Keep the ORGANICS or WEB SHOOTERS???!!!!

[Golgo-13]

This thread was bound to be birthed, so....

[Chewy]

Oh god :awesome:

[Blackman]

Ive heard rumors about these threads...

Organic all the way, web shooters are stupid.

Spiderman: "Ha ha I'm fighting. Oh wait I ran out of web fluid. Lemme go home and being a lower middle class kid make a scientific design that no other scientists with HUGE budgets make."

No thank you

[webhead731]

Oraganic worked with Raimi's. They can do webshooters as long as it doesn't come off as stupid.

I don't care really.

[batman44]

I prefer the mechanical webshooters so that's what I voted, but it's not a deal breaker.

[Golgo-13]

Ive heard rumors about these threads...

Organic all the way, web shooters are stupid.

Spiderman: "Ha ha I'm fighting. Oh wait I ran out of web fluid. Lemme go home and being a lower middle class kid make a scientific design that no other scientists with HUGE budgets make."

No thank you

And so it begins.....:csad:

[kaijunexus]

I like the organics. They made sense and kept things simple.

That being said, however, I want mechanical shooters this time. Not only are they in keeping with comic lore (I'd like to see the reboot remain more faithful to the source material), but they also allow the reboot to differentiate itself from the past films.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Hmmmm.....not sure. Doesn't really matter to me, as long as it works.

[Golgo-13]

I like the explaination the 90's Animated series gave as to how Peter could created a web-fluid formula. 'When the spider bit him, it transfered the knowledge of how to combine different enzymes to make the web-fluid'...from the episode 'Make a Wish" -Season 3.

[chaseter]

Organic worked so I have no problem with them.

[Watson]

Oh boy.


http://i46.tinypic.com/241a82d.jpg

[chaseter]

I like the explaination the 90's Animated series gave as to how Peter could created a web-fluid formula. 'When the spider bit him, it transfered the knowledge of how to combine different enzymes to make the web-fluid'...from the episode 'Make a Wish" -Season 3.
That is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard. I haven't seen that episode but thank god. A spider bite transfers knowledge of how to create a chemical web formula:dry:

haha:awesome:

[Deaths Head II]

Organic webshooters are fine.

I actually never cared for mechanical ones. Ultimate Spider-Man made the shooters feel a bit more plausible, but overall I think organic ones work well enough.

[Dark_Lord]

That is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard. I haven't seen that episode but thank god. A spider bite transfers knowledge of how to create a chemical web formula:dry:

haha:awesome:

but a spider bite transfering powers is ok. :dry: :oldrazz: :awesome:

Anyway...I liked the idea someone mentioned at these forums. Organic webbing, but Peter creates web shooters (well, not exactly web shooters) to control the web.

[bryanss3]

That is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard. I haven't seen that episode but thank god. A spider bite transfers knowledge of how to create a chemical web formula:dry:

haha:awesome:

Thats actually not dumb. it just sounds dumb simplified.

[Blackman]

wow 2 to 10

[Mister J]

I'm all for webshooters. Have been from the start. :up:

It always puzzles me how some want to **** all over the idea as impractical when you've got a teenager with superpowers proportionate to a spider as a lead character. Logic is kinda already out the window. The mechanical devices are no more insulting to put on screen than Tony Stark streaking through the skies in a mobile weapons platform with an AI befitting the 23rd century or Bruce Wayne hauling ass around Gotham City in a flying tank that no one seems to be able to track down.

Webshooters can and should be utilized to reflect Peter's genius level intellect, as well as his innovation in taking to his new responsibility. His constantly running out of fluid at inopportune times isn't something that should be a concern; not as some crutch of unavoidable fact. It can be written around as easily as not bothering to explain why Parker doesn't need to consume huge quantities of food to replace the expenditures of webbing or highlighting why the organics come out of his wrists as opposed to his abdomen.

It's not a dealbreaker, but it is something I'd like to see. It can work, if handled with respect and purpose ...like pretty much any other inclusion in this fantastical world of escapist cinema.

[Watson]

Organic webshooters are fine.

I actually never cared for mechanical ones. Ultimate Spider-Man made the shooters feel a bit more plausible, but overall I think organic ones work well enough.

I don't know why the mechanical ones were ever considered implausible.

1) We're talking about a certifiable scientific genius with no social life. Definitely not out of the realm of possibility that he would make them.
2) This is a comic. If I can make a leap of faith that a spider gave a kid superpowers, then I can believe he could invent his own web shooters.

[HerosOnFilm]

Mechanical would be good this time around for old time's sake...it would just be cool to see 'em onscreen, and honestly, what Spidey fan as a kid hasn't dreamed of making his own webshooters?

[Spider-Man '92]

Ive heard rumors about these threads...

Organic all the way, web shooters are stupid.

Spiderman: "Ha ha I'm fighting. Oh wait I ran out of web fluid. Lemme go home and being a lower middle class kid make a scientific design that no other scientists with HUGE budgets make."

No thank you
Ahem, that's why Spidey has his utility belt. He usually switched up so quick it's hardly noticeable.

I'm sure web-shooters will work fine, especially for atleast one moment of lag where the webhead just totall f***s up.

[Deaths Head II]

2) This is a comic. If I can make a leap of faith that a spider gave a kid superpowers, then I can believe he could invent his own web shooters.

I don't get this argument at all. The whole interest behind a character like Spider-Man is that he's a normal person granted an unbelievable ability. There's a difference between the central thing that happens to him being unbelievable (getting super powers) and what he already is naturally being unbelievable (being a high school super genius smart enough to create a glue that even the smartest scientists in the world couldn't create).

Peter is a smart kid, but him inventing webshooters and doing it as fast as he does stretches believability. At least USM explained that his father started the formula and he finished it for him.

[DACrowe]

And here we go again...

[Leenie]

Ive heard rumors about these threads...

Organic all the way, web shooters are stupid.

Spiderman: "Ha ha I'm fighting. Oh wait I ran out of web fluid. Lemme go home and being a lower middle class kid make a scientific design that no other scientists with HUGE budgets make."

No thank you

This is the main reason why I liked the organic web for the movies.

I'm not opposed to the web shooters though ... I just hope that we don't repeatedly see the scene that you just described in the new movies. It would be redundantly redundant. Yup.

[craigdbfan]

Organic. I won't go any further than that due to the history of the age old debate.

[Congo Jack]

Hope they go with the artificial web-shooters.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Spiderman: "Ha ha I'm fighting. Oh wait I ran out of web fluid. Lemme go home and being a lower middle class kid make a scientific design that no other scientists with HUGE budgets make."

Web shooters are kinda cool, but the post above is how I feel. It's kinda like Wolverine's claws being on his gloves, rather than apart of him.

[Crook]

Ive heard rumors about these threads...

Organic all the way, web shooters are stupid.

Spiderman: "Ha ha I'm fighting. Oh wait I ran out of web fluid. Lemme go home and being a lower middle class kid make a scientific design that no other scientists with HUGE budgets make."

No thank you
They're both ludicrous concepts, if one actually thinks to criticize their existence. I just so happen to think that webs coming out of the wrists, which has absolutely no biological basis whatsoever...I find that to be infinitely stupider in every fashion.

Mechanical.

[storyteller]

My issue with spiderman has always been.

What makes him different from Captain America? Daredevil? Black Panther?

He could wear all of their suits and no one would be the wiser. Sure he would stick to walls but hell others can levitate.

Then he has a little precog ability

Again theres nothing spider like about him that another superhero doesn't own in a similar fashion.

The webshooting is what separates him. I liked organics because it was a power that links him to a spiderman and not a caterpillar.

Also the scene where goblin steps on his wrist. I felt that it was far more painful due to someone stepping on sensitive areas of the body.

[zeptron]

Organic always made the most sense to me. Spiders are best known for their webs, and peter gets all these powers, including a "spider sense", and he doesn't get webbing?

I think organics are better for the movies. Webshooters work great in comics because of the paper drama it adds..."oh noes, I is out of webz?!"

In a movie that would just seem like retarded cliche luck and it's better for Spidey to have drama from getting his ass whooped instead of running out of web jizz. It works okay in comics, but would look hokey on film.

[MessiahDecoy123]

That is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard. I haven't seen that episode but thank god. A spider bite transfers knowledge of how to create a chemical web formula:dry:

haha:awesome:
animals have instincts. birds instinctively know the contents needed to build a durable nest.

Parker is already good at science so it's not a stretch that the bite gave him the intuition needed to invent synthetic webbing.

[Crook]

Organic always made the most sense to me. Spiders are best known for their webs, and peter gets all these powers, including a "spider sense", and he doesn't get webbing?
You never questioned webs coming out of his wrists, of all places? Take what you know about Spidey out the equation, and I challenge anybody to explain how that makes sense.

I think organics are better for the movies. Webshooters work great in comics because of the paper drama it adds..."oh noes, I is out of webz?!"

In a movie that would just seem like retarded cliche luck and it's better for Spidey to have drama from getting his ass whooped instead of running out of web jizz. It works okay in comics, but would look hokey on film.
It applies either which way. Organics makes the web a bodily fluid. I'm assuming you already know these do not last for an extended period at a time. May I ask you how long you can piss, or spit out your mouth, before "drying out"?

[MessiahDecoy123]

I love the concept of mechanical webshooters and synthetic webbing.

It's Peter Parker's great contribution to his identity as Spider-man. It's the reason Flash Thompson wouldn't make a decent Spider-man if he was bit instead of Parker. It takes brains to be Spider-man and mechs make that abundantly clear.

[craigdbfan]

It'd be neat if Peter makes the web shooters in the first film and then goes on to experience his first "mutation" which would be organic web shooters for the second film.

I think the entire Spider bite having longer consequences would be a good idea to explore.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Spider-man's arch nemisis Dr. Ock has mechs, so should Spider-man.

Both Dr. Ock and Spider-man use technology to mimic an animals defenses.

Not a coincidence.

[Timstuff]

He should have 2 web pistols w/ teh dual wield.

[Deaths Head II]

It'd be neat if Peter makes the web shooters in the first film and then goes on to experience his first "mutation" which would be organic web shooters for the second film.

I think the entire Spider bite having longer consequences would be a good idea to explore.

And then in the third of fourth film we get...Man-Spider.

[craigdbfan]

And then in the third of fourth film we get...Man-Spider.

That part of the mutation we can skip. :o

[MessiahDecoy123]

Mechanical webshooters broaden Parker's abilities. He's not just some lucky guy who was mutated. He's also a scientist who actively contributes to Spider-man's arsenal as a crime fighter, not just a bite victim.
They propel Parker to another class of superhero. He's a prodigy like Reed Richards and Tony Starks. Webshooters prove that Peter Parker not only has a superhero body but he has a superhero mind as well.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I always liked the "twip" sound coming from a contraption invented by Parker. Everytime you heard it, it was a reminder of Spider-man's genuis. Also the "I love you" hand gesture being the result of Peter tapping his webbing trigger was a nice touch also.

[MessiahDecoy123]

He should have 2 web pistols w/ teh dual wield.
sorry but those don't compare to the genius design of webshooters. :yay:

[TheSlag]

MECHS RULE!!! *wow.. Deja Vu Man* :cwink:

[Matt]

MECHS RULE!!! *wow.. Deja Vu Man* :cwink:

I came in here to say the same thing. It won't be the same without Mr. Parker and Bakerboy this time :( ;)

[MessiahDecoy123]

Parker completes his transformation into a superhero by inventing web formula.

This emphasizes that it takes more than dumb luck to become Spider-man.

The irony is before he became Spider-man, book smarts was Peter's biggest obstacle but after it became his greatest asset. He wouldn't be Spider-man without them. Synthetic webbing make Peter's scientific skill and prodigal mind essential to being Spider-man. Anybody is worthy of being Spider-man with organics.

[TheSlag]

I came in here to say the same thing. It won't be the same without Mr. Parker and Bakerboy this time :( ;)

LOL.. *Sniff*Sniff*... God I hate to admit it.. But I REALLY miss those guys. :cwink:

[TeejTurtle]

I say organics but I'm for either.
Mechanical could work if its not an origin story. Start with him as Spider-man and people will except the web shooters. Do an origin and people we question (well those who want logic in a sci-fi fantasy film) how he's so smart he could make them.

[Artistsean]

As much as I love the webshooters, the reason why they weren't used in the first film still would remain,
it would take screen time just to show Peter make them and how he could make them and what they do. They cut that because it would take more time that saying they are organic and came with his powers.
Plus if everything about him is changed in the reboot, it would look like the previous movies were bad and had to be redone and would probably confuse the non-comic reading audiance who thought they were organic.

So I am fine with organic, but fine with whatever they decide too.

[Spider-Fan]

I...don't care.

I guess go with mechanical ones this time, but the webshooters are the least of my worries with this film.

I can't wait to see the flaming ensue in here though :woot:

[spider-neil]

I can see why they went with organics

a) if you got your powers from a spider it would make sense you'd get ALL its powers

b) having a kid invent substance that would revolutionize adhesives (making him billions in patents)

is a streatch

[ravn0s]

You never questioned webs coming out of his wrists, of all places?

why would you question it? you're watching a movie about a kid with super powers. the whole bloody thing doesn't make sense.

[Kurosawa]

I prefer the mechanical webshooters so that's what I voted, but it's not a deal breaker.

Same here. Although I miss Spidey running out at just the worst time like he always did.

[Timstuff]

sorry but those don't compare to the genius design of webshooters. :yay:

They wouldn't fit under the costume, though. The only reason they get away with mechanical shooters in the cartoons and comics is because they're drawn, so the artists can cheat. They would have to be external gauntlet-like devices in live action, because otherwise they would make his writs look bulky and lumpy. This is a case of a logic leap that only comics and cartoons can make, so either you have to have bulky external shooters, or you have to change what the web shooters are.

[craigdbfan]

Maybe they can use the thin wrist brace design instead of the bulky inconvenient one. Although I prefer the organic shooters I don't mind either one.

http://www.de-fact-o.com/php_uploads/Image/Spider-man_webshooters.jpg

[Scooter]

Web shooters are stupid. Aside from the technical complexity (really impossibility), producing silk is really the only one of Spider-man's abilities that is shared by all spiders. Spiders, generally speaking, aren't particularly strong for their size, or agile, or fast. Some of them can jump, so that's cool. But some of them can't even climb all that well. And none of them can see **** before it happens.

But they all produce silk. They all make webs. Stoo-pid.

[WormyT]

I would love to see mechanical Web Shooters. I always loved in the books when he would forget to reload them. It added another obstacle. Also I always wanted Toby to invent something in the movies, not just have tech-talk lunch with Dock Ock and Osborn.
But I doubt they will make that change.

[[A]]

I don't understand the logic behind mechanical web-shooters.. the guy's practically a spider but can't shoot web..? It's like Dog-Man: he can run in all four, bring you the newspaper and a stick, but he must carry around a small tape recorder, with sounds of dogs barking.. because he can't bark. Stupid.

:doh:

[Backdrifter]

What about both? Why not organic web shooting that is really messy and random that needs to be focused by some kind of mechanical device?

[JustABill]

What about both? Why not organic web shooting that is really messy and random that needs to be focused by some kind of mechanical device?
That could potentially work. And get rid of the main thing that makes me hate the mechanical web shooters so much. The '''OH NOZ! I'VE RAN OUT OF FLUID AND I STILL HAVE NOT DEFEATED DOC OCK!" factor.

[Micah12345]

What about both? Why not organic web shooting that is really messy and random that needs to be focused by some kind of mechanical device?

That's a pretty interesting idea, and it elimates the 'farfetched-ness' of having peter design web fluid.

[Casius--J]

We've had organic web shooters already, I'd like to see them take a shot at going down the mechanical route.

I see the arguement that its far fetched but I think it would be interesting to see how plausible the creative team can make it.

[Golgo-13]

That is probably one of the dumbest things I have heard. I haven't seen that episode but thank god. A spider bite transfers knowledge of how to create a chemical web formula:dry:

haha:awesome:

Ah, right, gotcha but a spider passing along a 'spider-sense' is completely sound.:whatever:

We've had organic web shooters already, I'd like to see them take a shot at going down the mechanical route.

I see the arguement that its far fetched but I think it would be interesting to see how plausible the creative team can make it.

I love how now that organics have been done, ppl who would have never thought they'd like them are suddenly onboard, and that the mechanical web-shooter, which have worked since Spideys creation, are suddenly the element that's far-fetched.:doh:

[T-CLIPSE]

Ah, right, gotcha but a spider passing along a 'spider-sense' is completely sound.

I say yeah it is sound, a spider passing along an instinctive attribute (spider sense) seems more sound than a spider passing along mental awareness of how to create webbing, especially being that even the spider itself doesn't know the chemical properties of webbing in the first place, its body just biologically generates the stuff it doesn't know what the chemical properties of it are.

Passing along a physical attribute (ie: climbing walls, reflexes, strength, sense of balance and yes even the spider sense) are all instinctive physical attributes of the spider that through genetic transference is sensible, a spider transferring mental knowledge about how to recreate a biological substance through chemical science is another thing entirely.

[Crook]

why would you question it? you're watching a movie about a kid with super powers. the whole bloody thing doesn't make sense.
Fantasy doesn't set the grounds for throwing every matter of logic out the window. The upper limbs have no physiological basis for secreting any type of bodily fluid. The placement alone is strange if you weren't using it to justify Spider-Man's traditional display of powers.

;17936076']I don't understand the logic behind mechanical web-shooters.. the guy's practically a spider but can't shoot web..? It's like Dog-Man: he can run in all four, bring you the newspaper and a stick, but he must carry around a small tape recorder, with sounds of dogs barking.. because he can't bark. Stupid.

:doh:
Is it also stupid that Peter didn't grown any extra limbs? Criticizing lack of spider-features is not going to fly here. You either accept that not everything will be transferred, or you go all the way. Picking and choosing what fits your own preferences is the stupid part.

Since we're on the subject: we've somehow accepted that an extra sixth-sense (which doesn't exist btw) transfers to Peter. How is that any more ridiculous than Peter suddenly having the innate ability to "know" the proper formula for spider-silk? You mix that with Peter's mental capacity and intrigue, it's really not that far-fetched for him to find it out.

Anyone that's taken a week of Biology or Brain & Behavior should know animals and insects carry unique genetic traits that have been pre-programmed within them to behavior that sustains their survival. Honeybees knowing precisely where and how to travel back and forth from the nectar groundsite and their beehive, hundreds of soldier ants locking their arms together to form a bed for their queen in case of transportation, conspecific recognition, migration, etc etc.

[craigaat]

I don't care either way anymore, they'll probably cast highschoolmusical **** as PP anyway.

[T-CLIPSE]

I don't know why the mechanical ones were ever considered implausible.
1) We're talking about a certifiable scientific genius with no social life. Definitely not out of the realm of possibility that he would make them.
Okay ask yourself this question...if you portray Peter Parker as this "certifiable scientific genius" why in the world would he be running around taking freelance photo's with the damn Daily Bugle for a living?...how would you explain that a "certifiable scientific genius" can't even pay his own rent? If he's such a "certifiable scientific genius" he should go get a job with Stark Enterprises and tell J.J.J he can take his job and shove it.

In the comics Peter being exceptionally smart works, but on film not so much, it would just ring false.

A genius who's a photographer for a living....please man think.

[Dragon]

Ive heard rumors about these threads...

Organic all the way, web shooters are stupid.

Spiderman: "Ha ha I'm fighting. Oh wait I ran out of web fluid. Lemme go home and being a lower middle class kid make a scientific design that no other scientists with HUGE budgets make."

No thank you

But of course his developing an entirely new set of organs and circulatory system overnight to support them is plausiblr.

And- no one ever said that only Peter could create the webshooters. At the point of his first appearance characters in Marvel comics were regularly coming up with devices in their home laboratories. He simply has more use for therm than the scientists you mentioned.

If people can accept Tony Stark created futuristic technology in a cave while dying from heart damage, Peter making webshooters isn't much of a stretch.

[Crook]

Okay ask yourself this question...if you portray Peter Parker as this "certifiable scientific genius" why in the world would he be running around taking freelance photo's with the damn Daily Bugle for a living?...how would you explain that a "certifiable scientific genius" can't even pay his own rent? If he's such a "certifiable scientific genius" he should go get a job with Stark Enterprises and tell J.J.J he can take his job and shove it.

In the comics Peter being exceptionally smart works, but on film not so much, it would just ring false.

A genius who's a photographer for a living....please man think.
...he's in high school. By the time he even gets to college (which is already prestigious) he's juggling two lives. What college student do you know is holding a nice job position at a Fortune 500 company? Even the smart ones have to work their ass off to pay loans and maintain a student life.

Having the mental capacity to achieve great things can only complement your will to apply that knowledge. By all indications, Peter should be going on to do great things. But that requires full attention to his studies. Something he can't do.

[Dragon]

Okay ask yourself this question...if you portray Peter Parker as this "certifiable scientific genius" why in the world would he be running around taking freelance photo's with the damn Daily Bugle for a living?...how would you explain that a "certifiable scientific genius" can't even pay his own rent? If he's such a "certifiable scientific genius" he should go get a job with Stark Enterprises and tell J.J.J he can take his job and shove it.

In the comics Peter being exceptionally smart works, but on film not so much, it would just ring false.

A genius who's a photographer for a living....please man think.

So, you think that all geniuses do is crap out money-making ideas? Many great inventors have had to struggle. And seeing as Peter is a little distracted with the whole SAVING THE WORLD thing, it might make a dent in his creative time.

Anyway, Peter being someone who struggles despite his powers and abilities is kind of the point of the character.

[T-CLIPSE]

...he's in high school.
All of what you said is a good answer man but I still ain't buyin it. I maintain that if he was that smart he wouldn't even be in high school, he would already be in M.I.T with other students of his own intellect.

In my own opinion Spider-Man comes across more sensible when he's just this ordinary nerdy kid who just happens to be bitten by that spider. I think if you introduce the idea that he's this super smart kid with genius intellect who can create his own scientific chemical composition for webbing plus his own technological mechanical devices by which to project it just doesn't fit in the movie world of Spider-Man.

Bright and smart student Peter just feels more natural (and sensible) than a scientific and technological genius Peter.

[Dragon]

All of what you said is a good answer man but I still ain't buyin it. I maintain that if he was that smart he wouldn't even be in high school, he would already be in M.I.T with other students of his own intellect.

Because he made a device that's a glorified squirt gun? It isn't as if prior to the webshooters Peter had churned out numerous innovative inventions. And afterward, he had his ctime-finghting career to focus on.

In my own opinion Spider-Man comes across more sensible when he's just this ordinary nerdy kid who just happens to be bitten by that spider. I think if you introduce the idea that he's this super smart kid with genius intellect who can create his own scientific chemical composition for webbing plus his own technological mechanical devices by which to project it just doesn't fit in the movie world of Spider-Man.

Bright and smart student Peter just feels more natural (and sensible) than a scientific and technological genius Peter.

Right. It isn't as if that concept could turn into a top-selling comic book that would run for 50 years and become known around the world, inspiring a multi-billion dollar movie franchise. Oh yeah- it did.

[Immortalfire]

Organics rule all!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:awesome:

[Vile]

I wouldnt mind seeing mechanical, since we've already seen organics.

[T-CLIPSE]

Because he made a device that's a glorified squirt gun?

A glorified squirt gun that projects a super strong adhesive compound of his own creation.

Right. It isn't as if that concept could turn into a top-selling comic book that would run for 50 years and become known around the world, inspiring a multi-billion dollar movie franchise. Oh yeah- it did.
And as I said before it works in the comic books where the entire Marvel Universe is littered with brilliant scientists, in a world where Reed Richards, Bruce Banner and Tony Stark exists a web shooter designer still looks ordinary, in the world of movies a web shooter designer would be extraordinary.

[BillyZaned]

yeah... a high schooler who invents mechanical webshooters???? Sorry, but that only works in the comics... not in a "real life" movie... in real life, the kid would be like "screw being a superhero, time to be a billionaire"...

[Nathan]

We had Tony Stark build a freaking miniature arc reactor in a cave... wait for it... wait a little longer... "With a box of scraps!" So we can have Peter Parker building darn webshooters that simply shoot out some liquid.

[BillyZaned]

Organics rule all!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:awesome:


and they make sense... the kid got his DNA crossed with a spider's.... having a secreation that ouputs webbing like a spider is alot easier to go with then... "hey, I got the powers of a spider, thank god I'm the worlds smartest man and am able to create wrist luanchers that spray out the worlds strongest substance, that I created"

[BillyZaned]

We had Tony Stark build a freaking miniature arc reactor in a cave... wait for it... wait a little longer... "With a box of scraps!" So we can have Peter Parker building darn webshooters that simply shoot out some liquid.


a liquid NO ONE IS THE WORLD CAN CREATE...
not to mention he's a high schooler... not a billionaire weapns manufacturer who has built weapons his whole life... and not to mention, he built the arc reactor before.... just at a larger size.... it's not like he just came up with teh idea in the cave

[Dragon]

A glorified squirt gun that projects a super strong adhesive compound of his own creation.

And? If Peter was the first person to create the concept of adhesives, that would be one thing. He modified the way adhesives work and made use of it in his arsenal. It isn't as though no one else could've come up with it. In fact many other characters in Marvel have come up with such inventions.


And as I said before it works in the comic books where the entire Marvel Universe is littered with brilliant scientists, in a world where Reed Richards, Bruce Banner and Tony Stark exists a web shooter designer still looks ordinary, in the world of movies a web shooter designer would be extra ordinary.

In Spidey's movie universe you have The Goblin developing his glider and advanced weapon systems. You have Ock's A.I. tentacles. Sam intended to have Vulture with his flightsuit and wings. Developing a webshooter still isn't that extraordinary.

[Immortalfire]

We had Tony Stark build a freaking miniature arc reactor in a cave... wait for it... wait a little longer... "With a box of scraps!"

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[Nathan]

a liquid NO ONE IS THE WORLD CAN CREATE...

Then base it on the Ultimate version where the formula already exists and he manages to complete it. There's so much material out there now, there's no reason they couldn't make it work. I thought Peter Parker was supposed to be smart?

[Dragon]

a liquid NO ONE IS THE WORLD CAN CREATE...

Who said no one else in the world could create it? Where was that said?


not to mention he's a high schooler... not a billionaire weapns manufacturer who has built weapons his whole life... and not to mention, he built the arc reactor before.... just at a larger size.... it's not like he just came up with teh idea in the cave

It doesn't matter. If you place Bill Gates or Whomever in a cave, they still can't develop next level technology with no resources. Not to mention that Stark hadn't been able to make the Arc Reactor work even at his plant with state-of-the-art-art equipment and dozens of assistants. So his being able to do it in a cave- IN MINIATURE, isn't any more realistic than Peter building his webshooters.

[Golgo-13]

I say yeah it is sound, a spider passing along an instinctive attribute (spider sense) seems more sound than a spider passing along mental awareness of how to create webbing, especially being that even the spider itself doesn't know the chemical properties of webbing in the first place, its body just biologically generates the stuff it doesn't know what the chemical properties of it are.

Passing along a physical attribute (ie: climbing walls, reflexes, strength, sense of balance and yes even the spider sense) are all instinctive physical attributes of the spider that through genetic transference is sensible, a spider transferring mental knowledge about how to recreate a biological substance through chemical science is another thing entirely.

You're kidding right? There is no scientific data that says spiders have a six sense ala a spider-sense, it's completely fiction. It's as absurd as saying that woman have this six sense that lets them know that a guy is cheating; it's complete myth. This is my point; ppl believe what they want to believe and buy into things when they want to. If we were going off of biology, then the organic spinnets wouldn't be in Peters wrists, but rather in his butt, as they are with real spiders............

[Adrian89]

No web shooters. Organic ftw.

[Judson Caspian]

If they're going back to the roots, they should really go back.

http://i49.tinypic.com/11b6clu.jpg

[Steyin]

I'm all for webshooters. Have been from the start. :up:

It always puzzles me how some want to **** all over the idea as impractical when you've got a teenager with superpowers proportionate to a spider as a lead character. Logic is kinda already out the window. The mechanical devices are no more insulting to put on screen than Tony Stark streaking through the skies in a mobile weapons platform with an AI befitting the 23rd century or Bruce Wayne hauling ass around Gotham City in a flying tank that no one seems to be able to track down.

Webshooters can and should be utilized to reflect Peter's genius level intellect, as well as his innovation in taking to his new responsibility. His constantly running out of fluid at inopportune times isn't something that should be a concern; not as some crutch of unavoidable fact. It can be written around as easily as not bothering to explain why Parker doesn't need to consume huge quantities of food to replace the expenditures of webbing or highlighting why the organics come out of his wrists as opposed to his abdomen.

It's not a dealbreaker, but it is something I'd like to see. It can work, if handled with respect and purpose ...like pretty much any other inclusion in this fantastical world of escapist cinema.

:up:

[Abaddon]

Oh God, not this again.

[bulletbillx]

I don't get this argument at all. The whole interest behind a character like Spider-Man is that he's a normal person granted an unbelievable ability. There's a difference between the central thing that happens to him being unbelievable (getting super powers) and what he already is naturally being unbelievable (being a high school super genius smart enough to create a glue that even the smartest scientists in the world couldn't create).

Peter is a smart kid, but him inventing webshooters and doing it as fast as he does stretches believability. At least USM explained that his father started the formula and he finished it for him.

yeah this could be a problem, but i think if they go organic they should at least have the spider tracers so he can track people.

[waylayer]

Welcome to Summer, 2001.

[The Game]

LOL, this takes me back to 2000, as I did then I will say again screw organics, I want web shooters

[The Lizard]

YES! New "ORGANICS SUCK!" thread! :woot: :up: :awesome:


--*ahem*....I mean... I do believe I would prefer to see the mechanical webshooters given a chance this time, thank you very much.

[Oscorp]

I say keep it organic, but let him make webshooters to control the web fluid better when shooting.

[AnorexicBatman]

Combination of both. Regular organic web but Peter being a brilliant chemist makes special acid shooting web shooters.

[Mistah K88]

I say mechanical. Just as Pete being smart enough to create web shooters with the adhesive that doesn't even last all that long before it breaks down and disolves (maybe it's not that NO ONE else could create it, but NO ONE sees a use for a temporary adhesive, even Spidey uses it just to fight crime.) seems dumb and out of place to some people, Peter growing extra organs and in the wrong place mind you (they should be shooting out of his butt or bellybutton) is just as dumb if not dumber. Spiders stick to walls and stuff because of hairs, we as humans have hair all over our bodies anyway, so extra hair growing because of a mutation isn't all THAT far fetched. It's just an amplification of our human abilities to match those of a spider.

Plus we've seen organics already on the big screen. Let's try to see if they can handle the harder task of mechanical web shooters.

[MessiahDecoy123]

yeah... a high schooler who invents mechanical webshooters???? Sorry, but that only works in the comics... not in a "real life" movie... in real life, the kid would be like "screw being a superhero, time to be a billionaire"...
Peter already tried using his abilities for profit. It didn't work out. Remember?

[The Lizard]

Hey -- I wonder if the infamous Bakerboy and Mr Parker are going to return to these boards once again to argue their cases! :awesome:

[MessiahDecoy123]

Web shooters are stupid. Aside from the technical complexity (really impossibility), producing silk is really the only one of Spider-man's abilities that is shared by all spiders. Spiders, generally speaking, aren't particularly strong for their size, or agile, or fast. Some of them can jump, so that's cool. But some of them can't even climb all that well. And none of them can see **** before it happens.

But they all produce silk. They all make webs. Stoo-pid.
all spiders have eight limbs too.

so shouldn't Spider-man have eight limbs too, by your logic?

[MessiahDecoy123]

;17936076']I don't understand the logic behind mechanical web-shooters.. the guy's practically a spider but can't shoot web..? It's like Dog-Man: he can run in all four, bring you the newspaper and a stick, but he must carry around a small tape recorder, with sounds of dogs barking.. because he can't bark. Stupid.

:doh:
Maybe the spider bite couldn't give Peter webbing because he lacked the internal spider physiology needed to produce spider-silk.

The bite could've enhanced speed, strength, hairs, intuition. Things humans already possess.

[MessiahDecoy123]

a liquid NO ONE IS THE WORLD CAN CREATE...
not to mention he's a high schooler... not a billionaire weapns manufacturer who has built weapons his whole life... and not to mention, he built the arc reactor before.... just at a larger size.... it's not like he just came up with teh idea in the cave
seriously the synthetic web formula is child's play compared to the Iron Man suit.

Tony Stark would laugh at such a thing.

A high schooler coming up with web formula isn't that big of a deal. It's the same universe where a man can turn back and forth into sand.

[BillyZaned]

Peter already tried using his abilities for profit. It didn't work out. Remember?

a failed attempt at wrestling doesn't equal creating a wrist shooter that launches a substance that is stonger then steel, and as flexible as yarn, and as sticky as superglue.

If the wrist luanchers are used the movie should be..

Peter get's bit by spider, get's super strength

Peter invents wristlaunchers... and, instead of figthing crime... he uses his buddy's dad, Normas Osbourne for a business loan. Peter perfects them, sells them off to Oscorp for a cool 30 million dollars. Normans manufactures them for the US military, then gives Peter a management job in his research and development branch.

Peter picks MJ up in his sports car, they get married, have kids.... he only uses his super strength in bed...

Aunt May and Uncle Ben, Peter pays off their debt and takes them back to "old country"

end movie..

[MessiahDecoy123]

a failed attempt at wrestling doesn't equal creating a wrist shooter that launches a substance that is stonger then steel, and as flexible as yarn, and as sticky as superglue.

If the wrist luanchers are used the movie should be..

Peter get's bit by spider, get's super strength

Peter invents wristlaunchers... and, instead of figthing crime... he uses his buddy's dad, Normas Osbourne for a business loan. Peter perfects them, sells them off to Oscorp for a cool 30 million dollars. Normans manufactures them for the US military, then gives Peter a management job in his research and development branch.

Peter picks MJ up in his sports car, they get married, have kids.... he only uses his super strength in bed...

Aunt May and Uncle Ben, Peter pays off their debt and takes them back to "old country"

end movie..
again using your gifts for helping people rather than profit was the entire point of Uncle Ben's death.

Of course Peter could make millions being a tv star or athlete because of his speed and strength but that would throw the whole "great power, great responsibility" thing right out the window.

[BillyZaned]

again using your gifts for helping people rather than profit was the entire point of Uncle Ben's death.

Of course Peter could make millions being a tv star or athlete because of his speed and strength but that would throw the whole "great power, great responsibility" thing right out the window.

Mark McGwire "Yes, I did use radioactive spiders. But I only did it to help me recover faster from my injury"

[Agent 194]

If we're rebooting...I say go with mechanical. Wow. And now this site has come full circle. Weird.

[MessiahDecoy123]

besides giving away the formula would mean giving up his identity as Spider-man.

Parker would never do that after his uncle's death.

[BillyZaned]

besides giving away the formula would mean giving up his identity as Spider-man.

Parker would never do that after his uncle's death.

he wouldn't be spiderman....

but, if Peter was smart enough to create web shooters... I don't even think he'd be going to a public HS... he'd either be in a private school, or even college....

[MessiahDecoy123]

we've seen organics. Been there, done that.

Now let's see a Spider-man who calibrates his webshooters or adjust his web formula to fight Electro, Sandman, or Mysterio.

[BillyZaned]

we've seen organics. Been there, done that.

Now let's see a Spider-man who calibrates his webshooters or adjust his web formula to fight Electro, Sandman, or Mysterio.

yeah, that will be fun... spiderman trying to find his socket for his ratchet so he can adjust his web shooters...

[MessiahDecoy123]

he wouldn't be spiderman....

but, if Peter was smart enough to create web shooters... I don't even think he'd be going to a public HS... he'd either be in a private school, or even college....
Maybe he wants to go to the same school as Mary Jane.

but it's not out of the realm of possibility that a prodigy goes to public school. Stranger things have happened.

[Spidey-Quad]

wow 2 to 10

WOW, that brought a lot to the discussion! 2 to 10 what? Your thoughts? Talk about a cry for minimum post restriction. Perhaps Blankman would be more apropriote.

[MessiahDecoy123]

yeah, that will be fun... spiderman trying to find his socket for his ratchet so he can adjust his web shooters...
I meant calibrate them at home not in mid-battle. :yay:

[BillyZaned]

I meant calibrate them at home not in mid-battle. :yay:


Reporter: "where is Spiderman"

Cuts to Aunt Mays house

Peter in the garage, looking for his lost tools

Peter "aunt may, have you seen my socket set"

Aunt May "maybe if you kept better care of them, you wouldn't have trouble finding them. What do you need them for anyways?"

[Nathan]

Has anyone ever seen this?

z2oEP3RWppA

If we can have someone build that in real life, then we can have someone build freaking webshooters in a fantasy Movie.

[Batspider77]

I say both.
Let Peter have the Web coming out of his wrists just like in Raimis Version,but he has to create the Webshooters to be able to shoot and form the Web.

[BillyZaned]

Has anyone ever seen this?

z2oEP3RWppA

If we can have someone build that in real life, then we can have someone build freaking webshooters in a fantasy Movie.

that guy used to have hair...

plus, I think the cavemen created fire... not organic webbing

[Nathan]

that guy used to have hair...

plus, I think the cavemen created fire... not organic webbing

The web fluid is a whole different matter. Webshooters shouldn't be a big deal to build in a fantasy movie. As for the web fluid, as I said before, the Ultimate books handled that quite well. Or as others mentioned, a combination of organics with webshooters used to aim and control.

I just don't understand the idea of being against webshooters when there's been crazier stuff done in Movies.

[Mister J]

I just don't understand the idea of being against webshooters when there's been crazier stuff done in Movies.
There's crazier stuff done in the past Spidey franchise. Some people refuse to allow that to register out of personal preference and act as if it's a proper condemnation.

[ultimatefan]

I got so sick of this argument at this point I just don´t care anymore.

[Mister J]

Thanks for sharing.

[comicman]

Oh no....please not this again :doh:

[Backdrifter]

I think main issue with web shooters is that the whole concept is very dated and stems from Peter getting his powers from a radio-active spider. The story has moved beyond that into genetic alteration which seems more realistic, thus organic webshooters are a logical choice.

[Boom]

What I want: mechanical webshooters.
What we'll get: organic webshooters.

[Daybreak_st]

What's the point of re-booting the franchise and yet keeping everything the same? Why do it then? You might as well go with mechanical webshooters, at least then there's an avenue to delve into the scientist part of peter parker. Ultimate Spider-man handeled it nicely with his dad having develped but not perffected the formula. Have peter finish the formula. And yes he's suppose to be smart, maybe he just cant afford private school so he has to settle for going to public school.

I honestly don't care one way or the other over the webs as long as they come out of his wrist. My point is don't do a reboot then keep everything the same. At least with mech webshooters you can do the spider tracers and a whole host of other gadgets he invented, like impact webbing and stingers, etc.

[Crook]

I think main issue with web shooters is that the whole concept is very dated and stems from Peter getting his powers from a radio-active spider. The story has moved beyond that into genetic alteration which seems more realistic, thus organic webshooters are a logical choice.
Please read through the previous 4 pages, then come back and say it's "logical" in any shape or form.

[Kent]

Since they're *sigh* rebooting this I guess I'd prefer the mechs. Though I think they could probably make it a bit more plausible if they used the idea I believe Stan Lee put forth in an interview once, namely have Peter struggle with the formula before being bitten by the spider and after the bite he all of a sudden has an intuitive feeling of how the formula should work.

[Jick09]

I never understood Peter not having the most distinct characteristic of the spiders anyway...

Oh well...I don't think I care anymore.

[Nathan]

The organics are just as silly as the webshooters. People say the organics would be more logical. Well, let's talk "logic" then. If Spidey would indeed have organic webshooters, they'd still eventually run out. The body can't produce unlimited supplies of webbing. He'd have to consume adequate amounts of food in order to replenish them. But we've never seen him do that. He gets organics and suddenly his webbing is limitless.

[Immortalfire]

Doesn't matter to me, really. But I know that badly joker MATT is going to show up and say that ORGANICS are the greatest thing ever

[Matt]

Doesn't matter to me, really. But I know that badly joker MATT is going to show up and say that ORGANICS are the greatest thing ever

Once again the badiest joker immortalfire tells his lyies and nonsenses wen is that clown going to join the circus.

[Backdrifter]

The organics are just as silly as the webshooters. People say the organics would be more logical. Well, let's talk "logic" then. If Spidey would indeed have organic webshooters, they'd still eventually run out. The body can't produce unlimited supplies of webbing. He'd have to consume adequate amounts of food in order to replenish them. But we've never seen him do that. He gets organics and suddenly his webbing is limitless.

I agree with this. I think he should run out of web. It creates quite a bit of drama.

I just don't think it is believable for a 15 year old kid to have the chemical know how to create a formula for affordable synthetic spider silk (something which even genius professional chemists can't do) and while at the same time possessing the mechanical engineering skills to design and build a dynamic super pressurized firing mechanism. Not to mention where would a 15 year old kid get the resources to produce this formula and the shooters to begin with? When I was fifteen I could barely afford to buy a PlayStation game. Suspension of disbelief just isn't feasible.

[GhostPoet]

Organic for me...I never really liked the web shooters.

[Crook]

I agree with this. I think he should run out of web. It creates quite a bit of drama.

I just don't think it is believable for a 15 year old kid to have the chemical know how to create a formula for affordable synthetic spider silk (something which even genius professional chemists can't do) and while at the same time possessing the mechanical engineering skills to design and build a dynamic super pressurized firing mechanism. Not to mention where would a 15 year old kid get the resources to produce this formula and the shooters to begin with? When I was fifteen I could barely afford to buy a PlayStation game. Suspension of disbelief just isn't feasible.
But spider-silk being produced inside his body, which requires an entire circulatory system reconfiguration, and coming out of his wrists (???), is completely fine. :doh:

The USM explanation is close in concept, but it still deviates to convenient storytelling. Dad works on special formula for years and years, and his son gets bitten by a genetically altered spider that coincidentally relates to said formula? Yeah, not into that.

I'd much rather Peter steal research material from the same labs that were working on the spiders. After getting bit, he experiences these newfound powers and being somewhat of a genius himself, wants to figure out what the hell is going on. A scientific team doing genetic research on arachnids would most likely be studying spider-silk and the means to reproduce it for industrial uses. That's half the work done. Borrowing from USM at this point, Peter completes the formula from the combination of being a science wiz, and having the innate know-how to reproduce specialized protein fibers. Anyone questioning that last bit should read my previous post about pre-disposed genetic traits.

[Figs]

I like the organic webbing but since this is a reboot I say this time around they go with the classic Web-shooters. That way with Raimi's films and these new ones we can get a taste of both.

[Nathan]

The USM explanation is close in concept, but it still deviates to convenient storytelling. Dad works on special formula for years and years, and his son gets bitten by a genetically altered spider that coincidentally relates to said formula? Yeah, not into that.

Actually, it wasn't Spider-silk. It was some sort of super glue formular that his father worked on and Peter managed to complete it.

[Watson]

But spider-silk being produced inside his body, which requires an entire circulatory system reconfiguration, and coming out of his wrists (???), is completely fine. :doh:

The USM explanation is close in concept, but it still deviates to convenient storytelling. Dad works on special formula for years and years, and his son gets bitten by a genetically altered spider that coincidentally relates to said formula? Yeah, not into that.

I'd much rather Peter steal research material from the same labs that were working on the spiders. After getting bit, he experiences these newfound powers and being somewhat of a genius himself, wants to figure out what the hell is going on. A scientific team doing genetic research on arachnids would most likely be studying spider-silk and the means to reproduce it for industrial uses. That's half the work done. Borrowing from USM at this point, Peter completes the formula from the combination of being a science wiz, and having the innate know-how to reproduce specialized protein fibers. Anyone questioning that last bit should read my previous post about pre-disposed genetic traits.

I could get behind something like this. It would placate some of the folks who think mechs are out of the question.

[Crook]

Actually, it wasn't Spider-silk. It was some sort of super glue formular that his father worked on and Peter managed to complete it.
I know it wasn't spider-silk, but it's related to it. Having Pete be bitten by a spider just adds to the whole coincidental factor. One that strikes me as too convenient. But it's a good start. I can understand the hesitance to him building the material from the ground-up. That's why there needs to be a compromise.

[Captain_Death]

Either one would be fine.

[the a1ant]

Web shooters for me. If you're going to reboot, might as well make it different (and closer to the source material).

[Golgo-13]

I just don't think it is believable for a 15 year old kid to have the chemical know how to create a formula for affordable synthetic spider silk (something which even genius professional chemists can't do) and while at the same time possessing the mechanical engineering skills to design and build a dynamic super pressurized firing mechanism. Not to mention where would a 15 year old kid get the resources to produce this formula and the shooters to begin with? When I was fifteen I could barely afford to buy a PlayStation game. Suspension of disbelief just isn't feasible.

Well you could say the same thing about Spideys costume too. He could barely pay the rent, yet someone afford a multi-thousand dollars suit with raised webbing, plus all the repairs that needed to be done to it battle after battle. Like i said before, ppl buy into things when they want to. Let's just throw the whole 'logic' reason out the window. Trying to explain a fictional characters attributes with logic, is illogical....

[the dmg]

I say keep it organic, but let him make webshooters to control the web fluid better when shooting.

I like this idea a lot. If they do go the organic route again, they should explain that since he doesn't have spinnerets controlling the web, he needed to construct something to help him concentrate his webbing.

If not, I would like to see them explore the idea of web shooters and show Parker's genius in doing what others can't.

[BrollySupersj]

Web shooters are lame as hell. Organic web shooters are the way to go. Because...ya know...it's an ACTUAL power he has. Not a gadget Batman would use.

[Nathan]

I know it wasn't spider-silk, but it's related to it. Having Pete be bitten by a spider just adds to the whole coincidental factor. One that strikes me as too convenient. But it's a good start. I can understand the hesitance to him building the material from the ground-up. That's why there needs to be a compromise.

I haven't seen where it mentiones in the comics that it's related to Spider-silk. It's a molecular adhesive, as it says in the comics.

So there isn't really much of a coincidental factor, that he was working on something Spider-related and then even got bit by a Spider.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Web shooters are lame as hell. Organic web shooters are the way to go. Because...ya know...it's an ACTUAL power he has. Not a gadget Batman would use.

Peter Parker's mind IS an actual power, dude. It makes him formidable against Dr. Ock and Green Goblin. Most of Spider-man's adversaries use gadgets so it makes sense that he does too.

Spider-man has used webshooters for 40 plus years and no one had a problem with it.

[Crook]

Web shooters are lame as hell. Organic web shooters are the way to go. Because...ya know...it's an ACTUAL power he has. Not a gadget Batman would use.
What does it being a power or gadget have to do with anything? Please tell me "it's cooler!" isn't the argument being used here.

I haven't seen where it mentiones in the comics that it's related to Spider-silk. It's a molecular adhesive, as it says in the comics.

So there isn't really much of a coincidental factor, that he was working on something Spider-related and then even got bit by a Spider.
The relation is the adhesive factor. The comparisons between a "glue" and spider-silk are fairly obvious. I haven't read the comics in a while, but did it say whether the formula is THE formula his dad worked on? I can see it being a bit more plausible if it was only one of the many experimental projects that were being tested.

[Nathan]

I can see it being a bit more plausible if it was only one of the many experimental projects that were being tested.

Yeah, Peter tells Harry it's one of several patents that his father has worked on.

[BrollySupersj]

What does it being a power or gadget have to do with anything? Please tell me "it's cooler!" isn't the argument being used here.

No, that isn't the argument being used here. The argument here, is that it just makes better sense.

Bitten by a radioactive spider, you obtain, spider sense,wall crawling, strength, agility, and web shooting.

It's just the better way to go.

[MessiahDecoy123]

No, that isn't the argument being used here. The argument here, is that it just makes better sense.

Bitten by a radioactive spider, you obtain, spider sense,wall crawling, strength, agility, and web shooting.

It's just the better way to go.

Peter can't shoot webbing because it requires too much spider physiology unlike the rest which are simply enhanced human abilities or attributes..

spider-sense = human pre-cognition

wall crawling = tiny human hair with microscopic hooks

super-strength = exaggerated human strength

super-agility = exaggerated human agility

webshooting = WTF?

Shooting webs require the internal organs of a spider. The rest of Spidey's powers don't.

[Nathan]

And honestly, if we're going with what makes sense, he wouldn't be shooting webs out of his wrist.

[BrollySupersj]

Peter can't shoot webbing because it requires too much spider physiology unlike the rest which are simply enhanced human abilities or attributes..

spider-sense = human pre-cognition

wall crawling = tiny human hair with microscopic hooks

super-strength = exaggerated human strength

super-agility = exaggerated human agility

webshooting = WTF?

Shooting webs require the internal organs of a spider. The rest of Spidey's powers don't.

The powers came from being bitten, webshooters should be no exception.

[MessiahDecoy123]

The powers came from being bitten, webshooters should be no exception.
If Peter gets spider parts from the bite then why stop at webbing organs?

Why not give him eight limbs and eyes?

Some of the abilities not transferring because they require too much spider-physiology does make sense. After all, Peter Parker is still mostly human,. He looks nothing like a spider. Inside or outside.

That's the way it should be.

We don't want Spider-girl laying eggs down the road, do we?

[Crook]

You're not looking at it closely enough. The addition of organics alters on a physiological level. So why would that be the only arachnoid trait that transfers to Peter? Why not extra limbs, or eyes? That's picking and choosing.

EDIT: Ok, beaten to it. :o

[Nathan]

That is just too convenient, that he would get all the Spider's best traits, but none of the yucky ones. Like the extra limbs and eyes as mentioned or having the need to dissolve food before eating it.

I can remember seeing a Movie, where a person has also gotten Spider powers. He started to shoot webbing from his stomach and his hunger was so great that he started to eat people, by disdolving them and sucking them dry. It was basically Spider-Man gone horribly wrong.

[BrollySupersj]

Meh, it's just my preference, and I hope they stick with it. Or find a way to have both.

[Artistsean]

Giving him organic eliminates the screen time needed to explain how he invented the web shooters. Giving more time for other things like the creation of the costume, or the bite of the spider. However, taking away the webshooters takes away the parts where Spider-Man uses up his web fluid, goes to shoot and says "Oh no! I used up all my we fluid." In a scene where the bad guy is getting away or he is falling. The studio also looses the marketability of toy webshooters and replicas.
but I am fine with either.

[BrollySupersj]

Giving him organic eliminates the screen time needed to explain how he invented the web shooters. Giving more time for other things like the creation of the costume, or the bite of the spider. However, taking away the webshooters takes away the parts where Spider-Man uses up his web fluid, goes to shoot and says "Oh no! I used up all my we fluid." In a scene where the bad guy is getting away or he is falling. The studio also looses the marketability of toy webshooters and replicas.
but I am fine with either.

Not entirely, even though the last 3 movies had Spider-Man using organic webshooters, they still made webshooter toys.

[Sawyer]

Keep the organics. Just to piss the fanboys off.

[spider-neil]

the one thing about webshooters is in one succinct move you show the genius of peter parker. sure it was 'hinted' at in the movies but this would without a shadow of a doubt show he is one of the smartest teens of his generation.

[Nathan]

There doesn't need to be lots of screentime of him showing how he build the webshooters. Afterall, the first movie didn't show how he sew his costume togther. He drew a picture and tadaa, later he was in costume. In the same way you can show him draw schematics and later he uses webshooters without much explanation.

As for the web fluid, Crook's idea of Peter completing someone else's formular doesn't sound too bad. It could be one of many experiments that are being worked on in Dr. Conner's Lab. You could throw a simple line in there when Conners shows the work to some other students, "And here we have a molecular adhesive that we're working on, that even some of your more promising young minds have a problem with. *smiles at Peter* "But we're getting there." Peter: "Uhm... heh... yeah..."

[Bruce Malone]

I just never understood peters motivation for making the shooters? So you're a kid who all of a sudden is blessed with super strenght, agility, spider sense but the first thing you think to do after you get them is to spend countless hours inventing some sort of webbing solution?

I'm pretty sure he'd just enjoy the powers and not go throught the hassle of inventing some new type of tech.

[Captain Planet!]

I really, REALLY don't give one bit of ****.

But they might as well use web-shooters, cause organics would just seem like a rehash (****, The whole movie will probably just be a rehash).

[terry78]

Organic has become the staple in the books and what not, so leave them in.

[Backdrifter]

I just never understood peters motivation for making the shooters? So you're a kid who all of a sudden is blessed with super strenght, agility, spider sense but the first thing you think to do after you get them is to spend countless hours inventing some sort of webbing solution?

I'm pretty sure he'd just enjoy the powers and not go throught the hassle of inventing some new type of tech.

That is another thing to consider. What would even motivate him to create something so unbelievably technically advanced. And why, if he were to do something as incredible as that, would he just sit on it and use it for crime fighting? Such a technological innovation would be worth millions. You would have to be an idiot to use it for only for swinging around the city.

As far as the side effects of the organics... that would be something that could be explored and an opportunity for Peter to develop a relationship with Dr. Connors as he works to reverse the negative effects of the mutation.

[Golgo-13]

If Peter gets spider parts from the bite then why stop at webbing organs?

Why not give him eight limbs and eyes?

Some of the abilities not transferring because they require too much spider-physiology does make sense. After all, Peter Parker is still mostly human,. He looks nothing like a spider. Inside or outside.

That's the way it should be.

We don't want Spider-girl laying eggs down the road, do we?

Very good point. The fact that he can now shoot webs organically would mean that he would need additional organs added to his human organs. Spider-Man is still a man. Nothing, except a deeply studied blood sample would give anyone any clue that he has Spider-like abilities. How a bite from a spider could suddenly make a person grow an un-human organs is very illogical. Like you said, the transferring of attributes that are simply enhancements of what humans can already do, is one thing, but having spider spinnets now in your human body is pushing it......that is unless they are going with the 'Neogenic Nightmare' type saga, where the spider bite was only the beginning of Spider-Man eventually mutating into a real-life human spider hybrid.......

[Crook]

I just never understood peters motivation for making the shooters? So you're a kid who all of a sudden is blessed with super strenght, agility, spider sense but the first thing you think to do after you get them is to spend countless hours inventing some sort of webbing solution?

I'm pretty sure he'd just enjoy the powers and not go throught the hassle of inventing some new type of tech.
I would imagine the recently attained spider-abilities influence his interest in the species. Spider-silk is one of the most well known attributes, so there's a start. My earlier idea of Peter finding research papers from the place he got bit from served as a basis for explaining his powers, but also gives meaning to Peter's intrigue with the whole human-spider concept. You're right, there does seem to be a gap of logic and exposition when it comes to the origin. But I guess this is one of the many areas a reboot can explore a bit better.

[Backdrifter]

It might also be more realistic for Peter to develop his new abilities over a long period of time instead of an overnight conversion like in the first movie. Perhaps heightened senses come first and then super strength followed by wall climbing and then finally organic web shooters. This might be interesting to explore juxtaposed with other students who are going through puberty. Maybe some kind of comical scene with Peter in health class. I don't know. There is a way to make organic work. It would not be unlike gene therapy. It would take time.

[terry78]

Maybe he makes the web shooters first and then slowly he gains organics, like you said. Yeah, it would be a coincidence, but whatever.

[Nathan]

That is another thing to consider. What would even motivate him to create something so unbelievably technically advanced.

Well, in the first comics the web formular came to him instinctively after getting bitten by the Spider. Silly yes, but hey, it was a comic. He build the shooters and made the web to emulate the one power the Spider didn't give him.

And why, if he were to do something as incredible as that, would he just sit on it and use it for crime fighting? Such a technological innovation would be worth millions. You would have to be an idiot to use it for only for swinging around the city.

Well, webshooters alone wouldn't be useful for anything. He tried to make money off of his web formular, but it was also useless, since it would dissolve after an hour. He was supposed to come back once he perfected it, which he still hasn't done.

[Backdrifter]

Well, webshooters alone wouldn't be useful for anything. He tried to make money off of his web formular, but it was also useless, since it would dissolve after an hour. He was supposed to come back once he perfected it, which he still hasn't done.

Are you kidding? The uses for a high pressure spider-web gun would massive. Non-violent weapon for crown control and law enforcement. All kinds of militaristic uses. The formula alone would extremely valuable for the creation of new construction materials. Can you imagine building a suspension bridge out of spider-web silk? It would be nearly indestructible.

But, a 15 year old kid from created it just to fight crime with his new super powers? Paleeease.....

[Nathan]

Like I said, the webbing always dissolved after an hour. Have fun building a suspension bridge that dissolves an hour later.

[Darkness Falls]

ah the fabled organic vs Web shooters discussion has returned lol

[Closerframe]

It would honestly be annoying if Spider-Man constantly has to change his webbing in the middle of a fight, or while swinging from building to building.

[Crook]

It would also be annoying watching Peter clumsily trying to take his outfit off in-between piss breaks. God, that'd be a bore.

[Nathan]

It would honestly be annoying if Spider-Man constantly has to change his webbing in the middle of a fight, or while swinging from building to building.

And who says he'd have to do that?

"Ok, listen up. Since we're giving him mechanical webshooters this time, make sure to write a cartridge changing scene into the script, every 5 pages."

He wouldn't have to change cartridges every 10 minutes or run out of webbing at crucial moments, we can easily assume that he changes them off screen or show him filling them up before he leaves home. Showing him run out of webs would only be used rarely for dramatic moments and to have him resort to other options.

[Closerframe]

And who says he'd have to do that?

"Ok, listen up. Since we're giving him mechanical webshooters this time, make sure to write a cartridge changing scene into the script, every 5 pages."

He wouldn't have to change cartridges every 10 minutes or run out of webbing at crucial moments, we can easily assume that he changes them off screen or show him filling them up before he leaves home. Showing him run out of webs would only be used rarely for dramatic moments and to have him resort to other options.

Than what would be the point of introducing mechanical webbing in the first place if it won't even be shown that he changes it? :huh:

[Crook]

Oh my god, please get out. :(

[Nathan]

Than what would be the point of introducing mechanical webbing in the first place if it won't even be shown that he changes it? :huh:

Because I said never show him change his cartridges ever. Right.

Anway, he can apply different properties to his webbing, like he's done in the comics before. Which helps him against certain villains. Like, don't know, make the webbing less conductive against a villain like Electro, but in turn it might maybe not be as strong as the original webbing.

[Closerframe]

Oh my god, please get out. :(

I should get out because I'm one of the few that actually liked the organic webbing? Its called an opinion :whatever:

[Closerframe]

Because I said never show him change his cartridges ever. Right.

Anway, he can apply different properties to his webbing, like he's done in the comics before. Which helps him against certain villains. Like, don't know, make the webbing less conductive against a villain like Electro, but in turn it might maybe not be as strong as the original webbing.

You'll probably get just that since the studio is going for a more realistic approach. I honestly don't mind either one, as long as the story and characters are done right.

[Crook]

I should get out because I'm one of the few that actually liked the organic webbing? Its called an opinion :whatever:
You should get out before someone attempts to break down how absolutely retarded the last few "arguments" you've just made are.

I have absolutely no problem conversing with those of the opposite opinion, as evidenced by my participation in this thread with about 5 other people.

[Backdrifter]

Like I said, the webbing always dissolved after an hour. Have fun building a suspension bridge that dissolves an hour later.
Wait, so no only does he manage to create a synthetic spider-silk formula be he also manages to make formulate it with rapid decaying properties?

:whatever:

Sorry, it is much easier for me to believe his genetic make is altered which causes him to develop spider-like properties.

[Closerframe]

You should get out before someone attempts to break down how absolutely retarded the last few "arguments" you've just made are.

I have absolutely no problem conversing with those of the opposite opinion, as evidenced by my participation in this thread with about 5 other people.

My first post and those that followed it were never meant to begin an argument, I was merely placing my ballot in the voting process, and decided to comment on what I wanted. It wasn't necessary for you to assert nor claim that my few "arguments" were absolutely retarded because I didn't come into this forum writing paragraphs upon paragraphs of how web shooters are the way to go. Sorry to disappoint you.

[Nathan]

Wait, so no only does he manage to create a synthetic spider-silk formula be he also manages to make formulate it with rapid decaying properties?

It's because the formular is not perfect. It's not 100% natural Spider-silk, he had to create it with chemicals available to him. The fast decaying properties are something he hasn't intended.

Sorry, it is much easier for me to believe his genetic make is altered which causes him to develop spider-like properties.

And no one said stick 100% with the classic comic book Origin. The Ultimate comics came up with a more plausible scenario and there are still other ways the webbing can be created without him coming up with the formular out of thin air.

[Crook]

My first post and those that followed it were never meant to begin an argument, I was merely placing my ballot in the voting process, and decided to comment on what I wanted. It wasn't necessary for you to assert nor claim that my few "arguments" were absolutely retarded because I didn't come into this forum writing paragraphs upon paragraphs of how web shooters are the way to go. Sorry to disappoint you.
There's nothing to disappoint, I was trying to help you out before you dug yourself too big of a hole. The quality of one's position has nothing to do with the variable length it takes to explain it.

I find the critique of "but we'll have to see him reload it over and over again!" pretty humorous. I would think it's obvious to anyone that a director shows only what needs to be shown, as this is not a documentary piece detailing every maneuver Peter makes (hence my pee-break joke). The times which his webshooters fail him, or how he refills the cartridges need only be served sparingly where appropriate.

[Closerframe]

There's nothing to disappoint, I was trying to help you out before you dug yourself too big of a hole. The quality of one's position has nothing to do with the variable length it takes to explain it.

I find the critique of "but we'll have to see him reload it over and over again!" pretty humorous. I would think it's obvious to anyone that a director shows only what needs to be shown, as this is not a documentary piece detailing every maneuver Peter makes (hence my pee-break joke). The times which his webshooters fail him, or how he refills the cartridges need only be served sparingly where appropriate.

There is something called sarcasm, I know the writers aren't stupid enough to do such a thing to show each time Parker needs new webs he'll run off screen to do so. They aren't 20th Century Fox. Thanks for the help though. :yay:

[Bruce Malone]

For a common ground i like the idea someone brought up of peter's spider webbing being organic but needing a contraption to focus the webbing for it to be usefull.

[Alex The Great]

Oh Boy :awesome:



anyways, I wouldn't MIND web shooters, heck, after watching Spectacular Spider-Man, I kind of prefer it, but as long as they don't make it look too corny and stuff.

[The IronMan]

I like the idea of a mechanical device to help Peter have a more versital way of controling his organic webbing

[Shockdingo]

New direction, new start. I'm all for the mechanical ones, I was fine with the organic ones, but this time, I want to see his scientific mind represented in other ways as well.

[Dr Tactics]

Wow, I haven't been here since 2003. I came back to post my ballot and bounce cause these arguments have been done to death. I've always wanted Mech-Shooters cause THATS SPIDER-MAN(PETER) I've always known. One person James Cameron say's lets make them Organic and Raimi agrees and "poof" 40+ years of Comics are UNBELIEVABLE?? Comics require SUSPENSION OF BELIEF so all debates for or against is only a matter of personal preference and logically has no place. It all makes sense and they both don't make sense. I hope they Go mech anyway if not to separate from the previous series and hope they steer more towards the USM route.

I'm out till 2012!!

[Mach2Infinity]

I would much prefer if they use organic web shooters. To change it to artificial web shooters would simply be to purposely be different from the other films and is no more than superficial. If Peter Parker is going to gain a spider's abilities then he should have all of them or none at all.

[samsnee]

I want it to be organic just to keep the story focused on big picture. Plus, in every incarnation aside from the movies, Parker always runs out of fluid at some pivotal moment. I can see some lazy writer using this same plot device in the movie.

[Asteroid-Man]

I like the explaination the 90's Animated series gave as to how Peter could created a web-fluid formula. 'When the spider bit him, it transfered the knowledge of how to combine different enzymes to make the web-fluid'...from the episode 'Make a Wish" -Season 3.
This.

[Alex The Great]

This.
Sucks

I mean, gains knowledge from the Spider? What the flying ****?

[Crook]

I would much prefer if they use organic web shooters. To change it to artificial web shooters would simply be to purposely be different from the other films and is no more than superficial.
Or, you know, follow every other interpretation that has stayed with the mechanical shooters for the better part of the character's life. Just saying.

If Peter Parker is going to gain a spider's abilities then he should have all of them or none at all.It's not an ability, per se, as much as it is a biological need and function. If you're to take the stance Peter needs to be physiologically altered to have spinnerets, then the "all or nothing" principle demands Peter actually resemble more of a spider than he does a man.

Sucks

I mean, gains knowledge from the Spider? What the flying ****?
How's that spider-sense going?

[Spectacular23]

Web shooters all the way. I have always want to see how the Web shooters will work on film. If they do use it i think it will make the film more interesting. PLUS with the film going back with him being in high school there like a 70% chance of him using web shooters.:awesome:

[Golgo-13]

Sucks

I mean, gains knowledge from the Spider? What the flying ****?

But passing along the ability for a 150lb man to grow tiny hairs on his finger tips, enabling him to cling to walls, through his costume and boots, is just fine...:whatever:

[SamuraiSon6]

organic, i like the more "super" aspect of it, thats all, simple

[Mach2Infinity]

Or, you know, follow every other interpretation that has stayed with the mechanical shooters for the better part of the character's life. Just saying.

The film doesn't need to slavishly follow the comics in every single mintue detail. The omission of artificial web shooters will not peturb film-goers to the same degree that a lack of plot/characterisation would do. In the grand scheme of things, it is a inconsequential and a superficial element.

It's not an ability, per se, as much as it is a biological need and function. If you're to take the stance Peter needs to be physiologically altered to have spinnerets, then the "all or nothing" principle demands Peter actually resemble more of a spider than he does a man.I said if Peter Parker is to acquire/inherit spider abilities (rather than have his physiology mutated) from a spider bite then it simply makes sense he would be able to secrete web and 'spindle' or shoot it. If you're going to allow a man to climb walls, have super strength, speed and hyper-awareness. The viewer is not going to balk at the notion of a man who's been bitten by preternatural spider to shoot web. It's a logical progression from the conceit that a man has spider-like powers.

[SPIDER-ADDA]

I don't know why the mechanical ones were ever considered implausible.

1) We're talking about a certifiable scientific genius with no social life. Definitely not out of the realm of possibility that he would make them.
2) This is a comic. If I can make a leap of faith that a spider gave a kid superpowers, then I can believe he could invent his own web shooters.

THANK YOU
It's nice to see that somebody gets it. If a movie is based on a
comic-book character the entire concept should be embraced.

[MessiahDecoy123]

Organic has become the staple in the books and what not, so leave them in.
But Spider-man had webshooters for 40 plus years, yet we've never seen them in a movie. Webshooters in a movie are long overdue.

[terry78]

I feel like I'm back in the year 2001 all over again. :o

[Crook]

The film doesn't need to slavishly follow the comics in every single mintue detail. The omission of artificial web shooters will not peturb film-goers to the same degree that a lack of plot/characterisation would do. In the grand scheme of things, it is a inconsequential and a superficial element.
Where did I infer the film had to slavishly follow anything? Your initial comment acted as if the webshooters were a contrarian concept to oppose Raimi's vision. That is completely ignoring the precedent it has in every other interpretation pre-2002. By the same regard, if the very concept of webshooters is a superficial element, then it doesn't really matter if organics are there, correct?

I said if Peter Parker is to acquire/inherit spider abilities (rather than have his physiology mutated) from a spider bite then it simply makes sense he would be able to secrete web and 'spindle' or shoot it.
And you're completely missing the point that the ability to secrete webs is inherently tied to physiology. What are you not getting here? That's like making up the idea of bullets that don't hurt when fired from a gun.

How can you bring "sense" into this topic when you've completely thrown that out the window?

If you're going to allow a man to climb walls, have super strength, speed and hyper-awareness. The viewer is not going to balk at the notion of a man who's been bitten by preternatural spider to shoot web. It's a logical progression from the conceit that a man has spider-like powers.
This isn't really about that. From the very beginning of the thread, "logic" and "plausibility" has been used to argue against either concepts. It's more than obvious the general audience really doesn't give a damn. But to be honest, their opinion doesn't matter when adapting material they know next to nothing about.

[Backdrifter]

So really what you are saying is that you want to be right? You want to feel like you are on top because you have such flawless logic? Yikes.

[MessiahDecoy123]

I said if Peter Parker is to acquire/inherit spider abilities (rather than have his physiology mutated) from a spider bite then it simply makes sense he would be able to secrete web and 'spindle' or shoot it. If you're going to allow a man to climb walls, have super strength, speed and hyper-awareness. The viewer is not going to balk at the notion of a man who's been bitten by preternatural spider to shoot web. It's a logical progression from the conceit that a man has spider-like powers.
Organics are too obvious and uninspired. It makes Spider-man a one-trick pony. He's a superhero because the bite gave him everything he needed.

With mechs Peter contributes something to his own arsenal of spider-abilities.

It makes him a more dynamic superhero who has a superhero brain to go along with his superhero body.

[The Lizard]

Once again the badiest joker immortalfire tells his lyies and nonsenses wen is that clown going to join the circus.

Now that you've invoked the spirit of Mr Parker/Bakerboy, they will eventually appear. It's like saying "Cthulhu" out loud. Or "Candlejack".

[DAFOE!]

I voted webshooter.

I think they're a nice nod to Peter's scientific know how and could provide a bit of drama even, like he runs out of webbing during a fight or something.

But if they went organic? Fine by me.

[Crook]

So really what you are saying is that you want to be right? You want to feel like you are on top because you have such flawless logic? Yikes.
Why don't you try actually responding to what I say instead of making things up? My very first post in this thread plainly states I think both are ridiculous concepts in their own right.

[Backdrifter]

Dude, then why are you in here stirring up stuff?

[Crook]

What am I stirring up? I'm arguing against gaps of logic when people try and bring plausibility and science into this. This guy had it right:
organic, i like the more "super" aspect of it, thats all, simple
Simple. He's stating preference, but doesn't try and make up bullcrap science to justify it. I think even he knows it falls apart when it gets to that point, as I and some have pointed out in this thread.

[bjt]

I like the organic, but would be interesting see the webshooter in the movie.
http://www.originalprop.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/webshooter-comparison-x800.jpg

[FrostBite]

I've been involved with Spidey since I was 3, and web-shooters have always been lame. Organics all the way.

"I have been endowed with all the powers of a Spider! The ability to climb! To jump! To lift!"
"Can you spin a web?"
"If you let me dig some crap out of my dumpster I'll Macgyver up some web for you."

[Kane]

I can't say I really care in what they decide to go with. The organic webs were one of the very few changes from the comics that I was okay with. However, like others have pointed out, I'd definitely be interested in seeing how they'd tackle the webshooters for the big screen without it seeming goofy in the context of the film.

[Doctor Who]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/Spider-man_webshooters.jpg

Yeah, these would be better. :woot:

[PROLIFIK1]

Organics. There's a tradeoff in having web shooters. Its either Peter has the brains/budget to mass produce web fluid and have a crappy suit; or have organics then have a budget to produce a good looking suit. I know its all fantasy, but I find it already weird where a kid has the brains to build such shooters let alone produce a professional looking suit.

[Nathan]

I would much prefer if they use organic web shooters. To change it to artificial web shooters would simply be to purposely be different from the other films and is no more than superficial. If Peter Parker is going to gain a spider's abilities then he should have all of them or none at all.

Right you are. Let's not stop with the few abilities like wallcrawling, super strength and agility. Let's give him all of the Spider's traits. I'm looking forward to the new Movie already.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/562/spidermanmanspider.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/spidermanmanspider.jpg/)

[DACMAN]

Yeah, I was suprised how much I ended up loving the organic webshooters. I liked how that was part of his powers. But, the kid in me would love to see Peter make webshooters on screen just like the comics.

[Daybreak_st]

Now it’s just plain silly to have people complaining about how the reboot needs to be faithful to the source material, etc. etc, then say…but use the organic webbing! Been done before, worked great sure, but if we’re rebooting, why not showcase a part of the comic that’s….wait for it…always been there! What a novel idea. Peter is suppose to be a really smart kid bound for greatness, the truth is if he never became spider-man he probably would’ve gone on to become rich and famous, in the one comic I think it was (forgot the name but scarlet witch changed reality so mutants were in charge) but Peter did sell it off and became rich, etc. etc.

The mech webs would be great to see on screen, add to the ingenuity of the character as well. Been said before but who said he had to design the fluid himself. Maybe his dad created it but never found a practical purpose or something, just use a little creativity people.

I just think it’s ridiculous to see people hate on the mechs or to complain about something that hasn’t happened yet, like “oh if he has mech shooters, then they’ll run out in the middle of a fight and that would be stoooopid” Umm…did you see spidey 2? Several times he tries to shoot his webs and nothing comes out. One time was in the bank and he was still sticking to a wall so all his powers hadn’t gone out. The other time he was swinging really high and they wouldn’t shoot, he fell a very long way down but didn’t die so again his powers were somewhat intact….how do you explain that? Sam was showing those exact moments of the webs running out at inconvenient times that are classic moments from the comic. He did that…wait for it…even though pete had organic webbing…
Any complaints against mech webs are just weak. You could go either way, it’s just a creative decision not a logic one.

[Mach2Infinity]

Where did I infer the film had to slavishly follow anything? Your initial comment acted as if the webshooters were a contrarian concept to oppose Raimi's vision. That is completely ignoring the precedent it has in every other interpretation pre-2002.

Hold on. You stated (to infer is to deduce/conclude not imply) where other interpretations of the character have employed artificial webshooters; the film ought not to deviate from this tradition. Which gives me the impression that if one is to be bothered about minutiae such as organic/artificial webbing then we may as well translate every single minute detail to the screen. Will it really affect your experience of viewing the film if he shoots web naturally? This is the ultimate question.

Furthermore I did not state nor imply that the argument for artificial web shooters was purposesly there to oppose a previous interpretation. I know full well that Spider-Man has employed self-made web shooters since the very inception of his character. You're the one missing the point. The point is a studio may think in myopic terms as: "well the last films had Spidey shoot web naturally. Let's make him different and shoot it from a 'device'!" The implication is studios believe that such simple changes in detail translate to wholesale changes in a character. When it is no more than a superficial change. I'm far more concerned with how Spider-Man will be characterised (the inclusion of more humour or 'quips' etc) than if he shoots web naturally or not. The vast majority of cinemagoers will accept it I imagine. Which they seemed to do last time.

By the same regard, if the very concept of webshooters is a superficial element, then it doesn't really matter if organics are there, correct?No, the superficial element is the way in which he secretes his web.

And you're completely missing the point that the ability to secrete webs is inherently tied to physiology. What are you not getting here?The irony is you'll happily accept a man who has the characteristics of a spider conferred upon him by a spider bite yet you find it very difficult that he would also be able to secrete web as a spider does. When I mentioned mutation I meant that he wouldn't sprout six legs and six eyes. Would the audience require a portion of the screen time devoted to detailing how a man's anatomy has adopted web secretion? If yes then we may as well indulge half the film explaining how a man has spider characteristics. By virtue of what Spider-Man does he defies human physiology.

How can you bring "sense" into this topic when you've completely thrown that out the window?We're talking about a fictional character who has no basis in reality and all I've expressed is a preference or predilection for this same character to secrete web biologically. It is the manner in which you reply to my posts which does not involve much sense.

This isn't really about that. From the very beginning of the thread, "logic" and "plausibility" has been used to argue against either concepts. It's more than obvious the general audience really doesn't give a damn. But to be honest, their opinion doesn't matter when adapting material they know next to nothing about.My entire point was that if an audience can suspend disbelief that a man who has acquired the capacity to do things a spider can, they will not need to question how such a man can create web naturally. To me, it follows on logically from Peter Parker gaining these 'powers'.

I understand and appreciate the argument that there is a function or rather purpose behind Peter Parker utilising artifical webbing. Such as the notion it demonstrates his intellect and scientific accumen by creating such a thing. However, it's Spider-Man's character which shows how Peter Parker is remarkable. Some one made reference to the Flash Thompson character. Where Peter Parker's intelligence is the distinguishing factor by making webbing in a laboratory. They miss the point that it's Peter Parker's character which distinguishes him from Flash Thompson. It would be far too easy and tempting to use such powers for personal and financial gain. Rather than use them for an altruistic and noble cause.

The thing in which I'd be interested is if Peter Parker finds a break-through in material design by studying the web he naturally secretes. Perhaps being able to create artificial webbing. What may satisfy both camps is that during the first film. Peter Parker's anatomy has not mutated fully to allow himself to create web. So he has to do it in a laboratory.

I found this excerpt on Wikipedia:

The discovery of silk-producing organs on the feet of the zebra tarantula (Aphonopelma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphonopelma) seemanni) has led to questions about the origins of spinnerets. It has been hypothesised that spinnerets were originally used as climbing aids on the feet and evolved for webmaking at a later time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinneret_%28spider%29 (link)

Whether it is based in fact? I don't know but it's interesting nonetheless.

[Daybreak_st]

THis is why i'd like mech webshooters

it would allow him to use other devices. Even if he has organic, i'd still like some other things, like impact webbing and spider tracers employed

http://www.donaldspidermanthomas.com/html/images/scarlet-spidersL.jpg

[Mach2Infinity]

What if he were to use the device not to secrete web but to 'shape' it? For instance if he wanted to shoot web 'balls' or any other shape? I would like the idea of a wrist device acting as a 'utility belt' in that it would shoot tracking devices and other gadgets.

[Dangerous]

WEBSHOOTERS OF COURSE!

Not only are they cool, but they represent a KEY part of PP/SM's character- him being a scientific whiz.

Anyway, I'd say it's pretty much a given it will be webshooters this time because they will want to do everything they can to distinguish this film from the last series.

[Mach2Infinity]

WEBSHOOTERS OF COURSE!

Not only are they cool, but they represent a KEY part of PP/SM's character- him being a scientific whiz.

Doesn't it seem a bit limiting if Peter Parker's ingenuity can only be summed up by his creation of artificial webbing?

Anyway, I'd say it's pretty much a given it will be webshooters this time because they will want to do everything they can to distinguish this film from the last series.Unless they're creative and adopt a hybrid system. Where the 'web-shooters' do not secrete web but manipulate it. In addition to carrying items such as tracking devices. The mentality of 'web-shooters will distinguish the next Spider-Man' leave me cold since there's far more to a character than whether he wears a gadget on his wrist or not. It seems facile and too obvious to go the other way. I simply think organic webbing works better for the screen since the story is not burdened by detailing how Peter Parker devises the web-formula and creates a device to use it. What may work is if Peter Parker developes a stronger artificial web (as I said before) to counter certain threats/for certain situations where natural webbing would not suffice. However that does betray the idea that a spider web has an extremely strong tensile strength.

There's another facet to this argument. From what I've read, none of the detractors of the Sam Raimi films criticised him for depicting a Spider-Man with natural web-shooters. All of the criticism against him which I have read revolves around characterisation and plot. Therefore, if the organic web concept was more than acceptable for many/most; is there a need to change it?

If one is concerned with 'showcasing' Peter Parker's intellect then perhaps we should be more creative than simply discussing artificial web-shooters? To me artificial webbing concerns mere 'window dressing' and should not preoccupy our minds when far more important elements (which detracted from the previous films) should be prioritised.

Right you are. Let's not stop with the few abilities like wallcrawling, super strength and agility. Let's give him all of the Spider's traits. I'm looking forward to the new Movie already.

This one slipped my attention. I in fact said abilities. Although if he's inherited a spider's abilities then we cannot possibly entertain the idea that he may shoot web naturally rather than synthetically. In particular when it worked perfectly fine in the other films.

[Dangerous]

Doesn't it seem a bit limiting if Peter Parker's ingenuity can only be summed up by his creation of artificial webbing?

Where -Exactly- did I say the artificial webbing was the only thing could sum up Peter's ingenuity?

I didn't, I said they -represent- a key facet/element of his character. ;)


Unless they're creative and adopt a hybrid system. Where the 'web-shooters' do not secrete web but manipulate it. In addition to carrying items such as tracking devices. The mentality of 'web-shooters will distinguish the next Spider-Man' leave me cold since there's far more to a character than whether he wears a gadget on his wrist or not. It seems facile and too obvious to go the other way. I simply think organic webbing works better for the screen since the story is not burdened by detailing how Peter Parker devises the web-formula and creates a device to use it. What may work is if Peter Parker developes a stronger artificial web (as I said before) to counter certain threats/for certain situations where natural webbing would not suffice. However that does betray the idea that a spider web has an extremely strong tensile strength.

There's another facet to this argument. From what I've read, none of the detractors of the Sam Raimi films criticised him for depicting a Spider-Man with natural web-shooters. All of the criticism against him which I have read revolves around characterisation and plot. Therefore, if the organic web concept was more than acceptable for many/most; is there a need to change it?

If one is concerned with 'showcasing' Peter Parker's intellect then perhaps we should be more creative than simply discussing artificial web-shooters?

1)-Yes there is a need to change it simply because this is a reboot and therefore the studio is going to want to do everything they can to make Joe Public understand this is not a squeal to SM3 (consider that some mainstream press thought TDK was the 6th entry in the batman film series and where puzzled over why Joker was alive again, morons.. I know), one of the ways to do this is make it as different as possible to SM1-3.

Plus the webshooters are a crucial part of Spider-Man's original design, it's how he has appeared for the majority of his comicbook career and it will please the hardcore fans. As for your concern over burdening the story with how PP creates them- it's not like they would have to go into detail over the mechanics of their creation. They certainly didn't with the the red and blues in SM1!

2)-The choice to use webshooters will not be concerned with 'showcasing Peter's intellect' but for the no brainer reasons I have stated above. In the context of Peter's intellect- the webshooters are just a nice visual metaphor for his scientific expertise which imo was mostly absent from the Raimi films. You might not like it, but logic and fan opinions out weigh your preference.

[The Lizard]

http://i49.tinypic.com/juu9te.jpg

Sorry ... it had to be done.

[Daybreak_st]

What if he were to use the device not to secrete web but to 'shape' it? For instance if he wanted to shoot web 'balls' or any other shape? I would like the idea of a wrist device acting as a 'utility belt' in that it would shoot tracking devices and other gadgets.


I really like your idea, seems like a good balance bw the two options. I just would really like to see some of his ingenuity like creating spider-tracers, impact webbing and even stingers would be nice to see.

[Mach2Infinity]

Where -Exactly- did I say the artificial webbing was the only thing could sum up Peter's ingenuity?

I didn't, I said they -represent- a key facet/element of his character. ;)

Hang on. I merely inferred given your language that it is the only thing of note in with which Peter Parker could convey his intellectual prowess. By virtue that you did not illustrate another way in which Peter Parker can do so. It's not so much what you said as what you omitted to say.

1)-Yes there is a need to change it simply because this is a reboot and therefore the studio is going to want to do everything they can to make Joe Public understand this is not a squeal to SM3 (consider that some mainstream press thought TDK was the 6th entry in the batman film series and where puzzled over why Joker was alive again, morons.. I know), one of the ways to do this is make it as different as possible to SM1-3.

Yes but will the "Joe Public" cinemagoer pay attention to such detail as whether Spider-Man has synthetic webbing or not? There are more effective ways of making a character more noticeable than merely shooting web out of a device. Especially since the trailers will show a Spider-Man shooting web out of his costume as it were. Unless they show a teasing shot of a contraption on his wrist which could be misleading given its possible use as a 'utility' device. What will define the next incarnation of Spider-Man more emphatically is the characterisation (especially support characters), the villains and the overall plot.

Plus the webshooters are a crucial part of Spider-Man's original design, it's how he has appeared for the majority of his comicbook career and it will please the hardcore fans. As for your concern over burdening the story with how PP creates them- it's not like they would have to go into detail over the mechanics of their creation. They certainly didn't with the the red and blues in SM1!

The films do not need to re-create such detail as artificial web-shooters in order to please hardcore fans. The major criticism of the previous films (to which the studio should pay attention) is how the villains were portrayed (especially in the cluttered third film), the lack of Spider-Man's humourous persona and how Mary Jane-Watson was rather insipid. These are the sort of pressing concerns in which to address. Not whether he dedicated some of his time to creating web-formula. Furthermore if Sony have announced/intend to depict a more 'gritty' and 'dark' interpretation of Spider-Man (whatever that truly entails) then they may decide to focus more on how Peter Parker creates his alter ego; Spider-Man. In such instance where an explanation of how he creates his suit (I thought it needed more elaboration beyond a few sketches but it's fait accompli) would suffice and the inclusion of artificial webbing may be unecessary. Unless it somehow pertains to an important plot detail/development.

2)-The choice to use webshooters will not be concerned with 'showcasing Peter's intellect' but for the no brainer reasons I have stated above. In the context of Peter's intellect- the webshooters are just a nice visual metaphor for his scientific expertise which imo was mostly absent from the Raimi films. You might not like it, but logic and fan opinions out weigh your preference.

From what I deduce, many people stated that the prime reasoning behind the inclusion of artificial web-shooters was to highlight and convey Peter Parker's intellect. Where as I believe this can be done through other means. There is a possibility the organic webbing can lead to Peter Parker having an epiphony in suit design and creating a synthetic fabric based on the properties of his web to be part of his Spider-Man costume.

The "no brainer" reasons to which you referred are inconsequential. I cannot imagine anyone requiring such detail as artificial webbing to understand that this new Spider-Man series is a fresh continuity. If the organic webbing worked previously then there is no need to change it. Lastly logic does not apply here if you're willing to suspend disbelief for Spider-Man and you cannot know the full body of opinions of other fans. Less hyperbole and more reason.

[©KAW]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/Spider-man_webshooters.jpg
Yeah, these would be better. :woot:
CLASSIC MECHANICAL WEB-SHOOTERS...Oh Hell Yes!

A must for the reboot.

[Jick09]

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/562/spidermanmanspider.jpg (http://img40.imageshack.us/i/spidermanmanspider.jpg/)
It does look like a Spectacular SM version of Man-Spider.
This one has organic webbing, from what I remember.

[Young Superman]

Organic Web-shooters

[Dangerous]

Yes but will the "Joe Public" cinemagoer pay attention to such detail as whether Spider-Man has synthetic webbing or not? There are more effective ways of making a character more noticeable than …blab blah

Like I said, they will want to do –EVERYTHING- they can to distinguish this new film from the Noughties series. That will include changing smaller but significant stuff such as scraping the organics and pleasing the fans and going with webshooters.
It’s easy to understand. ;)


The films do not need to re-create such detail as artificial web-shooters in order to please hardcore fans.

I’m a hardcore fan and it would certainly please me and be one improvement over the Noughties films, to go along with the other stuff that needs to be corrected from the Noughties films.


The major criticism of the previous films (to which the studio should pay attention) is how the villains were portrayed (especially in the cluttered third film), the lack of Spider-Man's humourous persona and how Mary Jane-Watson was rather insipid. These are the sort of pressing concerns in which to address. Not whether he dedicated some of his time to creating web-formula.

That’s your version.

This thread is about the webshooters.
If you want to talk about that other stuff there are plenty of threads.
THIS ONE is about the issue of mechs vs organics.

Me, and PLENTY of other Spider-fans (see poll results ;) ) would prefer web shooters in the new film, along with all that other stuff that needs correcting being fixed. To me the webshooters are just as important as making Spidey a wise ass, or getting MJ’s character right this time because the mechs are a subtle yet crucial part of who Spider-Man is.

Like I have previously explained,- it is a cool visual metaphor for his scientific prowess AND think of all the classic fights & scary moments he has had in the comics because of either running out of webbing or something happening to his webshooters that screwed them up. Wait; don’t tell me, you don’t read the comics? Heheh,


The "no brainer" reasons to which you referred are inconsequential.

Inconsequential in your estimation, the popular fan consensus and poll results appear to say something different tho.


I cannot imagine anyone requiring such detail as artificial webbing to understand that this new Spider-Man series is a fresh continuity.

No one specifically requires it, but it is highly likely that webshooters is the way they will go this time because-

1)-It is more faithful to the original comics
2)-It will be another thing that will differentiate this film from the SM1-3
3)-It will please the hardcore fans, and restores that vulnerability in his abilities & the metaphor for PP’s scientific skills.


If the organic webbing worked previously then there is no need to change it.

See above. ;)


Lastly logic does not apply here if you're willing to suspend disbelief for Spider-Man and you cannot know the full body of opinions of other fans.

It is more logical to stick to the comics rather than alter details that do nothing to improve the character, but instead take away a kick ass dynamic to Spidey’s abilities- his webs not being everlasting & also remove the cool visual metaphor/reminder of his advanced scientific abilities.

While I don’t know what every Spidey fan in the world thinks about this issue, going by discussions in comicbook stores across the UK, and opinions on the internet including this thread/poll, the majority want to see webshooters this time, and I'd bet my hat it's going to go down that way.

Deal with it.

[spider-neil]

with web shooters you kill two birds with one stone

a) peter is super intelligent.
peter's intelligence is like batman's detective skill, its been 'hinted' at but they really don't embrace it. in the movies you get the CLEAR distinction that tony start is super smart but peter is in that class and you'd never guess it. if I knew nothing about PP I'd figure he is an above studant not a genius. mechs would show that

b) you make a clear distinction from the old spider-man
the movie has to keep hammering it home this isn't the old spider-man and any way they show that is a good thing. there are also story potential, mech clog up, pete uses all the cartriges in one go to cause an explosion, a villian crushes them mid battle

mechs aren't a deal breaker for me but given the choice I'd rather have them than not

[Mach2Infinity]

Like I said, they will want to do –EVERYTHING- they can to distinguish this new film from the Noughties series. That will include changing smaller but significant stuff such as scraping the organics and pleasing the fans and going with webshooters.
It’s easy to understand. ;)

If they adopt such a mentality then they will undoubtedly miss out on the important elements that marred the previous films. Which for argument's sake I will delineate: a lacklustre Mary-Jane Watson, a whinging Aunt May, a humourless Spider-Man (the jokes were bad), a visually disappointing Green Goblin, killing off supervillains, making the villains too closely tied to Peter Parker and sympathetic. Let's not forget the crammed affair that was the third film. Of course it's easy to understand but doesn't mean we should accept it.

I’m a hardcore fan and it would certainly please me and be one improvement over the Noughties films, to go along with the other stuff that needs to be corrected from the Noughties films."That’s your version."

This thread is about the webshooters.
If you want to talk about that other stuff there are plenty of threads.
THIS ONE is about the issue of mechs vs organics.I know full well the point of this thread. I can certainly question the validity of a thread solely dedicated to the "organics or web shooters" (sic) question. Especially when such a question would be more appropriate in a broader thread about what we would like retain/change about the character. The points I made weren't superfluous and were relative to the ones I raised.

Me, and PLENTY of other Spider-fans (see poll results ;) ) would prefer web shooters in the new film, along with all that other stuff that needs correcting being fixed. To me the webshooters are just as important as making Spidey a wise ass, or getting MJ’s character right this time because the mechs are a subtle yet crucial part of who Spider-Man is.I and I'm sure plenty of others would disagree. Quoting a statistic from this forum and it relying on it for your argument is rather flimsy. This forum (whilst full of dedicated fans I'm sure) cannot be used as an accurate gauge to determine whether the artificial web-shooters would be popular with all fans (since they represent a rather small but vocal number), which you seem to suggest. As I have detailed earlier, which shows my sincerity in discussing the topic despite some reservations. There is a compromise. Spider-Man can still develope a device which attaches to the wrist and can be used to make different shapes and sizes from the web which is excreted organically. Furthermore, he can use it to carry certain gadgets, web tracers or electronic 'bugs' for example. Moreover, to augment his abilities in such a way would speak more highly of his intellectual prowess. I would rather the films try something the other films and comics have not tried. Since evolving a character is healthy and I certainly think a hybrid system would be more memorable. Perhaps it may defy expectation.

Inconsequential in your estimation, the popular fan consensus and poll results appear to say something different tho.Well here they do but they're a minute sample of a much, much broader base of opinion. Furthermore polls can change and if they were to 'swing' (pun intended) the other way. I would like to see your reaction.


No one specifically requires it, but it is highly likely that webshooters is the way they will go this time because-

1)-It is more faithful to the original comics
2)-It will be another thing that will differentiate this film from the SM1-3
3)-It will please the hardcore fans, and restores that vulnerability & metaphor for PP’s scientific skills.Well it's a minor detail in the grand scheme of things. I'm sure many weren't keen on the idea of organic web-shooters but it didn't seem to bother many once the films were released. Changing details which are really for aesthetic value does not quantify as a meaningful and necessary change. I'm sure it'll please some hardcore fans at least. Peter Parker can still have 'limited webbing' by having organic web-shooters. One can imagine with his new found abilities, his metabolism will quicken and such traits as web-production can drain his body of certain nutrients. There's vulnerability right there.

It is more logical to stick to the comics rather than alter details that do nothing to improve the character, but instead take away a kick ass dynamic to Spidey’s abilities- his webs not being everlasting & also remove the cool visual metaphor/reminder of his advanced scientific abilitiesIn fact it would more efficient and logical to retain things that worked for the character. If they do not need changing or amending then there is little point in doing so. Other than simple window dressing, which is a rather vacuous and hollow pursuit. Simply to appear to be different. He can still invent this wrist device, he can also still only have finite supply of webbing. It merely can be illustrated differently yet without harming the character as a whole.

I will ask you. Once you're sitting in the cinema, watching the film and Spider-Man on-screen of course. After seeing him shooting web and if they are organic. Are you really going to spend the rest of the film upset because he's excreting web from his body? No, you'll be more concerned with how the plot is unfolding. Whether the characters and villains have been written properly and whether the right man was cast as Peter Parker.

While I don’t know what every Spidey fan in the world thinks about this issue, going by discussions in comicbook stores across the UK, and opinions on the internet including this thread/poll, the majority want to see webshooters this time.Still they are only a small number of the total fanbase. So how many comic book stores across the UK have you visited? It's facile and obtuse to say "well opinions on the internet, this poll etc say this and that." They will only give you a sample. They may give you the correct sample but you cannot know simply from assuming that you're correctly judging by the limited sources of information from which you've based your opinion. I suppose next you'll be telling me you've been visiting comic book stores in the USA?

Deal with it.I think you're the one who isn't quite..."dealing with it." Grow up, son.

[Crook]

Hold on. You stated (to infer is to deduce/conclude not imply) where other interpretations of the character have employed artificial webshooters; the film ought not to deviate from this tradition.
No, it means there's simply less reason to try and change it for the sake of alteration. I would consider this to be a case of "don't fix what isn't broken".

Which gives me the impression that if one is to be bothered about minutiae such as organic/artificial webbing then we may as well translate every single minute detail to the screen. What can I say, you have the completely wrong impression.


Will it really affect your experience of viewing the film if he shoots web naturally? This is the ultimate question.To answer your question: no. And you know what? If I flipped the same question towards pro-organic fans, they'd likely answer the same. This thread asks us what we prefer, not what we are likely to accept/dismiss. Hence people here explaining why they prefer organics or mechanical.

Furthermore I did not state nor imply that the argument for artificial web shooters was purposesly there to oppose a previous interpretation.What is this?
I would much prefer if they use organic web shooters. To change it to artificial web shooters would simply be to purposely be different from the other films and is no more than superficial.
Am I reading it in the improper context?

I know full well that Spider-Man has employed self-made web shooters since the very inception of his character. You're the one missing the point. The point is a studio may think in myopic terms as: "well the last films had Spidey shoot web naturally. Let's make him different and shoot it from a 'device'!" The implication is studios believe that such simple changes in detail translate to wholesale changes in a character. When it is no more than a superficial change. I'm far more concerned with how Spider-Man will be characterised (the inclusion of more humour or 'quips' etc) than if he shoots web naturally or not. The vast majority of cinemagoers will accept it I imagine. Which they seemed to do last time.I believe you are already in a specific discussion in how the webshooters directly associate with the character in far more than superficial terms, so I'll leave it to you with the other poster.

As for "oh, they'll accept it"....WEAK argument. Please let that be the last we hear of it. I could have used the same damn tactic to better use, considering webshooters have a 50+ year precedence with no notable backlash from fans or the general public. General audiences don't have their hearts in the material, so I wouldn't expect them to care about particulars. Truth is they are likely to accept the changes just as much as the faithful properties. The bottom-line for them is entertainment.

The irony is you'll happily accept a man who has the characteristics of a spider conferred upon him by a spider bite yet you find it very difficult that he would also be able to secrete web as a spider does. When I mentioned mutation I meant that he wouldn't sprout six legs and six eyes. Would the audience require a portion of the screen time devoted to detailing how a man's anatomy has adopted web secretion? If yes then we may as well indulge half the film explaining how a man has spider characteristics. By virtue of what Spider-Man does he defies human physiology.

We're talking about a fictional character who has no basis in reality and all I've expressed is a preference or predilection for this same character to secrete web biologically. It is the manner in which you reply to my posts which does not involve much sense.

My entire point was that if an audience can suspend disbelief that a man who has acquired the capacity to do things a spider can, they will not need to question how such a man can create web naturally. To me, it follows on logically from Peter Parker gaining these 'powers'. You don't need to reiterate to me the ability for the audience to suspend their disbelief in organics. We have all witnessed it for the better part of the decade in 3 blockbuster films.

I take concern with people clinging onto the "it's fake, stop being so anal" position, and concurrently using "it only makes sense" as part of their arguments. That to me is contradictory. You either acknowledge the silliness of it and hope people will be able to watch the film without interference, or you stick with your guns that it really does make sense and explain why. Without conveniently picking and choosing what works for you. I'll avoid resorting to scientific jargon, but feel free to look at my previous posts if you want to see my opinion on both.

If you like organics, that's all well and good. I will never fault anyone for having a preference. But my lack of participation stops there when faulty proclamations are made.

The thing in which I'd be interested is if Peter Parker finds a break-through in material design by studying the web he naturally secretes. Perhaps being able to create artificial webbing. What may satisfy both camps is that during the first film. Peter Parker's anatomy has not mutated fully to allow himself to create web. So he has to do it in a laboratory.

I found this excerpt on Wikipedia:

The discovery of silk-producing organs on the feet of the zebra tarantula (Aphonopelma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphonopelma) seemanni) has led to questions about the origins of spinnerets. It has been hypothesised that spinnerets were originally used as climbing aids on the feet and evolved for webmaking at a later time

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinneret_%28spider%29 (link)

Whether it is based in fact? I don't know but it's interesting nonetheless.Ignoring the physiological aspect for a moment, my biggest issue is where the webs come from. Wrists are faithful to the source, but making it organic also makes absolutely NO sense to me in any way. If they were to adapt the 'spinnerets originating from the feet' idea, then I would be a lot more receptive to the melding of both concepts. But as it stands, I can suspend my disbelief a lot more in webshooters than in organics (refer to my previous posts). It being in the comics is merely a perk.

[DieSmiling]

Organic. I've always thought the idea of web shooters was ludicrous.

[Octoberist]

Organic Shooters all the way.

[Mach2Infinity]

No, it means there's simply less reason to try and change it for the sake of alteration. I would consider this to be a case of "don't fix what isn't broken".

Priceless, you've re-iterated my point. If the organic web-excretion concept worked in the previous film. There's no need to change it for the next film.

What can I say, you have the completely wrong impression.No I don't.

To answer your question: no. And you know what? If I flipped the same question towards pro-organic fans, they'd likely answer the same. This thread asks us what we prefer, not what we are likely to accept/dismiss. Hence people here explaining why they prefer organics or mechanical.Then there's very little point going to the trouble of explaning things to the length which you have done. The thread specifically doesn't ask anything beyond "organics or web-shooters" (sic) and to me I would say people's predilection for them go beyond mere preference if the thread has persisted thus far.


I believe you are already in a specific discussion in how the webshooters directly associate with the character in far more than superficial terms, so I'll leave it to you with the other poster.It's not a private discussion. If it were so I would have taken it to private messaging. That particular discussion expounds on what I discussed with you so it is relevant. Thematically and artistically, the concept of a hybrid system which I discussed seems the way forward and I think would settle individuals of both camps.

As for "oh, they'll accept it"....WEAK argument. Please let that be the last we hear of it. I could have used the same damn tactic to better use, considering webshooters have a 50+ year precedence with no notable backlash from fans or the general public. General audiences don't have their hearts in the material, so I wouldn't expect them to care about particulars. Truth is they are likely to accept the changes just as much as the faithful properties. The bottom-line for them is entertainment.It's not weak given it seems to be de facto ever since the release of the trilogy. If it were such an important issue that people were irate about then we would have seen such threads long before now. I don't think you could have put anything to better use even if you had a handbook. So let's peddle away from that one. The fact is the previous films made a change to the character (which in the rung of priorities is not that important) and it did not detract from the films. So it is safe to say they won't find it difficult. Since you have already said that if you asked anyone here, it wouldn't affect their overall enjoyment of the film. It's rather pointless mentioning the 48-year precedence since fans and cinemagoers eased into the organic concept without any lasting backlash or furore. The 'bottom line' for anyone is entertainment surely.

I take concern with people clinging onto the "it's fake, stop being so anal" position, and concurrently using "it only makes sense" as part of their arguments. That to me is contradictory. You either acknowledge the silliness of it and hope people will be able to watch the film without interference, or you stick with your guns that it really does make sense and explain why. Without conveniently picking and choosing what works for you. I'll avoid resorting to scientific jargon, but feel free to look at my previous posts if you want to see my opinion on both.I accept fully the Spider-Man character. Which is why I'm willing to suspend disbelief that a man bitten by an preternatural spider is given the spider's aiblities; especially web-production. If I had trouble with the concept I wouldn't bother to watch Spider-Man at all.

Am I reading it in the improper context?If you like organics, that's all well and good. I will never fault anyone for having a preference. But my lack of participation stops there when faulty proclamations are made.That's strange. All I said that I felt the move to change from organic to synthetic web-shooters was a stylistic choice rather than a practical one. Since it did not detract from the other films. Moreover, I did not say it was to 'oppose' or to be contrarian but to be different. You implied a certain adversarial element to a fairly innocuous statement which I did not attribute.

Ignoring the physiological aspect for a moment, my biggest issue is where the webs come from. Wrists are faithful to the source, but making it organic also makes absolutely NO sense to me in any way. If they were to adapt the 'spinnerets originating from the feet' idea, then I would be a lot more receptive to the melding of both concepts. But as it stands, I can suspend my disbelief a lot more in webshooters than in organics (refer to my previous posts). It being in the comics is merely a perk.However in this case you cannot accept the "silliness" of having organic web-producing glands or spinnerets. To answer your question, if you can accept a man will inherit abilities from an insect bite then it's perplexing why you have trouble accepting one ability. If you feel that the film needs to somehow justify or eluciadate how it would be so (considering the changes in physiology necessary) then by that logic. You would need to explain how a teenager can crawl walls, possess superhuman strength and have precognition. Don't pick and choose now.

To put this one to rest. For me a hybrid web-shooter will be perfect. The fusion of biology and technology is the perfect illustration of human ingenuity. To improve on nature and augment one's own abilities keeps in character to what the comics showed about Peter Parker's intellect whilst also trying something new to please those who want a different 'spin' on the web question.

[Octoberist]

long live organic webshooters

[Crook]

Priceless, you've re-iterated my point. If the organic web-excretion concept worked in the previous film. There's no need to change it for the next film.
I guess me referencing web shooters taking precedent has been lost on you. Praytell, what was the situation with webshooters pre-Raimi? Was it deemed a broken concept?


No I don't.If you're going to insist on telling me what I would or should want, we can stop right here. I don't know why it's so hard to view these details on a case-by-case basis.

Then there's very little point going to the trouble of explaning things to the length which you have done. The thread specifically doesn't ask anything beyond "organics or web-shooters" (sic) and to me I would say people's predilection for them go beyond mere preference if the thread has persisted thus far.The strong inclinations for either are still deeply rooted in preference. But fans tend to have the urge to talk down the opposing side to support their own. Just look at how few people here have actually acknowledged the absurd elements of both options.

It's not a private discussion. If it were so I would have taken it to private messaging. That particular discussion expounds on what I discussed with you so it is relevant. Thematically and artistically, the concept of a hybrid system which I discussed seems the way forward and I think would settle individuals of both camps.I commented on your hybrid system. I avoided that other discussion because (for the most part) all the points I would have made were already given. Forgive me for not wanting to retread on the same points you've already discussed with someone else. That would be a waste of both our time.

It's not weak given it seems to be de facto ever since the release of the trilogy. If it were such an important issue that people were irate about then we would have seen such threads long before now. I'm certainly glad you've made my point for me. You clearly were not around message boards at the time of Raimi's first go-round at the character.

Since you have already said that if you asked anyone here, it wouldn't affect their overall enjoyment of the film. It's rather pointless mentioning the 48-year precedence since fans and cinemagoers eased into the organic concept without any lasting backlash or furore. The 'bottom line' for anyone is entertainment surely.I've only mentioned the precedence because you initially brought up the trilogy as defending their presence. This is all well and good, except I never proclaimed the audience would not like it. You seem to have agreed that both work, so you have reached a stalemate. Can you understand why I've been so dismissive of that "point" in the first place?

That's strange. All I said that I felt the move to change from organic to synthetic web-shooters was a stylistic choice rather than a practical one. Since it did not detract from the other films. Moreover, I did not say it was to 'oppose' or to be contrarian but to be different. You implied a certain adversarial element to a fairly innocuous statement which I did not attribute.Please stop playing with semantics. When you write "purposefully different", of course I'm going to read that as adversarial to the concept. You're not insinuating an innate nature of being dissimilar, but the volition of contradistinction.

However in this case you cannot accept the "silliness" of having organic web-producing glands or spinnerets. To answer your question, if you can accept a man will inherit abilities from an insect bite then it's perplexing why you have trouble accepting one ability. Because the abilities Peter did acquire in the comics are all relatively explained with a degree of plausibility (as far as one can get when dealing with fantasy, anyway). I've gone out of my way to state my opposition towards organics, and you keep responding with "well Peter has those other powers, why not this?". As I've said previously, if you don't actually have an explanation for your preference in organics, it's fine. I really don't care so as long people realize the design falters upon close inspection. Otherwise, I'm still waiting.

If you feel that the film needs to somehow justify or eluciadate how it would be so (considering the changes in physiology necessary) then by that logic. You would need to explain how a teenager can crawl walls, possess superhuman strength and have precognition. Don't pick and choose now.Don't be so quick to assume. If you had paid attention to the Raimi films you've constantly referenced, or the comics, his powers have been thoroughly "explained".

Wall-crawling via hair-like fibers growing all over his body, superhuman strength via proportionate strength of a spider, and the spider-sense myth is based on an arachnid's fast reflexes to environmental vibrations. Even Stan had the strength of mind to exclude organic spider-webs, because he couldn't think of a plausible explanation for their existence on Peter's wrists. Hell, Raimi didn't even bother with it.

[Agent 194]

I remember the old days of this site, back when it was 'Spider-Man hype' and I always thought the "it's just not believable to have web shooters" argument was ridiculous. Is most of what we talk about and celebrate on here believable?

I say mechanical. If you're starting new start new. I think they're cool.

[san15]

It doesn't matter what kind of web he uses, because it'll still be in CG anyways. Also it won't make or break the movie IMO.

[mothy]

i'm an organic webbing fan, but i voted for web shooters. purely just to differentiate from raimi's trilogy.

[Octoberist]

it's one of those things that, it might be neat to see web shooters, but in the end, it's kinda trivial. Yeah, you can have a plot point where he 'runs out of ammo' but you..it's pretty much a one time deal.

[Dragon]

it's one of those things that, it might be neat to see web shooters, but in the end, it's kinda trivial. Yeah, you can have a plot point where he 'runs out of ammo' but you..it's pretty much a one time deal.

Running out of ammo isn't the point. Peter bringing something to the table is. He's not just some dumbass who got bitten by a spider. He doesn't just have super powers. There have been many- MANY times in his history where his powers alone couldn't save him. But his intellect, his genius has. That's the point of the webshoters.

[The Slang]

I can see why they went with organics

a) if you got your powers from a spider it would make sense you'd get ALL its powers

So Parker should have poisonous saliva and the ability to throw his hair at people to cause them irritation? You did say ALL its powers.

I'm shocked and appalled at the number of people who support organic webshooters... Stan Lee would vomit in horror. I thought mechanical would be the favourite by a land slide, instead I find that its barely the majority. Spider-man is sci-fi. Parker is a genius. In the marvel universe there were plenty of technologies that were less advanced or even non-existant in the real world (hence sci-fi). I'm sure SHIELD already had some advanced adhesive weapons. Parker just revolutionized the technology. Is it so hard to believe that a genius can invent something that doesn't yet exist? Tesla anyone? oh I'm sorry... Edison?

You actually in some way find it more believable for him to have webs explode from his completely human looking forearms? That's just the writers way of simplifying the story (their job) for the audience (young children).

[spider-neil]

So Parker should have poisonous saliva and the ability to throw his hair at people to cause them irritation? You did say ALL its powers.

I'm shocked and appalled at the number of people who support organic webshooters... Stan Lee would vomit in horror. I thought mechanical would be the favourite by a land slide, instead I find that its barely the majority. Spider-man is sci-fi. Parker is a genius. In the marvel universe there were plenty of technologies that were less advanced or even non-existant in the real world (hence sci-fi). I'm sure SHIELD already had some advanced adhesive weapons. Parker just revolutionized the technology. Is it so hard to believe that a genius can invent something that doesn't yet exist? Tesla anyone? oh I'm sorry... Edison?

You actually in some way find it more believable for him to have webs explode from his completely human looking forearms? That's just the writers way of simplifying the story (their job) for the audience (young children).


truth is either way I'm happy but I would really enjoy a montage of him

* making webshooters
* making a spider tracer
* making a spider signal/light/beam/torch (whatever the heck it is called)

sam missed a trick by not showing pete's genius. in fact the only reall time when I thought 'hey, this kid is super intelligent' is when pete and doc ock were talking about the fusion reactor the night before the accident

[Artistsean]

Also by having Webshooters, a spider-belt with web cartriges and a Spider signal, and spider trackers, they missed out.
Imagine if they were featured in the movie, then the studio could make toys and replicas of all of them.

Kids could play with the Spider Signal Flash light, or the Spider-belt with the light built into it, or something like that.

Plus it would be cool to see on screen.


But I am happy with or without those things, organic or not.
But even if they go organic, they could still use the Spider-belt, light, and trackers.

Thats where he stores his camera.

[spider-neil]

Also by having Webshooters, a spider-belt with web cartriges and a Spider signal, and spider trackers, they missed out.
Imagine if they were featured in the movie, then the studio could make toys and replicas of all of them.



that is an extremely good point

[The Slang]

Aw man, the utility belt and the tracers would be excellent. I thought it really gave spidey a sense of authority when he'd project his signal down onto some unexpecting thugs. Sort of a 'BUSTED!' moment.
And when he'd track people using his tracers, sometimes they'd mistakingly believe him to have some supernatural skill. (I mean aside from the ones he does have)

[spider-neil]

Aw man, the utility belt and the tracers would be excellent. I thought it really gave spidey a sense of authority when he'd project his signal down onto some unexpecting thugs. Sort of a 'BUSTED!' moment.
And when he'd track people using his tracers, sometimes they'd mistakingly believe him to have some supernatural skill. (I mean aside from the ones he does have)

remember the scene in SM1 where spidey taken down the guys who are robbing the armoured car so he can get photos, how cool would it have been if he shone his spider signal on them first?

and even better a super villian hands spidey his arse and as the villian is taking off spidey pops a tracer on him, 'see you soon rhino...' before slipping into consciousness

[The Slang]

Thats the kinda slick spidey action I'd pay to see.

[spider-neil]

Thats the kinda slick spidey action I'd pay to see.


you'd pay to see spidey if they used glove puppets :cwink:

[Golgo-13]

I can't believe how close the polls are. Back in 2001, ppl wanted to rip Raimi a new one for giving Spidey organics, and now alot seem to embrace them. I think it's solely do to the fact that ppl are 'used to' seeing the organics now, moreso than them preferring them....

[The Slang]

you'd pay to see spidey if they used glove puppets :cwink:

ShhHHhhHh! You wanna give Sony ideas?

By the way, I think that armoured van robbery in SM1 was the best part of all 3 movies. Unfortunately...