What villain or villains would you like to see them kick start the reboot with?

[The Joker]

What villain or villains do you think they should restart the franchise with? Should they use one of Spidey's big guns, like Green Goblin or Doctor Octopus, villains who can be established and done in one movie?

Or should they do what Batman Begins did, and use villains who were not used in the previous franchise? Say someone like The Lizard, or Electro, or even the Vulture? Or maybe a combo?

[Pythagoras]

I liek to see somebody like Electro in the first. Save Goblin for the second film.

[I Am The Bat]

I want more options before I vote...

[Aesop Rocks]

Personally I liked Green Goblin as his first enemy, but, I think for the first movie, he should just deal with like the mob or something. I wouldn't be mad if they did Green Goblin again though, in the classic GG get up.

[The Joker]

I want more options before I vote...

What else do you want? Either they use one of his top two enemies, or one of the unused villains.

You don't think they're going to use Sandman so soon after SM-3, do you?

[Catman]

It would be a mistake to re-use villains so soon. So, I'd say Lizard.

[Aesop Rocks]

introduce them like the Joker at the end of BB. :awesome:

[I Am The Bat]

What else do you want? Either they use one of his top two enemies, or one of the unused villains.

You don't think they're going to use Sandman so soon after SM-3, do you?

uh... I feel that is a little to general... There is no telling which one these villains these forums are vying for unless there is a more detailed list of villains... That is all I'm saying...

[Mister J]

The former Doc Ock has beaten me to the proverbial thread-creating punch, so I'll simply piggyback with what I had already ...because I amuse myself.
With news of a reboot, our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man will be encountering another member of his most impressive rogues gallery. Who should be the antagonist?



Continue with the prospects of the Vulture?
Kick things off with the Green Goblin again?
T3h Venomzz!!!1!1?
Unleash the killer combination of The Spot and Will o' the Wisp? :eek:


With that out of the way, I've long been partial to Electro, though a lot of determining a lead villain will depend on theme. The Lizard is another A choice.

As great as Norman and Otto are, I'd feel a little too much retread if they were offered up again so soon. Both had pretty damn good outings too. The fact that neither was royally screwed through the adaptation process and not in need of near-wholesale redress (think Two Face in Batman Forever) leaves me cold to the idea. Definitely, down the line though. Maybe even the second flick. I want something new to kick things off though.

Maybe a proper handling of the Sinister Six can manifest down the line.

[Jostru]

I wouldn't use Green Goblin yet. Introduce Norman, but make him GG in the second or third movie. I'd like to see Eddie Brock introduced as well. I'd be happy with someone like Vulture or Electro with Tombstone or something as a secondary villain.

[RaZaTrOn]

Brand new villain but have Norman Osborn introduced.

Hopefully they develop Gwen into an awesome character and have her killed off by gobby at the end of maybe the 3rd film (if it's a success)

[DarthDaveBanner]

Theres absolutely no point in using any of the previous villains at this stage.

[MikeFrost]

I wouldn't mind a minor guy first like Electro or Mysterio. What I really want is for them to set up Eddie Brock early and develop him as an actual 3d character with hopes and dreams. Venom is a villain that has alot of potential for possible sequels when written right.

Also, they need to seriously set up Gwen Stacy first as Peter's girl. So that they can have the Goblin killing her.

[Mr. Vice]

Does Fox still have the rights to Kingpin? I wouldn't mind seeing him in the first.

[Chewy]

Save Ock, Venom, and Gobby for sequels. You can easily revolve at least a film around each, and if they are "restarting" the universe and reintroducing Spidey they don't necessarily need a villain who's as fleshed out. Think Batman Begins. I'm hoping for Electro or Lizard.

[Parker Wayne]

I'd like to see a villain not used, preferably Lizard, but I think the Mafia would also be a smart choice since it would be an area of Spiderman that hasn't been used before.

[Spider-Kurt!]

For the first movie...

The Burgler-Brief flashback sequence

Electro-Great potential visuals,no major orgin neccessary,no personal ties to Peter Parker,never used onscreen before.

or
Mysterio-For most of the same reasons as Electro however,Mysterio could be used to cause confusion and give the general public a mistrust for Spider-Man that spawns over the course of several movies.

I'd like to see Dr.Connors,Norman Osborn and Otto Octavious( in a cameo working for Osborn) making their pre-villianous appearences.Maybe Eddie Brock too but more likely in the first sequel.

While not a villian,I'd like to see Gwen Stacy as Peter's fellow nerdy friend simular to her role on the Spectacular Spider-Man series and an appearance by Mary Jane Watson towards the end.

[Spider-Kurt!]

For the second or even third movie I'd love to see the Kraven vs Lizard vs Spider-Man plot that so many others have mentioned. I'm not sure when would be the right time to re-introduce the Green Goblin,Dr.Octopus or Venom.

[Raiden]

There's NO WAY that GG will be used in the first reboot movie; it'd be like a rehash of Raimi's first Spider-man movie. Even Nolan didn't use Joker right off the bat with BB. For the reboot, it'll be better to establish Gwen Stacy early (something that Raimi should've done), and introduce GG in the 2nd or 3rd movie instead. I think the new director should use a new villain not seen on the big screen previously, much like Nolan using Ra's Al Grul in BB. Maybe The Reptile, Shocker, or Electro will be fine, depending on the script.

[zeptron]

Someone who hasn't been used.

[jacobed]

Do the villains like in the Spectacular Spider-man. Have a mob boss hiring Norman to keep making these super thugs to distract Spider-Man from the boss's crimes, if done right you could do alot of the secondary villains along with teh big name ones and maybe even set up the sinister six for the third one.

[StarkTheProdigy]

i honestly want someone new. i'm mutal on the how rebooting idea, i just don't want to sit through another spiderman origin movie, and see the same villians, i wouldn't mind if they rebooted it in like 10 years and used the same villians, i just think its to soon and we need new material

[MessiahDecoy123]

Save Ock, Venom, and Gobby for sequels. You can easily revolve at least a film around each, and if they are "restarting" the universe and reintroducing Spidey they don't necessarily need a villain who's as fleshed out. Think Batman Begins. I'm hoping for Electro or Lizard.
co-signed

[GoldGoblin]

Have them develop Norman Osborn in the first movie and have him be the Green Goblin in the second movie.

[GoldGoblin]

Do the villains like in the Spectacular Spider-man. Have a mob boss hiring Norman to keep making these super thugs to distract Spider-Man from the boss's crimes, if done right you could do alot of the secondary villains along with teh big name ones and maybe even set up the sinister six for the third one.

^
That is a good idea.

[Spider-Kurt!]

Another thought is to retell Spider-Man's orgin and supporting cast thru out the movie in a story loosely based on the Kid Who Collected Spider-Man combined with whatever villian is used.


Spoilers for those who haven't read it...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kid_Who_Collects_Spider-Man

[GoldGoblin]

SM1

-Have Peter stay in high school through out the movie.

-Have Tombstone as a crime boss who has Norman Osborn create super villains to distract spidey while Tombstone can do his organize crime.

-Norman agrees,cause once spidey defeats these villains,then Oscorp is hired to create these special prisions to hold them in.

-Norman creates Rhino and then creates Sandman when the Rhino is defeated.

-Have Otto Octavius as the scientist Norman Osborn uses to do the experiments on to create these super villains.Show Otto Octavius straps his tentacle arms on to perform the experiments cause the arms keeps him in a safe distance.
When Otto Octavius is creating the Sandman,the machine explodes and Otto Octavius arms are fused to his spine and he is knocked out.

-In Dr.Connor's class,have Peter become lab partners with the girl of his dreams,Gwen Stacy.Show Peter meet her father Captain Stacy when Peter goes over to her house to do their project.

[thorstone]

I want the Lizard as much as anybody else but they would likely have to rewrite the character as a highschool teacher in order for it to work.

Octavius is Spiderman's Joker-- he should be in every film.

[Congo Jack]

I'd have Norman Osborn appear, but not the Green Goblin. Save that for a sequel.

[Silent Bob]

They totally need to use The Gibbon!!!!!

[TehUberMuffinXD]

It doesn't matter to me as long as:

- Lizard isn't in it until the second or third film
- They don't kill off the villains in every film -.-'
- It isn't Vulture or fishbowl head.

[Asr]

It doesn't matter to me as long as:
- It isn't Vulture or fishbowl head.

WUT, you have to be kidding. Mysterio MUST be in SM4!!!!! :oldrazz:

[TheSlag]

Wow. Great question there Ock. :up:

Wow.. at a loss for words believe it or not. There is pro's and con's to either approach (using one of the top guns or a new villain).

I am leaning towad an A1 type villain, but NOT the A List yet. Intro some of the characters for use later though (like obviously the Osborns).. Sweet.. cannot wait for those recastings.

But leaning toards the A1 list like Electro.

Wow. I have not been excited about a Spider-Man movie in a long time til now. :up:

[Jick09]

While I wasn't happy with the choice of Vulture for SM4, I think he could be a good opening villain for the new franchise, ironically.

I was going to say Scorpion, but it would be good to build up JJ's hatred of Spidey before doing that. He's better for the second movie.

I could also see Lizard or Shocker as the first villain.

[TheSlag]

This thread begs to ask who is the A-List Villains, B-List, and C-List.

My thoughts:

A-List (most obvious reasons)

GG1
Doc Ock
Lizard (I think with the Connors storyline, strong alter ego story)
Venom (again, with the strong semi-alter ego.. ie. symbiote and Black Spidey.. and WHOEVER do it dark, NOT Emo)


B-List (or A1 if you will)
Electro
GG2 (brother vs. brother.. Excellent potential if done dark)
Scorpion
Kingpin
Hobgoblin
Mysterio (though not a fan of a villain with CGI powers in a CGI based movie)
Kraven (as only in Kraven's Last Hunt and/or used with A-List villain)

C-List:
Vulture
Shocker
Rhino
Chameleon

Rest of the bunch.. IMO

[cerealkiller182]

Lizard would be best to start with. The idea of animals in a science lab seems like a really good way to streamline the origin into the ongoing plot if that is what they are really going for. Kraven is always a fun choice to put with the Lizard, as in Kraven hunting the Lizard when Spiderman is trying to save Doc Connors within.

[Jick09]

Do you think they're going to show Spidey's origin again?
Is it necessary?

I'm always supportive of origins stories. I love them, but this time I think they could just start with him kicking ass, already.

Show a thing or two of the spider biting him through a fast flashback as the story goes on, like the animated series.

[Ceb-Man]

Norman Osborn could appear in part one but show up as The Green Goblin later,and i want a more scarier type of Goblin and that includes the costume as well.
Right now I would use new villians like Electro or Mysterio. Those would make a great FX in a reboot. I would love to see the LIzard, but I think Conners needs to be introduced firs and then set up for him in the sequels.
I wouldn't mind a crime boss like Tombstone, like in the Spectacular Spider-Man show or Silvermane. Maybe have the Enforcers work work for either crime boss.
No origin. It has been done. Maybe use flashbacks of the lab accident/ spider bite and Uncle Ben's death.

[Superhero 101]

Scorpion!!! Or Rhino!!!

[Spider-Vader]

First movie- Electro & Vulture
Second movie- Green Goblin
Third Movie- Doc Ock & Mysterio
Fourth Movie- New Goblin & Sandman (Plus, the Symbiote suit)
Fifth Movie- Lizard & Kraven
Sixth Movie- Venom

I hope Gobby gets a costume similar to his Thunderbolts costume. It's creepy, looks realistic & looks similar to his classic costume.

The idea of leading up to Goblin like the Joker in the Nolan Batman movies is awesome. The 'Batman Begins' ending is one of the best endings IMO.

[cerealkiller182]

Do you think they're going to show Spidey's origin again?

possibly

Is it necessary?

Never

I'm always supportive of origins stories. I love them, but this time I think they could just start with him kicking ass, already.

Same could be said for most heroes

[Jick09]

Same could be said for most heroes
Not necessarily.

Most heroes need origins stories to explain them. Like Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four, Hulk, Green Lantern, Batman...
Imagine whatching them as absolutes. As heroes who came out of somewhere with their powers. The audience wants to understand the character, why he does what he does and how he became what he is.

I remember watching the old Batman movies as a kid and I always wondered how he became Batman. My friends asked me but I never knew how to tell them.

Superman and Spider-Man are heroes who have high exposure on their origin stories, so it is not really necessary for them.

[Figs]

Some new villians that haven't been in a film yet. I loved Dafoe as GG and Molina as Doc Ock so I'm not ready for someone else to jump in those shoes just yet.

[cerealkiller182]

Not necessarily.

Most heroes need origins stories to explain them. Like Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Fantastic Four, Hulk, Green Lantern, Batman...
Imagine whatching them as absolutes. As heroes who came out of somewhere with their powers. The audience wants to understand the character, why he does what he does and how he became what he is.

The audience DOES want to understand the character, but you can do that by throwing them into an ongoing plot and see how they react. That is better than lecturing how and why. It is how film works.

-Green Lantern is supposedly not being a labored origin story.
-Batman 89 wasnt an origin and was very good. You missed the travels through Europe and Asia, but I never once misunderstood the whys and hows of Batman from that film.
-Daredevil had way to much origin and forced them to cut the interesting stuff. DD could have been successful otherwise.
-Fantastic Four is cut and dry. They could spend 5 minutes on it, and do some of the nitty gritty.
-Norton's Hulk is the "Hulk without origin" movie. It would have worked as a film project without Ang Lees.

[Venom'sDad]

I think for an opening film, Chameleon & Rhino... with a back story featuring Norman and Sablinovia.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I say:
#1-Lizard
#2-Kraven
#3-Goblin

Have Norman slowly built over the first two films, then full out Goblin mode in the third. And if a Ms. Stacy died in the third, well then that would be peachy. I'd like them to stay away from "Boil Head" and the "Gay turnip throwing Prankster", as one Goblin is enough for me.

[BareYourTeeth]

Do you think they're going to show Spidey's origin again?
Is it necessary?

I'm always supportive of origins stories. I love them, but this time I think they could just start with him kicking ass, already.

Show a thing or two of the spider biting him through a fast flashback as the story goes on, like the animated series.

Agreed. The Incredible Hulk movie would be an even better example.

And as for the villain I say start with Electro and I also think they should introduce Norman Osborn.

[Gamma Burst]

I'd say Lizard,Scorpion or Rhino would be good choices for the 1st movie.

[TheScarecrow]

Lizard is a bad choice. Since this is a new series, Connors has not been developed yet, so the story has no emotional impact IMO. We need a non-sympathetic villain to start this series off, so it feels different. We know we're getting 3 movies (Vanderbilt signed on for Spider-man 4, 5 and 6) so across a three movie series I'd like:

Spider-man 1: Vulture OR Electro.
Spider-man 2: Green Goblin.
Spider-man 3: Kraven and Lizard.

[The Joker]

Spider-man 1: Vulture OR Electro.
Spider-man 2: Green Goblin.
Spider-man 3: Kraven and Lizard.

I don't see Vulture or Electro carrying a movie solo.

And a trilogy without Doc Ock is criminal. He's a must have, like the Joker or Two Face.

[TheScarecrow]

I don't see Vulture or Electro carrying a movie solo.

And a trilogy without Doc Ock is criminal. He's a must have, like the Joker or Two Face.

So the Green Goblin and Doc Ock are must haves? But that means two out of three movies having the villains of the previous ones and part of the problem with the past series (man, it feels weird to say that) was that all but a few of the main villains were used. Vulture AND Electro can EASILY hold up a movie on their own, these things are only limited by the imagination behind them.

[Punisher Rising]

The Lizard, hands down.

[Jick09]

The audience DOES want to understand the character, but you can do that by throwing them into an ongoing plot and see how they react.That's why I said ''not necessarily''.
You can, but I won't agree that it is the best way to go. You don't just throw things at the audience and expect them to react positively. You work things out and give it to them well explained so they have a better understanding and can relate to the character more.
That is better than lecturing how and why. It is how film works.It is not. The superhero movies don't just put you in the middle of the action anymore. They give us something to understand and follow.

-Green Lantern is supposedly not being a labored origin story.As said by Reynolds, no. They won't spend too much time on that, from what it seems. But it will have an origin story nonetheless explaining it. How can you have a movie about Green Lantern without having that?
-Batman 89 wasnt an origin and was very good.I don't deny that, but also it is a movie about the villain, not the hero. It explains the villain's origin, his deeds and death. A cicle of life. Batman was almost secondary in that movie, if not at all. They focused more on the villain than in the title character. Bruce Wayne was just a boring character that got noone interested. He was forgettable.
You missed the travels through Europe and Asia, but I never once misunderstood the whys and hows of Batman from that film.And somehow you knew how he became Batman just by watching a story that wasn't about him? Maybe someone with knowledge from the comics, not the general audience.
The general audience certainly didn't. Batman Begins explained that and I only got to understand the whole Batman mytho with BB. We couldn't do that with Batman 89.

-Daredevil had way to much origin and forced them to cut the interesting stuff. DD could have been successful otherwise.That depends on how long is ''too much'' for you. Its origin showed his father, his accident, his devotion to studies to become a lawyer someday, he learning to control his skills and showing to the audience why he does what he does, instead of just throwing him into the movie, an unknown character for the public, and put him fighting crime, which is what I judge interesting in your terms. It didn't take too much time of the movie and had lots of time to introduce Elektra, Bullseye and Kingpin without rushing it.
What made it less interesting was the cuts that Fox made. The director's cut proved to be a far superior movie. It actually looked like a completely new movie, and it is not a lack of origin story that made it better, it's the character development and the story going on about and around him.

-Fantastic Four is cut and dry. They could spend 5 minutes on it, and do some of the nitty gritty.You're selling it short. It can be a great sci-fi movie if done properly. They probably are the superheroes who most need a origin story of the bunch.
A rock guy, an elastic one, an invisible girl and a literal human torch. You don't just throw that to the audience and expect it to be a story with nexus.
-Norton's Hulk is the "Hulk without origin" movie. It would have worked as a film project without Ang Lees.Norton's Hulk came out 5 years after Ang Lee's. And the latter had an origin story. Why do it again when you have an origin story explained not so long ago?
Now comes the ''not necessarily'' I talked about. It isn't necessary in this case because people are aware of its origin story, since it had one in the previous movie and the old movies But even so, they made a fast flashback with his origin just to remind people.
Same thing with Punisher. He's a recent case. Same could be done with Spider-Man and even Superman. Could...doesn't mean they will.

The audience demands a good story nowadays and characters they can understand and relate to. It is not as simple as throw the character there and let go.

[The Joker]

So the Green Goblin and Doc Ock are must haves?

Absolutely. Spidey has not got many A-list villains, but these two are top of the list.

But that means two out of three movies having the villains of the previous ones and part of the problem with the past series (man, it feels weird to say that) was that all but a few of the main villains were used.

As long as they're handled properly, and are given a great story, nobody will care. Especially with Doc Ock, who aside from being a great villain, was a visual delight in SM-2.

Goblin's costume needs some big improvements.

Vulture AND Electro can EASILY hold up a movie on their own, these things are only limited by the imagination behind them.

I don't really see how. Electro is essentially a thug with powers, who's aspirations don't go beyond theft. It's why he's easy fodder for manipulators like Doc Ock in the Sinister Six.

Vulture is a smart cookie, and can be really ruthless, but again, an old man on bird wings is not exactly a thrilling prospect. Nobody wanted him as the solo villain in SM-4, even when Malkovich was cast, so it'd be very risky to use him to kick start the franchise, IMO.

[Spider-Fan]

I know people will say it is treading the same ground, but if I were rebooting Spider-Man, I'd do one of 2 things. Either I'd use someone like Electro (an unused bad guy), or Doc Ock. I think this new series should build to GG in film 2 or 3, and adapt the Gwen Stacy story from the comics over the 3 films. I personally would probably do Doc Ock. Yes, he was used, but he can easily be reimagined into more the way he is in the comic. Plus, HE WAS AWESOME LAST TIME!

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I think the only villain who's a must as far as Spider-Man goes is the Green Goblin; everyone else is expendable. Spidey's got such a wide selection of interesting villains, that it shouldn't be limited to just Goblin, Ock, and TEh Venomzz!!@1

[Stripesy Strip]

I would have no super-villains for the first movie of the reboot. Oh there could be threats. For instance, Spidey could go after criminals. And have the press be on his back etc..., but no spandex fest. Yet.

The way I would do it, is plan for 6 or 7 movies and have the people in Peter Parker's life becoming villains along the way. For example in the first movie, Doctor Octavious would be Peter's crazy science teacher. Nothing more. And you would also meet industrialist Norman Osborn, Harry's dad. You meet these people and you know who they're going to be so there's this anticipation of what will come next, right. Let's create a genuine Universe with interesting characters first so everybody can be three-dimensional.

[Jick09]

It would probably feel like Superman Returns, again.
The lack of a supervillain does make a difference.

[ThatDamnNinja]

Spider-Man 1 and 2 JUST happened. There's no good reason to start with Goblin and Ock. Honestly, if we're going to take lemons and make lemonade here, we (and the studio) should look at it this way: the ideal dramatic arc for a series is that you build UP with your villains. You start with weaker villains and they get progressively stronger.

Unfortunately, the demands of a superhero franchise usually mean that you need to start with your big guns. Well, here, they don't have to. Start smaller (Electro, Scorpion, Vulture, Mysterio, etc.) and build UP and CONCLUDE with your big guns (Doc Ock and Green Goblin). By the time we get there, we'll have a good distance from the originals so it doesn't feel like a rehash.

[TheScarecrow]

I would have no super-villains for the first movie of the reboot. Oh there could be threats. For instance, Spidey could go after criminals. And have the press be on his back etc..., but no spandex fest. Yet.

The way I would do it, is plan for 6 or 7 movies and have the people in Peter Parker's life becoming villains along the way. For example in the first movie, Doctor Octavious would be Peter's crazy science teacher. Nothing more. And you would also meet industrialist Norman Osborn, Harry's dad. You meet these people and you know who they're going to be so there's this anticipation of what will come next, right. Let's create a genuine Universe with interesting characters first so everybody can be three-dimensional.

That's not three dimensional, though - that's following suit with Raimi's rather stale approach of having all the villains have a link to Peter Parker. It's unnecessary and silly and not what we need for a "fresh start". It simplifies the characters and the plots to the point that it becomes the same story over and over again (Raimi already stretched the limits of it, and even doubled up in places). The only character who needs to have a link to Peter is the Green Goblin.

[TheScarecrow]

I would have no super-villains for the first movie of the reboot. Oh there could be threats. For instance, Spidey could go after criminals. And have the press be on his back etc..., but no spandex fest. Yet.

The way I would do it, is plan for 6 or 7 movies and have the people in Peter Parker's life becoming villains along the way. For example in the first movie, Doctor Octavious would be Peter's crazy science teacher. Nothing more. And you would also meet industrialist Norman Osborn, Harry's dad. You meet these people and you know who they're going to be so there's this anticipation of what will come next, right. Let's create a genuine Universe with interesting characters first so everybody can be three-dimensional.

That's not three dimensional, though - that's following suit with Raimi's rather stale approach of having all the villains have a link to Peter Parker. It's unnecessary and silly and not what we need for a "fresh start". It simplifies the characters and the plots to the point that it becomes the same story over and over again (Raimi already stretched the limits of it, and even doubled up in places). The only character who needs to have a link to Peter is the Green Goblin.

[Stripesy Strip]

That's not three dimensional, though - that's following suit with Raimi's rather stale approach of having all the villains have a link to Peter Parker. It's unnecessary and silly and not what we need for a "fresh start". It simplifies the characters and the plots to the point that it becomes the same story over and over again (Raimi already stretched the limits of it, and even doubled up in places). The only character who needs to have a link to Peter is the Green Goblin.

I don't think anything Raimi ever did was fully realised, though. Sure Peter knew Norman but that is it. He had something like Norman becoming a super-villain getting powers just like that while there's another person becoming a super-hero just like that in the same city with no links

I'm talking about creating a fully realised World where it makes sense that this happened the way it did and where everything should be connected as it makes it better. Have you read Ultimate Spider-Man? Writer Bendis takes the time to link everything together nicely and it's brilliant. It's more consistent as a whole. They should even make it like it's one large story, like the Harry Potter movies. Everything is linked in HP but it's great. Everybody has their part to play, everybody has their uses in that Universe. It's not just fighting super-villains, it has has a point, a purpose.

[Deaths Head II]

It should be an unused villain. They could give cameos/small roles to guys like Norman, Octavius, and Brock but I think it's too early too do them again considering how many potentially good villains Spidey has.

[Timstuff]

Big Wheel! Hey, at least he's someone we haven't already seen.

[[A]]

Or should they do what Batman Begins did, and use villains who were not used in the previous franchise? Say someone like The Lizard, or Electro, or even the Vulture? Or maybe a combo?:up:

Save the big ones for the sequels..

[I'm Venom]

I’d love to see Eddie Brock introduced early and written right.

[itsleroy]

I WANT SHOCKER! And Rhino!

[Hobgoblin]

I guess I would like an unused villain but with Norman or Otto in the background, pulling strings and such. From the start, they need to be the most dangerous villains, even when they arent the main bad guy.

[S_H_F_4839]

im pulling for electro, working as enforcer for silvermane. as long as they are careful and dont make it too much like daredevil. I could easily see them adapting the ultimate comics into the movies, as long as they cut out the goblin attacking the school in the first arc and just jump to peter making the connection between the mugger and silvermanes organization.

[TheSlag]

The Lizard, hands down.

I love the Lizard's story arc, but I think they should take the time to develop the Connors Clan and the connection to Peter first.

[Spidey_62]

I don't think it would be smart to use the Green Goblin and Ock again right away in favor of villains we haven't seen grace the screen. I'd introduce both of their characters and save their alter-egos for sequels or have the villains operate behind the scenes. Basically, save the big guns for the sequels similar to Moriarty's role in the new Sherlock Holmes movie.

[Mistah K88]

They should start small with the villains then work up to big guns like Gobby and Ock. The only villains that should have any connection to Peter at all are Norman Osborn and Eddie Brock. Let's see Spidey's organized crime side of things like The Big Man, Hammerhead, Tombstone, the Enforcers, etc. I always liked the idea introduced to me in Spectacular Spidey about a mob boss paying Osborne to create supervillains simply to distract Spider-Man. When Green Goblin finally comes in we could see him trying to take over NYC's criminal underworld. If they MUST use a real supervillain first, I'd say the Vulture...and I did like that the Goblin Glider was basically Vulture's suit in SSM (They even make the same sound)...

[TheWrathOfGod]

How about THE LIVING BRAIN!!! Or THE TINKERER!!!

[the004slayer]

This is one of the few aspects in which I do think going the Batman Begins way is the best. Rehashing villains from the previous movies would not be wise for the first film. For the main villain start with someone new, someone who has no ties to Peter (please!) and hence wouldn't need more than one movie to be fully developed (like I think villains such as GG and Lizard need). I really like the idea of Electro actually.

Meanwhile, introduce the Osborns, Gwen, MJ, maybe even Connors. By the end of the first film, the main villain is arrested or killed or whatever (like Rha's and Scarecrow in BB), and you end in an uplift tone while also setting GG for the sequel (like the Joker). Then in the sequel they can do the whole GG/Gwen death arc (like the Joker/Rachel death in Dark Knight, but this time much better in the female death part), which should have much more impact by this point than if they do it all in the first film, because Norman and the relationship with Gwen have been developed for two whole films. For the first two film I think that's the best way to go.

Later they can also re-use Otto, but maybe not right away in the third. Do Lizard first, he deserves it.

[gvamp]

I'd love for the villian to be the Lizard but the only way I could see that happening is if they have Peter already being spiderman and do flashbacks of the origin sort of like in the Spectacular Spider Man cartoon or the 90s toon.

My guess though is we'll get a rehash of SM vs Green Goblin.

[Boom]

For some reason, I'm inclined to say Scorpion.

[Artistsean]

I have an idea for a movie using The Lizard, and one for Mysterio, but both require Peter to already be Spider-Man.

Lizard idea:
Peter’s Aunt May falls ill, and is rushed to the hospital. She needs a blood transfusion; Peter is the only match close enough. He is worried about his spider-powered blood affecting her. But the transfusion is successful. Aunt May seems healthy again. Also we meet Dr. Curt Connors; he is an expert in genetics. He is experimenting with Lizard DNA in mammals, hoping to re-grow limbs. As the story goes along, we already know Peter is Spider-Man, things seem normal. But then suddenly take a turn for the worse. Aunt May falls ill again, this time much worse and the doctors say it’s something in her blood. It is explained in a way that is understood to be because of Peter’s Spider-blood. At the same time Dr. Curt Connors has used the Lizard DNA research on himself. When Peter goes looking for him he finds out Connors has become the Lizard. He must save Connors sot that Connors can save his Aunt. The story ultimately moves into an underground facility which the Lizard has taken over. Peter fights the Lizard and is ultimately successful in turning him back to human, thanks to help from Curt (who hasn’t lost his whole mind yet), notes from Curt, and Curt’s wife. Maybe the building is starting to fall apart, but they don’t really realize it yet. Connors and Spider-Man work in the facility, converted perhaps into Connors lab while he was becoming the Lizard, to make a cure for Aunt May. Finally they are finished, but the building isn’t holding anymore. Spider-Man rushes them out, but is caught under the heavy falling parts of the building and machinery. The cure for Aunt May lies just out of reach, and Connors and his wife and rushing to get to the surfice. Peter must summon every ounce of strength, even though he is in bad shape from the fight with the Lizard, to lift the machinery and get the formula to Aunt May. He gets to the formula just in time but the building collapses and water rushes in. Peter eventually makes it to the hospital and gets the formula to Aunt May’s doctors.


Using the ideas from the Master Planner storyline and the Lizard storyline as one.




Mysterio I posted before, lost to this idea but here is some of it:
My ideas for a Mysterio movie, and how it fits in to the overall Spider-Man stories:
In a movie you need the story, villain, obstacles, and such, to evolve the star.
How would this Mysterio movie do that?
It would help Spider-Man redeem himself after Spider-Man 3.

(I mention is more later in this post, but Mysterio's plan is to frame Spider-Man for robbery, then using illusions make Spider-Man think he is going crazy, then posing as a psychiatrist give several interviews in the Daily bugle about how Spider-Man is mentally unstable and could crack at any minute and use the black costume problems and the robberies as an example.)

Mysterio has been watching and waiting, knowing he can't defeat Spider-Man one on one (Mysterio's own words from the comic). He waits for the right moment to strike, when Spider-Man is most vulnerable, after the Black Costume mess.
A time when he is drained physically and emotionally.

So the movie becomes Peter Parker not only getting the public to trust him again, as well as Mary Jane, but himself too.
So in the end Spider-Man saves the city, his loved ones, his reputation, and proves himself to the public and himself, showing he is back to the heroic Spider-Man we all know and love from the previous movies.

In the comics Quintin Beck creates his Mysterio costume, and weapons, based on Spider-Man's costume.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cast%20anything/mysteryo.jpg
So, in the movie it can be the same, and help explain his wacky costume.
Also, since he is sort of posing as a hero, he might want it to look the most outragious in order to catch the publics attention.
It can look like this:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cast%20anything/Spider-Man2_postermysteriotest3.jpg

Just make the gray webbing black and not webbing, but straight.

Spider-Man 4
villain: Mysterio

Spider-Man is seen robbing museums and banks all over New York. The Daily Bugle reports about it, along with other papers. Its not just rumors anymore. At the same time a Psychiatrist comes to the Daily Bugle with information, in his professional opinion Spider-Man is suffering from severe mental illness and could crack at any time and judging by the robberies it may have started already.
Peter reads about it, and hears about it at the paper, the doctor's report gets Peter worried that maybe his spider-powers are starting to effect his brain, could he be blacking out and robbing banks?
Even though Mary Jane, who Peter is now living with, tries to comfort him Peter is still worried.
Suddenly a new hero shows up in New York and goes straight to the Daily Bugle, as well as other papers. His name is Mysterio and he is here to save New York from Spider-Man.
During is swinging around the city to clear his head Peter starts seeing things. Old enemies like Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Sandman, and Venom, come out of no where and attack. Spider-Man fights back but suddenly nothing is there. Could the doctor actually be right?
While Peter tries to come to grips with his problem, even meeting with the Doctor, Mary Jane is unsure of this psychiatrist and decides to investigate.
Spider-Man also has several run ins with Mysterio, he seems stronger, faster, and has mystical powers.
Perhaps Mary Jane meets this doctor and finds out he is connected to Mysterio. Only she gets kidnapped or is running from the psychiatrist because he actually is Mysterio.
Spider-Man also finds out that Mysterio was behind the robberies, pretending to be Spider-Man, and he actually is the psychiatrist, and behind all the illusions that made Spider-Man think he was loosing his mind.
In the end Peter/Spider-Man wins because, while Mysterio may be stronger, faster, and more powerful, its all manufactured, whereas Peter's powers are all natural. Maybe Mysterio even dies at the end, but we also see that his death was another illusion.

Sometime during the film Aunt May also finds out that Peter is Spider-Man, and during the coarse of the movie we see her reaction.
First shock, sadness, anger, all sorts of emotions, eventually acceptance (we see her write letters to papers like the Bugle, dropping her subscription because of all the bad mouthing they do about Spider-man, while she writes a letter of praise about another paper's , Front Line's, praising Spider-Man.) We also see her do subtle things to help Peter with his alter ego without Peter knowing.
Will she tell Peter she knows? Maybe she is having trouble figuring out what to do.
This would give Aunt May something to do in the films, just like giving Mary Jane more to do than just be the love interest and damsel in distress.

Mysterio should come off as a super genius and planner.
Thanks, I just used two of the original Mysterio storylines.
One where he tries to frame Spider-Man for robbery and set himself up as New York's Hero, and another where he tries to convince Spider-Man that he is going crazy.
For Aunt May I used the storyline where she found out about Peter being Spider-Man. I loved how she reacted.
It was so short because they were just ideas, I wasn't trying to write a whole movie outline.

The whole Spider-Man going crazy idea could even tie into his past with the black suit, people are willing to believe because of his behavior with the alien costume. Plus Peter thinks his mental state could be unraveling because of the effects of the costume, perhaps. Mary Jane, however should never really doubt him.
the Psychiatrist, Mysterio in disguise, could have a few sessions with Spider-Man in which he tries to make Spider-Man think he is going crazy.

The scenes with the past villains, Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, Green Goblin II, Venom, could all be done quickly and cheaply, since they are illusions that only last for a few minutes each.

If they use Mysterio these are just some ideas on how to make him a serious threat to Spider-Man.

Something else they could add in that was done in the old comics all the time,
Jameson backs Mysterio, and the Psychiatrist, so much that when it is revealed by Peter's photos that Mysterio was framing Spider-Man the whole time and is in fact the real bad guy,
Jameson, choking on his own rage, must run a retraction.
He usually says something like "run it on the bottom of page 12."

K. So plot synopsis:
Mysterio (AKA the psychiatrist) comes to town to frame Spider-Man, make him and everyone else think he has lots his mind and is dangerous, and make Mysterio look like a hero.
Aunt May finds out about Peter's secret, Jameson backs Mysterio, Mary Jane tries to help Peter by doing some detective work.

Thanks so much, again just applying stuff from the comics. And trying to give the actors more to do in the movie than just be the Aunt who is sad about Uncle Ben or the girlfriend/wife who becomes the damsel in distress. I think Both Actors would enjoy having more to do, plus Tobey would get to try something different, make himself think he is having a break down.
Another fun plus would be having one of the costumed spidey villains showing up at the Daily bugle, like they used to all the time.
In the old comics Kraven, Mysterio, Vulture, would show up in the building. Kraven and Mysterio just walked in like normal.
Wouldn't that be cool?
Mysterio walks in, saying he is giving the Bugle an exclusive. He will defeat Spider-Man and save New York. Jameson posts a giant front page story about Mysterio praising him up and down, calling him the hero the city needs and such. Then when he is shown to be the bad guy Jameson is forced to retract his statements.
Oh! They should also show Jameson writing an editorial about why Spider-Man is a menace.


In a movie you need the story, villain, obstacles, and such, to evolve the star.
How would this Mysterio movie do that?
It would help Spider-Man redeem himself after Spider-Man 2.

Mysterio has been watching and waiting, knowing he can't defeat Spider-Man one on one (Mysterio's own words from the comic). He waits for the right moment to strike, when Spider-Man is most vulnerable, after the Black Costume mess.
A time when he is drained physically and emotionally.

So the movie becomes Peter Parker not only getting the public to trust him again, as well as Mary Jane, but himself too.
So in the end Spider-Man saves the city, his loved ones, his reputation, and proves himself to the public and himself, showing he is back to the heroic Spider-Man we all know and love from the previous movies.


Of coarse, with the reboot there wouldn't be a black costume or Venom, and no real need to redeem himself, but still Mysterio would be cool and fun.

[Castro]

I think if more villains are to be introduced, i think they should start off with a bang with Lizard..setting the tone that it is possible to turn into a giant man eating lizard.

Does that make sense? Like, i just couldn't picture someone turning into a giant lizard in the Raimi versions even with Sandman and Venom happening, i just couldn't picture that existing in that world.

[Timstuff]

So basically, what everyone wants is Spectacular Spider-Man split up into a movie trilogy. It could work, but I don't need it.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

start the new series with a new, unused villain

someone like Mysterio, Lizard, Vulture, etc

it would be cool to have Lizard and Kraven :word:

as others have said, introduce Eddie Brock and Norman Osborn but not have them be villains yet

[[A]]

make Rhino bring down half the city! :applaud

[DarthDaveBanner]

I think its safe to say we probably won't be seeing the Vulture.

[Goodspeed]

My treatment is this.

The Amazing Spiderman

Peter Parker/Gwen Stacy/ MJ are in a love triangle. They are played by real life 18 yr olds. So its not 20 somethings palying teens. I would have GS and MJ as strong romantic rivals. So PP could actually end up with GS.

No Harry yet.

The villains are Rhino and Electro.

Electro and Rhino are enforcers for the Kingpin. Where as Rhino is a vicious killer. Electro is the softer of the two he has no powers at the mement. Electro wants out/wants help to get his twin brother out of jail. The Kingpin tells him to steal a key component to help stabalize his super enforcer machine, that gives his enforcers superpower.

The Kingpin knows that Captain Stacy is on his trail and sets up Electro for the fall. Spiderman interviens and Electro's twin brother is killed in the process.

Rhino escapes. Spiderman is blamed again for public destruction. Electro breaks into the Kingpins Super powers machine. Something goes haywire and he becomes Electro, he starts going crazy and tries to go after the Kingpin/Rhino and Spiderman.

The Kingpin is in the shadows.

Electro is like a southerner and has a Freddie Kruger like mobility. His powers grow and are unstable. He can throw lighting bolts and drain energy. He can glide threw the air with his lighting surfboard.

Rhino is a more vicious version of the Jugernaught from X-Men 3.

Spidey is Spidey except more gracfull and dynamic. They should use Avatar tech for Spidey fights.

Spidey gets his ass kicked, but he can do more cool stuff with his webs. like parachutes or spider goo. Spidey quips more and is more badass, kind of like Bruce Willis in Die Hard. The actions sceans are vicious and furious.

Spidey wins in the end ,by using his brains and barley escaping death.

The music would be rock and roll. No classical music score.

[GoldGoblin]

SM2:

-After Tombstone's attempt to distract spidey with supervillains has failed,Tombstone tries a different approach and hires the Chameleon to frame spidey for crimes.The cops will keep spidey busy while Tombstone can still do his organize crime stuff.

-Norman Osborn is furious with Tombstone for hiring the Chameleon,cause Norman thinks that the cops will catch the Chameleon and the Chameleon will turn Tombstone in and Tombstone will turn Norman in for creating supervillains.
So Norman Osborn becomes the Green Goblin to take out all loose ends.

-Green Goblin kills Gwen.

-Chameleon ends up in jail and so does Tombstone cause Chameleon rats him out.

-Otto Octavius wakes up in the hospital in the end of the movie.

[Vile]

Dr Octopus!

[Judson Caspian]

Venom and the whole sympiote story done justice is what I want to see. That thin clown played by Topher Grace was definitely not Venom.

[Immortalfire]

Electro would be ok. I also wouldn't be seeing someone like Shocker with an appearance, maybe as an early challenge to Spidey like in the movie game.

[Nathan]

I'd definitely want to have someone unused and also some small time villains that are hired by someone bigger. Bring on Shocker! :awesome:

[vasNormandy]

Not in the first film, but assuming it starts off with a bang, perhaps somewhere down the line for the 2nd or 3rd Kingpin/Fisk could be implemented? Maybe? Yeah, probably not...

[bulletbillx]

Electro would be good imo. then kraven and the lizard in the 2nd.

[Oscorp]

I think these are the best options for the first movie:
1) The Vulture (his technology would later be used for Goblin's glider)
2) Kingpin/Tombstone + Shocker
3) Chameleon + Shocker
4) Kingpin/Tombstone + Chameleon + Shocker

I think the reboot should either show us the origin again (but in a fresh take that's even more like the comics), or Peter should have just become Spider-Man, showing some of the origin as close flashbacks. In both ways, Peter is new to the whole hero-thing. Thus, I think having Electro as the villain would be a bad idea. He's too powerful and should be used to his full potential, when Spidey has reached more of his potential.

Also, I don't think Mysterio should be in the first one either. He just doesn't fit there, imo. He needs to be used later on in the series too.

For Scorpion to be used, there needs to be more developement to JJJ.

For Lizard, there needs to be alot more developement to Connors before him turning into the monster. He is a villain that we SHOULD sympathise for. Being more developed, that effect will be greater later on.

Also, I think they obviously should build up Norman before using him (preferrably use him in the third imo). Doc Ock is too great of a challenge to be used this early.

[[A]]

They can't use Kingpin.. right?

[Reikowolf]

Odds are they will follow a combination of Ultimate Spider-Man and the new Spectacular Spider-Man Animated

which puts it at the Enforcers, The Vulture (Associated with Oscorp), or Green Goblin (Tied origin with Spider-Man).

Regardless, Norman Osborn should take the limelight once again

[The Lizard]

As much as I'd LOVE to see the Lizard in this movie, I don't know if Lizzy is the best choice for the first villain to reboot the whole franchise.

Maybe a combo of Chameleon and Vulture, with Chameleon being the minor villan.

[Sentinel X]

;17936037']make Rhino bring down half the city! :applaud :up:

I am one of the few people who can see the potential in Rhino. He seems very corny but with a few rewrites to his character he can be a a serious foe and very fun to watch. And also he would be very different from any of spider-man's previous foes.

[Jostru]

Okay, so this is what I'd like to see done with the villains:

-Green Goblin: Introduce Norman in the first movie an set him up as a villain for SM2 or SM3.

- Doc Ock: I wouldn't put him in the first movie, maybe keep him out of the second as well, but I would like to see him have a cameo before turning into a villain.

-Venom: Introduce Eddie Brock in the first movie and make him Peter his rival. He could turn into Venom later on, but keep it until after SM3.

-Sandman: Just don't make him be uncle Ben's killer, please... I would keep him until after SM3, because we just had him in a movie.

-Electro: I would use him in the first movie. We haven't seen him on the big screen yet and he would just be awesome as hell.

-Tombstone: Make him like his Spectacular Spider-man counterpart. He would be awesome as a mob boss. I would use him in the first movie.

-Shocker: I would like to see him as a side-villain somewhere along the road. Maybe have him work for Tombstone (or Kingpin).

-Rhino: Same as Shocker. But have him rampage through the city.

-The Lizard: Introduce Connors in the first or second movie, but I prefer the first movie, because I want him to have as much screentime before turning into the Lizard as possible. Make Peter work with him in the lab.

-Kraven: He doesn't need a lot of backstory IMO. I would put him in the same movie as The Lizard, because Kraven vs The Lizard vs Spidey would be awesome.

-Vulture: Introduce Toomes somewhere along the road as a rival of Norman and make them argue a couple of times. After Norman turned into the Green Goblin and disappears, Toomes steals/takes back his tech and becomes The Vulture.

-Kingpin: I don't think he'll be in the reboot-franchise, because of the whole Daredevil-thing. But then again, he wouldn't be needed that much if the do Tombstone in the way he's done in SSM.

-Mysterio: I wouldn't use him until the first trilogy is made, since I want him to give Spidey illusions about all the villains he's already faced.

-Chameleon: He could be hired by Tombstone to frame Spidey.

-Carnage: IF he is used, he wouldn't be more than a killing machine. He would work fine with Venom.

-Black Cat: Introduce Felicia somewhere in the movies and make her become Black Cat in the 4th movie.

I know there are villains I haven't mentioned, but these are the ones I think will have the best chances to get into the movies.

This is how I would like to see them happen if they make 6 movies:

SM1:
Peter is in highschool and is in a love triangle with MJ and Gwen. Harry protects Peter from bullies like Flash in school, but after Peter became Spider-man, he didn't need the protection anymore. Harry doesn't like Peter being tough all of a sudden and feels like he isn't important anymore. When MJ, the girl Harry has a crush on, shows interest in Peter, Harry gets in a fight with Peter over her. Peter works at a the lab where Connors works. Eddie Brock is a photographer for The Daily Bugle and gets on Spidey's nerves when he interrupts a fight between Spidey and a villain. Norman, Harry's dad, runs Oscorp and makes a special prison to put the super-villains into.
Villains:
Electro and Tombstone. Tombstone would be the one pulling the strings and Electro would be the fighter. You could put another villains hired by Tombstone in there. Rhino or Chameleon perhaps?

SM2:
Peter is still in highschool. He and Harry become friends again. Peter gets closer to Gwen and by the end of the movie they kiss. Norman is working on some special tech, but Adrian Toomes claims that he is the one who invented it and that Norman Osborn stole it from him. Peter gets a job at the Daily Bugle where he becomes a rival of Eddie Brock.
Villains:
The Lizard and Kraven the Hunter. Connors transforms into the Lizard and goes on a rampage. This caught Kraven's eye and he comes to New York to hunt him. (Epic Lizard vs Kraven vs Spidey battle!)

SM3:
Peter is his senior year and is in a relationship with Gwen Stacy. Flash Thompson, one of the highschool bullies, starts to respect Peter and they are becoming friends. Flash starts dating a new girl: Felicia Hardy. MJ is starting to get closer with Harry, but they aren't dating yet. Peter still works for The Daily Bugle.
Villains:
The Green Goblin. Norman Osborn uses the tech he was working on to transform into the Green Goblin. He finds out that Peter Parker, his son's best friend, is actually Spider-man. Spidey and Green Goblin have an epic fight and during the fight, Gwen is killed. Spider-man defeats Green Goblin and GG/Norman is assumed dead.

SM4:
Peter finally graduated and is now at the Columbia University where he has a class from good old Doctor Connors. Peter doesn't know what to do with his life after Gwen got killed. MJ is paying a lot of attention to him after the drama of Gwen's death and Harry doesn't like this one bit. Felicia Hardy gets a bigger role and pops up here and there. Eddie Brock gets fired at the Daily Bugle.
Villains:
The Vulture, Black Cat and... the symbiote! Adrian Toomes recognised the Green Goblin tech immediately and knew it was the tech stolen from him by Norman Osborn. Toomes steals it back and becomes The Vulture. Meanwhile Peter finds an alien symbiote which bonds with him. The new black suit he gets through it amplifies aggression and this doesn't do any good to Peter's personal/social life. Felicia Hardy becomes Black Cat and likes this new dark side Spider-man is showing. At the end, Peter removes the black suit and fights Vulture in his regular red and blue suit. The symbiote is seen escaping in the after credits scene.

SM5:
Peter is trying to rebuild his life after Gwen's death and the whole symbiote-thing. MJ is growing closer and closer to Peter and starts expressing her interests for him. Harry blames Peter for losing MJ and leaves the city since he doesn't have anything or anyone to stay for anymore. Eddie Brock is out for revenge and confronts Peter a few times throughout the movie, but gets arrested by the police. Peter still works for the Daily Bugle and started helping out Connors in the lab again to keep an eye on him.
Villains:
Doc Ock. I don't really have a story for him yet, but he's just too damn awesome to not be in this franchise. The presence of the symbiote is felt in some way and in the after credits scene we see the symbiote moving towards a prison.

SM6:
Peter is completely over the events that happened in the previous movies and is starting to show his interests towards MJ as well. Harry is back and has decided that he wants to lead Oscorp like his father did. Flash Thompson starts hanging out with Peter more and they become good friends. Peter gets a better job at the Daily Bugle. When working at the lab he noticed that Doctor Connors is doing experiments on lizards again. Peter convinces Connors to stop before he turns into The Lizard again.
Villains:
Venom. The symbiote bonds with Eddie Brock in prison and he escapes. He now knows Spider-man's true identity and starts attacking everyone Peter loves. They have their first real battle at The Daily Bugle where Brock (as Venom) attacked Jameson. Later, Peter finds out that Brock is Venom and they have a huge battle. Venom is defeated and Brock is sent to a special prison built by Oscorp. In the after credits scene, Harry finds something related to the Green Goblin.

I think it would be awesome if this happened. :p

[Deaths Head II]

Villains that could work in an origin film/first film:
Electro, Chameleon, Vulture, Tombstone

Villains that would be too involved for the first film:
The Lizard, Kraven, Mysterio

[ThatDamnNinja]

This is my "in-a-perfect-world" Amazing Spider-Man hexalogy. I know my Spider-Man 5 set-up is unlikely because of Spider-Man 3, but alas...

Spider-Man 1 - Electro & Vulture
Spider-Man 2 - Lizard & Kraven
Spider-Man 3 - Green Goblin & Black Cat
Spider-Man 4 - Scorpion & Mysterio*
Spider-Man 5 - Venom & Green Goblin II
Spider-Man 6 - Doctor Octopus**

*Symbiote Suit Spider-Man
**With Black Cat as an ally of Spider-Man.

I'd love to have Sandman in there, but I couldn't find a place to fit him in, and we've already seen him, so if anyone must be dropped...

[I'm Venom]

Spider-Man:
Peter Parker is in high school and becomes Spider-Man. Mary Jane Watson, the girl Harry Osborn has a crush on, shows interest in Peter. Norman Osborn, Harry’s dad, runs Oscorp and is working on some technology. Peter gets a job at the Daily Bugle, where he becomes the rival of Eddie Brock. Dr. Curt Connors transforms into Lizard and goes on a rampage. This catches Kraven’s attention, and he comes to New York to hunt Lizard. Norman finds out that Peter, his son’s friend, is actually Spider-Man.

Villains:
Kraven & Lizard

[Iron_Stark]

Bring Malkovich as Vulture.

[TheWrathOfGod]

I say use a Nolaned up version of the Chameleon and JM as the Vulture for the reboot. The Big Man (Frederick Foswell) could be a side villain like Falcone in BB.

[Golgo-13]

I'd prefer if they start off with a lower key Villan, just so that's there's more room to re-introduce all the main characters again. Bring in the Spider-Slayers perhaps for the first one. that way we can get introduced to the corporate wrold Villan like Adrian Tombs, The Kingpin, Mr.Big and Norman Osborn....

[GoldGoblin]

SM1 (The Lizard)

-Have Peter stay in high school through out the movie.

-In Dr.Connor's class,have Dr.Connors pair up Peter with the girl of his dreams,Gwen Stacy.Show how Peter meets her father Captain Stacy when Peter goes over to her house to work on their project.

-Show Dr.Connors doing experiments on lizard DNA to regrow lost limbs.

-Dr.Connors becomes the Lizard.

-Show a flashback of Peter getting bit by the spider and how Peter first realized that he had super powers (like a car almost hits Peter,but his spider sense goes off for the first time and Peter leaps up into the air and sticks to the side of the building).

[Venom75]

I would use somebody we haven't see yet,like the Lizard,Electro or Scorpion. The major villians should follow in parts 2-4:Ock,Goblin and Venom.

[Closerframe]

Have Electro for the first film, Green Goblin for the second, and the Lizard for the third film, if it gets that far.

[Gamma Goliath]

i'd love for the movie to sort of start out how the first episode of the spectacular spiderman cartoon started, he's already spidey and he's in a high octane fight with someone.
i'd love to see him start the first movie battling and utterly imbarassing scorpion. but the main villain for the first should be lizard or someone else, setting up norman as the green goblin for the next movie.

[Sawyer]

The Lizard. End of story.

[SentinelMind]

The Lizard and Electro, with Kingpin or Norman Osbourne in background manipulating Electro. Done.

Lizard can be role model that Doc Ock shouldn't have played in Spider-Man 2. Things set up right again.

[TheScarecrow]

Ok, I've changed my mind:

Spider-man 1: The Chameleon, The Vulture and Tombstone.
- Tombstone is a mobster, one of whose thugs killed Uncle Ben. He is currently doing a business deal with Norman Osborn - who designed The Vulture's suit.
- Adrien Toomes is an agent of Tombstone's. He wears a special metal suit which gives him a super-human level of resistance. The suit also includes metallic blades which come out from under his arms, held in place by magnetic pulses which allow him to navigate into the highrises of New York City undetected at night.
- The Chameleon is an assassin out to kill Tombstone. He and Vulture are locked in a fued as The Vulture tries to protect his boss. He is a master of disguise. He has been hired by Norman Osborn.
- After Tombstone kills Adrien Toomes' daughter Valeria, the two join forces to go after the mobster, and Spider-man must make a choice between protecting the man who killed his parents, and getting the ultimate revenge.
- Dr. Curt Connors is a low-level scientist at Oscorp, who Norman allows Peter to work with. He helps Peter understand the science behind his condition, and is the only person to know that Peter Parker is Spider-man.

Spider-man 2: The Lizard, Kraven the Hunter.
- Curt Connors secretly develops a serum at Oscorp which he believes could regrow his limbs. The actual result is that he is turned into a monstrous creature.
- Being the only person who knows that Connors is The Lizard, and knowing how it could affect his company if the news got out, Norman Osborn secretly incites famous game hunter Kraven to take care of the problem.
- Things escalate as Kraven decides to not only go after the Lizard, but to also go after Spider-man. The rest of Kraven's story is an adaption of "Kraven's Last Hunt".
- Tombstone and his mob find out about Connors, and seek the formula that he used as a way of making some of their thugs like The Lizard. As such, while Spider-man must protect The Lizard from Kraven, he must also protect Connor's from Tombstone's mob whenever he changes back.
- Spider-man and Connors work on finding a cure for his condition, and eventually do.
- Norman steals Connors formula, and begins adapting it for his own purposes.

Spider-man 3: The Green Goblin
- Norman adapts Connor's formula, and becomes The Green Goblin - a combination of the classic and Ultimate versions of the character. He unleashes all hell, and kills Spider-man's girlfriend, Gwen Stacey.

[zeptron]

Green Goblin: Already been used in the original series. Should be saved for a second movie. However, Norman should have a minor cameo (to build it up).

Doc Ock: Already been used in the original series.

Venom: Been used (too much, for a rookie Spider-Man to handle), should be saved for a third or fourth movie.

Carnage: Can't be used, before they've used Venom again. Hell he shouldn't be used at all.

Electro: Probably the best choice. Not used before, his powers would pose a threat to Spider-Man (along with the rest of New York). I'd pick certain elements from the Ultimate Version; The product of bioengineering, bald, wears a black leather outfit (would be easy to translate to Live-Action), and has some grotesque burn scars. However, he should be a product of Oscorp experiments, not Hammer Industries.

[DarthDaveBanner]

Lizard I say. He kicked off the 90's animated series pretty well.

[spider_man_2]

Just adapt the first episode of Spectacular Spider-Man, "Survival of the Fittest", with a bit of "Market Forces" thrown in and we have our movie with plenty of character development, plenty of setup for the sequels' villains, Spidey recalling his origin story as he tries to stop a vindictive Vulture from killing Harry's dad away just like Peter lost his uncle Ben (works nicely with the power/responsibility theme as well), introducing Gwen and Eddie early on... And we have our kickass Spider-Man movie with two supervillains, Vulture and Shocker.

[Kane]

Seriously, I hope they don't use a villain in the reboot that they've already shown us. I mean, I do want to see a new and better Green Goblin and Venom eventually, but I'd prefer if we got a villain we haven't seen yet and work their way into delivering those guys again. My choices are for Electro and The Lizard. Another cool thing to do would be to have the characters of Eddie Brock and Norman Osborn (along with any other villains) in the film, and slowly build their way towards having them become Venom and Green Goblin (not in the same movie) over the course of a couple films.

[Jick09]

Just adapt the first episode of Spectacular Spider-Man, "Survival of the Fittest", with a bit of "Market Forces" thrown in and we have our movie with plenty of character development, plenty of setup for the sequels' villains, Spidey recalling his origin story as he tries to stop a vindictive Vulture from killing Harry's dad away just like Peter lost his uncle Ben (works nicely with the power/responsibility theme as well), introducing Gwen and Eddie early on... And we have our kickass Spider-Man movie with two supervillains, Vulture and Shocker.
I like this idea. But, from what I heard, Sony ain't using Vulture in the first movie.

[Phoenix_Flare]

well if Sony plans to make this reboot series ala the Nolan/Batman franchise then they need to make plans to introduce, Silverman:Silversable,...Tombstone(hopeflly portrayed by a black actor):Hammerhead...Kingpin(if the get the rights to use him) and my choice of villan to balance these guys out is the Hobgoblin,seeing how Norman built his suit/weapons anyway to take dwn Kingpin

they all make great crime lords, the Hobgoblin wld be like TDK's Joker..but i think my idea wld be better for a sequel

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I would have Dr. Connors be the first villain. Like someone suggested, in the beginning Peter could already be Spider-Man facing off against some bank-robbers and I would have it where they try to escape via helicopter like we saw in 2001 trailer for the first movie, but they get caught in his webs like a fish in a net.

From there we get introduced to Pete at school. He is a loner--- his only friends are Gwen and Harry. Harry sticks up for him against Flash Thompson and the rest of the bullies, but feels that he's missing out on the popularity he should and could be having because he has Pete to look after/tag along. Gwen secretly loves Peter/Harry secretly loves Gwen.

Pete, being the head of his class, is asked to work after school for Dr. Connors. A friendship is developed between the two men and Connors tells Peter about the formula he's been creating that can regrow a human limb. Peter thinks it sounds dangerous and warns Curt of the variables and possibilities that occur if he does indeed test it. Curt doesn't listen, he tests it, and becomes The Lizard.

Meanwhile, Tombstone or Kingpin could be a secondary villain like Falcone in "BB." I would have Norman Osborne being a shadowy character. We meet him through Harry but we don't quite know what he's doing, who he's involved with, etc. because he doesn't want anyone in on it and it's all hushed-hush and behind close doors. At the end, he would reveal himself as the man controlling Tombstone and supplying the mob with weaponry. Perhaps, the Enforcers could be thrown in, but just in name only.

In movie 2, I'd have where we learn more about what Norman is doing. Vulture could be the villain this time. He gets revenge on Osborne, Osborne gets found out that he was helping Tombstone, and in his last case scenario he tests the Goblin serum, and flees Oscorp. Harry defends his dad saying it's all rumors and that there is no proof. Pete and Gwen's love blossoms. Spider-Man defeats Vulture but GG shows up, kills Toomes, and takes Gwen hostage. Spider-Man chases GG to the bridge, GG drops her, she dies, and Spidey beats GG to a bloody pulp, but soon sees this isn't how he should be or react. He lets GG go but GG with a last ounce of strength tries to kill him but of course... we know what happens.

Movie 3, I'd bring in some new villains like Kraven, Electro, Mysterio, or Chameleon.

Movie 4- Doc Ock.

[Mach2Infinity]

What else do you want? Either they use one of his top two enemies, or one of the unused villains.

You don't think they're going to use Sandman so soon after SM-3, do you?

Still, it would be nice to have a poll which has the full array of top Spider-Man villains. Rather than have a general 'other' villains tab so that we can have a more accurate analysis of which villain(s) people would most like to see. It's only reasonable.

Personally I liked Green Goblin as his first enemy, but, I think for the first movie, he should just deal with like the mob or something.

Does Fox still have the rights to Kingpin? I wouldn't mind seeing him in the first.

I'd like to see a villain not used, preferably Lizard, but I think the Mafia would also be a smart choice since it would be an area of Spiderman that hasn't been used before.

I think escalating the threat for Spider-Man would be ideal. Unfortunately Sam Raimi decided to skim over the period where Spider-Man combats and apprehends petty criminals. Seeing as though the new series will involve a younger and certainly inexperienced Spider-Man. It would be satisfying to explore in greater depth, Spider-Man first foray into crimefighting by his dismantling of a criminal organisation such as the mafia. I think the Kingpin would be ideal for the first film. The only stumbling block is the question of rights and ownership. At the moment 20th Century Schlock own the rights to the Kingpin character since they used him in the Daredevil film. Now, it seems that either the rights for him have/will revert back to Marvel Studios or 20th Century Fox will want to make a sequel/reboot. In any case it would be difficult for Sony Pictures to get their hands on the rights for Kingpin. Is there a possibility that Marvel Studios could buy the rights off Sony for Spider-Man? If not and they were desperate for the Kingpin character then perhaps Sony and 20th Century Fox/Marvel could arrange some distribution deal which allows the Spider-Man franchise to use the character. Nonetheless, my preferred template for the next Spider-Man film is to use a more grounded villain tied with regular petty crime. Rather than a supervillain. I think the Green Goblin at the very least should not make an appearance until the third film. To allow for character development for the relationship among Norman Osborn, Harry Osborn and Peter Parker. I also think a character such as the Lizard should not be used until the second film (I think film number two would be good). Again to simply allow the relationship between Dr. Curt Connors and Peter Parker to develope and give gravitas to Spider-Man's dilemma in fighting him come the transformation.

[TheSlag]

I think for the sake of the reboot, it will be important that they give us a new villain that we have not seen yet, since the Raimi years are still fresh in everyone's mind. As long as they "hint" at the A-List villains to come.

I personally cannot wait to see what they do with GG, as I loved Dafoe's portrayal, but not the costume.

And besides, the A-List villains need prep time to develop their characters correctly. Especially GG and the Osborns.

[Ultimate Doom]

Lizard or Scorpion

[FaT_tONle]

Kingpin has no business at Fox. DD is dead. Are Marvel reps available to answer questions at comic con and so forth regarding when Blade/DD turn back over to Marvel? DD should be returning to Marvel within a year. I am sure they will lease him to Sony in exchange for something else.

[conan69]

If Sony didnt want Lizard before, what makes everyone think theyll give the go ahead for him now??

I say Electro is most likely to kick off the reboot. Visually hes prob the most exciting villian we havent seen yet.

[Reikowolf]

If Sony didnt want Lizard before, what makes everyone think theyll give the go ahead for him now??

I say Electro is most likely to kick off the reboot. Visually hes prob the most exciting villian we havent seen yet.

If they can do the Times Square fight from the Ultimate Spider-Man video game.. it would really be a fun watch, especially in 3D

[Dragon]

What villain or villains do you think they should restart the franchise with? Should they use one of Spidey's big guns, like Green Goblin or Doctor Octopus, villains who can be established and done in one movie?

Or should they do what Batman Begins did, and use villains who were not used in the previous franchise? Say someone like The Lizard, or Electro, or even the Vulture? Or maybe a combo?

If I were rebooting the franchise, I'd start with someone new. Probably Electro. His powers are both simple enough and spectacular enough to get things off to a big start. But I'd start dropping hints by introducing Norman and Otto.

I'd also only show Spidey's origin in brief flashback, rather than a full retelling.

[Artistsean]

I am afraid that, because of the fall out from Raimi wanting the Vulture and the studio apparently not, that we wont see certain CLASSIC and cool bad guys, like the Vulture, Chameleon, Kraven the Hunter, and others, because the studio is afraid they wont make them money.
Vulture may not have the coolest powers, or costume, but he would be a great character (especially with an actor like Malcavich playing him).
I hope this doesn't happen though, studio forcing a character like Carnage in over a classic bad guy like Kraven.

[GoldGoblin]

Villains like Electro and Sandman are villains that have to get their powers in a cool way,not some lame a## way like being electrocuted.Having Norman Osborn make them for a mobster so the mobster can use them to distract spidey while the mobster can do his organized crime without spidey showing up is a good way.

[Nathan]

I think we should stick with Electro and Sandman being accidents. I don't mind if they create some Hightech villains, like Shocker. But if Electro and Sandman get produced, they should get their powers from experiments gone wrong. Being able to create villains with actual Superpowers, shouldn't be something simple to do.

[I_am_iron_man]

My two cents.

ASM 1

Introduce Peter at high-school. Don't need to show origins, show them in an opening title (like "The incredibile Hulk"). Introduce Mary Jane, Gwen, Harry, Flash Thompson and Liz. Introduce Curt Connors and Miles Warren as Peter's professors.

In the movie we'll see the death of Uncle Ben and Peter became Spider-Man after this event.

Show the origins of Electro, an engineer who - after an accident - gave superpowers. In his first "mission", Spider-Man defeat Dillon and police imprisoned him. Dillon (isn't already Electro, only a common thief with powers) meet Vulture - Adrian Toomes - in prison. He's an old thief, imprisoned for years. Thanks to some "mysterious" helps (i don't know, sure writers find a solution :yay:) he has build a couple of wings that can permit him to escape. But he can't do it alone so he makes a deal with Dillon: Dillon will help Toomes to escape and help him to rob banks (because Toomes is old now) and Toomes will help Dillon to find and kill this new superhero who has send him to prison.

Meanwhile Peter falls in love with Gwen and some stories like these. Introducing in the movie also Aunt May, Anna Watson, Captain Stacy and Norman Osborn as a mysterious scientist father of Harry. Peter begin to work for Daily Bugle as a photographer: so introduce Jameson, Betty Brant and Robbie.

Take inspiration from Marvel Knight's Mark Millar's run when Electro e Vulture kick-Spidey-A**. I'd love to see this on his first adventure because the two villains are adults while Peter is only a teenager who tries to be a superhero. It will be "gritty" and "realistic" like studio wants.

Take inspiration, also, from the Stan Lee's original comics and Spider-Man: Blue by Jeph Loeb.

In the end Vulture is imprisoned again but Electro must die because in the movie Vulture is only a thief while Electro is a criminal who wants kill the superhero. No MJ kidnapped or Gwen. Only Electro vs. Spidey.

In the very end we'll see Connors make esperiments on himself.

...................

ASM2

Peter continue to be a superhero and a normal teenager. He's fiancè with Gwen and other stuff.

Connors will became the Lizard because from the end of the first one to the begins of the second one he continue to make experiment on himself.

Spider-Man won't kill Lizard but he's a menace for New York. Meanwhile Daily Bugle make a campaign against the new hero and New York is with the journal.

A cruel and psycopatic man, name Kraven, go to New York to kill the Lizard. But Spider-Man try to stop him so Kraven going mad and think to kill both. Daily Bugle reclaim Kraven as an hero because he will kill two menaces in one.

Adapting Kraven's Last Hunt changing Vermin with Lizard. Introducing also Connors' family: they give an emotional storyline to the whole movie.

In the end - after a cruel battle - Kraven decide to kill himself because he's the bad guy of this story and not Lizard or Spider-Man. Spider-Man helps Lizard to became again Connors and this is a sort of happy ending, again "gritty" and "realistic".

..............

ASM 3

Final chapter? Or not (if they cast young actors they can continue after third movie with others three films)?

So, Peter continue his double life and Captain Stacy knows his new identity.

I don't know if they must introduce two villains or only one but they must transform Norman as Green Goblin. Yeah, i know that in the first Spider-man movie directed by Raimi there are Goblin but...Well, they can make different. First of all they have developed Norman for three movies and second they can make him different (like Nicholson's Joker and Ledger's Joker, for exemple).

One thing only: adapt the Gwen's death storyline. In the end Gwen must die.

......................

This is my idea of a whole new trilogy. After a third movie they can explore the couple Mary Jane-Peter and introduce villains like Sandman, Shocker, Doc Ock, Mysterio, Venom and why not Black Cat (maybe in a fifth one when Peter and MJ stay together and this new female...Broke the...you know what I means).

What do u think? :woot:

[Rain]

If they can do the Times Square fight from the Ultimate Spider-Man video game.. it would really be a fun watch, especially in 3D


:up:

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As long as Electo wears an ultimate-ish costume with a little 616 in it.

[I'm Venom]

I hope they don’t use a villain in the reboot that they’ve already shown us and work their way into delivering those guys again. My choice is Lizard. Another thing to do would be to have the character of Eddie Brock in the film and slowly build toward having him become Venom over the course of a couple of films.

[TheSlag]

My two cents.



What do u think? :woot:

Overall, pretty good I think, and along the lines of what I was thinking/hoping for.

A couple of quick comments though:

I would prefer they introduce MJ like they did in ASM, and I think in others too.. where Anna Watson and Aunt May conspire to set Peter and MJ up, telling Peter that she is such a sweet girl.. great personality.. yada yada yada.

Where Peter thinks Yeahhh right. And then have the famous intro of MJ at the Door... "Face it Tiger, you just hit the Jackpot". Love that scene.

They could make MJ a student transfer in mid semester to Peter's school, to bring her into the gang.


Secondly. I think Lisard in ASM2 or whatever it will be called, may be a little quick, with having to intro us to the Connors family, and establish Peter in their Psuedo family. I prefer to intro Connors after Peter graduates high school and goes to college. This will ensure that Peter has already lost Uncle Ben, and KNOWS the pain of losing a family loved one (Connor's role in multiple ways, as a friend/family to Pete, as well as to his own family and Billy Connors/Dr. Connors parellel to Peter/Uncle Ben.

That could be some VERY moving scenes with Peter and Billy...concerning his Dad (Curt).

And I think they need to introduce Norman along with Harry in ASM1. Albeit in a minor role early, just to establish his character by the time his storyline comes front and center.

But overall.. well done. :up:

I am soooo Hyped for where this Reboot can go.. WOW!!!!

[JeanVitchier]

I suggest they go with a full blast cast of villains. The original Sinister Six!! That would be cool for a fresh start of the franchise.

Doc Ock,Vulture, Electro, Kraven, Mysterio, Sandman. Nothing a high-school Spider-Man can't handle!!

[JeanVitchier]

I suggest they go with a full blast cast of villains. The original Sinister Six!! That would be cool for a fresh start of the franchise.

Doc Ock,Vulture, Electro, Kraven, Mysterio, Sandman. Nothing a high-school Spider-Man can't handle!!

[TheSlag]

If they can do the Times Square fight from the Ultimate Spider-Man video game.. it would really be a fun watch, especially in 3D


While I have not seen the video game, I too would LOVE to see a battle between Spidey and Electro in Times Square. A walking powerhouse Electro causing havoc in Times Sq. WOW. Could be awesome!

And yes, it would be great in 3D too, but still not sold on the whole 3D stuff yet, although Avatar showed me a lot in that area, espeically when it minimized the usual 3D gimicky shots. (stuff fyling at you, etc.)

3D, if used, should simply supplement the realism, giving more depth (dimensions), NOT for the sight gags of stuff flying off the screen at you.

Just my opinion. But agreed, Times Square between Spidey and Electro would be FANTASTIC I think.

[TheSlag]

I hope they don’t use a villain in the reboot that they’ve already shown us and work their way into delivering those guys again. My choice is Lizard. Another thing to do would be to have the character of Eddie Brock in the film and slowly build toward having him become Venom over the course of a couple of films.


I prefer the Eddie Brock that is not part of the High School gang myself. But I do hope we get a proper telling of the symbiote/black spider-man/Venom.. down the line.

[TheWatcher]

Electro and Sandman

[Dragon]

Villains like Electro and Sandman are villains that have to get their powers in a cool way,not some lame a## way like being electrocuted.Having Norman Osborn make them for a mobster so the mobster can use them to distract spidey while the mobster can do his organized crime without spidey showing up is a good way.



No f-ing way. The SSM Villain Factory is one of the dumbest aspects of that show. The branches of science that would create the likes of Sandman, Rhino, etc. are too vast for one tech facility to pull that off. Having them different types of accidents or even unconnected experiments is not only more plausible, but it's more dramatic than their merely being guinea pigs, and the experiements ALWAYS working as planned.

[I_am_iron_man]

Overall, pretty good I think, and along the lines of what I was thinking/hoping for.

A couple of quick comments though:

I would prefer they introduce MJ like they did in ASM, and I think in others too.. where Anna Watson and Aunt May conspire to set Peter and MJ up, telling Peter that she is such a sweet girl.. great personality.. yada yada yada.

Where Peter thinks Yeahhh right. And then have the famous intro of MJ at the Door... "Face it Tiger, you just hit the Jackpot". Love that scene.

They could make MJ a student transfer in mid semester to Peter's school, to bring her into the gang.


Secondly. I think Lisard in ASM2 or whatever it will be called, may be a little quick, with having to intro us to the Connors family, and establish Peter in their Psuedo family. I prefer to intro Connors after Peter graduates high school and goes to college. This will ensure that Peter has already lost Uncle Ben, and KNOWS the pain of losing a family loved one (Connor's role in multiple ways, as a friend/family to Pete, as well as to his own family and Billy Connors/Dr. Connors parellel to Peter/Uncle Ben.

That could be some VERY moving scenes with Peter and Billy...concerning his Dad (Curt).

And I think they need to introduce Norman along with Harry in ASM1. Albeit in a minor role early, just to establish his character by the time his storyline comes front and center.

But overall.. well done. :up:

I am soooo Hyped for where this Reboot can go.. WOW!!!!

Thanks. :yay:

I'd write the movie :hehe: I hope that Vanderbilt has written a good story.Because think a coerent and good story isn't too difficult!

[MutantSteam]

I wouldn't mind seeing a less powerful villian like Rhino or Shocker. But I'd be okay with seeing Doc Ock in the first one.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

No f-ing way. The SSM Villain Factory is one of the dumbest aspects of that show. The branches of science that would create the likes of Sandman, Rhino, etc. are too vast for one tech facility to pull that off. Having them different types of accidents or even unconnected experiments is not only more plausible, but it's more dramatic than their merely being guinea pigs, and the experiements ALWAYS working as planned.

Did you even pay attention to the show? The only villains that were created were Sandman, Rhino, and Molten Man. They were all based on ONE silicon armor technology: the first one was a FAILED experiment, the second one was a success, and the third a different approach to the second.

How is having 15 radiation accidents a week in New York City more plausible than that?:huh:

[GoldGoblin]

Electro should look something like Dr.Manhattan from Watchmen.

[Nathan]

Man, I hope not.

[Mach2Infinity]

I like the idea of Electro. Perhaps the Kingpin (if the rights are secured)/Hammerhead could hire him to counter the threat of Spider-Man?

[GoldGoblin]

Man, I hope not.

^
You don't want blue skin with electricity.

[Ultimate Doom]

blue skinned electro is bada**

[Ultimate Doom]

double post

[Nathan]

We had something similar in the 2003 cartoon. I wasn't fond of the look at all. I don't really want him floating around naked and being living electricity.

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[Jick09]

Having Electro is not something that thrills me.
His powers aren't really uncommon in movies. Feels like I have seen him many times already.

[Dragon]

Did you even pay attention to the show? The only villains that were created were Sandman, Rhino, and Molten Man. They were all based on ONE silicon armor technology: the first one was a FAILED experiment, the second one was a success, and the third a different approach to the second.

You're kidding right? One attempt to create armor completely mutates a man's body into shape-shifting sand. The next places a coat of armor over top his body, and the third makes a man combust. And this is all one experiment? Please. So I guess Spider-Man, the FF and the Hulk were all based on one experiment as well? Save that for the Saturday morning Froot Loops crowd.

How is having 15 radiation accidents a week in New York City more plausible than that?:huh:

What 15 radiation accidents are you referring to? Sandman's body fused with Sand after being exposed to a nuke blast.

Ock's brain was damaged due to an explosion and said damage gave him control over the tentacles that fused to his nervous system. Radiation need not be a factor in this.

Molten man was coated in a chemical that made his body super-dense and powerful.

Electro merely learned via an accident that his body could absorb and discharge electricity.

And the point of them being accidents is to show that this is a once in a lifetime thing. There can be no other Sandmen, Doc Ocks or Electros. One can even assume that Rhino is almost as hard to recreate due to cost and finding a suitable test subject.

Far more believable than Osborn assembly-lining villains on demand for a crime boss when he'd make much more money selling super soldiers to the various goverments around the world.

[Venom'sDad]

I've been here readng many posts about what villain should the rebooted franchise start with; but, no one is saying how they would use that villain(s).

What says you.... how would you use the villain you want?

[zeptron]

Considering the fact that Sony's still has the rights and now they want only villains who don't wear a mask or have a human face I'd be really shocked if we saw GG again or if Lizard appears.

[sdc10]

I think we should see some unused villains. Everyone knows Osborne is the Green Goblin but that doesnt mean that just because he is in the movie that the Goblin must also be there. Spend some time building up his character and relationship to Peter. Look at what Batman Begins did for Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul, neither of which are A-List Batman villains but they did a great job of being bad guys in that film.

[I'm Venom]

I prefer the Eddie Brock that is not part of the High School gang myself. But I do hope we get a proper telling of the symbiote/black spider-man/Venom.. down the line.

I never said Brock should be in high school. In the Cast The Spider-Man Reboot thread, I approved of the idea of Brock being played by Jensen Ackles (My Bloody Valentine), who turns 32 in a couple of months and will be 34 when the reboot hits theatres. I think an 18 year old Peter Parker in his senior year in high school and a 34 year old Eddie Brock being rivals at the Daily Bugle seems closer to the comics than the age difference between the two in Spider-Man 3.

[[A]]

A proper telling of the symbiote/black spider-man/Venom would require the Beyonder showing up, buying all Marvel licenses, taking them to another planet, and so on -- you know the story :cwink:

[XSpidercideX]

1) Electro
2) Chameleon

Electro could be the main bad guy kinda like Rhas Al Ghul was and Chameleon could be the side villain like Scarecrow.

Also, having Chameleon sets things up for his bro, Kraven to come in later. I really want to see a Kraven' Last Hunt in like the 4th movie.

[XSpidercideX]

In fact:

1) Electro, Chameleon(side villain)
-Electro is the main villain, Chameleon is introduced as a side villain kinda like a Scarecrow for BB. Chameleon's brother is Kraven so it sets up a tie in for the 4th film.
-Norman is introduced
- Peter dates Gwen

2) Green Goblin
- kills Gwen on the bridge
- Peter graduates high school and goes to college

3) Scorpion, Vulture
- film first introduces Vulture as he creates his suit, mid film Jonah creates Scorpion to destroy Spider-man
- features villain teamup
- Peter starts dating MJ

4) Kraven, Lizard, Chameleon
- Kraven comes to America after Conners turns into Lizard to take him down,
- Chameleon gives him a new target: Spider-man

5) Venom, Carnage
- 'nuff said

6) Mysterio, Rhino
- Main villain is Mysterio who plays mind games, film could feature a lot of mystery and uncertanty
- Rhino is featured in a street encounter
- MJ and Peter tie the knot

7) Doc Ock leading the Sinister Six
'nuff said part 2

[Gotham22]

part 1 - Hammerhead, Vulture, Mysterio, Shocker, and Tombstone
Future villains - Eddie Brock Dr. Conners, Noman Osborn, Harry Osborn

Part 2 - Tombstone, Spider-Slayer, Spencer and Alistair Smythe , Beetle, and Black Cat
Future villains - Eddie Brock Dr. Conners, Norman Osborn, Harry Osborn

Part 3 - Black Cat, Kraven, Norman Osborn/Green Goblin, The Lizard
Future villains - Eddie Brock, Harry Osborn, Otto Octavious

Part 4 - Norman Osborn/Green Goblin, Silvermane, Alistair Smythe, Venom, Dr. Octopus
Future villains - Harry Osborn, John Jameson

Part 5 - Venom, Carnage, Harry Osborn/Green Goblin, Man-Wolf
Futrue villain - Michael Morbius

Part 6 - Scorpion, The Lizard, Man-Spider, Morbius, Kraven




Lots of villains but the trick is less screen time but great story for them which impacts on the main story.

[thorstone]

If Sony says no to The Lizard and Universal won't cooperate to use the Hulk-- the only option for super villain is Octavius.

A much more realistic Doc Ock who is not a good guy.
I imagine Octavius as a mutant with a tactile magnetic ability-- explaining how he can control the arms. He should have eight arms with smooth joints, wear body armor (because weight is not an issue), and be this force, this tank that cannot be stopped.


http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/picture-8-3.png

I think the arms should look like the following:
http://dimensionz.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots_beauty-beast-unit.jpg

[Nathan]

Hell no to this idea.

[JustABill]

Yeah. Why take something so simple as Doc Ock and make it into...well....THAT.

[The Slang]

For starters I want more fights with regular criminals. Including regular criminals with alias. Examples: Kingpin, Silvermaine, hammerhead, Owl, Sin Eater (could make a good story btw), Tinkerer, Tombstone, Bloodrose, Alistor Smythe and Spencer Smythe, the undertaker...

I wanna see Spidey take on an unused villain. Goblin and Ock were both major villains that had a connection to Peter at some point in Spidey's history. They really were bad decisions for his very first supervillain encounters. He should have had a little more experience before facing them.
Villains can affect parker's life without knowing him or kidnapping his loved ones. Example: Spider-man fails to apprehend said villain in the first couple encounters. Parker suffers a loss of ego and becomes distracted from his studies and unable to concentrate on his girlfriend. He realizes that he cannot live as Peter Parker with the guilt of not upholding his responsibilities as Spider-man. Now this once-stranger (the villain) becomes a symbol for all the obstacles we must overcome to be the best of ouselves. Two warriors dueling at sundown for their honour can be 'emotionally gripping' enough without a girlfriend getting kidnapped in the mix.

When it comes to which villains, my first thought is that there are action villains and story villains. I think of Mysterio as a story villain. The whole 'frame spidey and turn the public against him' is a great story. But personally I want to see spidey GET a reputation before someone tries to ruin it. Scorpion too is an excellent story villain. The Lizard again, story villain. Morbius, Kraven, anything symbiote related. All these villains require a large amount of story telling with their introduction and motives.

Action villains on the other hand are ones that can be introduced with minimum explanation and could simply disappear after being defeated (maybe in a single scene). Some decent action villains they could take advantage of are:
Shocker,
Rhino,
Chameleon
Vulture,
Electro,
Beetle, (Could be very good)
Chance,
Shriek (One of the better female villains)
Solo,
Speed Demon,
Boomerang (Could actually work with some retooling)
Cardiac

There's plenty to use if the creators are imaginative enough.

[Spider-Fan83]

I wouldn't mind seeing, Chameleon, for the first one

[spider-neil]

opening credits - rhino

main villian - mysterio

set up villian - lizard

[mothy]

an un-used villain. again, to differentiate from the other series.

[JustABill]

I wouldn't mind seeing, Chameleon, for the first one
I think you'd need to set up relationships that he could exploit before doing him, so he's more of a sequel villain.

[spider-neil]

I think you'd need to set up relationships that he could exploit before doing him, so he's more of a sequel villain.


that's not true, the cameleon shows up in ASM number 1

[JustABill]

that's not true, the cameleon shows up in ASM number 1
Well, to use him to better effect is what I meant.

[Nathan]

He could be another character that is there from the beginning and appears at key moments, never interacting with Spider-Man though. Similar to Spectacular Spider-Man, people might get annoyed of how often that cartoon gets referenced now, but it did just so many things right. Like developing a ton of characters.

[spider-neil]

He could be another character that is there from the beginning and appears at key moments, never interacting with Spider-Man though. Similar to Spectacular Spider-Man, people might get annoyed of how often that cartoon gets referenced now, but it did just so many things right. Like developing developing a ton of characters.


the way how SSM wove him into the GG plotline was utterly utterly brilliant

[JustABill]

****, I've never really stopped to watch Spec Spidey. Is really that fantastic? The art just always turned me off.

[spider-neil]

****, I've never really stopped to watch Spec Spidey. Is really that fantastic? The art just always turned me off.

trust me when I say its the best redition of spidey put on screen. watch it you'll see what I'm talking about

for me its

JL/JLU
SSM
BTAS

yes, its THAT good

[JustABill]

I saw a clip from it that someone posted in the reboot announcement thread, GG and Spidey fighting and it definitely seemed like it pegged those characters well.

[Leenie]

An unused villain would be my preference.

If we get an origin story AND a villain we've seen before, then it's going to feel redundant.

[Goran]

I guess we won't be getting an origin story again
And I hope they're not gonna re-use a villain already shown on big screen..
My choice would be Electro and Lizard or Electro and Tombstone, setting up Lizard as a future villain.

[smpinoy]

1st movie.... mob boss

hammerhead and/or tombstone....electro as their enforcer

[Jostru]

I noticed that a few of you guys said Mysterio should be the villain... I like the character a lot, but here's the thing:

Wouldn't it be better to use him AFTER Peter/Spider-man already faced a few supervillains, so Mysterio could use them in his illusions and stuff? If you use him in the first movie that's not possible. So I'd really like them to wait with Mysterio until after the first 3 movies or so...

I'd like to see Electro and Tombstone in the first movie. Tombstone would be pulling all the strings and he makes a deal with Electro to take care of Spidey. Maybe throw Rhino or Shocker in their as someone who Tombstone hired, but failed.

[The Lizard]

I've never really stopped to watch Spec Spidey. Is really that fantastic? The art just always turned me off.

I'm not a fan of the animation art style on Spectacular Spider-Man either, but the storylines, characterization and action totally make up for it.

You can tell the SSM writers really "get" Spidey's character and have a healthy respect for the classic Silver-age Spidey stories without being afraid to update certain elements. Every now and then they do something dumb, like the half-animal Kraven thing, but overall the plots, dialogue and action in the episodes are great. Pure Spidey. :up:

[sdc10]

Lots of villains but the trick is less screen time but great story for them which impacts on the main story.

Didnt they try that with Spider-man 3? I think we all know how that turned out:awesome:

[NinjaCarm]

Lizard and Electro like in the Spectacular Spider-Man animated series episodes.

[The Villain]

For a reboot I'd opt for Mysterio but he is my fav and really needs a good.
script to carry the film along.

I'd actually prefer to see Chameleon, Shocker, or Scorpion be in reboot film first though.

Chameleon has been a cunning foe for Spidey in the past so I see no problem using him provided similar to Mysterio they give him a good script.

It would be a nice touch to follow the original comic and use the 1st Chameleon story but build it up a little.

:grin:

[Gotham22]

Didnt they try that with Spider-man 3? I think we all know how that turned out:awesome:

It works with Begins and TDK. It just has to have a great script and a great Director and filmmaking team who know what they're doing.

Most importantly, Sony learning from there mistakes with Raimi. Not pressuring the new director with villains to use that he doesn't like.

[LightningFlash]

Keep Vulture for the reboot, but have Kingsley do it instead of Malkovich.

[thorstone]

Yeah. Why take something so simple as Doc Ock and make it into...well....THAT.


I don't want Doc Ock in a Neo trench coat in the reboot and I don't want him in a scifi suit like Raimi's Goblin. He should have realistic body armor-- maybe something higher pay than the riot gear I posted but nonetheless, real.

I wasn't suggesting he wear a helmet and gas mask.

[BillyZaned]

Hammerhead

Ultimate Shocker

[Rodrigo90]

I never wanted The Lizard in 4,but I would like to see him in this one.

I would like it if Connors took Peter under his wing,after Uncle Ben's funeral. It would great if he found out Peter was Spider-Man by finding a Web Cartridge in his Science Lab and he supplies him with one of the schools science kits for Peter to take home.

So Peter and Connors bond,until he becomes The Lizard. Peter wonders if there is a chance to save his friend,while Kraven comes along to end that hope.

[DACrowe]

I say use Lizard or somebody else in the first one. If you reuse GG or Doc Ock again so soon, most will think it is just a lame retread of the old movies and not see it. You need to stand out. Lizard is awesome and unused.

[DACrowe]

Introduce Norman in the first, have him pull the strings of a convoluted plot in the second and then do Death of Gwen Stacy in the third and end it with Peter and MJ ASM #122. I think in all honesty that would be a perfect early spidey trilogy. #1 just the Lizard. #2 multiple villains, maybe Doc Ock and somebody else who is working for Norman, which we don't realize until the third act. And then GG/Death of Stacy for the third. That is how to do it, really.

[Chris B]

I would pick the Lizard, but he seems pretty unlikely with it being purported that Sony can't see him working in live-action.

So I'm going to say Electro. Who could be a visually exciting villain and physical threat to Spider-Man. Just needs some fleshing out.

[DACrowe]

Save Ock, Venom, and Gobby for sequels. You can easily revolve at least a film around each, and if they are "restarting" the universe and reintroducing Spidey they don't necessarily need a villain who's as fleshed out. Think Batman Begins. I'm hoping for Electro or Lizard.

the problem with using Batman Begins is that it was modeled, at least for the studio, loosely on the success and formula of the first Spider-Man movie. I don't want to see an origin again, so you do need a fleshed out villain. And that is why I say Lizard, as he is a heavy hitter. But we'd probably need him alone as he and Kraven in a reboot may be overdoing it...or not.

Reusing Doc Ock will be the ahrdest of the three. Sure they can redo his personality so that he is truly an arrogant and evil egotist who is out to prove his superiority to a doubting world. That's all fine and well. But what about his plot goals? He's trying to build something with destructive attributes? That's his usual M.O. and SM2 already did that plotline (even if you don't like his characterization) perfectly. And visually he is really, really cool.

So the trick with Ock is you do need to "Nolanize" it in that he is not the only major external conflict in Peter's life. That means another villain or possibly the mob. I would love for the new "SM2" to feature him and possibly an Electro, Mysterio, Scorpion type. Who has his string, it is revealed, pulled by Norman Osborn.

Yeah doing a GG or Venom focused film are easier. GG can look really different and be more vicious (not just killing Gwen, but his mindgames in general with Peter should be more Machiavellian, like the Joker). Venom? He didn't get his own film, so you could give him his own now. The only problem would be that creating a Venom origin on film is still ridiculously hard as seen in the SM3 movie.

[Artistsean]

I think since we already had Goblin, Ock, and Sandman,
(even though it would be nice to redo them too) now we can see Mysterio, Scorpion, Electro, Kraven, Chameleon, Rhino, and the like.
Now is the time for new and exciting bad guys, Mysterio, Electro, and Scorpion would be visually exciting and make for great characters I think.

[sdc10]

It works with Begins and TDK. It just has to have a great script and a great Director and filmmaking team who know what they're doing.

Most importantly, Sony learning from there mistakes with Raimi. Not pressuring the new director with villains to use that he doesn't like.

You have way more characters being built up in a single movie than either BB or TDK.

[Gamma Goliath]

if theyre not doing an origin story, then id introduce kraven and lizard for the first movie, and id have them be peter's first big threats while setting up norman for the goblin in the second, and that gives us time to fall in love with gwen in the first, so when gobby kills her in the second flick, it'll seem more devistating.

[GoldGoblin]

Lizard has great visuals,great story,great action,it would connect Dr.Connors,Gwen,and Peter together.The Lizard is all animal,so he wouldn't kidnap the girl.We get to see Dr.Connors pair Peter and Gwen up as lab partners.

Peter and Gwen would bond this way,cause they would have a reason why they spend so much time together.We would get to see Captain Stacy,cause they could do their project at times at Gwen's house.

It just fits all together so well.

[Gamma Goliath]

exactly but id throw in kraven too

[GoldGoblin]

exactly but id throw in kraven too

^
But they could use that screen time better to develop other characters for later use,like Norman & Harry Osborn.

[sdc10]

^
But they could use that screen time better to develop other characters for later use,like Norman & Harry Osborn.

This is true but I always felt that Kraven and Lizard would make a good villain duo. Kraven comes to town after hearing talk about a giant lizard running around. This of course conflicts Peter because he now must protect Conners as well as fight him, and obviously Kraven is gonna be interested in hunting spider man.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

You're kidding right? One attempt to create armor completely mutates a man's body into shape-shifting sand. The next places a coat of armor over top his body, and the third makes a man combust. And this is all one experiment? Please. So I guess Spider-Man, the FF and the Hulk were all based on one experiment as well? Save that for the Saturday morning Froot Loops crowd.

The first attempt (a genuine accident) fused Marko with unstable silicon particles (sand, basically) after safety precautions were ignored, and was even pointed out in the episode. The second attempt was the same as the first, but with higher safety precautions, including a glass mold. Finally, the material Molten Man was coated in was also a silicon armor, but introduced by nanotechnology. The higher temperatures and prolonged heat was a side-effect, which the Green Goblin used to his advantage. [/QUOTE]


Far more believable than Osborn assembly-lining villains on demand for a crime boss when he'd make much more money selling super soldiers to the various goverments around the world.

Have you finished watching the second season? There's a reason Osborn mass-produces villains and sticks around with the Big Man. He has his own agenda.

[Rodrigo90]

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[Solidus]

I accidentally put Doc Ock, though I want to see him but later. I guess I would say a villain we have not seen yet on film. I would say Electro as my vote.

[LightningFlash]

And keep Green Goblin for the third film. He is a major villain, moreso than Sandman and Venom put together, imo. A great cliffhanger to end a third film is to have Harry find his father's gear, and end the trilogy right there and no fourth film; leave the audience guessing and then having to read the comics to find out what Harry does.

Thus creating more geeks. It will only make people smarter.

[Hannibal Smith]

I think that The Lizard and Vulture be good to have in the first movie. The Lizard can be the big villain. Vulture is someone who he snags and is noticed that way and his fame begins

[Artistsean]

As I mentioned before, I think what they should do is use villains they haven't before
bad guys like:
Mysterio, Electro, Scorpion, Kraven, or the Lizard,

Also, I think they should go the Spectacular Spider-Man rout (or the Incredible Hulk rout) and start the movie having Peter already as Spider-Man. (He already was bitten, Uncle Ben already died, and he has the costume, and has been Spider-Man, and he already takes photos for the paper.)
This way, having him already being Spider-Man when the movie starts and using a different bad guy (like Electro)
Even with the changes, like Peter being back in High School and Harry returned to life, Gwen there, and all that, it would still seem more like a Incredible Hulk styled reboot (sequal sort of) film. Instead of a straight on reboot/retelling like the Punisher.

[some guy]

Not too crazy about a reboot, but if they must, go the Batman Begins route and go with an unused villain. No Goblin, Ock or Sandman for a while. Definitely no Venom, he has his own movie. No Norman and Harry either, Pete doesn't meet them til college in the comics anyway.

If they want to do it like the comics, the first 2 super villains he fought were Chameleon and Vulture, so they could pick from those two (preferably only one of them). Kraven, maybe once Spidey's fully established as a hero, then the Hunter would want to take him down. The Lizard, maybe establish Connors for a film or two first, but can be part of the Kraven story as previous Spidey 4 rumors had it.

I agree with the previous poster, start the movie with Parker already as Spidey. How much different can you tell the same origin?

[Micah12345]

Mysterio or Kraven+Lizard could make the most interesting stories right now.

Although having kingpin and some lesser villains could be very interesting as well.

[spider-neil]

having a dark and gritty movie is going to be a weird juxtaposition with a high school setting

[Rodrigo90]

Most IMPORTANT rule...

DO NOT KILL THE VILLAINS UNLESS THEY ARE TOTALLY 100% FINISHED AND NO LONGER NEEDED. DONT KILL THEM JUST AFTER 1 MOVIE.

[Rodrigo90]

Rykers Island can be used.

[Nathan]

One of these days I'd like to see the Sinister 6 on screen. It would suck if someone like Doc Ock kicks the bucket againt after 1 Movie. Just do it like Spectacular Spider-Man and have someone like Norman Osborn build the Vault.

[Rodrigo90]

One of these days I'd like to see the Sinister 6 on screen. It would suck if someone like Doc Ock kicks the bucket againt after 1 Movie. Just do it like Spectacular Spider-Man and have someone like Norman Osborn build the Vault.

I do hope so. Cause almost every villain died after turning good again in some way. DO NOT WANT.

[SpideyTheBest]

Nevermind.

[sdc10]

I do hope so. Cause almost every villain died after turning good again in some way. DO NOT WANT.

Yes, def one of the problems with the movies and with some superhero movies in general. For some reason they love to kill off the villain at the end of the movie, god forbid we see them on screen again. It makes the movies too formulaic in my opinion.

[spider-neil]

water under the bridge now with the reboot but doc ock was only seen floating away he doesn't/didn't have to be dead.

[Spider-Kurt!]

Most IMPORTANT rule...

DO NOT KILL THE VILLAINS UNLESS THEY ARE TOTALLY 100% FINISHED AND NO LONGER NEEDED. DONT KILL THEM JUST AFTER 1 MOVIE.
Agreed! The Green Goblin is about the only Spider-Man villian that I can think of that's likely to appear in a movie who's death would make sense in most instances.Maybe the Burgler who killed Uncle Ben but I think this time they'll just send him off to prison. I don't think they'd have Kraven commit suicide or repeat Harry Osborn's death.

The only major/supporting character deaths I would predict in this new series would be...

Uncle Ben
Green Goblin/Norman Osborn
Gwen Stacy
(possibly) Aunt May

[Rodrigo90]

Heres an idea. Build a subplot around Harry,which concerns about him feeling alone and afraid for Norman,as he is working too hard on a new project and if things go wrong, Oscorp will fail.

In truth. Oscorp has been working on several weapons and a performance enhancer drug, to be mass-produced for the US Military. However, Norman has struck a deal with a mysterious organization to bail the company out of inevitable bankruptcy,and if he tries to back out the deal,they will kill his wife and Harry.

Dr Stromm and Dr Toomes are also in on the deal. They are both the head overseers of the project,but have also been designing the costumes that organization asked for,hideous and grotesque monsters,as well as several theatrical,but deadly weapons.

The performance enhancer drug is not yet finished and needs more serums. Have Lizard and Kraven in this and at the end leave it at a cliffhanger. The Oscorp scientists manage to obtain a small sample of Kraven's potion,that enhanced his strength speed and agility...

[QWoods]

Mysterio!!! or Electro

[Goran]

I think Electro would be a "cool" villain to use in a high school themed spider-man movie. He could be that young too and also attend high school.

[Venom 1988]

I wouldn't want Electro to be in school with Peter (ala MTV Spidey).

[Spider-Kurt!]

I wouldn't want Electro to be in school with Peter (ala MTV Spidey).
I'd rather not either but something tells me this would be the direction Sony would go with. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a romantic rival of Peter Parker's in trying to win over Gwen Stacy.

[Nathan]

Ok, enough with giving Sony crazy ideas.

[Vaportrail]

I seriously want them to do the "Torment" storyline, but maybe have Kraven in there also.

[Hannibal Smith]

These should play the lead Male Villains through the new series.

Norman Osbourne.

Jeremy Irons
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s60/BloodyBarbossa/jeremyironsascorsair.png

OR

Hugo Weaving.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s60/BloodyBarbossa/799b2c88.jpg


Dr Conners.

Sam Neil.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s60/BloodyBarbossa/SamNeil_0--1.png



Or.


Alan Rickman.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s60/BloodyBarbossa/04007376a.jpg

Dr Ock.

Nick Cage.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s60/BloodyBarbossa/cage.jpg

Or.

Cirian Hinds.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s60/BloodyBarbossa/actor_ciaranhinds.jpg

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Dr Ock.

Nick Cage.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s60/BloodyBarbossa/cage.jpg


No, seriously.

[Goran]

These should play the lead Male Villains through the new series.
Dr Ock.

Nick Cage.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s60/BloodyBarbossa/cage.jpg


I don't want to see Nick Cage anywhere near these films!
He's a doom to every franchise/movie...

[GoldGoblin]

^
He's not a good actor.

[SpeterMan3]

No particular villain. Tinkerer is in the background, creating crazy suits and whatnot for street thugs. He doesn't get found out. Spidey takes out all the thugs eventually and the movie ends with the creation of the first actual villain. Vulture, Electro, whoever. Someone mechanical. Actually, I always thought Tinkerer should eventually become Vulture, but that could just be me.

[Deaths Head II]

I like the suggestion of Sam Neil as Dr. Connors and Hugo Weaving as Norman Osbourne, but hell no to Nick Cage.

[LightningFlash]

Sam Neil as Dr. Connors is something I could get along with. It might bring in some references from his Jurassic Park days too, lol.

One thing I will miss is Dafoe though.

[sdc10]

Sam Neil as Dr. Connors is something I could get along with. It might bring in some references from his Jurassic Park days too, lol.

One thing I will miss is Dafoe though.

Dafoe did a really good job, hopefully when we see the goblin this time around we will get a more traditional looking suit, a better reason for the suit (why would the army make a helmet like that!?) and hopefully not have him portrayed as a guy with multiple personalities. Norman is the Goblin, the Goblin is Norman.

[Mistah K88]

Dafoe did a really good job, hopefully when we see the goblin this time around we will get a more traditional looking suit, a better reason for the suit (why would the army make a helmet like that!?) and hopefully not have him portrayed as a guy with multiple personalities. Norman is the Goblin, the Goblin is Norman.

Agreed, I had an arguement with someone about the Goblin suit where they were saying the traditional suit wouldn't translate well to film. When I stated that Spidey's did the point that the Goblin's suit was made for military use not to be theatrical came up...where that is a good point, the helmet throws ALL of that logic out of the window. Hopefully they go for a more traditional looking suit this time around. If you think it will look stupid, that's kind of the point of Gobby's costume. I don't care for the split personalities thing created by the 90's cartoon now that I have somewhat a better grasp on his character. Norman should be crazy, but it shouldn't be spelled out for the audience (especially since dressing up as a goblin and doing various crimes screams sanity right?).

[Dangerous]

The poll options here are crap.

I'd like to see Kraven as the main bad guy, that would be nice.

Perhaps Mysterio as a second tier bad guy.

[[A]]

^ so basically you vote option #3.

[ModestMr.Green]

Rhino for the opening credits. For the first quarter to half, Mysterio would be a good villain. Maybe Spider-Man won't have any reputation to ruin yet, but that doesn't mean he can't give Spidey a bad reputation from the start of his rise to fame. Meanwhile, Jameson's spider hate builds up, leading him to commission the creation of Scorpion, who takes up the second half hunting him down.

[LightningFlash]

Woah, woah, did we not learn anything from Spider-Man 3?

Three villains = too much.

[ModestMr.Green]

Well, someone or something minor for the opening credits. I suppose another random crime break-up montage like that from the first Raimi Spider-Man would work. Just a little fluff to show him in action.

[S_H_F_4839]

Three can work if properly executed, but they have to complement each other, not just be three random villain attacks then we get into spidey three territory, for example I could go for a lizard and kraven and mob angle, where the mob kidnap connors upon learning about his advancements in human regeneration and force him to move to faster than he should which results in the miscalculation that causes the creation of the lizard, and word reaches kraven the hunter of the spiderman and he comes originally with the intention of hunting spidey until he interrupts one of spidermans battles with the lizard which shows him there are more deserving prey to be hunted.

[GoldGoblin]

Opening is at the port where you see a shipment of drugs being delivered from a giant ship.Spidey shows up and fights off all the thugs pretty quickly while dishing out quips just as fast.

Then the next scene is of a view of a newspaper with a pair of hands reading it.Then the person holding the paper slams it on his desk and slams his fists on top of it repeatedly.Then the camera zooms out where we see a mob boss yelling at his men.

Yelling that this isn't the first time where spidey has shown up and screwed up everything.That spidey is costing him millions,that people don't want to do business with him anymore cause of him.

So the mob boss has a scientist perfom experimental procedures on his thugs,trying to create supervillains who go out in the city and distract spidey while the mob boss can continue to do business successfully.

We could get Electro this way,and maybe the expeimental machine is destroyed after creating Electro,so that when spidey defeats Electro the mob boss can't create another supervillain.

So the mob boss breaks into Oscorp and steals some tech to create another villain to go up against spidey.It could be Hobgoblin.

Then when spidey defeats this villain,the mob boss hires the Chameleon to frame spidey for crimes,so that spidey is wanted by the police.

[Jostru]

Woah, woah, did we not learn anything from Spider-Man 3?

Three villains = too much.

Not necessarily... If you handle them correctly, then you can get a brilliant movie.

[Nathan]

It all comes down to a good director and script. Seriously, look at TDK. We had Scarecrow, Joker, Two Face and Mob bosses and the movie didn't feel like a jumbled mess.

[sdc10]

It all comes down to a good director and script. Seriously, look at TDK. We had Scarecrow, Joker, Two Face and Mob bosses and the movie didn't feel like a jumbled mess.

Thats kind of a poor example seeing as the Joker was the only one of those characters that we saw throughout the entire movie.

[Jick09]

The problem wasn't too many villains, was the unnecessary soap opera, dancing and cooking moments, which could've been spent developing the villains and the Black Spidey.

Three villains could've been done.

[Artistsean]

The problem was also the way they fit all the characters stories together, look at the first two Batman movies.
They introduced Ras, Bruce, Alfred, the lawyer girlfriend whose name escapes me, Scarecrow, Gordon, and the Mob Boss, all one the first movie.
They had Bruce, Alfred, the girlfriend, Gordon, Dent, and Joker, in the second.
Lots of characters, all worked together nicely.
Originally Raimi wanted Vulture instead of Venom (or so the rumor says) and they would have escaped together and Sandman would have been the unwilling muscle to the Vulture's brain, so the story would have worked better (somewhat).
So its possible to do that many characters and have it work, if the script and the character's stories fit together better than Spider-man 3 had them fit. In my opinion.

[TheScarecrow]

Thats kind of a poor example seeing as the Joker was the only one of those characters that we saw throughout the entire movie.

And in Spider-man 3, Sandman was the only one we saw throughout the entire movie.

Batman Begins also had Ra's Al Ghul, Decoy Ra's, Scarecrow and Falcone.

[Gamma Goliath]

i always it would be interesting to see norman make an actual transformation (via goblin sirum) when he became the goblin. i always wanted to see his skin become very vascular with a slight olive green tint, so he wouldnt have to actually wear a costume and it would give him a creepy/ill type appearance. his body would become muscular, but, it would sickly twisted and unproportional. his teeth could sharpen out, and his should make some sort of change.
and hugo weaving would be an exellent norman osborn!

[S_H_F_4839]

I agree that weaving would make a kickass norman osborn, was pulling for him back when the first spidey movie came out. I think if they played up the businessman side of osborn during the first movie and maybe let him become the goblin in the second one would be the way to go if they are going to use the goblin again. I also like the idea of a physical transformation as long as its not too drastic, example compare norman osborn in the ultimate spidey comics to his goblin persona that is a little too drastic imo.

[Gamma Goliath]

no nothing big or any thing, think of it like the vampire/lychan hybrid guy from underworld

[QWoods]

chris meloni for norman osborne

[david icke]

And in Spider-man 3, Sandman was the only one we saw throughout the entire movie.

Batman Begins also had Ra's Al Ghul, Decoy Ra's, Scarecrow and Falcone.

Batman Begins also had Victor Zsasz, in a similar camoe role as Scarecrow had in TDK.

and even if Two-Face did not show up until the end, Harvey Dent and TF's genesis was as much a part of the movie as the Joker. Same as Brock's turn into Venom, although of course, nowhere near as developed as Dent's dark side turn.

Multiple villans can be handled by a good script writer. They did alright in SM3, considering what they had to jam in without much notice, Venom bringing the baggage of the whole black suit symbiote saga. He will doubtless get his own movie in this new re-boot, I'm guessing with movie 2, once they are past the origin.

edit: I haven't seen how they handled it in SSM, but they could well go with the John Jameson/space shuttle crash of the 90s cartoon for the re-boot.

[Rodrigo90]

The beginning quickly sets up the issues that develops. Peter at School days after Uncle Bens funereal. Getting a girlfriend (Gwen),helping Aunt May and Harry. Peter becomes close to Dr Connors after he discovers that he is Spider-Man (finding Peter creating a Web-Cartdridge). Show him dealing with those and being Spider-Man.

Then BOOM! Dr Connors becomes the cold-blooded Lizard and goes on a cannabalistic rampage throughout the city. The City officials call in the brilliant (but seriously psychotic) Kraven The Hunter to deal with the situation,as they realise that a man of great experience is needed. After setting up a trap at the Central Park Zoo,Kraven and The Lizard do battle,but Spider-Man intervenes and Lizard escapes. Kraven vows to have both their head as trophies. The City then believe that Spider-Man is helping the monster and turn against him.

Kraven then begins too hunt them both and soon discovers who Spider-Man is,as he slowly loses his sanity.

Oscorp then obtain a sample of Kravens potion.

[spider-neil]

Woah, woah, did we not learn anything from Spider-Man 3?

Three villains = too much.


I wish people would frigging stop brining up TDK with regards to 3 villians

scarecrow - is on for literally MINUTES
2 face - doesn't show up till the 3rd act
joker

how the **** is that three villians?! at best its 1.5

[david icke]

Whoa whoa did we not learn anything from Spider-man 3?

Three villans= too muchI wish people would frigging stop brining up TDK with regards to 3 villians

scarecrow - is on for literally MINUTES
2 face - doesn't show up till the 3rd act
joker

how the **** is that three villians?! at best its 1.5

By that criteria Venom only shows up for the last act too, but folk always go on about 3 villans in SM3.
I think the reason they are counted is that both Dent and Brock are present throughout the movie, and their actions directly lead to them becoming that villan, the movie deals with their origin.

Anyway, it's not Scarecrow who was the thrid villan in TDK, it was Maroni, he gets a fair amount of screen time dedicated to himself and his actions. He would be the equivalent to the Kingpin in a Spidey movie if he employed supervillans. edit: Proving it can be done very well, all of them being interconnected into the story and balancing each other out.

Scarecrow in TDK and Zsasz in BB are both cameos.

[Fanged-Hunter]

If a good writer could pull it off (that's a big if, because this would be damn near impossible in movie format), have 2 villains per film for the trilogy.

Have a fourth film with all the villains...Sinister Six.

But yeah...good luck fitting all that into a film ;)