Let's just put the question out there by method of polling

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If Nolan oversees the project...

Should Routh have a chance to take on the role again?

Keep in mind, this will have nothing to do with continuation of the SR franchise.

Logically I would say no. With a reboot, I feel using the same actor could be too much baggage.

However I'm not seeing a lot of good suggestions for the role, and currently seeing Routh on his Chuck role has me thinking he is better NOW than when he was actually cast.

Definitely in a much better physique. No weird brown color/style to his hair. I see Superman.

Makes it a tougher call for me.

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[Webhead2006]

I say a BIG HECK NO for me. Since this is going to be rebooting the franchise over. We need to have a clear and total break away from any of the past incarnations. So this next series can find its own footing. It should have its own cast, its own story, its own look and sound.

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I say a BIG HECK NO for me. Since this is going to be rebooting the franchise over. We need to have a clear and total break away from any of the past incarnations. So this next series can find its own footing. It should have its own cast, its own story, its own look and sound.

That is where my logic is.

However I see that a potentially great casting of Superman (Routh) has been wasted because SR was not the film it needed to be (still not a terrible film, just not all that we wanted) and that really is a shame.

He seems to be better for the part than before, and I haven't been wowed by any of the casting suggestions. Hmm... Now I am questioning if there is anyway that it could work. I dunno. Tough sale.

[Webhead2006]

Yea totally with wb not pleased totally with SR, and since pretty much last year it been clear they want to get away from donner/singer take. It would be in the film's best interest to get totally away from it as possible so it can be viewed its own thing.

As for routh, for me personally didnt like him in SR, thought he was terrible. I get most folks did like the guy for their reasons. Like my reasons for not liking him. But he is probably not going to have the chance at superman again. Besides maybe doing some animation work for wb. Like when he did an episode of the batman.

[BH/HHH]

I want him back and I think he could come back. It doesn't matter that he was in Superman Returns I don't think ALOT of normal movie goers will even notice. They reboot stuff so quickly these days I bet most normal cinema goers dont even know they aren't sequels. Routh was the main thing I liked about Superman Returns I hope he comes back.

If not and Rick Malambri gets the part that would be fine for me :D

[MAN O STEEL]

Look here's the deal, even if the General movie going audience notice it's the guy from SR, as long as thier given a fun ride with great acting & fun storytelling, they won't give 2 hoots. The GA go see a movie to be entertained. Entertain them & you'll reap the rewards. So I say, yeah Routh can be put back in, just give him a wicked Jim Lee Superman haircut, a new suit, bulk the **** out of him & let him be his own Superman under the direction of Nolan & you'll have another successfull franchise.





Steve

[BH/HHH]

Look here's the deal, even if the General movie going audience notice it's the guy from SR, as long as thier given a fun ride with great acting & fun storytelling, they won't give 2 hoots. The GA go see a movie to be entertained. Entertain them & you'll reap the rewards. So I say, yeah Routh can be put back in, just give him a wicked Jim Lee Superman haircut, a new suit, bulk the **** out of him & let him be his own Superman under the direction of Nolan & you'll have another successfull franchise.





Steve

:up: very well said Steve

[El Payaso]

Routh did great as a Dooner-verse's Superman. He was cast because he resembled Reeve and his Superman and his Clark followed Reeve's performance and Donner's vision. And he did absolutely great as such.

But being this a reboot with what I assume is going to be a completely different vision I don't see him given the part again.

[BH/HHH]

I don't think he will either but I want him to.

[kalelkilla]

It's going to be hard for the casting crew to find someone better than Routh, but if they do Bravo!

[GreenKToo]

No for me. I like him and all but a reboot means a reboot, not a ''routh-boot''.

[Superman Prime]

You have to assume that the general audience consists of relatively clueless people (bless their souls). . . so a reboot containing Routh is going to confuse the heck out of that audience. Most aren't closely following the production as we are. Most aren't going to understand that it isn't a sequel to SR.

Routh is gone. Unfortunately, because I think given the right director he would have been a decent Superman.

[Moridin]

I say a BIG HECK NO for me. Since this is going to be rebooting the franchise over. We need to have a clear and total break away from any of the past incarnations. So this next series can find its own footing. It should have its own cast, its own story, its own look and sound.

I agree. No Routh.

[Crook]

I'm assuming we all know Routh has little to no shot at ever donning this suit again, especially with a completely new team on-board with a reboot in mind.

With that said; no. Routh did decent, in the sense that he didn't completely f**k up. But you could say that for anyone in the SR crew. Despite any shortcomings with the material, you should be able to rise above that and hold your weight. Examples? Shia Labeouf and Chris Pine. These two arguably had some flat, outright terrible lines and moments in their respective scripts. But they had the gravitas and charisma to pull it off at no detriment to their performances. Say what you want about their movie or character, they undoubtedly made it work. More importantly, they had the audience on their side.

This is what Routh was missing. He technically checks off everything you would need, but he lacks that X-factor which separates naturally leading men, from actors who are playing a leading role. Physicality is of little consequence here. As many of you should recall, Routh was no stud or muscleman when he was first cast. So to show off his build as support for his stay, is moot. Anyone with a decent frame could replicate that same structure.

We need our Chris Pine. He proved almost brilliantly that you don't need a name or established works to step right into a beloved iconic role....and straight OWN it. I don't know a single person who didn't love him or at least give props for stepping into famous shoes with such ease. Routh was ok, but can anyone here really say he strayed from previous interpretations and made the character definitively his to claim? I feel like many are holding onto Brandon because he's "safe" and are afraid that whomever the new guy is, won't be able to live up to the role. Sorry, but that to me is fundamentally wrong. I can sympathize if Brandon gave a superb performance that would garner extreme backlash from the crowd, if he's replaced...but c'mon. His fanbase is ridiculously low for a franchise this large.

[SuperMike335!!]

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[GreenKToo]

I dunno. Maybe its all the time people invested into following SR/Routh and they feel cheated that he isn't returning. I don't pretend to know Nolan's thoughts, but I would bet the bank they will use a new guy and are probably already looking for him.
That wouldn't surprise me at all seeing as how this thing is MUCH farther along than we all thought it was.

[Kurosawa]

Hate it for him because I feel he's the victim of bad circumstances, but they need someone new.

[JStorm]

As much as I liked Routh, I can not wrap my head around having him in a reboot.

With that said, is this movie going to be officially a 'reboot?' I'm sure the Nolan's and Goyer can wrap their heads around it, much better than me. Hurm. . dunno how to spearhead this.

My point, like many others I'm sure, if Routh is in it and no other actors are, how will the general public respond? Where's Bosworth/Lois? Where's Spacey/Lex? Where's the damn kid?

If they use the obvious "Superman Returns was an extension and ending of the Donner run," then we have to cut ties.

I'm rambling, but all of that to say. . this is a hard choice for me.

[El Payaso]

I liked Routh as I love the Williams theme, but both need to go for a reboot.

[TheLongestDay]

I say a BIG HECK NO for me. Since this is going to be rebooting the franchise over. We need to have a clear and total break away from any of the past incarnations. So this next series can find its own footing. It should have its own cast, its own story, its own look and sound.


^^^^^^This

[Mostpowerful]

Brandon Routh Is the perfect Superman and Clark. Haven't seen anyone better. Bring him back please!

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[Coca Cola Duracell Franklin.]

Give it to Routh. He was the only good thing about Superman Returns.

[JStorm]

Brandon Routh Is the perfect Superman and Clark. Haven't seen anyone better. Bring him back please!

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Give it to Routh. He was the only good thing about Superman Returns.


I know. . I know. But by allowing him back, and potentially letting go all else (cast and story), Joe Public will not have a clue as to what is going on.

Sure - I'm selling the average movie-goer short; but my point stands. WB, Nolan(s) and Goyer will have to write, literal, magic to make that work. Without a plausible reason - within the story and for Joe Public - the new movie will have to cut ties.

I CAN NOT come up with a decent idea where Routh is still Superman, while leaving EVERYTHING about SR out.

Well. . save for a 'Crisis' type story; but then the public would really be lost.

[ChickenScratch]

I'm all for keeping Routh, he was a good Superman in a bad movie. Not hampered by a bad script, slavish director he could be a great Superman. Imagine him playing it his way, not CR's way filtered through Singer, I think he would be cool.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Personally, I dont think they are going to find anybody better than Routh, I think he is perfect for the role and would love to see him don the tights again.

[SuperMike335!!]

If Nolan oversees the project...

Should Routh have a chance to take on the role again?

Keep in mind, this will have nothing to do with continuation of the SR franchise.

Logically I would say no. With a reboot, I feel using the same actor could be too much baggage.

However I'm not seeing a lot of good suggestions for the role, and currently seeing Routh on his Chuck role has me thinking he is better NOW than when he was actually cast.

Definitely in a much better physique. No weird brown color/style to his hair. I see Superman.

Makes it a tougher call for me.

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Although I am not in favor of his return, not on his acting or anything, rather the drooling "durhur" of the masses. WB is not going to let this be mixed up with SR, and since Routh was the face of it they will not use him again.

The sad thing is that these days he has a great build for the role. Heck, he had a great build for the role then too. The problem was a wet suit that was 2 size too small, constricting him, and making him look pencil thin.

Here is a manip, based on that picture, and the other face someone else used, so show what he SHOULD HAVE looked like in the costume, had it been the right costume, with the right haircut.

It would be a more simple costume, and the material would be regular spandex, with airbrushing to enhance muscular details. Sure it's cheating, but it looks good, and would not make his muscle dissapear. Heck they could use underarmor material too with airbrushing on the abbs and under his pecs.

Here is what he should have, and could have looked like given his build.

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Man he looks great for the role. The circumstances suck :o

[bgshw44]

i want him back! everyone i talk to agrees that as well

[GreenKToo]

I just can't see them risking re-using routh in a reboot. If the whole purpose of a reboot is to distance it from the original, then reusing the lead actor in the lead again wouldn't accomplish that.


Better to use a new guy and let him win over open minded routh fans than to reuse routh and risk keeping people away thinking its just more of SR.

[SuperMike335!!]

I just can't see them risking re-using routh in a reboot. If the whole purpose of a reboot is to distance it from the original, then reusing the lead actor in the lead again wouldn't accomplish that.


Better to use a new guy and let him win over open minded routh fans than to reuse routh and risk keeping people away thinking its just more of SR.


Thats how I see it too.

I used to hate Routh, but then after a while, after seeing how hard he worked on getting into shape, and how much more he looks the role, I realized it was just missdirected anger.

The real group I am angry at are those who made a bad movie, and put him in a bad costume that made him look puny, a bad haircut, and bad makeup.

The problem in using him for a re-boot is the risk. As they say, "the masses are asses". The GA sees the same guy on the trailer, and goes, ohhh, a sequel to thaaat movie.

Really a shame, but we have to deal with the situation in front of us, and that means a new face.

Even if that may not be so, and the GA is smarter than given credit for, that is how studios think about it. That is how they think, and this time they are not taking any chances. With a new actor, they see no risk of confusion, with Routh they see that potential risk.

That being said, with the shape Routh is in now, its very unfortunate, I think he could actually get leading action roles coming his way in other movies. From his current pictures, it looks like once he started working out he took to it like fish does water.

I am familiar with that happening. Some guy is thin most of his life, then for some reason gets introduced to the weights, and falls in love with having big muscles. Good for him. Sucks that Singer and company made a movie that did not work for the studio.

[GreenKToo]

Crazy thought here but why not use him as Jor-el in the reboot.

[Mr. Earle]

Personally, I dont think they are going to find anybody better than Routh, I think he is perfect for the role and would love to see him don the tights again.
Really? REALLY?

[Webhead2006]

i still say the best thing for the new series is to have all new cast, all new story, all new setting. So it can break away and be its own thing. Its just far easier to do that with all new. Then trying to work around bringing back the former guy. But i think its more then likely going to be all new all different. WB wants to get away from donner/singer. So that is probably going to be the case all new. We just need the studio from day one on production/promoting to show to the fans and the general movie folks that this is an all new and all different superman. Like what paramount did with trek.

[Bruce_Begins]

I think Superman is a tough character to cast, and it will be very difficult for WB to find someone who fits the role in scuh a small period, to get into his movie role, if they cannot find a suitable replacement (I mean someone who is as good as Routh / Welling ) then it would be a good idea to cast Routh again. this time make a different suit, give him short black hair, and let him workout to get in a better shape.

[Webhead2006]

oh sure its a tough character to cast. But i am sure they can find someone new. its not impossible task. Plus we have no clue how casting could go this time around compared to the fail tries in the 90s or the 00s/SR casting. For all we know some new guy could come in during some early/mid run of casting and bam there you go.

Plus we dont even know if/when this film will be going into production and if/when casting is going to be happening. all we need is a few months and we can find someone. heck look at green lantern for example when director came in last feb it took them 5 months to land ryan as hal. it could take a few months, it could be shorter every deal is different.

[Bruce_Begins]

I think WB want to get to the pre production stage by 2011 and shooting stage by 2012, to avoid legal issues with court and keeping in mind that they will lose rights to the character in 2013.

The movie itself should be out in theaters in summer 2013 (IMO).

I have little faith in WB casting department, these are the guys who thought Armie Hammer(6' 5") as Batman and DJ Ctrona (5'8") as Superman, and don't forget Nick Cage in Superman Lives project and Jack Black as Green Lantern .

[sf2]

he is still the best so far. but i'm willing to let go him for the reboot.

[Daybreak_st]

Crazy thought here but why not use him as Jor-el in the reboot.


That's an interesting idea. I could see it working especially if they go with a young jor-el. Otherwise i'd prefer jim caviezel.

[Ipodman]

His eyebrowns and eyes kinda makes him look like Joe Jonas...

[FlawlessVictory]

Lets keep things as simple as possible. Once again we have an opportunity to start completely fresh but there are still people who can't let go of the past. This is partly the reason why we are in this mess now. No Routh, no Williams music, let's start completely new from the ground up. No mistakes this time by trying to cling onto something.

And for those who think there can be no one better than Routh, did you even know who Routh was before he was cast? Did you push for him to get the role then? Because, just like you didn't who he was back then, the same can happen with a completely brand new unknown that you just don't know about yet!

[Angeloz]

Maybe but they might also choose someone terrible for the part. I don't know why people underestimate the general public. As pointed out they did a terrible reboot (IMO) of "Star Trek" and told the public that's what they were doing (a different version with the same characters; not that it was terrible). It didn't seem to drive people away. They also had someone from the other version show up to interest me and others that liked the original version. If they can capture the spirit of Superman then I can accept a different version of him. I have in the past including different actors. But I would prefer he be in it. Unless it's garbage IMO. And I'll remind you of Nicolas Cage in case you can't think of ridiculous casting in the past.

Angeloz

[solidsnake86]

I don't really care either way but people are kidding themselves if they think the general audience is going to care or even remember superman returns because when this movie comes out it will be six years removed from that film. Very few people spend time looking up movies and actors on the internet.

[Daybreak_st]

Star trek had a long history and faithful following, that's why a reboot was made in the first place. They also have a substantial movie history as well. SR doesn't have any, it was a carry over from the donner films, 4 movies in total, 5 including Returns. Routh only starred in one and he barely had any lines.

I give the GA enough credit that they're not going to care if he comes back or not as no one knew who he was the first time around anyway. As long as we get a superman that's all that matters. He was an unknown when he was cast and they will find another. The point is they need a good actor who can carry the film, i'd hardly say he carried SR. He was more of a supporting character if anything.

[SuperMike335!!]

I think WB want to get to the pre production stage by 2011 and shooting stage by 2012... quoted and replied in casting thread: http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=18139533#post18139533 (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=18139533#post18139533)

[Nightwing1983]

If Nolan oversees the project...

Should Routh have a chance to take on the role again?

Keep in mind, this will have nothing to do with continuation of the SR franchise.

Logically I would say no. With a reboot, I feel using the same actor could be too much baggage.

However I'm not seeing a lot of good suggestions for the role, and currently seeing Routh on his Chuck role has me thinking he is better NOW than when he was actually cast.

Definitely in a much better physique. No weird brown color/style to his hair. I see Superman.

Makes it a tougher call for me.

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I'm not planning to vote. Theoretically, I'd rather they went with someone else, but I also think it would be best if he at-least auditioned. If the director (in this case, I assume it to be Nolan II) decides he wants him, he should be able to cast him. If not, he shouldn't have to. I do have to admit Routh looks better, but his acting wasn't exactly thrilling me.

[RachelDawes]

My heart wants Brandon to come back but my head says that it's best to make a clean break with the past.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I want a better more charismatic actor in the role so, once again, I'll say no.

[Matt]

No, he shouldn't. His time on Chuck is showing just how wooden he is. Everything he says feels like its being read of cue cards. Get an actor who can actually act to play Big Blue.

[bunk]

Looks-wise, I think they'll have a tough time improving. I think there may be some sacrificing in that area to get a more seasoned actor.

[BrlntDsgse]

As much as I like Routh in the role, and think that he was wasted in an underwhelming movie, his chances of ever donning the tights again are virtually nil. A little story to put this in perspective........
Gerard Christopher, who played Superboy for two seasons in the late 80's/early90's later auditioned for the role of Superman for the show "Lois & Clark". He gave a good audition but was then turned down due to his having previously played the character.

[Timstuff]

Routh is easily replaceable. He was decent as Superman but was nothing special. I agree with the sentiment that some people seem to want him because they already have seen him, and therefore he's a "comfortable choice." I think they can do better though, and on top of that they need to replace him if they want this to be a true reboot. Casino Royale would not have been a reboot if it still had Pierce Brosnan in the title role (although ironically, it still had Judi Dench as M, even though her backstory was rebooted along with Bond's), so I think a new Superman actor is called for. The new movie has to sever all ties with prior ones, because if it's got Routh then the public is going to think it's a prequel or sequel to SR, and then be confused when it's wildly different and has no continuity.

[Webhead2006]

Lets keep things as simple as possible. Once again we have an opportunity to start completely fresh but there are still people who can't let go of the past. This is partly the reason why we are in this mess now. No Routh, no Williams music, let's start completely new from the ground up. No mistakes this time by trying to cling onto something.

This is so what i want to see happen. i just want from the start to be all new and all different. and then promote it as that a new and different take on the superman legend and go from there. As for the clark actor he needs to have that persona and charm reeve had as superman. Which in my opinion routh sorely lacked and i dont really see much of any growth in that on his chuck role.

As for the whole production deal. Yea we do know they have to be in some form of production by 2011. But i am sure they would probably want to be in production for 2011. Be that early or mid 2011. Like between feb-may, or june-july start date for production. So then either it could come out summer 2012, or winter 2012. Or if they need more time hold off release to summer 2013. But if they were to start early 2011. They would probably want to have director deal official by june i would figure. So then from june- rest of the year they could start testing for all roles and hopefully nab leads by oct/nov. So then it would give them 5-8 months to get in shape, and any other prep work they would need to do and training.

[elgaz]

I say let him back. He still fits the bill more than any other names I've heard mentioned recently, and now he's a little older he's got the Superman look even more.

The new 007 films show that you can have older characters being played by the same actors (M for example) and the audience buys it.

I think in general the public have to be given a little credit - they won't always get that confused. I can understand confusion if you had the entire same cast as Superman Returns, same suit, same crappy CGi, same style of filming, etc ................................. but bring back Routh - and ONLY Routh - and I don't see any problem. Once you're 5 mins into the new film and well absorbed, Superman Returns will only be a distant memory.

[KrypJonian]

Wheras I liked Routh as Superman, and would like to see him get another shot at the role with more of a chance at making it his own with some speaking parts...

I have to go with a new actor, if for no other reason than to seperate this movie from a movie that the general populace deems a disappointment.

If Routh was to play Supes again, you would need the rest of the cast back for it to work. Even though I liked the SR cast, again it would draw too many parallels to SR. And doing a new movie with Routh but with a new supporting cast would be just as bad as doing a Superman movie with Tom Welling but recasting the entire SV universe and negating their continuity as well.

I have to go with a new Superman. We didn't think we could find a worthy Superman 5 years ago, but Routh came along and lots of us dug it. I'm hoping it will happen again with a new actor.

Either that or DC will have the balls to continue with the SR cast and a better story, but I'm not sure they want to risk the association with SR.... pansies...:supes:

Either way, I'll take a new Superman movie any way I can:cwink:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Really? REALLY?

Completely and utterly, I thought he was fantastic and embodied the character.

[KrypJonian]

Crazy thought here but why not use him as Jor-el in the reboot.

Holy crap, I totally called this one too, before I read this. I'm in!!!

[Superman Prime]

Completely and utterly, I thought he was fantastic and embodied the character.

AVEITWITHJAMON, you're aiming low and shooting lower. I know you to have read your fair share of Superman comics by now. You should know that Routh in SR only embodied some aspects of the character (the sad sole survivor, self-sacrificing hero). That's hardly embodying Superman. There's way more to the character than that.

[GreenKToo]

IMO, I doubt they expect TDK numbers with the first film, or even I.M. numbers.
I would think that they want it to make just enough ( B.B.) to warrant a sequel.
If reusing Routh causes some folks to stay away because they think its more of SR, then it would be foolish to use him again....
This film will have enough to overcome without confusing SOME of the public.

The media will already be talking about all the starts and stops with Superman and singers failure to win enough of the public over to warrant a sequel. We dont need them also saying ''is it a reboot or a sequel'' because routh is there.

[Mostpowerful]

AVEITWITHJAMON, you're aiming low and shooting lower. I know you to have read your fair share of Superman comics by now. You should know that Routh in SR only embodied some aspects of the character (the sad sole survivor, self-sacrificing hero). That's hardly embodying Superman. There's way more to the character than that.

What a condescending post.. I agree with Aveith completely. Looks like we saw a different film than you. To us Brandon totally embodied the character. He was SUPERMAN in the flesh. Period.

And I won't get into an argument with you, it's pointless by now. So let's agree to disagree.

[Superman Prime]

What a condescending post.. I agree with Aveith completely. Looks like we saw a different film than you. To us Brandon totally embodied the character. He was SUPERMAN in the flesh.

No, we saw the same film, the only difference is that you're inexplicably fixated on one actor that had a minimal go at the character. To say Routh "embodied Superman" isn't a matter of opinion, it's simply false.

[Mostpowerful]

No, we saw the same film, the only difference is that you're inexplicably fixated on one actor that had a minimal go at the character. To say Routh "embodied Superman" isn't a matter of opinion, it's simply false.


Wow.... are you for real? Whatever dude... :whatever: see, this is one of the reasons why I hardly come to this forum...

[GreenKToo]

No need to argue over it folks. Logically, with it being a reboot, it would seem like all new actors would be cast, BUT, we don't know for sure yet.

patience.
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[Superman Prime]

Wow.... are you for real? Whatever dude... :whatever: see, this is one of the reasons why I hardly come to this forum...

We can still be friends. I have some red kryptonite we can experiment with, should be interesting.

[Mostpowerful]

We can still be friends. I have some red kryptonite we can experiment with, should be interesting.

Friends? I don't even know you... :dry: maybe you should go out to the real world sometime? ;)

[Webhead2006]

I still say we need a clear fresh start with everything all new. if they want to take this film as a fully new take and direction for the character. And its likly the way it will be. Since we know Wb wasnt overall happy with how SR turned out and all that.

[Nightwing1983]

Lets keep things as simple as possible. Once again we have an opportunity to start completely fresh but there are still people who can't let go of the past. This is partly the reason why we are in this mess now. No Routh, no Williams music, let's start completely new from the ground up. No mistakes this time by trying to cling onto something.

And for those who think there can be no one better than Routh, did you even know who Routh was before he was cast? Did you push for him to get the role then? Because, just like you didn't who he was back then, the same can happen with a completely brand new unknown that you just don't know about yet!

Why is it that when someone wants anything from the earlier films to return--Routh, the theme music, whatever--they're just "clinging to the past?" I mean, come on! If you want to play that game, you might as well say that ALL Superman fans are "clinging to the past" by wanting them to make another movie about the character at all.

You get a lot of people saying, "you like the Donner movies? Blah blah blah, seventies!" However, in the outside world, there are probably just as many people saying, "you like Superman? Blah blah blah, thirties!"

[Lighthouse]

Completely and utterly, I thought he was fantastic and embodied the character.

AVEITWITHJAMON, you're aiming low and shooting lower. I know you to have read your fair share of Superman comics by now. You should know that Routh in SR only embodied some aspects of the character (the sad sole survivor, self-sacrificing hero). That's hardly embodying Superman. There's way more to the character than that.

What a condescending post.. I agree with Aveith completely. Looks like we saw a different film than you. To us Brandon totally embodied the character. He was SUPERMAN in the flesh. Period.

And I won't get into an argument with you, it's pointless by now. So let's agree to disagree.

No, we saw the same film, the only difference is that you're inexplicably fixated on one actor that had a minimal go at the character. To say Routh "embodied Superman" isn't a matter of opinion, it's simply false.

Wow.... are you for real? Whatever dude... :whatever: see, this is one of the reasons why I hardly come to this forum...

We can still be friends. I have some red kryptonite we can experiment with, should be interesting.

Friends? I don't even know you... :dry: maybe you should go out to the real world sometime? ;)

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[GreenKToo]

That poor poor horse. I wonder if his name was timex.

[Superman Prime]

Friends? I don't even know you... :dry: maybe you should go out to the real world sometime? ;)

Routhland is probably your idea of the real world. I'm not interested in going. :cwink:

[Man of Tomorrow]

If Ryan Reynolds can star in the Deadpool REBOOT after X-men Origins, Routh can theoretically work in a Superman Reboot, especially 6-7 years after SR came out.

The studio still wanted him some months ago, if they still have interest in him, I'd definitely have no problems with Brandon taking on the mantle of Superman.

http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/bfm_gallery/2010/03/brandon_routh_shirtless_on_last_nights_episode_of_ chuck_-_03012010/gallery_main/gallery_main-brandon-routh-chuck-shirtless-photos-03022010-15.jpg

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There simply haven't been any better names thought of yet in the casting threads, a complete unknown is the only other option..

As far as SHH polling on here goes, last year when Routh was "in the mix" for Superman, the casting poll here had him leading by an overwhelming majority.

[Red Cherry Lips]

I'm assuming we all know Routh has little to no shot at ever donning this suit again, especially with a completely new team on-board with a reboot in mind.

With that said; no. Routh did decent, in the sense that he didn't completely f**k up. But you could say that for anyone in the SR crew. Despite any shortcomings with the material, you should be able to rise above that and hold your weight. Examples? Shia Labeouf and Chris Pine. These two arguably had some flat, outright terrible lines and moments in their respective scripts. But they had the gravitas and charisma to pull it off at no detriment to their performances. Say what you want about their movie or character, they undoubtedly made it work. More importantly, they had the audience on their side.

This is what Routh was missing. He technically checks off everything you would need, but he lacks that X-factor which separates naturally leading men, from actors who are playing a leading role. Physicality is of little consequence here. As many of you should recall, Routh was no stud or muscleman when he was first cast. So to show off his build as support for his stay, is moot. Anyone with a decent frame could replicate that same structure.

We need our Chris Pine. He proved almost brilliantly that you don't need a name or established works to step right into a beloved iconic role....and straight OWN it. I don't know a single person who didn't love him or at least give props for stepping into famous shoes with such ease. Routh was ok, but can anyone here really say he strayed from previous interpretations and made the character definitively his to claim? I feel like many are holding onto Brandon because he's "safe" and are afraid that whomever the new guy is, won't be able to live up to the role. Sorry, but that to me is fundamentally wrong. I can sympathize if Brandon gave a superb performance that would garner extreme backlash from the crowd, if he's replaced...but c'mon. His fanbase is ridiculously low for a franchise this large.

Well said. :up:

[Daybreak_st]

I'm assuming we all know Routh has little to no shot at ever donning this suit again, especially with a completely new team on-board with a reboot in mind.

With that said; no. Routh did decent, in the sense that he didn't completely f**k up. But you could say that for anyone in the SR crew. Despite any shortcomings with the material, you should be able to rise above that and hold your weight. Examples? Shia Labeouf and Chris Pine. These two arguably had some flat, outright terrible lines and moments in their respective scripts. But they had the gravitas and charisma to pull it off at no detriment to their performances. Say what you want about their movie or character, they undoubtedly made it work. More importantly, they had the audience on their side.

This is what Routh was missing. He technically checks off everything you would need, but he lacks that X-factor which separates naturally leading men, from actors who are playing a leading role. Physicality is of little consequence here. As many of you should recall, Routh was no stud or muscleman when he was first cast. So to show off his build as support for his stay, is moot. Anyone with a decent frame could replicate that same structure.

We need our Chris Pine. He proved almost brilliantly that you don't need a name or established works to step right into a beloved iconic role....and straight OWN it. I don't know a single person who didn't love him or at least give props for stepping into famous shoes with such ease. Routh was ok, but can anyone here really say he strayed from previous interpretations and made the character definitively his to claim? I feel like many are holding onto Brandon because he's "safe" and are afraid that whomever the new guy is, won't be able to live up to the role. Sorry, but that to me is fundamentally wrong. I can sympathize if Brandon gave a superb performance that would garner extreme backlash from the crowd, if he's replaced...but c'mon. His fanbase is ridiculously low for a franchise this large.


Yeah, very well said man. Great post.

[Timstuff]

If Ryan Reynolds can star in the Deadpool REBOOT after X-men Origins, Routh can theoretically work in a Superman Reboot, especially 6-7 years after SR came out.

Wait, whaaaa.....? :huh:

The two situations are COMPLETELY different. Deadpool is a minor character in the Marvel universe and has very little mainstream notoriety. The general audience isn't even going to know that Deadpool was in Wolverine. With Superman though, he's sucha big an iconic character that if they bring back Routh, the audience is going to assume Routh + Superman = Superman Returns sequel = crap. It's not actually a reboot, because there hasn't even been a Deadpool movie before, only a cameo of the character in another film that happened to be played by the same actor. :doh:

I don't think there was anything special about Routh anyway. He was just a walking mannequin for Bryan Singer to put into a Superman suit because he needed someone who looked like Reeve. The number of people clamouring for a "reboot" that uses the same actor as SR seems like it can be pretty simply illustrated:

Imagine you're in a new town and want to get some hamburgers. There's a McDonalds right up the road, and a bunch of places you've never eaten at before ranging from mom & pop dives to some more obscure chains that have not made it in your region yet. Being overwhelmed with choices, you eventually just say "let's go to McDonalds," because even though it's mediocre it's familiar, and that's better than taking a risk on a burger place that you've never tried before. There's probably several places that have superior burgers, but familiarity overrules quality since you're hungry, in a hurry, and don't want to have to make a tough decision.

Like I said, there was nothing special about Routh to me. He was adequate, but he is easily replaceable, and hopefully we can get someone more talented this time around. In his post-Superman career he's shown himself to be a pretty forgettable actor despite having headlined a major film. Even ignoring how nonsensical it is to make a reboot without even changing the lead actor, Routh doesn't really have much to bring to the table other than his look.

[solidsnake86]

You know timstuff superman returns wasn't complete crap, half of you guys make sweeping generalizations and have this revisionist history of how things happend. Do you honestly think anyone cares or let alone remembers routh, if he was recast no one except what, the 17,000 users registered for this message board, would even care. You don't want routh, thats your opinion, but dont make it sound as if its this huge mistake or people in the general audience would remember.

[Superman Prime]

You know timstuff superman returns wasn't complete crap, half of you guys make sweeping generalizations and have this revisionist history of how things happend. Do you honestly think anyone cares or let alone remembers routh, if he was recast no one except what, the 17,000 users registered for this message board, would even care. You don't want routh, thats your opinion, but dont make it sound as if its this huge mistake or people in the general audience would remember.

I'm pretty damn sure they would remember Routh. I've called the general audience clueless for the most part (bless their souls), but that isn't to say they have some form of amnesia.

Superman Returns plays on the satellite once in a while, so it's not like it's distant and lost history.

[batman44]

I'm going to have to say no to Routh for reasons Matt, I See Spidey, and Crook have already explained.

[Webhead2006]

sure there is tons of folks who liked routh in the role and all that. But really it isnt likely he will be back, since we know according to nolan this will be its own footing film. So its more logical it will be a fresh new cast. which the film series really needs.

[B]

Nope, he shouldn't.

I've seen him in 3 things since Superman Returns. 'Chuck', 'Zack & Mari Make a Porno' and 'Table for Three.' In my opinion he has confirmed what I originally felt after seeing Superman Returns, he doesn't have enough charisma to pull of Clark Kent/Superman or duel identities/personalities.. at least based upon what I've seen.

There is absolutly no difference between suggesting Brandon Routh or Tom Welling for a reboot, both have literally zero chance due to both already playing the character. It isn't impossible, but it is as likely to happen as it would be for you find water in the Sahara desert.
Had this been a thread created with the same question only with Tom Welling.. heck even Henry Cavill being the actor in question, it would have been closed in under 10 posts. Why is this one open?

[Webhead2006]

at most we will probably have guys who tested during the mcg/abrams-pre singer days who are around 30 yrs old along with many many other guys we dont even know.

[GreenKToo]

I've no clue who to hope for. Questions need answering first.
Questions like....whats the age range that he wants this Supes to be?
Is this superman just starting out, like maybe his first year?
or has this superman been around for a while, say maybe 5 to 7 years?
Does he even care if he is 6'2 or more? i'm sure he does, but who knows.

It's fun to throw this name or that name out there, but untill we know the answers to those questions above, it's just spitting into the wind.

The one thing I love about Nolan is that he draws TOP NOTCH talent to his films, and
I for one can't wait to see his overall cast for this. I think the final say will be his anyway, so you might as well call it his cast.

[Webhead2006]

totally green

[Gmanofsteel]

Routh doesn't belong anywhere near a reboot.

[GreenKToo]

I'm liking this walsh guy so far.

[NewYorkSpider]

As much as I loved Routh, he shouldn't be in the reboot. Give us something new and fresh.

[Webhead2006]

totally its time to be a new and different film.

[Webhead2006]

double post

[\S/JcDc\S/]

IMO, I doubt they expect TDK numbers with the first film, or even I.M. numbers.
I would think that they want it to make just enough ( B.B.) to warrant a sequel.

Wait... SR=$391,081,192
BB=$372,710,015

SR did not get a sequel making MORE than BB did.

I'm thinking they will want at least half of what TDK did. So figure them minimum at $500,000 worldwide for a sequel.

[Webhead2006]

well it was alot of factors that lead to SR not getting a sequel right.

[Daybreak_st]

I posted this on the Superherohype front page a while back but it applies here:

I think Avatar is a good example of what positive buzz is all about. It's not just internet buzz but word of mouth; it's you seeing a movie, being absolutely blown away by it you tell everyone to go see it. That's what avatar has done.

Something similar happened with Batman Begins as the re-launch of the franchise. Star Trek is another recent example - a lot of fanboys didn't like it but the majority of viewers loved, it got plenty of positive buzz and they're working on a sequel. That's what WB wanted to happen with SR but it didn't . People saw it, thought it was ok but that was it. Most buzz was either mediocre or negative. For the re-launch of a franchise i think they expected more.

The majority of people i've spoken to about the film thought it was mediocre at best if not boring. These aren't fanboys but the average moviegoer; i'm talking about people you may work with at the job, etc. They constitute the majority of the viewing public. I guarantee if the average moviegoer was really abuzz about SR then no matter what the fanboy outcry was they would definitely have made a sequel by now. The truth is no one was that excited about it. It was just another movie, nothing special.

[GreenKToo]

Wait... SR=$391,081,192
BB=$372,710,015

SR did not get a sequel making MORE than BB did.

I'm thinking they will want at least half of what TDK did. So figure them minimum at $500,000 worldwide for a sequel.
BB cost less to make and made more on DvD sales than SR, plus it had a heckuva lot more buzz going for it afterwards.

[BH/HHH]

One thing that gets me is when SR's gets slated in some articles they go on about critics not liking it yet the critics loved it.

[Webhead2006]

well dont think all the critics liked it. though i dont know for sure.

[MiddleSuperName]

i dont think people are as against the idea as they used to be