Reboot Origin of Powers

[thorstone]

I didn't include the genetically engineered spider in the poll because the point of rebooting is to do things differently.

The fourth option supposes that Peter Parker is a technopath and/or a mutant who can build practically anything they can imagine (see Forge, Xmen), whether a suit that sticks to walls like a chameleon's feet, webshooters, or goggles with eight camera lenses allowing him to see behind himself (spider sense). However-- if Spider-man's powers are in his technology; he has no super strength. For this reason, you may select more than one option.

[thorstone]

I only included the radioactive spider as a joke. I really doubt they are going to take the film back to the 60s.

[Mach2Infinity]

I voted for the radioactive spider because I like the idea that he gains his powers from a spider. Very fantastical. Perhaps a Spider bathed in gamma radiation? A genetically engineered spider has already been done and whilst I wouldn't mind it. I like the irradiated spider origin. You said it belongs with the 1960's aesthetic which why it should be included. For it to feel out of place but still translate well.

[thorstone]

I think they will go with the most realistic way-- and I can suspend my imagination that he gets all of his powers from a spider that has been exposed to the super soldier experiments at OsCorp, during the creation of a villain like The Vulture.

I don't expect to see the Green Goblin in the first film-- and maybe only as a member of the Sinister Six in the second film.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

radioactive spider

but seriously, i hope we don't get another linear origin story. we got that already with Spidey 1

i'd much rather in this new series they start off with him already as Spiderman, maybe in his first couple of days/weeks, with only flashbacks to how he became Spiderman

[El Payaso]

He is the son of the King of Planet Spyder that was about to be conquered of course.

Seriously guys, Peter Parker is bitten by a radioactive spider. Radioactive, not genetically aletered btw.

[BillyZaned]

Do it like Daredevil... have him be Spiderman at teh beginning, then just do flashbacks to how he become spiderman...

[Deaths Head II]

Daredevil-style early movie flashbacks or Incredible Hulk-style origin intro credits.

[Heretic]

I dont care how he gets his powers, or what they are...I just want them to give a very quick recap of what happened and get straight to the story.

[KenK]

radioactive spider

but seriously, i hope we don't get another linear origin story. we got that already with Spidey 1

i'd much rather in this new series they start off with him already as Spiderman, maybe in his first couple of days/weeks, with only flashbacks to how he became Spiderman

I don't even want flashbacks. Spider-Man's origin is one of the simplest and straightforward origins of any comic book character in history, and has been touched upon in every non-comic media that's featured the character. Every animated series, the movie, I think even the 70s show even had it in the opening. I don't think anyone will be lost at all if the new movie starts with him already being Spider-Man, and not relying on flashbacks.

[Jick09]

Do it like Daredevil... have him be Spiderman at teh beginning, then just do flashbacks to how he become spiderman...

Daredevil-style early movie flashbacks or Incredible Hulk-style origin intro credits.

I dont care how he gets his powers, or what they are...I just want them to give a very quick recap of what happened and get straight to the story.
A mix of these 3.

[DACMAN]

Radioactive Spider!!!!!!!!!!



The radioactive spider origin is so popular and such a big part of the characters mythos that I even have offical Spider-Man movie merchandise that still says "after having been bite by a radioactive spider." I was talking to some friends who aren't as big of fans as myself, who SWORE that the spider in the first movie was radioactive. Even though they saw the movie once, or twice, they were still sure it was radioactive because it is such a big part of the mythos.

So radioactive spider all the way. Do this one right or don't do it at all.

[SpeterMan3]

Peter Parker heats up some wheatcakes in his family's rusted down old microwave. As Peter goes to the bathroom to wash his hands, a spider from the corner of the old house crawls into the cakes. Peter comes back, microwaves the cakes, eats the spider- boom, bamm, he's the Spider-Man.

[Venom 1988]

A radioactive genetically altered spider :awesome:

[DACMAN]

What's funny about this thread is most of the people here are making jokes about it because it really isn't up for debate. Radioactive spider really is the only choice.

[Mach2Infinity]

A radioactive genetically altered spider :awesome:

Damn it, you beat me to it!

I concur.

[LightningFlash]

A mix of these 3.

Exactly.

Pull a Spectacular Spider-Man, and have the film start with Spider-Man swinging, then going back to how Peter became Spidey.

And no coincidence of Peter and the villain turning into their alter-egos on the same day/night. Have Peter get bitten. And then when he's ALREADY the hero, then bring in the villain.

[[A]]

I want Spidey to have the power to keep his freaking mask on during the entire movie.

[Venom75]

Do it like Daredevil... have him be Spiderman at teh beginning, then just do flashbacks to how he become spiderman...

Agreed.

[DACMAN]

;17949592']I want Spidey to have the power to keep his freaking mask on during the entire movie.

:D

And the ability not to cry every three seconds.

[LightningFlash]

The first movie was okay with it, imo.

The next two were just too ridiculous. Surprised Raimi didn't make Peter just wear the suit and wear no mask.

[batman11]

I believe that it was one of Cameron's various scripments that included the idea that the spider was affected by one of Doc Ock's many experiments (pre-villainy). I've always liked this, and expanded upon it, creating a situation where Peter's with the class in the lab, etc. etc., Doc Ock is showing off some of his technology, it fails, he's angry and keeps tinkering, etc. etc., a spider was caught in the blast of one of his experiments...and I think the rest is self-explanatory. Granted, this only works if Ock is the first villain (it could work somewhat if Ock was set up as a character in the first), or, it could possibly be applied to some work in Connors' lab perhaps. Just a way to have it so that it doesn't come from out of nowhere, allowing Peter to become Spider-Man before the villains flourish, yet giving them some background at the same time.

[jab1118]

Please dont do another origin at this point everybody knows how he became spiderman, that story has been told. Start the movie with him already spiderman

[spiderman2012]

thats true

[Eggyman]

Please dont do another origin at this point everybody knows how he became spiderman, that story has been told. Start the movie with him already spiderman

Exactly. There's no need to waist time. They should just jump right in and show us their balls from the get-go.

[bullets]

They are setting these films in High School years and they are going to want to set up characters like Harry , Flash , and Gwen , etc. I think we are getting the origin all over again.
However i think it would be cool if they just had Spidey swinging around and doing a monologue of his origin and it's covered within the first few minutes with some flashbacks.

[ModestMr.Green]

Don't bother mentioning what happened to the spider. Just show a brief clip of an undefined, abnormal spider biting Peter in a 'how he became Spider-Man' montage over the opening credits and move along.

[LightningFlash]

Bring in Green Goblin for movie number three and slowly explore the origins of that spider as a way to show how OsCorp has been altering animals' genetics.

[TheComicbookKid]

I said elsewhere, just start the movie off with Peter in the hospital after the spiderbite like in Ultimate Spidey. Uncle Ben and Aunt May come in to get him and start the origin from there.

We already know Peter's a loser nerd so any changes to how he gets his costume and such can be explained from that point on.

[Dangerous]

This time I want Radioactive Blood.

[topdog1]

Don't bother mentioning what happened to the spider. Just show a brief clip of an undefined, abnormal spider biting Peter in a 'how he became Spider-Man' montage over the opening credits and move along.


There ya go. Just like Incredible Hulk. We don't need another origin. Move along with the story.

I still HATE the idea of making him Spider-Kid again.

This time I want Radioactive Blood.

Is he strong? Listen bud—
He's got radioactive blood.

[Mrpaul]

radioactive spider

[El Payaso]

Daredevil-style early movie flashbacks or Incredible Hulk-style origin intro credits.

I agree with Daredevil (in fact I liked Daredevil's origin much more than Raimi Spiderman's). But TIH... hadn't I been a Hulk fan I wouldn't have gotten a thing from that rushed thing.

[Venom 1988]

Don't bother mentioning what happened to the spider. Just show a brief clip of an undefined, abnormal spider biting Peter in a 'how he became Spider-Man' montage over the opening credits and move along.

This

[Jick09]

I agree with Daredevil (in fact I liked Daredevil's origin much more than Raimi Spiderman's). But TIH... hadn't I been a Hulk fan I wouldn't have gotten a thing from that rushed thing.
Maybe their intention was just to remind people of what happened to him, since his origins also aren't unknown to the public, given the previous movie, the old tv series and old movies, too.

[8wid]

The spider is the only way it can ever go. But I do want to see a bigger role in Oscorp for developing some of the villains that appear in the series like Scorpion, Rhino, Shocker, and more.

[ChristoftheRed]

I think the genetically altered Spider should stay, just no need to spend a lot of time there or with the origin. I also think the Lizard would be a perfect first villain.

Tips to getting the Spider-Man franchise right this time:

1. Make Gwen Stacy Peter's love interest, no Mary Jane at all yet, keep Parker in high school for the first two movies.

2. Introduce Norman Osborn and Eddie Brock in the first movie, start building their characters

3. Take your time with good stories based off the great comics, do not shove villains or important characters in for the hell of it, use them properly from the beginning!

4. Use villains that haven't appeared in the movies for the second film again, like Electro, Shocker or Kingpin.

5. Send Parker to college in the third, introduce the Green Goblin after building Harry and Norman's characters. Use the greatest Spider-Man story ever, the Death of Gwen Stacy to make sure the third is the best film yet instead of the worst.

6. After the third, introduce Venom after building Brock's character. Also, introduce Mary Jane and start the next chapter in Peter's life. Gold!

[The Slang]

The spider is the only way it can ever go. But I do want to see a bigger role in Oscorp for developing some of the villains that appear in the series like Scorpion, Rhino, Shocker, and more.

Rhino shouldn't be made at oscorp. Rhino is hired muscle from europe. Travels the world to work for the highest bidder. We never need to see him before he becomes the rhino, and far as I know we never have before SSM. I'd also prefer Shocker not be connected to oscorp. I enjoy the simplicity of the character as he is. Just a random thug with specialty weapons. Maybe Scorpion. That could work... but honestly... having so many spidey villains come from Oscorp just makes it seem like a really small world doesn't it? Having super-humans emerge at random times all around the planet seems alot less lazy and convenient than a 'super-villain' factory spitting out bad guys a few blocks from Parker's house.

[The Slang]

A spider climbs into Peter Parker's teleporter.

[Firm]

I'd like the movie to open up with a bank robbery (God, this sounds like TDK already) and then Spidey comes, kicks the crap out of the robbers and crawls on to some shady building.

[Nathan]

I probably wouldn't even show a montage during the credits, I would keep the bite for a flashback or something.

I'd start the Movie by showing a classroom with the teacher making a roll call.

Teacher: "Harry Osborn?"

Harry: "Here."

Teacher: "Flash Thompson?"

Flash: "Here."

Teacher: "Peter Parker?"

...

Teacher: *sigh* "Where is Peter Parker?"

*cut to the roof of a car that is racing down the streets*

Spider-Man: "Would you pull over if I'd say pretty please?"

Crook #1: "Shake him off!"

Crook #2: "I'm trying!"

Then you'd have him busting the crooks and then cut to a scene of him sneaking into the class room.

[JustABill]

Do teachers still do roll call in high school though?

[Nathan]

Don't ruin it! :argh:

Ok, something different then. Let's say they are working on a school project and the teacher is pairing students up.

Teacher: "Liz Allen, you'll be working togther with Peter Parker."

Liz: "Uh.. teach? He isn't here."

Teacher sighs, cut to car chase, you know the rest.

[El Payaso]

Maybe their intention was just to remind people of what happened to him, since his origins also aren't unknown to the public, given the previous movie, the old tv series and old movies, too.

I think the same. The problem is that it was supposed to be a reboot and it felt like a sequel from second one.

[thorstone]

Radiation does not give you powers, it breaks your DNA down.


I imagine the origin to be like cult horror film, The Fly.

[sdc10]

Radiation does not give you powers, it breaks your DNA down.

Which totally sucks, Chernobyl was the picture perfect definition of a scenario that could produce super humans and we got nothing :doh:

[The Slang]

Not ALL radiation is harmful. We are all constantly exposed to radiation.
In the 90s TAS Professor Stillwell was the leading expert in a new science, 'neo-genics.' Which was the use of controlled radiation to recode a DNA sequence. It was at one of Stillwell's presentations that parker was bitten by the spider. Later Stillwell used neo-genics to create the scorpion. Connors also used it to turn himself into the lizard and morbius used it to turn himself into a vampire.
Did this Stillwell character exist in the comics? If so how sigificant was his role?

I think the spider should be radioactive. Let's not forget that the fantastic 4 were already on the scene before Parker got his powers. They all recieved their abilities from cosmic radiation. So Richards surely would have attempted to create some kind of device to create similar radiation in order to cure the thing.

So you just have to establish that this isn't the same frequency of radiation surrounding chernobyl. It was a technologically induced frequency designed for what ever purpose.

[SpeterMan3]

Do teachers still do roll call in high school though?
Yes. Yes they do.

[Spectacular23]

:D

And the ability not to cry every three seconds.
^^^ This :up:

[the amazing fro]

Not ALL radiation is harmful. We are all constantly exposed to radiation.
In the 90s TAS Professor Stillwell was the leading expert in a new science, 'neo-genics.' Which was the use of controlled radiation to recode a DNA sequence. It was at one of Stillwell's presentations that parker was bitten by the spider. Later Stillwell used neo-genics to create the scorpion. Connors also used it to turn himself into the lizard and morbius used it to turn himself into a vampire.
Did this Stillwell character exist in the comics? If so how sigificant was his role?

I think the spider should be radioactive. Let's not forget that the fantastic 4 were already on the scene before Parker got his powers. They all recieved their abilities from cosmic radiation. So Richards surely would have attempted to create some kind of device to create similar radiation in order to cure the thing.

So you just have to establish that this isn't the same frequency of radiation surrounding chernobyl. It was a technologically induced frequency designed for what ever purpose.

The problem is the suspension of disbelief. Yeah I know its a super hero movie and all but due to most people knowing the true effects of radiation on the body thanks to chernobyl and the WW2 A bombs then the whole radiation thing ain't gonna fly. Anything exposed to high enough radiation to change ones genetic structure is also gonna fry the poor sod alive. Its common knowledge. It just depends on if people can stretch their disbelief. I personally can't (though I accept it in the comics cause whats done is done and its kinda works in a kooky way but in a movie it would kinda fall flat)

[Ken-Kaniff]

I voted for the radioactive spider. It's the way it happened in the comics and it was a cool idea, so why change it?

But those other options in the poll... seriously, Goblin formula, raw Hulk formula?!? No comment... :whatever:

[Ajendo]

Spider-Man's origin doesn't need to be retold. We all know who he is and how he got his powers, just get on with the movie. Remember, this is a reboot and NOT a remake.

[The Slang]

The problem is the suspension of disbelief. Yeah I know its a super hero movie and all but due to most people knowing the true effects of radiation on the body thanks to chernobyl and the WW2 A bombs then the whole radiation thing ain't gonna fly. Anything exposed to high enough radiation to change ones genetic structure is also gonna fry the poor sod alive. Its common knowledge. It just depends on if people can stretch their disbelief. I personally can't (though I accept it in the comics cause whats done is done and its kinda works in a kooky way but in a movie it would kinda fall flat)

Are you fine with the fantastic four getting their powers through radiation? or the hulk?
Some evolutionists consider the possibility that cosmic radiation could have caused the mutations which led to the beginning of complex life. There is a giant photon belt that our solar system passes through every 30 thousand years or so which is getting some interest. photonic and UV radiation, although deadly at high levels are pretty different to the radiation surrounding chernobyl. Gamma radiation is different still. Radiowaves behave like radiation. Do not think of radiation as a SINGLE energy which always behaves the same in high levels. There is ultra high frequency radiation which will not cause any negative effects.
Nikola Tesla had the idea that we may one day be able to manipulate radioactive decay in such a way, that we could produce free energy as a direct byproduct. That is, we would alter the frequency of the energy (radiation) released until it behaves differently. Tesla was also under the impression that with absolute control over Electro-magnetic frequencies, we could make matter behave anyway we want.

[the amazing fro]

Are you fine with the fantastic four getting their powers through radiation? or the hulk?


The fantastic four is fine as its sort of cosmic radiation that isn't fully understood yet. It depends how they handle hulk. If its like his 60's origin with a gamma bomb going off like a mile behind him then no. Gamma radiation is far more understood than you think and I believe they know quite well what the effects would be of high contamination to a human. Which is they would be probably either get cancer of the entire body or get burnt to a crisp. Or maybe live long enough to sire a child with one eye and five penises.

It worked in the 60's where people knew jack all about radiation so the idea of an A bomb giving you superpowers was fair game for comic writers. Now it just wouldn't sit well with a lot of moviegoers me included.

[Immortalfire]

I don't think they need to redo the origin at all, except maybe a short flashback.

But yeah, radioactive spider.

[Young Superman]

I don't think they need to redo the origin at all, except maybe a short flashback.

But yeah, radioactive spider.

Agreed

[The Slang]

The fantastic four is fine as its sort of cosmic radiation that isn't fully understood yet. It depends how they handle hulk. If its like his 60's origin with a gamma bomb going off like a mile behind him then no. Gamma radiation is far more understood than you think and I believe they know quite well what the effects would be of high contamination to a human. Which is they would be probably either get cancer of the entire body or get burnt to a crisp. Or maybe live long enough to sire a child with one eye and five penises.

It worked in the 60's where people knew jack all about radiation so the idea of an A bomb giving you superpowers was fair game for comic writers. Now it just wouldn't sit well with a lot of moviegoers me included.

? I never said anything about how much we understand gamma rays. We use them in microwaves. And If I'm not mistaken, a scientist walking around a room where gamma rays were being emitted, and noticing chocolate in his pocket melting, led to the creation of the microwave.
I agree that the fantatic four origin is easier to accept than the hulk. But what I'm suggesting, is that the spider that bit peter parker was exposed to radiation similar to the cosmic radiation in fantastic four.
The fantastic four were in amazing spider-man #1. Scientists of parkers time would have been experimenting with replicating the cosmic radiation which gave them powers.
I don't really think it's necessary to re-do the origin, I'm just saying that a radioactive spider is fine. Aslong as the spider isn't exposed to gamma radiation or atomic bomb radiation, but imaginary artifical sci fi radiation. Which is no different than cosmic radiation. Get me?

[Alex_Spider]

You know at first i loughed at the idea of a radioactive spider concept for the movie. But Slang made a good point that it doesn't have to be the same kind like Chernobyl radiation. Just with a diferent tech behind but still radioactive origin. I like it. By the way Slang, are you familiar with Tesla's work? He was truly revolutionary for his time. It sucks tha big corporations got him out of the way like that.

[The Slang]

Indeed. He was clearly an inspiration to many comic writers of the era. With his 'crazy' ideas about death rays and matter transporters etc.

[the amazing fro]

? I never said anything about how much we understand gamma rays. We use them in microwaves. And If I'm not mistaken, a scientist walking around a room where gamma rays were being emitted, and noticing chocolate in his pocket melting, led to the creation of the microwave.
I agree that the fantatic four origin is easier to accept than the hulk. But what I'm suggesting, is that the spider that bit peter parker was exposed to radiation similar to the cosmic radiation in fantastic four.
The fantastic four were in amazing spider-man #1. Scientists of parkers time would have been experimenting with replicating the cosmic radiation which gave them powers.
I don't really think it's necessary to re-do the origin, I'm just saying that a radioactive spider is fine. Aslong as the spider isn't exposed to gamma radiation or atomic bomb radiation, but imaginary artifical sci fi radiation. Which is no different than cosmic radiation. Get me?

Ahh then I concur :cwink:

[Mace Bloodstone]

I thought this was interesting:

Several biologists on the History Channel’s Spider-Man Tech stated the effect of a radioactive spider bite (if any) would not be nearly enough to cause a mutation in a human body. However, they said the use of "genetically engineered" spiders from the live-action movie and the Ultimate continuity was more plausible. Instead of radioactive venom, the bite would have to carry a powerful retro virus (similar to HIV) that would spread through the body by taking over neighboring cells and actually becoming ingrained in the person’s DNA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man%27s_powers_and_equipment#Wall-crawling

[socool]

I thought this was interesting:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man%27s_powers_and_equipment#Wall-crawling

That is interesting but, like Chris Wallace says, superheroes aren't about relaism, they're about idealism.

[The Slang]

I just don't see the reason to remove the radioactive spider element. If you keep an explanation vague and mysterious enough... science can't refute it. Which is why there are so many cults.

I find that retro virus concept very interesting. But I'd still include radiation in the mix. example: spider-man gets his powers from this new virus, which originates in the body of a spider when it's exposed to a new experimental radiation generator.

This would mean that an actual spider virus, when exposed to extreme environmental changes, mutates (or evolves) into a strain that was able to infect a person. Somewhat like swine flu.