Sony Rebooting Spider-Man for 2012!!!

[terry78]

I would do what Spectacular did and bring in Goblin later on, and foreshadow him.

[Nathan]

I would love if they drop hints of Goblin already existing, but you wouldn't show him.

[War Party]

Yeah, I would love to see Norman being set up in a first film and have him as Green Goblin for the second. I would like to see one of the lesser known villains get some screen time in the first film.

[Project862006]

Not too concerned about that. Raimi never did anything so big when he took on Spider-Man. Same can be said for Nolan. Got to grow in some way as a director at some point.

Raimi had the Evil Dead Trilogy & Darkman before spidey not blockbusters but some good films .Chris Nolan had memento and Insomnia before batman again not superhero films but excellent films.

500 Days of summer is not even in the same league

[Pythagoras]

Agreed. When I was a kid....I prayed for anything decent to be made about any comic book character (I was a kid in 1960's)....and these days movies and TV shows are being made about everyone....and all we hear is complaining and complaining and complaining.....

Its the era of complaining. Thats all people do these days and nothing about th issue. Must of suck in the 60s for comic book characters in the movies/tv department. I know a handful of people hated 1960s Batman show.

[War Party]

Raimi had the Evil Dead Trilogy & Darkman before spidey not blockbusters but some good films .Chris Nolan had memento and Insomnia before batman again not superhero films but excellent films.

500 Days of summer is not even in the same league

Well I was talking more about his comment about Webb never doing action. Raimi had some experience directing action scenes in Army of Darkness and Darkman. Nolan not so much.

[Heretic]

mmmm :huh:naaahhh:nono:

Venom rips off Conners arm?? uh no but i do like the idea of taking the direction of the installments and aim it towards a Sinister 6 possibility.

I admit, that was only in my outline (going against comic continuity) because of part 3 of the original run...given time to actually think about the concept, Id likely change half of what I wrote.

[War Party]

Man, it's nice to see some life again on the Spider-Man boards. Should be an interesting and fun two years talking about the movie with you guys.

[night0205]

Raimi has a lot more experience, as far as I know, I don't know webb, but Raimi has a lot more experience with action, sets, design, producing, ect.

[War Party]

My point was that you don't know what a director is capable of, unless they get the opportunity. All these action directors had to start somewhere, so I wouldn't mind seeing Webb get his shot. Still prefer Vaughn though.

[night0205]

I would rather have a director who can handle drama, and characters, and story, then action.

...but it would be good to have both.

[War Party]

I would rather have a director who can handle drama, and characters, and story, then action.

Agreed. Vaughn is capable of all those things. Just watch Layer Cake and Stardust. And from what I been reading Kick-Ass, pardon the pun, kicks a lot of ass.

[Rodrigo90]

I would rather have a director who can handle drama, and characters, and story, then action.

...but it would be good to have both.

James Cameron,my friend...James Cameron.:yay:

[[A]]

So we'd have a Spider-Man movie that we've seen before, but with a different name..?

[p4poetic]

And hopefully when we get a new Green Goblin, he wont look like a power ranger. :o

Is this some sort of meme out there that we must always say the Green Goblin looks like a power ranger?

[Spider-X]

James Cameron,my friend...James Cameron.:yay:

Cameron "scriptment"

Months later, James Cameron submitted an undated 47-page "scriptment" with an alternate story (the copyright registration was dated 1991), part screenplay, part narrative story outline.[24] The "scriptment" told the Spider-Man origin, but used variations on the comic book characters Electro and Sandman as villains. This "Electro" (named Carlton Strand, instead of Max Dillion) was a megalomaniacal parody of corrupt capitalists. Instead of Flint Marko's character, Cameron’s "Sandman" (simply named Boyd) is mutated by an accident involving Philadelphia Experiment-style bilocation and atom-mixing, in lieu of getting caught in a nuclear blast on a beach. The story climaxes with a battle atop the World Trade Center and had Peter Parker revealing his identity to Mary Jane Watson. In addition, the treatment was also heavy on profanity, and had Spider-Man and Mary Jane having sex.[25]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_%28film_series%29

[Blackman]

Cameron "scriptment"

Months later, James Cameron submitted an undated 47-page "scriptment" with an alternate story (the copyright registration was dated 1991), part screenplay, part narrative story outline.[24] The "scriptment" told the Spider-Man origin, but used variations on the comic book characters Electro and Sandman as villains. This "Electro" (named Carlton Strand, instead of Max Dillion) was a megalomaniacal parody of corrupt capitalists. Instead of Flint Marko's character, Cameron’s "Sandman" (simply named Boyd) is mutated by an accident involving Philadelphia Experiment-style bilocation and atom-mixing, in lieu of getting caught in a nuclear blast on a beach. The story climaxes with a battle atop the World Trade Center and had Peter Parker revealing his identity to Mary Jane Watson. In addition, the treatment was also heavy on profanity, and had Spider-Man and Mary Jane having sex.[25]

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_%28film_series%29
they forgot to say on a web

It made MJ seem like a hoe and Spidey like an a**hole

[NewYorkSpider]

Yeah, I would love to see Norman being set up in a first film and have him as Green Goblin for the second. I would like to see one of the lesser known villains get some screen time in the first film.

I would actually like to see Electro in the first movie. Then Lizard/Kraven for the second. Then they build up Norman/Green Goblin for the third.

[War Party]

I would actually like to see Electro in the first movie. Then Lizard/Kraven for the second. Then they build up Norman/Green Goblin for the third.

That would work too.

[Alex Logan]

marvel is as involved as they have been with x men

It's still their property. They sold a licence to Sony to make films about Spiderman and that licence must have limits. If not, and Sony can do whatever they want as long as they make a film every few years, then some Marvel Executives need to be fired.

[Venom 1988]

I would actually like to see Electro in the first movie. Then Lizard/Kraven for the second. Then they build up Norman/Green Goblin for the third.

I like this idea actually :up:

[batman11]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but I don't really feel like going through 80 pages to find it. Anyhow, has there been any information/speculation of whether Raimi was actually offered the reboot? I wonder if, after the idea for Spider-Man 4 was rejected, Sony told him that they had a reboot idea ready and gave him the choice to direct it. Personally I doubt it almost 100%, but nevertheless, it's neat to think about it. I don't know if this has been discussed, but I think it's an interesting point to bring up: what if a franchise was rebooted, yet with the same director? Fresh start? Clean slate? Same mistakes? Zero interest?

[Alex Logan]

I would actually like to see Electro in the first movie. Then Lizard/Kraven for the second. Then they build up Norman/Green Goblin for the third.

This is good idea.

Here's something I found on another site:

"Spiderman 4 seemed like an easy fix to me. You have a serial killer on the loose. He breaks into Doc Connors lab to steal some equipment. Spiderman interupts. In the process Connors is caught in a chemical explosion or something and is turned into the lizard. The would-be thief comes into contact with the symbiote sample that was left, turns into Carnage. Lizard blames Spiderman for his condition, seeks revenge. Carnage is just plain psycho. The two team up. Meanwhile, have a flashback that shows Venom miraculously regenerating from the incinerated pool of ooze (preferably now bigger, stronger, and with a new actor) from the third film. He and Spiderman team up to take out Lizard in Carnage. They succeed, go their separate ways, allowing for the Venom spinoff. Also meanwhile, we have a new character stumbling upon the Osborn family legacy and hinting at the Hobgoblin in the 5th film, and also perhaps a visit from Nick Fury.

And voila! Spiderman series back on track. Venom sequel already in pre-production. Sony, you can send my check in the mail."

[DJ Fate]

Cameron is a genius but i don't know why he would think that would work for a spiderman story, maybe for a punisher movie but not spiderman

[JustABill]

And you guys really though Sony was dumb enough to believe those Pattinson rumors. I told you all it was BS. :o

[Pythagoras]

they forgot to say on a web

It made MJ seem like a hoe and Spidey like an a**hole

All man would I had love to see that movie ahahaha. Ton of profanity what the heck man it was gonan be a Rated R movie. Seem like a Frank Miller style Spiderman.

[roach]

This is good idea.

Here's something I found on another site:

"Spiderman 4 seemed like an easy fix to me. You have a serial killer on the loose. He breaks into Doc Connors lab to steal some equipment. Spiderman interupts. In the process Connors is caught in a chemical explosion or something and is turned into the lizard. The would-be thief comes into contact with the symbiote sample that was left, turns into Carnage. Lizard blames Spiderman for his condition, seeks revenge. Carnage is just plain psycho. The two team up. Meanwhile, have a flashback that shows Venom miraculously regenerating from the incinerated pool of ooze (preferably now bigger, stronger, and with a new actor) from the third film. He and Spiderman team up to take out Lizard in Carnage. They succeed, go their separate ways, allowing for the Venom spinoff. Also meanwhile, we have a new character stumbling upon the Osborn family legacy and hinting at the Hobgoblin in the 5th film, and also perhaps a visit from Nick Fury.

And voila! Spiderman series back on track. Venom sequel already in pre-production. Sony, you can send my check in the mail."

see this is the thing about Movie Producers. You create 3 films that gross millions and they step in to squash the same creativity that made them money.

[p4poetic]

;17933883']http://chud.com/articles/articles/22113/1/THE-DEVIN039S-ADVOCATE-TWILIGHT-FOR-SPIDER-MAN-AND-HOLLYWOOD/Page1.html

This article assumes a lot...

So we'll get a dreamier Peter Parker, that's almost for sure. And we'll probably spend more time with his romantic life than we had previously, although Sony (probably) isn't so dumb as to lose the action focus (anyway, girls go to action movies these days. You just can't get the boys to go to Twilight).

oh whatever :doh: :whatever:

[E-Man]

I think it would better to go with someone completely different from the Goblins and the symbiotes. Electro, Scorpion, Mysterio, Chameleon, Tombstone, Kraven, the Lizard...they have a lot of other new and different villains they haven't tried yet.

Hey I'm with you on that one. Spider-man has such a wide rouge's gallery. I love Green Goblin and Hobgobby, but I do want to see some of the names you listed more. Kraven is probably my biggest want, because they can really pull that off big time with the right direction.

[roach]

If Green Goblin glistens in sunlight im gonna be mad

[sauronthegreat]

I had an idea earlier that if they gonna reboot this franchise this early I would like the first film to be with the Lizard. After the first trilogy, and decades of comics, everyone knows how Spider-Man became what he is. So I would go with a more direct approach where Peter has been already bitten by the spider and slowly developing his powers.

I believe the Lizard would be most suitable for the start film, because it would deal with the theme of transformation and mutation. Curt Connors' transformation into the monster would go along with Spidey's flashback of his origin. The fear of losing a friend and a mentor would bring even more to the drama while the fear of becoming a monster, just like the Lizard, would bring much to the seriousness of the tone of the film. Peter will deal with his own demons in fear of becoming a Spider, just like the Lizard, alienating himself from the people who care for him and love him. That way he would understand what a family means, what uncle Ben really meant to him, what aunt May and Gwen mean to him. In the end he will overcome these fears and take the responsibility of being a hero.

Kraven would fit perfectly well in this story as a truly determined and careless guy who selfishly hunts his pray and doesn't care if somebody gets hurt. Also Kraven will experiment on himself with serums which enhance his abilities, but drive him more and more insane and determined to finish his job by whatever means necessary.

[JustABill]

How can we spend more time with his romantic life than we did with Raimi's films? Raimi's films WERE about his romantic life. ALL about them. We had more romance than action.

[DJ Fate]

If i have a request for a reboot for the first movie it's to have a truly evil villain, (i.e. green goblin went insane because of smoke substance, doc ock insane cause of titanium arms, sandman wants money to cure daughter accidentally killed uncle ben and venom who appears in last 15 minutes to exact revenge for losing his job and a girl he liked) and to not have his romantic interest kidnapped to set up the climax.

[p4poetic]

The EW comments are ridiculous... "Ugh, no more Tobey Maguire? I'm so done with Spider-Man." :dry:

Uh, I for one find it refreshing to see positive comments about Tobey Maguire. So tired of the bashing. Even from the fans.

[DJ Fate]

How can we spend more time with his romantic life than we did with Raimi's films? Raimi's films WERE about his romantic life. ALL about them. We had more romance than action.

Well his first line in the first movie is "this, like any story worth telling, is all about a girl, that girl, the girl next door, Mary Jane Watson"

Don't say you didn't get a fair warning

[JustABill]

And that's fine, but, the movie is called 'Spider-Man." Not ''Peter Parker."

[roach]

How can we spend more time with his romantic life than we did with Raimi's films? Raimi's films WERE about his romantic life. ALL about them. We had more romance than action.

why do you think they are setting the movie in high school...they are gonna try to WB Spider-man.

[sauronthegreat]

And that's fine, but, the movie is called 'Spider-Man." Not ''Peter Parker."

The movie was more 'Tobey Maguire' than 'Peter Parker'.

[JustABill]

why do you think they are setting the movie in high school...they are gonna try to WB Spider-man.
:rolleyes: You...guys...have...just...lost..it. Absolutely...lost it.

[roach]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but I don't really feel like going through 80 pages to find it. Anyhow, has there been any information/speculation of whether Raimi was actually offered the reboot? I wonder if, after the idea for Spider-Man 4 was rejected, Sony told him that they had a reboot idea ready and gave him the choice to direct it. Personally I doubt it almost 100%, but nevertheless, it's neat to think about it. I don't know if this has been discussed, but I think it's an interesting point to bring up: what if a franchise was rebooted, yet with the same director? Fresh start? Clean slate? Same mistakes? Zero interest?

i dont think they offered it to him.. I think He wanted to do it one way and Sony wanted it another and Raimi and company walked...I find it funny that they had a script all ready to go

[E-Man]

see this is the thing about Movie Producers. You create 3 films that gross millions and they step in to squash the same creativity that made them money.

Which is why rebooting the franchise baffles me. You're talking about the highest grossing comic franchise besides Batman, and yet you want to restart everything when you have a willing director and star? It doesn't really make sense either way you slice it.

[DJ Fate]

Thank god Disney doesn't have the rights to Spider-man or else it would High School Musical with Spider-man

[roach]

:rolleyes: You...guys...have...just...lost..it. Absolutely...lost it.

This week on Forest Hills

[DJ Fate]

you thought sony and fox execs were bad when they stepped in with their changes, i'm scared to death or what disney execs will do. I can't wait for that ghost rider donald duck movie

Venom meets Hannah Montanna

Avengers vs. the jonas brothers

[sauronthegreat]

Thank god Disney doesn't have the rights to Spider-man or else it would High School Musical with Spider-man

Well Raimi's SM3 wasn't HighSchool, but it surely had it's musical moments.

[roach]

Which is why rebooting the franchise baffles me. You're talking about the highest grossing comic franchise besides Batman, and yet you want to restart everything when you have a willing director and star? It doesn't really make sense either way you slice it.

its Sony's way or the high way

[DJ Fate]

Well Raimi's SM3 wasn't HighSchool, but it surely had it's musical moments.

very true, didn't mary jane even sing in that one lol

[JustABill]

you thought sony and fox execs were bad when they stepped in with their changes, i'm scared to death or what disney execs will do. I can't wait for that ghost rider donald duck movie

Venom meets Hannah Montanna
:doh:

Disney owning Marvel is not going to bring these things about. I thought people like you died out about 2 months ago when things got explained about that deal. :doh:

[sauronthegreat]

very true, didn't mary jane even sing in that one lol

Oh yes she did, Kirsten sang very passionately.

Mary Jane I hope we'll see in a future film.

[p4poetic]

He ain't that good looking. And it ain't like Peter in the comics is butt-ugly or anything. He's a wallflower sure, but no futher than that. And in character he's a nerd.

Also, have you seen Franco in Pineapple Express? He can be unattractive when he wants to be.

No one is saying Maguire is butt ugly. But he's not a GQ pin up like Franco, who bares a striking resemblance to James Dean, either.

Re: Pineapple Express. With that awful wig, which is a hairstyle Peter wouldn't be wearing, doesn't count.

[DJ Fate]

:doh:

Disney owning Marvel is not going to bring these things about. I thought people like you died out about 2 months ago when things got explained about that deal. :doh:

Yea i guess my jokes are a little late but i'm at work and i'm bored. I still don't trust Disney though, I mean last month everybody in the world thought for sure we were going to get Spider-man 4. Everybody thought for Sure Conan was gonna be on the Tonight Show for the next 10 years at least. These studios aren't always true to their word.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well Raimi's SM3 wasn't HighSchool, but it surely had it's musical moments. Which I didn't have a problem with. Tbh, i found the dancing scenes to be quite funny. That's what they were supposed to be.

[JustABill]

Well, Batman and Robin's scenes were suppose to be funny, doesn't make them good. :o

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well, Batman and Robin's scenes were suppose to be funny, doesn't make them good. :o But Batman and Robin was a mess before it even came out.

S-M3 had a few minutes of dancing. So, what? It was fun.

[Jahu-Momus]

And about the whole Disney thing, it's not going to get bad...yet. Honestly, they are looking at this to get boys into their marketing stream, which is okay, until the "lesser" known characters Marvel wants to push don't make Iron Man like surprises. I'm not saying they won't, but if they do not do well box office wise, I'm sure Disney's going to speak up

[batman11]

But Batman and Robin was a mess before it even came out.

To be fair, SM3 had it's fair share of internal problems before it came out as well. That said, I'm not sure why you deemed that point relevant to the topic of humor in a film...

[rocco2216]

But Batman and Robin was a mess before it even came out.

S-M3 had a few minutes of dancing. So, what? It was fun.


Spider-man 3 was a mess too lol. It was more than a few minutes of dancing and if you found it fun, well whatever floats your boat. I don't know why everyone is making up excuses for Sam Raimi. I think he's a great director and I respect him but still. But you loved his movies. That's fine. Now we can have a new group of Spider-Man movies to cherish. :word:

[Ipodman]

To me, the dancing in SM3 was like the scene in Batman Forever when Dick drove the Batmobile...

[louiebling$]

But Batman and Robin was a mess before it even came out.

S-M3 had a few minutes of dancing. So, what? It was fun.
No they were not fun...... it was beyond cringe worthy. I went to the midnight showing and I was so pissed I almost went and got my money back. I could watch HSM and be ok..... Raimi should never try to do dance numbers... EVER.

[rocco2216]

No they were not fun...... it was beyond cringe worthy. I went to the midnight showing and I was so pissed I almost went and got my money back. I could watch HSM and be ok..... Raimi should never try to do dance numbers... EVER.

There were even some things in the first two that were cringe worthy.

[JustABill]

Yeah, I was just embarassed to be watching the movie once all the dancing started.

Spider-Man 3 made The Last Stand look like a masterpiece (at least it made sense storywise and really never had an ''embarassing moment" in it.)

[DJ Fate]

Yeah, I was just embarassed to be watching the movie once all the dancing started.

Spider-Man 3 made The Last Stand look like a masterpiece (at least it made sense storywise and really never had an ''embarassing moment" in it.)

Killing off half the cast is more than an embarrassing moment. Go ahead and rip SM3 all you want but at least it seemed like the people behind the project cared and tried to do the best they could. X-men 3 was a joke, lets just kill people off to advance the story. Hire a director that will get the movie done fast, replace the old cast with new cast members with a cheaper pay check. It goes on and on with that movie.

[Deaths Head II]

I think S3 is worse as an overall film then X3, but I dislike X3 waaaaay more.

[DJ Fate]

Don't get me wrong i enjoy X3 for what it was but SM3 seemed like it tried to give you everything and failed while X3 just tried to give you the minimum

[Eggyman]

Late to the game.

I'm excited about this news. I love 1 and 2, and no one can ever take them away from the fans... so now we have the pleasure of getting a new direction with a whole new bag of possibilities. Raimi's films are great - 'cept 3 - but with the tone he set it was never going to be easy making multiple films in a franchise. 1 was practice, 2 was the polish, and 3 was proof that cabaret isn't for everyone.

Without meaning any disrespect to Raimi, I can't wait to see a new vision.

[JustABill]

Killing off half the cast isn't what I call embarrassing it just felt more infuriating than embarrassing, and I'd rather get that reaction out of a movie than being embarrassed to even be in the theater watching the movie.

[DJ Fate]

Killing off half the cast isn't what I call embarrassing it just felt more infuriating than embarrassing, and I'd rather get that reaction out of a movie than being embarrassed to even be in the theater watching the movie.

Sorry for getting off topic but i'm all for killing off characters, it just seemed the way they did it was to cut budget. giving cyclops 5 minutes in the third movie, killing prof x half way through, mystique limited to a cameo, replacing rogue with kitty pride and making rogue almost worthless in the movie, Colossus having barely any screentime in metal mode. Angel being pretty much worthless. Gah that movie could have been so much better. Spider-man 3 seems like they went all out to me.

I would have personally like to have seen Spider-man 4 but am ok with a reboot as long as they dont cast anybody as Spider-man simply cause he'll bring in the female demo graph.

[JustABill]

Professor Xavier was a great scene, he was the only one of the deaths that felt necessary.

Marsden was the studio getting back at him for choosing to do Returns with Singer. The others were all story driven decisions by the screenplay writer and Ratner. Still non of that is as terrible as dancing Spider-Man, incoherent Sandman and Venom plotlines.

Spider-Man 3 is a f'in trainwreck.

[Dr.Dude]

The thing that gets me is this...

While I'm completely opposed to the idea of a reboot in general, let's just say that it turns out great--I'm pessimistic, myself but anything's possible. Let's say it's great enough that it even gets its own sequel or two.

But what about when that new director quits, or gets in arguments with the studio or what have you? Then we jump right back to square one.

It hasn't even been 10 years since we last saw Spidey's origin. How are we supposed to get emotionally involved in this new take if we know it's just going to be rebooted again in 10, hell, at this rate, even five years down the line? Are we just going to go in an endless loop, retelling the same origin story over and over again instead of ever truly progressing forward?

[JustABill]

James Bond is a perfect example of an eternally looping film franchise. Every James Bond movie is essentially the same when you get down to the thick of things.

James Bond is a suave secret agent who saves the world from some dastardly insane plan by a kooky villain while banging numerous girls along the way.

Doctor Who is the same way aswell. Alien travels in his time machine with a human companion righting wrongs in time and space.

Looping franchises can be a good thing, y'know?

[Eggyman]

The thing that gets me is this...

While I'm completely opposed to the idea of a reboot in general, let's just say that it turns out great--I'm pessimistic, myself but anything's possible. Let's say it's great enough that it even gets its own sequel or two.

But what about when that new director quits, or gets in arguments with the studio or what have you? Then we jump right back to square one.

It hasn't even been 10 years since we last saw Spidey's origin. How are we supposed to get emotionally involved in this new take if we know it's just going to be rebooted again in 10, hell, at this rate, even five years down the line? Are we just going to go in an endless loop, retelling the same origin story over and over again instead of ever truly progressing forward?

I'm guessing at some point they'll have to stop making Spidey films for a while, or change the formula; like the Bond franchise... one-offs with no overlapping arcs, stand-alone pieces of art that are ballsy enough to stand on their own two feet with their own vision and tone - like graphic novels on film.

Edit: Billy boy is thinking similar, I see.

[DJ Fate]

The thing that gets me is this...

While I'm completely opposed to the idea of a reboot in general, let's just say that it turns out great--I'm pessimistic, myself but anything's possible. Let's say it's great enough that it even gets its own sequel or two.

But what about when that new director quits, or gets in arguments with the studio or what have you? Then we jump right back to square one.

It hasn't even been 10 years since we last saw Spidey's origin. How are we supposed to get emotionally involved in this new take if we know it's just going to be rebooted again in 10, hell, at this rate, even five years down the line? Are we just going to go in an endless loop, retelling the same origin story over and over again instead of ever truly progressing forward?

I agree 100%, this is kinda a new era for comic book movies where we are gonna see a few reboots of franchises. If a new spider-man fails are they gonna reboot again? Are we gonna see reboots until they can create a sequel to see if that can spawn another sequel and so forth until one fails then reboot again.

I would rather see them just kinda keep the story a little separate with minimum continually so the storyis new and doesnt feel like a reboot everytime so when it's time for new actors and whatever it's not a complete remix of the franchise. Something that can model after bond series. But even the bond movies are following a trilogy formula now

[JustABill]

If this Spider-Man fails, you can guarantee Sony won't touch it and the rights will revert back to Marvel.

[DJ Fate]

I'm guessing at some point they'll have to stop making Spidey films for a while, or change the formula; like the Bond franchise... one-offs with no overlapping arcs, stand-alone pieces of art that are ballsy enough to stand on their own two feet with their own vision and tone - like graphic novels on film.

Edit: Billy boy is thinking similar, I see.

The big problem is the movie studios can't do without putting out a movie like this every 3 years or faster. Most blockbusters now are comic book movies, 80's shows, old novels. When you have a movie thats guaranteed to do 300 mil domestic everytime you put it out your not gonna put it on hiatus. Of course WB has been taking some time doing anything with a new batman or superman. Thats the one oddball studio.

[JustABill]

Warner Brothers could have a superhero film out ever year just like Marvel if they'd get off their ass and realize DC has more superheroes to offer than Batman and Superman.

It's an effin miracle Green Lantern's gotten as far into production as it has.

[DJ Fate]

I don't think you'll see many of these franchises reverting back to marvel, when they have a character thats been popular for the last 50 years and you can make endless stories on them i think they will most likely try to maintain the rights. The only way these franchises revert back is if the characters become worthless or they only have them til a certain future date.

[Eggyman]

The big problem is the movie studios can't do without putting out a movie like this every 3 years or faster. Most blockbusters now are comic book movies, 80's shows, old novels. When you have a movie thats guaranteed to do 300 mil domestic everytime you put it out your not gonna put it on hiatus. Of course WB has been taking some time doing anything with a new batman or superman. Thats the one oddball studio.

O I agree, now they've got the taste for it... that's why I think it's likely that eventually they go the Bond route at some point.

[JustABill]

If Sony fails at bringing in bank at the box office with this or future Spidey films? YOu can guarantee they will not be attempting more films. Therefore their contract will be up and they will lose the rights to Spidey.

The one we have to worry about prying away from a studio is X-Men. I think Fox owns it forever, seriously. :(

[spider-neil]

If Sony fails at bringing in bank at the box office with this or future Spidey films? YOu can guarantee they will not be attempting more films. Therefore their contract will be up and they will lose the rights to Spidey.

The one we have to worry about prying away from a studio is X-Men. I think Fox owns it forever, seriously. :(


there will always be spidey movies. the only reason we never saw one before te 00's was litgation and technology.

spidey will also always attract the top talent because because loads of actors and directors are actually fans, cameron being the obvious one.

[JustABill]

Batman was once in Spider-Man's same position and it took him years to get back to his current status thanks to Forever and B&R. The same could easily happen to Spider-Man. It's NOT impossible.

[night0205]

Actually, batman has more incarnations on film, tv, and animation, then I think anything else I can think of.

[spider-neil]

Actually, batman has more incarnations on film, tv, and animation, then I think anything else I can think of.

superman
batman
spiderman

are the only heroes I can think of that have appeared in;
comics
newspaper strips
radio
tv
animations
movies

actually the hulk has as well (not sure if he has appeared on radio).

[ultimatefan]

My personal mandates:

Don´t throw away everything Raimi did - Raimi got a lot more right than a lot of fanboys will give him credit for. The most important thing that got the frahnchise as far as it went is, make the audience relate to and care for Peter. Of course that doesn´t mean all that crying s***. but still, he has to remain a human being who has real problems like money and school besides fighting crime and wanting the girl. That´s more important than all the wisecracks in the world.

Don´t focus too much on the origin - The origin was well told in the first movie and it´s still fresh in people´s minds. There´s absolutely no need to spend another forty minutes/one hour recounting how Peter became Spidey. A short montage on the credits, with maybe a few minor tweaks on the origin, and a couple brief mentions, like in The Incredible Hulk, is more than enough.

Don´t make it "dark and gritty" just to cash on the success of The Dark Knight - Because it works for Batman doesn´t mean it works for every superhero.

Avoid excess of villains and characters- The overstuffing of villains and love triangles was one of the main problems with SM3, and you almost did the same with SM4. Before trying to sell more toys, make people enjoy the movie first.

Improve on the areas that the original franchise didn´t get quite right - Yeah, more wisecracks, maybe a hotter and sassier MJ - but still a rich character played by a good actress, not the f***ing Megan Fox bimbo in Transformers -, you don´t need me for that, that b****ing is all over the boards.

Get a quality director - What makes the best franchises is a filmmaker with a true vision like a Chris Nolan or a Peter Jackson, not some hack who just knows how to shoot explosions.

Cast quality actors, not the latest "hip" teen stars - I´d rather see Tobey Maguire recast all over again than some pretty boy from the Twilight or High School Musical series.

Shoot in IMAX 3-D - That´s the future, and Spidey can thrive on screen with these formats.

[Brimay]

I know this news is 4 days old but, just heard of it today and i'm completely disgusted. And even hearing rumours of that twilight c^nt being casted in the reboot already makes me sick.
The perfect comic book movie ruind by the 3rd film and complications.
Reminds me of hulk and wating 5 years to get a piece of ***** like the incredible hulk! I hate reboots! :cmad:


Rant over.

[Ace of Knaves]

The c*** from Twilight isn't involved. It was a rumour cooked up by movie websites (inevitably i might add) and Sony came out and debunked it.

[Nathan]

The current Movies were far from perfect. The Movie Peter parker/Spider-Man barely scraped the surface of the comics, he was really tame and toned down. Barely any jokes, awkward throughout the Movies, his smarts and ingenuity never shined through, gadgets in forms of webshooters or spider tracers were nonexistent.

This is a opportunity to get it right, and I welcome it. It could also turn out to be a distaster, but I'm willing to give it a chance first.

[JustABill]

Nathan, did you happen to make your avatar? If so can I ask you a favor?

[spider-neil]

The c*** from Twilight isn't involved. It was a rumour cooked up by movie websites (inevitably i might add) and Sony came out and debunked it.


it should be noted that sony always move quickly to debunk rumours that aren't true.

rumour - SM4 is on hold
* spidey come out with a statement*

rumour - SM4 will have vulture and vultress
*tumbleweed blows through*

rumour - twilight star is PP
* spidey come out with a statement*

[Nathan]

Nathan, did you happen to make your avatar? If so can I ask you a favor?

Ask away.

[JustABill]

Ask away.
Well, at yours and Neil's recommendation I've been checking out Spectacular Spider-Man on Youtube and there's a moment in Episode 8...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3EjEbTxMyM

Right around 2:08 to the point they land, Spider-Man swings in and saves Mary Jane and Gwen I want a shot of him swinging while holding them both as my avatar. Maybe just a repeated loop of him holding them while Gwen and MJ's hair blows?

PS: I effin adore this show. I can't stop watching it.

[Brimay]

The current Movies were far from perfect. The Movie Peter parker/Spider-Man barely scraped the surface of the comics, he was really tame and toned down. Barely any jokes, awkward throughout the Movies, his smarts and ingenuity never shined through, gadgets in forms of webshooters or spider tracers were nonexistent.

This is a opportunity to get it right, and I welcome it. It could also turn out to be a distaster, but I'm willing to give it a chance first.


Since i am a ditko fan the absolute perfect spiderman movie would be everything he did in the comics. Except the fantastic 4 part in issue 1.
But i remember how good spiderman 1 was when it came out, i would never of dreamed to see somthing this good. You can't always have everything you want in a movie but atleast for the most part sam got it right the first 2 times in my opinion.

[Nathan]

Ok, I made 3 different ones, so you can choose the distance that you prefer.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5434/avatar01.gif (http://img513.imageshack.us/i/avatar01.gif/)

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/2448/avatar02.gif (http://img251.imageshack.us/i/avatar02.gif/)

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/7696/avatar03j.gif (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/avatar03j.gif/)

[JustABill]

I'll be taking that last one. Thank you VERY much. You rock, good sir. :D

[craigdbfan]

Well, at yours and Neil's recommendation I've been checking out Spectacular Spider-Man on Youtube and there's a moment in Episode 8...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3EjEbTxMyM

Right around 2:08 to the point they land, Spider-Man swings in and saves Mary Jane and Gwen I want a shot of him swinging while holding them both as my avatar. Maybe just a repeated loop of him holding them while Gwen and MJ's hair blows?

PS: I effin adore this show. I can't stop watching it.

Its pretty fantastic.

In the middle of Blueprints. Mysterio is just to damn awesome.

One my favorite introductions to a villain second to the GG.

[JustABill]

Its pretty fantastic.

In the middle of Blueprints. Mysterio is just to damn awesome.

One my favorite introductions to a villain second to the GG.
Oooooh. I'll be looking forward to that. Mysterio's a personal favorite of mine. :D

[Nathan]

I made a slight adjustment. Removed 1 frame, because I noticed that it's freezing for like a millisecond, because of the start and end of the loop having 2 similar frames. What can I say, I'm a small perfectionist.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4391/avatar04.gif (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/avatar04.gif/)

[ultimatefan]

By the way, is there any confirmation that SSm will get a season 3?

[JustABill]

I made a slight adjustment. Removed 1 frame, because I noticed that it's freezing for like a millisecond, because of the start and end of the loop having 2 similar frames. What can I say, I'm a small perfectionist.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4391/avatar04.gif (http://img39.imageshack.us/i/avatar04.gif/)
Wearing it now, Mr. Perfectionist. :p

[Daybreak_st]

I agree 100%, this is kinda a new era for comic book movies where we are gonna see a few reboots of franchises. If a new spider-man fails are they gonna reboot again? Are we gonna see reboots until they can create a sequel to see if that can spawn another sequel and so forth until one fails then reboot again.

I would rather see them just kinda keep the story a little separate with minimum continually so the storyis new and doesnt feel like a reboot everytime so when it's time for new actors and whatever it's not a complete remix of the franchise. Something that can model after bond series. But even the bond movies are following a trilogy formula now


I totally agree. It's silly to reboot when you could just move forward with only vague reference to the past films. Every hero builds a history, why remove that history only to retell it every few years. I don't think anyone is arguing that the franchise needs some new life, and while i wasn't really excited about spidey 4 i do think moving everything forward makes more sense than starting from ground zero. At least then the story isn't redundant.

I feel like Raimi told his story well but it's time to move on. I don't see his spidey 4 as really needing to be told perse, he did a nice job with tying up loose ends in 3 and also leaving it open for more. A new film, with a new director and principle actors that moves away from the previous storyline would've been welcome (at least for me). Just make MJ move to hollywood to pursue her career, have pete still in college in New York as established spidey and there you go. Fresh start, move forward not backwards.

Either way please have Brian Michael Benids involved in some capacity, the guy writes fantastic witty spidey dialogue and has the unique ability to write spidey for various media, video game, ultimate spidey comics, and the mtv spidey show. Dude could write an amazing film imho.

[sauronthegreat]

I totally agree. It's silly to reboot when you could just move forward with only vague reference to the past films. Every hero builds a history, why remove that history only to retell it every few years. I don't think anyone is arguing that the franchise needs some new life, and while i wasn't really excited about spidey 4 i do think moving everything forward makes more sense than starting from ground zero. At least then the story isn't redundant.

I feel like Raimi told his story well but it's time to move on. I don't see his spidey 4 as really needing to be told perse, he did a nice job with tying up loose ends in 3 and also leaving it open for more. A new film, with a new director and principle actors that moves away from the previous storyline would've been welcome (at least for me). Just make MJ move to hollywood to pursue her career, have pete still in college in New York as established spidey and there you go. Fresh start, move forward not backwards.

I agree for the part that Raimi told his story. That was his story and he finished it with every film. But how could you countinue that vision on? If Spider-Man 4 would have come out it would have just concluded all the things left in the open, with a potential marriage and then what? Norman is dead, Harry is dead, Octopus is dead, Venom is dead.. yes there are a lot of villains left but the main ones were done and finished. Even characters like Gwen and John Jameson served their purpuse for a single film without possibility of returning.

[Hannibal Smith]

I think it can be good and bad at same time. If they are going for the look of the newest spider man cartoon then it makes since. But i heard people are afraid they will make it Twilight on webs.

[BlackLantern]

By the way, is there any confirmation that SSm will get a season 3?

not as of yet

[Daybreak_st]

I agree for the part that Raimi told his story. That was his story and he finished it with every film. But how could you countinue that vision on? If Spider-Man 4 would have come out it would have just concluded all the things left in the open, with a potential marriage and then what? Norman is dead, Harry is dead, Octopus is dead, Venom is dead.. yes there are a lot of villains left but the main ones were done and finished. Even characters like Gwen and John Jameson served their purpuse for a single film without possibility of returning.


I guess i don't quite understand what you're saying in the later part of your post. My primary point was that every character has a history. Nothing wrong with acknowledging that the first three films happened. Then just move forward. that basically means, pete is already spider-man, mj has left the picture and yes harry is dead, fine. Spidey has a 60 year history full of great supporting characters. You don't need MJ or harry to have a spidey movie. They were a part of Raimi's storyline, fine, great, but a new director has plenty to work with without those characters too. MJ and pete arent even married in the comics anymore, so why force it in a movie.

You could easily move forward with electro, the lizard, a new venom, carnage, rhino, any number of good characers. He's also had plenty of love interests outside of MJ. what about liz allen, gwen stacy (who was only in spidey 3 for like a minute), betty brant, plenty to work with there. Just saying starting from scratch they can fix a lot of things, or they might just repeat some mistakes, especially if they decide to focus again on mj, and harry instead some of the other supporting characters.

If the whole point was to give spidey a fresh start you could easily have done that with a new director and cast, set the story a year or two after spidey 3, leave out mj and go.

[Daybreak_st]

Even in the case of Incredible Hulk, i thought it was a nice soft reboot. Personally i can see it as just a sequel to the first movie. They don't waste time with his origin really, they a little in flashbacks which is the only way you (as a member of the audience) can see that things happened differently than in ang lee's movie. Otherwise everything picks up with him being on the run in south america just like the other movie ended.

Basically reads as a sequel by not retreading the origin. Spidey could've used the same treatement. Just my opinion. And like someone else said, does this mean that every three movies they'll reboot again? Seems silly.

[sauronthegreat]

What I was saying is that Raimi's vision cannot be expanded and built upon so easily. He deals with characters and events just for the purpose of one film. He is not seeing the big picture and creating a universe within a film that can continue on. There is not a single villain left that could be ever present. Not as a super villain in costume, but as a character. Again we could have ended up with a experiment that went bad and created the villain, but I think that formula would not have worked anymore. What I was saying is that Raimi's version of MJ, Peter, JJ, and Gwen were not those as we know from the 40 year old history of comics. They served their purpose while Raimi was helming the project, but now it's difficult to approach them and continue with their stories. It's best if the trilogy end's with Raimi, or we could get another Superman Returns, a good film maybe, but not fitting.

[sdc10]

What I was saying is that Raimi's vision cannot be expanded and built upon so easily. He deals with characters and events just for the purpose of one film. He is not seeing the big picture and creating a universe within a film that can continue on. There is not a single villain left that could be ever present. Not as a super villain in costume, but as a character. Again we could have ended up with a experiment that went bad and created the villain, but I think that formula would not have worked anymore. What I was saying is that Raimi's version of MJ, Peter, JJ, and Gwen were not those as we know from the 40 year old history of comics. They served their purpose while Raimi was helming the project, but now it's difficult to approach them and continue with their stories. It's best if the trilogy end's with Raimi, or we could get another Superman Returns, a good film maybe, but not fitting.

well said

[sauronthegreat]

well said

:up: thanks

[Daybreak_st]

What I was saying is that Raimi's vision cannot be expanded and built upon so easily. He deals with characters and events just for the purpose of one film. He is not seeing the big picture and creating a universe within a film that can continue on. There is not a single villain left that could be ever present. Not as a super villain in costume, but as a character. Again we could have ended up with a experiment that went bad and created the villain, but I think that formula would not have worked anymore. What I was saying is that Raimi's version of MJ, Peter, JJ, and Gwen were not those as we know from the 40 year old history of comics. They served their purpose while Raimi was helming the project, but now it's difficult to approach them and continue with their stories. It's best if the trilogy end's with Raimi, or we could get another Superman Returns, a good film maybe, but not fitting.

I guess i can see what you're saying, the last thing we need is another Superman Returns.

[Spider-ManHero12]

No they were not fun...... it was beyond cringe worthy. I went to the midnight showing and I was so pissed I almost went and got my money back. I could watch HSM and be ok..... Raimi should never try to do dance numbers... EVER. Wow, for just a few minutes of comedy? IMO, it was funny. I mean, it's not like it lasted for the whole film.

[TruerToTheCore]

I am very glad about this. Raimi's Spider-Man was bad. And people have to see the light.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Raimi's Spider-Man was bad. In your opinion.

[Nathan]

Barely any jokes, no real display of smarts and ingenuity, barely any confidance as Parker, no gadgets, Raimi's Spidey left much to be desired. It was almost like watching some random person turn into Spider-Man.

[Dr.Dude]

James Bond is a perfect example of an eternally looping film franchise. Every James Bond movie is essentially the same when you get down to the thick of things.

James Bond is a suave secret agent who saves the world from some dastardly insane plan by a kooky villain while banging numerous girls along the way.

Doctor Who is the same way aswell. Alien travels in his time machine with a human companion righting wrongs in time and space.

Looping franchises can be a good thing, y'know?

I see what you're saying but I'd argue that James Bond isn't an eternally looping franchise -- it's just a series of unconnected movies.

James Bond doesn't get brought back to square one every movie; the only origin movie we've ever really seen is, in fact, Casino Royale. What James Bond does, at least until recently, was to make every movie it's own animal, completely unconnected to the previous movie. It doesn't reset the timeline -- Even if Bond is portrayed completely differently in every movie the basics never change, as Bond is still 007, works for M, etc., but they never carry over plot threads from the previous movie.

The 90's Batman series did the same sort of thing, as while Batman Returns was a sequel to Batman, it could have easily been the first of the series as well. The same goes for Batman Forever. Basically, the movies are loosely a "series" but not in the same sense as Raimi's three Spidey movies.

If they want to do that, I can accept that; accept the vague history of the previous movies but don't pick up on the plot threads and tell your own story. I'd even support it, actually, as while I prefer the serialized Raimi approach, there's a lot of potential in the other approach, as well. We can get a whole new cast, a new director, a new tone and start with Peter as a college student or a teacher, Harry dead, facing new issues and new villains.

However, what I CAN'T stand behind is this absolute ridiculousness with rebooting it back to the beginning. This way, they alienate fans of the original series and disinterest the casual viewer as well, who won't be interested in the same story over and over again.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Barely any jokes, no real display of smarts and ingenuity, barely any confidance as Parker, no gadgets, Raimi's Spidey left much to be desired. It was almost like watching some random person turn into Spider-Man. This was Raimi's interpretation. An interpretation that I, and many other people loved.

[DJ Fate]

It took the half of the first movie before we see the spiderman suit, it's completely dedicated to how he came to be. I don't think Sony will get away with doing that again in a new Spider-Man movie.

[8wid]

I don't know if anyone has yet read this, but it gives some excellent insight into why Sony pulled the plug on Spidey 4

Source (http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/archive/2010/01/15/why-for-did-sony-pictures-decide-not-to-go-forward-with-production-of-spider-man-4.aspx)

Ask and ye shall receive. When I asked you guys for some new Why For questions last week, I had hopes that I’d get at least a few. But given the dozens of great Disney-related questions that have poured into my in-box over the past seven days, it’s clear that you folks really missed this JHM column. Thanks again for all of your very thoughtful, extremely challenging queries. In the weeks ahead, I’d definitely make an effort to answer as many as your questions as possible.
But for today, why don’t I start by pulling three e-mails right out of the middle of the stack? Question No. 1 comes from Ephraim. Who asks about an entertainment news story that broke this past Monday:
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Copyright 2009 Columbia Pictures, Inc. and MARVEL. All Rights Reserved

Hiya Jim,
Sony just today announced that they're going to re-boot Spider-Man in 2012 (http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/urgent-spider-man-4-scrapped-as-is-raimi-and-cast-out-franchise-reboot-planned/) - no Raimi (http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0000600/), no Maguire (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001497/), no Dunst (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000379/). Does this mean anything for Disney? Could it be possible for them to somehow buy the rights back from Sony and then let Marvel (http://marvel.com/) Studios do a new film?
Thanks,
Ephraim
Ephraim –
Nope. Though -- from what I hear -- one of the main reasons that Sony moved so quickly to announce this reboot after Sam Raimi said that “Spider-Man 4” couldn’t possibly make its previously-locked-in May 5th, 2011 release date (http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/exclusive-spider-man-4-officially-has-no-start-date-as-of-today-because-of-script-problems-sony-unlikely-to-make-5112010-release-date/) was this Studio’s very real fear that – if they dawdled – Disney’s lawyers would then find some loophole in the licensing agreement that they could exploit. Which would then allow the Mouse House to reclaim the motion picture rights for this Marvel superhero from Sony / Columbia Pictures (http://www.sonypicturesstudiostours.com/) prematurely.
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Entrance to the Sony Pictures lot in Culver City, CA.

As a Sony Pictures insider explained this situation to me earlier this week: For over 10 years now, we’ve had a good working relationship with Marvel. But now that the Mouse owns Marvel, no one’s entirely sure how aggressive The Walt Disney Company is going to be when it comes to regaining the rights to these characters. Which is why management here felt that it was crucial that this film franchise maintain forward momentum. So that Disney’s attorneys would have as few opportunities as possible to probe for weakness in our licensing agreement with Marvel.
Which is why – come the Summer of 2012 – Peter Parker is headed back to high school. This Spider-Man reboot will be written by James Vanderbilt (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007333.html?categoryid=13&cs=1) (Who – oddly enough – was one of the first very writers that Sony Pictures hired to work with Sam Raimi on Spider-Man 4). As for who will direct & star in this 2012 tentpole … Studio officials promise that all of this information will be revealed in the coming months.
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Copyright 2009 Disney Enterprises, Inc. All Rights Reserved

As for Disney … They’re really just getting started on figuring out how to recover that $4.3 billion that they paid out for Marvel Entertainment, Inc. The Company’s short-term plans involve piggybacking on some of the Marvel-related projects that other studios will be releasing over the next year or so. EX: On or about May 7th of this year – which is when Paramount Pictures (http://www.paramount.com/) will be releasing “Iron Man 2 (http://ironmanmovie.marvel.com/)” to theaters – Walt Disney Studios Home Entertainment (http://disneydvd.disney.go.com/home.html) is expected to put out a DVD that will then showcase selected episodes of the Iron Man animated TV series (http://disney.go.com/disneyxd/shows/ironman/).
Beyond that … As expected, Disney’s attorneys will spend the next few years reviewing all of the licensing deals that Marvel Entertainment, Inc. signed over the years. And – just as Sony officials feared – they will continually review these contracts, making sure that every single previously-agreed-upon term & condition is being met and/or honored. And if not … Well, you can bet that Mickey’s lawyers will then move at warp speed to sever these arrangements. Which would then allow control of the Marvel character in question to revert back to The Walt Disney Company.
Long story short: This is going to be a long, involved process that will probably include a couple of lawsuits. But by 2017, Disney hopes to regain control of most if not all of Marvel Entertainment, Inc. characters. And that’s when the real fun (read that as “major profit taking”) begins.

[Nathan]

This was Raimi's interpretation. An interpretation that I, and many other people loved.

Well, I prefer Spider-Man as I've come to know him for many, many years. Not a "what if Spider-Man would be totally boring" version. But to each his own I guess.

[Ace of Knaves]

:funny:

[sdc10]

Wow, for just a few minutes of comedy? IMO, it was funny. I mean, it's not like it lasted for the whole film.

well imo it was unnecessarily campy and pretty cringe worthy. that whole sequence was pretty dumb

[Spider-ManHero12]

Edit -nvm.

[Mace Dolex]

Ok so now it makes a little more sense, basically Sony for fear that Disney might want to make a bid for the SM license wants to speed up release on Spider-Man 4 before Sony's license was to expire.

Kind of similar to when Roger Corman made the cheapie Fantastic Four so quickly before the rights expired.

Only in this film coming out in 2011 or 2012?

[Dark Knight]

LOL!

It’s sadly predictable which direction Sony will try and take the Spidey franchise. They already stated some non sense where they will want to show Peter Parker more in his “high school years”? Sounds lame to me.

However, Spidey fans should know where Sony will try and go with this especially with this ridiculous Twilight girlie teeny bop rage going on currently. They will most likely cast the overrated, overhyped little boy with the deformed nose who can't act Wolfboy Lautner or whatever his name from the Twilight sequel as Spidey and they will look to target the teenage girly audience.

I feel sorry for the 30 and up generation of Spidey and comic genre fans once it occurs. They will be seeing a studio warped vision of Spidey onscreen and will be tortured with this high school musical version.

What a sick joke!

[Ace of Knaves]

A studio warped vision of Spidey in high school? Stick to DC man you obviously don't have a clue about Spidey.

Spidey started out in high school and there was some truly brilliant stories from that period.

[Chris Wallace]

My biggest fear is that in order to move the new series further away from Raimi's movies, they'll end up moving it further away from the comics. A la Nolan's Batman villains.

[DJ Fate]

"For over 10 years now, we’ve had a good working relationship with Marvel. But now that the Mouse owns Marvel, no one’s entirely sure how aggressive The Walt Disney Company is going to be when it comes to regaining the rights to these characters. Which is why management here felt that it was crucial that this film franchise maintain forward momentum. So that Disney’s attorneys would have as few opportunities as possible to probe for weakness in our licensing agreement with Marvel."

Sounds likea lie to me, how did they determine forward momentum stopped on the movie that was the most successful at the worldwide box office. This is simply a case of cutting cost. They want to try to make 800 million without paying out 300 million. It's the new moon effect. They made that movie for 50 million and it has grossed nearly 700 million worldwide.

[roach]

A studio warped vision of Spidey in high school? Stick to DC man you obviously don't have a clue about Spidey.

Spidey started out in high school and there was some truly brilliant stories from that period.

while I do agree that there were some good stories in this time frame...do you expect the studio that was pushing for Vulturess to do them?

[sdc10]

@darkknight you have apparently never watched Spectacular Spider-Man or never read Ultimate Spider-Man

[Artistsean]

Peter didn't have any friends through High School, didn't meet Gwen or Harry (or Norman) (or Robby) until College. So if they were going straight from the comic, Peter wouldn't have any friends. The other cast members would include Aunt May, Flash, Betty Brant, and JJ.

[Nathan]

My biggest fear is that in order to move the new series further away from Raimi's movies, they'll end up moving it further away from the comics. A la Nolan's Batman villains.

Or they could actually move it closer to the comics and give us a Spider-Man that is witty and smart, Goblin wouldn't be wearing an armored suit and they wouldn't retcon Uncle Ben's death at the hand of someone else.

[E-Man]

My biggest fear is that in order to move the new series further away from Raimi's movies, they'll end up moving it further away from the comics. A la Nolan's Batman villains.

I'm thinking the same thing. I don't think they'll do Spider-man like Twilight. The Spidey franchise is more popular than Twilight is, so I don't think they'll go for the young female audience. I think they'll try to do something TDK style, which still doesn't make sense because that is the only Batman movie that has grossed higher than a Spider-man movie. I think they'll do an Ultimate Spider-man series, but give it a dark tone like BB and TDK.

[Parker Wayne]

LOL!

It’s sadly predictable which direction Sony will try and take the Spidey franchise. They already stated some non sense where they will want to show Peter Parker more in his “high school years”? Sounds lame to me.

However, Spidey fans should know where Sony will try and go with this especially with this ridiculous Twilight girlie teeny bop rage going on currently. They will most likely cast the overrated, overhyped little boy with the deformed nose who can't act Wolfboy Lautner or whatever his name from the Twilight sequel as Spidey and they will look to target the teenage girly audience.

I feel sorry for the 30 and up generation of Spidey and comic genre fans once it occurs. They will be seeing a studio warped vision of Spidey onscreen and will be tortured with this high school musical version.

What a sick joke!

A studio warped vision of Spidey in high school? Stick to DC man you obviously don't have a clue about Spidey.

Spidey started out in high school and there was some truly brilliant stories from that period.

I was going to say something about Dark Knight's ignorance of Spiderman mythos but Ace pretty much summed it up :up:

[Dark Knight]

A studio warped vision of Spidey in high school? Stick to DC man you obviously don't have a clue about Spidey.

Spidey started out in high school and there was some truly brilliant stories from that period.





Like I said....enjoy your made for teenage girls version of Spidey. :whatever:

Oh and I know how good some of the Spidey high school stories were from the past. I wasn't attacking the high school Spidey stories from the past. I'm attacking the reach of direction Sony will take.

The question is, will Sony look to make a good "high school Spidey story"? I highly doubt it.....enjoy the lame Twilight version of Spidey fellas.

Good Luck on that!

[Mastodon123]

Like I said....enjoy your made for teenage girls version of Spidey. :whatever:

Really? You do know that the movie is suppose to be dark and gritty? With the wishlist that sony has for directors, I doubt they're looking for a teenie bop spidey film.

[Dark Knight]

Really? You do know that the movie is suppose to be dark and gritty? With the wishlist that sony has for directors, I doubt they're looking for a teenie bop spidey film.





We'll see.....

[rocco2216]

Like I said....enjoy your made for teenage girls version of Spidey. :whatever:

Oh and I know how good some of the Spidey high school stories were from the past. I wasn't attacking the high school Spidey stories from the past. I'm attacking the reach of direction Sony will take.

The question is, will Sony look to make a good "high school Spidey story"? I highly doubt it.....enjoy the lame Twilight version of Spidey fellas.

Good Luck on that!


It'll be made for girls? Just like the first three Spidey movies which were all about a girl and practically chick flicks lol. And I never knew Twilight was "gritty." I must have missed that. Seriously people why the hell does everyone automatically think it'll be like Twilight cause they say high school. What the hell does high school have to do with Twilight? You people are so paranoid I swear lol.

[Chris Wallace]

I'm thinking the same thing. I don't think they'll do Spider-man like Twilight. The Spidey franchise is more popular than Twilight is, so I don't think they'll go for the young female audience. I think they'll try to do something TDK style, which still doesn't make sense because that is the only Batman movie that has grossed higher than a Spider-man movie. I think they'll do an Ultimate Spider-man series, but give it a dark tone like BB and TDK.

Which is what I'm afraid of.

[sdc10]

Like I said....enjoy your made for teenage girls version of Spidey. :whatever:

Oh and I know how good some of the Spidey high school stories were from the past. I wasn't attacking the high school Spidey stories from the past. I'm attacking the reach of direction Sony will take.

The question is, will Sony look to make a good "high school Spidey story"? I highly doubt it.....enjoy the lame Twilight version of Spidey fellas.

Good Luck on that!

Still better than a lonely, stalking Superman tho:awesome:

[rocco2216]

Sony suggested Felicia Hardy as the Vulturess to please Sam Raimi. Sony wanted her to be Black Cat. Sam just wanted the Vulture. Sony has one bad idea, Sam has many, and yet everyone criticizes Sony? Huh? Seriously people it's a business first and foremost. It's not a matter of morals or ethics. Yeah I'm sure Sam Raimi is crying his eyes out right now with millions of dollars in his pocket lol. He made THREE freakin Spider-Man films guys. I'm sure he'll be ok. Sam didn't care what the fans wanted, he was stubborn. Yeah he's a great film maker but still. Sony is on the fan's side. They want what fans want so there will be a lot hype and money made, and at the same time we'll get what we want. It's a win/win situation here really. What's wrong with that?

[Parker Wayne]

Like I said....enjoy your made for teenage girls version of Spidey. :whatever:

Oh and I know how good some of the Spidey high school stories were from the past. I wasn't attacking the high school Spidey stories from the past. I'm attacking the reach of direction Sony will take.

The question is, will Sony look to make a good "high school Spidey story"? I highly doubt it.....enjoy the lame Twilight version of Spidey fellas.

Good Luck on that!

First of all, Twilight was based on a terrible book with terrible writing so just because both involve teenagers does not mean they are one and the same.

Sony wants dark and gritty, which I will translate to less campiness and downright stupidity from Spiderman 3.

Everything that involves teenagers isn't twilight or disney.

[rocco2216]

LOL!

It’s sadly predictable which direction Sony will try and take the Spidey franchise. They already stated some non sense where they will want to show Peter Parker more in his “high school years”? Sounds lame to me.

However, Spidey fans should know where Sony will try and go with this especially with this ridiculous Twilight girlie teeny bop rage going on currently. They will most likely cast the overrated, overhyped little boy with the deformed nose who can't act Wolfboy Lautner or whatever his name from the Twilight sequel as Spidey and they will look to target the teenage girly audience.

I feel sorry for the 30 and up generation of Spidey and comic genre fans once it occurs. They will be seeing a studio warped vision of Spidey onscreen and will be tortured with this high school musical version.

What a sick joke!


More lame than Peter and Mary Jane having a baby? The Vulture taking over the Daily Bugle? and having Felicia Hardy be his daughter? Ok, if you say so.

[rocco2216]

First of all, Twilight was based on a terrible book with terrible writing so just because both involve teenagers does not mean they are one and the same.

Sony wants dark and gritty, which I will translate to less campiness and downright stupidity from Spiderman 3.

Everything that involves teenagers isn't twilight or disney.

Exactly, I don't like Twilight as much as the next guy, but some of these Twilight haters are ridiculous lol. Look guys, we can argue how much this reboot is going to suck or how much it's going to be awesome all we want. It makes no difference. It's happening whether we like it or not. Some of you are so close minded in thinking that no one can make a better Spider-Man film than Sam Raimi. The truth is, of course someone can. Plus, isn't there different interpretations of Spider-Man in the comics? So why not in the movies? I don't understand the problem with that. Spider-Man is bigger than Sam Raimi and all the other actors no matter how good or bad of a job they did.

[fcrowelle06]

Y'know....I'm very disappointed with this news. It's very disappointing! and it's kind of our faults really. This is how it went down.

Spider-Man comes out and everybody's excited and the movie's a blast. So then we wait and wonder what Raimi will bring out next. Maybe he'll bring out 2 villians instead of 1. But Raimi says no and says that Doc Ock can carry the movie by himself. Here's where the producers' start grumbling, but they give it to him. Movie comes out and yes again Spider-Man 2 is amazing. But the fever pitch from us (the fans) is too high for Venom that Avi Arad tells Raimi to give the people what they want. But Raimi had a good script with Sandman and Harry. If Venom is squeezed in then that's too much and Raimi can't make it work. But Raimi gets pressured by the producers and Avi and folds changing his script and basically gives us Spider-Man 3 (the movie that we all wanted and forced a good director to make a bad movie) and now the producers kick him to the curb, because they think Spider-Man 3 is his fault and not theirs? Because the SP4 was going to feature the Vulture instead of some bigshot hot commodity like Carnage? So they decide to go the reboot route 2 years after Spider-man 3....They are stupid. And I think we should let them know that they're stupid! I'm pretty sure that if enough people let Sony know what an asinine stupid decision they made, then maybe Sam Raimi can get his job back and make a great movie the way he wants.
What do you think?

[Dark Knight]

If it turns out to be Twilight style....which I think it will.

Then yeah.....it will be lame unfortunately.

If some of you in here actually enjoy the Twilight films, then that's your guys' issue.

Argue amongst yourselves though. I have my opinion of what's going to happen and we shall see if it even gets made by 2012.

[rocco2216]

Peter didn't have any friends through High School, didn't meet Gwen or Harry (or Norman) (or Robby) until College. So if they were going straight from the comic, Peter wouldn't have any friends. The other cast members would include Aunt May, Flash, Betty Brant, and JJ.


They're taking inspiration from Ultimate Spider-Man and the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon.

[Pythagoras]

A studio warped vision of Spidey in high school? Stick to DC man you obviously don't have a clue about Spidey.

Spidey started out in high school and there was some truly brilliant stories from that period.

Exactly! Why people complaining about that area? Spidey started out at 15 years old crime fighting. He did not start out in college.

[rocco2216]

If it turns out to be Twilight style....which I think it will.

Then yeah.....it will be lame unfortunately.

If some of you in here actually enjoy the Twilight films, then that's your guys' issue.

Argue amongst yourselves though. I have my opinion of what's going to happen and we shall see if it even gets made by 2012.


Yeah, if it turns out to be like Twilight I'm sure it'll be lame. But because some of us have more common sense than that doesn't mean we enjoy the Twilight films. I just don't know where you're getting this Twilight vibe/connection from lol. Don't you think that maybe, just maybe this is what the franchise needs. It finally happened with Batman and James Bond, maybe it will happen with Spider-Man.

[Pythagoras]

They're taking inspiration from Ultimate Spider-Man and the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon.

They are? Ultimate Spiderman was awesome comic book read and SSM show is great.

[Parker Wayne]

Y'know....I'm very disappointed with this news. It's very disappointing! and it's kind of our faults really. This is how it went down.

Spider-Man comes out and everybody's excited and the movie's a blast. So then we wait and wonder what Raimi will bring out next. Maybe he'll bring out 2 villians instead of 1. But Raimi says no and says that Doc Ock can carry the movie by himself. Here's where the producers' start grumbling, but they give it to him. Movie comes out and yes again Spider-Man 2 is amazing. But the fever pitch from us (the fans) is too high for Venom that Avi Arad tells Raimi to give the people what they want. But Raimi had a good script with Sandman and Harry. If Venom is squeezed in then that's too much and Raimi can't make it work. But Raimi gets pressured by the producers and Avi and folds changing his script and basically gives us Spider-Man 3 (the movie that we all wanted and forced a good director to make a bad movie) and now the producers kick him to the curb, because they think Spider-Man 3 is his fault and not theirs? Because the SP4 was going to feature the Vulture instead of some bigshot hot commodity like Carnage? So they decide to go the reboot route 2 years after Spider-man 3....They are stupid. And I think we should let them know that they're stupid! I'm pretty sure that if enough people let Sony know what an asinine stupid decision they made, then maybe Sam Raimi can get his job back and make a great movie the way he wants.
What do you think?

Like I've said in the past, both sides are to blame for Spiderman 3. while executive meddling was not a good thing for the Spiderman films, Raimi along did many things wrong with Spiderman 3.

- The Saturday night fever ripoff
- The other dance scene with Peter on his date with Gwen
- The fact that every character in the film was crying.
- The ending (I had a problem with Peter and MJ at the end than the usual final swing)
- And you can't honestly tell me that there could've been a better way to put in Eddie Brock. I think sony execs would be satisfied if they introduced brock and teased Venom at the very end.

IMO, it's Raimi's fault just as much as it is Sony's. But despite that, I still think Raimi's a good director.

[Chris Wallace]

They are? Ultimate Spiderman was awesome comic book read and SSM show is great.

Ultimate did do a LOT of things wrong.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii158/BeelzeRider/ultimatespider-man-greengoblin433x5.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/robinova/Ultimate_venom.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa57/SecretagentHerbert/carnage-1.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/panther2/ULTSM104_col.jpg

[jab1118]

Y'know....I'm very disappointed with this news. It's very disappointing! and it's kind of our faults really. This is how it went down.

Spider-Man comes out and everybody's excited and the movie's a blast. So then we wait and wonder what Raimi will bring out next. Maybe he'll bring out 2 villians instead of 1. But Raimi says no and says that Doc Ock can carry the movie by himself. Here's where the producers' start grumbling, but they give it to him. Movie comes out and yes again Spider-Man 2 is amazing. But the fever pitch from us (the fans) is too high for Venom that Avi Arad tells Raimi to give the people what they want. But Raimi had a good script with Sandman and Harry. If Venom is squeezed in then that's too much and Raimi can't make it work. But Raimi gets pressured by the producers and Avi and folds changing his script and basically gives us Spider-Man 3 (the movie that we all wanted and forced a good director to make a bad movie) and now the producers kick him to the curb, because they think Spider-Man 3 is his fault and not theirs? Because the SP4 was going to feature the Vulture instead of some bigshot hot commodity like Carnage? So they decide to go the reboot route 2 years after Spider-man 3....They are stupid. And I think we should let them know that they're stupid! I'm pretty sure that if enough people let Sony know what an asinine stupid decision they made, then maybe Sam Raimi can get his job back and make a great movie the way he wants.
What do you think?

Yeah Sony forced venom on raimi but he still did a terrible job with him. And when you think about it Venom does not feel like the one forced on the movie sandman does. The whole movie is about the black suit, to me that makes Venom the logical vilain. Sandman is the one with no real srtoryline, except for the forced one they gave him of killing uncle Ben

[rocco2216]

Ultimate did do a LOT of things wrong.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii158/BeelzeRider/ultimatespider-man-greengoblin433x5.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s162/robinova/Ultimate_venom.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa57/SecretagentHerbert/carnage-1.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/panther2/ULTSM104_col.jpg


Yeah, so did Sam Raimi. Plus they'll be taking inspiration from Spectacular Spider-Man also.

[Parker Wayne]

Ultimate did do a LOT of things wrong.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/panther2/ULTSM104_col.jpg

Are you against Spiderwoman or Doc-Ock in this picture? Because I actually liked a younger, faster Octavious.

[Nathan]

Are you against Spiderwoman or Doc-Ock in this picture? Because I actually liked a younger, faster Octavious.

Doc Ock was great, up until the point they revealed that he had magnetic powers.

[sauronthegreat]

Let's hope they don't go that route with the villains.

[Chris Wallace]

Are you against Spiderwoman or Doc-Ock in this picture? Because I actually liked a younger, faster Octavious.

I'm against Ock becoming Magneto-Lite.

[Chris Wallace]

Yeah, so did Sam Raimi. Plus they'll be taking inspiration from Spectacular Spider-Man also.

None of Raimi's judgment calls were as bad as the examples I listed. As for SPectacular, it's a great show, yes. But not without its deviations. And it drew much inspiration from the Raimi movies.

[Nightmare]

As am I. I like the older smarter man with metal tenticles.

[Spider-ManHero12]

As am I. I like the older smarter man with metal tenticles. Agreed. Nothing beats classic Ock. :up:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah, so did Sam Raimi. Those changes worked for the films, if you ask me. I don't care what anybody says. It was Raimi's interpretation and I enjoyed them ALOT.

[Chris Wallace]

Or they could actually move it closer to the comics and give us a Spider-Man that is witty and smart, Goblin wouldn't be wearing an armored suit and they wouldn't retcon Uncle Ben's death at the hand of someone else.

Again, we could just as easily get further away. A Green Goblin with NO costume. Spidey being LESS witty (especially if they're going for something "dark") and Uncle Ben's death being even more bizarrely twisted.
Just like we've so far seen, through the magic of rebooting:
A Batman with little to no detective or inventive skills.
Henri Ducard & Ra's Al Ghul being the same person, AS WELL AS Batman's mentor.
A Joker that doesn't joke.
A Two-Face that has NO sense of duality.
A Scarecrow that sells his formula (which only exists because of Ra's) to drug dealers.
Lucius Fox as the gadget guru.
And let's not forget, a made-up (and largely unlikeable) love interest.
We could end up with mechanical web-shooters, made by somebody else.
An "Ultimized" Green Goblin or Ock.
Another made-up love interest-who knows? "New" doesn't always mean better.

[sauronthegreat]

Green Goblin was only that hulkish looking in his first arc, after that they made him a little bit normal, but still not a best direction for a Goblin.

And yet there is nothing as bad and ridiculous as this:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1107/greengoblin01jpg.jpg

[Spider-ManHero12]

Green Goblin was only that hulkish looking in his first arc, after that they made him a little bit normal, but still not a best direction for a Goblin.

And yet there is nothing as bad and ridiculous as this:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/1107/greengoblin01jpg.jpg Oh please, I perfer that WAY more over Ultimate Green Goblin. He still had that unnecessary hulkish build. The Green GOblin has 2 sides to him. Norman and there's the Goblin. Ultimate Goblin was pretty much the hulk. I stopped reading Ultimate in 2005.

[Chris Wallace]

Oh pleasen i perfer that WAYYY more over Ultimate Green Goblin. He still had that unnecessary hulkish build. The Green GOblin has 2 sides to him. Norman and there's the Goblin. Ultiamte Goblin was pretty much the hulk. I stopped reading Ultimate in 2005.

Let's not forget the fireballs.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Let's not forget the fireballs. Very true!

[rocco2216]

Those changes worked for the films, if you ask me. I don't care what anybody says. It was Raimi's interpretation and I enjoyed them ALOT.

And there's nothing wrong with that. But they were still uneccesary. Do you really think no one can do a better job than Sam Raimi? Cause people thought the same thing with Tim Burton's films. It sounds like more that you guys are making up excuses for Sam Raimi but whatever you like his films. His films aren't bad, but they could have been a whole lot better. And this reboot is just the chance to do that. Hopefully you guys will see that eventually. You don't now, but you will. :yay:

[Darkness Falls]

Ultimate did do a LOT of things wrong.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii158/BeelzeRider/ultimatespider-man-greengoblin433x5.jpg


hooded cape is cool

but the rest :doh:

[Nathan]

Another made-up love interest-who knows? "New" doesn't always mean better.

Doesn't mean the opposite either. So why don't we just stop worrying and actually wait and see into which direction the reboot is going?

[rocco2216]

Again, we could just as easily get further away. A Green Goblin with NO costume. Spidey being LESS witty (especially if they're going for something "dark") and Uncle Ben's death being even more bizarrely twisted.
Just like we've so far seen, through the magic of rebooting:
A Batman with little to no detective or inventive skills.
Henri Ducard & Ra's Al Ghul being the same person, AS WELL AS Batman's mentor.
A Joker that doesn't joke.
A Two-Face that has NO sense of duality.
A Scarecrow that sells his formula (which only exists because of Ra's) to drug dealers.
Lucius Fox as the gadget guru.
And let's not forget, a made-up (and largely unlikeable) love interest.
We could end up with mechanical web-shooters, made by somebody else.
An "Ultimized" Green Goblin or Ock.
Another made-up love interest-who knows? "New" doesn't always mean better.


Um, the Joker did joke. It was just more dark and twisted like he should be. The whole "pencil disappearing" anyone. And yet Nolan's films paid more respect to the characters. Nothing will be 100% faithful and doesn't need to be but there can be more respect made. Making Sandman Uncle Ben's killer is forced and unecessary, and is disrespectful to the source material. Now Sam is more respectful than say Tim Burton but still.

[sauronthegreat]

Oh pleasen i perfer that WAYYY more over Ultimate Green Goblin. He still had that unnecessary hulkish build. The Green GOblin has 2 sides to him. Norman and there's the Goblin. Ultiamte Goblin was pretty much the hulk. I stopped reading Ultimate in 2005.

I agree :up:
Ultimate Green Goblin is maybe the worst interpretation of the character so far. But I could even go with some skin change over that plastic mask and suit. I long for the day to see my favourite villain redone in all the aspects physicall and psychological. What we need is what Nolan did with the Joker and we could have maybe the best villain ever created on film.
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5864/thegreengoblin.jpg

Someone posted this on these boards and it simply is the best Goblin I have ever seen.

[Darkness Falls]

A Joker that doesn't joke.

.

have you forgotten the magic trick and the fake grenade :dry:

[rocco2216]

Guys, I said INSPIRATION, not TRANSLATION of Ultimate Spider-Man and Spectacular Spider-Man.

[Dark Knight]

I agree :up:
Ultimate Green Goblin is maybe the worst interpretation of the character so far. But I could even go with some skin change over that plastic mask and suit. I long for the day to see my favourite villain redone in all the aspects physicall and psychological. What we need is what Nolan did with the Joker and we could have maybe the best villain ever created on film.
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5864/thegreengoblin.jpg

Someone posted this on these boards and it simply is the best Goblin I have ever seen.








Awesome Goblin design by the way......

[Dark Knight]

Yeah, if it turns out to be like Twilight I'm sure it'll be lame. But because some of us have more common sense than that doesn't mean we enjoy the Twilight films. I just don't know where you're getting this Twilight vibe/connection from lol. Don't you think that maybe, just maybe this is what the franchise needs. It finally happened with Batman and James Bond, maybe it will happen with Spider-Man.








I think rebooting this soon is an act of desperation personally. I think Raimi would have made up for the mistakes of Spidey 3.

[GoldGoblin]

Why can't we have a latex mask for the Goblin?But maybe making the Goblin look like a real Goblin by making him change like the Hulk,but keep the Goblin like the classic look and not the ultimate hulkish look.

[GoldGoblin]

I think rebooting this soon is an act of desperation personally. I think Raimi would have made up for the mistakes of Spidey 3.

^
No he wouldn't,did you see how he updated his Goblin costume when he made Harry's?He made it worse than the Goblin's costume in the first movie.

[sauronthegreat]

Awesome Goblin design by the way......

And it can be done eventually. Let's hope this time they take a time and think it all through. Approach this characters with knowledge and passion. Process them through psychological entities they represent and find a best interpretation for the film.

[Chris Wallace]

I think rebooting this soon is an act of desperation personally. I think Raimi would have made up for the mistakes of Spidey 3.

As do many of us.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^
No he wouldn't,did you see how he updated his Goblin costume when he made Harry's?He made it worse than the Goblin's costume in the first movie. Huh? Harry's suit in S-M3 was meant to be that way. He wasn't trying to become the Goblin. He just wanted some arsenal to kill Peter, and that's it. That suit ws necessary.

[craigdbfan]

Would love to see a visceral well done version of the classical GG. He'd be scary as heck.

[sdc10]

As do many of us.

How the hell is it desperation? They were gonna reboot it anyways after the 4th film. Don't you think it would be a waste of time and energy to make another film then reboot? Sony probably didnt want a Superman Returns situation. Look what happened there, SR was not the success WB wanted it to be and now Superman is an afterthought. Coming off of Spider-Man 3, Sony probably didnt want to take the risk of another luke warm reception to a Spiderman movie (among other factors) because it may have hurt interest in the future reboot.

[Chris Wallace]

Why can't we have a latex mask for the Goblin?But maybe making the Goblin look like a real Goblin by making him change like the Hulk,but keep the Goblin like the classic look and not the ultimate hulkish look.

I didn't like it on "Amazing Friends", I don't like the idea now. But it'll probably happen anyway, in keeping with the idea of distancing from Raimi.:whatever:

[VenomVsSpidey]

Let's not forget the fireballs.

hadokens against spidey ftw :awesome:

[Nathan]

Why can't we have a latex mask for the Goblin?But maybe making the Goblin look like a real Goblin by making him change like the Hulk,but keep the Goblin like the classic look and not the ultimate hulkish look.

If we'd go with the angle that Norman is sane, I think the latex mask could work perfectly. He'd create the Goblin persona, in order to take over the city. As the Green Goblin, he'd be able to do things he can't do as Norman Osborn.

[Mace Dolex]

A latex mask for Green Goblin makes more sense and less silly, kind of like Michael Myers' Halloween mask.

[Chris Wallace]

How the hell is it desperation? They were gonna reboot it anyways after the 4th film.

You know this for a fact?

[Artistsean]

I actually never understood why they didn't go the costume rout with Goblin, he wears a costume and mask because he is insane. I know they thought it made more sense to have Goblin wear the flight suit and a helmet, and would look less silly,
but done right the rubber mask would work too.
Especially if they pushed the whole Goblin is certifiable angle. (Osborne really has become clinically insane and takes medication for it.)


But i think for the time being they should avoid Goblin as a bad guy.
They could still have Norman Osborne as a character, like Lex on Smallville.
Whenever he is around he seems everything he will do will seem ominous and everyone will be waiting for him to actually do something evil or become evil.
It might be cool, foreshadowing without having to really do anything. Just cat someone (like the actor who played Nathan Patrelli, but not him necessarily) who can play a character who seems secretive and dark like he is hiding something evil. Like he is hiding a Goblin costume in his closet.

[rocco2216]

I think rebooting this soon is an act of desperation personally. I think Raimi would have made up for the mistakes of Spidey 3.


Well it is an act of desperation cause they don't want to lose the rights, but at the same time it's also smart. They were prepared. And made up for the mistakes of Spider-Man 3? Did you read what Spider-Man 4 was going to be about? Plus, it's too soon? What does that even mean? Too soon? You mean they should wait 20 to 30 years just for the hell of it? Why? Spider-Man is bigger than Raimi and all the other actors and crew. Batman was rebooted in 8 years. Spider-Man, 5 years, big deal. The reason for Superman to take 20 to 30 years to be rebooted is cause WB doesn't know what to do with the character.

[rocco2216]

I actually never understood why they didn't go the costume rout with Goblin, he wears a costume and mask because he is insane. I know they thought it made more sense to have Goblin wear the flight suit and a helmet, and would look less silly,
but done right the rubber mask would work too.
Especially if they pushed the whole Goblin is certifiable angle. (Osborne really has become clinically insane and takes medication for it.)


But i think for the time being they should avoid Goblin as a bad guy.
They could still have Norman Osborne as a character, like Lex on Smallville.
Whenever he is around he seems everything he will do will seem ominous and everyone will be waiting for him to actually do something evil or become evil.
It might be cool, foreshadowing without having to really do anything. Just cat someone (like the actor who played Nathan Patrelli, but not him necessarily) who can play a character who seems secretive and dark like he is hiding something evil. Like he is hiding a Goblin costume in his closet.


They did, but Willem Dafoe apparently didn't like those designs so they changed them.

[Nathan]

How do you people feel about Alex Ross's Goblin design he did for the first Movie? I still love how sinister it looks.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7149/spiderman6.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/spiderman6.jpg/)

[rocco2216]

You know this for a fact?


Yep, while David Abaire or Gary Ross were writing Spider-Man 4, James Vanderbilt was writing a script for Spieder-Man 1/reboot. They did this so they could compare the scripts. Remember when Variety reported last year that Sony RE-HIRED James Vanderbilt to write "Spider-Man 5 and 6?" He was really writing the reboot.

[DJ Fate]

Well it is an act of desperation cause they don't want to lose the rights, but at the same time it's also smart. They were prepared. And made up for the mistakes of Spider-Man 3? Did you read what Spider-Man 4 was going to be about? Plus, it's too soon? What does that even mean? Too soon? You mean they should wait 20 to 30 years just for the hell of it? Why? Spider-Man is bigger than Raimi and all the other actors and crew. Batman was rebooted in 8 years. Spider-Man, 5 years, big deal. The reason for Superman to take 20 to 30 years to be rebooted is cause WB doesn't know what to do with the character.

The batman franchise was tired and needed a reboot, each batman movie didn't feel too connected too eachother either and none of the batman movies established a origin, just some flashbacks. The style between the new series of batman and the first 4 movies is completely different. I think most complaints about it being too soon is that a new Spider-man may turn out exactly looking and feeling like the original.

[conan69]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/lcp/latumbasinnombre/myfiles/goblin.jpg

[Sawyer]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/lcp/latumbasinnombre/myfiles/goblin.jpg

That looks awful...

[Nathan]

Ugh... good lord...

[conan69]

That was the only one I could find, but Bernie Wrightson had done some designs for the first film.

There was a color version of this design with him flying on the glider which looked much better. Couldnt find it though.

[rocco2216]

The batman franchise was tired and needed a reboot, each batman movie didn't feel too connected too eachother either and none of the batman movies established a origin, just some flashbacks. The style between the new series of batman and the first 4 movies is completely different. I think most complaints about it being too soon is that a new Spider-man may turn out exactly looking and feeling like the original.


We'll see. The only thing similar is that a spider will bite him but that's what I think. Plus, it'll be gritty and not cheesy and cartoony. Tim Burton's did establish an origin, in a flashback lol.

[NinjaCarm]

I still think the Goblin's design (in a 2nd or 3rd film?) should be somewhat technological (think Spectacular Spider-Man) but I desperately want to see the TRUE scary GOBLIN on screen. I just love this....
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/583325-green_goblin_marko_djurdjevic21_super.jpg

And think Meg Mucklebones (Legend) scary (and go with Mission Impossible type masks explanation)
http://content9.flixster.com/photo/99/49/42/9949427_tml.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

How do you people feel about Alex Ross's Goblin design he did for the first Movie? I still love how sinister it looks.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7149/spiderman6.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/spiderman6.jpg/)

I hate it with a passion. I like it even less than his Spidey design-which, I recently realized, is the same approach he takes to every revamp that he does.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/panther2/x-men-by-alex-rosswallpaper.jpg
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa57/SecretagentHerbert/captainamerica2.jpg

[JustABill]

Does that Goblin have a lizard like spine? The hell?

[sdc10]

How do you people feel about Alex Ross's Goblin design he did for the first Movie? I still love how sinister it looks.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7149/spiderman6.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/spiderman6.jpg/)

The only problem is that if i recall correctly, that this goblin was actually a more ultimate type of goblin i.e. Norman literally transformed into a monster

[Artistsean]

yeah, they asked Ross to do some redesigns with the Goblin transformed. So I think Ross was designing both Spider-man and the Goblin with the idea that the studio was bound to do a lot of changes to the characters.

I don't know about dark and gritty Spider-Man, I hope its only a rumor about it being gritty.

Spider-Man always seemed to me to be more like what Raimi did, a little fun, silly at times, good action, and fun for all.
Gritty and dark don't seem to go with Spider-Man to me, at least not as dark as Batman or something.

[Nathan]

I hate it with a passion.

You seem to hate pretty much everything that's not an exact translation from the comic book pages.

[NinjaCarm]

I don't know, I hope its only a rumor about it being gritty.

Spider-Man always seemed to me to be more like what Raimi did, a little fun, silly at times, good action, and fun for all.
Gritty and dark don't seem to go with Spider-Man to me, at least not as dark as Batman or something.

Raimi made it too campy and silly. I don't want Crow gritty, I want real situations, an scary green goblin, and nothing waterdowned.

[conan69]

Bill, No its his headpiece, just going down his back.

Its just one design Bernie had done. He did many - they were throwing ideas around on what they wanted. He prob did 100 goblin designs, this was one I could find quickly.

[Ace of Knaves]

Read Warren Ellis' T-Bolts Caged Angels when Osborn finally re-dons the Goblin suit. THAT is what GG should look like in live action.

Not ****ing power ranger Goblin.

[NinjaCarm]

Read Warren Ellis' T-Bolts Caged Angels when Osborn finally re-dons the Goblin suit. THAT is what GG should look like in live action.

Not ****ing power ranger Goblin.

Didja ya see my post above?

[Ace of Knaves]

Yup. And that is what he should look like. But I just wanted to plug Warren Ellis' Thunderbolts because it is ****ing awesome :D

[NinjaCarm]

Someday at Sony sign Logan Lerman for Peter Parker already!
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/percy_jackson05.jpg

[NinjaCarm]

Someday at Sony sign Logan Lerman for Peter Parker already!
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/percy_jackson05.jpg

[Alex Logan]

see this is the thing about Movie Producers. You create 3 films that gross millions and they step in to squash the same creativity that made them money.

Yep. Sad really...

[Alex Logan]

Someday at Sony sign Logan Lerman for Peter Parker already!
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/percy_jackson05.jpg

Yep. :up:

They need to go with a younger Peter and Mary Jane this time. Heck maybe even a young Gwen and then introduce Mary Jane the way they did in the cartoon.

Whatever they do it needs to be a different approach this time.

[Pythagoras]

I still think the Goblin's design (in a 2nd or 3rd film?) should be somewhat technological (think Spectacular Spider-Man) but I desperately want to see the TRUE scary GOBLIN on screen. I just love this....
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/583325-green_goblin_marko_djurdjevic21_super.jpg

And think Meg Mucklebones (Legend) scary (and go with Mission Impossible type masks explanation)
http://content9.flixster.com/photo/99/49/42/9949427_tml.jpg

Thats a nice design man and should be used in live action.

[Chris Wallace]

You seem to hate pretty much everything that's not an exact translation from the comic book pages.

Not even remotely true. Unlike many of the fans who post on these boards, I have happily embraced:
Organic webbing
Goblin armor
The movie version of Venom
The movie version of Ock
The raised webbing on Spidey's suit
Peter & MJ meeting in high school
The Goblin formula being a super soldier project
Leather X-uniforms
Black Kingpin
And a host of other changes, including the myriad liberties that the animated shows have taken.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but you shouldn't of accepted the ridiculous Goblin armour ;)

MIGHTY MORPHING GOBLIN RANGERS!!!!

:awesome:

[VenomVsSpidey]

Yea but you shouldn't of accepted the ridiculous Goblin armour ;)

MIGHTY MORPHING GOBLIN RANGERS!!!!

:awesome:

ya know, about all this power rangers goblin thing....not seeing it.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8572/copyofpowerrangers21.jpg

[Ace of Knaves]

Oh come off it. The Goblin suit and mask in the first one was pathetic.

You get a guy like Willem Dafoe, who has a weird goblin face anyway, then you cover it up with this cheap looking halloween mask? Pfft.

[Nathan]

Not even remotely true. Unlike many of the fans who post on these boards, I have happily embraced:

Goblin armor


You embrace the armor, yet hate Ross's rendition of the Goblin, which isn't even a big departure from the comic design. Color me baffled.

[VenomVsSpidey]

Oh come off it. The Goblin suit and mask in the first one was pathetic.

You get a guy like Willem Dafoe, who has a weird goblin face anyway, then you cover it up with this cheap looking halloween mask? Pfft.

I'm not fighting, all I'm saying is I don't see it. Unless you mean those...new dino force power rangers, but I don't count those as power rangers, cause they suck ass IMO

[Chris Wallace]

It was a HUGE departure, seeing as it wasn't even a costume.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Why can't people realize that things, such as the Goblin suit, may look great in comics, but not so much on film?

[Nathan]

ya know, about all this power rangers goblin thing....not seeing it.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8572/copyofpowerrangers21.jpg

Well, there's that Power Ranger Movie where they have more of an armored look. But maybe Kamen Rider is a better comparison.

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9720/67327724.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/67327724.jpg/)

[Ace of Knaves]

Because it would look awesome on film.

Stop making excuses!

The real Goblin suit would look 1000x better than the cheap looking Power Rangers reject we got in the first 1. Seriously, if Dafoe wasn't so awesome the Goblin would of seriously been 100% crap.

If you can have Spider-Man in skin tight spandex. You can have Green Goblin in green chainmail and a prosthetic mask that highlights the features of Dafoe's already weird looking face.

[E-Man]

I didn't have beef with the Goblin costume of the movies. Could they have improved upon it? Yeah they could have, but it didn't look impractical. The armored look made it seem like something that could be used for military purposes.

[cerealkiller182]

Why can't people realize that things, such as the Goblin suit, may look great in comics, but not so much on film?

First of all, you dont know that.

Second, anything would be better than the armor. The armor just didnt work.

[JustABill]

Okay, maybe...but you seriously think that they didn't replace it with something that looked even more completely ridiculous looking?

[Nathan]

Why can't people realize that things, such as the Goblin suit, may look great in comics, but not so much on film?

There are more than enough fantasy Movies that would prove you wrong. Let's just look at the base concept. What wouldn't work about a green, terrifying looking man, that resembles a Goblin? He wouldn't be any more farfetched than the Hulk and he as already gotten two movies.

The only thing I might agree with, is how he is dressed. I wouldn't want him to look too much like Link. That's why I like the slightly torn hood on Ross's design.

Honestly, he can work on screen.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea give him a more grimey look like he is in the comics now. His old look back in the 60s did look a bit too "clean".

[E-Man]

I think a problem with adapting the comic costume of the Green Goblin is the purple. It seems that comic movies have strayed from using things that could be seen as "kiddy" or "comicy," and purple is one of those colors. If they gave GG the cloak, I'm sure they'd replace the purple with gray or black. To hell with the Green Goblin though. He's a fabulous villain, and he's one of my favorites. Regardless of that, I'd rather see someone else besides him for awhile. This reboot will probably only get 2 or 3 movies, so I'd say to use villains that Raimi didn't use.

[Chris Wallace]

I think a problem with adapting the comic costume of the Green Goblin is the purple. It seems that comic movies have strayed from using things that could be seen as "kiddy" or "comicy," and purple is one of those colors. If they gave GG the cloak, I'm sure they'd replace the purple with gray or black. To hell with the Green Goblin though. He's a fabulous villain, and he's one of my favorites. Regardless of that, I'd rather see someone else besides him for awhile. This reboot will probably only get 2 or 3 movies, so I'd say to use villains that Raimi didn't use.

Hollywood's not that scared of purple, really.
http://i1006.photobucket.com/albums/af189/cannabico90/Joker%20Ledger/HeathLedger-Guason-Joker21.jpg
In all likelihood, they'll follow the same path as the Batman reboot, starting with previously unused villains & THEN (if they get a chance) updating familiar baddies.

[conan69]

I thought I remembered seeing some pics, maybe from the Art Of Spiderman book, that showed Osborn had a mask in his collection that resembled the Goblin mask. Its too bad it got cut, because it would have explained why Norman chose that design for the Goblins suit.

I dont like the body at all, but I dont mind the mask. I actually kind of like how you can see Normans fiendish grin through the mesh of the mouth.
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/8572/copyofpowerrangers21.jpg

And it makes sense than someone who flies around at ridiculously high speeds around NYC on a glider would wear some kind of body protection, enhanced strength or not.

[Gamma Goliath]

i think this franchise will do the first, then possibly film the second and third simultaniously, then do the fourth.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Stop making excuses! No reason to get upset, seriously.

[Gamma Goliath]

didnt alex ross have a green goblin movie design too, i think he wore the tatterd purple, and had a hood.

[Nathan]

Yep.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4774/spiderman7h.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/spiderman7h.jpg/)

[Crook]

Goblin's look is tricky. I don't want a repeat of the static Dafoe costume, but at the same time it's hard to explain why a mask doesn't even really look or function as a mask (if the comic book look is adapted). I suppose I could go along with the suspension of disbelief, but it'd be nice if they could circumvent that flaw.

I don't know how people feel about Norman actually turning into the Goblin, as that's the only explanation I can think of at the moment.

[Nathan]

It wouldn't really be a change I support, but if it would be done, I'd insist that he doesn't throw fireballs or turns into the Incredible Goblin Hulk.

But it's Norman Osborn after all. With all his tech he has at his disposal, I'd assume he'd be able to come up with some kind of state of the art mask. I've seen Mission Impossible being mentioned around here. If they can get away with it, why not a superhero fantasy movie?

[JustABill]

It'd not be totally without precedent in the comics. Norman's current Goblin formula that Lilly Hollister stole had her transforming into a goblin like figure. Hell, she even seems to be able to control the form of it, as at first she was a male Goblin and now she's a female Goblin.

[Spider-Fan]

Who cares about what the Goblin was wearing? The Goblin was nailed in SM1. Watch the scenes where Norman talks to himself, and just how much fun he seems to have while blowing things up. THAT is the Green Goblin.

I never got this obsession with the suit. Yes, it sucks, but who cares since the character was just absolutely nailed from a writing perspective? I may not like some art work of certain comic artists, but that doesn't mean I hate the story just because I hate the art.

[Nathan]

And no one denies Dafoe's great performance, but it would still be great to get both things right.

[Crook]

I never got this obsession with the suit. Yes, it sucks, but who cares since the character was just absolutely nailed from a writing perspective?
Are you reading a book, or watching a movie?

[conan69]

"I never got this obsession with the suit. Yes, it sucks, but who cares since the character was just absolutely nailed from a writing perspective?"

Exactly.

I dont see how anyone can top Defoes performance. The laugh, everything. He was perfect.

"And no one denies Dafoe's great performance, but it would still be great to get both things right. "

But heres the thing, you cant make everyone happy. If they do a transformation, people will *****, if you do the middle earth suit from the previous page, people will ***** and so on.

Again, I liked the mask but not the bodyarmor of the first film. My biggest complain is the suit itself looked plastic. Im not against his wearing a form of armor (remember the suit was designed for nonsuperpowered humans for protection while flying). But I enjoyed Dafoes performance so much, I didnt even care about the suit.


"Are you reading a book, or watching a movie?"

Are you reading a comic book or watching a movie?
Theres a reason why the Batsuit, Magnetos costume, eventually Wonder Womans costume, etc have to be changed.

What works on a comic book page, often wont in a film which takes place in the real world.

[Spider-Fan]

And no one denies Dafoe's great performance, but it would still be great to get both things right.

This is true, but if I have to choose which I care more about, I'll take the writing and performance over what he is wearing.

Are you reading a book, or watching a movie?

Both are forms of visual media, so I think my comparison is valid.

[Gamma Goliath]

Yep.

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/4774/spiderman7h.jpg (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/spiderman7h.jpg/)
yeah, i would make a few modifications but this isnt total garbage, as for his skin, id do like i said in the villain thread. i thought always it would be interesting to see norman make an actual transformation (via goblin sirum) when he became the goblin. i always wanted to see his skin become very vascular with a slight olive green tint, so he wouldnt have to actually wear a costume and it would give him a creepy/ill type appearance. his body would become muscular, but, it would sickly twisted and unproportional. his teeth could sharpen out, and his should make some sort of change.

[sdc10]

I dont like the body at all, but I dont mind the mask. I actually kind of like how you can see Normans fiendish grin through the mesh of the mouth.

I actually hated the fact that you could see his mouth under the mask.

[Sawyer]

Why can't people realize that things, such as the Goblin suit, may look great in comics, but not so much on film?

I happen to think that the GG suit could've looked great on film.

[NinjaCarm]

I happen to think that the GG suit could've looked great on film.

Thumbs Up, me too.
http://nogoodforme.filmstills.org/images/punkybrewster.jpg

[conan69]

I dont see how a mask can work. Even if you had Norman pull on a mask, which can work because of the characters psychology, this isnt Michael Myers where you have a mask with a closed mouth, a blank expressionless face and such.

So Norman is gonna spend the hours it takes in makeup, like a FX artist gluing the mask to his face? Around his mouth, his eyes,etc?

[Nathan]

Mission Impossible did it already with their face masks. So a fanasy/sci-fi movie like Spider-Man could get away with it too. It's not farfetched to believe that Norman could've created a state of the art mask.

[conan69]

I'll have to watch Mission Impossible again. I havent seen it since it first released on home video all those years ago.

[Doctor Jones]

If they really put their heads together I think you could come up with something cool.

Though no ****ing spandex.