9.22 - Salvation SEASON FINALE Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[ironman29758]

Episode #9-22: "Salvation"

May 14, 2010

Written By: Al Septien & Turi Meyer
Directed By: Greg Beeman
UPDATED 3/4/10: Title and credits posted. Please do not post this on other websites without a link to KryptonSite.com.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/smallvillespoilers.htm

[The Caped Knight]

You mean SEASON 9 FINALE . Since Season 10 is good to Go according to The CW Blog (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%253A%252F%252Fblog.cwtv.com%252F2010% 252F03%252F04%252Fsmallville-to-return-for-a-tenth-season-on-the-cw%252F&h=d10e6009555529fc3a59ccd0e03d1c72&ref=nf)

[ironman29758]

You mean Season Finale . Since Season 10 is good to Go according to The CW Blog (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%253A%252F%252Fblog.cwtv.com%252F2010% 252F03%252F04%252Fsmallville-to-return-for-a-tenth-season-on-the-cw%252F&h=d10e6009555529fc3a59ccd0e03d1c72&ref=nf)
CAN a mod change the title to season finale please

[KalKai]

Were you in a hurry while creating these 2 threads ironman? :D

Do them the proper way: 9.21/9.22 - Title - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

Darkseid will appear in this ep!

[The Caped Knight]

Their's a sense of irony here the Season 9 Premiere title was SAVIOR how fitting is it that the Season 9 Finale is entitled SALVATION . :super:

[KBX]

Darkseid will appear in this ep!

Having the title Salvation will only help that theory... If anything, if TPTB decide to use Darkseid, we won't cleary see him, but hints of him...

[ironman29758]

Were you in a hurry while creating these 2 threads ironman? :D

Do them the proper way: 9.21/9.22 - Title - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)
you know me better than I though KaiKai.:cwink:

[Zorex]

Their's a sense of irony here the Season 9 Premiere title was SAVIOR how fitting is it that the Season 9 Finale is entitled SALVATION . :super:
That's... not really irony, though... :p

[ironman29758]

That's... not really irony, though... :p
what about it's fitting that the last season finale was doomsday and this one was Salvation

[Zorex]

That's just cool titling. :)

Hopefully it doesn't oversell the episode.

[KalKai]

Having the title Salvation will only help that theory... If anything, if TPTB decide to use Darkseid, we won't cleary see him, but hints of him...

1) A glimpse of the planet Apokolips

or

2) Darkseid in the shadows sitting on a throne murmuring some few words

or

3) Both

:awesome:

[SrsBsns]

SUCH a badass title

[BrollySupersj]

I haven't kept up with season 9, I'm watching the series in order. I'm halfway through season 4. :D

So, why do you guys think Darkseid will show up or be mentioned?

[ironman29758]

I haven't kept up with season 9, I'm watching the series in order. I'm halfway through season 4. :D

So, why do you guys think Darkseid will show up or be mentioned?
well alot of people thought Darkseid will come to SV with people like Morgan Edge and Bruno Manheim(intergang members who worked under Darkseid) and the Geof comfirming that Amanda said Apokolips that got alot of people saying he's coming to smallville

[Spider-Gamer]

well alot of people thought Darkseid will come to SV with people like Morgan Edge and Bruno Manheim(intergang members who worked under Darkseid) and the Geof comfirming that Amanda said Apokolips that got alot of people saying he's coming to smallville

Wait... I never heard him say that. Where is the link please? :huh:

[KalKai]

On his twitter, Spidey.

[Spider-Gamer]

On his twitter, Spidey.

Thank you for the heads up1 I just looked up what he said. :yay:

[Webhead2006]

yea great title for SEASON finale. Also great getting an old school former director/producer greg beeman back to direct this episode. Beeman was always one of my favorite old school directors on the show. so its nice to see him return again. Also curious to see how al/turi do writing a season finale. So far i been happy with their work this season.

[Mig-El]

It's great to hear that Greg Beeman is coming back to Smallville. Beeman directed some of the best Smallville episodes. Not to mention, he brilliantly directed Kal-El's first flight in Season's 4 "Crusade"... maybe just maybe in this episode we'll all finally witness Clark taking flight?? *crosses fingers*

[heliorei]

Episode #9-22: "Salvation"

May 14, 2010

Written By: Al Septien & Turi Meyer
Directed By: Greg Beeman
UPDATED 3/4/10: Title and credits posted. Please do not post this on other websites without a link to KryptonSite.com.
http://www.kryptonsite.com/smallvillespoilers.htm

Greg Beeman is back on Smallville? He's a great director, i'm surprised is back.

Wasn't he on Heroes?

[Webhead2006]

yea its a great move having beeman back directing the finale. i cant wait to see what he does. and mig that would be great if beeman has clark flying hehe.

[BrollySupersj]

If season 10 ends up being the last season, having Darkseid be the main antagonist for the final season would be just glorious.

But....I want Clark to fight him as Superman, not...the blue blur or whatever they're calling him now.

[Webhead2006]

yea i would hope if the season is confirmed to be the last for them to officially be able to call him superman for the season or at least half the season.

[bored]

I've always assumed the end of the series would heavily involve his first wearing the costume and taking the Superman name.

[Webhead2006]

well yea we jsut have no clue how things could be for the end. i would perfer though for season 10 by at least halfway through the season he starts to go by superman and then maybe 2nd suit at end of this year/start of next be a step towards the classic. And leave the final look for the last episode.

[BrollySupersj]

IF they're gonna have Clark embrace being Superman to the fullest, season 10 is definitely going to be it.

I hope...:(

[Webhead2006]

totally.

[Brainiac 8]

Greg Beeman is back on Smallville? He's a great director, i'm surprised is back.

Wasn't he on Heroes?


Beeman being behind the director's chair again gets me really excited. He has done some wonderful stuff on the show.

Also - Darksied hint for season ten please. :p

[The Incredible Hulk]

Getting Beeman back is HUGE for the show and also shows how far Heroes has now fallen. Would love to have Jeph Loeb and Steve DeKnight come back for a couple episodes each in Season 10. :up:

[SrsBsns]

Getting Beeman back is HUGE for the show and also shows how far Heroes has now fallen. Would love to have Jeph Loeb and Steve DeKnight come back for a couple episodes each in Season 10. :up:


I would freak out if they did. While I agree with you about Heroes, Hulk, I really feel like the reason we have so many former crew members coming back (McKean, O'Toole, Beeman, possibly Rosenbaum, etc.) is because they're all seeing how great Smallville is again.

My guess is that they all heard that Season 8 did pretty well, and that season 9 is even better and now they all kind of want a piece of the pie again. Hell, we got a 2-hour movie special with the JSA. I'm sure that was a shock to them.

Oh man, what if Miller/Gough had a directorial cameo next season or helped write an episode (series finale maybe?)....I'd be really excited actually.

[Webhead2006]

yea its great to have another old school producer/director return for an episode. Sorta like last season kenneth biller returned to direct an episode and he was gone for a long time. I too definately would love to see loeb return to write an episode, he did say at comic con last year when he hosted the smallville panel he would love to come back if its fits his schedule. I too would love to see deknight write/direct an episode again too. as for al/miles they did write some classic episodes during seasons 1-4 but now i really wouldnt want them in.

[Prison Mike]

Getting Beeman back is HUGE for the show and also shows how far Heroes has now fallen. Would love to have Jeph Loeb and Steve DeKnight come back for a couple episodes each in Season 10. :up:

I know that DeKnight is busy with Spartacus right now. I love that show. :awesome:

[SrsBsns]

yea its great to have another old school producer/director return for an episode. Sorta like last season kenneth biller returned to direct an episode and he was gone for a long time. I too definately would love to see loeb return to write an episode, he did say at comic con last year when he hosted the smallville panel he would love to come back if its fits his schedule. I too would love to see deknight write/direct an episode again too. as for al/miles they did write some classic episodes during seasons 1-4 but now i really wouldnt want them in.

Can't blame ya :o

[Dizagaox]

I do not want Miller or Gough to have any input next season. Not even as consultants, and definitely not for the series finale.

I only trust the current staff of writers, under the supervision of PSW.

[Webhead2006]

yea it would be a nice move to have them come and all that. But with all the changes that have happened since they left. i rather they not come in and you know muck around with what the current writers have going now.

[KBX]

Also - Darksied hint for season ten please. :p

look at this


Salvation Run #1* (http://forums.superherohype.com/#morenotes) (January 2008)


A segment of the agency Checkmate, run by Amanda Waller, was chosen to run the project. The Suicide Squad (a group of expendable villains who could, in theory, redeem themselves) would track down and capture the criminals. Checkmate would use the New Gods’ Boom Tube technology to dump the captives on an alien planet and let them fend for themselves.
Initial surveys showed a peacful world on which the prisoners could, perhaps, build their own society. Or kill each other off. Either way, Checkmate didn’t care: they were out of the way. In reality, the planet was a worldwide deathtrap, a training ground for the Parademons of the planet Apokolips.


http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/savoth.html

Just change the word criminals to Kandorians and you got yourself Smallvilles season finale spoiled right there!

[Webhead2006]

haha would be funny if finale had traits to that story lol.

[Brainiac 8]

Interesting...I wonder if that's the direction they are planning.

[Webhead2006]

well we will know come may 14th.

[heliorei]

Beeman being behind the director's chair again gets me really excited. He has done some wonderful stuff on the show.

Also - Darksied hint for season ten please. :p

I see and read all this talk about Darkseid: is it just a rumour or there's actually some evidence? Some claimed Geoff Johns (writer of Absolute justice) has confirmed on his twitter but i have seen nothing.

:huh:

[KBX]

Well Geoff Johns wrote the word "Apokolips" when Waller was talking about an "Apocalyspe that was coming this way." It could mean nothing, it is a rumor as of today, but still a possibility it could happen. We need a season 10 villain, I don't think Zod is sticking around. I doubt Rosenbaum or Pam Grier would come back for a full season. Darkseid is the only one they haven't used yet.

[SrsBsns]

I posted this on K-site and thought I'd see what you all thought...


My idea for the finale is more of a dream finale that will never happen but...

Zod is floating high above Metropolis...simply observing the chaos he has just unleashed.

We then see (nearly all in slow motion) Clark busting out the rooftop entrance door of the Daily Planet and running towards the edge as fast as he can, thinking of literally nothing but stopping Zod. Right as he steps on to the final edge of the Planet, he takes flight to the skies.

Cue credits.

[Webhead2006]

well i am sure the plan for checkmate is to be a threat going through season 10 too. we would only need to have pam grier on board for like 3-5 episodes scattered throughout the season. Then have other minions play a role in episodes she isnt in and all that. As for Michael R it would be great if we can get him back for a multi episode arc. But i still say we will probably only see him for series finale. As for darkseid with the right story and planning he could easily get mixed into the show.

[BizarroAids]

I've always loved it when Beeman does Finales or Premieres. He's always done the action sequences so well, he's a great storyteller. I hope this one is a good cliff hanger.

[Webhead2006]

totally and dam those cliffhangers making us wait 3-4 months to know what happens lol. So on a betting game do you guys think the finale will end and season 10 start up moments later, or some time between the end and start of the next season. We have had both over all the years.

[Prison Mike]

that's impossible to tell right now since we don't even know what Salvation is about.

[Webhead2006]

yea i guess so lol

[Zorex]

Guess who's going to return in the finale?!

http://www.kryptonsite.com/blackcanaryreturns.htm

(The URL says it all :p)

I always like to see past characters return.

OK, well, not always. I didn't need to see Linda Lake again. Ever.

[ironman29758]

Guess who's going to return in the finale?!

http://www.kryptonsite.com/blackcanaryreturns.htm

(The URL says it all :p)

I always like to see past characters return.

OK, well, not always. I didn't need to see Linda Lake again. Ever.
nice, I had a feeling we would see some JLA members in this episode maybe the a major couple will break up will be Chloe/Oliver lead to, a relationship between Black Canary/Ollie. since we got 3 appearances of Dinah with a hint of the relatonship at the end of siren which was kind of like the relatinship in the comics and a mention of "platonic" emails between Ollie and Dinah so it's nice to see more character development although I'm still kind of mad after what happened in Doomsday

I agree while some past characters are nice to see, some are not needed.

[KBX]

Nice! I thought she was pregnant?

Actually it would be nice to have one JL member and one society member(Hawkman)

[The Caped Knight]

I hope they mention that she's the daughter of the original Black Canary from the JSA . Also I wouldn't mind seeing her paired with Oliver .

[ironman29758]

she had baby around December 8th, 2009, I think.

as for Dinah/Ollie hooking up, one spoiler by auserilo said a major couple will break up and Chllolie will be in the season finalie I think so maybe they will break up

[Webhead2006]

yea i was just thinking if chloe and ollie break up and with allison leaving or if they do kill chloe off. Maybe they will finally get ollie/dinah relationship started up. And say if chloe is killed dinah helps ollie out, and a more intimate bond starts to form for them.

Also its cool she is returning. I didnt really expect to see black canery this season. Due to her giving birth a few months back and busy with SGU. I do hope dinah's mother will get a mention this time with what ever jsa members are also going to be back.

[herolee10]

Question: I just read that Alaina Huffman will be returning to Smallville (http://www.kryptonsite.com/) in the show’s May 14 season finale, “Salvation,” as Dinah Lance/The Black Canary. Will any other members of the Justice Society or Justice League appear? —Aled
Ausiello: Yes indeedly do. The finale will also feature comebacks by Hawkman, Cyborg, and Stargirl.

Question: Can you maybe try to narrow down who’s getting a visit from the Grim Reaper on Smallville (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/03/30/smallville-finale-death-spoiler/)? –Alex
Ausiello: It’s not Lex. Or Clark. Or *****a.

Question: LESS ASTERISKS! MORE LETTERS! BY TOMORROW! OR THE SMURF DIES! —Graham
Ausiello: A *a*o* *o***e *i** ***a* **.


http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/04/07/ask-ausiello-lost-glee-house/#more-7282

[KALEL114]

So the asterisks may really be: A major couple will break up.

[The Caped Knight]

Question: I just read that Alaina Huffman will be returning to Smallville (http://www.kryptonsite.com/) in the show’s May 14 season finale, “Salvation,” as Dinah Lance/The Black Canary. Will any other members of the Justice Society or Justice League appear? —Aled
Ausiello: Yes indeedly do. The finale will also feature comebacks by Hawkman, Cyborg, and Stargirl.



Excellent news Hawkman returns .

[SV Fan]

Excellent news Hawkman returns .

Sounds like way to much over crowding. I remember last season Bart and BC came back and basically stood there and did nothing.

[KBX]

Sounds like way to much over crowding. I remember last season Bart and BC came back and basically stood there and did nothing.

Thats what worries me as well. Cosmic Boy was the most useful since he had one scene and actually did something in it. Bart and Canary basically were body guards for Oliver.

It may be best for each member to have one scene and move on. Still thrilled that we do get to see Hawkman, Cyborg and Stargirl again.

[Webhead2006]

great news we are finally getting to see cyborg again. i been wanting to see him for a few yrs now. And more so since he was due to be in bride but wasnt able to. now i hope like i said over in the spoilers thread. With us now knowing that black canery and cyborg are back for the jl with clark/ollie/chloe, and with hawkman and stargirl returning. i hope all are used in good meaningful ways. Should be an interesting season finale to see where things turn.

[zerohour films]

Doubt it would happen (and it really isn't important), but it would be nice to give Cyborg an upgrade in look--especially since the new guys like to be more faithful to the comics.

Also looking forward to Hawkma's return as well! Exciting news all around

Although I would gladly give up Hawkman, Cyborg, and Canary in the Finale to get John Jones in full on Martian form for the episode. Even toss in a little bit of his shape-shifting/phasing as well!

Ok, now that I type it out----maybe they could give us Hawkman AND a full on Martian Manhunter...yeah that would be my wish short of Superman himself showing up.:cwink:

[flash13]

Cyborg is back! Finally!

[Zorex]

So the asterisks may really be: A major couple will break up.
I think you're right.

As for those who are out of the running to visit the morgue just yet, I think the asterisks are for Martha.

[Binker]

Who could die? I've narrowed it down to: Chloe or Tess. Chloe, because Allison Mack isn't coming back for season 10, and maybe since Black Canary is going to appear, and this is still DCU so they would probably have, or gear up for, the Green Arrow/Black Canary romance. And Tess, mainly because they could get rid of her in preparation for Lex' return (Michael Rosenbaum may not come back until, maybe the last episode. But that doesn't mean they could...recast him. Say plastic surgery, I mean the guy who played in "Requiem" was good).

Another one would be Zod, which would be anti-climatic, as well as confusing, because regardless of Zod's spirit in the Phantom Zone, isn't Zod suppose to be in the adult Superman's life?

[Webhead2006]

yea the logical ones to be killed/disapear is tess/chloe/zod. Now allison is the most likely to be killed or leave. Since we still dont know if she is coming back or not for season 10. Zod they could kill him off or find some one to trap him in the PZ if they are indeed planning to do darkseid as the big bad for season 10. Tess is a tossup i wouldnt mind to see her go, but she would still likely be needed to fill the lex spot since its not likely we would get michael rosenbaum back(i still hold hope for at least series finale appearance).

I too would love to see cyborg get an upgrade. That would be nice to see a more cyborg looking version this time around. So it would be neat to see that happen. So crossing fingers there. As for dinah i hope she and ollie might start some sort of spark of relationship going. Since its likely going to be ollie/chloe breaking up. So then if season ten is the end. They could try and get dinah to appear a few times so by end of show they get in place the ollie/dinah relationship and all that.

[KALEL114]

As for those who are out of the running to visit the morgue just yet, I think the asterisks are for Martha.

I agree. So lets look at the 5 left on his list:


Perry- I think it would be safe to say he is not going to die. He's too important to the basic cannon of the story. The again they could pull an Olsen on us.

Chloe- No contract yet for season 10, but that doen't really matter. Contracts get signed all the time at the last minute. I do think her characters story has ran it's course or off course to some. She could bite the big one or her death could be figurative if she takes up the mantle of Dr. Fate.

Tess- I think with Rosenbaum not coming back, she might not be the one to die. It really depends on who TPTB want to have as the antagonist next year. I'm not sure how much more story she has left though. Plus, she knows Clark's secret and that usually means death is a comin.

Lana- :doh:. If they wanted to kill her, they would have done it earlier. I don't see it happening.

Zod- I really believe he will be sent to the PZ and the General will take him over. So this could be a figurative death as well, if he is the one.



Just my thoughts right now. We still have 6 episodes left, so anything can change.

[Zorex]

Funny thing... I don't know why we're bothering with spoiler-hiding in a.... spoilers thread. :p

Yeah, so Clark, Lex, and Martha won't die. We can assume, I think, that Lois won't die... Being a major DC mythos player, I think Oliver is safe. Perry, unlikely to die. I think the best bets are, as everyone keeps saying, Tess, Zod, or Ms Choe Anne Sullivan. I know that contracts can get held off and not signed until late in the game, but the fact that Mack is not yet signed, coupled with confirmation of a character death, has me thinking Chloe might not be able to outrun her "Pandora" fate after all.

[KALEL114]

Funny thing... I don't know why we're bothering with spoiler-hiding in a.... spoilers thread. :p



LOL. Force of habit.:woot:

Also, Lois and Oliver are for sure safe, since they weren't part of his 8 person list. :up:

[Zorex]

Well, Lois was, but mostly jokingly. Clark was mentioned as not being in danger, and Lex wasn't even on the list, but he mentioned both in that little spoiler teaser that was posted above. Martha's the only one on that list who can now be crossed off, I guess.

[KALEL114]

Gotcha. :up:

[Man of Tomorrow]

Hawkman, Stargirl, Black Canary and Cyborg. Interesting combination of guest stars there.

I'm really hoping they do more than the empty cameos we got by Bart, Dinah and Rokk in "Doomsday"

I do like that the SV verse seems to have quite a huge lineup of established DC superheroes as potential guest stars:

Oliver's Unnamed Team

Green Arrow
The Blur
Impulse
Aquaman
Cyborg
Martian Manhunter
Black Canary
Zatanna

Legion

Cosmic Boy
Saturn Girl
Lightning Lad

JSA

Hawkman
Stargirl


I wonder who they should introduce next? Firestorm could be interesting.

[Webhead2006]

yea if also amanda waller is to be in the season finale there would be 11 characters, 12 if emil pops up. Now there is alot of characters for 41-44min episode to get through. i do hope they are all used in a good fashion. As for death, i still would perfer no one to actually die. I agree best thing for zod is to be sent to the pz and merge with the older zod phantom. So he could reek venage at a much later point down the road. Chloe i still would perfer to see her just leave then being killed off. It would just be a wasted death for me.

[Steyin]

I wouldn't cross off Martha, considering that could have been Amanda he was spelling out.

[KALEL114]

He said it was a major cast member though. I don't think Waller applies.

[Webhead2006]

yea and i doubt waller would be killed off. i am sure they are looking to have checkmate be an ongoing threat for next season, more so if they are going for darkseid as the big baddie.

[Anarky]

New to the boards, but been here for along time reading. I have read the second half of the script on how the season ends. If you don't want to know do not read.




All of the clone Kryptonians die and turn to dust due to a biological disease unleashed by Checkmate. Zod is the last clone left in the end due to him having powers, but is slowly dying. His last act is saving the JSA from Checkmate. The media witness him using his powers, and when he dies, they believed him to be The Blur. Clark decides to halt his relationship with Lois so he can focus on what is coming ahead, and he throws away the black Blur outfit. Ollie asks Clark if he is quiting the JSA, and he tells him that he is tired of fighting in the shadows and wants to fight in the light. The camera then focuses on Clarks red jacket. The final scene is Maxwell Lord in a Limo telling the driver where he was being taken to, and the driver tells him that the master is disappointed with him. Maxwell pleads with the driver to stop and that he is sorry, when the driver tells him....that is something that you need to take up with Darkside.

All I know is that the CW better be giving Smallville an even bigger budget to be able to pull this off.

[KBX]

Really.... where did you get the script?

[Dark_Lord]

If Zod is the only one left alive due to him having powers, then how come the episode description from Sacrifice mentions this "Clark realizes Zod has given his soldiers super powers."? Unless he hasn't given them powers, or that post by Anarky is fake

[Zing79]

If Zod is the only one left alive due to him having powers, then how come the episode description from Sacrifice mentions this "Clark realizes Zod has given his soldiers super powers."? Unless he hasn't given them powers, or that post by Anarky is fake

I would also point out that if they went that route they would have the major issue of everyone havng seen the blurs symbol which is one and the same as supermans.

[B]

All of the clone Kryptonians die and turn to dust due to a biological disease unleashed by Checkmate. Zod is the last clone left in the end due to him having powers, but is slowly dying. His last act is saving the JSA from Checkmate. The media witness him using his powers, and when he dies, they believed him to be The Blur. Clark decides to halt his relationship with Lois so he can focus on what is coming ahead, and he throws away the black Blur outfit. Ollie asks Clark if he is quiting the JSA, and he tells him that he is tired of fighting in the shadows and wants to fight in the light. The camera then focuses on Clarks red jacket. The final scene is Maxwell Lord in a Limo telling the driver where he was being taken to, and the driver tells him that the master is disappointed with him. Maxwell pleads with the driver to stop and that he is sorry, when the driver tells him....that is something that you need to take up with Darkside.

See, now IF this where true it would be totally fine (depending on the way it plays out) however..

It would only have been fine had they not had Clark burn the 'S' into everything in the first handful of episodes, because now when he does show up as Superman with the S on his chest etc, they will realise that he is 'The Blur' & the guy that died was just another superpowered guy... which means it will take away how special Superman & Clark is..

They'll either need to try & gloss over the fact he did that or come up with some other excuse for it..


Also..

I'll go ahead & say this 'could' be legit because after I saw tonights episode, I'm gonna bet right here & now that MM (& perhaps Zatanna) will have something to do with Clark's identity remaining intact in one way or another with their magic or mind wiping capabilities.

[Anarky]

Just asked my friend about a few things that I didn't get to read. Because I was wondering about the symbol myself. The answer was lame:

The public just assumes that Zod is the Blur because of witness desciptions of what the Blur looks like, and that he has the wealth to to do it. And the thing with the other Kryptonians is that their powers give out on them because Zod' blood isn't pure enough to work in them. They need Clarks blood to be able to keep their powers.

Now here is something crazy:

I asked where is Chloe during the Episode, and the answer was that at the beginning of the episode Chloe uses the Legion Ring to escape from being killed by Checkmate pawns. The episode before this one, Ollie and Clark talk with Chloe about it being to dangerous being watchtower, and they want her to step down. She refuses because she wants to be out there with the JLA fighting side by side, but since she can't, being Watchtower is the next best thing. When Ollie leaves, Clark gives her the ring as an escape route in-case of being threatened with death.

[MAN O STEEL]

can't you just link us the script buddy?. :csad:






Steve

[greenlantern248]

Yeah Anarky where are you getting this information from?

[Anarky]

That info I can't give out. I am not getting them in trouble over me posting the script info. Sorry. This was the first time that the person I know had a shooting script with them, and said knock yourself out when I asked to look at it. Wasn't a bounded script, was a loose one and the person I know only had half of the whole script. I will tell you that the person isn't part of the shooting production team(actors, director, film crew).

[Webhead2006]

welcome to the board anarky Some cool stuff there if true, i like some of it but not really the zod thing, Also i hope to god that lois and clark are not to break up that would be so stupid there. Why put the stop in their relationship....

[Prison Mike]

chloe disappearing with the legion ring does leave her story open ended. If Allison chooses to renew her contract then they can easily bring her back in season 10 otherwise, she can stay in the future and be big brother to the legion!

[ironman29758]

well if this is what is going to happen in Salvaltion it would be interesting.

Clark is going to be more in the light.

[Webhead2006]

i agree if chloe's gone via legion ring, that would be an ideal way to have allison gone. So then if she isnt going to be in season ten as a full time cast member. She could still come back at a later point and all that. I rather have her leave then be killed. So if its true she takes the ring. Then it is likely that the death is zod with maybe a chance of tess.

[ironman29758]

i agree if chloe's gone via legion ring, that would be an ideal way to have allison gone. So then if she isnt going to be in season ten as a full time cast member. She could still come back at a later point and all that. I rather have her leave then be killed. So if its true she takes the ring. Then it is likely that the death is zod with maybe a chance of tess.
I agree about that. Chloe gone so there could be a chance for Chloe to come back or not without her dying.

Anarky can you reveal what happens to the JLA( Cyborg, Black Canary, Green Arrow, Clark, etc) and JSA(Star Girl and Hawkman)


If you could include any JLA members in this who would you. Me, I would include all of them: Bart, Cyborg, Aquaman, Black Canary, Martian Manhunter, Ollie and Chloe realize that Clark is the hero that the world needs and the right leader for the team.

[Webhead2006]

yea if anarky stuff is true there is some interesting stuff to look for in the finale, though i dont like all the stuff he did say though zod dying and world thinking he is the blur, and the lois/clark deal. Cause i still figure its ollie/chloe would be the break up with her leaving and all. Breaking up lois and clark would just kill all the development going for them right now. Plus would probably put a damper on his whole daily planet stuff with her.

[SrsBsns]

Sounds....anticlimatic...

Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for these spoilers if they're true, but I guess we'll just have to see how it plays out.

[Prison Mike]

Is it possible that the script could be a fake? It wouldn't be the first time that a show passed around a fake script to dupe people and keep the real ending a secret.

[KALEL114]

Consider me very skeptical. I would have a little more faith if he/she wasn't a brand new poster. I guess it's one of those wait and see things.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Sounds fake.


If anything, Kara should have been the one who got the Legion ring to go to the future.

It was poor how they wrote her off the show.

[Anarky]

Just got back from dinner with said person and a few of our friends. Was told that the script is the final draft, and if there were any changes to it, it would be minor because they have to lock in location/FX/post by a certain date.

The JLA is minor again except for Hawkman and Ollie.The appearances are like the Doomsday episode, but this time Clark makes the decisions for the team and starts to become a leader which the JLA are ready to follow anywhere. Emil Hammilton is now Watchtower, and promises Clark and Ollie to try and create sometype of device which could locate Chloe. The whole break up of Lois and Clark is on both their parts. Clark knows he can't juggle being the Blur and be by Lois's side, and Lois wants to end it because she wants to put 100% into her career. That decision came about with Lois and Perry having a one on one from the previous ep. The virus that ends up killing the Kryptonians is a backwards engineered virus that Checkmate created using the virus that the Kryptonians created at the beginning of the season. So you could say that their end is really the fault of Zod. The whole thing with Zod being a hero in the end of it all is to pretty much show Clark that people can change, which is the opposite of the whole Davis Bloome is a killer no matter what from last years season final. Amanda Waller isn't in the ep because she was forced out of Checkmate by Maxwell Lord. I asked about what are the ideas for the final season. My friend told me that they are not calling it the final season, but they know it is. Nothing is set in stone as for what happens in the "final" season. Was told that DC has been sending the offices info and art for characters that the writers requested. Asked which characters, which my friend had to describe to me because said person doesn't know the comics that much. From what was described, I made out the characters of: Ray Palmer/The Atom, either the Spectre or Deadman...not sure about which one because of the description, and a couple of New Gods which is not including Darkside.

That's all the info I have guys. I personally think that the final will be pretty cool, but I am really waiting for the final season. Cheers

[The Caped Knight]

I'm sorry but this sound very anticlimactic, especially Lois & Clark who's reasons for splitting up are stupid considering we know they'll figure out how to balance their lives as a couple and their careers as reporters @ the daily planet.

[Webhead2006]

yea its some interesting stuff, but i guess we will just have to see if its all true come may 14th.

[KBX]

Im skeptical as well. Lord isn't announced yet, so if he is, ill take your story with a little bit more than a grain of salt.

UPDATED 4/10/10: Several Justice and Justice Society members will be returning - Alaina Huffman as Black Canary, Michael Shanks as Hawkman, Lee Thompson Young as Cyborg, and Britt Irvin as Stargirl.
- Clark will receive a gift from an unexpected source.


any guesses on what the gift is? New suit? Phant Zone crystal? Boom Tube?

[SrsBsns]

[QUOTE=Anarky;18242292]Just got back from dinner with said person and a few of our friends. Was told that the script is the final draft, and if there were any changes to it, it would be minor because they have to lock in location/FX/post by a certain date.



Uhhh, they already filmed it bro.

[Webhead2006]

yea filming finished last week. Plus tom and some sv crew guys are helping on tom's cheerleader pilot which is due to be shot this coming week.

As for the gift hmm logically costume would be ideal, but maybe its pz device, maybe a boom tube device(tie into darkseid/new gods) if darkseid is where they are going.

[SVfan]

Anarky, a few questions.

You didn't mention Tess and I was curious. What do you know of her role in the finale? Seems like she should play a key part in it considering she was the one who released the Kandorians to begin with.

Also, the producers recently said Clois would be evolving up until the last scene. I was expecting scenes of them getting closer together, possibly mimicking their future scenes in the Pandora episode. But evolving means breaking up?

And just to be sure I read that right, are you saying that the media captures the "Blur" (Zod in this case) on camera dying and assumes Zod was the Blur all along because he has is a CEO in Metropolis? So.. the Blur persona is being killed off all together and Clark will now seek a new name? Does Lois witness Zod dying and also assumes he was the Blur?

[SV Fan]

Also, the producers recently said Clois would be evolving up until the last scene. I was expecting scenes of them getting closer together, possibly mimicking their future scenes in the Pandora episode. But evolving means breaking up?

Great username :P

As for the question, one thing I learn when reading Producer interviews is they usually leave the answers as ambigous as possible(although when you first read it it seems rather positive) to lead people on, many times expect the worst

I personally don't think they will split them up, but nothing in that comment to me screams it's 100% sure they won't. If they do split up they probably will get them back together by episode 2 next season. lol

[Calypso]

Anarky thanks for posting infos about Salvation.

I'm not saying what you're saying is not true but there are things that aren't making any sense especially with the spoilers we know.

For example Justin/Oliver has a 16 episodes contract this season. He has been in 14 episodes so far and that only left 2 episodes for him. We know from the spoilers that he's in both Sacrifice and Salvation. How come Oliver/Clark and Chloe have a scene in Hostage about being too dangerous for her to be Watchtower if he's not in the episode?

Second of all one of the writers (Al Septien) said on twitter that Chloe would be interacting with lots of people in the final and hopefully we'll think it's cool. If she's using the Legion Ring at the beginning of the episode, how can she interact with lots of people?

We know that Clark learns in Sacrifice that all the Kandorians have their powers back so how come they die if they're not powerless?

[Prison Mike]

wow, looks like we're getting a lot of new people

[B]

There are a suspicious amount of new people quoting another new persons alleged 'inside info'...

I've just lost credibility in it now, I think its all the same person...

[Calypso]

wow, looks like we're getting a lot of new people

The more, the better...no?

[Webhead2006]

YEa something seems a bit fishy with all these new posters coming on. Just saying, and i dont mean to be a jerk if any of you new guys are just new we were all new at one points ourselfs.

yea i would hate to see lois and clark break up cause that will just bring in non needed drama between lois and clark next season. And they would just have to get them back into a relationship by the end of the season. I rather keep them a couple and have their relationship continue where it is. Then maybe to spice it up do what lois and clark did in season two with that da lady liking clark, and lois had that cop guy or something to put a fork in relationship for a little bit.

[Calypso]

I don't see Clois breaking up as a bad thing, it would just make then closer at the end. If they aren't breaking up when the season ends then the'll break up next season. All couple have troubles at some point and making them cheesy all the time wouldn't be realistic. Plus imagine what their reunion would be like. Better now than next season in my opinion. The all Clark/Lois/The Blur triangle is not good for them.

[KryptonSite]

I didn't realize this was a fanfiction thread...

Sorry, guys, I hope it's not breaking a board rule to point out that Anarky is BSing you.

Why would someone ask Clark if he's quitting the JSA if he and Ollie are and never were members of the JSA?

From anything I've heard "Chloe and the Legion ring" is not a factor at all.

I don't think Emil is even in the finale (I can try and get my own confirmation on that), and the ending definitely does not play out that way.

When I first read this mess which someone copied over to K-Site, I only skimmed and thought it said Perry and Maxwell Lord are part of the story. Clearly, they're not.

It's really disappointing and disheartening that anyone with a computer and a zest for attention can make up this stuff. And I'll flat out say if I'm wrong in calling him out, I'll gladly eat crow and come back and admit it, and accept any insults that come in May.

If it were a real synopsis I'd just get mysteriously quiet like I did when the Season 6 finale actually did leak... but here? I think it's best to shut this down before it gets too ridiculous.

[KALEL114]

Thanks Craig for the info. :up:

Like I said before, always beware of new posters claiming "spoiler" info like this. 99.99999999% of the time, it's just BS.

wow, looks like we're getting a lot of new people

True that. Perhaps they should have thier IP's checked by one of our Admin's.?

[Anarky]

Hey Craig, I know you have your sources, and that is cool. But I have sources also. And if you go back to post #95, the talk between Perry and Lois isn't in the finale, it is from a previous episode. I will say that I did type in "JSA" where I meant to say JLA...even if they don't have a name for their team yet. Also, I see there is a lot of new users signing up for the board, and if the admin wants to check the IP's that is "super" cool with me...because it isn't me. Now, the thing about spoilers is that you won't really know until the episode airs, but I would bet the ownership of "Kryptonsite" that I am right. Cheers.

[ironman29758]

I didn't realize this was a fanfiction thread...

Sorry, guys, I hope it's not breaking a board rule to point out that Anarky is BSing you.

Why would someone ask Clark if he's quitting the JSA if he and Ollie are and never were members of the JSA?

From anything I've heard "Chloe and the Legion ring" is not a factor at all.

I don't think Emil is even in the finale (I can try and get my own confirmation on that), and the ending definitely does not play out that way.

When I first read this mess which someone copied over to K-Site, I only skimmed and thought it said Perry and Maxwell Lord are part of the story. Clearly, they're not.

It's really disappointing and disheartening that anyone with a computer and a zest for attention can make up this stuff. And I'll flat out say if I'm wrong in calling him out, I'll gladly eat crow and come back and admit it, and accept any insults that come in May.

If it were a real synopsis I'd just get mysteriously quiet like I did when the Season 6 finale actually did leak... but here? I think it's best to shut this down before it gets too ridiculous.
nice to see you around here first of all Craig.

Also we should be able to see what the episode is really about by May so we would know if Anarky was telling the truth but untill then let's just be cautious .

[KryptonSite]

Hey Craig, I know you have your sources, and that is cool. But I have sources also. And if you go back to post #95, the talk between Perry and Lois isn't in the finale, it is from a previous episode. I will say that I did type in "JSA" where I meant to say JLA...even if they don't have a name for their team yet. Also, I see there is a lot of new users signing up for the board, and if the admin wants to check the IP's that is "super" cool with me...because it isn't me. Now, the thing about spoilers is that you won't really know until the episode airs, but I would bet the ownership of "Kryptonsite" that I am right. Cheers.

I don't make bets against liars.

It really disappoints me that anyone would be stupid enough to believe your fanfiction. This is right up there with the idiot back in Season 5 or so who claimed Superman Returns/Smallville connections - we see how that one worked out.

Here's a question for ya... what happens between Tess and Zod? Since you can't answer that question, clearly you didn't actually read the script. :)

[Prison Mike]

with this back and forth between Craig and Anarky, this just made the finale more interesting! :yay:

[avidreader]

with this back and forth between Craig and Anarky, this just made the finale more interesting! :yay:

First laugh I had all page. :lmao:

On a speculation note however, I wouldnt mind Lois & Clark taking a break 'cause I'm not really enjoying them as a couple at the moment, and I really, really want to and I know I can enjoy them, because I got glimpses of it last season and early this season.

So if they need to take a break to get back on the right track, them I'm all for it.

[Dizagaox]

I'm going to throw my two-cents in here: I don't think any of us should trust Craig or Anarky.

No to Craig because he really is a pawn of The CW, and no to Anarky because he's an unproven source, though if his source is PattyLaurie, then he's right. We'll know soon enough. Either way, Al Septien has advised we just avoid both.

[KBX]

Look at it this way. On one hand you have a guy who runs Kryptonsite.com, regularly posts spoilers and info about Smallville. A person who has proven himself over and over. On another hand, you have a guy with 1 post claiming he has inside infomation. Who do you think will get the benefit of the doubt?

First laugh I had all page. :lmao:

On a speculation note however, I wouldnt mind Lois & Clark taking a break 'cause I'm not really enjoying them as a couple at the moment, and I really, really want to and I know I can enjoy them, because I got glimpses of it last season and early this season.

So if they need to take a break to get back on the right track, them I'm all for it.

If the producers want Smallville to end the way most of the mythos are, than Lois and Clark will break up. Once Clark becomes Superman, there is a good chance he isn't with Lois.

[ariellem]

too soon for it to end for yet another long stretch :-<

[Mikelus]

Wow, "the spoiler fight of the century" between Anarky and Craig! :hehe:

Well Anarky, like Craig said, what happens between Zod and Tess?


*getting some popcorn ready* :woot: ;)

[Prison Mike]

Of course Craig is the most reliable source for all things Smallville so I would trust him over Anarky any day of the week (no offence to Anarky).

[Webhead2006]

hey craig, nice to hear from you here. As for anarky posts yea would be cool if most of it is true. But we will just have to wait and see whats what in the coming weeks.

[KBX]

Friday, May14
SEASON FINALE SMALLVILLE — “Salvation” (8:00-9:00 p.m.)
When Zod (Callum Blue) and the Kandorians launch their brutal attack on Earth, Chloe (Alison Mack) calls in some old friends to join the fight against the aliens. Clark (Tom Welling) and Zod face (http://forums.superherohype.com/#) off in an epic battle for the control of Earth.


sounds good

[Prison Mike]

yup, sounds good to me

[Dark_Lord]

yup, sounds good to me

Indeed. Let's just hope it actually is good. I can't wait...

[Zorex]

I really, really, really hope that the episode lives up to the description, because... that sounds great. :up:

[KBX]

I am impressed that description is so vagued that we might not get actually spoiled as in previous years.

[RagingTempest]

[SEASON FINALE SMALLVILLE — “Salvation” (8:00-9:00 p.m.)
When Zod (Callum Blue) and the Kandorians launch their brutal attack on Earth, Chloe (Alison Mack) calls in some old friends to join the fight against the aliens. Clark (Tom Welling) and Zod face (http://forums.superherohype.com/#) off in an epic battle for the control of Earth.

:doh:

[Webhead2006]

nice episode description. Sounds like it could be a good episode. But yea i hope they live up to a decent enough fight between zod/clark. At least someone in line of the clark/titan fight a few yrs back. Then the lack of fight with doomsday. I hope they have learned from that bloody mistake.

[The Caped Knight]

Friday, May14
SEASON FINALE SMALLVILLE — “Salvation” (8:00-9:00 p.m.)

When Zod (Callum Blue) and the Kandorians launch their brutal attack on Earth, Chloe (Alison Mack) calls in some old friends to join the fight against the aliens. Clark (Tom Welling) and Zod face (http://forums.superherohype.com/#) off in an epic battle for the control of Earth.

What a load of bull, I'm sure this battle is going to be a joke :whatever:

[Webhead2006]

very likely with the show's track record, but hopefully they will at least get some punchs/kicks and super powers used.

[epc11223]

anyone else hoping that this season doesn't end on a cliffhanger? every year they do that. i'm really wishing that this season ends on more of a high note with clark kind of moving away from the "dark" and brooding clark/batman and getting some more color to his uniform. then the beginning of the season its the most superman we've seen of him and then finally the end of that season we get the john williams theme with him flying out of the fortress like the show runners originally set out. but i'm really hoping clark isn't trapped somewhere like the phantom zone or the fortress or "new krypton" or something. or maybe it'll end with clark making up an excuse to wear glasses and then having a shirt rip with the symbol red and yellow but still with the trench coat.

[Webhead2006]

Also there is always some sort of cliffhangers in seasons. They will never not leave an finale without some sort of cliffhanger situation for most characters.

From ksite:
Manhunter: Salvation! Phil Morris Returns In The May 14 Smallville Season Finale!

A few weeks ago, KryptonSite reported that Alaina Huffman will be returning to Smallville in the show's May 14 season finale, "Salvation," as Dinah Lance/The Black Canary.

The next week, EW's Michael Ausiello revealed that Hawkman (Michael Shanks), Cyborg (Lee Thompson Young), and Stargirl (Britt Irvin) would also be making appearances in the season finale.

Now, KryptonSite can reveal that we have learned that Phil Morris will be making a cameo appearance in the finale as well, playing the role of John Jones, the Martian Manhunter. We saw him recently in "Checkmate" and now it's time to see him again. Hopefully we'll see him interacting with fellow Leaguers who his character hasn't met before!

[KBX]

Honestly, I am glad when Phil Morris gets to show up in any episode, but aren't we pushing it a little to far for this one?

6 main characters, plus Manhunter, Canary, Hawkman, Stargirl, Cyborg and the Kandorians Basquet and Faora. That would be 13. Has any other episode rivaled this one as far as guest appearances go?

But I guess thats why they have been saying "cameo" appereances...

[KryptonSite]

Just posted the full official CW description of the episode at KryptonSite: http://kryptonsite.com/salvationdescription.htm

And as you will see, Anarky WAS pulling your chain. Something even happens between Tess and Zod, as I mentioned when responding to him :)

[KBX]

Just posted the full official CW description of the episode at KryptonSite: http://kryptonsite.com/salvationdescription.htm

And as you will see, Anarky WAS pulling your chain. Something even happens between Tess and Zod, as I mentioned when responding to him :)

Craig 1
Anarky 0

Time for Clark to get a new nickname. Wonder where Oliver goes and Tess seems like a goner...

[Zorex]

Nice. Sounds like a lot going on... hopefully not too much. I'm really, really, really excited at the prospect of Clark getting more colour back into his wardrobe.

I'm also a bit surprised that it sounds like the Book of Rao won't really come into play until next season. I rather expected it to come to use by the end of this season. I wonder what it's true purpose is/will be...

[Man of Tomorrow]

I'm also a bit surprised that it sounds like the Book of Rao won't really come into play until next season. I rather expected it to come to use by the end of this season. I wonder what it's true purpose is/will be...

The anti-life equation.

[Webhead2006]

sure its alot of characters going to appear in the episodes, but for john and a few others its been stated they will be more cameo like role then a full on role. But hopefully it will all work out well.

[KryptonSite]

The Book of Rao actually does play a decent sized role in the finale.

[Webhead2006]

cant wait to see what in it myself craig.

[Prison Mike]

Just read the season finale description on Kryptonsite. Glad to see Anarky was full of bull. For one thing, it seems that Oliver is the one who disappears, not Chloe. I really want Clark and Zod to have a great battle scene but I know the odds of that are slim. Still, a punch or two thrown by each of them will suffice.

[KBX]

The anti-life equation.

Zod did mention that the book of Rao has the knowledge of all the universe, but I don't know if that will turn out to be the anti-life equation. I believe in the comics the book of Rao foretold a new Krypton, inhabited by Kryptonians. Which is interested because in the comics series "Salvation Run" Checkmate sent villians to this distant planet(called Salvation/The Hell Planet) to live on thier own. Problem was it was inhabited by Darkseids minions. Not saying this will turn out this way just gives an explanation to get rid of the Kandorians and introduces Darkseid if Smallville chooses to go that way. Just food for thought.

Just read the season finale description on Kryptonsite. Glad to see Anarky was full of bull. For one thing, it seems that Oliver is the one who disappears, not Chloe. I really want Clark and Zod to have a great battle scene but I know the odds of that are slim. Still, a punch or two thrown by each of them will suffice.

You see the reason why Smallville doesn't have good fights with Clark, since with him being Superman and all, one punch with him and your done. He usually pushes or shoves or throws you to the grown. With Titan he actually could take a punch from Clark, thats why its been recognized as one of Smallvilles best fights. So far with Zod I dont think it will be any different. More pushing and shoving and Im sure kryptonite will play into the altercation.

[Webhead2006]

kbx that would be an interesting thing for them to do for the kryptonians and lead into darkseid or something. If darkseid is what they are doing it should be interesting to see how it goes. Prison mike, yea i too hope we at least get a few punchs/kicks, and maybe freeze/heat vision used between clark and zod in their fight. i would be pissed if it ends up going like last season with doomsday.

[KBX]

Just a theory Webby, and interesting one I think.

In all honestly is there any other villains Smallville can do for next year other than Darkseid? Lex is not coming back, Zod I hope isn't coming back his story seems to be wrapping up. Checkmate is more of a side story, though I do hope Waller/Lord comes back for an episode or two...

[Man of Tomorrow]

I'd rather they not do Darkseid and the New Gods, even though they might given John's tweet.

The budget just isn't there to physically represent them properly, and having Darkseid, Kalibak and the others roaming around in human form all season would be silly.

The major villians recently have always kept a Kryptonian theme; Brainiac, Zod, Bizarro, Doomsday, Kandorians. I was hoping that would be maintained with the final season, perhaps with Eradicator.. instead of bringing in the New Gods out of left field.

[zerohour films]

I would have liked to have the Eradicator at one point, but given the storyline we got with Brainiac wouldn't it feel a little like a repeat if they did?

On another note, where has Professor Hamilton been? Any mention of him turning up for the finale?

If I'm not mistaken he has been MIA since the Valentine's episode where he got all laid back and mellow.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I would have liked it if the AI Jor-El turned out to be Eradicator. There's so much about AI's actions and motivations that have seemed shady; more in the greater interest of Kryptonian legacy than humanity. What if he was secretly trying to train Kal-El to be some kind of Kryptonian ruler and conqueror on Earth?

AI's attitude seems the complete opposite of physical Jor-El who was caring and compassionate about humanity.

[zerohour films]

^Right there with you...honestly I always thought this was the direction that they were going in with A.I. Jor-EL...at least until it became painfully obvious that they were not. It was a missed opportunity to make sense of it all IMO.

I never did like how they wrapped up that "evil" Jor-El storyline....oh well.

[Man of Tomorrow]

They didn't wrap it up. They just ignored it, tried to pretend it didn't happen.. even though he was a jackass for 7 seasons.

[zerohour films]

^I should say that Al/Miles THINK they wrapped it up I guess.

I had sent a question into them years ago (a TV guide interview I think) which was chosen and they answered. It was about addressing the evil Jor-EL thing. Their response was that they had addressed it alread within the show.

Granted there were a few throw away lines re: "maybe Jor-EL isn't evil after all" kinda thing, but it was hardly addressed IMO (and I see yours as well). That's what I meant by not liking how they wrapped it up.

[Johnny]

What a load of bull, I'm sure this battle is going to be a joke :whatever:

Yeah well, I'm not gonna expect a cosmic collision so I don't think it's gonna be that bad. "Epic battles" - that's just the way CW promotes the show. They probably still don't know that us the hardcore fans aren't stupid and we know that there can't be huge earth-shattering Superman vs Doomsday type battles on a tv show. But we'll see what happens. If anything, Smallville delivered tons of more epic moments than a certain Superman movie which actually had the budget to show us something epic. I'd always appreciate the one minute fight between Clark and Doomsday compared to that lame kryptonite island. At least in Smallville Clark has adversaries.

[Webhead2006]

yea it does seem to be an interesting angle they could go with kbx. As for checkmate yea they seem best suited as secondary villains. And i too hope we will get waller/lord bearing both survive through the season finale to pop up a few times next season too. Also if darkseid is coming, it would be great if they have bruno return and kick up intergang to be associated with darkseid. So then they could have intergang be a storyline arc lois/clark could be after for the planet. While also it ties into darkseid's minions on earth and darkseid himself coming if darkseid/his crew is the plan for next season.

As for darkseid/kalibak i dont think it would be to hard. kalibak they could just redesign him a bit to be a big brute of a guy. As for darkseid. they could easily go doomsday monster suit approach. And we only phsyically see him in a few episodes like 3-4 tops spread throughout the season. Then to be easier on the looks department they could go with dasaad and granny goodness. As for being around all season, they could easily have granny/dasaad around all season. But i could see all of darkeid/his crew poping up between say 7-13 episodes of the season. Then the rest of the season some earth base stuff.

Then maybe do an episode with the female furies which would be cool. As for the new gods, i agree seeing their world or majority of their people would be tough for smallville's budget. But if they only get mentioned and say only orion shows up i definately think it could work.

[Mikelus]

If they do bring Darkseid, I don't think the suit approach would be the best one, it didn't work out that well with Doomsday at the end, that's one of the reasons the "fight" with Clark was so lame, the guy wearing the suit didn't have enough mobility and they only showed it with very little lighting because in reality it looked campy.

SV should go with Boss Dark Side, it fits better with the show's style:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2179/bossdarkside.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/bossdarkside.jpg/)


... the Dark Side Club serves as the stronghold for Darkseid (known as "Boss Dark Side") and the Apokoplitans Dark Gods stranded on Earth and a recruiting central for new loyal servants. Similar in concept to the former Roulette fight club, the Dark Side Club provides his wealthy patrons with an underground fighting ring, where brainwashed metahumans are forced to fight in often deadly battles. In a human recreation of Granny Goodness' orphanage, the captured metahumans, usually the youngest or the most obscure, are fed drugs concocted by Bernadeth and routinely abused and controlled by Granny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_Club

[Webhead2006]

i personally would hate if they turned him human or they got the possesion human form deal. cause we have seen it so many times. But if darkseid is who they go with i hope they work it out well.

[KBX]

I'd rather they not do Darkseid and the New Gods, even though they might given John's tweet.

The budget just isn't there to physically represent them properly, and having Darkseid, Kalibak and the others roaming around in human form all season would be silly.

The major villians recently have always kept a Kryptonian theme; Brainiac, Zod, Bizarro, Doomsday, Kandorians. I was hoping that would be maintained with the final season, perhaps with Eradicator.. instead of bringing in the New Gods out of left field.

If they were given the oppurtunity to use Darkseid, I don't think they would pass it up. You don't have to do too many of the New Gods or any if at all, just show him here and there, in a chair talking about invading Earth, from a distant planet, etc. etc.

Look at it this way. Smallville doesn't have the budget to do Doomsday properly, but that wasn't the problem. I personally thought Doomsday looked fine, its just what they decided to do with the character. Davis/Doomsday interacted with Chloe far more than Clark, Oliver or anyone else. Thats why it was a let done. Your villain whomever you choose must interact with everyone, mainly Clark. Darkseid will definitely do that.

Now I don't know much about The Eradictor, other than him being some bad replacement for Jor-El, but what can they exactly do with him?

Yes most of Smallville villains have been dealt with a Kryptonian past. Sometimes I do think Clark goes after those villians since he feels some time of responsibility to do so since they are from his home planet. He feels its his fault. Letting the phantom zoners lose, arrival of Doomsday and Bizarro. But now you do see some of his human villains come forth this past year. All the members of Checkmate to deal with, Toyman, Metallo, Roulette, Silver Banshee. Checkmate will probably be used in season 10 as well.

[Man of Tomorrow]

If they do bring Darkseid, I don't think the suit approach would be the best one, it didn't work out that well with Doomsday at the end, that's one of the reasons the "fight" with Clark was so lame, the guy wearing the suit didn't have enough mobility and they only showed it with very little lighting because in reality it looked campy.

SV should go with Boss Dark Side, it fits better with the show's style:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2179/bossdarkside.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/bossdarkside.jpg/)


Problem is they've done this human form/possession thing so many times, it's been played out to death.

Darkseid and his minions in human form just doesn't seem true to the character. It was a nice brief 'aside' in the comics for the Seven Soldiers Arc.. but a human Darkseid and co. for the season is just weak.


But you are 100% correct that designing costumes for Darkseid and the New Gods would be fail too. Doomsday didn't look very believable due to the low budget in designing the suit, that was one of the major reasons why it was nearly impossible to show him without making it obvious that it was a suit (hence the low lighting and short fight sequence). Sam Witwer even commented on this.


The other issue with Darkseid is he isn't a full-on deformed creature like Doomsday, he's an actual alien with humanoid facial features that talks.

I know they wouldn't pass up the opportunity to plug the New Gods into Smallville, but personally I'd rather they not go there. There's no way they can do them justice.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Look at it this way. Smallville doesn't have the budget to do Doomsday properly, but that wasn't the problem. I personally thought Doomsday looked fine, its just what they decided to do with the character. Davis/Doomsday interacted with Chloe far more than Clark, Oliver or anyone else. Thats why it was a let done. Your villain whomever you choose must interact with everyone, mainly Clark. Darkseid will definitely do that.

It was more than just the Chloe nonsense. The entire character of Davis Bloome proved useless and irrelevant to Doomsday.

We only pretty much got the actual Doomsday for a brief second. Davis' entire plight was something entirely different and it didn't even lead to anything meaningful in regards to Doomsday.

Him being split from Doomsday was the last nail in the coffin. All the buildup between Clark VS him turned out to be pointless when Clark didn't even fight Davis, just the unnamed monster we barely saw all season. That's another reason why the fight seemed flat and had no momentum.

[Man of Tomorrow]

And one final thing, on an side note, if they DO bring in Darkseid (not that I like the idea), I have an eerie feeling they'll cast Stargate SG1's Christopher Judge (assuming he's available) as Darkseid, or Dark Side.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/stargate-sg1/images/christopher-judge-2.jpg http://www.buddytv.com/articles/stargate-sg1/images/christopher-judge-5.jpg

I just hope we don't get a 'young Darkseid' since PS said they prefer showing the origins of all the characters they bring in.

[Brainiac 8]

Boss Darkseid would work actually, if they wanted to go that route, and then only show his true form in the finale.

Christopher Judge would be an awesome actor for the job. :D

[Zorex]

I'd absolutely be down with that casting, if they went that route with the character. :up:

[KBX]

It was more than just the Chloe nonsense. The entire character of Davis Bloome proved useless and irrelevant to Doomsday.

We only pretty much got the actual Doomsday for a brief second. Davis' entire plight was something entirely different and it didn't even lead to anything meaningful in regards to Doomsday.

Him being split from Doomsday was the last nail in the coffin. All the buildup between Clark VS him turned out to be pointless when Clark didn't even fight Davis, just the unnamed monster we barely saw all season. That's another reason why the fight seemed flat and had no momentum.

Doomsday is just a monster. No personality, no human side, no nothing. You hit it, he hits back. And I agree with you, there is so much you can really do with the character, Smallville producers knew that, thus creating Davis Bloome. Darkseid won't be the problem, because the character itself has a lot of backstory, way too much that Smallville may not do justice for it.

Im more on the lines of trying to figure out who is Smallville season 10 villain is. Not who I want, but where is the story leading too and who can they use. Lots of fingers point to Darkseid. The Red Queen is a possibility. TPTB has a choice to make. Would they rather a villain who has so much backstory in Darkseid and use about 70% of it, or a villain with little but they can expand and do what they want with it, like Doomsday by creating Davis Bloome or The Eradictor(don't know much about him.)EDIT: saw you mention this as well


I thought Zod as a season long villain would be boring. Im still undecided but he's growing on me. Kandorians, him as The Blur, taking over earth, final showdown with him and Checkmate all scenarios Im looking forward too.

One note I've picked up. Numerous times I've heard the mention of pending World War 3. In the DC comics "World War 3" was based on the Justice League members getting word of an impending invasion of Earth from an Alien race.

[KBX]

Christopher Judge as Darkseid I am all for. Not the biggest fan of Darkseid in a human form. If they are going to use him, try to use him to the best of their abilities. Not another vessel.

[Prison Mike]

I have a bad feeling that the producers will cast some mid-to-late 20s pretty boy actor to play Darkseid...

[Man of Tomorrow]

In response, if Darkseid does get a human form, I'm skeptical it would be "Boss Dark Side" from the Seven Soldiers arc.

Wouldn't they have to pay the writers of that comic royalties if they ripped that storyline directly in such a fashion?

Seems more likely they'd invent their own human identities for Darkseid and his minions, like they did for Bloomesday, for better or worse.

I have a bad feeling that the producers will cast some mid-to-late 20s pretty boy actor to play Darkseid...

They only really did that with Davis, but I hope they've learned. I'd be very disappointed if Darkseid ended up as a love interest to Chloe or Tess :/ or worse falls for Lois.

[ironman29758]

Salvation spoiler from TV Guide:

Clark is literally going to see his destiny. The finale will be the culmination of everything that has happened with Zod and the Kandorians since they came to Earth.

Return cameos by members of the Justice League and Justice Society, one confirmed casualty and four very big cliff hangers. This will also include a moment of reckoning by the future Man of Steel.

Clark has a heroic decision to make which will take us into the next season says Peterson. He hints that a clue to Season 10 will be buried somewhere in the finale, and that you have to look very closely to see it. The comic book fans should be able to spot it.

there's a Clois picture and the caption says "I would not oversell it to say there is a massive Clark-Lois moment" says Peterson

[Zorex]

Aw, snap... I want more info! "Literally going to see his destiny"? Interested to know what, exactly, that means. Cliff hangers, of course... One death. Tess, anyone? Sad, I'd hate to see Cassidy go.

Was this from TV Guide.com or the latest issue?

[Spider-Gamer]

Salvation spoiler from TV Guide:

Clark is literally going to see his destiny. The finale will be the culmination of everything that has happened with Zod and the Kandorians since they came to Earth.

Return cameos by members of the Justice League and Justice Society, one confirmed casualty and four very big cliff hangers. This will also include a moment of reckoning by the future Man of Steel.

Clark has a heroic decision to make which will take us into the next season says Peterson. He hints that a clue to Season 10 will be buried somewhere in the finale, and that you have to look very closely to see it. The comic book fans should be able to spot it.

there's a Clois picture and the caption says "I would not oversell it to say there is a massive Clark-Lois moment" says Peterson

Well I guess that maybe semi-confirms
Darkseid and/or other Apokolips/New God related characters. Here is a snipit from an interview Peterson gave earlier this month to IGN...

IGN: Lastly, as a big comic book fan, I think, like many, I was tantalized in "Absolute Justice" when the mention of Apokolips came up, and even just the idea of Darkseid in some form appearing on the show seemed to be teased. Anything you can say about that and if we'll see at some follow-up to Amanda Waller's little mention there?

Peterson: Umm, we have several ideas for next year. I would say if you look closely in the finale, you will see one little follow-up toward that, but I think only the hardcore fans will recognize it.

[B]

And one final thing, on an side note, if they DO bring in Darkseid (not that I like the idea), I have an eerie feeling they'll cast Stargate SG1's Christopher Judge (assuming he's available) as Darkseid, or Dark Side.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/stargate-sg1/images/christopher-judge-2.jpg http://www.buddytv.com/articles/stargate-sg1/images/christopher-judge-5.jpg

I just hope we don't get a 'young Darkseid' since PS said they prefer showing the origins of all the characters they bring in.

I'd fully support this casting :up:

But I'd rather not see Darkseid in human form, simply because it would ring too close to Doomsday's story which I rather liked aside from the non-fight finish..

IF he was to be in human form it should be something that is 1 episode temporary, I want to see a live action Darkseid in all his glory :up:

[Webhead2006]

yea i doubt they would do eradicator at this point. the producers were asked the character before and they were like we dont know it and all that. It would have worked alot better prior to zod/brainiac in my mind. So darkseid is a good way to go and as for look if they went with suit that would be cool if they went with some big guy like chris judge and just have costume on him that could work too. i just would hope they go full on alien version and not human possesion one. Then as for minions yea dasaad, kalibak and granny goodness wouldnt be hard to pull off at all. Then as for new gods only one we really need to see is orion and he is pretty easy to do. Then they could mention the high father and all that.

[KBX]

Well I guess that maybe semi-confirms
Darkseid and/or other Apokolips/New God related characters. Here is a snipit from an interview Peterson gave earlier this month to IGN...

IGN: Lastly, as a big comic book fan, I think, like many, I was tantalized in "Absolute Justice" when the mention of Apokolips came up, and even just the idea of Darkseid in some form appearing on the show seemed to be teased. Anything you can say about that and if we'll see at some follow-up to Amanda Waller's little mention there?

Peterson: Umm, we have several ideas for next year. I would say if you look closely in the finale, you will see one little follow-up toward that, but I think only the hardcore fans will recognize it.

Interesting. Nothing is 100% concrete but its sure leaning that way. Wonder what the hint will be.

[KBX]

Salvation spoiler from TV Guide:

Clark is literally going to see his destiny. The finale will be the culmination of everything that has happened with Zod and the Kandorians since they came to Earth.

Return cameos by members of the Justice League and Justice Society, one confirmed casualty and four very big cliff hangers. This will also include a moment of reckoning by the future Man of Steel.

Clark has a heroic decision to make which will take us into the next season says Peterson. He hints that a clue to Season 10 will be buried somewhere in the finale, and that you have to look very closely to see it. The comic book fans should be able to spot it.

there's a Clois picture and the caption says "I would not oversell it to say there is a massive Clark-Lois moment" says Peterson

casualty = Tess

cliffhangers
1. Clark/Lois probably having a conversation about the blur
2. Chloe/Oliver, wondering where Oliver disappeared to whether its the Phantom Zone or someplace else
3. Zod/Tess, Tess realizing that Zod is no good, no sooner stabs her with a Kryptonite dagger
4. Clark/Zod, the big showdown with Kandorians and JLA/JSA team members mixed in

Season 10 hint = Oliver disappearing to Apokolips

[Webhead2006]

yea going back to chris judge if they went with him as darkseid lets say. if he just wore some costume/armor suit like those gould armor suits from SG1 and have his head partially covered and we see glowin eyes from time to time. that could be a nice and easy way to do darkseid look. So then only part of body visual is head/face. Which i think they could probably come out with a decent looking costume in line of say persuader or hawkman.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Persuader looked good I admit.

Hawkman looked like absolute crap, like some plastic cosplay suit. It was impossible to take him seriously, the voice didn't help either.

I'm skeptical on Tess dying. They need someone to be the Luthorcorp fill-in for Lex on the cast.

Sadly, it will probably be Zod dying. It's unfortunate.

[Milos]

Any scoops on ‘Smallville’s Chlollie? – ChlollieGAWT via Twitter
From my Q&A with exec producer Brian Peterson, here are nine extra words on the future of the Chloe/Oliver romance: “‘No strings attached’ always gets complicated, so there will be some interesting revelations about that relationship coming out of the finale, going into next season.”

[elgaz]

As much as I want to see decent actors appear on the show, Darkseid is huge - even compared to Superman - and realistically they'll need someone oversized like a wrestler to play him. 7ft+ would not be an exaggeration. On the plus side, he never appeared to move much in the comics, always standing with his hands behind his back and mostly glaring at Superman while issuing threats. Or shooting Omega beams from his eyes.

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/superman-darkseid-statue.jpg

[Webhead2006]

Sure darkseid in the comics is a huge guy like 7ft+ but if they are going to go with him for the show i could see them pair him down just a tad. So tom is around 6'3ft if they found someone around his height which i just checked on imdb judge is 6'3 maybe with an inch or two in boots he could be taller. Or if they did go with a wrestler then you would want someone the size of matt morgan(tna wrestler) or great khali or undertaker(wwe) who are both between 6'10-7'1. But i rather go with someone with a bit better acting creds then wreslter so going with a slightly shorter darkseid wouldnt be that bad.

[Brainiac 8]

As much as I want to see decent actors appear on the show, Darkseid is huge - even compared to Superman - and realistically they'll need someone oversized like a wrestler to play him. 7ft+ would not be an exaggeration. On the plus side, he never appeared to move much in the comics, always standing with his hands behind his back and mostly glaring at Superman while issuing threats. Or shooting Omega beams from his eyes.

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/superman-darkseid-statue.jpg


He should be played by Michael Duncan Clark. :D

[Webhead2006]

he would be cool, but that is probably someone we would likely never see appear on smallville due to probably being a bit pricey.

[elgaz]

MDC isn't actually as unbelievably tall as people think. He's about 6"4 or 6"4.5 - definitely a big guy, but not the 7ft+ that some people seem to think. I think it's because he's so broad and big overall that it adds to the effect, plus they must have used platforms in his shoes in some movies to exaggerate it.

http://www.hollywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/2551301260.jpg

But yeah, he would be great as Darkseid. Wonder could Smallville afford him for 10 mins :P

[greenlantern248]

To make someone taller or shorter is actually really easy to do.

This is how I could see Darkseid working on Smallville (in non human form), now its similar to Doomsday but we don't actually see Darkseid until the series finale, through out the season we see his red eyes or hear his voice, maybe see his face once or twice.
Through out the season Darkseid could send his minions down to earth to fight Clark, like the Female Furies, Steppenwolf, Granny, Kanto who is Darkseid's best assassin, and of course Kalibak. Plus everyone that I mentioned looks human in the comics, Kalibak they would just have to work a little with the hair.

Plus can you imagine if they do decide on Darkseid, that means we might get two more DC characters next year, Barda and Mister Miracle

[SrsBsns]

First(?) picture of the finale is up...

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/04/29/smallville-season-finale-showdown/

[SrsBsns]

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9391/smallvillesalvation510.jpg

[Brainiac 8]

Nice, if Zodclone dies I will actually be kinda sad.

He's been like the flipside of the coin for Clark. Both want to do nothing but good things for those they care for, but Zod is going about it in completely the wrong ways.

Plus Blue plays a fantastic Zod, I'll miss him.

[Prison Mike]

Zod looks kind of excited that he's getting man handled by Clark

[greenlantern248]

that is an awesome pic

[Zorex]

Ohh, rain fight! Sessy... Atmosphere is a great thing. Hopefully it won't come off feeling TOO Matrix-y. Doesn't appear that Clark ditches the black coat at this point in the episode.

So, the dagger looks blue in that picture... wasn't it green just a few eps ago? Maybe Zod makes the blue one himself... If it is Blue K, that'd mean that both Clark and Zod would be fighting powerless, wouldn't it? The budget would certainly breathe a sigh of relief if that were the case...

[Man of Tomorrow]

Makes sense.

So that's how they're going to pull off the 'epic' Zod/Clark fight, take away their powers.. like the fight in "Savior"

Whatever works. Though really, Zod could easily take down Clark with powers; Zod has flight.. big advantage. I wonder why he's evening the playing field.

Interesting that Zod is wearing red.

[The Caped Knight]

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9391/smallvillesalvation510.jpg

Is that a Blue-K dagger Zod's using against Clark ?

[Man of Tomorrow]

Please don't let Zodclone fall on his own dagger..

[Hush]

Seriously, no super fight? Lame.

[Zorex]

Perhaps it begins as a super-fight, but then Zod pulls out the Blue K to really even the field.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Why would Zod want to even the field when he is stronger than Clark?

Unless he wants a challenge I suppose

[Prison Mike]

Please don't let Zodclone fall on his own dagger..

I think that might happen. If Clark stabs him, then people will throw a riot and complain that's not a Superman thing to do. If Chloe stabs him, then that will just suck. Maybe Zod tries to stab Clark but he blocks it and Zod falls on his own dagger. Much like in Savior.

[elgaz]

Superman doesn't kill. And even though Smallville has taken certain liberties with the mythos, I can't see them changing that one sacred rule - especially not considering how their version of Clark has evolved. So it's more than likely we will see Zod impale himself, or fall from a great height (minus his powers), or something similar.

Ironically, I think a proper mortal fist-fight between these two would be perfect. By all means, open it with a bout of super-power slugging, but by introducing blue Kryptonite during the fight it will give the Smallville budget a relief and also give us a chance to see some proper fight skills. The few times I've cheered Clark during a fight have been when it's more basic and primitive - punching/kicking/etc - and not involving heat vision or superspeed, etc. For example, Clark vs Titan, and when Clark knocks out one of the bad guys in S5 Ep2 (Mortal).

Removing their powers is also the only way to realistically persuade us that Zod does indeed die.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I think that might happen. If Clark stabs him, then people will throw a riot and complain that's not a Superman thing to do. If Chloe stabs him, then that will just suck. Maybe Zod tries to stab Clark but he blocks it and Zod falls on his own dagger. Much like in Savior.


Except that happens like 1000x times on SV, villains killing themselves by their own stupidity. It was actually pretty laughable in "Savior"


Killing off Zod is a bad idea IMO and completely unnecessary.

[elgaz]

But how so? This Zod is a clone, not the original. He's going to have be killed off eventually because when the original Zod shows up later in Clark/Superman's lifetime, it would be too confusing have 2 of them running around.

[Man of Tomorrow]

The original Zod?

The original Zod already appeared. He has no body, he was just a phantom.

Hence why the producers brought in this new Zod.

[elgaz]

Yes I know, but was he not banished back to the phantom zone when Clark using the 'S' symbol on him? Thus bringing it all into line with Superman lore and leaving the way open for him to re-appear later when Clark has evolved into the Superman we all know of.

[KBX]

I thought the producers brought in this Zod not because the original one has no body, but because they were running out of Superman villains to use?

Yeah I don't get all season hes wearing black and all of sudden, now wear a red shirt.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Yes I know, but was he not banished back to the phantom zone when Clark using the 'S' symbol on him? Thus bringing it all into line with Superman lore and leaving the way open for him to re-appear later when Clark has evolved into the Superman we all know of.

How can he reappear when he has no body?

He would need to possess someone again and that would be lame.


Here we have a living breathing Zod, he would have been the perfect host for the Phantom Zod too, but yeah Zodclone is a goner most likely.

[Johnny]

If it was a "super-fight", people would once again complain that it's not "epic" enough. The blue k is very good decision imo. Non-powered Clark always pulls some good punches.

[greenlantern248]

Maybe somehow Clark manages to open up the Phantom Zone and Zod and a few others get sent there, and the phantom Zod takes over this Zod's body.

[KALEL114]

Why would Zod want to even the field when he is stronger than Clark?

Unless he wants a challenge I suppose

I have no idea why you think he is stronger. Strength wise they should be exactly the same or at least Clark is stronger for being on Earth longer. Since Clark's blood is what gave Zod his powers, I would think they are about the same strength wise. The only thing Zod has is flight. Which shouldn't affect a fight at all. Besides I wouldn't be surprised if Clark did fly in this episode if Lois is in danger during the fight some how.

As far as the dagger goes. It could still be the green dagger. Remember what the lighting did in the pics from Charade? It made some shots of Clarks S seem to be neon. Perhaps the lighting is tricking us here as well.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Zod is stronger through having better control of his powers. He mastered flight immediately and even has sex with Tess, while Clark needed training to get there.

Same thing happened with Zod took over Lex Luthor, immediate control of all powers.

It may have a lot to do with Zod's military and tactical training as a soldier.


And Clark isn't flying in the Season 9 finale, give me a break.

[Zorex]

As far as the dagger goes. It could still be the green dagger. Remember what the lighting did in the pics from Charade? It made some shots of Clarks S seem to be neon. Perhaps the lighting is tricking us here as well.
I was thinking that, too, but I thought I'll go with the Blue K estimation, for now, considering the accompanying write-up with the photo identified it as such, and correctly described that kind of Kryptonite's effect.

[KALEL114]

Zod is stronger through having better control of his powers. He mastered flight immediately and even has sex with Tess, while Clark needed training to get there.

Same thing happened with Zod took over Lex Luthor, immediate control of all powers.

It may have a lot to do with Zod's military and tactical training as a soldier.


And Clark isn't flying in the Season 9 finale, give me a break.

Having control of his powers from the start does not make him physically stronger. Kara had control of her powers from the start. Was/is she stronger than Clark? No. It wasn't proven that Zod/Lex was stronger either.
Having control of powers right when you get them does not make you stronger, it just means you are able to use them from the start. Clark has all of his powers already sans his mental block of flight. Regardless if he had to have training to attain some aspects of control. Training he has already had by the way.
You theory would only make sense if powered Zod fought Clark from say season 1 or 2. Clark would then be weaker and Zod would have an advantage.

And I didn't say I expect him to fly in the finale, only that I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

[Webhead2006]

pretty cool photo of clark and zod. I do really hope we get a decent fight out of them. At least hopefully around 2-3mins(ya ya i am pushing it lol). But if it looks like kryptonite(green/blue being used) maybe we can see something happen. Hopefully it will be a much better fight then the lack of one with doomsday last year.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Having control of his powers from the start does not make him physically stronger. Kara had control of her powers from the start. Was/is she stronger than Clark? No. It wasn't proven that Zod/Lex was stronger either.
Having control of powers right when you get them does not make you stronger, it just means you are able to use them from the start. Clark has all of his powers already sans his mental block of flight. Regardless if he had to have training to attain some aspects of control. Training he has already had by the way.
You theory would only make sense if powered Zod fought Clark from say season 1 or 2. Clark would then be weaker and Zod would have an advantage.

What makes you think Kara wasn't stronger than Clark?

She was on Earth under the yellow sun for the same amount of time charging up, except she was an adult the whole time.

She is certainly currently more powerful than him through her mastery of flight.

[ZIPBAGS]

MDC isn't actually as unbelievably tall as people think. He's about 6"4 or 6"4.5 - definitely a big guy, but not the 7ft+ that some people seem to think. I think it's because he's so broad and big overall that it adds to the effect, plus they must have used platforms in his shoes in some movies to exaggerate it.


I met MCD at the after-party for "Talladega Nights". I am around 5'10..As you can see he is taller. But, not 7ft. :cwink:

http://img473.imageshack.us/img473/1663/toddmichaelclarkduncanwe9.jpg

By the way..A very nice guy.

[KALEL114]

What makes you think Kara wasn't stronger than Clark?

She was on Earth under the yellow sun for the same amount of time charging up, except she was an adult the whole time.

She is certainly currently more powerful than him through her mastery of flight.

Again, mastery of flight does not equal more powerful. How hard is that to understand? You give me :csad:. I guess we should just move on since this seems a bit pointless to discuss further. :up:

[Mikelus]

I think that might happen. If Clark stabs him, then people will throw a riot and complain that's not a Superman thing to do. If Chloe stabs him, then that will just suck. Maybe Zod tries to stab Clark but he blocks it and Zod falls on his own dagger. Much like in Savior.

Probably, if that's the case, is going to be another wasted opportunity to line up closer to the mythos (sending Zod to the PZ so the original General Zod takes possesion of his clone's body)... we'll see though.

[Mike_D202]

I don't think Zod or Kara being "stronger" than Clark has anything to do with flight, they both accept they're kryptonian heritage (wasn't that a running theme in the show? Clark hasn't accepted who he is so he hasn't had full control of all his powers?)

[Man of Tomorrow]

I don't think Zod or Kara being "stronger" than Clark has anything to do with flight, they both accept they're kryptonian heritage (wasn't that a running theme in the show? Clark hasn't accepted who he is so he hasn't had full control of all his powers?)

Lois was the only thing holding him to humanity in the premiere, this was explained in Pandora.

So does that mean he has to ditch Lois in order to fully embrace his Kryptonian heritage and fly?

It sounds like the writers will likely forget this recent explanation down the line in the show's final episode when Clark does fly.

[Mikelus]

Is about Clark finding the "right" balance between his Kryptonian and human identity (double-life), then he will fly, that's the producers' excuse for stalling.


Kelly Souders: Clark Kent won't really become Superman until he takes to the skies. We all have our stumbling blocks; his are just air-born. Until he can fully embrace his double-life, he'll have a hard time getting off the ground.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Smallville-questions-answered-1005076.aspx

[greenlantern248]

Not to stir anything up but I have to agree with Kalel114, about Kara not being stronger.
I refer back to the episode we first see her in, Clark grabs her leg and slams her down to the ground. If she was stronger she would have been able to pull away from Clark easily

[Prison Mike]

Probably, if that's the case, is going to be another wasted opportunity to line up closer to the mythos (sending Zod to the PZ so the original General Zod takes possesion of his clone's body)... we'll see though.

I'm all for the idea of sending Zod to the PZ so General Zod could possess the body but that theory makes too much sense for the producers to execute it.

[LostSon88]

Nice, if Zodclone dies I will actually be kinda sad.

He's been like the flipside of the coin for Clark. Both want to do nothing but good things for those they care for, but Zod is going about it in completely the wrong ways.

Plus Blue plays a fantastic Zod, I'll miss him.

This Clark still needs a Zod to fight in the future when he's finally Superman...i'm hoping he ins't killed off but simply banished to the Phantom Zone, along with the other evil Kandorians.

That way 'theoretically' when they see each other in the future it'll be Superman and General Zod...lining up w/ the comics.

[Webhead2006]

i agree zod should get sent to the zone.

[Mikelus]

This spoiler from TV Guide is pretty interesting:

Clark is literally going to see his destiny...

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142230


I think the Book of Rao is going to be key, not only in defeating Zod by taking his powers away, but in showing Clark's destiny. Maybe, after Clark introduces the book in the FOS console to access the information, he's going to see visions from his near future, including flying, the glasses, etc..... A bit of fan service would appease the fandom for a while till Clark finally flies in episode ???

:word:

[KALEL114]

I'm guessing that the clue that hints to season 10 will be Apokolips/Darkseid related?

[Johnny]

That's certainly what most of us are hoping for. ;)

[Zorex]

This spoiler from TV Guide is pretty interesting:




I think the Book of Rao is going to be key, not only in defeating Zod by taking his powers away, but in showing Clark's destiny. Maybe, after Clark introduces the book in the FOS console to access the information, he's going to see visions from his near future, including flying, the glasses, etc..... A bit of fan service would appease the fandom for a while till Clark finally flies in episode ???

:word:
This is the tease that has me most intrigued and excited. "Literally" going to see his destiny? ...Curious.

[KBX]

Well if they do show clips of Clark in the near future, hopefully it will be a lot different from the same cape one we've seen twice.

I'm guessing that the clue that hints to season 10 will be Apokolips/Darkseid related?

Producers have mentioned that a hint will be in there for next season's baddie. It looks like Darkseid, but still a chance it can be someone else like an Imperiex, Eradictor or Ulta-Humanite(lol not a very good chance though)

[Mike_D202]

Yeah I demand a more Superman-y costume tease

[Webhead2006]

that would be cool mikelus. I cant wait to see whats in store with the book of rao in the season finale.

[The Incredible Hulk]

This spoiler from TV Guide is pretty interesting:




I think the Book of Rao is going to be key, not only in defeating Zod by taking his powers away, but in showing Clark's destiny. Maybe, after Clark introduces the book in the FOS console to access the information, he's going to see visions from his near future, including flying, the glasses, etc..... A bit of fan service would appease the fandom for a while till Clark finally flies in episode ???

:word:

Having Clark see his future with flying, the suit, glasses, etc. as opposed to coming up with those on his own would cheapen the legend IMO. He'ds then start doing those things because he's "supposed to be" doing them as opposed to making those choices freely.

What I'm hoping they mean with this, is that he just has a revelation about the traditional superman attire and ditches the Matrix outfit.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Clark seeing his own future would make his destiny a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Then again, he's already faced about 1000x puns about glasses and tights and capes etc

[Man of Tomorrow]

In regards to the dagger, I'm still confused how Blue Kryptonite works on SV.

"Savior" showed Alia carrying around Blue K, and it wasn't incased in lead, and yet she still had powers throughout the episode... except when she threw it on the floor :/


Then again, it still doesn't make much sense how Alia has powers are all given the towers are down.

[Mike22]

Clark is literally going to see his destiny...

I don't think I've ever been as exited about anything smallville related as I am about this little piece of news. Just plain awesome.
How they execute this however is a different matter altogether, could be awesome, could be just the opposite.

First thing that came to mind is that when he witnesses the awesome costume he's gonna be wearing in the future, he changes the all black look to something more similar to what he just saw in order to soften the reactions to when he dons the actual thing. Just a theory.

[Prison Mike]

Clark seeing his own future would make his destiny a self-fulfilling prophesy.

Then again, he's already faced about 1000x puns about glasses and tights and capes etc

you're right about the self-fulfilling prophesy thing but at this point I don't care. Just give him the tights and make him fly already!

[zerohour films]

I get the feeling that it could mean Clark sees himself with the Glasses on as a dsiguise more than seeing himself in the costume.

Wasn't there a hint at some point about the glasses that was coming up? I think this might be it.

Maybe it will lead us into a season 10 of him wearing them---although I somehow get the feeling he won't and that ultimately the glasses will be an addition at the very end of the series.

[KBX]

Blue K is suppose to rip Kryptonians of their powers. So thats why Alia only used it with Clark. She knew with powers, Clark was stronger, so she assume if she stripped both of them with powers she was stronger. Obviously she was wrong.

[Webhead2006]

yea i cant wait to see what the future thing or what ever the whole destiny thing will entail.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Blue K is suppose to rip Kryptonians of their powers. So thats why Alia only used it with Clark. She knew with powers, Clark was stronger, so she assume if she stripped both of them with powers she was stronger. Obviously she was wrong.

That doesn't make sense.


Alia had powers, why would she think Clark was stronger with powers? And why didn't Blue K take away her powers earlier? She was holding it throughout the episode but still had powers.


And how does she even have powers under the Yellow sun? When only the Red sun gives her powers (as seen in Pandora where Zod lost his powers when the Towers depowered).


Alia.. walking plothole.

[Eros]

That doesn't make sense.


Alia had powers, why would she think Clark was stronger with powers? And why didn't Blue K take away her powers earlier? She was holding it throughout the episode but still had powers.


And how does she even have powers under the Yellow sun? When only the Red sun gives her powers (as seen in Pandora where Zod lost his powers when the Towers depowered).


Alia.. walking plothole.

why do you think they killed her off, it took them like half the season to realize...that Ali was a walking plothole, so they killed her off, so they would never have to mention her again, or why she had powers under a yellow sun in the future.

[KBX]

"Alia time-traveled back from the future with Lois Lane to assassinate Kal-El. Kal-El and Alia later battled and she used the blue kryptonite to make them mortal-like so she could kill him with her sword, which she wouldn't have been able to if he had his powers.

When Jor-EL was forced to create the Orb and include the DNA of Kryptonian soldiers, he radiated the Orb with Blue kryptonite radiation, making all of the clones powerless so that they could not rule earth under a Yellow Sun. Blue kryptonite will not be effective under a Red Sun, seen in Pandora, whichAlia used it to gave herself power under the yellow sun (because Kryptonian DNA which has been radiated with blue kryptonite will not have powers under the yellow sun except that Kryptonian have the blue kryptonite that would switch the results back)"

lol does any of this makes sense?

[KBX]

Man of Tomorrow, look at it this way.

Alia with Blue K in her veins under the yellow sun = No powers
Alia with Blue K in her veins under the red sun = Powers
Alia with Blue K in her veins under the yellow sun, hold blue K in her hands = Powers

Don't know how the last one can be, since she didn't have powers once she fought Clark. Im not saying I agree with this, nor I am 100% positive on this, but I think thats their explanition of it. but all in all, yeah a walking plot hole.

[Man of Tomorrow]

Yeah she most certainly didn't have powers when she fought Clark.

I thought about that theory too, but that would mean she wouldn't be "risking her own life" by throwing the Blue Kryptonite out.. and eventually dying.

Obviously the writers intended for the Blue K to depower her and Clark.

[ironman29758]

http://www.fancast.com/blogs/2010/tv...ncis-and-more/ (http://www.fancast.com/blogs/2010/tv-news/the-big-tease-scoop-on-lost-ncis-and-more/)

What do you know about the ‘Smallville’ finale? – Bess
In keeping with past climaxes, ‘Smallville’s May 14 finale will lay the foundation for next season’s big storyline. “There will be one small plant of something that we’re teeing up,” says exec producer Brian Peterson, “and people will just have to watch carefully for that.” Oh, and since we seem poised for a showdown ‘tween Clark/his super friends and Zod/the Kanodorians, I asked Peterson if “Salvation” stands to be the series’ largest-scale finale ever. He didn’t sign off on that superlative, but instead hails it as “the most iconic.”

interesting

[Zorex]

Iconic. I like that word. I really like that word.

[Man of Tomorrow]

I wonder if we'll get

"General... care to step outside?"

[Mike_D202]

Or Clark crushing Zod's hand then lifting him up ala Superman 2.

[Webhead2006]

i posted that thing from fancast earlier this afternoon over in the spoiler thread, nice little tidbit. Also what kbx was saying about alia i think is how it was.

[Prison Mike]

I wonder if we'll get

"General... care to step outside?"

Or Clark crushing Zod's hand then lifting him up ala Superman 2.

I bet Jor-El will introduce the cellophane \S/ to Clark...

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[Man of Tomorrow]

Superman's unused condom.


He really needed that.

[Binker]

I like the word "iconic", but this is Smallville. And after so many promises that had left me, like all of us, undelivered; I'd rather not hold my breath. But it's that "see his destiny" thing that has made me wonder what the hell they are going to do.

But it also makes me wonder about this Book of Rao; where did it come from, and how is it able to foretell these things? It's not magic (shouldn't be).

[COMPO]

I hope Chloe doesn't save the day

[KBX]

I like the word "iconic", but this is Smallville. And after so many promises that had left me, like all of us, undelivered; I'd rather not hold my breath. But it's that "see his destiny" thing that has made me wonder what the hell they are going to do.

But it also makes me wonder about this Book of Rao; where did it come from, and how is it able to foretell these things? It's not magic (shouldn't be).

Forget what the producers are saying. Just go in the Finale with low expectations and you will be fine. Iconic, Epic are words they throw around way to easily. Book of Rao was brought to Earth by Jor-El. Its like a Kryptonian Bible with powerful knowledge...

I hope Chloe doesn't save the day

You just know she is going to, lol.

[elgaz]

I wouldn't be surprised if they do pay some kind of homage to Superman II. If this is Clark and Zod's final battle (at least, for this clone version of Zod), there's gotta be a 'Kneel before Zod!' moment in the fight.

[LostSon88]

Meh, i'd expect some other type of Superman II homage.

They've done the "kneel before Zod" quite a few times already...

[Johnny]

Yep, and that's not so much as a homage to Superman II, it's just Zod's catchphrase.