WB Superman Reboot 3.0: Christopher Nolan Edition

[Sawyer]

I say just play it somewhat safe and get Giancchino for it.

I want Giacchino for everything, so :up::up:

Seriously, he needs to do GL too.

[kalelkilla]

I was watching Bomer in White Collar as well for a little bit, and I have to say that he can not be Superman. He was barely taller than the women on the show (heels, I know) but he also did not have much presence. He is also pretty skinny and even after say a year of bulking up he would look stocky and that is not how you want Superman to look. This is hard for me to say because we are the same size but he does not measure up to be Superman. He is more like Tobey McGuire than he is Christopher Reeve. I don't need the next actor to look like Reeve but Clark Kent is a BIG guy lets face it.

[Mace Dolex]

If there is ONE thing they should keep from the previous films, it should be the john williams theme. It is damn near perfect and gives me chills down my spine every time I hear the first opening notes. I'm not against a new theme, but it's going to be damn hard to beat.
Well you have to consider that change is necessary in fact think back to way even before the 1978 Superman film was being considered I imagine the baby boomers of that era were against Williams' theme and preferred the old theme from The Adventures Of Superman with George Reeves.

[jrd550]

One thing is for sure: Nolan knows how to direct, cast and script a great film - he is going to make sure whoever is involved with Superman does the same.

[Lighthouse]

I just got this terrifying thought that David Goyer could be a potential Superman director.

Please Showtime, FNJ, tell me I'm crazy.

[Deaths Head II]

Goyer might be involved with the script, but I doubt he'll direct.

[Ipodman]

If they want a Superman movie out in 2012... i expect a director announcement to come really soon....

And then a Wonder Woman announcement.

[Dark Knight]

One thing is for sure: Nolan knows how to direct, cast and script a great film - he is going to make sure whoever is involved with Superman does the same.




Exactly.....being a potential producer should come easy for him. As what has been said before, Nolan works well with others and has the type of persona that brings together talented people to create a great film making team.

[Excel]

Williams is too vanilla for these days, they need something more rousing, Hans Zimmer type.

[SuperDaniel]

Yeah, because the general public all lined up to watch TAS. Stop.

You can't with a straight face say that the Batman 89 theme is more recognizable to the general public than the Williams theme. Which if you read my post was obviously my point.
I can tell you with straight face that the Elfman theme is as significant for Batman as the Williams theme for Superman, at least IMO. Batman Begins score was one of the weakest part of the movie but i think Dark Knight improved on that but is it still so far away from being as classic as the Elfman theme to me.

The thing is, both themes are part of the past, IMO, and they should be left there. I personally really like the Animated series Superman theme and the Lois & Clark theme wich i think it is one of the best scores ever for a Tv series. Every music in it you can hum it. Jay Gruska did an excelent job, IMO, and I dare to say that i like it more than the Williams theme, just because i prefer that interpretation for Superman over the campy S:TM with geeky Clark, ugly Margot Kidder, stupid Luthor and Otis. One example of a good job by Gruska is when he transform the heroic theme into a bed time song in the episode Vatman, where Lex is about to put his clone to sleep.

All in all, I think everything from the Donner movies should be left in the past, including the theme. It is time for a Superman of this generation, new theme included.

[flickchick85]

You know, not every composer sets out to make a "hummable theme" with every score they make. There are different types of scores, and different approaches to character themes. I'm pretty sure they intentionally went the other direction (from Elfman/Williams style fanfares) for Nolan's Batverse. Just sayin.

They created a sonic landscape, and despite not being "hummable," it's instantly recognizable. And IMO, as a score (not a "theme"), I would easily put TDK up there with Elfman's 2 Batman scores.

[SuperDaniel]

The score for Dark Knight is pretty good but Batman Begins was boring and repetitive. Both are nowhere near as classic as the Elfman theme to me. Elfman`s and Shirley`s Walker theme in Mask of the Phantasm are to me the best Batman themes ever.

As a musician, I believe every good music you are be able to hum. There`s always a melody that sticks out.

[Anita18]

I really hope Nolan has no decision on if the theme stays or not. Even though the score to both his Batman movies is very good, the man doesn't know how to have a proper theme. BB and TDK lack any memorable theme whatsoever, which is a terrible thing if you ask me.
The theme for BB/TDK is recognizable. Certainly not as melodic as the film scores of old, but when you hear it, you recognize it, even on a subconscious level.

It's akin to the theme for the Matrix trilogies. When I hear that brass crescendoing octave, I recognize it within the first 2 seconds. Well, I guess it's related to BB/TDK because the main theme is also only 2 notes (instead of an octave it's a minor third) and played with brass instruments. :funny: But I can recognize it with only those 2 notes.

As a musician, I believe every good music you are be able to hum. There`s always a melody that sticks out.
I'm a musician and I completely disagree with you. :oldrazz: Nobody can hum the exhilarating final seconds of Rachmaninoff's 3rd Piano Concerto, but listening to it live by the LA Phil at Walt Disney Concert Hall was the closest I've ever come to utter euphoria in my life. Glorious but unhummable music.

Then again I'm a fan of some avant garde stuff. :funny:

[GreenKToo]

Quick..hum the spidey theme, now the hulk, now blade, maybe B.B.? what about X-Men??....I can't remember any of them and I loved those films..Superman's I could hum in my sleep.
I'm not saying make it the MAIN theme, but it needs to be there in some fashion.
For me, Superman's theme is right up there with jaws, star wars, and star trek.

[04nbod]

I think the title of the next Supes film should be:

SUPERMAN LEGACY

Well then you have to sum up what Superman's Legacy actually is and legacy usually doesn't require the character to be around. In my opinion Superman's legacy is Legion but they aren't going in that direction in a million years


Greenktoo of course you know the X Men theme and the spidey theme but not the movie ones

[GreenKToo]

That's my meaning, the film themes.

[solidsnake86]

Quick..hum the spidey theme, now the hulk, now blade, maybe B.B.? what about X-Men??....I can't remember any of them and I loved those films..Superman's I could hum in my sleep.
I'm not saying make it the MAIN theme, but it needs to be there in some fashion.
For me, Superman's theme is right up there with jaws, star wars, and star trek.

Quick hum the star wars theme, then Indiana jones followed by superman.... To me all three sound very similar. Bottom line is that it's a subjective experience. For those of you who are older or have watche STM a million times it's no wonder why you associate his theme with superman cause it engrained in your heads. For others, like myself, I have no particular attachment to the theme because I've seen the movie all of 1 time and bits and pieces here and there so I could not care less for it. Having said that there is no pleasing any of you, when the score by ottoman changed some things people were still complaining that it wasn't as good as Williams, that's why I think thy need a fresh start.

[ChickenScratch]

I think very much it will represent a radical shift in what we expect from a Superman movie. With BB, he gave us Batman with all the tropes we expected but different. I'm sure his directorial style, musical taste, editing, penchant for doing things real in camera, etc. as much as I love Routh I can almost guarantee Nolan's gonna completely break from the past versions.

[Showtime]

I really hope Nolan has no decision on if the theme stays or not. Even though the score to both his Batman movies is very good, the man doesn't know how to have a proper theme. BB and TDK lack any memorable theme whatsoever, which is a terrible thing if you ask me.

Any news Showtime on the new Superman movie since your last IESB article? That was you right?

We have mentioned everything that we can mention.

I just got this terrifying thought that David Goyer could be a potential Superman director.

Please Showtime, FNJ, tell me I'm crazy.

In a discussion with Jamie on the phone I actually threw that out there.

I can tell you with straight face that the Elfman theme is as significant for Batman as the Williams theme for Superman, at least IMO. Batman Begins score was one of the weakest part of the movie but i think Dark Knight improved on that but is it still so far away from being as classic as the Elfman theme to me.

The thing is, both themes are part of the past, IMO, and they should be left there. I personally really like the Animated series Superman theme and the Lois & Clark theme wich i think it is one of the best scores ever for a Tv series. Every music in it you can hum it. Jay Gruska did an excelent job, IMO, and I dare to say that i like it more than the Williams theme, just because i prefer that interpretation for Superman over the campy S:TM with geeky Clark, ugly Margot Kidder, stupid Luthor and Otis. One example of a good job by Gruska is when he transform the heroic theme into a bed time song in the episode Vatman, where Lex is about to put his clone to sleep.

All in all, I think everything from the Donner movies should be left in the past, including the theme. It is time for a Superman of this generation, new theme included.

I understand what you're saying, but you're coming from an area of being a fan. However, I'm saying there is no comparison because the Williams theme is far more recognizable to the general public. It has been used in so many other areas of media. Tv Commercial, TV Shows, Other Movies, so on and so forth.

[Mr. Earle]

I think very much it will represent a radical shift in what we expect from a Superman movie. With BB, he gave us Batman with all the tropes we expected but different. I'm sure his directorial style, musical taste, editing, penchant for doing things real in camera, etc. as much as I love Routh I can almost guarantee Nolan's gonna completely break from the past versions.
Oh how i wish this isnt going to be the case. They dont need to do a version of Superman because we havent seen the modern day Superman adapted (except perhaps in STAS and Lois&Clark). The canon Superman will be just fine, and imho will be even better than a version of him, be it campy, dark, realistic, magical, etc.

[flickchick85]

The theme for BB/TDK is recognizable. Certainly not as melodic as the film scores of old, but when you hear it, you recognize it, even on a subconscious level.

It's akin to the theme for the Matrix trilogies. When I hear that brass crescendoing octave, I recognize it within the first 2 seconds. Well, I guess it's related to BB/TDK because the main theme is also only 2 notes (instead of an octave it's a minor third) and played with brass instruments. :funny: But I can recognize it with only those 2 notes.


I'm a musician and I completely disagree with you. :oldrazz: Nobody can hum the exhilarating final seconds of Rachmaninoff's 3rd Piano Concerto, but listening to it live by the LA Phil at Walt Disney Concert Hall was the closest I've ever come to utter euphoria in my life. Glorious but unhummable music.

Then again I'm a fan of some avant garde stuff. :funny:
I completely agree with everything you said. And it's certainly not just classical music that this applies to. Some of the best movie scores of the last couple years - There Will Be Blood, Sunshine - I really wouldn't describe them as "hummable." And as a massive Radiohead fan, I have to say some of their best stuff might be pretty difficult to hum as well.

"hummable" is not a qualifier for good music, imo. It's a qualifier for broad, mainstream music.

[Mr. Earle]

The theme for BB/TDK is recognizable. Certainly not as melodic as the film scores of old, but when you hear it, you recognize it, even on a subconscious level.

It's akin to the theme for the Matrix trilogies. When I hear that brass crescendoing octave, I recognize it within the first 2 seconds. Well, I guess it's related to BB/TDK because the main theme is also only 2 notes (instead of an octave it's a minor third) and played with brass instruments. :funny: But I can recognize it with only those 2 notes.


I'm a musician and I completely disagree with you. :oldrazz: Nobody can hum the exhilarating final seconds of Rachmaninoff's 3rd Piano Concerto, but listening to it live by the LA Phil at Walt Disney Concert Hall was the closest I've ever come to utter euphoria in my life. Glorious but unhummable music.

Then again I'm a fan of some avant garde stuff. :funny:I completely agree. :up:

[FilmNerdJamie]

In a discussion with Jamie on the phone I actually threw that out there.

To which I threw out a few name too.

[Excel]

To which I threw out a few name too.

Names FTW :up:

We have mentioned everything that we can mention.

So theres....more?

[bgshw44]

To which I threw out a few name too.

are you trying to be clever :cwink:

[SuperMike335!!]

Well, if he takes superman half a seriously as he took Batman, at least we will not have to worry about camp.

[antsman41]

I completely agree with everything you said. And it's certainly not just classical music that this applies to. Some of the best movie scores of the last couple years - There Will Be Blood, Sunshine - I really wouldn't describe them as "hummable." And as a massive Radiohead fan, I have to say some of their best stuff might be pretty difficult to hum as well.

"hummable" is not a qualifier for good music, imo. It's a qualifier for broad, mainstream music.

At a Minnesota Wild game last year they opened the season with the Wild logo breaking up and bright red light. Since, I'm a Batman freak I knew they ripped that concept from the TDK teaser,, they even had the same music for it... it was awesome. My buddy, who isnt a Batman freak, went to another game and he said they had a hightlight video of goals and hits and had some Batman music."

I assumed 89, and he said no... the bad ass epic stuff from Begins/TDK. So, yeah there are average folk who can distinguished the new batman scores. I think it comes down to Zimmer's work though, he has more in your face scores (Joker/Batman Themer), while Howards are the classical score (Harvey/Rachel). I think by having them compliment each other is what makes Nolan films have more of a prestige (pun intended) or wealth than elfman's. Elfman's was great and all but its super "superhero-y" and now that he has used most of his batman score in other Burton films I kind have lost my taste. There were some peices in spiderman that were totally right out of Batman Returns...

Back to Superman, I hope who ever scores it has great skills... Johnny Greenwood needs to work on more scores... I think this new lp Radiohead are working on are trying to create more "jams" or "orchestral" songs. Case in point with These Are My Twisted Words. Almost Kid A meets the Bends... :awesome:

[Webhead2006]

The main consensus is that we want the depth and characterization Nolan brings to characters, but the movie should not follow the gritty, nail-biting intensity that is his trademark style. This movie should be a combination of sci-fi, whimsy and dramatic leverage.
I am sure this is how things will probably be.

[Reel-Man]

Was there any date given as when this lawsuit should be done with or it's still pending? Also if the main thing is to get a movie in production by 2011, then i think they shouldn't wait out until the lawsuit settles as that could play against them in the sole purpose of delaying their movie until rights go back to the creators.

[Webhead2006]

yea that is something i asked a few times myself. The report when it said to be 2011 they have to do soemthing what point of the year and what needs to be done to not get sued.

[rocco2216]

At a Minnesota Wild game last year they opened the season with the Wild logo breaking up and bright red light. Since, I'm a Batman freak I knew they ripped that concept from the TDK teaser,, they even had the same music for it... it was awesome. My buddy, who isnt a Batman freak, went to another game and he said they had a hightlight video of goals and hits and had some Batman music."

I assumed 89, and he said no... the bad ass epic stuff from Begins/TDK. So, yeah there are average folk who can distinguished the new batman scores. I think it comes down to Zimmer's work though, he has more in your face scores (Joker/Batman Themer), while Howards are the classical score (Harvey/Rachel). I think by having them compliment each other is what makes Nolan films have more of a prestige (pun intended) or wealth than elfman's. Elfman's was great and all but its super "superhero-y" and now that he has used most of his batman score in other Burton films I kind have lost my taste. There were some peices in spiderman that were totally right out of Batman Returns...

Back to Superman, I hope who ever scores it has great skills... Johnny Greenwood needs to work on more scores... I think this new lp Radiohead are working on are trying to create more "jams" or "orchestral" songs. Case in point with These Are My Twisted Words. Almost Kid A meets the Bends... :awesome:

Hans Zimmer definitely get a great job with music for the Joker. It was like the music for Jaws, when the creepy music started you knew the Joker was going to show up. :word:

[Billy Batson]

WOW! Hans Zimmer is the man, I get goose bumps just thinking about his version of the Superman theme. very interesting.

[flickchick85]

Back to Superman, I hope who ever scores it has great skills... Johnny Greenwood needs to work on more scores... I think this new lp Radiohead are working on are trying to create more "jams" or "orchestral" songs. Case in point with These Are My Twisted Words. Almost Kid A meets the Bends... :awesome:
I agree Johnny Greenwood needs to do more scores ASAP. But Superman shouldn't be one of them, lol. The two just don't seem compatible, imo.

One person I'd like to see scoring this is James Newton Howard. One reason being that some of his best scores have been for either terrible or underseen movies (Restoration, Treasure Planet, Atlantis, and to a lesser degree, Hidalgo), but he never fails to create great emotional scores. And when the situation calls for it, perfectly "hummable" themes, too. ;) He also has much more old-school sensibilities than Zimmer, which I think would better suit Superman.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Showtime since you don't know when an announcement is coming, what kind of a guess would you make on a time frame?

If this is going to be out by 2012, wouldn't things be moving pretty fast at this point?

[wattabrownsound]

I hope Nolan influences the writer to just give us the main villain right away like with the Joker.

[RachelDawes]

I hope Nolan influences the writer to just give us the main villain right away like with the Joker.

But we didn't get the Joker right away. Nolan started off with slightly more minor villains.

[wattabrownsound]

sorry about the confusion, i meant they should give us the villain right away like with the Joker in the Dark Knight instead of having to sit through their origin story.

[Webhead2006]

well even if it was due to be release in 2012 i dont think that would be to much of a rush. If they are looking for either a summer 12 or winter 12 as long as film was filming by like march of 11 that would probably give it plently of time to be set. As long as a full script, director attached, casting and location-set building could get all done by the end of this yr.

[SuperDaniel]

pff A minor third interval done on the brass strings of the boring and repetitive Batman Begins and Dark Knight theme(wich is bit better and more complex) vs the magical Danny Elfman theme with its greater melodic qualities. Just watch the part where Batman enters the Cathedral in Batman 89. Jesus Christ. There`s no comparision. The new Batman movie theme sucks when compared to those majestic creations by Danny Elfman.

Every music i like i can hum it. Even Classical compositions, wich i`m not really that fond of. The one that are the most famous and popular compositions ever you can hum it. That`s why they`re famous. It touches people universally. The melody just sticks to your head.

Anyways, music is subjective and personal. To me, it needs a theme you should be able to hum, especially when it comes to a superhero. That`s why the Williams theme, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, etc are so popular.

The matrix theme is better than the new Batman ones, imo. That you can recognize. At least to my ears.

[Showtime]

Showtime since you don't know when an announcement is coming, what kind of a guess would you make on a time frame?

If this is going to be out by 2012, wouldn't things be moving pretty fast at this point?

I would have to say by the end of April, but that is certainly just a guess. It is almost pointless to try and attempt to guess when these things are going to happen or how they are going to happen. There isn't always a press release to announce these things, see the intentional leak of Nolan taking on Superman.

If is the key word in regards to 2012.

[Webhead2006]

it is possible if they can get filming underway by at least early 2011 for a 2012 release. Since most films are what 3-5 months of filming time, and then the real bulk time is either pre production or post production which could go a few months or yr or so right. That is usually how it is for these pictures.

[Ipodman]

to be honest im really excited about this because when i first heard that Chris Nolan is involved in Superman 3.0, i was thinking The Dark Knight Returns!!!

[Bad Superman]

Here are two pics of Krypton from Birthright. I'm not saying that Krypton should look like that, simply that it doesnt have to look like Donner's depressing and sterilized version.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3893/70083208.jpg

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/8720/18363332.jpg

I would love to see something like that. :up:

[ultimatefan]

A futuritic Metropolis would be an interesting approach, even though the studio may find it too expensive at this point. I think at this point WB should at least say who wrote the script, the cat is more or less out of the bag, we know about the reboot, about Nolan and stuff.

[Bad Superman]

A futuritic Metropolis would be an interesting approach, even though the studio may find it too expensive at this point. I think at this point WB should at least say who wrote the script, the cat is more or less out of the bag, we know about the reboot, about Nolan and stuff.

That would be nice and I would add the news of who will direct for June (Superman's birthday month).

[SuperMike335!!]

A futuritic Metropolis would be an interesting approach, even though the studio may find it too expensive at this point. I think at this point WB should at least say who wrote the script, the cat is more or less out of the bag, we know about the reboot, about Nolan and stuff.


All I have been seeing is ice skating stuff.

Blasted Olympics! :cmad:

I want WB news with what is going on with Superman. :woot:

[Webhead2006]

well i would leave futuristic looks for alien worlds/krypton and metropolis a present day city. Say modeled off of nyc,la, miami.

[kalelkilla]

With a more "realistic" approach that Nolan will infuse into the film, I don't think we are going to be seeing much of Krypton at all unless there is something for us to learn about Superman's current situation or perhaps the main villain.

[Webhead2006]

again with the whole "realistic" thing and nolan we know he did it for batman, and we know he knows that bats and supes are two totally different characters. I really doubt they would ground superman that much. At most metropolis will be a regular looking city, and human characters will have some grounded stuff. But superman/foes and alien worlds and all that will be crazy scifi/fantasy stuff most likely.

[dark_b]

A futuritic Metropolis would be an interesting approach, even though the studio may find it too expensive at this point. I think at this point WB should at least say who wrote the script, the cat is more or less out of the bag, we know about the reboot, about Nolan and stuff.
shouldnt superman stand out in metropolis? :yay:

[BATZARRO WWD]

With a more "realistic" approach that Nolan will infuse into the film, I don't think we are going to be seeing much of Krypton at all unless there is something for us to learn about Superman's current situation or perhaps the main villain.

I have to agree with Webhead2006(first time for everything,right?). Not only is it early to say what Nolan will, do, but there's other people who will work on the film. Say, for example, the writers of the film. Not to downplay Nolan's involvement, but as far as I know, he isn't the film's director yet. That said, I do believe it's unlikely to have a whole lot of Krypton, unless they go full origin reboot from scratch. Which they might do, but we can't know.

[solidsnake86]

A futuritic Metropolis would be an interesting approach, even though the studio may find it too expensive at this point. I think at this point WB should at least say who wrote the script, the cat is more or less out of the bag, we know about the reboot, about Nolan and stuff.

Are we sure its a script they have or simply a story or outline that they like cause that would make a big difference.

[zerohour films]

Judging by how Nolan has told some of his stories in the past I could see them going the Birthright route for his origin (method, not necessarily style). Where as some small piece of tech was within his ship which he hasn't quite mastered how to operate, but does get little glimpses here and there of Krypton and it's rich history.

As the story progresses (maybe even over multiple movies with a Brainiac tie-in) he learns more about who he is and where he came from. This could work for a couple of reasons...it 1) gives the character some drama to deal with and 2) saves the audience on seeing his origin yet again---though part of me would like to see a new take on Krypton.

It could even create some good tension between Superman and the public. They have a hard time initially trusting him and he since he has no knowledge of his past to afford them any comfort, all he can say is that he is here to help.

[BH/HHH]

Judging by how Nolan has told some of his stories in the past I could see them going the Birthright route for his origin (method, not necessarily style). Where as some small piece of tech was within his ship which he hasn't quite mastered how to operate, but does get little glimpses here and there of Krypton and it's rich history.

As the story progresses (maybe even over multiple movies with a Brainiac tie-in) he learns more about who he is and where he came from. This could work for a couple of reasons...it 1) gives the character some drama to deal with and 2) saves the audience on seeing his origin yet again---though part of me would like to see a new take on Krypton.

It could even create some good tension between Superman and the public. They have a hard time initially trusting him and he since he has no knowledge of his past to afford them any comfort, all he can say is that he is here to help.

I would love to see this.

On the subject os Birthright I think if Singer had adapated it to the screen it would have given the franchise the jump it needed.

[Daybreak_st]

Judging by how Nolan has told some of his stories in the past I could see them going the Birthright route for his origin (method, not necessarily style). Where as some small piece of tech was within his ship which he hasn't quite mastered how to operate, but does get little glimpses here and there of Krypton and it's rich history.

As the story progresses (maybe even over multiple movies with a Brainiac tie-in) he learns more about who he is and where he came from. This could work for a couple of reasons...it 1) gives the character some drama to deal with and 2) saves the audience on seeing his origin yet again---though part of me would like to see a new take on Krypton.

It could even create some good tension between Superman and the public. They have a hard time initially trusting him and he since he has no knowledge of his past to afford them any comfort, all he can say is that he is here to help.


Great ideas! :yay:

[GreenKToo]

I'd love to know who the writers are, then a list of possible directors.

[Webhead2006]

zerohour i could see that working, all i want is to have at least some origins told in first film of reboot, then we can expand on more stuff in future sequels. I would just be disapointed if there isnt any krypton/smallville days told at all.

[GreenKToo]

All this makes me wonder if a settlement has already been reached and we just dont know about it.

[Webhead2006]

That is something to wonder about. I too would love if a settlement has been reached so the families have the money they want and the studio/company retain the rights to use all the full 70yr+ history of superman for movies/cartoons/shows/etc....

[GreenKToo]

Hard to say..could be that WB is in a rush to beat the 2011 deadline, or, it could mean a settlement has been reached and they have the freedom to use whatever they want.

[Webhead2006]

that is the two most logical trains of thought. But in the end with the whole copyright battle i do hope it ends on good terms for both parties. Cause it will be us fans who get screwed over if it goes one way or the other.

[SpiderByte]

Christopher Nolan will save the Superman franchise. Dark Knight is still considered one of the greatest films of all time.

And now he has a hero who is literally almost limitless. I can't wait to see a Nolan version of Metallo, or Braniac.

[Dark Knight]

Well then you have to sum up what Superman's Legacy actually is and legacy usually doesn't require the character to be around. In my opinion Superman's legacy is Legion but they aren't going in that direction in a million years


Greenktoo of course you know the X Men theme and the spidey theme but not the movie ones





I think the Legacy meaning would give us a feeling that Kal Els'/Supermans legacy is tied in to what occured on Krypton with his father Jor El and how he was trying to save the Krypton before it's destruction.

His father Jor El was a "Superman" in his own right in a way.

[SuperMike335!!]

again with the whole "realistic" thing and nolan we know he did it for batman, and we know he knows that bats and supes are two totally different characters. I really doubt they would ground superman that much. At most metropolis will be a regular looking city, and human characters will have some grounded stuff. But superman/foes and alien worlds and all that will be crazy scifi/fantasy stuff most likely.

Yeah,:yay: I also think that for Superman, a guy who shoots lasers out of his eyes, realism is NOT the way to go, but I am sure Nolan realizes this.

For his Superman I have a strong feeling that "realism" will mean avoiding camp. Really that is all I ask for as far as "realism" goes for superman.

[Webhead2006]

yea for me as i said i want to see superman full scifi/fantasy and comicbooky like. only things that should be grounded in realism is regular human stuff like phsyics for regular human and all that.

[Kurosawa]

Yeah,:yay: I also think that for Superman, a guy who shoots lasers out of his eyes, realism is NOT the way to go, but I am sure Nolan realizes this.

For his Superman I have a strong feeling that "realism" will mean avoiding camp. Really that is all I ask for as far as "realism" goes for superman.

Play it straight with humor when appropriate but avoid camp and parody.

[Polux]

For the life of me, I cannot get why people keep using "realism" when talking about Nolan's Batman....he never went for realism, he went for "verosimilitude" (sp?), the same way Richard Donner did with S:TM, Nolan said it himself....
:whatever:

Polux

[Kurosawa]

For the life of me, I cannot get why people keep using "realism" when talking about Nolan's Batman....he never went for realism, he went for "verosimilitude" (sp?), the same way Richard Donner did with S:TM, Nolan said it himself....
:whatever:

Polux

"Realism" is the biggest crock of **** ever where a superhero movie is concerned.

[Young Superman]

Agreed

[SpiderByte]

"Realism" is the biggest crock of **** ever where a superhero movie is concerned.

To a point, yes. Some characters designs can't really be changed, like Professor X (well, except for the wheelchair), Deadpool, (because, come on, Deadpool, with realism? His personality already defies it). Then you have HUGE big-times, like Superman. Sure, the costume might look odd in real life, but its freaking SUPERMAN. His EXISTENCE is unrealistic.

The only heroes I can think of where realism might actually be a good thing are Iron Man, Hawkeye (I mean, the suit is great, but maybe a slightly darker shade of purple), and maybe Hulk (see Ang Lee's version with it's very stupid version of the way Hulk runs).

[Sub-Zero]

"Realism" is the biggest crock of **** ever where a superhero movie is concerned.

agreed. even batman wasn't as realistic as people argue it was. it is first and foremost a superhero film. let's not take away from that.

superman is about hope and giving the downtrodden something to believe in. think if nolan's harvey dent was a superhero. it could be awesome, but it could turn into superman iv where he tries to rid the world of nuclear weapons, but creates nuclear man. it's all about the story and writers at this point. once they have that. then they should talk about casting.

[bgshw44]

it is possible if they can get filming underway by at least early 2011 for a 2012 release. Since most films are what 3-5 months of filming time, and then the real bulk time is either pre production or post production which could go a few months or yr or so right. That is usually how it is for these pictures.

i think they are looking at a winter 2012 release, barring any unforseen circumstance, but this is hollywood so that could be almost anything

[SpiderByte]

Although, the costume from the first film needs to change. But it can't be a complete overhaul, and throw off the GA.

Here's what I'll think they'll do. They'll change the costume enough so that a film geek or fan would notice it, but not confuse the GA.

Like a change from this:
http://www.agirlsworld.com/rachel/hangin-with/pix/superman1.jpg

To this: (And yes, I did make this one)

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii289/SpiderByte_photo/superman1.jpg

What do you think of that?

[Mr. Earle]

Much, much better but still far from the comics suit which looks better. The Returns suit was so damn plastic...

[Excel]

BOOOOO wheres the newsssss!?

[SpiderByte]

Much, much better but still far from the comics suit which looks better. The Returns suit was so damn plastic...

The embossed logo was nice, in my view. The cape should have been a different texture, though.

[Webhead2006]

i doubt the next costume will look like anything like routh's suit.

[kalelkilla]

Over at newsarama, they have the beginning of an interview with the author of the new Superman reboot in the comics world called Superman:Earth One. The writer sounds like he just made the perfect pitch for the new Superman reboot in film...here is a lil piece of the interview....

"So I like to look at why a great deal. When DC and Dan DiDio approached me about writing a Superman GN that would in essence reboot the character, why was the first question I went to. We all know that Clark Kent is Superman. But why is he Superman? What prompted him to put on that uniform? Why did he decide to become Superman? What was, for lack of a better term, his Garden of Gethsemane moment? Like Saul on the road to Damascus, what caused the scales to fall from his eyes and reveal his destiny, bringing a new name and a new mission?"

This is what the main stream audience wants to see and I think Nolan and Co. would be wise to look at this comic once it comes out later tis year...

[Showtime]

What he is describing sounds good, but in reality it is an old template that has been for years in all levels of media. He is discussing part of the 'Hero's Journey'

[Webhead2006]

That is true and those hero archtype is how most comic characters came about from if i recall correctly right. Then JMS who is writing that earth one graphic novel maybe it could be used as template for film maybe not. Since we dont have any details on script/story yet there is alot of ways things could go.

[Dark Knight]

For the life of me, I cannot get why people keep using "realism" when talking about Nolan's Batman....he never went for realism, he went for "verosimilitude" (sp?), the same way Richard Donner did with S:TM, Nolan said it himself....
:whatever:

Polux





Exactly.....

[Cuyan]

i doubt the next costume will look like anything like routh's suit.
I'm thinking it'll look something like the SR suit.

Y'know, since it's still Superman and all.

[Webhead2006]

i was more talking on the colors, patterns, materials will probably be totally different.

[thorstone]

I find it hard to fit Nolan's Batman with Superman.
Batman's suit has to change in the next film with cloth covering the armor as with real riot gear.

[Kurosawa]

Over at newsarama, they have the beginning of an interview with the author of the new Superman reboot in the comics world called Superman:Earth One. The writer sounds like he just made the perfect pitch for the new Superman reboot in film...here is a lil piece of the interview....

"So I like to look at why a great deal. When DC and Dan DiDio approached me about writing a Superman GN that would in essence reboot the character, why was the first question I went to. We all know that Clark Kent is Superman. But why is he Superman? What prompted him to put on that uniform? Why did he decide to become Superman? What was, for lack of a better term, his Garden of Gethsemane moment? Like Saul on the road to Damascus, what caused the scales to fall from his eyes and reveal his destiny, bringing a new name and a new mission?"

This is what the main stream audience wants to see and I think Nolan and Co. would be wise to look at this comic once it comes out later tis year...

Superman is bigger and more unique than typical heroic templates.

[Cuyan]

How is Superman more unique than anyone else? He's like Supergenericman.

[Kurosawa]

How is Superman more unique than anyone else? He's like Supergenericman.

For starters, everything with other superheroes is amplified 100 times over with Superman. Anything that might seem generic about Superman is only that way because so many superhero conventions started with him. The biggest difference is his origins and the dual identity. Most superheroes are the same person in and out of costume, but Superman has a completely different identity that he assumes partially to deal with his huge self-imposed burden.

And apart from his in-universe importance, the cultural and historical importance of the character is of course unmatched among comics characters. The next most important character doesn't even come close.

[Cuyan]

So he's more unique because he's more identifiable?

Also, I found this:
http://ofnoobsandmen.com/comics/2009-03-10.jpg

[Kurosawa]

So he's more unique because he's more identifiable?

Also, I found this:
http://ofnoobsandmen.com/comics/2009-03-10.jpg

What's generic about him? If anything other superheroes are generic because they copied him. And as I said before, almost all other superheroes are the same person in and out of costume-they do not have the depth of an assumed personality. Spider-Man is the same guy in and out of costume. Superman adapts a completely different persona, and there is more to it than just an act but not so much that he is schizo.

[Cuyan]

To me, Kal-el doesn't really seem to have a personality beyond being the uber-boyscout. In my experience I have never seen him to be portrayed as a person with flaws, which, in my opinion, makes for a real character.

[Kurosawa]

To me, Kal-el doesn't really seem to have a personality beyond being the uber-boyscout. In my experience I have never seen him to be portrayed as a person with flaws, which, in my opinion, makes for a real character.

Then you haven't read the right stories. I don't care for the big blue boy scout ******** myself, and that is one of the reasons I advocate a purist back to the basics version that is closer to the Siegel and Shuster original. I feel that they have taken the character too far from what made him interesting to people in the first place.

[craigdbfan]

With the reboot I hope they actually give SM Braniac as a villain as he will give everything this reboot will need.

Someone already mentioned it here but basically the action needs to be a bigger deal this time around to display the gigantic contrast between SM and humans. By witnessing these two juggernauts going at it and inflicting so much damage to Metropolis and other cities, humans will wonder if SM is every bit of hazard as he is a blessing.

An amazing story can be made. Just really hope WB is taking this route, just because there will be more action this time around doesn't mean they have to sacrifice the character and the plot if all are merged effortlessly as one fluid and entertaining movie.

[Cuyan]

Then you haven't read the right stories. I don't care for the big blue boy scout ******** myself, and that is one of the reasons I advocate a purist back to the basics version that is closer to the Siegel and Shuster original. I feel that they have taken the character too far from what made him interesting to people in the first place.
Are you implying that there exists a currently running comic in which he is depicted in a way contrary to what I have seen? If so, then please let me know so I can procure it immediately.

[Daybreak_st]

From Superman: Birthright

As promised here's one image i found online:

http://www.biggercheese.com/superman.jpg

Originally Posted by Daybreak_st http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=18059030#post18059030)
Here's the follow up page:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1195/birthrightscan1.jpg

hardly the boyscout wouldn't you say?

[Young Superman]

Superman was badass in Birthright, which I loved. I also loved Supes sideburns.

[Young Superman]

What about this as the costume for the reboot?
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3645/supermanleveledlores.jpg

[SpiderByte]

I'd like the logo to be embossed, but about the size in that pick, yeah.

[GreenKToo]

Just a tad smaller on the ''S'' on his chest, but not much. Blue needs to be a little brighter as well ( for me it does anyway).
I want the \S/ on the cape, I like that.
Not sure about the boots....maybe.

[Bad Superman]

His hair looks like Ryu's. :D

[SpiderByte]

It DOES look like Ryu's!

[Bad Superman]

Just put the red bandana on and you got him. :D

[SpiderByte]

This could be one of the greatest things in the history of Superman. This even dwarfs Red Son.

and the best part?

No more bastard whiny kids for Superman! WOOT!

[Bad Superman]

This could be one of the greatest things in the history of Superman. This even dwarfs Red Son.

and the best part?

No more bastard whiny kids for Superman! WOOT!

YEEEEAAAAHHHHHH :cmad::up::up:

I always hated the kid subplot. Totally unnecessary.

[Daybreak_st]

His hair looks like Ryu's. :D


I can see it now:

Superman: "Hey Lex guess what?"

Lex: "What?"

http://recluse.me/images/hadouken.jpg
Superman: "Hadouken...that's what"

[SpiderByte]

Although it was pretty funny when that kid threw a piano.

[Bad Superman]

I can see it now:

Superman: "Hey Lex guess what?"

Lex: "What?"

http://recluse.me/images/hadouken.jpg
Superman: "Hadouken...that's what"

That beats the cellophane \S/ any day of the week. :woot::up:

Although it was pretty funny when that kid threw a piano.

That was the only kid moment I liked. I thought: Hey, that is something Chucky would do. :woot:

[Mr. Earle]

I can see it now:

Superman: "Hey Lex guess what?"

Lex: "What?"

http://recluse.me/images/hadouken.jpg
Superman: "Hadouken...that's what" :lmao:

[SpiderByte]

I can see it now:

Superman: "Hey Lex guess what?"

Lex: "What?"

http://recluse.me/images/hadouken.jpg
Superman: "Hadouken...that's what"

:lmao:

I missed that the first time.

[SuperMike335!!]

From Superman: Birthright



hardly the boyscout wouldn't you say?

Hardely.

That is an IMPOSING BADASS.

That is what I think of with Superman.

Towering powerful Mythic Demigod among humans.

[terry78]

See, that feels like you're turning Superman into Batman with that Birthright thing. He should be the polar opposite of Bruce Wayne, yet still similar in that he wants to see justice done.

[SpiderByte]

Updated manip suit:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii289/SpiderByte_photo/superman1-1.jpg

[kalelkilla]

Between Birthright, Superman for All Seasons, and possibly Superman: Earth One that comes out later this year, Nolan will have plenty of good material to reboot Superman for a modern audience. He can pick and choose the best elements of each one and put versions of them on the screen.

[SpiderByte]

I just realized why they made the \S/ small in SR:

Movement.
With the type of material they used to make the symbol, if it were too large, Routh would have trouble turning his torso around.

[kalelkilla]

What he is describing sounds good, but in reality it is an old template that has been for years in all levels of media. He is discussing part of the 'Hero's Journey'

Then that's what needs to be done to reboot the franchise and to draw in more audience members and make a ton of money. That's what the mainstream audience wants to see. Although I don't need to see the origin in every detail, but don't forget that the origin hasn't been seen on the big screen for nearly 30 years. As long as he puts part of the origin that we haven't seen on the screen before (ala Batman Begins) than the movie shoud be a huge success with fanboys and people that know nothing about Superman. You can't assume that people keep up with their Superman history (right Bryan Singer?).

[Daybreak_st]

Hardely.

That is an IMPOSING BADASS.

That is what I think of with Superman.

Towering powerful Mythic Demigod among humans.


Here's something i just stumbled across from the "For Tommorrow" superman storyline:

http://www.exploringtheuniverse.net/images/superduper/fortomorrow1-3928.jpg

[SuperMike335!!]

See, that feels like you're turning Superman into Batman with that Birthright thing. He should be the polar opposite of Bruce Wayne, yet still similar in that he wants to see justice done.


Superman should be imposing, yet different kind of imposing. He should seem powerful, and magestic, and not be too nice.

Batman is imposing like a creature of the dark, like a Gargoyle. Dark ghostly sillouette.

Superman is imposing in the light, like a Demigod. Tall, strong, and rugged.

[Webhead2006]

With the reboot I hope they actually give SM Braniac as a villain as he will give everything this reboot will need.

Someone already mentioned it here but basically the action needs to be a bigger deal this time around to display the gigantic contrast between SM and humans. By witnessing these two juggernauts going at it and inflicting so much damage to Metropolis and other cities, humans will wonder if SM is every bit of hazard as he is a blessing.

An amazing story can be made. Just really hope WB is taking this route, just because there will be more action this time around doesn't mean they have to sacrifice the character and the plot if all are merged effortlessly as one fluid and entertaining movie.

I too hope they will find the right balance in a good story with good characters and good solid action.

[Mr. Earle]

Superman has his batmanesque moments but not too often. I personally love it when they piss him off and his eyes flare up (same way as Darkseid's), ready to incinerate everything in his path.

[Dark Knight]

With the reboot I hope they actually give SM Braniac as a villain as he will give everything this reboot will need.

Someone already mentioned it here but basically the action needs to be a bigger deal this time around to display the gigantic contrast between SM and humans. By witnessing these two juggernauts going at it and inflicting so much damage to Metropolis and other cities, humans will wonder if SM is every bit of hazard as he is a blessing.

An amazing story can be made. Just really hope WB is taking this route, just because there will be more action this time around doesn't mean they have to sacrifice the character and the plot if all are merged effortlessly as one fluid and entertaining movie.






Agreed.

If this Supes 3.0 reboot decides to just go with the Lex as the ONLY primary villain.....then that will be a HUGE mistake and I think WB's, Nolan and the writers of the script they may already like realize this.

The WB insider mentioned that "that they already know what they don't want". I would hope this would mean, that they don't want a repeat of the mistakes Superman Returns made and will make sure the reboot doesn't make the same mistake twice.

Then I think it can be relatively safe to assume that we will see OTHER villains from the Supes mythos that we have not seen onscreen in any other previous Superman film before.

I'm hoping for Brainiac as the main threat/baddie and his organic looking creepy robots and LexCorp Lex on the side.

[terry78]

Give us one scene where he has to fight a giant robot. I don't care how they fit it into the context of the plot, but have him beat the **** out of a giant robot.

[Cuyan]

Like a giant robot spider?

[Webhead2006]

yea we need to have a solid action villain like a metallo/brainiac, but dont cut out lex fully. HE should have his time in the film too as a smaller role but be a good supporting player in the whole thing. To set him up as the corp/political take this time now. As for costume i wouldnt mind if it looked like that earth one upcoming graphic novel just with brighter/bolder blues/reds/yellows.

[dark_b]

Like a giant robot spider?we dont joke about spiders in the superman section
http://i47.tinypic.com/2qv8j10.gif

jon peters never existed :dry:

[Daybreak_st]

we dont joke about spiders in the superman section
http://i47.tinypic.com/2qv8j10.gif

jon peters never existed :dry:


:hehe: that is awesome!

[Daybreak_st]

Give us one scene where he has to fight a giant robot. I don't care how they fit it into the context of the plot, but have him beat the **** out of a giant robot.


I totally agree have superman fight something huge!

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5307/supsvsmonkey.jpg

No other superhero has done this and just watch transformers to see how good giant robots can look.

Other than the giant robot i want to see superman battle a hulk-like beast

IJE2SY-kNJU


and a horde of human sized robots like the ones from i-robot

http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/1/4/14457_400x600.jpg

If i saw all that on screen with a solid story, i'd be a happy man.

[Lighthouse]

I think an officer in the movie shouting "Get back and let Superman do his job." would be priceless.

[Showtime]

we dont joke about spiders in the superman section
http://i47.tinypic.com/2qv8j10.gif

jon peters never existed :dry:

Oh boy. I love that. My new avatar!

Can you focus more on the face and still leave it animated the way it is. Shaky. Make the eyes glow red for a second.

[SpiderByte]

Something I threw together I thought you all would like:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii289/SpiderByte_photo/supermanreboot.jpg

:D

[Kurosawa]

Are you implying that there exists a currently running comic in which he is depicted in a way contrary to what I have seen? If so, then please let me know so I can procure it immediately.

Most recent series that portrayed Superman the way I like him and find him interesting was All-Star Superman. Although I still like the Bronze Age version by Maggin better.

[Kurosawa]

What about this as the costume for the reboot?
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3645/supermanleveledlores.jpg

Make the \S/ on the cape all yellow and that's fine.

[MAN O STEEL]

http://i47.tinypic.com/2qv8j10.gif


"YES THEY DESERVED TO DIE & I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!" - A Time To Kill







Steve

[Webhead2006]

well if they went with metallo as badguy they could have him end up having that growing feature i seen pictures of one of the takes being able to do.

[Timstuff]

Metallo is the perfect villain to start off with IMO, because not only is he a match for Superman under normal circumstances, but he can also augment himself to increase his size. You can start off with the typical "two super dudes duking it out," but then climax with Superman vs. a kaiju sized robot of doom.

http://i50.tinypic.com/30ijleq.jpg

[kalelkilla]

I don't know if it would be cooler to see Superman fight something that big or if it would be cooler to see him fight hundreds of normal sized "things" all over Metropolis...or perhaps all over the world.

[Webhead2006]

well it would be something totally different then we have seen with a superman movie. We got the tech to pull off a skyscrapper size badguys now. Sure i would want him to start human size and then the growing thing be something that happens with him later in the movie.

[Daybreak_st]

I don't know if it would be cooler to see Superman fight something that big or if it would be cooler to see him fight hundreds of normal sized "things" all over Metropolis...or perhaps all over the world.


I'd love to see both :wow:!!! I just want a very dynamic superman with visually amazing battles, the old superman movies never did it, smallville's battles are like 2 secs (although they have had a few nice moments). I'd love to see supes using heat vision and battling a horde of brainiac bots that look something like sonny from i-robot.

[Octoberist]

I totally agree have superman fight something huge!

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5307/supsvsmonkey.jpg



If i saw all that on screen with a solid story, i'd be a happy man.

where is this panel from? Which Superman TPB?

[SpiderByte]

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Tom%20Welling%20Superman.jpg

It's still possible...Welling is a great actor, has already had a ton of experience to how Clark would react to a situation....not likely, but you never know.

[kalelkilla]

^^^ great actor? c'mon dude, I love Smallville but Tom Welling is NOT a GREAT actor...

[SpiderByte]

Okay, maybe not a great actor, but a great Clark Kent.

[Supermanila]

DC Entertainment Names Executive Management Team (http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=9087)

The new senior executive team includes Jim Lee and Dan DiDio, who have been named Co-Publishers of DC Comics, and Geoff Johns, who will serve as Chief Creative Officer of DC Entertainment. Additionally, John Rood has been named Executive Vice President, Sales, Marketing and Business Development, and Patrick Caldon will serve as Executive Vice President, Finance and Administration. Each of these executives will report directly to Nelson.

I'd say good things are in store for us for the next few years, especially for superman, Geoff Johns as Chief Creative Officer of DC Entertainment :)

[Mr. Earle]

Geoff Johns is Chief Creative Officer for DC Ent?
What does that mean? Is he in charge of cartoons and movies?

[LostSon88]

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Tom%20Welling%20Superman.jpg

It's still possible...Welling is a great actor, has already had a ton of experience to how Clark would react to a situation....not likely, but you never know.

My thing is...I don't know if I'd be comfortable with Welling as Superman w/o his supporting cast. Can't imagine his Clark interacting with a different actor/actress for Lex, Lois, Martha, etc.

In a way, it'd kinda defeat the purpose of brining Welling on board to begin with. The idea of progressing his version of CK onto the big screen but with an entire new cast? What's the point?

And seeing how its unlikely for there to be some sort of 'package deal' (I mean c'mon we're talking Hollywood here, odds of translating the ENTIRE SV cast into a big budget blockbuster? Yeah right.) for a Welling led Supes film, i'd rather they just get someone brand new.

[SpiderByte]

True point.
Maybe they could call him in for reference?

[SpiderByte]

Say....

What about Thomas Dekker as Jimmy Olsen?

http://screencrave.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/so-fresh-thomas-dekker.jpg

[Billy Batson]

http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/Tom%20Welling%20Superman.jpg

It's still possible...


:awesome:

[Young Superman]

I wish but it's not gonna happen.:csad:

[I_am_iron_man]

"Wouldn't you like to know!" laughed Nelson when asked if there was any truth to the recent rumor that "The Dark Knight" director Christopher Nolan will oversee a reboot of the "Superman" movie franchise (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/02/09/christopher-nolan-to-mentor-new-superman-movies-unlikely-to-direct/).

"We don't have any plans about that, and as I've mentioned, in the coming months we'll be making a lot of announcements about what our content plans will be," she added. "But right now, that's nothing but rumor — and we frankly don't say a whole lot more about rumor than that, so..."


SOURCE: http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/02/18/watchmen-sequels-and-christopher-nolans-superman-are-just-rumors-says-dc-president/

[SuperMike335!!]

SOURCE: http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/02/18/watchmen-sequels-and-christopher-nolans-superman-are-just-rumors-says-dc-president/


KRAP !!! :cmad: :csad:

[RachelDawes]

It's not a total denial...

[FilmNerdJamie]

Yeah, executives never lie.

[SuperDaniel]

Expecting any Superman movie from WB after the disgrace that was SR would be a miracle.It`s the same company that thought JJ Abrams wrote the best script ever. A script, that while epic and fun, had the basics for every character completely wrong and no simple rewrite would change that without changing every character motivation.

Truth is:Nobody really knows how to write or handle Superman nowadays, really, IMO, aside from Grant Morrison.

Not even Geoff Johns with his but-kissing Donner complex. Secret Origins was a pure disappointment in my eyes. We`ll see what JMS and Earth-one is going to do.

"It is our only hope"

At least i can be happy with Green Lantern getting of the ground and looking really promising.

[SuperMike335!!]

Yeah, executives never lie.


That's a good point.

Here is me holding out hope that what really happened was an information leak that they wanted to keep a lid on for the time being.

:awesome:

[GreenKToo]

Wow...way to kill the buzz there Nelson.

[Showtime]

The Finke leak was obviously intentional. WB/DC could have played it a couple ways, they could deny it or shrug it off, just like Nelson is doing...

or

They could have furthered it by adding to the information. No idea why they are taking this route.

[LostSon88]

Perhaps it was the 'centerpiece' of their eventual announcement plans for DC Entertainment and they're upset it was leaked?

That's the best I can come up with... :huh:

[SuperMike335!!]

The Finke leak was obviously intentional. WB/DC could have played it a couple ways, they could deny it or shrug it off, just like Nelson is doing...

or

They could have furthered it by adding to the information. No idea why they are taking this route.

Maybe they are trying to build up some Hype, get some attention so when further announcements are made they already have everyone’s attention?

Just get us all excited for fun? Test the waters to see if there is still fan interest in Superman?

[SpiderByte]

Do they THINK we are not geeks?

[Showtime]

The leak had intentional written all over it. Jamie and myself knew about it before hand, Drudge knew about it, so on and so forth. It looks like a case of MTV cornering Nelson and she wasn't really prepared to discuss.

[rocco2216]

Why don't they just go ahead and announce their slate already?

[craigdbfan]

Well one way or another it should all get cleared soon with DC Entertainments announcement and all.

When she says they'll reveal more in the "coming months" it makes it seem as if they are going to show their overall plan in increments. Not all at once.

Which is probably better. Gives them and fans time to absorb all the announcements.

[LostSon88]

Nah...I like the way Marvel did it when they announced their entire slate right after IM was released.

Announcing Thor, Captain America, and IM2 together and elaborating on how it would all lead to The Avengers. It was like a geek overload! I remember that day well...

:applaud

[Kurosawa]

Kills me how DC has no clue how to market their characters. Very stupid to be a buzzkill.

[craigdbfan]

Nah...I like the way Marvel did it when they announced their entire slate right after IM was released.

Announcing Thor, Captain America, and IM2 together and elaborating on how it would all lead to The Avengers. It was like a geek overload! I remember that day well...

:applaud

Well, yeah.

Both ways are ok in my book. Although the way DC is going about it is a bit unnerving.

[Mace Dolex]

Nah...I like the way Marvel did it when they announced their entire slate right after IM was released.

Announcing Thor, Captain America, and IM2 together and elaborating on how it would all lead to The Avengers. It was like a geek overload! I remember that day well...

:applaud
I hate it when they announce movies that are not even set in stone yet, no actors, no script, no director, no nothing. A lot can happen that some movie might never get made.

Oh but all we get is Avi Arad's tiresome response that they have an "excellent" script.

[LostSon88]

To be honest, i'm still iffy as to whether they'll be able to get "The Avengers" off the ground...

There's just so many things and variables to consider, esp. when something of that caliber has never been attempted before.

[thorstone]

I agree with the desire to see Superman fight a battle against some giant rancor/Garthok alien beast.

But just say no to generic robots with human shaped skulls.

[craigdbfan]

To be honest, i'm still iffy as to whether they'll be able to get "The Avengers" off the ground...

There's just so many things and variables to consider, esp. when something of that caliber has never been attempted before.

They'll do it.

What director will get picked for the duty better be ready and well versed with what Marvel has already set up.

Although I think its under control. Their attempts at independently producing these films (IM, IM2, TIH) have been pretty successful, minus TIH BO which was modest and not a complete bomb. Thor is already in production and Captain America is really close to casting.

I'd say they are closer than any studio to make the first successful superhero team movie.

[rocco2216]

The leak had intentional written all over it. Jamie and myself knew about it before hand, Drudge knew about it, so on and so forth. It looks like a case of MTV cornering Nelson and she wasn't really prepared to discuss.

Who's Drudge?

[Webhead2006]

man i do hope nelson is just joking around. i would hate if we are back at square one with nothing really going on. But yea who knows what is up. Hopefully it will be clear soon.

[rocco2216]

man i do hope nelson is just joking around. i would hate if we are back at square one with nothing really going on. But yea who knows what is up. Hopefully it will be clear soon.

They're not ready to announce it yet I'm sure. She wasn't going to just say "Oh you got me, yes it's true." She says it's just a rumor. LOL, well of course it's a rumor, doesn't mean it's not true.

[Dark Knight]

Love seeing Lee, Johns, and DiDio in these positions with DCE. Congrats to them on their new positions!

Especially Lee and Johns....those guys deserve it big time and their work has always been great! I have met, shook hands, chatted and took pics with those guys and they cool kats!

The sky is the limit now for DC characters on the big screen!

FINALLY!

[Dark Knight]

DC Entertainment Names Executive Management Team (http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=9087)



I'd say good things are in store for us for the next few years, especially for superman, Geoff Johns as Chief Creative Officer of DC Entertainment :)





Yep...and I have a feeling special things may start with Green Lantern next year. Johns was a consultant to Campbell when rewrites of the GL screenplay were taking place.

[Kokomo29]

So, Showtime - despite what Nelson said, the info concerning Nolan is still accurate? I really, really hope that it is!!!

[Dark Knight]

So, Showtime - despite what Nelson said, the info concerning Nolan is still accurate? I really, really hope that it is!!!



Too much smoke for it not to be relatively accurate IMO.

[Dark Knight]

So, Showtime - despite what Nelson said, the info concerning Nolan is still accurate? I really, really hope that it is!!!



double post

[Kokomo29]

Too much smoke for it not to be relatively accurate IMO.

Now that I think about it, you're right. News of this magnitude has to have some roots... somewhere :cwink: I really hope that we are given something official soon, though.

[Lobo]

Where there's smoke there's usually fire...and double posts :woot:

[FlawlessVictory]

Kills me how DC has no clue how to market their characters. Very stupid to be a buzzkill.

Wow...way to kill the buzz there Nelson.

Typical. A WB exec not knowing how to handle a situation with a DC character. I see not much has changed.

Why don't they just go ahead and announce their slate already?

Good question. Now we have this quote: in the coming months we'll be making a lot of announcements about what our content plans will be

Why do I get the feeling that a couple of months will turn into next year and then the year after that we should expect announcements, etc... Heard this too many times with this studio. Just fn announce it already and stop with this "in the coming months" bs! :cmad:

[SpiderByte]

Kills me how DC has no clue how to market their characters. Very stupid to be a buzzkill.

It's just one of those things, isn't it? Sometimes you think they don't have a clue what their doing, other times they seem like total geniuses.

Still, I mean, bringing in Nolan for reference isn't even a total rumor. If he were said to be the director, it would make sense, but to bring him in to be involved at all, seems very, very possible.

As for the denial: I call BS.

[Showtime]

Who's Drudge?


http://www.drudgereport.com/

[SuperMike335!!]

http://www.drudgereport.com/



I thought Drudge was mainly for non-mainstream political news.

[Kal-El Fan]

They're not ready to announce it yet I'm sure. She wasn't going to just say "Oh you got me, yes it's true." She says it's just a rumor. LOL, well of course it's a rumor, doesn't mean it's not true.
Agreed.
If it is true, and she just wanted to further speculation, wouldn't have been better to say, "You heard what?! Hmmmm...that's very interesting..." or something like that? It's a nice non-answer that increases buzz and gets everyone talking.

[zerohour films]

Why do I get the feeling that a couple of months will turn into next year and then the year after that we should expect announcements, etc... Heard this too many times with this studio. Just fn announce it already and stop with this "in the coming months" bs! :cmad:

We will get something...eventually. Even though it does always feel like WB is always telling us that they will announce something soon----but soon never gets here.

Granted the announcement we just got about the creative forces now behind DC Entertainment is excellent and big news----it will be even better to hear what exactly they are moving forward with (and if Superman is included or not).

[Showtime]

I thought Drudge was mainly for non-mainstream political news.


He's friends with Finke.

[Webhead2006]

i do hate when we dont have any solid news and it blows when all we get is its coming soon over and over again. But with the new team in place for DCE hopefully we will be getting what we want to hear.

[solidsnake86]

Well in all fairness this wasn't a movie specific announcement and was technically a bit more geared to the comic division. With that being said it must be annoying or funny to constantly be asked questions about the film division/superman especially when this had to do with the management team being announced. She didn't deny anything though which is a good sign. I think with Green Lantern shooting is less then 20 days (if that march 10th start date was confirmed we'll here something. It does seem like they keep on saying "soon" in regards to these announcements but we've had a steady stream of news in regards to dc properties for the past three weeks now.

[rocco2216]

I mean of course she wasn't going to just spill everything and announce it all prematurely.

[Webhead2006]

well when ever we get official news it would be great.

[Webhead2006]

well when ever we get official news it would be great.

[SpiderByte]

Say, I was thinking:

What about JMC's Superman?

http://fanartexhibit.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/superman_rebooted.jpg

[Webhead2006]

it would be a bit odd design to go with. There is bits i like.

[DavidTyler]

Say, I was thinking:

What about JMC's Superman?

http://fanartexhibit.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/superman_rebooted.jpg

Wasn't there a character called 'The Patchwork Man'? Everytime this design resurfaces, that's all I can think of.

We could call him 'SuperQuiltMan'

And the buckle makes me think of the grill of a car from the 1950's.

[JAK®]

I actually like that design. It's been around for a couple of years now (with JMC fine-tuning it) but this is the first time I believe it would be a suitable alternative for a film.

[elgaz]

I think it's a fantastic design and a very modern take on the Superman look. In this day and age, he really needs rid of the trunks!

Lose some of the textured effect and tone down the overall patchwork look and you have a winner IMO

[Mr. Earle]

I dont even know why we re even discussing this. Superman's suit is the most iconic of the industry and unlike Batman, he isnt a "realistic" character so he can wear anything. I dont wont the Patchman posted above, or Singer's pajamas, i want superman's suit, without the 3D plastic emblem and the rubber cape.

[Slugster]

I dont even know why we re even discussing this. Superman's suit is the most iconic of the industry and unlike Batman, he isnt a "realistic" character so he can wear anything. I dont wont the Patchman posted above, or Singer's pajamas, i want superman's suit, without the 3D plastic emblem and the rubber cape.

I agree 100%

[Webhead2006]

yea for me i would like to keep it classic of course. Since superman is one of the only heroes who could really rock the look. Its all about the asthistic look and materials used.

[solidsnake86]

I don't see the purpose of changing the costume and then trying to keep all three colours in there for the sake of it. To me its better to keep it classic all the way. The trunks break up the suit because it being all blue with a yellow belt doesn't look good. The only costume redesign that I have liked is the one from godfall, now that was a great looking costume and would rather they use those colours then do the patch work like the above manip just for the sake of keeping red, blue and yellow.

[El Payaso]

source: http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/02/18/watchmen-sequels-and-christopher-nolans-superman-are-just-rumors-says-dc-president/

ack!

[bunk]

The Watchmen stuff can be a rumor for all I care. Hope the Nolan move is real though.

[RachelDawes]

I like Patchman, except for the blue on the back of the boots.

[Webhead2006]

I know with all the crap that has been going on with superman since SR. Nabbing nolan would be a good move to us fans, and to critics and all that. But hopefully we will know soon enough if diane was just pulling our leg like execs do or not. if not i do hope we get solid producers/writers/director on board for this project.

[jmc]

I dont even know why we re even discussing this. Superman's suit is the most iconic of the industry and unlike Batman, he isnt a ''realistic'' character so he can wear anything. I dont wont the Patchman posted above, or Singer's pajamas, i want superman's suit, without the 3D plastic emblem and the rubber cape.

As long as the suit is clearly recognizable there's is no issue. I actually like that design. It's been around for a couple of years now (with JMC fine-tuning it) but this is the first time I believe it would be a suitable alternative for a film.

I'm fine tuning it again. Mostly the lower half, never been as happy with that section as I have been the torso.

[SpiderByte]

Although, the way the cape loops around his neck, it looks like you could hang Supes with it.

[Kurosawa]

I dont even know why we re even discussing this. Superman's suit is the most iconic of the industry and unlike Batman, he isnt a "realistic" character so he can wear anything. I dont wont the Patchman posted above, or Singer's pajamas, i want superman's suit, without the 3D plastic emblem and the rubber cape.

Agree 150%.

[Mr. Earle]

Agree 150%.
See? We agree on something! Yay! :woot:

[SuperDaniel]

Isn`t that a miracle? LOL. I also agree with him!! YAY x2

[DavidTyler]

Kurosawa and I have extremely different opinions on the inner workings of the character but in complete agreement on the visual..... or at least on the costume.

I'm tired of all the reinventions....

Just give me the classic costume with an ordinary round buckle and the all yellow \S/ on the cape.

The only thing I think I'd like to see that hasn't been done in the movie costumes is the way the cape drapes. I think I'd like to see it hang low in the back as George Reeve's cape does and as Joe Kubert draws it. It would be an interesting visual change from the cape that's tight to his collar.+

[SpiderByte]

I personally liked the 'S' in Returns. The only real problems I could see was that it was a little small, and the shade of red. Other than that, I really, really liked it.

[SuperMike335!!]

Kurosawa and I have extremely different opinions on the inner workings of the character but in complete agreement on the visual..... or at least on the costume.

I'm tired of all the reinventions....

Just give me the classic costume with an ordinary round buckle and the all yellow \S/ on the cape.

The only thing I think I'd like to see that hasn't been done in the movie costumes is the way the cape drapes. I think I'd like to see it hang low in the back as George Reeve's cape does and as Joe Kubert draws it. It would be an interesting visual change from the cape that's tight to his collar.+


I'm ok with the belt buckle being gold. Just makes the belt look less like plastic.

Other than that I too agree that classic is the way to go.

Superman does not need armor, he is armor.

[Mr. Earle]

I personally liked the 'S' in Returns. The only real problems I could see was that it was a little small, and the shade of red. Other than that, I really, really liked it.The S in returns was small on purpose because had it been bigger, it would hinder Routh's movement, being a big piece of plastic and all.
I'd rather he has a cloth emblem than that thing.
I'm tired of all the reinventions....

Just give me the classic costume with an ordinary round buckle and the all yellow \S/ on the cape.
I agree on everything besides the emblem on the cape. I never liked it. I thought it was cheesy. I think they ve even removed it from some of the comics. And if he is going to have an emblem, i think this makes more sense. The S isnt lost in a yellow diamond. It makes sense.
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3645/supermanleveledlores.jpg

[SpiderByte]

I still think JMC's design would look great on film.

[SpiderByte]

To fully celebrate the possiblilty of Nolan saving the project, I made this:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii289/SpiderByte_photo/batman_begins_logo-2.jpg

[Vaibow]

I'm ok with the belt buckle being gold. Just makes the belt look less like plastic.

Other than that I too agree that classic is the way to go.

Superman does not need armor, he is armor.


If you are Clark and it's 2010, you decide to go public with your powers after being labelled the super man, you would not create the 'original' superman costume! It is very very dated - you would be like..

"mum i am not wearing red speedo's over the tights'

The pants would be the first thing to go.

If you went down the route of his costume being actual clothes worn by kryptonians, do you really thing they would walk around dressed like that? If E.T landed tomorrow, would he be dressed like that?

Jor El, in the Donner Movies, if he placed one of those outfits in his son's cockpit, for comfort i guess, then i could see why Clark would wear that - would make far more sense.

I would like to see the suit as Kryptonian culture - found in the Fortress that, yes, was an out post.

Kryptonians have been on earth for centuries, studying, learning, here and there they intervene, help advance the human race.

Egyptian images in pyramids show men with wings, could be long ancestors.

Story of Hercules, Zues, Kryptonian visitors.

Maybe they are here to protect earth from an evil threat or to relocate brainiac that damaged krpyton and escaped to earth?

[Mr. Earle]

Zeus and Hercules exist in the DCU. Diana has met them and they re not Kryptonian.

[SpiderByte]

Although, he has a point. I can imagine no living person who could go around saving people in, basically, a speedo, and not feel embarrased in public.

[Mr. Earle]

Flashy suits are the cornerstone of the superhero genre. Jmc's manip is just as flashy and embarrassing as the standard one. So if you re gonna dress him in a flashy suit, he might as well look like Superman.

[SpiderByte]

True. But don't expect them not to change the design, at least a little. I woulnd't mind an \S/ shaped belt buckle, that would be pretty sweet.

[SpiderByte]

I believe this summarizes the Nolan argument quite nicely:

Nolan doesn't make realistic films.
He makes AWESOME films.

[Mr. Earle]

True. But don't expect them not to change the design, at least a little. I woulnd't mind an \S/ shaped belt buckle, that would be pretty sweet.

A little overkill dont you think?

[Nightwing1983]

I thought the \S/ belt buckle made it look like a Halloween costume. They can't put the \S/ on the back of the cape, but they can do that? Come on!

[SpiderByte]

If they did the cape logo too, then it would be. But if it were just the chest and belt, it would be okay.

The whole point of a film isn't just comics in live-action. You need to bring something unique and new to it. Like with Spider-Man, they used a design never used in the comics, and people loved it, especially with the webbing.

[SuperMike335!!]

Although, he has a point. I can imagine no living person who could go around saving people in, basically, a speedo, and not feel embarrased in public.

Qouted and Replied to in costume thread...:yay:

[Mr. Earle]

If they did the cape logo too, then it would be. But if it were just the chest and belt, it would be okay.

The whole point of a film isn't just comics in live-action. You need to bring something unique and new to it. Like with Spider-Man, they used a design never used in the comics, and people loved it, especially with the webbing.What? It was the same suit, it just had 3D webbings.
The suit they did change was Goblin's and nobody liked that.

[SpiderByte]

I liked the Goblin's suit. It was a nice change, for me at least.

[Webhead2006]

well the goblin suit worked for the backstory for the project. Visually it was cool though i would have loved to see it gone a bit differently. I agree for me out of the past decade of movie costumes spider-man is the best one. It takes the classic look with a few minor changes and comes off great. Now that is what i would like to see with superman this next attempt. Keep the classic look with a few modifications and better clothing material then what it was in the 70s/80s. Also a cloth/silk cape, tall/thick leather boots, i dont quite know what material for belt/trunks. As for the Chest S definatelly not plastic/sticking off the "tights" it should be sewed into the "tights" material so it bends and folds when superman moves his arms/chest.

[bunk]

What? It was the same suit, it just had 3D webbings.
The suit they did change was Goblin's and nobody liked that.

The raised webs were the only bad part of suit too, unsurprisingly. And yeah, Goblin was an abomination.

[Showtime]

To fully celebrate the possiblilty of Nolan saving the project, I made this:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii289/SpiderByte_photo/batman_begins_logo-2.jpg

http://www.rumorsdaily.com/brd/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/vlcsnap-135515.jpg

[Showtime]

True. But don't expect them not to change the design, at least a little. I woulnd't mind an \S/ shaped belt buckle, that would be pretty sweet.

I think they are going to veer much more towards classic.

[SpiderByte]

True, but, since they'll probably be using different materials for the suit, they'll have to modify it a little.

And I just realized: You know the scenes where Clark rips off his shirt and the suit is underneath?

If the suit is underneath...where does the cape go? And the boots?

[SpiderByte]

http://www.rumorsdaily.com/brd/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/vlcsnap-135515.jpg

Yeah, I was thinking of that symbol when I made it.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I was skeptical when this info first started to spread, and I'm still skeptical. Guess I've just been around the block long enough to see many "sure things" end up falling through.

What has always seemed a bit odd to me in this rumor is that they don't implicate any type of specific job function. E.g. Director/producer/exec

All that we've heard from the start of this rumor is Nolan being a possible "mentor"

To me that leaves 1 of 2 possibilities

1. The rumor is false.
2. The rumor is missing detail, thus missing accuracy. There were a few people talking about it, before the article release, which also brings to mind the telephone game. I could see some things that were lost in translation and just filled in to complete the story.

In a way I hope this pans out as it means production IS moving along...

-BUT-

I really think IF Nolan is involved he will carry a more significant title than "mentor"

Just my opinion, don't throw stones at me.

[Excel]

I just watched the Taented Mr. Ripley. I think Jude Law would be a baller Lex if he cant still be Superman.

[Sawyer]

I just watched the Taented Mr. Ripley. I think Jude Law would be a baller Lex if he cant still be Superman.

Definitely not right for Supes anymore. Too old. But I think he could definitely be a contender for Lex.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I just watched the Taented Mr. Ripley. I think Jude Law would be a baller Lex if he cant still be Superman.

At this point in his career, and with his age, that would probably be an easier way to go. Pulling off Lex for him is a given, the question is if the character of Superman would be developed in a modern interpretation that he could pull it off. Depending on how it is written, and how they can physically prepare him for Supes, I still think it's possible. Lex however? Easy as 123 for him :up:

[Kurosawa]

I think they are going to veer much more towards classic.

If it ain't broke, etc.

Of course that hasn't stopped them before.

[kalelkilla]

I'm starting to think that this whole Nolan to "godfather" Superman thing is B.S. And whoever is spreading these rumors as fact should be held accountable.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I'm starting to think that this whole Nolan to "godfather" Superman thing is B.S. And whoever is spreading these rumors as fact should be held accountable.

At the same time, shouldn't readers be held accountable? From the start of this rumor, I kept saying we should see it official before counting on it. I dunno, people just wanted movement on Supes film to be happening so ran with it.

Many of the insiders are still pushing the info as valid, so we'll see what happens. Till then, I am still being cautious for the reasons I pointed out in my earlier post.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Showtime I know you still believe in the Nolan info and have pretty much guaranteed it will follow through.

I've always shared info with you when I've heard it, so you know I understand how it works. A source (even from a reliable place) can get info that doesn't pan out, or ultimately changes/falls through at some point.

Maybe you can respond to my concerns from this post. If there is further reason you are sure the Nolan info is true, but can't say why, just let me know.

I was skeptical when this info first started to spread, and I'm still skeptical. Guess I've just been around the block long enough to see many "sure things" end up falling through.

What has always seemed a bit odd to me in this rumor is that they don't implicate any type of specific job function. E.g. Director/producer/exec

All that we've heard from the start of this rumor is Nolan being a possible "mentor"

To me that leaves 1 of 2 possibilities

1. The rumor is false.
2. The rumor is missing detail, thus missing accuracy. There were a few people talking about it, before the article release, which also brings to mind the telephone game. I could see some things that were lost in translation and just filled in to complete the story.

In a way I hope this pans out as it means production IS moving along...

-BUT-

I really think IF Nolan is involved he will carry a more significant title than "mentor"

Just my opinion, don't throw stones at me.

[Showtime]

So because Diane Nelson was wry with her answer something coming from Nikki Finke is now going to be called BS? You guys are lost in space.

[Showtime]

Showtime I know you still believe in the Nolan info and have pretty much guaranteed it will follow through.

I've always shared info with you when I've heard it, so you know I understand how it works. A source (even from a reliable place) can get info that doesn't pan out, or ultimately changes/falls through at some point.

Maybe you can respond to my concerns from this post. If there is further reason you are sure the Nolan info is true, but can't say why, just let me know.

I knew about the Nolan info before it was even posted by Finke. Jamie and myself have heard it. I don't run in the same circles with Finke, so do with it what you will. If you think Diane Nelson denying it to MTV means anything, you don't know how it works.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

So because Diane Nelson was wry with her answer something coming from Nikki Finke is now going to be called BS? You guys are lost in space.

Hope you aren't referring to me. If you look back from the START of this info I had my reservations before discussing it. It wasn't simply because of Diane.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I knew about the Nolan info before it was even posted by Finke. Jamie and myself have heard it. I don't run in the same circles with Finke, so do with it what you will. If you think Diane Nelson denying it to MTV means anything, you don't know how it works.

Seriously, did you not see any of my early early posts :confused: I'm not saying based on Diane alone that your guys info is incorrect. I'm talking about the subject based on my above quoted reasons Showtime.

[Showtime]

Hope you aren't referring to me. If you look back from the START of this info I had my reservations before discussing it. It wasn't simply because of Diane.

I was referring to KalElKilla, but why does it matter that you had reservations from the start? You wouldn't even be mentioning that was the case if Diane Nelson didn't say what she did to MTV...

[Showtime]

Seriously, did you not see any of my early early posts :confused: I'm not saying based on Diane alone that your guys info is incorrect. I'm talking about the subject based on my above quoted reasons Showtime.

It wasn't my info if you want to be accurate. Nikki Finke reported it, therefore it would be her info. Mike Flemming to if you will.

Your concerns seem to revolve around a defined role for Mr. Nolan.

If you note DC Entertainment's most recent press release, the roles over at their company are anything but defined, so I wouldn't let that be your hangup.

“We want to send a message that DC, going forward, is going to be a company that understands and is driven by talent,” said Jeff Robinov, the president of the Warner Brothers Pictures Group. “Although it’s not a traditional management structure, it’s a really interesting approach.”

It is more likely that things haven't been finalized with Nolan, ie his role. This information that Finke posted was leaked on purpose. In other words, WB/DC told her too. Whether or not Nolan is just a producer, or whatever else remains to be seen. It could be just to generate buzz, which is great marketing. There's something to it though. On some level.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I was referring to KalElKilla, but why does it matter that you had reservations from the start? You wouldn't even be mentioning that was the case if Diane Nelson didn't say what she did to MTV...



http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=334238&page=9

http://forums.superherohype.com/images/statusicon/post_old.gif 02-09-2010, 01:59 PMIF this story has legs (variety, hollywood reporter, latinoreview) and proves to be true...


http://forums.superherohype.com/images/statusicon/post_old.gif 02-09-2010, 02:01 PM How "official" is this info btw?


http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=334238&page=10
http://forums.superherohype.com/images/statusicon/post_old.gif 02-09-2010, 02:32 PM I've seen and even heard too many Superman rumors over the years that don't pan out.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=334238&page=11
http://forums.superherohype.com/images/statusicon/post_old.gif 02-09-2010, 02:40 PM He's just saying we have seen plenty of rumors that don't pan out (even by seemingly decent sources) and this feels like the same ole'

I don't think he's saying it was made up, just that it could turn out to be bs like the 130402402340 stories we've seen in like the last 2 years :(

I want some really confirmation to get truly excited on movie development.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

It wasn't my info if you want to be accurate. Nikki Finke reported it, therefore it would be her info. Mike Flemming to if you will.

Your concerns seem to revolve around a defined role for Mr. Nolan.

If you note DC Entertainment's most recent press release, the roles over at their company are anything but defined, so I wouldn't let that be your hangup.



It is more likely that things haven't been finalized with Nolan, ie his role. This information that Finke posted was leaked on purpose. In other words, WB/DC told her too. Whether or not Nolan is just a producer, or whatever else remains to be seen. It could be just to generate buzz, which is great marketing. There's something to it though. On some level.


Interesting. Thanks :up:

[Showtime]

What's your point though? I still don't understand. So you've been skeptical about this all along...and...

[\S/JcDc\S/]

What's your point though? I still don't understand. So you've been skeptical about this all along...and...

I thought at first you were referring to me, that my reservations were based on Diane. I just wanted you to understand what my reservations were actually based on (which you answered). I see that you do, so no worries friend.