Keep the ORGANICS or WEB SHOOTERS???!!!!

[lemonlyellow]

Orangic webshooter..yikess, gross, boring... even spider man said that too ;)

[chaseter]

I wince everytime someone says they prefer organics.

I despise organics. They simplify the character in my opinion. Mechanical webshooters and synthetic formula are far more inspired and add more sophistication.

Boy gets bit by a spider and grows spider organs. Gross and boring.

Boy gains partial abilities of a spider then completes his set of skills with technological innovation. The book smarts that made Peter a "loser" socially become his greatest asset as a superhero. Spider-man isn't just a victim of circumstance, he's a self-made super-hero with a super-mind to go along with his super-body. Provocative and interesting.
I prefer organics. Wince away.

It imo is one of the biggest WTFs to me from Stan Lee. There is nothing that differentiates Spider-Man from Ant-Man, Beetle-Man, Termite-Man, Geeko-Man, Fly-Man, yada yada.

What is the first thing that pops into your head when you think of spiders? Is it their ability to crawl on walls? No. Is it their strength? No. It is their ability to spin webs. Yes. So why oh why would a radioactive spider bite give Peter super strength, the ability to crawl on walls, precognition, but no ability to spin webs?

Peter Parker can still be brilliant without mechs. The way he defeats his villains is reliant upon his brilliance. He can even still keep some of his gadgets like his Spider Tracers to showcase his brilliance.

Boy gets bit by a spider and has to build devices to give him the abilities of a spider. Dumb and boring. This is one of the aspects that imo I think Lee got wrong. I love Spider-Man but mechs have always made me go WTF. It would be like the Human Torch having to light himself on fire to be able to flame on. It would be like Professor Xavier having to wear a helmet to be able to read people's minds at any level. It would be like Electro having to be constantly hooked up to an electrical source to be able to produce electricity. What's the point?

[MessiahDecoy123]

Why would all Spider-man's powers be genetic when most of his greatest villians use technology to fight(Dr.Ock, Green Goblin)?

Organic webs is the only power that would require Peter Parker to grow internal spider organs. That's taking him too far into circus freak territory. Mechanical webshooters avoid any loss of humanity. Organics are gross, if it happened in real life that person would shoot themselves (see Jeff Goldblum's The Fly).

and nothing is brilliant about spider-tracers these days. It's a basic gps tracker.

Theres nothing boring about a teenager inventing synthetic web formula and web shooters. Those are awesome innovations that Iron Man or Batman would envy. Add to the fact that Peter Parker was teased for his book smarts and they became his greatest asset as a superhero and you have a classic character arc.

[chaseter]

Are you really going to get technical on what would have to occur inside Peter for him to have the abilities that he does? Spiders don't have pre-cognition so where the hell did he get the ability to sense danger? Did his brain become re-wired from the radioactive spider bite then giving him the ability to sense the immediate future? Did a part of his brain grow larger? Did a new chemical inducing organ grow in his brain to send chemical signals to receptors allowing him to sense danger?

What about him sticking to walls? How does that happen?

[Troy_Parker]

Are you really going to get technical on what would have to occur inside Peter for him to have the abilities that he does? Spiders don't have pre-cognition so where the hell did he get the ability to sense danger? Did his brain become re-wired from the radioactive spider bite then giving him the ability to sense the immediate future? Did a part of his brain grow larger? Did a new chemical inducing organ grow in his brain to send chemical signals to receptors allowing him to sense danger?

What about him sticking to walls? How does that happen?

He developed a stick'um gland. :D

[Whiskey Tango]

What about him sticking to walls? How does that happen?

It's a comic book.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Are you really going to get technical on what would have to occur inside Peter for him to have the abilities that he does? Spiders don't have pre-cognition so where the hell did he get the ability to sense danger? Did his brain become re-wired from the radioactive spider bite then giving him the ability to sense the immediate future? Did a part of his brain grow larger? Did a new chemical inducing organ grow in his brain to send chemical signals to receptors allowing him to sense danger?

What about him sticking to walls? How does that happen?
I guess you like Raimi's explanation: hairy palms.

Radioactive energy is the perfect catalyst because the everyman doesn't understand how it works it could be used to explain just about any mutation. Genetic modification has less flexability.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Another cool thing about mechs is everytime Parker shoots his web you're reminded that he's a scientific genius and mental powerhouse to be reckoned with.

Everytime.

What does organics remind you of? Nothing except that body fluid is being left all over the city.

[chaseter]

It's a comic book.
Exactly...so what is so crazy about organics:huh:

[chaseter]

Another cool thing I love about mechs is everytime Parker shoots his web you're reminded that he's a scientific genius and mental force to be reckoned with.

Everytime.

What does organics remind you of? Nothing except that body fluid is being left all over the city.

He's a scientific genius that has a career in photographer and has the intelligence to make a polymer to mimic webbing and also create a tiny device that has the ability to store thousands of feet of the polymer and the psi to shoot it hundreds of yards but he chooses to make next to nothing selling pictures of Spider-Man. GENIUS!

[Whiskey Tango]

Exactly...so what is so crazy about organics:huh:

I don't think they're particularly bad or anything. I'd just prefer to see a more science-focused Peter building a pair of shooters this time.

[MessiahDecoy123]

He's a scientific genius that has a career in photographer and has the intelligence to make a polymer to mimic webbing and also create a tiny device that has the ability to store thousands of feet of the polymer and the psi to shoot it hundreds of yards but he chooses to make next to nothing selling pictures of Spider-Man. GENIUS!
Better than selling pizzas in the Raimi-verse.

I don't think Parker could split school, a full-time career and saving the city. By taking pictures while fighting crime he's killing two birds with one stone.

He doesn't even have to spend hours working, he can patrol the city. Genius!

[MessiahDecoy123]

Exactly...so what is so crazy about organics:huh:
I didn't say they were crazy. I said they were disgusting.

What's next? Should Spider-girl lay tiny eggs.

[chaseter]

Better than selling pizzas in the Raimi-verse.

I don't think Parker could split school, a full-time career and saving the city. By taking pictures while fighting crime he's killing two birds with one stone.

He doesn't even have to spend hours working, he can patrol the city. Genius!

You are like a child. Well better than the Raimi verse.

He still worked at the Bugle in the Raimi verse:dry::dry::dry::dry::dry::dry::dry::dry:

[spider-neil]

stan lee actually tackled the reason why peter hadn't sold his web formula to make a mint. the reason being the scientists could think of a practicle why of using an adhesive that only stayed solid for an hour.

personally for me I want mechs for 2 reasons
a) it shows his genuis
b) it shows the general audience that is isn't raimi's spider-man anymore

[chaseter]

Crazy string. Peter Parker would be a millionaire.

[Whiskey Tango]

Crazy string. Peter Parker would be a millionaire.

Crazy string that completely immobilized someone for an hour? Can you say lawsuit?

[chaseter]

Plus its highly flammable.

[Spider-Boy]

Admit it, we all want to see Spider-Man fighting a villain and say "Out of web fluid, not now!" Similar to the banks scene with Doc in SM2? And if that doesn't ring a bell then just think of the 90's series, I loved when it happened, I have no idea why... It just added a little pinch of realism to an already unrealistic scenario. Balances out I suppose.

[chaseter]

Running out of webbing every battle or one battle in every movie is too gimmicky. If they had mechs I would be okay with him running out a couple of battles to make the audience aware what can happen and then just be done with running out of webbing. I want each villain to become increasingly harder to fight and Spidey running into problems with the villain and not his webbing every single time. It's like Batman running out of Gadgets or Bond running out of ammo. Yeah it works a couple of times but it would be lame if it happened a lot.

[Spideyfan93]

http://www.steadyburn.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/johnnydepp5.jpg

Suspension of disbelief anyone? I say ORGANIC!

[Compi716]

I can't help but think they'll be going with mechanical webshooters in the film, if it actually is a true reboot. "Why?" you may ask? With the casting of Peter's parents, and with the webbing formula an invention of Richard Parker in the Ultimate universe, it seems like there are plenty of opportunities to explore the idea and origins of mechanical webshooters.

[MessiahDecoy123]

You are like a child. Well better than the Raimi verse.

He still worked at the Bugle in the Raimi verse:dry::dry::dry::dry::dry::dry::dry::dry:
Did I say everything Peter did was inappropriate in the Raimi verse? no.

I specifically referenced pizza delivery.

and that stupid moped.

[ASM*]

Something tells me were getting web-shooters in this reboot.


:word:

(Just a hunch)

[Ajendo]

Agreed. If there's one thing that needs to be an obvious variation from Raimi's efforts besides the obvious recasting, it's that spidey should have mechanical web shooters.

[spider-neil]

so peter's invention of a fluid that stays solid for one hour only would make him rich? really?

[Alex The Great]

Better than selling pizzas in the Raimi-verse.

I don't think Parker could split school, a full-time career and saving the city. By taking pictures while fighting crime he's killing two birds with one stone.

He doesn't even have to spend hours working, he can patrol the city. Genius!
Hey look kids, another Anti-Raimi troll!

C'Mon, guy. He's a teenager. Plenty of teenagers deliver Pizzas to stay afloat financially. It makes him easier to relate

[ALP]

I'm really not sure I'd buy the mechanics in a film. I mean how would he be able to create massive amounts of webbing to fit into such a small devise? If he were wearing a massive container on his back full of compressed webbing with wires that wrapped around his arm that would be one thing, but it all fits in this incredible small cartridge that slips onto his wrist and seemingly doesn't stick out from the costume.

The idea of being biten by a radioactive spider and gaining powers is altering science into the supernatural but the mechanical webshooters is a completely different method of altering science. In the comics and all of the animated shows I was fine with it, but things just work differently for cinema. Not for a second do I believe Marc Webb will use mechanical web.

[Alex The Great]

ALP. The Web Cartridges are highly pressurized. That's why it looks like he can shoot so much.

[ALP]

So pressurized he can shoot hundreds upon hundreds of feet of web in a cartridge so thin it doesn't even stick out from the wrist of his costume.


lawlz

[SpeterMan3]

HIGHLY pressurized! :cmad:















:cmad:

[Whiskey Tango]

So pressurized he can shoot hundreds upon hundreds of feet of web in a cartridge so thin it doesn't even stick out from the wrist of his costume.


lawlz

Dude can stick to walls and throw cars too. Crazy eh?

[Alex The Great]

There's some sort of scientific explanation out there, perhaps on the Marvel site. Do some research before you bust out the "lawlz" :whatever:

[ALP]

Dude can stick to walls and throw cars too. Crazy eh?
The idea of being bitten by a radioactive spider and gaining powers is altering science into the supernatural but the mechanical webshooters is a completely different method of altering science.

There's some sort of scientific explanation out there,
Of course there is.

http://cdn.dealsdirect.net/m/products/501/8501/1/product1_8501.jpg

perhaps on the Marvel site. Do some research before you bust out the "lawlz" :whatever:

Have I angered the mechanical web shooter fans? Have I dared to place a vote in the poll? Have I attempted to state an opinion? :wow:

lawl

[Whiskey Tango]

The idea of being bitten by a radioactive spider and gaining powers is altering science into the supernatural but the mechanical webshooters is a completely different method of altering science.

*NEWSFLASH* This is not real world science we're talking about. It's comic book SCIENCE!. Your priorities are terribly misplaced.

And I can talk in all italics too.

[Alex The Great]

http://cdn.dealsdirect.net/m/products/501/8501/1/product1_8501.jpg

:doh:

[SpeterMan3]

I think when we state our opinions we should expect them to be debated and not be offended when someone defends the side to the contrary. Just saying.

[ALP]

*NEWSFLASH* This is not real world science we're talking about. It's comic book SCIENCE!. Your priorities are terribly misplaced.

And I can talk in all italics too.

It's in italics because it was copied from another post.

Your newsflash is about as relevant as ma rainey's black bottom. I know it's comic science, but it's still got to be believable. I don't give less than two cents about realism, but believability is everything.

As far as priorities, I get up, have a cappuccino, and go to class on the weekdays. Hang with friends, have a bit to eat, and come to the hype when time permits. I'd say my priorities are placed well, but if you don't think so, feel free. I'm just here to sit back and shoot the shiz, the people that twirl their fingers over a little discussion are the ones that need to take a deep breath. Cheers mate.

[Whiskey Tango]

no.

[ALP]

no.

I read your original post before your edit. You mentioned me whining about my opinion being attacked but the second 'lawl' and the smiley clearly showed I was being tongue in cheek as just about all of my posts in this thread are. You're mentioning priorities in a thread dedicated to a rather meaningless discussion that really doesn't make a world of difference, mate. Well unless Mark Webb is going to use this thread as the basis for his film. You talk about where priorities lay but priorities and this thread have absolutely nothing to do with each other, a daft thing to even suggest. And I will enjoy my cappuccinos chap, far better than coffee.

[Whiskey Tango]

Your "lawls" come across as dickish instead of tongue in cheek.

But congratulations, I guess.

[Alex The Great]

You have a cappuccinos in the morning? The **** is this? Get a cup of Joe :cmad:

[MessiahDecoy123]

Hey look kids, another Anti-Raimi troll!

C'Mon, guy. He's a teenager. Plenty of teenagers deliver Pizzas to stay afloat financially. It makes him easier to relate
You can praise Raimi but you can't criticize him? :whatever:

[SpeterMan3]

Not sure how providing a rebuttal counts as not 'allowing' criticism.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Not sure how providing a rebuttal counts as not 'allowing' criticism.
When someone labels another a troll based on that criticism.

[ALP]

Your "lawls" come across as dickish instead of tongue in cheek.

But congratulations, I guess.

They say the same thing about Greggory House. We just can't cut a break.

You have a cappuccinos in the morning? The **** is this? Get a cup of Joe :cmad:
Bah!

But moving on, shall we? Now as I insert my monocole and play the latest Gioachino album(see, this is suppose to show how sophisticated I am), I wager seven and a half shillings that mechanical webshooters will not be in this movie. If they are I will not see the film, will boycott, and even stop bootlegging all of those old Stan Lee comics that are far too expensive to purchase hard copies of. Will I really? No, not at all. Because it's not a big deal. Though I am greatly in favor of organic webshooters, I can certainly find a middle ground for the mechanics. Going by the mechanical devise that Raimi was originally going to use(which looked quite cool), I'd be willing to buy into the idea if he's keeping numerous refills somewhere in those spidey trousers.

However I contend the best part about the organic webshooters was just the fact that it added such an important spider trait- rendering it natural for him. Without it, his other powers really could have come from numerous different critters.

[MessiahDecoy123]

C'Mon, guy. He's a teenager. Plenty of teenagers deliver Pizzas to stay afloat financially. It makes him easier to relate
I prefer Peter Parker stay out of the fast food industry. He's supposed to battle mental heavy weights like Dr.Ock and Green Goblin.

There's other ways to make him relatable. Show him fall asleep in class because he was up late doing other things. Show him nervous about talking to a girl. Show him being worried about Aunt May's bills.

We don't need to see Peter Parker serving fast food. That's like Reed Richards working as a used car salesman.

[MessiahDecoy123]

However I contend the best part about the organic webshooters was just the fact that it added such an important spider trait- rendering it natural for him. Without it, his other powers really could have come from numerous different critters.
You can get that same effect from Peter inventing web formula. It's exactly what a spider would do if it were trapped in a human body.

The fact that Peter comes up with the most important spider trait using his God-given intelligence is proof that he was destined to become Spider-man. Few others could've achieved it even if they were bitten.

[SpeterMan3]

When someone labels another a troll based on that criticism.
Touché.

[spider-neil]

So pressurized he can shoot hundreds upon hundreds of feet of web in a cartridge so thin it doesn't even stick out from the wrist of his costume.


lawlz

how does batman fit all his gadgets in his utility belt?

[MessiahDecoy123]

So pressurized he can shoot hundreds upon hundreds of feet of web in a cartridge so thin it doesn't even stick out from the wrist of his costume.


lawlz
how can organic shooters fit in his normal sized fore-arm? That doesn't leave much room for bone and muscle.

[ALP]

how does batman fit all his gadgets in his utility belt?

In Nolan's world at least, I'm pretty sure just about every gadget Batman used could fit on his belt!

how can organic shooters fit in his normal sized fore-arm? That doesn't leave much room for bone and muscle.

Because as I have explained, being bit by a radioactive spider and gaining superpowers is in itself taking science and turning it into the impossible supernatural. On the other hand the web shooters he creates is just stretching implausibility. It's just bending science as opposed to taking it in the realm of the supernatural. The two are on the opposite end of the spectrum. But by any means I far prefer your first stance.

You can get that same effect from Peter inventing web formula. It's exactly what a spider would do if it were trapped in a human body.

The fact that Peter comes up with the most important spider trait using his God-given intelligence is proof that he was destined to become Spider-man. Few others could've achieved it even if they were bitten.

:up::up:

[Mary Jane Watson]

Web Shooter! to less the BS about spider man

[NinjaCarm]

I prefer web-shooters all the way. Good reason No. 43 on the list to differentiate from the prior trilogy.

[Gamma Burst]

Web shooters,please. I want this Spider-Man to be as close as possible to his comic version.

[Ultimate Doom]

meh, who cares. It wont affect the story anways

[storyteller]

Without organics he's just Captain America/Daredevil with a gimmick. Anyone remember how easy it was for Peter to come up with several alternate identities in the 90's?

[dan1]

Mechanical Web Shooter and follow him building them, or you may has well call Raimi back in to make SM4.

This shouldn't even be an option.

It just makes me shake my head and wonder what you think of the first 30-40 years of Spider-Man comics that you are okay with organic webs?

My guess is most people who like organic webs did not grow up with Spider-Man comics being there most favorite escape.

Some maybe, but not most. Because those that grew up reading him 3 times a month as the most important escape of their life would find organic webs only as a lazy copout and not a true translation.

I am almost positive that there will be mechs this time and it most certainly will make the feel of the story, and story itself different this time around. It will feel more real and at the same time more like the actual comic book, and guess what, the whole country is still going to see it anyway, so Sony doesn't have to get all worried about there demographic money if they make the film "too geeky."

I think Sony was forced to grow some balls after watching BB and TDK.

Thank you Christopher Nolan (and Del Toro) for truly trying to get it right FIRST.

[NinjaCarm]

meh, who cares. It wont affect the story anways

There's a whole thready devoted to it that's who cares:whatever:

[MessiahDecoy123]

Without organics he's just Captain America/Daredevil with a gimmick. Anyone remember how easy it was for Peter to come up with several alternate identities in the 90's?
How does organics add anything to the character.

It's basically boy gets bit by spider, boy becomes partially a spider.

Nothing special at all.

[Ultimate Doom]

There's a whole thready devoted to it that's who cares:whatever:

Whether or not Peter has webshooters or organics wont change the fact that spiderman has to stop lizard/whoever, Captain Stacy dying or Peter struggling to balance his personal life with crime-fighting. Its a minuscule detail to an overarching storyline that is only argued over for the sake of closeness to the orginal source and some people think it needs to be "realistic".

[NinjaCarm]

Whether or not Peter has webshooters or organics wont change the fact that spiderman has to stop lizard/whoever, Captain Stacy dying or Peter struggling to balance his personal life with crime-fighting. Its a minuscule detail to an overarching storyline that is only argued over for the sake of closeness to the orginal source.

yeah, i understand, i do, but it's an important aspect of the character's mythology, given the live action form of this character, people will discuss it that's all

[dan1]

Did you grow up reading Spider-Man comics?

Was he your favorite character to read growing up?

Did you read him through the 60's, 70's or 80's?

If the answer to these are no I don't see how you should have a say in this decision. This movie is being rebooted to become truer to the source material, just as Nolan made BB and TDK truer to the source material.

Sony had to grow balls to make the film more geeky and less hollywood.

I mean no offense by my questions. Most people just cannot understand the passion of an old school Spider-Man comic book fanatic and how important it would be to get the movie translation as close to the source material as possible. Don't worry if you don't care either way, or you'd prefer organic webs, you'll still see the movie and like it anyway, just as I saw and like the first 3 movies even though I hated the organics and treatment of MJ-Gwen and GG.

[Ultimate Doom]

yeah, i understand, i do, but it's an important aspect of the character's mythology, given the live action form of this character, people will discuss it that's all

Oh yeah for sure and its understandable, personally its just not something i can say im too worried about.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Whether or not Peter has webshooters or organics wont change the fact that spiderman has to stop lizard/whoever, Captain Stacy dying or Peter struggling to balance his personal life with crime-fighting. Its a minuscule detail to an overarching storyline that is only argued over for the sake of closeness to the orginal source and some people think it needs to be "realistic".
It adds Parker's technological contribution to his own identity as Spider-man the same way Dr.Ock and Green Goblin have technological advacements that contribute to their identity.

It makes Peter Parker someone destined to become Spider-man rather than a simply victim of circumstance. It would be obvious that only a book worm/prodigy like Parker could've become Spider-man.

It allows Peter to chemically alter his webbing formula to combat foes like Electro, Rhino and Mysterio as he does in the comics.

It clearly puts Peter in the brainy class of superheroes like Reed Richards and Tony Starks where he belongs.

Peter can run out of webbing during battle adding to the suspense and innovative fight scenes.

Things like impact webbing and the "I love you" hand sign Parker uses actually make sense in context of a webshooter that can be calibrated and triggered.

Mechanical webshooters add alot to the story and character.

[chaseter]

Did you grow up reading Spider-Man comics?

Was he your favorite character to read growing up?

Did you read him through the 60's, 70's or 80's?

If the answer to these are no I don't see how you should have a say in this decision. This movie is being rebooted to become truer to the source material, just as Nolan made BB and TDK truer to the source material.

Sony had to grow balls to make the film more geeky and less hollywood.

I mean no offense by my questions. Most people just cannot understand the passion of an old school Spider-Man comic book fanatic and how important it would be to get the movie translation as close to the source material as possible. Don't worry if you don't care either way, or you'd prefer organic webs, you'll still see the movie and like it anyway, just as I saw and like the first 3 movies even though I hated the organics and treatment of MJ-Gwen and GG.
That statement invalidates the rest of your post so I stopped reading it.

[A Necessary Evil]

just as Nolan made BB and TDK truer to the source material.

Yeah because :

Rachel Dawes totally wasn't made up for this series
Joker isn't permawhite and does have scars
Batman relies on Fox 99% of the time
Bruce was trained by ninjas.

[A Necessary Evil]

just as Nolan made BB and TDK truer to the source material.

Yeah because :

Rachel Dawes totally wasn't made up for this series
Joker isn't permawhite and does have scars
Batman relies on Fox 99% of the time
Bruce was trained by ninjas.

[chaseter]

Harvey Dent was scarred by gasoline in the comics and his motivation for killing was always Rachel Dawes. That Nolan!

[A Necessary Evil]

Oh, I must have missed that point of issue, I guess I am no batfan :o

:oldrazz:

[NinjaCarm]

Oh yeah for sure and its understandable, personally its just not something i can say im too worried about.

I hear ya, it wasn't a killer for me in Raimi's Spider-Man at all, but this time around, I would prefer web-shooters.

[ALP]

Did you grow up reading Spider-Man comics?

Was he your favorite character to read growing up?

Did you read him through the 60's, 70's or 80's?

If the answer to these are no I don't see how you should have a say in this decision.

But did the writer and director of this film read Spider-Man through the 60s-80s? They're both relatively young.

Yeah because :

Rachel Dawes totally wasn't made up for this series
Joker isn't permawhite and does have scars
Batman relies on Fox 99% of the time
Bruce was trained by ninjas.

Don't forget he was trained by a white Ra's Al Ghul!:wow:

[chaseter]

You guys Nolan is a god and he stayed 100% faithful to Batman.

[Sky Captain]

When I picture the organic webbing, I just think he's shooting snot.

That's gross.

[chaseter]

The webbing looks the same???? He invented a formula for snot.

[A Necessary Evil]

Don't forget he was trained by a white Ra's Al Ghul!:wow:

Damn I forgot. :facepalm:


You guys Nolan is a god and he stayed 100% faithful to Batman.

Nolan is not god. That is underrating him. :wow::wow::wow:



*In all seriousness I love nolan but this double standard pisses me off*

[dan1]

make fun all you want. You know Nolan got Batman way "more right" than Burton or anyone else ever has, on celluloid.

If you deny that you are really just playing the inferiority game.

Just don't cry about it (I'm sure you will) when Spidey is treated like the 80's comic books (the very height of his popularity in comic book form) and the movie is less camp, less hollywood, and more geeky and "real feeling," .....like Nolan's Batman.

Again, almost anyone that was engrossed with Spider-Man comic books in the 80's, people who read those comic books wrinkled, would choose mech webs, which leaves me to the point that if you are not a Spider-Man comic book reader first and foremost, over all other comic book characters and popular culture escapes, you don't really have a say this time around.

Sony realizes that they have to speak a truer translation this time. They know they will make the $$ anyway this time around w/o having to bend for a marketing demographic.

They have watched BB and TDK rake in the dough and the critics and Harry Potter make 7 huge films, staying true to the philosophy of "more geeky, less hollywood."

[NinjaCarm]

make fun all you want. You know Nolan got Batman way "more right" than Burton or anyone else ever has, on celluloid.

If you deny that you are really just playing the inferiority game.

Just don't cry about it (I'm sure you will) when Spidey is treated like the 80's comic books (the very height of his popularity in comic book form) and the movie is less camp, less hollywood, and more geeky and "real feeling," .....like Nolan's Batman.

Again, almost anyone that was engrossed with Spider-Man comic books in the 80's, people who read those comic books wrinkled, would choose mech webs, which leaves me to the point that if you are not a Spider-Man comic book reader first and foremost, over all other comic book characters and popular culture escapes, you don't really have a say this time around.

Sony realizes that they have to speak a truer translation this time. They know they will make the $$ anyway this time around w/o having to bend for a marketing demographic.

They have watched BB and TDK rake in the dough and the critics and Harry Potter make 7 huge films, staying true to the philosophy of "more geeky, less hollywood."

One of the best post I've readin in a long time. Bravo for you. Bravo.

Spider-Man (Raimi's) sold because it was... wait for it.... SPIDER-MAN.

More sophistcated films came along, people are noticing, and in turn we are all hoping for a more truer, less campy, jokey, hokey, tonque in cheek make my skin grate franchise this time around.

[chaseter]

Got more right is a relative opinion. Truer to the source material/more faithful is fact. In you opinion he did Batman better. That's fine, I agree. Did he make Batman more faithful or truer to the source material? No. I am all for creative changes if they work and they still keep the large core of the universe and its characters. However, too many people around here have a double standard when it comes to being faithful to the comics and that hypocrisy is extremely blatant.

[A Necessary Evil]

make fun all you want. You know Nolan got Batman way "more right" than Burton or anyone else ever has, on celluloid.

If you deny that you are really just playing the inferiority game.

You do know, that Burton was never really that interested in batman anyways?

Again, almost anyone that was engrossed with Spider-Man comic books in the 80's, people who read those comic books wrinkled, would choose mech webs, which leaves me to the point that if you are not a Spider-Man comic book reader first and foremost, over all other comic book characters and popular culture escapes, you don't really have a say this time around.

What gives you more say than somene else? Because you've read more comics than another user? Damn, thats great authority. :dry: :whatever: I like batman more than superman, guess I have zero say in how I want the next film to be like.

Once again...address my post where I list all the things nolan adapted and changed....for an adaptation.

[dan1]

I said above 'laugh now,' yeah Nolan changed things, but he surely got Batman truer to the comics than anyone that has ever put Batman on celluloid.

You cannot deny that. Please do if you want though.

I'm not saying I have more authority or more of a right then you do.

What I am saying is this series will be "more geeky" and "less Hollywood" and therefore it will be a closer translation to the comic books during the absolute height of the popularity of the Spider-Man comic books (roughly 1975-1990)

I think Nolan made a Batman that the intense Batman comic book reader would love first, and he assumed right that the rest of the world would therefore love it too.

I see this Spider-Man vehicle as treating Spider-Man the way the movies treated Harry Potter, leave somethings out, but get it all right.

Therefore Mech webs, hidden MJ, Gwen as first love, Gwen dying, etc.

Please don't take any offense. I just meant Sony will make close to a Billion worldwide on Spider-Man no matter what, so they know this time they may as well get it truer to the source material.

And if you aren't a dye in the wool Spider-Man comics source material guy, your opinion on the webbing for this vehicle is in my opinion a mute one.

I am sorry if that sounds hurtful.

[A Necessary Evil]

So, I love spider-man. Been a fan since....as far back as I can remember, but I haven't read all his comics.


So, my opinions = mute now, right? :dry:

[NinjaCarm]

Don't worry dan1, I hear what you're saying.

[dan1]

So, I love spider-man. Been a fan since....as far back as I can remember, but I haven't read all his comics.


So, my opinions = mute now, right? :dry:

"read all his comics?" c'mon, I'm not saying that. Read a LOT of his comics and he's your favorite comic book superhero, the comic book version being the most important part of your childhood?.....yes, that's what I'm saying.......as far as your opinion on the book to translation of this latest vehicle.

Because simply put, they are telling the story this time truer to the source, ie Severus, like the Harry Potter movies did.

They WILL do mechs, they will (obviously) do Gwen, they will do a hidden MJ at first that he always seems to just miss, they will do Gwen's death.

Unlike the Raimi movies which were so obviously taking continuous liberties, f-ing "MJ/Gwen Hybrid character" for Pete's sake! I really don't see much of a say of the "what they can try is this" or "maybe they'll do that"

I see it more akin to the Potter movies, they will just stick to the truest source this time around. That includes mechs for more reasons than can fit on a piece of oak tag.

You are Severus. I could only imagine if the last 7 Potter movies changed anything big.

Mechs to the Spider-Man comic book aficionado are, for the majority, big.

[dan1]

Don't worry dan1, I hear what you're saying.

Thanks! :yay:

I meant no offense nor do I think I am in any way a bigger Spider-man fan than anyone here.

[zanos]

There's no point to rebooting a series if you're not going to do it right. This is their second chance to do a properly adapted Spider-man film, not a Spider-man film that borrows heavily off Richard Donner's Superman films.

[Ajendo]

There's no point to rebooting a series if you're not going to do it right. This is their second chance to do a properly adapted Spider-man film, not a Spider-man film that borrows heavily off Richard Donner's Superman films.

Oh snap!

[NinjaCarm]

There's no point to rebooting a series if you're not going to do it right. This is their second chance to do a properly adapted Spider-man film, not a Spider-man film that borrows heavily off Richard Donner's Superman films.

No, that was Raimi's films.

[chaseter]

There's no point to rebooting a series if you're not going to do it right. This is their second chance to do a properly adapted Spider-man film, not a Spider-man film that borrows heavily off Richard Donner's Superman films.

I can think of one scene in SM1 and one from SM2 that were in the Richard Donner Superman. Please list them. It would be interesting to see everything Raimi borrowed.

[A Necessary Evil]

I can think of one scene in SM1 and one from SM2 that were in the Richard Donner Superman. Please list them. It would be interesting to see everything Raimi borrowed.

Well I mean he totally ripped off the "I don't wanna be a superhero" and Spider-Man fighting off his dark side. One of which was a comic and small element in the 90s TAS :o:awesome:

[El Payaso]

What about the shirt ripping shots? That's beyond bare-facedness. And unfunny.

[Gamma Burst]

What about the shirt ripping shots? That's beyond bare-facedness. And unfunny.

And it got old really fast...

[spider-neil]

I've read spidey comics for years and anything I didn't buy off the shelves I bought in trades (dikto, romita snr) and I had no problem with raimi's take on spidey at all, in fact I thought SM2 was a simply wonderful movie. I guess that means I don't know what spidey is about or I'm not a real spidey fan, right?

to be fair though I think I'm given up my 'spidey fan club' memebership as I gave up amazing when they got rid of the pete/mj marriage (:cmad:) so I only read ultimate and that doesn't count, right?

like raimi's spider-man = not a spidey fan

correct? give me a break...

to go a little further, when a comic character of mine is adapted to the big screen the important thing for me is the ESSENCE of the character, does the character 'feel' like the character I read in the comic book. well frankly I thought raimi absolutely NAILED peter's character.

I will conceed that sam didn't nail the character of spidey himself but I've thought long and hard about spider-man's character and adapting his wisecracks but at the same time have drama, suspense and tention and I don't know if I'd have done things differently.
like the fight in the cemetery or the trainfight, I don't think those scenes would have been as tense if spidey was running off at the mouth.

I will also say that nolan has done the same thing with batman in that he has the ESSENCE of batman but I still don't think any director has truly captured batman's detective genius on the big screen, they've hinted at it but haven't nailed it, at least not in my opinion.

does TDK tell a compelling story - yes
have they captured the essence of the character - yes

does SM2 tell a compelling story - yes
have they captured the essence of the character - yes

that's good enough for me, rather that than dwelling on the details. watchmen was closer to the comics with regards to details but fell flat (imho) as a story

[MessiahDecoy123]

Maguire acted like a social retard for all three movies. That's not true to the "essence" of the character.

[Ajendo]

People need to understand that liking or not liking Raimi's movies has nothing to do with being a true spidey fan. It's an easy and lazy argument to make.

Take the comics. There are so many incredible stories written by various writers and simultaneously there are tonnes of stories that can be argued to be garbage. However, there are readers out there who actually enjoyed the likes of the clone saga, OMD/BND does that make them less of a spider-man fan? Of course not. It's the same with the cartoons and the games and Raimi's movies. You can be a fan of spider-man but you can like or don't have to like what's being offered. It's that simple.
All this mindless warring amongst ourselves is a waste of time and getting us nowhere. The same arguments are being recycled year in year out for almost 10 freakin' years.

[spider-neil]

Maguire acted like a social retard for all three movies. That's not true to the "essence" of the character.


the essense of peter parker

* driven by guilt
* makes his own way in the world and puts his personal life on hold to be spider-man
* deeply commited to his aunt

raimi captures that, I couldn't care less that he acts like a dork in the movies, it's not like the comic book peter acts like james bond.

[NinjaCarm]

Maguire acted like a social retard for all three movies. That's not true to the "essence" of the character.

Despised that. Good post.

[Ajendo]

the essense of peter parker

* driven by guilt
* makes his own way in the world and puts his personal life on hold to be spider-man
* deeply commited to his aunt

raimi captures that, I couldn't care less that he acts like a dork in the movies, it's not like the comic book peter acts like james bond.

I never liked the whole social retard angle Raimi used to characterise Peter also. That being said, no one is expecting Parker to strut around like James Bond or act like the big man on campus. Peter Parker should be self-assured and confident and at the very least have some sort of attractive appeal that we as the viewer can associate with or to some extent wish to have. That being said, Peter still needs to convey his intellect. The comics show this, even the cartoons since the 90s TAS have done a fantastic job at giving us a well characterised Peter Parker.

Again, I suppose this comes down to what Raimi decided to interpret onto screen. Its obvious people are happy and content with it and on the flip side there are many people who don't like it.

With Webb being a fan of USM and I'd like to think he's more than familiar with traditional 616 spidey but if a lot of inspiration is drawn from USM, Peter's character is engaging and far more normal and realistic imo than Raimi's approach. Peter's behaviour and social patterns in USM are clear and largely consistent, making it a much easier task in deciding the route on translating his character onto the screen.

[zanos]

I've read spidey comics for years and anything I didn't buy off the shelves I bought in trades (dikto, romita snr) and I had no problem with raimi's take on spidey at all, in fact I thought SM2 was a simply wonderful movie. I guess that means I don't know what spidey is about or I'm not a real spidey fan, right?

to be fair though I think I'm given up my 'spidey fan club' memebership as I gave up amazing when they got rid of the pete/mj marriage (:cmad:) so I only read ultimate and that doesn't count, right?

like raimi's spider-man = not a spidey fan

correct? give me a break...

to go a little further, when a comic character of mine is adapted to the big screen the important thing for me is the ESSENCE of the character, does the character 'feel' like the character I read in the comic book. well frankly I thought raimi absolutely NAILED peter's character.

I will conceed that sam didn't nail the character of spidey himself but I've thought long and hard about spider-man's character and adapting his wisecracks but at the same time have drama, suspense and tention and I don't know if I'd have done things differently.
like the fight in the cemetery or the trainfight, I don't think those scenes would have been as tense if spidey was running off at the mouth.

I will also say that nolan has done the same thing with batman in that he has the ESSENCE of batman but I still don't think any director has truly captured batman's detective genius on the big screen, they've hinted at it but haven't nailed it, at least not in my opinion.

does TDK tell a compelling story - yes
have they captured the essence of the character - yes

does SM2 tell a compelling story - yes
have they captured the essence of the character - yes

that's good enough for me, rather that than dwelling on the details. watchmen was closer to the comics with regards to details but fell flat (imho) as a story

What qualifies as getting the essence of a character right in your opinion? To me Peter was written very much like every other generic geek turned superhero type character you see in alot films and books. What concrete similiarities can you point to to say, there, that's Peter Parker/Spider-man!

[zanos]

the essense of peter parker

* driven by guilt
* makes his own way in the world and puts his personal life on hold to be spider-man
* deeply commited to his aunt

raimi captures that, I couldn't care less that he acts like a dork in the movies, it's not like the comic book peter acts like james bond.

In order for someone to capture the essence for a character I would think the number trait you'd have to get right would be said character's personality, among other things. That would seem very basic to me. Raimi didn't even get this right, so I don't know how he could have captured PP/SM in any way.

[the_joker]

I think people need to separate the films to the comics. Directors should be allowed the creative freedom to put forward their vision. For all the talk about essence of characters, a film version will be and ought to be one interpretation of the source material. It is ridiculous to expect every single detail to be 'true to the source material' when it comes to comics. A book I can understand. But comics are forever evolving, writers come and go. Retconning happens all the while.

So give Raimi a bit of leeway, and don't decry Marc Webb as the antichrist if he decides to make some changes which I imagine he probably will. Even the false prophet himself aka Nolan is not above making changes to suit his vision of Batman.

[Alchemyst]

I think people need to separate the films to the comics. Directors should be allowed the creative freedom to put forward their vision. For all the talk about essence of characters, a film version will be and ought to be one interpretation of the source material. It is ridiculous to expect every single detail to be 'true to the source material' when it comes to comics. A book I can understand. But comics are forever evolving, writers come and go. Retconning happens all the while.

So give Raimi a bit of leeway, and don't decry Marc Webb as the antichrist if he decides to make some changes which I imagine he probably will. Even the false prophet himself aka Nolan is not above making changes to suit his vision of Batman.

It depends on what liberties the director decides to take with the character. Certain aspects of a character should not be overlooked, especially if it is what makes the character all around. You dont have to translate it page by page, but you should try to stick to the source as close as you can.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think people need to separate the films to the comics. Directors should be allowed the creative freedom to put forward their vision. For all the talk about essence of characters, a film version will be and ought to be one interpretation of the source material. It is ridiculous to expect every single detail to be 'true to the source material' when it comes to comics. A book I can understand. But comics are forever evolving, writers come and go. Retconning happens all the while.

So give Raimi a bit of leeway, and don't decry Marc Webb as the antichrist if he decides to make some changes which I imagine he probably will. Even the false prophet himself aka Nolan is not above making changes to suit his vision of Batman.
Fans should be allowed to judge the artistic merit of every change on a case by case basis. Just because we accept one directors changes doesn't mean all changes are acceptable.

and not all bat-fans like everything Nolan does. That's reserved for the "Nolan is God" fanboys.

[Alchemyst]

Fans should be allowed to judge the artistic merit of every change on a case by case basis. Just because we accept one directors changes doesn't mean all changes are acceptable.

and not all bat-fans like everything Nolan does. That's reserved for the "Nolan is God" fanboys.

Exactly, and not all directors know how to treat films that they are based off of comics. Ang Lee is good director in my book, but for what he did to the Hulk, unacceptable. But, Louis Letterier did a better job because he had a better vision and knew what fans wanted to see.

[the_joker]

It depends on what liberties the director decides to take with the character. Certain aspects of a character should not be overlooked, especially if it is what makes the character all around. You dont have to translate it page by page, but you should try to stick to the source as close as you can.
But I don't know why it is unacceptable in the eyes of some for a director to 'reimagine' a character and make some changes. Comics do this all the while! I just wish people would be a bit more open minded and allow for some fresh innovative thinking. Maybe the changes will work, maybe they won't. But I would rather have a film that has storylines that gels and is widely-accessible to the general audience than have a flop for the sake of remaining true to the source and pleasing a few fans.

Fans should be allowed to judge the artistic merit of every change on a case by case basis. Just because we accept one directors changes doesn't mean all changes are acceptable.

and not all bat-fans like everything Nolan does. That's reserved for the "Nolan is God" fanboys.
I'm one of them. I dislike Nolan's vision of Gotham and the Joker, but I accept that it is his vision. The films are not suppose to supersede the comics, thus there is nothing wrong in my view with being prepared to create a new separate canon unaffected by what happens in the comics. For instance, would it really be the end of the world if they introduced the symbiote that is not of extraterrestrial origin and is man-made (similar to the USM version) to keep a sense of realism?

When I come to see the reboot in 2012, I will be putting all previous assumptions about Spider-man to the back of my mind and view the film as a standalone film with its own continuity. Like I did with Raimi's Spider-man films, which for the record I rather enjoyed.

[lybbert4955]

I always had an idea to blend the two. Have the organics but then Peter creates the web shooters to further alter the webs so he can make the webs into whatever else he sees fit.

[©KAW]

Mechanical Web-shooters.

Thank you.

[zanos]

I think people need to separate the films to the comics. Directors should be allowed the creative freedom to put forward their vision. For all the talk about essence of characters, a film version will be and ought to be one interpretation of the source material. It is ridiculous to expect every single detail to be 'true to the source material' when it comes to comics. A book I can understand. But comics are forever evolving, writers come and go. Retconning happens all the while.

So give Raimi a bit of leeway, and don't decry Marc Webb as the antichrist if he decides to make some changes which I imagine he probably will. Even the false prophet himself aka Nolan is not above making changes to suit his vision of Batman.

If the makers are specifically going out to do their own, "ultimate" version of Spider-man I wouldn't have a problem with this, especially if any changes they make are for the better, but Raimi's Spider-man was meant as a direct and faithful adaptation of the original comic book and it's origins or so Raimi kept telling everyone when the film came out. No one is asking or expecting every minute detail to be exact, since this is not possible in the land of adaptations, but things like a character's personality, his motivations and origin should be precisely adhered to without any deviation. Is this so much to ask for? It's these lack of adherences which doomed the Spider-man movies creatively, since the changes Raimi made were only detrimental to the character.

[Ajendo]

^^ Well said, Zanos. I find it ridiculous that as a spider-man fan, there are 3 spidey movies that exist and I cant bring myself to wholly enjoy them at all. Tragic.

[kedrell]

Exactly, and not all directors know how to treat films that they are based off of comics. Ang Lee is good director in my book, but for what he did to the Hulk, unacceptable. But, Louis Letterier did a better job because he had a better vision and knew what fans wanted to see.

Well, some anyway. I still maintain that Letterrier made a damn good adaption .....of the TV show. As for an adaption of the comics? Eh, it's passable which is still more than I can say about the Lee version. But we still have yet to get a really good/great adaption of the comics IMO.

[Chris Wallace]

It was more of a hybrid of the 2. Admittedly, much as I enjoyed TIH, I would toss out any aspect of the TV show whatsoever.

[Spider-Man '92]

We've tried organics, I think it's time we give the original concept a shot and put in the shooters. If it doesn't take off well, then atleast we have some variety in web production.

[DeanJ2009]

personally i think this gets far too much attention, it's not a deal breaker or atleast it shouldnt be.

if they go with Mech's thats fine aslong as it fits into the world they create, if they go with organics ditto.

the arguments of, "oh a teenager couldn't do this" or "he's supposed to be a genius, show it" are both vaild but it's all about the world they create, if they want organics they can still make Parker a genius in other ways.

If they sell me the world in which Peter can do this well enough i'll be fine with it alternativley if this was the only example of his intelligence in the whole film it would come across as absolutley absurd that he's been able to do it.

There is more to this argument than should there or shouldn't there be, the film could be great with either or it could tank with either, i doubt very much however that the webshooters/lack of will be the reason for either outcome.

[LuisTX85]

personally i think this gets far too much attention, it's not a deal breaker or atleast it shouldnt be.

if they go with Mech's thats fine aslong as it fits into the world they create, if they go with organics ditto.

the arguments of, "oh a teenager couldn't do this" or "he's supposed to be a genius, show it" are both vaild but it's all about the world they create, if they want organics they can still make Parker a genius in other ways.

If they sell me the world in which Peter can do this well enough i'll be fine with it alternativley if this was the only example of his intelligence in the whole film it would come across as absolutley absurd that he's been able to do it.

There is more to this argument than should there or shouldn't there be, the film could be great with either or it could tank with either, i doubt very much however that the webshooters/lack of will be the reason for either outcome.

Very Indeed!,I agree 100%!

[MessiahDecoy123]

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[MessiahDecoy123]

personally i think this gets far too much attention, it's not a deal breaker or atleast it shouldnt be.

if they go with Mech's thats fine aslong as it fits into the world they create, if they go with organics ditto.

the arguments of, "oh a teenager couldn't do this" or "he's supposed to be a genius, show it" are both vaild but it's all about the world they create, if they want organics they can still make Parker a genius in other ways.

If they sell me the world in which Peter can do this well enough i'll be fine with it alternativley if this was the only example of his intelligence in the whole film it would come across as absolutley absurd that he's been able to do it.

There is more to this argument than should there or shouldn't there be, the film could be great with either or it could tank with either, i doubt very much however that the webshooters/lack of will be the reason for either outcome.
You could say the Spider-man movies wouldn't succeed or fail based on the spider-man costumes color, but if the color was blue and grey it wouldn't feel right to most fans.

That's the issue with organics, to many fans it doesn't feel like an accurate depiction of Spider-man so the movie feels incomplete. It's not a deal breaker but like a blue and grey costume it doesn't feel right.

Peter can show his intelligence in many ways but how many of those ways are relevent to Spider-man? That's what makes mechs such a great display of brain power. It makes it clear that Parker couldn't be Spider-man without his book smarts, the same thing that made him an outcast in high school.

[Brian Braddock]

Question - Peter was always pretty much penniless in most of the classic stories I can remember.

Why didnt he ever patent one of his inventions?

[RustyCage]

Well, some anyway. I still maintain that Letterrier made a damn good adaption .....of the TV show. As for an adaption of the comics? Eh, it's passable which is still more than I can say about the Lee version. But we still have yet to get a really good/great adaption of the comics IMO.

This might offend you, but I was glad for that. :up:

[kedrell]

Why would I be offended by that? You're welcome to your opinions as far as I can see.

[Spider-X]

Question - Peter was always pretty much penniless in most of the classic stories I can remember.

Why didnt he ever patent one of his inventions?

risk of giving up his identity maybe?


Peter Parker at the patent office: "I'd like a patent for these webshooters I made"

patent office worker: "OMG! IT'S SPIDERMAN EVERYONE!"

Peter: "...wait...no!..crap"


Newpaper headline the next day:

NEW PATENT FOR AMAZING WEBSHOOTERS CREATED BY GENIOUS PHOTOGRAPHER FOR THE DAILY BUGLE RESPONSIBLE FOR HUNDREDS OF PICTURES OF SPIDER-MAN. MAN CLAIMS NOT TO BE SPIDER-MAN.

Whose buying into that story? no one...

[kedrell]

^Yep, that was my first thought as well.

[RustyCage]

Why would I be offended by that? You're welcome to your opinions as far as I can see.

Well, it suggests I don't care for the comics so much as I have a higher opinion of the TV show. :funny:

It would be understandable if you took issue with that.

[kedrell]

Again, people are free to have their own opinions. I don't see the sense in getting upset or offended over it. It's not as if my not doing so somehow means that I am agreeing with you(I don't btw, Hulk comics rule and the TV show drools.....by comparison, IMO). But to each his own. I'm sure there are some folks who love the Adam West Batman series far more than the Batman comics.

[Brian Braddock]

risk of giving up his identity maybe?


Peter Parker at the patent office: "I'd like a patent for these webshooters I made"

patent office worker: "OMG! IT'S SPIDERMAN EVERYONE!"

Peter: "...wait...no!..crap"


Newpaper headline the next day:

NEW PATENT FOR AMAZING WEBSHOOTERS CREATED BY GENIOUS PHOTOGRAPHER FOR THE DAILY BUGLE RESPONSIBLE FOR HUNDREDS OF PICTURES OF SPIDER-MAN. MAN CLAIMS NOT TO BE SPIDER-MAN.

Whose buying into that story? no one...

Well, there's that or there's Spider-tracers that arent actually made in the shape of little spiders. :oldrazz:

[Spider-X]

Well, there's that or there's Spider-tracers that arent actually made in the shape of little spiders. :oldrazz:

Yeah...but that technology already exists right? though, depending on what you are talking about. in the FOX cartoon he had a GPS (already exists), in the comics it's tuned to his spider-sense (and since he's the only one with a spider-sense, i don't see it being much use to anyone else but him).

Got anything else for me to refute? lol

[Immortalfire]

risk of giving up his identity maybe?


Peter Parker at the patent office: "I'd like a patent for these webshooters I made"

patent office worker: "OMG! IT'S SPIDERMAN EVERYONE!"

Peter: "...wait...no!..crap"


Newpaper headline the next day:

NEW PATENT FOR AMAZING WEBSHOOTERS CREATED BY GENIOUS PHOTOGRAPHER FOR THE DAILY BUGLE RESPONSIBLE FOR HUNDREDS OF PICTURES OF SPIDER-MAN. MAN CLAIMS NOT TO BE SPIDER-MAN.

Whose buying into that story? no one...
:funny: :up:

[socool]

I would say I dont care, but just for the sake of separating this series from Rami's, I say go mechanical.

[Brian Braddock]

Yeah...but that technology already exists right? though, depending on what you are talking about. in the FOX cartoon he had a GPS (already exists), in the comics it's tuned to his spider-sense (and since he's the only one with a spider-sense, i don't see it being much use to anyone else but him).

Got anything else for me to refute? lol

Yup, but did they have tracers as technologically advanced as Peter's in the 60's? You know, when Peter was known to use an electronic receiver to follow the signal as opposed to his Spider-Sense........

and you havent refuted anything yet in my book. 'lol'

Show me were it would mean compromising his identity as Spider-Man if he was to patent something - wouldnt you at least credit Peter to not hand in something 'Spider' styled?

[Spider-X]

Yup, but did they have tracers as technologically advanced as Peter's in the 60's? You know, when Peter was known to use an electronic receiver to follow the signal as opposed to his Spider-Sense........

and you havent refuted anything yet in my book. 'lol'

Show me were it would mean compromising his identity as Spider-Man if he was to patent something - wouldnt you at least credit Peter to not hand in something 'Spider' styled?

how dare you take offense to my 'lol' i made in jest! :cmad: i was actually hoping that didn't come off too jerky...

ayways...I think they probably were capable of making bugs that small that could be traced by a radio signal in the 60's. The gov't always has tech that's light years ahead of what is commercially available. But i don't know for sure...

In any case, I'm just giving you a hard time. Of course there are ways that he could patent some of his tech or make some serious dough from it without endangering his secret identity. For instance: he could use a 3rd party who already knows his identity, say Mr. Fantastic, and put the patent in his name. Fantastic would then give him the royalties, because it's not like he would need the money. But for the comic book writer's sake, the arguments I gave would be suitable enough, I would say. It's all about suspending disbelief to a certain degree to make him the "everyman" he's always billed as.

[Brian Braddock]

:funny: :up:

To be fair Immortalfire - I dont find anything remotely funny. I posted a geniune question and instead of trying to provide a respectful and intelligent answer, the guy has instead chosen to to be a smartass and ridicule.

Nice to see that gets a :funny: and an :up: from a moderator.

[Brian Braddock]

how dare you take offense to my 'lol' i made in jest! :cmad:

i think they probably were capable of making bugs that small that could be traced by a radio signal in the 60's. The gov't always has tech that's light years ahead of what is commercially available. But i don't know for sure...

In any case, I'm just giving you a hard time. Of course there are ways that he could patent some of his tech or make some serious dough from it without endangering his secret identity. He could use a 3rd party like Mr. Fantastic, but it in his name and Fantastic could give him the royalties, because it's not like he would need the money. But for the comic book writer's sake, the arguments I gave would be suitable enough I would say. It's all about suspending disbelief to a certain degree to make him the "everyman" he's always billed as.

Could you not have just said that in the 1st place? Geez, you may have meant it in jest but it sure didnt come off like that.

Apologies.

[Spider-X]

Could you not have just said that in the 1st place? Geez, you may have meant it in jest but it sure didnt come off like that.

Apologies.

i made some edits to my orginal post. Apologies as well if i came off too dickish. I though we were both handling it light heartedly since you gave me a :oldrazz:. and you're right, I am a smart ass...but then again so is Spider-Man, so i take it as a compliment :D

[Brian Braddock]

Hah - no problem dude. :D

[chaseter]

I watch the news, they tell me organic is better for the environment.

[kedrell]

Yup, but did they have tracers as technologically advanced as Peter's in the 60's? You know, when Peter was known to use an electronic receiver to follow the signal as opposed to his Spider-Sense........

and you havent refuted anything yet in my book. 'lol'

Show me were it would mean compromising his identity as Spider-Man if he was to patent something - wouldnt you at least credit Peter to not hand in something 'Spider' styled?

Tracers, sure. But I don't see how he could do that for the web shooters.

[Sam Fisher]

If you look closely at his wrists, you can see what looks like webshooters in the back. http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/214/original/SpideyGarfieldBig.jpg?1294949568

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Yup, I noticed that as well. Pretty damn cool! As I had stated time and time again, it didn't matter to me whether they were organic or mechanical, so I'm happy. :up:

[RustyCage]

While I hope that is a sign of web shooters, maybe it's just some device that helps him control/manipulate how the webbing comes out of the organic shooters? Remember that concept art from the other films?

Well, regardless, I guess it's a sign that Peter is scientifically clever this time and his nerdiness extends beyond getting knocked around, answering a question in class, wearing thick glasses, and being dopey.

[Crockett]

It doesn't matter for me but if that's the web shooters then I guess it's nice that they went with it.

[spider-neil]

If you look closely at his wrists, you can see what looks like webshooters in the back. http://s3.amazonaws.com/coolproduction/ckeditor_assets/pictures/214/original/SpideyGarfieldBig.jpg?1294949568

or they could just be big arse zips :cwink:

[Superman]

I haven't been keeping up with this new Spiderman movie so I don't know if it's known if they are using web shooters or going organics again, And I'm not reading all of this thread to find out.

So does anyone know what they are using this time?

[Ultimate Doom]

I haven't been keeping up with this new Spiderman movie so I don't know if it's known if they are using web shooters or going organics again, And I'm not reading all of this thread to find out.

So does anyone know what they are using this time?

New picture of Spidey shows what looks to be web-shooters on his wrists, looks like that is what were getting

[Superman]

New picture of Spidey shows what looks to be web-shooters on his wrists, looks like that is what were gettingYeah, I saw thoses... Things on his wrists, I just wasn't sure if it was known for sure one way or the other if we was getting web shooters.:yay:

[Eggyman]

I'm easy, anyway. I still see it as being up in the air about whether we have shooters or not. What we've seen on the new pic could be one of three things: They could be webshooters, they could be organic enhancers, or they could just be a nice little bit of detail as to how the organics escape his covered wrists.

Whichever way, I'm not bothered.

O, or option #4 could be that it's Spider-bling. That one I'm not fine with.

[Eelectro 2]

i think the idea of there being little buds slightly protruding from the suit makes logical sense for the webbing to clear his hand and suit. it doesnt need to be large but just barely enough, id be fine with that 100%

[batman11]

I believe they're actually direct openings above his veins, so that he can get the most direct heroine injection possible. Perfect precision and accuracy; just place the needle in the hole and inject (Woah! Risque! :wow:). You guys wanted this to be darker and grittier right? Nothing grittier than junky Parker who gets off by swinging through New York while hopped up on heroine and probably a little bit of coke. :o

[Crockett]

^:lmao:

[markstrange]

As a hardcore comic book fan, I'd like to see mechanical shooters, but I actually think organic shooters makes more sense. Why give him spider powers and not give him the web?

For fun look up Spider-Goats. Scientist have made goat spiders and spider silk come out of the milk (or at least the chemicals to make spider silk).

[Spider-X]

As a hardcore comic book fan, I'd like to see mechanical shooters, but I actually think organic shooters makes more sense. Why give him spider powers and not give him the web?

For fun look up Spider-Goats. Scientist have made goat spiders and spider silk come out of the milk (or at least the chemicals to make spider silk).

The thing is, organics would make sense...if they came from his ass...like a real spider.

I personally like the mechanical much more because it adds a new layer to how he can defeat enemies (he can actually modify/put things into the webbing), it lends itself to more intense moments (i.e. he runs out of webbing at a pivotal point in the battle and has to make a retreat to refill), and this is how it's pretty much always been in the comics.

The non-sensical part of mechanical webshooters is that it doesn't make sense that a teenager could make something our top scientist aren't even able to make...but this is a superhero movie where a kid get's bitten by a radioactive spider and instead of getting a bad rash and possibly a tumor he gets spider-powers...so the genius teenage route works for me.

[The Lizard]

just for the sake of separating this series from Rami's, I say go mechanical.

This ^

[PreK]

As a hardcore comic book fan, I'd like to see mechanical shooters, but I actually think organic shooters makes more sense. Why give him spider powers and not give him the web?
Ask yourself why Peter has been excused from many other characteristics of a spider, and you will be closer to the correct answer.

[Timstuff]

I would be pretty saddened to find out that all it takes is mechanical webshooters to buy the loyalty of some fans. I mean c'mon, which would you rather have-- the 200X costume with organic webs, or have this ghastly new getup as long as it means getting mechanical web shooters?

[Whiskey Tango]

I would be pretty saddened to find out that all it takes is mechanical webshooters to buy the loyalty of some fans. I mean c'mon, which would you rather have-- the 200X costume with organic webs, or have this ghastly new getup as long as it means getting mechanical web shooters?

Or you could like the new suit AND get webshooters! Win win! :awesome:

[mre]

I think the suit is awesome.
Go web shooters!

[Whiskey Tango]

I think the suit is awesome.
Go web shooters!

Thwip! Thwip!

[DeanJ2009]

Ask yourself why Peter has been excused from many other characteristics of a spider, and you will be closer to the correct answer.

I disagree i still think it's a little odd that they wanted to give him more spider-like qualities and yet the chose not to make them symptoms of the bite. It's not like he's sewn on four extra apendeges or extra eyes after realising he wasn't given them.

I'd love to know the original though process behind not giving him organics in the first place, it must have crossed thier mind when they were creating the character, i don't believe he popped into Stan Lee's head fully formed.

[cryptic name]

I would be pretty saddened to find out that all it takes is mechanical webshooters to buy the loyalty of some fans. I mean c'mon, which would you rather have-- the 200X costume with organic webs, or have this ghastly new getup as long as it means getting mechanical web shooters?

i guess i shouldn't be but I'm shocked anybody dislikes the new suit

[Webhead38]

Why don't they go ahead and give him a plastic belt like they did in the 70's incarnation? Christ. That is the only thing missing from this joke.

[Gianakin_]

i guess i shouldn't be but I'm shocked anybody dislikes the new suit

It's actually very logical that people hate the suit. I don't, but it's not very faithful to the comics (not as much as Raimi's), so I can see why many are turned off by it.

[Daybreak_st]

I disagree i still think it's a little odd that they wanted to give him more spider-like qualities and yet the chose not to make them symptoms of the bite. It's not like he's sewn on four extra apendeges or extra eyes after realising he wasn't given them.

I'd love to know the original though process behind not giving him organics in the first place, it must have crossed thier mind when they were creating the character, i don't believe he popped into Stan Lee's head fully formed.

I don't know the thought process but originally it was a radioactive spider not genetically enhanced like the Raimi film. The idea of it physically enhancing his abilities is one thing, super relexes, super strength etc. But the idea that it some creates new orifices on his body to secrete webfluid instead of simply using the orifices his body already has :huh: That's a little out there. It makes a little more since for him to use his ingenuity and intelligence to create something that gives him a little edge, hence the webshooters. Also i think stan lee specficially wanted to emphasize how smart peter was being a science geek and all. I've always found it more interesting for Peter to create the webshooters, spider-tracers etc and use those as Spidey instead of it all just coming nicely gift wrapped for him. It shows his personal input into the spidey identiy. That it wasn't just a given.

[gohei_]

If they are going with the web shooters I would like him to go the bigger part of the movie without them while trying to create them. If this is an origin story it would be weird if he could build them just like that.

[markstrange]

The thing is, organics would make sense...if they came from his ass...like a real spider.


Although quite an amusing picture, it's not necessary true. Science has taken fire-fly DNA and put it into regular flies, specifically the part that gives the fireflies their glow, and now the regular flies have glowing wings - Glowing wings and not glowing asses.

[gridlockd]

I'm shocked at the vote.

As much as I'm a fan of the original character, I thought Raimi make a smart movie changing to organics.
A) It make little sense Peter would receive MOST of the gifts of a spider - except for web-making, which is probably the thing spiders are most known for. It's like getting all the powers of a fish except the ability to breathe underwater.

B) It's just a bit too far fetched to believe a high school student, hell even a NASA scientist could invent web shooters. To fabricate an entirely new super strong, super sticky substance, that can support your body weight housed on your wrist and launched for city blocks. (And where does he get this material? How much does it cost? Where does he make it? How does that much web fit in those tiny shooters?) I'm not even sure Tony Stark could come up with that.

Hell, look at the spider man musical, even with a whole team of the best-in-the-business producers and equipment, THEY can't even keep a human being suspended for very long...

[gridlockd]

It's like if Superman came down from Krypton and he could fly, punch through walls, was invunerable to bullets but he had to create special glasses to give himself heat vision.

[Troy_Parker]

It's like if Superman came down from Krypton and he could fly, punch through walls, was invunerable to bullets but he had to create special glasses to give himself heat vision.


Nice try but, has there ever been a iteration of the character that had to do that? no. :P Spider-Man has had mech shooters and organics over the years.

[gridlockd]

Nice try but, has there ever been a iteration of the character that had to do that? no. :PSpider-Man has had mech shooters and organics over the years.


Never said there was. Just saying what I think would make more sense to a mainstream movie going audience.

Spider-Man had cosmic powers at one point but that doesn't make it a good idea for a film.

[Troy_Parker]

Never said there was. Just saying what I think would make more sense to a mainstream movie going audience.

Spider-Man had cosmic powers at one point but that doesn't make it a good idea for a film.

Hmm, well why wouldn't they use mechs anyways...? I think it's pretty obvious with the new image that they are, it's such a huge departure from Raimi's movies. lol

[kedrell]

I hope they do away with the hairy hands crap as well. That and the organic webshooters were just...gross.

[Alchemyst]

I'm shocked at the vote.

As much as I'm a fan of the original character, I thought Raimi make a smart movie changing to organics.
A) It make little sense Peter would receive MOST of the gifts of a spider - except for web-making, which is probably the thing spiders are most known for. It's like getting all the powers of a fish except the ability to breathe underwater.

B) It's just a bit too far fetched to believe a high school student, hell even a NASA scientist could invent web shooters. To fabricate an entirely new super strong, super sticky substance, that can support your body weight housed on your wrist and launched for city blocks. (And where does he get this material? How much does it cost? Where does he make it? How does that much web fit in those tiny shooters?) I'm not even sure Tony Stark could come up with that.

Hell, look at the spider man musical, even with a whole team of the best-in-the-business producers and equipment, THEY can't even keep a human being suspended for very long...

If Stark could come up with a suit of armor with the latest techonology, one of which he stored in a suitcase, I'm pretty sure webshooters would have been an easy task. I like the fact that he will have webshooters in this film, they need to do all that they can to set it apart from the Raimi films

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't want the comics to have organic web shooters again
Mechanical web shooters for the win

[CaptainStacy]

Mechs all the way.

Peter's web-shooters are easily one of the coolest weapons any comic hero has ever had. Right up there with Captain Americ'a shield, Batman's utility belt, Wolverine's claws, etc.,

We've already had organic webbing. The mechanical webs deserve a chance up on the big screen as well, imo...

[CaptainStacy]

I'm shocked at the vote.



B) It's just a bit too far fetched to believe a high school student, hell even a NASA scientist could invent web shooters. To fabricate an entirely new super strong, super sticky substance, that can support your body weight housed on your wrist and launched for city blocks. (And where does he get this material? How much does it cost? Where does he make it? How does that much web fit in those tiny shooters?) I'm not even sure Tony Stark could come up with that.
.

Yet you're completely cool with someone getting bit by an irradiated (or genetically altered) spider, and gaining the ability to spin webs from his arms, stick to walls, bench press an automobile, and have some sort of early warning mental ability.

Weird.

[Alchemyst]

webshooters make him a liability as well because he can run out of web fluid and it could force him to think quickly and strategize his moves (something that we haven't seen on film yet). Organic webbing gives him an unlimited supply so he can single handedly dispatch enemies with ease (3 films with this implemented).

[gridlockd]

Yet you're completely cool with someone getting bit by an irradiated (or genetically altered) spider, and gaining the ability to spin webs from his arms, stick to walls, bench press an automobile, and have some sort of early warning mental ability.

Weird.


Yes. It at least makes comic-book sense. He gets only SOME powers of a spider? Seems quite silly. And I think it's asking too much that he's able to create something like that in high school (at least Stark was rich and was surrounded by materials. Where's this poor hs senior get all this stuff. Will we have a montage of Peter working with a blowtorch?) Peter is supossed to be an everyman we can all relate too. To create working web shooters, or to make in league with Stark or Reed Richards, makes him a super-genius.


You're allowed ONE moment in a movie where the audience will buy something far fetched. Not two. It's like a hat on a hat.
It's a one-in-a-billion chance Peter would be bitten by that spider and granted super-powers. Fine But oh, and one more thing, he also happens to be a high school aged genius inventor.
And quite the seamstress too, I might add.

[kedrell]

^As you've already pointed out, we were always buying more than one thing anyway. I don't think you're giving the audience enough credit with their ability to suspend disbelief.

[gridlockd]

I think where part 3 lost everyone early on was when Venom just happened to land near Spider-Man, of all the people in the world. It was too much to ask. Just too much of a coincidence. Jumped the shark right off the bat. Eyes were rolling.


Also like to point out that in James Camerons' admittedly horrible treatment, Spiderman had natural web but disguised it with web-shooters so he would be labeled a freak. Go figure that out.

[CaptainStacy]

Yes. It at least makes comic-book sense. He gets only SOME powers of a spider? Seems quite silly. And I think it's asking too much that he's able to create something like that in high school (at least Stark was rich and was surrounded by materials. Where's this poor hs senior get all this stuff. Will we have a montage of Peter working with a blowtorch?) Peter is supossed to be an everyman we can all relate too. To create working web shooters, or to make in league with Stark or Reed Richards, makes him a super-genius.


You're allowed ONE moment in a movie where the audience will buy something far fetched. Not two. It's like a hat on a hat.
It's a one-in-a-billion chance Peter would be bitten by that spider and granted super-powers. Fine But oh, and one more thing, he also happens to be a high school aged genius inventor.
And quite the seamstress too, I might add.


No offense, but that's a weak arguement. It was weak ten years ago, and it's even weaker still today. Sure, he's an "everyman". But he's also a genius. That was the way Stan and Steve wrote it, and that's the way it's always been. Who's to say how much his materials cost?

And we have yet to see how he gets his suit in this film, so we really can't comment on that just yet. Although since you seem to think he should have EVERY spider ability, why not a spider's weaving skills?

[BH/HHH]

Crap I voted Organic but I meant to vote Mechanical. But to be honest if he's bitten by a Spider and gains all the Spiders abilities he probably would end up been able to shoot webs. But we've had organic so I say Mechanical

[CaptainStacy]

Crap I voted Organic but I meant to vote Mechanical. But to be honest if he's bitten by a Spider and gains all the Spiders abilities he probably would end up been able to shoot webs.l

Yeah, but from his ass, and who wants to see THAT? :awesome:

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'm shocked at the vote.

As much as I'm a fan of the original character, I thought Raimi make a smart movie changing to organics.
A) It make little sense Peter would receive MOST of the gifts of a spider - except for web-making, which is probably the thing spiders are most known for. It's like getting all the powers of a fish except the ability to breathe underwater.
or like Spider-girl not being able to lay eggs. Peter Parker never had the physiology of a Spider and that's the way it should stay. He was never the physical mix of human and spider except for the man-spider phase.

B) It's just a bit too far fetched to believe a high school student, hell even a NASA scientist could invent web shooters. To fabricate an entirely new super strong, super sticky substance, that can support your body weight housed on your wrist and launched for city blocks. (And where does he get this material? How much does it cost? Where does he make it? How does that much web fit in those tiny shooters?) I'm not even sure Tony Stark could come up with that.

So the Sandman is realistic?

[RustyCage]

Yeah, but from his ass, and who wants to see THAT? :awesome:

4chan. :funny:

[gridlockd]

No offense, but that's a weak arguement. It was weak ten years ago, and it's even weaker still today. Sure, he's an "everyman". But he's also a genius. That was the way Stan and Steve wrote it, and that's the way it's always been. Who's to say how much his materials cost?

And we have yet to see how he gets his suit in this film, so we really can't comment on that just yet. Although since you seem to think he should have EVERY spider ability, why not a spider's weaving skills?


I don't think a modern movie audience will allow them to just gloss over the issue like this. His web fluid is a substance still unknown to man and the web shooter is like a miracle of modern technology. And that's somthing he just created one day. No big deal. (Yet he gets a job as a photographer. Or a pizza boy.)

As I read in this thread - even modern writers try to update this hokey idea of web shooters - by saying his father started to design them.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Organics add nothing to the Spider-man character except simplicity. Mechs on the other hand give the character range and sophistication. Parker isn't just a bite victim who grows spider organs. He is what a spider would be in a human society. He's a genius inventor and chemist who creates a device to trap bad guys. There's an actual parallel drawn between nature's ingenuity and human technology. Also Parker's genius is displayed everytime he shoots his webs. Clearly he couldn't be the same superhero if we were not a brainy nerd. Anybody could've became Spider-man with organics. What's the point of Parker being a super-smart nerd if they don't relate to him being Spider-man? Why omit one of the coolest gadgets in comic book history and and give Spider-man uninspired, predictable powers all for the sake of simplicity?

[gridlockd]

So the Sandman is realistic?

Sandman was a wierd accident. Now imagine after the wierd accident he went home and invented a jet pack.

[CaptainStacy]

I don't think a modern movie audience will allow them to just gloss over the issue like this. His web fluid is a substance still unknown to man and the web shooter is like a miracle of modern technology. And that's somthing he just created one day. No big deal. (Yet he gets a job as a photographer. Or a pizza boy.)


Ok. Well, i don't think a modern movie audience, particularly a SUMMER movie audience would really be analyzing a Spider-Man movie to that effect.

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. :yay:

[Spectacular23]

http://img831.imageshack.us/f/48303745.jpg/
Web shooters? Hard to tell from the dark image. But i see some outline
http://img831.imageshack.us/g/48303745.jpg/

[Spider-Vader]

It definitely looks like it. I guess the other side of this debate got their way.

I'm fine either way.

[Ultimate Doom]

Looks like we got webshooters. still kind of hard to judge from that picture and nothings final but I'd say so

[Gold Samurai]

From the HQ picture

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4826/31233813.jpg

[MessiahDecoy123]

Sandman was a wierd accident. Now imagine after the wierd accident he went home and invented a jet pack.
You mean like Green Goblin would?

Anyway, you can't refuse to accept a teenager making webshooters while accepting The Sandman. Talk about hypocrisy.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Looks like a confirmation to me...

[PreK]

I'm shocked at the vote.

As much as I'm a fan of the original character, I thought Raimi make a smart movie changing to organics.
A) It make little sense Peter would receive MOST of the gifts of a spider - except for web-making, which is probably the thing spiders are most known for. It's like getting all the powers of a fish except the ability to breathe underwater.
Peter's powers are enhancements of his own body and senses, derived from the qualities that are spider-like. That is it. It is why you do not see him grow extra limbs or talents that are not already present. The spider-bite has made him superhuman not superspider.

B) It's just a bit too far fetched to believe a high school student, hell even a NASA scientist could invent web shooters. To fabricate an entirely new super strong, super sticky substance, that can support your body weight housed on your wrist and launched for city blocks. (And where does he get this material? How much does it cost? Where does he make it? How does that much web fit in those tiny shooters?) I'm not even sure Tony Stark could come up with that. Look at your wrists. Do you see anything? No. That is because there is no biological basis for organic extensions or orifices existing in that area. It is as random as creating a new species and deciding that they give birth through their foreheads.

The original concept worked so well precisely because it didn't rely on the fantasy crux to just make s--t up out of the blue. Everything was based on a plausible, albeit improbable reality. Fringe science if you will. If you are questioning how this applies to Parker and his creation of the silk, it is very simple: intuition. The same intuition that plays into birds knowing where to migrate during the season, bats traveling with echolocation, dogs burrowing onto the ground they lay, squirrels preparing for climate change, etc. I could literally go on and on with behavior that animals display without being taught it. It is built into their genes. An innate knowledge hardwired thanks to evolution.

If you want to delve further, it can be written that Peter works off silk secretions that his fingers excrete in tiny amounts; a trait found in quite a few arachnid families. Perhaps he wants to find out more about himself and at some point (with the help of his genius and newfound intuition) he discovers how to replicate the material. Imaginations running wild, he decides to experiment with it and comes up with a way to implement it with his superhero activities. Voila -- webshooters are born.

I just broke down for you the origins, motivations, biology, and "science" behind the web shooters. See how easy of a process that was? Took me all of 5 minutes to go from concept to execution. The more people actually analyze the existence of organics, you should immediately see how lazy and absurd of an idea it is in comparison to the fantastical elements in the mythos.

[zanos]

I don't think a modern movie audience will allow them to just gloss over the issue like this. His web fluid is a substance still unknown to man and the web shooter is like a miracle of modern technology. And that's somthing he just created one day. No big deal. (Yet he gets a job as a photographer. Or a pizza boy.)

As I read in this thread - even modern writers try to update this hokey idea of web shooters - by saying his father started to design them.

I believe they can do it in a way that it's believable enough for the audience to suspend disbelief. You don't see Iron Man fanboys complaining about how Tony Stark built an Iron Man suit in a cave do you? Then when he got back to civilization he built the most advanced piece of technology known to man in a few days, and all by himself in his garage. I mean cmon!

[Marvin]

For Parker, a character written with a very high intellect, inventing something like a compressed aerosol adhesive that turns solid when exposed to air isn't so far fetched as half the crap Reed and Tony invent...and I mean half. Unlike say Johnny Storm, Peter can actually hang with most of these intellects and he just happened to be bitten by a spider. That being said if storm were to invent some kinda of flame tech then there might be an issue, and there in lies the argument.

Moreover, some people have been saying Peter invented something no one else could? First of all, in our world yes he did, but in comic books people invent things all the time, that adhesive could have been invented the very next year in that world, They have hover cars and transporters. That like saying if you asked Reed (theman) Richards to invent string adhesive he's scratch his head for 7 years and then tell you he has no clue. Also, necessity drives invention.....right.


Lastly, many writers have padded the issue in the past, someone mentioned that the spider passed on the concept and blueprints via enzymes when it bit him. Not so far fetched when one considers everything else it passed on, and perhaps to a lesser mind(johnny storm it would have resulted in popsicle sticks and glue). I also remember the story line where his dad was working on such a thing and Peter just finished/adapted it. Coincidence yes, but considering the base concept who's to argue.

I personally always liked the idea that Parker invented something could make him rich(harry osborn rich) but his character is personified as responsibility and thus he puts it to is necessary use.

I voted for WebShooters, I think the audience is ready for something new with this reboot. And I also doubt anyone in the theater will be like,
"That's not realistic, boooo" someone will slap them in their mouth.

my 2 cents.

[CaptainStacy]

Peter's powers are enhancements of his own body and senses, derived from the qualities that are spider-like. That is it. It is why you do not see him grow extra limbs or talents that are not already present. The spider-bite has made him superhuman not superspider.

Look at your wrists. Do you see anything? No. That is because there is no biological basis for organic extensions or orifices existing in that area. It is as random as creating a new species and deciding that they give birth through their foreheads.

The original concept worked so well precisely because it didn't rely on the fantasy crux to just make s--t up out of the blue. Everything was based on a plausible, albeit improbable reality. Fringe science if you will. If you are questioning how this applies to Parker and his creation of the silk, it is very simple: intuition. The same intuition that plays into birds knowing where to migrate during the season, bats traveling with echolocation, dogs burrowing onto the ground they lay, squirrels preparing for climate change, etc. I could literally go on and on with behavior that animals display without being taught it. It is built into their genes. An innate knowledge hardwired thanks to evolution.

If you want to delve further, it can be written that Peter works off silk secretions that his fingers excrete in tiny amounts; a trait found in quite a few arachnid families. Perhaps he wants to find out more about himself and at some point (with the help of his genius and newfound intuition) he discovers how to replicate the material. Imaginations running wild, he decides to experiment with it and comes up with a way to implement it with his superhero activities. Voila -- webshooters are born.

I just broke down for you the origins, motivations, biology, and "science" behind the web shooters. See how easy of a process that was? Took me all of 5 minutes to go from concept to execution. The more people actually analyze the existence of organics, you should immediately see how lazy and absurd of an idea it is in comparison to the fantastical elements in the mythos.

Best explanation i've heard yet. Bravo. :applaud

[gridlockd]

You mean like Green Goblin would?

Anyway, you can't refuse to accept a teenager making webshooters while accepting The Sandman. Talk about hypocrisy.

Actually the Goblins' glider was built before his origin. And it was built by a team of well-paid mechanical engineers with proper research facilities and goverment funding. And it's implied that they've tested and re-tested it over several months, if not years.

It wasn't builit by a broke high-school kid over a weekend in his bedroom in Queens. It would be wierd if it were.


And if this high school kid can invent something this advanced so quickly and with so few resourses, where are all his other inventions? How long has he been Spidey in the comics? 10-15 years? Has he invented anything OTHER than the tracers and web shooters? Why not? Why not invent teleportation? Or X-ray vision? Or an invisibilty formula? I'm sure those things could also help the fight against crime. If not you could sell them to both better mankind AND pay aunt may's morgage.

I don't think Pete should be on par with Reed Richards and Tony Stark. They're geniuses in the Marvel Universe. Peter is a very bright EVERYMAN.

Eh, whatever. I'm sure we'll all enjoy the movie when it comes out. And isn't that what really matters?

[Zimmy]

You mean like Green Goblin would?

Anyway, you can't refuse to accept a teenager making webshooters while accepting The Sandman. Talk about hypocrisy.

Your missing the point.

I can believe, in this world, that a radio active spider can give PP spider powers.
I have a hard time believing this same teenager, no matter how smart he is, designing something that would take years and countless resources.
Unless he has Mr Fantastic as his lab partner, it ain't happening.

Like mentioned before, it would be like the Flash getting his powers then sitting around in the afternoon and designing jet boots that let him fly around the country.

What is hypocrisy is refusing to believe that one of the spider powers he obtains is web shooting.

[spider1975]

I don't think a modern movie audience will allow them to just gloss over the issue like this. His web fluid is a substance still unknown to man and the web shooter is like a miracle of modern technology. And that's somthing he just created one day. No big deal. (Yet he gets a job as a photographer. Or a pizza boy.)

As I read in this thread - even modern writers try to update this hokey idea of web shooters - by saying his father started to design them.


You just in a way settled this debate.

"by saying his father started to design them"

What if they take this angle? What if they play up the fact that his father was somewhat of an inventor. That angle worked in Batman Begins. Bruce didn't create the suit, gadgets (for the most part), the Batmobile (Tumbler). They were created by the applied science department and modified for his use as Batman. Couldn't the same approach be used in this reboot? Maybe his dad invented the webshooter design for a different application. Maybe the suit is based on a fabric his father created for the military, police, whatever. Hell, maybe the lenses in the mask were based on lenses his father created with special SPF to reduce glare. We never got an explanation in the first trilogy other than he just made it. Maybe this time around it will make more sense.

[Dr Tactics]

I'm still trying to understand why anyone except for spiderman would want webfluid/adhesive that dissolves in a hour in the real (or any)world. What is so perfect about it? I could see it if he created the perfect spider like silk enzyme in which it could make the strongest tensile, body armor stronger then kevlar,and glue that couldn't be removed with nail polish. IT DISSOLVES INTO POWDER IN ABOUT A HOUR.. SMH Doogie Houser could create that. Tony Stark or Reed Richards could create it to be permanent if they wanted to.. But this imperfect formula works for Spiderman and he has defeated enemies without it at times and slightly modified it based on need.

I don't get the Huh-Bub on realizm when it was all about screen time with Raimi. And he put out a BS comment that he'll probably never repeat if you asked him again

[Ajendo]

The Camel spider (also know as a Sun Spider, Wind Spider and Winder Scorpion) is a member of the order Solifugae, and as such do not spin webs.

This order of spider also has no venom either. The camel spider is a nocturnal animal and hunts it's prey as if it were a scorpion, therefore there is no need for a web.

Possible explanation as to why Peter can't spin his own webs.

[Ajendo]

http://cache.virtualtourist.com/1671331-spider_camel-Dubai.jpg

[MessiahDecoy123]

Your missing the point.

I can believe, in this world, that a radio active spider can give PP spider powers.
I have a hard time believing this same teenager, no matter how smart he is, designing something that would take years and countless resources.
Unless he has Mr Fantastic as his lab partner, it ain't happening.

Like mentioned before, it would be like the Flash getting his powers then sitting around in the afternoon and designing jet boots that let him fly around the country.

What is hypocrisy is refusing to believe that one of the spider powers he obtains is web shooting.

The Flash isn't a scientific prodigy like Peter Parker. If he was, jet boots wouldn't be out of the question.

It's not hypocritical to like organics but to claim mechanical webshooters are unrealistic in a movie where a human can change into sand is hypocritical.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Actually the Goblins' glider was built before his origin. And it was built by a team of well-paid mechanical engineers with proper research facilities and goverment funding. And it's implied that they've tested and re-tested it over several months, if not years.

It wasn't builit by a broke high-school kid over a weekend in his bedroom in Queens. It would be wierd if it were.


And if this high school kid can invent something this advanced so quickly and with so few resourses, where are all his other inventions? How long has he been Spidey in the comics? 10-15 years? Has he invented anything OTHER than the tracers and web shooters? Why not? Why not invent teleportation? Or X-ray vision? Or an invisibilty formula? I'm sure those things could also help the fight against crime. If not you could sell them to both better mankind AND pay aunt may's morgage.

I don't think Pete should be on par with Reed Richards and Tony Stark. They're geniuses in the Marvel Universe. Peter is a very bright EVERYMAN.

Eh, whatever. I'm sure we'll all enjoy the movie when it comes out. And isn't that what really matters?
But Parker is a scientific prodigy. He's not Tony Stark or Reed Richards level but he's smart enough to make a web dispenser and web fluid. That's a pretty humble accomplishment in Marvel Universe or even in a sci-fi/fantasy movie.

It's not like he made a flying suit in a cave or a teleporter in his basement. He made a glue that hardens into string. Whooptey do. That's child's play in a sci-fi/fantasy movie.

and not all inventors make numerous successes. They're lucky to make one.

[NinjaCarm]

Would you guys have a problem if it was organic again but the shooters help with the flow and distribution of the webs?

[Whiskey Tango]

Would you guys have a problem if it was organic again but the shooters help with the flow and distribution of the webs?

That always seemed like a good compromise, if compromise is your thing.

Not me, I want webshooters. But then I don't have a problem buying into an idea that's been a major part of the character for fifty years.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Would you guys have a problem if it was organic again but the shooters help with the flow and distribution of the webs?
Yes.

One of the major advantages with synthetic web fluid is it shows Parker's genius and how that genius applies to Spider-man. Also it allows Parker to alter his web fluid formula to fight specific viilains.

Web regulators are pointless. The webs would still be organic and still imply that Peter is part spider.

[gridlockd]

But Parker is a scientific prodigy. He's not Tony Stark or Reed Richards level but he's smart enough to make a web dispenser and web fluid. That's a pretty humble accomplishment in Marvel Universe or even in a sci-fi/fantasy movie.

It's not like he made a flying suit in a cave or a teleporter in his basement. He made a glue that hardens into string. Whooptey do. That's child's play in a sci-fi/fantasy movie.

and not all inventors make numerous successes. They're lucky to make one.


So he's an inventor who had a hugely sucessful invention at an incredibly young age with virtually no training, resources or guidance and then gave up on inventing forever? Decided to go into newspaper photography? What happened to his scientific curiousity? His desire to help mankind? Seems like he's only a scientific prodigy when it's conveninant to the plot.

And you know your underplaying a 15 year old creating web shooters out of thin air. It's a stretch even for sci - fi. The super powers stretch sci-fi plausibility enough as it is.

Tony built a suit of armor in a cave by requesting whatever material he needed. And the movie already established at that point he is a genius, and an incredibly sucessfull weapons manufacturer. Plus, he STILL had help and even with all that, the suit fell apart after it's first flight.

Eh, who cares really? I don't know why I'm still arguing this.

[gridlockd]

I just never understood peters motivation for making the shooters? So you're a kid who all of a sudden is blessed with super strenght, agility, spider sense but the first thing you think to do after you get them is to spend countless hours inventing some sort of webbing solution?

I'm pretty sure he'd just enjoy the powers and not go throught the hassle of inventing some new type of tech.

Hellava point you got there.

[p4poetic]

Even though I don't like them, in order to differentiate this series from the previous one it must be web shooters.

[Whiskey Tango]

So he's an inventor who had a hugely sucessful invention at an incredibly young age with virtually no training, resources or guidance and then gave up on inventing? Decided to go into newspaper photography? What happened to his scientific curiousity? His desire to help mankind?

He became Spider-Man, which takes up much of his free time. Add to that a part-time job to help pay the bills, high school, prepping for college and the occasional jab at a social life and he doesn't have time to pursue hardcore scientific endeavors.

And you know your underplaying a 15 year old creating web shooters out of thin air. It's a stretch even for sci - fi. The super powers stretch sci-fi plausibility enough as it is.

This is nonsensical horse****. It's like hating Terminator because you love the time travel but the killer robots shred believability.

I mean, more power to you, but it's kind of sad that you allow your imagination to be restricted like that.

[NinjaCarm]

I agree with some of you, I'm not quite liking the organic / mechanical combo, I just want the mechanical, showing off his intelligence, not to mention allowing for a dramatic moment of him being out of web fluid in a scene or two.

[gridlockd]

He became Spider-Man, which takes up much of his free time. Add to that a part-time job to help pay the bills, high school, prepping for college and the occasional jab at a social life and he doesn't have time to pursue hardcore scientific endeavors.

This is nonsensical horse****. It's like hating Terminator because you love the time travel but the killer robots shred believability.

I mean, more power to you, but it's kind of sad that you allow your imagination to be restricted like that.


How hardcore was it to invent? Did it take years? Months? An hour? The origin kinda glosses over this point - and for good reason.


I can imagine anything. But it doesn't necessarily make for a coherent screenplay.

[the amazing fro]

I personally don't like Web Shooters (I've thought they were stupid ever since I was little) purely on the basis that if you get all the powers of a spider you at least expect some freaking organic webbing.

However they do show off petes intellect. (the whole a high school kids not clever enough to make them thing is retarded. There are some really clever teens out there. How he got the materials to make them without arousing suspicion is another story all together) and would distinguish these films from the Raimi films.

[cryptic name]

How hardcore was it to invent? Did it take years? Months? An hour? The origin kinda glosses over this point - and for good reason.


I can imagine anything. But it doesn't necessarily make for a coherent screenplay.

nor an incoherent one.

if they need to take the time, and they should because those only familiar with the films need an explanation, they can go the ultimate route and say the adhesive "spider silk" was something his father was working on before he died, and peter had been tinkering with it most of his life.

[gridlockd]

nor an incoherent one.

if they need to take the time, and they should because those only familiar with the films need an explanation, they can go the ultimate route and say the adhesive "spider silk" was something his father was working on before he died, and peter had been tinkering with it most of his life.


This "Ultimate" origin PROVES that even professional Spider-Man comic book writers agree that the web-shooter origin was way too far fetched. Ok? Vindicated. If it made total sense in the first place, there would have been no need to change it. Instead, they made if his fathers' invention. So thank you for this post. Helleva lot more plausible.

Still not perfect however. His fathers' interest in spidery things is still a bit too coincidental but let's just go out on a win here...

[cryptic name]

This "Ultimate" origin PROVES that even professional Spider-Man comic book writers agree that the web-shooter origin was way too far fetched. Ok? Vindicated. If it made total sense in the first place, there would have been no need to change it. Instead, they made if his fathers' invention. So thank you for this post. Helleva lot more plausible.

Still not perfect however. His fathers' interest in spidery things is still a bit too coincidental but let's just go out on a win here...

this a comic book world in which the iron tech armor and countless other crazy inventions exist, the web shooters are nowhere near too far fetched. the marvel universe is not our world, crazy technology is the norm.

[Whiskey Tango]

This "Ultimate" origin PROVES that even professional Spider-Man comic book writers agree that the web-shooter origin was way too far fetched. Ok? Vindicated. If it made total sense in the first place, there would have been no need to change it. Instead, they made if his fathers' invention. So thank you for this post. Helleva lot more plausible.

Still not perfect however. His fathers' interest in spidery things is still a bit too coincidental but let's just go out on a win here...

It doesn't 'prove' a goddamn thing, it's just one of several elements Bendis decided to change for the new series. Stop trying to force your crappy realism fetish on everyone else.

[Bren]

Imo, the arguments actually have very little to do with plausibility and such, most are just arguing because they prefer one or the other. A decent filmmaker could get either way to 'work' for the GA.

That said, I prefer combining organic fluid with webshooters, because it allows a certain realism (to me!) in that he gets the ability to produce some type of fluid (similar to spiders), but only his intellect and genuis allows him to turn it into something useful after analysing it in his highschool lab.

[TheWallCrawler]

The Camel spider (also know as a Sun Spider, Wind Spider and Winder Scorpion) is a member of the order Solifugae, and as such do not spin webs.

This order of spider also has no venom either. The camel spider is a nocturnal animal and hunts it's prey as if it were a scorpion, therefore there is no need for a web.

Possible explanation as to why Peter can't spin his own webs.




I don't think we really need an explanation for that...

besides, he may have the web shooters but there's still a chance that he would have organic webbing, but this time he would need those web shooters to control it :awesome:

[spider1975]

I'm still trying to understand why anyone except for spiderman would want webfluid/adhesive that dissolves in a hour in the real (or any)world. What is so perfect about it? I could see it if he created the perfect spider like silk enzyme in which it could make the strongest tensile, body armor stronger then kevlar,and glue that couldn't be removed with nail polish. IT DISSOLVES INTO POWDER IN ABOUT A HOUR.. SMH Doogie Houser could create that. Tony Stark or Reed Richards could create it to be permanent if they wanted to.. But this imperfect formula works for Spiderman and he has defeated enemies without it at times and slightly modified it based on need.

I don't get the Huh-Bub on realizm when it was all about screen time with Raimi. And he put out a BS comment that he'll probably never repeat if you asked him again

Which was?

[Dr Tactics]

Which was?

It was..

Raimi said that if his Peter Parker could invent the steely web fluid featured in the comics, it would undermine the audience's ability to identify with him as a regular kid. "When he can develop a material that even 3M ... can't seem to develop, it starts to distance him from a real human being," Raimi said. Providing Peter with a physical transformation also serves a character purpose, the director added. "It's another device to create alienation, because Peter Parker has always been an outcast, and Spider-Man a misunderstood hero," Raimi said. "I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. ... It's a great choice, and it was inspired by James Cameron's treatment."

But I don't want to rehash his reasoning as it has been analyzed and beaten to death. Folks here don't realize or cares that organic webbing DOESN'T Dissolve. It's more environmentally friendly for the web fluid to be a imperfect experiment

[The Spawn]

Mechanical gets my vote. Organic only makes sense if it's coming out of his butt.

[I Am The Knight]

I can't believe so many people still want the organic webs.

[Spidey_62]

Emma Stone confirmed he has webshooters at the Golden Globes tonight. (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1656086/spiderman-will-use-device-shoot-webs-emma-stone.jhtml)

After the geeky shock of seeing Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1655896/spiderman-star-andrew-garfields-first-photo-spidey.jhtml) for the first time wore off, savvy observers noticed a potentially huge clue hidden within the newly released first-look photo from Sony Pictures: Garfield's boy wonder seemed to be sporting metal discs on his wrists, suggesting that he employs a mechanical device to shoot webs, rather than organically emitting them from his body.

That would mean a sharp break from previous "Spider-Man" films (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/01/13/andrew-garfield-spider-man-costume-2) — Tobey Maguire's Peter Parker shot webs directly from his wrists — but one that's still in keeping with established comics lore. Recent story lines have shown both a Spidey with web-shooters and a Spidey able to naturally shoot webs on his own. The new photo, while tantalizing, offered no firm proof either way.

But now "Spider-Man" star Emma Stone has stepped in and delivered the first definitive answer.
"It's a device," she said on the Golden Globes red carpet (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1656066/golden-globes-fashion-justin-bieber-natalie-portman-go-ultra-glam.jhtml) when MTV News asked about the discs on her co-star's wrists.
The interviewer asked if the webs would come out of his hands, or if it was a device. And she said it was a device. Very cool.

[Caped Crusader]

The interviewer asked if the webs would come out of his hands, or if it was a device. And she said it was a device. Very cool.

Good thing Nolan wasn't the director lol :ninja:

[Darkest-Knight]

Great news.

[Mister J]

Emma Stone confirmed he has webshooters at the Golden Globes tonight. (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1656086/spiderman-will-use-device-shoot-webs-emma-stone.jhtml)

The interviewer asked if the webs would come out of his hands, or if it was a device. And she said it was a device. Very cool.
:hrt:

[Bruce Malone]

The thing that get's me about him inventing web shooters and synthetic web is what is the impetus?!

I mean you're a teenager who's suddenly given super-strength, agility, the ability to crawl on walls with your bare hands what in the world would then drive you to spend hours and hours trying to add some other ability?! You'd be pretty damn happy with all that already. At least w batman's inventing he's creating stuff because he has no powers at all.

[Whiskey Tango]

The thing that get's me about him inventing web shooters and synthetic web is what is the impetus?!

I mean you're a teenager who's suddenly given super-strength, agility, the ability to crawl on walls with your bare hands what in the world would then drive you to spend hours and hours trying to add some other ability?! You'd be pretty damn happy with all that already. At least w batman's inventing he's creating stuff because he has no powers at all.

I think if you reach this point you're seriously overthinking things. Cuz if you ran with this you'd end up with a comic book called "Super-Strong Wall-Sticky Teenage Guy" and who wants to read a comic with a ****** title like that?

[Mike_D202]

I like how everybody was against organics when the first movie first started being made, even had a huge petition and made news headlines.

Now everybody is pissed that they're not organics. I'm sorry but it just doesn't make any sense to me that he would produce web fluid in both of his wrists coincidentally.

The "Ultimate Spider-Man" handled the explaination for mechanics very well in my opinion, Peter's dad was a scientist and he found a formula for an adhesive glue that he was working on in his basement amongst other paperwork. He just reproduced it and modifed it (Peter IS a science whiz).

[PSYLENTGuardian]

I like how everybody was against organics when the first movie first started being made, even had a huge petition and made news headlines.

Now everybody is pissed that they're not organics.
Well we are on Superhero Hype... :oldrazz:

[PreK]

Holy crap, I visit this thread twice a week and EVERY time the same three or four questions are constantly asked when the answers are on the previous page. There should be an updated first post that highlights all the arguments, because these 60 pages could easily be condensed into less than 10 if it had progressive discussion.

My experience reading this topic has been "take one step forward, return and take three steps back".

[Gianakin_]

Mechanical? Good.

[The Squirrel]

WooT! Web shooters. Finally! :woot:

[Octoberist]

The thing that get's me about him inventing web shooters and synthetic web is what is the impetus?!

I mean you're a teenager who's suddenly given super-strength, agility, the ability to crawl on walls with your bare hands what in the world would then drive you to spend hours and hours trying to add some other ability?! You'd be pretty damn happy with all that already. At least w batman's inventing he's creating stuff because he has no powers at all.

Haha, when you sleep at night, do you dream of what and what won't work in comic book movies?

[spider-neil]

it's possible pete has organics and they are just directed and regulated by web shooters

[BrollySupersj]

Going mechanical this time around eh? Alright, I'm AOK with that. :D

Now we can hear Spider-Man say "Oh no, out of web fluid!".

[Casius--J]

Well we all pretty much knew he had web shooters this time around from that official pic they released, but its nice to get a bit of confirmation.

Emma Stone sure looked like she didn't want to answer that question though haha

[Mace Bloodstone]

it's possible pete has organics and they are just directed and regulated by web shooters

Could be...

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I like how everybody was against organics when the first movie first started being made, even had a huge petition and made news headlines.

Now everybody is pissed that they're not organics. I'm sorry but it just doesn't make any sense to me that he would produce web fluid in both of his wrists coincidentally.

The "Ultimate Spider-Man" handled the explaination for mechanics very well in my opinion, Peter's dad was a scientist and he found a formula for an adhesive glue that he was working on in his basement amongst other paperwork. He just reproduced it and modifed it (Peter IS a science whiz).

Right. It can work. Personally, I'm fine with either organics or webshooters. Doesn't bother me. But with webshooters, it can produce a challenge for Peter. 'What if the cartridges run out? How far can the webbing stick?' But Pete's a whiz kid, I'm sure he's got this all considered and figured out. I just wish he'd fix those dumb gloves on his suit. :argh:

[Nathan]

Right. It can work. Personally, I'm fine with either organics or webshooters. Doesn't bother me. But with webshooters, it can produce a challenge for Peter. 'What if the cartridges run out? How far can the webbing stick?' But Pete's a whiz kid, I'm sure he's got this all considered and figured out. I just wish he'd fix those dumb gloves on his suit. :argh:

It's completely idiotic how that apparently that isn't considered a problem if he has organics. "Oh, they are organic, the webs are infinite."

[Eggyman]

I was okay with either, but I'm very happy about webshooters. It adds another dimension to the character.

Just think, in two years I'll have this on Blu-ray and I'll be watching the sh** out of it and the special features :)

[Spider-ManHero12]

As I said in another thread, it's good to know Emma confirmed it. :up:

[블라스]

I don't know what people complaining about mechanical shooters are expecting from a movie about a kid who gets spider powers.

[Knight Rise]

Well, now if he ever falls from the sky again, we can just call him a dumbass. thats when the belt is born

[HopeOfTheFuture]

One of the very first trailers for Spider-Man featured non-organic web shooters, but I guess they abandoned this idea:



http://home.planet.nl/~huijs090/spidey/sm1-e3teaser06.jpg


http://home.planet.nl/~huijs090/spidey/sm1-e3teaser07.jpg

[Zimmy]

Mech webshooters?

Can't wait to see him invent an invisibility ring in Act 2 and a Spidey-mobile in Act 3.

I'm hoping the director is smart enough to not spend too much time on it and kind of wink at the camera and say, "just go with it".

[Eggyman]

Mech webshooters?

Can't wait to see him invent an invisibility ring in Act 2 and a Spidey-mobile in Act 3.

I'm hoping the director is smart enough to not spend too much time on it and kind of wink at the camera and say, "just go with it".

Maybe he'll invent an ejector seat that only targets those with little-to-no imagination. An alarm on the internet would buzz when such a person were found and then he'd press his Spiderbutton and BOOM, Space Monkey go bye-bye.

You've read the comics, right? You know this is how it's been in the comics? Also, invisibility rings don't work. I bought one from this old Chinese woman down a back ally and it gave me herpes of the finger.

[Pac-Master]

Cool to see they're going with something new this time.

[Alex The Great]

Emma Stone confirmed he has webshooters at the Golden Globes tonight. (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1656086/spiderman-will-use-device-shoot-webs-emma-stone.jhtml)

The interviewer asked if the webs would come out of his hands, or if it was a device. And she said it was a device. Very cool.
Nice. :up: