goblin (Norman) and Sandman).

[Alex The Great]

Ive watched it...the art is kinda weird and making Peter and Eddie Brock friends is retarded...if I heard him say "bro" one more time, I was going to put my foot through the TV
Dude, Peter aint the nerd of the 60's. He's just a smart kid. I mean, The bond Eddie and Peter had was well, like brothers. And the fall of Eddii into Venom just makes it more Tragic.


And yeah, the art does taking used to, but I like it

[Asteroid-Man]

Ive watched it...the art is kinda weird and making Peter and Eddie Brock friends is retarded...if I heard him say "bro" one more time, I was going to put my foot through the TV
I'll take "Bro-Brock Venom" over Topher "Hang-On-Is-That-Supposed-To-Be-Venom" Grace.

[Captain Planet!]

Clearly you're only a fan of the films if you must resort to name calling and facepalms over a civilized discussion. Go read the comics (BEFORE ONE MORE DAY), watch Spider-Man: TAS, SS, and play Spider-Man (PC/PS1/N64) and Spider-Man 2: Enter Electro.
Don't accuse me of not knowing my ****. I'm not accusing you of it, I'm just saying your movie idea would be far from good. Really far.

[BlackLantern]

Ive never been a big fan of Venom anyway...so I didn't care for either...I liked the fact that he was just a piece of **** human being who tried to get over and got caught

[VenomVsSpidey]

Look guys, most of you had the idea of Spider-Man coming to the big screen bashed so far into your heads that you were too high on Spidey to realize Spider-Man 1-3 is crap next to the other works of Spider-Man I mention. Dunst and Maguire are both terrible actors and are both inconsistent in their style of acting. Raimi's directing style is also a flop. The dance sequences in Spidey 3 and the strut in Spidey 2 and 3 were both Raimi's decisions and have no place in a spidey film. He made the Spidey films cheesy and completely undermined the presentation of most of the characters (save for Goblin (Norman) and Sandman).

:hehe::hehe:...wait....:awesome:...no, wait...:dry::doh: is more appropriate.

[NinjaCarm]

J J Abrams to direct..... please?

[Sawyer]

J J Abrams to direct..... please?

As much as I'd love it, the man has far too much on his plate already.

[ironwez20]

Goodbye 00s spiderman you treated us well. (except for the third one )

[NinjaCarm]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27969/740886-388960_58139_green_goblin_large_super.jpg

I just this means they don't go Ultimate Green Goblin route in a future film. Give us the Goblin we all know and love. Go Mission Impossible maskesque. Make up a reason he'd wear something like the Goblin costume. Maybe he owns different armours from across the world like Bruce Wayne in 1989 Batman.

Think of something!

[NinjaCarm]

Goodbye 00s spiderman you treated us well. (except for the third one )

Not to be an ass, but no thank you 00s Spider-Man for a uncharming whining Peter Parker centering on Mary Jane with bad not so bad villains and bare bone plot and themese and waterdowned acting.

Vamoose 00s Spider-Man, IMHO.

[Spider-Vader]

I enjoy all 3 movies but the only Spidey movie that felt true to the comics, was the second one. The other 2 didn't feel like them at all besides Norman & Sandman. We had Snake Eyes as Spidey, a b****y MJ, no Gwen until the third movie where she's there for no reason, goof-ball Venom, snow boarder Green Goblin 2, Power Ranger Goblin, among other things.

[I Am The Bat]

Well Conan is out of a job now... maybe he can have a role in the movie :P

[bunk]

J J Abrams to direct..... please?

Not if it interferes with Star Trek. I'm afraid I can't allow that.

[zenith16]

For the green Goblin costume mask they can always go with the make up artist company that did the mask that Jim carry stared in . I believe their called the independent production company Unstable Ground they were shown on the electric play ground recently. http://www.elecplay.com/newsdate/2010-01-11#

they showed this on G4 tv canada of Ep but it'll be shown next week on the site. any way they should get them to make the mask. I'm sure it will be cheaper than the power rangers rip off look the green goblin had in the one raimi made.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Not to be an ass, but no thank you 00s Spider-Man for a uncharming whining Peter Parker centering on Mary Jane with bad not so bad villains and bare bone plot and themese and waterdowned acting.

Vamoose 00s Spider-Man, IMHO. That's your opinion, man. Not everybody's. Certainly not mine. Raimi's Spidey still the best!

[zeptron]

Somebody had fun on Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_(film_series)

The Spider-Man film series is dead. Go away, it doesn't matter anymore. Move on with your lives.

[Project862006]

Not to be an ass, but no thank you 00s Spider-Man for a uncharming whining Peter Parker centering on Mary Jane with bad not so bad villains and bare bone plot and themese and waterdowned acting.

Vamoose 00s Spider-Man, IMHO.

what an ungrateful fan

[Alex Logan]

;17932697']..but this is SONY's territory

Marvel still involved.

[Project862006]

Marvel still involved.


marvel is as involved as they have been with x men

[VenomVsSpidey]

what an ungrateful fan

wait'll the reboot sucks.

[NinjaCarm]

That's your opinion, man. Not everybody's. Certainly not mine. Raimi's Spidey still the best!

I know it's my opinion. My demeanor with my answer was not pushy or offending in anyway.

I hate Raimi's vision of Spider-Man. That is my opinion. I felt like I won ten million dollars when I read they are rebooting. Raimi can take his "story all about a girl" and shove it.

Don't treat me like bad guy when I tactfully gave my opinion.

[NinjaCarm]

what an ungrateful fan

You mean what a true Spider-Man fan. :whatever:

[Spidey_62]

You mean what a true Spider-Man fan. :whatever:
No playing the "true fan" card. We're all fans of Spidey here and we all want a fantastic Spidey film to come out of this.

[XxDelta09xX]

Robert Pattinson (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1500155/) - peter parker/spider-man
Kristen Stewart (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0829576/) - mary jane
Taylor Lautner (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1210124/) - flash thompson

sony's idea of heaven

This would be the worst cast ever.:woot:

[Doctor Who]

This would be the worst cast ever.:woot:

LOL Oh my, if that ever happen we would have to bring in Morbious to rape them all. :awesome:

[night0205]

There is no way Sony would do that. But it does create a little doubt, giving the stupid Twilight Series making so much money.

[Ace of Knaves]

That's your opinion, man. Not everybody's. Certainly not mine. Raimi's Spidey still the best!

Raimi's Spidey is the ONLY one you've seen in live action.

Keep an open mind, stop brown nosing Raimi and you might, just might be surprised and think the new films are better.

what an ungrateful fan

He's ungrateful because he didn't like the direction Raimi took yea?

Seriously...

[DACMAN]

That's your opinion, man. Not everybody's. Certainly not mine. Raimi's Spidey still the best!

By default considering the reboot isn't out yet. :oldrazz:

[Dave40]

YES!!!!

This is a dream come true.


Mark my words, Spider-man fans will love this if they're going for a more serious, comic-accurate, and gritty take on the source material.

Less kid friendly, more Batman Begins-like.

Better realism, and definitely a better cast. This is exactly what the franchaise needed.

Agree 100%.:woot:.No more Kristen Dunst,no more soap opera plots.YES!:awesome:

[DACMAN]

No playing the "true fan" card. We're all fans of Spidey here and we all want a fantastic Spidey film to come out of this.

You sure about that?

but...I won't. a dark gritty tale on the webslinger?...when this blows up, I'll be the one laughing ALL day.

DACMAN obviously doesn't know what happens to a "rebooted" movie.

I hope and actually can't wait for this to blow up in everyone's faces.

My mind is blown that there are people out there that actually want this movie to suck and fail. It's weird and pathetic.



UH OH!!!! I GOT ANOTHER ONE COMING!! I CAN'T HOLD IT BACK!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvX_5ym_ajI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvX_5ym_ajI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvX_5ym_ajI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvX_5ym_ajI

[Ace of Knaves]

It's because they love Raimi more than Spidey. Simple as that really.

[spider-neil]

all spidey fans want to see a good movie. in fact I want to see a good movie with heroes I could care less about because I am paying MONEY to see them. so as much as I love sam and his movies I want the new guy to knock the reboot out of the park.*









* I doubt it, though...

[DACMAN]

All they have to do is have him quip and they are all ready one step ahead.

[DACMAN]

It's because they love Raimi more than Spidey. Simple as that really.

Yeah. How freaken weird is that? You'd think they'd go find some Raimi site or something. Why are they bothering to hang around here? Do they not know this is a Spider-Man forum?

Uh oh. Not again...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvX_5ym_ajI

[Kanon]

It's because they love Raimi more than Spidey. Simple as that really.

It's not that (I'm not saying it is my case). They love Raimi's Spidey, and preemptively hate the new Spidey that is coming to replace him. There wouldn't be as much hate if this were a sequel with a different director, instead of a reboot.

[JustABill]

Yes, there would. You guys would have run around like chickens with your heads cut off regardless of any direction that didn't include Raimi and his crew at this point.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yup. In fact it would be worse if Raimi left and Sony got a merc like Ratner in to carry on with SM4. 10000X worse.

[Kanon]

I don't think so. There would be worries and complain, that's inevitable. But it wouldn't be as bad as news that the Spider-Man that was is being replaced with a new Spider-Man.

A sequel with different cast and director would be like Lee, Ditko, Romita, whoever iconic creator, leaving the comic book... This is like Brand New Day...

[Ace of Knaves]

Do you honestly think you with your logical approach, are in the majority?

[JustABill]

I'm getting tired of this being compared to Brand New Day. This is NO WHERE near as awful or bad as that situation was/still currently is.

[Ace of Knaves]

Amazing Spider-Man ain't that bad right now. The Gauntlet is pretty good actually.

What's that? More than half the thread doesn't know what I'm talking about?

:funny:

[Kanon]

Do you honestly think you with your logical approach, are in the majority?
I'm not saying that :p

But I think there wouldn't be as much hate... Of course, people will complain when something they like changes... But a reboot is agressive, a replacement.

[JustABill]

Amazing Spider-Man ain't that bad right now. The Gauntlet is pretty good actually.

What's that? More than half the thread doesn't know what I'm talking about?

:funny:
The Gauntlet has been decent so far, but the current state of the Spider-Man comics could be sooooo much better.

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not saying that :p

But I think there wouldn't be as much hate... Of course, people will complain when something they like changes... But a reboot is agressive, a replacement.

It sure is. It is a risk.

But with the problems surrounding SM4, it was inevitable we'd end up with another SM3 rather than an SM2. So why bother?

Raimi wasn't gonna get to make the film he wanted (whether the film he wanted to make is good or not is irrelevant) so he walked. Which I respect him for. Instead of just going along with it and being a yes man, he walked.

So SM4 getting scrapped and the Spider-Man franchise getting a fresh start is the best possible option at this point.

[Kanon]

I'm getting tired of this being compared to Brand New Day. This is NO WHERE near as awful or bad as that situation was/still currently is.
I didn't say the new version of spidey is going to be as bad as post BND comics... Just that the concept is the same: damaged spidey gets erased in favor of new continuity (and possibly to make it more accesible to new audiences)

That's what is pissing people of. Disregard of old Spidey

[Ace of Knaves]

The Gauntlet has been decent so far, but the current state of the Spider-Man comics could be sooooo much better.

Oh for sure.

I just find it funny that I guarantee a lot, if not most of the people in this thread don't even know about the state the comics are in at the moment.

IE They are Raimi fans, not Spidey fans.

[Ace of Knaves]

I didn't say the new version of spidey is going to be as bad as post BND comics... Just that the concept is the same: damaged spidey gets erased in favor of new continuity (and possibly to make it more accesible to new audiences)

That's what is pissing people of. Disregard of old Spidey

Why is it pissing people off though?

This reboot isn't gonna magically make Raimi's films disappear off the face of the planet. You can still watch and cherish them, nothing will take that away.

Like I said when this news first broke. You can still have Raimi's films in your heart, this reboot will not take that away. And being completely closed off to the idea of new Spidey films without Raimi is just a silly mentality to have.

[spider-neil]

Amazing Spider-Man ain't that bad right now. The Gauntlet is pretty good actually.

What's that? More than half the thread doesn't know what I'm talking about?

:funny:

dropped spidey like a stone with BND, my spidey fix is ultimate spidey. and USED to be SSM:csad:

[Kanon]

IE They are Raimi fans, not Spidey fans.
That's not fair. You can be some kind of fan, without following the current comics. Some die hard fan quit with BND, or just like older comics... maybe you are a fan of just movie Spidey or cartoon spidey (I don't think that less of a fan)

I'm an X-Men fan, and I haven't bought a comic in like 2 years (around when Gambit became a horseman after HoM), and I haven't read a lot of the comics published this century. But I absolubtely love the comics pre-2000. And It's the same situation with Hulk... or Fantastic Four and Spidey, which I love Silver Age stories.

[JustABill]

This is the way people act whenever they hear ''Remake" or ''Reboot."

They seem to think that makes the old films go away. I'm looking at Halloween 78, Spider-Man, Nightmare on Elm Street, Batman 89, and more remade/rebooted films recently on my DVD shelf right in front of me. They didn't magically disappear on me! Shock! They still exist. :hehe:

[Kanon]

Why is it pissing people off though?

This reboot isn't gonna magically make Raimi's films disappear off the face of the planet. You can still watch and cherish them, nothing will take that away.

Like I said when this news first broke. You can still have Raimi's films in your heart, this reboot will not take that away. And being completely closed off to the idea of new Spidey films without Raimi is just a silly mentality to have.
Yes. But people (and primates, it seems) have a tendency to tribalism... I think it's normal and expected to feel threatened by a new version... And by the old version ;)

[Ace of Knaves]

That's not fair. You can be some kind of fan, without following the current comics. Some die hard fan quit with BND, or just like older comics... maybe you are a fan of just movie Spidey or cartoon spidey (I don't think that less of a fan)

I'm an X-Men fan, and I haven't bought a comic in like 2 years (around when Gambit became a horseman after HoM), and I haven't read a lot of the comics published this century. But I absolubtely love the comics pre-2000. And It's the same situation with Hulk... or Fantastic Four and Spidey, which I love Silver Age stories.

OK that's fair enough.

But I honestly get the feeling a lot of people moaning and *****ing about this are not as concerned about the actual Spider-Man character than they are for Raimi's Spider-Man movies.

It's like some don't want the possibility of GREAT Spidey films again. Because SM4 was NEVER gonna reach the heights of Spider-Man 1 and 2.

I'd rather the chance that the new Spidey films MIGHT reach that plateau again, rather than KNOWING Raimi's SM4 would not. You know what I mean?

Some people would just accept another Spider-Man film even if it's mediocre simply because it's another Raimi Spider-Man film. That is not the mentality to have. That is doing Spider-Man, the character, a disservice.

[ultimatefan]

I haven´t bought Marvel comics in a while too, because I´m not happy with the way things are being handled. I hate these longass crossover title storylines, and I thought One More Day was the dumbest idea I heard since the clone saga. That´s how I support my favorite characters, I won´t buy the comics and give the companies money when I don´t think they´re doing it right. Joe Quesada couldn´t care less if you hate the stories if you keep buying the comics.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I can understand that mentality to be fair. Joey Q has been making some dumb decisions.

But hey he's giving Deadpool his time to shine, so I'm happy with that :D As long as he doesn't turn into Wolverine mk 2.0

[NinjaCarm]

I wonder when we will be hearing any sort of news on the reboot. It comes out 2012? They have some work cut out for them.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well they already have a script for it apparently. I'm sure the search for a new creative team and cast has already begun.

[[A]]

All they have to do is casting. I know it's no small task, but they already have the script so..

[Smegger56]

Like I said before, i'm very happy this is happening.

I did enjoy spidey 1 and 2 when they first came out. But then after multiple viewings, I began to see them as poor. And they are IMO. They have some great set peices, but overall, they're just not in the same league as Superman 1 and BB/TDK. Hell, X2 is a better film than Spidey 1&2.

I still enjoy them, but they like that spidey quality. They like the spidey humor, they like spidey sometimes. I'm all for Parkers life being told, its essential. But in the Raimi films, it was just too much. They might as wll have called it 'Peter Parker'.

IN the end, thank you Sam Raimi. Even though in the end this wasn't the spidey I wanted to see, thanks for bringing something to the Big Screen.

[Ace of Knaves]

^ Well put and I agree to an extent.

They were more "Peter-Parker" films than "Spider-Man" films in some ways.

I mean after 3 movies, 7 hours of film, he must of had the suit on for what? An hour?

But I still love the first and second.

[SuperFerret]

Peter Parker has long been the more interesting of the two, if you were to be so short-sighted as to separate the costumed and secret identities of a superhero. :o

[Ace of Knaves]

Err.. well that is Spider-Man.

Peter PArker and Spider-Man are two different personalities. Parker is the awkward, nerdy, unlucky in life and girls kid.

When he puts the Spidey costume on it is a release from that. That's what it is in the comics.

Are you telling me that Clark Kent and Superman have the same personality? Or Batman and Bruce Wayne have the same personality?

[ultimatefan]

No, what´s in the comics is he´s still basically Peter Parker, he doesn´t build an entirely new persona the way Batman and Superman do. He still is unlucky and some of his nerdiness comes out as well. He´s powerful, and he may be more confident than in his regular lifeand get some escape, but he´s still Peter.

[Ace of Knaves]

But he's more confident. The Spider-Man persona is a RELEASE for Peter. He doesn't consciously build a new persona no. But he definitely isn't the nerdy awkward kid anymore.

The recent Joe Kelly written Amazing Spider-Man 611 is a perfect example of this. It starts off with Parker down in the dumps. Moaning about how he's always getting crapped on. Then he puts the Spidey suit on and he is completely different.

[spider-neil]

Like I said before, i'm very happy this is happening.

I did enjoy spidey 1 and 2 when they first came out. But then after multiple viewings, I began to see them as poor. And they are IMO. They have some great set peices, but overall, they're just not in the same league as Superman 1 and BB/TDK. Hell, X2 is a better film than Spidey 1&2.

I still enjoy them, but they like that spidey quality. They like the spidey humor, they like spidey sometimes. I'm all for Parkers life being told, its essential. But in the Raimi films, it was just too much. They might as wll have called it 'Peter Parker'.

IN the end, thank you Sam Raimi. Even though in the end this wasn't the spidey I wanted to see, thanks for bringing something to the Big Screen.

I suggest you watch BB again. overrated. can't make out any of the fight and the third act is RUBBISH. there's not enough time to go into the flaws of wolverine 2, sorry I mean X2.

[ultimatefan]

But he's more confident. The Spider-Man persona is a RELEASE for Peter. He doesn't consciously build a new persona no. But he definitely isn't the nerdy awkward kid anymore.

The recent Joe Kelly written Amazing Spider-Man 611 is a perfect example of this. It starts off with Parker down in the dumps. Moaning about how he's always getting crapped on. Then he puts the Spidey suit on and he is completely different.

I like better the more Stan Lee-esque Spider-Man, where you can still see a lot of his awkwardness in costume. I love it that Spidey is a more mundane superhero, that you can see eating a donut or having trouble for not having pockets to carry money in his suit.

[Ace of Knaves]

He can still do mundane things as Spider-Man.

I'm talking about his actual personality. He is more confident, being Spidey is a release from the life of Peter Parker.

Doesn't mean he acts like Iron Man or Captain America. He still retains the Parker personality, but it's amplified. As Parker he wouldn't dare crack wise to a bully or whatever. But as Spidey he has the confidence to take the piss out of his enemies. That's how I've always liked my Spidey.

[dnno1]

I wonder when we will be hearing any sort of news on the reboot. It comes out 2012? They have some work cut out for them.

I don't think it's happening. Not in 2012. I'm betting the rights will expire (if they already haven't) and Columbia/Sony will loose Spiderman to Marvel/Disney, which is what they wanted to begin with.

[Kanon]

Doesn't mean he acts like Iron Man or Captain America. He still retains the Parker personality, but it's amplified. As Parker he wouldn't dare crack wise to a bully or whatever. But as Spidey he has the confidence to take the piss out of his enemies. That's how I've always liked my Spidey.
Call me crazy, but that's how I see him in the films (first 2, at least), except in the final battles, where things are more dire...

It would be a super extra bold move to have that kind of Spidey in the last battle with the villain. It might take away the drama of the situation, make it seems there is no danger, whatever... I'm not holding my breath for that happening.

[spider-neil]

I don't think it's happening. Not in 2012. I'm betting the rights will expire (if they already haven't) and Columbia/Sony will loose Spiderman to Marvel/Disney, which is what they wanted to begin with.

sony only have to START the movie by 2012 for the rights not to revert back to marvel which they almost certainly will have done.

[ultimatefan]

He can still do mundane things as Spider-Man.

I'm talking about his actual personality. He is more confident, being Spidey is a release from the life of Peter Parker.

Doesn't mean he acts like Iron Man or Captain America. He still retains the Parker personality, but it's amplified. As Parker he wouldn't dare crack wise to a bully or whatever. But as Spidey he has the confidence to take the piss out of his enemies. That's how I've always liked my Spidey.

Jesus, still the damn quipping thing? This is becoming the new organics argument...

To me it´s not lack of confidence that makes him quip less in the movies. He corageously faces his enemies, like in the comics. Like I said in other posts, when you don´t have someone he cares about in danger, Spidey tends to quip more - like in the bank fight, before Aunt May is in danger. It´s more about worrying for the people he loves IMO. That and you can´t make a character say ten jokes while throwing a punch when it´s actual motion and not a still comics page.

[Reikowolf]

Sony is essentially using the same game plan as they did for James Bond since they acquired the rights from United Artists/ MGM.

It should be noted this same game plan had them move forward with production of Quantum of Solace despite having an incomplete script.

This is the same studio that brought you.

2002

* The New Guy (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios)
* Mr. Deeds (remake of 1935 film Mr. Deeds Goes to Town) (co-production with New Line Cinema and Happy Madison)
* The Master of Disguise (2002) (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios and Happy Madison)
* Stealing Harvard (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios and Imagine Entertainment)
* Spider-Man (co-production with Marvel Comics)
* Stuart Little 2
* Enough
* Punch-Drunk Love (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios and New Line Cinema)
* Adam Sandler's Eight Crazy Nights (co-production with Happy Madison Productions)
* Men in Black II (co-production with Amblin Entertainment)
* Panic Room
* Adaptation. (co-production with Intermedia Films)
* Trapped (co-production with Senator Entertainment)

2003

* Seeing Double
* National Security (co-production with Intermedia Films)
* Something's Gotta Give (co-production with Warner Bros.)
* Daddy Day Care (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios) (Plus TriStar Pictures sequel in 2007)
* Darkness Falls (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios) (remake of the 1999 Lions Gate film Darkness Falls)
* Once Upon a Time in Mexico (co-production with Dimension Films and Troublemaker Studios)
* Peter Pan (co-production with Universal Studios and Revolution Studios)
* Gothika (co-production with Warner Bros.)
* Bad Boys II
* Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (international distribution only)
* The Missing (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios and Imagine Entertainment)
* Big Fish

2004

* Envy (co-production with DreamWorks Pictures and Castle Rock Entertainment)
* Spider-Man 2 (co-production with Marvel Comics)
* Anacondas: The Hunt for the Blood Orchid (co-production with Screen Gems)
* White Chicks (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios and Wayans Bros. Entertainment)
* The Grudge
* Christmas with the Kranks (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios)

2005

* Are We There Yet? (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios)
* The Longest Yard (co-production with Paramount Pictures, MTV Films and Happy Madison Productions)
* Guess Who (remake of 1967 film Guess Who's Coming to Dinner) (co-production with Regency Enterprises)
* Lords of Dogtown (co-production with TriStar Pictures)
* Hitch
* Fun with Dick and Jane (Remake of the 1977 film Fun with Dick and Jane, co-production with Imagine Entertainment)
* Bewitched (based on 1960s television series)
* The Legend of Zorro (co-production with Spyglass Entertainment and Amblin Entertainment)
* Into the Blue (co-production with Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer)
* Memoirs of a Geisha (co-production with DreamWorks Pictures, Spyglass Entertainment and Amblin Entertainment)
* Zathura
* Yours, Mine & Ours (co-production with Paramount Pictures, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and Nickelodeon Movies, remake of 1968 United Artists film)
* Deuce Bigalow: European Gigolo
* The Producers (co-production with Universal Pictures)

2006

* Gridiron Gang
* The Holiday (co-production with Universal Pictures and Waverly Films)
* The Pink Panther (distribution only, produced by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer)
* The Da Vinci Code (co-production with Imagine Entertainment)
* Monster House (co-production with ImageMovers and Amblin Entertainment)
* Zoom (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios)
* RV
* Click (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios and Happy Madison Productions)
* Little Man (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios)
* Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby (co-production with Apatow Productions)
* Open Season (co-production with Sony Pictures Animation)
* Casino Royale (co-production with EON Productions and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer)
* The Grudge 2 (co-production with Ghost House Pictures)
* Rocky Balboa (co-production with Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and Revolution Studios)
* The Benchwarmers (co-production with Revolution Studios and Happy Madison)
* All the King's Men (remake of 1949 film)

2007

* Ghost Rider (co-production with Crystal Sky and Marvel Comics)
* Reign Over Me (co-production with Relativity Media, Madison 23, and Sunlight Productions)
* Spider-Man 3 (co-production with Marvel Comics)
* Surf's Up (co-production with Sony Pictures Animation)
* Are We Done Yet? (distribution, produced by Revolution Studios and RKO Pictures)
* The Messengers (co-production with Screen Gems and Ghost House Productions
* Superbad (co-production with Apatow Productions)
* 30 Days of Night
* Saawariya (co-production with SLB Films)
* Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story (co-production with Apatow Productions)
* The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep (co-production with Walden Media, Revolution Studios, Ecosse Films, and Beacon Pictures)

2008

* Made of Honor
* The Other Boleyn Girl (co-production with Focus Features and BBC Films)
* 21
* You Don't Mess with the Zohan (co-production with Happy Madison Productions)
* Hancock
* Step Brothers (co-production with Apatow Productions, Relativity Media, and Gary Sanchez Productions)
* Pineapple Express (co-production with Apatow Productions)
* The House Bunny
* Lakeview Terrace
* Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist
* Quantum of Solace (co-production with EON Productions and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer)

2009

* Paul Blart: Mall Cop (Co-Produced by Happy Madison Productions)
* The Pink Panther 2 (co-production with Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer)
* The International
* Angels & Demons (co-production with Imagine Entertainment)
* The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3 (co-production with Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Relativity Media)
* Terminator Salvation (internationally; distributed by Warner Bros. domestically)
* The Damned United (co-production with BBC Films)
* Year One (co-production with Apatow Productions)
* The Ugly Truth (co-production with Lakeshore Entertainment and Relativity Media)
* Funny People (co-production with Universal Pictures, Happy Madison Productions and Apatow Productions)
* Julie & Julia
* Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs (co-production with Sony Pictures Animation and Sony Pictures Imageworks)
* Zombieland (co-production with Relativity Media)
* Michael Jackson's This Is It
* 2012 (co-production with Centropolis Entertainment)
* Did You Hear About the Morgans? (co-production with Relativity Media and Castle Rock Entertainment)



It should be noted that many of their Oscar hits are movies that they funded but were primarily produced by outside production companies/ independent. (I use that term loosely as independent means $2M-$20M budget). Low risk means less studio involvement.

Spider-Man is considered their most lucrative franchise to date.

Business-wise, they have made all the right moves, but they have released a lot of stinkers which we in turn have watched, making them money and allowing them to release more stinkers.

[Nathan]

That and you can´t make a character say ten jokes while throwing a punch when it´s actual motion and not a still comics page.

And yet the cartoons, which are in motion, manage just fine. And no need to always exaggerate. No one expects him to make quip after quip without drawing breath. But somehow that's that's exactly what it means when some of us demand more quips. :whatever:

[VenomVsSpidey]

Do you honestly think you with your logical approach, are in the majority?

there are more people who are against the franchise being rebooted than for it. so, yea, maybe not in the fanboy world, but in general? yerp.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Oh for sure.

I just find it funny that I guarantee a lot, if not most of the people in this thread don't even know about the state the comics are in at the moment.

IE They are Raimi fans, not Spidey fans.

to quote someone's avatar : till spidey & MJ are back together again, make mind DC.

and thanks for not telling me that I'm no fan of the webslinger :cwink::dry:

[Wolvieboy17]

I think its more than quips, its his whole personality. Tobey was shy and wimpy for the whole films, as parker and spidey. He just needs a few more comedic elements to his personality. He doesn't need to be a joke machine, but more comedy in the dialogue would bring him more in line with the comic counterpart.

Something else i'd love to see, is Spidey's inner monologue. So much of the comic is Spidey swinging through the city and thinking about everything he needs to do. I think that could actually work quite well on screen.

[Reikowolf]

He can still do mundane things as Spider-Man.

I'm talking about his actual personality. He is more confident, being Spidey is a release from the life of Peter Parker.

Doesn't mean he acts like Iron Man or Captain America. He still retains the Parker personality, but it's amplified. As Parker he wouldn't dare crack wise to a bully or whatever. But as Spidey he has the confidence to take the piss out of his enemies. That's how I've always liked my Spidey.

It sounds like you want Clark Kent, not Peter Parker.

But, as you stated, that is your Spidey, and you're entitled to your opinion of the character.

I've seen many instances where Peter has stuck up for himself. He is a character that has grown over the years. Even in the Lee/Ditko run. It wasn't like Peter tried to hide his powers using a nerd facade. There were several times where he has shown great confidence and resolve as both Peter and Spider-Man.

[BlackLantern]

there are more people who are against the franchise being rebooted than for it. so, yea, maybe not in the fanboy world, but in general? yerp.

the general movie goer doesn't give a **** who is directing or writing...they just want their Spider-Man

Id say outside of the fan community, most people are indifferent

[ultimatefan]

And yet the cartoons, which are in motion, manage just fine. And no need to always exaggerate. No one expects him to make quip after quip without drawing breath. But somehow that's that's exactly what it means when some of us demand more quips. :whatever:

The cartoons are episodic, they can show Spidey just fighting the enemy of the week without much higher stakes. A movie is a bigger event and needs higher emotional stakes for the character, even though by part three the saving MJ thing became way too overused.

[Nathan]

The cartoons are episodic, they can show Spidey just fighting the enemy of the week without much higher stakes. A movie is a bigger event and needs higher emotional stakes for the character, even though by part three the saving MJ thing became way too overused.

He doesn't just wisecrack because he's carefree and just enjoys pissing his opponent off. Using wisecracks is also his way of provoking the opponent into doing something stupid. And it worked like a charm so far. Heck, he also uses it to lure enemies away from others.

Using wisecracks against his opponents is one of his best tactics, because it makes them act careless when they are filled with rage.

[Baggers]

*Peter Parker: Christopher Gorham, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Aaron Johnson,
*Mary Jane Watson: Mary Elizabeth Winstead
*J.J. Jameson: J. K. Simmons (he was spot on in the three Spider-man films, they need to keep him)
*I'm still brainstorming on actors/actress to play Norman Osborn and Gwen Stacy...

Defo have Gwen Stacy in it from the begining, have her as the main love interest of Peter, with Mary Jane in the background (if they wanted they could do a funny nod to her first appearance, where Peter doesn't see her till the very end of the film, and maybe from there create a love triangle). I would down play the Green Goblin in the first movie (have him as a big bad for the sequel: have him kill Gwen Stacy off in the sequel in the famous bridge scene!!) but show the decent into maddness of Norman Osborn in the first film with a cliffhanger style ending. Have villians like: Chameleon, Electro, or Vulture as the big bad in the first one. Defo Webshooters, don't want any organic webbing crap, I understood why Sam Rami did in his movies but I want Webshooters, show off Peter's amazing mind and science roots!! Spider-sense needs to make an appearance!! and be a main plot device and not underused like the past Spider-man films!! The Spider-man suit doesn't need to be changed what's so ever, it's great the way it is :)

[HughJackFan420]

JK Simmons is not gonna return but yeah he did make a good JJJ. as far as Joseph Gordon Levitt i would rather see him take the Joker role for the next Batman installment. he looks similar too Ledger. some will probably hate the idea but i was thinking Shia Lebeouff for Peter Parker. i mean he's got that young look and he's played the dorky high school kid already so why not?

[ultimatefan]

He doesn't just wisecrack because he's carefree and just enjoys pissing his opponent off. Using wisecracks is also his way of provoking the opponent into doing something stupid. And it worked like a charm so far. Heck, he also uses it to lure enemies away from others.

Using wisecracks against his opponents is one of his best tactics, because it makes them act careless when they are filled with rage.

Again, in a situation where someone he loves like Aunt May and MJ´s lives are at stake, it may not feel right for him to make jokes, his heart isn´t in it. Even in the cartoons he gets more serious in those situations.

[CrypticOne]

Personally, what they need to do is pull an unknown actor to play Peter Parker/Spidey. Or I wouldn't mind the dude that's playing Kick-Ass. But, I don't know, he's already playing a 'superhero.'

[Man of Tomorrow]

All the major movie websites weigh in on the issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rWxCcoiBCI

[BlackLantern]

Personally, what they need to do is pull an unknown actor to play Peter Parker/Spidey. Or I wouldn't mind the dude that's playing Kick-Ass. But, I don't know, he's already playing a 'superhero.'

exactly....let the audience connect with the character...not see it as (actor name) is playing Spider-Man

[Chris Wallace]

I'm not even willing to speculate on casting right now.

[Parker Wayne]

I would down play the Green Goblin in the first movie (have him as a big bad for the sequel: have him kill Gwen Stacy off in the sequel in the famous bridge scene!!)

Not only am I against killing off Gwen Stacy, but I am also against killing her off the same way in the comics. I don't care how much their relationship in the films will build, it will feel forced and predictable. I don't want it to happen because it happened in the comics. And if Gwen Stacy was going to be killed, I'd rather not have it the same way it happened in the comics. Be original.

I know its tough, but a director has to be original while keeping the characterizations and feel of the comics.

[Legion]

So how long before we see a decent Venom on screen? 2016? 2018?

[Reikowolf]

So how long before we see a decent Venom on screen? 2016? 2018?

If your version of a decent Venom = Spectacular Spider-Man Animated

probably

If you're thinking Mark Bagley/ Todd McFarlane

probably not until an R rated spin-off is made

[Parker Wayne]

So how long before we see a decent Venom on screen? 2016? 2018?

I hope sometime before 2020. Honestly, the only reason I saw Spiderman 3 in theaters was because I saw a commercial of bloody Spiderman with Venom at the construction site in the commercial.

[FaT_tONle]

Not only am I against killing off Gwen Stacy, but I am also against killing her off the same way in the comics. I don't care how much their relationship in the films will build, it will feel forced and predictable. I don't want it to happen because it happened in the comics. And if Gwen Stacy was going to be killed, I'd rather not have it the same way it happened in the comics. Be original.

I know its tough, but a director has to be original while keeping the characterizations and feel of the comics.

Agreed. They should kill off another love interest.

[conan69]

"have him kill Gwen Stacy off in the sequel in the famous bridge scene!!"

Yea because we havent seen a Spiderman GG showdown on a bridge in a Spiderman movie before. :rolleyes:

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea killing off the damsel in distress is predictable and happens all the time...

Oh wait!

[kedrell]

If your version of a decent Venom = Spectacular Spider-Man Animated

probably

If you're thinking Mark Bagley/ Todd McFarlane

probably not until an R rated spin-off is made

To me, that is the definitive Venom. It can be done w/o going r-rated. He's no harsher than Ledger's Joker and TDK was PG-13.

[Ace of Knaves]

To be fair though, Venom eats people or eviscerates them.

[conan69]

I watched Spiderman 1 & 2 back to back last night after not seeing them for awhile.

And both still hold up very well. Spiderman isnt Batman.

The films have a good blend of humor, lightheartedness, mixed with serious drama, like dealing with Uncle Bens death.

What doesnt work, for me, was very little. I enjoyed them both ALOT.

For those complaining about Dunst as Mary Jane, Id Love to see what some of you guys G/Fs look like. I thought she looked pretty great in the first film.

[Artistsean]

They could do (Even though the Hulk reboot did this and it didn't seem to help) (but it did work for the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon show)
They could start the movie with Peter already having his powers, already Spider-Man. The origin was already established perfectly in the first film, they could still have him be in high school, even all started over. Just don't retell the origin.

[BlackLantern]

They could do (Even though the Hulk reboot did this and it didn't seem to help) (but it did work for the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon show)
They could start the movie with Peter already having his powers, already Spider-Man. The origin was already established perfectly in the first film, they could still have him be in high school, even all started over. Just don't retell the origin.

that works...do what TIH did and cover the origin in the opening credits

[Ace of Knaves]

I watched Spiderman 1 & 2 back to back last night after not seeing them for awhile.

And both still hold up very well. Spiderman isnt Batman.

The films have a good blend of humor, lightheartedness, mixed with serious drama, like dealing with Uncle Bens death.

What doesnt work, for me, was very little. I enjoyed them both ALOT.

For those complaining about Dunst as Mary Jane, Id Love to see what some of you guys G/Fs look like. I thought she looked pretty great in the first film.

What about SM3 then? With the ridiculous dance routines and over the top cheesy melodrama *cough*Harrys butler*cough*

And yea MJ was hot in the first one. But have you seen Dunst recently? Not MJ material.

If you wanna see what my GF looks like go look in the photo album thread :D

[Wolvieboy17]

Sure SM 3 was bad, but I was kinda hoping for Raimi to use 4 to redeem himself, without any studio interference...

[BlackLantern]

Sure SM 3 was bad, but I was kinda hoping for Raimi to use 4 to redeem himself, without any studio interference...

its a constant power struggle...the studio cuts the checks and wants to recoup its investment, the director has "a vision"....and neither side is in the right all the time

I think Sony made the right call here

[Ace of Knaves]

And was not going to happen. So I'm glad SM4 never happened.

[conan69]

"What about SM3 then?"

SM3 sucks ok?

SO what. You dont throw away 10 years of continuity because of 1 bad film. Got that? Because Im getting tired of repeating it.

Look at Star Trek and Bond. Both had stinkers, and kept moving forward - not backwards!

[Oscorp]

I think it's stupid to speculate whether this reboot will suck or not. How much do we know about the project yet? Almost nothing. It can turn out rubbish, it can turn out great.

That's your opinion, man. Not everybody's. Certainly not mine. Raimi's Spidey still the best!

LOL, we've only got Raimi's version on film so far

[Wolvieboy17]

Regardless of what people think about Raimi, I still don't think Sony are doing the right thing... They've shown again and again they just want marketability and maximum prophet. They have no interest in portraying an authentic spidey film, or staying true to the comics or anything... Playing it smart would have been casting out feelers for any directors who had a vision, or ideas for a new spidey film, instead of taking the creative control themselves and then trying to find a director or actor to suit their vision.

Studios shouldnt make creative decisions.

[Ace of Knaves]

"What about SM3 then?"

SM3 sucks ok?

SO what. You dont throw away 10 years of continuity because of 1 bad film. Got that? Because Im getting tired of repeating it.

Look at Star Trek and Bond. Both had stinkers, and kept moving forward - not backwards!

Yea but SM4 was gonna be more like SM3 than SM2. That much is OBVIOUS.

Didn't you follow what was going on? Studio interference, script re-writes, Raimi unhappy with the studio. Studio unhappy with Raimi. All that equals fail.

Got that? Because I really don't wanna repeat it again.

[Wolvieboy17]

^^Nothing was obvious, the film was still at such early stages.

[Ace of Knaves]

It was obvious. It was OBVIOUS Raimi was not going to make the film he wanted. It really is as simple as that.

[ultimatefan]

Which is why he left. He couldn´t reach an agreement with the studio.

[Wolvieboy17]

But thats the flaw in your logic Ace... If Raimi's only condition of staying was that he could make the film he wanted, then technically SM4 WOULD have been the film he wanted... If we're going to hypothesise over what SM 4 would have been like, then we have to assume that hypothetically either raimi or the studio would have given in.

[conan69]

"Didn't you follow what was going on? Studio interference, script re-writes, Raimi unhappy with the studio. Studio unhappy with Raimi. All that equals fail."

Theres alot of flaws in Aces logic.

I dont see how the above issue, which is THE real problem, will be solved with another director. It'll prob be worse.

We've seen this time and time again. Cyclops dying, Jessica Alba as Sue Storm... the list goes on and on man. Studio exes answer to stock holders, not you and I. They do not understand they properties they own. So when the next director says I want to do a great Lizard story and the braindead idiots at Sony say no... we cant see the actors face and cant market he character.... why dont we have Kirsten Stewart be the Gobliness....we'll just have to reboot again right?

NOTHING is obvious except that Sony wants to control the creative process, and they have no idea what theyre doing.

Thats what you hire a creative team for. Hire someone with vision, get the hell out of their way and let them do what you hired them to do.

[Ace of Knaves]

But thats the flaw in your logic Ace... If Raimi's only condition of staying was that he could make the film he wanted, then technically SM4 WOULD have been the film he wanted... If we're going to hypothesise over what SM 4 would have been like, then we have to assume that hypothetically either raimi or the studio would have given in.

"Didn't you follow what was going on? Studio interference, script re-writes, Raimi unhappy with the studio. Studio unhappy with Raimi. All that equals fail."

Theres alot of flaws in Aces logic.

I dont see how the above issue, which is a real problem, will be solved with another director. It'll prob be worse.

It MIGHT not be.

And listen, let's not pretend Raimi was perfect here.

HE was the one who decided to make Sandman Uncle Bens killer. HE was the one who decided to throw a ****ing stupid dance number in there.

And some of the ideas he came up with for SM4, IMO were ****ing lame.

Doesn't mean I don't appreciate what he did in SM1 and 2 though.

At the end of the day, SM4 was gonna end up mediocre. You guys seem to want to accept mediocrity just because it would be a new Raimi Spider-Man film.

I'm not willing to accept that. Personally, I'd rather NO Spider-Man film than another SM3.

[Wolvieboy17]

Btw Conan, totally agree with your sig bout Sony and Fox.

[spider-neil]

I'd like the origin done like the watchmen opening credits

* gets bitten

* climbs wall/bends steel

* creates web shooters

* burgay walks past him - kills uncle ben - spidey takes him down - burglar's face revealed

* wrestling match with crusher hogan

* fight with shocker/rhino/ i.e. throw away villians

[BlackLantern]

But thats the flaw in your logic Ace... If Raimi's only condition of staying was that he could make the film he wanted, then technically SM4 WOULD have been the film he wanted... If we're going to hypothesise over what SM 4 would have been like, then we have to assume that hypothetically either raimi or the studio would have given in.

and what's to say it would have been better than SM3??...Hollywood operates on the "what have you done for me lately??" policy....and SM3 was extremely underwhelming

[Wolvieboy17]

At the end of the day, SM4 was gonna end up mediocre. You guys seem to want to accept mediocrity just because it would be a new Raimi Spider-Man film.

No, what I don't accept is you quoting heresay and personal opinion as fact. And i'm sick of the mediocre **** we've had to put up with, but do you honestly think thats going to change now with this reboot? Has the reboot been instigated with the plan to reinvigorate the series BECAUSE of Raimi's failings, or is it simply an effort to keep the franchise going to make some money for the studio, and stop the rights from going back to marvel? Get of your high horse mate, you're just another fan boy like the rest of us. All we can do is speculate, but at least most of us will admit that, and not try and elevate our opinions to something factual.

[Kanon]

That's what I'm saying, we went from studio interference, to totally owned by the studio...

[Ace of Knaves]

No, what I don't accept is you quoting heresay and personal opinion as fact. And i'm sick of the mediocre **** we've had to put up with, but do you honestly think thats going to change now with this reboot? Has the reboot been instigated with the plan to reinvigorate the series BECAUSE of Raimi's failings, or is it simply an effort to keep the franchise going to make some money for the studio, and stop the rights from going back to marvel? Get of your high horse mate, you're just another fan boy like the rest of us. All we can do is speculate, but at least most of us will admit that, and not try and elevate our opinions to something factual.

It makes me laugh when people say this.

Wouldn't of just carrying on with SM4 done exactly the same thing?

Err... yea, it would have.

[Dangerous]

Also I hope Stan makes it to see the new film in 2012.

He turned 87 last month... I wonder if Ditko saw the Noughties films....

[Kanon]

HE was the one who decided to make Sandman Uncle Bens killer. HE was the one who decided to throw a ****ing stupid dance number in there.
And those are not even close to forcing Venom into the movie, or creating the Vulturess... The big problem is Sony. Having them on full control is not my idea of hope...

[Wolvieboy17]

I'm not a Raimi fanboy Ace, so don't try and pigeon hole me as one. I'm against Sony in any case, but go ahead, call me old fashioned for having more faith in the creative process when spawned by a director (an actual creative mind).

I don't even know what you're trying to argue anymore Ace. If you're so against Raimi, especially citing SM 3, how could you suggest that this reboot could be any better, considering the circumstance? Do you have faith in any of Sony's creative input?

[Ace of Knaves]

And those are not even close to forcing Venom into the movie, or creating the Vulturess... The big problem is Sony. Having them on full control is not my idea of hope...

Yea they are worse than Venom.

Venom could of worked if effort was put into the character. Making Sandman Uncle Bens killer and having cheesy, ridiculous ****ing jazz dance numbers couldn't work.

[biggles2000uk]

its a reboot, no one metioned restart. It is proabablt likely that they will have spiderman already established but just in high school, just like the Spectacular Spiderman series.

Its obvious why they are thinking of doing this, and to be honest if i was a Sony exec i would think the same.

Sony OWN the rights to spiderman and its main characters and can do anything they like with him in film.

However, the current films have left them with very little manouver in terms of spin offs and progression.

How can you do a Venom film when he's been killed off

You have Peter who is getting older and hooked up with MJ.

A new run, will open new doors and better yet, get more money for Sony.

Personally i think its a very brave move. We've had Raimi's vision and a more or less complete trillogy.

There is absolutly no harm in setting up a new run, just like James Bond or even Batman and seeing a new set of adventure not tied down to previous films continuity.

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm not a Raimi fanboy Ace, so don't try and pigeon hole me as one. I'm against Sony in any case, but go ahead, call me old fashioned for having more faith in the creative process when spawned by a director (an actual creative mind).

I don't even know what you're trying to argue anymore Ace. If you're so against Raimi, especially citing SM 3, how could you suggest that this reboot could be any better, considering the circumstance? Do you have faith in any of Sony's creative input?

No I have faith in the POSSIBILITY they will get a new director on board who doesn't want to make ALL the villains personally connected to Peter. Or include absolutely ridiculous dance numbers for no reason.

Listen, I don't hate Raimi, I love SM1 and SM2. But he is not PERFECT. I brought up the Sandman and dance number thing to prove that.

I would just rather a fresh start and the POSSIBILITY of a Spider-Man film being great again.

[Kanon]

Yea they are worse than Venom.

Venom could of worked if effort was put into the character. Making Sandman Uncle Bens killer and having cheesy, ridiculous ****ing jazz dance numbers couldn't work.
Even if Venom could work (a lot of things could work, but forcing a character into the plot to sell toys is a big no-no), there is no way of defending the Vulturess... That's beyond anything bad that has been seen in modern comic book movies. Seriously, I can't believe it.

[Wolvieboy17]

Venom could of worked if effort was put into the character. Making Sandman Uncle Bens killer and having cheesy, ridiculous ****ing jazz dance numbers couldn't work.

Agreed about the dance numbers, they were effing cheesy, but venom would never have worked. Raimi didn't like the character, and he shouldn't have been coerced into using it. If Sandman was the principle villain, it would have had a much tighter focus, and worked alot better as a tool for developing Peter Parker as well. But ah well...

As said before, I'm not a Raimi fanboy, I don't really have a particular attatchement to him as the sole Spidey director, but I do have a respect for the proper creative process, and when that gets f**ked with, its never good, and for Sony to do that, for me, undermines the whole process of trying to make a good film.

[kguillou]

I just personally wish we could see Peter grow older and not younger. There seems to be this popular belief that an older Spiderman doesnt work which i think is baloney. I would be all for a reboot that has Peter a little older and wiser and in a new chapter of his life. This "he has to be young" thing is so "been there done that." In my opinion at least.

[Wolvieboy17]

No I have faith in the POSSIBILITY they will get a new director on board who doesn't want to make ALL the villains personally connected to Peter. Or include absolutely ridiculous dance numbers for no reason.

Listen, I don't hate Raimi, I love SM1 and SM2. But he is not PERFECT. I brought up the Sandman and dance number thing to prove that.

I would just rather a fresh start and the POSSIBILITY of a Spider-Man film being great again.

Well you have more faith than me, and i wouldn't be surprised if you ended up being the one getting sucked into mediocrity... Personally, I won't start getting optimistic about Spidey until it's either back with Marvel where it belongs, or Sony starts showing signs that they're willing to let someone with a decent vision have full creative control.

[conan69]

"That's what I'm saying, we went from studio interference, to totally owned by the studio..."

Correct.

[Frodo]

Yea but SM4 was gonna be more like SM3 than SM2. That much is OBVIOUS.

Didn't you follow what was going on? Studio interference, script re-writes, Raimi unhappy with the studio. Studio unhappy with Raimi. All that equals fail.

Got that? Because I really don't wanna repeat it again.

I agree. This whole situation is alot like what happened with Batman francise after Batman and Robin. Yes , I know there are fans who won't want to hear that, but as someone who remembers what happened and the aftermath it's very similar. While Spiderman 3 wasn't an embarresment like B&R , both films ran the course of their versions of the stories and left the francises with very few viable options in terms of villans and both showed signs of being tired.

Now believe it or not, there was a huge fan divide about whether to continue the Burton/Schumacer version for several years until a reboot was certain. It wasn't that different from what people are saying here in 2010. Some thought a reboot a few years after B&R was too soon , and that they shouldn't end the francise just because B&R was bad. There were heated arguements among the fanboys. Even when rumors arouse about a Year One stlye reboot you had many fans disapproved. Of course we know how it turned out.

I can understand the dissapointment that fans feel about a reboot . But ultimately I think Raimi did a good job with the three films he made. No one is gonna forget about them and they'll always be classics . Hell, if anything, the first two will set the bar for the next films to match.

[Wolvieboy17]

Hey Conan, totally OT, but I have to ask, are you as pessimistic as I am about the new Conan film?

[BlackLantern]

I hated that Raimi felt the need to make his villains "redeemable"....whatever happened to Norman Osborn just being an ******* and Eddie Brock being a piece of **** human being??

[Wolvieboy17]

I agree. This whole situation is alot like what happened with Batman francise after Batman and Robin. Yes , I know there are fans who won't want to hear that, but as someone who remembers what happened and the aftermath it's very similar. While Spiderman 3 wasn't an embarresment like B&R , both films ran the course of their versions of the stories and left the francises with very few viable options in terms of villans and both showed signs of being tired.

Now believe it or not, there was a huge fan divide about whether to continue the Burton/Schumacer version for several years until a reboot was certain. It wasn't that different from what people are saying here in 2010. Some thought a reboot a few years after B&R was too soon , and that they shouldn't end the francise just because B&R was bad. There were heated arguements among the fanboys. Even when rumors arouse about a Year One stlye reboot you had many fans disapproved. Of course we know how it turned out.

I can understand the dissapointment that fans feel about a reboot . But ultimately I think Raimi did a good job with the three films he made. No one is gonna forget about them and they'll always be classics . Hell, if anything, the first two will set the bar for the next films to match.

You raise interesting points, but the difference here is that Batman sat there doing nothing for ages, and it wasn't until Nolan came along with the inspiration and ideas of how to reboot the whole series that gave it its second wind. Spidey hasn't had any of that creative wind. It's just the studio trying to clutch onto their beloved franchise, and rebooting is their most viable option. If you look at the list of their potential directors, they couldnt be more different from each other. There is no vision for this film, no plan. They just want to get whatever they can on paper as soon as possible.

[Smegger56]

I suggest you watch BB again. overrated. can't make out any of the fight and the third act is RUBBISH. there's not enough time to go into the flaws of wolverine 2, sorry I mean X2.

For you, it's overrated. For me, and many, it's a perfect example of how to make a faithful comic book adaptation. And then, TDK perects it.

Yes, BB has issues with the fighting. Yes, the third act is a bit rushed. But despite these flaws, it's superior to all 3 spidey film, IMO.

[Wolvieboy17]

whatever happened to Norman Osborn just being an ******* and Eddie Brock being a piece of **** human being??

But they were... Osborn wasn't redeemable in SM 1, and there certainly wasn't anything redeemable about Brock in SM 3 (In fact, there was nothing redeemable about that whole movie lol)

[Kanon]

I hated that Raimi felt the need to make his villains "redeemable"....whatever happened to Norman Osborn just being an ******* and Eddie Brock being a piece of **** human being??
You thought Brock was redeemable in the film? :wow:

[conan69]

"Hey Conan, totally OT, but I have to ask, are you as pessimistic as I am about the new Conan film?"

I havent heard any new news on Conan. Nothing within the past 2 or so years anyway.

But no I dont have much hope, unless a great creative team comes aboard, who understands and cares about the character, and IS GIVEN CREATIVE FREEDOM.

I actually think Conan might wok better in a series. HBO, Showtime, Starz.... 24 or whatever episodes adapting Howards material.

With the likes of Rome and Spartacus, the technology is there to do it.




"Venom could of worked if effort was put into the character"

No Venom could have worked if he had a film to work within, time to develop the character and such. He wasnt because... get this... SONY FORCED Raimi to use Venom.

If the studio had backed off - let Raimi do his story - they could have parted ways afterwards. Wed have a much different SM3, a obvious villian for SM4, a entire film to work on the character giving Venom fans the version they wanted - which a different director no less.

Venom isnt the only problem with SM3 but he is THE big problem with the movie.Night Flier, which again was stupid again, you have to go back to the studio insistance that we see the actors faces.

Does Sony even understand that this is a COMIC BOOK Movie???

Raimi made alot of mistakes with SM3 - but I understand why he made them. How well would anyone perform under the absurd guidelines Sony was forcing on the creative team. Constantly beating someone down isnt going to bing out the best in anyone. I would like to see the script for SM3 when Vulture and Sandman were the villians before it was changed.

Again studio interference is the problem.


B&R was on cable yesterday. IMHO SM3, with all its faults, doesnt come anywhere close to the abortion that B&R was. Very few films do. Its seriously one of the worst movies ever made.

[Wolvieboy17]

Well its being directed by Marcus Nispel, and its looks like they're just remaking the Arnie films, rather than the orginally intended faithful to Robert E. Howard film.
I'd love a Mo-cap Beowulf style Conan film, but alas, it ain't to be.

[BlackLantern]

But they were... Osborn wasn't redeemable in SM 1, and there certainly wasn't anything redeemable about Brock in SM 3 (In fact, there was nothing redeemable about that whole movie lol)

at the end, where he asks Peter to not tell Harry....not redemption, but showing that Norman does care for someone other than himself

just give me a pissed off villain who wants to eat babies and kill Santa

[BlackLantern]

You thought Brock was redeemable in the film? :wow:

not redeemable, but definitely not a villain....just an angry guy....Im not a Venom fan anyway, so I really don't care what they do with him

[ultimatefan]

I agree. This whole situation is alot like what happened with Batman francise after Batman and Robin. Yes , I know there are fans who won't want to hear that, but as someone who remembers what happened and the aftermath it's very similar. While Spiderman 3 wasn't an embarresment like B&R , both films ran the course of their versions of the stories and left the francises with very few viable options in terms of villans and both showed signs of being tired.

Now believe it or not, there was a huge fan divide about whether to continue the Burton/Schumacer version for several years until a reboot was certain. It wasn't that different from what people are saying here in 2010. Some thought a reboot a few years after B&R was too soon , and that they shouldn't end the francise just because B&R was bad. There were heated arguements among the fanboys. Even when rumors arouse about a Year One stlye reboot you had many fans disapproved. Of course we know how it turned out.

I can understand the dissapointment that fans feel about a reboot . But ultimately I think Raimi did a good job with the three films he made. No one is gonna forget about them and they'll always be classics . Hell, if anything, the first two will set the bar for the next films to match.

These are valid doubts. People forget, but BB didn´t have a great opening, some people were even calling it the new Hulk. It was only in the second weekend that word of mouth really started to boost the movie up. And that reboot came eight years after B&R, which was both a critical and commercial disappointment. SM3 had mixed reviews and fan response, but was a huge BO hit. I enjoyed The Incredible Hulk but it didn´t get to resurrect the franchise. The reboot game is trickier than it looks.

[BlackLantern]

These are valid doubts. People forget, but BB didn´t have a great opening, some people were even calling it the new Hulk. It was only in the second weekend that word of mouth really started to boost the movie up. And that reboot came eight years after B&R, which was both a critical and commercial disappointment. SM3 had mixed reviews and fan response, but was a huge BO hit. I enjoyed The Incredible Hulk but it didn´t get to resurrect the franchise. The reboot game is trickier than it looks.

all 3 films were and here we are, which leads me to believe there is more at work here...what I think happened was that Raimi essentially had free reign on 1 and 2 and had to tolerate the studios notes on 3....and again...a directors vision and what the studio wants is a constant back and forth...but one side isn't always right

[Dark Helmet]

If Michael Bay directs instead of Web shooting out of Spidey's hands it will be explosions

[Kanon]

If Michael Bay directs instead of Web shooting out of Spidey's hands it will be explosions
And Aunt May is gonna be hot :awesome:

[Dark Helmet]

And Aunt May is gonna be hot :awesome:

Megan Fox as Aunt May

:hehe:

I wonder what a line of fire coming out of Spidey's hand & sticking to a wall & buildings making it burn would look like it :hehe:

[BlackLantern]

any action director, the minute this news dropped, was probably having their agent call Sony or called themselves....I remember watching AOTS yesterday, and they had Drew from Hitfix on talking about this and they ran off a list of directors who said they'd love to do Spider-Man ( and really...who wouldn't) Scorcese would probably give it a go if Sony wanted him

[Dark Helmet]

any action director, the minute this news dropped, was probably having their agent call Sony or called themselves....I remember watching AOTS yesterday, and they had Drew from Hitfix on talking about this and they ran off a list of directors who said they'd love to do Spider-Man ( and really...who wouldn't) Scorcese would probably give it a go if Sony wanted him

If Michael Bay directed

Shia will be Peter & Josh Duhamel will get in there somewhere

If Steven Speilberg directed

Shia will be Peter & Harrison Ford will be Uncle Ben

If James Cameron directed

Sam Worthington would be Peter & Zoe would be Mary Jane & Ripley would be Aunt May

If Christopher Nolan directed

Christian Bale would be Peter
Gary Oldman would be Norman
Sam Worthington would be Harry

[BlackLantern]

If Michael Bay directed

Shia will be Peter & Josh Duhamel will get in there somewhere

If Steven Speilberg directed

Shia will be Peter & Harrison Ford will be Uncle Ben

If James Cameron directed

Sam Worthington would be Peter & Zoe would be Mary Jane & Ripley would be Aunt May

If Christopher Nolan directed

Christian Bale would be Peter
Gary Oldman would be Norman
Sam Worthington would be Harry

haha....my point is that people are overreacting when this director or that director says they'd love to do Spider-Man....it's ****ing Spider-Man of course any director would love a shot at it....what are they expecting...someone to just go "nah, not my thing"

[night0205]

...I have a feeling I'm going to get tired of the same argument over and over and over. We've all heard the story. All the different details, all the different "rumors" have been posted. The reality is, Sam Raimi made his version of Spider-man, and for the most part with success. Now a new director is going to step in and reboot it. Face it, deal with it, stop looking at the past like it could happen, and pray that the new Director improves on what's already been made. Will they? Time will tell. But I'm telling you, Spider-man is a much more profitable franchise then anything that has been rebooted before. Sony is not taking rebooting lightly, unless they truly are idiots, which we will see in the future. I'm going to stop coming to this part of the board until some new actual information hits. ;)

[Heretic]

I hope that if they return the series to high school, then they go young enough so that the same actors can stick around longer than three films. i really dont want a reboot every ten years...Id prefer they stick to high school for awhile with the Gwen Stacy story...slowly working towards Green Goblin and her death, maybe in the third film. Then start college and have a few films there with peter's financial troubles, Mary Jane getting more involved, Harry turning...let the story breathe some...have the characters be around awhile before turning evil.

[Anita18]

You raise interesting points, but the difference here is that Batman sat there doing nothing for ages, and it wasn't until Nolan came along with the inspiration and ideas of how to reboot the whole series that gave it its second wind. Spidey hasn't had any of that creative wind. It's just the studio trying to clutch onto their beloved franchise, and rebooting is their most viable option. If you look at the list of their potential directors, they couldnt be more different from each other. There is no vision for this film, no plan. They just want to get whatever they can on paper as soon as possible.
Yeah, I think that's the main difference. WB didn't push forward with any sort of vision for Batman after B&R, at least not to the point where they put out official press releases over what they were going to do next. (There were supposedly rumblings of an Aronofsky Year One, weren't there? Frank Miller script that was rather WTF? :funny: ) It was Nolan who heard they were looking for a new take, pitched his ideas, brought in Goyer, and the rest is history.

Sony already has a script, so the story is pretty much set in stone, even if we don't know if it's good or bad. That tells me they already know what they want to do with it.

[Frodo]

You raise interesting points, but the difference here is that Batman sat there doing nothing for ages, and it wasn't until Nolan came along with the inspiration and ideas of how to reboot the whole series that gave it its second wind. Spidey hasn't had any of that creative wind. It's just the studio trying to clutch onto their beloved franchise, and rebooting is their most viable option. If you look at the list of their potential directors, they couldnt be more different from each other. There is no vision for this film, no plan. They just want to get whatever they can on paper as soon as possible.

Well Spiderman 3 was 3 years ago . WB wanted a Batman 5 in 2000 regardless of Batman and Robin . It lay dormat due to different scripts which continued the francise and then to reboot scripts . That's why it took so long. It'd didn't get off the ground until 2004, but for those years it was dormat there was a debate in the fan community about a sequel or restart.

In Sony case it's clear they've been through several rewrites but both sides reached loggerheads. Spiderman 5 and 6 were written as Reboots while Spiderman 4 was being written so it wasn't like Sony wasn't considering the opition of a reboot before Raimi walked. They were already eyeing a restart . Part 4 would have been a " send off ".

As for creativity we haven't read the Vanderbilt scripts. His scripts may have been better then the Spiderman 4 scripts. Time will have to tell I suppose . As for directors , WB considered a wide rnage of directors from Fincher, to
Aronofsky, to even Schumacer again . They were also pretty varied from each other and it wasn't clear what the film would be like.

You have to remember at the time Nolan had to prove himself. It wasn't a given. He had support ,but nobody knew if he'd be able to pull it off and TDK was years away. Despite it being a disaster, Batman and Robin made 200 million at the time so it's not like WB felt automatically that a reboot was needed much like with Spiderman 3. It was after a few years like with Spiderman 3 that they felt it was the best course.

The situations are more alike then one would think. The only difference really is time . Batman was 8 years from part 4 and Spiderman is 5 years from part
3.

[Spider-Kid]

It'll be like the beginning of the Hype boards all over again! :atp:


Totally.

:awesome:

[BenReilly]

Yeah, I think that's the main difference. WB didn't push forward with any sort of vision for Batman after B&R, at least not to the point where they put out official press releases over what they were going to do next. (There were supposedly rumblings of an Aronofsky Year One, weren't there? Frank Miller script that was rather WTF? :funny: ) It was Nolan who heard they were looking for a new take, pitched his ideas, brought in Goyer, and the rest is history.

Sony already has a script, so the story is pretty much set in stone, even if we don't know if it's good or bad. That tells me they already know what they want to do with it.

The main difference between the two is that WB has permanent ownership of the film rights to Batman and most of their DC properties. They have all the time in the world to develop their projects.

Sony on the other hand only has a license on the Spider-Man film rights. If they don't do anything with them after a certain period of time, the rights revert back to Marvel and the last thing the studio wants is to lose a billion dollar franchise, their top franchise, to the competition (especially now, considering Marvel is a fully owned subsidiary of Disney).

[topdog1]

Flushing this cast now when they're all hungry for another chance and a chance to go out truly on top pisses me off. Basically, Raimi said he learned from the errors of SM3 and deserved a chance to return to the high level of SM2. Now, this great cast is gone forever and they are taking a step backward by keeping Spider-"Man" a kid for life. There was plenty of time for a reboot in later years.

Very Sad.

[Artistsean]

Even though it bugs me, like what they did to Conan (unfair), I think Raimi, Tobey, and Dunst, will be fine. They will survive. Its still totally unfair, and sudden. Like a punch to the gut, but I think some good (or more good than bad) could come from it. Then again they could mess it up even more.

I would like this new rebooted franchise to Start with Peter already Spider-Man.
He is a young High School student, working for the Daily Bugle, and already Spider-Man, already has powers and a costume, Uncle Ben already dead.
We don't need another origin story, maybe hints or a quick recap in the opening, or maybe flash backs, but not the whole origin again.
Plus, it was already done perfectly.
They could do like the cartoon Spectacular Spider-Man has done, start it like a year or a few weeks after he became Spider-Man. The general audience already knows his origin, from the previous movie, it wouldn't need to be told again.

[Reikowolf]

I would not be surprised if Raimi was asked to direct another comic franchise in the next 5 years.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, we don't need another origin story. Your grandma knows it, your 2 year old sister knows it, George W. Bush knows it. Everybody knows it! Why do we need to see the same thing again? No matter how you spin it, it's still a kid gettinb bitten by a spider and developing his powers. Pull a B89 and have Peter be Spider-Man from the beginning of the film.

[spider-neil]

Yeah, we don't need another origin story. Your grandma knows it, your 2 year old sister knows it, George W. Bush knows it. Everybody knows it! Why do we need to see the same thing again? No matter how you spin it, it's still a kid gettinb bitten by a spider and developing his powers. Pull a B89 and have Peter be Spider-Man from the beginning of the film.

you can have it but do it in the credits or as a flashback. basically so it as fst as possible. who the heck doesn't know spider-man's origin.

origins everyone and ther sister knows

spider-man
superman
batman

[Solidus]

Yeah, we don't need another origin story. Your grandma knows it, your 2 year old sister knows it, George W. Bush knows it. Everybody knows it! Why do we need to see the same thing again? No matter how you spin it, it's still a kid gettinb bitten by a spider and developing his powers. Pull a B89 and have Peter be Spider-Man from the beginning of the film.

I disagree, people have short attention spans. But the only reason I would say do a small quick origin is if they do decide to put Mechanical web shooters in or so forth, and maybe explain that a little in detail. I'm not saying have a full out origin, but some what of one.

[NinjaCarm]

Where does all this Maguire and Raimi love come from? I liked the movies for they always felt NOT like Spider-Man.

My goodness.

[Blackman]

I love Raimi and MacGuire

but some people are complaining way to much in my opinion. And its annoying that everything that was good in the rumor SM4 script people say it was Raimi and everything bad they blame Sony.

Like they know exactly what happened :whatever:

[NinjaCarm]

I love Raimi and MacGuire

but some people are complaining way to much in my opinion. And its annoying that everything that was good in the rumor SM4 script people say it was Raimi and everything bad they blame Sony.

Like they know exactly what happened :whatever:

I acknowledge your opinion but Raimi's vision never sat well with me. That's why I'm so pumped for this reboot.

[Chris Wallace]

Look guys, most of you had the idea of Spider-Man coming to the big screen bashed so far into your heads that you were too high on Spidey to realize Spider-Man 1-3 is crap next to the other works of Spider-Man I mention. Dunst and Maguire are both terrible actors and are both inconsistent in their style of acting. Raimi's directing style is also a flop. The dance sequences in Spidey 3 and the strut in Spidey 2 and 3 were both Raimi's decisions and have no place in a spidey film. He made the Spidey films cheesy and completely undermined the presentation of most of the characters (save for Goblin (Norman) and Sandman).

I just LOVE when people state their opinion as fact.

[[A]]

Where does all this Maguire and Raimi love come from?I would ask the opposite. All of a sudden, there are tons of haters rolling down the streets like drunk lemmings..

[Sawyer]

Yeah, we don't need another origin story. Your grandma knows it, your 2 year old sister knows it, George W. Bush knows it. Everybody knows it! Why do we need to see the same thing again? No matter how you spin it, it's still a kid gettinb bitten by a spider and developing his powers. Pull a B89 and have Peter be Spider-Man from the beginning of the film.

The perfect example would be Spectacular Spider-Man. That series started with Pete already established as Spidey. No origin needed.

People need to realize that reboot doesnt necessarily mean origin.

[Blackman]

;17943549']I would ask the opposite. All of a sudden, there are tons of haters rolling down the streets like drunk lemmings..
Raimi lovers have been around

I see why the haters rolled out. You know with Raimi gone and everything

But I dont see haters or trolls really

[[A]]

I've seen one :oldrazz:

[Blackman]

The perfect example would be Spectacular Spider-Man. That series started with Pete already established as Spidey. No origin needed.

People need to realize that reboot doesnt necessarily mean origin.
complete cosign

[Mastodon123]

I love Raimi and MacGuire

but some people are complaining way to much in my opinion. And its annoying that everything that was good in the rumor SM4 script people say it was Raimi and everything bad they blame Sony.

Like they know exactly what happened :whatever:

This. Seriously people are assuming way too much. OMG the reboot is going to suck. :whatever:

[Nightmare]

I would not be surprised if Raimi was asked to direct another comic franchise in the next 5 years.

Hmm, interesting. Like what?

[SuperFerret]

The reboot might suck, it might be good, it might be great, but the same would've been true for Spider-Man 4. For both, it's too early to tell.

I just think that rebooting like this is a bad idea.

[Blackman]

NgMZvRCV_gA
perfect Spidey

[The Lizard]

I hope that if they return the series to high school, then they go young enough so that the same actors can stick around longer than three films.

Exactly. The main actors playing Peter, Gwen, MJ, Harry, etc should definitely be no older than around 20 when the new movie starts shooting for this very reason.

[conan69]

"perfect Spidey"

Complete and total braindead garbage is more like it.

Who wrote that crap, a 12 year old?

[NinjaCarm]

This reboot is giving me a heartattack. Raimi never met my expectations, I just can't get let down again.

[JustABill]

NgMZvRCV_gA
perfect Spidey
I would die of happiness if we got something so awesome.

''Oh....wow...just wow." :hehe:

[Hurm...]

Yeah, we don't need another origin story. Your grandma knows it, your 2 year old sister knows it, George W. Bush knows it. Everybody knows it! Why do we need to see the same thing again? No matter how you spin it, it's still a kid gettinb bitten by a spider and developing his powers. Pull a B89 and have Peter be Spider-Man from the beginning of the film.
Yeah, I think that's a good idea. Maybe just a short flashback so people don't get their panties in a bunch.

[SLYspyder]

Sony would have still made money with SM4!! They didn't restart just to "make more money". It balances out cast and box office wise.

[Rodrigo90]

Heres what I would like to see.

Peter returning to School just after the funeral of Uncle Ben.
Aunt May cant cope with the bills,so Peter decides to hunt for a job.
The Social Welfare get involved after Peter begins skipping school.
Dr Connors takes Peter under his wing and makes him a lab assistant (to help him stick in with school)
Liz Allen (Harry's GF) sets Peter up with her friend,Gwen Stacy.
Harry Osborn is left feeling alone and isolated as his father Norman,is getting deeper into his mysterious work at Oscorp.

Dr Connors eventually becomes The Lizard and Spidey must battle to save the man who has been there for him,while also juggling with a new relationship,helping his Aunt,being there for his friend and trying to look good for prom night,lol.

Just another day in the life of your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man,lol.

[SLYspyder]

TO THE RAIMI FANS:

You say Sony was the one that made Raimi ruin SM3. Let's just assume that Sony big wigs stuck a gun to Raimi's head and forced him to add Venom to the movie. Think of all the things you really hated about the movie.....
Did Sony force Raimi to.....
make all the silly coincidences in SM3?
ignored SM's Spider-sense?
make Sandman Ben's killer?
make Sandman yet again another sympathetic villain?
cast Topher Grace as Brock?
have Peter Parker crying like a little girl?
change the symbiote's characteristics?
make Peter a dancing goth with the symbiote?
Harry's butler??!!
kill Venom off so quickly?

Raimi was the one who made all those decisions!!

He's was the director!! Plain and simple!! He's in charge of the way the actors act, and how the characters interact!

All Sony said was that Raimi should include Venom in the movie. He could've definitely done that and had the movie come out A LOT cleaner than it did and lived up a little to it's massive potential.


To the Sony haters:

You say all they are interested in is making money. How the hell are they going to make money giving us a crappy movie?! The only reason SM3 made the most worldwide was the insane demand for Venom. The sad part is SM could've made an addition $400M worldwide going way past $1B total if the movie was closer to SM2 quality, the potential was VERY visible looking at it's opening weekend. SM3 had no legs box office wise, and Sony knows this. If SM3 had legs, it would've made closer to Dark Knight's domestic total, and not almost $200M below.
The pressure is on Sony, they know they MUST deliver because it's all or nothing right now and I have faith that they WILL deliver. You can't expect a crappy Superman or Spider-Man movie after the likes of Dark Knight. You just can't folks!!

They say the new movie will be closer to the source material. Fact of the matter is, although a very tiny part of the population, the fanboys cry the loudest and influence the general public, they're the ones with the websites, and the ones who write the reviews. They're the same ones who dramatically slowed down Sm3's box office momentum because the public was drowning in their tears.

Bottom line, Sony isn't gonna rush through this and in order to make a quick buck, they CANT rush through this and make a quick buck. This is their treasured franchise and they want to start it over and make sure to get is right this time.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Where does all this Maguire and Raimi love come from? Let me think....THERE ARE people, such as myself, who adored this franchise and still do.

[Rodrigo90]

Let me think....THERE ARE people, such as myself, who adored this franchise and still do.

Im one of them.