WB Superman Reboot 3.0: Christopher Nolan Edition

[redfirebird2008]

I feel they have buried the character in favor of Batman because they have the rights to Batman under control.


Or maybe Batman is just a more relevant character in today's society, thus making it easier to write stories? :p

[ducking the flying turds and running for the hills right now, thank you very much :woot:]

[Cuyan]

I agree, Superman is kind of flat as a character.

[Timstuff]

Watching Batman Begins it was pretty obvious that the people who made it had seen more than a few episodes of Batman: The Animated Series. I wouldn't be surprised if they've seen STAS, too.

[Thundercrack85]

STAS was pretty great all around, certainly something they should take inspiration from. Probably best non-comic adaption of Krypton.

Though, hopefully they'll spend some more time on Superman's early years.

[Lobo]

This announcement came a sa big surprise to me. Nolan mentoring bodes well. I'm glad we are now not another decade away from Superman returning to the silver screen

[antsman41]

How would you guys feel if Nolan selected McG for the job?:wow:

McG has a Nolan connection and he can definitely shoot an action sequence...with Chris Nolan mentoring him, would you have faith that he could do a good job?:woot:

Bale would never suggest McG too Nolan or even let McG call Nolan over the phone. Even if McG tried to Friend Nolan on Facebook, Bale would go all ape**** and murder the internet...

[FaT_tONle]

I just got in here, so what's best case scenario? 2013 release with a deal in place with the Siegels? Hope so...

[antsman41]

I just got in here, so what's best case scenario? 2013 release with a deal in place with the Siegels? Hope so...

Most likely, beats the courts and fits in with their plan...

Summer 10; Inception
Winter 10; Harry Potter 7

Summer 11; Green Lantern/Harry Potter 7 1/2/Hangover II
Winter 11; Sherlock Holmes II/The Hobbit?

Summer 12; 3atman (is all you need)
Winter 12; The Hobbit (rumors of being pushed back to here)

Summer 13; Superman 3.0/Hangover III (please go no...)
Winter 13; Sherlock Holmes III

Summer 14; Green Lantern II

Summer 15; Flash (?)/ World's Finest or JLA movie (with or without Nolan's Bat)

Summer 16; Superman 3.II

Summer 17; Green Lantern III

Summer 18; Flash II (?)

Summer 19; Superman 3.III

[TMC1982]

I thought the suggestion of McG was a joke.

He's already wrecked one reboot.

What's the case against McG anyway (I haven't seen Terminator Salvation yet) besides his fast food-like name? I mainly know him for Charlie's Angels and his music videos (e.g. Korn's "Got the Life[/i] and the Barenaked Ladies' "One Week").

[FaT_tONle]

Meh... I'll believe it when I see it. Siegels will be making a boat load if this thing gets fast tracked... maybe WB just decides it ain't worth it. Unless Nolan directs... :hehe:

[Lone]

Bale would never suggest McG too Nolan or even let McG call Nolan over the phone. Even if McG tried to Friend Nolan on Facebook, Bale would go all ape**** and murder the internet...

LOL.:hehe: But since Nolan is the one overseeing this thing, it would be him going to McG.

I'm not saying I want McG to direct but I was just wondering how people would react to a Nolan mentored, McG directed Superman movie.

[Kurosawa]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nolan asks Goyer, Johns and maybe Morrison to give him a handful of the best post crisis and modern Superman stories ever, so he can educate himself a bit more.

Why not pre and post crisis?

Exactly. To not include pre-Crisis material in a study of Superman is inane. There are a lot of things, especially from the earliest stories, that would play well now. I'd like to see a return in the comics and in a movie of Superman involving himself in social issues, sometimes to the point where he is operating on the fringes of the law or indeed against the law.

Or maybe Batman is just a more relevant character in today's society, thus making it easier to write stories? :p

[ducking the flying turds and running for the hills right now, thank you very much :woot:]

Mostly DC has completely mishandled the character since the Mid-80's. Everything that made Superman intriguing was eliminated during that period and the character became very generic. They took Supes too far from what Siegel intended and diluted the character as a result.

[Blue Gun]

Good. The casting for the last Superman was God Awful.

[TMC1982]

Uh, no. Among other things, Jackman wouldn't want to do it and second, he's just a wrong fit for the Man of Steel. The production needs someone young enough to carry a franchise but not established enough to demand a huge payday.

It's funny that Hugh Jackman's name has been thrown out because when he hosted Saturday Night Live back in the year 2001, there was a skit (http://snltranscripts.jt.org/01/01hsuperman.phtml) in which Jackman played Superman in the Fortress of Solitude.

[Crook]

How would you guys feel if Nolan selected McG for the job?:wow:

McG has a Nolan connection and he can definitely shoot an action sequence...with Chris Nolan mentoring him, would you have faith that he could do a good job?:woot:
Absolutely not. MCG has good ideas in his head, as evidenced by his slow fan approval as TS went along in production. The man just does not have the talent to execute.

It's just something that is done too much. Superman's personal feud should be with Lex, and it should be more that Lex has problems with Superman than Superman having problems with Lex. Supes should always feel Lex is wasting his great mind that could do so much for humanity, and feel personal disappointment that he can't get that through to Lex.
While I'd like that type of relationship, what you just described isn't much of a personal feud at all. Not when it's one-way.

Braniac is that live connection Clark has to his origins. His only one (if they exclude Supergirl). I think the possibilities for that are quite more interesting compared to Lex/Supes contrasting moral views.

[dark_b]

So uhh... Has this been confirmed?

As soon as people heard about this, they took it as the gospel truth. I'd like to get something more official before preparing for a new franchise. :oeven if it is true it could still change 100% in 1 year.

every superman fan who thinks that this movie is a go now is living in a world full of drugs.:hehe:

how can someone act now like they started working when even GL didnt start to film?

[Crook]

1) The two projects have no relation

2) GL has a full cast and crew with a shoot date right around the corner. The chances of it not going through are very slim

[Kurosawa]

Absolutely not. MCG has good ideas in his head, as evidenced by his slow fan approval as TS went along in production. The man just does not have the talent to execute.


While I'd like that type of relationship, what you just described isn't much of a personal feud at all. Not when it's one-way.

Braniac is that live connection Clark has to his origins. His only one (if they exclude Supergirl). I think the possibilities for that are quite more interesting compared to Lex/Supes contrasting moral views.

If they don't have Brainiac cause Krypton's destruction-which I think would be incredibly trite-then they would need to bring him in another way. I like Brainiac, but I'm just not sure how they could bring him in effectively. Kandor is cool but they couldn't bring it in first thing. All I know is I absolutely do not want for him to have any involvement in Krypton's destruction.

[dark_b]

1) The two projects have no relation

2) GL has a full cast and crew with a shoot date right around the corner. The chances of it not going through are very slimof course they will start filming GL.but when was the director for GL hired and when was Reynolds casted? this

[Catman]

Summer 14; Green Lantern II

Summer 15; Flash (?)/ World's Finest or JLA movie (with or without Nolan's Bat)

Summer 16; Superman 3.II

Summer 17; Green Lantern III

Summer 18; Flash II (?)

Summer 19; Superman 3.III

I don't think they're thinking that far ahead.

[Mace Dolex]

Now comes the hard part, the casting and the waiting of it's release.

[SuperAl]

so he is a producer on the film then, thats what it sounds like they are making him.

[batman_gr]

I don't see why he shouldn't use Millar's screenplay for the Supes reboot. After all, it's an already layed out trilogy and Millar is quite a good writer. Nolan should at least peek at this script.

[Dark Knight]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nolan becomes the Executive Producer of this Supes Reboot film when it is all said and done.

[Anita18]

Or maybe Batman is just a more relevant character in today's society, thus making it easier to write stories? :p

[ducking the flying turds and running for the hills right now, thank you very much :woot:]
Well, I guess "relevant" in that he's more relateable to a darker and more cynical audience, but to say that Superman is not relevant is silly. Sure he shouldn't be dark and cynical, but there are definitely aspects of Superman that can be very relevant. They just need to figure out the right story for it.

I don't think TDK could have been made pre-9/11, but they didn't just take aspects of that event and stick it into the plot willy-nilly. It fit into its own world very nicely, even though it resonated with the audience differently because of that event. Just as you can't take hopeful and optimistic events and stick them into a Superman movie just because.

[Catman]

Now comes the hard part, the casting and the waiting of it's release.

But, first, we need an actual announcement from WB. :cwink:

[jmc]

Good to see Big Blue get the size 12 boot in the arse it so desperately needs, I think those who are anti-Nolan needs to relax and take a chill pill and be grateful that a talent such as him will help helping to bring your favourite character to the screen for the 21st century. I don't believe this will lead to any sort of crossover or team up movies, I find it hard to believe Nolan would do a 180 in regards to taking his Batman up to a more fantastical level after he spent the last two films trying to set up Batman's world as being as plausible as possible, but I think this could potentially lead to a fantastic modern Superman series granted the right people are involved and the legal issues are sorted out. As someone who's a bit neutral on Supes I await with interest on the development of this project.

[SuperAl]

I don't see why he shouldn't use Millar's screenplay for the Supes reboot. After all, it's an already layed out trilogy and Millar is quite a good writer. Nolan should at least peek at this script.

i dont like the idea of using his trilogy script mainly cuz his ending is just plain stupid. Superman isn't immortal, he won't outlive a sun and if he did why would he sit on a planet by himself for millions of years when he could leave. Just seems like his movie idea would only involve lex and then one or two other villains since he wants it to be like lotr. And his script would automatically rule out a possibility of crossovers and justice league

I always hate when studios use terms like trilogy because theres enough stories and villains to span a number of movies, when they throw out trilogy, just sounds like they are moving towards a definite ending followed by another reboot.

[dark_b]

Good to see Big Blue get the size 12 boot in the arse it so desperately needs, I think those who are anti-Nolan needs to relax and take a chill pill and be grateful that a talent such as him will help helping to bring your favourite character to the screen for the 21st century. I don't believe this will lead to any sort of crossover or team up movies, I find it hard to believe Nolan would do a 180 in regards to taking his Batman up to a more fantastical level after he spent the last two films trying to set up Batman's world as being as plausible as possible, but I think this could potentially lead to a fantastic modern Superman series granted the right people are involved and the legal issues are sorted out. As someone who's a bit neutral on Supes I await with interest on the development of this project.is he the only guy in hollywood who is able to make a superman movie?

[Mr. Earle]

Braniac is that live connection Clark has to his origins. His only one (if they exclude Supergirl). There is also Zod and everybody else who's trapped in the Phantom Zone or Kandor.
I think the possibilities for that are quite more interesting compared to Lex/Supes contrasting moral views.
There cant be much of a discussion with Brainiac. He's all: "I'll record everything from your planet as i did with Krypton and then ka-boom!"
He has no morality or opinion on matters. He can only offer info about Krypton.

So anyway, is Brainiac destroying Krypton canon now?

[batman_gr]

I find it hard to believe Nolan would do a 180 in regards to taking his Batman up to a more fantastical level after he spent the last two films trying to set up Batman's world as being as plausible as possible

I agree with you but that totally rejects the possibility of a World's Finest film in the next 10 years. And that doesn't sound good to me...:csad:

I always hate when studios use terms like trilogy because theres enough stories and villains to span a number of movies, when they throw out trilogy, just sounds like they are moving towards a definite ending followed by another reboot.

Yes. But it depends. You can insert lots of villains in a film and get 3 (ala Spidey) or one at a time and be like the Highlander franchise (I know it sucks but yeah.)

[dark_b]

There is also Zod and everybody else who's trapped in the Phantom Zone or Kandor.
There cant be much of a discussion with Brainiac. He's all: "I'll record everything from your planet as i did with Krypton and then ka-boom!"
He has no morality or opinion on matters. He can only offer info about Krypton.

So anyway, is Brainiac destroying Krypton canon now?no zod. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Zod :dry:

[Mr. Earle]

no zod. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Zod :dry:Oh, i hate him too. I was merely saying that he also provides a connection with Krypton.
I don't believe this will lead to any sort of crossover or team up movies, I find it hard to believe Nolan would do a 180 in regards to taking his Batman up to a more fantastical level after he spent the last two films trying to set up Batman's world as being as plausible as possible, but I think this could potentially lead to a fantastic modern Superman series granted the right people are involved and the legal issues are sorted out.Unfortunately this is probably the case.

[jmc]

is he the only guy in hollywood who is able to make a superman movie?

Who the hell said anything of the sort? Point is a fantastic film maker is going to be behind the scenes trying to help resuscitate a character who is in bad need of oxygen. I agree with you but that totally rejects the possibility of a World's Finest film in the next 10 years. And that doesn't sound good to me...:csad:



I personally don't see it as a bad thing, I don't care much for the idea of team up movies, the characters will always work better as individuals.

[dark_b]

Who the hell said anything of the sort? Point is a fantastic film maker is going to be behind the scenes trying to help resuscitate a character who is in bad need of oxygen. I personally don't see it as a bad thing, I don't care much for the idea of team up movies, the characters will always work better as individuals.its bad because they think that he will do for superman what he did for batman. which is wrong. there is no formula for making a 1.5 billion movie.

and when superman fans will start insulting Nolan through the internet, go back and search for my post. because it will happen. :awesome:

[Cuyan]

its bad because they think that he will do for superman what he did for batman. which is wrong.
So you're completely dismissing even the chance of him being a positive influence on the franchise before anything has even been announced? :whatever:

[dark_b]

So you're completely dismissing even the chance of him being a positive influence on the franchise before anything has even been announced? :whatever:i dont think that

[jmc]

its bad because they think that he will do for superman what he did for batman. which is wrong. there is no formula for making a 1.5 billion movie.

and when superman fans will start insulting Nolan through the internet, go back and search for my post. because it will happen. :awesome:

So it's bad that they ask the man who single handedly rescued Batman and set the benchmark for comic book adaptations to help in bringing to life a character who's recent movie history has been sub-par at best? And where the hell did some ridiculous figure like 1.5 billion come into the conversation? Your comments are baffling.

[dark_b]

sorry 1 billion. i thought it made 1.5

[dark_b]

So it's bad that they ask the man who single handedly rescued Batman and set the benchmark for comic book adaptations to help in bringing to life a character who's recent movie history has been sub-par at best? And where the hell did some ridiculous figure like 1.5 billion come into the conversation? Your comments are baffling.
1. its not bad
2. its the same pattern like in the 90s with Burton
3. what makes Nolan better for sueprman then anyother director?

Nolan was the right guy for batman not for the comicbook movies in general.

[Cuyan]

3. what makes Nolan better for sueprman then anyother director?

Nolan was the right guy for batman not for the comicbook movies in general.
What makes him the wrong guy?

[dark_b]

What makes him the wrong guy?the opposite from better is wrong?

[jmc]

1. its not bad
Then what's the issue? 2. its the same pattern like in the 90s with Burton
So? How the hell is anything Burton did relevant to the current situation? 3. what makes Nolan better for superman then anyother director?
He's not directing it, he's basically gonna be a consultant, and if I'm a director taking charge of Big Blue there's no-one else I'd want in my corner to turn to.
Nolan was the right guy for batman not for the comicbook movies in general.

What are you basing that on? One character? Some people have a talent for certain types of films, Scorsecse: crime dramas, Apatow: comedies, Bay: popcorn trash, Del Toro: Fantasies, Brad Bird: Animation, maybe Nolan can see something within comic characters that others can't.

[Angeloz]

Didn't Burton direct a couple of Batman films the same as Nolan... ;)

Angeloz

[Ipodman]

Maybe Nolan will say "Stretch the origin like in Batman Begins!"

and we will have Superman Begins

Actually thats not a bad title :)

[jmc]

Didn't Burton direct a couple of Batman films the same as Nolan... ;)

Angeloz

Didn't Burton's second go the complete opposite direction to Nolan's? :)

[Timstuff]

I'd be down for Superman Begins. That's what I've been calling it anyway, so it could potentially work, at least as a production title. :P

"Superman: Man of Steel" is my most desired title though. It would tie pretty well with The Dark Knight as well as establishing that this is a reboot, without causing confusion with the '78 movie.

Anyway, I don't worry much about Nolan repeating the Burton curse. Nolan is only acting as a producer if he is indeed involved, and also Warner Bros. has wisened up a lot since then.

[dark_b]

Then what's the issue? So? How the hell is anything Burton did relevant to the current situation? He's not directing it, he's basically gonna be a consultant, and if I'm a director taking charge of Big Blue there's no-one else I'd want in my corner to turn to.


What are you basing that on? One character? Some people have a talent for certain types of films, Scorsecse: crime dramas, Apatow: comedies, Bay: popcorn trash, Del Toro: Fantasies, Brad Bird: Animation, maybe Nolan can see something within comic characters that others can't.he did only one comic character .:dry:
and really you are going to compare Scorsese with Nolan? Scorsese proved that he is good in crime dramas. Nolan prooved that he understands batman and not comicbook movies in general.try again.

and i have nothing against Nolan. i have problems with WB thinking that the batman director can do every DC movie. like they did 15 years ago.

[Timstuff]

He's not directing, though. He was responsible for DC's most successful movie ever, so Warner Bros. is looking to him for advice on Superman, which seems pretty natural to me-- especially if they are planning to set up a coherent DC movieverse like Marvel is doing. If Batman is the launching point for the DC movieverse, then Nolan's involvement with other DC movies makes sense.

[Angeloz]

Didn't Burton's second go the complete opposite direction to Nolan's? :)

Man you edited your post before I clicked the quote button. I think the association is that Batman and his villains are much more darker than Superman. Also Burton and Nolan aren't known for tackling outright heroic characters. I'll admit I treat this as bull until proven otherwise. So far it hasn't. But have fun (it's what I try to do).

Angeloz

[Anita18]

I don't believe this will lead to any sort of crossover or team up movies, I find it hard to believe Nolan would do a 180 in regards to taking his Batman up to a more fantastical level after he spent the last two films trying to set up Batman's world as being as plausible as possible, but I think this could potentially lead to a fantastic modern Superman series granted the right people are involved and the legal issues are sorted out. As someone who's a bit neutral on Supes I await with interest on the development of this project.
Right. Nolan has mentioned explicitly before that Superman (or other superheroes in general) could not exist in his Batman's world, because it would completely shift Bruce's motivations for becoming Batman.

Nolan: I don’t think our Batman, our Gotham, lends itself to that kind of cross-fertilization. It goes back to one of the first things we wrangled with when we first started putting the story together: Is this a world in which comic books already exist? Is this a world in which superheroes already exist? If you think of "Batman Begins" and you think of the philosophy of this character trying to reinvent himself as a symbol, we took the position -- we didn’t address it directly in the film, but we did take the position philosophically -- that superheroes simply don’t exist. If they did, if Bruce knew of Superman or even of comic books, then that’s a completely different decision that he’s making when he puts on a costume in an attempt to become a symbol. It’s a paradox and a conundrum, but what we did is go back to the very original concept and idea of the character. In his first appearances, he invents himself as a totally original creation.

GB: That doesn't lend itselt to having him swing on a rope across the Metropolis skyline.

Nolan: No, correct, it’s a different universe. It’s a different way of looking at it. Now, it's been done successfully, very successfully, in the comics so I don’t dispute it as an approach. It just isn’t the approach we took. We had to make a decision for "Batman Begins."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/christopher-n-2.html

Additionally (and more importantly), I'd argue that it would completely change the public's reaction to him. The entire series depends on that tense relationship, that people know there is some guy out there doing all this crazy stuff.

3. what makes Nolan better for sueprman then anyother director?

Nolan was the right guy for batman not for the comicbook movies in general.
Because WB trusts him. :oldrazz: It's as simple as that. They hold the rights, they call the shots. WB and Nolan obviously have a great relationship, why not use it?

And I think having Nolan as a consultant (NOT as a director necessarily) would be great for comic book movies in general, considering how they were able to distill 60 years of Batman comics into a great film that stood on its own merits while paying tribute to its source material. What more could you ask for in a comic book movie director?

What are you basing that on? One character? Some people have a talent for certain types of films, Scorsecse: crime dramas, Apatow: comedies, Bay: popcorn trash, Del Toro: Fantasies, Brad Bird: Animation, maybe Nolan can see something within comic characters that others can't.
Nolan does have a type - he's only gone for protagonists with an obsessive streak. The guy's obsessed with obsession. :funny: Which is why Batman was a perfect vehicle for him. I can't see him directing a Superman movie. But the guy's obviously very intelligent and would probably have some good input as to adapting comics to screen in general.

As far as I can see, what they're claiming is that they're making Nolan pretty much another studio head, an executive producer. He would probably look at something and go, "Hmm, that has potential" or "Hmm, maybe we should try something else."

[dark_b]

He's not directing, though. He was responsible for DC's most successful movie ever, so Warner Bros. is looking to him for advice on Superman, which seems pretty natural to me-- especially if they are planning to set up a coherent DC movieverse like Marvel is doing. If Batman is the launching point for the DC movieverse, then Nolan's involvement with other DC movies makes sense.there is no formula for making a comicbook movie that will be liked by the hardcore fans and the masses. some movies click with the right people and some dont. some stories work and some dont. TDK is a combination of everything. story,ledgers Joker,hype,luck,realese date.....

so want to know what kind of conversations they had. because i just dont understand what kind of advice Nolan could give to WB.

[FilmNerdJamie]

They were going for Superman: The Man of Steel as the title of the next film for quite awhile - even after the August '08 remarks from Robinov. Don't know if that still stands.

[jmc]

he did only one comic character .:dry:
and really you are going to compare Scorsese with Nolan? Scorsese proved that he is good in crime dramas. Nolan prooved that he understands batman and not comicbook movies in general.try again.

and i have nothing against Nolan. i have problems with WB thinking that the batman director can do every DC movie. like they did 15 years ago.

Nolan has only done one character, you can't say he's not a good fit for another when you have no evidence to back it up. You say he doesn't understand comic movies, tell me what exactly is there to 'understand' about the 'comic book movies'?

[Anita18]

so want to know what kind of conversations they had. because i just dont understand what kind of advice Nolan could give to WB.
What to pursue and what to ditch? :oldrazz: You'd think that kind of stuff is easy, but it takes someone with a good eye to pick it out, especially in the early stages of development where you can literally go anywhere you want to.

[ultimatefan]

Let´s not forget one thing. Nolan isn´t the director or the writer of the new Superman movie. He´ll contribute with ideas, he may help choosing the director, writer, etc. But he´s not "in charge" the way he´s in charge of Batman, so it´s not gonna be "Nolan´s Superman" the same way that the current Batman franchise is "Nolan´s Batman". There will be writers and a director who´ll give their input as well, Nolan is simply overlooking it, using his credibility to help get the project off the ground, cuz WB is shaky about it right now. They need a talent they feel confident about giving his input, and right now Nolan is the one.

[dark_b]

Nolan has only done one character, you can't say he's not a good fit for another when you have no evidence to back it up.You say he doesn't understand comic movies, tell me what exactly is there to 'understand' about the 'comic book movies'?if there is nothing to understand then WB doesnt need Nolan's help hahahahahhahahahahhahahah :lmao:
of course i dont have any evidence that he couldnt do a good spiderman movie or superman movie. every movie that he would he would take serious. he would focus on the story and the main character. thats a fact. but what changes would he made for hes version of the character?

[jmc]

Or casting.

[Anita18]

Nolan has only done one character, you can't say he's not a good fit for another when you have no evidence to back it up. You say he doesn't understand comic movies, tell me what exactly is there to 'understand' about the 'comic book movies'?
No, I agree with dark_b that Superman is not a good fit for Nolan the director. He's explicitly shown that he likes obsessive protagonists, and unless Superman has some hidden facet within him, he's not broody obsessive the way Nolan likes.

But I still think Nolan would be a valuable asset to have on board, because of the way he was able to adapt the decades of source material into a film that also stood on its own merits.

[jmc]

if there is nothing to understand then WB doesnt need Nolan's help hahahahahhahahahahhahahah :lmao:
That's a character issue, not a genre issue. of course i dont have any evidence that he couldnt do a good spiderman movie or superman movie. every movie that he would he would take serious. he would focus on the story and the main character. thats a fact. but what changes would he made for hes version of the character?

I have no idea what the hell you're on about anymore so I'm done talking..

[dark_b]

Let´s not forget one thing. Nolan isn´t the director or the writer of the new Superman movie. He´ll contribute with ideas, he may help choosing the director, writer, etc. But he´s not "in charge" the way he´s in charge of Batman, so it´s not gonna be "Nolan´s Superman" the same way that the current Batman franchise is "Nolan´s Batman". There will be writers and a director who´ll give their input as well, Nolan is simply overlooking it, using his credibility to help get the project off the ground, cuz WB is shaky about it right now. They need a talent they feel confident about giving his input, and right now Nolan is the one.maybe like Peter Jackson finding Neil Blomkamp? maybe Nolan will find a young unknown director with talent? that would be more interesting.

[ultimatefan]

maybe like Peter Jackson finding Neil Blomkamp? maybe Nolan will find a young unknown director with talent? that would be more interesting.

It could very much be that.

[jmc]

No, I agree with dark_b that Superman is not a good fit for Nolan the director. He's explicitly shown that he likes obsessive protagonists, and unless Superman has some hidden facet within him, he's not broody obsessive the way Nolan likes.

But I still think Nolan would be a valuable asset to have on board, because of the way he was able to adapt the decades of source material into a film that also stood on its own merits.

No one said anything about directing, hell I'd admit he's not the first I'd turn to for directing and honestly I don't think Nolan would direct it, but if we're talking simply about having a skilled film maker on board who can give some guidance then I don't see the negative, in fact it's only going to be a positive because let's face it, Superman is yesterday's hero.

[dark_b]

No, I agree with dark_b that Superman is not a good fit for Nolan the director. He's explicitly shown that he likes obsessive protagonists, and unless Superman has some hidden facet within him, he's not broody obsessive the way Nolan likes.

But I still think Nolan would be a valuable asset to have on board, because of the way he was able to adapt the decades of source material into a film that also stood on its own merits.even if Nolan would do sueprman it wouldnt be like Burton doing superman. Nolan's style is not so extreme for superman like Burton's :yay:.if Nolan would direct i wouldnt complain for 2 years that i dont want it to be realistic. Nolan is smart enough that superman needs to fly. every superman movie until now had a realistic Metropolis. a city that could exist.

i think WB wants to work with Nolan on superman because they think he can show them the secret formula. but IMO there is no secret formula.

[dark_b]

No one said anything about directing, hell I'd admit he's not the first I'd turn to for directing and honestly I don't think Nolan would direct it, but if we're talking simply about having a skilled film maker on board who can give some guidance then I don't see the negative, in fact it's only going to be a positive because let's face it, Superman is yesterday's hero.but i was never against that. :yay:

[Ring Deacon]

You know this could really open the door for the JLA movie if done right. I know people will say that Nolan's Batman is the only superhero in that universe. But we don't know that for sure. Look Nolan like to use the comics as a source for his stories. If he uses John Byrne's Superman: The Man of Steel, then you have your reboot story where Batman came first in the DC universe.

So in Batman 3 mention that Metropolis now has a hero too. Show a copy of the Daily Planet on Bruce's desk or something with Superman on the front page. Then in Superman begins or whatever have the sceen from Man of Steel where Superman and Batman meet.

In Man of Steel Batman is being hunted by the Gotham Police and Superman goes to catch him. He finds that Batman is a hero and leaves him alone.

[Anita18]

i think WB wants to work with Nolan on superman because they think he can show them the secret formula. but IMO there is no secret formula.
I don't think you could bottle TDK's box office success, but there is a method to making the kind of successful comic book adaptation TDK was. And I think that's what WB is going for.

maybe like Peter Jackson finding Neil Blomkamp? maybe Nolan will find a young unknown director with talent? that would be more interesting.
That would be amazing. :up:

[Anita18]

You know this could really open the door for the JLA movie if done right. I know people will say that Nolan's Batman is the only superhero in that universe. But we don't know that for sure. Look Nolan like to use the comics as a source for his stories. If he uses John Byrne's Superman: The Man of Steel, then you have your reboot story where Batman came first in the DC universe.
Well, not just "people," Nolan's pretty much said it outright. :oldrazz: For your reference:

Nolan: I don’t think our Batman, our Gotham, lends itself to that kind of cross-fertilization. It goes back to one of the first things we wrangled with when we first started putting the story together: Is this a world in which comic books already exist? Is this a world in which superheroes already exist? If you think of "Batman Begins" and you think of the philosophy of this character trying to reinvent himself as a symbol, we took the position -- we didn’t address it directly in the film, but we did take the position philosophically -- that superheroes simply don’t exist. If they did, if Bruce knew of Superman or even of comic books, then that’s a completely different decision that he’s making when he puts on a costume in an attempt to become a symbol. It’s a paradox and a conundrum, but what we did is go back to the very original concept and idea of the character. In his first appearances, he invents himself as a totally original creation.

GB: That doesn't lend itselt to having him swing on a rope across the Metropolis skyline.

Nolan: No, correct, it’s a different universe.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/christopher-n-2.html

If there is a crossover, then in order for them not to completely undo the ground work Nolan laid down with BB and TDK, then Batman WILL have to have been the first existing superhero. Before Supes, before WW, before GL or whoever else they have. I'm not even a huge fan of any of the other characters, and I don't know how I feel about that.

[Timstuff]

Putting Nolan's name on the poster with a producer credit is definitely a good way to get attention. They just need to make sure that they deliver a good movie, and market it properly.

[Ipodman]

Hmm... i thought "Man of Steel" was merely an extremely popular fan title
i remembered they had "Superman Unleashed" for the title at one point...

[ultimatefan]

I think it´s early now to think of any cross-polinization. The thing is to take the Superman franchise off the ground on its own first.

[Ipodman]

Well, The Incredible Hulk didnt make an insane amount of money... it isnt as prominent as TDK or even Ironman in pop culture... but its part of Avengers isnt it...

[MAN O STEEL]

My first ever poster, be gentle :hehe:.


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Steve

[griffolyon12]

In all honesty, I don't think that Nolan is right for Superman. He's a marvelous filmmaker and did a spectacular job with the Batman films, but Superman is a whole different machine from Batman and needs to be allowed to be more fantastical, not to be uber-realistic so he can fit into a modern day realm.

[Ipodman]

Great poster.... but the blood makes the movie seem too violent...:)

[MAN O STEEL]

In all honesty, I don't think that Nolan is right for Superman. He's a marvelous filmmaker and did a spectacular job with the Batman films, but Superman is a whole different machine from Batman and needs to be allowed to be more fantastical, not to be uber-realistic so he can fit into a modern day realm.



But your rediculous assumption is that Nolan is:

1. Directing, which he won't be, and
2. That just because he did Batman that somehow he won't understand Superman & end up making him dark.

Do you know why Batman begins & TDK were dark?, because the source material called for it, just as if Nolan were directing Superman, he'd base it around it's own source material i.e, Light, Adventurous, inspiring etc etc. Where ppl get this idea that because he did TDK & BB that he'll make everything else from here on in dark is simply beyond me.





Steve

[JokerLedger]

Marvel is doing a damn good job of setting the foundations leading up to an Avengers flick. I think the general movie-going public has approved of this idea after what they saw in The Inredible Hulk and the end credit scene in Iron-Man and they're dying to see all the Marvel heroes together in one flick.

WB is definately taking note of this and probably wants to do the same exact thing. This is one of the reasons why DC Entertainment was formed. Now, I wouldn't be surprised if the execs at WB/DCE discussed this idea with Nolan and in my opinion, I think Chris approves of a Justice League movie. I know before he said that his Batman franchise was a different beast entirely but maybe he changed his mind?

Somewhere in a meeting room WB execs probably said "Look, we want to reboot Superman but we're also interested in a Justice League movie but we have to figure out how to mesh your Batman with the rest of our heroes (Superman, Green Lantern). If we let you oversee a Superman movie, can you figure out a way to make Superman and Batman exist in the same universe? Oh and by the way, here's a couple millions dollars in advance. Go ahead, just take it."


The title for the reboot should just be 'Superman' with the sequel titled 'Man of Steel'.

[Mr. Earle]

Well, not just "people," Nolan's pretty much said it outright. :oldrazz: For your reference:



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/christopher-n-2.html

If there is a crossover, then in order for them not to completely undo the ground work Nolan laid down with BB and TDK, then Batman WILL have to have been the first existing superhero. Before Supes, before WW, before GL or whoever else they have. I'm not even a huge fan of any of the other characters, and I don't know how I feel about that.I understand where Nolan is coming from. He wanted to rationalise why a real man would dress up like a bat and fight crime. He wanted to become a symbol of justice and hope for the good, and a fearful and demonic monster for the wicked.

In a world of superheroes where its normal to dress up and fight crime, Bruce's path would be less innovative. Everybody does it, what's so special about him, right?
But i think that Nolan's point still stands. Many people become superheroes but very few do it to become a symbol of hope for their decadent city. Most of them start doing it because they happen to have powers, or to solve one of their problems (ex: revenge). But Bruce could have had any life he wanted, but he chose to become batman for certain reasons, and those didnt involve "other's do it, why cant I?".

In other words, placing Bruce in a wider DC Universe takes away that "why would a man dress like a bat in real life" element (because it isnt real life anymore, but the DCU), but at the same time it opens the floodgates for so much more. The nolanverse could easily be part of the DCU if we assume that Nolan just forgot to mention other heroes.

In any case, maybe after Schumacher the franchise needed everything to make sense, to be realistic and rationalised, but not anymore. The GA is much more open to superhero movies nowadays and can accept the weirder concepts of the genre. Besides, even Nolan's rationalization doesnt stand when you think that Bruce could have trained 50 ninjas to do his bidding who he'd coordinate them from his cave. Or maybe fund GPD. Or run for mayor/president. Etc.

[GreenKToo]

My first ever poster, be gentle :hehe:.


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Steve
Now THAT"S what i'm talking about. :eek: :up:

[GreenKToo]

I understand where Nolan is coming from. He wanted to rationalise why a real man would dress up like a bat and fight crime. He wanted to become a symbol of justice and hope for the good, and a fearful and demonic monster for the wicked.

In a world of superheroes where its normal to dress up and fight crime, Bruce's path would be less innovative. Everybody does it, what's so special about him, right?
But i think that Nolan's point still stands. Many people become superheroes but very few do it to become a symbol of hope for their decadent city. Most of them start doing it because they happen to have powers, or to solve one of their problems (ex: revenge). But Bruce could have had any life he wanted, but he chose to become batman for certain reasons, and those didnt involve "other's do it, why cant I?".

In other words, placing Bruce in a wider DC Universe takes away that "why would a man dress like a bat in real life" element (because it isnt real life anymore, but the DCU), but at the same time it opens the floodgates for so much more. The nolanverse could easily be part of the DCU if we assume that Nolan just forgot to mention other heroes.

In any case, maybe after Schumacher the franchise needed everything to make sense, to be realistic and rationalised, but not anymore. The GA is much more open to superhero movies nowadays and can accept the weirder concepts of the genre. Besides, even Nolan's rationalization doesnt stand when you think that Bruce could have trained 50 ninjas to do his bidding who he'd coordinate them from his cave. Or maybe fund GPD. Or run for mayor/president. Etc.
I kinda like the idea that Batman would inspire others to become heroes as well. Yes I know that Superman was first, but IF you wanted to combine Batman and Superman's worlds, Batman would just about have to be first. I would have no problem with that.

[Bruce_Begins]

No, I agree with dark_b that Superman is not a good fit for Nolan the director. He's explicitly shown that he likes obsessive protagonists, and unless Superman has some hidden facet within him, he's not broody obsessive the way Nolan likes

I think Superman may not be Dark and brooding as Batman, but he is an obsessive character alright, he is obessed with his own set of values and code of justice,and being a Big Blue Boy Scout even at the cost of putting himself in danger, he just doesn't know to give up (like Batman.)

Nolan can take the core essence of the character, drawing from comics, Animated series and various Superman writers like Grant Morrison and Geoff Johns to guide the movie in the right direction.

[Mr. Earle]

I kinda like the idea that Batman would inspire others to become heroes as well. Yes I know that Superman was first, but IF you wanted to combine Batman and Superman's worlds, Batman would just about have to be first. I would have no problem with that.If they re going to place the two heroes in the same Universe, they might as well place them in the DCU with its thousands of heroes. Why complicate things with issues like "who was first", "who thought of it first", and so on. As i said, being in a world of spandex clad superheroes might make it less original, but it doesnt change the reason/justification for Bruce's path.

Besides, I'd love to see some cameos in the movies of the A-listers.

[terry78]

A current trend nowadays is taking characters that have normally always been fun and light-hearted and somewhat using the deconstruction angle. Singer did that with SR, and it didn't turn out as top notch as we craved, but it depends. People ***** that Superman is boring, so writers have to figure ways around it.

[R_Hythlodeus]

The title "Superman Starts" would nicely mirror BB. :D
I'm sure Nolan knows what he is doing.

But then, I was sure about Singer knowing what he was doing before I saw what he was doing

[Crook]

There cant be much of a discussion with Brainiac. He's all: "I'll record everything from your planet as i did with Krypton and then ka-boom!"
He has no morality or opinion on matters. He can only offer info about Krypton.
Well that's a whole crapload of things to talk about, don't you think? :funny:

Mr. Smith was incredibly robotic in nature, but that didn't stop him from being a memorable villain.


If there is a crossover, then in order for them not to completely undo the ground work Nolan laid down with BB and TDK, then Batman WILL have to have been the first existing superhero. Before Supes, before WW, before GL or whoever else they have. I'm not even a huge fan of any of the other characters, and I don't know how I feel about that.
What's wrong with it? So they make a little switch, instead of Supes inspiring everyone else...it's Bats. I don't see any sort of radical repercussions from that alteration.

A current trend nowadays is taking characters that have normally always been fun and light-hearted and somewhat using the deconstruction angle. Singer did that with SR, and it didn't turn out as top notch as we craved, but it depends. People ***** that Superman is boring, so writers have to figure ways around it.
Correction, he didn't deconstruct s**t with SR. We were led to believe so, but it was completely non-existent in the film.

[Bad Superman]

The title "Superman Starts" would nicely mirror BB. :D
I'm sure Nolan knows what he is doing.

But then, I was sure about Singer knowing what he was doing before I saw what he was doing

The thing is that Nolan has proven twice he knows what he's doing. :word:

[Man of Tomorrow]

Forget about JLA.


But "World's Finest" is a definite possibility after this reboot.


I think any chance of JL would depend on how well Avengers comes off. Keep in mind "Green Lantern" was conceptualized in DIRECT response to Iron Man's success.

[Bad Superman]

Forget about JLA.


But "World's Finest" is a definite possibility after this reboot.


I think any chance of JL would depend on how well Avengers comes off. Keep in mind "Green Lantern" was conceptualized in DIRECT response to Iron Man's success.

I would prefer a World's Finest film than a JLA's. In the long run I would love to see a well made JLA film, but World's Finest is a must.

[Mr. Earle]

Well that's a whole crapload of things to talk about, don't you think? :funny:

Mr. Smith was incredibly robotic in nature, but that didn't stop him from being a memorable villain.You make a great point! :up:
What's wrong with it? So they make a little switch, instead of Supes inspiring everyone else...it's Bats. I don't see any sort of radical repercussions from that alteration.Superman wasnt the first superhero in the DCU so he didnt inspire all the others to wear spandex. In the real world though i think he actually was the first superhero.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I would prefer a World's Finest film than a JLA's. In the long run I would love to see a well made JLA film, but World's Finest is a must.


True, there's much more psychological stuff they can do with the dichotomy between Superman and Batman. They are two sides of the same coin. They are the archetypes of every superhero that followed.


A JLA movie would be fun, but popcorn fluff in comparison.

[kalelkilla]

With the world the Nolan created in the Batman franchise, someone like Superman just doesn't exist. I hate to break it to you all. Nolan doesn't even think Robin could exist in his world of Batman, so there is no way anyone like Superman would. I don't think there will be a crossover movie anytime soon, but I do trust in Nolan with rebooting the Superman franchise. I think it's great news.

[FaT_tONle]

I don't want a Superman Begins type movie, just keep MOS as the working title and don't devote 20 minutes to the origin and background. The sequel will probably be a Batman/Superman movie anyway so I wouldn't worry about saving the title. The sequel titles can be based off the premise of the film.

With the world the Nolan created in the Batman franchise, someone like Superman just doesn't exist. I hate to break it to you all. Nolan doesn't even think Robin could exist in his world of Batman, so there is no way anyone like Superman would. I don't think there will be a crossover movie anytime soon, but I do trust in Nolan with rebooting the Superman franchise. I think it's great news.

I think Nolan had a change of heart after having a long sit down with Nelson, Robinov, and the rest of WB. I'll be shocked if they don't allude to Metropolis or Lex Corp in BB3, as long as Superman is penciled in for sure for 2013 or latest... 2014. Don't be suprised if there is a cameo.

[Catman]

Where's Showtime? Any word on when WB is gonna make this official?

[Crook]

With the world the Nolan created in the Batman franchise, someone like Superman just doesn't exist. I hate to break it to you all. Nolan doesn't even think Robin could exist in his world of Batman, so there is no way anyone like Superman would.
Hate to break it to you, but Nolan never said that about Robin.

[Sam]

Origin of Superman is NOT just krypton explodes.

Origin of Superman is EVERYTHING that happens between Krypton and Clark wears costume for the first time.

Thats why this MUST be a origin story. Even if they take a non-linear approach to tell it, but it must be an origin.

[dark_knight08]

:super:I hope Christopher Nolan keeps Brandon Routh to play Superman.
And maybe Christian Bale should play Batman to make a World's Finest movie.

[Sam]

My first ever poster, be gentle :hehe:.


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Steve

I love DC vs Mortal Kombat! heh

[FilmNerdJamie]

Amazes me how Nolan directing Batman 3 has been completely over-shadowed by his "mentoring" the next Superman movie.

[Bad Superman]

Where's Showtime? Any word on when WB is gonna make this official?

I expect an update with, hopefully, a confirmation sometime today. WB has to know something about the fans reaction by now. . . .Or Im I overestimating WB? :woot:

[GreenKToo]

I would prefer a World's Finest film than a JLA's. In the long run I would love to see a well made JLA film, but World's Finest is a must.
I agree. Imagine Superman and Batman Vs Lex, Joker, Metallo, and maybe Soloman Grundy.
Have Lex and Joker reverse their roles and each takes on the others foil.
Joker to Metropolis and Lex to Gotham.

Batman wouldnt be used to dealing with a corporate Villain like Lex, who uses lawyers and such for protection, and Superman wouldnt be used to dealing with someone as insane as the Joker.
Grundy could be Jokers muscle and protection from Superman, Metallo would be Lex's.

[Bad Superman]

I agree. Imagine Superman and Batman Vs Lex, Joker, Metallo, and maybe Soloman Grundy.
Have Lex and Joker reverse their roles and each takes on the others foil.
Joker to Metropolis and Lex to Gotham.

Batman wouldnt be used to dealing with a corporate Villain like Lex, who uses lawyers and such for protection, and Superman wouldnt be used to dealing with someone as insane as the Joker.
Grundy could be Jokers muscle and protection from Superman, Metallo would be Lex's.

That's a pretty cool idea. After yesterday's announcement the possibilities are limitless.

[Christopher Nolan]

i hope nolan stays away from superman..

[Excel]

the blood makes the movie seem too violent...:)

Thanks Bryan Singer.

[kalelkilla]

Hate to break it to you, but Nolan never said that about Robin.

Just Google it dude, it's everywhere. As long as he is directing, Robin doesn't exist.

[GreenKToo]

Nolan is possibily our last best chance to see Superman again..at least for a long long time.
And i'm not willing to wait a long time again, so I say GO NOLAN.

[Showtime]

Where's Showtime? Any word on when WB is gonna make this official?

Who?

Something IS coming. I know that is vague. I can tell you it is supposed to involve Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Flash.

[GreenKToo]

anything forthcoming superman related?

[FilmNerdJamie]

http://symonsez.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/gomer-pyle.jpg

"SHAZAM!"

[redfirebird2008]

Batman wouldnt be used to dealing with a corporate Villain like Lex, who uses lawyers and such for protection...


http://i47.tinypic.com/rv96hg.jpg

[SuperMike335!!]

[QUOTE=SuperMike335!!;18045388]Would you prefer a sequel to SR?

[QUOTE]

Better question: why do you think an Sr sequel is the only option to rehashing STAS for the big screen?

Here's an idea: instead of wanting to rehash 1990's superman, lets have a director make superman that's actually...gasp....new.



No No,

Where did I say that?

I asked you a question, not said they need to re-hash STAS.

You just bashed it, and I said I liked it.

Completely different.

I've suggested it be used as "a template", not just a re-hash, or a carbon copy straight to film.

The reason I suggested it, just as a template, is that to me if felt like a good assembly of the last 2 decades of comics. Which also should be heavily taken from, vs. silver age material.

[GreenKToo]

http://symonsez.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/gomer-pyle.jpg

"SHAZAM!"
LOl. well GOOL-LEEE!!

[FaT_tONle]

I agree. Imagine Superman and Batman Vs Lex, Joker, Metallo, and maybe Soloman Grundy.
Have Lex and Joker reverse their roles and each takes on the others foil.
Joker to Metropolis and Lex to Gotham.

Batman wouldnt be used to dealing with a corporate Villain like Lex, who uses lawyers and such for protection, and Superman wouldnt be used to dealing with someone as insane as the Joker.
Grundy could be Jokers muscle and protection from Superman, Metallo would be Lex's.

I say Lex and Talia Al Ghul. Maybe Metallo for some meat. Talia only if it's connected to Nolan's universe though. If they end up getting a new Batman then I don't give a **** who the villain is. I wouldn't be that hyped for a WF movie anyway. May as well skip to JLA if that's the case.

[redfirebird2008]

I say Lex and Talia Al Ghul. Maybe Metallo for some meat. Talia only if it's connected to Nolan's universe though. If they end up getting a new Batman then I don't give a **** who the villain is. I wouldn't be that hyped for a WF movie anyway. May as well skip to JLA if that's the case.

I will be very surprised if Bale wants to keep playing Batman in a bunch of crossover/spinoff movies. Most actors don't like being typecast.

[bunk]

Who?

Something IS coming. I know that is vague. I can tell you it is supposed to involve Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Flash.

Not GL though?

[GreenKToo]

http://i47.tinypic.com/rv96hg.jpg

That was basically a kidnapping. ( not that it wasnt justified mind you)
I'm talking about having Batman dealing with a person/villain like Lex day in and day out that uses the law to hide behind. Sure, Bruce is used to corporate villains since he runs wayne industries, but Batman doesnt use lawyers, or for that matter, the law itself. (see above pic)
Lex is every bit as rich and powerful as Bruce, so I doubt Batman could treat him like he would a riddler or Joker.
Keep in mind Lex has friends in high places as well.

[solidsnake86]

Amazes me how Nolan directing Batman 3 has been completely over-shadowed by his "mentoring" the next Superman movie.

I guess people have already made up in there minds that nolan was coming back, regardless if he was on the fence about it, so it's not as surprising as this. Even though I hate taking message boards as a sample because half the people are delusional on here, it really does show the potential in the superman property if done right.

[Daybreak_st]

Slightly off topic but did anyone see the Forgotten last night? It was all about Pakour/Free running. About as close to superhero looking as something can get in the real world. I could see Dick Grayson being portrayed in that way and still working in the Nolan universse. Even if he doesn't wear the Robiin uniform until he's older. Just a thought.

[FaT_tONle]

I will be very surprised if Bale wants to keep playing Batman in a bunch of crossover/spinoff movies. Most actors don't like being typecast.

They can get a WF cross over from him. This is the guy that worked with McG for Salvation, so keep that in mind. JLA would be pushing it, but that can probably stand as a separate franchise. Plus I would think they'd want to do some more solo movies prior to that so it's a ways away. I think it will depend on the success of the next Superman movie. If it garners respect from every media and fan outlet similar to BB/IM, then they will definitely push for the film.

[GreenKToo]

Who?

Something IS coming. I know that is vague. I can tell you it is supposed to involve Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Flash.
It sounds like a JL announcement to me.

[redfirebird2008]

That was basically a kidnapping. ( not that it wasnt justified mind you)
I'm talking about having Batman dealing with a person/villain like Lex day in and day out that uses the law to hide behind. Sure, Bruce is used to corporate villains since he runs wayne industries, but Batman doesnt use lawyers, or for that matter, the law itself. (see above pic)
Lex is every bit as rich and powerful as Bruce, so I doubt Batman could treat him like he would a riddler or Joker.
Keep in mind Lex has friends in high places as well.


Kidnapping, yes. That's kinda the point I was making. He doesn't give a crap about whether some corporate douche is trying to hide behind lawyers. He'll just kidnap the turd. :hehe:

I think the Joker places more fear in Batman's heart than anyone else.

[Showtime]

Not GL though?

They might mention that, but they're already in production on it?

[ALKAL]

The Walt Disney Company (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/disney_walt_company/index.html?inline=nyt-org)’s $4 billion purchase of Marvel Entertainment just over a month ago has increased the pressure on Warner to succeed this time. Warner is expected to announce a DC slate in the coming months populated by characters like the Flash and Wonder Woman.“He is trying not to cling to the things that have worked in the past,” said Christopher Nolan, who directed “The Dark Knight” and is working on another Batman sequel.http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/10/business/media/10warner.html?pagewanted=1

[ultimatefan]

I hope they won´t try to resurrect that JL movie George Miller was making. That script sounded all wrong to me, and I think at least big guns like Supes, Flash and WW should have their solo franchises on firm ground before that.

[redfirebird2008]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/10/business/media/10warner.html?pagewanted=1


Good article. Thanks for posting it. It's always interesting to read the behind-the-scenes corporate stuff.

[GreenKToo]

JMHO, but I think it would be best to have Flash and W.W. in a J.L. film with Superman, Batman, and after the GL film.
There is Way less risk of their solo films tanking if they went that path.
It makes no difference to me either way tho, i'm just thinking out loud.

[bunk]

They might mention that, but they're already in production on it?

I probably read too much into your post. I was thinking an announcement about a more connected DC movie universe.

[Man of Tomorrow]

THESE ARE ALL SOLO FILMS.



NOT Justice League. Just to clarify.

[GreenKToo]

I think its either that, or like I said before, JL.
I'd be ecstatic if we get
superman
Batman III
GL ( we know about)
Flash
W.W.
Then J.L.

To be honest, i'm fearful about how a solo Flash and W.w. film would do..Of the two I think Flash would have the best chance to succeed.

[Showtime]

I'm talking solo ventures.

[rocco2216]

1. its not bad
2. its the same pattern like in the 90s with Burton
3. what makes Nolan better for sueprman then anyother director?

Nolan was the right guy for batman not for the comicbook movies in general.

Except Burton was brought in to direct not to be a creative consultant. And his Batman movies were mediocre.

[FilmNerdJamie]

You don't know what you're talking about, Showtime!

[dark_b]

Except Burton was brought in to direct not to be a creative consultant. And his Batman movies were mediocre.yes lets start bashing Burton now. :whatever:

[matrix_ghost]

This may have been asked here. Ifso i apologise but..

With this news of Nolan supervising the development of the reboot , when exactly will WB release the movie. A superman movie is quite huge in scale and think that you need at least 2 years to develop the movie. Nolan doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would want to make a movie with an incomplete script ( sorta like how spider-man 2 and TR:ROTF) were made.
It will definately take some time to finish the script. But i assume that both Nolan and WB are aware of the rights reverting back to the siegels ( right ?) in 2013.
So does that mean that WB is hoping to release the superman sequel in 2012 , meaning that they would need to start work right now.

Or will WB and Nolan go for a complete reboot with new elements ? I think that some of the storyelements such as the kent farm etc will revert back to the siegel but not everything.

Or are Nolan and WB quietly negotiating with the siegels to make the movie ?

[Bad Superman]

Except Burton was brought in to direct not to be a creative consultant. And his Batman movies were mediocre.

Actually I enjoyed his two Batman films. IMO they were very well done, with the exception of Joker getting killed.

[Bad Superman]

This may have been asked here. Ifso i apologise but..

With this news of Nolan supervising the development of the reboot , when exactly will WB release the movie. A superman movie is quite huge in scale and think that you need at least 2 years to develop the movie. Nolan doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would want to make a movie with an incomplete script ( sorta like how spider-man 2 and TR:ROTF) were made.
It will definately take some time to finish the script. But i assume that both Nolan and WB are aware of the rights reverting back to the siegels ( right ?) in 2013.
So does that mean that WB is hoping to release the superman sequel in 2012 , meaning that they would need to start work right now.

Or will WB and Nolan go for a complete reboot with new elements ? I think that some of the storyelements such as the kent farm etc will revert back to the siegel but not everything.

Or are Nolan and WB quietly negotiating with the siegels to make the movie ?

If Im not mistaken, before 2013.

[rocco2216]

yes lets start bashing Burton now. :whatever:

I'm not bashing Tim Burton. I think he's a good director. I think they were good films but just mediocre BATMAN films, not bad, but not great either. If Nolan is what it takes for WB to make a Superman film then so be it lol. :word: They must also love what Nolan has done with Inception and what he came up with for Batman 3.

[Nirvana]

Amazing news for sure. :up:

[rocco2216]

If Im not mistaken, before 2013.


Well to be more specific, WB loses the rights in October 2013. And I'm sure WB sees Superman more as a summer film than a holiday film, especially with Nolan on board now. So it'll come out summer 2012 or summer 2013. That's what I think anyway.

[Showtime]

You don't know what you're talking about, Showtime!

That's for sure.

[Showtime]

Well to be more specific, WB loses the rights in October 2013. And I'm sure WB sees Superman more as a summer film than a holiday film, especially with Nolan on board now. So it'll come out summer 2012 or summer 2013. That's what I think anyway.

You can't possibly think that WB is going to lose the rights to the character. Stop. If WB was afraid of losing the rights, they wouldn't be going forward with another Superman. They don't want another Watchmen or Hobbit on their hands.

[redfirebird2008]

I'm not bashing Tim Burton. I think he's a good director. I think they were good films but just mediocre BATMAN films, not bad, but not great either. If Nolan is what it takes for WB to make a Superman film then so be it lol. :word: They must also love what Nolan has done with Inception and what he came up with for Batman 3.

Good point. Superman is a superhero property, but it is also a sci-fi property. Nolan has dabbled in sci-fi a bit with The Prestige, but other than that he has avoided it. Methinks he has the goods big time with Inception. I don't know whether that will translate at the box office or not. It looks like one of those movies that will be amazing but will completely fly over the heads of a summer audience.

[FaT_tONle]

Well to be more specific, WB loses the rights in October 2013. And I'm sure WB sees Superman more as a summer film than a holiday film, especially with Nolan on board now. So it'll come out summer 2012 or summer 2013. That's what I think anyway.

They are still going to have to buy out the Siegel law suit for future films. If they command like 10-15 % and the movie does a little better than SR numbers we could be back to square one.

[rocco2216]

Good point. Superman is a superhero property, but it is also a sci-fi property. Nolan has dabbled in sci-fi a bit with The Prestige, but other than that he has avoided it. Methinks he has the goods big time with Inception. I don't know whether that will translate at the box office or not. It looks like one of those movies that will be amazing but will completely fly over the heads of a summer audience.

Inception is also sci-fi.

[redfirebird2008]

Inception is also sci-fi.

That's exactly the point I was making. It hasn't been released yet, but I think WB must be pretty happy with it for them to be confident in him dealing with Superman.

[rocco2216]

They are still going to have to buy out the Siegel law suit for future films. If they command like 10-15 % and the movie does a little better than SR numbers we could be back to square one.

But they can prevent that lawsuit. Yeah either way they'll have to pay them, but if they can avoid that lawsuit then they can pay less than they have to.

[Showtime]

But they can prevent that lawsuit. Yeah either way they'll have to pay them, but if they can avoid that lawsuit then they can pay less than they have to.

There will be a settlement.

[rocco2216]

You can't possibly think that WB is going to lose the rights to the character. Stop. If WB was afraid of losing the rights, they wouldn't be going forward with another Superman. They don't want another Watchmen or Hobbit on their hands.


So you're saying they'll buy the rights back before they revert back to the families in Oct 2013? If Nolan is doing this while directing Batman 3 I just figured it'll be out in 2012 or 2013. I wouldn't think they would want to wait till after the rights expire.

[MAN O STEEL]

Another one I just finished. :O


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Steve

[rocco2216]

There will be a settlement.

I know that but can they extend the rights and settle before Oct 2013?

[matrix_ghost]

Well to be more specific, WB loses the rights in October 2013. And I'm sure WB sees Superman more as a summer film than a holiday film, especially with Nolan on board now. So it'll come out summer 2012 or summer 2013. That's what I think anyway.

Hmm....so there may be hope after all.
I had posted this in tha batman forums.
Basically i think that if Nolan has asked his borther and goyer to work on the script for the 3rd batman movie ,chances are that we'll see the next batman movie in JUly of 2012.
WB has a habit of sticking their high profile movies on dates which they think will be very profitable. The July month especially has been a favorite of them.
2007 Harry Potter and the Order Of the Phoenix ( WW BO over 900 mil) , 2008 TDK ( 1 billion WW), 2009 Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince ( again over 900 million WW).....also Inception will be released in July of this year.
So i do think that WB will probably release Batman 3 in July of 2012.

Although no official annoucements have been made yet from the development of sherlock holmes and Horn or Robinov's comments we know that hobbit will be delayed from it's december 2011 launch. Again coming back to specific release dates , given that all 3 LOTR movies have had huge success in december WB will most likely release the 1st and 2nd hobbit movie in december ( of 2012 & 2013).

But if the copyright revert back in oct of 2013 WB may yet have enough time to make at least one superman movie and release it in July of 2013.

[GreenKToo]

I'm talking solo ventures.
Ahhh sweet. Its about fraking time huh.

[dark_b]

That's exactly the point I was making. It hasn't been released yet, but I think WB must be pretty happy with it for them to be confident in him dealing with Superman.the movie has no connection to Superman. because its scifi?
whats next? Inception has cars and Superman will have cars in Metropolis?

so now is Nolan already a scifi expert :hehe::awesome:

[rocco2216]

Hmm....so there may be hope after all.
I had posted this in tha batman forums.
Basically i think that if Nolan has asked his borther and goyer to work on the script for the 3rd batman movie ,chances are that we'll see the next batman movie in JUly of 2012.
WB has a habit of sticking their high profile movies on dates which they think will be very profitable. The July month especially has been a favorite of them.
2007 Harry Potter and the Order Of the Phoenix ( WW BO over 900 mil) , 2008 TDK ( 1 billion WW), 2009 Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince ( again over 900 million WW).....also Inception will be released in July of this year.
So i do think that WB will probably release Batman 3 in July of 2012.

Although no official annoucements have been made yet from the development of sherlock holmes and Horn or Robinov's comments we know that hobbit will be delayed from it's december 2011 launch. Again coming back to specific release dates , given that all 3 LOTR movies have had huge success in december WB will most likely release the 1st and 2nd hobbit movie in december ( of 2012 & 2013).

But if the copyright revert back in oct of 2013 WB may yet have enough time to make at least one superman movie and release it in July of 2013.

Well since they'll settle WB will make more than one Superman film. :yay:

[rocco2216]

the movie has no connection to Superman. because its scifi?
whats next? Inception has cars and Superman will have cars in Metropolis?

so now is Nolan already a scifi expert :hehe::awesome:

No not an expert but he has the chops. Doing two sci-fi and comic book films gave him the experience to possibly come up with a great story for a sci-fi superhero film. Where did you get the cars from? What the hell do cars have to do with sci-fi? Do you know what Inception is about?

[FaT_tONle]

I know that but can they extend the rights and settle before Oct 2013?

To my understanding, as long as they have it in development by January they avoid the lawsuit. I don't know if the Siegels can get more $ than they are already owed for a summer 2013 film, but depending on the success of the film, they will drive up their percentage to a point where WB feels it's not worth it. I know it's Superman, but look what happened to the Narnia franchise at Disney. That should have been their HP franchise. Instead, it fell a little below expectations due to a bad release date and they had to give it up because the owners drove up the percentage after the first one made huge bank.

[dark_b]

There will be a settlement.yes.

wasnt there info that WB has some parts of superman 100% by all laws? this ''family'' can only get the first comics right? they can not even get some characters.

what will they do? sell it to marvel? Siegels want money and they will get it. end of story.:awesome:

[rocco2216]

To my understanding, as long as they have it in development by January they avoid the lawsuit. I don't know if the Siegels can get more $ than they are already owed for a summer 2013 film, but depending on the success of the film, they will drive up their percentage to a point where WB feels it's not worth it. I know it's Superman, but look what happened to the Narnia franchise at Disney. That should have been their HP franchise. Instead, it fell a little below expectations due to a bad release date and they had to give it up because the owners drove up the percentage after the first one made huge bank.

I don't think it has to be January 2011, just sometime in 2011 period.

[Showtime]

I know that but can they extend the rights and settle before Oct 2013?

You should read the documents again.

Ahhh sweet. Its about fraking time huh.

Yes. It is.

[dark_b]

No not an expert but he has the chops. Doing two sci-fi and comic book films gave him the experience to possibly come up with a great story for a sci-fi superhero film. Where did you get the cars from? What the hell do cars have to do with sci-fi? Do you know what Inception is about?cars are an idiotic example because this is how some fans work on the internet.

because Spielberg,Cameron and Jackson worked on big budget movies because of that they are the perfect directors for superman. thats what some fans think. so i used cars as an iditotic example.

[rocco2216]

cars are an idiotic example because this is how some fans work on the internet.

because Spielberg,Cameron and Jackson worked on big budget movies because of that they are the perfect directors for superman. thats what some fans think. so i used cars as an iditotic example.

Not perfect, but they wouldn't be bad choices. And Chris Nolan is not directing. And no fan is thinking that way at all LOL.

[rocco2216]

[QUOTE=Showtime;18047301]You should read the documents again.


So is that a yes? Would you mind posting them please. I know they'll settle, but the real question is WHEN.

[dark_b]

Not perfect, but they wouldn't be bad choices. And Chris Nolan is not directing. And no fan is thinking that way at all LOL.you think those directors who are so big in hollywood would listen to fans and would do an adaptation?

fans still didnt learn from Burton(superman) and James Cameron(spiderman)?

[rocco2216]

you think those directors who are so big in hollywood would listen to fans and would do an adaptation?

fans still didnt learn from Burton(superman) and James Cameron(spiderman)?

With Chris Nolan on board, yeah maybe. James Cameron wouldn't now cause he's got his own franchise with Avatar and has no interest in Superman.

[Ursa]

I guess Nolan could pick David Goyer to co-write and directed Superman.

[Showtime]

cars are an idiotic example because this is how some fans work on the internet.

because Spielberg,Cameron and Jackson worked on big budget movies because of that they are the perfect directors for superman. thats what some fans think. so i used cars as an iditotic example.

If Christopher Nolan is heavily involved with Superman, and isn't just a name to spark interest in Superman again, there is no way in hell they would bring in Spielberg, Cameron, Jackson...or anybody else of that caliber. So those fans who think that is going to happen with a heavily involved Nolan are dreaming.

The reason you bring in somebody like Nolan, IMO, is to serve as a mentor to a younger lesser known director. This is why when I was talking to Jamie yesterday, I felt like this Nolan leak was put out there to soften another announcement, ie an underwhelming writing team or director down the road. We'll see I guess.

[rocco2216]

I guess Nolan could pick David Goyer to co-write and directed Superman.

I wouldn't be surprised if after he's finished writing Batman 3 that Nolan suggests him to write Superman. David Goyer did help write Batman Begins and wrote Blade 1 and 2 and The Crow: City of Angels. So he does have a love and understanding for comics and comic book movies.

[redfirebird2008]

This is why when I was talking to Jamie yesterday, I felt like this Nolan leak was put out there to soften another announcement, ie an underwhelming writing team or director down the road. We'll see I guess.

That's probably a good prediction on your part. I do think or hope that if Nolan is heavily involved, whoever he gives a thumbs up to in writing or directing will be good. Maybe not well-known, but good. Nolan himself wasn't well-known either when he first started, but he made a couple of awesome indie flicks and before you knew it he was on his way to revitalizing Batman. It would be cool if he can get Jonah to write it, although obviously Jonah is going to be busy with Batman for a while just like Chris.

[Excel]

I'd be surprised if Wonder Woman happens any time soon (within the next 5 years). As bad as this sounds, there is no actress who can carry an actioner by herself and make it successful.

Supermans got the most potential in all dems and quads of the market. If I was Nolan, I would look for a director who needs this movie. Similar to how Michael Bay *needed* Transformers to be a hit with audiences because his last few movies has dissappointed, including his most recent being a collosal bomb. I think W.B. should try to seriously woe a guy like Peter Jackson to this. The Lovely Bones has been a big failure, and Kong was a dissappointment before that. Superman could be ideal material for him to reestablish himself.

It all really depends on just how in depth Nolan is involved. If he is going to be on the set weekly, and be very hands on...than obviously they'll be going for a lesser known director. If he is just there to serve as early guidance and help get it off the ground, I think a bigger name would possible.

[Showtime]

With Chris Nolan on board, yeah maybe. James Cameron wouldn't now cause he's got his own franchise with Avatar and has no interest in Superman.

He wasn't going to be doing Superman anyway just like he wasn't going to be doing Spider-Man.

[Showtime]

I'd be surprised if Wonder Woman happens any time soon (within the next 5 years). As bad as this sounds, there is no actress who can carry an actioner by herself and make it successful.

Supermans got the most potential in all dems and quads of the market. If I was Nolan, I would look for a director who needs this movie. Similar to how Michael Bay *needed* Transformers to be a hit with audiences because his last few movies has dissappointed, including his most recent being a collosal bomb.

I think W.B. should try to seriously woe a guy like Peter Jackson to this. The Lovely Bones has been a big failure, and Kong was a dissappointment before that. Superman could be ideal material for him to reestablish himself.

Not if Nolan is deeply involved. They won't bring in a big gun like that. if they do, it means Nolan doesn't have his hands in it as deep as you would think.

[dark_b]

If Christopher Nolan is heavily involved with Superman, and isn't just a name to spark interest in Superman again, there is no way in hell they would bring in Spielberg, Cameron, Jackson...or anybody else of that caliber. So those fans who think that is going to happen with a heavily involved Nolan are dreaming.

The reason you bring in somebody like Nolan, IMO, is to serve as a mentor to a younger lesser known director. This is why when I was talking to Jamie yesterday, I felt like this Nolan leak was put out there to soften another announcement, ie an underwhelming writing team or director down the road. We'll see I guess.interesting.

[Dark Knight]

Have Chris Nolan mentor Zack Snyder to be the director.

I would have no problem with that set up! Some like ripping Snyder, but I still think Zack has tremendous upside as a director. Zack has said before that he wouldn't be that interested in doing Superman but with Nolan developing it, I'm sure Zack would be willing to work with Nolan to get this puppy up and running.

[Dark Knight]

Have Chris Nolan mentor Zack Snyder to be the director.

I would have no problem with that set up! Some like ripping Snyder, but I still think Zack has tremendous upside as a director. Zack has said before that he wouldn't be that interested in doing Superman but with Nolan developing it, I'm sure Zack would be willing to work with Nolan to get this puppy up and running.

[Showtime]

That's probably a good prediction on your part. I do think or hope that if Nolan is heavily involved, whoever he gives a thumbs up to in writing or directing will be good. Maybe not well-known, but good. Nolan himself wasn't well-known either when he first started, but he made a couple of awesome indie flicks and before you knew it he was on his way to revitalizing Batman. It would be cool if he can get Jonah to write it, although obviously Jonah is going to be busy with Batman for a while just like Chris.

Which is why they intentionally leaked this Nolan news. If you come out and say we have hired "Joe Schmoe" we would all be like wtf! If you announce Nolan is mentoring Superman and then announce "Joe Schmoe" is writing. Very different reaction. They call that smart marketing.

[redfirebird2008]

Zack "slow motion" Snyder doing a Superman movie? It was bad enough in Watchmen, but God help us all if he gets his hands on Supes. It will be the slow motion fest to end all slow motion fests.

[rocco2216]

If Christopher Nolan is heavily involved with Superman, and isn't just a name to spark interest in Superman again, there is no way in hell they would bring in Spielberg, Cameron, Jackson...or anybody else of that caliber. So those fans who think that is going to happen with a heavily involved Nolan are dreaming.

The reason you bring in somebody like Nolan, IMO, is to serve as a mentor to a younger lesser known director. This is why when I was talking to Jamie yesterday, I felt like this Nolan leak was put out there to soften another announcement, ie an underwhelming writing team or director down the road. We'll see I guess.

Maybe Chris Nolan will suggest David Goyer to write and direct. Yeah I know he did that for Blade Trinity, but with Nolan as a guide maybe it would be awesome. :word:

[Dark Knight]

Zack "slow motion" Snyder doing a Superman movie? It was bad enough in Watchmen, but God help us all if he gets his hands on Supes. It will be the slow motion fest to end all slow motion fests.






I didn't think Watchmen was bad at all...maybe a little long and some scenes could have been handled better.

However, with Nolan mentoring Snyder and suggesting to Snyder to ease up on the slow motion?

Your trying to tell me Chris Nolan mentoring Zack Snyder wouldn't help Snyders directing skills immensely?

[Excel]

it means Nolan doesn't have his hands in it as deep as you would think.

Which is probably the case. They want this film out in 2013 at the latest with a Batman movie in 2012. It is literally impossible for Nolan to be *that* hands on with Superman because be busy making a huge movie of his own. I doubt Nolans going to be "mentoring" anyone when he's busy making Batman 3. If he is, Batman 3 will likely suffer. I mean, I think Nolan, Bale, and co. by this point could make a good Batman movie in their sleep, but still.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Have Chris Nolan mentor Zack Snyder to be the director.

I would have no problem with that set up! Some like ripping Snyder, but I still think Zack has tremendous upside as a director. Zack has said before that he wouldn't be that interested in doing Superman but with Nolan developing it, I'm sure Zack would be willing to work with Nolan to get this puppy up and running.


That's ridiculous.


Zack Synder is horrible and there's no way they studio would have faith in him to helm this after the epic fail that was Watchmen.

Watchmen was a failure for Warner Bros.

The new director WILL be someone akin to Spider-man's Marc Webb.

An up and coming director who hasn't done a project like this before; that's why Nolan is in place to guide him.

[redfirebird2008]

I didn't think Watchmen was bad at all...maybe a little long and some scenes could have been handled better.

However, with Nolan mentoring Snyder and suggesting to Snyder to ease up on the slow motion?

Your trying to tell me Chris Nolan mentoring Zack Snyder wouldn't help Snyders directing skills immensely?


Ahem, I never said Watchmen was bad. I said the SLOW MOTION in Watchmen was bad. I wouldn't have a Doc Manhattan avatar if I didn't enjoy it. It was probably my favorite movie of 2009. Star Trek is up there too.

EDIT: Keep forgetting about Basterds. Basterds is definitely up there for my favorite of 2009.

[dark_b]

Have Chris Nolan mentor Zack Snyder to be the director.

I would have no problem with that set up! Some like ripping Snyder, but I still think Zack has tremendous upside as a director. Zack has said before that he wouldn't be that interested in doing Superman but with Nolan developing it, I'm sure Zack would be willing to work with Nolan to get this puppy up and running.fans start thinking outside the box. not every comicbook director needs to be a comicbook expert.

all of your favorite directors started in different genres.

[Ursa]

Not if Nolan is deeply involved. They won't bring in a big gun like that. if they do, it means Nolan doesn't have his hands in it as deep as you would think.

I agree. A big name could bring problems like "Edward Norton VS Kevin Feige" , "Sam Raimi VS Sony" or "Gavin Hood VS Tom Rothman", and you saw the results...

Nolan has the power, he'll have people from his team on board, that's why I think David Goyer has a strong chance.

[Dark Knight]

I still see directors like Zack Snyder, Frances Lawrence or Neil Bloonkamp ending up being the director of this Supes 3.0 with Nolan exec producing/mentoring.

My top choice to direct would be JJ Abrams still.....but chances of that happening are slim. Then again who would have thought Nolan would be involved in the Superman reboot?

[Dark Knight]

I still see directors like Zack Snyder, Frances Lawrence or Neil Bloonkamp ending up being the director of this Supes 3.0 with Nolan exec producing/mentoring.

My top choice to direct would be JJ Abrams still.....but chances of that happening are slim. Then again who would have thought Nolan would be involved in the Superman reboot?

[rocco2216]

Zack "slow motion" Snyder doing a Superman movie? It was bad enough in Watchmen, but God help us all if he gets his hands on Supes. It will be the slow motion fest to end all slow motion fests.


But the action would be awesome and we would see everything that's going on. I think the slow mo works at times. :word:

[redfirebird2008]

Then again who would have thought Nolan would be involved in the Superman reboot?

Apparently the big wigs at WB who worship Nolan? :hehe:

[Excel]

If their doing what seems like the case-going with a rather underwhelming name and have Nolan try to help him...than we could prob. expect a director such as the following:

-Francis Lawrence
-Doug Liman
-Alfonso Cauron
-D.J. Caruso
-Len Wiseman
-Adam Shankman
-Wolfgang Peterson
-Eric Brevig
-McG

I think a guy like Doug Liman could be very a very interesting choice. He scored big with BOURNE IDENTITY and MR. AND MRS. SMITH. He's a proven crowd pleaser ala Martin Campbell or Chris Columbus, whome W.B. have tapped for big franchise beginners in the past.

Btw...do not forget, Bryan Singers stature prior to SR was a lot higher than Nolans, Favreau, Burtons, Donners, ect. before their big superhero movies.

[dark_b]

But the action would be awesome and we would see everything that's going on. I think the slow mo works at times. :word:
you think that using slow mo in every shot is awesome? and we would see what is going on? Jackson ,Cameron and Spielberg dont use slow motion shots all the time an you can see their action. because they are using oldschool techniques and know how to edit the action.

[dark_b]

If their doing what seems like the case-going with a rather underwhelming name and have Nolan try to help him...than we could prob. expect a director such as the following:

-Francis Lawrence
-Doug Liman
-Alfonso Cauron
-D.J. Caruso
-Len Wiseman
-Adam Shankman
-Wolfgang Peterson
-Eric Brevig
-McG

I think a guy like Doug Liman could be very a very interesting choice. He scored big with BOURNE IDENTITY and MR. AND MRS. SMITH. He's a proven crowd pleaser ala Martin Campbell or Chris Columbus, whome W.B. have tapped for big franchise beginners in the past.

Btw...do not forget, Bryan Singers stature prior to SR was a lot higher than Nolans, Favreau, Burtons, Donners, ect. before their big superhero movies.this would be interesting.

[Excel]

Heres

[Excel]

Heres a name for you:

Ben Stiller.

[rocco2216]

you think that using slow mo in every shot is awesome? and we would see what is going on? Jackson ,Cameron and Spielberg dont use slow motion shots all the time an you can see their action. because they are using oldschool techniques and know how to edit the action.

Read what I typed again dude. It would "work at times." Not all the time but at times. I'm not saying Zack Snyder would be the perfect or best choice. But if he's chosen, which he won't be anyway, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Stop butting heads with everyone.

[Bad Superman]

Double post

[Bad Superman]

-Francis Lawrence
-Doug Liman
-Zack Snyder (but cutting heavily on the slow mo)

I like this list.

I also like Wolfgang Petersen, but he's not "new".

[redfirebird2008]

Btw...do not forget, Bryan Singers stature prior to SR was a lot higher than Nolans, Favreau, Burtons, Donners, ect. before their big superhero movies.

And his involvement with Supes caused his career to go down the tubes instead of getting stronger. Valkyrie (weak) plus a new, likely crappy X-Men spinoff (weak).

[GhostPoet]

But the action would be awesome and we would see everything that's going on. I think the slow mo works at times. :word:


Slo mo only in VERY limited amounts. Like when Superman is about to smash in the head of a robot or something similiar. We can see the metal crumple as spark in slo mo as Superman's fist collides into it. But keep it limited to things like that.

[Kurosawa]

Singer is not in Nolan's class and never was. He's made one good movie and several decent ones.

[Angeloz]

Singer is not in Nolan's class and never was. He's made one good movie and several decent ones.

I'll admit I've been watching some of Nolan's films. Not all. I find them interesting for the twist or turns. But emotionally I'm detached from his characters. Except for his Batman ones. I often don't care. Oh well.

Angeloz

[redfirebird2008]

Singer is not in Nolan's class and never was. He's made one good movie and several decent ones.

The fact that Singer didn't write any of the Usual Suspects while Nolan wrote the script for Memento makes me feel the same way. Hell, Following is amazing too and he wrote that one as well. Not to mention everything he's done since then. Ironically enough, his weakest movie is the one he wasn't involved in writing (Insomnia). I will give Singer credit as an action director. He's better than Nolan in that regard for sure, but then again so is McG. :hehe:

[Man of Tomorrow]

X2 is a great film, one of the better comicbook movies.

[redfirebird2008]

X2 is a great film, one of the better comicbook movies.

Absolutely.

[dark_b]

The fact that Singer didn't write any of the Usual Suspects while Nolan wrote the script for Memento makes me feel the same way. Hell, Following is amazing too and he wrote that one as well. Not to mention everything he's done since then. Ironically enough, his weakest movie is the one he wasn't involved in writing (Insomnia). I will give Singer credit as an action director. He's better than Nolan in that regard for sure, but then again so is McG. :hehe::lmao:

[redfirebird2008]

:lmao:

You don't like the action in the X-Men movies? I thought it was well-done.

[Excel]

Nolan is an average action director.

At best.

[Kurosawa]

I find his X-Men films bearable if you like Wolverine (I don't), and torturous if you do. I'm sure a lot of that was studio-mandated, however.

[redfirebird2008]

Nolan is an average action director.

At best.

Agreed. He does well with car chases but he struggles big time with hand-to-hand combat. He needs to hire the stunt coordinator from the Bourne movies for Batman 3.

[FilmNerdJamie]

He wasn't going to be doing Superman anyway just like he wasn't going to be doing Spider-Man.

Yeah leave Fox where you practically run the place and go over to WB where they'd demand you work under someone else's script and under their own set of rules. That was going to happen. :whatever:

[The Batman]

If Christopher Nolan is heavily involved with Superman, and isn't just a name to spark interest in Superman again, there is no way in hell they would bring in Spielberg, Cameron, Jackson...or anybody else of that caliber. So those fans who think that is going to happen with a heavily involved Nolan are dreaming.

The reason you bring in somebody like Nolan, IMO, is to serve as a mentor to a younger lesser known director. This is why when I was talking to Jamie yesterday, I felt like this Nolan leak was put out there to soften another announcement, ie an underwhelming writing team or director down the road. We'll see I guess.

And thats what makes this news disappointing. Showtime is absolutely right. We're gonna get someone who'll most likely doing a safe movie to appease the studio

[El Payaso]

This is great news IF Nolan knows what's the difference between Batman and Superman - which I think he does. I keep thinking that Nolan thought a white-skinned Joker or the Scarecrow wearing his mask were too unrealistic. But he can put some believability to the story and bring up some aspects nobody has dared to touch about Superman.

Now, this as a first step onto a Batman vs Superman or a JLA movie? I certainly hope they won't be taking this to ruin everything lik that.

[The Batman]

[QUOTE=The Batman;18045428][QUOTE=SuperMike335!!;18045388]Would you prefer a sequel to SR?





No No,

Where did I say that?

I asked you a question, not said they need to re-hash STAS.

You just bashed it, and I said I liked it.

Completely different.

I've suggested it be used as "a template", not just a re-hash, or a carbon copy straight to film.

The reason I suggested it, just as a template, is that to me if felt like a good assembly of the last 2 decades of comics. Which also should be heavily taken from, vs. silver age material.

And somehow SR represents the silver age?

Have most of you actually read silver age superman comics?

Cause I sure dont remember silver age lex wearing wigs or being obsessed with land...or a crystal like krypton...in fact, silver age krypton was pretty damn coloful...in fact,the only things silver age supes has in common with sr is a geeky clark kent and a powerful superman...

so please...stop trying to associate silver age supes with SR...as you're all just showing how much of superman's history you didnt care to find out about.

[dark_b]

And thats what makes this news disappointing. Showtime is absolutely right. We're gonna get someone who'll most likely doing a safe movie to appease the studioStar Trek was a 100% safe movie and is loved by a lot of people. Spiderman movies were all safe movies.

[batman44]

[QUOTE=SuperMike335!!;18046922][QUOTE=The Batman;18045428]

And somehow SR represents the silver age?

Have most of you actually read silver age superman comics?

Cause I sure dont remember silver age lex wearing wigs or being obsessed with land...or a crystal like krypton...in fact, silver age krypton was pretty damn coloful...in fact,the only things silver age supes has in common with sr is a geeky clark kent and a powerful superman...

so please...stop trying to associate silver age supes with SR...as you're all just showing how much of superman's history you didnt care to find out about.

I do find it a bit odd that some people don't seem to recognize the difference in the Donnerverse and the silver age.

[Excel]

We're gonna get someone who'll most likely doing a safe movie to appease the studio

Fyi.

Batman. Batman Begins. Batman Forever (it was cool in its day). Superman 1 and 2. Spider-man. Iron Man. X-men 1-4.

^These are all "safe" movies done to appease studios. Of studio made films, the only real ****** one I can think that was a studio film is Fanastic Four.

Hulk. Superman Returns. Batman Returns.

^Thats what happens when directors make their own movie and not the studios. The studio wants whats going to please audiences (and thus make them money), and if it gets critical acclaim to, then all the better, but if forced, studios will ALWAYS take "crowd pleasers" over "critic pleasers"...hence why studio films tend to be more popular, while when directors make their own film for their own art purposes (and thus aimed more at critics than audiences), we get underwhelming dissappointments, by and large. The only time a directors film has been a audience hit, that I can think of for super hero films, is the Dark Knight, which benefits tremendously from exterior forces.

A safe film to appease studios is, if anything, a good thing. Its not going to bad. It might not be amazing, but it will at least be decent and exciting.

[The Batman]

Star Trek was a 100% safe movie and is loved by a lot of people. Spiderman movies were all safe movies.

Spider-Man 3 was a well known disappointment, mainly from studio tampering...in fact, the only Great Spider-Man movie was Spider-Man 2

Honest, decent-but-not-great movies like spiderman 1 and x1 were acceptable, but we've had too many examples of great movies to have another "Safe" movie done.

Fyi.

Batman. Batman Begins. Batman Forever (it was cool in its day). Superman 1 and 2. Spider-man. Iron Man. X-men 1-4.

^These are all "safe" movies done to appease studios. Of studio made films, the only real ****** one I can think that was a studio film is Fanastic Four.

Hulk. Superman Returns. Batman Returns.

^Thats what happens when directors make their own movie and not the studios. The studio wants whats going to please audiences (and thus make them money), and if it gets critical acclaim to, then all the better, but if forced, studios will ALWAYS take "crowd pleasers" over "critic pleasers"...hence why studio films tend to be more popular, while when directors make their own film for their own art purposes (and thus aimed more at critics than audiences), we get underwhelming dissappointments, by and large. The only time a directors film has been a audience hit, that I can think of for super hero films, is the Dark Knight, which benefits tremendously from exterior forces.

A safe film to appease studios is, if anything, a good thing. Its not going to bad. It might not be amazing, but it will at least be decent and exciting.

First off, most of the movies you listed all had a degree of artistic freedom delivered to them, and in the case of donner's superman, was the only reason why the movies didnt suck.. Second, every X-men movie after X2 has sucked, which proves my point about studio intereference.

Superhero movie sequels like X2, TDK, and Spider-man 2 suceed because they're given more freedom to do what they want, and I've yet to see a case where a studio having a stranglehold on production hasnt resulted in a less than stellar movie. I mean, if fox wasnt up every directors ass, Wolverine and X3 couldve made ALOT more money that it did. If the producers had just let donner finish superman 2, the movie wouldnt have been marked by lester's cheese.

[Webhead2006]

Are the comic book gods finally smiling at us, Superman fans?

BEST NEWS EVER!

Now all we need is confirmation it is going to be a fresh origin story, with the comics as the basis not the Donner movies, similar to Batman Begins, Brainiac as the villain and WE`RE GOOD TO GO!!! :up:
this would be great, brainiac would be a fine foe to start off with and have the krypton backstory for him. Then please for the love of god be a clean new start and no longer base anything on the donner movie. besides maybe a few nods and maybe the crystal look for fos if it was to be in first film. Beyond that i want everything new.

[Ring Deacon]

Well, not just "people," Nolan's pretty much said it outright. :oldrazz: For your reference:



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/christopher-n-2.html

If there is a crossover, then in order for them not to completely undo the ground work Nolan laid down with BB and TDK, then Batman WILL have to have been the first existing superhero. Before Supes, before WW, before GL or whoever else they have. I'm not even a huge fan of any of the other characters, and I don't know how I feel about that.

And that is just the main reason to use Superman: The Man of Steel as your base story. In the new DC universe Batman came first and inspired others to follow.

[FaT_tONle]

Now, this as a first step onto a Batman vs Superman or a JLA movie? I certainly hope they won't be taking this to ruin everything lik that.

I don't know why you are so afraid of a cross over. It's one thing if you don't want to mingle the current universe, but the cross over is going to happen eventually and Batman will be a part of it. If Avengers is any kind of success, it's happening sooner than later.

Spider-Man 3 was a well known disappointment, mainly from studio tampering...in fact, the only Great Spider-Man movie was Spider-Man 2

Honest, decent-but-not-great movies like spiderman 1 and x1 were acceptable, but we've had too many examples of great movies to have another "Safe" movie done.

I agree. I don't want another run of the mill superhero movie. We need material that pushes the envelope and does things we haven't quite seen yet in terms of depth for the story and characters. The action is irrelevant if the story does not elevate the material as such.

[Excel]

By safe film, think the first couple of Harry Potter movies, I think. Or Superman 2.

[GreenKToo]

I think we're gonna get what we've been screaming for-for 3 years now, which is a Superman film thats bright, stays close to the source, has the classic suit, a supervillain, and loads of action......yeah, i'd say that is a pretty safe film.

[Anita18]

In other words, placing Bruce in a wider DC Universe takes away that "why would a man dress like a bat in real life" element (because it isnt real life anymore, but the DCU), but at the same time it opens the floodgates for so much more. The nolanverse could easily be part of the DCU if we assume that Nolan just forgot to mention other heroes.
Forgot to mention them in the interviews or the movies? Because if Nolan's Batman is going to be part of a bigger DCU, he'll have to be more experienced. It's not like superheroes can whip out their costumes and be known in a month. He'll have to have been working for several years, IMO, and even in TDK, it's too early.

If they're going to do it, it'll have to be done when Nolan's Batman series is completely finished. His individual story over, the timeline fast-forwarded about a year.

And if you mean Nolan simply forgot to mention other heroes in BB or TDK, it'll make Bruce seem even more stupid that he didn't find out about them earlier. :oldrazz:

A current trend nowadays is taking characters that have normally always been fun and light-hearted and somewhat using the deconstruction angle. Singer did that with SR, and it didn't turn out as top notch as we craved, but it depends. People ***** that Superman is boring, so writers have to figure ways around it.
There was deconstruction in SR? :huh: If you're talking about the "why the world doesn't need Superman" stuff, they mentioned it, but that was about it. They didn't develop it at all, which was a HUGE disappointment for me. :o There was serious potential for deep discussion about it, and they turned it into a jilted lover soap opera.

Amazes me how Nolan directing Batman 3 has been completely over-shadowed by his "mentoring" the next Superman movie.
Well the original Nikki Finke article had paragraphs upon paragraphs about Superman, and just about one sentence about Batman. :funny:

[Showtime]

Should have something for you tonight with more juicy info.

[louiebling$]

So does anyone else think we will be getting a Clark Kent/Superman Cameo in Batman 3? Or at least a Refrence?

[Crook]

Should have something for you tonight with more juicy info.Any hints into what aspect of the production it concerns?

[hockeyboy89]

I liked where this is headed.

[redfirebird2008]

Should have something for you tonight with more juicy info.

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[ultimatefan]

The part I don´t quite like is when they say it´s gonna be a reboot "a la Batman Begins", which suggests another step-by-step origin story. Sorry, I read all the fan arguments about that, and no one has convinced me going back to the whole "Krypton blows up, Kal-El travels through space yadda yadda" thing all over again, with some minor post-crisis adjustements no one but fanboys really care about and modernized FX are enough. I much less want a radical "reinvention" of it like JJ Abrams wanted to make. I continue to strongly feel Superman needs a fresh story to sparkle the popular interest again. We need to give the audience something unexpected. No, I don´t mean bastard child or anything like that, but in 70 years of Superman stories there´s gotta be something interesting enough.

[Angeloz]

Star Trek was a 100% safe movie and is loved by a lot of people. Spiderman movies were all safe movies.

If that's supposed to be reassuring it failed. I hated the "Star Trek" (2009) film.

By safe film, think the first couple of Harry Potter movies, I think. Or Superman 2.

Are you sure on the latter.

Angeloz

[solidsnake86]

The reason you bring in somebody like Nolan, IMO, is to serve as a mentor to a younger lesser known director. This is why when I was talking to Jamie yesterday, I felt like this Nolan leak was put out there to soften another announcement, ie an underwhelming writing team or director down the road. We'll see I guess.

Excellent point and really harkens back to you and jamie talking about how WB wants more of a studio director. Throwing Nolan's name in there really calms fears of a lesser known director or one that doesn't exactly have a filmography that inspires. Should be interesting, I guess the next logical question is, do they have someone in mind?

[Man of Tomorrow]

JJ Abrams Superman reinvention was ridiculously bad.


There's no point radically reinventing Superman when the modern contemporary Superman comics have never been done right in live action yet.


All we got was the Silver Age Superman done right with Reeve.

[dark_b]

If that's supposed to be reassuring it failed. I hated the "Star Trek" (2009) film.



Are you sure on the latter.

Angeloz
i said by a lot not by everyone. why do you think you matter? :woot:

[louiebling$]

Should have something for you tonight with more juicy info.
Nice :up:

[flickchick85]

Should have something for you tonight with more juicy info.
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[FilmNerdJamie]

Should have something for you tonight with more juicy info.

So what's it like to be wrong for 3 years?

[ultimatefan]

JJ Abrams Superman reinvention was ridiculously bad.


There's no point radically reinventing Superman when the modern contemporary Superman comics have never been done right in live action yet.


All we got was the Silver Age Superman done right with Reeve.

There´s nothing in the modern John Byrne or Mark Waid interpretations of the origin that is radically different from the basic origin story that Donner told. Even the friendship with Lex was used in Smallville, and the last thing we need is to bring him back again. The differences will only matter to fanboys.

[Showtime]

So what's it like to be wrong for 3 years?

If this is what you get when you're wrong, I don't want to be right.

[Michael Corleone]

JJ Abrams Superman reinvention was ridiculously bad.


There's no point radically reinventing Superman when the modern contemporary Superman comics have never been done right in live action yet.


All we got was the Silver Age Superman done right with Reeve.

To be fair I believe Abrams was told to take those types of risks and go in a radical direction.

[solidsnake86]

The part I don´t quite like is when they say it´s gonna be a reboot "a la Batman Begins", which suggests another step-by-step origin story. Sorry, I read all the fan arguments about that, and no one has convinced me going back to the whole "Krypton blows up, Kal-El travels through space yadda yadda" thing all over again, with some minor post-crisis adjustements no one but fanboys really care about and modernized FX are enough. I much less want a radical "reinvention" of it like JJ Abrams wanted to make. I continue to strongly feel Superman needs a fresh story to sparkle the popular interest again. We need to give the audience something unexpected. No, I don´t mean bastard child or anything like that, but in 70 years of Superman stories there´s gotta be something interesting enough.

You might not like the "a la batman begins" but I guarantee you a lot of people will, call the film superman begins and you see how you get people interested. STM, was (to quote an article) mediocre at best and 30+ years old, its foolish to think kids under 20 really care about that film anymore (SR proved that). And if its anything like begins I doubt were going to see everything from the beginning. Starting superman already established with some threat is asking for trouble because the main problem is people actually liking his character. That requires going back to the beginning.

[Showtime]

Superman: Year One is the route they should go.

[Kurosawa]

I do find it a bit odd that some people don't seem to recognize the difference in the Donnerverse and the silver age.

The only thing from the Donnerverse that even remotely resembled the Silver Age was Superman and Clark's personalities, both of which were greatly exaggerated versions of the Silver Age at most.

this would be great, brainiac would be a fine foe to start off with and have the krypton backstory for him. Then please for the love of god be a clean new start and no longer base anything on the donner movie. besides maybe a few nods and maybe the crystal look for fos if it was to be in first film. Beyond that i want everything new.

As long as they keep away from writing a Black Zero mopee origin substituting in Brainiac, I'm fine with him being used. But NO Brainiac destroying Krypton.

[solidsnake86]

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see jor-el or krypton from the beginning, then him as a baby and so on. I definately want to see him starting at the daily planet for the first time and the interactions with the daily planet staff. Bring back the fun between him and lois and have some witty banter between the two characters. To make superman work again you're going to have to care for clark. Starting superman in battle doesn't really do anything for his character.

[batman44]

So what's it like to be wrong for 3 years?

Being one to receive all this wrong info, it's been great:hehe:

[FilmNerdJamie]

Zing!

[Excel]

Show whens the news gonna be up?

[Showtime]

Tonight.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Should be tonight.

[Showtime]

Tonight.

[Webhead2006]

I do really hope all the legal stuff get settled out. it would be disapointing for wb not to use certain elements in a new film series. But yea i agree in the end things probably will be settled.

[ultimatefan]

You might not like the "a la batman begins" but I guarantee you a lot of people will, call the film superman begins and you see how you get people interested. STM, was (to quote an article) mediocre at best and 30+ years old, its foolish to think kids under 20 really care about that film anymore (SR proved that). And if its anything like begins I doubt were going to see everything from the beginning. Starting superman already established with some threat is asking for trouble because the main problem is people actually liking his character. That requires going back to the beginning.

a) A lot of people can think what they want, I stick to my own opinion.

b|)It´s only among post-crisis fanboys that I see STM being refered to as a mediocre movie. It´s still generally considered one of the best superhero movies ever and was in fact a blueprint for Nolan´s and Raimi´s Batman and Spider-Man origin movies, in their own words.

c) SR failed for other reasons, and it actually didn´t have a "bomb" Box office, it was the high budget that made it be considered underperforming.

d) 70 years of Superman stories read by a bunch of generations are more than proof that an already established Superman can be enjoyed by new fans. You don´t have to completely ignore the origin, it can be mentioned, but told all over again? No, thanks.

[super-t]

i dont understand the whole superman wont fit into Nolan's batman universe...y do we need lil cameos in the movies that have to state that other heroes exist? You can still tie them in without ever doin so. It wouldnt make bruce stupid for not knowing about other heroes...its jus that the other heroes didnt apply to wat he was doin so y bring them up. Actually to me its makes supermans arrival that much more epic and grand bc nolan has batman in more "real" terms

[dark_b]

is there some bad news coming tonight?