WB Superman Reboot 3.0: Christopher Nolan Edition

[Rust]

If Jonah gets it or not do you think Chris will want to bring in his main crew like composer Hans Zimmer and cinematographer Wally Pfister, and possibly actors he worked with like Tom Hardy?

Would that be a stretch?

[akfj]

If Jonah gets it or not do you think Chris will want to bring in his main crew like composer Hans Zimmer and cinematographer Wally Pfister, and possibly actors he worked with like Tom Hardy?

Would that be a stretch?

I doubt it about Pfister. He would be working on Batman 3 at around the same time. The same goes for some of the other crew probably as well.

[GreenKToo]

I'm not even gonna give whoever created that site the satisfaction of clicking on it again. I wouldnt be surprised if someone here created it and are laughing at folks over it.

[Showtime]

Are you guys still talking about that terrible website?

[The Sage]

Isn't a bit risky to let Jonah Nolan's directorial debut be the Superman reboot?

[Kevin Roegele]

Isn't a bit risky to let Jonah Nolan's directorial debut be the Superman reboot?

One of Warner Bros. crown jewels?

You can say that again.

Although looking at the past directors they have given it to - McG, Brett Ratner, Tim 'great but inappropriate' Burton - they don't seem to be especially picky.

[Rust]

One of Warner Bros. crown jewels?

You can say that again.

Although looking at the past directors they have given it to - McG, Brett Ratner, Tim 'great but inappropriate' Burton - they don't seem to be especially picky.


Well, I may be in over my head here, but I dont think Chris Nolan will allow someone like McG anywhere near this thing again.

[JackMercy]

One of Warner Bros. crown jewels?

You can say that again.

Although looking at the past directors they have given it to - McG, Brett Ratner, Tim 'great but inappropriate' Burton - they don't seem to be especially picky.

Touche...

:word:

[The Sage]

One of Warner Bros. crown jewels?

You can say that again.

Although looking at the past directors they have given it to - McG, Brett Ratner, Tim 'great but inappropriate' Burton - they don't seem to be especially picky.

True though those guys at least directed a film before getting handed that project, if I'm right. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

I'm not saying Jonah can't do it. But it seems kinda weird. I'm guessing Chris will be there to guide him while he's making BB3.

[ALP]

Just because someone can write doesnt means they are also a good director. No way would they give him Superman as his directing debut.

I'm sure about 99% will disagree in here but I don't even think Superman needs Nolan. I like his work especially Batman but he's not the right fit for Superman. I really don't think he needs to work on this movie at all.

[GreenKToo]

IF nolan wasnt involved, you prolly wouldnt be seeing a superman film..he went to them, not vice versa.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Just because someone can write doesnt means they are also a good director. No way would they give him Superman as his directing debut.

Someone has to do it and there aren't that many directors we've been hearing about wanting take a shot at it. Giving it to J. Nolan would be the easiest option since he's already involved and it keeps Warner Bros. bread and butter, C. Nolan, happy.

[dark_b]

IF nolan wasnt involved, you prolly wouldnt be seeing a superman film..he went to them, not vice versa.i think WB would make this superman movie even without Nolan.

you know the problem with the rights and the Siegel family?



correct? :yay:

[dark_b]

Someone has to do it and there aren't that many directors we've been hearing about wanting take a shot at it. Giving it to J. Nolan would be the easiest option since he's already involved and it keeps Warner Bros. bread and butter, C. Nolan, happy.how is giving it to the guy who never directed a movie the easiest option?


wouldnt it be the easiest option to give it to a director who has experience and is such a small name that he would be cheap?


i mean WTF guys. some here are crossing the lines so much that its not even funny anymore.

its like Nolan or no superman movie. i understand that some here think that with Nolan all batman movies will stop for ever. but now we already act like this with superman?

:yay:

[GL's Light]

how is giving it to the guy who never directed a movie the easiest option?
It's not the easiest option, but you're obviously glad Disney chose that option with Tron Legacy.

[ALP]

No way would we not get a superman movie if Nolan wasn't involved. I'm sure WB was thinking of how to get the series back off the ground...many other people have been named as potentials.

I agree with dark b, if it were to keep Nolan happy, would it be okay to hire a random smelly hobo off the street to direct the film? I mean if that is what Nolan wanted...

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

how is giving it to the guy who never directed a movie the easiest option?

Because he's already there. They don't have to go out and look for somebody else.


its like Nolan or no superman movie. i understand that some here think that with Nolan all batman movies will stop for ever. but now we already act like this with superman?

We all want a Superman movie, a good one at that. I wish Spielberg would do it, but it looks like that's not going to happen. I'm open to the idea of this being J. Nolan's first movie, because while there may not be any evidence of him being a good director, there's also no evidence of him being a bad director.

[ALP]

Because he's already there. They don't have to go out and look for somebody else.

What do you mean he is already there?:huh:


We all want a Superman movie, a good one at that. I wish Spielberg would do it, but it looks like that's not going to happen. I'm open to the idea of this being J. Nolan's first movie, because while there may not be any evidence of him being a good director, there's also no evidence of him being a bad director.That same thing applies to you as well. Maybe you should direct.

I just don't think it's a smart move to give a $200M tentpole movie to an unproved director...but hey, if that is what The Nolan demands of us mortals:awesome:

[Alonsovich]

What do you mean he is already there?:huh:


That same thing applies to you as well. Maybe you should direct.

I just don't think it's a smart move to give a $200M tentpole movie to an unproved director...but hey, if that is what The Nolan demands of us mortals:awesome:

In charge of 2 DC projects... don't forget that according to the same people that are putting Jonah on the director chair, the big Nolan bro is also overseeing GL... with Supes it would be the 3rd... and if the rumor of Goyer doing WW is true it's 4 DC heroes under his command.

Oh... he demanded that of WB too. And they accepted. And they're the owners. And the oness that are putting the $$$ and wanting those $$$ and something more in return. So apparently the rookie director thing doesn't worry the people that actually have something invested in the project... you know, those that aren't on a message board. :o

[ALP]

^Yeah cause we all see how their previous decisions worked out so well. Like hiring Bryan Singer to make a sequel to a 20 year old film. That was a nice investment eh?

I'm willing to bet most of those rumors are complete bunk. This type of stuff comes up all of the time and we all know it. He isn't directing the Lantern, that film is already on the go and they aren't attached. And from what I read, Goyer is likely to write Superman. He could write WW as well but definitely not direct it. Goyer is an awful director.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

What do you mean he is already there?:huh:
The brothers Nolan have worked together in the past, quite well for that matter. We can assume Jonathan will be apart of it somehow.


That same thing applies to you as well. Maybe you should direct.
Maybe I will.


I just don't think it's a smart move to give a $200M tentpole movie to an unproved director...
I didn't think it was smart to remake the first movie and try to connect it to a 26 year old predecessor. Warner Brothers likes to take chances with Superman.

[Sawyer]

In charge of 2 DC projects... don't forget that according to the same people that are putting Jonah on the director chair, the big Nolan bro is also overseeing GL... with Supes it would be the 3rd... and if the rumor of Goyer doing WW is true it's 4 DC heroes under his command.

Oh... he demanded that of WB too. And they accepted. And they're the owners. And the oness that are putting the $$$ and wanting those $$$ and something more in return. So apparently the rookie director thing doesn't worry the people that actually have something invested in the project... you know, those that aren't on a message board. :o

I've heard nothing about that.

[ALP]

^Probably just another unproved rumor that will fade once something else comes up.


But the one thing that would make me rather see Jonah Nolan direct is if Goyer wanted to. Better to give to an unproven guy like Jonah and get a 50/50 chance of a well directed film...or give it to Goyer and get a 100% chance of a poorly directed film.

[Alonsovich]

^Yeah cause we all see how their previous decisions worked out so well. Like hiring Bryan Singer to make a sequel to a 20 year old film. That was a nice investment eh?

Studios never lose money with such a film, you're being naive if you think SR didn't bring them money. It did. BO + Merchandising + DVD/BR sales. It did bring them money. SR, as much as I hate the film was never an outright bomb. WB won money with it, just not enough to pour another 200 million in it. So yes, it was a nice investment. Another story is the public reaction that it had.

[ALP]

But look at Batman Begins, it only did modest in the box office yet it got a sequel(that ended up being massive). Since this is the case, they should not be surprised that Returns did not make mega-money like TDK because it was only the 'set-up' film. So if it did okay for them and it still doesn't get a sequel I bet that they just weren't happy with the movie.

[Alonsovich]

But look at Batman Begins, it only did modest in the box office yet it got a sequel(that ended up being massive). Since this is the case, they should not be surprised that Returns did not make mega-money like TDK because it was only the 'set-up' film. So if it did okay for them and it still doesn't get a sequel I bet that they just weren't happy with the movie.

That's why I said that another story was the public reaction it had, which was bad.

[Alonsovich]

I've heard nothing about that.

^Probably just another unproved rumor that will fade once something else comes up.


But the one thing that would make me rather see Jonah Nolan direct is if Goyer wanted to. Better to give to an unproven guy like Jonah and get a 50/50 chance of a well directed film...or give it to Goyer and get a 100% chance of a poorly directed film.

Look here. (http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8514%3Aiesb-exclusive-big-plans-for-superman-batman-a-co&catid=43%3Aexclusive-features&Itemid=73) Before you say "IESB, blah, blah..." it's written by Jamie... y'know the one that broke the "unconfirmed" Nolan story?

I quote: The whispers in our ear (again unconfirmed!) say Chris will shepherd his Batman and the next cinematic Superman (and presumably Ryan Reynolds’ Green Lantern, The Flash and others) towards a Justice League movie.

Unconfirmed, of course... but coming from someone that has been 100% spot on about the WB/DC projects.

[Showtime]

But look at Batman Begins, it only did modest in the box office yet it got a sequel(that ended up being massive). Since this is the case, they should not be surprised that Returns did not make mega-money like TDK because it was only the 'set-up' film. So if it did okay for them and it still doesn't get a sequel I bet that they just weren't happy with the movie.

Much more too it than that unfortunately, not a black or white issue.

[ALP]

But it doesn't mesh with the fact that Nolan said Superman doesn't exist in the Batman world he has created. How can there be the Justice league...

[Anita18]

Much more too it than that unfortunately, not a black or white issue.
If you could, is it possible to go more into that? How things get done (or not) in Hollywood is a fascinating study, especially with expensive projects....

[Showtime]

But it doesn't mesh with the fact that Nolan said Superman doesn't exist in the Batman world he has created. How can there be the Justice league...

Batman would be the first hero, ie he shows up first, hence why said heroes haven't existed yet.

[Jake Cassidy]

That means it's just following the animated series route. First Batman, then Superman, then the rest.

[Alonsovich]

Batman would be the first hero, ie he shows up first, hence why said heroes haven't existed yet.

And I think it's somehow brilliant too. Makes full circle with the "inspiring people" theme of BB and TDK (yes... the copycats, even Joker is a twisted version of that shaking out of apathy)... all kinds of people... and is also a potentially interesting theme, as in how a mere human inspired a bunch of gods to get out of their couch.

[Showtime]

When Jamie and I were talking about it before the article was posted, at first it was a WTF? moment. Then it sunk in, and we realized how smart it was.

[GL's Light]

But look at Batman Begins, it only did modest in the box office yet it got a sequel(that ended up being massive). Since this is the case, they should not be surprised that Returns did not make mega-money like TDK because it was only the 'set-up' film. So if it did okay for them and it still doesn't get a sequel I bet that they just weren't happy with the movie.
Batman Begins was a huge hit in home entertainment - indicating that its audience had grown from its theatrical release and that a sequel stood a very good chance of seeing an increase in box office - whereas Superman Returns only did okay in home entertainment, following a theatrical performance that was likewise only okay.

[dark_b]

It's not the easiest option, but you're obviously glad Disney chose that option with Tron Legacy.ohhhhh classic SHH. because i have in my avatar a clip from a movei i must be a fan of the director,actor and movie.

it has nothing to do with the fact that the shot is just cool and i liked it as an avatar. noooo i have to like everythign right?:huh:

last year i had an avatar from dragonball evolution. people made fun of me like i was a fan of DB:E.

[Rust]

Just a sidenote. If Zack Snyder was to direct I have a feelign he'd use the very first suit and style the way he did it in the early years of Watchmen, the Minutemen and make it an odd period-piece steampunk adventure. Would be interesting.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_t9pl9Dh5gGQ/ScKnfMl8olI/AAAAAAAAB7Y/B3T09Lr2CFE/s400/AlexRossSupermanDetail.jpg

http://cdn2.ioffer.com/img/item/139/540/307/0XfAjF3v7bEbqVO.jpg

[GL's Light]

ohhhhh classic SHH. because i have in my avatar a clip from a movei i must be a fan of the director,actor and movie.
Having an avatar of a movie one isn't a fan of, or at least highly anticipating, would be very unusual - most likely unique in fact amongst users of this forum. So if it's a classic SHH reaction that's precisely because of the classic SHH practice of avatar usage. So for the record, Tron Legacy isn't a film you're highly anticipating?

[GreenKToo]

@ SHOW.

I'm not asking what you've heard, i'm asking your personal opinion here as a fan....Do you think this will be a one shot Superman film with WB then using him next in JL or a WF film? I'm thinking yes myself.

[Showtime]

They are approaching it as a one shot Superman Film. That is the mindset...

[FilmNerdJamie]

Which I see as a good thing.

[BH/HHH]

They are approaching it as a one shot Superman Film. That is the mindset...

I like this

[Rust]

They are approaching it as a one shot Superman Film. That is the mindset...

You sure know alot about the ongoings. Does that mean that it's actually coming together and coming together fast? Does it sound promising?

[treeringralph]

I believe in Showtime, but I doubt they're "approaching it as a one shot Superman Film."

It's more likely that this is all born from Nolan's famous "one movie at a time" answer to any question about future movies. I mean, this is the Supehero Movie Franchise Era, for heaven's sake!

[Prison Mike]

If it's a "one-shot" thing then I hope they make it about an older Superman in his late 30s or early 40s. I would love to see a movie like that.

[Showtime]

I believe in Showtime, but I doubt they're "approaching it as a one shot Superman Film."

It's more likely that this is all born from Nolan's famous "one movie at a time" answer to any question about future movies. I mean, this is the Supehero Movie Franchise Era, for heaven's sake!

They are looking at it as a one shot deal, ie they are going to throw everything they have into this film. They aren't worrying about sequels or a trilogy. That will take care of itself if need be.

[TheWatcher]

They are looking at it as a one shot deal, ie they are going to throw everything they have into this film. They aren't worrying about sequels or a trilogy. That will take care of itself if need be.
So there is a chance of sequels,but they are dealing about the 1st movie as the main priority. Sounds good. I just want a younger actor(late 20's-early 30's).

[GlasgowBat]

^i get what you mean; not using it as a film that sets things up for a sequel, but simply the best superman film they can.

but this doesn't mean that sequel's are out of the question. Just that the priority is not setting up a franchise, ala Green Lantern

[GreenKToo]

They are approaching it as a one shot Superman Film. That is the mindset...

Which I see as a good thing.
Just what I was wanting to hear..the Hamm rumors make sense then.

[Rust]

They are looking at it as a one shot deal, ie they are going to throw everything they have into this film.


I think they'd have to as well. And good to hear they're not thinking trilogy and wasting too much time setting up the first movie.

[ALP]

I would LOVE to see Zack Snyder make a Superman movie but after Watchmen only doing modest in both reception and box offfice I don't think they're going to give him anymore tentpoles.

[Octoberist]

well, he still has a lot of power at WB and he's coming out with The Guardians of Ga'Hoole and Sucker Punch, and they're both genre related.

But Zach said he's not interested. but then again, never say never in Hollywood.

[FilmNerdJamie]

After seeing the Sucker Punch footage, it's safe to say we're better off without him.

[DorkyFresh]

They are looking at it as a one shot deal, ie they are going to throw everything they have into this film. They aren't worrying about sequels or a trilogy. That will take care of itself if need be.
Just what I was wanting to hear..the Hamm rumors make sense then.
i believe they're following the Batman Begins formula. concentrate on the first movie and make it the best it can possibly be without worrying about a sequel. however, that doesn't necessarily mean that a sequel isn't on the back of their minds. after all, they didn't cast an actor approaching 40 for Batman. Bale was 30 when Batman Begins was being made. i expect they'll be looking for an actor in the similar age range for Superman so that in the event that this movie is successful they won't have to worry about the actor looking too old or aging too rapidly. that's why i keep stressing for Hamm fans to not get their hopes up too much. just because he's being looked at doesn't mean he's ideal for the role. i look at girls all the time, but that doesn't mean they're ideal for me.

[The Batman]

I'd rather have one great Superman film than a "this one was decent, lets improve on it with the sequel" type deal.

In other words, this flick should be "TDK", "Spider-Man 2", and "X2" level from the beginning.

[bgshw44]

Which I see as a good thing.

likewise. obviously if its hit then they will continue the franchise. but they are definatley not holding back!

[GreenKToo]

i believe they're following the Batman Begins formula. concentrate on the first movie and make it the best it can possibly be without worrying about a sequel. however, that doesn't necessarily mean that a sequel isn't on the back of their minds. after all, they didn't cast an actor approaching 40 for Batman. Bale was 30 when Batman Begins was being made. i expect they'll be looking for an actor in the similar age range for Superman so that in the event that this movie is successful they won't have to worry about the actor looking too old or aging too rapidly. that's why i keep stressing for Hamm fans to not get their hopes up too much. just because he's being looked at doesn't mean he's ideal for the role. i look at girls all the time, but that doesn't mean they're ideal for me.
It's not so much Hamm that excites me as it is that they're looking at older actors for supes....Me like plenty.

[Sawyer]

I'd rather have one great Superman film than a "this one was decent, lets improve on it with the sequel" type deal.

In other words, this flick should be "TDK", "Spider-Man 2", and "X2" level from the beginning.

Hey hey hey!!! I think their predecessors were more than just decent. If anything, lets skip right to The Wrath of Khan instead of wasting one movie on Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

[DorkyFresh]

It's not so much Hamm that excites me as it is that they're looking at older actors for supes....Me like plenty.

well that goes for any actor over the age of 35, including Jackman and Caviezel. they're approaching the situation as if it's a one movie deal so they don't have to worry about the pressure of setting up a sequel and focusing on the best story possible, but i guarantee that they're also thinking long term and preparing for a potential sequel just in case this one is successful. part of that means casting an actor who is fairly youthful.

honestly, i don't know why anyone would want to see a Superman on screen that looks like he's approaching 40 unless it were an other worlds movie (Kingdom Come). i understand the want for Superman to actually look and act like a MAN but a youthful actor can do that. they just need the right credentials (ala Christopher Reeve, who was in his mid-20's when he first played Superman).



btw...if Hamm or Caviezel don't end up getting the role of Superman/Clark Kent (which i sincerely hope they don't) then i'd love to see either of them as Jor-El......preferably Hamm.

[General Vulcun]

If The Man of Steel ignites the excitement in Superman that we haven't seen from the GA with the last few films, then they will demand, and WB will be more than happy to supply.

Though I believe they are definitely thinking of this film as just the best possible Superman film they can make, it wouldn't surprise me if they are thinking of sequels but in terms of the way Nolan thinks of his Batman films: make them so that they're one part to a larger story, but also so that they can function as if they're just their own film with nothing coming before or after. Watching The Dark Knight recently, you can see how well it works as its own film, it doesn't exactly need Batman Begins as it predecessor to be a great film on its own.

So while I can see this just being its own film, it wouldn't surprise me if Nolan & Goyer have mused about what possible story could arise from The Man of Steel, what consequences would occur because of the events of that film, and so on. I'm sure with Batman Begins Nolan just wanted to make the best Batman film he could, but incase there was a demand for this particular take on Batman (like there very wll could be for this version of Superman), he construct 2 other parts that could function together as one larger story.

I obviously don't know if Nolan & Goyer are planning this, but I wouldn't doubt that it's crossed their mind, just in case.

[GreenKToo]

It should be Lotr ROTK, TDK, Spidey II, independence day, I.M., TIH, ESB, ST:TWoK from the get go.
Say what you will about Independence day, but it jumped straight into the action and put you on the edge of your seat.

[DorkyFresh]

if the rumors about the story arch are true, then it seems they're fashioning this VERY MUCH like Batman Begins. the protagonist doesn't become our hero until 1/3 through the film (just like BB), if there's action in the beginning then it will most likely be while he is discovering/learning how to use his powers (just like BB), there is a growing sense of crime in the city which sparks the need for a hero figure (just like BB), this growing crime rate will also be stifled with our hero recruiting a strong lady to help expose the crime bosses (just like BB) and there's even a grand scheme to destroy the city (just like BB).

if this is the case, i'll be very happy......since i don't think they could've possibly made a better origin tale for Batman. hopefully, they've found a formula that works and this movie will be successful enough to earn a sequel the likes of 'the Dark Knight'.

[DorkyFresh]

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[Superark]

well that goes for any actor over the age of 35, including Jackman and Caviezel. they're approaching the situation as if it's a one movie deal so they don't have to worry about the pressure of setting up a sequel and focusing on the best story possible, but i guarantee that they're also thinking long term and preparing for a potential sequel just in case this one is successful. part of that means casting an actor who is fairly youthful.

honestly, i don't know why anyone would want to see a Superman on screen that looks like he's approaching 40 unless it were an other worlds movie (Kingdom Come). i understand the want for Superman to actually look and act like a MAN but a youthful actor can do that. they just need the right credentials (ala Christopher Reeve, who was in his mid-20's when he first played Superman).



btw...if Hamm or Caviezel don't end up getting the role of Superman/Clark Kent (which i sincerely hope they don't) then i'd love to see either of them as Jor-El......preferably Hamm.

DorkyFresh just about every post of yours has been right on the money and exactly how I feel. I like Hamm, just not for Superman. He would make a good Jor-El, though Caviezel is my personal choice.

It's a shame Routh's chance has passed because he he really does have the best look and build for Superman and is right age.

[DorkyFresh]

DorkyFresh just about every post of yours has been right on the money and exactly how I feel. I like Hamm, just not for Superman. He would make a good Jor-El, though Caviezel is my personal choice.
good to hear that my views aren't alone, haha. i feel the same...i like Hamm, i really do. even before Chris Nolan started talking about Superman i could tell he's a star...but unfortunately, he's just not the ideal age for a Superman that is appearing for the first time in Metropolis.

It's a shame Routh's chance has passed because he he really does have the best look and build for Superman and is right age.
yeah, he has a great look and is the perfect age.....but i doubt they'll be seriously considering him. if they want to establish this as a standalone Superman movie and set it apart from previous films then the best way to do that is to get a different actor in the main role. even if they were seriously considering Routh, i honestly would be worried.....just because i have real doubts about his acting abilities, and i used to be a Routh supporter.

[manofsteel4life]

im a little confused on this whole establised thing. Does mean it he will be establised as in Metro already knows about supes, or does it mean hes already superman, meaning in the mind he is, but Metro doesnt know it yet:huh:

[batman44]

I think it's the former.

[manofsteel4life]

ok....thanks

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Pretty sure it means that watching this movie would be like reading All-Star Superman. Clark is already Superman and has been for years.

[ChickenScratch]

im a little confused on this whole establised thing. Does mean it he will be establised as in Metro already knows about supes, or does it mean hes already superman, meaning in the mind he is, but Metro doesnt know it yet:huh:

I think it means there is an established status quo that everyone who knows who Superman is even superficially will get going in. It will be like All Star Superman or a random episode of TAS. All the elements we know, Clark, Lois, Jimmy, Perry, Ma and Pa Kent, Daily Planet, Lex Luthor, Metropolis being the city of tomorrow. Basically, the things that are all a given will be there so they can just get on with it without having to explain who, what and why.

[manofsteel4life]

thanks again guys, thats what i orginally thought, but i saw i few postings saying how supes will be revealed to the public, so i got a little mixed up....thanks

[The Batman]

Hey hey hey!!! I think their predecessors were more than just decent. If anything, lets skip right to The Wrath of Khan instead of wasting one movie on Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

With Batman Begins, you have a point.

SM1 and X1? Not so much....

[Sawyer]

Spider-Man, maybe. I actually like the first X-Men just as much, maybe more, than X2.

[GreenKToo]

yup, I have a feeling this superman will already have been around for awhile.
Like chickenscratch said, it will probably be like a random episode of TAS where you already know the who, the where, and the why, and it just jumps right into the story and the action.

[\S/uperman]

They are looking at it as a one shot deal, ie they are going to throw everything they have into this film. They aren't worrying about sequels or a trilogy. That will take care of itself if need be.

Ya a lot of people have that opinion, but it isn't from inside info such as yours. You are definitely becoming a big time name for Superman info. Who knows maybe Nolan will call you up for advice on making Superman :up: Ya never know! If you get a call from Nolan, tell him to stay away from Donner influences this time around :doh:

Cheers

[solidsnake86]

They are looking at it as a one shot deal, ie they are going to throw everything they have into this film. They aren't worrying about sequels or a trilogy. That will take care of itself if need be.

I think this is really evident in the fact that they are using brainiac in film. Everyone one has more or less said that brainiac would be a great villain for a sequel because it really ups the ante but at this point they need brainiac from the start because as a villain he hits all the bases: integration into the origin if u want, personal threat (killed pa Kent in the comics) has the drones to provide action where superman can really let loose and great visuals.

[TMC1982]

http://thehumanscorch.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/nolan-lets-count-the-number-of-things-wrong-with-superman-returns/

Basically, we can all agree that Bryan Singer absolutely blew it! :oldrazz:

[dark_b]

if the rumors about the story arch are true, then it seems they're fashioning this VERY MUCH like Batman Begins. the protagonist doesn't become our hero until 1/3 through the film (just like BB), if there's action in the beginning then it will most likely be while he is discovering/learning how to use his powers (just like BB), there is a growing sense of crime in the city which sparks the need for a hero figure (just like BB), this growing crime rate will also be stifled with our hero recruiting a strong lady to help expose the crime bosses (just like BB) and there's even a grand scheme to destroy the city (just like BB).

if this is the case, i'll be very happy......since i don't think they could've possibly made a better origin tale for Batman. hopefully, they've found a formula that works and this movie will be successful enough to earn a sequel the likes of 'the Dark Knight'.

i dont remember any rumors that this movie would be an origin like BB :yay:

[jmc]

Not really film news but I thought I'd post this. Amazing story. Superman may just save US family's home

A US family facing the loss of their mortgaged home stumbled on a comic book in their basement that is expected to fetch up to $US250,000 ($274,000) at auction, an American television network reported.

The family, who live in the nation's south but wish to remain anonymous, found the copy of Action Comics No. 1 - the first in which Superman appeared - as they were packing up their home for sale.

"The bank was about ready to foreclose," Vincent Zurzolo, co-owner of ComicConnect.com and Metropolis Comics and Collectibles in New York told ABC.

"Literally, this family was in tears. The family home was going to be lost and they're devastated. They can't figure out a way out of this.

"They start packing things up. They go into the basement and start sifting through boxes - trying to find packing boxes - and they stumble on eight or nine comic books."

Most of the comic books found in the house - which has been in the family since the 1950s - were valued between $10 and $30, but the Superman issue, dated June 1938, is extremely rare, Mr Zurzolo explained.

The issue shows Superman lifting a car above his head.

"It's a tremendous piece of American pop culture history," Mr Zurzolo said.

"You couldn't have asked for a happier ending. Superman saved the day."

The comic is expected to fetch at least $US250,000 through an auction on ComicConnect's website on August 27.

[GreenKToo]

Its worth alot more than $274,000. If memory serves, I think another action comics #1 went for $900,000 at an auction. ( of course, it depends on the condition of this one, and the article didnt say)

[BATS N' HORNETS]

the latest one sold in NY for like 1.2 or 1.8 million

[bonoferox]

I remember seeing a copy on ebay about 7 or 8 years ago that sold for around 400.00. It was in terrible condition and was missing the back page with a few moderate-sized holes (possibly from mice) on the front cover. Not sure if it was worth more than 400 in that condition, but it was still out of my price range.

[ALP]

I wonder if Nolan's produced reboot will be something completely new with a new Superman...or if they will use the same cast and just take it in a different direction.

[Superman Prime]

if the rumors about the story arch are true, then it seems they're fashioning this VERY MUCH like Batman Begins. the protagonist doesn't become our hero until 1/3 through the film (just like BB

I thought it was made clear that this isn't going to be an origins film.

[treeringralph]

Yep. Not a reboot. Not a sequel.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what that means exactly.

[Young Superman]

Even if superman has already been around for awhile in the film. He should not look as old as Jon Hamm looks. Hamm looks too be in his mid to late 40s, even though he's only 39. Add too the fact Superman is supposed to age a lot slower than humans.

[maenalus]

I don't want Hamm either, but not because he looks to old. I wouldn't mind at all a 40something Superman. George Reeves was in his 40s when he played a fun, lively and energetic Supes.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

They are looking at it as a one shot deal, ie they are going to throw everything they have into this film. They aren't worrying about sequels or a trilogy. That will take care of itself if need be.Thats how the studios should treat all films. Superman can't really afford to hold back this time.

[DorkyFresh]

i dont remember any rumors that this movie would be an origin like BB :yay:

I thought it was made clear that this isn't going to be an origins film.

which is why i posted "IF the rumors about the story arch are true..." they've mentioned that their movie will take place in an already established world but that doesn't necessarily mean Superman will already be known to Metropolis. again, IF the rumors about their premise are true, and Superman won't show until 1/3 through the movie because of the growing crime rate then it most likely means he'll be showing himself to Metropolis for the first time. IF this is the case, then it won't be an origin film in the sense that they won't show Kal-El leaving Krypton, growing up in Smallville, and moving to Metropolis....but it will be an origin film in the sense that Superman will make his 'first appearance' to Metropolis.



again....this is all speculation. i'm not saying that any of this is legit...but it seems to me that they're trying to use the Batman movies as a template to jump start the Superman movies, in which case, it would make perfect sense to 'copy' Batman Begins.

[Asgard]

I hope the next film will have a Superman that hasnt made his public debut.

[mego joe]

http://thehumanscorch.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/nolan-lets-count-the-number-of-things-wrong-with-superman-returns/

Basically, we can all agree that Bryan Singer absolutely blew it! :oldrazz:

Well, I certainly agree! I didn't mind the look of the costume- I could live with it and I didn't think it was lit too darkly, but everything else he mentioned- yeah!

[mego joe]

which is why i posted "IF the rumors about the story arch are true..." they've mentioned that their movie will take place in an already established world but that doesn't necessarily mean Superman will already be known to Metropolis. again, IF the rumors about their premise are true, and Superman won't show until 1/3 through the movie because of the growing crime rate then it most likely means he'll be showing himself to Metropolis for the first time. IF this is the case, then it won't be an origin film in the sense that they won't show Kal-El leaving Krypton, growing up in Smallville, and moving to Metropolis....but it will be an origin film in the sense that Superman will make his 'first appearance' to Metropolis.



again....this is all speculation. i'm not saying that any of this is legit...but it seems to me that they're trying to use the Batman movies as a template to jump start the Superman movies, in which case, it would make perfect sense to 'copy' Batman Begins.


Perhaps he is already established but the specific circumstances of the story create a situation in which he is not able to appear until later.

I'd hate to think of him in retirement but perhaps that's what they're going with. Maybe he and Lois got married and he gave up being SUperman and a new threat draws him out.

Or it's a more complex situation in which he's unable to operate. Perhaps some Xenophobia due to circumstances in the film. Who knows.

[maenalus]

^Have to disagree. And I'm confident that they wont wast time on any boring "Superman trying to establish himself" plot points.

Edit: This is a reply to Asgard.

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Pretty sure that supposed first third is just Clark doing Clark stuff. He's not retired, he's not waiting for the right moment, it's just his life as a normal citizen.

[mego joe]

Pretty sure that supposed first third is just Clark doing Clark stuff. He's not retired, he's not waiting for the right moment, it's just his life as a normal citizen.

Well, who would have thought of that. I like that- actually spending time on Clark! I like it, I like it a lot. Actually making Clark a character instead of a caricature.

[DorkyFresh]

Perhaps he is already established but the specific circumstances of the story create a situation in which he is not able to appear until later.

I'd hate to think of him in retirement but perhaps that's what they're going with. Maybe he and Lois got married and he gave up being SUperman and a new threat draws him out.

Or it's a more complex situation in which he's unable to operate. Perhaps some Xenophobia due to circumstances in the film. Who knows.

no no no!!! this is wayyyyy too similar to Superman Returns and they'll want to distance themselves FAR from that movie. i'm not sure how they'll be introducing Superman in the movie, but i can guarantee that he won't be coming out of any kind of retirement or break. he'll either already be known to the public and carrying out his daily "duties" or like the rumors suggest, he'll be a product of the rising crime-rate in Metropolis.

^Have to disagree. And I'm confident that they wont wast time on any boring "Superman trying to establish himself" plot points.
Bruce Wayne took up the first 3rd of Batman Begins establishing himself and i found none of it boring. they could easily do the same for Clark/Superman. just because he's not wearing the suit doesn't mean they can't write in interesting/good action for Clark to be involved with. he was Superman long before he knew he was going to be Superman.

Pretty sure that supposed first third is just Clark doing Clark stuff. He's not retired, he's not waiting for the right moment, it's just his life as a normal citizen.
pretty much hit the nail on the head and yet another thing we agree on. again, this is all speculation but this seems like the most logical way to approach this new Superman.

[LaraLane]

I hope the next film will have a Superman that hasnt made his public debut.

That would be horrible if they have him established to the point they do not reintroduce him to the public!

[Rust]

no no no!!! this is wayyyyy too similar to Superman Returns and they'll want to distance themselves FAR from that movie. i'm not sure how they'll be introducing Superman in the movie, but i can guarantee that he won't be coming out of any kind of retirement or break. he'll either already be known to the public and carrying out his daily "duties" or like the rumors suggest, he'll be a product of the rising crime-rate in Metropolis.


I agree that this time Supes cant rest too much on his emo-laurels and I would absolutly hate to see him come out of retirement or having been away and then "returning". No goddamn way!
And I dont care for the imo typical superhero motivation: the rising crime-rate. I'd rather wanna see Supes fighting natural disasters or more global threats(incoming meteors would be kinda awesome) than your everyday gunslining goon. That's too oldschool and more up Batman's alley.

But sure, ha can be provoked into full swing when he learns (instinctively) that Brainiac is coming to town.

[SuperDaniel]

http://thehumanscorch.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/nolan-lets-count-the-number-of-things-wrong-with-superman-returns/

Basically, we can all agree that Bryan Singer absolutely blew it! :oldrazz:
Best review of Superman Returns ever! :up:

[GreenKToo]

I get the feeling that when the film opens, you'll see a C.K. sitting at his desk in the D.P. very comfortable in his job. Probably a scene with him, Lois, Perry, etc.

He'll hear something with his superhearing that distracts him from the conversation. He'll politely excuse himself, head for the storage room, and we'll get the Classic shirt rip along with a beautiful score, then a really great action scene of Superman saving some people.
( I think it will be something really big to start it off with a bang.) Maybe he saves a sinking cruise ship, or stops a highrise from collapsing, I dunno....but I do think we'll get something similar to this within the first 10 mins of the film's opening.

I think WB will want to show that this is a different Superman film, the one that the fans and public wanted from the start. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but we shall see.

[dark_b]

or you open the movie with a super mega action save sequence from superman.;)

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

They've got to come out swinging and they know it. I expect the first Superman scene to be a big "wow" moment.

[Rust]

Pretty funny... albeit a bit old.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a17/ThaJackaL/DC-Universe/Superman/SUPERMAN2011-2.jpg

[Karelia]

Pretty funny... albeit a bit old.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a17/ThaJackaL/DC-Universe/Superman/SUPERMAN2011-2.jpg

:hehe: I haven't seen that before. Pretty funny. :woot:

[solidsnake86]

They've got to come out swinging and they know it. I expect the first Superman scene to be a big "wow" moment.

Superman returns came out with a wow, only problem was they couldnt top that scene, lol.

[DorkyFresh]

so...i've already stated that they might not be calling it a "reboot" but i think that's just entertainment politics. the word "reboot" has become somewhat of a negative term since it's often associated with the word "remake". that's why i think they're not calling it a reboot even though that's essentially what they're doing. no superkid, rumors of Superman showing himself for the first time, etc. when you break it down to simplest terms, it's either a sequel or a reboot....and we know it's not a sequel.........so imo, this is basically a reboot.

[batman44]

^I agree.

[Dark Knight]

This guy certainly makes his case regarding his credibility.

Interesting post below that was posted on the GL Forums:




Originally Posted by MultiPurposePon
Hi guys, I just noticed this thread and thought I'd stop by to expand on the article I posted at CBM; maybe it will shed a bit more light on the issue at hand. Considering how much some of the WB suits keep an eye out for my articles (I've had over 25 pictures and movie details removed from the web), I feel more comfortable sharing this on a messageboard.

It appears the majority of commentators didn't actually read the entire article, so let me repost it here:

Several weeks ago, Warner Bros announced they are planning on fill the gap left by the culmination of the Harry Potter franchise with DC superhero films. With Green Lantern due out in theaters next summer, along with the third installment of Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy and a rebooted Superman film the following year, fans were beginning to wonder how soon it would be before these heroes came together into one ensemble movie. Now we're a few steps closer.

A Justice League of America film has been given the tentative green light by Warner Bros. Though the film is still in it's very, very early stages (no script has been officially worked on, but the basic plot is outlined), actors are quietly being pursued to test for the roles. The big surprise is the current team roster: Green Lantern, The Flash, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Martian Manhunter. That's right, folks, no Superman or Batman; at least not yet. The film will be used to introduce Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Martian Manhunter to general audiences. Both Green Lantern and The Flash movies would have already been released in theaters, so there would be no need to delve into their origins. Either Superman or Batman, or both, could eventually make their way into the script; though at this time the studio is slowly moving forward without their inclusion. Several comics series, including the team's first outing in The Brave and the Bold, have worked quite well without Batman and Superman as a part of the initial team.

With the role of Green Lantern already taken by actor Ryan Reynolds, four slots are waiting to be filled. Can a JLA film meet the expectations of fans, and gain general audience approval, without the inclusion of DC Comics' "big two" heroes? Fans will have to wait and see.

Now that you've read it, you'll see that nowhere in the article does it say that Supes or Bats WON'T be in the film; only that DC/WB are currently (and quietly) looking at their casting and directorial options for JLA outside of those two characters. Since the Batman trilogy is so successful on it's own, and they have high hopes for the Superman one being planned, they are simply fostering the idea that the first JLA movie can work without those two as central characters if for whatever reason they can't be included. Remember, DC does not and will not follow the same strategy of Marvel. That means we should expect several of the JLA members to have their origins explained in the ensemble film (ala New Frontier).

For those of you who believe Martin Campbell issued a statement saying Green Lantern has nothing to do with a future Justice League movie, you're a bit wrong. Here's the actual quote:

There's a lot of talk that this might build up to a "Justice League” movie – does that affect your choices at all?
No, not at all. I think we stand absolutely on our own and we stand as our own superhero, our own story. And a terrific story it is.


There's also a lot of confusion as to the rumor GL2 will begin production before the first hits theaters. Allow me to clarify:

The rumor came from BleedingCool.com, who "appear to have been schmoozing with some of the movie's production crew around the New Orleans bars." This was their statement:

"...the word is that shooting on Green Lantern 2 is scheduled to begin before the first movie is even released.

So confident of a smash are Warner Bros, that they already making big plans to use current shooting location New Orleans as a stand-in for DC’s Coast City in the sequel, which will be announced for either a Summer or Christmas 2012 release, depending on where the Flash movie fits in.

And if the first film does the megabucks they are expecting, then Warners will greenlight a third Green Lantern movie to be shot back to back with the second, for release in 2013. "

From what I know, this is by no means true.

- The first draft script for the sequel is due in November of this year.

- Filming for the sequel will not be green lit until the first film is released internationally.

- Ryan Reynolds is booked up through September of next year at the very earliest. His next projects immediately after GL are The Change-Up, The Croods and R.I.P.D. He's also involved in Motorcade and Most Wanted. Not to mention Deadpool.


Now, in Geoff Johns' last convention interview before SDCC he said that there WOULD be some JLA movie related happenings at SDCC. There was no talk about the film besides the repetitive denial statements. What's curious to me is that one of the DC SDCC exclusives happened to be this item, which was a homage to The Brave and the Bold issue 328; the first assemblage of the JLA:




The other thing I've noticed being questioned is the credibility of this information. Now, I'm not here to convince anyone that my sources are viable, that's for you to individually consider. But for those of you unaware of my scoops, I'd advise you to check out my news feed: http://**************.com/fansites/Poniverse/

In the 9 months I've been contributing to CBM, I've had over 40 exclusives regarding WB comic movies (and at least 15 for Marvel), and not one has proven false; the most important being the official Green Lantern synopsis. I am not **************, and therefore don't feel the need to justify all the information posted there, I'm simply a journalist who contributes to the site.

Hope that helped.

[Showtime]

Do you work for ComicBookFilm or something?

[Rust]

:hehe:

Moe: "Do you work for Bacardi?"

[GreenKToo]

Lol....No way they would have a JL film without the two big heavy hitters. This ain't a toon after all.

[Dark Knight]

Do you work for ComicBookFilm or something?






Me?

Yeah, I get paid to copy and paste potential news stories and info from other sites about the comic book film genre here at the Hype. J/K

:word:

[Young Superman]

I really hope the Nolanverse Kal-El / Clark Kent / Superman is the sole survivor of Krypton.

[GreenKToo]

Lol, its sad when writers are already hired for GL 2 while we sit and wait, and wait, and wait for some superman related news.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/105425-michael-goldenberg-writing-green-lantern-2

[BH/HHH]

Lol, its sad when writers are already hired for GL 2 while we sit and wait, and wait, and wait for some superman related news.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/105425-michael-goldenberg-writing-green-lantern-2

I was just thinking that myself, surely there has to be some Superman movie related news soon.

I really hope the Nolanverse Kal-El / Clark Kent / Superman is the sole survivor of Krypton.

Same here

[FilmNerdJamie]

They're just counting their eggs in case Green Lantern does well. That report from last week saying they'll start filming a sequel before the first hits was so fake.

[BH/HHH]

They're just counting their eggs in case Green Lantern does well. That report from last week saying they'll start filming a sequel before the first hits was so fake.

Yeah I thought that was BS anyway tbh. They wouldn't be that confident before the movie hits theaters.

[solidsnake86]

Lol, its sad when writers are already hired for GL 2 while we sit and wait, and wait, and wait for some superman related news.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/105425-michael-goldenberg-writing-green-lantern-2

We should be hearing something soon though. Well actually i'd imagine we'll hear about batman 3 first since it comes out before. The longer we go without news though either means that Jonah Nolan will be directing, or they haven't found a director yet (but then we should be hearing rumours).

[maenalus]

I was just thinking that myself, surely there has to be some Superman movie related news soon.


There will be.:grin:

[BH/HHH]

There will be.:grin:

There had better be I'm going crazy :D

[dulcetpine]

There had better be I'm going crazy :D

exactly... no news is not good news here.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Chill, folks.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

Chill, folks.
Can we expect to here something....ANYTHING soon?

[maenalus]

I would expect a directer by the end of September.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

I would expect a directer by the end of September.
Hopefully that is true. I would imagine that once the director is officially signed, then things will start to fall into place rather quickly.

[LaraLane]

No major exclusive stories breaking from anywhere. It has been really quiet. I guess that means we do not get to know more until Nolan/WB wants everyone to know.

[MiddleSuperName]

this story sounds untrue. i bet superman wont release at christmas. that is dumb fan who wants the movie out sooner than it can

[MiddleSuperName]

restarttell how he becomes hero this time

[FilmNerdJamie]

Too bad, the CEO of Warner Brothers (http://heatvision.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/05/warner-bros-sets-sherlock-sequel-date-flash-close-to-greenlight.html) said it's hitting Christmas 2012.

Meyer particularly highlighted that DC Comics characters are key parts of Warner's future, mentioning a July 20, 2012 release date for the latest "Batman" film by Christopher Nolan and a holiday season 2012 "Superman" film.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's not worth it Jamie.

[Dark_Lord]

MiddleSuperName has been resurrecting every old thread he/she can find.

[Timstuff]

This news is awesome, and it seems to affirm what my suspicion has been the whole time. This timeline seems to make perfect sense to me:

Batman Begins - Batman emerges as the first costumed hero
The Dark Knight - his campaign against crime in his city continues
The Green Lantern - Hal Jordan joins the GL Corps. Most of his activities occur in space, and earth remains largely unaware of alien life.
Batman 3
The Man of Steel - Superman emerges as a protector for humanity, and in particular the very troubled city of Metropolis
The Flash
Green Lantern 2
Superman 2
Wonder Woman
Justice League

[Polux]

By the time a JL movie gets into production Bale would be too old to play Batman. He is aging pretty quick and a potential JL film is at least 5 years away.

Look for recent Christian Bale pictures, dude´s looking good...

I dunno if it was intentional to make him look "tired" in some scenes in TDK (if you think about it, it makes perfect sense) or if it was because of his weight lose for "Rescue Dawn", but for the time he was shooting Terminator Salvation or the premier for TDK the guy looked a lot younger/healthier; I just saw some pictures of him with his family after shooting "The Fighter" (again, loosing a lot of weight) and the guy´s looking really good, sporting longer hair and looking pretty much like in his BB days; in the worst case escenario, Bale looks his age, but I think he looks pretty early thirties; also, make up in Hollywood can do wonders.

Why do I bring this, you may ask ? Well, only considering the characters age´s in this proposed chronology :

- In BB, Bruce turns 30, and TDK happens less than a year after that, so depending on how much time happens in between TDK and the next one, Bruce could very wel be 31/32 (and Bale can damn well look that).
- Ryan Reynolds is 33/32, and I´d asume Hal is the same age (how many test pilots under 30 you think there are ?)
- According to Nolan, the next Superman is someone "who´s been around" or something like that, so I gues they will go for an actor in his late 20s/early 30s, for the character to be at least 30, to match with Hal and Bruce (I think at least they 3 should be the same age, with Flash being a tad younger and Aquaman being a little older).

Just my two cents.

Polux

[GreenKToo]

MiddleSuperName has been resurrecting every old thread he/she can find.
20 bucks says its a banned member.:oldrazz:

[GreenKToo]

(rubs chin) I wonder which banned member you are.

[BobJM]

By the time a JL movie gets into production Bale would be too old to play Batman. He is aging pretty quick and a potential JL film is at least 5 years away.

wouldn't that be kind of the point though? he cant handle it himself so he turns to the other heroes.

[\S/]

The age of the actor or the character's assumed age isn't going to matter. This isn't the comics so therefore there are no rules on what ages the actors or characters need to be at what time. WB/DC is creating their own film continuity here.

So does your pronouncement mean we can no longer discuss this particular aspect of the future films?

\S/

[Showtime]

So does your pronouncement mean we can no longer discuss this particular aspect of the future films?

\S/

It means whatever you want it to mean.

[LaraLane]

It means whatever you want it to mean.

It means he does not like you, and you do not like him. You should just ignore eachother or have some drinks. lol

[gdw]

IF (see, that's a big 'if') this is true, it would be interesting having a completely NORMAL human starting the trend that leads to mostly super powered heroes.

[batlovescatDC]

I have to say it really concerns me that there hasn't even been a start date announced for TMOS or anything what-so-ever. It makes my doubts come back up that we will not be getting a Superman film for 2012 after all.

[dark_b]

they need to make a movie. they have problems with the rights.

[GreenKToo]

I have to say it really concerns me that there hasn't even been a start date announced for TMOS or anything what-so-ever. It makes my doubts come back up that we will not be getting a Superman film for 2012 after all.
That thought has been creeping into my mind as well.

[JackMercy]

I have to say it really concerns me that there hasn't even been a start date announced for TMOS or anything what-so-ever. It makes my doubts come back up that we will not be getting a Superman film for 2012 after all.

Well, a start date for "Untitled 3rd Batman film" hasn't technically been announced either, so...

Be patient...it's early.

:word:

[solidsnake86]

I thought they would at least wait until Nolan was done with inception and is premiere, now I don't know what happens internationally but I think they go to more then one premiere. It would make sense to wait until that's finished so that Nolan won't get bombarded with more questions then he already gets. I think inception has almost opened everywhere, not to mention it's done really well. I really think in the next few weeks we will hear about batman and sometime after superman news.

[Man of Tomorrow]

So any truth behind this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4xtmgZF5UQ

[Showtime]

:dry:

[Man of Tomorrow]

Well you seemed to be conversing with MultiPurposePen/aka **************.... so I wondered..

[BH/HHH]

So any truth behind this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4xtmgZF5UQ


I hope thats not true

[Showtime]

Well you seemed to be conversing with MultiPurposePen/aka **************.... so I wondered..

You're out.

[Lighthouse]

So any truth behind this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4xtmgZF5UQ

Thats.........strange.

[Ita-KalEl]

So any truth behind this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4xtmgZF5UQ

The girl is nice

[LaraLane]

I hope thats not true

Someone fed them some false info. Superman and Batman are they story point for the JL being established. There simply is not a way to do the story without them properly.

[GreenKToo]

Sure there can make it without supes and bats.....nevermind that it'll flop faster than a fish out of water. What would be funny, is watching the suits scratching their heads wondering WHY it failed.

[MiddleSuperName]

ha ha green that is too true. they would be like "i really didn't think leaving out superman and batman would upset fans"

[Lighthouse]

Sure there can make it without supes and bats.....nevermind that it'll flop faster than a fish out of water. What would be funny, is watching the suits scratching their heads wondering WHY it failed.

Why would it flop without Batman or Superman? It may make more money with them in it, but I think a JL movie without Batman or Superman could still be pretty successful.

ha ha green that is too true. they would be like "i really didn't think leaving out superman and batman would upset fans"

I don't think it really matters if fans are upset.

[Kokomo29]

I don't think it really matters if fans are upset.

Really? Why on Earth would the studio NOT care about what fans think? Logically, they are gonna wanna appeal to some aspect of the fanbase so that they ensure that they make money. If fans don't want to see a movie, then the exec get NO money...

[El Payaso]

Really? Why on Earth would the studio NOT care about what fans think? Logically, they are gonna wanna appeal to some aspect of the fanbase so that they ensure that they make money. If fans don't want to see a movie, then the exec get NO money...

You mean that 80% of population are comic fans?

[GreenKToo]

What I meant was, the public KNOWS who Batman and Superman are, and will soon know who GL is, BUT, I'd bet most won't know, or care, who the others are.
It might as well be watchmen up there as for as the public's concerned without Supes and Bats in it.
Sure, it would prolly make ''some'' profit without em', SR made some profit too, but I doubt it would make near what they had hoped or expected. I just don't think they would risk it without supes and bats. all MHO

EDITED to add. To me, it would be like Marvel taking I.M. and Thor out of the Avengers, replacing them with some lesser known heroes, and then hoping Cap could carry the film....crazy? well......

[Sawyer]

z5DMCd7hv1w
If the reboot can give us a teaser that is that awesome AND a movie that actually delivers, I'll be happy.

[GreenKToo]

The cut RTK scene still chaps my a$$....oh well.

[Sawyer]

Rtk?

[TheWatcher]

^When that first came out I got chills. Sadly,I was let down. :(

[Sawyer]

^When that first came out I got chills. Sadly,I was let down. :(

Same. I was beyond pumped when that trailer premiered.

[GreenKToo]

Rtk?
return to krypton..the whole scene that was filmed, was cut.

[Sawyer]

Oh, right.

[GreenKToo]

yeah, they showed it in the teaser. they also showed a young Clark looking at the ship he arrived in...that was cut as well.

[Sawyer]

Eh. I doubt either of those would've made the movie much more enjoyable.

[TheWatcher]

Same. I was beyond pumped when that trailer premiered.
I was so excited. It had so much potential. But it was ruined by Superbaby and no action.

[MiddleSuperName]

singer should make all footage available and let some fan edits happen. surely with tweaking of colors, better editing, making luthor responsible, it could be better

[Sawyer]

I was so excited. It had so much potential. But it was ruined by Superbaby and no action.

People tend to scapegoat Jason for the movie's failure, but he was really only the tip of the iceberg, as far as I'm concerned.

[misjuevos]

real question should be long hair or short hair superman,lol

[TheWatcher]

People tend to scapegoat Jason for the movie's failure, but he was really only the tip of the iceberg, as far as I'm concerned.
True. The Donner obsession came into play a lot more. Also the uninteresting Lex Luthor and gang. The action thing was the worst part IMO.

[GreenKToo]

Eh. I doubt either of those would've made the movie much more enjoyable.
Oh I agree, I don't think they would have helped a whole lot either, but it could have been slightly better to replace the Luthor scene at the start ( ya know, the one with him swindling the old lady outta her money) with the RTK scene.
I never really got a sense that supes was gone for very long myself. Also, Lex was the cause of supes leaving in the first place. That coulda added a bit to the character of Lex if it had been shown.

Oh well, I hope this time we ALL get a film we like, instead of just a few of us, or half of us.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Eh. I doubt either of those would've made the movie much more enjoyable.
I have to disagree if you ever read Superman Returns: The shooting script (everything in that book was shot for the movie) you would see a whole different movie. Then the one we did get. Most of it was cut because of timing but the movie was on par with story wise with X2 or IMO the Dark Knight just with less action but I think peoples reaction to the movie would have been much different if they didn't cut the movie. Without it being cut it really does become more of a Singer film then an homage to Donner.

[smooth3006]

i guess i was one of the few that enjoyed the movie soo much i went to the show 3x to see it. i also remember that trailer being attached to the season finale of smallville, i was soo hyped! :super:

im getting very tired of waiting for superman news, they need to throw us a bone soon. don't they loose the rights pretty soon? oh well at least i have the smallville final season to tide me over until i hear movie news.

[Kokomo29]

I was looking at concept art for SUPERMAN: FLYBY last night and then decided to read the script for it. As much as it would have made some fans kind of upset, I think it could have been a fun movie. SUPERMAN RETURNS was kind of a letdown for me and I really hope that we get some news... ANY news on the new movie soon.

[TheWatcher]

^Link for the concept art?

[Showtime]

The girl is nice

Which is the only reason I continued watching...

:hrt:

[Asgard]

Has there been any news on whether Superman will be established in Metropolis or if he hasnt gone public yet?

[KalMart]

singer should make all footage available and let some fan edits happen. surely with tweaking of colors, better editing, making luthor responsible, it could be better

Why not allow it with all movies, while we're at it? :oldrazz: Better yet...equip all theater seats with buttons so that the audience can decide by majority vote how the movie should continue? :D

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Why not allow it with all movies, while we're at it? :oldrazz: Better yet...equip all theater seats with buttons so that the audience can decide by majority vote how the movie should continue? :DI love what Matt says in your sig! lol

Also, I agree with your sentiment.

[KalMart]

Forgot to add that they'll also include an additional screening for those who got 'voted out' of the first one. Heh. ;)

[Kokomo29]

^Link for the concept art?

:yay: Here ya go: http://www.grnr.com/gallery.php

Drag down the menu on the right and select SUPERMAN. There is some awesome concept art of Krypton!

[KalMart]

By the way.....

"WB Superman Reboot 3.0"

What are we considering "2.0", the Burton/McG/Ratner/etc versions that never made it to production? Because SR certainly wasn't a reboot.

[TheWatcher]

:yay: Here ya go: http://www.grnr.com/gallery.php

Drag down the menu on the right and select SUPERMAN. There is some awesome concept art of Krypton!
Thanks!

[solidsnake86]

Has there been any news on whether Superman will be established in Metropolis or if he hasnt gone public yet?

As of the latino review article I think they said he was established already. Mostly I would just like to hear more story details because that is what is going to make or break this movie.

[super-t]

They're calling it Reboot 3.0 bc....Superman 78 was number 1, Returns was number 2 and this will be number 3

[Gamma Goliath]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/111/1112807p1.html

Idk if its been posted yet.

[Gamma Goliath]

Double post.

[KalMart]

They're calling it Reboot 3.0 bc....Superman 78 was number 1, Returns was number 2 and this will be number 3

SR wasn't really a reboot though...more of a rehashed continuation of STM et al. So we're really only up to version 2 at this point.

[super-t]

SR wasn't really a reboot though...more of a rehashed continuation of STM et al. So we're really only up to version 2 at this point.

I see your point lol....but IMO Returns was still an "attemp" to kickstart the franchise which would have been attempt number 2 that actually made it to the big screen....make sense?

[KalMart]

I see your point lol....but IMO Returns was still an "attemp" to kickstart the franchise which would have been attempt number 2 that actually made it to the big screen....make sense?

It was more like an attempt to resuscitate a version number 1 that had long since had its day. :oldrazz: Maybe we could call this version 2.1 beta. ;)

[super-t]

2.5 and we're even!!! :highfive:

[GreenKToo]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/111/1112807p1.html

Idk if its been posted yet.
I dont think it would put the reboot in jeopardy *IF* they would hurry up and get it started.
With that said, the longer we go without hearing anything, the more i'm starting to doubt....:dry:

[Gamma Goliath]

Me too.

[Kal-El Fan]

I have to disagree if you ever read Superman Returns: The shooting script (everything in that book was shot for the movie) you would see a whole different movie. Then the one we did get. Most of it was cut because of timing but the movie was on par with story wise with X2 or IMO the Dark Knight just with less action but I think peoples reaction to the movie would have been much different if they didn't cut the movie. Without it being cut it really does become more of a Singer film then an homage to Donner.
I've always said that the actual film was left on the cutting room floor.

[ChickenScratch]

Anybody knows if all this awsome left out of the movie shows up in the novelization?

[Kal-El Fan]

Anybody knows if all this awsome left out of the movie shows up in the novelization?
I think some of it does, particularly the RTK scene and Lex's involvement with that. I haven't read it myself yet though. It's still on the list.

[KalMart]

I've always said that the actual film was left on the cutting room floor.

Well then, you've always been confused, heh..:oldrazz::woot: Honestly, what we got was the actual film....what was left out was the unnecessary stuff as deemed by the director during editing, just like it is with a lot of movies. SR didn't really have anything happen to it more drastically than any other movie. If it wasn't good, it's because it just wasn't good as a whole, not because certain scenes didn't make the cut.

[Kal-El Fan]

Well then, you've always been confused, heh..:oldrazz::woot: Honestly, what we got was the actual film....what was left out was the unnecessary stuff as deemed by the director during editing, just like it is with a lot of movies. SR didn't really have anything happen to it more drastically than any other movie. If it wasn't good, it's because it just wasn't good as a whole, not because certain scenes didn't make the cut.
This is true, however it is not unusual to disagree with the choices a director makes. I feel there are major pieces of the plot/subplot that were left out that could have really improved the narrative. However, we risk going WAAAAY off topic with this conversation so I guess we'll leave it at that for now. :cwink:

[maenalus]

I dont think it would put the reboot in jeopardy *IF* they would hurry up and get it started.
With that said, the longer we go without hearing anything, the more i'm starting to doubt....:dry:

Well, if they don't announce a director before the end of the year, then I'll start to have some doubt the movie will happen.

[KalMart]

This is true, however it is not unusual to disagree with the choices a director makes. I feel there are major pieces of the plot/subplot that were left out that could have really improved the narrative. However, we risk going WAAAAY off topic with this conversation so I guess we'll leave it at that for now. :cwink:
Also keep in mind that you're only judging it by what you've seen....which is mainly the finished piece and jut a few snippets of deleted stuff. You're not seeing the entire process of his work and decision-making because you're not there doing the work with him. And despite its shortcomings, it's still very likely that the movie you saw is still fully addresses the story he wanted to tell, and not some arbitrarily finished piece with what they had left after cutting. It's the best complete piece that he felt he could present with what they had...and to get to that point, sometimes you have to leave stuff out. If you had major problems with the narrative, I think the best way to look at it is that you might like an entirely different story altogether (that's more or less how I feel about it)....and that wouldn't really have been achieved by the inclusion of the RTK stuff, or other snippets. Those were still filmed for the purposes of that story, and in the end, they weren't really necessary and took up valuable space....hence, the cutting. :yay: That's part of the process on any film, and when it comes down to it, his business only, and those who did it with him....even if viewers see them as bonus material or what have you.

[XxDelta09xX]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/111/1112807p1.html

Idk if its been posted yet.

If this happens will never get a Superman movie.:csad:

[gdw]

Also keep in mind that you're only judging it by what you've seen....which is mainly the finished piece and jut a few snippets of deleted stuff. You're not seeing the entire process of his work and decision-making because you're not there doing the work with him. And despite its shortcomings, it's still very likely that the movie you saw is still fully addresses the story he wanted to tell, and not some arbitrarily finished piece with what they had left after cutting. It's the best complete piece that he felt he could present with what they had...and to get to that point, sometimes you have to leave stuff out. If you had major problems with the narrative, I think the best way to look at it is that you might like an entirely different story altogether (that's more or less how I feel about it)....and that wouldn't really have been achieved by the inclusion of the RTK stuff, or other snippets. Those were still filmed for the purposes of that story, and in the end, they weren't really necessary and took up valuable space....hence, the cutting. :yay: That's part of the process on any film, and when it comes down to it, his business only, and those who did it with him....even if viewers see them as bonus material or what have you.

Um, given that this is all we are supposed to see in the end, what else SHOULD we be judging it by?

[KalMart]

Um, given that this is all we are supposed to see in the end, what else SHOULD we be judging it by?

Umm...certainly not what allegedly went on during the editing process based on what we think was cut out for whatever reason....which is an unfortunate by-product of the increase in 'behind the scenes' material et al over the years.

[Blackman]

was that poll always there?

[KalMart]

It's missing:

- Do the origin in a sequel if the first film is really good, and tie it into the sequels current plot through flashbacks, etc.

[Blackman]

It's missing:

- Do the origin in a sequel if the first film is really good, and tie it into the sequels current plot through flashbacks, etc.
I love ya Kal Mart but, if I understand it right...thats a beyond bad idea

[KalMart]

I love ya Kal Mart but, if I understand it right...thats a beyond bad idea

Why? It worked for Godfather II. :O

Seriously though, we don't need to redo Supes' origin again right off the bat...the new movie needs to establish the superhero part of Superman as being interesting again in a contemporary way. Once that's reestablished, then it gives them even more creative license to expand on his origins, and even the pre-history on Krypton with Jor-El, etc., instead of just shoehorning it in out of necessity. Kinda' like with Wolverine, introduce him as a mystery to the people around him and concentrate more on the phenomenon of him being what he is at first, and do everything to make that new and exciting. I think Superman, more than any other character, is in need of that these days. Superman being Superman the superhero is what's grown old and boring, and what needs the updating, not his life on the farm as young Clark or what have you. Reintroduce the 'now' part of it with a big bang....then you'll naturally have more people interested in finding out more about his background etc., so you can build around that more deeply.

[Sam]

http://movies.ign.com/articles/111/1112807p1.html

Idk if its been posted yet.

Hrm...

Its better i keep my mouth shut on this subject.

[romeogbs19]

If this happens will never get a Superman movie.:csad:

There's a lot of misinformation going around about the lawsuit issue. The copyright suit does NOT affect Nolan's film. Superman is slated for a December 2012 release, and it's using the license while DC/WB still have it so even when the copyright to Action Comics #1 reverts to the Siegel Estate, the new movie will NOT be affected.

DC/WB are fighting to make sure they can retain the license without paying the Estate a whole lot more money in 2013 (or potentially losing Superman in an auction by the Estate).

Bottomline: As long as the Nolan film starts pre-production by next year and releases the flick in 2012, that particular film won't be harmed in any way by the copyright dispute. This also means the Nolans can use ANYTHING they want for the film; nothing is off limits.

As for the future, however, that's a big question mark. The Nolan film is supposed to be a standalone. There might be a hint to a sequel (like in Batman Begins) but that's about as far it'll go, since there's no telling what might happen.

The likely scenario will be that the copyright reverts back to the Estate and WB/DC pay the Estate a lot of money to get it back (and that's a good thing actually because companies that pay more for licenses need to use them to capitalize; in other words, the fact that WB/DC may pay huge sums to keep Superman will make it even more likely that there will be much more Superman related material).

I've explained in other threads why no one but the WB/DC would really want to buy the rights. The derivative copyrights WB/DC own would make the Superman license a mess should another studio beat them out. It's possible but very very unlikely. You might see Disney/Marvel take a crack at buying out the character but then that raises the question of the Shuster copyright in Superman.

Sadly, after Nolan's 2012 film, Superman might go from being stuck in pre-production hell to legal quagmire; I assure you the latter is much much worse and given the money at stake, we should plan on treating Nolan's film as one of the last times we'll ever see Superman for a long, long time.

[Blackman]

But cant they not use Luthor and Lois if it pertains to Action Comics #1

[Kal-El Fan]

Luthor didn't show up until much later. Action #1 is limited to Superman, Clark Kent, his adoptive parents (not sure about their first names), that fact that he is from Krypton and Jor-L and Lora. Everything else came later or the names were changed, i.e. the heirs own the Daily Star, not the Daily Planet and George Taylor and not Perry White.

[RachelDawes]

Sadly, after Nolan's 2012 film, Superman might go from being stuck in pre-production hell to legal quagmire; I assure you the latter is much much worse and given the money at stake, we should plan on treating Nolan's film as one of the last times we'll ever see Superman for a long, long time.

:csad:

Stupid legal battle. Why did this have to happen to Superman? :cmad:

[El Payaso]

:csad:

Stupid legal battle. Why did this have to happen to Superman? :cmad:

Because they screwed Siegel and Shuster big big time.

[Alonsovich]

Because they screwed Siegel and Shuster big big time.

And their lawyer wanted more money from the comic book right goldmine...

[matrix_ghost]

There's a lot of misinformation going around about the lawsuit issue. The copyright suit does NOT affect Nolan's film. Superman is slated for a December 2012 release, and it's using the license while DC/WB still have it so even when the copyright to Action Comics #1 reverts to the Siegel Estate, the new movie will NOT be affected.

DC/WB are fighting to make sure they can retain the license without paying the Estate a whole lot more money in 2013 (or potentially losing Superman in an auction by the Estate).

Bottomline: As long as the Nolan film starts pre-production by next year and releases the flick in 2012, that particular film won't be harmed in any way by the copyright dispute. This also means the Nolans can use ANYTHING they want for the film; nothing is off limits.

As for the future, however, that's a big question mark. The Nolan film is supposed to be a standalone. There might be a hint to a sequel (like in Batman Begins) but that's about as far it'll go, since there's no telling what might happen.

The likely scenario will be that the copyright reverts back to the Estate and WB/DC pay the Estate a lot of money to get it back (and that's a good thing actually because companies that pay more for licenses need to use them to capitalize; in other words, the fact that WB/DC may pay huge sums to keep Superman will make it even more likely that there will be much more Superman related material).

I've explained in other threads why no one but the WB/DC would really want to buy the rights. The derivative copyrights WB/DC own would make the Superman license a mess should another studio beat them out. It's possible but very very unlikely. You might see Disney/Marvel take a crack at buying out the character but then that raises the question of the Shuster copyright in Superman.

Sadly, after Nolan's 2012 film, Superman might go from being stuck in pre-production hell to legal quagmire; I assure you the latter is much much worse and given the money at stake, we should plan on treating Nolan's film as one of the last times we'll ever see Superman for a long, long time.


I know that after oct 2013 , the heirs get certain rights related to the superman world such use of Luthor , the kents , the farm etc. If any of these are used for a future superman movie , the heirs must first give their permission right ?

So what the Nolan reboot is essentially a JLA set up and for future sequels WB essentually has Superman in space along with the JLA. Can that happen ?

[Octoberist]

Money talks.

[KalMart]

There's a lot of misinformation going around about the lawsuit issue. The copyright suit does NOT affect Nolan's film. Superman is slated for a December 2012 release, and it's using the license while DC/WB still have it so even when the copyright to Action Comics #1 reverts to the Siegel Estate, the new movie will NOT be affected.

DC/WB are fighting to make sure they can retain the license without paying the Estate a whole lot more money in 2013 (or potentially losing Superman in an auction by the Estate).

Bottomline: As long as the Nolan film starts pre-production by next year and releases the flick in 2012, that particular film won't be harmed in any way by the copyright dispute. This also means the Nolans can use ANYTHING they want for the film; nothing is off limits.

As for the future, however, that's a big question mark. The Nolan film is supposed to be a standalone. There might be a hint to a sequel (like in Batman Begins) but that's about as far it'll go, since there's no telling what might happen.

The likely scenario will be that the copyright reverts back to the Estate and WB/DC pay the Estate a lot of money to get it back (and that's a good thing actually because companies that pay more for licenses need to use them to capitalize; in other words, the fact that WB/DC may pay huge sums to keep Superman will make it even more likely that there will be much more Superman related material).

I've explained in other threads why no one but the WB/DC would really want to buy the rights. The derivative copyrights WB/DC own would make the Superman license a mess should another studio beat them out. It's possible but very very unlikely. You might see Disney/Marvel take a crack at buying out the character but then that raises the question of the Shuster copyright in Superman.

Sadly, after Nolan's 2012 film, Superman might go from being stuck in pre-production hell to legal quagmire; I assure you the latter is much much worse and given the money at stake, we should plan on treating Nolan's film as one of the last times we'll ever see Superman for a long, long time.

How about if WB loses the rights to Superman....then just wait things out for a while? Because the S&S heirs won't be able to do anything with the rights, and no-one else will buy them. Disney/Marvel could be the only ones, but they don't really need Superman, and they don't have a whole history/staff of DC writers that handle Supes/justice League/Superboy/other related stuff. And it's not like the heirs have the wherewithal to start their own publishing and distribution company either.

So when it comes down to it...the heirs will have won a property that's of no use to them but to sell it....and now they have no buyers, no way of doing anything with it themselves, and years worth of legal fees yet to be paid off. That's when WB can swoop back in and offer to buy it back for nickels on the dollar...complete, and all theirs with no strings or royalties attached...or no deal. True, WB would lose Superman and potential millions....but they have a lot of other characters and properties to fall back on, whereas the heirs may have nothing. So maybe WB can just wait until the heirs are desperate to sell something...anything..to put food on the table, and buy it back for a song. Might be worth the wait for them....since they're better equipped to survive a war of attrition in this case.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Because they screwed Siegel and Shuster big big time.People get screwed all the time look at Bill Finger (the real man behind Batman). Yes it was sad what happened to them but they made the deal when they were desperate. IMO that should be the end of it. DC should have to pay them money for creating Superman but the family should not have ownership of Superman. They should only be credited as they are getting now and get paid some money.

[solidsnake86]

I know that after oct 2013 , the heirs get certain rights related to the superman world such use of Luthor , the kents , the farm etc. If any of these are used for a future superman movie , the heirs must first give their permission right ?

So what the Nolan reboot is essentially a JLA set up and for future sequels WB essentually has Superman in space along with the JLA. Can that happen ?

I think WB owns luthor, actually wb owns pretty much everything except for what romeogbs19 explained. The siegels can't really do anything with there portion and this is why its coming down to money because everytime wb uses something from action comics 1, they want to be compensated for it. At the end of the day its a benefit for both of them to settle, WB is just trying to make sure they aren't getting too much because its cutting into there bottom line.

[supermanology]

Superman Heirs' Lawyer Hits DC Comics with SLAPP

By Rick DeMott (http://www.awn.com/users/rdemott) | Monday, August 16, 2010 at 10:34 am



On Friday, Marc Toberoff, the attorney representing heirs of SUPERMAN co-creators in their copyright battle with DC Comics, has filed a motion to have a lawsuit filed against him by DC thrown out, reports VARIETY (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118022947.html). He is using California's anti-SLAPP laws, which bar the use of legal claims to intimidate the opposition in court, as the basis for the dismissal.

Previous court rulings in 2008 and 2009 have given substantial rights back to co-creator Jerome Siegel and Joseph Shuster's heirs starting in 2013.

DC claims that Toberoff compensation for his legal services create a conflict of interest in DC Comics making agreements with the heirs for the property. As part of his arrangement, Toberoff will control 47.5% of the rights with the Siegel heirs holding 27.5% and the Shusters' 25%. In the suit, DC presented unsigned documents from Toberoff's law firm laying out his plan to obtain as much of the copyright for himself as he could. Toberoff claims those documents were stolen.

This lawsuit gets more crazy with each passing day.

(from Animation World network website)

[GreenKToo]

whoa...looks like the attorney is trying to steal half the rights.

[Alonsovich]

whoa...looks like the attorney is trying to steal half the rights.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=18766014&postcount=6967

And I'm pretty sure he did get percentages of the other character creators he "defended"... this Toberoff is nothing else than a crook lawyer that saw a gold mine in "defending" supposed creator rights as a way of getting payed substantial money royalties per month so that he doesn't ever have to make a pension plan. That's why WB sued him. This lawyer is out for the $$$. Anybody thinks this is for the Siegels still? Because this guy is blatantly STEALING them half of it to make himself golden.

[RachelDawes]

Because they screwed Siegel and Shuster big big time.

How were they screwed?

[KalMart]

Slow and hard.

[Superman Prime]

I didn't see a condom anywhere either.

[Octoberist]

the problem was that the deal was made several generations ago. No one now was there was the deal was being made so it's a hard call besides the legal docs.

[Blackman]

Why? It worked for Godfather II. :O

Seriously though, we don't need to redo Supes' origin again right off the bat...the new movie needs to establish the superhero part of Superman as being interesting again in a contemporary way. Once that's reestablished, then it gives them even more creative license to expand on his origins, and even the pre-history on Krypton with Jor-El, etc., instead of just shoehorning it in out of necessity. Kinda' like with Wolverine, introduce him as a mystery to the people around him and concentrate more on the phenomenon of him being what he is at first, and do everything to make that new and exciting. I think Superman, more than any other character, is in need of that these days. Superman being Superman the superhero is what's grown old and boring, and what needs the updating, not his life on the farm as young Clark or what have you. Reintroduce the 'now' part of it with a big bang....then you'll naturally have more people interested in finding out more about his background etc., so you can build around that more deeply.
IDK I think they should at least show his origins in flashbacks in the first film. I was thinking they should do it more linear, but then I figured everyone's complaint about "getting to the action" would come true

[KalMart]

IDK I think they should at least show his origins in flashbacks in the first film. I was thinking they should do it more linear, but then I figured everyone's complaint about "getting to the action" would come true

I think that Superman, being the oldest of old-hat, is ripe for a newer approach than the bog-standard origin in the first film.

[Blackman]

I dont see how moving the origin to the 2nd film is any more fresh than putting it in the first film
All the stuff you talk about: Focusing on the phenom that is Superman, introducing him as a mystery*, making Superman more new and exciting, etc. could just as easily be told if the origin was in the first film



Did you mean introduce him as a mystery to the film viewers or mystery to the people of Metropolis

[Rust]

How about having an origin that just throws you into the thick of the action and boasting with Star Wars-like imagery. Like the opening of Revenge Of The Sith. A Krypton at war. Brainiac-style. That's why Kal-El gets sent off. But we dont see Brainiac at first. Not until Supes learn that it was in fact him, and not a dying sun, that ultimately destroyed Krypton.

[maenalus]

They should, and word is they will, approach it like a standard James Bond movie. Just get right on with the story like everyone knows who Superman is (because they do).

[KalMart]

I dont see how moving the origin to the 2nd film is any more fresh than putting it in the first film
All the stuff you talk about: Focusing on the phenom that is Superman, introducing him as a mystery*, making Superman more new and exciting, etc. could just as easily be told if the origin was in the first film
Because if you tie it in with the current plot of the second film, it's not just an 'origin'. It's interweaved as a parallel storyline throughout, converging in an overall resolution...instead of one being done in the first half of act 1. Just as a loose example...imagine the second film being with Braniac, so we tie what Braniac is doing on earth to what he did on Krypton, how he was involved with Jor-El, maybe even contributing to the Kryptonians not foreseeing their doom, and how a piece of his AI came along to Earth on Kal-El's ship, or what have you. And we find out more about Braniac both through the eyes of Jor-El on Krypton, as well as Superman on Earth...paralleling their paths of discovery, with Superman finally being victorious.

A big part of the mystery in the first installment will be the audience at least somewhat in the shoes of the people in the film...not knowing where he comes from or how he became what he is, even though we'll eventually see that he's also Clark Kent. The first story can concentrate on the here and now, the sudden appearance of something unexplainable, and his making a name for himself in Metropolis. The second can span both the now and the past, and take more creative license and screentime doing it once the first film has reestablished the interest in Superman the superhero.

Did you mean introduce him as a mystery to the film viewers or mystery to the people of Metropolis
Both, as much as possible, as I referred to above.

[Blackman]

Because if you tie it in with the current plot of the second film, it's not just an 'origin'. It's interweaved as a parallel storyline throughout, converging in an overall resolution...instead of one being done in the first half of act 1. Just as a loose example...imagine the second film being with Braniac, so we tie what Braniac is doing on earth to what he did on Krypton, how he was involved with Jor-El, maybe even contributing to the Kryptonians not foreseeing their doom, and how a piece of his AI came along to Earth on Kal-El's ship, or what have you. And we find out more about Braniac both through the eyes of Jor-El on Krypton, as well as Superman on Earth...paralleling their paths of discovery, with Superman finally being victorious.

A big part of the mystery in the first installment will be the audience at least somewhat in the shoes of the people in the film...not knowing where he comes from or how he became what he is, even though we'll eventually see that he's also Clark Kent. The first story can concentrate on the here and now, the sudden appearance of something unexplainable, and his making a name for himself in Metropolis. The second can span both the now and the past, and take more creative license and screentime doing it once the first film has reestablished the interest in Superman the superhero.


Both, as much as possible, as I referred to above.
I hardly think any audience member will feel mystery. I mean come on, It's Superman. The only people who will find Superman really mysterious is probably newborns.

You can still have Superman be a mystery to the people of Metropolis in a first film thats an origin. Hell I think Superman would be a mystery to Metropolis for a whole film series

And I still say that you can use your Brainiac/Jor El idea in a first film. Its a really good idea. That basically the idea I had earlier. People have had similar ideas to that since STAS. But still I dont see a reason why it would be better in 2nd film rather than a first.

You can have a bad ass villain, have Superman be a mystery, have good fight scenes, have Superman reintroduced with having an origin film first

[KalMart]

I hardly think any audience member will feel mystery. I mean come on, It's Superman. The only people who will find Superman really mysterious is probably newborns.
If that's the case...all the more reason not to do an origin at all....since it would be redundant and take up more time that could be used for current action/storytelling. And yeah, you can make the audience part of the mystery the more you put them in the shoes of those in the story that know less. Horror films use that technique all the time (in that case, for terror), even though we know there's a killer out there..and even if we know who it is at times. A film like Superman can use it for the purposes of wonder/awe. It's the perspective you adopt as you put together a story.

You can still have Superman be a mystery to the people of Metropolis in a first film thats an origin. Hell I think Superman would be a mystery to Metropolis for a whole film series

Like I said, the first film is his 'origin' from the moment he first arrives in Metropolis (before anyone's even heard of him) onwards, if you want to word it that way. Krypton, growing up on the farm ,etc...not in the first film. Devote the entire first film to the introduction of Superman to Metropolis and the world as Superman the superhero...then as we move along, we'll find out more about his past and prehistory.

And I still say that you can use your Brainiac/Jor El idea in a first film. Its a really good idea. That basically the idea I had earlier. People have had similar ideas to that since STAS. But still I dont see a reason why it would be better in 2nd film rather than a first.

You can have a bad ass villain, have Superman be a mystery, have good fight scenes, have Superman reintroduced with having an origin film first

What's so vital about having the 'origin' as you're thinking of it, in the first film anyway, though? Why do it the same way every other Superhero movie, Supes included already, has done it?

Basically, I think you're having trouble grasping what this approach is like. It is a little more 'out there' than your bog-standard straight chronology. But suffice to say, if done well, it can have the added benefit of being more unique in its approach and standing out from the rest that much more. And since it's Superman in particular...whose familiarity and long tenure has become a crutch...it stands to benefit from going outside-the-box the most.

Moving the origin to the second film is a win-win in that it leaves more time in the first film for the current plot, and allows it to spread its wings more as an integral part of the second plot throughout that film. You can get more meat out of the origin part in a second installment rather than having to get it out of the way in the first one. It's just a different order than one might be used to...starting with the wonder/awe of the 'finished product', then moving into identifying with/building the hero...where he came from, what makes him what he is. Combine the benefits of both a prequel and a sequel for the second film. Used to your advantage, it can be even more effective than the standard approach....a more creative and involving way of telling the actual story and playing with time, along with presenting more exciting story elements. Superman, more than any other character, needs that extra effort.

And it's also not a case of 'saving the best for later' either, because the first film still has a huge task of updating the appeal of Superman AS Superman in an new/contemporary way. You could still have super-villains, etc., and spread it out over the full running time to get the most out of that, instead of already having a quarter of your movie gone before it even starts.

[GreenKToo]

I know how I would like to see it ( the origin). Have Superman already established when the film opens.
After a few routine stops and saves here and there ( bankrobberies, building fires, etc) Brainiac arrives.
Supes has never faced a villain as powerful as this, and he never has used his full power level before, he has never had a reason to. Brainiac is here to assimilate the Earth. He totally ignores the military and the people on the earth, they are but insects to him.

Epic fight ensues. Brainiac has knocked Supes through countless buildings and cars. The blows are actually making Superman bleed and his suit is damaged. He's stunned.

He tries to fight back, but Brainiac is on him before he can do much.
Finally, after one powerful blow to the head, Supes goes down, but not before delivering a powerful blow of his own that stuns Brainiac and knocks him back a hundred feet or so..

Brainiac recovers and walks back to supes, grabs him by the suit, and starts punching him at superspeed. First, dozens of blows, then hundreds of them blast superman in the face. After a min or two of this, Superman drifts off to unconciousness.

Thats when we see the origin, in Flashback, from supes perspective, ie, krypton, smallville, him learning his powers for the first time, jonathan teaching him right from wrong, Metropolis, etc etc.
The speech by Jonathan is what inspires Superman to come back, and we see Superman's eyes open. He throws up a hand and catches Brainiac's fist in midair ( the impact of it sounds like a clap of thunder) and then superman crushes Brainiac's fist to dust. Superman has finally unleashed his full power.

Brainiac jumps back and looks at his hand with a puzzled look on his face. Superman slowly stands. His suits all ripped and in tatters. His eyes are black, lips are busted. His eyes start to glow bright red and smoke. He blasts Brainiac through two buildings with his heatvision.
The tables are now turned and we see Supes put an a$$kicking on Brainiac that makes people that are watching nearby gasp at the power shown.

They had no idea superman was this powerful.

[howl]

looking forward to this.

[X Knight]

sooooo.......when do you think we will hear some official news regarding the next Superman film?

it's...........it's........just so depressing to hear progress on all the other superhero/cb movies........but nothing when it comes to Superman............:(

[bgshw44]

sooooo.......when do you think we will hear some official news regarding the next Superman film?

it's...........it's........just so depressing to hear progress on all the other superhero/cb movies........but nothing when it comes to Superman............:(

well, the comforting thing is that we havent heard anything for batman either. that film will start shooting next spring, followed by superman in the summer.

singer was named in August, with filming started in march the following year, while routh was named in august. we still have time...

[GinsterHead]

Personally, I think it's pathetic that there's been barely any news regarding Batman or Superman, yet we already know the potential cast and crew of the sodding Fantastic 4 reboot. :doh:

[danlav05]

I'm predicting the latest we'll hear the Director's name is end of October, maybe with a Superman before Christmas. I wanted to write September, but I'm not pushing my luck but still being reasonable. :word: Now would be absolutely fine though.

All main photography should be done by maybe Easter2012 to give the FX crew enough time to work their magic.

[GreenKToo]

Personally, I think it's pathetic that there's been barely any news regarding Batman or Superman, yet we already know the potential cast and crew of the sodding Fantastic 4 reboot. :doh:
I agree. Honestly, I think the reason there hasn't been any news is because there is nothing to report. Thats not a good thing either.
EDIT. I'm talking about Superman. As dark b said below, Batman will be just fine.

[dark_b]

well, the comforting thing is that we havent heard anything for batman either. that film will start shooting next spring, followed by superman in the summer.

singer was named in August, with filming started in march the following year, while routh was named in august. we still have time...so?:yay:
all the main actors will come back if Nolan comes back. Nolan is the director. they all need is cast the villains and small roles. this will be fast.

there is no need for batman news. :woot:

[Octoberist]

Where's the news (jumps out window)

[RachelDawes]

I agree. Honestly, I think the reason there hasn't been any news is because there is nothing to report. Thats not a good thing either.
EDIT. I'm talking about Superman. As dark b said below, Batman will be just fine.

I look forward to the day when I can change my Superman sig. :csad:

[Octoberist]

I think of two things: sorting out the legal issue and getting a director in line for the film.

If they don't go with Jonah, then aim high. Get Mark Romanek. If Wolverine 2 gets Darren Arononsky, then all bets are off!

[SuperDaniel]

I look forward to the day when I can change my Superman sig. :csad:
Best quote ever in your sig!!! lol :up:



Its sad too. :csad:

*goes check the Green Lantern threadd*

[RachelDawes]

^Heh, I like my sig too. When I think of getting rid of it, I console myself with the knowledge that at least another Superman movie will be in production. :woot: