What villain or villains would you like to see them kick start the reboot with?

[Gianakin_]

After watching Wall Street 2, Josh Brollin would make an amazing Kraven.

Yes, he'd be straight out of the comics.

[Brian Braddock]

Hell yes. Brolin would be perfect for Kraven.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/xzxzxz.jpg

The only question I would have would be if the Jonah Hex fiasco has put him off being in another comicbook movie or not.

[bizbaz20]

I would like The Lizard and Electro.


They are good ones we have yet to see. But it would have to be set in college for Lizard to work.

[Brian Braddock]

Agreed;

Come to think of it, most of my favourite Spidey stories occurred during Peter's college years.

[Golgo-13]

Thugs can be villains. Rhino's a thug who gets an upgrade. It can work. It worked in TSSM.

Spidey is too intelligent; he'd easily out smart them which is why you need at least one villain with some cerebellum along with a thug.

[MikeFrost]

You can also have one of those villains that doesn't actually fight but that has thugs that do that for him. One's the brains, other's the muscle.

[TheSlag]

Electro and Rhino.

Kickass battle with Electro in the middle of Times Square at night. And a kickass downtown battle with Rhino that makes it look like a warzone in the aftermath.

Also, obviously, allows for development of characters in first movie for stories down the line in future movies. (i.e. Osborns, Connors, etc.)

[I'm Venom]

Shocker & Vulture

[Hobgoblin]

You can also have one of those villains that doesn't actually fight but that has thugs that do that for him. One's the brains, other's the muscle.

Chameleon and Rhino. Both are Russian so they could work as a team.

[Excelsior.]

Both are Russian so they could work as a team.

......

[Hobgoblin]

:oldrazz:

[Galactus123]

Kickass battle with Electro in the middle of Times Square at night.)
It has been done already. In Ultimate Spider-Man the game:

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/646/646734/ultimate-spider-man-20050830011120880.jpg

[Ultimate Doom]

Kraven or chameleon...somehow tied into the mob but i do think they have potential

[Matt Mortem]

You know, I'm not sure I want Spidey vs the Mob. I feel like Daredevil and Batman should fight the mob, but Spidey is a teen. I just don't know if I'm all the on board with a mob fight

[Oscorp]

Now that I think of it, I feel like it doesn't matter at all for me who the villain(s) are/is, as long as it's new (Doc Ock would be OK though) and as long as they stay true to the 616 version and NOT some Ultimate crap.

If they write a good story and nails the characters, I feel comfortable with almost any villain.

[rcazzy]

Now that Rhys Ifans is announced as the villain, any ideas on who he could be playing? Max Dillon? Eddie Brock? Norman? AUNT MAY?

http://www.topnews.in/light/files/Rhys-Ifans.jpg
http://www.media.belpotter.by/data/media/139/kinopoisk.ru-Rhys-Ifans-955352.jpg
http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2004_Enduring_Love/2004_enduring_love_006.jpg

[Gianakin_]

He's got the Cassidy look ,that's for sure. Although it definitely won't be Carnage.

[Gamma Goliath]

What?!

[Gianakin_]

What?!

Is this directed at my post?

[Ken-Kaniff]

I'm not too keen on your ideas with the mobb involvement either guys, I don't know, I actually preffer Spider-Man to be up against super-villains and that's it. I don't think I ever want to see Silvermane nor The Big Man and certainly not Hammerhead (which imo, would look ridiculous on the big screen anyway).

If there are any stories I want them to create with this new franchise, then those are:
- Gwen Stacy's Death, involving Green Goblin as the villain;
- The story of Dr. Connors, with him turning into The Lizard etc you know the rest (though I'm kind of afraid regarding the special effects, I'm hoping they won't blew it!);
- JJJ/Scorpion storyline;
- VENOM!

But of course, I wouldn't mind seeing villains such as Shocker, Mysterio or even Kraven, especially in this first movie, when I think it's too early for GG, Lizard and Scorpion, Venom of course being out of the discussion anyway!

[Gamma Goliath]

Is this directed at my post?

No, it was toward the pic of rhys, it was the first I'd heard of him as the villian.

[Gianakin_]

No, it was toward the pic of rhys, it was the first I'd heard of him as the villian.

Oh, ok.

[I'm Venom]

Now that Rhys Ifans is announced as the villain, any ideas on who he could be playing? Max Dillon? Eddie Brock? Norman? AUNT MAY?

What about Shocker?

[rcazzy]

What about Shocker?
It's possible too, although I've always seen Shocker as a mid-tier villain.

[Octoberist]

Shocker is in the same league as Rhino or Hammerhead. or better than Hammerhead.

[sauronthegreat]

Rhys Ifans definitely looks like Electro or maybe Chameleon, or who knows.. even a younger version of Connors.

[MikeFrost]

Webb added, "What sets the Spider-Man villains apart is the complexity of their relationships with Peter Parker. Rhys' incredible ability to embody both warmth and rage makes him the ideal choice for this character."

Warmth and rage? Venom again? :\

[GoldGoblin]

Warmth and rage? Venom again? :\


^
no,because Brock isn't warm.

[MikeFrost]

We don't know. They could go with the Ultimate/SSM Brock...

[terry78]

I say go with Electro for this one. It would be somewhat of a contrast to what Parker COULD have become if he had decided to throw himself a constant pity party.

[Alex The Great]

Warmth and rage? Venom again? :\
Relationships with Peter Parker? Not again! :argh:

[Hellion]

Rhys Ifans definitely looks like Electro or maybe Chameleon, or who knows.. even a younger version of Connors.

Wouldn't mind the Chameleon. I've been warming up to him the last few days.

Still wanna see Calypso though.

[Venom'sDad]

Chameleon and Rhino. Both are Russian so they could work as a team.Exactly... maybe not so obvious at first; but, that's what so intriguing. Why I also added Silver Sable, Norman, and elements of the Mob. I have a very intriguing story that has drastic consequence, if Spidey can not stop... and quite frankly, he won't... ;)

However, my idea mean nothing; because, I'm sure Sony will do something simple and borderline cheezy. Here's hoping I'm completely wrong... :(



You know, I'm not sure I want Spidey vs the Mob. I feel like Daredevil and Batman should fight the mob, but Spidey is a teen. I just don't know if I'm all the on board with a mob fightMy idea... he's not necessarily fighting the Mob; as much as, he is trying stop a catastrophic arms race, that has consequences, cause by his past, present, and future. ;)

[MikeFrost]

I definatly hope that guy is Electro.

[Venom'sDad]

If I was putting money on it... the easy pick would be Connors. Given the Warmth/Rage comment, and Vandy's original two-part script dealing with The Lizard.

[Ultimate Doom]

Based on his physical appearance i would guess either:
Electro
Chameleon
The Lizard
or
Carnage (hopefully not)
vulture? (lol that would just be lame)

[Ken-Kaniff]

Based on his physical appearance i would guess either:
Carnage (hopefully not)

lol some posts here are really funny. How the heck can they start the movie with Carnage when there's not a symbiote Spider-Man yet, no Venom yet?!?

[Ultimate Doom]

lol some posts here are really funny. How the heck can they start the movie with Carnage when there's not a symbiote Spider-Man yet, no Venom yet?!?

im not saying hes in it, but you have to admit he does look like cletus kassidy

[Ken-Kaniff]

im not saying hes in it, but you have to admit he does look like cletus kassidy
He does look like Kassidy, of course, you are right on that, but he was announced as the villain in the reboot, so even if they will introduce Cletus by now (which would be really early and uncalled for imo), Rhys won't be the one playing him, since he will be the villain! Besides, Cletus Kassidy is not a character that expresses "warmth & rage", he's more like the character who expresses "madness & rage"!;)

[LegendaryCaleb]

Its prolly either
Lizard
Mysterio
Electro

and a slight chance it might be
Chameleon
Vulture or heck...Osborn (which I doubt)

[Ken-Kaniff]

Relationships with Peter Parker? Not again! :argh:
Well, you have some villains where a relationship with Peter is a must have in my opinion! Villains like The Lizard, who is Curt Connors definetly to have connection to Peter. And also Venom & The Green Goblin of course! So if the first villain being used in franchise is The Lizard, then I don't mind him having a relationship with Peter (yes, even if we got that EVERYTIME before!).

But villains like the Chameleon, Kraven, Scorpion, Mysterio or Shocker for example, should definetly not have any kind of relationship with Peter Parker! We don't need to go the Raimi route all over again, that's for sure...:rolleyes:

[GoldGoblin]

Warm and rage sounds like a split personality,either Norman Osborn/GG or Doc Connors/Lizard.

[SpeterMan3]

^
no,because Brock isn't warm.
I'm sure his breath is. :sym:

[Alex The Great]

Well, you have some villains where a relationship with Peter is a must have in my opinion! Villains like The Lizard, who is Curt Connors definetly to have connection to Peter. And also Venom & The Green Goblin of course! So if the first villain being used in franchise is The Lizard, then I don't mind him having a relationship with Peter (yes, even if we got that EVERYTIME before!).

But villains like the Chameleon, Kraven, Scorpion, Mysterio or Shocker for example, should definetly not have any kind of relationship with Peter Parker! We don't need to go the Raimi route all over again, that's for sure...:rolleyes:
Well yeah. Guys like Green Goblin and Lizard definitley should have a relationship with Peter. But all the other villians should just not be close with Peter at all

[Galactus123]

Grizzly
http://www.spidervillain.com/SpiderManCovers/Amazing/ASM139/GrizzlyASM139.gif

:woot:

[spideyboy_1111]

Well yeah. Guys like Green Goblin and Lizard definitley should have a relationship with Peter. But all the other villians should just not be close with Peter at all

well... that's debatable. his best villains affect both sides of the parker coin... some know him personally, others affect it in other ways...

the ones that do this the most... and should always affect both sides

-Green Goblin
-Venom
-Lizard

Then comes these villains who are routed in both sides

-Doc Ock (not as much as the those top 3, but he's done it way more than the rest)
-Scorpion
-Carnage
-Man Wolf (though.... not really a villain)
-Hobgoblin


Villains who've affected his personal life once or twice in notable story archs and only should do so for those story archs on film

-Chameleon (though, really only one story arch in a big way (bringing back his parents)
-Vulture (killing Nathan, aunt may's boyfriend)
-Kingpin

Villains who should only effect the Spider-man side of the coin (in the movies)
Electro
Mysterio
Sandman
Rhino
Shocker
Kraven

[spideyboy_1111]

Warm and rage sounds like a split personality,either Norman Osborn/GG or Doc Connors/Lizard.

actually sounds only like Connors/Lizard to me... Norman has never been a "warm" person

[Spider-Fan83]

though, if it is the lizard that its referring to.... kinda make me wonder how much the actor will be doing as the lizard himself... will we be seeing the split personality, talking, evil plan having lizard...? or would it just mean that we’ll be seeing a slow transformation, where he starts to become more aggressive and mean, closer he gets to his transformation…?

[spideyboy_1111]

i'd assume a little bit of both

[Ultimate Doom]

"Warmth and rage"...Obviously molten-man

you heard it here first, folks

[spideyboy_1111]

haha, i well then i guess dianna would most def be liz allen if casted. hah

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

though, if it is the lizard that its referring to.... kinda make me wonder how much the actor will be doing as the lizard himself... will we be seeing the split personality, talking, evil plan having lizard...? or would it just mean that we’ll be seeing a slow transformation, where he starts to become more aggressive and mean, closer he gets to his transformation…?

More the latter than the former, I'd assume. I doubt the studio would want the Lizard to be speaking English or scheming, they'd probably find it too corny.

[White_Knight191]

Andy Serkis should do the CGI movement for The Lizard imo :p

[GoldGoblin]

I hope we get two villains.

[Ken-Kaniff]

I hope we get two villains.
Me too: the Gold Goblin & Hypno Hustler!

[I'm Venom]

I hope we get two villains.

Agreed. I wonder if there will be more villains.

This guy could be anybody, but just by the way he looks, I could see him as the burglar that kills Uncle Ben.

[Jerkofwonder]

I really hope they introduce Eddie Brock the way it was done in Ultimate. Having Connors is perfect for that, set up Eddie for at least 1 movie before you make him venom.

[Spider-Boy]

The lizard has been confirmed !!!!!!!!

[Spider-Boy]

http://geeksofdoom.com/2010/10/13/confirmed-rhys-ifans-will-be-the-lizard-in-spider-man-reboot/

Along with plenty other sites on the net, see it for yourself!

[Sebastos]

I'll wait for Sony to confirm but I really hope it's true.

[Spider-Boy]

I'll wait for Sony to confirm but I really hope it's true.

It's all over the net everywhere! This is great, Dr.Kurt Connors ftw!

[Spidey_62]

It's true! Lizard is the villain!:liz:

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2010/10/13/report-rhys-ifans-will-terrorize-spider-man-as-the-lizard/

[Alex The Great]

I'm not believing anything until Sony confirms. It's the Emma Stone/Mary Jane thing all over again

[Spidey_62]

I'm not believing anything until Sony confirms. It's the Emma Stone/Mary Jane thing all over again
It better be true. :cmad:

If they don't debunk it, then it means it's probably true. And they didn't debunk any of the Lizard rumors months ago, I recall.

[TheWallCrawler]

When there earlier was a big rumor that Christoph Waltz was going to be the Lizard, Marc Webb denied that Christoph Waltz will be in the movie but he didn't say anything about the Lizard.

He couldn't deny it because the Lizard will really be in the movie!:D

[Eelectro 2]

since casting for billy conners is confirmed, i believe the lizard is in fact the villain. HELLSYEAH! i cant wait to see his transformation and depiction onscreen. i really hope this movie is darker than the previous spider-man movies, altho i do want spider-man to be cocky and witty still.

if the makers of this new franchise kno what they are doing, they will put the stepping stones in place for future sequels. idk about eddie brock necesarilly, maybe we could introduce him in the next film, but there is no reason they need to make up characters like the sam raimi films did so much. there is a long list of characters, villains or friends that they should put into this film. whether or not they have speaking roles, the people on screen, for the most part, should be characters from spider-mans long legacy of comics.

[TheWallCrawler]

since casting for billy conners is confirmed, i believe the lizard is in fact the villain. HELLSYEAH! i cant wait to see his transformation and depiction onscreen. i really hope this movie is darker than the previous spider-man movies, altho i do want spider-man to be cocky and witty still.

if the makers of this new franchise kno what they are doing, they will put the stepping stones in place for future sequels. idk about eddie brock necesarilly, maybe we could introduce him in the next film, but there is no reason they need to make up characters like the sam raimi films did so much. there is a long list of characters, villains or friends that they should put into this film. whether or not they have speaking roles, the people on screen, for the most part, should be characters from spider-mans long legacy of comics.

With Eddie Brock it depends on if they use the ultimate version or not. I mean, the original Eddie Brock/Venom is all about backstory, but the ultimate version of Eddie Brock/ has almost none backstory. Well at least no where near the amount that the original version has...

[MikeFrost]

They really need to set up Eddie early if he is to be an interesting character. Venom's pretty much the most underdeveloped character of Spidey's big baddies.

They need to take their queues from the cartoons. Either the 90s or the new SSM. Both gave him a decent treatment as Eddie Brock.

[Oscorp]

Or simply not use Venom at all. There are so many better villains to use imo. that I'd love to see on the big screen before him.

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

Yeah, if they use Venom again, I don't want it to be until they hit at least 4 movies. I'd like to see him done better than what we got, but the whole symbiote thing is so convoluted, and naturally the comic origin can't be used, so they'd have to come up with something new or go the Raimi route, and frankly, I can do without all that if it means getting some Spider-Man stories that we haven't seen on film yet first.

[Ultimate Doom]

Yeah, if they use Venom again, I don't want it to be until they hit at least 4 movies. I'd like to see him done better than what we got, but the whole symbiote thing is so convoluted, and naturally the comic origin can't be used, so they'd have to come up with something new or go the Raimi route, and frankly, I can do without all that if it means getting some Spider-Man stories that we haven't seen on film yet first.

Yeah same. And as much as i love Venom in the comics, its very hard to find an approach that isnt too "wtf?" for him to be in the movies.

[©KAW]

Did Sony confirm The Lizard yet, they don't have much time they'll be shooting the damn movie soon?

[Oscorp]

Yeah, if they use Venom again, I don't want it to be until they hit at least 4 movies. I'd like to see him done better than what we got, but the whole symbiote thing is so convoluted, and naturally the comic origin can't be used, so they'd have to come up with something new or go the Raimi route, and frankly, I can do without all that if it means getting some Spider-Man stories that we haven't seen on film yet first.

Yeah exactly. I don't want to go through the whole symbiote-thing AGAIN when we could have stories like "Spider-Man Gone Mad" with Mysterio or seeing Scorpion or Electro etc. on screen instead.

[©KAW]

Yeah, let's leave the symbiotes alone until (or if) they make a fourth film.

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

Another motivator for me saying to leave them out for a while is so that they can (hopefully) build a reputation of making great Spider-Man movies so that by the time they get to Venom, the fans will have faith that Webb and company won't botch the ever-lovin' hell out of it.

[GoldGoblin]

Yeah leave the symbiote stuff out until SM4,we don't need another rush job.

[ModestMr.Green]

since casting for billy conners is confirmed, i believe the lizard is in fact the villain. HELLSYEAH! i cant wait to see his transformation and depiction onscreen. i really hope this movie is darker than the previous spider-man movies, altho i do want spider-man to be cocky and witty still.

if the makers of this new franchise kno what they are doing, they will put the stepping stones in place for future sequels. idk about eddie brock necesarilly, maybe we could introduce him in the next film, but there is no reason they need to make up characters like the sam raimi films did so much. there is a long list of characters, villains or friends that they should put into this film. whether or not they have speaking roles, the people on screen, for the most part, should be characters from spider-mans long legacy of comics.

I honestly hope we do get a few 'made-up' characters. It puts a unique stamp on the films versus the comics. What would Nolan's series be without Rachel Dawes? None of Raimi's additions were huge parts of the story anyway.

[Colonel Kurtz]

For the reboot, I would love to see some lesser known early villains such as the Chameleon and the Enforcers/Big Man. The Chameleon could just be an underground Russian mob boss who has to team up with Frederick Foswell and the Enforcers to fight the naive and idealistic Spider-man. Have the movie be character driven as opposed to big budget CG action. Go the Batman Begins route.

[Alex The Great]

Replace the Enforcers with Shocker or Electro and I'm happy :o

[GoldGoblin]

I'm just worried on how the Lizard will look.

[Alex The Great]

I'm sure he'll look fine. People were saying the exact same thing about what Spider-Man's suit would look like in SM1. And look what we got :yay:

[MikeFrost]

It's kinda funny how people are quick to say no to an alien monster villain (Venom), yet they're loving the idea of a big giant lizard monster villain.

You guys do know that the audience will look at it the same way, right? Both require a bigger belief suspension than your typical human with powers supervillain.

[TheSlag]

It's kinda funny how people are quick to say no to an alien monster villain (Venom), yet they're loving the idea of a big giant lizard monster villain.

You guys do know that the audience will look at it the same way, right? Both require a bigger belief suspension than your typical human with powers supervillain.

You mean as opposed to a viliam made of living sand??? that can incorporate non living sand and turn it into living sand that allows him to grow to Godzilla size?????

[GoldGoblin]

It's kinda funny how people are quick to say no to an alien monster villain (Venom), yet they're loving the idea of a big giant lizard monster villain.

You guys do know that the audience will look at it the same way, right? Both require a bigger belief suspension than your typical human with powers supervillain.

^
Wrong,cause Lizard has more depth.

[MikeFrost]

You mean as opposed to a viliam made of living sand??? that can incorporate non living sand and turn it into living sand that allows him to grow to Godzilla size?????

Nope, as opposed to guys like Shocker, Electro, Octopus, Goblin, Cameleon, Mysterio, Rhino, Kraven, etc.

^Wrong,cause Lizard has more depth. No.

Curt Conners has more depth. Lizard is just a hissing creature.

It's depth relies on it's human counterpart. Same can be said for Venom if you have a good caracterization and development of Eddie Brock.

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

It's kinda funny how people are quick to say no to an alien monster villain (Venom), yet they're loving the idea of a big giant lizard monster villain.

You guys do know that the audience will look at it the same way, right? Both require a bigger belief suspension than your typical human with powers supervillain.

Nobody's saying no to Venom on the grounds that he's too ridiculous or unbelievable of a villain, we're saying no because we've already gotten Venom, and because he shouldn't be in the first movie of a series. He requires build-up, and other villains have to come first so that when Venom shows up, the audience can see what a unique threat he is, and how different from other Spider-Man villains he is.

[Havok83]

Nobody's saying no to Venom on the grounds that he's too ridiculous or unbelievable of a villain, we're saying no because we've already gotten Venom, and because he shouldn't be in the first movie of a series. He requires build-up, and other villains have to come first so that when Venom shows up, the audience can see what a unique threat he is, and how different from other Spider-Man villains he is.
IA. One of the reasons his potrayal in SM3 suck bc they rushed it without the proper build up. He should have been in the movie after SM3, not in that one himself. Theres no way he can or should be the primary villian for the first movie of this new reboot. It just cant work the way it should

[MikeFrost]

Oh, I agree, I wouldn't want Venom in the first movies either. Just pointing it out for people who love to bash on the "ridiculous black goop character".

This is not, in any way, a "I want Venom in the first movie" post. :woot:

[GoldGoblin]

Venom is the grand finale,he should be used after all the other good stuff is used first.That's why they should wait until SM6 to have him show up.

[chaseter]

Well this thread has run it's course...

[TheSlag]

Nope, as opposed to guys like Shocker, Electro, Octopus, Goblin, Cameleon, Mysterio, Rhino, Kraven, etc.


Your original point was that fans would not "believe" in a 6 foot Lizard monster running amok, but I was pointing out how they would(?)/did accept/believe a 60 foot Sandman monster.

[MikeFrost]

Not the fans but the general audience.

And my point wasn't about the audience not believing it. It was about them believing it just as much as they do with Venom or, like you pointed out, Sandman. Seems we're on the same page here.

[©KAW]

The general audience will buy it easily, as long as it's not horrible written and directed. If they bought a Liquid Metal Man from Terminator 2, an Alien Hunter from Predator, Cars transforming into talking robots from Transformers, Chewy and Yoda from Star Wars, blue cat like native creatures from another planet in Avatar, Orcs and talking trees from Lord of the Rings. THE LIZARD will be a walk in the park.

[TheSlag]

Not the fans but the general audience.

And my point wasn't about the audience not believing it. It was about them believing it just as much as they do with Venom or, like you pointed out, Sandman. Seems we're on the same page here.

It appeared that the "general audience" bought Sandman, which we agree is even LESS believable that an alien life form, so I think the Lizard with all the advances in gene splicing/dna research/cloning/etc.... will NOT be a stretch for them either in this genre.

[MikeFrost]

Sigh. You guys aren't getting what I'm saying! I'm agreeing with you!

I started this point as something countering those who say people wouldn't buy Venom or Sandman...

[TheSlag]

Sigh. You guys aren't getting what I'm saying! I'm agreeing with you!

I started this point as something countering those who say people wouldn't buy Venom or Sandman...

Fair enough, I thought you were arguing that the general audience would not accept the Lizard.

[itsleroy]

If people can buy a teenager crawling up walls and shooting webs from his wrists they can buy a giant lizard..

[Ken-Kaniff]

It appeared that the "general audience" bought Sandman, which we agree is even LESS believable that an alien life form, so I think the Lizard with all the advances in gene splicing/dna research/cloning/etc.... will NOT be a stretch for them either in this genre.
Yes, indeed! I also thought Sandman was the less "believable" of all the villains anyway, but it worked out!

So there are no reasons that Lizard wouldn't work, they just need to make the right calls.

[The Caped Clown]

I think The Lizard can still carry the emotional resonance intrinsic to his character in a kind of backwards way in these Webb films. They need to build up the relationship between he and Peter for the first act and pace his transformation and the ensuing chaos the rest of the film. Then if they keep Dr Connors in the rest of the (presumed) trilogy as an ally to Peter a la Alfred of Fox in Nolan's Batman films, the character would be properly serviced. I feel having Peter save him from his alter ego in the first film and then seeing the relationship continue to grow as Spider-man's trials grow larger and more sinister with Connors by his side, it would make for a very compelling and fleshed out relationship.

[GoldGoblin]

If movies like Dr.Jekyl and Mr Hyde can do it,then the Lizard can do it.

[Oscorp]

Just curious, how would you guys react if it actually turns out he's not Lizard at all but someone like Electro instead. Sure, they may be looking for Ben Connors but that doesn't necessarily mean that Rhys will be Connors and that Connors will turn into Lizard in this one, even though it's the most plausible thing.

Would you be disappointed?

[Gianakin_]

Nope. As long as he serves the story well, I'm cool.

[Alex The Great]

Electro :hrt:

[Venom'sDad]

Chameleon :hrt:

[THE LIZARD#1]

Lizard :hrt:

Sorry...I had to. :p

[SpeterMan3]

Speter :hrt:

[ModestMr.Green]

Speter :hrt:

[Excelsior.]

Vermin. :hrt:

[Oscorp]

Scorpion :hrt:

Sorry I kinda felt the flow...

[LegendaryCaleb]

Id prefer if it were Electro...not only does Rhys look more like him...but he acts like how i could see Electro on the big screen...also...Electro + 3D = OMG! lol

[SpeterMan3]

Yeah, I'd really rather not have Lizard for the first film.

[Oscorp]

Id prefer if it were Electro...not only does Rhys look more like him...but he acts like how i could see Electro on the big screen...also...Electro + 3D = OMG! lol

I actually agree with this. Even though Connors doesn't have a really specific face like e.g. Sandman, Norman or Ock, I think Rhys Ifans don't look like how I'd imagine Connors. But I have no doubt that he'd be able to pull off Connors great. He's an awesome actor. But I still think I'd prefer him as Electro as you said. And Electro fits more as a "first-movie-villain" imo than Lizard. However, I don't really care about the 3D thing. If anything, Lizard would make for cooler 3D than Electro I think. But I hope that they don't make 3D such a central thing rather than alot of more important stuff.

[LegendaryCaleb]

Yeah man
Lizard is a second or third villain
add Kraven and you got an epic

[Oscorp]

Yeah man
Lizard is a second or third villain
add Kraven and you got an epic

IMO, he's one of the A-villains. But he still doesn't really fit as the first villain I think. Anyway, I'll be proven wrong I guess :)

[Venom'sDad]

Lizard shouldn't be the main villain for a totally, complete reboot; unless it's a reboot, loosely based on the previous three... which really should be called a loose continuation.

[Troy_Parker]

Meh, Shocker or Electro.

He just has that kind of look.

[RedX]

FIRST: I DO NOT CONDONE THIS IN ANY WAY!
Second: I think it would be SMART to use Morbius as the villain because he's Dr. Connors' colleague, so you INTODUCE Dr. Connors, and you can tap into the vampire craze.
ONE AGAIN: I DO NOT WANT A VAMPIRE IN THE MOVIE, I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE A MONEY-MAKER.

[SpeterMan3]

Or just focus on a good story and not give in to this ridiculous vampire craze. They shouldn't be too worried about money here.

[Hellion]

Using Lizard leaves the door open for Kraven and Calypso so I'm cool with Lizard

[Venom'sDad]

I think this movie is going to bomb. They are aiming at the wrong demographic....

[Alex The Great]

It's Spider-Man. People will still flock to see it

[Venom'sDad]

Yeah, I know, but don't expect more than $250 mil domestic. It will not reach expectation, is what I'm saying.... unless the expectation is approx $200 mil.

[Sentinel X]

I think this movie is going to bomb. They are aiming at the wrong demographic.... how do you know that when we haven't gotten even a pic out yet? :huh:

[Mace Bloodstone]

I think this movie is going to bomb. They are aiming at the wrong demographic....

So what demographic are they aiming for?

[Spider-Fan83]

Yeah, I know, but don't expect more than $250 mil domestic. It will not reach expectation, is what I'm saying.... unless the expectation is approx $200 mil.
ya, but, with only a $80 mil budget, $250 mil would still make them a decent profit... that would still nearly triple there money

I mean, will it make as much as the others, maybe/maybe not... but, the budget on those movies were much higher.... an each movie got more expensive to make and made less... if were talking money, from a strictly business prospective, this was good move on there behalf...

I personally think it has a good chance at making better numbers then that, tho... but, who knows....

[©KAW]

How the hell did they make SKYLINE with only 10 MILLION bucks?

[GoldGoblin]

Because the AfterEffects program is only $1000 and you only need one guy to use it if they know what they are doing.Have you seen what regular people can do with that program.

[©KAW]

That's amazing! There was a large number of special effects, that makes all three Spider-Man films look mediocre (train scene excluded) yet they did it for 10 million dollars, that's freakin' amazing on an epic scale.

Yet, Sony spent nearly 600 MILLION on 3 films. 258 million on SM3 alone. :dry:

[chaseter]

TDK cost nearly 200 million.

[©KAW]

I don't doubt it, but it wasn't filled with dodgy and cartoonish CGI. There's something serious wrong here, I'm really starting to think less money is actually good for the reboot.

I don't get SKYLINE being made for 10 Million, when I saw that I was freakin' floored.

[Excelsior.]

TDK cost nearly 200 million.

Location shooting does that to you.

[chaseter]

I don't doubt it, but it wasn't filled with dodgy and cartoonish CGI. There's something serious wrong here, I'm really starting to think less money is actually good for the reboot.

I don't get SKYLINE being made for 10 Million, when I saw that I was freakin' floored.

It is very hard to do human cgi faces. It is easy to make aliens look amazing, it is not easy to make Doc Ock's face look photoreal. His tentacles looked amazing. Sandman's transformations looked amazing. Venom looked amazing. Spider-Man swinging looked amazing. I don't get what you are getting at. The only thing that looked cartoony was giant Sandman.

[©KAW]

Spider-Man's visual effects are not consistent, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's horrible and sometimes it's damn right cartoonish. A better Visual Effects company, namely WETA, would fix a lot the problems they have.

If not, I'd settle for SKYLINE's directors Colin and Greg Strause special effects company Hydraulx.

[©KAW]

The list of laughable things is far too long to name in SM3.

[Matt Mortem]

I think the story was more bothersome in SM3. I was too distracted to how off-kilter it was to notice the FX

[Spider-Boy]

To be honest, (and I'll probably get cricified for this), I thought a few scenes in SM2 were horribly "cartoony". I won't take anything away from the train scene because that was the definition of epic. But the beginning of the movie, with the pizza delivery? So dissappionted, check it out again and see if you can figure out what I'm talking about. I remember going into the movie for the first time about 6 years ago being extremely pumped at the begging due to the fact that he'd already been given his powers and that Spidey would be in the entire movie... But after that scene I was in shock, until the bank scene that is. Redemption.

[©KAW]

Like I said, Sony Imageworks isn't consistent. Their visual effects goes from good to horrible/cartoony throughout the entire film. Yet, they don't want to give Spider-Man to a better visual effect company to enhance the quality.

[Reikowolf]

Upon reading everyone's posts and giving thought to the central themes that work in certain Superhero movies, IMO the answer to all of Spider-Man's villains roster comes down to genetics.

The problem many of these movies face is putting in villains just because they were in the comics.

Raimi's trilogy had Spider-Man, a genetic creation, facing off against Scientifically made freaks. All caused by accidents. Spider-Man, in fact, being one himself.

Under this logic, most failed experiments result in some sort of super-power.

The new Batman movies focus on Balance, the line between order and chaos. Raj Al Ghul and the Joker are both agents that challenge Batman's order.

For the new movies, they should focus on the genetic aspects of what made Peter into Spider-Man. Perhaps some of these villains do not need to be accidents, maybe they can have purpose.

Raimi slightly touched on this in the first Spider-Man, the Goblin saw himself as Spider-Man's equal, the first of a new breed. This is a formula that could lead into the Sinister Six.

The Ultimate Comics touches on it several times, most of Spidey's rogues are genetic creations, even Ultimate Electro.

Food for thought.

[Hugebear]

You know, that is why the Chameleon is a great villain for the first movie, he was not created in an experiment or by some accident. He was already a villain before Peter became Spider-man. He didn't become a villain at the same time Peter became Spider-man.

[MikeFrost]

I think it's exactly the fact that his most popular foes are result of accidents that gives it it's strength. It's them who should be featured, not the minor thugs and foes.

The underlying theme behind Spider-man was always with great power also comes great responsability. It's exactly that that's represented here on both sides - ordinary people who are suddently gifted with enormous power. These are stories about choice and doing the right thing.

[Hugebear]

Featuring foes that are the result of accidents only can become it's weakness, when there is more that is possible. Like the fact that not all important villains need to have powers.

[©KAW]

It's all in the writing, you can have weak villains in those who have powers or not. If they decide to go the secondary villain with no powers, he better be written with some depth and complexity. Some non-powered villains can be more powerful (screen presence) than super powered ones. Spider-Man's villains really have the best of both worlds if they're utilized properly.

[p4poetic]

Unused villain(s) to avoid comparisons.

[©KAW]

You will never avoid comparisons.

[Oscorp]

Featuring foes that are the result of accidents only can become it's weakness, when there is more that is possible. Like the fact that not all important villains need to have powers.

I like your thinking man, you're totally right.

That's one reason why I actually like villains such as Vulture, Shocker, Mysterio etc. who created their own "power" on their own.

[©KAW]

I always thought that Shocker could be turned into a really great villain on screen. Not too interested in Vulture or Mysterio.

[chaseter]

I hope they use Van Atter.

[socool]

I hope they use Van Atter.

...

Ok, that was good.

[chaseter]

I was joshing :awesome:

[grand-I-am]

I think The Lizard can still carry the emotional resonance intrinsic to his character in a kind of backwards way in these Webb films. They need to build up the relationship between he and Peter for the first act and pace his transformation and the ensuing chaos the rest of the film. Then if they keep Dr Connors in the rest of the (presumed) trilogy as an ally to Peter a la Alfred of Fox in Nolan's Batman films, the character would be properly serviced. I feel having Peter save him from his alter ego in the first film and then seeing the relationship continue to grow as Spider-man's trials grow larger and more sinister with Connors by his side, it would make for a very compelling and fleshed out relationship.

Raimi not including lizard was the biggest pile of dung i ever seen. Does anyone really know the reason why raimi didn't include that character?

[grand-I-am]

Yeah, but the thing is that people are used to changed costumes because it's been compromised in the past. If you establish the costumes as making sense within the context of this series, it won't seem as goofy and out of place. Besides, I'm not totally against any and all changes, I just don't want everything being radically changed to the point where the character is virtually unrecognizable just because their costume was "cheesy." Comics are cheesy, folks, and the people in the theatre are showing up to see a comic book movie. A little cheese, if properly applied, is going to keep the hardcore fanboys happy without alienating the casual viewers.

*standing ovation*
The costume changes hurts the movie more than helps it. From raimi's goblin to the x-men wearing these ridiculous black spandex...DON'T CHANGE THE COSTUMES! please for goodness sake
I can understand altering the costumes here and there but c'mon don't change it all the way to the point where you can't recognize the character anymore...

[grand-I-am]

I'm not saying he's a bad villain. I'm saying he's just not leading villain material.

Herman Schultz was a career criminal who, after several prison terms for robbery, built a battle suit that sent out shock waves to quickly open safes as well as give himself a one-up on the authorities. He's just another thug with powers. His powers are almost Electro lite type powers.

How could anyone think he could be a leading solo villain in a 2 hour movie?

Shocker reminds me way too much of whiplash. Yes, Shocker is a cool villain but i just don't think he's enough to carry a whole movie...

Green Goblin has insanity to deal with, and Kraven is about the hunt, but most of Spider-Man’s villains are just crooks with powers and more concerned with knocking over the next bank.

So true ! haha

[Mysterioman]

I'd like to see maybe Jack O' Lantern or Doc Ock.

[Hellion]

still sayin' Calypso and Kraven

[Alchemyst]

I wouldn't mind seeing Shocker and Electro

[©KAW]

A killing machine within The Lizard!

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss210/KAWpics/121_WEB_OF_SPIDER_MAN_5.jpg

[Oscorp]

That's one of my favourite Spidey related pics ever, actually!

[Ajendo]

I just had spent the entire weekend watching the harry potter movies and I'm amazed at the fact that these movies are targetted essentially for the kiddies, yet they're pretty damn dark, infinitely more so than Raimi's spidey movies and thats what I love about the potter movies, they're not ashamed of the subject matter and convincingly deliver the more dark and horror aspects without a care in the world. I find it strange that there isn't a single spidey movie that's anywhere near as dark or even mature for that matter as the kiddy harry potter movies.

[Troy_Parker]

^ I actually thought they got darker by the movie. lol but yeah, even the first one was kinda... woah considering the target audience.

[Ajendo]

Agreed they did. With every Potter release the films got increasingly darker but what impresses me the most is that the film makers were unflinching in bringing the level of darkness and maturity to these films which were/are predominantly targeted at children. Yet, the spidey movies so far havnt come anywhere as close.

[©KAW]

I just had spent the entire weekend watching the harry potter movies and I'm amazed at the fact that these movies are targetted essentially for the kiddies, yet they're pretty damn dark, infinitely more so than Raimi's spidey movies and thats what I love about the potter movies, they're not ashamed of the subject matter and convincingly deliver the more dark and horror aspects without a care in the world. I find it strange that there isn't a single spidey movie that's anywhere near as dark or even mature for that matter as the kiddy harry potter movies.Agreed they did. With every Potter release the films got increasingly darker but what impresses me the most is that the film makers were unflinching in bringing the level of darkness and maturity to these films which were/are predominantly targeted at children. Yet, the spidey movies so far havnt come anywhere as close.That's because we had a director, writers and producers who all wanted a children movie based on Spider-Man to sell toys. The motive was to make money not make a great Spider-Man film. Not knowing that if you proceed with this direction, the consequences are dire creatively. The Harry Potter directors knew this, Chris Nolan (Batman) knows this, Peter Jackson (Lord of the Rings) knew it, as well. Sam Raimi did not. It's impossible to make a great superhero comic book based film, that has a clear vision, while catering to children, it cannot be done.

Spider-Man's villains suffered the most when they decided to cater a "PG-13" film towards 4 to 6 year olds. Harry Potter's villains look more scary and are more dangerous, complex and ruthless than Spider-Man's villains. And we all know, that crap is not suppose to be.

Let us hope that Marc Webb has to balls to fight for a more mature, complex and creatively engaging Spider-Man movie. Or he too will get the ax.

[Troy_Parker]

Agreed they did. With every Potter release the films got increasingly darker but what impresses me the most is that the film makers were unflinching in bringing the level of darkness and maturity to these films which were/are predominantly targeted at children. Yet, the spidey movies so far havnt come anywhere as close.

I completely agree with you, if nothing, S-M 3 should have been pretty dark but no, we got Saturday Night Fever instead. -.-

[Hellion]

A killing machine within The Lizard!

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss210/KAWpics/121_WEB_OF_SPIDER_MAN_5.jpg

Awesome...:hrt:...new background

[itsleroy]

Lizard, and Shocker or Electro.

Seriously.

[Mace Bloodstone]

That's because we had a director, writers and producers who all wanted a children movie based on Spider-Man to sell toys. The motive was to make money not make a great Spider-Man film. Not knowing that if you proceed with this direction, the consequences are dire creatively. The Harry Potter directors knew this, Chris Nolan (Batman) knows this, Peter Jackson (Lord of the Rings) knew it, as well. Sam Raimi did not. It's impossible to make a great superhero comic book based film, that has a clear vision, while catering to children, it cannot be done.

Spider-Man's villains suffered the most when they decided to cater a "PG-13" film towards 4 to 6 year olds. Harry Potter's villains look more scary and are more dangerous, complex and ruthless than Spider-Man's villains. And we all know, that crap is not suppose to be.

Let us hope that Marc Webb has to balls to fight for a more mature, complex and creatively engaging Spider-Man movie. Or he too will get the ax.


sweet :up:

[Spider-Boy]

I have a feeling that, providing the Lizard is the villain for the movie, we still won't see even a minor glimpse of him (Lizard form of course) until at least April or March. Why? When they casted Doc Ock they didn't even confirm him as the villain until the beginning of February... A picture didn't come out until March...ish? Maybe April, I don't remember exactly. Point being? We won't figure out the villain for at least another month or so, but when we do fasten your seat belts everyone.

[GoldGoblin]

Agreed they did. With every Potter release the films got increasingly darker but what impresses me the most is that the film makers were unflinching in bringing the level of darkness and maturity to these films which were/are predominantly targeted at children. Yet, the spidey movies so far havnt come anywhere as close.

^
Why is that?

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

Just saw this on Cinematical:

At the time all we had was the name Van Adder, which at first didn't make much sense to anyone. This wasn't a classic Spider-Man character, or even one who was widely known, so folks were understandably curious as to who this Van Adder actually was. Well, a full name and a few more searches have finally given us the answer: Khan will be playing Nels Van Adder, a character who appeared very briefly in the comics as an employee of Oscorp Industries, a weapons manufacturer run by Norman Osborn (aka Green Goblin).

In the comics, Osborn had used his partner's incomplete notes on the Goblin serum and tested it out on Van Adder, slowly driving him insane while turning him into a weird, red demon goblin named "Proto-Goblin". The other powers given to Van Adder via the Goblin serum include large claws, talons, fangs, glowing green eyes, and near impenetrable skin. It is not clear yet how his origins will change for the film, but knowing his beginnings were at Oscorp most likely means they're setting it up for Green Goblin to appear in later sequels (perhaps as the villain in part two).

If they do stick somewhat close to the original storyline, then expect either Norman Osborn and/or his partner Mendel Stromm to be cast (perhaps secretly?) soon.

Meanwhile, Khan briefly spoke about the role to the New York Times. Check out his statements after the jump.

Khan doesn't seem to even know his character's name yet, but he did have this to say: "He's a character who, I think, was not in the comics or perhaps a minor character. I've read some pages, but the whole script hasn't been made available to me." On whether he's done any training: "You don't do training for action. You're waiting for action. You just strap yourself into a harness and go." So there ya go -- at least we know he'll be in a harness at some point.

http://blog.moviefone.com/2010/12/07/spider-man-proto-goblin-irrfan-khan/

[Ken-Kaniff]

A killing machine within The Lizard!

....
Good find, that's a really great picture! Let's hope they will turn Lizard into a ferocious killing machine and not into Barney The Dinosaur!

[MikeFrost]

On whether he's done any training: "You don't do training for action. You're waiting for action. You just strap yourself into a harness and go."

Anyone else a bit worried about this comment?

I mean, he's an actor. If it treats his material like this it surely means that we won't be getting any top performance or care from his side...

[Spidey_62]

I'm surprised how monotone and unenthusiastic Irrfan Khan sounds about this, YOU'VE JUST BEEN CAST AS A VILLAIN IN A SPIDER-MAN MOVIE. Heck, I'd take being an extra in a Spidey movie if I could; and I'd be ecstatic about it, too.

[MikeFrost]

He also added this:

Is that his name? These science-fiction names don't mean a lot to me.

When asked about Van Adder.

Yep, I'm definatly not feeling this guy for the role. He doesn't care who his character is.

[©KAW]

He probably doesn't know who the character is (we didn't), a lot of people here didn't even know who Van Atter/Van Adder was (or if it's a codename), and we're Spider-Man geeks. Even if he does know something, he ain't telling a damn thing, Sony would put him to sleep. Plus, they didn't even give him the entire script, WTF?

If they did that to Sally Field, I wouldn't blame her for not wanting the role.

Irfan Khan is a solid actor. Slumdog Millionaire, In Treatment and The Namesake. I'm glad he's on board. If he puts half of his talent into the role as he did for these projects, he'll be damn good.

[Wolverine1988]

Proto Goblin?God i hope not.

Spider-Man has a great rougue gallery, not sure why they would go down that route

[MikeFrost]

Why boast about not knowing tho?

If I received a character to play, I'd at least want to make sure I knew who I was playing. If someone asked me and I didn't know, I would never respond a question with a "these science-fiction names don't mean a lot to me."

That's just being unprofessional and showing that you don't really care much about the character.

[©KAW]

Not everyone is going to kneel and masturbate because they're in a Spider-Man film. He's an actor, a damn good actor. It's up to the director, producers and writers to care about the characters.

Sony would kick his ass, that's why he isn't talking. Did you not see the big stink that was made over Kirsten telling who the villains were. It's all about secrecy with them, especially when it links to the villains. I hate when people are interviewed for the Spider-Man films, they're basically trying to give an interview knowing they can't say anything. You have a better chance with the actors who have been confirmed by Sony of their role, to give you some tidbits.

I wish I could find that video of James Vanderbilt (reboot screenwriter) being asked about the movie. The guy was scared sh--less to say anything. I thought he was going to swallow his own tongue trying to avoid questions. He act as if someone had a gun to a loved one's head off camera, daring him to give an informative and coherent answer.

[MikeFrost]

There's a huge difference between saying "I can't tell you anything" and "I don't care for this character".

I've seen him in movies and I know that he's good. It just rubs me the wrong way to see someone so blantantly out of what he's about to do. It's not like he was trying to hide who he was going to play. He just said "I don't care."

Remember Hugo Weaving with Megatron? Man, I love Hugo Weaving but that was a bit cold to the fans.

Also, it's hardly only up to the director, producers and writers to care about the characters. If the actor likes what he's doing he'll be giving you a 200% performance other than going "bleh, it's just a big paycheck". Or do you really think that we'd be getting some of these great performances from people like Robert Downey Junior, for example?

[GoldGoblin]

I think this guy will be Kraven and the name "Proto-Goblin" is just something Norman calls him when he uses him as the first human experiment.

He could be a security guard who works at Oscorp,Norman uses him for the first human testing.The guy doesn't transform into a goblin,the serum just gives him super strength,agility,and makes him go mad.

Dr.Connors could be Norman's assistant in the procedure.Dr.Connors could reach out to the security guard to help him up after the procedure and when the security guard takes Dr.Connors arm,his super strength accidently rips Dr.Connors arm off of him.

Maybe the security guard at his home is a wife beater and when he hits his wife,the formula makes him kill her.Wanting revenge,the security guard goes after the two men who did this to him.

The security guard's last name could be Kraven.So Kraven goes after Dr.Connors first.After the disaster Dr.Connors has been working on the goblin formula.The goblin formula already has super healing abilities,but Dr.Connors thinks that by adding lizard DNA into it,that it will actually regrow lost limbs.

[ModestMr.Green]

I think this guy will be Kraven and the name "Proto-Goblin" is just something Norman calls him when he uses him as the first human experiment.

He could be a security guard who works at Oscorp,Norman uses him for the first human testing.The guy doesn't transform into a goblin,the serum just gives him super strength,agility,and makes him go mad.

Dr.Connors could be Norman's assistant in the procedure.Dr.Connors could reach out to the security guard to help him up after the procedure and when the security guard takes Dr.Connors arm,his super strength accidently rips Dr.Connors arm off of him.

Maybe the security guard at his home is a wife beater and when he hits his wife,the formula makes him kill her.Wanting revenge,the security guard goes after the two men who did this to him.

The security guard's last name could be Kraven.So Kraven goes after Dr.Connors first.After the disaster Dr.Connors has been working on the goblin formula.The goblin formula already has super healing abilities,but Dr.Connors thinks that by adding lizard DNA into it,that it will actually regrow lost limbs.

Yeah, and maybe he'll team up with Felicia Hardy in a vulture suit. :up:

[Hurm...]

I think this guy will be Kraven and the name "Proto-Goblin" is just something Norman calls him when he uses him as the first human experiment.

He could be a security guard who works at Oscorp,Norman uses him for the first human testing.The guy doesn't transform into a goblin,the serum just gives him super strength,agility,and makes him go mad.

Dr.Connors could be Norman's assistant in the procedure.Dr.Connors could reach out to the security guard to help him up after the procedure and when the security guard takes Dr.Connors arm,his super strength accidently rips Dr.Connors arm off of him.

Maybe the security guard at his home is a wife beater and when he hits his wife,the formula makes him kill her.Wanting revenge,the security guard goes after the two men who did this to him.

The security guard's last name could be Kraven.So Kraven goes after Dr.Connors first.After the disaster Dr.Connors has been working on the goblin formula.The goblin formula already has super healing abilities,but Dr.Connors thinks that by adding lizard DNA into it,that it will actually regrow lost limbs.
Are you serious?

[Venom 1988]

With Gold Goblin who the hell knows

[Hurm...]

With Gold Goblin who the hell knowsLOL true. Long time, Venom1988, since the SSM boards. :word:
With the production of this film, it feels like a big ol' family reunion.

[MikeFrost]

I always get the feeling I'm being trolled whenever I read a Gold Goblin post.

[MikeFrost]

Double post.

[GoldGoblin]

If this villain has super powers but doesn't have a goblin costume and goblin tech,then he has to either be:

1.A monster type goblin which would ruin the chance of ever seeing Harry become GG2 or ever seeing Hobgoblin,cause it would be way too many villains.

2.A human with super powers,which would be Kraven.

3.A human with super powers,which would make it worse than New Goblin.

[MikeFrost]

Your train of thought sure is epic.

If not for the fact that a "human with superpowers" can pretty much be anyone from Spider-man's rogues if we're going by your logic...

Thing is, if you have a random guy suddently become a known villain, you're bound to piss off the fans. How would you like it if Peter was actually a guy called Steve and he was bitten by a spider in the jungle thus becoming Spider-man - Guardian of the Jungle.

[LegendaryCaleb]

I think this guy will be Kraven and the name "Proto-Goblin" is just something Norman calls him when he uses him as the first human experiment.

He could be a security guard who works at Oscorp,Norman uses him for the first human testing.The guy doesn't transform into a goblin,the serum just gives him super strength,agility,and makes him go mad.

Dr.Connors could be Norman's assistant in the procedure.Dr.Connors could reach out to the security guard to help him up after the procedure and when the security guard takes Dr.Connors arm,his super strength accidently rips Dr.Connors arm off of him.

Maybe the security guard at his home is a wife beater and when he hits his wife,the formula makes him kill her.Wanting revenge,the security guard goes after the two men who did this to him.

The security guard's last name could be Kraven.So Kraven goes after Dr.Connors first.After the disaster Dr.Connors has been working on the goblin formula.The goblin formula already has super healing abilities,but Dr.Connors thinks that by adding lizard DNA into it,that it will actually regrow lost limbs.
I have to say...this is a way out there incredibly random idea...and I dislike it thoroughly.:doh:

[Ultimate Doom]

All I want is Lizard, perhaps Kraven but I think its too late for that now.

[GoldGoblin]

Maybe Norman tries to inject a goblin serum into some guy but the serum doesn't turn the guy into a hulk goblin,but makes him turn into Electro.

[Ken-Kaniff]

Maybe Norman tries to inject a goblin serum into some guy but the serum doesn't turn the guy into a hulk goblin,but makes him turn into Electro.
Yeah, but he accidentally injects it into his ass and turns into the Rhino instead! How's that? Brilliant, right?

[LegendaryCaleb]

how would a goblin serum make him electric? LOL

[MikeFrost]

Oh cmon now, he clearly isn't serious!

[Matt Mortem]

After reading this page my head has exploded. Congrats

[NinjaCarm]

I think this sums up Proto-Golin very nicely.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa140/tesla_mw/picard-face-palm.gif

[GoldGoblin]

Do you think we will see GG show up at the end of the movie and we will see a Goblin war,like if this proto-goblin ends up being Hobgoblin?

[Matt Mortem]

Do you think we will see GG show up at the end of the movie and we will see a Goblin war,like if this proto-goblin ends up being Hobgoblin?
no no no no no :dry:

[©KAW]

There's a huge difference between saying "I can't tell you anything" and "I don't care for this character".

I've seen him in movies and I know that he's good. It just rubs me the wrong way to see someone so blantantly out of what he's about to do. It's not like he was trying to hide who he was going to play. He just said "I don't care."

Remember Hugo Weaving with Megatron? Man, I love Hugo Weaving but that was a bit cold to the fans.

Also, it's hardly only up to the director, producers and writers to care about the characters. If the actor likes what he's doing he'll be giving you a 200% performance other than going "bleh, it's just a big paycheck". Or do you really think that we'd be getting some of these great performances from people like Robert Downey Junior, for example?
He said he doesn't care for the science-fiction NAMES (think names like Dr. Doom, Mr. Fantastic, Dr. Octopus) not the character that he's playing. BTW, he's not going to name the character regardless, or confirm anything, I'm damn sure Sony told him that much.

Do you really think the guy doesn't know how to read, he has to know his character's name and his role when shooting starts, don't you think? He rubs you the wrong way because he didn't tell you his character's name or specific role, which is exactly what Sony wanted him to do. Now they've gotcha guessing and speculating.

I hate to be the one who says this, but a lot actors take roles for the paycheck, sometime they're still freakin' great in the role and sometimes they're not. The actors in Fantastic Four seem to love their roles (so did the director), yet, the movie was still crap. :dry:

[S_H_F_4839]

I am a big fan of lizard and have been pulling for him for years. Was kind of hoping to see raimis take on him but now that is out. So I will keep an open mind on this film. The casting so far has been pretty much spot on. I dont know much at all about protogoblin/van adder but I am interested to see how they use the character, I dont want to see them turn him into kraven I know.

I would love to see them include kraven but I want it to be closer to the source material. I think that story has always had potential kraven hunting spiderman until he learns of the lizard and changes targets mid hunt.

If they do use van adder and turn him into a goblin I dont want him refered to as proto goblin and dont want to see jameson come up with his name just to see it.

The only thing about a kraven hunting lizard plot is it should be backstory not the main foil for spiderman, I would not mind seeing van adder but it does kind of feel forced to me we have had three spiderman movies and two out of three of them had goblin plots, would rather khans casting be a feint that the name van adder was leaked just to stir us up.

[©KAW]

I would love to see them include kraven but I want it to be closer to the source material. I think that story has always had potential kraven hunting spiderman (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=333285&page=69#) until he learns of the lizard and changes targets mid hunt.I like this idea, but I would approach it the other way around. There is no animal more dangerous than man.

[Venom'sDad]

I would love to see them include kraven but I want it to be closer to the source material. I think that story has always had potential kraven hunting spiderman until he learns of the lizard and changes targets mid hunt.

The only thing about a kraven hunting lizard plot is it should be backstory not the main foil for spiderman....... would rather khans casting be a feint that the name van adder was leaked just to stir us up.I too am hopefully that Khans casting is feint.... mentioned this as a possibility, in another thread. However, I disagree with "Kraven hunting Lizard should be a backstory". It think that should be up front and that the backstory should be a story that is setting up a primary villain down the line.

Example: Something similar, but maybe not exactly... given what we know will or won't happen.

Spider-Man: The Reboot
The villains… Lizard, Kraven, Carnage, and Kingsley… so bare with me, I’m not sure I can do justice with how I envision this. There are two stories going on here… the threat now and the threat of the future. The story does get a little dark, as there are some killings; but nothing requiring a R-rating, because we know Sony is not going for that. However, the killings are highly implied, as suggested in Spider-Man 2 hospital scene.

First the future threat and side plot. I would open with Spidey narrating about Harry’s death and him & MJ friendship and their new outlook on life; as he is chasing down three “professional criminals”… one who may one day become a villain. In the middle of his narration, we hear in the background of breaking news of two inmates escaping while being transferred to a death row holding facility. The opening scene chase leads to Empire State Univ. Genetics Lab headed by Miles Warren.

In the criminals attempt to escape, needless to say, they knock over experiments, tables, and equipment, trying to escape from Spidey. One thing subtlety knocked over was the vial containing the Symbiote, that has attached itself to one of the criminal‘s jacket… the only one to get away. The other two are nabbed and webbed by Spidey. The other one takes his jacket and mask off and discard it in an alley dumpster, and walk away scot-free.

As we follow the story throughout the film, the audience, with the help of great writing, slowly discover that someone is financing “professionals criminals” in highly classified theft of secrets & technologies from both Qwest & Oscorps Industries, while Oscorps is facing a hostel takeover bid from Rodderick Kingsley. I know Qwest was undone by the Green Goblin, but they still possess highly classified secrets, data, and prototype designs. This is like an intrigue mystery plot that involve Jason Macedale as one of the “professional criminal” and Ned Leeds as an “investigative reporter” following the rash of classified thefts. So the audience is kept guessing who may emerge as the HobGoblin in a possible future film… because all three(Jason, Ned, and Rodderick) are acting very suspicious.

As for the threat now and main plot, we discover three days after the opening events, that ESU have been facing budget cuts for the last two quarters and because Oscorps is not making donations to the university pending the hostel takeover; the research budget will be cut a third without any major progress and/or findings… pressuring Miles and Connors research, which has taken a set back because of the events to the lab three days ago.

Up against time Miles, Connors, assistants Peter, Debra Whitman, makes a promising discover amongst the chaos in the lab. As the others call it a night, an anxious Dr. Connors looks further into this promising result. The next morning, terrifying news is reported of a brutal homicide never before seen in NYC. The same morning, Peter gets word that two ESU student found Dr. Connors collapse on the lab floor. So Pete and Debra rush to see Martha at the hospital as she waits for Curt to be release. She informed the two, he never came home. Of course, Peter at first think nothing of it, other than he collapse because of exhaustion & stress. On the other hand, Warren, back at the lab, suspect something; but not sure what he seeing. Peter runs off to meet with MJ.

That afternoon, Debra catches Pete eating lunch with MJ and inform him that Connors has return to the lab acting strange. Being concern, Pete wants to go with Debra and check on Curt; and MJ, being the MJ we know from the comics, in a flirtatious way, encourage him to go. Remember the are just good, close friends at this point, trying to move on; but still have a thing for each other. Once they get there, Warren pulls the two to the side and suggest that he believe Connors may have tested the experimental serums on himself and explain that maybe the cause of his irrational behavior and blackout. Peter suddenly recognize that Curt’s limb(nub) is longer than normal.

Later, on the evening news, a couple is reported missing, completely vanished. Later that night, Peter get a call from Debra as she explain that Martha called Warren in a hysterical fit, that Curt was act irrationally. Peter rush over to the Connors home, but Curt is gone. Warren and the Police is there when Peter arrive. Martha explained, Curt would not unlock the door as she heard banging, loud noises & screams, and shattered glass. When police kick the door in, he was gone, with a hole in the backyard wall where the window use to be. Warren gather some bloody mucus from the bedding & floor and heads back to the lab… Peter changes into Spidey mode looking for Dr. Connors to no avail.

Two construction workers working in the sewers notice a herd of rats, water bugs, and other creepy-crawly things racing away in the same direction. The workers become very concern. They hear something that alerts them. One see a strange and huge shadow approaching and scrambles out the sewer; the other follow behind but is grab by the leg and yanked down… disappears. Stacy is at the scene with NY Finest as the worker explains what happen. Word filter on the dispatch that the other worker has been found… alive. Stacy rush to where the worker was found. He is covered with mucus and saliva; but, virtually unharmed and in shock.

As the police wrap up it the investigation, dispatcher report a group of girls had been reported brutally killed with one remarkably survives. Concern, Stacy put the force on notice to patrol the city. The following morning, reports start circulating around the bugle that the bodies of the missing couple has been found butchered. NYC is now living in fear.

Later that night, some gang members reported seeing something at a high-rise apartment complex. Minutes later, 911 is blowing up with calls at the 911 hotline center. Many police are dispatched to the scene. Spidey not knowing what’s up, follow the flood of sirens to the scene… when he run smack into the Lizard, while the flood of sirens continue on up Broadway to some designated location. Spidey is in a big battle scene with the Lizard and get some un-focus pictures.

Three people witness the battle and are stunned, but not sure what they are seeing given how quickly the event transpired… one being investigative reporter, Ned Leeds, who happen to be at that spot investigating a lead at an old Oscorps warehouse. Spidey takes a bad beating and Lizard is too fast and strong. A good whip of the tail and Lizard gets away. Spidey is left bruised and torn.

The next morning, reports is all over about Spidey battling an alleged Lizard-Man, as Jameson and Co. does their naming bit… Lizard-Man, Man-Lizard, the Reptilian, Geico, Crocodile Dun-Dee; before settling on the Lizard. The Bugle also report on another victim found at the location the police was dispatched to... the high-rise apartment complex. Other than the two alleged witnesses and Ned, no one has seen this beast and the three witnesses are still not sure exactly what they saw. MJ goes to see how Peter is doing after hearing of his battle with this alleged giant Lizard. Peter tells MJ he wonders why the Lizard didn’t shred him to pieces like his other victims. MJ suggest things are not always what they appear to be.

Of course reports catches Sergei attention, and he’s heading to NYC to capture both this alleged giant Lizard & Spiderman. Pete, after getting chastise by Jameson for his useless, out of focus pictures of something & Spidey’s battle, leaves and go visits Aunt May. Meanwhile, Jameson ask Ned what was he doing at Oscorps warehouse? NYC is living in more fear because of the this alleged Lizard and brutal murders.

At Aunt May’s place, while she is talking and preparing something to eat, Peter examines his pictures closely and then replay the encounter with Lizard in his mind; reached the conclusion that was Dr. Connors somehow, and rush out Aunt May’s apartment while she’s continue talking and preparing something to eat.

Pete inform Warren of his suspension. Warren concur with his own suspensions. Suggesting the serum didn’t take full effect when he first collapse; but could now be full blown. Warren also suggest on animal testing, minor transformation and erratic behavior happens when the animals are in a deep meditated sleep when an enzyme for digestion is activated when the body is at rest. Warren believe the mix of the serum on the enzyme cause the genetic fingerprint of the test animals to slightly mutate; but nothing on the level that Connors is experiencing. He suggest attaining and comparing a sample of Connor’s blood, to blood found in the mucus sample and compare the levels… maybe produce a counter-serum. It would be explain later how Warren had a sample of Connors blood already on hand later.

Peter is on the hunt for Lizard, when out of the blue, he become the hunted… by Kraven. An amazing battle ensues! Spidey is at a loss to who this is and why he is after him. Kraven counters everything Spidey dishes… suddenly his spider-sense tingle, and he just dodges a huge Lion that leaped at him out of nowhere. The lion is just as skilled and cunning. Spiderman spots an opportunity and uses his agility & speed to turn the tables on this Lion and his Master. Setting the two up for a collision upon themselves… Spidey get away amazingly; but again, on the pursuit of the Lizard.

While perched on the side of a six story apartment building, scanning the city, narrating how he must stop Connors before he harms another person, why Lizard didn’t kill him, the sewer worker, and Martha, but kill everyone else, and who the person with the Lion was. Spidey overhears a breaking news report of another frightening sighting in uptown just moments ago and police is in route to that location. Just as Spidey begin to head to that location his spider-sense tingle… it’s the Lion leaping towards Spidey, but really at the Lizard who has creped up behind him. Kraven throws a bolas at Spidey, capturing and hanging him upside down by the ankles with his hands tied, Kraven gives Spidey a sinister grin, than continues on after the Lizard.

As Spidey frees his hands he get a phone call from Warren who believes he’s talking to Peter, saying that he believe the serum will run it’s course. The effects only last a number of days. He said he has been to the coroner to examine some of the bodies… none of them have a trace of the enzyme found in the Lizards mucus or DNA; but have traces of a residue similar to the Symbiote he had stored in the broken vial. Peter tells Warren, he believe Connors may not be responsible for those murders and Warren concur.

Peter lets Warren go and proceed to free himself and go after Kraven and Lizard when we hears another breaking report; “One of the two death-row inmates has been captured at an abandoned warehouse; but, serial killer Cletus Kasady is still at large. The two death-row inmates overpowered a transport detail near the ESU campus days ago en-route to a new facility waiting execution.”

Spidey, now free, quickly find Lizard and Kraven embroil in a tough battle. Lizard is becoming weaken as the serum began to wear and Kraven tranquilize him. Lizard however, is still strong enough to avoid Kraven skillful capture. The combination of Kraven and his skillful companion began to wear on the ever weakening Lizard… as Kraven & the Lion move in to finally subdue Lizard. The table turn against Kraven as Spidey unexpectedly to Kraven, intervenes and tackles the Lion, both falling onto the roof top of an adjacent building. As Kraven moves in on the kill, Spidey wrestles with the Lion and quickly subdue him in a cocoon of webbing.

A weaken Lizard begins to collapse as Kraven moves in for the kill. In slow-motion “Matrix” style, Kraven with two hands on a huge dagger dives at the collapsing Lizard, ready to end the transforming Lizard, as Spiderman in a niche of time, tackles Kraven and the two roll off a roof top and land on a parked car, as the two continue to battles. Kraven’s potion begins to wear off itself and Spidey eventually makes quick work of him hanging him upside-down, commenting, “feel the rush?”

Spidey ask who he is and why he’s after them. Kraven implies that he’s ridding the City of New York of it’s fears. Spidey pleads with Kraven to let the Lizard go, without naming Connors, tells Kraven that the Lizard is a human being with a wife & child; the result of a failed experiment gone wrong, and that the serum is wearing off. Than remembering his struggles with the Symbiote Venom, Spidey ask Kraven’s help in stopping the real perpetrator of the city’s fears, Kasady. Whom Peter believe has the missing Symbiote. Kraven agrees to end his pursuit of the man responsible of becoming the Lizard; but will not agree to end his pursuit of him, Spiderman. Kraven secretly relish the opportunity to observe and make a quick study of Spiderman, and agrees to help him stop this man of so much “Carnage”.

After Spidey releases Kraven’s Lion from his cocoon bondage, Kraven give new commands to his trusted companion to hunt Carnage; as Kraven takes another dose of potion that does not go unnoticed by Spidey. He calls Debra and tells her where she can find Dr. Connors, and take him to Prof. Warren... he will know what to do.

Spidey and Kraven goes after Carnage. Big battle ensues! Carnage is having his way with them. Than the tables turn for the worst… Carnage manage to get his hand on the Lion and badly wounds the animal. Kraven in a brazen rage, goes after Carnage very un-tactical. Carnage delivers a brutal beating of Kraven; counters Spidey’s every move, like second nature… until the police shows up with blazing sirens. Spidey is suddenly reminded how to defeat Carnage and instruct Kraven to blow his dog whistle that’s around his neck. The blast momentarily inhibits Carnage long enough for Kraven to do some major damage and tranquilize Kasady as the Symbiote tries to leap on Spidey.

Spidey capture it in a webbed sack. Kraven torches it. Kraven quickly tends to his falling companion and radio in to his handlers for a pick-up. A helicopter picks him and his wounded comrade up. Kraven shouts out to Spiderman, “we shall see you again”.

Because no one had actually proof that the Lizard exist, it was taken as just a big hoax, urban legend, and Kasady, rightly so, was blamed for all of the brutal mutilations. He is a serial killer after all; so the public welcomes the idea it was him and not some mythical beast hiding in the shadows. Everything is back to normal.

A cliffhanger shows Rodderick toasting his successful acquisition of Oscorps. As the glasses are raised, we see a pumpkin bomb hurling towards a warehouse. Explosion!

[©KAW]

Holy 4 Villains Batman!

That's the longest post I've ever seen on the Hype in all of my 10 years. Good job.

[Oscorp]

And yet the vast majority of the board members will just think "OMG wall of text!" and not bother reading it.

[©KAW]

It would be a very complex Spider-Man film, that's for sure. Which I'm desperate for.

[Eddie Brock]

And yet the vast majority of the board members will just think "OMG wall of text!" and not bother reading it.
That's not true. I started reading it, until I realized A. it wasn't a reboot at all, B. it was overloaded with villains, C. he wanted to include Carnage based on that ridiculous theory about Dr. Connors' sample somehow being relevant and not just a plot hole.

That's when I stopped reading.

[A Necessary Evil]

Please, for the love of god, no symbiotes.....ever again. Venom was perfectly fine in 3, more than he deserved tbh.

[NinjaCarm]

Lizard and Kraven would have been a great combo.

[Eddie Brock]

Lizard and Kraven would have been a great combo.
Agreed. It's not entirely out of the realm of possibility still, but it seems more unlikely with each passing day. That would be one case where multiple villains would work.

[Doctor Jones]

Go back to one villain. I really, really hope the Lizard is the only villain in this. Why waste them in one film anyway? If we're going to be getting more Spider-Man films, save them for their own instead of including two or three.

[©KAW]

I do think ONE villain is the key to the new films success, while building up other villains in the background. Which could be just as complex.

[Hurm...]

I actually wrote a long ass concept story for the reboot also, which involves Nels Van Adder, Norman Osborn, and The Lizard. I'll probably post it later.

[gkokujin]

Please, for the love of god, no symbiotes.....ever again. Venom was perfectly fine in 3, more than he deserved tbh.

no.

[chaseter]

Venom was fine...Gopher Brock was not.

[Hurm...]

edit.

[Hurm...]

edit double post.

[A Necessary Evil]

no.

:lmao:

[Oscorp]

Lizard and Kraven would have been a great combo.

Tbh, I think I'm one of the very few who actually think Kraven could handle a movie on his own. Maybe even better without Lizard in the mix. Lizard can as well. I'm not saying that you meant something else, I'm just saying that I actually would prefer them both as single, main villains.

[Mary Jane Watson]

lizard as a main villian and shocker can be like side villian used for only 10 mins, ex bank robbery then all done.

[zeptron]

One villain for the first movie is fine, but for sequels I would like around two. It's not like we're gonna get 100 of these movies. And some villains may never even get a chance to be onscreen if they use just one for every single movie. Plus it gives the hero more of a challenge if he's faced with multiple threats.

[spideyboy_1111]

i feel if two... maybe even 3 villains compliment each other in such a good story telling way... why waste it? it free's up more spots for other villains to get a chance in sequels. it's only when villains that don't mesh well (sandman/venom/green goblin 2) do we get disasters...

villains like (lizard/kraven), (sandman/hydroman), (sandman/electro), (venom/Carnage), (kraven/Calypso/lizard), (kraven/Calypso/Chameleon), (Kingpin/Hobgoblin/Rose), (kingpin, hammerhead, silvermane), etc.... etc... these teamups work

[Ajendo]

Yeah well, you can forget kingpin for the time being.

[©KAW]

Not feeling three villains. Two maybe, depending on both their roles. I feel they should have aimed for one villain to be on the safe side. Some directors can't handle multiple villains.

[Mary Jane Watson]

i feel if two... maybe even 3 villains compliment each other in such a good story telling way... why waste it? it free's up more spots for other villains to get a chance in sequels. it's only when villains that don't mesh well (sandman/venom/green goblin 2) do we get disasters...

villains like (lizard/kraven), (sandman/hydroman), (sandman/electro), (venom/Carnage), (kraven/Calypso/lizard), (kraven/Calypso/Chameleon), (Kingpin/Hobgoblin/Rose), (kingpin, hammerhead, silvermane), etc.... etc... these teamups work


Yup, u got it

[Matt Mortem]

This one needs just one villain. You need plenty of time to establish who this new Spider-Man is and if you have too many villains who need screen-time then you're pulling away from Spidey and his supporting cast. One villain. Period.

[Doc Ock]

This one needs just one villain. You need plenty of time to establish who this new Spider-Man is and if you have too many villains who need screen-time then you're pulling away from Spidey and his supporting cast. One villain. Period.

Indeed!

[NinjaCarm]

It would be a very complex Spider-Man film, that's for sure. Which I'm desperate for.

That may be above some peoples heads in here, who prefer a more easy paint by numbers save the same girl three films approach.

[theShape]

It would be nice to have an early confrontation with a known Spider-man villain just to establish the tone of the new Spidey and as a treat for the fans. Then, move on with the meat of the story.

[Spider-Vader]

Shocker would be the best villain to do that, he's the only iconic Spidey villain I can't see being a big part of a movie.

[Wolverine1988]

Shocker,Electro,Scorpion etc
Are all villains id rather see them use instead of seeing Green Goblin again or any of the villains they used in the raimi franchise, except Venom because i feel he deserves proper justice just like Two Face did and got it in TDK

[Micah12345]

I just came in to say


what a horrible f***ing poll

[GoldGoblin]

i feel if two... maybe even 3 villains compliment each other in such a good story telling way... why waste it? it free's up more spots for other villains to get a chance in sequels. it's only when villains that don't mesh well (sandman/venom/green goblin 2) do we get disasters...

villains like (lizard/kraven), (sandman/hydroman), (sandman/electro), (venom/Carnage), (kraven/Calypso/lizard), (kraven/Calypso/Chameleon), (Kingpin/Hobgoblin/Rose), (kingpin, hammerhead, silvermane), etc.... etc... these teamups work

^
Yep,if cartoons and comics can do it,why not the movies.

[MikeFrost]

Because movies have this absolute need to explain everything. And somethings the explanation is kinda ********ty...

[Ajendo]

Movies don't need to explain everything, its just that some audiences would prefer to be spoon-fed every detail.

[gkokujin]

Because movies have this absolute need to explain everything. And somethings the explanation is kinda ********ty...

This is why i loved Scott Pilgrim.
it didn't explain anything, People fought, had powers, and burst into coins for no reason and no one ASKED WHY.

[GoldGoblin]

This is why i loved Scott Pilgrim.
it didn't explain anything, People fought, had powers, and burst into coins for no reason and no one ASKED WHY.

^
We could have villains pop up with out going into great detail into a back story.You could show a reporter on the news explain how the villain became like that in five seconds by saying that they stole high tech weapons.

[MikeFrost]

How would the reporter know in the first place?!

[GoldGoblin]

Because it woyld be after the fight and the villain is being hauled off to jail,we will just assume the reporter found out how and is telling the public.

[MikeFrost]

I'm kinda against broad assumptions like that because they're, well, assumptions.

If the movie doesn't give you the necessary information to make those, it's normally very random and lame. Remember the butler explaining everything to Harry near the end of Spiderman 3? Yep...

[GoldGoblin]

Its like if spidey fought Shocker who just appeared and when he is defeated and hauled away the reporter during the evening news says another criminal using stolen high tech weapons stolen from Oscorp or got from the Tinkerer.

[MikeFrost]

And now you have reporters talking about a new character out of the blue. How would they know about The Tinkerer? What is a "tinkerer" to a reporter in the first place?

Shocker tho is actually the only villain I see a reporter having some sort of information and exposing his background if they have him actually stealing his gauntlets (which isn't very like in the comics). Thing is, Herman actually built his tech and there's not much else that a reporter could say that the audience didn't saw for themselves.

What a reporter would do is pretty much inform people of what happened which, in a movie where you're following the action, turns out to be pretty redundant.

[gkokujin]

you guys are over thinking it.

"A man who calls himself the Tinkerer, tried to rob 1st National Bank, he was defeated by Spiderman. He earned the moniker from his superhuman ability to tink."


...you get the picture, this is how it is on the new every night.

[scatterax]

"his super human ability to tink"

[SpeterMan3]

Ummmm shouldn't that be tinker?

[Venom'sDad]

I see no need for a reporter, JJJ, TV personality, or even Spidey himself to name these villains. It should come from the villain himself or affectionally from his comrades-in-arms.

Example: Hammerhead tells Tombs...

HH: I'll get Tinkerer on it.

Tombs: Who?

HH: Tinkerer.

Tombs: Who in the hell is Tinkerer?

HH: Oh, just some guy who likes to tinker around with stuff. So we in the biz just call him Tinkerer.... he's quite good at it.

Tombs: OK, whatever, just get this tinker on it.

HH: Tinkerer... we call him the Tinkerer.

Tombs just gaze intensely at HH.

HH: Ok ok ok.... I'm just saying.

;)

[MikeFrost]

That sure doesn't sound forced :whatever:

[Brian Braddock]

^
We could have villains pop up with out going into great detail into a back story.You could show a reporter on the news explain how the villain became like that in five seconds by saying that they stole high tech weapons.

How would the reporter know in the first place?!


Didnt they do that in both Batman Forever and Batman and Robin with Two-Face and Mister Freeze? Playback footage showed both incidetns of the villains origin, captured in perfect detail. It's plausable - I mean, there just 'happened' to be numerous cameras set at different angles filming in both that courtroom and laboratory, eh? :cwink:

[MikeFrost]

Didnt they do that in both Batman Forever and Batman and Robin with Two-Face and Mister Freeze? Playback footage showed both incidetns of the villains origin, captured in perfect detail. It's plausable - I mean, there just 'happened' to be numerous cameras set at different angles filming in both that courtroom and laboratory, eh? :cwink:

Yea and it was ********...

It's hardly plausible. It's forced. VERY forced.

[scatterax]

I can't tell if you seriously think he was being serious or not?

[MikeFrost]

He probably wasn't :P

Still, he did contribute to my point.

[scatterax]

.....cuz i'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic there...

[thebatsam]

I would like an approach in the way that smaller villains can be used as secondary villians that would otherwise not be used in the films as they couldn't carry a movie on their own.......maybe shocker could be used like that