Spider-Man Reboot Costume

[batboy99]

It would be interesting for a change of the costume. If they alter it, don't let it be some big extravagant change
Exactly.
They could change the eyes, modify the spider emblem on the chest and back, maybe get away from the "scaly" look of the previous costume. But the overall look should be the same.Yeah, those are some thoughts. Id like to see some more circular eyes, but I thought the spider emblems were great. And I love the texture on the suit.

Why try to top it, it's the original classic suit? I say shrink the damn thing and put it on the next actor.
Lol I hear ya!

[SpeterMan3]

about the only thing that looks different in that manip is the shape of the eyes. cool manip White Knight!
The spider looks rounded too.

[Chris Wallace]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1447/spidey006best.png (http://img144.imageshack.us/i/spidey006best.png/)
I made this manip and I got to say that I would love it if the suit would look something like this. I think it would look good on screen, and this type of eyes would actually work...A little too rounded, I think. I don't wanna be reminded of Hammond's eyes.

[spider-neil]

:yay:http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1447/spidey006best.png (http://img144.imageshack.us/i/spidey006best.png/)
I made this manip and I got to say that I would love it if the suit would look something like this. I think it would look good on screen, and this type of eyes would actually work...


cool but I really would like to see spidey with BLACK webs :yay:

[LegendaryCaleb]

i agree....black webs....

[GreySpider]

This is by far the best conversation on this subject on the web. Since I recently drew my idea of what it could look like, I thought I'd join in:
http://danielheard.squarespace.com/storage/thumbnails/2453635-5968092-thumbnail.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=126750083 6998
It's meant to look like something that 16 year old Peter Parker could buy at his local sporting goods store using his $500 winnings from wrestling, and modify with his Uncle Ben's Hobby bench in garage.
This is how I put it together:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4432960969_82b277e4a8_o.jpg

-Spyder Racing Ski Suit
-Fiberglass Goalie Mask
-511 BackPack
-Spyder Racing Goggles
-Tac Gloves
-Super Sculpey
-Sanding Block
-Primer
-Red Spray Enamel
-Black Enamel Hobby Paint
(Not pictured is the old Dremel and Superglue Peter found in the workbench)


Daniel Heard (http://danielheard.squarespace.com)
I say krrp the idea, but make it look more like the original spidey. Actual mask over the hockey one, a belt of some sort, and red boots.

[Aquaman Forever]

http://danielheard.squarespace.com/storage/thumbnails/2453635-5968092-thumbnail.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=126750083 6998

i don't like how you can see his eyes. everything else is pretty cool. very unique Spider-Man suit. o_O

[Chris Wallace]

There comes a point where you simply no longer have a Spider-Man costume. Acheson did not cross that line, he didn't even touch it. If anything what we got was a more "Hollywood" version; enhanced for theatricality but still keeping with the basic design. I don't see the need to radically alter it to the point where that design has been abandoned, nor would I want the suit to look cheaper for the sake of "realism". It's simply not necessary.
Then again, neither is the reboot as a whole but what can you do?

[Ajendo]

http://danielheard.squarespace.com/storage/thumbnails/2453635-5968092-thumbnail.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=126750083 6998

i don't like how you can see his eyes. everything else is pretty cool. very unique Spider-Man suit. o_O

I have no idea why some of the things being talked about are even being discussed. This costume right here is not spider-man. This whole realistic, cheap crap needs to stop immediately because one, it's not going to happen and two, it'll look pathetic. As others have sound-mindedly said, Acheson's costume was perfect. It retained the basic and general design of the classic costume and the these new movies shouldn't be any different. Subtle changes to the costume like, the spiders and the eyes are the only things that should differ to an extent, otherwise keep it exactly looking the way it should.
Honestly, look what we got with the GG in the first movie and to this day, many people are still crying foul, now imagine some of the lame ideas and proposals being thrown around here for spidey himself. Kmt!

[RetroNaz]

Some of these costumes would make a good "first" costume.

But I just want the SM 1 - 3 suit with a couple of minor changes. No need to fix what aint broke.

[White_Knight191]

That is awesome! Do you havw the original pic?
Yes I do here you go: http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/8260/2004spiderman2032.jpg (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/2004spiderman2032.jpg/)
And yes I rounded the spider a little bit. Btw thx for the reps guys!

[Gamma Goliath]

I want a classic spidey suit, that will look respectfully different than the raimi version.

[Aquaman Forever]

I have no idea why some of the things being talked about are even being discussed. This costume right here is not spider-man.

it is recognizible as Spider-Man soooo...... it's like whatever.

This whole realistic, cheap crap needs to stop immediately because one, it's not going to happen and two, it'll look pathetic

first off.... what are you even talking about?

things change even in the comics. things change in the movies. like I said if it's recognizible as spidey..... if it's a fun movie..... where is the room to complain? there isn't except for those who are ANAL.

[The BatDude]

They should go for something like this

http://www.fallingpixel.com/products/11247/mains/000-3d-model-Spiderman_01off.jpghttp://www.exchange3d.com/cubecart/images/uploads/aff1479/Spiderman%20pix///Spiderman_01off.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/917/917260/spider-man-web-of-shadows-20081007053813419_640w.jpg

I personally would love to see the big ol' eyed Spidey mask, much like what David lafuente drawing right now and while we're at it... throw in some web pits for ****z and gigz.

[XxDelta09xX]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/1447/spidey006best.png (http://img144.imageshack.us/i/spidey006best.png/)
I made this manip and I got to say that I would love it if the suit would look something like this. I think it would look good on screen, and this type of eyes would actually work...

That's Awesome love the eyes It would be even better if you changed the webbing.:woot:

[Chris Wallace]

I have no idea why some of the things being talked about are even being discussed. This costume right here is not spider-man. This whole realistic, cheap crap needs to stop immediately because one, it's not going to happen and two, it'll look pathetic. As others have sound-mindedly said, Acheson's costume was perfect. It retained the basic and general design of the classic costume and the these new movies shouldn't be any different. Subtle changes to the costume like, the spiders and the eyes are the only things that should differ to an extent, otherwise keep it exactly looking the way it should.
Honestly, look what we got with the GG in the first movie and to this day, many people are still crying foul, now imagine some of the lame ideas and proposals being thrown around here for spidey himself. Kmt!

Qft. I don't see why so many are getting behind a design that is so far removed from Spidey's classic look.

[Nathan]

I respect the work that went into that design, but it's definitely not something I want to see on screen. The costume we got in Raimi's Movies was as good as perfect. For the reboot it only needs to get tweaked. Maybe revamped Spider symbols, have the raised webbing less pronounced, but still enough to give the costume some depth. Oh, and finally make the webbing black. Change the eyes up a bit, and itensify the colors.

[Ajendo]

first off.... what are you even talking about?

things change even in the comics. things change in the movies. like I said if it's recognizible as spidey..... if it's a fun movie..... where is the room to complain? there isn't except for those who are ANAL.

Yeah, things change in the comics but these are movies based on what's core in the comics and that silly costume may look fun and resemble spider-man but at the end of the day, that is NOT spider-man's costume and I fail to see how wanting the classic design as opposed to that crap is being anal.

[OctaviusINC]

that silly costume may look fun and resemble spider-man but at the end of the day, that is NOT spider-man's costume and I fail to see how wanting the classic design as opposed to that crap is being anal.

Don't mean to butt in here, and I have nothing against your opinion, but a fellow hypster thought outside the box and drew that concept and decided to share it with us. He obviously has artistic talent. Don't call it "crap". If you don't like it, whatever, but it's NOT official. No need to get your panties in a bunch over something we won't even see. He took time out of his day and did some actual original work. Personally I think it's great. Nothing I'd like to see in the new movie, but I find it awesome design wise. A cool new take.

It just upsets me how some hypsters copy and paste a few old spidey pictures, add some filters, and people praise it to high heaven. Yet someone actually creates something truly original and it's passed up or pooped on.

Nothing personal here, Ajendo. I'm just sayin'.

[Chris Wallace]

I don't find it aesthetically pleasing. At all. I respect the effort that went into it but I simply don't like it.

[OctaviusINC]

And that's fine.

I see it as an alternate Spider-man. Like for an "elseworlds" comic (DC I know).

I wouldn't want it for a film, but I find it refreshing in that sense.

[Chris Wallace]

I could probably dig it in that sense. That's what it really looks like to me-like that "manga" story with the Spider-Ninja clan.
But I was thinking; Spider-Man is the ONLY Marvel hero who crossed over to the "Ultimate: universe with his costume intact. Not modified or re-styled for the sake of "realism" or "modernizing". Some classics truly never do go out of style.

[Aquaman Forever]

I like it. it's recognizable as Spidey, and I like it. no amount of trying to convince me it's not spider-man is going to do anything.

[Chris Wallace]

Nobody's telling you not to like it, they're simply voicing their opinions. To each his own. But I want more than just "recognizable" as Spidey. I want it to be distinctively Spider-Man. Hell, the "Unlimited" suit is recognizable as Spider-Man. As is the Stark armor, the Japanese TV version & Nicholas Hammond's suit. I don't like any of those either. And over the years I've grown less & less fond of the black & white suit, too. I don't feel like Spider-Man's look should be tampered with beyond the minor cosmetic changes that Acheson implemented.

[Aquaman Forever]

tampering is ok with me as long as the results are positive.

[Ajendo]

Don't get me wrong. I can appreciate the effort and a more thought out original alternative design but I just don't like it as a primary costume for perhaps the most popular superhero out there. Looking like spider-man isn't enough for me, it needs to be spider-man not resemble him and in a major motion picture, I'd expect to see spidey wearing his traditional classic design.

[mre]

All I want for the new costume is for it to not look like a shrivelled up raisin when not being worn.

[Spider-Bat]

http://sfstory.free.fr/images/Spiderman/spiderman1024.jpg

I'm assuming they will ditch the red and blue and create a darker Spiderman like Alex Ross' design, black and red with black lenses (sans web shooters).


They also need to address the origin of the costume in the reboot: is Parker's silk is involved in its production, and who is his taylor?I always loved this design from Alex Ross.

I say, have the webbing printed black, not raised, and I didn't like how it looked white.

Maybe a rounder type of eye. And give him the mech. web shooters this time.

[©KAW]

Always hated that Alex Ross design, it makes Spidey look like he should be called Alien-Man (with the all black eyes). There's something about messing with Spider-Man's classic suit, when you do, it just looks wrong. Except the original black alien costume, it was the only suit I could accept as another totally different Spider-Man costume, within the time-frame of the Venom-Saga or for a short period of time. They've gotta go classic.

I say a big "NO" to Alex Ross's costume design.

[Ajendo]

the black costume and ben's spidey costume are the only 2 alternatives I could ever accept.

[GreySpider]

At the end of the day, what we will get is Sm 1-3 with slight retools. No way in hell is sony gonna make any radical changes. I would like sumthing with no raised webs and round eyes, but it ain't gonna happen.

[Chris Wallace]

All I want for the new costume is for it to not look like a shrivelled up raisin when not being worn.

I can think of a dozen concerns and/or preferences that I have & that wouldn't make the list.

[Ajendo]

At the end of the day, what we will get is Sm 1-3 with slight retools. No way in hell is sony gonna make any radical changes. I would like sumthing with no raised webs and round eyes, but it ain't gonna happen.

I hope not. SM1 to 3 were so under whelming. If it's going to just be redoing what we've seen before, then what's the point? A new vision and new direction, especially is meant to mean something and I hope to God, Webb stays clear of anything Raimi did. No all about 1 girl crap and no sympathetic villains. No down and depressed Parker. Look to the hot damn source material and utilise what's already there. The studio need to remember that, it's because of the source material that these movies are being made in the first place.

[SpeterMan3]

Pretty sure he's talking about the suit.

[Ajendo]

Looool! I need sleep.

[Chris Wallace]

With respect to Doc Ock's similar post on the Batman thread-
There seem to be 4 basic schools of thought on this (most costume threads have 2 or 3):
1. The Raimi/Acheson design was perfect/near perfect & they should stick to that/something similar.
2. The Raimi/Acheson design was a good starting point, but they need to move it closer to the comics/remove the tweaks such as raised webbing, textured fabric & the modified back emblem.
3. The Raimi/Acheson design was a little too professional. They need to come up with something a little more "ameteurish"-more plausibly designed by a 15-year-old with no money.
4. We don't want to be reminded of the Raimi films in any way & they should do something new & fresh.
I tend to side moreso with group 1 myself. I do think the design was perfect & see no need for a radical revamp. While I sympathize to a certain extent with group 2, the aesthetic deviations between this
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj233/cwarskittley/spider-man.jpg
and this
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp132/silentshout/spider-man.jpg
are minute. And unlike some movie revamps, the changes were made not for the sake of realism, subtlety or to create the illusion of protection, but simply for the sake of being stylish. I can live with that. I like the costume. It looks cool. More importantly it looks like a Spider-Man costume. I feel like I'm looking at Spider-Man when I see it. And at the end of the day, that to me is the most important thing.
Group 3 I can't support, because Spider-Man's costume never has looked like an unskilled teenager made it and it never will. Any more than Daredevil's costume looks like a blind man put it together. We suspend disbelief on that, the same way we suspend disbelief that being injected with irradiated venom can give someone arachnid-like abilities or that he can make an effective weapon out of what is basically glorified silly string. Many of the same supporters of the "more realistic" costume idea are also pushing for mechanical webshooters, which just makes no sense to me.
To group 4 I say this; I simply haven't liked any of the proposed designs that I've seen, as to me they simply do not look like Spider-Man. Changing something for the sake of making it better is one thing. Changing it for the sake of making it different is another. Different is NOT always better.

[SpeterMan3]

100% agreed.

[mre]

I can think of a dozen concerns and/or preferences that I have & that wouldn't make the list.

The only thing I can nitpick about the costumes we got in the three movies are: while I like how small the eyes are, they are too triangular (straight lines, and sharp angles). The other is that when the costume wasn't being worn, it looked weird. It's because of the raised webbing. The costume on it's own in the movies looked really weird.

[ravn0s]

i love how people say the costume needs to look more amateurish when the costume in the comic looks far more professional than amateurish.

[Astro13Zombie]

What if aunt may taught peter how to sew?! huh?!
All old ladies know how to sew....and if you're 15...and live with them...they will force you to learn!


I know this from experience:csad:




heh

[©KAW]

That's funny, get Aunt May to sew it and tell her it's for a costume party.

[OctaviusINC]

Or go the Kick-Ass route: eBay.

[Chris Wallace]

i love how people say the costume needs to look more amateurish when the costume in the comic looks far more professional than amateurish.

That's what I've been saying. Spider-Man has, in my opinion, THE absolute best costume of any superhero in print, despite the implausible circumstances of its creation. So why do we want to now make it plausible?

[Spider-ManHero12]

That's what I've been saying. Spider-Man has, in my opinion, THE absolute best costume of any superhero in print, despite the implausible circumstances of its creation. So why do we want to now make it plausible? This. :up:

[Ajendo]

With respect to Doc Ock's similar post on the Batman thread-
There seem to be 4 basic schools of thought on this (most costume threads have 2 or 3):
1. The Raimi/Acheson design was perfect/near perfect & they should stick to that/something similar.
2. The Raimi/Acheson design was a good starting point, but they need to move it closer to the comics/remove the tweaks such as raised webbing, textured fabric & the modified back emblem.
3. The Raimi/Acheson design was a little too professional. They need to come up with something a little more "ameteurish"-more plausibly designed by a 15-year-old with no money.
4. We don't want to be reminded of the Raimi films in any way & they should do something new & fresh.
I tend to side moreso with group 1 myself. I do think the design was perfect & see no need for a radical revamp. While I sympathize to a certain extent with group 2, the aesthetic deviations between this
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj233/cwarskittley/spider-man.jpg
and this
http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp132/silentshout/spider-man.jpg
are minute. And unlike some movie revamps, the changes were made not for the sake of realism, subtlety or to create the illusion of protection, but simply for the sake of being stylish. I can live with that. I like the costume. It looks cool. More importantly it looks like a Spider-Man costume. I feel like I'm looking at Spider-Man when I see it. And at the end of the day, that to me is the most important thing.
Group 3 I can't support, because Spider-Man's costume never has looked like an unskilled teenager made it and it never will. Any more than Daredevil's costume looks like a blind man put it together. We suspend disbelief on that, the same way we suspend disbelief that being injected with irradiated venom can give someone arachnid-like abilities or that he can make an effective weapon out of what is basically glorified silly string. Many of the same supporters of the "more realistic" costume idea are also pushing for mechanical webshooters, which just makes no sense to me.
To group 4 I say this; I simply haven't liked any of the proposed designs that I've seen, as to me they simply do not look like Spider-Man. Changing something for the sake of making it better is one thing. Changing it for the sake of making it different is another. Different is NOT always better.

http://static.bf2s.com/files/user/31122/Thats%20a%20Bingo.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

The only thing I can nitpick about the costumes we got in the three movies are: while I like how small the eyes are, they are too triangular (straight lines, and sharp angles). The other is that when the costume wasn't being worn, it looked weird. It's because of the raised webbing. The costume on it's own in the movies looked really weird.

Can't say I ever cared about how it or any other costume looks when it's not being worn.

[Paste Pot Pete]

This is really indicative of the kind of problems I'd imagine you'd run into while rebooting this series.

There are things that Raimi did that could arguably be improved upon/done closer to the comic, i.e. webshooters.

But there are other things, such as the costume, that Raimi nailed so perfectly. For these things, you really only have two options:

1.) Keep it the same, or relatively the same (and risk it being too reminiscent of the previous films)

2.) Or change it completely, simply for the sake of being different it (and thus pushing it away from the source material)

It would be ironic if we saw a reboot that saw a comic-accurate Green Goblin fighting a "Power Ranger" Spidey. Heh. :woot:

[RetroNaz]

TDK was a decent flick, and his costume looks hardly anything like the comic counter part.

[Chris Wallace]

And if you take a gander at the Bat-boards, the fans are NOT happy about it.

[RetroNaz]

I was. And so were the other people that generated nearly 1 billion dollars at the box office world wide...

[Chris Wallace]

Doesn't mean nobody cares about costumes. And in any event, that's completely irrelevant. Big screen Batman came out of the gate 21 years ago in a barely comic-accurate costume. Big screen Spidey came out the gate 8 years ago in a costume that was pretty much dead-on with some minor changes. One has nothing to do with the other.

[RetroNaz]

I only threw it out to prove a point. And it's relevant to that point.

[Chris Wallace]

You haven't proven anything. TDK made money on the strength of its story & Ledger's performance. Most agree the Batsuit left much to be desired. So can we get back on topic instead of starting another Spider-Man vs. Batman debate?

[RetroNaz]

You haven't proven anything. TDK made money on the strength of its story & Ledger's performance. Most agree the Batsuit left much to be desired. So can we get back on topic instead of starting another Spider-Man vs. Batman debate?

I'm not debating the merits of Batman over Spiderman.

I'm simply saying that the suit isn't the be all, end all of this film.

And you have proven that by pointing out exactly what I was saying. And when you say "most" agree, you mean the people that visit an internet forum about super heroes. Not the general public.

Face it, we are a minority here.

But I'm happy to get back to listening to you shoot down everyone's original costume ideas they post on here.

[Ajendo]

I was. And so were the other people that generated nearly 1 billion dollars at the box office world wide...

But batman's costume is a very different animal compared to spidey's. Spidey's costume has a distinct look and a distinct design. Batman's costume just needs to look like it's a batman costume and it works; providing there aren't any bat-nips.

[Nathan]

What's the fuzz about? We've seen that Spider-Man's classic costume can look great on screen. While it's nice to see some new design sketches and appreciate the effort that went into them, there's really no point in trying to reinvent the wheel in a Spider-Man Movie and completely change the design. Tweaking it is fine.

[Ajendo]

Exactly! Trying to change the cotume to differentiate it from Raimi's movies is stupid. Raimi and Webb were/are involved in making SPIDER-MAN movies. Spider-Man's costume is what it is. Tweak it here and there but the basic look and design must be kept as a constant. If anything needs tweaking, make the eyes slightly bigger and more rounded and make the web patterns on the costume more black.

The real change to differentiate Webb's movies from Raimi's doesn't lie with the costume anyway, it's the story, characters and action. I want to see spider-man being and doing spider-man stuff I've been watching him do for God knows how many years.

[Chris Wallace]

I'm not debating the merits of Batman over Spiderman.

I'm simply saying that the suit isn't the be all, end all of this film.

And you have proven that by pointing out exactly what I was saying. And when you say "most" agree, you mean the people that visit an internet forum about super heroes. Not the general public.

Face it, we are a minority here.

But I'm happy to get back to listening to you shoot down everyone's original costume ideas they post on here.
This is a costume thread. That's what it's about. We're not here to debate the merits of story, direction & characterization. There are other threads for that.
And I don't shoot down ideas for the sake of shooting them down, either. But if I see something I don't like i'm gonna say so. Hell, I thought Alex Ross made a HORRIBLE suggestion with that black-eyed monstrosity and he's a professional.

[RetroNaz]

But batman's costume is a very different animal compared to spidey's. Spidey's costume has a distinct look and a distinct design. Batman's costume just needs to look like it's a batman costume and it works; providing there aren't any bat-nips.

Unfortunately, Spiderman's costume can be whatever the movie people want it to look like.

[RetroNaz]

Exactly! Trying to change the cotume to differentiate it from Raimi's movies is stupid. Raimi and Webb were/are involved in making SPIDER-MAN movies. Spider-Man's costume is what it is. Tweak it here and there but the basic look and design must be kept as a constant. If anything needs tweaking, make the eyes slightly bigger and more rounded and make the web patterns on the costume more black.

The real change to differentiate Webb's movies from Raimi's doesn't lie with the costume anyway, it's the story, characters and action. I want to see spider-man being and doing spider-man stuff I've been watching him do for God knows how many years.

Agreed. But we'll most likely see a change in costume too.

[RetroNaz]

This is a costume thread. That's what it's about. We're not here to debate the merits of story, direction & characterization. There are other threads for that.
And I don't shoot down ideas for the sake of shooting them down, either. But if I see something I don't like i'm gonna say so. Hell, I thought Alex Ross made a HORRIBLE suggestion with that black-eyed monstrosity and he's a professional.

Debating merits of story and direction? Huh? Who is doing that?

[Ajendo]

Agreed. But we'll most likely see a change in costume too.

I want to see changes in the costume, just so long as the basic, classic design isn't altered, I'm good.

[david icke]

Always hated that Alex Ross design, it makes Spidey look like he should be called Alien-Man (with the all black eyes). There's something about messing with Spider-Man's classic suit, when you do, it just looks wrong. Except the original black alien costume, it was the only suit I could accept as another totally different Spider-Man costume, within the time-frame of the Venom-Saga or for a short period of time. They've gotta go classic.

I say a big "NO" to Alex Ross's costume design.

I would say about the only change in the Alex Ross design that looks alright is in fact the black lenses.
It's a subtle change.

There are far worse things wrong with the costume, the spider-insignia looks like the graphic on the doors of a gent's toilet, and the rest of the outfit is just a way of changing the classic just for the sake of changing it, not for the better at all.

edit: and as for the old balck suit..eh, I don't think it's that great tbh, it doesn't look very interesting as a drawing on paper, just a black blob with some flecks of blue. I'm glad they went the way they did with the black suit in SM3, more texture.

[Chris Wallace]

I would say about the only change in the Alex Ross design that looks alright is in fact the black lenses.
It's a subtle change.

There are far worse things wrong with the costume, the spider-insignia looks like the graphic on the doors of a gent's toilet, and the rest of the outfit is just a way of changing the classic just for the sake of changing it, not for the better at all.

edit: and as for the old black suit..eh, I don't think it's that great tbh, it doesn't look very interesting as a drawing on paper, just a black blob with some flecks of blue. I'm glad they went the way they did with the black suit in SM3, more texture.

I agree with you on everything except the black lenses. I hated them, too.

[david icke]

I agree with you on everything except the black lenses. I hated them, too.

Ach, I mean, in no way would I want them on the costume, but to me, they are the only feature that looks alright from a design pov, they are not an eyesore like the rest of the costume.

[©KAW]

I would say about the only change in the Alex Ross design that looks alright is in fact the black lenses.
It's a subtle change.

There are far worse things wrong with the costume, the spider-insignia looks like the graphic on the doors of a gent's toilet, and the rest of the outfit is just a way of changing the classic just for the sake of changing it, not for the better at all.

edit: and as for the old balck suit..eh, I don't think it's that great tbh, it doesn't look very interesting as a drawing on paper, just a black blob with some flecks of blue. I'm glad they went the way they did with the black suit in SM3, more texture.Nah, the black eyes look too alien. Spidey's WHITE eyes can't and shouldn't be tampered with.

True, there are equally bad design decisions in that costume, no two-tone (red/blue) pattern on his arms or chest area that forms his belt, this is what sets Spidey's suit apart from other comic book characters. It's a must.

Hated the movie version of the black alien costume, and those textures were just textures from the red/blue duds. Little effort went into creating something cool, yet totally different from the red/blue. They had it right at first and than screwed the pooch. :dry:http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss210/KAWpics/OriginalBlack.jpgThen again, they wouldn't have kept his mask on either way. And the fact that it didn't morph into street clothes, geez, how can anyone leave that cool motif out?

[Ajendo]

see lookin at that pic, it's easy to see where subtle changes can be made on the costume for Webb's movies and I have to say, making the eyes bigger, slightly more curvy and a slightly thicher black rim around the eye lens.

[SpeterMan3]

Are there two spiders on that suit?

[SpeterMan3]

Double

[david icke]

Are there two spiders on that suit?

No, they are holding an alternate design for the front, if you look closely they are sitting the design on front of the costume, the spider is on a plastic cover which attaches to the suit.

[david icke]

Nah, the black eyes look too alien. Spidey's WHITE eyes can't and shouldn't be tampered with.

They are not as good as the originals at all, I wasn't meaning that. What I meant was, from a strictly design pov, they mesh easily with the red and black mask, and do not stand out, unlike the somewhat 'blocky' re-design of teh rest of the outfit.
I disagree that they make him look 'alien', or make him look like he has eyes like those 'grey' aliens that kidnap people from Earth. I don't think they stand out as much as those grey guy's eyes do, those eyes are pretty big.


True, there are equally bad design decisions in that costume, no two-tone (red/blue) pattern on his arms or chest area that forms his belt, this is what sets Spidey's suit apart from other comic book characters. It's a must.

Hated the movie version of the black alien costume, and those textures were just textures from the red/blue duds. Little effort went into creating something cool, yet totally different from the red/blue. They had it right at first and than screwed the pooch. :dry:http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss210/KAWpics/OriginalBlack.jpgThen again, they wouldn't have kept his mask on either way. And the fact that it didn't morph into street clothes, geez, how can anyone leave that cool motif out?

I think it looks too bland all black, it just would not have looked any more interesting than any old black body suit. The texture in the SM3 version is much better, I just think it's way more interesting to look at, yes, it's not much different from the red and blue design, but it's still more ineteresting to look at than that one.
edit: I really like the raised webbing design for the classic outfit, and think that benefits the black outfit too. I love how good the mask looks when he lands in front of the bank to fight Sandman, just black with the white eyes...it would have just looked bland, just a black leotard with white spidey eyes, nothing going on.

I don't know about the morphing into street clothes, it could have looked a little hokey in live action, a little too much like 'The Mask' or something.

[Chris Wallace]

I used to love the black suit from the comics. I got bored with seeing it after a while. I think Raimi & Co. went the right route modeling it on the classic outfit (obviously their initial approach wasn't working; it kills me when naysayers act like he just abandoned it for the hell of it.) so that it still looked like Spider-Man, but darker.

[SpeterMan3]

No, they are holding an alternate design for the front, if you look closely they are sitting the design on front of the costume, the spider is on a plastic cover which attaches to the suit.
I thought so, but I couldn't tell. Thanks.

[©KAW]

They are not as good as the originals at all, I wasn't meaning that. What I meant was, from a strictly design pov, they mesh easily with the red and black mask, and do not stand out, unlike the somewhat 'blocky' re-design of teh rest of the outfit.
I disagree that they make him look 'alien', or make him look like he has eyes like those 'grey' aliens that kidnap people from Earth. I don't think they stand out as much as those grey guy's eyes do, those eyes are pretty big.Those black eyes are the first thing that I notice, which was a change not worth changing. I would say that the Alex Ross suit is over designed in the worst possible way. It changes key elements that makes Spidey's costume unique.



I think it looks too bland all black, it just would not have looked any more interesting than any old black body suit. The texture in the SM3 version is much better, I just think it's way more interesting to look at, yes, it's not much different from the red and blue design, but it's still more ineteresting to look at than that one.
edit: I really like the raised webbing design for the classic outfit, and think that benefits the black outfit too. I love how good the mask looks when he lands in front of the bank to fight Sandman, just black with the white eyes...it would have just looked bland, just a black leotard with white spidey eyes, nothing going on.

I don't know about the morphing into street clothes, it could have looked a little hokey in live action, a little too much like 'The Mask' or something.Bland was the red/blue suit painted black. I think the classic black costume would have made for a much better second costume on film. Instead, it just looks like Spider-Man was playing in oil. The raised webs on what should have been an even slicker looking Spider-Man suit, just ruined the so-called alien suit as a whole.

I used to love the black suit from the comics. I got bored with seeing it after a while. I think Raimi & Co. went the right route modeling it on the classic outfit (obviously their initial approach wasn't working; it kills me when naysayers act like he just abandoned it for the hell of it.) so that it still looked like Spider-Man, but darker.I still love the black suit and seeing it suited up in this pic, just constantly makes me think of how cool looking it could have been. Especially with the added ability to morph into his street clothes. So much cool potential was missed. I'm just tired of the asinine excuses, we've seen plenty of black shiny costumes on film, yet these filmmakers couldn't make something as simple as this happen.

[david icke]

Those black eyes are the first thing that I notice, which was a change not worth changing. I would say that the Alex Ross suit is over designed in the worst possible way. It changes key elements that makes Spidey's costume unique.

the first thing I noticed was the enterance to the gent's toilets on spidey's chest. I agree the rest of the suit is an eyesore.



Bland was the red/blue suit painted black. I think the classic black costume would have made for a much better second costume on film. Instead, it just looks like Spider-Man was playing in oil. The raised webs on what should have been an even slicker looking Spider-Man suit, just ruined the so-called alien suit as a whole.

I still love the black suit and seeing it suited up in this pic, just constantly makes me think of how cool looking it could have been. Especially with the added ability to morph into his street clothes. So much cool potential was missed. I'm just tired of the asinine excuses, we've seen plenty of black shiny costumes on film, yet these filmmakers couldn't make something as simple as this happen.

I wouldn't call, 'not showing up well on camera against dark backgrounds', an asinine excuse, lol, that sounds like a 'very good reason' to me.

I don't know of any kind of skin tight costume on film that looks the way you want it to, I don't know what outfits you refer to that could be comparable to a shiny, skintight Spider-man outfit.
That one in the photo just looks like a big black sock, much like the Nicholas Hammond was a big red one. I do not want my Spider-man costumes to sock.

It would be very difficult to make a good looking shiny skin tight outfit in the first place, never mind making one that looked genuinely alien in real life.

[©KAW]

Basically, we need better filmmakers. I prefer it to look exactly like the suit in the pic, if you think that black suit looks anything like what Nicholas Hammond wore--then you're blind. If they don't know how to light certain scenes, with someone wearing a black suit, it's pathetic. Then again, I'm not really surprised.

[Chris Wallace]

Those black eyes are the first thing that I notice, which was a change not worth changing. I would say that the Alex Ross suit is over designed in the worst possible way. It changes key elements that makes Spidey's costume unique.



Bland was the red/blue suit painted black. I think the classic black costume would have made for a much better second costume on film. Instead, it just looks like Spider-Man was playing in oil. The raised webs on what should have been an even slicker looking Spider-Man suit, just ruined the so-called alien suit as a whole.

I still love the black suit and seeing it suited up in this pic, just constantly makes me think of how cool looking it could have been. Especially with the added ability to morph into his street clothes. So much cool potential was missed. I'm just tired of the asinine excuses, we've seen plenty of black shiny costumes on film, yet these filmmakers couldn't make something as simple as this happen.

To each his own. Like I said, I prefer the black suit they went with over the plainjane black with an ambiguous symbol, white patches that lend nothing to its appearance-good or bad, and nothing else going for it in my opinion. I honestly think the hatred of Acheson's design stems mainly from the fact that it differs from what we saw in the comics. (Although on a side note, I kinda wish they'd gone the "Spectacular" route with a black version of the classic suit gradually evolving into what would be Venom's look. But I'm happy with what we got.) As for the morphing aspect, it was really never a big deal to me either way.
And disagreeing with you while providing reasons for said disagreement is not making asinine excuses. It's stating an opinion. I'll go one step further & say that I actually commend Acheson for choosing to do something a little different and NOT let Spider-Man get lost in the sea of shiny black costumes that were already out there.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p161/skarletprincess/X-MenUnited.jpghttp://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee38/floridarazorback/matrix_reloaded_trinity.jpghttp://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad108/DC-Universe/Batman/Batman_Forever_1995_013.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/jjadynomite/Comics/Image%20Comics/Spawn1.jpg

[©KAW]

No, the hate stems from them painting the red/blue suit...BLACK. The morphing of the suit was definitily a cool factor that needed to be there, which is why both animated series (including Spectacular) didn't leave it out of their version. I speak of the filmmakers' asinine reason for not giving us the original black costume.

The black suit we got in SM3 is included in the sea of black suits on film, regardless. It's just a much lazier approach and design.

[TheWatcher]

The Ultimate costume,please. Barely any changes.

[Ajendo]

To each his own. Like I said, I prefer the black suit they went with over the plainjane black with an ambiguous symbol, white patches that lend nothing to its appearance-good or bad, and nothing else going for it in my opinion. I honestly think the hatred of Acheson's design stems mainly from the fact that it differs from what we saw in the comics.

No the dislike comes from the fact that the costume is exactly the red and blue design but painted black. No creativity what so ever. Those pics you posted below proves that the black costume design from the comics could have worked, which is why it's a load of bs the excuses the film makers gave for not going ahead with the design. Not to mention the other lame "artistic" choices they went with.


http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p161/skarletprincess/X-MenUnited.jpghttp://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee38/floridarazorback/matrix_reloaded_trinity.jpghttp://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad108/DC-Universe/Batman/Batman_Forever_1995_013.jpghttp://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/jjadynomite/Comics/Image%20Comics/Spawn1.jpg

[david icke]

Basically, we need better filmmakers. I prefer it to look exactly like the suit in the pic, if you think that black suit looks anything like what Nicholas Hammond wore--then you're blind. If they don't know how to light certain scenes, with someone wearing a black suit, it's pathetic. Then again, I'm not really surprised.

lol, I love how you assume you know better than the folk who actually tested the outfit on film. Yes, of course there is a big conspiracy against using the original black Spider-man outfit on film.
It looks like a big black leotard, a big black sock in essence, no texture, just like the Hammond costume, bland! It looks visually boring. You may get your kicks from looking at a plain black material, but i like to actually have some design work and texture in there to engage the eye.
and I notice you have cited absolutely no examples of the so-called 'many' examples of shiny black material used in 'many' films you claimed they could have used for this outfit.

[david icke]

No the dislike comes from the fact that the costume is exactly the red and blue design but painted black. No creativity what so ever. Those pics you posted below proves that the black costume design from the comics could have worked, which is why it's a load of bs the excuses the film makers gave for not going ahead with the design. Not to mention the other lame "artistic" choices they went with.

Those pics don't prove anything. How on Earth could Spider-man move they way he is supposed to wrapped in black rubber/leather like those examples from Batman, X-Men and the Matrix, about the only one that looks like it could have been used is the Spawn one, and the fake shiny texture used for that is a not what I would call tasteful. edit: there are at least some thing going on design wise with the Spawn outfit, something to look at, unlike the original black Spidey costume.

[©KAW]

lol, I love how you assume you know better than the folk who actually tested the outfit on film. Yes, of course there is a big conspiracy against using the original black Spider-man outfit on film.
It looks like a big black leotard, a big black sock in essence, no texture, just like the Hammond costume, bland! It looks visually boring. You may get your kicks from looking at a plain black material, but i like to actually have some design work and texture in there to engage the eye.
and I notice you have cited absolutely no examples of the so-called 'many' examples of shiny black material used in 'many' films you claimed they could have used for this outfit.Yes, let's go by the word of folks who tested and went with the horrible looking Green Goblin Power Ranger suit and his son The Green Surfer Dude. I suppose there was nothing visually BLAND or BORING or CHEESY about those costumes. Let me guess, you were engaged by these mediocre designs.

Out of all of the black suits, whether it was X-Men, Burton's Batman and Catwoman, Darth Vader, Matrix, GI Joe or Iron Man's Black Widow, etc. They should have went with the very design in the pic. Like the original red/blue costume, they would have actual got another one right. I'm talking costumes, not regular street clothes like Sandy and Ock.

Now that I think about it, I would love to see other designs of their Green Goblin, maybe they actually had something good, but decided to go with complete crap.
Those pics don't prove anything. How on Earth could Spider-man move they way he is supposed to wrapped in black rubber/leather like those examples from Batman, X-Men and the Matrix, about the only one that looks like it could have been used is the Spawn one, and the fake shiny texture used for that is a not what I would call tasteful. edit: there are at least some thing going on design wise with the Spawn outfit, something to look at, unlike the original black Spidey costume.First off, Spider-Man when he's not CGI, which is unfortunately rare, would move no differently from Trinity in The Matrix (minus the bullet-time).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPtk7mweahY

The rubber suit as you call it will act like spandex, of course it would allow for movement. Let's face it, Spider-Man moved horribly in his red/blue suit when he wasn't CGI.

What is it with you and texture? It's a living alien suit, it doesn't need texture, it was design to be slick and black, yet look totally different from the red/blue costume. The flow of it morphing back and forth into street clothes looks smoother without the textures. The oily look of it gives it the visual that it's flowing, especially when various lights hit it (as seen in the clip above).

[david icke]

Yes, let's go by the word of folks who tested and went with the horrible looking Green Goblin Power Ranger suit and his son The Green Surfer Dude. I suppose there was nothing visually BLAND or BORING or CHEESY about those costumes. Let me guess, you were engaged by these mediocre designs.

Whether you liked them or not, they at least had *something* going on in there, not just a big sock.
I don't have as much of a problem with the Goblin armour, it's the mask I have a problem with. Harry's outfit did the job, it looked fine. It doesn't bother me in the least onscreen, I think the 'surfer dude' stuff got old as soon as it was started.
It's tasteful, not obtrusively bad design, does the job, and is more than just a big sock of fabric.


Out of all of the black suits, whether it was X-Men, Burton's Batman and Catwoman, Darth Vader, Matrix, GI Joe or Iron Man's Black Widow, etc. They should have went with the very design in the pic. Like the original red/blue costume, they would have actual got another one right. I'm talking costumes, not regular street clothes like Sandy and Ock.

Yeah, you're right, it would have been much better to stick with the comic's design, even though it would look like nothing more than a big black sock and we'd not be able to see Spider-man properly onscreen now and again. That's a great idea, and I'm sorry they did not go with that.


Now that I think about it, I would love to see other designs of their Green Goblin, maybe they actually had something good, but decided to go with complete crap.
First off, Spider-Man when he's not CGI, which is unfortunately rare, would move no differently from Trinity in The Matrix (minus the bullet-time).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPtk7mweahY

Let's face it, Spider-Man moved horribly in his red/blue suit when he wasn't CGI (and even some of that is questionable). Something else they need to get right.

What is it with you and texture? It's a living alien suit, it doesn't need texture, it was design to be slick and black, yet look totally different from the red/blue costume. The flow of it morphing back and forth into street clothes looks smoother without the textures. The oily look of it gives it the visual that it's flowing, especially when various lights hit it (as seen in the clip above).

It's to give you something interesting to look at, all you want is 'black', nothing there for the eye to engage with.
You want to go to an art gallery and look at a painting that's just completely black? Cool, but I'd prefer something with a little more variety going on visually, and with fabric, how you achieve that is by incorporating different textures and designs.
and i don't know quite what you mean, you want Spider-man dressed in pvc/leather like Trinity? I don't think that's a good choice either, considering he wears a skintight outfit, Trinty's outfit may be form fitting, but it is a far cry from the tights Spidey wears, totally different ballgame. Leather/pvc would not work for that type of Spidey outfit, once it was *that* tight, the guy inside would not be able to frickin' move, lol.

[©KAW]

Whether you liked them or not, they at least had *something* going on in there, not just a big sock.
I don't have as much of a problem with the Goblin armour, it's the mask I have a problem with. Harry's outfit did the job, it looked fine. It doesn't bother me in the least onscreen, I think the 'surfer dude' stuff got old as soon as it was started.
It's tasteful, not obtrusively bad design, does the job, and is more than just a big sock of fabric.Are you serious? The Green Goblin suit was a mess from head to toe. I was here on this board when that suit was first seen. Everyone thought it was a joke, and once they realized it wasn't, they thought that Sony/Raimi would add CGI to make it look good. That never happened. I remember them saying..."they'll add the purple later," lol :hehe:. It looked alright during the far away shots. But up close, no CGI, he looked like a giant action figure, with lots of PLASTIC. Textures and all Harry looked ridiculous, what part of him looked like a Goblin, you tell me?


Yeah, you're right, it would have been much better to stick with the comic's design, even though it would look like nothing more than a big black sock and we'd not be able to see Spider-man properly onscreen now and again. That's a great idea, and I'm sorry they did not go with that.If you were able to see other black costumes on screen, why wouldn't you be able to see Spider-Man's black suit? Could it be lazy film making leering it's ugly head again. Afraid to do something a little challenging, yet not impossible.
It's you something interesting to look at, all you want is 'black', nothing there for teh eye to engage with.
and i don't know quite what you mean, you want Spider-man dressed in pvc/leather like Trinity? I don't think that's a good choice either, considering he wears a skintight outfit, Trinty's outfit maybe be form fitting, but it is a far cry from the tights Spidey wears, totally different ballgame. Leather/pvc would not work for that type of Spidey outfit, once it was *that* tight, the guy inside would not be able to frickin' move, lol.You and the director claimed (or should I say, you repeating what the director said) you wouldn't be able to "SEE" a black shiny costume on screen properly, I'm just proving you both WRONG, even in the dark. If the filmmakers actually knows how to pull it off. Trinity is a perfect example of a black skin tight suit, with the movements of Spider-Man, being filmed at night and in a "BLACK SHINY SUIT" easily being seen on screen...looking COOL as hell I might add!

The black Spider-Man suit would have allowed for even better movement than the costume Trinity is wearing. As it would be made of a much more spandex type suit, just a lot more expensive. So why couldn't Sam Raimi & Co. pull this off? :dry:

[TheWatcher]

This should be the costume!
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/spiderman_classic_alex_ross_poster_2.jpg

[david icke]

Are you serious? The Green Goblin suit was a mess from head to toe. I was here on this board when that suit was first seen. Everyone thought it was a joke, and once they realized it wasn't, they thought that Sony/Raimi would add CGI to make it look good. That never happened. I remember them saying..."they'll add the purple later," lol :hehe:. It looked alright during the far away shots. But up close, no CGI, he looked like a giant action figure, with lots of PLASTIC. Textures and all Harry looked ridiculous, what part of him looked like a Goblin, you tell me?

Why would the harry of that movie want to dress up like a Goblin? You tell me, lol.
I think you have to accept some changes for superhero movies, Harry's story was a lot better than it was in the books, I'll take the sacrifice of him dressing up like a Goblin for that particular story. there was muck all wrong with the costume.

Ok, I forgot there was no purple in the original Goblin suit, you got me there, holy crap, I can't imagine how that must have been for you guys back in the day when it was revealed. I personally would have organised a party of protesters to show up at the Sony offices and throw some buckets of purple paint at the windows, or better yet, get evryone to eat craploads of blueberries and they could have crapped out some purple onto the carpet of the head honcho's office.

If the body armour of *any* of the Batman outfits from the movies, 89-97, 2005-2008, does not bother you to the same degree that the Goblin armour does, then you are a hypocrite.


If you were able to see other black costumes on screen, why wouldn't you be able to see Spider-Man's black suit? Could it be lazy film making leering it's ugly head again. Afraid to do something a little challenging, yet not impossible.
You and the director claimed (or should I say, you repeating what the director said) you wouldn't be able to "SEE" a black shiny costume on screen properly, I'm just proving you both WRONG, even in the dark. If the filmmakers actually knows how to pull it off. Trinity is a perfect example of a black skin tight suit, with the movements of Spider-Man, being filmed at night and in a "BLACK SHINY SUIT" easily being seen on screen...looking COOL as hell I might add!

The black Spider-Man suit would have allowed for even better movement than the costume Trinity is wearing. As it would be made of a much more spandex type suit, just a lot more expensive. So why couldn't Sam Raimi & Co. pull this off? :dry:

em, I don't know how many times you are going to keep up this confused argument you have going here. But, there is no way you can compare the fabric/material of outfit Trinity is wearing to the kind of fabric/material required for a skin tight Spider-man outfit.
You are making the same flawed argument in a vain attempt at conjuring up some magic material that does not exist in some vain attempt to show you know exactly what they should have done. When the thing is, you don't, and that is clear fromt the fact you are using the same argument and ignoring what I said earlier about that.

[Chris Wallace]

This should be the costume!
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/spiderman_classic_alex_ross_poster_2.jpg

Way to try to steer it back on topic.

[spidermanJLA!~]

Less angular eyes,Original beetle symbol on the back, small spider symbol on chest, non-raised flat black webs, and maybe even the under arm webs in the picture below :spidey:http://spider-man.info/AmazingSpider-ManE/Large/AmazingSpider-Man442.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

Why are we so gung ho on the beetle/tick back symbol? It seems to stem from the thought process of "change is bad".

[mre]

Why fix what aint broke?

[david icke]

Why fix what aint broke?

I think there was room for design improvement on the back spider, all the original was is a round red blob with some short protuding lines. This looks alright in the books, but the more detailed design they went with in the last movie costume, well, it just looked so much more aesthetically pleasing.

btw, lol, I just heard a guy on tv say 'I dressed up as Spider-man.'

[Chris Wallace]

I thought that for years-it didn't look like a spider. It was the only flaw in the costume's design & Acheson corrected it.

[©KAW]

Why would the harry of that movie want to dress up like a Goblin? You tell me, lol.
I think you have to accept some changes for superhero movies, Harry's story was a lot better than it was in the books, I'll take the sacrifice of him dressing up like a Goblin for that particular story. there was muck all wrong with the costume.I don't know, maybe to take over the mantle of his father the Green Goblin, it was the character's name, GOBLIN. The movie version was a much weaker version than the comic books, that's for damn sure. Which now includes Sandman, The Symbiote and Venom into one story, and The Butler who knew it all, better than the comics, really? I'll accept changes for the better but not for the worst.

This was the perfect opportunity for Raimi to improve upon the Goblin's costume, instead, he made it worst.

Ok, I forgot there was no purple in the original Goblin suit, you got me there, holy crap, I can't imagine how that must have been for you guys back in the day when it was revealed. I personally would have organised a party of protesters to show up at the Sony offices and throw some buckets of purple paint at the windows, or better yet, get evryone to eat craploads of blueberries and they could have crapped out some purple onto the carpet of the head honcho's office.It was complete disbelief that in a 140M dollar film, after waiting forever for a Spider-Man film, that we were getting something that looked like a Power Ranger villain. :dry:

If the body armour of *any* of the Batman outfits from the movies, 89-97, 2005-2008, does not bother you to the same degree that the Goblin armour does, then you are a hypocrite.It's not the armour, it's the way it was designed. Since you like texture so much, I always prefered something more like this Green Goblin design:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jimtheviking/_uimages/goblin7.4PLowRes.jpg


em, I don't know how many times you are going to keep up this confused argument you have going here. But, there is no way you can compare the fabric/material of outfit Trinity is wearing to the kind of fabric/material required for a skin tight Spider-man outfit.
You are making the same flawed argument in a vain attempt at conjuring up some magic material that does not exist in some vain attempt to show you know exactly what they should have done. When the thing is, you don't, and that is clear fromt the fact you are using the same argument and ignoring what I said earlier about that.No, you seem to be confused. You said the the black suit wouldn't show up well on screen, because it didn't have texture to it, was that not the main asinine reason for them NOT to use the original black suit? Which was proved wrong by the Trinity clip. Just more excuses from an uncreative and lazy director.

And they could easily make a suit made for movement, very much like the Tim Burton's Catwoman costume, was that suit not tight enough for you? Plus, they never even allow Spider-Man (non-CGI) to do his own spidey movements, he's usually turned into CGI for those parts, the suit (including the red/blue) are just show pieces for quick scenes. How many times and for how long, did we see the black costume in (SM3) live action during action shots?

[Easily_Amused]

This is an absolutely fascinating conversation/argument about the costumes in Spider-Man 1-3! :whatever:

However, this is the "Spider-Man REBOOT Costume" thread. Please bring it back to topic and, if you must continue this drivel, PM each other instead, okay?

[SpeterMan3]

I'm just wondering... How does trying to make the original suit work and finally deciding that he needed something else make Raimi uncreative and lazy? Just something I've been wanting to get cleared up, for my sake.

[Ajendo]

Those pics don't prove anything. How on Earth could Spider-man move they way he is supposed to wrapped in black rubber/leather like those examples from Batman, X-Men and the Matrix, about the only one that looks like it could have been used is the Spawn one, and the fake shiny texture used for that is a not what I would call tasteful. edit: there are at least some thing going on design wise with the Spawn outfit, something to look at, unlike the original black Spidey costume.

Obviously it wouldn't be rubber or leather but even if it was I fail to see how spidey wouldn't be able to move the way he does, especially seeing as all the important movements he makes would be cg anyway and other films have managed to use such materials and maximised it with great flexibility. Besides, I wasn't focusing on the material's fabric but on how the material's colour comes off on screen. The pics DO prove that the dark colouring of the material can work. Clearly, Raimi and the studio have no clue as to apply lighting techniques to make the costume stand out. The costume's design pattern doesn't even come into it; which I think is your hang up simply because you just don't like the comic's symbiot design.

[david icke]

I don't know, maybe to take over the mantle of his father the Green Goblin, it was the character's name, GOBLIN. The movie version was a much weaker version than the comic books, that's for damn sure. Which now includes Sandman, The Symbiote and Venom into one story, and The Butler who knew it all, better than the comics, really? I'll accept changes for the better but not for the worst.

I quite specifically said that HARRY'S story was better than the book's version.
Harry's eventual tranformation into a villan who hated spidey was crap in the books compared to this, the friendship was better with Pete in the movies, and the character was much stronger.
and you are perfectly aware that the butler scene is what? 0.0000001% of that story, and that i said that scene is not needed at all the other day, the story works perfectly fine without it. It is not pivotal and can be ignored.
I'm talking about the 3 movies, and the Harry parts of 3 were fine.
even with those added parts in 3(and i fail to see how the fact Sandman being made Ben's killer is part of Harry's story, or indeed Venom's story in anymore than superficially being connected), the Harry story worked better than the superficial working of the books.

edit: Oh yeah, and as for the 'take over the Goblin mantle', no, all he was interested in was getting revenge on Pete for killing his father. He wasn't into the masks and stuff like Norman, he developed no persona, all he wanted were the tools to avenge his father's death.
Imagine a scene wth Harry like the books, 'Now , I am the Goblin!!!' Holy moses, it would have been hokey as hell, we already had enough backstory to have Harry show up as a super=powered, super-tooled up villan.
You say you want the movie to be less kiddy, yet you are throwing up crap because the guy did not wear a monster mask?! It worked great onscreen the way it was, I'm sorry you need a monster mask for it to wrok for you.
I'm glad we got to see his face, and i am not bothered that much about lack of a Goblin mask, because the mask obscures the face of the actor. Hell, i've even said in the past that the silver goblin mask looked great and i wish we could have seen it on him, but it was fine and tasteful the way it played out.

This was the perfect opportunity for Raimi to improve upon the Goblin's costume, instead, he made it worst.

It was complete disbelief that in a 140M dollar film, after waiting forever for a Spider-Man film, that we were getting something that looked like a Power Ranger villain. :dry:

It was a body armour movie change , not unlike the Batman body armour changes, again, if you are fine with Batman having a colour/body armour change, but scream to the heavens about the Goblin, you are a hypocrite.



It's not the armour, it's the way it was designed. Since you like texture so much, I always prefered something more like this Green Goblin design:
http://home.earthlink.net/~jimtheviking/_uimages/goblin7.4PLowRes.jpg

Yes, a drawing that looks far too busy, and most probably would have looked even more busy than the Batman suit of TDK.
there is such a thing as overdoing it, and that's why they did not go with that armour, I would guess anyway.
If they had realised that armour onscreen, you would doubtless be here complaining about it.


No, you seem to be confused. You said the the black suit wouldn't show up well on screen, because it didn't have texture to it, was that not the main asinine reason for them NOT to use the original black suit? Which was proved wrong by the Trinity clip. Just more excuses from an uncreative and lazy director.

And they could easily make a suit made for movement, very much like the Tim Burton's Catwoman costume, was that suit not tight enough for you? Plus, they never even allow Spider-Man (non-CGI) to do his own spidey movements, he's usually turned into CGI for those parts, the suit (including the red/blue) are just show pieces for quick scenes. How many times and for how long, did we see the black costume in (SM3) live action during action shots?

Would you seriously want Spider-man's black suit to look like that? omg, he would have looked like a guy from an S&M club. Because that's how Catwoman looks, and that's what's great about her costume, would that have been a good look for Spidey? Yes? lol
The Catwoman suit is not the type of material a Spider-man suit should be made out of, it would have looked rank. What works for one type of outfit does not work for another.
They are only similar on a supericial level, if you made a Spider-man outfit out of that material, the guy would not be able to move. Think about it, a spider-man outfit is made out of material that streches along with the wearer's moves. Catwoman's is a very stiff looking outfit, her moves *do* look stiff when she is highkicking etc, but i give that a pass as her outfit looks good, and works for Catwoman. It would be an aesthetic disaster on Spider-man.

this ideal Spider-man movie you hold in your head, seriously, I would love to see it someday.

edit: Oh, and Trinty's outfit cannot be compared to the Spider-man costume in any way, please stop using that example, you have Catwoman now, and that just would not have worked, there is no magic alien like material for you to show as an example. They would have tried that out if it did exist, they are professional costume designers.

anyway....Re: the Spider blob on the back of the outfit..tbh I never gave it that much thought when reading the books over the years, it looked ok , but it was one of those things that had to be chnaged for the movie, it would have looked a bit of a dumb design on a live action suit, like someone cut out a bit of fabric and slapped it on in two minutes flat.
I would not be surprised if the original artist drew the blob that way so he could have an easy part of teh costume to draw, given the time you would have to take with all the webbing.
and i say no to under arm webbing, it could look constricting.

[david icke]

Obviously it wouldn't be rubber or leather but even if it was I fail to see how spidey wouldn't be able to move the way he does, especially seeing as all the important movements he makes would be cg anyway and other films have managed to use such materials and maximised it with great flexibility. Besides, I wasn't focusing on the material's fabric but on how the material's colour comes off on screen. The pics DO prove that the dark colouring of the material can work. Clearly, Raimi and the studio have no clue as to apply lighting techniques to make the costume stand out. The costume's design pattern doesn't even come into it; which I think is your hang up simply because you just don't like the comic's symbiot design.

Em, I was very clear about the fact that I don't think much of the black outfit design, it making spidey nothing more than a black blob in many artist's hands. It looked good in the first issue it appeared in AMS, but in too mnay comics it wasn't so good, the red and blue is infinitely more interesting to look at.

What I was saying was that Raimi and co obviously had no problem with the design of the outfit, and gave it a go, they did not necesarily ditch it for aesthetic reasons, but for reasons of capturing spider-man properly on film.

[Ajendo]

Which is my point. Raimi lacked the skill to apply the proper lighting to capture the suit properly whereas other films have had no such problem. Fair enough you got bored with the black costume but it's not as though the black costume was going to be a permanent fixture in the series.

[Chris Wallace]

I'm just wondering... How does trying to make the original suit work and finally deciding that he needed something else make Raimi uncreative and lazy? Just something I've been wanting to get cleared up, for my sake.

Because it gives the naysayers another reason to bash him. I thought you knew that.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think there was room for design improvement on the back spider, all the original was is a round red blob with some short protuding lines. This looks alright in the books, but the more detailed design they went with in the last movie costume, well, it just looked so much more aesthetically pleasing.

btw, lol, I just heard a guy on tv say 'I dressed up as Spider-man.' Personally, I thought that spider worked for the comics, but not for the film ,which is why i'm glad they whent with a different spider for the back in the film. ANother example of what works in comics doesn't always work on film. :up;

[DACMAN]

Though I liked the movie version of the back better, how do you know it wouldn't work on film seeing as it wasn't even tried.

[TheWatcher]

I think that they should look at "Kick-Ass" as inspiration for the Spider-Man costume.He doesn't need padding and armor,He's a teen. Where is he going to get those kinda resources?

My 2 cents.

[SpeterMan3]

Because it gives the naysayers another reason to bash him. I thought you knew that.
Oh, I know. I'd just like to hear the reasoning of said naysayers. If there is any.

[Ajendo]

I think that they should look at "Kick-Ass" as inspiration for the Spider-Man costume.He doesn't need padding and armor,He's a teen. Where is he going to get those kinda resources?

My 2 cents.

The kickass costume works in the sense that his body looked like how spidey as a kid would look in a costume, however, because spidey has muscle definition I think padding should be used but in a subtle way and using thinner material. Tobey's padding made the overall costume a little chunky.

[Chris Wallace]

Kick-Ass is an amateur superhero whose comic kids can't even ask their parents for without getting slapped in the mouth, and Spider-Man has been a widely recognized household name for decades. Plus the Kick-Ass costume is horrendous. No way should they look to that as a reference.

[MrShifty]

Kick-Ass is an amateur superhero whose comic kids can't even ask their parents for without getting slapped in the mouth, and Spider-Man has been a widely recognized household name for decades. Plus the Kick-Ass costume is horrendous. No way should they look to that as a reference.

http://images.halloweencostumes.com/spectacular-spiderman-costume.jpgI think people want to see this because it would be more "realistic" for a teen. smh...

[batboy99]

How is the Kick Ass costume ''horrendous''? It's not the nicest suit, but thats how it's supposed to be.
That being said, I to think they should keep away from home made looking costumes.

[TheWatcher]

Kick-Ass is an amateur superhero whose comic kids can't even ask their parents for without getting slapped in the mouth, and Spider-Man has been a widely recognized household name for decades. Plus the Kick-Ass costume is horrendous. No way should they look to that as a reference.
I didn't mean that in terms of design. I mean't quality. it should be cool,but not too hi tech.He's a teen with a sowing machine and a girlfriend willing to do it.

[Grillz]

People are we really talking about realism for a movie about a kid getting bit by a spider, and having super-powers? I think we all need to stop copying the Chris Nolan dark & gritty (even if it did finally show the power of a comic movie) realism stuff. I mean you can have a Spider-Man movie that could be a couple of fans dream, or they could make a movie about some kid who just happens to be super smart, and makes a armored/craptastic sewn together costume and call himself spider-man because he saw a spider at the time. Why can't comic book movies be a you know "comic-book" movie. Besides ( Watchmen did it)

[spidermanJLA!~]

I know the big red beetle isn't great, but how about we raise it to make it look cool like how the webs on spidey's costume were raised in the Raimi series?

[Chris Wallace]

I didn't mean that in terms of design. I mean't quality. it should be cool,but not too hi tech.He's a teen with a sewing machine and a girlfriend willing to do it.

I know what you meant. But I maintain that if the suit looks good, who cares how implausible it is? There is no need to make Spider-Man look amateurish just for the sake of "realism". We already saw him in a cheesy costume in the wrestling ring. Why can't we just leave that chapter behind & move on?
I can't believe fans are knocking a costume for looking TOO good.

[Ajendo]

Kick-Ass is an amateur superhero whose comic kids can't even ask their parents for without getting slapped in the mouth, and Spider-Man has been a widely recognized household name for decades. Plus the Kick-Ass costume is horrendous. No way should they look to that as a reference.

And the point of your post served what purpose? Kickass' costume was only being referenced as to how who ever plays spidey's build should be; which is why I was talking about the muscle padding. Also, we're not discussing the popularity of the comic book or the costume's design pattern. Stay on topic, homey.

[TheWatcher]

I never said it should look amateurish. They need to make it look cool,but not with hi tech upgrades.

[ModestMr.Green]

They should just go the 'wrestling-entity-ordered-it-for-him' route, ala Ultimate, so it can look great without any complaints as to the implausibility of its greatness.

[NinjaCarm]

I love the way David Finch draws Spider-Man and think it would be cool to see his version / style of Spider-Man (liked his Ultimate Spider-Man in Ultimatum) on film.

http://www.comicrelated.com/graphics/spiderman_blackcat_doom.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

They should just go the 'wrestling-entity-ordered-it-for-him' route, ala Ultimate, so it can look great without any complaints as to the implausibility of its greatness.

I toyed with a similar idea about 10 years or so ago, only I was thinking more along the lines of a TV agent.

[batboy99]

Here's a sketch I did of a possible look for the mask, I've always been a fan of the rounded eyes as well.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f111/batboy99/spideymask.jpg


Probably a little too much webbing, but along the lines as to how I'd like to see the mask look.

[Nathan]

Heh, I was just about to mention the webbing. Yeah, the eyes look good.

[batboy99]

Thanks. Yeah, there's a bit too much webbing but I kinda like it. And glad you like the eyes.

[ModestMr.Green]

That sketch reminds me a lot of the '60s Spider-Man series.

[batboy99]

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? That's my style but I was trying to go for a bit ok the original spidey look.

[ModestMr.Green]

No, I like it. That's just the first thing I thought of, that's all.

[batboy99]

Oh thanks :) yeah I wanted to give it that kind of 60's 70's feel. I love that spidey.

[rcazzy]

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r1/rcazzy/Manips/KickAssSpideyHandDrawn.jpg

My manip of the Kick-Ass suit.

Chris mentioned in the manips thread that the creases are off putting but I think there should be at least a few small creases appearing and just have the suit tighter and more defined.

[batboy99]

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r1/rcazzy/Manips/KickAssSpideyHandDrawn.jpg

My manip of the Kick-Ass suit.

Chris mentioned in the manips thread that the creases are off putting but I think there should be at least a few small creases appearing and just have the suit tighter and more defined.
Why exactly? What's the need for them?

[rcazzy]

Why exactly? What's the need for them?

After watching the Peter's Web series, seeing the suit in it just seemed to make it work much better visually for some reason. Also, I don't think the webbing should be raised thinking about the opportunity to not have it now in the reboot. It can still be made to be cool, but that doesn't need bells and whistles to do it, just essence, but raising the spider and eyes would be fine.
If you haven't seen the Peter's Web series, it's a low budget adaptation of classic Spidey stories. Mask is kinda awful and the costume was cheap to make but it works (occasionally looking spot on), gives a great comic like feel and with a bit of a bigger budget (and a small bit tighter) could be a perfect representation of the comic suit! I posted a link to it back a bit into the thread, I'll search 'em out and repost 'em here!

EDIT:

Costume at 4:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZjfMY1fy1E

Good humour and a decent look at the costume here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBIdD...eature=related

[spidermanJLA!~]

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r1/rcazzy/Manips/KickAssSpideyHandDrawn.jpg

My manip of the Kick-Ass suit.

Chris mentioned in the manips thread that the creases are off putting but I think there should be at least a few small creases appearing and just have the suit tighter and more defined.

Wow, I must say, you've got the right idea for the costume. Perfect.

[Chris Wallace]

Again, this does not look like Spider-Man to me. It looks like a fanboy wanna-be Spidey suit. I do not want to go to a movie to see a costume that looks like one that I'd run into 50 times at the Con.

[SpeterMan3]

What Chris said.

[TheWallCrawler]

I think this whole "make the costume so realistic that any teen ager could make it" thing is ridiculous. I mean, nothing else in the series is realistic! Even thou I didn't like the costume from raimi's spidey movies, I can still say that it didn't really bother me that the suit wasn't 100 % realistic. As long as they just make it look cool it's ok to me

[SpeterMan3]

What part(s) of it didn't you like? Just wondering.

[TheWallCrawler]

well the costume looks like something that a kid could wear when it's halloween:P I want something slick, and I don't exactly know how to say it, but "acrobatic" looking or something like that. Tobey maquire was a little too chubby as spiderman I think

[SpeterMan3]

That kid must have some rich parents, then.

edit: Which suit are we talking about?

[some guy]

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r1/rcazzy/Manips/KickAssSpideyHandDrawn.jpg



Good manip, I must say. But really, people want this?

[Chris Wallace]

SOme do. As part of the whole "pro-realism" movement. I would no more want him in this than in something modeled on the TDK suit.

[some guy]

Realism, eh? As in its entirely realistic that a teenager can build a device that shoots out webs, but he can't make a decent-looking costume? Yeah, okay.

[SpeterMan3]

Seriously.

[the dmg]

Realism, eh? As in its entirely realistic that a teenager can build a device that shoots out webs, but he can't make a decent-looking costume? Yeah, okay.
Or the fact that he was bitten by a spider that gave him super powers.

[Spec Spider-Man]

I want to see Big Eyes.

[Gamma Goliath]

I just want it be a classic suit that doesn't look the same as the previous one.

[NinjaCarm]

I think this would simply be perfect.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/201006/90_MARVELS__EYE_OF_THE_CAMERA__PREMIERE_HARDCOVER_ .jpg

[LegendaryCaleb]

I agree...that's amazingly perfect

[Chris Wallace]

Again-why the wrinkles?

[Goran]

Again-why the wrinkles?

Agreed...:whatever: so unnecessary...

[Maximillian]

Pajamas? No thanks. The muscles should stick out more. Not that they did in Raimi's trilogy either. Lol.

[craigdbfan]

Raimi's SM costume still looks great.

The "pro realism" people or whatever don't understand the necessity for an appealing and faithful costume for a character like Spider-Man.

It wouldn't be out of the question for someone to order a custom made lycra costume from China or wherever. So the entire pajama vomit outfit can go to the waste bin.

I say stick with the lycra and same design as Raimi's for the exception of having glossy black webbing (instead of silver), whiter tinted lens, and a different shape eye.

http://www.dailycognition.com/content/image/spiderman2_l.jpg

Something like this for the shape of the lens and outlining would be interesting (although its worth to note how the Raimi design is a toned down version of this):

http://www.sfgalleries.net/art/mvc2/series1/spiderman.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

Realism, eh? As in its entirely realistic that a teenager can build a device that shoots out webs, but he can't make a decent-looking costume? Yeah, okay.

Or he can make these intricate lenses-using cheap, readily available materials-that he can see out of but nobody else can see in. (Even the above "Kick-Asss"-inspired model has those) And yet the bodysuit should be cheesy and wrinkled?

[the dmg]

Or he can make these intricate lenses-using cheap, readily available materials-that he can see out of but nobody else can see in. (Even the above "Kick-Asss"-inspired model has those) And yet the bodysuit should be cheesy and wrinkled?
It's all in for the sake of "realism."

[Spider-Dude]

BlackCat?

[spidermanJLA!~]

Fine. This "Realism" thing is getting old. Nothing in the movie is realistic, So the costume doesn't have to be.

[Chris Wallace]

BlackCat?

Huh?

[spidermanJLA!~]

http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af23/jacob123456df/Spideybackmanip-1.jpgHere is probably what the back symbol would look like if it was the beetle.

[Spike_x1]

I made the lenses a tad bigger and angular. Emphasized the black outline on them and Brighten and the costume a bit more.

http://i46.tinypic.com/23ha8b9.jpg

But to be completely honest, there's no way i could really improves Raimi and Co.'s Spidey costume.*Right-click, save image*

I love those big eyes with thicker black outlines, and they look great without going overboard. :up:

I don't mind the raised webbing so much, but if they have it in the reboot, they need to make sure that it's not as silvery and reflective as it was on the old costumes, which led to it looking white in a lot of scenes.

[TheWallCrawler]

Fine. This "Realism" thing is getting old. Nothing in the movie is realistic, So the costume doesn't have to be.
totally agree

[Chris Wallace]

*Right-click, save image*

I love those big eyes with thicker black outlines, and they look great without going overboard. :up:

I don't mind the raised webbing so much, but if they have it in the reboot, they need to make sure that it's not as silvery and reflective as it was on the old costumes, which led to it looking white in a lot of scenes.

They look a little lopsided; perhaps a different angle would look better.

[Spike_x1]

Honestly, I didn't notice that until I saw your post. :argh:

Slight lopsidedness aside, I really like the look of those eyes.

[LegendaryCaleb]

either those (bagley-ish eyes) or classic spidey eyes will satisfy me :)

[Pac-Master]

I just posted this in the fan art thread. It's a manip I made to reflect how I'd like the costume to look.
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5120/spideyrebootcostume.jpg

[mre]

Fine. This "Realism" thing is getting old. Nothing in the movie is realistic, So the costume doesn't have to be.

Well... Beside the fact the the whole point of Peter Parker is that he is a superhero with REAL, relatable problems to the everyday teenager. Other than that you are right.

[Spider-Dude]

http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af23/jacob123456df/Spideybackmanip-1.jpgHere is probably what the back symbol would look like if it was the beetle.

Yeah I am not much of a fan for the beatle looking spider.

[Young Superman]

I think this would simply be perfect.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/201006/90_MARVELS__EYE_OF_THE_CAMERA__PREMIERE_HARDCOVER_ .jpg I like this.

[Chris Wallace]

I just posted this in the fan art thread. It's a manip I made to reflect how I'd like the costume to look.
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5120/spideyrebootcostume.jpg

Blackening the raised webs makes it look like yarn. And I'm not sure about the "campbell eyes".

[Droogoonie789]

Fine. This "Realism" thing is getting old. Nothing in the movie is realistic, So the costume doesn't have to be.

Yeah, but it still needs to make sense. A teenage kid can't make a perfect spandex superhero costume.

[roach]

why not??? You can believe a radioactive spider bite gives powers....and lets not for get the cheesey look of the Kick ass costumes is one of the contributing factors to why no one went to see it

[Chris Wallace]

I don't know about that, but it's a contributing factor to why I didn't go see it.

[roach]

A lot of people thought it was a cheesy flick based on the ads

[spidermanJLA!~]

Fine. This "Realism" thing is getting old. Nothing in the movie is realistic, So the costume doesn't have to be.

WOW! That one thing I said. Almost everybody is talking about it and quoting it.

[Droogoonie789]

why not??? You can believe a radioactive spider bite gives powers....and lets not for get the cheesey look of the Kick ass costumes is one of the contributing factors to why no one went to see it

I don't know about that, but it's a contributing factor to why I didn't go see it.

A lot of people thought it was a cheesy flick based on the ads

Hey, whoa, don't be hatin on Kick-Ass! All I'm saying is that there needs to be a logical explanation for the costume. In the first one, you went from Peter sketching costumes to shots of him in a perfectly-tailored, Hollywood grade-A costume. Makes no sense, unless he graduated sewing class with honors too. :P

[roach]

I am not hating on KA but it looked like a parody....

[Silver Knight]

I cant wait to see the new costume.

[rcazzy]

If you didn't go see Kick-Ass due to the cheesy costumes, you're being shallow (even elitist in not accepting something just a bit different). It's how the characters were, a bit more realistic in their costumes from the real world. No one I know who went to see it ( comic fans, older people, younger people with no strong interest in superhero details apart from films) complained about the suits.

Roach is almost right, Kick-Ass was a slight parody, but mostly, was meant to be a deconstruction. But it itself was aware of the problems faced in movie terms of what movie-goers want and became a superhero film, even with the costumes which worked and their superheroism came from their actions. Peter in a Kick-Ass suit with Spidey's powers would be cool. You can see this even with Hit Girl's character, she's just plain cool, even though the costume isn't exactly top notch. Wrinkles are common in cloth and textures, avoidable, but if they're there, no harm as evidenced even in Spidey's comic suits. It doesn't make me hate the character or the costume. In a world of superheroes, even wrinkles exist.

Spideys suit in terms of realism (NOT in terms of believing what Peter can build) should show progress if you want something like Raimi's suit. Show Peter getting a tight body suit, looking on the internet for materials at cheap prices, trial and error so it is not just him hopping into some super high quality suit. As shown by many many people who replicated building Raimi's Spidey suits themselves, it's possible (some small liberties), but they were documented and understood. Take those details and show them, explain, even just for a few fleeting moments for those of us who want these details.

The webbing not standing out has nothing to do with realism, just a look more in line with the comics which is what some people may want. Lighter webbing, not standing out much would be what I want and bigger eyes.

[roach]

If you didn't go see Kick-Ass due to the cheesy costumes, you're being shallow (even elitist in not accepting something just a bit different). It's how the characters were, a bit more realistic in their costumes from the real world. No one I know who went to see it ( comic fans, older people, younger people with no strong interest in superhero details apart from films) complained about the suits.

But we do it all the time with superhero movies.....how many people would have gone to see TDK if Bale was wearing the same costume Adam West wore??? We judge by the costume...look at how much buzz Thor got by releasing a pic generally pleasing to the fanbois

Roach is almost right, Kick-Ass was a slight parody, but mostly, was meant to be a deconstruction. But it itself was aware of the problems faced in movie terms of what movie-goers want and became a superhero film, even with the costumes which worked and their superheroism came from their actions. Peter in a Kick-Ass suit with Spidey's powers would be cool. You can see this even with Hit Girl's character, she's just plain cool, even though the costume isn't exactly top notch. Wrinkles are common in cloth and textures, avoidable, but if they're there, no harm as evidenced even in Spidey's comic suits. It doesn't make me hate the character or the costume. In a world of superheroes, even wrinkles exist.

However the GA never got to see this bcause the movie was pretty much almost advertised as a parody

Spideys suit in terms of realism (NOT in terms of believing what Peter can build) should show progress if you want something like Raimi's suit. Show Peter getting a tight body suit, looking on the internet for materials at cheap prices, trial and error so it is not just him hopping into some super high quality suit. As shown by many many people who replicated building Raimi's Spidey suits themselves, it's possible (some small liberties), but they were documented and understood. Take those details and show them, explain, even just for a few fleeting moments for those of us who want these details.

The webbing not standing out has nothing to do with realism, just a look more in line with the comics which is what some people may want. Lighter webbing, not standing out much would be what I want and bigger eyes.

but you slow down a film by showing peter sewing a suit..I'd rather they use that time to fleshout the characters.

[Chris Wallace]

Hey, whoa, don't be hatin on Kick-Ass! All I'm saying is that there needs to be a logical explanation for the costume.

Says who?

[roach]

I think the only ones who require an explanation for the Spider suit in the Raimi movies are the fanbois...these are the same guys who complain how he could create an awesome suit but complain that he didnt have mechanical webshooters

[Droogoonie789]

The costume NEEDS a logical explanation, as does everything. That's the reason certain comic book movies do well and survive, and others don't. For example, the Spider-Man trilogy. When things are explained, it draws the audience in, mainstream AND fanboy alike.

When every aspect of the movie is explained, like in Batman and Iron Man, it makes more sense and the movie does better as a whole. As cool as the Spidey movies, Daredevil and others looked, if you take a minute to think about the logic behind them it makes no sense. How does some geeky teen make a perfect costume? How did a blind acrobat lawyer get some wicked-awesome transforming cane? Doesn't make sense.

However, some comic books movies just suffered from terrible sequels...like X-Men and Fantastic Four.

[roach]

I dont think anyone but the fanbois had problems with the spidey costume from the raimi moves....I dont see how it would have made it better to show Peter making the suit...and th DD cane thing...I own a cane that turns into nunchukas I bought in Okinawa...its not impossible to get

[Droogoonie789]

I dont think anyone but the fanbois had problems with the spidey costume from the raimi moves....I dont see how it would have made it better to show Peter making the suit...and th DD cane thing...I own a cane that turns into nunchukas I bought in Okinawa...its not impossible to get

Dude, it's fanBOYS. This isn't an Avril Lavigne song. lol.

And sure, you may be able to piece that together, but the mainstream audience won't be able to rationalize everything. I didn't walk out of the theater saying "OMG, that movie sucked!!! Why didn't they show Peter make the suit?!?" I'm just saying things in the movie needs to make sense. Like the suit.

[rcazzy]

I dont think anyone but the fanbois had problems with the spidey costume from the raimi moves....I dont see how it would have made it better to show Peter making the suit...and th DD cane thing...I own a cane that turns into nunchukas I bought in Okinawa...its not impossible to get

Fanbois:hehe:

Just saying, the time showing the costume doesn't have to be wasted. In Kick-Ass, a brief scene had Dave ordering his wetsuit costume, but still drew you in mixing details of his plans and other things. Batman Begins had scenes dedicated to the suit, as did Dark Knight explaining the changes and they were good scenes showing the origins of the suit. While you say its only for the fanboys, the audience, I believe, would still like it to be shown, not just highly detailed drawings of costumes, but the method of creation. I think that if they had shown Peter making his suit in Spidey 1, it would have been a nice touch.

[roach]

Dude, it's fanBOYS. This isn't an Avril Lavigne song. lol.

And sure, you may be able to piece that together, but the mainstream audience won't be able to rationalize everything. I didn't walk out of the theater saying "OMG, that movie sucked!!! Why didn't they show Peter make the suit?!?" I'm just saying things in the movie needs to make sense. Like the suit.

I spell it that way because where I am from to call someone a boy is a sign of disrespect

[Chris Wallace]

The costume NEEDS a logical explanation, as does everything. That's the reason certain comic book movies do well and survive, and others don't. For example, the Spider-Man trilogy. When things are explained, it draws the audience in, mainstream AND fanboy alike.

When every aspect of the movie is explained, like in Batman and Iron Man, it makes more sense and the movie does better as a whole. As cool as the Spidey movies, Daredevil and others looked, if you take a minute to think about the logic behind them it makes no sense. How does some geeky teen make a perfect costume? How did a blind acrobat lawyer get some wicked-awesome transforming cane? Doesn't make sense.

However, some comic books movies just suffered from terrible sequels...like X-Men and Fantastic Four.
That is a load of crap. Explanations do not make or break superhero movies. The early Superman movies were hits & they explained NOTHING. No explanation for the costume, no explanation for how Luthor just discovered kryptonite in his head, no explanation for how reversing the Earth's rotation could not only reverse time but selectively eliminate certain affects of the earthquake but leave everyone's memories of it intact. And people didn't care. They LOVED it. Batman ('89, not Begins) offered NO explanation for anything other than the Joker's disfigurement. We don't know where Batman's gear came from, how the joybuzzer or Smylex gas worked, and nobody cared.
Raimi offered no true explanation for how Spidey's elaborate costume or the Goblin's mask came into being, how Ock was able to get clothes on over his tentacles, or how Spidey learned to shoot web-balls and NOBODY CARED. We got no explanation for how Cyclops just happened to have a spare uniform, in Logan's size, with tiger stripes, when it was time for Logan to go on a mission with them. We don't know where Magneto got the money to build his mutation machine or how he learned of Rogue's existence, let alone her whereabouts. And that movie was a hit. We loved meeting Stryker & learning that he was responsible for Wolverine's adamantium skeleton even thought we didn't know how it was possible. (And fans weren't overwhelmingly happy with the movie that explained this.)
Nor do we know how a lightsaber works or how an Avatar could exist. How every rebel in the Matrix knows that the laws of physics don't apply there but only one of them can fly. I could go on and on. We do, however, have some idea how the FF's costumes could adapt to their powers and audiences HATED their movies. Your argument about explanations is bull****. Period. Audiences don't care about that stuff, they want to be entertained. Give them an entertaining movie with a worthwhile story, and they will suspend disbelief and let their questions go.

[Alchemyst]

Explain to me how Osborn just so happen to have a goblin mask lying around

[Droogoonie789]

That is a load of crap. Explanations do not make or break superhero movies. The early Superman movies were hits & they explained NOTHING. No explanation for the costume, no explanation for how Luthor just discovered kryptonite in his head, no explanation for how reversing the Earth's rotation could not only reverse time but selectively eliminate certain affects of the earthquake but leave everyone's memories of it intact. And people didn't care. They LOVED it. Batman ('89, not Begins) offered NO explanation for anything other than the Joker's disfigurement. We don't know where Batman's gear came from, how the joybuzzer or Smylex gas worked, and nobody cared.
Raimi offered no true explanation for how Spidey's elaborate costume or the Goblin's mask came into being, how Ock was able to get clothes on over his tentacles, or how Spidey learned to shoot web-balls and NOBODY CARED. We got no explanation for how Cyclops just happened to have a spare uniform, in Logan's size, with tiger stripes, when it was time for Logan to go on a mission with them. We don't know where Magneto got the money to build his mutation machine or how he learned of Rogue's existence, let alone her whereabouts. And that movie was a hit. We loved meeting Stryker & learning that he was responsible for Wolverine's adamantium skeleton even thought we didn't know how it was possible. (And fans weren't overwhelmingly happy with the movie that explained this.)
Nor do we know how a lightsaber works or how an Avatar could exist. How every rebel in the Matrix knows that the laws of physics don't apply there but only one of them can fly. I could go on and on. We do, however, have some idea how the FF's costumes could adapt to their powers and audiences HATED their movies. Your argument about explanations is bull****. Period. Audiences don't care about that stuff, they want to be entertained. Give them an entertaining movie with a worthwhile story, and they will suspend disbelief and let their questions go.

I'm sure the audiences didn't hate the FF movies because the costumes were explained, dude. The FF aren't that well-known outside of comic book readers, and the sequel sucked. Bottom line is that entertaining movies still need to make sense within the realm of the story. Besides, every franchise you mentioned eventually failed miserably except for Avatar. The Avatars were explained, btw.

[Droogoonie789]

I spell it that way because where I am from to call someone a boy is a sign of disrespect

Ah, gotcha. No offense.

[TheWallCrawler]

I think that as long as the costume looks cool, it doesn't need a realistic explanation. Only if it's easy to do like in Ironman or Batman then it's fine. But in Spiderman, there's just no way you're gonna explain the skin thight slick spider costume, and how did Norman Osborn get the goblin costume.
People are forgetting that we are talking about a teen who shoots web out of his hands and climbs walls. Is that realistic? C'mon if movies really were realistic they wouldn't be cool

[Pac-Master]

Yeah, I'm tired of all this "realistic" talk. As long as the costume respects it's comic counterpart and looks great, there will be no problems.

[rcazzy]

I think that as long as the costume looks cool, it doesn't need a realistic explanation. Only if it's easy to do like in Ironman or Batman then it's fine. But in Spiderman, there's just no way you're gonna explain the skin thight slick spider costume, and who did Norman Osborn get the goblin costume.
People are forgetting that we are talking about a teen who shoots web out of his hands and climbs walls. Is that realistic? C'mon if movies really were realistic they wouldn't be cool



As I mentioned above, the realism in comparing Peter's powers with clothes, things which actually exist, are two different things. There's no such thing as magic exact premade superhero suits (unless of course it's in the story, like a wrestling suit which would be another way to go about it ;) )

Simple, short scenes showing the suit creation would just fill gaps, I believe. People have moved from being awed by heroes such as in the original Superman films to wondering how they come to be today in superhero films.

[roach]

I dont think people wonder about costumes.....of all the superhero movies only two explain the costume Batman Begins and Iron Man.Spider-man didnt, Daredevil didnt, X-men didnt, Blade didnt...hell they didnt explain Black Widow's costume in IM2....Watchmen didnt

[Droogoonie789]

As I mentioned above, the realism in comparing Peter's powers with clothes, things which actually exist, are two different things. There's no such thing as magic exact premade superhero suits (unless of course it's in the story, like a wrestling suit which would be another way to go about it ;) )

Simple, short scenes showing the suit creation would just fill gaps, I believe. People have moved from being awed by heroes such as in the original Superman films to wondering how they come to be today in superhero films.

Good call! :) Just a short scene or two explaining the costume would be fine.

I dont think people wonder about costumes.....of all the superhero movies only two explain the costume Batman Begins and Iron Man.Spider-man didnt, Daredevil didnt, X-men didnt, Blade didnt...hell they didnt explain Black Widow's costume in IM2....Watchmen didnt

Well Black Widow's costume was like spy gear...and Watchmen is epic, so it can do anything :D lol.

[Droogoonie789]

Edit: Double post.

[roach]

yeah but did we get a scene with her making her suit or describing it as a spy suit????
Are we gonna have a scene in the Superman reboot where he explains the shorts or the yellow S on his cape????

[Droogoonie789]

yeah but did we get a scene with her making her suit or describing it as a spy suit????
Are we gonna have a scene in the Superman reboot where he explains the shorts or the yellow S on his cape????

Methinks you're exaggerating a bit. The costumes still need a logical explanation.

[roach]

Why???
I have yet to hear a convincing arguement on why a costume needs to be explained

[Droogoonie789]

Why???
I have yet to hear a convincing arguement on why a costume needs to be explained

Yeah. I'm done talking about this. I was just stating an opinion that I think the costume should at least be explained a bit to it all makes sense within the realms of fiction. I'm not gonna argue over a superhero costume.

[Spidey8]

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5601/classicspidey1.jpg

[spidermanJLA!~]

http://www.reeltalktv.com/SpiderMan.jpg


This the way they should go, You've probably seen this alot, but I think this is awesome.

[spidermanJLA!~]

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5601/classicspidey1.jpg This is perfect. But a different symbol like the one in the Raimi series would be nice. And a tiny bit less tight. Some "outer regions" stand out.

[Chris Wallace]

I'm sure the audiences didn't hate the FF movies because the costumes were explained, dude.

That's not what I said. And the franchises that I mentioned DIDN'T fail miserably or they wouldn't have been franchises.

[Chris Wallace]

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/5601/classicspidey1.jpg

Not feeling the symbol; too 60's.

[rcazzy]

yeah but did we get a scene with her making her suit or describing it as a spy suit????
Are we gonna have a scene in the Superman reboot where he explains the shorts or the yellow S on his cape????

The reason we know why Black Widow had that suit is because she work's for a government agency who utilize high tech gear as we put together from having Fury and Stark involved and is a common thing in the mind of the public as to what these super qualified spies would have and not have us guessing if she built it herself considering SHIELD is a government agency who would provide these things.

Meanwhile, Superman's costume has been tried to be explained but not to the movie viewers as they accept it as that's how it was given to the public back in the 70s or earlier when a flying superhero was there for awe and to see him do amazing things and just given a heroic look in line with comics.

In the comic world, they had explained it was made from a blanket that Kal-El had wrapped around him in his Kryptonian pod, knitted by his mother (which led to problems with people asking why is it sometimes indestructable yet she can cut it :hehe:). I've found that people are still questioning it today, why is it so brightly coloured, even when knowing this is just 'how it is', they still want to know.

I think the :super: was best explained as the negative (yellow) space representing the House Of El as that's probably the most "not Superman's initial" you can make it while having relevance.

[Reikowolf]

I think the only ones who require an explanation for the Spider suit in the Raimi movies are the fanbois...these are the same guys who complain how he could create an awesome suit but complain that he didnt have mechanical webshooters

true words.

The explanation is very superficial as film is a visual medium. A montage clears up any and every little detail. We didn't need to know what material Raimi's Spider-Man suit was made of because we just assumed it was something a teenage kid could get his hands on.

the whole web argument is silly for the same reason, as long as it looks and functions as it did in the comic, the explanation is secondary.

character development and story for the plot should be the real concern.

[Chris Wallace]

Agreed.
And who's to say WHAT a teenage kid can get his hands on in this day & age, huh?

[blackbyrd]

Don't fix what ain't broken. It amazes me that so many people want to change a masterpiece. The classic suit has been around like 50 years and was created by a guy with more creativity (Stan Lee) in his pinky than most of us will ever dream of and somehow people think they should get a license to change whatever they want....seriously?

The Black suit in the last movies sucked. The comic version was way better.

[Chris Wallace]

Stan didn't actually create the costume.

[White_Knight191]

I wouldn't mind something like this:
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3433/conceptsp.gif (http://img168.imageshack.us/i/conceptsp.gif/)

[Chris Wallace]

A sweatshirt?

[roach]

and then to make it more in tune with modern teens make it a hoodi

[Chris Wallace]

Scarlet Spider on a budget?

[echostation]

make the costume more flame orange-red... brighter red flaring as opposed to a dull red... that or make the blue more light and firey,

also he should have webs between his crotch and his underarms like in the comic books

[Pac-Master]

make the costume more flame orange-red... brighter red flaring as opposed to a dull red... that or make the blue more light and firey,

also he should have webs between his crotch and his underarms like in the comic books
Um.... I don't think he ever had webs in that area.

[spidermanJLA!~]

make the costume more flame orange-red... brighter red flaring as opposed to a dull red... that or make the blue more light and firey,

also he should have webs between his crotch and his underarms like in the comic books


What? Underarms I get, but... What? What comics are YOU reading? Seriously.

[echostation]

Um they're planning on making it comically accurate... tell me how do spiders shoot webs... certainly not from their legs... they shoot webs from their ass

Spider-Man is going to be the same, he'll shoot webs from his ass

[spider-neil]

make the costume more flame orange-red... brighter red flaring as opposed to a dull red... that or make the blue more light and firey,

also he should have webs between his crotch and his underarms like in the comic books


I know spiders shoot webs out of their butts, but c'mon :awesome:

[Chris Wallace]

make the costume more flame orange-red... brighter red flaring as opposed to a dull red... that or make the blue more light and firey,

also he should have webs between his crotch and his underarms like in the comic books

Not liking the light blue suggestion.
As for the crotch thing-are you sure you're not thinking of "Spiderbabe"?

[roach]

did they turn this into a XXX version

[Rodrigo90]

Um they're planning on making it comically accurate... tell me how do spiders shoot webs... certainly not from their legs... they shoot webs from their ass

Spider-Man is going to be the same, he'll shoot webs from his ass

If youre being funny then my response is :lmao:

If youre being serious then my response is :lmao: :facepalm:

[roach]

you know nowadays its hard to tell if people are being serious or silly

[Ajendo]

if fanboys really are requesting the logistics of how peter is able to make such a cool spidey costume then screw'em. It's spider-man. Nobdoy gives a *****. Just be glad we're getting the costume, if we get mechs that would be even better but as it stands, I couldn't care less about mechs or orgs. I just want my spider-man.

[echostation]

would you like some cheese with your whine?

[spidermanJLA!~]

My costume ideas....

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9905/389g.jpg
















Symbol

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8397/spidermansymbollogo.jpg






Symbiote

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/8488/116lq.jpg

And I think the back symbol should be the beetle from the comics with pinchers on the top and a stinger on the bottom

[henzINNIT]

I can't believe anyone could try to link a successful franchise to its explanation of the hero's costume and gear... come on now.

[LegendaryCaleb]

Um they're planning on making it comically accurate... tell me how do spiders shoot webs... certainly not from their legs... they shoot webs from their ass

Spider-Man is going to be the same, he'll shoot webs from his ass
lol i think you are just havin fun with everyone...but if serious
how the hell is him shooting webs out his butt accurate to the comics?

[Tony Stark]

Rami's spider-man costume was largely based on the Romita drawn Spider-man. The new one I think should be more like the Ditko/McFarlane version by that I mean:

1.) tighter web design
2.) underarm web netting
3.) Huge eyes like McFarlane's

Other changes I think should be made:

1.) a bit darker colors, almost maroon red, and navy blue.
2.) lose the onlay webbing, go for more of a stiched in webbing.
3.) traditional comic spider on back. Front logo should be like a sewn on patch
4.) get more of a general "home made" look, but still reflect the classic outfit, and still look great on screen.

[mre]

Ditko and McFarlane had two completely different versions of the costume.
The version you are describing is much closer to the McFarlane version.

[spider-neil]

Ditko and McFarlane had two completely different versions of the costume.
The version you are describing is much closer to the McFarlane version.


ditko's and todd's designs are actually very similar, todd just has much more detailed webs

[Chris Wallace]

There were lots of little differences.
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr69/HotspurJohnny/marvel%20stuff/usaspiderman1pin-up.jpghttp://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/panther/960659-spider_super.jpg

[Atrax robustus]

I understand that changes are likely due to merchandise issues and I loved the Raimi movie suit. However I would like to see them use the Ultimate line of suit and have a slightly less bulky Spider-man.

I have to say that this thread seems much less aggrivated than than the related thread before the original Raimi movie came out. :P
Have Spidey fans relaxed a little? ;)

[Droogoonie789]

Rami's spider-man costume was largely based on the Romita drawn Spider-man. The new one I think should be more like the Ditko/McFarlane version by that I mean:

1.) tighter web design
2.) underarm web netting
3.) Huge eyes like McFarlane's

Other changes I think should be made:

1.) a bit darker colors, almost maroon red, and navy blue.
2.) lose the onlay webbing, go for more of a stiched in webbing.
3.) traditional comic spider on back. Front logo should be like a sewn on patch
4.) get more of a general "home made" look, but still reflect the classic outfit, and still look great on screen.

I'm diggin everything except for the underarm netting. But if they could pull it off somehow, I wouldn't mind it.

[Chris Wallace]

I understand that changes are likely due to merchandise issues and I loved the Raimi movie suit. However I would like to see them use the Ultimate line of suit and have a slightly less bulky Spider-man.

I have to say that this thread seems much less aggrivated than than the related thread before the original Raimi movie came out. :P
Have Spidey fans relaxed a little? ;)

You haven't spent much time on this thread obviously.

[TheWallCrawler]

what if they made the costume look like that the read parts of the suit were light steel plating which have the webs and the spiders sprayed on? Except the mask ofcourse

[roach]

why would they do that

[Chris Wallace]

what if they made the costume look like that the read parts of the suit were light steel plating which have the webs and the spiders sprayed on? Except the mask ofcourse

:barf:
Seriously, it's hard to visualize from that description but it doesn't sound good at all. Why would we want it to look armored?

[TheWallCrawler]

:barf:
Seriously, it's hard to visualize from that description but it doesn't sound good at all. Why would we want it to look armored?

well when I think about it I guess it's a terrible idea:woot: I just wan't something that looks cool. Don't care if it's not realistic

[Nebins]

I would love it if the costume had the same look and feel as the Kick-Ass costume. Not the colors of course, it should still have Spidey's design. But I loved the general homemade look and fit of the costume. It really felt like this kid made it.

[Doctor Jones]

Dude, I don't need a homemade feeling. It's suspension of disbelief. A homemade look would look hokey. Even in the comics, it doesn't look a thing where a kid could have made it out of his room. Where did he get the material? What is the material? How did he get the webs or what is is made out of? Who cares? I just want it to look good. I'm not going to be thinking how he made it when he'd going his stuff. Kick Ass was a wannabe hero. It fit in context what that film was all about and it worked because of that. This isn't Nolan's Spider-Man. It's cool to know how bruce got his suit, because it works in what Nolan's trying to tell, the more realistic aspect. There is nothing realistic about the idea of Spider-Man at all, so with that, there is no point in telling how it's made. At the end of the day if put in the film, it's only useless information.

[Nebins]

Dude, I don't need a homemade feeling. It's suspension of disbelief. A homemade look would look hokey. Even in the comics, it doesn't look a thing where a kid could have made it out of his room. Where did he get the material? What is the material? How did he get the webs or what is is made out of? Who cares? I just want it to look good. I'm not going to be thinking how he made it when he'd going his stuff. Kick Ass was a wannabe hero. It fit in context what that film was all about and it worked because of that. This isn't Nolan's Spider-Man. It's cool to know how bruce got his suit, because it works in what Nolan's trying to tell, the more realistic aspect. There is nothing realistic about the idea of Spider-Man at all, so with that, there is no point in telling how it's made. At the end of the day if put in the film, it's only useless information.

You may not need a homemade feeling but I personally like it. I'm not saying to replace it for the rest of the franchise but I think it would be kind of cool if his first costume had a homemade feeling. The changes in his costume could represent the changes in his personality. As he becomes more mature and gets better at being a hero his costume could become more heroic.

[TheWallCrawler]

I don't know if any of you have noticed but sam raimi tried the homemade look in his first spiderman movie in the beginning of the movie when spidey's in the wrestling match. Actually to me it was quite effective and cool, but as you know that costume was only temporary solution for Peter Parker and I was fine with that. I think that if they'll have the homemade look on the costume it wont last for the whole movie.

[SpeterMan3]

You may not need a homemade feeling but I personally like it. I'm not saying to replace it for the rest of the franchise but I think it would be kind of cool if his first costume had a homemade feeling. The changes in his costume could represent the changes in his personality. As he becomes more mature and gets better at being a hero his costume could become more heroic.
I can support that idea. :up:
I don't know if any of you have noticed but sam raimi tried the homemade look in his first spiderman movie in the beginning of the movie when spidey's in the wrestling match. Actually to me it was quite effective and cool, but as you know that costume was only temporary solution for Peter Parker and I was fine with that. I think that if they'll have the homemade look on the costume it wont last for the whole movie.
Yep. My concern with using a more homemade costume at first is that the GA might think it's like a ripoff or whatever of the first movie. That is, if they remember those scenes.

[Spider-Dude]

I think some kind of organic aspect to the red and blue suit would be interesting.

[Chris Wallace]

I think some kind of organic aspect to the red and blue suit would be interesting.

I have no idea what that means.

[spider-neil]

I have no idea what that means.

I suspect it means the webs drawn with freeflowing wavey lines rather than regimented blocks of webs

[Chris Wallace]

Someone posted something along those lines earlier in the thread.

[chaseter]

No under arm web netting...EVER:o

[Chris Wallace]

Any particular reason? I go back & forth on it myself. My bigest worries about it are that if done wrong it could either A-restrict his movement or B-sag when he lowers his arms, which would just look tacky. (See "New Fantastic Four" story arc for a visual reference on the latter) Or worse, they could try to give it a practical purpose-like glider wings or some such nonsense.

[chaseter]

I think it looks dumb is my reason. It serves to functionality and it looks hoaky.

[mre]

The webs under the arms are awesome. They are so classic. More people need to accept the webs are cool.

[spider-neil]

I think it looks dumb is my reason. It serves to functionality and it looks hoaky.

it looks cool, that's reason enough

* why does captain america have little white wings on his head?
* why does flash have gold wings on his head?
* why does wonder woman need an invisible plane?
* how could namor's ankle wings keep him aloft?

if it looks cool it does have to be practical or have a reason for existing

[Chris Wallace]

You left out Batman's "ears".

[roach]

and if reports are to believed Cap wont have his wings in his movie