WB Superman Reboot 3.0: Christopher Nolan Edition

[super-t]

ooooooooo.....u said one of the names we want to but can not speak of!!!

[super-t]

chhhhh...haaaa.....

[BH/HHH]

I would not be happy with Patrick Wilson

[bgshw44]

:doh: that would of ruined watchmen

unless you wanted the rumored Keanu as Doctor Manhattan

im not saying that, but sometimes a solid respected cast helps bring credibility and interest to a project, and i think superman needs that right now, just like the reason why they want the nolan name attached.

[Weadazoid]

I think the big dissapointment before this thing even gets made given the appeal of what Marvel is doing with cross overs is there will be no connection what so ever to Batman.

Thats kinda twisted considering Nolan is helming both projects at this point. Makes no sesne to me.

[Daybreak_st]

It's cheating if he's getting paid for his work as Clark Kent, it's heroism if he's doing it for free as Superman.


Well then hasn't he been "cheating" during his career as Clark Kent at the paper, from using his powers to get stories, beat deadlines, etc? :huh:

At least scientific research would help mankind, and with his mind he could achieve things no other scientists could. As reporter he's doing a job any number of other people could do.

[GreenKToo]

singer speaks, and more of the same from wilson.

http://www.moviehole.net/201033250-singer-wilson-on-snyders-superman

[GreenKToo]

and, a little more on Joe M.

http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/

[Superman2007]

singer speaks, and more of the same from wilson.

http://www.moviehole.net/201033250-singer-wilson-on-snyders-superman
Singer's comments are interesting. He's kind of going through what happened to Burton after Batman Returns.

He's working with a studio that effectively passed on him continuing with one of their flagship franchises.

[DCUmoviepage]

Jon Hamm Talks Superman On "Conan" (with video) http://thinkmcflythink.squarespace.com/movie-news/2010/11/11/jon-hamm-talks-superman-on-conan-updated.html (http://tinyurl.com/3yzzfsq)

[Gamma Goliath]

He said absolutely nothing about superman.

[JAK®]

I think this tells us he hasn't even been asked, or if he has he said no. I really think they are going for someone younger.

[dark_b]

they can not talk on TV if they talked with the studio.

[JAK®]

they can not talk on TV if they talked with the studio.
I know. Which is why I'm analysing his comments based on that. If he was interested in the role and doing negotiations, he wouldn't be joking about him being inappropriate for the role. He would say something else that was neutral, but vague.

So that leaves three options; he talked to them, they said no. They talked to him, he said no, and they never talked to him and he isn't interested either.

[Dark Knight]

Good solid and yummy list reported by Deadline regarding females being looked at by Nolan for B3.

Don't want to see Hathaway, Lively or Knightley in the Batman film. Lively is already going to be Carol Ferris and maybe Star Sapphire in the GL film(s). I see Nolan going for better overall actress' than her also.

I would want to see Portman, Weisz or Watts under the direction of Nolan in this Batman TDKR film.

I can also see some of these actress' be considered for the role of Lois Lane in the Nolan produced and Snyder directed Superman Man Of Steel film also!

Depending on the age Lois Lane is in the MOS script....I can see Hathaway, Weisz, Portman and Knightley as contenders for Lois.

[Superark]

Good solid and yummy list reported by Deadline regarding females being looked at by Nolan for B3.

Don't want to see Hathaway, Lively or Knightley in the Batman film. Lively is already going to be Carol Ferris and maybe Star Sapphire in the GL film(s). I see Nolan going for better overall actress' than her also.

I would want to see Portman, Weisz or Watts under the direction of Nolan in this Batman TDKR film.

I can also see some of these actress' be considered for the role of Lois Lane in the Nolan produced and Snyder directed Superman Man Of Steel film also!

Depending on the age Lois Lane is in the MOS script....I can see Hathaway, Weisz, Portman and Knightley as contenders for Lois.

I could go for Portman as Lois if they are doing a younger Superman. If they are going for a bit older Supes, Weiz would be a solid choice too.

Heck no to Hathaway!

[Eze]

Well then hasn't he been "cheating" during his career as Clark Kent at the paper, from using his powers to get stories, beat deadlines, etc? :huh:

At least scientific research would help mankind, and with his mind he could achieve things no other scientists could. As reporter he's doing a job any number of other people could do.

That's why it isn't cheating, he's not the best reporter in the world, he just uses his powers enough to not get fired for moonlighting as Superman.

I know. Which is why I'm analysing his comments based on that. If he was interested in the role and doing negotiations, he wouldn't be joking about him being inappropriate for the role. He would say something else that was neutral, but vague.

So that leaves three options; he talked to them, they said no. They talked to him, he said no, and they never talked to him and he isn't interested either.

That's one way of looking at it. One guy says he's too young, one guy says he's too old, another says he's not in talks, who knows what's going on. One thing for sure, Hamm neither confirmed nor denied when he easily could have, if he wasn't involved.

I don't expect Hamm will be cast but for all we know, they might be doing a alternate timeline/dimension story with multiple Supermen! Then everyone's happy!??!??!!!?!:confused:

[Maze]

Ben Affleck Talks About Missing Out On Directing Superman: The Man Of Steel!

http://www.**************.com/fansites/joshw24/news/?a=25737

[FilmNerdJamie]

Hans Zimmer confirmed to score Superman: The Man of Steel as per Thompson On Hollywood (http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/2010/12/01/inceptions_hollywood_hills_dvd_release_party_nolan _dicaprio_and_zimmer_talk/#)

[batman44]

Nice:up: I guess it's safe to say we're getting a completley new theme for Superman.

[solidsnake86]

Thats great news if we are getting a new theme, imo of course.

[Rust]

He's been linked to it before. Still not official. This is Snyder's movie now, so I expect Tyler Bates is it.

I'll believe it when I "hear" it.

[raybia]

Thats great news if we are getting a new theme, imo of course.

I would think so too. I love the original but a new theme, though challenging, is the right move. If anyone can do it, its Zimmer. His Inception score is incredible.

[BH/HHH]

I would think so too. I love the original but a new theme, though challenging, is the right move. If anyone can do it, its Zimmer. His Inception score is incredible.

Agreed :up:

[Slusho]

Now that we know that Chris Nolan will be barely involved in the production of this movie, I have to wonder where the "Jonah Nolan as director of the Superman Reboot" came from

These rumors said that Chris would basically mentor Jonah on Set, which to me sounds like Chris would have been on Set quite often, if not most of the time.

So I guess these rumors were just BS?

[JAK®]

Now that we know that Chris Nolan will be barely involved in the production of this movie, I have to wonder where the "Jonah Nolan as director of the Superman Reboot" came from

These rumors said that Chris would basically mentor Jonah on Set, which to me sounds like Chris would have been on Set quite often, if not most of the time.

So I guess these rumors were just BS?It was more speculation than a rumour.

[gdw]

Or perhaps that was what Nolan wanted, but when they went a different way with the director and all, he sort of walked away. It's possible, but it's also all stuff we probably won't know anything about.

Unless they butcher Nolan and Goyer's idea(s) with Superman, and, after the next Batman, Nolan severs ties with WB and he decides to open up about it.

Of course, I doubt even that, as Nolan seems a bit more quite in general, I doubt he'd be one to bad mouth others like that.

Not that I believe any of the above, it's just theoretical speculation.

[FCEEVIPER]

Should this thread be renamed to the WB Superman Reboot 3.0: Zack Snyder Edition?

[raybia]

Should this thread be renamed to the WB Superman Reboot 3.0: Zack Snyder Edition?

Yes it should.

[GREEN =w= DAY]

so Chris Nolan is going to pull a Burton on this and just be a producer by name only? not at all involved? :huh:

don't know how i feel about this. him working alongside Snyder would have been perfect.

[ALP]

Well Nolan was involved in the story, but now that the script is done it's pure Snyder.

I like that Nolan is handing it over the Snyder and not being incredibly involved. They have completely different styles. Nolan's gonna sit this one out.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Next Superman film to be shot in Vancouver: sources

Marsha Lederman
Globe and Mail Update
Published Friday, Dec. 17, 2010 3:00AM EST
Last updated Friday, Dec. 17, 2010 3:14AM EST

Another high-profile, big-budget film is heading to Vancouver – not a bird or a plane but the next Superman movie.

"[Zack Snyder’s] next feature’s coming here," said Peter Leitch, chair of the Motion Picture Production Industry Association of BC and president of North Shore Studios and Mammoth Studios.

Leitch would not name Superman: Man of Steel as the film in question, but a source has confirmed that the next film in the Superman franchise will be shot in Vancouver next year, with production likely beginning in the summer.

"It’s good news," said Leitch, who says the local production industry has been on fire thanks in part to the HST, but also because of the experienced film crews in Vancouver, the quality of life here and the city’s proximity to Los Angeles.

"I think it’s a great signal that we’re doing very well here and that we’ve got the quality technicians. ... We’ve got a reputation now that we turn out quality product here and I think that’s made the difference."

Tom Cruise is currently in Vancouver shooting Mission: Impossible 4. Leitch says a high-profile production like that, along with other features and close to 20 television series shot in the Vancouver area this year has helped bolster the city’s reputation in the industry. "It just gives credence to the fact that we’ve become one of the real world production centres here."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/movies/next-superman-film-to-be-shot-in-vancouver-sources/article1841715/

[Kal]

This just ads more fuel to the idea that Tom Welling might actually get a chance.. I'd say it's about 70% now :supes::cool:

[FilmNerdJamie]

This just ads more fuel to the idea that Tom Welling might actually get a chance.. I'd say it's about 70% now :supes::cool:

That ain't happening.

[solidsnake86]

I like how a shooting location some how determines which actor will be cast in the role. I'm surprised they didn't go for NOLA.

[HighFivingMF]

This just ads more fuel to the idea that Tom Welling might actually get a chance.. I'd say it's about 70% now :supes::cool:
How does this news at all do that?

[Daybreak_st]

Interesting news. I wonder if they'd use any of the same locations as they use in Smallville? Like for the Kent Farm for Example.

[Superman2007]

Or the city of Vancouver doubling as Metropolis as it did on Smallville during earlier seasons.
http://0.tqn.com/d/gocanada/1/0/2/1/-/-/Vancouver_Aerial_2.jpg

[GreenKToo]

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8642/vancouverbcaerialviewz.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/vancouverbcaerialviewz.jpg/)
Looks like Metropolis to me...

[Superman2007]

Yup, I loved how much S:TM utilized NYC for Superman, and Chicago for TDK.

Metropolis needs to feel alive and real. Not like it was built inside a computer.

[GreenKToo]

I think it needs a few buildings added in, ie, Lex-corp, DP, and maybe star labs, but other than that it looks good. It's look reminds me of SR's video game Metropolis.

[Superman2007]

http://www.igniq.com/images/superman0706.jpg

[steintym]

This just ads more fuel to the idea that Tom Welling might actually get a chance.. I'd say it's about 70% now :supes::cool:

I don't see that happening.

[steintym]

Those shots do look a lot like Metropolis from the Superman Returns video game.

[Dark Knight]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/arts/movies/next-superman-film-to-be-shot-in-vancouver-sources/article1841715/







Very important for some of the fanboys to read what was written on the front page of the Hype article regarding the possible Vancouver shoot.

David Goyer AND Jonathan Nolan wrote the script!

That should shut some of those people up who were whining and crying about David Goyer being the only one who wrote the script.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Nolan writing it with Goyer is old ass news.

EXCLUSIVE UPDATE: IGN has heard from reliable sources that Tull is downplaying this report. Goyer is in fact on the project, but not only that -- his The Dark Knight co-writer Jonah Nolan will also be scripting Superman: The Man of Steel along with him. Nolan's brother Christopher is expected to only executive-produce, and not direct, the film. That said, he will be "hands-on" as a producer. Since the Superman film is under the gun because of the ongoing legal entanglements involving the property, Warner Bros. wants the pair to get started on their script on the double.

Our sources add that Warners is confident in the early work that Goyer and Jonah Nolan have done so far on Batman 3, and that as a result Superman has now taken on a higher priority status at the studio than it had since Superman Returns was released.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/107/1071879p1.html

[Superman2007]

Nolan writing it with Goyer is old ass news.
That's good, I really wanted Jonah on this film.

[Dark Knight]

Nolan writing it with Goyer is old ass news.






I know.

However, there seems to be a contingent of fanboys out there that don't pay attention and just think Goyer is scripting and that causes them to panic and say the film will suck.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Nolan also wrote Terminator: Salvation. So his being on-board doesn't automatically translate to "Oh yes, then it will be good"

[Superman2007]

Nolan also wrote Terminator: Salvation. So his being on-board doesn't automatically translate to "Oh yes, then it will be good"

Who didn't write Terminator Salvation?

Was he the final writer to take a pass at that script?

I'm sure he had less of an influence on that film than he did on Memento, The Prestige, and of course TDK.

[akfj]

Nolan also wrote Terminator: Salvation. So his being on-board doesn't automatically translate to "Oh yes, then it will be good"

Well, to be fair, he did a polish on the script for that film. He ended up not being credited and I don't know how much of his stuff actually ended up in the film. Maybe it would have been worse without his involvement?

[FilmNerdJamie]

Nolan was on-set rewriting every day. Just because the WGA didn't feel the need to officially credit him doesn't take away any responsible from his end.

[Superman2007]

Nolan was on-set rewriting every day.

Then, yeah, he's had a duff note. But, I think after writing 3 impressive screenplays, in a row, it was only a matter of time before he flubbed one. Still, he's not a wild card like Akiva Goldsman yet. One minute that guy writes Batman & Robin and the next minute he writes "A Beautiful Mind"

[Dark Knight]

Nolan also wrote Terminator: Salvation. So his being on-board doesn't automatically translate to "Oh yes, then it will be good"






J. Nolan just helped out with last minute re writes that couldn't save the film either way, because it was an ill conceived venture to begin with as soon as McG was named as the director. :barf:

[BH/HHH]

I have faith that Nolan and Goyer have written (or are writing) a great script

[RakuMon]

I think it needs a few buildings added in, ie, Lex-corp, DP, and maybe star labs, but other than that it looks good. It's look reminds me of SR's video game Metropolis.

This is how Smallville augments Vancouver to look like Metropolis:

http://images.wikia.com/smallville/images/8/89/Metropolis2013.png

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/smallville/images/5/51/Metropolis.jpg

[Mr. Earle]

^ I love it!

[Superman2007]

Love this:

This is how Smallville augments Vancouver to look like Metropolis:


http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/smallville/images/5/51/Metropolis.jpg

Not so much:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070216091725/smallville/images/d/d8/Metropolis-skyline-SR.jpg

[Octoberist]

Vancouver is a little underrated.

I think more movies should shoot there but I think maybe one reason why it doesn't happen as often is because of taxes, or maybe the weather is much harsher there than Toronto.

[rob-el2]

Vancouver is a little underrated.

I think more movies should shoot there but I think maybe one reason why it doesn't happen as often is because of taxes, or maybe the weather is much harsher there than Toronto.


The weather in Vancouver is warmer than Toronto (and most Canadian cities). It gets more rain than snow and doesn't usually get extremely cold weather - basically it has the same type of weather as Seattle. Toronto does get some good snow falls at times and colder weather.

[I Am The Knight]

Love this:



Not so much:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070216091725/smallville/images/d/d8/Metropolis-skyline-SR.jpg

LAWL, people will b**** about anything.

Anway...It's nice to get the ocassional MOS news. I think this film will look absolutely gorgeous.

[GreenKToo]

I hope that this time we get a sense that this Metropolis is a METROPOLIS.

[Michael Corleone]

Just because it's shot in Vancouver doesn't mean it will look anything like that. Comparing Smallville's f/x to a major film production is just wrong all together. I would expect the city to look as much like Vancouver as Sydney Australia looked like Metropolis. I would not be shocked if a majority of the Metropolis scenes are CG and share very little with Vancouver's current skyline. People are making way too many assumptions on this right off the bat.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Agreed.

[Doctor Jones]

I always imagined Metropolis to look more like Sydney myself. Or Coast City.

[JAK®]

I would not be shocked if a majority of the Metropolis scenes are CG and share very little with Vancouver's current skyline.
Why? There will probably be a lot of CGI enhancements but I don't see the point in filming in Vancouver if everything will be CGI'd. If you're referring to Snyder's past films, 300 was the only completely CGI environment, and Watchmen was on sets and soundstages. This time they're actually filming in a city.

[Mr. Earle]

Smallville's Metropolis looks pretty weird in that it looks like a small city with the Daily Planet and Luthercorp buildings right at the front. Its a tv show, so its ok, but i'm just saying if you take that and make it bigger it would be perfect. Superman Returns Metropolis was great as well.

[Micah12345]

So nolan wanted to do this because goyer presented him with a vision of superman he'd 'never heard before.' That implies some kind of a depature from what you would traditionally consider the supeman mythos doesn't it?

[Kurosawa]

Agreed about Metropolis needing to look huge. It needs to look like NYC on steroids, and NYC itself is incredibly imposing.

[Michael Corleone]

Why? There will probably be a lot of CGI enhancements but I don't see the point in filming in Vancouver if everything will be CGI'd. If you're referring to Snyder's past films, 300 was the only completely CGI environment, and Watchmen was on sets and soundstages. This time they're actually filming in a city.

They shot throughout Sydney as well and it didnt look like Sydney. First of all the main point is money. It's cheaper to film there. Hate to break it to you but this type of decision isn't always based on artistic merit but economic reasons. Second...it would be because it's the norm to use different composites to create a original looking city. Gotham doesn't look like Chicago unless it's recognizable areas of the city but the city is much larger and more expansive than what exists in reality. Considering even most television shows use environment replacement these days it's a safe bet that there will be a composite skyline. If you think they chose Vancouver because of the great skyline, you're mistaken...it's tax breaks and logistics that made this choice. Vancouver looks like every city USA. It's generic and can stand in for most major US cities. Now Snyder may decide that Vancouver doesn't need to be touched in post but I find that highly unlikely.

[JAK®]

They shot throughout Sydney as well and it didnt look like Sydney. First of all the main point is money. It's cheaper to film there. Hate to break it to you but this type of decision isn't always based on artistic merit but economic reasons. Second...it would be because it's the norm to use different composites to create a original looking city. Gotham doesn't look like Chicago unless it's recognizable areas of the city but the city is much larger and more expansive than what exists in reality. Considering even most television shows use environment replacement these days it's a safe bet that there will be a composite skyline. If you think they chose Vancouver because of the great skyline, you're mistaken...it's tax breaks and logistics that made this choice. Vancouver looks like every city USA. It's generic and can stand in for most major US cities. Now Snyder may decide that Vancouver doesn't need to be touched in post but I find that highly unlikely.In that case I misunderstood you because your last post made it seem you thought they wouldn't use any of it.

[SuperAl]

So nolan wanted to do this because goyer presented him with a vision of superman he'd 'never heard before.' That implies some kind of a depature from what you would traditionally consider the supeman mythos doesn't it?

pretty much every superman movie thats been made had a departure from the superman mythos. Donners superman had superman time travel cuz he could fly super fast, he could throw his S, he had memory erasing kissing powers. SR gave him a kid, and the crystals from his fortress apparently grew. ill gladly take w/e goyer and nolan thought up over these other things that happened in the previous films.

[Dark Knight]

Snyder should use Vancouver, parts of Sydney, parts of Miami and of course parts of NY to create METROPOLIS!

[GreenKToo]

Hong Kong and Dubai as well.

[Showtime]

..the whole world...

[Alonsovich]

..the whole world...

Yes... and let's find also an Earth-like planet 3 million light years away to double for Krypton on location shooting... :o

[Mr. Earle]

Definitely some Dubai. I've seen pictures of future projects and they re basically building a real DC Metropolis there with amazing skyscrapers with rivers flowing between them, etc. You guys should check out the buildings for Louvre and Guggenheim that are going to be built there. Clearly NY or Chicago with some skyscrapers added with CGI isnt gonna cut it anymore. I mean we are talking about imaginary cities, why make them bland? So that it feels realistic or serious?

What the heck, i'll upload some pics:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/909/saadiyatisland1.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5710/louvreabudhabisaadiyat2.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5181/dubaimuseum02.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9285/archbridge.jpg

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/9423/dubaibridgearch3.jpg


And this is Dubai in 2050 supposedly. That's how Metropolis should look like. Gotham should be a darker and dirtier twin.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2554/dubai2050.jpg

[GreenKToo]

Now thats Metropolis.

[Micah12345]

I had no idea dubai looked or will look so impressive.

[Mr. Earle]

In the first pic i posted you can see the Guggenheim museum one the left edge of the island (the thing that looks like boxes thrown together) and that huge dome is the Louvre (also in the second pic), basically a huge dome over many buildings. That weird building next to it that looks like a yaught is some sort of opera house. In the background you can see the main city with skyscrapers overlooking the harbour.

The bridge in the next pics is already built, or will be finished soon. Dubai looks amazing doesnt it?

[JAK®]

I had a dream about Snyder's Superman movie, it was a scene with Superman chasing a supervillain (played by Matthew Goode) through the skyscrapers of Metropolis. All the skyscrapers were sleek, sharp, made of glass and were very shiny. Everything was very bright, not very saturated, but almost over-exposed. It looked pretty good.

[Mr. Earle]

I had a dream about Snyder's Superman movie, it was a scene with Superman chasing a supervillain (played by Matthew Goode) through the skyscrapers of Metropolis. All the skyscrapers were sleek, sharp, made of glass and were very shiny. Everything was very bright, not very saturated, but almost over-exposed. It looked pretty good.:woot:http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon14.gif

[FilmNerdJamie]

Chuck Roven piped in with a few words on both The Dark Knight Rises and Superman: The Man of Steel:

Shock: Can you talk a little more about what's next for you? You mentioned Superman and, of course, there's The Dark Knight Rises. It seems like a big time for DC Comics on the big screen.

Roven: And they've got the Green Lantern coming out, too. But we're really excited to be doing another film with Chris Nolan and Emma Thomas. We've had great experiences working together. I just really enjoy making those films and being there to help Chris try and realize this amazing vision that he's had for his Batman series. I'm also really thrilled that I was invited into the Superman process as well. It's going to be interesting. Those are two really big films and they both have an exciting and eager fanbase that's waiting. I've been a huge fan of Zack Snyder's since, really, Dawn of the Dead and had a great meeting with him that resulted in us working together. Chris and Emma are also producing that film with me as is Deborah Snyder. So we're having a really great time working on both this films right now.

Shock: Is the thought that they might have a shared universe one day?

Roven: No. That may be in somebody's mind but right now the Batman lives in his world and the Superman lives in his world. Those stories are those stories and we haven't thought beyond each individual picture.

Shock: Christian Bale mentioned recently that he felt that the Batman films would wrap up with the third one.

Roven: Well, I think that Chris Nolan has said that he wanted to make a trilogy and this is a trilogy. As far as we all know, this is it. This is the trilogy. The Dark Knight Rises is the third part of what Chris created with Batman Begins and we're not looking past that. I've said this about Chris before: I've never known Chris to do anything but focus on the movie he's making. He gets completely immersed in the movie he's doing and I know that all he's thinking about right now when it comes to Batman, the Dark Knight Rises, is making it the best movie he can. He's not thinking, "will there be another one?" And he's already said, in his mind, it's a trilogy. So I think he's just focusing on making this the best he possibly can and that's it.

Shock: Knowing that he's sort of famous for that single-movie focus, how hard is it getting time balanced out for godfathering Superman as well?

Roven: It's a huge workload, but there's a way we've been talking about how to make it work. Hopefully, there will be a little bit of time in-between the start of production on both of them. Right now Dark Knight Rises is coming out in the summer of 2012 and Superman is coming out in the winter of 2012. So hopefully -- and we're just at the beginning phases of both of them. We haven't even entered official pre-production on either one of them -- there will be a little bit of room. They're both going to be long shoots. I'm sure there's going to be some overlap, but hopefully there'll be as little overlap as possible.

Shock: One last Superman question: There are persistent rumors of a CGI Superman. Can you comment on that?

Roven: You know, one of the things that you probably know about me and us working on this movie is that the rumors are the rumors and when we have something to say, we'll say it. Until we do, there's nothing to say.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73020

[Lightning54SC]

WTF is this CGI Superman talk?! youve got to be kidding me

[steintym]

That's the first of heard of a CGI Superman. WTF ?!?! Not sure what that would completely mean, but my initial reaction is that would be horrible.

[El Payaso]

WTF is this CGI Superman talk?! youve got to be kidding me

The same WTF CGI Green Lantern we're getting.

[JAK®]

There was a rumour a while ago that Matthew Goode was going to be Superman and they were going to use CGI to make him look more like the character.

But it was a rumour.

[steintym]

^ Thanks, I never heard that one before. Hopefully, they stay away from that idea. I know CGI probably needs to be used for all of these superhero movies, but I read that comment as a full CGI character.

[GreenKToo]

Chuck Roven piped in with a few words on both The Dark Knight Rises and Superman: The Man of Steel:



http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=73020
I hope this is the proverbial crack in the dam.

[BH/HHH]

I like what Chuck Roven said he basically was dismissing the CGI rumour, like he said "when we have something to say, we'll say it. Until we do, there's nothing to say."

[Rust]

Not alot of info there, but there will be no CGI-suit, come on now! Stop reading too much into nothing.

[Octoberist]

The problem with Dubai is the weather. You have to film at the right time (like with Mission Impossible 4) or else you'll suffer from the heat. Or I think you would.

[Dark Knight]

Definitely some Dubai. I've seen pictures of future projects and they re basically building a real DC Metropolis there with amazing skyscrapers with rivers flowing between them, etc. You guys should check out the buildings for Louvre and Guggenheim that are going to be built there. Clearly NY or Chicago with some skyscrapers added with CGI isnt gonna cut it anymore. I mean we are talking about imaginary cities, why make them bland? So that it feels realistic or serious?

What the heck, i'll upload some pics:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/909/saadiyatisland1.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5710/louvreabudhabisaadiyat2.jpg

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/5181/dubaimuseum02.jpg

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/9285/archbridge.jpg

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/9423/dubaibridgearch3.jpg


And this is Dubai in 2050 supposedly. That's how Metropolis should look like. Gotham should be a darker and dirtier twin.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2554/dubai2050.jpg







I would like to see some images of Dubai used for Krypton if they are considered to futuristic and modern to be used for Metropolis in the next film.

[Dark Knight]

This is how Smallville augments Vancouver to look like Metropolis:

http://images.wikia.com/smallville/images/8/89/Metropolis2013.png

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/smallville/images/5/51/Metropolis.jpg






Nice augmentation. Good job!

[Maze]

Rumor: Production Timeline for SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF STEEL?

Minor spoilers.

http://collider.com/superman-man-of-steel-production-schedule/68680/

[Gianakin_]

Sounds kinda rushed.

[Gianakin_]

Sounds kinda rushed.

[FilmNerdJamie]

Also sounds like a quasi-retread of the Donner film.

Oh, wait. "It's fresh! Innovative! Radical!"

Not slighting that, but it's amusing.

[Rust]

Not necessarily. Dnt know if I buy it though.

"Principle Photography will start in [Location TBC] which will act as “Smallville” and will film for about 40 days for 4 scenes: [HOMECOMING], [FUTURE DISCUSSION], [SHIP DISCOVERY] and [FUNERAL]."

Sounds somewhat like Birthright again, hehe...

[JAK®]

Sounds kinda rushed.
It says that it's a long shoot.

[Rust]

Edit goddamn!

[Showtime]

Minor spoilers.

http://collider.com/superman-man-of-steel-production-schedule/68680/

I wonder if the innovative idea was, "We shouldn't have done a loose sequel to do the Donner Films for a new generation, we should do a remake of the original with some important elements but a new storyline intertwined!" :dry:

Add a little twist of Birthright and we are ready to film...

Homecoming from his overseas Journey (Birthright), Discussion Of Future(Donner Flicks, Birthright), Ship Discovery (Donner Flicks & Birthright), and Funeral (Pa Kent in Donner Flicks?)

[Zorex]

This is how Smallville augments Vancouver to look like Metropolis:

http://images.wikia.com/smallville/images/8/89/Metropolis2013.png

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/smallville/images/5/51/Metropolis.jpg
Actually, I'm pretty sure the basis for, or even the majority of, the top picture is Chicago. You can see in the bottom left where Lake Shore Drive curves past Oak Street Beach.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/btcoleman/5333008087/

Mmmm... Chicago. :up::up::up:

[FilmNerdJamie]

I wonder if the innovative idea was, "We shouldn't have done a loose sequel to do the Donner Films for a new generation, we should do a remake of the original with some important elements but a new storyline intertwined!" :dry:

Add a little twist of Birthright and we are ready to film...

Homecoming from his overseas Journey (Birthright), Discussion Of Future(Donner Flicks, Birthright), Ship Discovery (Donner Flicks & Birthright), and Funeral (Pa Kent in Donner Flicks?)

"Oh. My. GOOOOOOOOOOOOD! It's such an innovative take on the character!"
"What is it?"
"Oh. Just the origin story again. But this time we take from one or two of the comics!"

[JAK®]

If it's good, I don't care. In fact seeing Birthright on film would be great.

[Showtime]

Minor spoilers.

http://collider.com/superman-man-of-steel-production-schedule/68680/

If it's good, I don't care. In fact seeing Birthright on film would be great.

Sure. It's fine if it is good.

It's just funny that reports were calling it original from Nolan's camp. Maybe i am missing something.

[JAK®]

Sure. It's fine if it is good.

It's just funny that reports were calling it original from Nolan's camp. Maybe i am missing something.
I think it will be more to do with the tone of the character and how he is presented rather than the plot itself.

Batman Begins was the standard superhero origin template but the realistic tone was what made it different.

[Showtime]

I hope that isn't the difference, realism, they already did that with Returns.

[JAK®]

I hope that isn't the difference, realism, they already did that with Returns.
Well I hope not as well, I was just using Begins as an example, the tone could be anything.

[BH/HHH]

If it's good, I don't care. In fact seeing Birthright on film would be great.

Definitely I personally feel you could just adapt Birthright from page to screen and it'd be awesome.

Also on the timeline I wouldnt know if it were true or not if it is Im just excited to know something. Also if it is true it doesnt mean because the Smallville scenes somewhat reflect STM that they are making the film in the same way whats to say these aren't flashbacks.

[Rust]

Yeah, Birthright was fine. So what if they redid some of the Smallville-stuff. Still an ok update IMO.

[KyleDW2]

"Oh. My. GOOOOOOOOOOOOD! It's such an innovative take on the character!"
"What is it?"
"Oh. Just the origin story again. But this time we take from one or two of the comics!"

Considering the past of the character on film...that is innovation.

[Superark]

Also sounds like a quasi-retread of the Donner film.

Oh, wait. "It's fresh! Innovative! Radical!"

Not slighting that, but it's amusing.


Is it really all that surprising? Nolan has gone on record saying how he thinks Donner's Superman film is the best comic movie ever done, even to this day. He has expressed great admiration for it and praised it more than once.

[JAK®]

He also had no interest in another Superman movie until this apparently fresh idea was suggested to him.

[BH/HHH]

Yeah, Birthright was fine. So what if they redid some of the Smallville-stuff. Still an ok update IMO.

Yeah I agree :up:

[Bruce_Begins]

It is a good thing that they are including some smallville scenes, and there are not many different ways to tell the origin story, but still it needs to be there, as this movie is the starting point for the new continuity.

I am happy with this.

[green]

Yeah, Birthright was fine. So what if they redid some of the Smallville-stuff. Still an ok update IMO.

Its not just the Smallville stuff though. Superman saves Lois for the first time...a helicopter. Luthor is a threat with...Kryptonian technology. Birthright is like a hodge podge of things that were done before. I wont even go into the giant robot spider. I really dont get how people want to see an adaptation of it and want something new at the same time.:huh: It might look new.

[JAK®]

Its not just the Smallville stuff though. Superman saves Lois for the first time...a helicopter. Luthor is a threat with...Kryptonian technology. Birthright is like a hodge podge of things that were done before. I wont even go into the giant robot spider. I really dont get how people want to see an adaptation of it and want something new at the same time.:huh: It might look new.
Birthright has deliberate homages to what has come before, however as a story and how it treats the character it couldn't be any more different from the Donner movies. Clark in Africa alone makes it different from 99% of the other Superman origins. Luthor faking a Kryptonian invasion is way different to creating an island for the purpose of real estate.

[Gianakin_]

It says that it's a long shoot.

If they don't have lots of CGI then it should be fine. But I don't think that will be the case.

[green]

Birthright has deliberate homages to what has come before, however as a story and how it treats the character it couldn't be any more different from the Donner movies. Clark in Africa alone makes it different from 99% of the other Superman origins. Luthor faking a Kryptonian invasion is way different to creating an island for the purpose of real estate.

Im not faulting Birthright, I love it as comic. Other than Clark in Africa there really isnt much new to it IMO. My issue is wanting it adapted as a movie, just seems like you'd be repeating alot of things.

[Superhero Hype!]

Minor spoilers.

http://collider.com/superman-man-of-steel-production-schedule/68680/

A lot of sites, including us, received that probably bogus e-mail today.

[Rust]

Its not just the Smallville stuff though. Superman saves Lois for the first time...a helicopter. Luthor is a threat with...Kryptonian technology. Birthright is like a hodge podge of things that were done before. I wont even go into the giant robot spider. I really dont get how people want to see an adaptation of it and want something new at the same time.:huh: It might look new.


I dont believe they'd adapt the whole story. Just the first 1/3 of it. Up until he arrives in Metropolis. That's all I'd wanna see personally. I dont mind the kryptonian Luthor-research, but I dont care for yet another uninspiring Luthor-scheme if that's all there is. A super-villain, thank you.

[Superman2007]

I hope that isn't the difference, realism, they already did that with Returns.
Returns didn't have the sort of realism that Iron Man, or Batman had.

And when I'm talking about realism, I'm talking about the world the superheroes are put in. Not the actual superhero.

Gotham City felt more like a city in the U.S than Metropolis did.

The people in Metropolis didn't act in a realistic way to Superman returning. Everyone was stoked, on cue.

Metropolis played more like an idealized city that didn't have any problems besides Lex and the arbitrary bank robber.

The world we were introduced to in SR seemed too simple, clean, and unrelatable.

If you make the city and people of Metropolis more reflective of our own world, like it has been done in Birthright and The Dark Knight, people will be more engaged and more curious to see how a being like Superman would affect it.

[RalphD]

Returns didn't have the sort of realism that Iron Man, or Batman had.

And when I'm talking about realism, I'm talking about the world the superheroes are put in. Not the actual superhero.

Gotham City felt more like a city in the U.S than Metropolis did.

The people in Metropolis didn't act in a realistic way to Superman returning. Everyone was stoked, on cue.

Metropolis played more like an idealized city that didn't have any problems besides Lex and the arbitrary bank robber.

The world we were introduced to in SR seemed too simple, clean, and unrelatable.

If you make the city and people of Metropolis more reflective of our own world, like it has been done in Birthright and The Dark Knight, people will be more engaged and more curious to see how a being like Superman would affect it.

Indeed. Everything was highly idealized, not just Metropolis.

Singer's Superman is an infallible god looking over humanity. The hero's journey is streamlined to whether Superman is happy being who he is or not. And even then, it fails to raise enough interest. In Nolan's approach, we'd probably witness how destructive his godlike powers can be to the very same people he is trying to protect.

For instance, what happens if innocent bystanders get killed by all the debris from an ongoing fight in the skies of Metropolis? What if Superman isn't fast enough to save all the passengers from that falling plane? What if he makes the wrong choice and needs to figure out a way to live with it? Does he begin to question if he is more of a menace than a necessity? Singer attempts that for a brief moment, yet for the wrong reasons, and drops it all too quickly, moving on to yawn inducing real state nonsense.

Singer's approach to breath humanity into Superman was just an excuse for a tedious romance with an unrelatable Lois Lane, while Nolan would probably have focused on a psychological journey from a character carrying the burden and responsability to be perfect and make all the right decisions. And then how does everyone deal with his flaws and limitations, when they finally happen?

Therefore, while Gotham's city is an integral part of the story, perhaps even a character itself (it gives birth to Batman), Singer's Metropolis is just a backdrop. It could've been anywhere...New York, Paris, Tokyo, a parking lot. The story would've been the same: Guy breaks up with his girlfriend and leaves town, returns to see girlfriend has moved on and tries to figure out what he did wrong. At the end accepts it was probably better off for everyone.

It's sterile, like everything else in that script besides the overplayed love "conflict" and that movie didn't even need to have a Superman in it. Richard can certainly take care of the situation when Bosworth's Lois isn't doing terribly dumb things.

All in all, Singer was really the wrong director for this. He used the X-Men to tell a story about tolerance and acceptance, but Superman just isn't the right type of character to tell a sad love story. Let's hope Nolan's Metropolis is a more approachable (but yet modern looking) place for the whole audiance.

[Superman2007]

Indeed. Everything was highly idealized, not just Metropolis.

Singer's Superman is an infallible god looking over humanity. The hero's journey is streamlined to whether Superman is happy being who he is or not. And even then, it fails to raise enough interest. In Nolan's approach, we'd probably witness how destructive his godlike powers can be to the very same people he is trying to protect.

For instance, what happens if innocent bystanders get killed by all the debris from an ongoing fight in the skies of Metropolis? What if Superman isn't fast enough to save all the passengers from that falling plane? What if he makes the wrong choice and needs to figure out a way to live with it? Does he begin to question if he is more of a menace than a necessity? Singer attempts that for a brief moment, yet for the wrong reasons, and drops it all too quickly, moving on to yawn inducing real state nonsense.

Singer's approach to breath humanity into Superman was just an excuse for a tedious romance with an unrelatable Lois Lane, while Nolan would probably have focused on a psychological journey from a character carrying the burden and responsability to be perfect and make all the right decisions. And then how does everyone deal with his flaws and limitations, when they finally happen?

Therefore, while Gotham's city is an integral part of the story, perhaps even a character itself (it gives birth to Batman), Singer's Metropolis is just a backdrop. It could've been anywhere...New York, Paris, Tokyo, a parking lot. The story would've been the same: Guy breaks up with his girlfriend and leaves town, returns to see girlfriend has moved on and tries to figure out what he did wrong. At the end accepts it was probably better off for everyone.

It's sterile, like everything else in that script besides the overplayed love "conflict" and that movie didn't even need to have a Superman in it. Richard can certainly take care of the situation when Bosworth's Lois isn't doing terribly dumb things.

All in all, Singer was really the wrong director for this. He used the X-Men to tell a story about tolerance and acceptance, but Superman just isn't the right type of character to tell a sad love story. Let's hope Nolan's Metropolis is a more approachable (but yet modern looking) place for the whole audiance.

Exactly!

Another huge example of everything being idealized and hunky dory was how The Daily Planet seemed completely unscathed by digital media(something Goyer's screenplay will apparently address). I mean they didn't even touch on the idea that The Daily Planet was probably having some trouble staying profitable in the internet age. Nope, everyone at Daily Planet headquarters in CGI city, U.S.A were doing just fine.

Snyder has said in the past that he has a tough time seeing how Superman can be taken seriously with the world being what it is. SR didn't even try to answer this question because they presented a world that doesn't require that question to be answered. Superman remains simple as does his simple world, where all he has to do to solve issues is lift things.

Snyder, Nolan, and Co. I think will try to explain and answer that question. They'll try to explain how a "Superman" would be able to function in our real world, which is filled with real problems and complicated issues.

[RalphD]

Good points. This movie can only work if it brings something new and up to date to the audience. We've had Superman for many decades, we've seen pretty much anything there is to see about Superman's powers. Superman flying, punching and lifting things in different scales won't make this new franchise long lived.

Big battles with giant robots and aliens from outer space? Nope, done and done. Cool for fans, passable for everyone else.

But Nolan knows this all too well.

Begins was a hit because Nolan understood how important Bruce Wayne is to the Batman mythos, something Tim Burton never approached. People tend to just want to see Batman, but Batman is secondary. He speaks little, he fights the baddies, he has the cool gadgets. But Batman by himself is all action, little story. Without Bruce Wayne, he is a cookie cutter hero, perhaps with one or two breaches of morality. That's why villains used to steal the show.

There was nothing exceptional in Batman Begins other than the journey into Bruce Wayne's mind, his trauma, his fears and hopes. And that alone made a great movie. Kudos to Nolan for understanding that Batman is about little exposition, and focusing on the psychological thriller of the man behind the mask.

Moving on to Dark Knight, Nolan asks again the right questions. What if this guy, with all the resources he has available, can't outmatch someone smarter and even more destructive? What if he had a civilian match, would there ever be a need for a vigilante? He's pushing more internal conflicts like pieces on a chessboard.

So how did Singer's script fail? Never once does he ask the right questions. What if Superman had a son? Who cares? What if Lois was married someone else? Who cares. What if Lex Luthor was hoping to create a whole new continent to sell land? Wait, what?

The only thing that could've gone right there was "What if the world lost Superman, would it ever be the same?" Probably yes, since Superman is shown spending his time chasing bank robbers and lifting stray cars. Now had they shown him unsucessfully trying to end wars in the Middle East, famine in underdeveloped nations and trying to prevent global warming...you have a plateful of morality issues for the modern audience.

And that's exactly what I predict Nolan is going for. Maybe not so literally (I guess no one wants to see Superman lecturing against pollution), but not trailing too far from a real conflict, a real challenge that is meaningful to the audiences, and not just Superman and the people of Metropolis. Everything else we've seen before.

[solidsnake86]

Maybe the fresh idea was that they could do batman begins only for superman, which is what there probably going to do, sprinkle in some of those new themes from secret origins and the beginning of birthright and you have your movie. Action, romance, a bit of comedy and away you go. Its never really been that hard to figure superman out, its only hard if you have to follow the reeve movies without updating it. Origin stories are a guarantee no matter how many of you think it has to be innovative and WB would be dumb to do something like SR again (which was innovative, just didn't work). Stick to the basics and you have a good movie.

[Willi Berg]

Snyder, Nolan, and Co. I think will try to explain and answer that question. They'll try to explain how a "Superman" would be able to function in our real world, which is filled with real problems and complicated issues.

You and RalphD make great points. That is the type of realism that I would want to see in a Superman movie.

Not that it can't also be fun and full of action, but that it explores Superman's role in the world.

[louiebling$]

Those "spoilers" look like anything anyone of us could make up just based on speculation.....besides the fact that it contradicts earlier reports on the plotline(which could be wrong but I highly doubt it).

Edit:Just seen Mirko's post about being bogus.... well at least to me it seemed bogus from the start.

[Willi Berg]

Yes, it was suspicious that it only gave away those specific scenes to be shot, what with how guarded it has been so far esp. at this stage of pre-production.

[Showtime]

Those "spoilers" look like anything anyone of us could make up just based on speculation.....besides the fact that it contradicts earlier reports on the plotline(which could be wrong but I highly doubt it).

Edit:Just seen Mirko's post about being bogus.... well at least to me it seemed bogus from the start.

Its all a whirlwind of rumor at this point. Whomever created it, put a lot of thought into if it is fake.

[Maze]

We were sent an update from our source:

To follow up on the confusion surrounding my tip off about the Superman production timeline:

The scenes in Smallville aren’t the first thing in the movie but are going to be filmed first for convinience and won’t be a major part of the story but a key part.

I believe that the stand in for Metropolis will be Chicago and NOT Vancouver. This is one of the key reasons why The Dark Knight Rises has moved to Detroit because TDKR doesn’t have as many ariel shots as Superman and so the audience will not know the difference. The ariel shots in TDKR will be CGI enhanced as will the Superman shots.

There will be a Thanksgiving and Christmas/New Year breaks during the shoot. Shooting in 2011 finishes on something like December 15th and won’t resume until January 5th.

The foreign shoots are for a montage scene and will feature Clark Kent. I believe the story says Iraq and Afghanistan but filming won’t take place there for obvious reasons and a stand in country will be chosen. The actual foreign places are being decided now and it may even film those desert war scenes in the US.

The UK studio is Shepperton Studios at Pinewood I believe and is where the Daily Planet interior scenes will be filmed as well as others which I won’t say.

http://collider.com/superman-man-of-steel-production-schedule/68680/

[I Am The Knight]

I thought the Detroit shoot for TDKR was debunked? Maybe I read that wrong.

[Sub-Zero]

i'm just surprised production's actually going somewhere. i wonder when people will stop saying "nolan" when referring to this movie? he's just a producer snyder probably got the job so nolan could make tdkr, and not have to worry about superman.

[BH/HHH]

i'm just surprised production's actually going somewhere. i wonder when people will stop saying "nolan" when referring to this movie? he's just a producer snyder probably got the job so nolan could make tdkr, and not have to worry about superman.

:up: great post, I'm sick of hearing Nolan wouldn't allow this or that its Zak Snyder's movie

[Rust]

If this is legit the Birthright-elements sound more and more probable for the foreign- and Smallville-shoots.

[Alonsovich]

:up: great post, I'm sick of hearing Nolan wouldn't allow this or that its Zak Snyder's movie

Except it's not Snyder's movie... it's WB's movie...:o

[Sub-Zero]

Except it's not Snyder's movie... it's WB's movie...:o


i can see it now "a wb film" instead of "a zack snyder film." the latter sounds so ridiculous. :woot:

[JAK®]

Snyder deserves more respect.

[BH/HHH]

Except it's not Snyder's movie... it's WB's movie...:o

Haha you got me :woot:

[Willi Berg]

If this is true (and there are still doubts) it's good to see elements of Superman where they could explore him as a political figure, where he fits into world affairs and war and as a symbol of America.

Watching "Superman Returns" the line that's actually more provocative now is when Perry White says "Does he still stand for truth, justice...all that stuff?" i.e. "The American Way" is something that could be explored.

[Rust]

Also, would be nice to see the Smallville-Clark fleshed out more and not the undercover Metropolis-Clark. Or at least have them be less different.

In generel, I'd love for Clark to be more of a character this time and not an excuse or an illusion. I'd like to see him actually being a capable reporter and taking action. Just trying to fit in and being human or "regular".

[Willi Berg]

Right. If these rumours are true, then it sounds like we are getting a more fleshed-out Clark. He's travelling the world and witnessing war and politics as a journalist.

He should be more of a character, any insecurity and awkwardness should be genuine, not a bumbling act. And he could even change and grow throughout the movie as he gains more confidence as a journalist and also decides for himself what Superman should stand for.

[Man of Tomorrow]

The act is just for Metropolis and the Daily Planet.

He's gonna need some kind of exaggerated or invented persona for that to throw people off when he's there.

Even Bruce Wayne had 'Playboy Bruce' and Batman has the luxury of a mask.

[JAK®]

Yeah, when people say that Clark as he appears at the Daily Planet is the real person I wonder if they understand the character at all.

[Man of Tomorrow]

It's probably because the Postcrisis comics tried to blend both together. It works fine in animation and comics, but not so great in live action (Dean Cain's Clark/Superman being exactly the same and consequently not believable in the slightest).

Kal-El needs three personas; the real Clark Kent (who we'll see in the Middle East and Smallville), the exaggerated/invented Clark Kent (Metropolis, Daily Planet) and Superman (his worldwide public superhero persona).

[Willi Berg]

The problem with Clark exaggerating himself in Metropolis is that it can be overdone from an acting standpoint. Sure he should not draw attention to himself and there is the change with the clothes, hair and glasses, but he doesn't have to ham it up and play a goofball.

And he would be different in Metropolis than in Smallville- he's a farmboy in the big city surrounded by big personalities. So there would be the feeling of being overwhelmed and trying to fit into this more regular daily life. And since the early comics Clark has been the more genuine persona of the creators. Even Morrison in All-Star showed Clark, because of being Superman, as having trouble being Clark in Metropolis because he is downplaying who he really is, so that's why he stumbles and fumbles- because he is actually too big a persona to try to reign in as a regular guy like Clark in Metropolis.

[Rust]

Hehe, wouldnt mind if he actually took acting-classes for the Metropolis-Clark Kent. Or it was hinted at that he studied acting somehow.

I'd also like to see that they stick with the humorous or coy Superman/Clark Kent. I love his expression in SR after his eye stops the bullit and in STM when he reveals the bullit in his hand. :woot:
Sorta humanizes him.

Also, the part in Birthright where he fires a gun at that crook and then stops it right in front of his face. :up:

[Man of Tomorrow]

The problem with Clark exaggerating himself in Metropolis is that it can be overdone from an acting standpoint. Sure he should not draw attention to himself and there is the change with the clothes, hair and glasses, but he doesn't have to ham it up and play a goofball.


That's why I liked Singer's approach of Clark being subdued and fading into the background at the DP.

CK played more of a quiet, reserved persona in the DP as opposed to drawing attention to himself.

[combocaz]

restart.

They should have reboot the thing even before superman returns came out.

[ViciousValentin]

restart.

They should have reboot the thing even before superman returns came out.

Superman returns was such a let down for me personally Im not excited for this film at all, I more hyped for X-men than I am for this...will take great marketing and positive reviews for me to go see this. If Green Lantern is the disappoint I think its gonna turn out to be than no way .....I think there is a reason why Nolan is distancing himself from this...wish they would just do Death of Superman arch and forget the whole origins thing....that would be well worth admission.

[Spoonman]

^Nolan is "distancing himself" from this because he will get his hands full with TDKR, and it has been well documented that he is a "one project at a time" kinda guy.

[Nave 'Torment']

It should be SUPERMAN: YEAR ONE instead of Superman Origins. And yes, flashbacks, like ACT I of Batman Begins.

[HighFivingMF]

Superman returns was such a let down for me personally Im not excited for this film at all, I more hyped for X-men than I am for this...will take great marketing and positive reviews for me to go see this. If Green Lantern is the disappoint I think its gonna turn out to be than no way .....I think there is a reason why Nolan is distancing himself from this...wish they would just do Death of Superman arch and forget the whole origins thing....that would be well worth admission.
Yeah! If Nolan wanted to do this he'd just drop Dark Knight Rises and wear Superman shirts to every interview! Screw this movie, we need a GOOD movie that will get a new series started, so let's kill the hero!

[fixxxer1022]

Yeah! If Nolan wanted to do this he'd just drop Dark Knight Rises and wear Superman shirts to every interview! Screw this movie, we need a GOOD movie that will get a new series started, so let's kill the hero!


isn't nolans involvement pretty much done now? or am i reading wrong?

[HighFivingMF]

isn't nolans involvement pretty much done now? or am i reading wrong?
I was kidding. But yes, Nolan did what he was supposed to, helped in getting the movie made.


Just, people like to bring up Nolan working on his own movies is a sign of no faith in Man of Steel.

[fixxxer1022]

I was kidding. But yes, Nolan did what he was supposed to, helped in getting the movie made.


Just, people like to bring up Nolan working on his own movies is a sign of no faith in Man of Steel.


figured you were joking but i had to make sure. :cwink:

well any flick with nolan's name attached will create hype but it's all up to snyder from here on out. i hope he makes some good decisions. they got one shot to make this right.

[HighFivingMF]

If Green Lantern is the disappoint I think its gonna turn out to be than no way
How can you THINK something will be disappointing? Wouldn't that cause you to not be disappointed since, y'know, that's what you were expecting?

[Nave 'Torment']

How can you THINK something will be disappointing? Wouldn't that cause you to not be disappointed since, y'know, that's what you were expecting?

Not sure what you mean, but from where I come from a movie-trailer is supposed to tell you what to expect. If the poster didn't like the trailer he (or she) has the right to be 'disappointed'. Note that it never said anything about the movie being bad, just that from what we know so far, it might disappoint him (or her).

Personally, I think we'll see something really unique with the film.

[HighFivingMF]

Not sure what you mean, but from where I come from a movie-trailer is supposed to tell you what to expect. If the poster didn't like the trailer he (or she) has the right to be 'disappointed'. Note that it never said anything about the movie being bad, just that from what we know so far, it might disappoint him (or her).

Personally, I think we'll see something really unique with the film.
I don't get how someone can think something won't live up to their expectations. It seems like at that point you'd lower your expectations.

[JAK®]

Not sure what you mean, but from where I come from a movie-trailer is supposed to tell you what to expect. If the poster didn't like the trailer he (or she) has the right to be 'disappointed'. Note that it never said anything about the movie being bad, just that from what we know so far, it might disappoint him (or her).

Personally, I think we'll see something really unique with the film.
This isn't a matter of opinion, saying that you expect something to be a disappointment is an oxymoron.

[RachelDawes]

How can you THINK something will be disappointing? Wouldn't that cause you to not be disappointed since, y'know, that's what you were expecting?

Maybe he's a GL fan who was hoping for a better-looking movie than the one he feels the trailer's shown.

I don't get how someone can think something won't live up to their expectations. It seems like at that point you'd lower your expectations.

Good idea. We movie fans should just all lower our expectations to the point to the point that any movie can meet them. That way, there'll be no such thing as a bad movie. :dry:

[HighFivingMF]

Good idea. We movie fans should just all lower our expectations to the point to the point that any movie can meet them. That way, there'll be no such thing as a bad movie. :dry:
Well, there would be a lot less complaining. But I never said you should have super-low expectations for every movie or that you shouldn't look forward to a movie. If you see evidence that a movie won't meet high expectations why would you still have high expectations?

[Nave 'Torment']

This isn't a matter of opinion, saying that you expect something to be a disappointment is an oxymoron.

Really? How so? I'm really struggling with this now - people can expect to be disappointed, how is that a linguistic impossibility? Does this have anything to do with Moore's paradox?

I don't get how someone can think something won't live up to their expectations. It seems like at that point you'd lower your expectations.

I have to go with Rachel on this one... because one can have low expectations about something and await disappointment... it's happens. It's not fiction I tell ya!

[JAK®]

If you expect something and you get what you expected... that's the exact opposite of disappointment.

[HighFivingMF]

If you expect something and you get what you expected... that's the exact opposite of disappointment.
This.

[Nave 'Torment']

If you expect something and you get what you expected... that's the exact opposite of disappointment.

AHHH okay :) that makes sense. Thanks. For some reason I couldn't see that.

[Peyton Westlake]

I think Mr. Snyder should stay away from 'another' origin story. Superman is iconic & a legend in that regards. Everyone knows his history. Do we really need to pay to see it yet again? Do something different for Pete's sake & dare to be original. Lets see Superman go toe to toe with Doomsday or something far from the norm I hope we dont get.

[HighFivingMF]

I don't think as many people know Superman's origins as much as the folk around here think. I mean, people in their late 20s or 30s, sure. But people my age, in their late teens and early 20s, that aren't really comic fans don't know. Aren't they part of the key demographic for superhero movies? Whenever Superman comes up they usually only know/think they know the following:

1. What he looks like.
2. Clark Kent is his name.
3. He's too strong and that makes him "gay"

I think at least some attention should be payed to the origin. If not a full-blown origin story at least reference it.

[ChickenScratch]

While you may think so I think the elements of Superman's story are far more widely know than you assume it is. He has not been off TV screens in one form or another, many of those elements are as well known as characters from any other beloved cartoon ... for those who didn't read the comics.

[RachelDawes]

Well, there would be a lot less complaining. But I never said you should have super-low expectations for every movie or that you shouldn't look forward to a movie. If you see evidence that a movie won't meet high expectations why would you still have high expectations?

You might not have high expectations but fans can still hold out hope that the promotional material isn't an accurate representation of the quality of the film.

I think at least some attention should be payed to the origin. If not a full-blown origin story at least reference it.

I'd take the reference. After all the superhero origin movies that have come out lately I think audiences could be origined out. Superman could set himself apart by only having a quick reference to the origin and getting straight to the action. Perhaps a deeper examination of the circumstances of his birth and/or childhood could be saved for sequels.

[HighFivingMF]

You might not have high expectations but fans can still hold out hope that the promotional material isn't an accurate representation of the quality of the film.
I do have high expectations for Green Lantern, there's not a single movie (besides Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel) that I'm more looking forward to... But okay.

All I was saying is, as Jak put it, expecting something to disappoint you is an oxymoron.

[Nave 'Torment']

I'd take the reference. After all the superhero origin movies that have come out lately I think audiences could be origined out. Superman could set himself apart by only having a quick reference to the origin and getting straight to the action. Perhaps a deeper examination of the circumstances of his birth and/or childhood could be saved for sequels.

Remember the old Fleischer cartoons and how they captured the origin in every episode? That's kinda iconic and reminiscent of the introductory caption-box at the beginning of nearly every comic book. What if they took that route? Like TIH? The way they did it in Superman Returns was also similar, but would using it like that make people compare this to the last film?

[GreenKToo]

I'm good with whatever they decide, but i'd like to see them do the origin in the opening credits in a half comic book, half live action mix.

You have the pages of a comic open and you see mile high towers, lush greenery, weird animal life, small spacecraft/cars? zipping by here and there, but with real people walking in the fore and background, with a voice over by a famous actor.

He tells the story with each turn of the page, again with real people interacting with the CB art, and so on and so forth, we see the rocket launch of Kal-el, smallville, etc etc.

It would transition from the pages of a comic to all live action when clark arrives in metropolis and he looks up at the tall skyscrapers for the very first time.

[Peyton Westlake]

I really rather not see another 30-45 mins. of film watching the space craft crash to earth, baby Clark giggling, teen Clark leaping over cornfields, his HS years trying to fit in up to the Daily Planet.

Boring. Yaaaaaaawn. Been there seen that, can we just move on?

[Gabe99]

Christopher Nolan talks 'Dark Knight Rises' and says Henry Cavill is going to be 'amazing' as 'Superman' in Santa Barbara (http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/awards-campaign-2009/posts/christopher-nolan-talks-dark-knight-rises-and-says-henry-cavill-is-going-to-be-amazing-in-superman-in-santa-barbara)

While most of Hollywood was enjoying the 2011 SAG Awards Sunday evening, Christopher Nolan was being lauded at this year's Santa Barbara Film Festival where he was honored with the festival's Modern Master Award.

The "Inception" filmmaker, who was snubbed by his peers in the Academy's directing branch less than a week ago, seemed in good spirits as he engaged in a Q&A about his critically acclaimed thriller and his upcoming films "The Dark Knight Rises" and "Superman," which he is producing.

While Awards Campaign was back in LA with eyes glued to the SAG Awards, the always classy Pete Hammond reminded Nolan that he'd seemed set on ending his journey with the Caped Crusader after "The Dark Knight Returns." What changed his mind exactly?

"I think realy it was about finishing the story. For me it's about…knowing where I want to go with the thing and I think with Batman the story we're going to tell is Bruce Wayne's story. So, that's what gets me excited about getting back into something," Nolan says. "The sequel thing is rather interesting because there is a lot of comfort in the familiarity of it, but there is also a challenge of reinventing it for yourself as well as the audience. You just can't do the same things again. But once you start thinking about Bruce Wayne's story you want to see where that goes."

Nolan was also asked about his involvement on the new "Superman." He clearly wants everyone to know this is Snyder's movie -- a director looking out for another director -- but did sound like he's excited about the new Man of Steel.

"What I'm doing on that is that I hired a great director to take it on and it's more his problem than mine hopefully," Nolan says laughing. "I'm going to be very busy, but I'm super excited to watch Zack's movie when its done and I think Henry [Cavill] is going to be amazing."

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