One thing they need to get right......

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

.......is, and for me this is an essential part of the character, the epicness of the character. Superman has an epicness about him that very few other characters can replicate, only 3 spring to mind for me (Hulk, Silver Surfer, Optimus Prime).

It as essential as the Kents to Superman for me and its something that always comes through in the best Superman stories, this epicness is the thing that makes the hairs stand up on the back of your neck when you are reading about/watching the character and they need to get this right.

Even in Superman Returns, in parts, they got the epicness of the character, the plane scene, the re-charge above the clouds and the lifting of New Krypton spring to mind as the scene's that show the epicness of the character, we need these type of scene's in the new Superman movie as stuff like this is what makes the character different to the likes of Batman, Spiderman, Wolverine, et al.

Anyone else agree?

[X Knight]

I agree.

Also, Superman, by his very nature, is the one (solo) hero best equipped to deal with epic threats. Villains that threaten not just a single city ( ala Batman or Spiderman ) but the entire planet. Of course, I'm talking about the big guns like Darseid, Imperiax, Braniac......even Zod.

With the reports that they might be going with Braniac in the next film, hopefully that's the direction they're leaning towards....

[Webhead2006]

i agree their should be a good epicness to him and what he does.

[SuperDaniel]

Bah. Epic is not enough, IMO. They just need to understand who the character is in his core.

I`d give a copy of Superman for all seasons first and foremost.

[ChickenScratch]

- The flying has to look spectacular. To me Superman movies should always stand head and shoulders above every other super hero movie in every aspect. One of those is the flying. The Donner version made you believe a man can fly, Singer did well for much of it but other times it looked really fake. You should truly believe it, you should fly with him and be pulled into the experience of flight.

- Superman should be portrayed as the most honorable, noble and chivalrous person ever. He's both and inspirational and aspirational figure for everyone. People should want to follow his example, he should be as faultless as an angel.

- Superman and the kids! To me there's nothing cooler than seeing Superman and children, in the movies, cartoons or even guys in real life dressed as Superman. There's an effect he has on children because they know he's good, honest, noble, strong and trustworthy. This goes back to my previous point of being an inspirational figure.

[X Knight]

Bah. Epic is not enough, IMO. They just need to understand who the character is in his core.

I`d give a copy of Superman for all seasons first and foremost.

well.....they need to do both.

For All Seasons is one of my favorites because it is such a character-driven story, instead of the usual hero vs. villain epic battle. And I really hope they incorporate elements of that into the next film.

But, would that alone work on the big screen?

No.

Indeed, that was one of the major complaints with SR. It focused too much on story and drama ( although many would argue on the wrong story ) and was light on the action. Namely.....the epic battle between superpowered hero and superpowered villain action.

Even WB has recognized that. So, for the next film, I'm sure they will want to up the action with epic battle scenes.

OTOH.....what we don't want is what we got with Transformers....where it's non-stop action and explosions with little plot and character development.

We need both in the next film.....

[SuperDaniel]

The flying in Superman Returns SUCKED, IMO.

This is a step in the right direction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sesqrpseNAg

[X Knight]

The flying in Superman Returns SUCKED, IMO.

This is a step in the right direction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sesqrpseNAg

y'know....they really do need to evoke the uplifting, joyful, and liberating feeling of being able to fly.

They need to make the audience FEEL that as Superman flies.

[Bad Superman]

.......is, and for me this is an essential part of the character, the epicness of the character. Superman has an epicness about him that very few other characters can replicate, only 3 spring to mind for me (Hulk, Silver Surfer, Optimus Prime).

It as essential as the Kents to Superman for me and its something that always comes through in the best Superman stories, this epicness is the thing that makes the hairs stand up on the back of your neck when you are reading about/watching the character and they need to get this right.

Even in Superman Returns, in parts, they got the epicness of the character, the plane scene, the re-charge above the clouds and the lifting of New Krypton spring to mind as the scene's that show the epicness of the character, we need these type of scene's in the new Superman movie as stuff like this is what makes the character different to the likes of Batman, Spiderman, Wolverine, et al.

Anyone else agree?

I know what you mean and I agree. Hey, Supes is the grandaddy of all super heroes.

[FlawlessVictory]

The flying in Superman Returns SUCKED, IMO.

This is a step in the right direction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sesqrpseNAg

Wow. Enjoyed that more than any of the flying scenes done in SR.

[ChickenScratch]

That flying clip was sweet! I think Superman's flying is the thing they need to pay the most attention to. It has to be awe inspiring. You've got to feel like you are there with him, or just barely keeping up. The camera's got to follow him, fall back, turn around his body and in many cases be just left the hell behind when he kicks into high gear.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

- The flying has to look spectacular. To me Superman movies should always stand head and shoulders above every other super hero movie in every aspect. One of those is the flying. The Donner version made you believe a man can fly, Singer did well for much of it but other times it looked really fake. You should truly believe it, you should fly with him and be pulled into the experience of flight.

- Superman should be portrayed as the most honorable, noble and chivalrous person ever. He's both and inspirational and aspirational figure for everyone. People should want to follow his example, he should be as faultless as an angel.

- Superman and the kids! To me there's nothing cooler than seeing Superman and children, in the movies, cartoons or even guys in real life dressed as Superman. There's an effect he has on children because they know he's good, honest, noble, strong and trustworthy. This goes back to my previous point of being an inspirational figure.

Agree with all of this, Superman should inspire awe in everything he does, its what makes him Superman, this is the epicness of the characer I was talking about in my first post.

[BH/HHH]

The next Superman for sure has to be epic, my brother hated SR and that was his first reaction not epic enough. You should leave a Superman film thinking WOW.

[S.A.A.D.]

You're right he needs to be epic,really epic that is. He needs to knock out baddies with one punches,thrown them into buildings and other stuff making them break,and use some special moves in ways we haven't seen before. Kicks into things,really good kicks that will actually hurt them you know,far away ones,his flying style has to be different too.

[Motown Marvel]

internet has killed the word epic. it no longer has any meaning to me. everyone stop using it please. thanks. the more you know...

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The next Superman for sure has to be epic, my brother hated SR and that was his first reaction not epic enough. You should leave a Superman film thinking WOW.

I thought in some scene's SR got the epicness of the character spot on, it just wasnt in the movie often enough.

[Superman Prime]

internet has killed the word epic. it no longer has any meaning to me. everyone stop using it please. thanks. the more you know...

Agreed.

Instead of saying Superman should be "epic". . . I'll say that he needs to be "larger than life" and "majestic".

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Agreed.

Instead of saying Superman should be "epic". . . I'll say that he needs to be "larger than life" and "majestic".

I pretty much meant it needs all of those things, it should be awe inspiring, you should come out of the movie uplifted at witnessing what Superman has done.

[Superman Prime]

Yep. I'm looking to be blown away by awesome, and uplifted too.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yep. I'm looking to be blown away by awesome, and uplifted too.

They need to do it in a way that only Superman can do though, constantly when reading the comic books or watching the movies do the hairs on the back of my neck stand up, the new movie needs to do this for everyone, its needs to be the scene in SR were Superman flies above the clouds to re-charge in the sun spread over 2 hours.

[JStorm]

Less is more.

Singer would have had it right, save for the kid and Luthor (the character, not Spacey).

The tone of the film, style, acting, etc was great. If he would have gotten off of Donner's penis for a second, then it could have been big.

Less is more. Had that style been wrapped around a decent story, Brainiac, or whomever. . save for the f'ing kid. . things would have been on the up.


He flys. He fights. He loves Lois. He saves the world. End movie.


If one needs history on these ideals, pick up a comic.

[X Knight]

I'm sorry, I just couldn't resist......with all this talk of epic this epic that.....I've always wanted to say this................

EPIC FAIL!!

:woot::oldrazz::oldrazz::oldrazz:

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand or this thread.......but I just couldn't resist.......:woot:

ok.....you may now carry on the conversation as usual......

[Daybreak_st]

I just hope they get the tone right. Make it fun and interesting to watch. Iron Man got it right in spades, interesting characters, great effects, fun to watch, it can't put into words how much fun it was to watch him fly for the first time (in the Mach 2 armor), that's the kind of stuff i want out of my superman, something serious enough for adults to enjoy but also something you can take your kids to see.

Also the lois and clark element has got to be interesting to watch, something you can invest your emotions into and enjoy watching their interaction. If they can make all the daily planet staff interesting to watch with a special focus on lois and clark while making the movie fun and enjoyable i think they'll have a winning combination.

[Webhead2006]

totally i hope they do it right this time. sueprman being a symbol of hope and inspires folks. Also i agree flying definately needs to look alot better now. actually have a guy in rigs and all that, and not cgi it much.

[Robin91939]

I don't want Superman more unflawed than an angel.

I want him to be conflicted to stay the course that he knows is right. Here is a guy who has more power than anything in the world and wants to save the world. He could do it--usually easily. It is his conflict to do it without crossing the line and hurting anyone or exacting his "own" breed of justice but by leaving that role to those who should. He shouldn't be self righteous. He should understand how incredible he is, and it should be a burden on him that he could save the world from pain and suffering if he did act God-like, but refuses to do so.

This touches on the "they are a great people Kal-el they wish to be, they only lack the light to show the way". He could just do it for them, but needs to struggle to only be an example and not a cure all.

He also has to struggle with how much power he has, displayed best in his fight with Darkseid in Justice League: Unlimited.

-R

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I just hope they get the tone right. Make it fun and interesting to watch. Iron Man got it right in spades, interesting characters, great effects, fun to watch, it can't put into words how much fun it was to watch him fly for the first time (in the Mach 2 armor), that's the kind of stuff i want out of my superman, something serious enough for adults to enjoy but also something you can take your kids to see.

Also the lois and clark element has got to be interesting to watch, something you can invest your emotions into and enjoy watching their interaction. If they can make all the daily planet staff interesting to watch with a special focus on lois and clark while making the movie fun and enjoyable i think they'll have a winning combination.

I sort of agree with the bolded, but at the same, Iron Man (that scene included) just didnt have the epic feel a Superman movie should, nothing in Iron Man had me in as much awe as I was in that single scene in SR when Superman fly's above the clouds to bath himself in sunlight, THIS is the type of thing a Superman movie needs, SR just didnt have enough of it.

I don't want Superman more unflawed than an angel.

I want him to be conflicted to stay the course that he knows is right. Here is a guy who has more power than anything in the world and wants to save the world. He could do it--usually easily. It is his conflict to do it without crossing the line and hurting anyone or exacting his "own" breed of justice but by leaving that role to those who should. He shouldn't be self righteous. He should understand how incredible he is, and it should be a burden on him that he could save the world from pain and suffering if he did act God-like, but refuses to do so.

This touches on the "they are a great people Kal-el they wish to be, they only lack the light to show the way". He could just do it for them, but needs to struggle to only be an example and not a cure all.

He also has to struggle with how much power he has, displayed best in his fight with Darkseid in Justice League: Unlimited.

-R

:up: This is all spot on, you should know you are in the presence of someone who is practically a god, yet he acts as humans SHOULD, giving of fthe perfect example to the rest of humanity, the 'light to show the way' so to speak.

[BH/HHH]

When i say it needs to be epic, I mean the film has to be epic it has to blow you away, it doesnt mean Superman has to be unstoppable or even too powerful it just means the film has to grip you, excite you and leave you feeling satisfied at the end.

[Daybreak_st]

I sort of agree with the bolded, but at the same, Iron Man (that scene included) just didnt have the epic feel a Superman movie should, nothing in Iron Man had me in as much awe as I was in that single scene in SR when Superman fly's above the clouds to bath himself in sunlight, THIS is the type of thing a Superman movie needs, SR just didnt have enough of it.



I agree, Superman should be above Iron Man. I was just talking about the fun aspect. The scene in superman returns was powerful but not fun, and that's fine b/c i'm sure that's what they were going for. I'm saying the GA also wants to have fun with this type of movie. I for one want to enjoy the adventure aspect of the character, to feel like i'm flying with superman and seeing how much he enjoys it. That's the sort of thing i think would really connect with an audience.

SR had too much reverence for the ideal of the character and not enough, personality. It attempted to leave you in awe but just wound up boring a lot of people. I just think they need to set the right balance. Star Trek is another good example. it had it fun/exciting moments but also it's serious character moments. Superman needs a similar treatment. It needs to certainly be epic but it needs to be fun and feature characters the audience can care about/enjoy watching ala Lois and Clark.

[Daybreak_st]

This is the kind of thing i'd love to see on the big screen, epic and fun:

Here's a few things i'd like to see on screen:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5296/clarkinafrica.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8009/clarkinafrica02.jpg

[BH/HHH]

Daybreak_st I agree that would be a great scene.

I wish they'd have adapted Birthright (not everything in it but most everything) into a film instead of making Superman Returns.

[elgaz]

I agree that Superman needs to look epic on screen. The audience needs to be in awe of what he can do, as the biggest and best of all heroes. How to achieve that is the question - there's no single easy answer. Whoever makes the film will have to make wonders of everything he does - the flying, the heroics, the action, his nobility. It's all about the presentation.

Singer let the flying down big time by relying too much on below-par CGi. When you take away the believability of the scene, it loses all impact. Whereas the Donner Superman, which came almost 30 years before Singer's, may have relied on wires and camera tricks, but at least we believed that really was Reeve up there.

I also think for sheer epic-ness, we need to see Superman getting angry in the new film. Not angry in a bad way ............i.e. losing his control or his temper with an innocent ................ but angry in a good way, e.g. he's about to deliver a massive beatdown to some villain who has just threatened Earth.

The one scene which still makes the hairs stand on my neck from the original Superman movie is this one, where Superman sobs quietly for a few seconds as he struggles to accept that Lois is dead .................... before unleashing his anger and frustration in one scream and flying towards space. It may not be as iconic as some other superman scenes/images, but I remember being wowed by the sheer virtue of this massively powerful being suddenly just losing it and deciding to change history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCsHTNP2MaU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCsHTNP2MaU)

[SuperMike335!!]

The one scene which still makes the hairs stand on my neck from the original Superman movie is this one, where Superman sobs quietly for a few seconds as he struggles to accept that Lois is dead .................... before unleashing his anger and frustration in one scream and flying towards space. It may not be as iconic as some other superman scenes/images, but I remember being wowed by the sheer virtue of this massively powerful being suddenly just losing it and deciding to change history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCsHTNP2MaU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCsHTNP2MaU)

That was a great show in range of emotion. That is the far end of grief.

I do not envy anyone who has to try to follow that.

[Webhead2006]

totally i hope we get the right tone, feel, and look for the film. I agree do more physical shooting for things then relying on cgi for things. Like flying should be the actual actors in wires and all that. Not relying on a full cgi creation.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree, Superman should be above Iron Man. I was just talking about the fun aspect. The scene in superman returns was powerful but not fun, and that's fine b/c i'm sure that's what they were going for. I'm saying the GA also wants to have fun with this type of movie. I for one want to enjoy the adventure aspect of the character, to feel like i'm flying with superman and seeing how much he enjoys it. That's the sort of thing i think would really connect with an audience.

SR had too much reverence for the ideal of the character and not enough, personality. It attempted to leave you in awe but just wound up boring a lot of people. I just think they need to set the right balance. Star Trek is another good example. it had it fun/exciting moments but also it's serious character moments. Superman needs a similar treatment. It needs to certainly be epic but it needs to be fun and feature characters the audience can care about/enjoy watching ala Lois and Clark.

Definately, there are characters I prefer to Superman, but Superman as a character just has something about him that other characters cant touch and simply dont have, no matter how much they try. And it is evident in everything Superman does, from comics to movies, you can notice it.

This is something they really need to pay attention to, as it is as an important part of the character as his beliefs and background IMO.

[TheLongestDay]

The flying in Superman Returns SUCKED, IMO.

This is a step in the right direction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sesqrpseNAg

I agree..and that vid is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow. Enjoyed that more than any of the flying scenes done in SR.

Same here!

[Superman Prime]

This is off topic, but someone did post a Birthright pic.

Does anyone know why that was retconned out as Superman's canon origins? Curious.

[Webhead2006]

that is a good question. Though there has been multi origins since the bryne one so it was pretty common thing for DC to be doing right?

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This is off topic, but someone did post a Birthright pic.

Does anyone know why that was retconned out as Superman's canon origins? Curious.

Not sure why, but I personally really enjoyed it, thought it was a great origin story, and the ending was very emotional, would make a great movie IMO.

[BH/HHH]

Not sure why, but I personally really enjoyed it, thought it was a great origin story, and the ending was very emotional, would make a great movie IMO.

I agree, its so enjoyable, would have made a superb origin movie.

I think Routh would have been great in a Superman Birthright movie.

[Daybreak_st]

Found this on wikipedia regarding birthright:

Removal
The Infinite Crisis (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Infinite_Crisis) storyline altered Superman's early history so that Birthright and John Byrne's The Man of Steel (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/The_Man_of_Steel_(comics)) mini-series were removed as Superman's canonical origin. This was reinforced by then-monthly Superman (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Superman_(comic_book)) writer Kurt Busiek (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Kurt_Busiek)'s statement that the post-Infinite Crisis (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Infinite_Crisis) Superman's origin had yet to be established.[4] (http://forums.superherohype.com/#cite_note-3) The new origin is currently being shown in the Superman: Secret Origin (http://forums.superherohype.com/wiki/Superman:_Secret_Origin) mini-series.[5] (http://forums.superherohype.com/#cite_note-4)


You can read the rest of the article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman:_Birthright

[Lighthouse]

Couldn't care less about how Birthright or Man of Steel work as cannon or continuity. One of the reasons I don't read(and really dislike) most comic titles is because they are so hung up on boring, convoluted continuity. Books like Y the Last Man and Preacher are different because they have endings and are in their own self-contained universes, but with DC and Marvel, there are hundreds issues with multiple titles, multiple writers with different writing styles in one big cluster**** of continuity. I hate it. DC showed real promise with the All-Star line. Writers just writing the best damn story they can without being hamstrung by continuity. Instead, they just decided to abandon it.

I don't care if Birthright is a cannon or not. I think it's a pretty great Superman story.

[Daybreak_st]

I agree about Birthright being great whether its cannon or not.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

y'know....they really do need to evoke the uplifting, joyful, and liberating feeling of being able to fly.

They need to make the audience FEEL that as Superman flies.
Tell me this won't be the toyota err honda commercial again? Bah I recognize the link w/o clicking on it. I've been around the forums too long :o

[Webhead2006]

that was a pretty good flying in that commerical though. Heck i was watching hook earlier in the evening on abc family and for a film from the early 90s. the flying with pan was very good for its time.

[LostSon88]

The flying in Superman Returns SUCKED, IMO.

This is a step in the right direction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sesqrpseNAg

Wow...I wholeheartedly agree. That was above and beyond anything they showed in SR. I could totally see something like this in a Smallville flashback sequence.

This clip really makes you feel like you're flying with the person. :up:

[Webhead2006]

yea i hope they make flying look real great next time.

[Daybreak_st]

DId you guys see the new iron man trailer? :wow: The production on Superman is going to have to be TOP NOTCH, bc that movie looks so crazy amazing it's hard to put into words! Also you know the acting is gonna be great so yeah, hopefully the superman folks will remember this is a new age of comicbook cinema, either bring your A game or don't come at all.

[ChickenScratch]

Right. Superman's gotta be bigger, better and more spectacular than any other superhero on screen, just like he is in comics. To me a Superman movie should always be mind blowing, like when the first Donner film came out.

[Webhead2006]

totally agree there. with these films these days toping with story/special effects. i hope they can hit it out of the park for superman this next time. Also get good sfx and make it look real. The sfx in SR was very terrible compared to some of the other films that were out that yr or year later.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree, its so enjoyable, would have made a superb origin movie.

I think Routh would have been great in a Superman Birthright movie.

Totally agreed, bit gutted they didnt do that back in 2006 now even though I love SR, but it would have been a great jumping off point for a great Superman series.

Right. Superman's gotta be bigger, better and more spectacular than any other superhero on screen, just like he is in comics. To me a Superman movie should always be mind blowing, like when the first Donner film came out.

Exactly, this is the 'epicness' of the character I am talking about, when you think of Superman with other heroes you should think how they arent as good as him, or as noble, he should be above and beyond anyone or anything else.

[Webhead2006]

i just hope they wont make any stupid mistakes this time.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

To be honest I dont think they made THAT many mistakes last time, they got far more right than wrong IMO, but it seemed those mistakes were too much in the eyes of many fans.

If they are going to make mistakes, which they will as no movie is perfect, they need to make sure they arent major ones, which is a tough act to juggle.

[Daybreak_st]

I think the big they got wrong last time was tone. It wasn't a fun movie to watch. If they get the tone right first, make it fun and enjoyable, exciting/adventerous etc., and write a great story, i think the audience will forgive any mistakes they make, primarily b/c they'll still enjoy just watching the movie, and they'll leave the theatre with great feeling.

[Webhead2006]

well i do hope they do get the right tone, feel and scope for the character.

[nogap87]

I have no problem with Superman being an inspiration and loved by the public. I just hope they remember that they're making a movie about a superhero and not a Jesus-in-tights flick.

The scene where Superman reveals himself to the city by saving Lois and the helicoptor in the first Superman movie is still my favorite scene from any superhero movie. If they can replicate the excitement and wonder of that scene for a whole 2hrs than the next movie will be fine.

[SuperDaniel]

They made 3 HUGE mistakes in SR. Superman, Lois and Luthor. Superman wasn`t fun to see, put in the middle of a family crisis with no resolution so you end up feeling sorry for him. (you just don`t deal with a theme like this in a Superman movie, period!) ; Lois was just Lana from Smallville, no spunk, whinney and portrayed badly; and Luthor was just the Donner Luthor i hate so much. Basically, the whole movie. Hero and his quest+ love interest + villain

2 good things came from it: Brandon Routh who unfortunately won`t be used in the new movie which is a shame and waste.

and the NOLAN REBOOT.

BRING IT ON!

[Webhead2006]

Totally there was alot wrong with SR for me as a superman fan. I cant wait to see how nolans/goyer will handle things now.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think the big they got wrong last time was tone. It wasn't a fun movie to watch. If they get the tone right first, make it fun and enjoyable, exciting/adventerous etc., and write a great story, i think the audience will forgive any mistakes they make, primarily b/c they'll still enjoy just watching the movie, and they'll leave the theatre with great feeling.

Yeah, I thought the tone was pretty good sometimes, but the 3rd act and the resolution of it was a bit of a downer. Now, personally, the 3rd act of SR is my favourite part of the movie, but you dont end a summer blockbuster like that, it needs to end on a more uplifting note.

SR got the feeling sorry for the character part a little too much, he needs to be sympathetic AND awe inspiring.

[DarKJediKnight]

They made 3 HUGE mistakes in SR. Superman, Lois and Luthor. Superman wasn`t fun to see, put in the middle of a family crisis with no resolution so you end up feeling sorry for him. (you just don`t deal with a theme like this in a Superman movie, period!) ; Lois was just Lana from Smallville, no spunk, whinney and portrayed badly; and Luthor was just the Donner Luthor i hate so much. Basically, the whole movie. Hero and his quest+ love interest + villain

2 good things came from it: Brandon Routh who unfortunately won`t be used in the new movie which is a shame and waste.

and the NOLAN REBOOT.

BRING IT ON!

I agree with you on this one. I think BR is the of the good things that came out of SR that I can think of. I would be really upset if he won't make it in this reboot (we still don't know yet if he will or he won't be included in this project), but I won't really lose my mind if he doesn't get the Superman part.

[Webhead2006]

its really doubtful they would go with routh at all. They want to get as far away from SR as possible. Sure i know its sucks for the folks who did like him in the role and all that. But from WB point it would be better to clean slate the whole thing. So the film is totally fresh.

[GreenKToo]

I can't wait to see what Nolan and company do with Brainiac.
I have about a dozen questions running through my mind about it.
Questions like; Will the threat Brainiac brings be Global and will we get to see that its global.
Will we finally get the superfight(s) that we've been begging for..
Will it be an A list actor in the role, even if its just his voice.

Can't wait to find out.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I think the threat has to be global in order to get that 'epicness' I was talking about in the very first post, Superman has to put his life on the line for the earth in this movie for me.

[Webhead2006]

totally there is so much they have to work with i cant wait myself to see what type of picture nolans/goyer will give to us.

[BH/HHH]

I have nothing against America but when people say Superman should be truth, justice and the American way I just think BS. End of the day hes supposed to be a hero for the world not just for one country.

[Superman Prime]

I have nothing against America but when people say Superman should be truth, justice and the American way I just think BS. End of the day hes supposed to be a hero for the world not just for one country.

That's nice, but you need to understand that he was originally created to be an American hero. During WWII he was in the comics fighting on behalf of the allies.

[BH/HHH]

That's nice, but you need to understand that he was originally created to be an American hero. During WWII he was in the comics fighting on behalf of the allies.

Yeah and thats fair enough but it annoys me when we get it jammed down our throats. Like in SR I actually like that he said Truth, Justice, all that stuff. Like I say nothing against America.

[ChickenScratch]

There's nothing wrong with loving Superman if you are not American, but there's no denying what he was created as. Just like I can love Miyamoto Musashi though I am American because his life and his book mean a lot to me.

[Webhead2006]

yea i get the deal with non american fans on that aspect.

[Daybreak_st]

The truth is, the line used to be "Truth and Justice" the American Way was added during the radio show i believe to become more patriotic so it's not like the line was always there. Truth and Justice is more universal anyway.

[Daybreak_st]

Actual i'm wrong the change was made even later:

A radio program called The Adventures of Superman first broadcast on February 12, 1940. The show began each episode with people shouting "Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's SUPERMAN!" The introduction also stated that Superman was dedicated to fighting for "truth and justice."

Several years later in the 1950's, a television series entitled The Adventures of Superman began, starring George Reeves in the title role. This occasionally tongue-in-cheek adventure program entertained viewers of all ages and ensured that there would be no one left in the U.S. who wouldn't be able to recognize the man in red and blue or his reporter alter ego. Since it was the time of the red scare in the U.S., this new TV series changed Superman's mission from "truth and justice" to "truth, justice and the American way!"

you can read the rest here: http://alankistler.squarespace.com/journal/2007/11/20/alan-kistlers-history-of-superman-part-1.html

[nogap87]

Yeah and thats fair enough but it annoys me when we get it jammed down our throats. Like in SR I actually like that he said Truth, Justice, all that stuff. Like I say nothing against America.

I had no problem with them leaving out "the American way". I just thought "all that stuff" sounded like crappy writing.

[SuperDaniel]

"American way" began because of the Cold War. It`s quite simple.

[RachelDawes]

"American way" began because of the Cold War. It`s quite simple.

Yep, and as Daybreak St. noted, it's a Red Scare phrase. I'd be just fine with dropping it.

[Webhead2006]

totally i wouldnt mind if it was just truth and justice used in.

[Superman Prime]

I'd make it "Truth, Justice, and Hope for a Better Tomorrow" if it was ever my job to choose a tagline.

[Webhead2006]

yea that would be a good tagline to use prime.

[Pittman4Two]

I know we are trapped in an uber-politically correct era and I know there is no way in heck that "American Way" will ever be mentioned on screen without it being totally tongue-in-cheek, but I believe "American Way" means more than just fighting for our country.

Watch the news. The american way is lending a helping hand across the globe. Which country supplies other countries with food, support, and protection first? That would be the US of A my friends.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

I do believe Superman would fight for "Truth, Justice, and the American Way."

EDIT: To keep on topic, I'd like to have the same feeling I had when I saw Supes (Christopher Reeve) shake his head in disbelief that Lois was dead and the scream into the sky on his way to reverse the earth's rotation. I haven't had the same feeling in any Superman movie since. That was "epic".

[Webhead2006]

oh totally it could work in the right manner but with the media being so PC these days its doubtful it will be used.

[RachelDawes]

I'd make it "Truth, Justice, and Hope for a Better Tomorrow" if it was ever my job to choose a tagline.

Hmm, I still prefer plain old "Truth and Justice".

[solidsnake86]

Or they could just avoid that line completely because its not necessary....

[ChickenScratch]

Or they could just avoid that line completely because its not necessary....

That I would prefer than a truncated version.

[Webhead2006]

true we dont really need the line though at least hearing truth or justice thrown out would be nice.

[Daybreak_st]

Lois: "So why are you here?"

Superman: "I'm just one man trying to make a difference"

[Doc Samson]

I think DC would be wise to make the majority of their films going forward with immense scale to them. One of DC's strengths & weaknesses, is that most of it's flagship heroes weren't as relatable as Marvel's, as most of them are mythical, larger than life characters (i.e. Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, etc.)

The flipside to that of course, is that you can tell movies on a massive scale. I think it's that element that could allow DC to have a pretty strong run of movies, IF DONE RIGHT. There's a treasure chest full of big, spectacle event films waiting to be made

[Captain Useless]

Truth, justice, and the Obamian way for me please.

[Webhead2006]

you do have a good point there doc, it would be an interesting thing for dc to do with these guys.

[KrypJonian]

.......is, and for me this is an essential part of the character, the epicness of the character. Superman has an epicness about him that very few other characters can replicate, only 3 spring to mind for me (Hulk, Silver Surfer, Optimus Prime).

It as essential as the Kents to Superman for me and its something that always comes through in the best Superman stories, this epicness is the thing that makes the hairs stand up on the back of your neck when you are reading about/watching the character and they need to get this right.

Even in Superman Returns, in parts, they got the epicness of the character, the plane scene, the re-charge above the clouds and the lifting of New Krypton spring to mind as the scene's that show the epicness of the character, we need these type of scene's in the new Superman movie as stuff like this is what makes the character different to the likes of Batman, Spiderman, Wolverine, et al.

Anyone else agree?

I'll agree. But I feel the need to point out the fact that the word "epicness" does not exist.

And anyone who thinks a Superman movie should not be epic can go and jump off a cliff... and die...