9.22 - Salvation SEASON FINALE Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[Binker]

I missed the episode (but catched the...y'know). Did Clark die, or was he dying?

Speaking of...you know what: is there a reference to the 2013 year? I ask that because the Nolan invovled Superman reboot, under the name of The Man of Steel, was announced for 2012. Any thoughts or ideas?

[ZIPBAGS]

You know Rosenbaum is pissing me off. I mean seriously, the guy better find a week or even a few days...Put a skull cap on and come back before the show ends. It's not like this guy is on a big film or tv show that takes all his time. Heck, even Jeffrey Dean Morgan who has gotten some big name roles in the past year or so. Has said he would love to come back and do an appearance on Supernatural whenever they want him.

[Sawyer]

The guy dedicated seven years of head-shaving to this show, give him a break. JDM did like a grand total of ten episodes of Supernatural and hasn't even appeared on-screen for three seasons.

[Gold Samurai]

Rosenbaum has said in the past that he'd only appear in the SERIES FINALE

[KalKai]

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[Man of Tomorrow]

Rosenbaum has said in the past that he'd only appear in the SERIES FINALE

He said he wouldn't return at all.

He confirmed that recently on Twitter.

He isn't coming back. But they'll definitely tease Lex, like they did today.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Possible Season 10 Spoiler...

I thought I saw Lois wearing a wedding ring in the 2013 scene.

Meaning it's possible Lois and Clark may get married soon, likely next season if it's the last.

[KalKai]

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[Man of Tomorrow]

2013 is also when the Superman rights revert to Siegel/Shuster by the way.

Meaning it's the longest Smallville could possibly last on the air. I wonder if it's a sign that TPTB think they can drag SV out for more seasons beyond 10.

[KalKai]

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[Gold Samurai]

Meaning it's the longest Smallville could possibly last on the air. I wonder if it's a sign that TPTB think they can drag SV out for more seasons beyond 10.

At least he'll be Superman by then lol

And I don't want them to drag on what is already a show that's dragging on too long.

10 better be the final season!

[Man of Tomorrow]

Clark: "I KILLED MY FATHER!"

Finally, SV admits that. Good stuff.

[Prison Mike]

speaking of fathers, did they ever mention who really killed Jor-El? I seem to have forgotten if they touched on it this season.

[Binker]

2013 is when the rights go back, UNLESS, WB/DC makes a film. Hence the recent news of Nolan/Goyer, and the 2012 release date.

But why 2013 being used on the show itself? Is there some kind of reference?

Also, did anyone else think the same thing and suggest that the old woman with the dead Tess was Granny Goodness? Because if that's the case, I wonder if Grant Morrison's Seven Soliders will be, as I figured, serving as the basis for the Fourth World characters, Darkseid included. (I also wonder if they will use Final Crisis for the Season 10 plot).

[Man of Tomorrow]

It was Granny Goodness. Oliver got attacked by a "swarm" of parademons.

[Binker]

Oh?

I'm reading video reviews right now. That's why.

[SpideyVille]

speaking of fathers, did they ever mention who really killed Jor-El? I seem to have forgotten if they touched on it this season.
I was actually flipping through some of the previous episodes on my DVR and i believe it was Alia who confessed to Zod that she killed Jor-El, and then he shot her. That was in Persuasion, I believe.

[Prison Mike]

2013 would be a good time when the real Jimmy is old enough to intern at the DP. I also think Superman has been well established by that time. If Clark becomes Superman by 2011, he would have had 2 years of experience already by then.

[Prison Mike]

I was actually flipping through some of the previous episodes on my DVR and i believe it was Alia who confessed to Zod that she killed Jor-El, and then he shot her. That was in Persuasion, I believe.

thanks! I forgot about that bit in Persuassion.

[Man of Tomorrow]

2013 would be a good time when the real Jimmy is old enough to intern at the DP. I also think Superman has been well established by that time. If Clark becomes Superman by 2011, he would have had 2 years of experience already by then.

So Clark would become Superman in 2011 before Jimmy interns at the planet?


If Season 10 is the last I think we'll jump ahead 2 years for the final shot.


If not, maybe the producers are hoping for 12 seasons ... I wouldn't be that surprised, but I think '2013' was their way of leaving the possibility of that goal open.

[Prison Mike]

No way can they stall past season 10. Clark already has the suit! The show will be cancelled before they could finish if they try to go past 10 seasons.

[Man of Tomorrow]

No way can they stall past season 10. Clark already has the suit! The show will be cancelled before they could finish if they try to go past 10 seasons.

Assuming that was THE suit, and not Clark's Red-Blue BLUR suit for next season.


Remember the producers said Clark may get a change in wardrobe, something with more colour, for the S9 finale... I think that's what we have here.

[Binker]

I have to agree. Having the suit already, but stalling for more seasons would result in very bad backlash.

[Webhead2006]

as for rosenbaum sure he still saying he doesnt want to return. but if its confirmed to be last season they have all season long to try and work a deal out with him to at least do an episode or two during the end episodes.

also character screen times for the episode:

BOUROUX
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Episode 9-22 Salvation
Clark: 20m, 40s
Chloe: 9m, 19s
Lois: 11m, 51s
Oliver: 7m, 54s
Tess: 4m, 15s
Zod: 15m, 29s
Year to Date ST/episode
Clark: 415m, 02s (22)
Chloe: 207m, 27s (22)
Lois: 290m, 01s (18)
Oliver: 165m, 37s (17)
Tess: 115m, 28s (17)
Zod: 131m, 34s (12)

[Webhead2006]

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[Prison Mike]

Assuming that was THE suit, and not Clark's Red-Blue BLUR suit for next season.


Remember the producers said Clark may get a change in wardrobe, something with more colour, for the S9 finale... I think that's what we have here.

I think it's safe to assume that was THE suit. Or at least part of THE suit.

[NewYorkSpider]

Here's the opening teaser dream in good quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdOpwV4eCqA


I wonder how Luthor will become a presidential candidate in 3 years.


If you stop this at 1:27, you can see Superman right under the plane.

[KBX]

:wow:













:awesome:

[lespaul59]

Loved the episode, probaly the best finale of the series. And since they let Lois figure out that Clark is the Blur it wont bother me much if at all it they don't have him tell her. I would still rather have Clark tell her but considering how WB/DC can be over this stuff I'm fine with this. And as soon as I saw the To be continued I said ah bulls**t out loud. I had prepaired myself for the worst and was amazed with the episode. I loved Granny Goodness, I was actually looking for such a hidden reference that the first time they showed her I did put 2 and 2 together. And the second time they showed her my dad was like who's the old lady and it hit me. I was like Granny Goodness.:supes:

[KBX]

What I am surprised about that no one is talking about.....

....that Chloe could be in far less episodes than before. Im shocked most of you arern't jumping for joy!

[lespaul59]

Here's the opening teaser dream in good quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdOpwV4eCqA


I wonder how Luthor will become a presidential candidate in 3 years.

I don't know if it's been mentioned but you can see a ring or rings on Lois' left hand at :23sec.

[Webhead2006]

yea in greg's blog he said allison is likely only going to be a part time cast member likely for next season so i bet anywhere between 7-13 episodes probably, and erica is more then likely going to be bumped to full 22 episodes or at least 20/21 episodes.

[Ring Deacon]

OMG that was Superman flying past the daily planet and under the plane. Bring on season 10 now!

[Gold Samurai]

The show will be cancelled before they could finish if they try to go past 10 seasons.

Agreed. I don't want Smallville to end up like Stargate SG-1 and get canceled mid season.

The longer they prolong it the more likely someone's going to drop the axe.

[Webhead2006]

i doubt the show would get canned mid season.

[Superhero 101]

wow didn't notice that

[KBX]

Everyone should go into the mindset that season 10 is the last...

having said that this might be Smallvilles best finale and season in 3-4 years!!! Im serious

[G671]

Nolan doesn't even CARE about this show and for good reason too.. people can drop the "Oh but this has Nolan written all over it" There's also a good reason this show does 2 million viewers an episode

Is there a "good reason" why you're posting on this forum, then? Why would you spend your free time here making comments if you don't even like the show?

[Webhead2006]

yea i noticed on ksite folks mentioned lois had rings in the future scene. so by 2013 they are a married couple lol. As for season 10 ya its more then likely will be the last. and i do hope either at may upfronts next week, or at comic con panel it is revealed to be the last. so its written that way, and can fully be promoted as that like abc done this yr with lost.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Granny Goodness has put up a Smallville Rant on Youtube:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2zgzC4Rs4k

[KBX]

^lol thats mean, but she is wrong on a couple of accounts...

[lespaul59]

Here's the opening teaser dream in good quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdOpwV4eCqA


I wonder how Luthor will become a presidential candidate in 3 years.

I don't know if it's been mentioned but you can see a ring or rings on Lois' left hand at :23sec.

I have no idea how this reposted, I just refreshed the page to see if there where any new replys after people posted after I posted this the first time.

[KalKai]

I'm not sure if I have the strength to listen to that.

And lol, get this in your heads, there's a bigger chance of the CW dying than of SV being canned.

That said, it's no use talking about a future beyond S10 as of now, because there's simply no way of knowing. These are arguments for much later on, not for when a season finishes.

[Webhead2006]

yea no way wb tv/dc comics would let the show get canned mid season. plus with the cw as long as the show is at or above 2mill all is good on the network front. Cause they want their shows to at least be over 2mill.

[KalKai]

By Wikipedia:

Granny Goodness did not begin as one of the higher-level residents of Apokolips (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apokolips), but was instead one of the "Lowlies" - the brutally-oppressed peasant class. She was removed from her parents and trained to be one of Darkseid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkseid)'s "Hounds" (his elite soldiers). One part of their training was to train their dog; Goodness named hers Mercy.

Darkseid had Goodness run the training facility for his elite soldiers, where she uses brainwashing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing) and torture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture), in a brutal parody of child care, to turn the innocent into fanatical warriors willing to kill or die for Darkseid's glory. Since the war between Apokolips and New Genesis first moved to Earth, Granny Goodness has often run Earthly orphanages, looking for potential warriors for Darkseid.

Is that what we can expect from her?

[Webhead2006]

well i would say she probably an advance spy on earth for darkseid, and then his other minions dasaad, kalibak comes in and gets things ready for darkseid himself arriving a bit later. Now i say granny/dasaad would be the likely minions we could see most for season ten, kalibak i would go for a solid 2-3 epiode run for him, then counting on darkseid, if they go monster suit route i would go 2-3 episodes. If its an actual actor like judge, and wearing a nifty costume i would go for a more 5-9 episode run for darkseid. Then i would throw in 1 or 2 appearance of at least orion if they want to mention new gods.

[Asteroid-Man]

That was the best finale, fight and even episode for me! Fantastic! I'll touch more on the episode in detail tomorow.

[Webhead2006]

yea up there for me as one of my fav fight scenes of series run next to the clark/titan fight.

Any one got the full opening recap of the season events part on youtube or what not.

[Webhead2006]

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[Sam Fisher]

Wow, that seriously had to be the best episode of Smallville in a LONG time. Certainly makes up for the crappiness of past season finales{Season 8 "cough cough"}.

BTW, would someone mind making these into avatars?


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[LostSon88]

Hands down one of the best episodes of the ENTIRE SERIES.

After that sweet opening, they just kept the momentum for the rest of the show...

They we're right for once, this finale was EPIC.

(**anyone notice that in 2013 Lois has a ring on her finger?**)

Bring on Season 10!!! :woot:

[Webhead2006]

yup i totally agree sam that is why i was happy beeman did the finale. Heres hoping for some decent ratings, at least back in 2.3-2.4mill mark would be nice. We will know within a few more hrs :)

[Webhead2006]

Nancy Amelia Bell according to smallville wikia played the knitting lady/ aka granny goodness. I wonder if they plan to keep her for granny or go with another actress?

[akfj]

I couldn't tell, but could Perry White actually be seen through his office window in the beginning?

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

don't think so, I didn't see anything

[okpal_79]

Maybe Tess will become a Female Fury?? If so it would be EXCELLENT if they introduced Wonder Woman next season.

I think we'll be looking at a 'bound in human form' Darkseid from Final Crisis - lets just hope it's not Kevin Sorbo :-)

[MAN O STEEL]

Here's how I see it. They've gotten to a point in the series now where Martha has given him the suit & yes it is the actual suit as you can clearly see by the fact that his eye's turn blue around the 'S' itself, he's now acting like Superman as was shown pretty much all throughout this episode but mainly in the speech to the JLA & JSA. He wears the slick back hair do now, works at the planet, is in love with Lois Lane. Is clearly now the leader of the JLA as was pretty much shown in the speech when every other hero pretty much saluted him with honor as their leader. I mean how much more can they drag it out if they choose to go beyond season 10?. This is it, he has to be Superman by the season premiere. You can't introduce the suit in this season finale, only for Clark to go, "Hey, that's nice mum, but I'll pass". I just hope I'm not let down. Can't wait for leaked footage to come from Comic Con in July/August, whenever it may be.




Steve

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

You can't introduce the suit in this season finale, only for Clark to go, "Hey, that's nice mum, but I'll pass".

Steve

the sad thing is, you can easily see them pulling that

[Dark_Lord]

Here's how I see it. They've gotten to a point in the series now where Martha has given him the suit & yes it is the actual suit as you can clearly see by the fact that his eye's turn blue around the 'S' itself, he's now acting like Superman as was shown pretty much all throughout this episode but mainly in the speech to the JLA & JSA. He wears the slick back hair do now, works at the planet, is in love with Lois Lane. Is clearly now the leader of the JLA as was pretty much shown in the speech when every other hero pretty much saluted him with honor as their leader. I mean how much more can they drag it out if they choose to go beyond season 10?. This is it, he has to be Superman by the season premiere. You can't introduce the suit in this season finale, only for Clark to go, "Hey, that's nice mum, but I'll pass". I just hope I'm not let down. Can't wait for leaked footage to come from Comic Con in July/August, whenever it may be.




Steve

Unfortunately, I don't think they'll have Clark wear the costume. Not until the series finale. I'm sure they'll find some kind of reason for him not wearing it. He'll probably remember it in the series finale and go "Oh, yeah! I forgot!" :oldrazz:.

That's also why I don't think it's THE costume. It could just be another prototype costume, but with the classic colors. Maybe even just a blue t-shirt with the red and yellow S. It probably was something more than a t-shirt though.

I guess we'll find out. Hopefully we'll get something at Comic-Con. I'm really excited about S10. :super:

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

I don't have doubts that that was the actual costume, I just don't see them having Clark wear it until the finale. They WILL find some way to stall it till the very end

[MAN O STEEL]

That's also why I don't think it's THE costume. It could just be another prototype costume, but with the classic colors. Maybe even just a blue t-shirt with the red and yellow S. It probably was something more than a t-shirt though.


See why waste such an iconic moment from the comics, of Martha making & then giving CK the suit if it's just a "Prototype". Why bother even building it up?. It wold make him actually getting the real suit seem not quite so epic. Then again it is Smallville So...




Steve

[Gianakin_]

Anyone caught Ollie's line "It was a gift", referring to the space station? Not saying we'll ever see... you know, him, but I think it was a clear hint.

[Milos]

The most boring finale EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sleepy:
Tess stuff was good, and that one Chloe scene, everything else garbage!
And what was the point of that crappy ass dream intro scene, really??!! :whatever:
Like we don't already know the future for these characters!! The most pointless scene ever in the history of the show!! :doh:
I miss Doomsday!

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

there should be a TROLL smilie

[Dark_Lord]

See why waste such an iconic moment from the comics, of Martha making & then giving CK the suit if it's just a "Prototype". Why bother even building it up?. It wold make him actually getting the real suit seem not quite so epic. Then again it is Smallville So...




Steve

There you go...:oldrazz:.

I agree that the way they presented it, it seemed like it was the costume. I really don't see him wearing it though. If they're going to have him change his Blur costume, then I see no reason why he wouldn't wear the one Martha gave him. That's why I think he'll either continue wearing the Blur costume, or he'll wear the one Martha gave him, but it won't be THE costume.

[Dark_Lord]

Anyone caught Ollie's line "It was a gift", referring to the space station? Not saying we'll ever see... you know, him, but I think it was a clear hint.

He said that the satellite was launched by Queen Industries. He meant it was a gift for Chloe.

there should be a TROLL smilie
He's just a Chloe fan...

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and no. I have nothing against Allison Mack. I actually like her, but Chloe has become SO annoying the past few seasons.

[Milos]

You look really funny in that pic Dark_Lord (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=20547)! :yay:

[MAN O STEEL]

You look really funny in that pic Dark_Lord (http://forums.superherohype.com/member.php?u=20547)! :yay:

So should your face since:

1. Chloe was barley present during the finale &

2. Allison will only be in a handful of episodes in season 10.


That's Karma for being a troll :hehe:





Steve

[Gianakin_]

He said that the satellite was launched by Queen Industries. He meant it was a gift for Chloe.

Oh, gotcha. My mistake!

[Milos]

So should your face since:

1. Chloe was barley present during the finale &


Chloe was a cereal grain? :wow: :huh:

[Milos]

Thanks to BOUROUX

Salvation Screentime

Clark: 20m, 40s
Chloe: 9m, 19s
Lois: 11m, 51s
Oliver: 7m, 54s
Tess: 4m, 15s
Zod: 15m, 29s

[UnionJack]

It can't end like that :( thats not a finale thats a 2 parter

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

^why not?

[MAN O STEEL]

Looking back on how awesome the opening scene was, I personally would have had the episode open from Lois & Zod's first scene onwards to the final scene with Zod where he gets taken away & clark is stabbed & falling, then from there as CK was falling have him rip the knife out & throw it away, giving him his power back just seconds before he hits the ground, then cut to black. From there fade into the future scene with Lois at the DP & Superman saving the plane, have CK wake up & the final scene before cutting to black would be the gleaming reflection of the Superman shield & suit in his eye. That wou,d have been a better way of arranging it storywise IMO.


Steve

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

I prefer the way it was executed, leaves it open for another season whereas saving the opening sequence for last would have been more for a series finale end sequence. Since it seems like they have bigger plans than just leaving it at that, the way they went about it was more suitable

[The Incredible Hulk]

Granny Goodness has put up a Smallville Rant on Youtube:

Q2zgzC4Rs4k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2zgzC4Rs4k


Nice to see that Bruce Filanch is still doing well......oh

:woot:



and no. I have nothing against Allison Mack. I actually like her, but Chloe has become SO annoying the past few seasons.

She's a lot like Jesus. You like her but her fans are a bunch of idiots. :up:

[RaZaTrOn]

47 seconds into the intro you can clearly see a ring on the wedding finger of Lois.

Also after that opening scene does nobody want Smallville to end and a 'Lois and Clark' type show to take it's place.

Lets face it these guys are great actors but Smallville is giving them a name. They need to continue this show in my eyes. The new team behind the show have really proved themselves.

I vote for a show that is all Superman after season 10, screw the movie.

[MAN O STEEL]

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Steve

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Also after that opening scene does nobody want Smallville to end and a 'Lois and Clark' type show to take it's place.

Lets face it these guys are great actors but Smallville is giving them a name. They need to continue this show in my eyes. The new team behind the show have really proved themselves.

I vote for a show that is all Superman after season 10, screw the movie.

Agreed, I would LOVE for the show to continue after season 10 as a full blown Superman series in replace of a movie. But we all know that Nolan is working on a Supes film for the big screen so it's not going to happen, season 10 will more than likely be it. Sad because they really really do have an excellent cast here and an opportunity to have the most solid Live Action Superman television series to date, past, present and possibly future.

I honestly don't see ANY cast member moving onto bigger and better things after Smallville, this show is and will always be their main bread and butter. They may as well just stick with it

but we all know that even if the cast was all for it, there's still legal issues getting in the way of it happening.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Best episode ever!!!

[batlovescatDC]

does anybody know if they are going to rerun the episode at all?! i didn't get to watch it!!!!!! or are they atleast going to put it online? someone please tell me something, i'm going insane!!!!!!!!

[Night Owl]

does anybody know if they are going to rerun the episode at all?! i didn't get to watch it!!!!!! or are they atleast going to put it online? someone please tell me something, i'm going insane!!!!!!!!

www.sidereel.com ;)

[The Incredible Hulk]

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Needs more super uppercut! ;)

[SuperNoob]

So what does Granny want with dead Tess? Can she be revived as a Darkseid soldier? Can they inhabit her? Steal her memories? I'm not real sure what their capabilities are.

And was there anything important about her time of death? 3:33 pm just seemed like something they wanted us to notice, but I wasn't sure why.

[Gianakin_]

And was there anything important about her time of death? 3:33 pm just seemed like something they wanted us to notice, but I wasn't sure why.

666 divided by 2?:woot:

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

I'm pretty sure Darkseid has plenty of uses for Tess's body, we'll find out exactly what as well as the significance of her time of death (if there is one) in the premier.

[Johnny]

Hmmm, they may try to make her part of the Female Furies. Brainwashing and all of that. ;)

[DIRECTOR]

why is everybody saying DArkSeid???

[KALEL114]

He's the new villian next year. Granny Goodness was the easter egg TPTB hinted would be in this episode. Geoff Johns also said when Amanda Waller said apocalypse was coming, that it was actually Apokolips. Speculation is that parademons were attacking Ollie as well.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Darkseid baby, DARKSEID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SpideyVille]

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OMG the Red Blue Blur is back and he's flying :hehe:

[Webhead2006]

i really hope they dont do human darkseid. no bloody need for it, as i pointed out they can easily go with a guy in costume styled off sg1 gould solider deal and wear a half helmet deal so face is only visual part and hire someone around welling height. doin the whole human thing been played out for the show already so it would be a waste.

Milos i posted the episode screen times back on page 31 or 32 earlier this morning around 1amish.

salvation ratings are in:
www.twitter.com/mattmtvguy (http://www.twitter.com/mattmtvguy)
#SMALLVILLE (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23SMALLVILLE) season finale delivered 2.45 million viewers/1.0 ratings (edging out the House rerun for 4th)
Woot good ratings to go out on

[verisimilitude]

Amazing finale. Amazing intro, (total geekasm), and Amazing cliffhanger. Boy oh boy, the writing has been good this time round, and the direction too.

Look at that S, and those bright, clean crisp red and blues.

When I heard the whole Clark will have to go to, I was shouting at the screen, "make him human for a scec, for God's sake make him human for a sec"! And that's just when the blue kryptonite came in ... and I Loved it...

I agree with other posters, I really want Smallville to continue beyond season 10, if the writing remains this good.

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[SpideyStu2]

I think the show will miss Tess Mercer, but if they turn around and GG brings her back then it'll feel cheap. Limited Chloe for season 10 might suck a bit too but now that Lois knows it almost replaces that sort of dynamic that Chloe had represented since season 5.

[Mikelus]

I think the show will miss Tess Mercer, but if they turn around and GG brings her back then it'll feel cheap. Limited Chloe for season 10 might suck a bit too but now that Lois knows it almost replaces that sort of dynamic that Chloe had represented since season 5.

It won't be cheap at all, Darkseid could use her against Clark, then he would try to find a way to save her, it has potential. And Chloe is not needed at all, Dr. Hamilton could replace her and be more interesting since he's a scientist.

Lois knowing the secret before Clark is Superman changes the dynamic completely, we'll see how they handle it.

[NotFadeAway]

This falls in line with a theory I had back during season 4 about the future Clarl/Lois/Superman dynamic in this universe: Lois is going to know the whole time and help Clark keep his cover.

So, as Superman, he really isn't going to have anyone left to fight except Lex if Darkseid is coming.

[Jack Bauer]

I personally loved the Season 9 finale, though it could have used more of the JL/JLA.

[smooth3006]

i really hope they dont do human darkseid. no bloody need for it



based on smallville's history he will be in human form.

[spider1975]

Well, return member but due to password and log in issues, I am starting from scratch (formerly sean61675). That being said, this is getting to the point of no return in my opinion. As mentioned in previous posts, there is no logical reason other than to have him suit up in season 10. Mama Kent gave him the costume (or as others have speculated a version of it). I think what it boils down to is that writers and producers might be a little timid about putting Welling in the suit for the fear of it looking cheese on the small screen. After all, it can't be any worse than Hawkman's costume. Although, HM's costume was easily the best of all the JSA's members. Aquaman and GL look the best IMO. Okay, here is what I think as a loyal SM fan since day 1.

1. If season 10 will be the last (2010-2011), they just gave themselves an out since the flashforward scene takes place in 2013 (two years after the series ends). They may be thinking, "Okay, we gave them a glimpse so we did something right."
2. The introduction of whatever his mom gave him might actually play into season 10. We know from the intro (even though it was a blur) that the suit he is wearing (A) has the correct colors and (B) has a cape. So even if what his mom gave him is a costume in transition, we know that eventually he will have the correct suit.
3. My guess is this: Either we finally see him in the suit in the last scene in the series finale...orrrrrrrrr he suits up and leads the JSA & JLA against Darkseid when he comes to take over the earth. It would be so cool if they took a nod from the animated series in the two part episode where in the end, Darkseid destroys Turpin with his omega beams (I'm sure a lot of you have seen those episodes) and then escapes into his boom tube.

The series could end on a cliffhanger and then for the loyal fans, make a two hour movie to air in the fall of 2012 to wrap up all the loose ends. The one key element missing still is that he...can't...fly.

Thoughts?

[KALEL114]

I bet we get Boss Dark Side first and then his Darkseid form at the end of the season.

[NotFadeAway]

Actually, saving the world from an alien invasion force wouldn't be too shabby of a debut for Superman.

[batlovescatDC]

The most epic Smallville finale/episode ever! And the biggest/best cliffhanger they've left us holding off the edge of. Absolutely amazing. Granny Goodness, Darkseid. Wow, next season is going to be amazing and really interesting.

Also... I wonder if Tess dying and the little "Lex For President" thing is a hint that Superman's arch-rival will be back next season?!!! I can so see him coming back with a force, fighting Ollie to get LuthorCorp back and changing the name to LexCorp. Then perhaps even actually running for President... although I think they would probably have him run for Mayor of Metropolis first.

[Sam Fisher]

One thing about that opening teaser...JOINO Jr. sure grew up fast in 4 years.

[KALEL114]

That wasn't Jimmy.

[The Caped Knight]

(**anyone notice that in 2013 Lois has a ring on her finger?**)

Bring on Season 10!!! :woot:

I NOTICE :woot::woot::woot: Looks like she married to Clark and knows he SUPERMAN !!!! :super:

AMEN!!!

[Man of Tomorrow]

Yeah. It's pretty obvious Lois and Clark will get married next season if it's the last.

I wonder how they'll do the Parademons.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/745959-para_7_large.jpg

Most likely in full body armor/suits with masks so their faces aren't seen, like the grunts on Power Rangers.

[The Caped Knight]

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/9003/97117741.gif http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2191/66949249.gif

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It's about Time :woot::woot::woot::woot:

[spider1975]

Okay, what did I miss. I just went back and watched it from the moment Tess dies to the end. I saw Granny Goodness but where in the episode was there a mention of Darkseid? Do I need to rewind further?

[spider1975]

Yeah. It's pretty obvious Lois and Clark will get married next season if it's the last.

I wonder how they'll do the Parademons.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/745959-para_7_large.jpg

Most likely in full body armor/suits with masks so their faces aren't seen, like the grunts on Power Rangers.

Is that who was converging on GL when he was in the air duct? God, I should go back and watch this again. I feel like I watched it without paying attention.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Yeah. It's pretty obvious Lois and Clark will get married next season if it's the last.

I wonder how they'll do the Parademons.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/745959-para_7_large.jpg

Most likely in full body armor/suits with masks so their faces aren't seen, like the grunts on Power Rangers.

that's pretty much the route they sould take with them

[SpiderByte]

@ spider1975

Green Lantern wasn't in it, silly. ;)

[Orb]

I can't believe we saw a glimpse of Superman.:woot:

But did anyone esle found it stupid when every Kandorian learned about Zod? Did Zod forget they have super hearing or something?!?!? That part really annoyed me.

[SpiderByte]

Next season will most likely be the final season. There is still a tiny chance there will be a season 11.

By 'tiny', I mean like 1/1000. Very unlikely, but still possible.

I think he'll finally put on the suit in the final episode of season 10 (which I still believe will be 'Superman'. One worded, just like the others, and perfectly fitting).

[Syncos]

I can't believe we saw a glimpse of Superman.:woot:

But did anyone esle found it stupid when every Kandorian learned about Zod? Did Zod forget they have super hearing or something?!?!? That part really annoyed me.

Zod's a really arrogant person. I don't think it ever crossed his mind that Clark might be setting him up. Or that he even figured his army would listen in on what he was saying.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

I can't believe we saw a glimpse of Superman.:woot:

But did anyone esle found it stupid when every Kandorian learned about Zod? Did Zod forget they have super hearing or something?!?!? That part really annoyed me.

well take a look at the real world, there's a lot of DUMB criminals out there, no common sense having F up's. They don't always make the brightest choices, plus, ignorance is bliss. It could be Zod just acted without thinking. Part didn't bother me at all

[KBX]

Yeah thats one part that bugged me. I don't remember if Zod ever used super-hearing, but if he did, than the decision to talk to Clark looks even worse....

[Syncos]

The most epic Smallville finale/episode ever! And the biggest/best cliffhanger they've left us holding off the edge of. Absolutely amazing. Granny Goodness, Darkseid. Wow, next season is going to be amazing and really interesting.

Also... I wonder if Tess dying and the little "Lex For President" thing is a hint that Superman's arch-rival will be back next season?!!! I can so see him coming back with a force, fighting Ollie to get LuthorCorp back and changing the name to LexCorp. Then perhaps even actually running for President... although I think they would probably have him run for Mayor of Metropolis first.

That would be great, but I'm pretty sure Rosenbaum isn't planning on returning for more than an episode or two at the end of the series, based on interviews with him in the past.

[SpiderByte]

I wasn't entirely sure what he said to Clark, but when I noticed that they all had heard him, the first words that went through my head were "He is so screwed."

I give this episode a 10/10. And this is the only episode of Season Nine that I have SEEN.

I'm going to wait for the Season DVD to come out (which should be in about a month). I REALLY want to see Absolute Justice, I've heard great things about it.

[spider1975]

@ spider1975

Green Lantern wasn't in it, silly. ;)

:doh:

Sorry, had GL on the mind. I meant GA.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

all in all it was an excellent season, makes you want more

[SpiderByte]

What I was wondering was: Why didn't Oliver have his hood up while he was in the vent?

Now, since this is the first episode of Season Nine that I have seen (ironically, since it's the last one of the season), there are a few new things I've seen:

Chloe/Oliver.

Hawkman and Green Arrow do not get along well.

Martian Manhunter is officially on the team.

Cyborg has a light beard now.

Black Canary has longer hair (which looks great, by the way).

Clark's hair has been...it looks like it's been gelled into a mullet.

Clark ditched his old red jacket and blue shirt suit that I loved in Season Eight.

Stargirl's mask looks too big for the rest of her face.

The Kandorians appear to be wearing Nazi armbands.

Lex Luthor can run for the 2016 Presidential election in 2013.

[Prison Mike]

Maybe Lex is starting an early campaign for 2016? :oldrazz:

[KALEL114]

Yeah, it happens all the time. People sometimes announce they are running way in advance. No big deal.

[Sam Fisher]

That wasn't Jimmy.
Yes, it was. They pretty much made it clear.

[Johnny]

Zod's a really arrogant person. I don't think it ever crossed his mind that Clark might be setting him up. Or that he even figured his army would listen in on what he was saying.

Yeah, and it basically became a habit for Clark to outsmart Zod in this show. Me so love it! :woot:

[Webhead2006]

smooth there is no reasoning to say right now what they are or arent going to do with darkseid. Now his minions granny/dasaad easy human forms so they can be done looking like humans as they are, and i bet they will be the main minions we will see. i bet a 7-13 episode deal for those minions. Then if we get his minions like kalibak/steppwolf these probably a good 2 or 3 episode deals. Then darkseid is the trick. If they did go human route which i would hate he could be around all season, if they go full on monster suit like doomsday and use it limited i would go with 2-3 episodes spread out across the season. Or if it ends up being someone like as man of tomorrow mentioned before in chris judge, if we put him in a costume like i mentioned in this thread and the season 10 spoilers/spec thread that covers arms/legs in some sort of armor costume it could work. Then wearing a helmet deal only showing face they can easily work on makup and glowing eyes and then if so i would put him being used more in a 7-12 episode deal. But going with human/boss darkside would just be a total waste.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Yes, it was. They pretty much made it clear.

No. That wasn't Jimmy in the 2013 scene.

Jimmy wasn't seen, only referred to when she yelled "Olsen"


The guy with the flowers was Jeff the Intern. He's appeared in previous episodes.

[Webhead2006]

yea jimmy wasnt seen, that was just some regular office dude probably lois's assistant. jimmy was just called for but not seen. and if we go with young jimmy at least being 12ish at the end of last season. HE could be 13 this season, and in the 2013 scene be at least 16 maybe close to 17. And we know the DP does highschool interns since chloe did it yrs ago.

[SpiderByte]

No. That wasn't Jimmy in the 2013 scene.

Jimmy wasn't seen, only referred to when she yelled "Olsen"


The guy with the flowers was Jeff the Intern. He's appeared in previous episodes.

Wait. Is his credited name really 'Jeff the intern'?

That is HILLARIOUS.

[Nathan]

****ing cliffhanger! :argh:

It was a good episode, liked the final fight, though the slowmo was kinda annoying. Again. At least it wasn't as bad as in the Tess slomwo fight when they caught Green Arrow. That was just all kinds of awful.

Soo... that Granny is rumored to be Granny Goodness? So those things after Arrow were probably Parademons I guess.

[aka Kal el]

It's about Time :woot::woot::woot::woot:

Excellent episode!Much better than last year!Did anyone else notice that when Clark was falling his hair went right into the classic Superman curl? That was his transformation! My theory is MM removes BOR at Superspeeed and Clark flies straight up w/classic Superman hairstyle! He also had the S curls when he rescued Lois but there was no mistaking it!BTW Tess is signed for next season.:word:

[ZIPBAGS]

While it stinks we have to wait 4 months. It seems like only yesterday the news was coming out of Comic Con about a new outfit and a JSA episode...Then we saw the first cellphone recordings of the season 9 trailer they aired (complete with the girl screaming)...And a glimpse of the black shirt with the S shield.

[Mike_D202]

We're all gonna keep our eyes peeled for new promo shots of clark wearing the red/blue outfit this summer that's for damn sure.

[SpiderByte]

Note that Clarks black and white suit has been completely destroyed. Slashed, torn, and full of holes.

He's going to need a new one...probably the one from the beginning of the episode.

[Sam Fisher]

No. That wasn't Jimmy in the 2013 scene.

Jimmy wasn't seen, only referred to when she yelled "Olsen"


The guy with the flowers was Jeff the Intern. He's appeared in previous episodes.To be clear, I never actually said that guy. My point was Jimmy Jr. still would be a bit young to be working at the Planet.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Tess is signed for next season.:word:

Nice

[Nathan]

Note that Clarks black and white suit has been completely destroyed. Slashed, torn, and full of holes.

He's going to need a new one...probably the one from the beginning of the episode.

As if it's so difficult to get a new black shirt and paint a \S/ on it, as well as a black coat.

[SpiderByte]

Would you buy a new shirt if you already have one that you just got?

This is what I believe will be the bare minimum of the costume he will have in Season 10:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii289/SpiderByte_photo/blur-1.jpg

Yes, I made it. I am very proud of the lighting on the logo.

[Nathan]

Why buy? The guy might have more than one black shirt in his closet. Heck, I have at least half a dozen.

[The Caped Knight]

Salvation Review (http://tv.ign.com/articles/109/1090110p1.html) – IGN
Clark Kent, Superstar (http://www.tvguidemagazine.com/smallville/clark-kent-superstar-5071.html) – TV Guide
Smallville Episode Recap: Salvation (http://www.tvguide.com/Episode-Recaps/Smallville/Smallville-Episode-Recap-1018485.aspx) – TV Guide

[KALEL114]

To be clear, I never actually said that guy. My point was Jimmy Jr. still would be a bit young to be working at the Planet.

Not really. He could just be an intern. Chloe was an intern at the Planet when she was 15-16. Jimmy's brother looked to be about 11 or 12 at the funeral, maybe older.

[BizarroAids]

I loved it. This episode gave me much hope for next season. This finale definately didn't leave me disappointed. I thought the rain fight was awesome.

This finale is for sure at the top of my faves list now. I jumped for joy at the opening scene.:woot:

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Would you buy a new shirt if you already have one that you just got?

This is what I believe will be the bare minimum of the costume he will have in Season 10:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii289/SpiderByte_photo/blur-1.jpg

Yes, I made it. I am very proud of the lighting on the logo.

That would just be reverting back to season 1-8 with the only difference being the S shield on the blue shirt as oppose to a plain blue shirt. I'm almost positive they're past all of that. If he does infact transition into another prototype for most of the season, it'll more than likely be closer to his blur look only red and blue or it'll be closer to the actual look.

[Nathan]

He better fly right when season 10 starts. He finally accepted his role and everything. Stop dicking around and let him fly. :argh:

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

it'd be hillarious if they gave him the suit but he still stalls on flying. A full grown Supes, costume and all, still afraid of heights

[Binker]

A Supes who doesn't fly? That would be like the Golden Age Superman on Smallville. Kinda neat, but I also see your point.

[Mike_D202]

Or a Tim Burton Superman movie that was never made.

*shivers*

[Man of Tomorrow]

I agree with IGN's Review. 9.5 out of 10

Easily the best SV episode made in years. The last good one like this was probably "Descent" or "Apocalypse."

IMO it was the best SV season finale as well ("Commencement" was dragged down by way too much of the Lana/Teague plot).

On a sidenote, the '2013' thing was definitely an In-Joke reference to the Siegel/Shuster lawsuit.

Especially the headline Palin was holding:

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/234/15126300.jpg

Economic gains in 2013. Highly amusing.

[Nathan]

Especially the headline Palin was holding

I loved the vision of the future, but damn... what the heck did they do to Lois?

[spideyboy_1111]

BEST EPISODE OF SMALLVILLE IN A LONG TIME! LOVED IT! especially the granny goodness cameo!

[Man of Tomorrow]

I loved the vision of the future, but damn... what the heck did they do to Lois?


She's married to Clark and knows his identity, perhaps they're both wearing glasses in this version to throw suspicion off.


I guess Perry is gonna know the truth about Clark too, perhaps that's why they hooked him up with Martha as Clark's new daddy.

[spider-neil]

it'd be hillarious if they gave him the suit but he still stalls on flying. A full grown Supes, costume and all, still afraid of heights


that would actually make sense as superman didn't actually fly in the golden age (when he first appeared) he jumped.

loved the opening scene.

season 10 the last season, for pete sake let him be in the red and blues!

oh, its high time bruce wayne showed up as well.

[Man of Tomorrow]

oh, its high time bruce wayne showed up as well.

Whatever .0000001 % chance of Bruce showing up or being referenced in SV is dead now, with the script for Batman III being turned in and the release date set.

No Bruce Wayne for the SV verse.

[BizarroAids]

I loved the vision of the future, but damn... what the heck did they do to Lois?

I was thinking the same thing. But, like in movies, they somehow give the character a different look when years pass, ie Hair cuts, or beards...And well, given that this was just a quick scene, maybe they just wanted to add the glasses to really sell that time has passed and show her with a different look. ????

Just shootin in the dark..:huh::csad:

[spideyboy_1111]

i really don't see why they can't give him a cameo or anything in one episode. Amanda Waller is in Green Lantern and being played by a different actress... and that's not an issue. WB has the rights to the DC heroes and villains, so I've never really understood why Bruce, Wonder Woman, or the Green Lantern Corps couldn't show up in smallville... or at the very least, be referenced.

[Man of Tomorrow]

i really don't see why they can't give him a cameo or anything in one episode. Amanda Waller is in Green Lantern and being played by a different actress... and that's not an issue. WB has the rights to the DC heroes and villains, so I've never really understood why Bruce, Wonder Woman, or the Green Lantern Corps couldn't show up in smallville... or at the very least, be referenced.

Waller was added to the GL script late in the game.

Coincidently, she was just killed off on Smallville, or ambiguously written off... so she won't be appearing.

Phil Morris mentioned that during the time when Justice League:Mortal was in pre-production, WB/DC suddenly put a lock on his character and Aquaman; stating they couldn't appear on SV. Obviously it was undone when the project fell apart.

But to sum up, the films are a priority. I understand their logic with protecting the characters here.

[spideyboy_1111]

Has it been said that Wller wont re-appear in season 10? because i find it hard to believe she wont....

There logic doesn't make any sense to me though, that's like saying "smallville is to be on hiatus due to superman returns filming" hell, why not cancel all animated shows or just never have DC characters appear at all since some will eventually have movies.

The logic is just rediculous. Like a show that rarely ever gets a 2.0 rating or hire is going to effect a movie at all.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Has it been said that Wller wont re-appear in season 10? because i find it hard to believe she wont....

Zod burning her at close range pretty much took her out of the game. I think she was taken out of the show because of the films, seems to add up with what they always do.



There logic doesn't make any sense to me though, that's like saying "smallville is to be on hiatus due to superman returns filming" hell, why not cancel all animated shows or just never have DC characters appear at all since some will eventually have movies.


To be fair, Al/Miles admitted Bryan Singer went out of his way to accommodate Smallville and make sure it wasn't affected by the 06 film. At that point, Singer had full control over the film, and the studio was mindlessly following him.

Nolan, however, is a different beast. He's been known to be very tight with the Batman depictions. He threw a fit when JL:M was going to have a new Batman (Armie Hammer) and he was part of the reason it got canned (thank goodness).

Who knows what Martin Campbell is like, but GL is very studio controlled.

I can understand why Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Captain Marvel and many other characters can't appear on SV.


However, storywise, there's no need for Batman in the SV universe anyways. They replaced him with Oliver. Heck, Oliver even put up the Watchtower Justice League Satelite in the finale.


Batman/Superman World's Finest is better saved for the movies. Things are looking promising with Nolan and his team behind both. I think fans will still get to see a Batman/Superman live action teamup someday, especially given DC's new film plan.

[spideyboy_1111]

I see how the world's finest is more epic and work better in movies.. but i really don't see how having bruce wane, or any of batman's villains show up in smallville hurts a batman movie... or having wonder-woman or referencing her hurt her film (hell may even help it at this point), same with green lantern... I don't see the logic in how smallville would hurt any of there movies. That logic to me none the less still does not make any sense.

[DaJanksta]

Best finale so far. For the first time in a long time I get to say that I LOVE that episode and cannot wait 4 months for the new season. I swear Tom Welling would be the best Superman on the bigscreen. It's a damn shame it's not happening...

[spideyboy_1111]

Best finale so far. For the first time in a long time I get to say that I LOVE that episode and cannot wait 4 months for the new season. I swear Tom Welling would be the best Superman on the bigscreen. It's a damn shame it's not happening...

^^^agrees^^^

[Man of Tomorrow]

I see how the world's finest is more epic and work better in movies.. but i really don't see how having bruce wane, or any of batman's villains show up in smallville hurts a batman movie... or having wonder-woman or referencing her hurt her film (hell may even help it at this point), same with green lantern... I don't see the logic in how smallville would hurt any of there movies. That logic to me none the less still does not make any sense.

What's the merit in just referencing them through name drops? It's pretty empty.

This show already does enough teasing of DC mythos (like the opening of the finale) and there's bound to be more ahead.. so I don't see why teases of all those other characters are needed.... if they ultimately don't lead anywhere.

[spideyboy_1111]

well there large parts of the DC universe. Referencing them connects things better imo... It wouldn't be horrible for Smallville to end with a montage showing other heroes at work, Superman ushering in the age of heroes. i mean hardly anythings "needed" was 10 years of Smallville needed? no... it all coulda been told in 5... it's not about what's "needed"

hell that wouldn't be a bad idea at all.. a final montage showing the heroes we've seen at work individually or partnered... and some just brief glimpses.. like a villain getting stopped in his tracks by a batterang, and a golden lasso tying up somone... and then another showing a ring with a green light.... stuff like that is just fun as hell easter eggs.

also ... we've seen the original green lanterns lantern in the movie event this year... so i still find it extremely stupid they couldn't show a green lantern on smallville since he's already had a bit of a reference.

[MJZ]

Incredible. It may not be the best episode of the series but I think it's the most important. September can't come fast enough.

[Man of Tomorrow]

also ... we've seen the original green lanterns lantern in the movie event this year... so i still find it extremely stupid they couldn't show a green lantern on smallville since he's already had a bit of a reference.


Alan Scott is a different type of Green Lantern than those of the GL Corps.

They later embraced him as an honourary member, but his origins/powers have nothing to do with the Corps, so it would make sense if there's no GL Corps in the SV Verse.

[B]

Very cool finale, made up quite alot for last seasons after such a great build up.

I wouldn't say this is the best finale or the best episode this season, however it certainly wasn't a disappointment by any means. It was a good climax to what has been quite a good story all things considered & left a rather good climax for several characters not only Clark.

Shame about Tess, I'd have traded her for Chloe any day as I feel the Chloe character has run her course at least based on current material.. whereas the Tess character could have proved entertaining when Lex actually returns.. who was the old doll that went into Tess's room after she died..?

Final few scenes where great with Clark/Zod & the Kryptonian's, the ending with Clark is a puzzler though.. with Blue-K in his gut either someone needs to remove the Book of Rao from the thing & he needs to remove the dagger then hit the pavement no problem or fly.. OR he removes the Blue-K in mid-air & it also sends him to the place where the other Kryptonian's went.. (Apokolips anyone?)

It is also a good shame about Zod, Callum Blue has really grown on me throughout the season as Zod. He really made the perfect replacement for Lex, I wouldn't be upset if somehow he found a way to escape/return to Earth from wherever he was sent & mount an assault on the Planet. :D

Overall twas a very good & entertaining episode/finale, September cannot come quick enough. :up:

Best shot of the episode was the 1 handed ownage of Zod by Clark after he sent Lois flying, it was a perfectly timed right hook that looked awesome :up:

Oh yes & the opening scene was cool, I was expecting that \S/ eye reflection to be something near the end. It was a very cool opening to the episode, lets see Clark actually don the Superman like suit after the premiere/fallout stuff from the Zod arc is sorted for next season :up:

[Doc Ock]

Oh yes & the opening scene was cool, I was expecting that \S/ eye reflection to be something near the end. It was a very cool opening to the episode, lets see Clark actually don the Superman like suit after the premiere/fallout stuff from the Zod arc is sorted for next season :up:

The opening scene had me MEGA excited, by the time the opening credits rolled around I was super pumped! It was great!

[Man of Tomorrow]

Shame about Tess, I'd have traded her for Chloe any day as I feel the Chloe character has run her course at least based on current material.. whereas the Tess character could have proved entertaining when Lex actually returns.. who was the old doll that went into Tess's room after she died..?

Tess/Cassidy Freeman is back next season.

Resurrected by Granny Goodness.

Considering there's no Rosbenbaum/Lex, they can't get rid of her off the show.

Callum Blue was the departing castmember.

[Primal Slayer]

So I have to wonder and hope they address this next season: Does this mean that Kara also got transported to "New Krypton"?

[KALEL114]

She wasn't on Earth. She went out in space looking for Kandor.

[DaJanksta]

So I wonder if lex is going to maybe make a next seaon finale...I hope so that would be cool.

[SpideyVille]

If Tess is resurrected, will she still look all burned up? I'm sorry but I'm not familiar with Granny Goodness or any of the other possible characters mentioned to appear in the episode.

[spideyboy_1111]

i did find it odd they burned tess ala 2-face with like an exact half and half face.. straight down the middle. There any other DC character that has a half an half face? even with a mask on?

[SuperNoob]

Sorry if it's already been answered, but...

Once CK has the blue dagger removed, why wouldn't he be transported up? In theory, wouldn't the portal be open as long as the Book of Rao is on the crystals?

Unless one hero catches Clark as another removes the Book?

Dunno. Just wondering out loud.

[spideyboy_1111]

well tess said the device was on top of there birds nest in the sky... which would mean watch tower. So if that's watch tower's roof top... im sure it wouldn't take all but 5 seconds for chloe to remove the book of rao and for either clark to remove the knife and get his powers back, or hawk man to sweep by and pick him up.

i really hope though, he pulls the knife out, and then flies in the season opener.

[Webhead2006]

No the roof he was on isnt watchtower its a different building we seen clark peerch at watching over the city throuhout the season. As for the book of rao i would say they would probably have to be within a few feet of the book/console for it to zap them up.

oh totally the whole bs of conflicting live action takes or them blocking characters from use sucks alot. Cause you would think it would help promote and get the character known a bit more and all that. But hey we still have gotten some great heroes and villains in the show. And through the yrs we have seen many restrictions lifted on the show. So i am pretty happy with where things are. Totally cant wait to see how season ten goes.

Also yea the opening was wicked great, and we can thank greg beeman for it. Cause it wasnt in the original script too. So thanks beeman for that future flash hehe. As for tess yea from most reports it has said she does have a tenth yr contract. But for all we know she could not return it could happen. But if she does return, having granny goodness revive her and turn her into a female fury would be cool way to go about the character now.

[Serene]

Loved this episode like crazy. Kudos to TPTB for getting their crap together and taking the season out in a way shows the best of what this show can be.

:up:

[Zing79]

Im late to the party but just as happy as most of you about how good the ep was. Like everyone else says: It's going to be a long four months.

[Kryptonian Warrior]

OK, I have been thinking about his since the show last night. OK at the beginning of the show, we see that it takes place in 2013, that immediately got me thinking about how the show is going to end, and I don't believe that we are going to see him in the suit. The reason that I say that is because everyone acted surprised when they saw him save that plane, ya know, the "Look up in the sky" line. It was like nobody had ever seen him before. So if that "first sighting" takes place in 2013, then the final season will end in 2011, a full 2 years before he has reveals himself to the world as Superman. Isn't the timeline on Smallville in our real time, or pretty close to it?

On a side note, my daughter looked at me like I had lobsters coming out of my ears when I saw the glimpse of the suit on Smallville. It wasn't the fact that it was the suit, it was the fact that it was the suit on Smallville. I had a MAJOR nerd-gasm right in front of my daughter. I feel dirty. :hehe:

well tess said the device was on top of there birds nest in the sky... which would mean watch tower. So if that's watch tower's roof top... im sure it wouldn't take all but 5 seconds for chloe to remove the book of rao and for either clark to remove the knife and get his powers back, or hawk man to sweep by and pick him up.

i really hope though, he pulls the knife out, and then flies in the season opener.
I think that the only person that would be able to save him, if in fact that's the route they go, would be MM. Since Hawkman was in Egypt. I wouldn't think that he would have had enough time to get back to Metropolis?

I'm with you in the hopes that he pulls the knife out and flies away. He has got to know that he can fly by now. I mean he has seen Kara do it....WAIT A MINUTE!!! Didn't Kara once tell him that she would teach him how to fly? Anyways, he just freakin saw the Kandorians fly right before his sent them to their new world. I just don't understand what is holding him back, besides the writers, of course.

[SpideyVille]

Yeah, I don't think that was watchtower since it was the same building Lois was on when she first met Zod posing as the Blur, so I doubt Lois and Zod would meet up there without noticing watchtower.

And I'm hoping that if Clark pulls out the dagger and flies, that they don't do something like he flies subconsciously to save his life but doesn't know or remember how. Either way, he has to pull that dagger out cuz he wont survive the fall if he's still human. And if someone catches him, why couldn't they have been there sooner to help him against Zod? Ah, so many questions and so many more possibilites.

[KBX]

I see smallville has not forgetten about Bruno. Got this once I rewatched the episode...

http://forums.superherohype.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6112&stc=1&d=1273994155

[web_head83]

Great finale to season 9, bring on season 10 now!! Only one thing i noticed a bit wrong was in the opening sequence after he's opened the gift left by Martha, the reflection in his eyes of the suit has the \S/ the right way round which must mean on the suit its backwards!! Good one Smallville, you finally give us the suit but its so close yet so far, lol. Am sure it wasnt intentional mind. Clark to fly in season 10 opener for sure i think before he hits the ground.

[spider-neil]

who is the female character from apokalips who is dressed in blue and has bandeges over her face that can be uses as whips? maybe tess becomes that character.

also why do you guess think the old woman was granny goodness in the first place?

[KBX]

Lashina is the whip lady you are talking about.

Producers told us that there will be a hint of who the baddie of season 10 will be. The old lady cameo seems to be that hint, which many people speculate is Granny Goodness. Im pretty sure the hint is not Lex.

[spider-neil]

What's the merit in just referencing them through name drops? It's pretty empty.

This show already does enough teasing of DC mythos (like the opening of the finale) and there's bound to be more ahead.. so I don't see why teases of all those other characters are needed.... if they ultimately don't lead anywhere.

if dc want bruce wayne for one episode they can make it happen. SV is so far off cannon its not even funny so its not as if continuity is a problem.
also its the final season of smallville (I think) so why the heck not? WB own batman and superman they can make this happen.

[spider-neil]

Lashina is the whip lady you are talking about.

Producers told us that there will be a hint of who the baddie of season 10 will be. The old lady cameo seems to be that hint, which many people speculate is Granny Goodness. Im pretty sure the hint is not Lex.

if there is an apokalips based season then the JLA/JSA v darkseid and co would be amazing

clark v darkseid
hawkman v orion

if season 10 is the final season and you are going to go out, go out with a bang

[elgaz]

Absolutely brilliant finale! Great story, great acting from all, and it was great to finally see a proper Zod/Clark fight that shows Clark can hold his own.

And on that note, Clark in this episode was more Superman-like than he's ever been. Making all the decisions, leading his team, willingly sacrificing himself at the end to banish Zod.

Can't wait for the S10 premiere to come round. I'm interested to see how they will save Clark (cos we all know he won't die) and also how they'll proceed with Lois now that she knows Clark is the Blur.

I can't believe we saw a glimpse of Superman.:woot:

But did anyone esle found it stupid when every Kandorian learned about Zod? Did Zod forget they have super hearing or something?!?!? That part really annoyed me.

I thought this was a great twist. Zod spent much of the season trying to get the Kandorians their powers, yet in his arrogance at the end it's these very powers which cause them all to turn away from him.

[Sam Fisher]

Not really. He could just be an intern. Chloe was an intern at the Planet when she was 15-16. Jimmy's brother looked to be about 11 or 12 at the funeral, maybe older.Really? I thought he was younger than that.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

Absolutely brilliant finale! Great story, great acting from all, and it was great to finally see a proper Zod/Clark fight that shows Clark can hold his own.

And on that note, Clark in this episode was more Superman-like than he's ever been. Making all the decisions, leading his team, willingly sacrificing himself at the end to banish Zod.

Can't wait for the S10 premiere to come round. I'm interested to see how they will save Clark (cos we all know he won't die) and also how they'll proceed with Lois now that she knows Clark is the Blur.

You could easily tell they heard the fan backlash from the DD fight and gave us a proper one this time around. It's like they were shouting right at us "here's the fight you guys wanted last year".

[Mike22]

Probably the best season finale Smallville has ever had.

1. Opening sequence was what I've been waiting for 9 years to see, all kinds of awesomeness. I was smiling so much it was starting to hurt.

2. Clark opening that Package Martha left for him, was just great, I'm guessing the new prototype suit for next season the producers said he would get. Extremely curious to see what that'll look like, since It really can't be the actual suit. And equally important: Will he still operate in the dark, or will be actually be making some appearances in the light as well, but still living up to his Blur name and not letting anyone see his face?! I look forward to finding out, very exiting indeed.

3. The super punch From Clark that threw Zod across the city was just fantastic, that's Superman right there folks.

4. The final fight was great, and very inventive since it would've cost hell of a lot more doing a super-fight, which is what I thought it was gonna be the whole time. But still, very very well done and more interesting really than the usual super-fights we get to see, which really aren't the same anymore due to budget restraints. Kudos to Smallville.

5. Granny Goodness and the Para-demons. THIS I am really looking forward to. The last two seasons were with a mindless monster and a villain we've seen and heard so much of in the past. But Darkseid and his army is a different beast altogether. SO so very curious to see how they're gonna approach next season.

6. Great acting from Everyone. In the past Welling come off as a hit and miss acting-wise, but as of lately that has completely disappeared and now he's officially reached a stage where I feel he just nails it every time he's in a scene. Just overall great work. Kudos to him.


I do have concerns however.

1. In the opening sequence Lois has a ring on her finger, which means that they're either engaged or married. But when she went down looking for Clark ( weird really, since she seemed to have taken the elevator down to the basement of the Planet, I'm guessing that they're still down there for a couple of years, would've thought they'd of moved up a but since, but whatever) with the glasses on the table and the chair spinning, she had that weird look on her face that can only be translated as confused. I noticed that and wondered just how in the know she really is about the secret.
First off, HATE the idea that they're going to get married, just all kinds of crap right there. Secondly, does she or doesn't she know??? The producers have always said it would line up with the Donner movies and I hope the stick with that, with not letting her know.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

I doubt she'll know his secret by that point, mind wipe, amnesia, whatever. I got the same vibe you got from that scene, she was confused, and it was obvious.

[Mike22]

I doubt she'll know his secret by that point, mind wipe, amnesia, whatever. I got the same vibe you got from that scene, she was confused, and it was obvious.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one. A lot of people here keep suggesting that she does know based on that ring on her finger. And frankly it would make a lot of sense, since Clark would never go as far as marriage without coming clean about his little secret.
But still, that puzzled look on her face was just screaming mystery, and I'm clinging to that hoping to God she doesn't know. Otherwise It would be like Lois and Clark, and I don't want that. That show went downhill after they got married. Not that we're ever gonna see that, but I just like the idea of the people around Clark to not know. Not Lois, not Perry not anyone in the working place.

[elgaz]

Some more thoughts on the finale .... thought I'd jot them down while they're still in my head!

- Does anyone else think there's a chance the Kandorians have actually been transported to the Bottle city, rather than another planet or universe?

- A few people have suggested that Clark might be saved mid-fall by Martian Manhunter. Although this seems like the obvious solution, it has been done before - when Clark was stabbed and MM flew him to the Sun. He can't always be there for Clark.
Personally I feel it would be better if Clark removed the knife himself and turned as he fell. Just before he hits the ground, he starts to regain his powers and stops himself subconsciously before he hits the ground. He could hover there for a few seconds, amazed - much like how the young Clark Kent did it when he fell through the barn in Superman Returns.

- I have a feeling the costume left by Martha may be an incomplete version of the Superman costume - perhaps the blue body suit and 'S', but without the cape/belt/boots. On that note, I think Clark putting on the cape would be a suitable iconic way to finish Season 10 and finalise his transformation into Superman

- ............. and finally, more a suggestion than a complaint. We saw the effects of the Kandorian's havoc around the globe via shots of monuments like the Great Wall of China burning. Whilst these were very effective at showing us the world outside Metropolis, I felt that News Reports (either TV ones, or even just reports coming into the daily planet) would have been even more effective, and we would have guaged the response of other people in the world. It's not every day super powered aliens attack the planet!
This is something which could still be implemented in the S10 premiere, showing the reactions of people in the immediate aftermath of these attacks.

[DrMylesOBoogie]

Otherwise It would be like Lois and Clark, and I don't want that. That show went downhill after they got married. There's no denying that Lois & Clark was a much better show in the earlier days when Lois didnt know Clark's secret. However it was overall quality of that show declined. It had nothing to do with her knowing the secret. In fact the longer Clark's dishonest with the people he cares about the more tedious it becomes and the character is less likable. She's known in the comics for years now and it works. I find the secret thing tiresome if it goes on too long.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

There's no denying that Lois & Clark was a much better show in the earlier days when Lois didnt know Clark's secret. However it was overall quality of that show declined. It had nothing to do with her knowing the secret. In fact the longer Clark's dishonest with the people he cares about the more tedious it becomes and the character is less likable. She's known in the comics for years now and it works. I find the secret thing tiresome if it goes on too long.

Agreed, when she found out Clark's secret it was a breath of fresh air, they even brought in Bruce Campbell for a little mini-saga at the begining of Season 3 which was sweet as hell.

It wasn't until the frog/clone saga kicked in midway though and they started teasing you with the marriage an umpteenth amount of times that the show started getting stale. You can even pinpoint exactly when the show went from "yay to nay", the second Terri started sporting that horrible haircut :doh:

[blksuperman2]

Awesome, Awesome, Awesome season finale. One of the best this series has had and they've had plenty of good finales. I loved everything about this episode. The glimpse of Superman in 2013, The \S/ reflection in Clark's eyes, the super tiger-uppercut, Lois figuring out Clark is the Blur, and most importantly, Clark using his brain to defeat Zod. Very Supermanesque and just an all around enjoyable episode.

[Mike22]

There's no denying that Lois & Clark was a much better show in the earlier days when Lois didnt know Clark's secret. However it was overall quality of that show declined. It had nothing to do with her knowing the secret. In fact the longer Clark's dishonest with the people he cares about the more tedious it becomes and the character is less likable. She's known in the comics for years now and it works. I find the secret thing tiresome if it goes on too long.

I have never experienced him to be less likable in any way. He made a choice to become superman, and for the sake of the greater good he has to lie to the people close to him, It's a matter of perspective.
He should have a long career as Clark the journalist and Superman the crime fighter before he decides to take his personal life a step further and share it with Lois.It would be my preferred choice that they not have Lois know, but merely suggest that she will indeed find out in the future.

[SuperNoob]

I think she knows. My take on her seeing the spinning chair was that her confused-ish look was more of a "I wonder if something's wrong?" look.

Then when she sees Supes, she just has that knowing smile of "Oh, THERE he is."

I don't think any of us can say her expression "HAS" to be one thing over the other. We're all just speculating.

Also, small nit-pick here, in one scene, Clark is at the corner deli waiting for Lois to call and tell him what kind of sandwich she wants, and 10 seconds later he's speeding away from his desk. Small detail they missed that bugged me.

[spawnjack01]

I've been (as most of you) counting the hours until this ep aired. This is because I love a good season finale that leaves us with a good cliffhanger...

Well... I just got a chance to see it and I realise that I've been fooling myself.
I HATE good season finales with good cliffhangers.
They make the forthcoming months of waiting a livin hell.

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

^it will go by a lot quicker than you think, it's pretty much right around the corner

[COMPO]

So what does Granny want with dead Tess? Can she be revived as a Darkseid soldier? Can they inhabit her? Steal her memories? I'm not real sure what their capabilities are.

And was there anything important about her time of death? 3:33 pm just seemed like something they wanted us to notice, but I wasn't sure why.

Well, Tess knows about Checkmate and apparently they know of Apokolips so maybe they wanna know what they know

Amazing finale. Amazing intro, (total geekasm), and Amazing cliffhanger. Boy oh boy, the writing has been good this time round, and the direction too.

Look at that S, and those bright, clean crisp red and blues.

When I heard the whole Clark will have to go to, I was shouting at the screen, "make him human for a scec, for God's sake make him human for a sec"! And that's just when the blue kryptonite came in ... and I Loved it...

I agree with other posters, I really want Smallville to continue beyond season 10, if the writing remains this good.

<V>

I don't think Blue Kryptonite occurred to them and plus its a lot harder to find or produce than normal kryptonite in such a short time whereas Zod had been planing for this moment

I think the show will miss Tess Mercer, but if they turn around and GG brings her back then it'll feel cheap. Limited Chloe for season 10 might suck a bit too but now that Lois knows it almost replaces that sort of dynamic that Chloe had represented since season 5.

I bet we get Boss Dark Side first and then his Darkseid form at the end of the season.

I'd rather have DarkSied in the shadows, we see a silhouette on the monitors until finally he's revealed when he attacks and takes over Earth.

Yeah. It's pretty obvious Lois and Clark will get married next season if it's the last.

I wonder how they'll do the Parademons.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/745959-para_7_large.jpg

Most likely in full body armor/suits with masks so their faces aren't seen, like the grunts on Power Rangers.

I want Batman in this just so he can dodge the Omega beam again :D

I can't believe we saw a glimpse of Superman.:woot:

But did anyone esle found it stupid when every Kandorian learned about Zod? Did Zod forget they have super hearing or something?!?!? That part really annoyed me.

Zod thought he had the Kandorians, whereas Thala's faith in him was conflicted with Clark and I suppose all the Kandorians.

That would be great, but I'm pretty sure Rosenbaum isn't planning on returning for more than an episode or two at the end of the series, based on interviews with him in the past.

What has Rosenbaum been doing? I haven't heard much.

Maybe Lex is starting an early campaign for 2016? :oldrazz:

Well knowing Lex he would go for an early Election if a President didn't go for him, either putting up a new candidate who will favour him or run himself. In this case, he's trying to take on Obama :D

We're all gonna keep our eyes peeled for new promo shots of clark wearing the red/blue outfit this summer that's for damn sure.

2bh I'd love if the next series he just wears the suit and have like Superman Year One.

Or a Tim Burton Superman movie that was never made.

*shivers*

But then he wouldn't wear the suit... it's too faggy :P

So I wonder if lex is going to maybe make a next seaon finale...I hope so that would be cool.

mmmm I wonder if Lex will be a soldier of Apokolips.

i did find it odd they burned tess ala 2-face with like an exact half and half face.. straight down the middle. There any other DC character that has a half an half face? even with a mask on?

I thought that, was tryna figure out who it could be.

Yeah, I don't think that was watchtower since it was the same building Lois was on when she first met Zod posing as the Blur, so I doubt Lois and Zod would meet up there without noticing watchtower.

And I'm hoping that if Clark pulls out the dagger and flies, that they don't do something like he flies subconsciously to save his life but doesn't know or remember how. Either way, he has to pull that dagger out cuz he wont survive the fall if he's still human. And if someone catches him, why couldn't they have been there sooner to help him against Zod? Ah, so many questions and so many more possibilites.

Didn't Zod take out their satalittes so they couldn't get in touch or something plus I think they were all over the world.

if there is an apokalips based season then the JLA/JSA v darkseid and co would be amazing

clark v darkseid
hawkman v orion

if season 10 is the final season and you are going to go out, go out with a bang

I thought Orion was a good guy, would be cool to have the New Gods come to help fight Clark. What if the Kandorians are sent to the New Gods or something.

Some more thoughts on the finale .... thought I'd jot them down while they're still in my head!

- Does anyone else think there's a chance the Kandorians have actually been transported to the Bottle city, rather than another planet or universe?

- A few people have suggested that Clark might be saved mid-fall by Martian Manhunter. Although this seems like the obvious solution, it has been done before - when Clark was stabbed and MM flew him to the Sun. He can't always be there for Clark.
Personally I feel it would be better if Clark removed the knife himself and turned as he fell. Just before he hits the ground, he starts to regain his powers and stops himself subconsciously before he hits the ground. He could hover there for a few seconds, amazed - much like how the young Clark Kent did it when he fell through the barn in Superman Returns.

- I have a feeling the costume left by Martha may be an incomplete version of the Superman costume - perhaps the blue body suit and 'S', but without the cape/belt/boots. On that note, I think Clark putting on the cape would be a suitable iconic way to finish Season 10 and finalise his transformation into Superman

- ............. and finally, more a suggestion than a complaint. We saw the effects of the Kandorian's havoc around the globe via shots of monuments like the Great Wall of China burning. Whilst these were very effective at showing us the world outside Metropolis, I felt that News Reports (either TV ones, or even just reports coming into the daily planet) would have been even more effective, and we would have guaged the response of other people in the world. It's not every day super powered aliens attack the planet!
This is something which could still be implemented in the S10 premiere, showing the reactions of people in the immediate aftermath of these attacks.


2bh I'd like if Clark took out the blue kryptonite but crashed to the ground although alive due to his powers being somewhat back, he's still pretty beaten up.

[KALEL114]

I'm really glad they told us how Martha knew so much about the Book of Rao and Kryptonian culture. I was a bit confused about it in the previous episode.

[SpideyVille]

I don't think that glimpse of the future was Superman's first appearance necessarily because Lois looks up with a confident smile that says she knows there's no true danger since someone is going to stop the plane from hitting the building. I mean it could be the first time he flies or the first time he's in full costume, but judging from Lois' reaction this doesn't seem like it was a first-time thing.

[Prison Mike]

No it wasn't Superman's first time. I think he was already well established before that scene. I also think that she knows Superman is Clark because of the way she looks at Clark's desk with his glasses still there. It seemed to me that she kind of expected it.

[COMPO]

you know the Metropolis skyline we saw The Daily Planet but with LuthorCorp did it say "LuthorCorp" on it or "LexCorp"

[zerohour films]

I think as well that he's already established in that scene as Superman. I think there was just the classic line because a) it's a classic and b) the plane was heading right for those people so they were pretty excited that Supes saved them.

On another note I just got a chance to watch the finale and I have to say....dadgum that flippin' fantastic!!!

I still need to process it all, but I haven't been this excited or pleased with a Smallville episode in a very long time. Everything was just top notch...would I have loved for it to play out over 2 hrs sure, but it still worked and flowed well.

Man, just some all around awesome stuff...and he has the freakin' suit! I can't believe it!

[B]

Tess/Cassidy Freeman is back next season.

Resurrected by Granny Goodness.

Just read this on the eyeskyward forum, so if Granny Goodness is making an appearence that much mean that.. he will be arriving on Smallville..:wow:

Oh I can't f-ing wait for season 10, great season this year. Definatly made up for last years blip :up:

Considering there's no Rosbenbaum/Lex, they can't get rid of her off the show.

Callum Blue was the departing castmember.

I'd like to hope they'll find some way for Zod to escape wherever it send the Kryptonian's just so Blue can make a return. I always thought they'd have sent Zod at least to the PZ so then the Phantom Zod & he would become one at least putting him in the correct body.

[spideyboy_1111]

But then he wouldn't wear the suit... it's too faggy :P


and you're too offensive. :)

[KALEL114]

Wow. I didn't even notice he wrote that. :down

[DrayvensCrow]

This may have already been proposed so forgive me if it has:

If Season 10 is to be the very last season, then why not send it out with the biggest bang WB/CW/DC has ever done? Absolute Justice was a two hr. event, make the series finale at least a two hr. if not three hr. show? One whole night of SV to say "Thanks for watching for a decade". You can bring back everyone you want for it and get all of the loose ends taken care of, leading up to Clark making his big, final reveal as Big Blue. The last half of the season leading up to it can be used to get rid of anyone not essential to the finale and even give you the chance to intro some that everyone has been wishing for ever since they started: Bruce Wayne/Batman, Diana/WW, etc. I'm not a writer as such but maybe someone here could put together a hypothetical synopsis along this line....

[paranoidboy]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs358.snc3/29489_423913824852_625504852_5419822_6096877_n.jpg

[SpiderByte]

That pic was already posted, but still awesome nonetheless.

I reported Compo. Shouldn't that word be censored, anyway? I'm surprised it isnt.

[spideyboy_1111]

should be... but i guess isnt.

[Binker]

The Superman reflection image, here's your HD version (I think its HD, since its 1280x720):
http://www.hotn-caps.com/smallville/screencaps/albums/SV9x22/922Smallville0067.jpg

[spideyboy_1111]

nice, well i guess this means his costume will look like his costume.

[SpiderByte]

A promo I made for Season 10 (spoilered due to size.)

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii289/SpiderByte_photo/smallville10.jpg

[SpideyVille]

Lol, well it certainly doesn't look like something leather made by Ollie's tailor.

I was actually surprised that Martha left him a costume/shirt/red and yellow 'S' instead of having him make him himself ... and it worked so well since was just there and they never showed her leaving so it's pretty believable that it wasn't there mysteriously.

[COMPO]

and you're too offensive. :)

Wow. I didn't even notice he wrote that. :down

That pic was already posted, but still awesome nonetheless.

I reported Compo. Shouldn't that word be censored, anyway? I'm surprised it isnt.

Okay Guys, I just wanna say that I didn't mean for that comment to be seen as offensive or to be offensive for that matter. It was meant as a joke. And I don't mean in a homophobic sort of way. It was an inside joke to the interview Kevin Smith did about his involvement in Tim Burton's Superman film.

Here's the link to the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYhLIThTvk

Again this was meant as an inside joke, I thought people would get as Kevin Smiths involvement is kind of well known. Again if it was thought as offensive, I'm sorry.

[Binker]

Am'I right in assuming that the SV suit from that shot is the same, if not similar, suit from SR?

[SpiderByte]

It's way too blurry to tell. Exactly what type it is.

[spideyboy_1111]

nice, well i guess this means his costume will look like his costume.

[spideyboy_1111]

Okay Guys, I just wanna say that I didn't mean for that comment to be seen as offensive or to be offensive for that matter. It was meant as a joke. And I don't mean in a homophobic sort of way. It was an inside joke to the interview Kevin Smith did about his involvement in Tim Burton's Superman film.

Here's the link to the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYhLIThTvk

Again this was meant as an inside joke, I thought people would get as Kevin Smiths involvement is kind of well known. Again if it was thought as offensive, I'm sorry.

just a lesson to you.. "***, ******, or faggy" are derogatory terms... some gay guys are ok with it... but most not. Closets thing one can compare it to would be the "N" word.

[B]

Am'I right in assuming that the SV suit from that shot is the same, if not similar, suit from SR?

Its really hard to make such a conclusion, picture is far too blurry to tell what sort of design the suit is/was.

I can't even really see the cape to be honest, the only details I can really vaguely make out are the blurred \S/ & trunks. It is hard to make out however on my screen it looks to me as if the shade of red for the \S/ looks brighter than that on the trunks.. however the picture is blurry & it is a reflection of the suit from a bronzy metal.

If you watch the entier sequence in slow-mo you can pause the episode as he whooshes past the camera twice, colors in these 'whooshes' look bang on :up:

[TheLongestDay]

Okay Guys, I just wanna say that I didn't mean for that comment to be seen as offensive or to be offensive for that matter. It was meant as a joke. And I don't mean in a homophobic sort of way. It was an inside joke to the interview Kevin Smith did about his involvement in Tim Burton's Superman film.

Here's the link to the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgYhLIThTvk

Again this was meant as an inside joke, I thought people would get as Kevin Smiths involvement is kind of well known. Again if it was thought as offensive, I'm sorry.

Dont worry COMPO I got it! lol

[Mike_D202]

Am'I right in assuming that the SV suit from that shot is the same, if not similar, suit from SR?

Yeah his underwear and boots are burgendy.

[TheLongestDay]

Am'I right in assuming that the SV suit from that shot is the same, if not similar, suit from SR?

well for starters the S shield is way bigger :woot:

[SpiderByte]

In response to the 'Bruce Wayne' idea someone posted a bit ago.


http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0702/12/smallvillela.htm

Once again bringing up the point that everyone is forgetting. Legal issues.


If they could get him, they definetly would have gotten him already.

Lightings too bad, and its too blurry to really tell.

[LL2K2]

The Superman reflection image, here's your HD version (I think its HD, since its 1280x720):
http://www.hotn-caps.com/smallville/screencaps/albums/SV9x22/922Smallville0067.jpg

Am'I right in assuming that the SV suit from that shot is the same, if not similar, suit from SR?

You're not the only one. The darker colors, long torso, shorter trunks, and T-shirt collar - all attributes found on the SR costume - are definitely there.

And that's been one thing I've been concerned about. If TPTB decide to put Welling in the suit, then it would have to be a unique design, with no obvious nods to previous actors.

[SpideyVille]

IDK, but when he passed by, the color of the blur looked more red than burgundy :o.

[lespaul59]

As for Lois looking confused, if you rewatch the opening Lois hears the wosh, then you hear about the plane and when she gets to where she can see whats going on she smiles. My take on the confused look would be where is clark going and whats wrong, then she sees him saving the plane and smiles. Also if you read the headline to the right of Lex it says Police surevey now shows 20% crime reduction. So I doubt SM saving the plane is the first appearence of SM.

[zerohour films]

Keep in mind that this scene wasn't originally planned and was probably completed rather quickly. That being said I wouldn't put too much into the CGI model we see there as it relates to what we will eventually see TW wearing.

I agree that the shot of him under the plane resembles the SR suit in cut and color (save for the larger \S/). For all we know given their limited time it's possible that the same digital model was used here from SR (they've also used S:TM footage, Terminator footage, and Watchmen sets so not completely out of the realm I don't think). It could even be an unsed digital model (test model maybe) from SR given the different size \S/.

As others have said the red in the whooshes by appeared much brighter and I imagine will be closer to what we get in the end....let me tell you I CANNOT wait!

Anyone else here think that Beeman needs to direct the series finale?

:woot::supes::woot:

[lespaul59]

Keep in mind that this scene wasn't originally planned and was probably completed rather quickly. That being said I wouldn't put too much into the CGI model we see there as it relates to what we will eventually see TW wearing.

I agree that the shot of him under the plane resembles the SR suit in cut and color (save for the larger \S/). For all we know given their limited time it's possible that the same digital model was used here from SR (they've also used S:TM footage, Terminator footage, and Watchmen sets so not completely out of the realm I don't think). It could even be an unsed digital model (test model maybe) from SR given the different size \S/.

As others have said the red in the whooshes by appeared much brighter and I imagine will be closer to what we get in the end....let me tell you I CANNOT wait!

Anyone else here think that Beeman needs to direct the series finale?

:woot::supes::woot:

I agree. I know that the Termintaot 3 footage was used twice, if I remember correctly and are not forgetting any other times it may have been used. The first time would have been in the S1 episode with the old lady that see the cape with the yellow S sheild and the second is the S7episode where Clark see what would have happend if he hadn't came to earth. If they have things like this they can use and it really works with the episode I think it's a great time and money saver. And if Beeman can do a series finale as good as this season finale then I say yes. I still think this the S9 finale is at least in the top three season finales if not the best finale.

[Webhead2006]

Yea its going to be a long 4 months waiting to see where things go. Who will save clark? What will lois do? And how is darkseid/his minions going to play out. I cant wait to see where it all goes. As for the future superman scene, and lois i do agree that they were probably married by that point. Which is logical since they been friends for yrs, and would been dating for awhile. And her look at clark's chair/glasses i took it more as she knew he was out being superman. As for the costume i think it looks great, i dont think its like the SR suit(god i really hated that one) and only reason it looks to be darker color on trucks/boots is he is bit in the shadows on the under side of the bi plane. When we see him flash by the colors are bright and bold. And i doubt smallville would muck up the red/blue like singer did in Sr. Heck clark's tshirts/jackets were dead on right color tone for supes over the years.

As for season ten like i said in the season 10 spoiler/news thread. i do hope they announce right off the bat at upfronts this coming week or at comic con its the end. so it can be promoted as that. Then also hopefully being the end is confirmed. For any remaining superman restrictions on the show to be lifted from WB. So they can go all out for the season. Then also would be nice for a slight budget increase via cw(not likely) or by wb tv. So they have more to work with. Cant wait for more to come.

[M.O.Steel]

i have to say, it's been a while since I LOVED a smallville episode. interesting enough, the last time this happened was episode ZOD (one of the opener i forget which). Loved it, especially the fight scene (although the christ resemblance is a bit too much, no one falls like that. they still could had the overall same pose, but make it look more natural)

I really think people are reading way into the suit being similar to the SR suit (and i'm one of those that didn't have THAT much of a problem with it). it was way fast and blurry. at least we know that they are acknowledging the classic suit instead of going trunkless or making it black and other changes

[spider-neil]

am I the one who thought smallville were going to pull the 'memory wipe kiss' from superman 2 when clark (as the blur) and lois had that long kiss and she was dazed afterwards?

[pwl4life]

am I the one who thought smallville were going to pull the 'memory wipe kiss' from superman 2 when clark (as the blur) and lois had that long kiss and she was dazed afterwards?

I had the same thought, or rather fear that that's what was gonna happen

[Dave_W]

If that's meant to be a reflection in his eyes...then it's back to front!
:woot:

Looks like I was right. How could they miss that?!

[batlovescatDC]

I'm over the fact that there won't be a Bruce Wayne appearance (and with the great Nolan films going on, I actually don't think I wouldn't want to see it). However, one character I'm really still holding onto hope for is Wonder Woman... I REALLY want to see Diana on the show for atleast one episode. I doubt it'll happen, but one can still hope if they wish.

I also would love an appearance by The Question, Steel (he's definitely big ally of Superman's we haven't seen yet), Captain Atom, or Captain Marvel... hell, even all of them would great. these characters are more realistic to expect to see on SV and would make really great story archs. Clark and Steel should definitely meet in one episode without any other characters appearing in it so they can atleast establish some of the background between the two of them. And then the other characters could come in on another episode where Clark has come into the role of the leader and is recruiting others to expand the League further... would make for another amazing two-hour tv movie.

Here's what I want to see next season:

-Clark wears the suit
-Clark FINALLY flies
-Perry White becomes editor-in-chief of the Daily Planet
-Lex returns with a force
-Lex teams up with Amanda Waller and Checkmate, manipulating them to get what he wants
-Waller comes to see the error of her ways and has to team with Clark to stop Lex
-Really awesome looking parademons and a realistic-looking Darkseid
-Clark gets taken to Apokolips (we need to see him on another planet finally!)
-Metallo returns... as a true villain this time!
-Clark tells Lois the truth
-Clark and Lois get engaged
-Wonder Woman appearance for atleast one episode
-Kara returns for atleast one episode
-Brainiac returns for atleast one episode
-An episode where Clark and Steel meet.
-An episode where Clark is expanding the league and recruits other heroes (preferrably Steel, The Question, Captain Atom, and Captain Marvel.)

Another great thing about a Steel appearance is that they could do the character right, give his story some justice, and remove the stain of that HORRIBLE Steel movie with Shaquille O'Neal!

[smallville fan]

hey, since Lex Luthor is running for president in the show, won't that set the stage for 'Public Enemies'? so maybe we might see Batman?

oh and by the way, what do you guys think of my latest video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCFh374LXf4

[Rumpy Bulge Dubz]

^don't count on it

that would require Batman in full costume....on Smallville? Yea, I have a better shot of winning the Olympics

[zerohour films]

...And if Beeman can do a series finale as good as this season finale then I say yes. I still think this the S9 finale is at least in the top three season finales if not the best finale.

Yup. He had me at:

Throughout prep, something felt wrong about this. It wasn’t really Clark’s story enough
source: http://gregbeeman.blogspot.com/

I think every director for every episode should approach it from the same angle.

[TheLongestDay]

Here's what I want to see next season:

-Clark wears the suit
-Clark FINALLY flies
-Perry White becomes editor-in-chief of the Daily Planet
-Lex returns with a force
-Lex teams up with Amanda Waller and Checkmate, manipulating them to get what he wants
-Waller comes to see the error of her ways and has to team with Clark to stop Lex
-Really awesome looking parademons and a realistic-looking Darkseid
-Clark gets taken to Apokolips (we need to see him on another planet finally!)
-Metallo returns... as a true villain this time!
-Clark tells Lois the truth
-Clark and Lois get engaged
-Wonder Woman appearance for atleast one episode
-Kara returns for atleast one episode
-Brainiac returns for atleast one episode
-An episode where Clark and Steel meet.
-An episode where Clark is expanding the league and recruits other heroes (preferrably Steel, The Question, Captain Atom, and Captain Marvel.)



Wow....youre going to be dissappointed! :oldrazz:

[Mike22]

So after 10 years of waiting we finally get a suit, and no one took the time to talk about the design?? I know it's a small and blurry picture, but all it takes is some effort and it's clear enough for analyzing/nitpicking.http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

I brightened the picture to get more details out of it, so it's not in it's original colors. But judging from the colors we saw in the reflection in Clarks eyes, the colors are indeed highly accurate so that's what I'm thinking the CGI picture below really looks like, and not necessarily as dark as it appears in the original due to being under the plane and in the shadows.

1. For starters, they got the colors right. Something a 209 million dollar movie franchise failed to do.
The red seems to be just right, with a slightly more brighter shield than the rest of the red. And as long as the it doesn't differ all too much I'm cool with it.

2. The shield seems to be quite large, and quite low on his frame, very much like Reeve's shield. This in my opinion is not right, it should be higher up, not as big as Dean Cains shield and not as small as the SR one.

3. I don't see a cape attachment, which is a bad sign, I don' want it to be like that disaster of a suit from SR. Seriously hurts my eyes just seeing anything that even resembles that crap.

4 The trunks seem to be much higher than we last saw in SR, which is always a good sign.

5. The yellow seems to be different from the shield to the belt. I don't really like the one in the shield, but the belt one seems great though. Something that leans more towards white is the proper way to go.

6. Not to thrilled about the blue though, at least the upper part of it.
It should be darker like it seems to be from the waist down. But that could just be due to the shadows.
A darker blue simply makes it look better and accentuates the actors physique.

7. When he first flew up and we only see a blurry view of the cape, I didn't see a yellow blur, suggesting that Smallville might not include the yellow shield in the cape either, bad bad move. IMO the costume looks somewhat empty without it.

Seeing this makes me wonder just how much thought went into this. I'm hoping not a lot, because frankly Smallville can do better, a lot better.
I know that this is just a CGI shot, and not a very well done one at that, but I hope this CGI one doesn't represent the final suit we're gonna/might see in the end on Welling.


http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3835/smsuit.pnghttp://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3484/smsuit2.png

[The Incredible Hulk]

You guys are WAY over-analyzing the 2 seconds of CGI on that shot.

If anything, they may have borrowed a very basic CGI model from WB Features from SR to defer some of the cost of that shot. This isn't LOST where some clue to the future is buried in it.

The costume designer from Smallville wouldnt have even started concept work on a suit for the end of next season at this point, much less have had a prototype to render into a CGI shot.

[Nathan]

Honestly... Nitpicking galore over 2 seconds. :dry:

[Mike22]

I know, I know. I told you guys in the beginning of the post, it would be nitpicking. But what can I tell ya, it's a slow Monday.http://forums.superherohype.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Brainiac 8]

Just watched the episode finally last night.

And just so I don't just list off everything I liked about the episode like has already been done a bajillion times in this thread, I'll just say that it was absolutely fantastic, one of the best finale's and episodes of the series. Last night was what the last nine years were building too.

Awesome job Beeman. :up:

[Nathan]

My favorite shot of the Episode.

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3056/smalvilleseason901.gif (http://img337.imageshack.us/i/smalvilleseason901.gif/)

[Brainiac 8]

I will tell you one thing I loved...that self satisfied smile that came across Clark's face as he started falling. He knew that he was pretty much done for, but he was happy knowing that his sacrifice saved the planet.

[Nathan]

I liked how they got all of the Kandorians off planet, without actually killing any of them. Not even Zod. I was fully prepared to see him get the dagger into the stomach instead of Clark.