Would you want an Animated Tie-in for Man of Steel?

[Daybreak_st]

I was just thinking if they're going with an already established Superman they could go the route of the Animatrix and Gotham Knight, by doing an animated tie-in for Superman.

It could follow the same format of multiple short stories designed to catch us all up on this new version of superman and some of his early adventures, etc.

It all depends on where the movie picks up, has he been superman a few years? Months? Days? or will the movie show him first arriving in metropolis?

While i hope the movie(s) eventually show us the final fate of krypton they could easily devout and entire segement of the animated tie-in to the final days of krypton and then another to his arrival/early years in smallville.

I don't know what do you guys think?

[Prison Mike]

I wouldn't mind an animated origin of this Superman leading up to the beginning of the live action film. The short story idea sounds pretty cool (I like Gotham Knight myself).

[BH/HHH]

Yeah an animated tie-in could be fun, I say go for it, maybe do what they did with Gotham Knight and have several animations done in various different styles.

[Webhead2006]

it would be a good way to go about things if there is totally no origin stuff seen ie krypton or smallville life. But since we dont really know how they will be taking characters yet. Like will it be a superman that has been around for a few yrs around and is a big name..... Then yes i would like to see a tie in. But if we are starting up with a fresh new superman maybe just newly starting to fight crime in the city and starting a life at the planet then no we dont really need a tie in.

[GreenKToo]

Yup. If its an established Superman film, then I want an animated film showing his origin.
You could show Krypton in all its glory, smallville scenes with him learning his powers, then on to traveling the world and eventually ending up at Metropolis.
And please, dont make it on the cheap ( Brainiac attacks)

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I want to see something like SW:CW

[GreenKToo]

There are all kinds of things you could do..like using the actual actors voices in the live action film in the animated film as well.
Also, Have things happen in the animated film that also have meaning in the live action film.. Like Luthor meeting Superman in the animated film for the first time and why he hates him so much.

[Daybreak_st]

Yup. If its an established Superman film, then I want an animated film showing his origin.
You could show Krypton in all its glory, smallville scenes with him learning his powers, then on to traveling the world and eventually ending up at Metropolis.
And please, dont make it on the cheap ( Brainiac attacks)


yeah i totally agree about the quality. Just look at the Animatrix and Batman: Gotham Knight, very high quality with solid animation from a variety of directors and studios, that would give it a really fresh feel imo as we haven't seen that treatment of supes before.

[Webhead2006]

well for me i still hope we get to see supes/lex first meet, and him starting life in metropolis and going public as supes. Then if their is anything for a prequel dtv thing it would be for krypton stuff. but if they cant really do krypton in live action i would figure it would be off limits in animated form too?

[BH/HHH]

Well since Superman: Doomsday all the DC DTV's have been good quality, in my opinion the best was Green Lantern that looked stunning.

[Sawyer]

I would love a animated DTV tie-in for the new movie. Hell, I'd love a new animated series too...

[Changeling]

I'd love a tie in. Hell, a new series would be even better.

[Michael Corleone]

I would love to see the Anime community take a crack at the character. Especially the different interpretations on the suit and personality.

[Changeling]

I dont like anime much at all. And havent seen Gotham Knight, so Id much rather see just a straight up DTV tie in

[Sawyer]

I think Anime works much better with Batman than it would with Superman, but maybe that's just me. If there was to be an animated prequel to the reboot, I'd much rather it be in traditional animation, like the recent DC Universe DTVs.

[Changeling]

Agreed, Sawyer

[Michael Corleone]

I dont like anime much at all. And havent seen Gotham Knight, so Id much rather see just a straight up DTV tie in

To be perfectly honest the DC Animated Universe stuff is awful. It's cheap and easy and that's why they use it. There hasn't been any growth in their style for some time and what little changes they make it usually ends up making it worse. They certainly can't hold a candle to the experimentation with CG and traditional animation. While the stories have been decent, the animation has been sub par and resting on past accomplishments.

[Changeling]

I agree with the animation. Apparently theres gonna be a GL cgi show in 2011 so maybe they could use that style

[Changeling]

I agree with the animation. Apparently theres gonna be a GL cgi show in 2011 so maybe they could use that style

[Michael Corleone]

I agree with the animation. Apparently theres gonna be a GL cgi show in 2011 so maybe they could use that style

I mean don't get me wrong I appreciate what they have done, but it really is done from an economical point of view rather than pushing the style of their animation. The biggest leap coming with the Last Frontier film. It made a nice effort to adopt the style of Cooke's work.

Gotham Knight was great simply because I enjoy seeing the different interpretations each animator comes up with. It's outside the safe zone and yes some fail, but some also succeed and that's what I like to see. It's a way to explore the more extreme deviations of the character without doing so for the sake of change.

[Alonsovich]

It's not that I want it... there IS going to be one...:o

[Daybreak_st]

I mean don't get me wrong I appreciate what they have done, but it really is done from an economical point of view rather than pushing the style of their animation. The biggest leap coming with the Last Frontier film. It made a nice effort to adopt the style of Cooke's work.

Gotham Knight was great simply because I enjoy seeing the different interpretations each animator comes up with. It's outside the safe zone and yes some fail, but some also succeed and that's what I like to see. It's a way to explore the more extreme deviations of the character without doing so for the sake of change.


I loved the style in Green Lantern first flight and the latest movie Crisis on Earth 2, but i agree, i'd love to see Krypton done with an anime style. I really enjoyed artistically Gotham Knight the most, but i'm big into animation too so maybe that's why.

[SuperMike335!!]

I'd love a tie in. Hell, a new series would be even better.

Big yes! :woot:

[Kryptonian Warrior]

I personally think that it would be a "swell" idea.:woot: They could touch on the origin in the animated movie, plus have Routh voice Ck/SM, and then the live action movie could be from the time that he starts with the Daily Planet. I dunno how they will do it, but I think that it's inevitable that it will happen.

[Webhead2006]

I doubt they would do that, if there was an animated tie in thing, it would probably use who ever is cast in the film. Though as i said i would like a tie to show origins if there is totally no origin stuff told in this reboot at all. But if we do get a few details on origin stuff in the film. Then i dont really see the need for it.

[nogap87]

To be perfectly honest the DC Animated Universe stuff is awful. It's cheap and easy and that's why they use it. There hasn't been any growth in their style for some time and what little changes they make it usually ends up making it worse. They certainly can't hold a candle to the experimentation with CG and traditional animation. While the stories have been decent, the animation has been sub par and resting on past accomplishments.

I'm also tired of the DC Animated Style. It was great years ago when Batman and Superman were the primary heroes but once JL and especially JLU got started I quickly grew tired of all the heroes and villains having the same exact body structure. I know it would have cost a bit more chedder but it would have been cool the see Supes as the big guy, Bats more sleeker, flash slimmer with toned legs, etcetera. It would have added an extra layer of personality to the characters (at least visually).

Sidenote: I think the people who made gurren lagann could make a spectacular Green Lantern anime.

[Webhead2006]

well yea the timm verse had that unique look for there characters. I didnt mind it at all. But with the new DTV its nice to see a vast differences in character designs all these DTV has had their own looks.

[BH/HHH]

well yea the timm verse had that unique look for there characters. I didnt mind it at all. But with the new DTV its nice to see a vast differences in character designs all these DTV has had their own looks.

Exacty well said mate

[Webhead2006]

Totally i am always down for seeing many different types of animation styles. sure i have my perferences to certain ones and dislikes to others. But i am willing to check something different out and see how it works for me. Like for example i loved timm's work, but i didnt like how the teen titans cartoon was drawn.

[BH/HHH]

Totally i am always down for seeing many different types of animation styles. sure i have my perferences to certain ones and dislikes to others. But i am willing to check something different out and see how it works for me. Like for example i loved timm's work, but i didnt like how the teen titans cartoon was drawn.

Its like for example JL: the New Frontier and GL: First Flight two different styles but both contain the GL origin and I love them both. The best one by far for me has been Superman/Batman: Public Enemies.

[nogap87]

I added most of the DC direct-to-dvds on my Netflix so I will see them eventually. I appreciate the fact that they changed the style from Timm's.

[SuperMike335!!]

I added most of the DC direct-to-dvds on my Netflix so I will see them eventually. I appreciate the fact that they changed the style from Timm's.

I think Timm is still producing them, they just changed the art style from the BTAS thru JLU series.

I too am glad they are now mixing up the art style, different takes and looks.

[nogap87]

I think Timm is still producing them, they just changed the art style from the BTAS thru JLU series.

I too am glad they are now mixing up the art style, different takes and looks.

Not surprising since he's been a major part of WB superhero animation for so long. As long as new people get their time to shine I will be happy. Timm is great but by the end of JLU I was bored with all the barrel chested designs and his Batman eventually fell into the Batgod stereotype which was a shame since his (and Dini's) Batman was at one point the best representation of the character.

[Sub-Zero]

hmmm...i'm all for an animated tie-in, but only if it sucks. think about it. wb has a weird track record for it's animated tie-ins. the animatrix was great, but the matrix reloaded, not so much. gotham knight, lame. tdk, amazing. if the man of steel tie-in is lame, could the man of steel film be as good as tdk, or even batman begins?

[SuperMike335!!]

Not surprising since he's been a major part of WB superhero animation for so long. As long as new people get their time to shine I will be happy. Timm is great but by the end of JLU I was bored with all the barrel chested designs and his Batman eventually fell into the Batgod stereotype which was a shame since his (and Dini's) Batman was at one point the best representation of the character.

Yeah, I liked the more human version of Batman from season 1-3 of BTAS.
Later on he did seem to have a bit too much knowing of what was going on. Too resourceful, too confident.

I distinctly remember him several times falling, or failing on the 1-3 seasons and showing concern in his face. He would sometimes show the emotion of fear. I mean he would overcome it fast, but he seemed a bit more human.

Later when he became uber bats, in JLA season2, or JLU (I forget which one exactly), there is a scene where he is falling from the BatJet having been blown up, and he calmly says into his radio mic, "I'm falling...and I cannot fly...at all."

In that moment he did not seem like the same Batman from season 1-3 of BTAS.

That one would have at the least had some emotion about what was happening in his voice.

[SuperDaniel]

I want to see an animated Superman movie dedicated to his world travels before he dons the costume. That would be cool to see.

[nogap87]

Yeah, I liked the more human version of Batman from season 1-3 of BTAS.

I distinctly remember him several times falling, or failing on the 1-3 seasons and showing concern in his face. He would sometimes show the emotion of fear. I mean he would overcome it fast, but he seemed a bit more human.

I really missed that Batman. By the end of JLU Bats could casually beat up supervillains alongside Superman, speak random languages, and survived situations that should have killed him without explaining how he did it. I was so glad when Amanda Waller came along and knocked him down a couple notches.

I probably wouldn't have minded Batgod too much if it weren't for the fact that Superman was getting his ass handed to him with disturbing frequency during the first couple of seasons of JL.

[Webhead2006]

well didnt they want to depower superman a bit during jl so it would make having the whole team more important. Cause if superman is so uber he could take out all the threats alone in mere seconds.

[nogap87]

I've never been a fan of depowering characters so that other characters can seem better/more important. That's partly why I stopped reading Spider-man a couple of years ago.

[Webhead2006]

yea i rather each guy be their defined power sets and finding a way to make it work.

[Nightwing1977]

Sure, why not? :)

A new cartoon series as some of you guys mention is needed. Supes hasn't got his own show in 10 yrs., while Batman got several since Batman Begins came out. :( :(

[Webhead2006]

well just like with all the legal stuff for movie, they probably dont want to do a cartoon show and get tangled up with legal stuff and all that.

[BH/HHH]

Sure, why not? :)

A new cartoon series as some of you guys mention is needed. Supes hasn't got his own show in 10 yrs., while Batman got several since Batman Begins came out. :( :(

Well there was Superman and the Legion of Superheroes but yeah as he hasnt had a solo show. Wonder if SR's had done better and had a sequel if they would have made a cartoon series.

[Daybreak_st]

well just like with all the legal stuff for movie, they probably dont want to do a cartoon show and get tangled up with legal stuff and all that.


I think the issue with the case has a lot more to do with the early days of the character than what he's grown into. They could easily do a new series that picks up during his first few years as a hero, etc. Like "The Batman" cartoon. Also BTAS only showed his full origin in "Mask of the Phantasm" so you don't have to go back to his origin in an animated series.

That being said, i doubt they'd start a new series until after the new film is out and well recieved. Also the idea of this thread is more about an animated tie-in to the movie which could explore a whole lot of territory that shouldn't be affected by the lawsuit.

[BH/HHH]

I think the issue with the case has a lot more to do with the early days of the character than what he's grown into. They could easily do a new series that picks up during his first few years as a hero, etc. Like "The Batman" cartoon. Also BTAS only showed his full origin in "Mask of the Phantasm" so you don't have to go back to his origin in an animated series.

That being said, i doubt they'd start a new series until after the new film is out and well recieved. Also the idea of this thread is more about an animated tie-in to the movie which could explore a whole lot of territory that shouldn't be affected by the lawsuit.

Yeah a series would only be greenlit if the film did well and merchandise sales did aswell.

[Webhead2006]

though if the legal stuff blocks film stuff, it probably prevents them from having it in animated stuff too i would figure. Talking about origin stuff the heirs have rights too.

[Daybreak_st]

Good point, hadn't thought about that.

[solidsnake86]

I think the animated tie-ins are great if done properly. I know davidtyler wants to see krypton especially the jor-el stuff and I think thats one way the animated stuff can touch on things that aren't necessarily critical to the story that the movie is telling but are interesting none the less. Once again, it depends what the movie is about but I definately think a tie in is a great idea.

[Webhead2006]

totally solidsnake.

[batlovescatDC]

I think that the reason why Gotham Knight worked so well is because it was released to coincide with The Dark Knight and not Batman Begins. Also, Animatrix was with along with the Matrix sequels as well and not the beginning of the trilogy. If they would do an animated tie in to the new Superman series then I think that they should wait until the follow up or atleast wait until after the first film is released and then do a kind of animated follow up that won't really effect however they wanna go with the story for the live action sequel.

[db85usa]

I doubt they would do that, if there was an animated tie in thing, it would probably use who ever is cast in the film. Though as i said i would like a tie to show origins if there is totally no origin stuff told in this reboot at all. But if we do get a few details on origin stuff in the film. Then i dont really see the need for it.

I doubt they will do it also. But it would be incredible and epic as hell if there was a tie in, in the same manner of The Animatrix with complete CGI. They did use the voices of Carrie-Anne Moss, Keanu Reeves, and Lawrence Fishburne. It was awesome. Although the idea of this happening for Superman is highly unlikely.

[Daybreak_st]

I'm also tired of the DC Animated Style. It was great years ago when Batman and Superman were the primary heroes but once JL and especially JLU got started I quickly grew tired of all the heroes and villains having the same exact body structure. I know it would have cost a bit more chedder but it would have been cool the see Supes as the big guy, Bats more sleeker, flash slimmer with toned legs, etcetera. It would have added an extra layer of personality to the characters (at least visually).

Sidenote: I think the people who made gurren lagann could make a spectacular Green Lantern anime.

Yeah the styles in the animated DTVs are a vast improvement over the TVseries. Just take a look at the designs for the latest film, Crisis on Two Earths:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2743/jlcrisisdesignslineupby.jpg

Compared to the Justice League season 2:

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9741/jludesign.jpg

[GreenKToo]

Up in the top pic WW looks like she could take em' all on herself. And MM? wow, very tall.
I like.

[epc11223]

Yeah the styles in the animated DTVs are a vast improvement over the TVseries. Just take a look at the designs for the latest film, Crisis on Two Earths:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2743/jlcrisisdesignslineupby.jpg

Compared to the Justice League season 2:

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9741/jludesign.jpg


hey, nice find! where did you get the character model sheets for the crisis of two earths dvd? do you also have the character sheet for the superman/batman dtv?

[Daybreak_st]

I found the model sheets here: http://phillybee.deviantart.com/gallery/

he's one of the concept artist for the project. I've seen the Wonder Woman model sheets on Lauren Montgomery's Deviant page and her blog (a few of the female characters like Bootika, from the GL movie are on there too:

http://laurenmontgomery.blogspot.com/

http://notthepornstar.deviantart.com/gallery/

[epc11223]

thanks, appreciate it!

[Daybreak_st]

I think that the reason why Gotham Knight worked so well is because it was released to coincide with The Dark Knight and not Batman Begins. Also, Animatrix was with along with the Matrix sequels as well and not the beginning of the trilogy. If they would do an animated tie in to the new Superman series then I think that they should wait until the follow up or atleast wait until after the first film is released and then do a kind of animated follow up that won't really effect however they wanna go with the story for the live action sequel.


Good point. I think Superman is a little different however than the others you mentioned, he only recently had a film in 2006, and currently has a long running tv series about his early adventures. I'd think if they want even more buzz around the new film an animated tie-in would work well, get people excited about it. It's Superman so you know people will be interested. And SR wasn't as bad as BAtman and Robin which left such a bad taste in peoples mouths that another live action film seemed impossible. With SR the GA may still be expecting some sort of sequel. An animated tie-in to the new film could help establish the new status quo for the film.

[Webhead2006]

if they did any animated tie in stuff it would be curious to see what they would do. but with all the legal stuff it would probably limit if it was more krypton stuff and other things the heirs have rights too. But i still hope between now and when ever the reboot does come out. To maybe the legal stuff could be settled.

[solidsnake86]

I remember reading that the superman doomsday dvd sold really well so I would imagine it would be a no brainer to have an animated tie-in. Plus depending on how they do the movie, for instance an established superman, they could always show krypton and his origins in an animated tie-in written by goyer or something.

[nogap87]

Yeah the styles in the animated DTVs are a vast improvement over the TVseries. Just take a look at the designs for the latest film, Crisis on Two Earths:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2743/jlcrisisdesignslineupby.jpg

Compared to the Justice League season 2:

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9741/jludesign.jpg

Vast improvement indeed. The JL season 2 versions look so stiff and lifeless compared to the Crisis on Two Earths versions. Love the skinny yet toned Flash.

[Mace Dolex]

If they were to still use Bruce Timm's caveman character designs then I prefer not seeing an animated tie-in or TV show. They should go with the Public Enemies look.

[Webhead2006]

well as i pointed out if its true we cant really have any krypton stuff due to what ever krypton stuff the siegels have rights to right now. it might not be able to do that. though i really hope the legal stuff will get settled sooner. So then any darn deals can get put in place for wb/dc to use everything to full potential and all that. Also as i said over in a few threads, i really do hope we have at least a few origin stuff thrown into this new film. cause it would be foolished to not have anything and really start out with a superman in action for x number of yrs or soemthing like that.

[Daybreak_st]

If they were to still use Bruce Timm's caveman character designs then I prefer not seeing an animated tie-in or TV show. They should go with the Public Enemies look.


I doubt there's any real chance of his style coming back, they haven't used it in the last few years anyway. I think his style was developed similar to the new spidey animated series, in an effort to simplify the characters to make animation easier/smoother while still maintaining good action. It was practical for an animated series but the new DTVs have a much higher quality. If they do a tie-in i'm hoping it will use multiple styles for multiple stories, my favorite style is the one above from Crisis and from Green Lantern.

[Webhead2006]

yea timm's art style and world is likely never going to be seen a gain. I believe he has stated in recent interviews for the DTV he has been apart on that WB premire/wb has no interest in going back into that world.