Sony Rebooting Spider-Man for 2012!!!

[JustABill]

Let me think....THERE ARE people, such as myself, who adored this franchise and still do.
I liked it, adored would be a strong word though. Too many flaws. And it never really felt like Spider-Man.

This reboot could be a chance for a better or worse Spider-Man. We can't be sure of anything at this point, but instead of running around like idiots with your heads cut off, you could calm down and face that you KNOW nothing of what's to come.

[Pac-Master]

Edit.

[Pac-Master]

Im one of them.

So am I.

[VenomVsSpidey]

I liked it, adored would be a strong word though. Too many flaws. And it never really felt like Spider-Man.

This reboot could be a chance for a better or worse Spider-Man. We can't be sure of anything at this point, but instead of running around like idiots with your heads cut off, you could calm down and face that you KNOW nothing of what's to come.

the same could be said to those who apparently know that the reboot will be the 2nd coming of christ.

So am I.

I'll fourth that notion.

[JustABill]

the same could be said to those who apparently know that the reboot will be the 2nd coming of christ
It's a better view to take than ''OH MY GOD, WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE, RAIMI'S GONE? WHY WHY WHY WHY? OH MY GOD, THE SKY IT'S GOING DARK!" :o

[Rodrigo90]

The franchise may have not been perfect. But it still hit a strong note with me and so many others. I will always cherish it.

[BlackLantern]

the same could be said to those who apparently know that the reboot will be the 2nd coming of christ.

no....but Im not going to whine about how evil Sony is and Raimi can do no wrong when I would love to see a fresh take on the material

[VenomVsSpidey]

no....but Im not going to whine about how evil Sony is and Raimi can do no wrong when I would love to see a fresh take on the material

I never said Raimi could do no wrong. Let's just put it this way :

both sides are being VERY hypocritical towards the current state of the franchise.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I also want to say, for those of you saying that we (the people who loved Raimi's franchise) are'nt true Spidey fans because we hate the fact that we're geting a reboot, that's complete Bulls***.

[conan69]

I love the first 2 films.

Dunst was the weakest casting decision Raimi made. Everything else, IMHO was near perfect.

[BlackLantern]

I never said Raimi could do no wrong. Let's just put it this way :

both sides are being VERY hypocritical towards the current state of the franchise.

Id agree...the issue is that Sony has all the leverage

I also want to say, for those of you saying that we (the people who loved Raimi's franchise) are'nt true Spidey fans because we hate the fact that we're geting a reboot, that's complete Bulls***.

why would anyone say that?? seems quite silly to me

[The Joker]

I also want to say, for those of you saying that we (the people who loved Raimi's franchise) are'nt true Spidey fans because we hate the fact that we're geting a reboot, that's complete Bulls***.

Let it be documented right here for those of you who accuse SMH12 of praising everything Spider-Man related: He hates the idea of a reboot.

[Rodrigo90]

I love the idea of a reboot cause it makes way for new opportunities and material.

But I still love what Sam gave us...Shoot me if you want,but thats my feelings. Nearly my entire family were huge fans. My mother was shocked when I told her about it,she fancies JK Simmons,lol.

I rarely mention it,but my cousin is Cheryl Cole and she loved the movies. She knew enough of the comic material when she said Kirsten Dunst was wrong as MJ though,lol. Personally I liked her as "Sams MJ".

[night0205]

Fact; Comic book hard core fans are over dramatic. Fact; Marvel movie hard core fans are over dramatic. Fact; I'm somewhere in between.

[StylishHokie21]

Let it be documented right here for those of you who accuse SMH12 of praising everything Spider-Man related: He hates the idea of a reboot.

I know. This is first time I've seen him trash something Spider-Man related. :wow:

[Spider-ManHero12]

why would anyone say that?? seems quite silly to me 2 people have said it so far.

Originally posted by Joker
Let it be documented right here for those of you who accuse SMH12 of praising everything Spider-Man related: He hates the idea of a reboot. Thanks man. :yay:

[Spider-ManHero12]

I know. This is first time I've seen him trash something Spider-Man related. :wow: I LOVED these films ever since the first one. I was stunned when I walked out of the theater after seeing S-M1. So hearing this franchise was gonig to be rebooted made me flip out. As i said, I'm not getting over this any time soon.

[Rodrigo90]

I LOVED these films ever since the first one. I was stunned when I walked out of the theater after seeing S-M1. So hearing this franchise was gonig to be rebooted made me flip out. As i said, I'm not getting over this any time soon.

Nor will I.:csad:

[sauronthegreat]

At least we can hope in getting a real goblin this time.

[Rodrigo90]

Also with Goblin,cant we have a scenario which doesnt have him look the accidental victim per say? But have him develop the serum for criminals,who in exhange will give him the cash to avoid bankruptcy?

[sauronthegreat]

Definitely we should get a developed character of Norman Osborn until he puts the mask and destroys Peter's life.

[Rodrigo90]

I would like that,just a nice pace of development that can carry on. Cause I think they used too many great things too quickly in the franchise and ran out of ideas for the future.

A reboot is where they can sit down and say

"OK. Now lets do it right this time".

[BlackLantern]

I LOVED these films ever since the first one. I was stunned when I walked out of the theater after seeing S-M1. So hearing this franchise was gonig to be rebooted made me flip out. As i said, I'm not getting over this any time soon.

sounds like a personal problem.....world keeps spinning, get over it

[Pythagoras]

I open a reboot with open arms...as long as its better then the originals.

[Pac-Master]

Even though I do not support the idea of a reboot this soon, I would rather them use villains that we haven't seen before in Rami's movies so it doesn't feel like a complete rehash.

[sauronthegreat]

I can say that when I walked out of the theater after SM1 I just wished for this to happen. My only wish was that some day, someone may make a decent Spidey film, worthy of the source material, but I didn't see it coming this soon. Now I can just hope that the new director will see the mistakes of Raimi's trilogy (which there are many) and never repeat them again.

[Spider-ManHero12]

sounds like a personal problem.....world keeps spinning, get over it I loved the franchise. simple as that.

[BlackLantern]

its now dead...deal with it and move on

[Spider-ManHero12]

its now dead...deal with it and move on Ummm...no. The franchise may be over, but i'm not going to say "It's over. Let's move onto the next big thing." Trust me, there are many other people on this forum who feel the same as I do.

[Project862006]

He does'nt have to get over it if everyone was of the same opinion it would be very boring here.I personally am not supporting the reboot but i am not condemning it either i am just being very optimistic with the reboot news.

[Rodrigo90]

The truth is. Batman Rebooted was after the dreadful Batman and Robin,the formula was ****.
James Bond was rebooted because the formula was becoming too cliche and lagging the real 007 quality.
Spider-Man was rebooted because Sam quit. Not because the formula was crap. He basically said "**** it,Ive has enough of screwing around". Sony THEN asked Tobey "Do you want to continue being Spider-Man and do a reboot?"

Tobey admitted he was too old and wouldn't continue without Sam.

But IMHO...What was there left for tye franchise? The Tinkerer?

[sauronthegreat]

I would like that,just a nice pace of development that can carry on. Cause I think they used too many great things too quickly in the franchise and ran out of ideas for the future.

A reboot is where they can sit down and say

"OK. Now lets do it right this time".

That may be the fundamental mistake of this trilogy. There was nothing you could do anymore with those characters. All the possibilities were used and done with for good. Norman killed, Octopus redeemed, Sandman so obscure even to them what to do next with him, Venom also killed, JJJ could never fund project like Spider Slayers and Scorpion, Oscorp was never even mentioned again, Peter's parents NEVER mention, as if they never existed, Gwen's character used with no possibilities for future.. let's face it with Raimi's 4th film we could just get more love story between Tobey and Kirsten and nothing else.

[BlackLantern]

Ummm...no. The franchise may be over, but i'm not going to say "It's over. Let's move onto the next big thing." Trust me, there are many other people on this forum who feel the same as I do.

i guess..

its a good thing moviemaking isn't a democratic process then:oldrazz:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Trust me, there was plenty of possibilities left for the 4th film. Marriage, etc.

[sauronthegreat]

In my opinion Spidey's formula became even more cliche and boring than James Bond.
With all Peter's miserable life, his love towards MJ, moral lesson from Aunt May, comic JJ, a villain that always kidnaps and threatens MJ. Yes it did.. it became very cliche.

[Sawyer]

At least you guys got your trilogy. That's more than I'll ever get of Speed Racer! :csad:

[Ipodman]

Im feeling the deadpool film will be the tone of the Spidey film we want...

[BlackLantern]

Trust me, there was plenty of possibilities left for the 4th film. Marriage, etc.

then that would have really ended the series....we see how well marriage worked in the books:hehe:

[UltimateJustin]

I think it's more of a mistake to take the story back to highschool, more than it is to just ignore the previous films. The fact that SM3 was so conclusive means this could be a good opportunity to close that chapter (the Raimi films) and take the series in a fresh direction (new cast, new score, different themes). But a complete retelling of the story will not be "fresh" when we are only ten years removed from first meeting this character on the big screen. This, and many other franchises, suffer from an insane obsession with trilogies when few movie trilogies are actually good. Just tell good stories, don't tell me the reboot is part of a new trilogy.

Or alternatively, just make Ultimate Spider-Man.

[sauronthegreat]

Trust me, there was plenty of possibilities left for the 4th film. Marriage, etc.

The last shot of SM3 foreshadows a wedding, so you can always imagine that they will get married in the future. The trilogy was finished and it will still exist, and it will have it's fan base. I'm just not that happy because now Raimi will probably never release the extended cut of SM3 which is very sad.

[Rodrigo90]

But as much I loved it,there was no forseeable possibility of the franchise changing or adding something new, unexpected and (or) amazing.

The most evil villain(s) were Ocks tentacles...Ill never get over that. Every villain was tragic and I ended up feeling sorry for them. MJ ended up being kidnapped, the villain finding a way to die by their own hand after a form of redemption.

I have no doubt Sam wouldve made Spider-Man 4 brilliant again,but the same dilemmas would still continue on and the movies would become weak again. But 4 wouldve merely erased the bitterness of 3 ever so slightly,just up until 5 came along.

[VenomVsSpidey]

eddie brock had ZERO redeeming qualities

[Ipodman]

Spider-man movies always ended with the villain killing themselves

[Sawyer]

eddie brock had ZERO redeeming qualities

I never saw Eddie Brock in SM3... all I saw was slightly douchier Eric Forman with a symbiote. :o

[JustABill]

The reason Raimi had to go? Look at the conclusion to Spider-Man 3. ''I forgive you" comes out of NOWHERE. (Granted I wouldn't have wanted him to be Flint Marko senseless) It literally comes from nowhere the arc between Spider-Man and Peter makes no sense. And you can guarantee Raimi was behind it.

Venom is a threat for all of 10 minutes. Yet again, MJ is kidnapped by the villains. Tobey's acting is awful in Harry's death scene. All of these are RAIMI. He had flipping lost it when it came to his mojo for Spidey.

[VenomVsSpidey]

I never saw Eddie Brock in SM3... all I saw was slightly douchier Eric Forman with a symbiote. :o

I never saw speed racer...all I saw was a slightly douchier emile hersche in a race car:o

[BlackLantern]

raimi let his inner fan take over....I think if you're working on an adaptation for the masses, you need to balance your "fan" and your profession

[Sawyer]

I never saw speed racer...all I saw was a slightly douchier emile hersche in a race car:o

Watch it junior, or your kindergarten teacher's gonna put you in a timeout during snack time. :o

[VenomVsSpidey]

Watch it junior, or your kindergarten teacher's gonna put you in a timeout during snack time. :o

Ricky Bobby >>>> Speed Racer. :oldrazz:

[Sawyer]

Ricky Bobby >>>> Speed Racer. :oldrazz:

I'd expect no less from a kindergartener. :awesome:

[VenomVsSpidey]

and I wouldn't expect you too ;)

[mothy]

spider-man's filmic history has been altered forever for no reason. still haven't really taken the stupidity of all this in. it’s pretty hard to be excited about a reboot that shouldn’t be happening in the first place.

i don't need to see more of peter parker as a teenager. tobey maguire was a great spider-man. why change that?

we have an actor who embodies the title character perfectly, and he will never likely reprise the role again. he's still fit to do it, but from now on he's going to do nothing but age.

spider-man 4 would have been the chance to go further with spider-man, show him seasoned, also in his professional life. why leave this chance for a cash-in and reboot with uncertain cast and director?

instead of seeing the characters grow and develop, we instead go backwards to high school in a reboot.

this is a bit as if EON had sacked sean connery after goldfinger to reboot with a young bond storyline.

i'm a big fan of the character, but at the moment, i really don't care. i've got a mixture of anger and depression. but mostly depression. i'm just gobsmacked by sony's move. such a waste of an era for no reason. gutted.

[Crook]

Waste of an era? You got a full trilogy over the span of nearly a decade. How long did you exactly foresee them lasting with the current crew?

[C. Lee]

Waste of an era? You got a full trilogy over the span of nearly a decade. How long did you exactly foresee them lasting with the current crew?

Agreed. When I was a kid....I prayed for anything decent to be made about any comic book character (I was a kid in 1960's)....and these days movies and TV shows are being made about everyone....and all we hear is complaining and complaining and complaining.....

[Asteroid-Man]

Anyone else want internal dialogue/monologue?

[JustABill]

Anyone else want internal dialogue/monologue?
No, I think Peter should definitely have voiceover narration at certain parts like the beginning and end, much like the Raimi films though. But in the middle of fights and other scenes. No.

[Spider-ManHero12]

eddie brock had ZERO redeeming qualities Agreed. He was evil, pretty much all the way.

[JustABill]

Agreed. He was evil, pretty much all the way.
He wasn't really evil. He was a douchebag. He was a douchebag who had bad luck and let a evil alien suit control him and his tore up emotions.

[VenomVsSpidey]

yeah, but in the comics, eddie brock is a douche anyway soooo.....(this coming from a symbiote fan)

[Spider-ManHero12]

He wasn't really evil. He was a douchebag. He was a douchebag who had bad luck and let a evil alien suit control him and his tore up emotions. True. Still unredeemable though.

[JustABill]

Yes, but they way Raimi did it. The way Raimi went about Eddie's character made him far more sympathetic than Eddie originally was when he turnedi nto Venom. As he went along as Venom he became a much more sympathetic character sure, but for a while when he was first introed as Venom, Eddie was nothing but this big evil douche bastard.

Topher Grace's(probably apart of the problem in the end) version just comes across a human douchebag with an alien suit on him, letting the suit do the talking. So he really didn't come across as evil at all.

[VenomVsSpidey]

~ tries to kill MJ
~ Kills harry
~ (deleted / alternate) Kidnaps sandman's daughter, thereby forcing him to fight against spider-man
~ pretty much a stalker for gwen, and to a point, peter.
~ Blames the world for his screw-ups.

yes, totally sympathetic.

[JustABill]

~ tries to kill MJ
~ Kills harry
~ (deleted / alternate) Kidnaps sandman's daughter, thereby forcing him to fight against spider-man
~ pretty much a stalker for gwen, and to a point, peter.
~ Blames the world for his screw-ups.

yes, totally sympathetic.
All more the suit than Eddie. Except the last two.

[VenomVsSpidey]

forgot to add

~ willing to cheat to get whatever he wants.

1/2 the suit, 1/2 the man

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Very good points, my friend. :up:

[Gotham22]

All this talk about the new Spider-Man franchise being gritty, "Dark Knight" like then Carnage will definitely work now.

[VenomVsSpidey]

HELL. NO. Carnage, esp. as of late, is LAME. his only good run was for a while in the 90s', TAS, and Maximum Carnage. No symbiotes for a while...their being effing overused

[Cory]

~ tries to kill MJ
~ Kills harry
~ (deleted / alternate) Kidnaps sandman's daughter, thereby forcing him to fight against spider-man
~ pretty much a stalker for gwen, and to a point, peter.
~ Blames the world for his screw-ups.

yes, totally sympathetic.

i wish that was in the damn movie. that would have made it much better for me.

but...

rebooting is one of sonys most idiotic moves ever.

the reboot will fail. someone at WB said at a press conference or something, i dont remember but read it on the hype somewhere, that they would be more than willing to place batman against spidey. For gods sake, i love both bats and spidey, but if they try to put a reboot against batman 3 in 2012, its not gonna be pretty.

but forget that, why the hell would they stop now. spidey 1 and 2 were great, 3 was...OK. but apparently that was more sonys fault than raimis right? finish this peter parkers story. Especially since everyone between the ages 5 and hell, 80? grew with this peter parker for the past few years.

i dont know, i guess its just not gonna be the same "hell yes" feeling when you walk into the theater and see a spidey poster that isnt simply the "4" in a web. and everyone knows the font used for it. It is kinda depressing, i find myself not wanting to see a reboot not because it would be a bad movie, but because its not 4. It's not the movie world i grew with over the years and got pumped up for.

But there is always a time to move on so to speak.

venting over. but god dammit how lame is this ****?

[Gotham22]

If no symbiotes for while than no goblins either.

[VenomVsSpidey]

If no symbiotes for while than no goblins either.

they can introduce norman in this reboot,but at least save him for ASM2.

[Spider-ManHero12]

No symbiotes for a while...their being effing overused Agreed, my friend. Don't get me wrong, Venom's my favortie VIllian, but's he being used everywhere.

[Spider-Fan]

Brock was not a sympathetic character in SM3. Nor do I think he was meant to be.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Brock was not a sympathetic character in SM3. Nor do I think he was meant to be. You, my friend, are correct, I think. Sam pretty much said Brock was supposed to be the exact opposite of Peter. His doppleganger.

[louiebling$]

You, my friend, are correct, I think. Sam pretty much said Brock was supposed to be the exact opposite of Peter. His doppleganger.
Yea which as ****ing stupid because that not who brock is..... and on top of that he casted Topher Grace as Brock who should have been cast as Parker from the getgo :o

[Artistsean]

Didn't they cast Spider-Man 1 back when Topher was just starting on that 70s show, or near the beginning. Back when it wasn't sure where his career was headed?
Maybe back then he wasn't the obvious choice for Spider-Man because he wasn't thought of as a movie actor yet, and was still getting started on TV. Or am I remembering the time period wrong?

[louiebling$]

Didn't they cast Spider-Man 1 back when Topher was just starting on that 70s show, or near the beginning. Back when it wasn't sure where his career was headed?
Maybe back then he wasn't the obvious choice for Spider-Man because he wasn't thought of as a movie actor yet, and was still getting started on TV. Or am I remembering the time period wrong?
That 70's Show first aired in 1998

[night0205]

I don't really hate Topher Grace as an actor, he's not amazing, but he can be funny. But he wasn't a Eddie Brock. Although, i must admit, with what he had to work with, he did a pretty good job. He was pretty entertaining at times, a flirt, motivated to get what he wanted, very selfish character.

[Kanon]

forgot to add

~ willing to cheat to get whatever he wants.

1/2 the suit, 1/2 the man
Plus: praying to god to kill Peter Parker.

[Rodrigo90]

Dispite all the bad things,I did feel sorry for him.

He was delusional,thinking Gwen was his girlfriend.
Getting picked on cause he smelt like ****. "Whats that smell?":awesome:
He had a reason to frame Spider-Man,cause he broke his camera.
Losing his job cause of Peter (but mainly through his hatred).
Peter "stealing" Gwen from him.

I pitied him really...Which isnt acceptable for downright evil villains from the comics.

If Sam directed a remake of The Exorcist,Pazuzu would probably say to Merrin and Karris.

"Im sorry,I didnt mean to possess the girl and make her vomit on you,twist her head 360 degrees,cuss and swear and shoving a crucifix up her ******, It was because I was angry. Please forgive me".

Then the demon ascends into Heaven after Merrin,Karris and Regan forgive him and wave goodbye...THAT would be Sam Raimi's The Exorcist for you. Turning evil forces into a 5 year old bully who turns nice after you push back.

[Ace of Knaves]

Plus: praying to god to kill Peter Parker.

Yea for absolutely ridiculous reasons.

He prays to god to kill Pete. Because he lost his job and his girl? With no prior indications that he is mentally unstable? C'mon... that's piss poor development. It was totally unbelievable.

If there was some foreshadowing that he was maybe a little crazy already, I'd believe that he could finally snap after losing his job and a girl that wasn't his.

[JustABill]

The worst scene is the Sandman resolution.

Sandman: I killed your Uncle Ben....but I didn't mean to! I swear!
Spider-Man: It's okay, even though I've spent all of the movie up until this moment hating you, I forgive you for no apparent reason, crazy man who was just trying to kill me and my friends!
Sandman: -flies off-

Seriously, Spider-Man 3 was pretty bad. And almost all of it was on Raimi's hands.

[BlackLantern]

Yea for absolutely ridiculous reasons.

He prays to god to kill Pete. Because he lost his job and his girl? With no prior indications that he is mentally unstable? C'mon... that's piss poor development. It was totally unbelievable.

If there was some foreshadowing that he was maybe a little crazy already, I'd believe that he could finally snap after losing his job and a girl that wasn't his.

but didn't he do that in the original comic storyline?? wasn't he in church asking for God to strike Pete down?? Brock is Irish Catholic, I know that

[Nathan]

In the original comics he went to the church to commit suicide, because he lost everything that was worth living for.

[Ace of Knaves]

but didn't he do that in the original comic storyline?? wasn't he in church asking for God to strike Pete down?? Brock is Irish Catholic, I know that

In the comics he wanted to top himself, and was asking God for forgiveness.

But the point is, he should have better reasons to kill himself/want Pete dead than just losing his job and a girl that wasn't his in the first place.

[BlackLantern]

irrational people blame everyone but themselves

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but there was no prior indication that he was irrational or a bit crazy.

In the comics it built Brock up as a bit of a hot head nut case. Who was pissed off at life in general BEFORE Spidey revealed him to be a fraud.

Before SM3 come out Raimi and Avi Arad were saying that Brock's whole life had been terrible. That his parents were terrible parents, he came from a poor background that is life was just plain ****** in general.

We got NONE of that in SM3.

[JustABill]

Exactly, there's tons of problems with the continuity in Spider-Man 3, for almost all the plots, so many. And THAT, THAT is not something people can blame on Sony. That's all on Raimi.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yup, Sony forced Raimi to use Venom, which I am definitely not excusing.

But the other NUMEROUS problems with SM3? Raimi.

*waits for people to say we are band wagon jumpers hating on Raimi*

Even though these are complaints I voiced LONG, LONG ago.

[Nathan]

Yup, Sony forced Raimi to use Venom, which I am definitely not excusing.

But the other NUMEROUS problems with SM3? Raimi.

Like everything that has to do with evil Peter. He made sure to let us know how much he disliked anything Symbiote related.

[JustABill]

Like everything that has to do with evil Peter. He made sure to let us know how much he disliked anything Symbiote related.
Yep. You can clearly tell that Sony wanted Venom (which who can blame them after GG and Doc Ock, he's the next ''put buts in seats villain" for Spidey), and Raimi hating Venom went out of his way to botch everything Venom related in the movie.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea the symbiote shouldn't make Peter a asshat who busts out in dance routines.

It should making him a frickin psycho!

Sure he went nuts on Sandman and Harry, but I'm talking about regular criminals. We should of seen Spidey wailing on petty purse snatchers or something. Really beating them badly. And see that the people of New York actually FEAR this new Spider-Man.

But nope, none of that. Just cheesy jazz dance numbers.

[spider-neil]

It should making him a frickin psycho!




disagree, it should just make him more rude and more aggrssive.

SSM bible - when in doubt, refer to it at all times :yay:

[Ace of Knaves]

disagree, it should just make him more rude and more aggrssive.

SSM bible - when in doubt, refer to it at all times :yay:

Well I'm going by the comics.

And anyway, Spidey wasn't more aggressive, apart to super villains.

There should of been a scene like this...

Woman gets mugged. Black suit Spidey catches purse snatcher. And he beats the living **** out of him. Woman says some to Spidey along the lines of "That's enough Spider-Man!" or something like that. But Spidey starts mouthing off to her, he starts acting aggressive to the people he is supposed to be helping as well. Which would lead to the N.Y.C people growing to fear this new, black suited spidey.

THAT is how the symbiote should of been done.

[Chris Wallace]

Going by the comics, the symbiote didn't affect his personality at all, nor his powers.

[BlackLantern]

Well I'm going by the comics.

And anyway, Spidey wasn't more aggressive, apart to super villains.

There should of been a scene like this...

Woman gets mugged. Black suit Spidey catches purse snatcher. And he beats the living **** out of him. Woman says some to Spidey along the lines of "That's enough Spider-Man!" or something like that. But Spidey starts mouthing off to her, he starts acting aggressive to the people he is supposed to be helping as well. Which would lead to the N.Y.C people growing to fear this new, black suited spidey.

THAT is how the symbiote should of been done.

yes....I wanted to see him beat the living **** out of someone and bystanders freaking out

[JustABill]

There doesn't have to blood, like Ace said just have him through a few too many punches and kicks at a guy?

Hell, you know what we should of seen instead of all that damn dancing? That photo Robbie and Jonah are looking at of Spider-Man hoisting that bike over his. THAT'S what we should've saw. Scenes like that.

[Ace of Knaves]

Going by the comics, the symbiote didn't affect his personality at all, nor his powers.

It didn't effect his personality? Yes it did. Not straight away, but the more he wore it, the more aggressive he become. If it didn't start changing him for the worse, why did he want to get rid of it?

[Nathan]

He should've definitely been more reckless toward everyone and of course see no wrong in what he's doing. After all, he's helping by taking out criminals, the damn public should be grateful, so how dare they speak up against him?

[Ace of Knaves]

He should've definitely been more reckless toward everyone and of course see no wrong in what he's doing. After all, he's helping by taking out criminals, the damn public should be grateful, so how dare they speak up against him?

EXACTAMUNDO, man.

[Nathan]

It didn't effect his personality? Yes it did. Not straight away, but the more he wore it, the more aggressive he become.

I wasn't able to read the comics around that time, but they way I remember hearing and reading about it, he wore the symbiote for a very long perioid, without it actually affecting him in any way. I think then it was retconned into being a parasite that tried to bond with him.

[BlackLantern]

There doesn't have to blood,

I think so, gets the point across

[Chris Wallace]

It didn't effect his personality? Yes it did. Not straight away, but the more he wore it, the more aggressive he become. If it didn't start changing him for the worse, why did he want to get rid of it?

Because it was sapping his energy & making him sleep like he was in a coma. It was taking him out for swings when it wanted to. It did nothing to his behavior. Have you not read The Alien Costume Saga, or did you just buy into the animated series' depiction?

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I have read the alien costume saga, but years and years ago.

And yea honestly, I thought the way the TAS portrayed it was brilliant.

[JustABill]

It's also more consistent with the way it affects/ed Eddie, Gargan and that one other host who wasn't around very along I forget his name, if it affects Peter's personality as well.

[Chris Wallace]

I'm not knocking the way they depicted it there. I liked how Spectacular comibned it with actual elements from what did happen in the comics. But I am saying that to use the comics as the basis of your argument is inaccurate. He gained organic webbing & a quick change benefit, nothing else. It had no effect on his powers, his behavior or his mentality.
Anyways, I'm really hoping for a Venom-free trilogy this time around. It would be one of the few upsides to them rebooting.

[Ace of Knaves]

Agreed. :up:

[Chris Wallace]

It's also more consistent with the way it affects/ed Eddie, Gargan and that one other host who wasn't around very along I forget his name, if it affects Peter's personality as well.

Eddie & Gargan were already crazy. And since when has comic continuity been consistent?

[Nathan]

Anyways, I'm really hoping for a Venom-free trilogy this time around. It would be one of the few upsides to them rebooting.

I also hope he stays out of the first new Trilogy. But I hope the symbiote will introduced and, hopefully with Eddie being present from the very beginning, set up Venom for part 4.

[JustABill]

Eddie & Gargan were already crazy. And since when has comic continuity been consistent?
I know. I know, but you can't blame me for trying to make it so in my head. :D

[spider-neil]

I think I can say with 100% certainty had TDK cme out before SM3 you would have seen a better venom. TDK showed you can have dark elements and still make a killing (no pun intended) it came out before so all concerned weren't sure how dark you could make it.

if venom appears in the new trilogy (man, I hope not) he will be darker, guaranteed

[BlackLantern]

Spider-Man isn't Batman....the whole point of Spidey is that it is light hearted in its tone with the occasional serious element

[Rodrigo90]

The Symbiote amplified dark traits of the host. Peter had a bigger ego in 3 and the Symbiote jacked it up immensely. So Brock mustve had crazy tendencies for him to become a vicious killer,cause there was no reasonable explanation into The Symbiote WANTING revenge against Peter,it was Brock. Cause Venom used to state "We" and "Us",that wasnt used in the movie. So the only indication that The Symbiote itself wanted revenge was when it came alive and tried to kill Peter. Its rather confusing.

So technically there was 4 enemies in 3.

New Goblin
Sandman
Eddie
The Symbiote

and they all had the motive which was the main theme...Revenge

[mothy]

Spider-Man isn't Batman....the whole point of Spidey is that it is light hearted in its tone with the occasional serious element
definitely. spider-man is spider-man. pushing things dark all the way would be silly. you'd be losing a big part of the charm.

[Chris Wallace]

I know. I know, but you can't blame me for trying to make it so in my head. :D

Nope.
Spider-Man isn't Batman....the whole point of Spidey is that it is light hearted in its tone with the occasional serious element

Which is one of the reasons why I'm skeptical about this whole reboot thing being a good idea. I don't want a dark Spider-Man any more than I want a light-hearted Batman.

[Ace of Knaves]

Spider-Man isn't Batman....the whole point of Spidey is that it is light hearted in its tone with the occasional serious element

Light hearted doesn't equal cheesy, ridiculous ****ing dance numbers though.

You ask any Spidey comic book fans what the best stories ever are, I guarantee you they will mention the Death of Gwen Stacey and Kravens Last Hunt. They are still Spider-Man stories, it's STILL definitely 100% Spider-Man, but they certainly ain't light hearted fluff.

[spider-neil]

Light hearted doesn't equal cheesy, ridiculous ****ing dance numbers though.

You ask any Spidey comic book fans what the best stories ever are, I guarantee you they will mention the Death of Gwen Stacey and Kravens Last Hunt. They are still Spider-Man stories, it's STILL definitely 100% Spider-Man, but they certainly ain't light hearted fluff.


the dancing is a guilty pleasure :hehe:
when I saw it for the first time I thought it was entertaining as heck but on repeating viewing I cringe because the movie was SUPPOSED to be the darkest to date.

[JustABill]

When I first saw Tobey dancing in the street at ladies I was so embarrassed to be there in the theater watching the movie. It may not be as bad a a Bat-Credit Card and butt, boobs and crotch shots while changing into costumes, but damn it's pretty bad.

And the later ''Dig on this." scene was much much worse. Hell, even Kirsten couldn't keep a straight face filming it. She must've realized how utterly dumb of a scene it was.

[Ace of Knaves]

hehe yea, when I first saw it, I'll admit I laughed. Well, not laughed but s******ed. It was at first amusing, in a ridiculous sorta way.

But yea after repeated viewings, it does actually ruin the whole film for me. That and making Sandman Uncle Ben's killer and the stupid ****ing ending where he just flew away.

[mothy]

Light hearted doesn't equal cheesy, ridiculous ****ing dance numbers though.
i don't find that stuff cheesy. i find it unpretentious fun. what we saw was peter giving in to his dark side. but as a goofy nerd who always sees hope for tomorrow, his dark side isn't going to be all that dark.

i believe a lot of people slag off spider-man 3 because they think it makes them look intelligent and discriminating.

[BlackLantern]

no, just compared to the first 2, its quality is sorely lacking

[Ace of Knaves]

i don't find that stuff cheesy. i find it unpretentious fun.

i believe a lot of people slag off spider-man 3 because they think it makes them look intelligent and discriminating.

OH so you are saying that those who find the ****ing stupid dance numbers ****ing stupid are pretentious? SERIOUSLY?

I don't slag of Spider-Man 3 to pretend to be intelligent. I slag of Spider-Man 3 because it deserves to be slagged off.

If you accept crap, and don't let them know it's crap, it doesn't give them motivation to improve. That is doing a disservice to the Spider-Man character.

[Rodrigo90]

Aye,the scene was atrocious,but a bloody good laugh,lol.

But I think that was the main problem. Cause when Kirten let it slip at the press interview,that it was the last movie,they all KNEW it was probably the last.

"Saying as how this will be the last movie. Lets have a ball. Have fun".

That was clearly shown to us and unforgivable. It was made into a cheesy 80's movie,IMO. The Twist? For Gods sake.

[mothy]

no, just compared to the first 2, its quality is sorely lacking
oh yes, so let's go ahead and REBOOT!

[Ace of Knaves]

oh yes, so let's go ahead and REBOOT!

oh yes, so let's go ahead and make another SM3! Or worse!

If you had kept up to date on what was going on with the SM4 production you'd be glad it was scrapped.

[spider-neil]

I saw SM3 again recently and although I found it really really disappointing there were absolutely LOADS of scenes I really liked I mean to the point where beater editing would he improved it. compared to other 3rd movies I despise

Superman 3 -
freezes the lack with cold breath
ck v superman fight
and that it

batman 3
hate the entire movie with a ****ing passion

blade 3
when blade is on screen
everything else sucks BALLS

X3
final showdown
kitty v the juggernaught
and that's it

SM3
peter v goblin surfer - okay no spidey outfit and harry looked dumb but the fight was BADASS

sandman birth

spidey v sandman armoured car

harry v peter

simbiote changes spidey's costume black (amazing effect)

spidey (black costume) v sandman

crane save

spidey takes of black costume

venom change

spidey v sandman v venom

disppointing, poor even but no where NEAR as rubbish as some of the abortions I've seen when they make a 3rd movie

[BlackLantern]

oh yes, so let's go ahead and REBOOT!

considering Sony had made it known the franchise would be rebooting afther the 4th movie anyway

Raimi couldn't or didn't want to make the release date the studio had set

creative issues

its a lot easier for Sony to just scrap it all and start over, get someone on board who would "play ball"

[JustABill]

oh yes, so let's go ahead and make another SM3! Or worse!

If you had kept up to date on what was going on with the SM4 production you'd be glad it was scrapped.
Seriously, the characters involved would have been tainted forever. I'm worried enough as is that half of Batman's characters were tainted by Batman and Robin (Shame we'll never get Ivy or Mr. Freeze done right) and Catwoman (Damn you Berry!)

Let alone needing to worry about companies never wanting to use rogues from Spidey's gallery, but SM4 was headed down that direction.

[Ace of Knaves]

I saw SM3 again recently and although I found it really really disappointing there were absolutely LOADS of scenes I really liked I mean to the point where beater editing would he improved it. compared to other 3rd movies I despise

Superman 3 -
freezes the lack with cold breath
ck v superman fight
and that it

batman 3
hate the entire movie with a ****ing passion

blade 3
when blade is on screen
everything else sucks BALLS

X3
final showdown
kitty v the juggernaught
and that's it

SM3
peter v goblin surfer - okay no spidey outfit and harry looked dumb but the fight was BADASS

sandman birth

spidey v sandman armoured car

harry v peter

simbiote changes spidey's costume black (amazing effect)

spidey (black costume) v sandman

crane save

spidey takes of black costume

venom change

spidey v sandman v venom

disppointing, poor even but no where NEAR as rubbish as some of the abortions I've seen when they make a 3rd movie

Reynolds and Posey were the best things about that.

[spider-neil]

SM4 definately would've been sam's B&R.
the script outline reads like frigging horror movie (in a bad way)

[El Payaso]

Yea the symbiote shouldn't make Peter a asshat who busts out in dance routines.

It should making him a frickin psycho!

Sure he went nuts on Sandman and Harry, but I'm talking about regular criminals. We should of seen Spidey wailing on petty purse snatchers or something. Really beating them badly. And see that the people of New York actually FEAR this new Spider-Man.

But nope, none of that. Just cheesy jazz dance numbers.

Well in all justice it made Peter ask her lady neighbor to bring milk and cookies for him. How psycho is that. And of course he mocked Dr. Connors on the phone by suggesting he was boring. See, those symbiotes can screw you in the head.

[spider-neil]

Reynolds and Posey were the best things about that.

oh. my. gosh.
okay each to their own, I loved when blade was on screen but basically wanted to slash my wrists everytime the supporting cast rared their ugly heads.

*warning*

watch reynolds in blade 3 to get a taste of how uttery annoying spidey will be if he cracks wise all the ****ing time. hated him hated him hated him!!!

...and breath...:yay:

[spider-neil]

Has anyone heard of possible suit changes? I am looking for info.

www.Spider-Suit.com (http://www.Spider-Suit.com)


that suit is sooo last year...

[Silver Knight]

Has anyone heard of possible suit changes? I am looking for info.

www.Spider-Suit.com

Im very sure there will be a new suit.

[Ace of Knaves]

oh. my. gosh.
okay each to their own, I loved when blade was on screen but basically wanted to slash my wrists everytime the supporting cast rared their ugly heads.

*warning*

watch reynolds in blade 3 to get a taste of how uttery annoying spidey will be if he cracks wise all the ****ing time. hated him hated him hated him!!!

...and breath...:yay:

lol you ain't gonna like Deadpool then.

You didn't find...

"You cock juggling thunder c***!!!"

funny? :(

[BlackLantern]

I never warmed to the suit in the films...the webs raised in relief....it looked more blue than anything else

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't think they'll drastically change the suit. I mean, making Spider-Man not look like Spider-Man is the dumbest thing ever. Even in a financial stand point.

[Reikowolf]

PS.

You should all know that the writer/director of Blade 3 was the writer of The Dark knight.

Just something to think about

[spider-neil]

lol you ain't gonna like Deadpool then.

You didn't find...

"You cock juggling thunder c***!!!"

funny? :(

I could take it in deadpool because that's his character but I went to watch blade, to, you know, watch blade not some vampire killer rejects.

going back to the wise cracks if

tobey is 0
and reynolds is 10 (amount not quality)

then for pete sake make spidey no more than a 6

[spider-neil]

PS.

You should all know that the writer/director of Blade 3 was the writer of The Dark knight.

Just something to think about

I knew that. thanks a bunch goyer for bringing your 'a' game to batman but totally ****ing blade over, you ****!!

[Ace of Knaves]

PS.

You should all know that the writer/director of Blade 3 was the writer of The Dark knight.

Just something to think about

Goyer is weird though. Sometimes he can do great things ie completely reinvent Blade and make him cool again.

And sometimes he can do bad things ie Blade Trinity.

I don't think Trinity was terrible though, but compared to the other Blade films it just felt out of place and ridiculous.

[spider-neil]

Goyer is weird though. Sometimes he can do great things ie completely reinvent Blade and make him cool again.

And sometimes he can do bad things ie Blade Trinity.

I don't think Trinity was terrible though, but compared to the other Blade films it just felt out of place and ridiculous.

biggest pile of **** EVER. SM3 is friggin masterpiece compared to that turd

[El Payaso]

PS.

You should all know that the writer/director of Blade 3 was the writer of The Dark knight.

Just something to think about

Christopher and Jonah Nolan wrote Blade 3???

[Ace of Knaves]

It's better than Elektra, the Fantastic Four films and X3.

[BlackLantern]

same here...I hope for something a little brighter this time around though ...the suit looked grimy at times

[BlackLantern]

David Goyer wrote all 3 Blade films and directed the third one, he was one of the staff writers on TDK....WB likes him

[spider-neil]

Christopher and Jonah Nolan wrote Blade 3???


goyer was definately one of the writers on TDK

[Reikowolf]

Christopher and Jonah Nolan wrote Blade 3???

David Goyer

Most directors usual deliver the writers a pitch, writers then move forward with that pitch to flesh out a script. Depending on the director. I'm sure some, like Michael bay, simply leave the writing to the writers and move forward from there. Director then is in charge of selling the studio on the script and budget. Studio makes changes based on $$ and market research and then the movie gets shot.

[Reikowolf]

Interestingly enough, I work with some guys who are attending AFI right now. There's a list of like 10-20 GOLD script ideas in Hollywood that all the big name studios have their hands on. These are guaranteed money makers.

Spider-Man was on that list for 20yrs.

[The Slang]

Well in all justice it made Peter ask her lady neighbor to bring milk and cookies for him. How psycho is that. And of course he mocked Dr. Connors on the phone by suggesting he was boring. See, those symbiotes can screw you in the head.


Spider-man sits with the fantastic four and tells them about his problems with the symbiote:

Flash back to Parker and maryjane getting into Bed.

MJ- Oh Peter, Dr connors called for you today...
Peter- 'scoffs' Dr Connors is a boring old bitty!
MJ- 'GASP' Peter!

Come back to the present.

Peter- 'sobbing' I was more animal than man!

[BlackLantern]

it is amazing the amount of stuff that gets picked up by studios and just sits for years on end

[El Payaso]

goyer was definately one of the writers on TDK
Maybe some of his awful one-liners slipped into TDK final, but he's credited merely as one of the story writers, not the screenplay. And you can tell as to how much better TDK screenplay is compared to BB's.

[Blackman]

I have a question who hate the reboot

Would you rather have them continue in the Raimi verse with a different director like happened with Superman III or X3

[El Payaso]

Spider-man sits with the fantastic four and tells them about his problems with the symbiote:

Flash back to Parker and maryjane getting into Bed.

MJ- Oh Peter, Dr connors called for you today...
Peter- 'scoffs' Dr Connors is a boring old bitty!
MJ- 'GASP' Peter!

Come back to the present.

Peter- 'sobbing' I was more animal than man!

*Raimi reads*

RAIMI: "but, man... this is gold."


(LOL, I got the reference btw ;))

[Reikowolf]

/\ bahahaha!

[ultimatefan]

On the directors Sony is seemingly considering:

Marc Webb - Haven´t seen (500) Days Of Summer, can´t comment. But I guess the chosen director will be a newcomer like him.

Cameron - Too busy with the Avatar franchise. I´m not a fan of his old Spider-Man scriptment.

David Fincher - Great director, but maybe too dark in his sensibilities for Spidey. If I were to use him as a replacement for a superhero franchise, it´d be in Chris Nolan´s place for Batman.

Wes Anderson - Talented director, but maybe a little too "indie/artsy". Just did an animated family film that didn´t do that well in the BO- granted, there were, like, 100 of those released last year.

Neil Blomkamp - Did a tremendous job in District 9. Recently said he´s not interested in studio tentpoles, but you never know.

[grand-I-am]

UN-BE-LIEVABLE......Just five years removed from Spider-Man 2, a film almost every critic and fan called the greatest superhero movie of all time, and we need to dump the principal cast and crew. It's as if a coach and quarterback failed to win a third super bowl in a row, therefore we must blow the team up. Ridiculous. I feel this speaks more to impatience and greed on ours and the studios' part, rather than the failings of Raimi/Maguire/Dunst.

No it's more like the coach and QB had a horrible season and their contracts were close to being up. So the management decided to rebuild with a new quarterback and head coach.

[Chris Wallace]

No it's more like the coach and QB had a horrible season and their contracts were close to being up. So the management decided to rebuild with a new quarterback and head coach.

Pretty much. Except that the head coach was forced to call plays that he didn't agree with by management, & then management blamed the coach for their mistakes. I like Reikowolf's sig.

[Ace of Knaves]

Again, Raimi wasn't perfect. A lot of SM3's faults lay at Raimi's feet, not JUST the studio wanting Venom.

[NinjaCarm]

Just hypnotize James Cameron into being the director and base the feel and situations off The Spectacular Spider-Man animated series and we are golden.

[BlackLantern]

Just hypnotize James Cameron into being the director and base the feel and situations off The Spectacular Spider-Man animated series and we are golden.

you want bad art, **** music, and Eddie Brock saying bro every other word??

[ultimatefan]

Again, Raimi wasn't perfect. A lot of SM3's faults lay at Raimi's feet, not JUST the studio wanting Venom.

Most of them anyway. They also clearly wanted more villains, the overstuffing was a big part of what messed up the movie. Which is why Raimi wanted just one this time.

[Ace of Knaves]

James Cameron wanted to make Spideys webs a metaphor for spunk back in his treatment. It was more like a Lynch story than a Spidey story.

Hopefully Cameron has got that ridiculous idea out of his head.

[Ace of Knaves]

Most of them anyway. They also clearly wanted more villains, the overstuffing was a big part of what messed up the movie. Which is why Raimi wanted just one this time.

They didn't want more villains, they wanted to replace Vulture with Venom. It would of been the same amount of villains if Raimi got his way, but the studio wanted one of those villains to be Venom.

Raimi wanted Harry, Sandman and Vulture. Studio wanted Harry, Sandman and Venom. The film would of still be overstuffed if Raimi got complete control.

[craigdbfan]

Not like Raimi didn't play up the spunk parallel in the first film when Pete is using his webbing all over his room and Aunt May knocks and ask if everything is ok. :p

But as much as I like Cameron I agree that his script sucked major balls.

[Ace of Knaves]

Not like Raimi didn't play up the spunk parallel in the first film when Pete is using his webbing all over his room and Aunt May knocks and ask if everything is ok. :p

But as much as I like Cameron I agree that his script sucked major balls.

haha fair point, forgot about that! But that was more innocent and teenager than what Cameron had planned.

[NinjaCarm]

you want bad art, **** music, and Eddie Brock saying bro every other word??

Nope. Cameron plus all the great aspects of the show including wise cracking Spider-Man, Peter Parker having a pair, inclusion of the mythos and characters of Spider-Man, starting off with Gwen Stacy, great Spider-Man / Villain fights, buildup to the Green Goblin, the list goes on and on. And yes, Eddie Brock and Peter being friends then becoming enemies.

If they are going backwards, this is the way to go, IMO.

[conan69]

"Raimi wanted Harry, Sandman and Vulture. Studio wanted Harry, Sandman and Venom. The film would of still be overstuffed if Raimi got complete control."

Yes but Harry was setup in the 2 previous films. So no time to develop him was needed. All you had to show was that he turned bad and was redeemed.

I think a amazing touch would have been Harry redeeming himslf in his fathers Goblin costume. That wouldnt happen becuase the studio wants to see Francos face - so we get the Night Flier.

DarthEmo Parker and all the nonsense involved still come back to Venom. Less time on all that nonsense would have meant more time spent developing the villians.

In the beginning of the film, MJ and Parker are pretty happy - so MJ and PP tension was prob a minor part of the original script. It was most likely expanded upon when Venom was added to the mix. Thats a guess, but makes sense to me based on what we have.

[BlackLantern]

I don't understand why people are in support of Peter and Eddie being friends...can you all just not handle the fact that he's just a ****ed up piece of **** who blames everyone but himself for his troubles?? making them friends is taking the cliche into overdrive

even Ultimate Spider-Man did it decently with having Brock be one of the "weird anti-social" kids

[Ace of Knaves]

"Raimi wanted Harry, Sandman and Vulture. Studio wanted Harry, Sandman and Venom. The film would of still be overstuffed if Raimi got complete control."

Yes but Harry was setup in the 2 previous versions. So no time to develop him was needed. All you had to show was that he turned bad and was redeemed.

I think a amazing touch would have been Harry redeeming himslf in his fathers Goblin costume. That wouldnt happen becuase the studio wants to see Francos face - so we get the Night Flier.

DarthEmo Parker and all the nonsense involved still come back to Venom.

Yea but Raimi wasn't happy with Venom, so he didn't take the symbiote story line seriously. He was the one who decided to make the symbiote turn Pete into a ****ing jazz dancing asshat. The symbiote could of been executed well on film. But Sam was bitter about having the symbiote included, so he didn't take it seriously. That much is obvious.

He was the one who decided to turn Sandman into Uncle Bens killer. He was the one who came up with that ridiculous Sandman ending where he just flies off happily ever after.

[ultimatefan]

They didn't want more villains, they wanted to replace Vulture with Venom. It would of been the same amount of villains if Raimi got his way, but the studio wanted one of those villains to be Venom.

Raimi wanted Harry, Sandman and Vulture. Studio wanted Harry, Sandman and Venom. The film would of still be overstuffed if Raimi got complete control.
It´s been clearly stated by the trades that Raimi wanted only one villain for the forth, the studio insisted on more. Because Vulture wasn´t imposed for being considered a ¨"hip" villain, Vulture could have played a secondary role and no one would have minded. Plus Venom forced the black suit story and making Spider-Man become kind of a villain himself, and also forced adding the Peter/Eddie/Gwen triangle where there already was a triangle with Peter, MJ and Harry.

[conan69]

"But Sam was bitter about having the symbiote included, so he didn't take it seriously. That much is obvious."

I expanded on my answer. And no its not obvious.

He didnt care or maybe he didnt understand the character. Again your assumptions arent fact. If I had to write a Spiderman story with Carnage, who I know nothing about.... I can read the issues, I can do some research...but it doesnt mean I will UNDERSTAND the character.

I agree with you, the dark emo parker stuff was Raimis fault - bu its there because of Venom. When Venom was forced on Raimi, it prob would have been much smarter to get a writter who did understand Venom better to contribute to the script.

Is it Raimis fault, yes, but he didnt have creative control - its also the studios. They wanted SM3 fast tracked and I doubt they would have been very happy about going back to the script phase and possibly delaying production in order to get a better script.

[Deaths Head II]

They didn't want more villains, they wanted to replace Vulture with Venom. It would of been the same amount of villains if Raimi got his way, but the studio wanted one of those villains to be Venom.

Vulture would have been tied with Sandman's story from the start and would have shared scenes with him. Plus he didn't have a character arc or descent to evil since he would have began the film as a pure evil villain. That's 2 villain story arcs going on instead of 3 completely unrelated ones.

[ultimatefan]

Yea but Raimi wasn't happy with Venom, so he didn't take the symbiote story line seriously. He was the one who decided to make the symbiote turn Pete into a ****ing jazz dancing asshat. The symbiote could of been executed well on film. But Sam was bitter about having the symbiote included, so he didn't take it seriously. That much is obvious.

He was the one who decided to turn Sandman into Uncle Bens killer. He was the one who came up with that ridiculous Sandman ending where he just flies off happily ever after.

Even if Raimi didn´t take the symbiote storyline seriously - which is not entirely true, it had serious parts - it´s because it was forced on him by the studio. Plus the burglar was as responsible for Ben´s death as Flint Marko, it didn´t exclude Peter´s responsibility. The whole point of the story was about forgiveness, so it made sense in the context of the story that he forgave Flint, instead of the hundredth billionth ending where the villain gets killed or seemingly killed.

[ultimatefan]

Vulture would have been tied with Sandman's story from the start and would have shared scenes with him. Plus he didn't have a character arc or descent to evil since he would have began the film as a pure evil villain. That's 2 villain story arcs going on instead of 3 completely unrelated ones.

Exactly, Vulture could have been a simpler character cuz you didn´t need the big symbiote/black suit storyline.

[Rodrigo90]

Not like Raimi didn't play up the spunk parallel in the first film when Pete is using his webbing all over his room and Aunt May knocks and ask if everything is ok.

Weve all been in that sort of situation. :awesome:

[Ace of Knaves]

The forgiveness thing? That was covered with Harry and Pete's arc. There was absolutely no need to tie Marko to Peter personally. Another villain connected to Parker.

[ultimatefan]

The forgiveness thing? That was covered with Harry and Pete's arc. There was absolutely no need to tie Marko to Peter personally. Another villain connected to Parker.

Harry didn´t kill someone Peter loved, Marko did. That´s a much tougher and more noble forgiveness. With Harry it was more about him forgiving Peter, or moreso admitting his father was more responsible for his own death than anyone.

[Rodrigo90]

The most dumbfounded thing I know...Bernerd the butler finally coming out with the damn truth after ALL that ****.

[Ace of Knaves]

No... the forgiveness is about Harry forgiving Peter.

And look at it this way. Why does Peter become Spider-Man in the first place? Because he was consumed with guilt about Ben's death because he let Ben's eventual killer go. He took Ben's words to heart "With great power comes great responsibility".

Ok... errr, well making Marko Ben's killer RUINS ALL THAT! Because Pete didn't let Ben's eventual killer go, because that wasn't Ben's killer!

And also, that REALLY powerful and emotional scene in SM2 when Pete confessed to Aunt May? RUINED!

See what I'm saying? It was totally unnecessary and tarnishes WHY Pete becomes Spidey in the first place.

Bravo! Bravo!

:dry:

[ultimatefan]

The most dumbfounded thing I know...Bernerd the butler finally coming out with the damn truth after ALL that ****.

Which comes to show how convoluted the storyline became. With a simpler and more focused script it´d have been much easier to come up with a better solution.

[Reikowolf]

Venom has a sweet line in SM3 though

"never wound... what you can't kill"

[conan69]

The studio should have insisted on another writer help with the script if Raimi was struggling with how to deal with Venom.

[ultimatefan]

No... the forgiveness is about Harry forgiving Peter.

And look at it this way. Why does Peter become Spider-Man in the first place? Because he was consumed with guilt about Ben's death because he let Ben's eventual killer go. He took Ben's words to heart "With great power comes great responsibility".

Ok... errr, well making Marko Ben's killer RUINS ALL THAT! Because Pete didn't let Ben's eventual killer go, because that wasn't Ben's killer!

See what I'm saying? It was totally unnecessary and tarnishes WHY Pete becomes Spidey in the first place.

Bravo! Bravo!

:dry:

Like I said before, the burglar was as responsible as Marko. He bumped on Marko and made him accidentally shoot. If Peter stopped him and he hadn´t shown up, maybe Ben would have convinced Marko to go away.

[Ace of Knaves]

Like I said before, the burglar was as responsible as Marko. He bumped on Marko and made him accidentally shoot. If Peter stopped him and he hadn´t shown up, maybe Ben would have convinced Marko to go away.

So you would count me as a murderer if I bumped into someone holding a gun and it went off, killing someone?

[ultimatefan]

So you would count me as a murderer if I bumped into someone holding a gun and it went off, killing someone?

That has nothing to do with the argument, the burglar being there helped to ignite the event, if Peter had stopped him there was a decent chance it wouldn´t have happened. Peter is still indirectly responsible.

[conan69]

The burgular was just as guilty as Marco. THEY BOTH were commiting the crime.

And Marco didnt laugh while pointing a gun in Peters face.

Dont like the change, but just saying......

[Rodrigo90]

But it eliminates a main reason of a superhero does what he does,combating the forces of evil,not the "pitiful society of misjudged citizens".

[ultimatefan]

But it eliminates a main reason of a superhero does what he does,combating the forces of evil,not the "pitiful society of misjudged citizens".

Why is a burglar shooting a guy to hijack a car - or steal his house, like in the comics - anymore "forces of evil" (isn´t crime in general an evil thing, by the way?), than "pitiful society".

[conan69]

With great power comes great responsibility

Yes that includes fighting evil, basically helping humanity.

Spiderman doesnt go into a burning building because its evil.

[Rodrigo90]

The "pitiful society" is what the movies turned the villains into. I pitied them.

[ultimatefan]

I had my own problem with Sandman being included in it, more in the sense of being a tacked retcon than anything else, but it comes to show how the whole thing got convoluted and messy. The one Spidery Movie where Raimi had total control - in the first the studio still had doubts about him - was Spider-Man 2, and it was the best of the series. Rest my case.

[ultimatefan]

The "pitiful society" is what the movies turned the villains into. I pitied them.

Why is pity a villain so terrible? Some of the best villains in fiction are tragic figures. Other than a purely psychopathic person - which would be Eddie, for instance - most people who do "villainous" things in life do think they´re doing the right thing, or are responding to bad things that happened to them.

[Rodrigo90]

I just wanted to see 1 villain that had evil motives and I didnt feel sorry for. The comics had them evil,why couldnt 1 movie do the same?

Its not terrible to pity them,but I was getting sick of the same thing.

[Timstuff]

It will be very interesting to see what happens if Spider-Man Begins and Batman 3 release within like, one week of each other. I think audiences would much rather go to Batman 3 than a Raimi-less Spider-Man reboot (especially since to the public, Tobey Maguire is still Spider-Man), so I think that the ultimate end result would be that SMB would have a solid opening from people's curiousity, but as soon as Batman 3 comes out it will get buried.

[Spider-Who?]

I'm really not sure what to think about this. Yeah, i think SM3 slipped, but over all it was a decent end to the series, but at the same time, I would have liked to have seen one more from Raimi and Co; give Pete a happy ending and the cast a stronger send off.

But to kill the new sequel to start ALL OVER AGAIN just puts a bad taste in my mouth. I really have no desire to see the origin story again. The only hope I have for the reboot is two fold:

1) Spidey wisecracks from the start.
2) Set up Pete and Gwen's love so they can kill her off - its one of Spider-Man's most important story arcs and it needs to be put onto film.

I would like to think that they take a note or two from the writers of the Spectacular Spider-Man tv show - yeah its for kids, but I love the way they handle both Peter and Spider-Man. Near perfection. But something tells me that they gave Sam the boot only to keep making mistakes.

[ultimatefan]

I just wanted to see 1 villain that had evil motives and I didnt feel sorry for. The comics had them evil,why couldnt 1 movie do the same?

Its not terrible to pity them,but I was getting sick of the same thing.

Eddie Brock, "I like being bad, it makes me happy".

Norman´s motivations for his killing spree were skewed to say the least, as well.

[Rodrigo90]

Eddie Brock, "I like being bad, it makes me happy"

Wasnt that just the Symbiote influencing him?

I even felt sorry for EDDIE!. He was delusional.

"Whats that smell?":awesome:

[Raiden]

Is Robert Pattinson the Next Spider-man? (http://www.newsok.com/is-robert-pattinson-the-new-spider-man/article/feed/123676?custom_click=pod_headline_ae)

Say it ain't so! :dry:

[ultimatefan]

Wasnt that just the Symbiote influencing him?

I even felt sorry for EDDIE!. He was delusional.

"Whats that smell?":awesome:

Eddie gave signs of being a psycho before that, like framing Spidey for robbery and praying for Peter´s death. The suit is fed by the person´s negative emotions.

[MikeFrost]

Pity doesn't make a good villain. You're confusing pity with compassion.

A villain can be a tragic figure without people feeling sorry for him. You understand exactly why he does what he does and can even relate to it. That doesn't make you have to feel sorry for him. In general, pity makes a pussy villain.

[ultimatefan]

Pity doesn't make a good villain. You're confusing pity with compassion.

A villain can be a tragic figure without people feeling sorry for him. You understand exactly why he does what he does and can even relate to it. That doesn't make you have to feel sorry for him. In general, pity makes a pussy villain.


If I understand why someone does something bad, and I relate to it and see him as a tragic figure, I feel sorry, that´s the natural thing. I don´t "pity" in the sense that I feel Doc Ock or GG are just pathetic, they´re still dangerous and cruel villains, but there´s nothing wrong with feeling sorry for them on some level. This is all just bad argument spinning.

[Blackman]

Is Robert Pattinson the Next Spider-man? (http://www.newsok.com/is-robert-pattinson-the-new-spider-man/article/feed/123676?custom_click=pod_headline_ae)

Say it ain't so! :dry:
If theyre even casting before a director is cast I'll be worried

[Mastodon123]

If theyre even casting before a director is cast I'll be worried

All it probably is a convenient rumor just like all those casting rumors for Batman 3 after TDK came out. Anything legit probably won't come out until the late spring or summer.

[Project862006]

not really usually when a film is announced they work on the script but the script is already done for the reboot

[Deaths Head II]

Yeah, all the B3 rumors were nonsense because they didn't even have a script yet. This has a script.

[Mastodon123]

Really? So theres no chance this rumor is just websites trying to capitalize on the announcement of the reboot to get some hits. Besides the website that 1st that posted declared it bs, but they posted it anyways. Its spreading like wildfire just like the Johnny Depp and Eddie Murphy rumors in BM3

[Nightmare]

Is Robert Pattinson the Next Spider-man? (http://www.newsok.com/is-robert-pattinson-the-new-spider-man/article/feed/123676?custom_click=pod_headline_ae)

Say it ain't so! :dry:

Oh Dear God, NO!

[Rodrigo90]

If Rob Pattinson is Spider-Man Im on the next suicide pill.

[Project862006]

Really? So theres no chance this rumor is just websites trying to capitalize on the announcement of the reboot to get some hits. Besides the website that 1st that posted declared it bs, but they posted it anyways. Its spreading like wildfire just like the Johnny Depp and Eddie Murphy rumors in BM3

yes it could be bs but it is entertainment Tonight

and BM3 was not and still is not announced that is why those rumors are automatically false

[zeptron]

You know how people say "People will still show up.....it's Spider-man!" If that kind of thinking worked...then how come Superman Returns didn't make the BIG money?

[Deaths Head II]

You know how people say "People will still show up.....it's Spider-man!" If that kind of thinking worked...then how come Superman Returns didn't make the BIG money?

Yeah, I don't think big money is guaranteed. A full reboot will have to win over general audiences.

[conan69]

While I liked Topher in the part, its almost too bad, because he would have made a great Peter Parker.

[Crook]

You know how people say "People will still show up.....it's Spider-man!" If that kind of thinking worked...then how come Superman Returns didn't make the BIG money?
Everything to do with the package as a whole. Apparently it needs to be pointed out that the cast and film itself has to be be good, for it to sustain a run.

To reword what others have said, "people will not refuse a Spider-Man film because it isn't Tobey and Raimi". Only ones who'd contemplate that are bitter fanboys, and even that I'm doubting.

[omid17]

updated recently
UPDATE: A couple of days ago Drew McWeeny of HitFix (http://hitfix.com/) reported that he spoke with Kick-Ass director Matthew Vaughn, who stated that he is “desperate” to direct a Spider-Man movie. While not on the short list above, we’ve gotten word that while there are higher-ups at Sony that want Webb for the reasons mentioned above, there is also a group who wants Vaughn for the reboot due to how well Kick-Ass has been testing and because that film also deals with teens. Remember that Marvel initially wanted Vaughn to direct Thor, so he’s already on their radar and they obviously have confidence in him already. We don’t know whether Webb or Vaughn will win out, but there would be no convincing required by Sony to get Vaughn to come on board – so Vaughn would be a slam dunk.

[Ace of Knaves]

Vaughn would be awesome.

And those Pattison rumours? :funny: They were INEVITABLE. Don't look too far into them.

[conan69]

Vaughn also was supposed to do Xmen3. Grammer and Jones were his ideas.

[ultimatefan]

Can´t wait to see Kick Ass.

I´ll have to check (500) Days Of Summer as well.

[Doctor Jones]

Vaughn or Webb. God yes, they're my two favorite choices. I'd prefer Vaughn but I'd like to see Webb get his hand at this too.

But I think Vaughn kind of deserves it in some ways. He walked off two comic book films and is directing the anti comic book film.

If Pattsinon is cast I'll still see it. But I'll go in with no expectations.

At least Sony is actually clear headed about directing.

[Adrian89]

I'm not pissed at all that Raimi & his crew are out. I really can't see how the story would've went on from now on, so many characters have been screwed up, especially after SM3.

Peter Parker - I did not see any evolution regarding his character after SM1. On the contrary, it's like he took a step backward in SM2;

MJ - such poor writting on this character, especially in SM2 & 3;

Gwen & Captain Stacy - wasted characters in SM3;

Venom - totally screwed.

Too much whining, too much crying, too much focus on other things instead of Spider-Man and so on.

So thanks Raimi for 2 very good movies (SM1 & SM2, even if they have some flaws which really could have been avoided and some characters deserved to be written by someone who has a clue of what he's writting about), but it's time for someone else to take over now.:)

[craigdbfan]

Vaughn would be my pick over Webb.

[Project862006]

Vaughn is a much better choice but it would be weird is'nt kick ass kind of a parody of spiderman?

[Sarg92]

Sony 'denies Pattinson Spider-Man claims'

Sony has reportedly reacted to rumours that Robert Pattinson is on the shortlist of contenders to take over the role of Spider-Man.

Speculation that the Twilight star could play Peter Parker was sparked after original actor Tobey Maguire departed the franchise earlier this week.

However, the studio has now denied the claims, telling ET Online: "Our first step is to find a director."

Sony recently confirmed that it is planning to reboot the Spider-Man franchise without Maguire, co-star Kirsten Dunst and director Sam Raimi.

Spider-Man 4 is scheduled for release in summer 2012.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a196472/studio-denies-pattinson-spider-man-rumours.html

[Reikowolf]

i predict:

-relative unknown actors (cheaper)
-up and coming director (Webb seems to fit the bill)
-cross between new animated SSM and USM comic
-two unused villains for first movie, major villain as supporting cast member to be developed later

[Crook]

Nimrod Antal is Sam Raimi’s Pick for the Spider-Man Reboot? (http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/01/14/nimrod-antal-is-sam-raimis-pick-for-the-spider-man-reboot/)

Posted on Thursday, January 14th, 2010 by Brendon Connelly (http://www.slashfilm.com/author/brendon-connelly/)


http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/antal_man-550x310.jpg

The last name touted as front runner for directorship of the new Spider-Man series was 500 Days of Summer’s Marc Webb. Okay - there’s that infamous Freakonomics theory that your name can shape your life, but maybe it seems this Webb might not stick. Another new name has been put forward, and this time it’s none other than Nimrod Antal, director of Kontroll, Vacancy, Armored and the upcoming Predators.
So, what did he do to deserve this honor?

According to Quiet Earth (http://www.quietearth.us/articles/2010/01/14/Nimrd-Antal-tops-Sonys-list-of-new-SPIDERMAN-helmers), it shook out a little like this:Sam Raimi met Nimrod on the Sony lot before his first US film, Vacancy. They clicked, so Sam hired him to direct Armored. Now, Predators is getting some great word-of-mouth around tinsel-town. Warners loves it and now Sam Raimi and Sony want the director back at the studio to helm Spider-man.
Their source is apparently “an industry insider” which is at once vague and discouraging, and this sort of story is way outside of the Quiet Earth’s typical comfort zone, but I like the site a great deal and they have a rock-solid reputation for trustworthiness.
The angle with Webb is apparently that he’s an expert in the young and hip and his Peter Parker and Mary Jane could have the same pizazz as Summer’s Joseph Gordon Levitt and Zooey Deschanel. The angle with Antal, seemingly, is that he’s got experience with action sequences and - and this is the most interesting thing to the rumour, I think - satisfies both Sam Raimi and Sony.

Is the implication here that Sam Raimi is being kept on as a producer or consultant, or somehow being given some exit privileges that afford him say in his successor. Of course, even a credited position can easily mean nothing at all and we all know how Joel Schumacher’s Batman films turned out even though they had Tim Burton’s name in the credit block.

[Ace of Knaves]

So wait, Sony are actually keeping Raimi around in some sorta advisor role? Pretty ****ing weird, yet noble if you ask me.

[Mastodon123]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a196472/studio-denies-pattinson-spider-man-rumours.html

...and there you have it. I also doubt Sony is looking for yes man like some of the butthurt fanboys keep blabbering about.

[craigdbfan]

Still hoping Matthew Vaughn gets the gig. He has a sincere affinity towards the genre and would do wonders with Spidey.

Not a fan of any of Nimrods films. Vacancy was alright but nothing special.

[craigdbfan]

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[Sawyer]

Yeah, Nimrod doesnt sound like a good choice to me...

[Mace Dolex]

If I had to pick between Zac Efron and Robert Pattinson I'd go with Zac he's not as scrawny looking as Robert.

[Reikowolf]

I like the whole Agent of Shield confronting Peter scenerio.

[bapi]

I really don't believe that Raimi is working on Spidey reboot on any position... It wouldn't make any sense. And Antal is working on Predators so he won't have time if they want to start shooting this year...

[Heretic]

My thoughts on what is needed.

1. Create a universe that doesnt need to be rebooted again.
2. Dont rush into the same stories.
3. A Young Peter Parker should be nothing like The Dark Knight. What's weird is that they could have just had Tobey in a new movie that is dark, since the last one ended badly...starting over forces you to make it light and fluffy again.

So, here's my concept.

Amazing Spider-Man
Peter in high school. Maybe include the Daily Bugle and Curt Connors. No need for Harry Osborn or MJ (he doesnt meet them in the comics til college). The movie would start with a brief origin recap, then segue to now...with Peter looking for the guy that killed Uncle Ben. He also busts heads on mobster guys. You can hint about The Kingpin, and in the end debut Norman Osborn as the money-man behind the crime.

Amazing Spider-Man 2
Peter starts college where he meets Harry, MJ, Alistair Smithey, John Jameson and Gwen. J Jonah is ripping Spidey apart in editorials, and Norman hires Alistair's dad to create the Spider Slayers.

Amazing Spider-Man 3
Retell the Green Goblin story. This worries me, so maybe throw in a fun extra like Electro. This is the last of the fun Spidey movies, as you transition into a darker period. Ends badly...Gwen and Norman dead, you know the drill. John returns from the moon and this weird black substance ends up with Peter (and again, part of it ends up with Curt Connors).

Spider-Man: Kraven's Last Hunt
Start with the beginning of the Kid Who Collects Spider-Man story (to recap what has happened thus far since it's a new trilogy). Tell the Kraven story from the comic, but instead of Vermin, have Man Wolf as the other bad guy. After Peter gets shot and buried, the symbiote takes over and frees him. Man Wolf is in jail by the end, Kraven meets the same fate as in the comic. After that story, Spidey visits the Kid Who Collects Spider-Man and reveals his identity before the kid dies.

Spider-Man: The Sin Eater
Tell the basic Sin Eater story. You could have Daredevil, or replace him Black Cat, or have neither. Ends with Eddie Brock humiliated, and Peter realizing that the symbiote has taken over. Ends the way the original Spidey 3 should have ended, with Eddie becoming Venom.

Spider-Man: Venom
A proper Venom story. I'd have him attack Curt Connors to try to get his other piece back, ripping off his arm. Maybe give him a stooge in Cletus Cassidey (so Cassidey knows where to find it later). In the previous few films the supporting cast was left back a bit, but you can start bringing them in more, since Venom knows who Spider-Man cares about.

Spectacular Spider-Man
A return to a more fun vibe (again, with no need to reboot since the previous story ended on a better note). Peter and MJ romance can start since you've given plenty of room for grieving over Gwen. Officially introduce Kingpin who has risen to great power and influence since Osborn died. I'd want more fun villains though as the focal point...probably Vulture and Shocker or something.

Spectacular Spider-Man 2
Spidey cleans up a bunch of criminal goons like Tombstone and Boomerang to slowly further the Kingpin story. Maybe have Mysterio as the main villain.

Spectacular Spider-Man 3
Cletus Cassidey makes a deal with Kingpin about the venom remnants at Curt Connors lab. That begins Nothing Can Stop The Rhino (take-off of the classic Juggernaut story). Rhino gets the symbiote, and injures Connors, who transforms into The Lizard as a result. After dealing with The Lizard's issues, Spidey and The Lizard defeat Rhino...but Cletus is now Carnage, and Kingpin knows Spidey's secret identity.

Ultimate Spider-Man
Kingpin and Carnage spills the news to Harry Osborn, Alistair Smithey and they break Man-Wolf out of jail with the help of hired thug The Scorpion. The Sinister Six takes on Spidey (and The Lizard and even Daredevil or The Black cat if you chose to include them in the Sin Eater story) in one last brawl to end the series.

I'm not saying that any of these are good ideas....just trying to show how you can advance a story and change from fun to dark and back again (and even replace directors or actors if you have to) without washing away continuity and starting over.

[Rain Dog]

I just found out about the reboot last night. Really disappointed. I was hoping it wouldn't come to this.

[NinjaCarm]

The last guy I want helming the reboot of my favorite character is a guy named Nimrod, alright.... geeeshh.... and Raimi? Get lost.

[Rodrigo90]

I want teen/Spider-Man drama in there as well.

Peter looking for a job to help Aunt May with the bills.
The two of them discussing going to see a counsellor over Uncle Ben.
The teachers at the School becoming concerned that Peter is skipping classes.
Dr Connors becomes like a father to Peter after his wife and son have left (for a brief time) and finds out he is Spider-Man.
Peter being hooked up with Gwen and he juggles his new relationship.
Peter trying to be there for Harry,as he contemplates taking drugs because Norman is ignoring him.

Then...

Peter trying to save Dr Connors when he becomes The Lizard and ensuring both of their survival as they fall pray to the remorseless Hunter,Kraven. Ofcourse he doesnt want to get too battered up before the School Prom.

[spider-neil]

Speculation that the Twilight star could play Peter Parker was sparked after original actor Tobey Maguire departed the franchise earlier this week.



don't they mean sparkled? :awesome:

[War Party]

Man, I hope Vaughn directs this movie. Loved everything he's been involved in and I'm sure I'll love Kick-Ass too. I'm not opposed to Webb either. 500 Days of Summer was a very well directed movie. The guy has talent.

[Deaths Head II]

Vaughn is probably my #1 choice.

[Project862006]

vaughn has more experience is both areas while webb only in one area

[Chris B]

Late to the mix, but I just wanted to say that I have mixed thoughts on this. On one hand, I would've liked to see S-M4 as a proper send off to the Raimi universe, but on the other, the rumors floating around were pretty bad. I wouldn't have minded the Vulture, but I think they would've needed a more exiting villain to go along with him, and Black Cat wasn't going to do that.

That said, I'm keeping an open mind about the reboot.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Is the implication here that Sam Raimi is being kept on as a producer or consultant Thank god! I'm really happy that Sam is involved one way or another.

[Nathan]

As long as he doesn't give the new director any tips on how to direct Mary Jane and Peter Parker, I'd be fine with it.

[E-Man]

How about Hobgoblin for a villain? Green Goblin's appearance is so new that another origin wouldn't make too much sense, but since fans are familiar with him and his influence through three films, maybe they could use Hobgoblin to get their goblin fill in.

[Deaths Head II]

I think it would better to go with someone completely different from the Goblins and the symbiotes. Electro, Scorpion, Mysterio, Chameleon, Tombstone, Kraven, the Lizard...they have a lot of other new and different villains they haven't tried yet.

[HughJackFan420]

My thoughts on what is needed.

1. Create a universe that doesnt need to be rebooted again.
2. Dont rush into the same stories.
3. A Young Peter Parker should be nothing like The Dark Knight. What's weird is that they could have just had Tobey in a new movie that is dark, since the last one ended badly...starting over forces you to make it light and fluffy again.

So, here's my concept.

Amazing Spider-Man
Peter in high school. Maybe include the Daily Bugle and Curt Connors. No need for Harry Osborn or MJ (he doesnt meet them in the comics til college). The movie would start with a brief origin recap, then segue to now...with Peter looking for the guy that killed Uncle Ben. He also busts heads on mobster guys. You can hint about The Kingpin, and in the end debut Norman Osborn as the money-man behind the crime.

Amazing Spider-Man 2
Peter starts college where he meets Harry, MJ, Alistair Smithey, John Jameson and Gwen. J Jonah is ripping Spidey apart in editorials, and Norman hires Alistair's dad to create the Spider Slayers.

Amazing Spider-Man 3
Retell the Green Goblin story. This worries me, so maybe throw in a fun extra like Electro. This is the last of the fun Spidey movies, as you transition into a darker period. Ends badly...Gwen and Norman dead, you know the drill. John returns from the moon and this weird black substance ends up with Peter (and again, part of it ends up with Curt Connors).

Spider-Man: Kraven's Last Hunt
Start with the beginning of the Kid Who Collects Spider-Man story (to recap what has happened thus far since it's a new trilogy). Tell the Kraven story from the comic, but instead of Vermin, have Man Wolf as the other bad guy. After Peter gets shot and buried, the symbiote takes over and frees him. Man Wolf is in jail by the end, Kraven meets the same fate as in the comic. After that story, Spidey visits the Kid Who Collects Spider-Man and reveals his identity before the kid dies.

Spider-Man: The Sin Eater
Tell the basic Sin Eater story. You could have Daredevil, or replace him Black Cat, or have neither. Ends with Eddie Brock humiliated, and Peter realizing that the symbiote has taken over. Ends the way the original Spidey 3 should have ended, with Eddie becoming Venom.

Spider-Man: Venom
A proper Venom story. I'd have him attack Curt Connors to try to get his other piece back, ripping off his arm. Maybe give him a stooge in Cletus Cassidey (so Cassidey knows where to find it later). In the previous few films the supporting cast was left back a bit, but you can start bringing them in more, since Venom knows who Spider-Man cares about.

Spectacular Spider-Man
A return to a more fun vibe (again, with no need to reboot since the previous story ended on a better note). Peter and MJ romance can start since you've given plenty of room for grieving over Gwen. Officially introduce Kingpin who has risen to great power and influence since Osborn died. I'd want more fun villains though as the focal point...probably Vulture and Shocker or something.

Spectacular Spider-Man 2
Spidey cleans up a bunch of criminal goons like Tombstone and Boomerang to slowly further the Kingpin story. Maybe have Mysterio as the main villain.

Spectacular Spider-Man 3
Cletus Cassidey makes a deal with Kingpin about the venom remnants at Curt Connors lab. That begins Nothing Can Stop The Rhino (take-off of the classic Juggernaut story). Rhino gets the symbiote, and injures Connors, who transforms into The Lizard as a result. After dealing with The Lizard's issues, Spidey and The Lizard defeat Rhino...but Cletus is now Carnage, and Kingpin knows Spidey's secret identity.

Ultimate Spider-Man
Kingpin and Carnage spills the news to Harry Osborn, Alistair Smithey and they break Man-Wolf out of jail with the help of hired thug The Scorpion. The Sinister Six takes on Spidey (and The Lizard and even Daredevil or The Black cat if you chose to include them in the Sin Eater story) in one last brawl to end the series.

I'm not saying that any of these are good ideas....just trying to show how you can advance a story and change from fun to dark and back again (and even replace directors or actors if you have to) without washing away continuity and starting over.


mmmm :huh:naaahhh:nono:

Venom rips off Conners arm?? uh no but i do like the idea of taking the direction of the installments and aim it towards a Sinister 6 possibility.

[HughJackFan420]

I think it would better to go with someone completely different from the Goblins and the symbiotes. Electro, Scorpion, Mysterio, Chameleon, Tombstone, Kraven, the Lizard...they have a lot of other new and different villains they haven't tried yet.

agreed i would like Electro to be in the 1st one.

[XxDelta09xX]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a196472/studio-denies-pattinson-spider-man-rumours.html

This is some of the best news ever.:woot:

[night0205]

I don't know about you guys, but I loved 500 days of summer. The problem being; has the guy done any action? has the guy ever done anything so large? ...idk. We'll have to wait as see I guess.

[War Party]

I don't know about you guys, but I loved 500 days of summer. The problem being; has the guy done any action? has the guy ever done anything so large? ...idk. We'll have to wait as see I guess.

Not too concerned about that. Raimi never did anything so big when he took on Spider-Man. Same can be said for Nolan. Got to grow in some way as a director at some point.