How Old Should Peter Be?

[DACMAN]

We know he's in high school but that means he can be any where from 13 all the way to 19 (I know a couple of people who finished school at 19.)

I'd want to see 15. That's how old he was when he was first bitten in the comics, not 18 like Raimi did it. Plus that's how old he is in the Ultimate line. Go 15, then have him about 16 in the second film and then like 17 or 18 in the third film.

So he'd should be in his second year of high school in this movie.

[Jostru]

I'd say about 16-17. Make him graduate halfway through the 3rd or 4th movie...

[JustABill]

16, 18 in second movie, 20/21 in the third. Let's NOT spend the entire trilogy in High School. Let's see Peter grow into his first year at college in the second, then finally becoming an adult in the third (while losing Gwen in the process to signify this.)

[JeanVitchier]

Yeah, I think they'll go with 14 or 15 years old. This way, all the Disney kids will be interested in having a superhero close to their generation. A rated G or hard PG Spidey reboot will bring the whole family together.

[webhead731]

We can have some high school drama now. MJ is a cheerleader, there's no Flash, it's just Eddie now. Eddie is dating her for 3 days, they break up and she blogs on Myspace about her suckish life, Peter asks her out but she says no because he's a dork, and Eddie gets back with her for a couple weeks.

Meanwhile, he's Spider-Man.

[JustABill]

Oh you two can go cry in a corner. You got more romantic drama in the Raimi films than you did Spider-Man anyways. So it's kinda funny you say that's all this reboot's gonna be.

[Jostru]

Yeah, I think they'll go with 14 or 15 years old. This way, all the Disney kids will be interested in having a superhero close to their generation. A rated G or hard PG Spidey reboot will bring the whole family together.

Knowing that they want to make it darker, it'll pretty much definitely be PG-13...

[Project862006]

16, 18 in second movie, 20/21 in the third. Let's NOT spend the entire trilogy in High School. Let's see Peter grow into his first year at college in the second, then finally becoming an adult in the third (while losing Gwen in the process to signify this.)

that time line sounds just like the original trilogy

[JustABill]

that time line sounds just like the original trilogy
Except Peter was clearly 18 in the first film as he graduates near the middle that and this time we'd actually see a focus on this stuff. Instead of just saying ''Oh yeah he's this age."

[webhead731]

Oh you two can go cry in a corner. You got more romantic drama in the Raimi films than you did Spider-Man anyways. So it's kinda funny you say that's all this reboot's gonna be.

Because we actually got a more mature love story. Maybe overdone and hokey in parts? Sure. But for the most part, I liked it (and I don't even like love stories that much).

No one takes high school seriously. I'll laugh if I see how they make it like Dark Knight in high school.

[JustABill]

Because we actually got a more mature love story. Maybe overdone and hokey in parts? Sure. But for the most part, I liked it (and I don't even like love stories that much).

No one takes high school seriously. I'll laugh if I see how they make it like Dark Knight in high school.

Yeah. Do you always read everything at face value, cause it seems you do.

[webhead731]

Sure.

[JustABill]

Then my good sir, you would know how ridiculous that sounds. Sony sure is going to take it's billion dollar earning franchise and just turn it into something Batman lite. Oh just because...

:rolleyes:

When they said it was Dark Knight light they meant set in a more realistic world. Raimi's world was full of camp and shtick that made the world around Peter seem unreal. They are cutting that. And I say good riddance.

No more dancing in the streets or terrible jazz club sequences sound okay to me. :o

[webhead731]

Then my good sir, you would know how ridiculous that sounds. Sony sure is going to take it's billion dollar earning franchise and just turn it into something Batman lite. Oh just because...

:rolleyes:

When they said it was Dark Knight light they meant set in a more realistic world. Raimi's world was full of camp and shtick that made the world around Peter seem unreal. They are cutting that. And I say good riddance.

No more dancing in the streets or terrible jazz club sequences sound okay to me. :o

""Who will helm the new film is anyone's guess but with the studio interested in a more gritty, contemporary redo of the series,"

What the hell is gritty supposed to mean? Face it, Sony wants their own "Dark Knight" which is plain sad.
And you saying make it more realistic...yeah because a man who shoots webs and sticks to walls can be made into something realistic.

Sorry that two minutes of dancing with the Symbiote on made you think that that's where Spider-Man 4 was going. :o

[JustABill]

It clearly was. Everything release about Spider-Man 4 and Raimi's plotline made it sound like a complete disaster of a film. Anne Hathaway walking away from it. His own plotline didn't even gel with his previous 3 films.

Raimi had lost his creativity for Spider-Man. Spider-Man 3 and what was going to become of Spider-Man 4 showed that.

I'm personally glad. The Spider-Man films are Raimi's weakest work. Now he can go off and do things he really does well.

[webhead731]

You are judging a script that not only was in progress, but one Raimi didn't even like. :rolleyes:

[JustABill]

Raimi made up the plotline. It is as much his fault as Sony's that the film was headed for disaster. It doesn't matter that he didn't like it. He just did not have the creative juice for these films anymore. He gave us 2 very good films, but it was time for him to go.

[webhead731]

Did he? And you're judging this "plotline" out of four different plotlines on the internet that may or may not be true? Remember when the script for Spider-Man 3 was known about with Chameleon as the villain?
Or when the rumor came that Aunt May became Carnage? You can't trust anything you read online about people knowing this or that. Even if true, judging a movie purely on an unfinished script that wouldn't be used is so stupid.

[Artistsean]

I would say make Peter at least a Sophomore in High School. So that he isn't a Freshmen, it would be good if he had already been in Highschool for a least a year and could have the reputation of being the school nerd, and also that way he still has enough time to be Spider-Man a lot before graduation.
If he is a Freshmen then its too young, and too much transition I think. If he is a Senior then its too old and too late to have lots of Spider-Man adventures in High School.
So, in my opinion, I would say at least a Sophomore (hope I spelled it right).
So I guess the character of Peter Parker should be around 16. Doesn't mean the actor has to be that age, but nothing like a 30 year old playing a high school student either.
So I guess this would mean that everyone else has to be around that age too, Flash, Liz Allen, Gwen, Harry, maybe even MJ.

I could see MJ and Flash being older, maybe even Liz (they could be Juniors or something but not more than that, and probably should be in the same class too).
So the entire cast should be, or at least look, around 15, 16, 17.
Except Aunt May, Jonah, and Betty Brant.
What about Betty? In the comics he and her sort of date (even if they only hint at that), how old should she be?
a senior in High School? graduated (18)?

[Blackman]

Junior or Senior

[ModestMr.Green]

Seventeen. I can't see Zac Efron pulling off anything younger.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Because we actually got a more mature love story. Agreed. People seem to ignore that and call it cheesey and such, which is stupid. It WASN'T a cheesey love story.

[Artistsean]

This thread just made me realize how cool it would be to see a 16-17 year old Spider-Man fighting bad guys in their 30s, 40s, and even 50s.
It would be soo cool to actually see something like that, Tobey as great as he was seemed like a young adult fighting adults. But it would be cool to see a teenager, young teenager, fighting adults.
I hope he is shorter and skinnier than the bad guys he fights too, to really emphasis that.

[spider-neil]

Raimi made up the plotline. It is as much his fault as Sony's that the film was headed for disaster. It doesn't matter that he didn't like it. He just did not have the creative juice for these films anymore. He gave us 2 very good films, but it was time for him to go.

I'm calling that. raimi's original plot was GG2 sandman and vulture, the latter two breaking out of prison together. sony force venom on raimi so now sandman and the third villian has no connection, what's more venom comes with a long back story so things are having to be chopped and changed to fit things in where before it would have flowed better.

so if sony hadn't stuck their nose in almost guaranteed you would have had a better 3rd movie and the villian for the 4th movie would have been OBVIOUS. the funny thing is with the 4th movie sony stuck their nose in AGAIN (what is it with these people).

anyway water under the bridge

[Kabuki_Jo]

"We can have some high school drama now. MJ is a cheerleader, there's no Flash, it's just Eddie now. Eddie is dating her for 3 days, they break up and she blogs on Myspace about her suckish life, Peter asks her out but she says no because he's a dork, and Eddie gets back with her for a couple weeks."



That would suck so damn much!
I can see that happening if they get Mark Webb on the director's seat

[Pythagoras]

He should be a sophmore in the first film, junior in the second and senior in the third film.

[Immortalfire]

17..good round age.

[Gotham22]

16 in the first film, 18 in the second, and 21 in the third one.

[Young Superman]

He should be a sophmore in the first film, junior in the second and senior in the third film.

Agreed

[JeanVitchier]

15 in the first movie, Petey is in high school.

17-18 in the second, Petey is college.

20-21 in the third, Petey is in university.

24-25 Petey is in grad school.

27-28 Petey is a science researcher for Osborn Corporation.

[Deaths Head II]

Nah, Peter should become a teacher at his old high school like in the JMS run. I loved that.

[Dangerous]

16, 18 in second movie, 20/21 in the third. Let's NOT spend the entire trilogy in High School. Let's see Peter grow into his first year at college in the second, then finally becoming an adult in the third (while losing Gwen in the process to signify this.)

This.

[Chipper9620]

I agree. He should be 16-17 at best. Remember he still ages in between the films!

I say mid-2nd movie or even toward the end is when he graduates (Could be funny if hes fighting baddies, and running late for the graduation Ceremony :awesome:)

This would also go great with the Gwen storyline, give them a chance to be a "real" couple.

[Pythagoras]

Agreed

Thanks dude.:yay:

[corby]

first movie: 16-17
second movie: 18 (graduating in the middle or towards end of the film)
third movie 20-21 (in college)

[Gamma Goliath]

first movie: 16-17
second movie: 18 (graduating in the middle or towards end of the film)
third movie 20-21 (in college)
this is exactly what i was gonna say, if they start the first movie off with pete already spidey, then 16-17 is a great age range, he would of been spidey for a year or so....

[Spider-ManHero12]

It would be soo cool to actually see something like that, Tobey as great as he was seemed like a young adult fighting adults.. IMO, I thought that that was a fantastic thing. I don't know if audiances would find it all that believeable if a 15 year old looking kid was playing Spidey. Yes, even though peter was around 16 or 17 in the comics. Tobey, though, looked around 17, 18 or 19 in the first film. It showed him getting older in each film, which was another thing that I thought was great because it made it so that the character of Peter Parker/Spider-man was growing more and more mature. Tobey was brilliant. Simple as that, if you ask me.

[Artistsean]

I never thought that was bad, at the time I didn't even notice it. I thought Tobey was great. But with the idea that the actor playing him might be a 17 year old kid who would look a little smaller next to the Scorpion or Kraven, it just would be cool to see. In my opinion it would heighten the excitement seeing a young kid (although in his costume you aren't meant to know his age) see a young kid lift a giant machine the size of a tank over his shoulders would be really fun.

in the comics the Green Goblin was shocked to learn Peter was just a kid, so you weren't supposed to tell from looking at Spider-man. But it would just be fun if, in the movie, Spidey looked slightly smaller than his enemies.

[Bruce Malone]

15 in the first movie, Petey is in high school.

17-18 in the second, Petey is college.

20-21 in the third, Petey is in university.

24-25 Petey is in grad school.

27-28 Petey is a science researcher for Osborn Corporation.

So peter parker attends a community college at some point? Thought he was more of an acheiver.

[Dangerous]

He didn't, he went from Midtown High's professional wallflower, to Empire State University Scholar in ASM #31.

[DACMAN]

Yes, even though peter was around 16 or 17 in the comics.

No. Peter was 15 when he first became Spider-Man.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/533/80016-158709-civil-war_super.jpg

15 first movie.

16 or 17 second movie.

18 or 19 third film. And then have him getting out of high school like in the very beginning of the third movie. If Ultimate Spider-Man proved anything it's that there are some great stories to be told about a high school Peter Parker who is also Spider-Man. I hope they show his origin again. If not in an origin story, at least a flash back of some kind. I want a radioactive spider this time.

[JustABill]

Let's please not spend the whole trilogy in HS.

16 in the first film

18, graduating at the beginning, first year of college, second film.

20/21, third film, becoming a man finally and losing Gwen Stacy.

You have to account for the fact that the actors playing these roles will grow between the films, so their characters should grow with them.

[JustABill]

Let's please not spend the whole trilogy in HS.

16 in the first film

18, graduating at the beginning, first year of college, second film.

20/21, third film, becoming a man finally and losing Gwen Stacy.

You have to account for the fact that the actors playing these roles will grow between the films, so their characters should grow with them.

[Reikowolf]

Spider-Man: Sophomore Year
Spider-Man: Junior Year
Spider-Man: Senior Year

If their intention is to keep him in highschool, this would be the logistics of it. Add a SHIELD arc and it culminates with him being offered/forced into a spot as one of the Ultimates/Avengers.

[Spider-ManHero12]

No. Peter was 15 when he first became Spider-Man.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/533/80016-158709-civil-war_super.jpg
That's been argued. It's been said he's 16 as well,S o, it's either 15 or 16.

[DACMAN]

Spider-Man: Sophomore Year
Spider-Man: Junior Year
Spider-Man: Senior Year

If their intention is to keep him in highschool, this would be the logistics of it. Add a SHIELD arc and it culminates with him being offered/forced into a spot as one of the Ultimates/Avengers.



:up:

[DACMAN]

That's been argued. It's been said he's 16 as well,S o, it's either 15 or 16.

Well whatever. One things for sure. He wasn't 18 and in his last year of high school like Raimi did it.

[JustABill]

You people are forgetting. Actors grow up...get older looking. We CAN'T do a whole trilogy in HS for this reason. Besides his term in HS in Amazing was relatively short if you think about it.

And don't bring up Ultimate, because while it's good. Ultimate is an comic book. It doesn't have to worry about actors getting older and looks changing. I'm sorry but the only film that should be in high school is the first one.

[Reikowolf]

/\ Harry Potter yo.

He is still a kid in the books/movies. It's not how old the actor is but rather how old he looks.

[Reikowolf]

/\ Harry Potter yo.

He is still a kid in the books/movies. It's not how old the actor is but rather how old he looks.

[JustABill]

/\ Harry Potter yo.

He is still a kid in the books/movies. It's not how old the actor is but rather how old he looks.
Different. Much different. And please...Rupert Grint TOTALLY looks way too old next to Emma and Daniel.

[DACMAN]

You people are forgetting. Actors grow up...get older looking. We CAN'T do a whole trilogy in HS for this reason. Besides his term in HS in Amazing was relatively short if you think about it.

And don't bring up Ultimate, because while it's good. Ultimate is an comic book. It doesn't have to worry about actors getting older and looks changing. I'm sorry but the only film that should be in high school is the first one.

Why would the actor growing up be a problem as long as they do the films one right after another? Tobey was 25 in the first film when he was suppose to be 18. He was 31 when they did Spider-Man 3 when Peter was suppose to be 20 or 21. That's a ten year difference!

So I'm gonna have to say you're wrong on this. Hire an actor who is 15 or 16. Make the first movie. By part 3 he'd be only 22 or so. Which is only 4 years older than the age he'd be on screen. While Tobey on the other hand was 7 years old than Peter in the first one. I think you're wrong.

[JustABill]

Rupert Grint. That's all. :o

[DACMAN]

Ok dude. I don't mean, to be mean, but the fact you brought up Harry Potter means I should stop listening to you all together.

Besides, I don't even get your point.

[Reikowolf]

/\ Opinion.

Fans tend to disagree as they $$ believing these are kids in school.

[Frodo]

I agree. He should be 15 or 16 . If you start him out at 17 or 18 you pretty much defeat the purpose of him in high school , because he's basically a senior and he'll be in college soon. He'd be more like Tobey's version and less like a kid , which he is in this version. If they're doing a reboot, they need to draw a clearer distinction between the two francises , hence I think making him a freshman or sophomore would be the best imo.

[DACMAN]

Exactly. Which is also why I'm conviced we won't get a "genetically enhanced spider" this time.

[Reikowolf]

Also, I'm not saying I find it believable as Daniel Radcliff, IMO, is far too old to be playing a kid.

But there is a suspension of belief that the majority of audiences are willing to tolerate.

Production will also be a key factor, if they shoot back to back, it will help

[chamber-music]

Radcliff and Grint look like they could still pass for teenagers to me compared to half the actors on those teen shows like Gossip Girl, 91210, ect.

[DACMAN]

Like I said eariler Tobey was always 7-10 years older than Peter in the movie. I don't get why people think it would be so hard to do three films in high school. Just hire someone who is 15 or 16. When this new trilogy has Peter getting out of high school the actor will only be about 22. Still younger than Tobey was when he was suppose to be 18 in the first movie. He was either 25 or 26!

[Frodo]

Yeah, though with Tobey version highschool was a pretty minor part of the first one and they quickly rushed him into college so I could give them a pass for casting a 25 year old. The only problem being , by 3 Maguire was clearly way older then he was playing and had he done a fourth it would be even more so. Casting an actor in their early to mid twenties for this version would be a mistake imo.

[cin0]

Exactly. Which is also why I'm conviced we won't get a "genetically enhanced spider" this time.

the gentically enhanced spider is more realistic than a radioactive spider.

[fullmetalRE]

Have him as a junior 16-17 in the first film.

Second film 17-18 and put him as a freshman in college skip senior year of high school. The beginning the scenes of the movie him graduating from high school and what he did with his summer instead of partying saving the day.

I dont think anyone wants to see this series stay in high school. I want to see Peter grow as spider man. Yes lets add drama but please come on lets not have three films of Peter as a sophomore, junior, and senior.

[cin0]

/\ Harry Potter yo.

He is still a kid in the books/movies. It's not how old the actor is but rather how old he looks.

that's right.

[DACMAN]

the gentically enhanced spider is more realistic than a radioactive spider.

That has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

[The Bat-Man]

I like the idea of him being a junior or a senior in this film. I'm not saying I want him to stay in high school for three films, but at for one whole film. There just wasn't enough high school stuff in the first film for me. I think they fumbled there. It all went by too quick. I really enjoy all of the school stuff from the comic book, so I was disappointed with that. Hell, have him in high school in the first film and put him in college in the second film. Then you could still get the school thing in the films.

[cin0]

That has nothing to do with what we were talking about.

u said that like it wasnt believable that there was a genetically enhanced spider. i didnt bring it up, but ur right that has nothing to do with it. the type of spider they use really isnt important.

[cin0]

Radcliff and Grint look like they could still pass for teenagers to me compared to half the actors on those teen shows like Gossip Girl, 91210, ect.

dont know about gossip girl, but most of the characters on 90210 were born in '88 and '89 and were still in highschool when it started. i know at least 3 of them just graduated the year before last. and they're still younger than emma stone who was also born in '88, but somehow one of the top choices for mj but people dont say she doesnt look like highschool age.

[Spider-Vader]

Seventeen. I can't see Zac Efron pulling off anything younger.

Yes. They're going to market the film towards teenage girls when the first trilogy made a billion dollars from a mostly teenage boy & adult male audience. :whatever:

15 or 16 sounds good. That's when he started in the comics.

[That person]

Exactly. Which is also why I'm conviced we won't get a "genetically enhanced spider" this time.

Bring on the Oz, says I. (It would also make a great way to incorporate the Lizard.)

[grand-I-am]

Let's please not spend the whole trilogy in HS.

16 in the first film

18, graduating at the beginning, first year of college, second film.

20/21, third film, becoming a man finally and losing Gwen Stacy.

You have to account for the fact that the actors playing these roles will grow between the films, so their characters should grow with them.

Exactly! I guess the posters that want that are probably in high school and would love to have a character that relates to them. oh please
I agree with your time line btw.

[HughJackFan420]

Marc Webb likes the Ultimate Spider-Man comics so if they go that route whatever age Parker was in the origins of Ultimate Spider-Man

[LegendaryCaleb]

i think itd be cool if he was 17 or 18!

[Oscorp]

I'd prefer him to be 17.

[DACMAN]

u said that like it wasnt believable that there was a genetically enhanced spider. i didnt bring it up, but ur right that has nothing to do with it. the type of spider they use really isnt important.

No. You have to read the conversation to get the context of the discussion. I was saying that because they are going to reboot this and because of that need to distance themselves as much as possible from the Raimi films, I'm convinced we're not going to get a genetically enhanced spider again. Not because some how it's more believeable. Besides, I say go radioactive because it's classic.

[DACMAN]

Marc Webb likes the Ultimate Spider-Man comics so if they go that route whatever age Parker was in the origins of Ultimate Spider-Man

He was 15 in both the 616 comics and the Ulitimate comics.

[Bad Superman]

A high school senior. 17

[DACMAN]

We had a high school senior in Raimi's films. These next three movies are suppose to be in high school. Making him 17 or 18 in his senior year would be too old.

[weezerspider]

I'd say around 15-16

[Mrpaul]

Probably 16 or 17

[bunk]

If it were up to me, I would have Peter aged 15 or 16 as a junior when he gets bitten. This way he's younger when he starts like he was in the comics, but it won't take a whole trilogy to get him out of high school. Most importantly, having him graduating at a younger age will help set up his character as having a higher intellect than most.

[agustin09]

OMG, this is going to seem like a lot to the aftermath of dragonball evolution :cmad:, so the beginners and all that.

No high school !!! for that is already the musical.

[finalrelief]

22+ ...take the high school out of the series, even though it's not going to happen, I can still hope, I mean we were expecting spider-man 4 with vulture and all that and in one day everything changed...so who knows.

[Gamma Goliath]

dude it will be in high school.

i say around 16 for the first movie

[Gamma Goliath]

dude it will be in high school.

i say around 16 for the first movie

[8wid]

I would have liked to continue with Maguire and see an older Spider-Man. It's more unrealistic to me that a full time superhero could attend a high school and run a household. When Peter was living away in a college schedule it made more sense. He should be in is early to mid twenties.

[SLYspyder]

I want no less than a 16 yr old High School Junior. And like someone else said earlier, sure he's young, but he has to be able to look like an adult in costume.

[Mob1423]

15 at least

[The Riddler]

ugh, high school is so overdone at this point.

if anything, the older the better is my stance on it.

[spidermanJLA!~]

15 years 17 tops

Junior in High School

[DACMAN]

ugh, high school is so overdone at this point.

if anything, the older the better is my stance on it.

He was in high school for like 15 minutes out of all three films. How is it over done?

[Ethermatic]

Preferably, I'd say 17 or 18. Really, I think I want him to be a senior in the film. Similar to Raimi's first film, I suppose, but with more time spent on his lackluster role in high school and not just sped through like in Raimi's.

[OctaviusINC]

I say 16-17.

A poll would be great.

[Dragon]

When they said it was Dark Knight light they meant set in a more realistic world. Raimi's world was full of camp and shtick that made the world around Peter seem unreal. They are cutting that. And I say good riddance.

No more dancing in the streets or terrible jazz club sequences sound okay to me. :o

And what part of The Dark Knight's world was more realistic?

The only reason to have Peter linger in high school is to draw in the Twilght crowd. Sony isn't doing this to make beter films, only to make more money.

[Venom'sDad]

The only reason to have Peter linger in high school is to draw in the Twilght crowd. Sony isn't doing this to make beter films, only to make more money.

Exactly!

:up:

[Dragon]

He was 15 in both the 616 comics and the Ulitimate comics.

He wasn't 15 in 616, I don't care what Fat Joe says in his retcons. Peter and Betty started dating in ASM #7. Betty, an independent working girl wasn't dating a 15 year old. Jameson wasn't buying photos from a 15 year old without parental okay. A 15 year old kid wasn't beating Doc Ock, The LIzard or Electro.

Peter was between 17 and 18 when he got the spider bite. That two year difference represents volumes in terms of maturing.

[DACMAN]

The only reason to have Peter linger in high school is to draw in the Twilght crowd. Sony isn't doing this to make beter films, only to make more money.

The only reason any studio makes a movie ever, is to make money. And often times the way to bring people in is to make a movie that doesn't suck. And the reason they are taking it back to high school is because the character started off in high school, and this is a reboot. Plus Ulitmate Spider-Man was extremely successful and they are drawing on it for this film.

And what part of The Dark Knight's world was more realistic?

The over the top humor and childish antics made Spider-Man often feel unrealistic. And too many of the scenes in the film were just fluff. They didn't further the story at all. Like "The Daily Bugle! It's hip! It's wow! It's now! And how?" That's pure fluff. The Dark Knight had none of that. It was 100% story and character driven.

[DACMAN]

He wasn't 15 in 616, I don't care what Fat Joe says in his retcons. Peter and Betty started dating in ASM #7. Betty, an independent working girl wasn't dating a 15 year old. Jameson wasn't buying photos from a 15 year old without parental okay. A 15 year old kid wasn't beating Doc Ock, The LIzard or Electro.

Peter was between 17 and 18 when he got the spider bite. That two year difference represents volumes in terms of maturing.

Those are all good points actually.

But there's a reason they went back and said he was 15 all along. It makes it more interesting. Bendis made him 15 and it works really well. The Spectacular Spider-Man made him 15 and it worked really well. Which is why it was so cool when this skinny little 15 year old was beating up adult villains. Look at it this way. There have been more high school Spider-Man stories told than college ones, yet we had him in college for all three films. The college thing was what was wearing thin.

[©KAW]

The over the top humor and childish antics made Spider-Man often feel unrealistic. And too many of the scenes in the film were just fluff. They didn't further the story at all. Like "The Daily Bugle! It's hip! It's wow! It's now! And how?" That's pure fluff. The Dark Knight had none of that. It was 100% story and character driven.I'm with you on this. And it's a shame, Batman lives in a made up city, while Spider-Man lives in a real city, yet his New York feels fake and Gotham City feels like a real place most of the time. So much potential lost on Spider-Man, it's just not funny anymore. :dry:

I absolutely hate every second of the Daily Bugle scenes, I didn't believe a single word uttered from anyone's mouth. Definitely a lost on any sense of real structure through story and character development.

I guess FLUFF is the new CHEESE, lol. :hehe:

[Dragon]

The only reason any studio makes a movie ever, is to make money. And often times the way to bring people in is to make a movie that doesn't suck. And the reason they are taking it back to high school is because the character started off in high school, and this is a reboot. Plus Ulitmate Spider-Man was extremely successful and they are drawing on it for this film.

Ultimate has only been moderately successful and that was quite a long time ago. At it's best it never sold at the level that Spidey did when it was selling fairly well back in the 80's and 90's. And he started off in High School in Raimi's films. But he was moved out of high for the same reason that he was in the comics that really were succesful. The character needs to evolve. He can't be a superhero while being under parental supervision. He needs to have adult relationships.

And BTW- the Twilight films do suck. But they make money for the same reason whatever tone-deaf flavor of the month teen singer does. Teenagers are gullible and spend money for teen-targeted crap. So these films are just going to be more teen-cheese whiz directed at cheeze-heads. Thus why they're being made on the cheap. Lots of teenage angst BS and little of the high octane throwdowns with villains that Raimi gave us.


The over the top humor and childish antics made Spider-Man often feel unrealistic. And too many of the scenes in the film were just fluff. They didn't further the story at all. Like "The Daily Bugle! It's hip! It's wow! It's now! And how?" That's pure fluff. The Dark Knight had none of that. It was 100% story and character driven.

The DarK Knight had none of that?

The Joker in a Nurse's uniform.
The Joker walking away tra-la-la while a hospital complex explodes behind him. His wacking the detonator to get it to finish igniting the bombs.

"I'm supposed to kill the bus driver" And the bus magically and silently appears and kills the henchman.

The Joker burning hundreds of millions of dollars while his mercenaries stand idly by, instead of blowing him away and trying to grab it for themselves.

Bruce Wayne figuring Gotham was safe in Dent's care since he'd put away a slew of mobsters, even though the only reason Dent could put them away was because of Batman's efforts.

Batman- a crazed-vigilante- kidnapping a very prominent and very rich Chinese citizen and there not being a GIGANTIC international incident.

Two-Face magically escaping from the mobster's moving car.

Batman figuring that a city- that's used to corrupt politicians- will fall apart if Dent is exposed for the Two-Face murders.

I could go on and on. TDK was fun. Heath was great. But not a great film by any means. And certainly not realistic by any stretch of the imagination.

But there's a reason they went back and said he was 15 all along. It makes it more interesting. Bendis made him 15 and it works really well. The Spectacular Spider-Man made him 15 and it worked really well. Which is why it was so cool when this skinny little 15 year old was beating up adult villains. Look at it this way. There have been more high school Spider-Man stories told than college ones, yet we had him in college for all three films. The college thing was what was wearing thin.

If the stories are good, it doesn't matter where he is. And in the comics Peter was in College for nearly 25 years. This period encompassing multiple titles including Amazing, Spectacular, Web, Marvel Team-up, etc. So no, there weren't more stories written about him in High School.

And his being 15 doesn't make it more interesting, it makes it less believable. Especially in things like the cartoon, where he's written to be an idiot much of the time. And the teen-angst garbage shown in that show is the very reason iI don't want to see it in the films. All of the characters in that show are annoying. In the films, MJ was bad enough. But this threatens to be an entire cast of MJs. If they have to reboot, I want to see an actual improvement, not a step-backward to make a fast grab for cash.

[DACMAN]

The DarK Knight had none of that?









The Joker in a Nurse's uniform.
The Joker walking away tra-la-la while a hospital complex explodes behind him. His wacking the detonator to get it to finish igniting the bombs.

How is that fluff? You might not have liked it but it wasn't fluff. It was part of the story and part of the character. The hospital blowing up was a big part of the story. That scene wasn't fluff at all.


The Joker burning hundreds of millions of dollars while his mercenaries stand idly by, instead of blowing him away and trying to grab it for themselves.


They never said Joker's men were mercs. They did say they were crazy and gravitate to him. Which makes perfect sense then why they wouldn't go after the money.

Batman figuring that a city- that's used to corrupt politicians- will fall apart if Dent is exposed for the Two-Face murders.

The city was tired of corrupt politicins. One right after another. What do you think the people of the city would think when they found out the guy that was their last hope, the guy that many people of the city put their trust in already to clean it up, ended up being just as bad as all the rest of the guys before him? They'd loose all hope and the city would slip even further down the drain. I think you missed the entire point of TDK all together.

Two-Face magically escaping from the mobster's moving car.

He put his seat belt on. How is that magic?

"I'm supposed to kill the bus driver" And the bus magically and silently appears and kills the henchman.

That furthed the story as well. I will give you that it showing up right as he gave the line was silly.

Bruce Wayne figuring Gotham was safe in Dent's care since he'd put away a slew of mobsters, even though the only reason Dent could put them away was because of Batman's efforts.

Again, how is that fluff? Sure Batman helped but the point was Dent was a man people could believe in. He was a man that could take the city back. Not a freak in a costume. That was the whole point of the movie.



Batman- a crazed-vigilante- kidnapping a very prominent and very rich Chinese citizen and there not being a GIGANTIC international incident.

And yet again, that isn't fluff since it furthed the story. Besides, when did the movie say the Chinese goverment knew Batman was an American? You're assuming so that you have more things to gripe about. And even still, just because the movie didn't show it doesn't mean the Chinese goverment wasn't upset about what happened afterwards. That doesn't make it fluff. Do you even know what "fluff" is?

Fluff in movies are scenes that do not further the story or character development at all and are put in for a cheap laugh. Spider-Man was full of those scenes. Almost every scene JJJ was in was fluff. When JJJ is one of the best, well rounded, 3 dimensional comic characters out there. Hoffman's character was pure fluff. The scene with JJJ and Raimi's daughter, fluff. Spider-Man had way too much fluff and not enough time developing it's characters.


All those TDK scenes you mentioned aren't fluff just because you didn't like them or think you can pick them apart. They all still furthed the story. A guy singing "He dresses like a spider and looks like a bug. We should all give him one big hug!" is fluff because it had nothing to do with the story and was thrown in for a cheap laugh.

[Dragon]

How is that fluff? You might not have liked it but it wasn't fluff. It was part of the story and part of the character. The hospital blowing up was a big part of the story. That scene wasn't fluff at all.

I did like it. And my criticism is not the Joker blowing up the hospital per se Although his being able to wire an entire hospital complex to explode with NO ONE KNOWING is pretty ridiculous.

But the point of this discussion is how much more realisitc TDK was than Spidey.

The Joker is a nurse's uniform didn't help him to achieve his objective. It was fluff because its only purpose was to be funny. And REALISTICALLY the Joker would've been running for his life to escape the explosions, shaken up by the noise and shockwaves. He wouldn't have calmly glanced back, saw a few bombs hadn't detonated and started whacking the device to set them off. All of it fun and hilarious, but not realisitc or furthering to the story.

They never said Joker's men were mercs. They did say they were crazy and gravitate to him. Which makes perfect sense then why they wouldn't go after the money.

No it doesn't. There isn't a shred of suggestion that they're his slavish followers ala Charles Manson's Family, which they'd have to be to stand by and watch all of that money burn up.

The city was tired of corrupt politicins. One right after another. What do you think the people of the city would think when they found out the guy that was their last hope, the guy that many people of the city put their trust in already to clean it up, ended up being just as bad as all the rest of the guys before him? They'd loose all hope and the city would slip even further down the drain. I think you missed the entire point of TDK all together.

Well, this past summer 40 politicians from New Jersey were rounded up for corruption. It certainly didn't turn into rioting in the streets or dogs and cats living together in sin. Name a city where such a thing has ever happened. Thus it's NOT REALISTIC.

And Nolan had gone to all the trouble of showing the selflessness of the people of Gotham with the event on the ferries. No way these people would've come unglued because of Dent's downfall. The only purpose of Batman's statement was to contrive an ending where Batman is now huted and hated. Nolan should've been able to concoct a believable reason for this.

He put his seat belt on. How is that magic?

So a seat belt saved him from a car overturning at high speed while killing the mob boss. And you think that isn't campy?

That furthed the story as well. I will give you that it showing up right as he gave the line was silly.

How did it further the story?

Again, how is that fluff? Sure Batman helped but the point was Dent was a man people could believe in. He was a man that could take the city back. Not a freak in a costume. That was the whole point of the movie.

No- Batman did EVERYTHING. He got all the evidence. All Dent did was try the case, which any lawyer could've done. He did nothing for anyone to believe in him except take credit for Batman's work. And after Batman tried to retire, Dent was unable to do anything to deal with the Joker either. So no, he wasn't someone the people could believe in. It was fluff because it was just a silly childish concept. Totally unrealistic and did nothing at all to further the story.

And yet again, that isn't fluff since it furthed the story.

Again, it was a totally unrealitic and ridicluous act in a film held up as being realistic.

Besides, when did the movie say the Chinese goverment knew Batman was an American? You're assuming so that you have more things to gripe about.

Did you really ask that question? Batman operates in Gotham City. Gotham is where? IN AMERICA. Thus Batman is American, represents American interests. At least as far as the Chinese would be concerned. SHEESH.

And even still, just because the movie didn't show it doesn't mean the Chinese goverment wasn't upset about what happened afterwards. That doesn't make it fluff. Do you even know what "fluff" is?

Uh no, pal. The Chinese Goverment would've demanded his IMMEDIATE RELEASE. They'd probably have even demanded Batman's capture and surrender to THEM for kidnapping. The Chinese guy would never have had to testify or turn over any evidence. The case would've completely fallen apart.

Allowing such an implausible event to occur simply to move an already implausible story along is the very definition of FLUFF.

Fluff in movies are scenes that do not further the story or character development at all and are put in for a cheap laugh. Spider-Man was full of those scenes. Almost every scene JJJ was in was fluff. When JJJ is one of the best, well rounded, 3 dimensional comic characters out there. Hoffman's character was pure fluff. The scene with JJJ and Raimi's daughter, fluff. Spider-Man had way too much fluff and not enough time developing it's characters.

Fluff isn't just about cheap laughs. It's anything implausible or ridiculous that does nothing to strengthen a story. Sex can be fluff. Action can be fluff. Effects can be fluff. And certainly implausible scenes that only reflect a lack of good story-telling skills is fluff.


All those TDK scenes you mentioned aren't fluff just because you didn't like them or think you can pick them apart. They all still furthed the story. A guy singing "He dresses like a spider and looks like a bug. We should all give him one big hug!" is fluff because it had nothing to do with the story and was thrown in for a cheap laugh.

Actually, i need to ask you if YOU know what fluff is. The singing guy actually did futher the story along, since he showed one reaction of the city to Spider-Man's exploits. This was key to what happens at the end when the city folks risk themselves to help Spider-Man against the Goblin. Like YOU SAID- just because you didn't like doesn't make it fluff.

[Spider-Man '92]

I'd say 15 or 16. Stick to the comics. By comics, I mean ASM Vol. 1. But I'm not against adding some of the touches that USM #1-5 had.

[Captain America]

I'd say 15 or 16. Stick to the comics. By comics, I mean ASM Vol. 1. But I'm not against adding some of the touches that USM #1-5 had.

Agreed, about that age and much more dweeby then in the past spidey films, that is of course until he becomes SM, after he should man up a bit more

[Spider-Man '92]

^^ Man up to the likes of 90s animated Peter, imo. :P

[Dragon]

I'd say 15 or 16. Stick to the comics. By comics, I mean ASM Vol. 1. But I'm not against adding some of the touches that USM #1-5 had.

Except that he isn't 15 0r 16 in vol. 1. That's a retcon.
.

[DACMAN]

That's your opinion. Give us a link that says he was 17 or 18.

You can't. As far as we know he was 15. That's what Marvel says he was. It's 100% official. Just because you don't like it and they clarified it years later doesn't make it less true. Deal with it.

[Dragon]

That's your opinion. Give us a link that says he was 17 or 18. You can't.

Actually I can. Here's a link. In Amazing Fantasy #15, Peter says he's a science major- which would mean he'd have to be at least a junior in High School. Peter graduates in ASM #28. You can't think that Stan crammed four years of high school into two years of comics.


As far as we know he was 15. That's what Marvel says he was. It's 100% official. Just because you don't like it and they clarified it years later doesn't make it less true. Deal with it.

You can't be serious. For you to suggest that ANYTHING Marvel states is 100% official is an exercise in futility. The very story you're referring to isn't even official.