WB Superman Reboot 3.0: Christopher Nolan Edition

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Who cares what record you have or don't have on SHH. You're looking for me to back you up for some forum street cred? I don't get it. We have talked in the past, but I still don't get what your point is.

You two are clogging up the thread with arguments about nothing. I'm not ignoring it, I told you both to shut up and stop. You're both still chirping. Take it to PM, if it goes on you can both have time off.

He didn't see your post apparently :confused:

[FilmNerdJamie]

The Abrams info was fake.

[redfirebird2008]

Goyer, at least to me, has proven himself to be a lousy director. I mean if he did one or two bad movies, I'd still give him the benefit of the doubt, but every movie of his I've seen has ranged from average to down right terrible.

You are being far too kind. Every one of his directorial efforts has sucked hard. That being said, if he's in on Superman then hopefully there are some serious Nolan strings attached.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

The Abrams info was fake.
I believe it happened and apparently didn't pan out, just like the Wachowski's situation previously. Which was also discussed by Showtime and I before it hit any internet sites. Just like the plot details for Singer's planned MOS which were later confirmed by IESB. Thanks for your input though.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Again with this "Go ask ______! He'll tell ya!" excuse. You have zero evidence to back any of this up. Yes, you're just making crap up. That's obvious, I realize. Thanks for your input though.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Again with this "Go ask ______! He'll tell ya!" excuse. You have zero evidence to back any of this up. Yes, you're just making crap up. That's obvious, I realize. Thanks for your input though.

Yet Showtime just confirmed that we did in fact talk info before. I guess you are full of crap.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's not worth it Jamie.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Again with this "Go ask ______! He'll tell ya!" excuse. You have zero evidence to back any of this up. Yes, you're just making crap up. That's obvious, I realize. Thanks for your input though.

It's not worth it Jamie.

Ok I asked between Raimi and Goyer, who would be a worse choice... and you think that is causing trouble :confused:

WOW

You are losing it.

[FilmNerdJamie]

You've yet to prove anything beyond that you've PMed people including me and Showtime. I never said you didn't talk to us privately? I still have mine saved. In fact, you're too dense to understand I talk to Showtime all the time. All you're doing to desperately trying to come off as being "in the know." A good laugh, indeed.

But again, this "legit info" is crap you're making up. Abrams was never involved with Superman since his ill-fated scripts. Period. Get over it.

[redfirebird2008]

Ok I asked between Raimi and Goyer, who would be a worse choice... and you think that is causing trouble :confused:

WOW

You are losing it.


http://i47.tinypic.com/1tkgzo.jpg



"FOOD FIGHT!" :woot:

[\S/JcDc\S/]

You've yet to prove anything beyond that you've PMed people including me and Showtime. I never said you didn't talk to us privately? I still have mine saved. In fact, you're too dense to understand I talk to Showtime all the time. All you're doing to desperately trying to come off as being "in the know." A good laugh, indeed.

But again, this "legit info" is crap you're making up. Abrams was never involved with Superman since his ill-fated scripts. Period. Get over it.

and... again... I already said the Abrams info was never confirmed. Never claimed it to be.

As for the other info such as the plot details for Singer's pitch. I discussed it with Showtime previous to all the websites that reported it. He did confirm the info btw afaik, and ultimately Singer did not get to make his sequel (as we obviously know).

That is also why I talked about the Nolan info, there have been times we have heard things that are true in the moment and don't pan out. I was simply stating I wish the Abrams news was true as I think he would be a good fit.

Still a problem with this? Then get yourself some therapy dude.

[FilmNerdJamie]

You're the one making fake-news up and claiming it as "legit info." Hence why you've brought it up multiple times.

Clearly, said therapy is needed for you. Keep this up and you'll no doubt be banned. Like you have here in the past.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Ok I asked between Raimi and Goyer, who would be a worse choice... and you think that is causing trouble :confused:

WOW

You are losing it.Alot of people would claim that I never really had it.

I don't know what your intentions were but "the road to hell was paved with good intentions."

[super-t]

so uh...yall like popcicles?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Grape all the way.

[Michael Corleone]

so uh...yall like popcicles?
This is fantastic

[\S/JcDc\S/]

You're the one making fake-news up and claiming it as "legit info." Hence why you've brought it up multiple times.

Clearly, said therapy is needed for you. Keep this up and you'll no doubt be banned. Like you have here in the past.

1. I already said it was not confirmed, and asked that it be checked into.
2. Interestingly you ignore the other info that WAS confirmed, by Showtime who stated the Singer pitch info turned out to be accurate.
3. You took it to this level again, not me. You aren't doing yourself any favors in the ban dept either.

[kalelkilla]

Wow you guys are going to go through with this nonsense again? We already have about 10 pages of you guys arguing on this forum. You two should exchange phone numbers and yell at each other.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I made attempts to be civil with him, but well... He's just to darned grumpy :o

[super-t]

grape? good choice...ima cherry man myself

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I've never really liked em super-t.

First:

I'm going to say that this Abrams thing has got to stop before somebody gets in trouble. No matter who's right or wrong.

Second:

I'm not trying to embarrass you JcDc but I would like it if you didn't clog up my pm box with things you could say on these boards.

Third:

I wasn't getting snippy with you for Jamie's benefit. I'm just tired of people careless posting of "this director vs that director posts". It doesn't matter if you meant to cause trouble or not because the outcome was going to be the same. A pointless arguement about a director who had no chance of directing the movie would be started.

[kalelkilla]

Just let it go...it doesn't matter really...it's not worth getting all pissy about.

[Dark Knight]

Well, I honestly do not want to see Goyer or J Nolan direct the next Supes film.

I have confidence in Chris Nolan, but I would not have confidence in Goyer or J Nolan directing a big time film like this.

Maybe Wally Pfister?

I wonder if James McTiegue or Frances Lawrence have a shot?

[FilmNerdJamie]

One of us knows absolutely what he's talking about. And the other is \S/JcDc\S/. We're done with this.

[super-t]

bro..bro..bro......its popcicles bro....who doesnt like popcicles? POPCICLES!!!!!

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I've never really liked em super-t.

First:

I'm going to say that this Abrams thing has got to stop before somebody gets in trouble. No matter who's right or wrong.

Second:

I'm not trying to embarrass you JcDc but I would like it if you didn't clog up my pm box with things you could say on these boards.

Third:

I wasn't getting snippy with you for Jamie's benefit. I'm just tired of people careless posting of "this director vs that director posts". It doesn't matter if you meant to cause trouble or not because the outcome was going to be the same. A pointless arguement about a director who had no chance of directing the movie would be started.

I sent you one pm to let you know I didn't post the Raimi vs Goyer thing to stir up trouble, after seeing you were upset. That counts as clogging up your pm box :confused:

<--baffled

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm glad you are done with it Jamie and I'm annoyed that I got in the middle of it.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

One of us knows absolutely what he's talking about. And the other is \S/JcDc\S/. We're done with this.

One of us thinks he knows everything on every subject, and has to slam others when they have something different to say...

FlimNerdJamie ... and that isn't a typo :o

[FilmNerdJamie]

I'm glad you are done with it Jamie and I'm annoyed that I got in the middle of it.

Meh. No problem. **** happens.

[Excel]

Yeah so um Showtime said more news tonight and he is MIA...

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Meh. No problem. **** happens.

and... then you were born.


:)

[redfirebird2008]

grape? good choice...ima cherry man myself


Which brand? Popsickles or Blue Bell Bullets? I like all flavors of both brands. :woot:

[super-t]

Yeah so um Showtime said more news tonight and he is MIA...

5 dollars its about.....yep u guessed it...POPCICLES!

[super-t]

Which brand? Popsickles or Blue Bell Bullets? I like all flavors of both brands. :woot:

Blue Bell Bullets? and i thought i was ghetto....we had the ones in the yellow box the jus said popcicles on it, since im from the hood lol.

[kalelkilla]

Yeah so um Showtime said more news tonight and he is MIA...

He was talking about the scoop on who was directing the Flash movie...no big deal...that was the news.

[redfirebird2008]

Blue Bell Bullets? and i thought i was ghetto....we had the ones in the yellow box the jus said popcicles on it, since im from the hood lol.

Popsickle brand ain't ghetto. It's good stuff. :woot:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I sent you one pm to let you know I didn't post the Raimi vs Goyer thing to stir up trouble, after seeing you were upset. That counts as clogging up your pm box :confused:

<--baffledYes because it was an utterly useless one. With the expection of the personal insult towards Jamie you could have easily wrote the same thing here.

I don't reveal that to embarrass you, I revealed it because it is the truth.

Man this whole thing is so f**king highschool!

[\S/JcDc\S/]

He was talking about the scoop on who was directing the Flash movie...no big deal...that was the news.

Pretty sure he hinted at more info coming later tonight on Nolan's involvement, and who may be directing.

[redfirebird2008]

Pretty sure he hinted at more info coming later tonight on Nolan's involvement, and who may be directing.

Yep. This hint came after the Flash news was already out.

[Excel]

He said hed know who the director was soon.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Yes because it was an utterly useless one. With the expection of the personal insult you could have easily wrote the same thing here.

Man this whole thing is so f**king highschool!

I didn't make a personal insult to you :confused: I said Jamie was being grumpy, unless you consider that an insult. :o

and yes it is quite highschool. Please don't try to imply I made a personal insult when I didn't btw. Thanks for making another post on this, it really contributed to the end of its discussion... oh wait

[super-t]

whoa whoa i missed the flash news...whos doin it?

[super-t]

PEOPLE PEOPLE!!!! jus relax and rub ur earlobes and whisper....popcicles....see it works.

[FilmNerdJamie]

and... then you were born.


:)

Aw, you think you're as clever as you are an insider. How pathetic, but nonetheless expected from you. As I said earlier, you've been banned here in the past and remarks like that (which have been reported) will get your butt thrown out even faster.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Greg Berlanti I think

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Aw, you think you're as clever as you are an insider. How pathetic, but nonetheless expected from you. As I said earlier, you've been banned here in the past and remarks like that (which have been reported) will get your butt thrown out even faster.

They also look at who instigated the situation. Good luck on that one. Btw you are comparing me who joined in 2003 vs you from 2008. Just about everyone gets in a situation (their fault or not) that requires a timeout. I'm surprised you haven't had one with your attitude yet. You can be rather abrasive ya know :o

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I didn't make a personal insult to you :confused: I said Jamie was being grumpy, unless you consider that an insult. :o

and yes it is quite highschool. Please don't try to imply I made a personal insult when I didn't btw. Thanks for making another post on this, it really contributed to the end of its discussion... oh waitSo you could have called Jamie a "grumpy bastard" and not gotten into trouble?

[rocco2216]

Anyway, back on topic lol. I wonder if this new news on Chris Nolan that's coming pertaining to Superman or Batman 3.

[super-t]

hmmm dont know who that is...ill have to look em up

[FilmNerdJamie]

So you could have called Jamie a "grumpy bastard" and not gotten into trouble?

Just put him on Ignore and let him continue to dig his grave. Takes a lot to get banned around here. He's been thrown out a few times as a matter of fact.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Just put him on Ignore and let him continue to dig his grave. Takes a lot to get banned around here. He's been thrown out a few times as a matter of fact.

Tell me how my post stirred up trouble here for ISEESPIDEY? Someone, anyone tell me how that was "starting trouble"
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=334238&page=70

As for Jamie:
Showtime said for us to drop the Abrams argument. Which I did... Then you came in (3rd post down) and had to start crap with me again.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=334238&page=71

This.

Still waiting to hear what happened with Abrams. Oh, that's right. Nothing happened since he was never involved. Ever.

Stop instigating.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Just put him on Ignore and let him continue to dig his grave. Takes a lot to get banned around here. He's been thrown out a few times as a matter of fact.I can see why he has.

Anyway I will promptly halt this time wasting arguement and get back to talking about less annoying things.

[Excel]

JcDc...chill man, just chill. Use the ignore button bro, its just a forum.

Jamie do you have any idea when this news will be out?

Why do I get the sense this is only hitting us at once because LR broke the news about the writing trio? Why are W.B. so eager to hide their stuff from us?

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I can see why he has.

Anyway I will promptly halt this time wasting arguement and get back to talking about less annoying things.


Worse for Superman...

Raimi or Goyer?

Oh the horror of that comment :rolleyes:

[rocco2216]

Oh the horror of that comment :rolleyes:

Dude, I don't think that's the comment they're getting on to you about. It's the whole J.J.Abrams speal.

[kalelkilla]

Jamie, just let it go...if he just spouts BS all the time then your justifying him by going back and forth...JcDc I don't want to see you get banned again, it doesn't who was right about this and that...who cares? really just stop the nonsense.

I think McTeigue would be a good choice to work with the Batman Team...Ninja Assassin looked pretty terrible but V for Vendetta was sick!

[Dark Knight]

I'm surprised you haven't had one with your attitude yet. You can be rather abrasive ya know :o




Hmm...I have wondered that in the past myself.

You should know the answer to that question.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

JcDc...chill man, just chill. Use the ignore button bro, its just a forum.

Showtime said to drop it and I did. I dunno why Jamie felt like going at it again :rolleyes: You're right, I'm done. Good night to all.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Hmm...I have wondered that in the past myself.

You should know the answer to that question.

I'd hate to think that. Oh well, like I said, chilling out. Have a good night all.

[super-t]

i thought the matrix bros did V for vendetta?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Jamie, just let it go...if he just spouts BS all the time then your justifying him by going back and forth...JcDc I don't want to see you get banned again, it doesn't who was right about this and that...who cares? really just stop the nonsense.

He's on my Ignore list. Doesn't matter to me, but he really wants to be banned again it seems. Meh.

[craigdbfan]

Tell me how my post stirred up trouble here for ISEESPIDEY? Someone, anyone tell me how that was "starting trouble"
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=334238&page=70

As for Jamie:
Showtime said for us to drop it. Which I did... Then you came in and had to start crap with me again.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=334238&page=71



Stop instigating.

Not true.

On page 71 you started this entire thing by quoting Showtime post from 8 pages ago.

That rekindled the fire that was put out. So if anyone is instigating to start this all over again its you.

Showtime said to drop it and I did. I dunno why Jamie felt like going at it again :rolleyes: You're right, I'm done. Good night to all.

He wasn't the one to quote Showtime from 8 pages ago to start up an argument that was seemingly put to rest.

[redfirebird2008]

i thought the matrix bros did V for vendetta?

They wrote the script but McTeigue directed it.

[kalelkilla]

i thought the matrix bros did V for vendetta?

no they produced V for Vendetta...they pretty much work together on things it seems. The McTeigue/Watchowski team would be the only other team I would want in charge of Superman other than Goyer and the Nolans. The action would be INSANE.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You win craigdbfan.

Frankly I'm tired of the whole thing and wished that a certain person wouldn't have responded again.

[Excel]

The fights and money shots fo W bros superman film would be :eek: :eek:

[kalelkilla]

I know, they would be sick, I still think the Matrix trilogy are the best three Superman films...lol. I just pretend Neo is Superman and I smile.

[craigdbfan]

The fights and money shots fo W bros superman film would be :eek: :eek:

It'd be quite the sight thats for sure.

[Webhead2006]

i was always curious when the bros W and james McT names were brought up.

[super-t]

i dont think i could sit through the movie jus bc of sheer amout of supermaness it would have...id have to get up and go get a popcicle to relax and come back to earth

[super-t]

ok that sounded so gay....no homo

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Are you drunk?

[super-t]

not at all i dont drink

[Dark Knight]

Has JCDC and Jamie stopped their pissing contest yet?

Hope so....come on fellas....

[Jake Cassidy]

not at all i dont drink

Maybe you should start. :woot:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Has JCDC and Jamie stopped their pissing contest yet?

Hope so....come on fellas....They stopped arguing quite awhile ago and somehow I got dragged or dragged myself into it. I'm pretty sure I was mostly dragged though..

Moving on...

[Jake Cassidy]

It looks like I missed all the fun.

[Octoberist]

fight fight fight

[Eggyman]

Measuring penises on a message board such as this is always going to end in tears... and/or pregnancy.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Measuring penises on a message board such as this is always going to end in tears... and/or pregnancy.Another classic Eggyman post.

Well done sir.

I know from talking to him, Jamie just can't stand bulls**t and it gets him in trouble. I'm the same way actually...I'm not as blunt as he is though.

[Alonsovich]

No bloood? Awwwwwwwwww....:o

[Showtime]

ok that sounded so gay....no homo

No need to talk like that.

Has JCDC and Jamie stopped their pissing contest yet?

Hope so....come on fellas....

They stopped arguing quite awhile ago and somehow I got dragged or dragged myself into it. I'm pretty sure I was mostly dragged though..

Moving on...

Jamie and JCDC stopped their arguing, if I was here last night they would have both been gone. I am going to address this and put an end to it.

1) Both of you put each other on ignore, I see you interacting at all, you can have some time off.

2) I already told you to stop, you keep going. Both of you. Do you want to be relegated to a lesser forum because you can't post here? Try me. You already disregarded what I said, and kept arguing. I would have probably given you both a couple days off at most. Now if you do it again you're going to get weeks or a month.

3) JCDC, we've talked in the past about the W Bros and other things with WB, that was like 2 or 3 years ago. For some reason you have decided to come back and you want me to help you establish yourself as a forum insider. Do it yourself.

All the information I know and me now writing on IESB was work I did myself. Calls and emails to studios, agents, actors, directors, producers and so on. I didn't keep arguing or pushing at somebody expecting a hand out. I did it myself.

What you do or how you do it, I have no idea. You came to both Jamie and myself with info on Abrams. It was looked into it, not one person said it was true on any level. The fact is he is working with Paramount, he can't work with another studio. Not going to happen.

How can I back you up when I have no idea where your info comes from, neither does anybody on the boards? They know that Jamie and myself opened our own website, ThinkMcflyThink.com. We made contact with even more people, scoring interviews, writing articles, and networked with webmasters on other sites. This established us and Rob over at IESB noticed this and hired us to write over there. We earned it.

I have nothing against you JCDC, you seem like a good dude, we have talked shop some years back...but I talk to Jamie in the morning and at night. We talk to celebs, webmasters, directors, producers, agents every day. I can back him up because I know where his info is coming from, I can say that you talked about the W Bros and I heard some of the same things, but this is all going to far.

That being said, Jamie, you don't need to continue the arguing. Just because I know you doesn't mean you get a free pass. I would ban you in a second because that is my "job" here. You don't get to say or do whatever you want. Not happening. I would drop it here. If you two keep going its not going to end well here for either of you. Not getting another warning. Both. Gone. Try me.

You guys want to have dick measuring contests, well I win hands down.

[Eggyman]

Having your hands down is cheating, Showtime. Play fair.

[redfirebird2008]

No need to talk like that.





Jamie and JCDC stopped their arguing, if I was here last night they would have both been gone. I am going to address this and put an end to it.

1) Both of you put each other on ignore, I see you interacting at all, you can have some time off.

2) I already told you to stop, you keep going. Both of you. Do you want to be relegated to a lesser forum because you can't post here? Try me. You already disregarded what I said, and kept arguing. I would have probably given you both a couple days off at most. Now if you do it again you're going to get weeks or a month.

3) JCDC, we've talked in the past about the W Bros and other things with WB, that was like 2 or 3 years ago. For some reason you have decided to come back and you want me to help you establish yourself as a forum insider. Do it yourself.

All the information I know and me now writing on IESB was work I did myself. Calls and emails to studios, agents, actors, directors, producers and so on. I didn't keep arguing or pushing at somebody expecting a hand out. I did it myself.

What you do or how you do it, I have no idea. You came to both Jamie and myself with info on Abrams. It was looked into it, not one person said it was true on any level. The fact is he is working with Paramount, he can't work with another studio. Not going to happen.

How can I back you up when I have no idea where your info comes from, neither does anybody on the boards? They know that Jamie and myself opened our own website, ThinkMcflyThink.com. We made contact with even more people, scoring interviews, writing articles, and networked with webmasters on other sites. This established us and Rob over at IESB noticed this and hired us to write over there. We earned it.

I have nothing against you JCDC, you seem like a good dude, we have talked shop some years back...but I talk to Jamie in the morning and at night. We talk to celebs, webmasters, directors, producers, agents every day. I can back him up because I know where his info is coming from, I can say that you talked about the W Bros and I heard some of the same things, but this is all going to far.

That being said, Jamie, you don't need to continue the arguing. Just because I know you doesn't mean you get a free pass. I would ban you in a second because that is my "job" here. You don't get to say or do whatever you want. Not happening. I would drop it here. If you two keep going its not going to end well here for either of you. Not getting another warning. Both. Gone. Try me.

You guys want to have dick measuring contests, well I win hands down.


So uh...any word on the upcoming Supes director news you told us about yesterday? :oldrazz:

[SuperMike335!!]

I know, they would be sick, I still think the Matrix trilogy are the best three Superman films...lol. I just pretend Neo is Superman and I smile.


Then you're going to love this season of Smallville.

Chloe: "Clark, there is an important question I have to ask you"

Clark: "what is it Chloe?"

Chloe: "how much Do clothes cost inside the matrix?" :woot:

[kalelkilla]

Ha I actually am enjoying this season! haha. Despite some ridiculous episodes, I think the costume is cool, it makes the most sense to wear something dark as a superhero that doesnt want to be noticed. Better than the red-blue blur! haha. The MAtrix films are still the best incarnation of Superman...how sad.

[Kurosawa]

Ha I actually am enjoying this season! haha. Despite some ridiculous episodes, I think the costume is cool, it makes the most sense to wear something dark as a superhero that doesnt want to be noticed. Better than the red-blue blur! haha. The MAtrix films are still the best incarnation of Superman...how sad.

But Superman should want to be seen.

[SrsBsns]

So, who do you all think would be a better director for Superman?

Raimi or Goyer?

[MAN O STEEL]

So, who do you all think would be a better director for Superman?

Raimi or Goyer?


Haven't we already had this discussion?. :whatever:




Steve

[super-t]

ahh my bad showey

[dark_b]

i can not belive that some here think that WB is going to give Jonah their multi f..... billlion f.... superman franchise. to a guy who never filmed a movie? you think because hes brother made TDK that because of that Jonah can do Superman?

dont you dare WB ..............

[SrsBsns]

i can not belive that some here think that WB is going to give Jonah their multi f..... billlion f.... superman franchise. to a guy who never filmed a movie? you think because hes brother made TDK that because of that Jonah can do Superman?

dont you dare WB ..............

Uhhhhhhhh....wut

[FilmNerdJamie]

IESB Exclusive: Big Plans For Superman, Batman & Co. (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8514:iesb-exclusive-big-plans-for-superman-batman-a-co&catid=43:exclusive-features&Itemid=73)

[Maze]

IESB Exclusive: Big Plans For Superman, Batman & Co.

sooo the director could be..............















Yes, Jonah Nolan

http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8514:iesb-exclusive-big-plans-for-superman-batman-a-co&catid=43:exclusive-features&Itemid=73

[BH/HHH]

image if Jonah got the directing gig. image!

I was thinking that myself.

and more news tonight really? Showtime when we talking hours?

[Maze]

IESB Exclusive: Big Plans For Superman, Batman & Co. (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8514:iesb-exclusive-big-plans-for-superman-batman-a-co&catid=43:exclusive-features&Itemid=73)

You beat me to it.

Christopher Nolan could direct justice league??? :wow:

[Octoberist]

what a weird change of heart by nolan.

[Cousin Itt]

what a weird change of heart by nolan.

To quote Krusty The Clown.

"They drove a dump truck filled with money up to my house! I'm not made of stone!"

[rocco2216]

It makes sense with the whole Metropolis and Lex Luthor possibly being mentioned by Commisioner Gordon in Batman 3 rumor.

[protocida]

Christopher Nolan directing Justice League? :wow:

Either Goyer, Johns, Morrison and Wolfman created an extraordinary plan for the movie DCU or Warner made Nolan one big check.

Either way, it'd be AWESOME!

[Octoberist]

jaimie mentioned in the article The Flash and Green Lantern, but what about Wonder Woman?

[BH/HHH]

I'm not sure about him doing a JL movie. This wasnt really news was it?

[redfirebird2008]

what a weird change of heart by nolan.

Money talks. If he does a great job with these properties, he will literally be set for the rest of his life at WB to do whatever he wants. While Batman 3 allowed him the huge budget for Inception, big success for Superman and Justice League would allow him carte blanche the rest of his career. Even though I keep hoping Nolan will just stop screwing around with superheroes and simply work on his true passion projects like Inception all the time instead of some of the time, perhaps this will be a great situation for him when it's all said and done.

[BH/HHH]

I'm not sure about him doing a JL movie. This wasnt really news was it?

[Showtime]

i can not belive that some here think that WB is going to give Jonah their multi f..... billlion f.... superman franchise. to a guy who never filmed a movie? you think because hes brother made TDK that because of that Jonah can do Superman?

dont you dare WB ..............

Looks like your face is red.

[Octoberist]

i think the news is so big that, after the 'Goyer' news and 'Flash' news, I think the other websites are hesitating on publishing it. i think it's too much. haha.

[Octoberist]

but Jonah is no dummy so i think he'll be up to do it and do a good job.

[Showtime]

I'm not sure about him doing a JL movie. This wasnt really news was it?

How is it not news?

[BH/HHH]

It is too much, if Nolan has had a change of heart no ones gonna believe it unless something official comes from either WB's or Nolan himself.

[batman44]

If Nolan is really planning A JL movie, then wow. This would also fly in the face of Nolan's Batman not being able to fit with the DC universe.

Jonah Nolan possibly directing Superman is intriguing but also makes me slightley nervous as he never directed any film before (to my knowlege anyway).

[Kurosawa]

IESB Exclusive: Big Plans For Superman, Batman & Co. (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8514:iesb-exclusive-big-plans-for-superman-batman-a-co&catid=43:exclusive-features&Itemid=73)

Woah.

Well, until Nolan lets me down, and he hasn't yet, I've got to trust his judgement, and I'm sure Jonah will have plenty of help.

[Octoberist]

i dont know. i believe that Nolan's Batman can always fit in with Justice League. just takes a leap of faith. kinda like how the same batman was in the animated series and Justice League despite two different tones from each show.

[Octoberist]

i am concern however, that it could be the end of the Nolan we know only because he's so caught with the DC movies.

kinda like how I felt that the superhero movies by Singer kinda sidestepped his career especially when his other 'non comic ' movies.

[Showtime]

It is too much, if Nolan has had a change of heart no ones gonna believe it unless something official comes from either WB's or Nolan himself.

I don't think that is the case, you might not believe it. Which is fine. Right now this part of it is very rumorish.

[redfirebird2008]

If Nolan is really planning A JL movie, then wow. This would also fly in the face of Nolan's Batman not being able to fit with the DC universe.

Jonah Nolan possibly directing Superman is intriguing but also makes me slightley nervous as he never directed any film before (to my knowlege anyway).

I can understand why you are nervous, but think about this for a second. Chris Nolan is not going to hang his little brother out to dry on his first directorial project. This is the type of thing that could either make or break Jonah's career as a director. He's already proven his chops as a writer, but if he directs Superman and it fails...well that'll punch a hole in his credibility since he's never directed anything else. Chris would essentially be ghost-directing this movie IMHO. It may still fail, but Chris will not throw his little brother into the deep end of the pool without floaties. :cwink:

[Mr. Earle]

If Nolan is really planning A JL movie, then wow. This would also fly in the face of Nolan's Batman not being able to fit with the DC universe.

Jonah Nolan possibly directing Superman is intriguing but also makes me slightley nervous as he never directed any film before (to my knowlege anyway).http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6462/chrisnolan.jpg
"When hell freezes over!"

[BH/HHH]

How is it not news?

the way I read the article it seems like its all rumour.

If it is theres gonna be ALOT of disapointed people and not just Superman fans.

[protocida]

Nolan is able to direct a Justice League movie, as Batman Begins, The Prestige and (looks like) Inception can prove. If he really had a change of heart about Batman being the only super-hero of his universe, then YAY!

[BH/HHH]

I don't think that is the case, you might not believe it. Which is fine. Right now this part of it is very rumorish.

I weant to believe it but with WB's destroying my hopes so many times it has left me skeptical.

[dark_b]

Looks like your face is red.this would be to much for me.


i can accept Nolan as a producer. i can accept fans screaming and jumping around like Jonah is the best writter in hollywood.but him directing?noooooo. a big nooooooooooooooo.

the director needs at least experience with 2 movies. he needs experiene with working with actors. with good and bad actors. thats not easie. he needs experience with composing shots.

and dont tell me now that Nolan will look over hes shoulder. ok i was not born yesterday.


:dry::up:

[rocco2216]

this would be to much for me.


i can accept Nolan as a producer. i can accept fans screaming and jumping around like Jonah is the best writter in hollywood.but him directing?noooooo. a big nooooooooooooooo.

the director needs at least experience with 2 movies. he needs experiene with working with actors. with good and bad actors. thats not easie. he needs experience with composing shots.

and dont tell me now that Nolan will look over hes shoulder. ok i was not born yesterday.


:dry::up:

Everyone has to start somewhere. You just don't want it to be Superman. :word:

[redfirebird2008]

Everyone has to start somewhere. You just don't want it to be Batman 3. :word:

You mean Superman. :cwink:

[protocida]

^ Imagine if the same things were said to Steven Spielberg, Peter Jackson or Martin Scorcese when they were starting? I have faith that Jonathan might do a great job if chosen.

[rocco2216]

You mean Superman. :cwink:

Oh, right, LOL. See Nolan being involved in every DC film is confusing me ha ha :word::woot:

[rocco2216]

^ Imagine if the same things were said to Steven Spielberg, Peter Jackson or Martin Scorcese when they were starting? I have faith that Jonathan might do a great job if chosen.

Exactly, people were worried I'm sure when they were going to direct their first movie or first action/mainstream film. How are they going to get that experience if they're not given the chance?

[dark_b]

^ Imagine if the same things were said to Steven Spielberg, Peter Jackson or Martin Scorcese when they were starting? I have faith that Jonathan might do a great job if chosen.what the f..... are you writting? SPilbergs first movie was a 200 expensive franchise?Peter Jackson's first movie was LOTR?

are you making fun of me or what?

[redfirebird2008]

Oh, right, LOL. See Nolan being involved in every DC film is confusing me ha ha :word::woot:

If anything, I would be more confident in Jonah with the Bat franchise than Superman. For an inexperienced director, you would want actors who already know their roles. Bale, Caine, Oldman, and Freeman could all sleepwalk through their roles at this point. They don't need a great director to pull off good performances for those characters. Superman, on the other hand, is going to have a bunch of actors playing roles they've never played before so you would want a more experienced director. I still think Chris Nolan will ghost-direct if Jonah is given the director job.

[dark_b]

Exactly, people were worried I'm sure when they were going to direct their first movie or first action/mainstream film. How are they going to get that experience if they're not given the chance?did i writte that Jonah shouldnt direct movies or what?


experience? he should get experience with a small movie.he needs to learn how to edit,how to direct actors,how to compose shots.

a director with experience already has a lot of work to learn how to manage a big movie. here Jonah would need to learn the basics. and at the same time make a 200 million movie?

pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :whatever:

[protocida]

First of all, calm the **** down. I have better things to do than to make fun of someone I don't know at an Internet message board.

Second, no, I'm not kidding. Everyone has to start somewhere. Want a more in-universe example? Neil Blomkamp. He went from shorts directly into District 9 and now is one of the most well-spoken directors of the new bach. What if Jonah Nolan is the next? And don't tell me he has to "learn" how to direct first. This is a talent people are born with and only refine it with time. Christopher Nolan, by example, has it. Uwe Boll, on the other hand, doesn't. Not that that's stopping him, tough...

[rocco2216]

If anything, I would be more confident in Jonah with the Bat franchise than Superman. For an inexperienced director, you would want actors who already know their roles. Bale, Caine, Oldman, and Freeman could all sleepwalk through their roles at this point. They don't need a great director to pull off good performances for those characters. Superman, on the other hand, is going to have a bunch of actors playing roles they've never played before so you would want a more experienced director. I still think Chris Nolan will ghost-direct if Jonah is given the director job.

That could work too I think. Jonathan Nolan directing Batman 3 while Chris is directing The Man of Steel and then direct Justice League afterwards and maybe a sequel (if The Man of Steel does well enough) to The Man of Steel after Justice League. But I think I'm getting ahead of myself there lol.

[rocco2216]

did i writte that Jonah shouldnt direct movies or what?


experience? he should get experience with a small movie.he needs to learn how to edit,how to direct actors,how to compose shots.

a director with experience already has a lot of work to learn how to manage a big movie. here Jonah would need to learn the basics. and at the same time make a 200 million movie?

pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :whatever:

Why? Cause you're scared he can't handle a big movie as his first gig? oh well :word:

[dark_b]

First of all, calm down. I have better things to do than to make fun of someone I don't know at an Internet messabe board.

Second, no, I'm not kidding. Everyone has to start somewhere. Want a more in-universe example? Neil Blomkamp. He went from shorts directly into District 9 and now is one of the most well-spoken directors of the new back. What if Jonah Nolan is the next?

then why are you writting SPielberg and Jackson when you 100% know that it would be different.

Bloomkamp had experience with CGI and working with footage for years. go read hes BIO. its not like he jst jumped out of a car and directed D9. its different.

[rocco2216]

First of all, calm the **** down. I have better things to do than to make fun of someone I don't know at an Internet message board.

Second, no, I'm not kidding. Everyone has to start somewhere. Want a more in-universe example? Neil Blomkamp. He went from shorts directly into District 9 and now is one of the most well-spoken directors of the new bach. What if Jonah Nolan is the next? And don't tell me he has to "learn" how to direct first. This is a talent people are born with and only refine it with time. Christopher Nolan, by example, has it. Uwe Boll, on the other hand, doesn't. Not that that's stopping him, tough...

Exactly, sure there's always room for improvement for directors and even actors too, but the skill/talent is already there or it isn't.

[dark_b]

Why? Cause you're scared he can't handle a big movie as his first gig? oh well :word:noone can handle a 200 million movie for their first movie. fact. you just cant.


plus how unfair to 100 of talented small directors who have experience with making movies and working with actors. but of course Jonah would get it because WB is sucking up to Nolan right?

hiring Burton the director of Batman for Superman was crazy in the 90's.
but to try to hire C.Nolan to direct and when he says NO to try to get hes brother with no experience is going to another crazy level. :o

[redfirebird2008]

Exactly, sure there's always room for improvement for directors and even actors too, but the skill/talent is already there or it isn't.

I think the main improvement comes in more technical areas. For instance, Nolan himself is improving as an action director (some of the stuff I've heard about Inception sounds incredible). But storytelling itself requires a lot of gut feelings. Like you said, either a director has that talent or he/she doesn't.

[antsman41]

jonah has sat behind or ghost directed behind chris atleast on tdk and probably the prestige and now Inception, we have behind-the-scenes photos to prove this for tdk. he will be totally capable to direct with the help of his magnificent brother, christopher...

[zerohour films]

Great news, I am so glad there is finally movement with DC (or at least that it's finally going public).

I imagine that since all of these writers, directors, producers are working/have worked on multiple DC hero films that we are going to get a shared universe....hopefully....hint hint....please WB/DC.

Ha.



And I say to you sir.....Ah Ha!!

[rocco2216]

noone can handle a 200 million movie for their first movie. fact. you just cant.


plus how unfair to 100 of talented small directors who have experience with making movies and working with actors. but of course Jonah would get it because WB is sucking up to Nolan right?

hiring Burton the director of Batman for Superman was crazy in the 90's.
but to try to hire C.Nolan to direct and when he says NO to try to get hes brother with no experience is going to another crazy level. :o

Um, no it's not fact lol.

[dark_b]

jonah has sat behind or ghost directed behind chris atleast on tdk and probably the prestige and now Inception, we have behind-the-scenes photos to prove this for tdk. he will be totally capable to direct with the help of his magnificent brother, christopher...
ahhhh so now Jonah was always on the set because he directed the movie with Chris? nothing to do with the fact that he was one of the writters?


so this is how its going to be? batman fanatics in the superman section?

i am out for today.

[rocco2216]

jonah has sat behind or ghost directed behind chris atleast on tdk and probably the prestige and now Inception, we have behind-the-scenes photos to prove this for tdk. he will be totally capable to direct with the help of his magnificent brother, christopher...

Exactly

[rocco2216]

ahhhh so now Jonah was always on the set because he directed the movie with Chris? nothing to do with the fact that he was one of the writters?


so this is how its going to be? batman fanatics in the superman section?

i am out for today.

I guess you're right then, it's going to suck, we're all doomed I tell you dooooooooomed. There's no escaping it, noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. (jumps off cliff)

[redfirebird2008]

jonah has sat behind or ghost directed behind chris atleast on tdk and probably the prestige and now Inception, we have behind-the-scenes photos to prove this for tdk. he will be totally capable to direct with the help of his magnificent brother, christopher...

Jonah hasn't ghost-directed anything. He has been on the sets and sees how his brother works, but he hasn't been the one guiding Chris' direction. Chris is a hands-on director to the point that he refuses to use a second unit director, which is very unusual for big budget blockbuster movies.

[GL's Light]

Jonah Nolan directing The Man of Steel and Chris Nolan working towards directing Justice League is humongous news if confirmed. I sure wish WB and DCE would start making some official announcements.

[Rezzo]

News is just flying out left and right with WB now.

[BH/HHH]

Theres too much information for it all to be false. WB's should get on this, people would feel alot better about them if they announced this news themselves.

[redfirebird2008]

News is just flying out left and right with WB now.

Titanic-esque leaks. :hehe:

[FilmNerdJamie]

I was going to take another **** on Mark Millar's lying mouth in my Wanted 2 article. But I opted out - Showtime can vouch for me.

Latino Review (http://www.latinoreview.com/news/exclusive-hitchcock-s-suspicion-being-remade-9308) on the other hand...

PS- Taco got mucho abuse about the Superman story and then it turned out to be all true. The one true Taco never misleads you. Which is why I must call Mark Millar on his mierda del toro. Mark you were never interviewed to write Superman by DC or Warners even though you repeatedly claimed that. You were never considered by Bryan Singer or Thomas Tull to be involved. They never even spoke to Matthew Vaughan about you being involved. You basically make **** up and hope it becomes true. I have been following that since your days of lying about writing Deadpool with David Goyer. I see that the sequel to your silly psychic loom film has fallen apart today. And your attempts to shock people with potty mouthed children? Buena suerte, amigo. You'll need it. But don't tell people that the Taco is incorrect. You only look silly when you are exposed. Andale!

[kalelkilla]

I would be REALLY nervous if Jonah was to direct this movie alone. But the fact that he has big brother and david goyer with him, who both have TONS of experience, I am not that worried about it. It's still scary to think that the WB would give the Superman reigns to someone that never directed a movie before...that is just nuts when you think about it...I think Chris Nolan is going to have a heavy hand in the Superman franchise, that is the only way the WB execs would sign Jonah to direct...IMHO. Show was right. He said they were preparing us for the fact that they were going to hire an inexperienced director with all the Chris Nolan, David Goyer leaks from the WB. Bravo!

[Octoberist]

You know...the thing about Mark Millar is that he's a talented guy who wants to be celebrity really badly. i just this vibe from him.

Think of Eli Roth, and you'll get the picture.

[ultimatefan]

So... On therecent rumor about Jonah Nolan directing TMOS...

He´s iundoubtedly a talented writer, but an unknown quantity as a director, and those blockbuster movies are possibly the hardest task a director has today. Do we want someone who never even directed a small budget indie film to helm a megabudget, epic, Superman film with action, drama, romance, comedy, etc.? Of course Nolan will offer him a lot of help, but I´d feel better with someone who has at least one or two movies already under his belt.

[Webhead2006]

I am curious to see how jonah would be as a director, since he hasnt directed before right? I as i said in the director's thread wish him the best of luck if the news pans out and becomes official from the studio. As for nolan for jl that would be an interesting move there. I wonder how will green lantern fit into things, and will we get a ww film prior to jl or not. Also i do hope superman, flash actually make it into production stages and happen. I really want to see DC finally get on page with things and fully commit to these superhero characters on film.

[Crook]

Alright, there comes a time when you have to pump the brakes in spite of excitement, and this is one of those times. :funny:

As much talent as Jonah has as a writer, I don't see how that translates to him being a capable director. He could very well have the chops, but just the fact that it literally is his first time behind the lens...it's troubling for me.

I have the same feelings for Nolan with Justice League. This is by far the weirdest news I've heard yet. It's really not something I would have imagined him considering. Just going by his directorial style, I don't even think he's creatively fit for this type of universe.

I was much more content knowing Jonah was writing with Chris as the overseer. Now the pot is getting overflowed, I think. Can't say I'm jumping out of my chair with this news.

[BH/HHH]

Everyone has to start somewhere, Donner did the original after doing the Omen and no one would guess the leap from a small horror movie to a big budget FX movie. Maybe this movie needs to take a risk.

[jmc]

I agree with Crook, I this latest news has too many holes in it. I really struggle to believe that Nolan for the best part of 5 years would hammer into us that his Batman lives in a world without superhero only then to suddenly do a 180.

[rocco2216]

No one knows what a director, actor, etc is capable of doing. Some have limits, some don't. Some have talent, some don't. So we'll see I guess. Here's hoping it turns out awesome. I'm pretty confident it will. :)

[GL's Light]

With a first-time director things could go pear-shaped or you might end up with a great film and a talented new director on the scene. There's really no way to tell. But I'd rather that than have them hire a more experienced director with a track record of being a hack who would almost certainly deliver a middling film at best. Of course an experienced director with a great track record is the best option, but they're not always lined up around the block to reboot a franchise.

If Jonah Nolan is indeed the director he'll obviously have a ton of support in getting the film made. I'll keep an open mind about his abilities behind the camera and hope he rises to the occasion.

[Webhead2006]

I too hope with all this news coming out what ever may be true, for WB to just say something official already.

[antsman41]

Jonah hasn't ghost-directed anything. He has been on the sets and sees how his brother works, but he hasn't been the one guiding Chris' direction. Chris is a hands-on director to the point that he refuses to use a second unit director, which is very unusual for big budget blockbuster movies.

yeah, I didn't mean that persay... .more of the fact that jonah has "interned" with his bro over chris last three films...

[Crook]

I have no issue with first-time directors. But there's an unnecessary risk with a first-time director for a potential multi-billion dollar franchise. THAT is unheard of.

There's already hurdles in handling a huge property your first time out, but the guy hasn't even faced the hurdle of a film, period. There are responsibilities and lessons as a director that just cannot be sustained with talent. It's through experience. I'm not confident at all anyone should be in that position. Especially not for a damn Superman movie.

[Rezzo]

I too hope with all this news coming out what ever may be true, for WB to just say something official already.

I would imagine there to be official announcements around the time of Comic-Con.

[ultimatefan]

Everyone has to start somewhere, Donner did the original after doing the Omen and no one would guess the leap from a small horror movie to a big budget FX movie. Maybe this movie needs to take a risk.

Indeed, but he had directed a movie and was critically and commercially successful at that.

I´m not saying an unexperienced director can´t deliver a great big budget movie, but I´d feel a little more confident with someone with a little bit more experience.

[jmc]

I have no issue with first-time directors. But there's an unnecessary risk with a first-time director for a potential multi-billion dollar franchise. THAT is unheard of.

There's already hurdles in handling a huge property your first time out, but the guy hasn't even faced the hurdle of a film, period. There are responsibilities and lessons as a director that just cannot be sustained with talent. It's through experience. I'm not confident at all anyone should be in that position. Especially not for a damn Superman movie.

Which makes me think this rumour is BS. I can't imagine WB giving a multi-million dollar film to someone with no directing experience, Nolan family member or not.

[FilmNerdJamie]

As I said "unconfirmed" is the key word here. I acknowledge how "out there" this is. Then again, Nolan producing Superman and directing Batman 3 is "out there" too. That's the point. Everything they've done so far has been nuts (in a good way). We'll see.

[TheComicbookKid]

If IESB is wrong, at least they'll admit it. Unlike certain other sites.

[epc11223]

you guys have to realize that with a first time director, wb can control more of whats going on with the movie. bryan singer had more clout when he was making superman returns and the wb probably want to be really careful this time. by having christopher nolan as executive producer, i have a feeling he's going to be much more hands on with superman than people realize. that is if all this is true. i love the news, but much like everyone else; i am a bit skeptical. well skeptical with alot of optimism because i am so glad that we are finally getting some news. they should just have it as "co directors" and have christopher nolan and jeff nolan. jeff does day to day and chris does big picture lol.

[GL's Light]

For years the Coen Bros were billed as producer (Ethan) and director (Joel) respectively, even though they were actually co-directors (they eventually started taking a co-director credit). Maybe that's the plan for The Man of Steel - that Chris will be billed as producer and Jonah as director, but Chris will be hands-on to the extent of being, essentially, a co-director.

[BH/HHH]

Indeed, but he had directed a movie and was critically and commercially successful at that.

I´m not saying an unexperienced director can´t deliver a great big budget movie, but I´d feel a little more confident with someone with a little bit more experience.

I see your point but its quite possible if J Nolan is directing he could end up making the best Superman movie ever.

[jmc]

If Chris is going to be 'actively involved' he may as well direct the thing himself. Just can't see this news panning out to be true.

[Dark Knight]

Alright, there comes a time when you have to pump the brakes in spite of excitement, and this is one of those times. :funny:

As much talent as Jonah has as a writer, I don't see how that translates to him being a capable director. He could very well have the chops, but just the fact that it literally is his first time behind the lens...it's troubling for me.

I have the same feelings for Nolan with Justice League. This is by far the weirdest news I've heard yet. It's really not something I would have imagined him considering. Just going by his directorial style, I don't even think he's creatively fit for this type of universe.

I was much more content knowing Jonah was writing with Chris as the overseer. Now the pot is getting overflowed, I think. Can't say I'm jumping out of my chair with this news.







I have faith in the Nolans to produce and create a good product.

However, hearing Jonah may make his directorial film debut with an important film like the Man of Steel is ballsy to say the least.

I would rather we see a director with some films under his belt first ahead of Jonah directing the Supes film.

However, Chris Nolan will basically be the hands on Exec Producer/ghost director to mentor his bro on this one which makes me feel a bit more comfortable.....but I would still rather a director with some films under his belt who has some experience.

I do think Chris Nolan would do a heckuva job directing the Justice League film though!

[jmc]

It would still fly in the face of everything Nolan tried to set up in his Batman films. Unless of coarse the idea is to not use his Batman.

[rocco2216]

I would imagine there to be official announcements around the time of Comic-Con.

I was thinking the same thing. It's the best time to announce something like this, this titanic explosion of news ha ha. But now that it's being leaked, who knows when they'll officially announce it now.

[bapi]

Which makes me think this rumour is BS. I can't imagine WB giving a multi-million dollar film to someone with no directing experience, Nolan family member or not.


Look at Disney's Tron Legacy... Kosinski has directed only some Nike commercials and they gave him 300 milions to direct a sequel to 20+ years old movie.

[Dark Knight]

Which makes me think this rumour is BS. I can't imagine WB giving a multi-million dollar film to someone with no directing experience, Nolan family member or not.






Exactly!

IESB is just trying to build on the momentum and get that hit count up IMO.

Oy vey!

[redfirebird2008]

We'll know it's true if WB starts whining to the guys at IESB. But maybe they'll learn their lesson from the Goyer/Latino Review situation. Stay quiet and it will be assumed as rumor. Start whining to the website and they snitch on you to their audience...well the cat is out of the bag. lol

[BH/HHH]

Like someone already pretty much said everybody has a price.

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/rwtb/rwtbdibiase.jpg

[jmc]

I would lose so much respect for Nolan if money was the deciding factor. Like effing pissed.

[Dark Knight]

Like someone already pretty much said everybody has a price.

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/rwtb/rwtbdibiase.jpg






LOL!

That guy had the lousiest fake laugh also.......BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.....

[Webhead2006]

well i am sure if either of the nolans did superman they would do it well, i agree as i said i would perfer not to have jonah do superman for his first gig. But i would wish him the best of luck with it. I would think it would be better to have someone with a little more work. But hey its in wb/dce hands on what they decide. I just hope we get the best things this time.

[BH/HHH]

LOL!

That guy had the lousiest fake laugh also.......BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.....

Yeah I remember his theme song used to start with it :D

[Dark Knight]

I would lose so much respect for Nolan if money was the deciding factor. Like effing pissed.




Well if the Nolans have solid story ideas for Supes, and if they were offered good money.....than why wouldn't they accept whatever WB's might have offered them?

[Dark Knight]

Yeah I remember his theme song used to start with it :D






Money.....money....money....mooooooneyyyyy....BUWH AHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA......

[GL's Light]

Maybe the experience of making Inception led Nolan to be interested in what he could achieve with more sci-fi, FX-driven superhero films.

[Crook]

It would still fly in the face of everything Nolan tried to set up in his Batman films. Unless of coarse the idea is to not use his Batman.
I wouldn't go that far. The conditions Nolan set in terms of his superhero world, is that Bruce was the first to pull off the masked hero stint. The concept of a superhero did not exist in that world until Batman came along and changed the game. Which actually played into the story, which was fine.

I don't see how other superheroes emerging from this would at all contradict Nolan's stories. It actually fits with the consistent theme of Batman influencing everyone else through his actions.

[jmc]

Well if the Nolans have solid story ideas for Supes, and if they were offered good money.....than why wouldn't they accept whatever WB's might have offered them?

You're assuming they were offered the money second.

[redfirebird2008]

I would lose so much respect for Nolan if money was the deciding factor. Like effing pissed.

Nolan has his hand in the producer pie for his movies, so I don't think money for himself is that big of an issue. He helped produce TDK so he made a crap ton of money on that one, never mind his salary as director.

For a director like Nolan who has some strange ideas and a "mindf**k" storytelling style with his non-Batman projects, I would think securing carte blanche status for his passion projects is a big deal. Say he knocks it out of the park with Batman 3, Supes, and Justice League. WB will pretty much fund whatever the hell he asks them to fund the rest of his career, no matter how strange the project might be.

[BH/HHH]

Maybe the experience of making Inception led Nolan to be interested in what he could achieve with more sci-fi, FX-driven superhero films.

Maybe thats a good point actually.

Nolan has his hand in the producer pie for his movies, so I don't think money for himself is that big of an issue. He helped produce TDK so he made a crap ton of money on that one, never mind his salary as director.

For a director like Nolan who has some strange ideas and a "mindf**k" storytelling style with his non-Batman projects, I would think securing carte blanche status for his passion projects is a big deal. Say he knocks it out of the park with Batman 3, Supes, and Justice League. WB will pretty much fund whatever the hell he asks them to fund the rest of his career, no matter how strange the project might be.

Another good point

[BH/HHH]

Double post*

[Michael Corleone]

Which makes me think this rumour is BS. I can't imagine WB giving a multi-million dollar film to someone with no directing experience, Nolan family member or not.

Well they went the other direction with Singer and look how that panned out. I could definitely see how Warner Brothers would view this as a safe choice. Someone who has been involved with an existing huge franchise and can be controlled by the studios and producers who happens to be his big brother. I'm cautious to believe this will pan out, but I understand Warner Brothers mind set if it does.

[jmc]

I wouldn't go that far. The conditions Nolan set in terms of his superhero world, is that Bruce was the first to pull off the masked hero stint. The concept of a superhero did not exist in that world until Batman came along and changed the game. Which actually played into the story, which was fine.

I don't see how other superheroes emerging from this would at all contradict Nolan's stories. It actually fits with the consistent theme of Batman influencing everyone else through his actions.

Nolan's gone on record saying his Batman lives in a world without superheroes as recently as 2008 (I'll try to find the interview). He's never really treated it like a grey area, for this Batman it's been pretty much black and white. Not only that he's gone to great lengths to drill into us the plausibility aspects of this series. It would be a total back flip on his part if he suddenly decided superheros can be added to the same world.

[Dark Knight]

Maybe the experience of making Inception led Nolan to be interested in what he could achieve with more sci-fi, FX-driven superhero films.






Good point! :up:

[Michael Corleone]

Nolan's gone on record saying his Batman lives in a world without superheroes as recently as 2008 (I'll try to find the interview). He's never really treated it like a grey area, for this Batman it's been pretty much black and white. Not only that he's gone to great lengths to drill into us the plausibility aspects of this series. It would be a total back flip on his part if he suddenly decided superheros can be added to the same world.

Money is one hell of a drug.

[Dark Knight]

Nolan's gone on record saying his Batman lives in a world without superheroes as recently as 2008 (I'll try to find the interview). He's never really treated it like a grey area, for this Batman it's been pretty much black and white. Not only that he's gone to great lengths to drill into us the plausibility aspects of this series. It would be a total back flip on his part if he suddenly decided superheros can be added to the same world.






Nothing wrong with backflipping, especially since anything can be done in the movie making world.

[jmc]

Well they went the other direction with Singer and look how that panned out. I could definitely see how Warner Brothers would view this as a safe choice. Someone who has been involved with an existing huge franchise and can be controlled by the studios and producers who happens to be his big brother. I'm cautious to believe this will pan out, but I understand Warner Brothers mind set if it does.

So basically the director will be a controlled into making the film the studio and producers want, yeah, that always ends well.

[Captain Planet!]

I don't think this "the Nolans are going to rule every DC movie" rumor is logical.

[spider-neil]

before getting excited superman and batman are totally different characters so even if nolan himself was directing superman its not a guarantee the movie would be good. look at singer's pedigree before he joined superman, he came on the back of X2 with is one of the best superhero movies ever.

[jmc]

Nothing wrong with backflipping, especially since anything can be done in the movie making world.

Doesn't mean everything should be done.

[Michael Corleone]

Also, Nolan may have said specifically that his Batman was in a non-superhero world, but he also did not have the control he has seems to have now. You guys are acting like Nolan would stick to this concept no matter what happens. Everyone changes their mind. Bands get back together. Sean Connery played Bond again. Michael Jordan returned to basketball. Brett Favre didn't retire. Then he did. Then he didn't. What he said a few years ago really means nothing when we're talking about the real world.

[Crook]

Nolan's gone on record saying his Batman lives in a world without superheroes as recently as 2008 (I'll try to find the interview). He's never really treated it like a grey area, for this Batman it's been pretty much black and white.
Well yes, up until now he's made it fact that his world is separate from everyone else. I assume that's largely due to him not wanting his creation to be creatively limited and having to appease another person's vision.

Working with others to make that transition changes the game, however. Whether this is true or not doesn't alter that fact.

Not only that he's gone to great lengths to drill into us the plausibility aspects of this series. It would be a total back flip on his part if he suddenly decided superheros can be added to the same world.I won't turn this into another realism argument, but plausibility is different from probability. You and I know Nolan stretched this concept with both his films. No reason those same sensibilities wouldn't work for other heroes. Generally speaking, I think it's a great method of bringing the myths to life.

Tone is the key here, and I do think if Nolan is involved that it would have to shift a bit, but not too much that our fears of it becoming ridiculous, arise. Unbreakable is a great example of this. That featured someone who (we assume) couldn't be hurt or killed, and that was TONS more realistic than any superhero film I've seen to this date.

[GL's Light]

So basically the director will be a controlled into making the film the studio and producers want, yeah, that always ends well.
Except in this case the director and producer are brothers who have a history of working very closely, and very successfully, together. So it's not like bringing in a neophyte or journeyman director whom the producer intends to railroad.

[Michael Corleone]

So basically the director will be a controlled into making the film the studio and producers want, yeah, that always ends well.

Really? It did before the concept of the auteur was hijacked by everybody in the business. Just because the studio and producers will have a more direct say in what happens doesn't mean it's not his gig. Yes too much control can be a problem, but it's too much of a blanket statement to say it would hurt every production that comes along. In fact I would feel better knowing that Chris Nolan is guiding him along.

[jmc]

I won't turn this into another realism argument, but plausibility is different from probability. You and I know Nolan stretched this concept with both his films. No reason those same sensibilities wouldn't work for other heroes. Generally speaking, I think it's a great method of bringing the myths to life.

Tone is the key here, and I do think if Nolan is involved that it would have to shift a bit, but not too much that our fears of it becoming ridiculous, arise. Unbreakable is a great example of this. That featured someone who (we assume) couldn't be hurt or killed, and that was TONS more realistic than any superhero film I've seen to this date.

Nolan did stretch the concept, but it was still in that area between our world and fantasy world, that 'just maybe' area. Nolan will effectively be crossing that line over to the fantasy world now if the JL news is true. I don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it crook, there's just gonna be so many issues, the mythological aspects of WW is the biggest hurdle, how do gods and monsters work in the context of Nolan's Batman world? This is why I think this news is BS.

[8Diagrams(WU)]

The nolan team (inclding comics canon guru goyer) is a very solid team. Them taking the dc properties forward can only be a good thing.

[Michael Corleone]

I won't turn this into another realism argument, but plausibility is different from probability. You and I know Nolan stretched this concept with both his films. No reason those same sensibilities wouldn't work for other heroes. Generally speaking, I think it's a great method of bringing the myths to life.

Tone is the key here, and I do think if Nolan is involved that it would have to shift a bit, but not too much that our fears of it becoming ridiculous, arise. Unbreakable is a great example of this. That featured someone who (we assume) couldn't be hurt or killed, and that was TONS more realistic than any superhero film I've seen to this date.

Excellent point. Verisimilitude as Donner put it. It just all depends on the degree at which this is accomplished. I would argue that while Nolan's Batman world contains no superheroes, the world is flexible and plausible enough to allow for their incorporation. To translate that into a similar world for Superman would not destroy what Nolan has created.

Unbreakable is good example to bring up as well.

[rashad]

I'll believe this when I see it.

[Showtime]

Exactly!
IESB is just trying to build on the momentum and get that hit count up IMO.


Stop.

This is the same website that posted an article saying there was a Batman 3 script, which was confirmed by IGN. Same website that said you would be getting news on Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Flash going forward after the initial Nolan news. All that is left is Wonder Woman.

The site flat out said it wasn't confirmed by other sources yet.

[Michael Corleone]

Nolan did stretch the concept, but it was still in that area between our world and fantasy world, that 'just maybe' area. Nolan will effectively be crossing that line over to the fantasy world now if the JL news is true. I don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it crook, there's just gonna be so many issues, the mythological aspects of WW is the biggest hurdle, how do gods and monsters work in the context of Nolan's Batman world? This is why I think this news is BS.

I don't think it would be viewed as changing the world to fit the characters. I believe what they would be attempting is the same thing they did with Batman. To take that character and bring him into the real world as much as possible. You can accomplish this with the other characters as well. We have seen Nolan's Gotham and to some extent China. We have no idea what else exists in that world and I'd guess neither does Nolan because he hasn't explored it yet. For centuries people have been using stories to bring the mythical into the real world. There's no reason why Nolan can't do this to his own creation.

[Van Petrol]

This is all intriguing stuff. I just wonder how long it will be until we get official word from WB.

[Captain Planet!]

As long as they get it right (and don't try to make it like TDK), I don't care who's making the movie.

[GL's Light]

I think people take the whole "shared universe" thing a little too seriously. Thor and the rest of the Norse pantheon would have looked just as out of place if they'd shown up and rescued Tony Stark in Afghanistan in Iron Man as the Greek pantheon would look alighting into Nolan's Gotham City. You can control the level of fantasy in different film series and still have the characters interact in a team film later. Hell, the comic book shared universes do that sort of thing all the time.

[Dark Knight]

Stop.

This is the same website that posted an article saying there was a Batman 3 script, which was confirmed by IGN. Same website that said you would be getting news on Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Flash going forward after the initial Nolan news. All that is left is Wonder Woman.

The site flat out said it wasn't confirmed by other sources yet.





Sell it Showy! hahaha J/K

[Showtime]

Sell it! hahaha

Your opinion is way off base. I know who the source is.

[8Diagrams(WU)]

I think people take the whole "shared universe" thing a little too seriously. Thor and the rest of the Norse pantheon would have looked just as out of place if they'd shown up and rescued Tony Stark in Afghanistan in Iron Man as the Greek pantheon would look alighting into Nolan's Gotham City. You can control the level of fantasy in different film series and still have the characters interact in a team film later. Hell, the comic book shared universes do that sort of thing all the time.

Exactly.Each characters movie can stand as its own entity and the team up movie stands somewhere in between in terms of style. It really isnt that big of a situation. I mean thats how comic books work themselves. A batman comic is different from a green lantern comic but they can team up in a JL comic

[BH/HHH]

I think people take the whole "shared universe" thing a little too seriously. Thor and the rest of the Norse pantheon would have looked just as out of place if they'd shown up and rescued Tony Stark in Afghanistan in Iron Man as the Greek pantheon would look alighting into Nolan's Gotham City. You can control the level of fantasy in different film series and still have the characters interact in a team film later. Hell, the comic book shared universes do that sort of thing all the time.

Well said :up:

[jmc]

Something just dawned on me, I think we've all been too quick to jump to the conclusion that Nolan's involved with Superman means it will be set within the Batman universe. I'm starting to think the exact opposite might happen. If the Nolan's are handling Superman there's every possibility they'll ensure that it isn't in the same world as Batman. So far, the JL news seems BS, but if the Johan's involvement in Superman is true what better way to ensure the Superman franchise is completely different to the Batman franchise than to have one of them driving it? Something to think about.

[Micah12345]

This is great news. I think it's a stretch that nolan would end up directing a justice league. First green lantern would have to work out, then flash and superman, and hopefully wonder woman. Then you have to get all of those actors together with a quality story that does justice to each of them. I really hope it happens, but for now I'm just going to remain optimistic that we get each of the superman, green lantern, flash, and wonder woman movies off the ground.

The people saying nolan's batman couldn't work in a justice league movie are just being short sighted, unimaginative, and limited by nolan's own vision, which if the rumors pan out, nolan himself isn't as limited by.

The whole realism thing is really starting to piss me off. He's a freaking superhero for christ's sake, give me a superhero movie. If you can't do over half of batman's rogue gallery, then there is a serious problem with your vision. I hate seeing people say things like "well he could totally do someone like poison ivy, just make her a scientist and an eco terrorist."

That's lame, and if you have to change the character so much, what's the point of even using her? I'm excited for the next batman movie, but not nearly as much as I would be if I knew they were going to introduce more fantastical elements. Hopefully they'll start, to ease it into the justice league world. The thought of being limited to the only villains that 'suit' nolan's vision is very annoying. If the man thinks catwoman and penguin are 'too unrealistic' then who the hell is left?

[solidsnake86]

I don't know if some of you read the same article as I did but it clearly stated that Jonathan nolan directing was a rumour as of now. So I don't know why some say IESB is BSing or lying when they are posting what they have heard. They were on the money with spider-man 4 being cancelled, and everyone was so quick to jump down there throats for that one. At least we're getting rumours because where there is smoke there is fire, when we hear absolutely nothing (think between 08 and 09) thats when its worse.

[Lighthouse]

I'm still not crazy about a Justice League movie. I'd like all these characters to stick to their own worlds and their own stories. I'm probably in the minority on this.

[Micah12345]

A justice league movie would be amazing if done right. Plus I'm willing to bet it would make a crapload of money, bringing in fans of each superhero's fanbase.

A justice league movie or even series of movies is the only way I can really see justice being done to some of the DCU's bigger villains.

I wouldn't want to see anti-monitor in only a superman or green lantern movie, but he would be awesome in a justice league movie. Same with darkseid.

[BH/HHH]

I'm still not crazy about a Justice League movie. I'd like all these characters to stick to their own worlds and their own stories. I'm probably in the minority on this.

Well I want a Jstice League movie but I want alot of solo Superman, Batman, GL, etc movies done before that is made.

[redfirebird2008]

The whole realism thing is really starting to piss me off. He's a freaking superhero for christ's sake, give me a superhero movie. If you can't do over half of batman's rogue gallery, then there is a serious problem with your vision. I hate seeing people say things like "well he could totally do someone like poison ivy, just make her a scientist and an eco terrorist."

That's lame, and if you have to change the character so much, what's the point of even using her? I'm excited for the next batman movie, but not nearly as much as I would be if I knew they were going to introduce more fantastical elements. Hopefully they'll start, to ease it into the justice league world. The thought of being limited to the only villains that 'suit' nolan's vision is very annoying. If the man thinks catwoman and penguin are 'too unrealistic' then who the hell is left?


Are you one of the permawhite pimps?

[jmc]

I'm still not crazy about a Justice League movie. I'd like all these characters to stick to their own worlds and their own stories. I'm probably in the minority on this.

We are.

[8Diagrams(WU)]

Id like to see a worlds finest movie that leads into a JL movie

[BH/HHH]

Id like to see a worlds finest movie that leads into a JL movie

Thats what I'd want to see before a JL movie aswell

[Slugster]

I GET MORE STOKED EVERYDAY!!!!
Nolans Batman is not Nolans Superman I'll bet.
Everyone is like "Nolen finally gave us the Batman we wanted!"
Now... Nolen can't make Superman no one wants a dark realistic Superman!"
BUT... Maybe he will give you... (The Superman we always wanted!)
I said it a long time ago and was laughed at. ("NOW WHAT!")
yeah, thats what I thought. :/

[KBX]

So are we entering the era which will be now known as the Nolanverse? lol

[Wolfman]

Just when we saw (hopefully) the last of Donnerverse in SR.

[Lighthouse]

I just can't see a Justice League movie being anything other than a big actionfest, and I'm probably getting old, but nothing bores me like non-stop action. I like movies like Superman, Spider-Man 2, X2, and The Dark Knight because they had drama with the action, and it's the drama that makes me care about the action in the first place. Superman had the epic monomyth, Spider-Man had the everyman struggling with new huge responsibilities, X-Men had the human rights dynamic, The Dark Knight has the quest for several men treading morally ambiguous territory to desperately save their city. With a Justice League film, bringing all these people together for a 2-hour film to fight against Darkseid, or some other cosmic villain, just has no appeal to me.

[hippie_hunter]

Nolan's gone on record saying his Batman lives in a world without superheroes as recently as 2008 (I'll try to find the interview). He's never really treated it like a grey area, for this Batman it's been pretty much black and white. Not only that he's gone to great lengths to drill into us the plausibility aspects of this series. It would be a total back flip on his part if he suddenly decided superheros can be added to the same world.

Yeah, that's kind of the reason why I would question Nolan using his Batman in a Justice League movie.

[KBX]

I just can't see a Justice League movie being anything other than a big actionfest, and I'm probably getting old, but nothing bores me like non-stop action. I like movies like Superman, Spider-Man 2, X2, and The Dark Knight because they had drama with the action, and it's the drama that makes me care about the action in the first place. Superman had the epic monomyth, Spider-Man had the everyman struggling with new huge responsibilities, X-Men had the human rights dynamic, The Dark Knight has the quest for several men treading morally ambiguous territory to desperately save their city. With a Justice League film, bringing all these people together for a 2-hour film to fight against Darkseid, or some other cosmic villain, just has no appeal to me.

All very good points, but there are very good drama stories that can be fit in a JL movie. Instead of having Darkseid or whatever as your main villian, you can focus the whole movie about the coming together of the team. They don't have to be "Oh big villian, lets get help and smash together" but focus on the Bruce/Clark relationship or whatever

[Orin]

I just can't see a Justice League movie being anything other than a big actionfest, and I'm probably getting old, but nothing bores me like non-stop action. I like movies like Superman, Spider-Man 2, X2, and The Dark Knight because they had drama with the action, and it's the drama that makes me care about the action in the first place. Superman had the epic monomyth, Spider-Man had the everyman struggling with new huge responsibilities, X-Men had the human rights dynamic, The Dark Knight has the quest for several men treading morally ambiguous territory to desperately save their city. With a Justice League film, bringing all these people together for a 2-hour film to fight against Darkseid, or some other cosmic villain, just has no appeal to me.
Have you ever read a Justice League comic? It dosn't have to be like that. You can do just as character driven stories (with tons of action) with the JLA as you can do with any other (solo) superhero concept. There comes tons of potential with putting these characters together in one story that goes beyond the basic gimmick.

[KBX]

I don't think Nolan will direct a JL movie, more like a producer to help organize the characters and what they should do with Batman/Bruce Wayne(if Bale ever considers it)

[KBX]

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[Lighthouse]

Have you ever read a Justice League comic? It dosn't have to be like that. You can do just as character driven stories (with tons of action) with the JLA as you can do with any other (solo) superhero concept. There comes tons of potential with putting these characters together in one story that goes beyond the basic gimmick.

Yeah I have, and I really haven't been impressed by any of them. Maybe you guys can recommend a good one to me so that I could read it, but everything I've read with them together isn't nearly as intersting as the stories with them apart.

[Crook]

Nolan did stretch the concept, but it was still in that area between our world and fantasy world, that 'just maybe' area. Nolan will effectively be crossing that line over to the fantasy world now if the JL news is true. I don't think it's as cut and dry as you make it crook, there's just gonna be so many issues, the mythological aspects of WW is the biggest hurdle, how do gods and monsters work in the context of Nolan's Batman world? This is why I think this news is BS.
I will absolutely agree with you on Wonder Woman and the myth issue. Though I think that's the only truly valid criticism against the melding of Nolan's world with everyone else. We'd be stretching the hold of plausibility, but we'd maintain the consistency that all the heroes can be broken down into a science, so to speak. Again, Unbreakable has proven that tone trumps the concept.

I just can't see a Justice League movie being anything other than a big actionfest, and I'm probably getting old, but nothing bores me like non-stop action. I like movies like Superman, Spider-Man 2, X2, and The Dark Knight because they had drama with the action, and it's the drama that makes me care about the action in the first place. Superman had the epic monomyth, Spider-Man had the everyman struggling with new huge responsibilities, X-Men had the human rights dynamic, The Dark Knight has the quest for several men treading morally ambiguous territory to desperately save their city. With a Justice League film, bringing all these people together for a 2-hour film to fight against Darkseid, or some other cosmic villain, just has no appeal to me.
I think the biggest hurdle is with juggling such juggernauts all at once, for a 2-hour film. The best way to erase this would be setting up the characters through their own respective films. The big dogs, anyway. This way the film doesn't get bogged down by trying to please each fanbase.

Not to say we shouldn't strive for character development. Just that in the way TDK was free of explaining Batman as compared to BB, a JL film should be the same.

[Alonsovich]

i can not belive that some here think that WB is going to give Jonah their multi f..... billlion f.... superman franchise. to a guy who never filmed a movie? you think because hes brother made TDK that because of that Jonah can do Superman?

dont you dare WB ..............

:o:o:o:o:o

[Lighthouse]

I will absolutely agree with you on Wonder Woman and the myth issue. Though I think that's the only truly valid criticism against the melding of Nolan's world with everyone else. We'd be stretching the hold of plausibility, but we'd maintain the consistency that all the heroes can be broken down into a science, so to speak. Again, Unbreakable has proven that tone trumps the concept.


I think the biggest hurdle is with juggling such juggernauts all at once, for a 2-hour film. The best way to erase this would be setting up the characters through their own respective films. The big dogs, anyway. This way the film doesn't get bogged down by trying to please each fanbase.

Not to say we shouldn't strive for character development. Just that in the way TDK was free of explaining Batman as compared to BB, a JL film should be the same.

I'm not so concerned with character development in the Justice League movie as the underlying theme that ties the movie together. X2 was able to accomplish this with multiple characters. The Justice League teaming up to defeat a huge villain isn't enough for me. There has to be something more.

[Orin]

Yeah I have, and I really haven't been impressed by any of them. Maybe you guys can recommend a good one to me so that I could read it, but everything I've read with them together isn't nearly as intersting as the stories with them apart.

Well, if you want something that proves that the League can be more than just a cheap gimmick for big action stories i'd highly reommend Tower of Babel and especially Identity Crisis. Also, the legendary "Cadmus" story arc from the JLU cartoon is a very good example.

[Micah12345]

Are you one of the permawhite pimps?

No, I thought the joker worked fine with make-up. But the joker is one of batman's villains that doesn't really depend on his supernatural elements to retain the spirit of the character.

Although, as soon as he would be taken to arkham, the make-up would be gone, and that would be horribly lame.

[Crook]

I'm not so concerned with character development in the Justice League movie as the underlying theme that ties the movie together. X2 was able to accomplish this with multiple characters. The Justice League teaming up to defeat a huge villain isn't enough for me. There has to be something more.
A recurring theme creators seem to use is "brought together by a world crisis" concept. Very broad in the means of execution, but I think it's a good start. They can go for the idea of chance, in which all the superheroes happen to meet each other as a result of a common goal. Or, my favorite method in which someone is behind the formation of a team.

The JL animated series used J'onn as that conduit, Smallville has used the government. Either one would suffice.

[jmc]

I'm not so concerned with character development in the Justice League movie as the underlying theme that ties the movie together. X2 was able to accomplish this with multiple characters. The Justice League teaming up to defeat a huge villain isn't enough for me. There has to be something more.

I actually think character development is the reason why the Nolan JL story is BS, you are not going to get anywhere near the character development with so many big name characters in such a short time frame, and Nolan is very much a character driven story teller.

[GL's Light]

A great JLA film is the Holy Grail of superhero films for me. Make it so!

[jmc]

I will absolutely agree with you on Wonder Woman and the myth issue. Though I think that's the only truly valid criticism against the melding of Nolan's world with everyone else. We'd be stretching the hold of plausibility, but we'd maintain the consistency that all the heroes can be broken down into a science, so to speak. Again, Unbreakable has proven that tone trumps the concept.




You might be able to easily let things slide Crook but I can't do the same. I truly believe the characters are best suited to their own universes, and the more I think about it the more it makes sense that the Nolan's involvement in Superman is to ensure it is a separate universe from Batman.

[Orin]

I actually think character development is the reason why the Nolan JL story is BS, you are not going to get anywhere near the character development with so many big name characters in such a short time frame, and Nolan is very much a character driven story teller.
You know, you can develop characters by having them interact with each other. :cwink:

And i wouldn't necessary say Nolan is a character driven story teller. To me, most of his movies are more plot driven than anything else.

[Lighthouse]

A recurring theme creators seem to use is "brought together by a world crisis" concept. Very broad in the means of execution, but I think it's a good start. They can go for the idea of chance, in which all the superheroes happen to meet each other as a result of a common goal. Or, my favorite method in which someone is behind the formation of a team.

The JL animated series used J'onn as that conduit, Smallville has used the government. Either one would suffice.

The difference is that these were both TV shows setting up story arcs. For TV shows and comic books, that's fine. Those are great formats for telling long story arcs. Not so sure about a 2-hour movie.

Again, I'm not saying an interesting Justice League movie can't be made. I'm just saying I don't really see how, and the prospect of one doesn't excite me very much.

[Dark Knight]

Your opinion is way off base. I know who the source is.




Cool, but everyone has a "source" these days......

[protocida]

Superman's rising into a leader for the whole heroic community; Batman's facing of a world with aliens, amazons, governmental conspirations and etc; Wonder-Woman's shapping views of the men's world; Flash and Green Lantern's friendship and buddy cops routine; Aquaman's thorn state between an Atlantis vastly wronged by mankind and an humanity scared of what it doesn't understand. Martian Manhunter's loss and acceptance of Earth as his new home and etc.

Just some of the several themes and motifs that can explored in a Justice League movie. :cwink:

[Lighthouse]

Superman's rising into a leader for the whole heroic community; Batman's facing of a world with aliens, amazons, governmental conspirations and etc; Wonder-Woman's shapping views of the men's world; Flash and Green Lantern's friendship and buddy cops routine; Aquaman's thorn state between an Atlantis vastly wronged by mankind and an humanity scared of what it doesn't understand. Martian Manhunter's loss and acceptance of Earth as his new home and etc.

Just some of the several themes and motifs that can explored in a Justice League movie. :cwink:

No, actually those are several themes that would be better explored in their own films. Those are all character centric. You try to shove all of those into one movie, you have a muddled mess.

[Polux]

Once again, saying Nolan's Batman wouldn't work with other heroes (which Nolan has said has worked succesfully before) just because we haven't seen any scy-fy or "fantasy" in his movies YET, is like living in the 12th century and saying "The earth is flat and it couldn't be any other way !", just because no one knew how to prove it before...

Or, like they said in the Matrix :

-"Something like this has never been done before..."

-"Which is exactly why it's gonna work..."

Or something like that.

Polux

[jmc]

No, actually those are several themes that would be better explored in their own films. Those are all character centric. You try to shove all of those into one movie, you have a muddled mess.

^ Spot on.

[DarkKnight FTW]

Yeah I have, and I really haven't been impressed by any of them. Maybe you guys can recommend a good one to me so that I could read it, but everything I've read with them together isn't nearly as intersting as the stories with them apart.

I would suggest you read JLA: Tower of Babel, if you haven't already. As far as Nolan's Batman goes, Nolan said (I believe) that there were no superheroes meaning that Bruce didn't get his idea from anyone. He created the idea, so it is possible to have Nolan's Batman in a JLA movie if you use the escalation angle. Crazier villains in response to Batman. More superheroes in response to crazier villains.

Take Clark Kent for example. He is an alien on this world but maybe he doesn't consider becoming a superhero until he sees a news report about an alleged giant bat running around Gotham taking down criminals. And Hal doesn't become a hero until the death of Abin Sur, who's to say that didn't happen after Bruce created Batman. Its possible, that's all I'm saying.