Keep the ORGANICS or WEB SHOOTERS???!!!!

[Spider-X]

EFF YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!

Emma looked a bit nervous about giving out that information but thanks to her all the same! It's made me even more excited about this movie. This is great news.

[Naite22]

Good thing Nolan wasn't the director lol :ninja:
Let's face it. Had Nolan been the director, he would have had Peter Parker shoot web out of his ****ing A-hole!! THAT, would have been the "realistic" approach... But somehow that just doesn't work, now does it. :huh:

[Eggyman]

He wouldn't be able to give Aunt May the real reason why his underpants are sticky :o

[Doctor Jones]

James Cameron would though.

[Spider-X]

Let's face it. Had Nolan been the director, he would have had Peter Parker shoot web out of his ****ing A-hole!! THAT, would have been the "realistic" approach... But somehow that just doesn't work, now does it. :huh:

:whatever:

That comment is ridiculous...

Chris Nolan is a fantastic director who cares for source material. Even though I like Spider-Man MUCH more than Batman, I still acknowledge that his Batman movies are fantastic.

[Naite22]

I think if you reach this point you're seriously overthinking things. Cuz if you ran with this you'd end up with a comic book called "Super-Strong Wall-Sticky Teenage Guy" and who wants to read a comic with a ****** title like that?

I agree... I just hope they spend enough time on seeing Parker Create and develope the web-shooters then! The audience needs to believe that this guy is a genius! Doesn't he have these little bottles with the fluid for making web inside of it? Which he places in the wrist somewhere?

[Eggyman]

James Cameron would though.

'...see, Aunt May, I was on this bridge...'

'PEtEr, I believe there's a dogger in all of us.'

[Naite22]

:whatever:

That comment is ridiculous...

Chris Nolan is a fantastic director who cares for source material. Even though I like Spider-Man MUCH more than Batman, I still acknowledge that his Batman movies are fantastic.

Firstly, I find it pretty darn funny :-)
Secondly, it was a joke...

And for the record, Chris Nolan is one of my absolute favorite directors of all time. The Dark Knight is also one the best movies I ever saw. It's about as close as you can come to perfection. It's the "superhero movie" to which all other superhero movies are meassured, and there's a reason for that. Only problem is, you can't go down the route of batman with every superhero out there though.

[SpiderJ]

the question is............does Peter invent the web fluid, too?

or does he produce the fluid organically, but need the mechanical shooters to shoot them out ( which was the idea in the Cameron script and what they were originally planning in the Raimi films, if I recall )?

[Spider-X]

Firstly, I find it pretty darn funny :-)
Secondly, it was a joke...

And for the record, Chris Nolan is one of my absolute favorite directors of all time. The Dark Knight is also one the best movies I ever saw. It's about as close as you can come to perfection.

Ah, right on. Sorry...you stick around here long enough and you see some pretty overdramatic and hyperbole posts from some people. It's hard not to comment at times to take them down a notch. Glad to see you aren't one of those people.

[Naite22]

Ah, right on. Sorry...you stick around here long enough and you see some pretty overdramatic and hyperbole posts from some people. It's hard not to comment at times to take them down a notch. Glad to see you aren't one of those people.

^ I try not to be :-)

[Doc Samson]

I don't know, to me, it was one of those movie changes that actually made sense. Peter was gifted with the ability to climb walls, super strength and speed, agility, spider-sense, and yet, he can't shoot webs naturally?

Not a huge deal either way, but I still say, for the people bashing Raimi's suit as "too perfect" for a kid with Peter's means to create, I ask, how in the hell would he be able to create web-shooters with those same financial issues?

[Mike_D202]

One of the very first trailers for Spider-Man featured non-organic web shooters, but I guess they abandoned this idea:



http://home.planet.nl/~huijs090/spidey/sm1-e3teaser06.jpg


http://home.planet.nl/~huijs090/spidey/sm1-e3teaser07.jpg

Those were just devices that helped him aim/streamline his organics. It was explained awhile ago in a news bit.

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

People have this bizarre misconception about Nolan being all about making everything realistic. What they don't seem to realize is that the down-to-earth approach he's taking with his Batman movies has as much to do with Batman as it does Nolan himself. One of the unique things about Batman in the world of comics is that he has no superpowers, and many of his rogues are powerless too. That's something that a lot of Batman fans like about him, and that's the side that Nolan decided to play off of, and play up, for his movies. If he took on something like Spider-Man, where the source material was unquestionably more grounded in fantasy and science fiction, he wouldn't just senselessly try to "real it up" at every turn. Not everyone is show business is a one-trick pony.

[Oscorp]

People have this bizarre misconception about Nolan being all about making everything realistic. What they don't seem to realize is that the down-to-earth approach he's taking with his Batman movies has as much to do with Batman as it does Nolan himself. One of the unique things about Batman in the world of comics is that he has no superpowers, and many of his rogues are powerless too. That's something that a lot of Batman fans like about him, and that's the side that Nolan decided to play off of, and play up, for his movies. If he took on something like Spider-Man, where the source material was unquestionably more grounded in fantasy and science fiction, he wouldn't just senselessly try to "real it up" at every turn. Not everyone is show business is a one-trick pony.

A very good post.

Nolan ain't afraid of unrealistic stuff. Just look at "The Prestige" and "Inception".

[Spider-Aziz]

Those were just devices that helped him aim/streamline his organics. It was explained awhile ago in a news bit.
So they weren't just invented by PAD for the movie novel?

[Zimmy]

the question is............does Peter invent the web fluid, too?

or does he produce the fluid organically, but need the mechanical shooters to shoot them out ( which was the idea in the Cameron script and what they were originally planning in the Raimi films, if I recall )?

Produce it organically? Are you out of your mind? How could he possibly do that??

Nope, 4 times a day, a huge tanker truck full of web fluid pulls up to Aunt May's house.

Scratch that, the magical web-shooters somehow take an ounce of fluid and stretch it for miles. Otherwise he would have to wear a huge scuba tank on his back along with those nifty gold mech wrist shooters from the photo.

Again, I'm in the group that says, the ability to invent this magical device is the real super power, forget dressing up and fighting crime, keep on inventing!!! You will do 10x more for society then beating up on some thugs.

[Timstuff]

I am almost positive that using mechanical web shooters is nothing more than a ploy to buy the loyalty of the fans who hated Raimi's Spider-Man for having organic ones. And the sad part is, looking at these comments, it seems to be working. Some people are willing to actually put up with that horrendous, chaotic rubber/plastic costume as long as they get a detail from the comics as arbitrary as mechanical web shooters. Why is it bad for Spider-Man's web shooters to be organic, and yet it's OK for him to have this bizarre, organic looking costume? His costume looks more like something out of a Clive Barker novel than a comic book, and yet all is forgiven as long as he has mechanical shooters. Well played, Sony, well played indeed.

[Gamma Burst]

Fantastic news! Finally those horrible organic webs are gone.;)

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm down for switching to mechanical for a change. I've always wanted to see a live-action version of how dumb it is for a guy who got bitten by a spider and got spider-powers to....run out of webbing :dry:

Produce it organically? Are you out of your mind? How could he possibly do that??

I'm gonna assume you're serious. Would it be unbelievable for him to produce webbing naturally? In a universe where people shoot lasers out of their eyes and can turn into water with little to no explanation; a guy who got the powers of a spider being able to spin webs is ridiculous?

[Nathan]

Again, why is that apparently not a problem with organic webbing? The guy sure can't piss forever. Why wouldn't he run out of webs, just because they are organic?

[Colossal Spoons]

Again, why is that apparently not a problem with organic webbing? The guy sure can't piss forever. Why wouldn't he run out of webs, just because they are organic?

Urine is a waste product. The amount of urine produced depends on how much fluid was ingested(not talking down to you, just saying :p). A spider's webbing is a tool that should be regenerating and get stored every second he's not using it.

[Nathan]

It can't regenerate out of thin air though. His body would need the resources to keep producing it. What happens if he's in a long, drawn out fight? He keeps shooting those webs, some time he's got to run dry.

[Colossal Spoons]

It can't regenerate out of thin air though. His body would need the resources to keep producing it. What happens if he's in a long, drawn out fight? He keeps shooting those webs, some time he's got to run dry.

That is true. I guess my main issue has less to do with it being finite vs infinite resource but why the organic webbing wasn't just part of the powers granted to him by the spider bite. I've heard the argument that the web shooters were to give him a "homemade hero" feel but who cares? Batman is homemade, Peter got superpowers.

[Mike_D202]

So they weren't just invented by PAD for the movie novel?

Nope I believe it was pre-production test footage before anything was decided on. Toby's hair looked kinda funny.

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[Timstuff]

So, let me see if I'm getting this right...

Organic webs = bad

Organic costume = good

http://cdn.superherohype.com/images/stories/garfieldspiderman(1).jpg

??

[Spider-Aziz]

So, let me see if I'm getting this right...

Organic webs = bad

Organic costume = good
??What the hey is an organic costume?

[Whiskey Tango]

Just assume he meant orgasmic. :up:

[Gamma Burst]

So, let me see if I'm getting this right...


Organic costume ?????




:doh:

[PreK]

So, let me see if I'm getting this right...

Organic webs = bad

Organic costume = good
??
Just because it's the same word, doesn't mean it has the same meaning under differing contexts. There is no comparison as the two aren't related.

[The Joker]

Organic costume? So is Spidey's suit growing out of his skin? ;)

[socool]

Organic costume? So is Spidey's suit growing out of his skin? ;)

He shouldn't eat so many fruity pebbles. It wouldn't come out red-n-blue otherwise.

[Spidey_62]

If he had an organic costume, wouldn't it be part of his body? The new suit is streamlined, that's the word you're looking for.

[Eelectro 2]

woo-hoo mechanical device confirmed!

[MessiahDecoy123]

Poor Emma. She had no idea that question had so much baggage.

She probably figured, "this is just a tiny, innocent question".

[hopefuldreamer]

Very happy it's not organics again :D

[Timstuff]

If he had an organic costume, wouldn't it be part of his body? The new suit is streamlined, that's the word you're looking for.

No, the suit has an organic look to it. That is what I meant, unless you simply accept it as being made out of rubber and plastic and run with it. The suit looks like it's made out of some kind of skin, almost like Venom's costume. I'm sure it will never be brought up in the movie and it will just be a case of "it's a movie, who cares if it doesn't look like anything he could plausibly make?", but it does not look like actual fabric. I simply find it amusing that the same people who despise the idea of Spider-Man having organic webs also love the idea of him having a costume that looks like it's growing off of his body. Then again, I don't think anyone has ever accused fanboys of having well-placed priorities when it comes to adaptations.

[docdoc]

In the oringinal series, I always wonder how the web shot out through the coustume...??

[TheSlag]

Just assume he meant orgasmic. :up:

LOL! :up:

[Alchemyst]

In the oringinal series, I always wonder how the web shot out through the coustume...??

I'm gonna say small slits in the wrists of his suit where the nozzle sticks out :cwink:

[TheSlag]

Poor Emma. She had no idea that question had so much baggage.

She probably figured, "this is just a tiny, innocent question".

Agreed! I can see Webb and Sony big wigs going... :doh: :doh: :woot:

[NinjaTurtleFan]

It's completely idiotic how that apparently that isn't considered a problem if he has organics. "Oh, they are organic, the webs are infinite."

How? Raimi made it possible for him to shoot as far as he wanted/could. The only time where his webs weren't infinite was in "2" when suddenly he kept losing his powers, otherwise he had an infinite supply of webbing with organic. Now, it begs a problem. Raimi made organics work and now Webb will make the webshooters work.

My whole gripe more than anything is the changes in the suit and gloves, otherwise I could give a **** less over the organics versus webshooters debate. It's frivolous IMO and I'm a life-long Spidey fan.

[HopeOfTheFuture]

Those were just devices that helped him aim/streamline his organics. It was explained awhile ago in a news bit.
Didn't know that. Do you have a link of that so I can read/watch it?

[Mike_D202]

Didn't know that. Do you have a link of that so I can read/watch it?

It's the very first post on this page lol

[spider-neil]

I remember reading a what if story where the black suit sucks the lifeforce out of peter, turns him into an old man and kills him. anyway, reed richards comes across peter's notes for killing the black suit and comments they are some of the most advanced equations he has ever seen.

peter parker is one of the most intelligent people in the marvel universe, as long as sony properly show his (peter) genius then the audience will absolutely buy that someone so clever could invent webs.

look at iron man, they establish he (stark) is a genius so when he invents the suit the audience totally buy it, and the iron man suit is 100 times more complex then the webshooters.

[Zimmy]

I wanted to change my Flash analogy which I mistakenly used "Jet Boots" as an example.

I seem to remember, in the comics, Flash would eject his costume from his ring when he needed it.

So, if they make a Flash movie, and it doesn't include this magic ring he invented that can hold a full sized man's costume (boot's included), the same people that insist on mech web shooters will be just as outraged, correct?

If not, it smells an awful lot like hypocrisy.

[HopeOfTheFuture]

It's the very first post on this page lol
no it's not. At least I can't find it there about the first movie.

[Gianakin_]

no it's not. At least I can't find it there about the first movie.

It is the first post. There you go!

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=19516073&postcount=1526

[Timstuff]

Just assume he meant orgasmic. :up:

If by that you mean it looks like someone took a http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg117/Timstuff_photos/jizzed_in_my_pants.gif all over it, I agree.

[Alex The Great]

If by that you mean it looks like someone took a http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg117/Timstuff_photos/jizzed_in_my_pants.gif all over it, I agree.
Right :dry:

[Whiskey Tango]

Tim, I think you know exactly what I meant. :)

[the dmg]

No, the suit has an organic look to it. That is what I meant, unless you simply accept it as being made out of rubber and plastic and run with it. The suit looks like it's made out of some kind of skin, almost like Venom's costume. I'm sure it will never be brought up in the movie and it will just be a case of "it's a movie, who cares if it doesn't look like anything he could plausibly make?", but it does not look like actual fabric. I simply find it amusing that the same people who despise the idea of Spider-Man having organic webs also love the idea of him having a costume that looks like it's growing off of his body. Then again, I don't think anyone has ever accused fanboys of having well-placed priorities when it comes to adaptations.
Having a pair of Under Armour gloves, and looking at the design of the costume, it definitely looks like fabric.
http://www.rei.com/zoom/n/1350266.jpg/330

[Mike_D202]

no it's not. At least I can't find it there about the first movie.

Sorry, the posts rearrange when a new page is made.

QrxqEvYut1w

[Mach2Infinity]

I have to say I am disappointed that they're going with the mechanical webshooters in light of seeing organic webshooters with the latest films. I'm not a comic-book fan of Spider-Man, I seldom read graphic novels nor comics and so I'm not so ingrained with the character on 'page' and his mecahnical webshooter. However, like many others when I was growing up as a child. I was always fascinated with Spider-Man, I have various memorabilia of him, cups, clothing (pyjamas with balaclava hah), games and even an old 'comic book' (tome) which I don't know how old it is. I would watch the cartoons and I even liked the live-action films made in the 70's. So whilst I'm not an ardent comic book lover of the character, I've always grown up with the character and he's one of my favourite superheroes.

When I find out that the Sam Raimi made "Spider-Man" would have its eponymous hero with organic webshooters, I was quite surprised and at first unsure of whether it would work. Once I saw them on-screen, I loved it and it made perfect sense to me. If you're going to have an average human male's genetic structure completely changed and mutated by a spider bite, one in which confers its abilities upon him. The natural extension of such an idea would be for him to be able to make and shoot web, right?

However, the arguments for mechanical webshooters are valid ones. It showcases Peter Parker's intellect in addition to his scientific and technical accumen by being able to create his own artificial webbing. It introduces an element of danger and suspense if he runs out of web fluid or if his webshooters are rendered inoperable.

The one reason why I felt some wanted to see them was because it was a different approach to the previous films and that any and all stylistic/design differences should be used. Merely for the sake of being different from the previous films. I'm dead against this move but the character does have a long history enshrined in the comics and so it's natural that it would be a popular choice.

I remember a while back when I had a heated argument here over the matter. I suggested that Peter Parker could create mechanical webshooters after examining the web excreted from his organic ones. However, the other poster said this undermines Peter Parker's ingenuity because he gacquired the blueprints for the web fluid from his own body and not conjured up in his brain. Isn't this a moot point? He gains inspiration for shooting web by being familiar with the abilities of a spider.

I think the key to the question is embracing both concepts - mechanical and organic. I think that Spider-Man should begin with mechanical webshooters and then through some further genetic mutation; such as the storyline where he grows additional limbs that he has the ability to naturally shoot web. As Dr. Curt Connors is confirmed for the film, he's involved with genetics clearly, this would make sense. Furthermore, Spider-Man faces a number of unqiue villains who would required special webbing to combat. Which would necessitate the creation of artificial web fluid.

I think the approach that it has to be "one or the other" is too myopic and it lacks a creative spirit which we as fans and admirers of the character want to see invested in him.

I want to finish by saying that I did discuss a hybrid concept and the blending of the two concepts a long while ago when I had that argument. I know someone mentioned the idea here very recently and it inspired me to post on the subject once again. Hopefully with less vitriol in response!

[Alchemyst]

I have to say I am disappointed that they're going with the mechanical webshooters in light of seeing organic webshooters with the latest films. I'm not a comic-book fan of Spider-Man, I seldom read graphic novels nor comics and so I'm not so ingrained with the character on 'page' and his mecahnical webshooter. However, like many others when I was growing up as a child. I was always fascinated with Spider-Man, I have various memorabilia of him, cups, clothing (pyjamas with balaclava hah), games and even an old 'comic book' (tome) which I don't know how old it is. I would watch the cartoons and I even liked the live-action films made in the 70's. So whilst I'm not an ardent comic book lover of the character, I've always grown up with the character and he's one of my favourite superheroes.

When I find out that the Sam Raimi made "Spider-Man" would have its eponymous hero with organic webshooters, I was quite surprised and at first unsure of whether it would work. Once I saw them on-screen, I loved it and it made perfect sense to me. If you're going to have an average human male's genetic structure completely changed and mutated by a spider bite, one in which confers its abilities upon him. The natural extension of such an idea would be for him to be able to make and shoot web, right?

However, the arguments for mechanical webshooters are valid ones. It showcases Peter Parker's intellect in addition to his scientific and technical accumen by being able to create his own artificial webbing. It introduces an element of danger and suspense if he runs out of web fluid or if his webshooters are rendered inoperable.

The one reason why I felt some wanted to see them was because it was a different approach to the previous films and that any and all stylistic/design differences should be used. Merely for the sake of being different from the previous films. I'm dead against this move but the character does have a long history enshrined in the comics and so it's natural that it would be a popular choice.

I remember a while back when I had a heated argument here over the matter. I suggested that Peter Parker could create mechanical webshooters after examining the web excreted from his organic ones. However, the other poster said this undermines Peter Parker's ingenuity because he gacquired the blueprints for the web fluid from his own body and not conjured up in his brain. Isn't this a moot point? He gains inspiration for shooting web by being familiar with the abilities of a spider.

I think the key to the question is embracing both concepts - mechanical and organic. I think that Spider-Man should begin with mechanical webshooters and then through some further genetic mutation; such as the storyline where he grows additional limbs that he has the ability to naturally shoot web. As Dr. Curt Connors is confirmed for the film, he's involved with genetics clearly, this would make sense. Furthermore, Spider-Man faces a number of unqiue villains who would required special webbing to combat. Which would necessitate the creation of artificial web fluid.

I think the approach that it has to be "one or the other" is too myopic and it lacks a creative spirit which we as fans and admirers of the character want to see invested in him.

I want to finish by saying that I did discuss a hybrid concept and the blending of the two concepts a long while ago when I had that argument. I know someone mentioned the idea here very recently and it inspired me to post on the subject once again. Hopefully with less vitriol in response!

Truth be told, having a hybrid of the two would possibly cause more confusion to people who are not that familiar with Spider-Man. Raimi used organic webbing as part of the mutation that occured when Parker was bitten, it was logical within the scope of the film. Now, we're dealing with a reboot, so obviously there's gonna have to be a different approach to some of the mythos of Spider-Man to set itself apart from the previous franchise, we've already witnessed the suit itself undergo changes to fit in with the tone of the new film, and with that also came his webshooters playing a role as well. I myself find the idea of including them to be great because we can now see Spidey improvise should he run out. I don't think they will overplay it and have him run out constantly but it will play a factor in his battles.

[Mach2Infinity]

Yes but as I said. The hybrid concept would work if he were to have mechanical webshooters at first. Then a plotline within the second film would involve something to do with creating a genetic mutation, perhaps resulting from Dr. Curt Connors' work on genetics. The genius of Peter Parker in not simply in inventing web fluid and other substances but also utilising his genetic mutation and effectively channel it into a potent tool. I think there is scope to explore the hybrid concept which won't alienate nor confuse the audience if done correctly and it would highlight his intellect by being able to fuse both sources into a hybrid mechanism - bio-mechanical if you will.

[storyteller]

I want Spiderman to be more Spider and less what if Captain America wore Spidermans costume.

[Spectacular23]

I want Spiderman to be more Spider and less what if Captain America wore Spidermans costume.

I'm going to say what i heard someone else say. Spider-man doesn't actually have "Spider-powers" except for wall-crawling. But that basically his actual "super-power". The bite didn't transform him into an actual spider. Or a spider/human hybrid. No it made him a meta-human. Which were advance enhancements to Peter's human body. Spiders don't have "spider Sense" Although they can feel vibrations and stuff. Peter has speed and agility and reflexes beyond of what a normal person can achieve. They just have the "looks" or so say Spider-like.

[daveswb]

I think people that don't want mechanical web shooters miss the point of the web shooters. I think Stan Lee created the concept of mechanical web shooters for 3 main reasons.

1. It has been said that the idea of person creating webs organically was too creepy for the average reader (kid) when the character was created in the 60's. He was hero so he can't be creepy. That aside the other 2 reasons are

2. It gave an opportunity to show that Peter Parker was a highly intelligent scientist and wasn’t your average teen. Part of the appeal of Spider-man to me has always been his intellect which I feel they missed (along with his sarcastic wit) in the first 3 movies.

3. Finally it is a good plot device for his stories. Instead of him getting beat up and the bad guy gets away he runs out of web fluid. Or he can’t get out of a spot because he is out. Which is still used in the books today. Some could argue it get’s old, but if it isn’t done too much it still works.

[Zimmy]

I think people that don't want mechanical web shooters miss the point of the web shooters. I think Stan Lee created the concept of mechanical web shooters for 3 main reasons.

1. It has been said that the idea of person creating webs organically was too creepy for the average reader (kid) when the character was created in the 60's. He was hero so he can't be creepy. That aside the other 2 reasons are

2. It gave an opportunity to show that Peter Parker was a highly intelligent scientist and wasn’t your average teen. Part of the appeal of Spider-man to me has always been his intellect which I feel they missed (along with his sarcastic wit) in the first 3 movies.

3. Finally it is a good plot device for his stories. Instead of him getting beat up and the bad guy gets away he runs out of web fluid. Or he can’t get out of a spot because he is out. Which is still used in the books today. Some could argue it get’s old, but if it isn’t done too much it still works.

All excellent points and it also proves why it doesn't work today.

It's 2011.

[Mach2Infinity]

I think people that don't want mechanical web shooters miss the point of the web shooters. I think Stan Lee created the concept of mechanical web shooters for 3 main reasons.

1. It has been said that the idea of person creating webs organically was too creepy for the average reader (kid) when the character was created in the 60's. He was hero so he can't be creepy. That aside the other 2 reasons are

2. It gave an opportunity to show that Peter Parker was a highly intelligent scientist and wasn’t your average teen. Part of the appeal of Spider-man to me has always been his intellect which I feel they missed (along with his sarcastic wit) in the first 3 movies.

3. Finally it is a good plot device for his stories. Instead of him getting beat up and the bad guy gets away he runs out of web fluid. Or he can’t get out of a spot because he is out. Which is still used in the books today. Some could argue it get’s old, but if it isn’t done too much it still works.

daveswb that's inaccurate as in my post where I stated my opposition to mechanical webshooters, I had already stated the points you made with numbers two and three of yours. It's not a case of "we don't get it" if we don't want mechanical webshooters, I think that's a rather simplistic approach. We merely like the organic concept because for us it worked so well in the previous films.

[Alchemyst]

I think people that don't want mechanical web shooters miss the point of the web shooters. I think Stan Lee created the concept of mechanical web shooters for 3 main reasons.

1. It has been said that the idea of person creating webs organically was too creepy for the average reader (kid) when the character was created in the 60's. He was hero so he can't be creepy. That aside the other 2 reasons are

2. It gave an opportunity to show that Peter Parker was a highly intelligent scientist and wasn’t your average teen. Part of the appeal of Spider-man to me has always been his intellect which I feel they missed (along with his sarcastic wit) in the first 3 movies.

3. Finally it is a good plot device for his stories. Instead of him getting beat up and the bad guy gets away he runs out of web fluid. Or he can’t get out of a spot because he is out. Which is still used in the books today. Some could argue it get’s old, but if it isn’t done too much it still works.

Excellent points, I think it would be a good idea for the film to show Peter developing the webshooters, and to bring somewhat realism to such a fantastical device, they should show him going through trial and error to perfect the fluid to what we all know. The first 3 films displayed Peter as being a smart kid, but not the science genius that we all know from the comic books, so adding the webshooters gives us a good look at how good Peter is with working with science.

[Mach2Infinity]

I think it would be interesting to have Spider-Man start with mechanical webshooters because as it's long been said, it does show how brilliant Peter Parker's scientific understanding is and how he can apply his technical skills so effectively. However, later in the series, I would like to see a plot involving something triggering a further mutation in him. I would go for a link with Dr. Curt Connors' genetic research. From there, he would have organic webshooters and then would have to contend with incorporating both organic and mechanical webshooters. When I think on it more. It makes much more sense to have both because of the type of villains and situations he'll face. He'll need 'specialised' ammunition or web fluid in his case to resolve such situations. For instance, fire retardant web fluid to combat flames against Electro (igniting a fuel spill for example) or to help out the N.Y.F.D. I think the proponents of mechanical webshooters worry that if we go straight with organic webshooters then it undermines and ignores Peter Parker's web-fluid/shooters invention; ergo his highly developed scientific brain However, if he invents mechanical webshooters first and then develops organic webshooters. Surely, it would satisfy both camps?

On a separate topic -- will he be bitten by a genetically engineered/radioactive spider or an altogether different spider?

[chaseter]

I think people that don't want mechanical web shooters miss the point of the web shooters. I think Stan Lee created the concept of mechanical web shooters for 3 main reasons.

1. It has been said that the idea of person creating webs organically was too creepy for the average reader (kid) when the character was created in the 60's. He was hero so he can't be creepy. That aside the other 2 reasons are

2. It gave an opportunity to show that Peter Parker was a highly intelligent scientist and wasn’t your average teen. Part of the appeal of Spider-man to me has always been his intellect which I feel they missed (along with his sarcastic wit) in the first 3 movies.

3. Finally it is a good plot device for his stories. Instead of him getting beat up and the bad guy gets away he runs out of web fluid. Or he can’t get out of a spot because he is out. Which is still used in the books today. Some could argue it get’s old, but if it isn’t done too much it still works.

1. Have you seen Stan's other creations? Shooting webs isn't creepy. Kids didn't go see Raimi's movies and come out vomiting in disgust over organic webs. Brundlefly is creepy. Spider-Man is not.

2. I understand and I agree to a point. However, Peter's intellect can be expressed in other ways, mostly how he defeats villains. I don't care that Peter didn't toil on web shooters to prove he is a genius. I cared about Raimi not showing Peter using his intellect to stop villains in the first 3 movies. His creativity to improvise on the spot using science is what makes him a genius to me. His book smarts were shown in Raimi's films. Dude was excited about fusion for ****s sake. They showed a little bit of his intellect in defeating Venom with soundwaves but it was done terribly. He should have at least said something about soundwaves being the cause for the symbiote's discomfort.

3. It is a good plot device. But to be fair, Raimi did that in SM2. He couldn't produce webs and it worked great. So there really isn't a difference here. I also don't want this to be overused. I don't want to see him running out of web fluid every single movie.

[Mach2Infinity]

Hell yea.

I actually forgot this additional reason why mechs are better while I was kicking Mach2Infinity's ass a couple of pages ago.

Right anatomy, wrong action. More of an arse tickling (:spidey: tingling!) than kicking. I had a lengthy debate with Crook a long while ago who put forth a far more stronger argument than you did. You simply bored me - nothing Dangerous there hah. :cwink:

[MessiahDecoy123]

1. Have you seen Stan's other creations? Shooting webs isn't creepy. Kids didn't go see Raimi's movies and come out vomiting in disgust over organic webs. Brundlefly is creepy. Spider-Man is not.
Organic Spider-man shoots his body fluids all over the city using his spider organs. Pretty sickening when you think about it. Definitely brundlefly territory.

2. I understand and I agree to a point. However, Peter's intellect can be expressed in other ways, mostly how he defeats villains. I don't care that Peter didn't toil on web shooters to prove he is a genius. I cared about Raimi not showing Peter using his intellect to stop villains in the first 3 movies. His creativity to improvise on the spot using science is what makes him a genius to me. His book smarts were shown in Raimi's films. Dude was excited about fusion for ****s sake. They showed a little bit of his intellect in defeating Venom with soundwaves but it was done terribly. He should have at least said something about soundwaves being the cause for the symbiote's discomfort.
There's no better way to show how Peter Parker's nerdiness contributes to Spider-man than mechanical webshooters. Everytime he shoots his webs or alters them to fight a villain we're reminded of his genius. That's far superior than realizing Venom's weakness is sound.

3. It is a good plot device. But to be fair, Raimi did that in SM2. He couldn't produce webs and it worked great. So there really isn't a difference here. I also don't want this to be overused. I don't want to see him running out of web fluid every single movie.
Running out of synthetic web fluid means more suspense. He doesn't have to run out all of the time but there will always be increased suspense because it will be a possibility.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I'm going to say what i heard someone else say. Spider-man doesn't actually have "Spider-powers" except for wall-crawling. But that basically his actual "super-power". The bite didn't transform him into an actual spider. Or a spider/human hybrid. No it made him a meta-human. Which were advance enhancements to Peter's human body. Spiders don't have "spider Sense" Although they can feel vibrations and stuff. Peter has speed and agility and reflexes beyond of what a normal person can achieve. They just have the "looks" or so say Spider-like.
This

Also I'd like to add mechs make Spider-man more sophisticated than your average mutant you'd find running around in an x-men comic.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I want Spiderman to be more Spider and less what if Captain America wore Spidermans costume.
But Spider-man webshooters are better than just some basic weapon. Mechs are what a spider would resort to if it were trapped in a human body. There's a parallel between nature's ingenuity (a spider's web) and human ingenuity (technology/chemistry).

But what seperates Captain America and Spider-man from the mutants of Marvel Universe. They have trademark weapons that are specially suited for them. You take away their trademark weapons and they're just like another generic mutant.

[chaseter]

Organic Spider-man shoots his body fluids all over the city using his spider organs. Pretty sickening when you think about it. Definitely brundlefly territory.
Not really.:dry:

Johnny Storm is the leading cause of global warming
The Thing has hardened, calloused orange skin
Hulk's huge member should be well defined in those skin tight shorts
Iron Man pees in his suit and can drink it after distillation
Wolverine has metal knives protrude from his body while blood from the wound is on his claws and dripping on the ground
The Silver Surfer is completely naked except for a speedo
The Lizard likes to run around in poop water and doesn't wash his hands
Sandman can form into tiny grains of sand and part of him could end up in your nose or other places the sun doesn't shine
****...look at half of the costumes these people wear and tell me they aren't creepy.

There's no better way to show how Peter Parker's nerdiness contributes to Spider-man than mechanical webshooters. Everytime he shoots his webs or alters them to fight a villain we're reminded of his genius. That's far superior than realizing Venom's weakness is sound.
Every time he shoots his webs we are reminded of his genius:huh: HAHA that is hilarious. Because everytime in the comics I see him shoot a web I automatically think, wow...he is a brilliant kid.:dry:

Running out of synthetic web fluid means more suspense. He doesn't have to run out all of the time but there will always be increased suspense because it will be a possibility.
It's the same exact thing. Running out of webbing is running out of webbing. There is no difference in running out of organic or synthetic. It's the exact same plot device. He runs out, he has to modify his fighting and improvise. Nobody wants to see him run out of webbing every single fight in every single movie or be constantly reminded that is an issue. How lame would Batman be if he always ran out of gadgets? How lame would Wolverine be if he could only use his claws x amount of time? It's a great plot device once or twice.

I am not against organics or mechs...both can work in whatever story is being told. I mean ****, lets make this more realistic and Spider-Man just carry around a gun with a tranquilizer in it. That would save him a lot more time and trouble.

[Whiskey Tango]

hey, spiders don't carry tranq guns. That's not realistic at all!

[Alchemyst]

Not really.:dry:

Johnny Storm is the leading cause of global warming
The Thing has hardened, calloused orange skin
Hulk's huge member should be well defined in those skin tight shorts
Iron Man pees in his suit and can drink it after distillation
Wolverine has metal knives protrude from his body while blood from the wound is on his claws and dripping on the ground
The Silver Surfer is completely naked except for a speedo
The Lizard likes to run around in poop water and doesn't wash his hands
Sandman can form into tiny grains of sand and part of him could end up in your nose or other places the sun doesn't shine
****...look at half of the costumes these people wear and tell me they aren't creepy.


Every time he shoots his webs we are reminded of his genius:huh: HAHA that is hilarious. Because everytime in the comics I see him shoot a web I automatically think, wow...he is a brilliant kid.:dry:


It's the same exact thing. Running out of webbing is running out of webbing. There is no difference in running out of organic or synthetic. It's the exact same plot device. He runs out, he has to modify his fighting and improvise. Nobody wants to see him run out of webbing every single fight in every single movie or be constantly reminded that is an issue. How lame would Batman be if he always ran out of gadgets? How lame would Wolverine be if he could only use his claws x amount of time? It's a great plot device once or twice.

I am not against organics or mechs...both can work in whatever story is being told. I mean ****, lets make this more realistic and Spider-Man just carry around a gun with a tranquilizer in it. That would save him a lot more time and trouble.

Or let him use lethal force :awesome:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/65021/1288906-spidey_gun_super.jpg

[Colossal Spoons]

All excellent points and it also proves why it doesn't work today.

It's 2011.

Agreed. Why purposefuly give Peter a crutch and call it a "plot device"?

[chaseter]

The fans have spoken...they want darker and grittier.

[Colossal Spoons]

TDK is that way -->

[chaseter]

Fans want to remake Darkman because they don't like Raimi and they want it to be called Darkerman.

[A Necessary Evil]

It will have Raimi's name on it. I don't think they'll want to disgrace themselves with that.. :o

[Whiskey Tango]

Army of Darkerness?

[A Necessary Evil]

Eviler Dead

[Dr Tactics]

3. It is a good plot device. But to be fair, Raimi did that in SM2. He couldn't produce webs and it worked great. So there really isn't a difference here. I also don't want this to be overused. I don't want to see him running out of web fluid every single movie.

I went further than that. He couldn't use his Webs, Climb Walls or Jump distances.. Frankly he lost all of his powers and you're trying to compare that to just running out of webfluid in a fight?? Really??

[chaseter]

I went further than that. He couldn't use his Webs, Climb Walls or Jump distances.. Frankly he lost all of his powers and you're trying to compare that to just running out of webfluid in a fight?? Really??
Running out of organic webbing is the exact same thing as running out of synthetic webbing. No one correlated losing all of your powers to running out of web fluid. I said both were plot devices, and they are. It creates a scenario in which the hero must overcome.

[Colossal Spoons]

Has it ever been revealed what species of spider bit PP? If it wasn't a web spinning spider, this would finally put an end to this timeless argument. I'm extremely pro-organic too.

[#1Batmanfan]

this movie better have mechanical web shooters and spider tracers in this movie

[chaseter]

Has it ever been revealed what species of spider bit PP? If it wasn't a web spinning spider, this would finally put an end to this timeless argument. I'm extremely pro-organic too.

In the original comics, a spider lowered itself from webbing through the radiation. In Raimi's movies it had webbing.

[Dr Tactics]

Running out of organic webbing is the exact same thing as running out of synthetic webbing. No one correlated losing all of your powers to running out of web fluid. I said both were plot devices, and they are. It creates a scenario in which the hero must overcome.

But you have too. In the comics when he ran out of Fluid he still had all his others powers to not be so vulnerable to attack, and he can still improvise so though running out of webfluid is the same, nothing else can be compared and thus can't be judged equally as simply "This was done already". He (Raimi) took it much further. So in this movie if he runs out it'll be more like the comic situation than the Raimi situation. We can agree to disagree on this one

[chaseter]

But you have too. In the comics when he ran out of Fluid he still had all his others powers to not be so vulnerable to attack, and he can still improvise so though running out of webfluid is the same, nothing else can be compared and thus can't be judged equally as simply "This was done already". He (Raimi) took it much further. So in this movie if he runs out it'll be more like the comic situation than the Raimi situation. We can agree to disagree on this one

I think you agree with me but you want to prove a point about Raimi doing something wrong in your opinion.

[Colossal Spoons]

In the original comics, a spider lowered itself from webbing through the radiation. In Raimi's movies it had webbing.

Well alright then. Web spinning spider DNA + Peter Parker = Web spinning Peter Parker :up:

[chaseter]

I wish he would have gotten bit by a trapdoor spider and all he did was wait in a hole for hours on end until a bad guy walked by.

[Colossal Spoons]

A mechanical door of course

[MessiahDecoy123]

Agreed. Why purposefuly give Peter a crutch and call it a "plot device"?
It's not a plot device. It creates suspense.

Like John McClane running low on ammo.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Well alright then. Web spinning spider DNA + Peter Parker = Web spinning Peter Parker :up:
Except the spider lowered itself using webbing extracted from it's abdomen.

So if you're going for realism, Peter would shoot webs from his belly button or spine.

Organics don't make sense in any way even though they're supposed to be a more believable origin.

Spider genetics wouldn't give a human super agility or super strength without giving your arms and legs the same physical appearance as a spiders (it's the exoskeleton and size that provides strength and speed). The spider sense is impossible. And the webbing wouldn't come from your wrist.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Not really.:dry:

Johnny Storm is the leading cause of global warming
The Thing has hardened, calloused orange skin
Hulk's huge member should be well defined in those skin tight shorts
Iron Man pees in his suit and can drink it after distillation
Wolverine has metal knives protrude from his body while blood from the wound is on his claws and dripping on the ground
The Silver Surfer is completely naked except for a speedo
The Lizard likes to run around in poop water and doesn't wash his hands
Sandman can form into tiny grains of sand and part of him could end up in your nose or other places the sun doesn't shine
****...look at half of the costumes these people wear and tell me they aren't creepy.
I would gladly accept most of those conditions over having spider insides. That is just sick.


Every time he shoots his webs we are reminded of his genius:huh: HAHA that is hilarious. Because everytime in the comics I see him shoot a web I automatically think, wow...he is a brilliant kid.:dry:
Yeah the webbing is the best example of how Peter's nerdiness is essential to being Spider-man.


It's the same exact thing. Running out of webbing is running out of webbing. There is no difference in running out of organic or synthetic. It's the exact same plot device. He runs out, he has to modify his fighting and improvise. Nobody wants to see him run out of webbing every single fight in every single movie or be constantly reminded that is an issue. How lame would Batman be if he always ran out of gadgets? How lame would Wolverine be if he could only use his claws x amount of time? It's a great plot device once or twice.
No it's not the same. Peter running out of organic webbing it would be like a time limit on Wolverine's claws. Peter running out of synthetic webbing is like the Punisher running low on ammo when facing an gang of enemies. The former is a physical handicap the latter is an ammo issue that most gun welding heroes face at some point.

Plus it's easier to create a suspenseful moment with ammo than it is a physical handicap. John McClane looks down and comments that he has one clip left before going into a room full of bad guys. You can do something similar with webshooters but not organics.

I am not against organics or mechs...both can work in whatever story is being told. I mean ****, lets make this more realistic and Spider-Man just carry around a gun with a tranquilizer in it. That would save him a lot more time and trouble.
Webbing has alot more possibilities for transport, air battles, and armored villains.

[chaseter]

It's not a plot device. It creates suspense.

Like John McClane running low on ammo.

WTF...McClane running out of ammo is a plot device.

[Colossal Spoons]

Except the spider lowered itself using webbing extracted from it's abdomen.

So if you're going for realism, Peter would shoot webs from his belly button or spine.

Organics don't make sense in any way even though they're supposed to be a more believable origin.

Spider genetics wouldn't give a human super agility or super strength without giving your arms and legs the same physical appearance as a spiders (it's the exoskeleton and size that provides strength and speed). The spider sense is impossible. And the webbing wouldn't come from your wrist.

This is true, the only reason he shoots them out of his wrists is b/c it makes it easier to swing around from. That's a legit reason to deviate from realism. It's the whole "well if he runs out of synthetic web fluid, won't that be super kewl during a battle with Doc Ock or somebody!?" No, it wouldn't. Do Cyclops' eyes just stop working sometimes?

As for Spider-sense being impossible, it's been proven that spiders notice vibrations in the air so they're able to scurry away seconds before your shoe or a natural predator hits them.

[MessiahDecoy123]

This is true, the only reason he shoots them out of his wrists is b/c it makes it easier to swing around from. That's a legit reason to deviate from realism. It's the whole "well if he runs out of synthetic web fluid, won't that be super kewl during a battle with Doc Ock or somebody!?" No, it wouldn't. Do Cyclops' eyes just stop working sometimes?

As for Spider-sense being impossible, it's been proven that spiders notice vibrations in the air so they're able to scurry away seconds before your shoe or a natural predator hits them.
The spider-sense is pre-cognition.

If there's a hidden bomb near Spider-man his spider-sense will go off. A hidden bomb doesn't vibrate so detecting it is pre-cog and organics could not explain this.

[MessiahDecoy123]

WTF...McClane running out of ammo is a plot device.
It doesn't matter what its called.

[storyteller]

But Spider-man webshooters are better than just some basic weapon. Mechs are what a spider would resort to if it were trapped in a human body. There's a parallel between nature's ingenuity (a spider's web) and human ingenuity (technology/chemistry).

But what seperates Captain America and Spider-man from the mutants of Marvel Universe. They have trademark weapons that are specially suited for them. You take away their trademark weapons and they're just like another generic mutant.

And thats sorta my point. Take away their weapons and they can just swamp out. Hawkeye can use Captain Americas shield very well. He could be Captain America. Spiderman in daredevils costume is just as effective as daredevil. My point is I like characters like Spiderman having a trait that is apart of them. A trait that isn't interchangeable. I guess I like the Superman thing. When Clark Kent wakes up he is already Superman. When Peter Parker wakes up he is a low level psychic with superhuman strength. His web crawling abilities are described as being like super static. I don't want a simulation of a spider. I really liked the powered up spiderman in the comics. Minus those stingers, everything was cool.

[©KAW]

And the Spider-Light was awful too. What was the point of it? Oh, and mechanical web-shooters should be used.

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

It's always funny when people call something a plot device, and intend it as an insult.

[©KAW]

As long as it's not over done, it's a damn good plot device.

[Spider-Aziz]

To have a handy dandy spider-tracer would be so awesome, only he didn't have one in USM

[ModestMr.Green]

I don't want to buy into this debate, but I'd just like to point out that a physical impairment can just as easily create suspenseful moments. Examples:

1. The loss of Luke's hand in the Empire Strikes Back.

2. Broken leg in the Karate Kid, and its remake.

3. A gunshot wound in just about any action movie.

[ALP]

So are the mechanic webshooters confirmed? I think it looks something like them in the set pics.

[bullets]

So are the mechanic webshooters confirmed? I think it looks something like them in the set pics.



Emma confirmed them in an interview.

[The Slang]

I'm thrilled about the mechanical webshooters. They add so much depth, I can't understand people who say it's an insignificant part of the character. Organics are just too convenient and severe of a transformation to throw in with the rest. Mechs have more to contribute, they have a bigger story behind them. They add a sense of value, limitation and occasional inconvenience which is closer to real life. It adds another layer to the science fiction theme that is a huge part of the character. Parker is a genius, but I have always credited the mechs creation in part to the superior scientific progress in spidey's world compared to our own. It's not like Parker lives in our world and comes up with webshooters out of no where, he lives in a world where Reed richards is a house hold name.

BUT- if it were up to me, Parker would sweat out a vital ingredient for the web fluid. After discovering this he'd synthesize a bacteria to produce it for him. Cultivate it in his closet for a few days, add some adhesives, coagulants, some gax to disguise the formula and possibly cause some dissolving. And there you go, a simple explanation for Parkers exclusive access to web fluid.

[Xtroid]

I always thought the 1990s cartoon offered a decent theory for the web fluid in the episode "Make A Wish"; Spiderman assumes the spider bite gave him knowledge on how to experiment with specific enzymes in order to make web fluid.

[The Slang]

Yeh it's simple enough but I think they could get more technical. Spiders don't really have that kind of knowledge, but with todays technology we can (if we wanted to) make a human generate spider silk from a pre-existing gland.

[Spectacular23]

Sooooo we know that he going to have a "device" to shoot webbing that Emma confirmed.So it's Web-Shooters. I really don't think that hose big 3in cricles on his wrists are part of the web shooters i think they are just for the stuntmen.But even if they are (which i highly doubt) what do you guys think they will look like? Any ideas?http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2095/webshooterssketch03byfa.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/i/webshooterssketch03byfa.jpg/)

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[©KAW]

Uh, don't we have enough ads on this site? :mad:

[LegendaryCaleb]

i cant wait till your banned bbs.

[PaulM]

This is a subject I've never really been bothered with, but I do think him having web shooters is more awesome and another way to try and make the reboot different from the original films.

[Tony Stark]

The costume sucks, but the mechanical shooters is kinda cool. I guess we'll see how this plays out in public. I'm wondering how much the people who don't know the comics, know that Spider-man always had mechanical web shooters.

[©KAW]

Probably not, but they won't care one way or the other.

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm guessing they'll be like tas Web shooters

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm guessing they'll be like tas Web shooters Agreed. Just overall pretty simple.

[©KAW]

Emma confirmed them in an interview.I'd like to see that interview for myself, please LINK me, thanks.

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