OFFICIAL: Hugo Weaving is Red Skull

[Rich Santoro]

Didn't karl Kroenen already do the "nazi who cuts off his face" thing???

I prefer the 616 Skull with some movie-verse embellishments. Here is a repeat of some of the things that I mentioned a few months backthat I still think are a very good idea. Skull takes a bastardized version of the SSS, which causes the skeletal mutation (ala Blonsky in TIH... as seen with his protruding spine in the bathroom scene). So he starts out normal... then takes the formula stolen when Erskine is murdered (misisng the Vita-ray component)... and thus becomes the Red Skull. The formula induces madness, enhances strength beyond human (making it so that Cap defeating him is all the more impressive), and perhaps gains longevity from the formula.

In the film, Skull escapes at the end, and makes his way to S. America after the Allies win WWII. There, he goes into hiding. He could age slowly due to the super soldier formula that he took, or has underwent additional experiments over the decades, giving him longevity... or he is a nonagenerian, and at long last manufactures the Cosmic Cube and uses the power to revitalize himself.

[Keyser Soze]

I'd actually like to see them go really old school with Red Skull, and present him the way Marvel has depicted Red Skull during the Second World War.

Namely, Red Skull comes before Captain America, rather than vice versa. He doesn't have superpowers, and (though I'd understand them changing this) he doesn't have disfigurement, instead just wearing a skull mask. He is used as a symbol to spread terror throughout the enemies of the Third Reich. So the Americans are forced to respond by creating their own symbol, a symbol of hope.

But yeah, I think by avoding making Red Skull just a physical threat, it means they have to work harder to make him menacing in other ways: through his behaviour, his actions. It puts more focus on the performance by making him more of a cerebral opponent.

[Triad]

Didn't karl Kroenen already do the "nazi who cuts off his face" thing???

I prefer the 616 Skull with some movie-verse embellishments. Here is a repeat of some of the things that I mentioned a few months backthat I still think are a very good idea. Skull takes a bastardized version of the SSS, which causes the skeletal mutation (ala Blonsky in TIH... as seen with his protruding spine in the bathroom scene). So he starts out normal... then takes the formula stolen when Erskine is murdered (misisng the Vita-ray component)... and thus becomes the Red Skull. The formula induces madness, enhances strength beyond human (making it so that Cap defeating him is all the more impressive), and perhaps gains longevity from the formula.
That is kinda similar to an idea that I posted some time back in the Super Soldier Serum thread:
Just an idea here:
For the movie they should play up the symbolism with the different components of the Super Soldier Serum. The actual injected formula is BLUE, (Like it is in TIH) there can be a RED gas that breaks down sub-par soft tissue (kinda like the green one used in the Goblin's transformation in Spiderman) and the Vita-rays could be WHITE blasts of energy that enhances the advanced healing process so that the gas doesn't destroy the tissues too much before they can heal.
(Get it? Red, White & Blue! Not too cheezy, is it?)
Anyway, rather than just a spy shooting Dr. Reinstein, the Nazis could bust in during Rodgers transformation, a battle ensues and the Vita-ray apparatus is completely destroyed. Rodgers escapes, (possibly with the assistance of a young Howard Stark?) but the rest of the SSS & equipment (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=316071&page=2#) is confiscated by the Germans.
Later in the movie, as Cap's heroic exploits start to add up & the Nazis are in danger of losing the war, Hitler's apprentice decides to attempt the process on himself with the help of the top Nazi scientist: Baron Zemo. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it!) with the Vita-ray technology completely missing, the red gas breaks down the tissue but it isn't able to be built back up sufficiently.
The subject emerges with much of the same boosted physical & intellectual abilities as Cap but is left with a horrifying, gory, "RED SKULL" in the place of his face...
Whatcha think?

[Rich Santoro]

But yeah, I think by avoding making Red Skull just a physical threat, it means they have to work harder to make him menacing in other ways: through his behaviour, his actions. It puts more focus on the performance by making him more of a cerebral opponent.

I would definitely like for him to be a cerebral threat... and I would not be upset if the Red Skull wore a mask to creat fear. I just see lots of opportunities to do some really cool stuff with the altered SSS

[Rich Santoro]

That is kinda similar to an idea that I posted some time back in the Super Soldier Serum thread:

I remember that post... and YES, I think that it is a very good idea. The SSS can become a very compelling component in the Marvel-movie-verse. The Red White and Blue elements would be a cool symbolism :yay:

[Webhead2006]

totally there is alot of ways things can go with red skull. I am sure they wont screw him up unlike what fox did to dr doom.

[Rich Santoro]

totally there is alot of ways things can go with red skull. I am sure they wont screw him up unlike what fox did to dr doom.

I may never recover from that...

[Triad]

Uggh...me too!

[Sparky]

Skull takes a bastardized version of the SSS, which causes the skeletal mutation (ala Blonsky in TIH... as seen with his protruding spine in the bathroom scene). So he starts out normal... then takes the formula stolen when Erskine is murdered (misisng the Vita-ray component)... and thus becomes the Red Skull. The formula induces madness, enhances strength beyond human (making it so that Cap defeating him is all the more impressive), and perhaps gains longevity from the formula.
I like this approach. Having the Skull as a super soldier makes him a more viable physical threat as well as a warped parallel to Cap.

For his actual role in the war, I think it would be cool if the Red Skull was at least partially based on Otto Skorzeny, the most successful commando of the second world war. Skorzeny was a cunning operative who masterminded a number of daring operations, as well as personally carrying out more than a few himself. I'd like to see the Red Skull as a schemer but also somebody who went in the field.

[Webhead2006]

Totally red skull has alot of potential and i havent been disapointed with any of the foes in the marvel studios films we have gotten so far. So i doubt skull will end up like doom/ or galatcus situations with the licensed out to other studios marvel films.

[Rich Santoro]

I like this approach. Having the Skull as a super soldier makes him a more viable physical threat as well as a warped parallel to Cap.

For his actual role in the war, I think it would be cool if the Red Skull was at least partially based on Otto Skorzeny, the most successful commando of the second world war. Skorzeny was a cunning operative who masterminded a number of daring operations, as well as personally carrying out more than a few himself. I'd like to see the Red Skull as a schemer but also somebody who went in the field.

That would be kick a ss. He would be a total villain with intellect, physical abilities, and an army at his command... an utterly evil, twisted and manical megalomaniac. Bring him on...

[Triad]

Yeah, I think it's important to show his evil intellect BEFORE he would get the SSS (if they decided to go that route) I wouldn't want it mainly blamed on the madness side-effect. He's a freakin' NAZI (!) and one of Hitler's TOP men, for that matter! He wouldn't have gotten that position if he was afraid of getting his hands dirty!

[Rich Santoro]

^ :up:

[Spider-Fan]

I'm not against the Red Skull having a deformed face due to an experiment or whatever, but like someone said, that can't be a crutch for why he is evil. He was afterall, a Nazi and a man close to Hitler. This can't be ignored.

The 616 version is the way to go. You can maybe make him a product of a Nazi attempt to replicate the Super Soldier serum (much like Hulk is in the movie universe), but that would be about all I would add to him. Doing that would at least make sense since other nations would try and replicate Captain America, and the formula was lost. Completely changing him to...whatever the ultimates did would be insane. It would be about as criminal as the grossly bad handling Dr. Doom got in the FF movies. You can't take a great villain, and make him completely unrecognizable and lose all the reasons he worked in conjunction with the hero. It makes for a poor character and poor film. The dynamic has worked in the comics all these years for a reason. Going for what is now would be a poor choice, and I doubt Marvel is going to do that. They have taken the right elements from the Ultimate verse and 616 verse in TIH and IM, so I have faith.

[Webhead2006]

he is more then likely going to be 616 take.

[Aztec]

I like the idea that most people react to the supersoldier serum the way that Blonsky does in TIH. They go mental (and I would definitely want Red Skull to be an evil Nazi already) and they become deformed (like you see Blonsky's spine growing out of his back). That would explain his appearance and his extra special viciousness.

[Webhead2006]

yea i see no reason why if they do want red skull to be SSS too, Why he couldnt be an evil SOB already. Then the SSS just increases his attitude and all that to more crazy.

[Rage]

Could they not have a bastardized version of the SSS (like Blonsky in TIH) that not only warps his body (face) but his mind? That makes the most sense to me...and it ties into what Marvel Studios has already done.

[Rich Santoro]

Absolutley... He obviously would be a ruthless murderer already... but the formula would turn him utterly insane. He would progress from Amon Goeth (ala Ralph Fiennes in Schindler's List) to a full on Hannibal Lecter (sans eating people).

[sabetoonth]

^^on that note, wat if they give him a mask made from a real skull!

[Rich Santoro]

That would be a nice touch... but it wouldn't fit. Skulls are on the inside after all, so it wouldn't really fit "over" a head as a mask.

But I am nit-picking... the design could be that the front of a skull is grafted to a mask.

[Webhead2006]

i am very curious to see if they will go deform face as a red skull or a red mask skull is wearing.

[Ace of Knaves]

Tom Hardy for Red Skull :up:

[sabetoonth]

if they have it made from a big skull or a cast of a real skupp with soem reshaping it could work

[Rage]

I kinda like the idea of the skull taking the bastardized version of the SSS and he either goes crazy and disfigures his own face... or the serum causes disfigurement. A mask just doesn't seem right to me... Or maybe he survives (after taking SSS knock off) a dose of an experimental chemical weapon that strips the flesh from its targets (like his skull smoke dust stuff in the comics)

[sabetoonth]

aye i was just putting forth an idea incase they go the maks route

[spawnling]

i think that at first skull wear a mask to inspire loyalty and fear in the german and allied soldiers, but in a fight with cap it gets busted and the men see hes just a man. and after relizing he would never really be a symbol like cap he injects morphen in his face then cuts off the skin. and when he is asked why he did it he looks at the soldier and after the soldier flinches skull answers "thats why". that would be sick to see

[sabetoonth]

that actually would be a damned good scene or couple of scenes

[Triad]

Yeah, I like that too.

[Webhead2006]

i kinda do like the idea go with a mask first. Then that one idea folks mentioned a few times. If they decide to have red skull be mutated by a bad version of the SSS and that causes him to be scared.

[dark_knight08]

:unishr:Red Skull should be played by Mads Mikkelsen

[Triad]

There are many actors out there that I feel would do well with the role, but I have to agree that Mikkelson is by far my top choice!

[Webhead2006]

i would be down with him.

[Yellow Cyclone]

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9494/viggomortensenpicture.jpg

:ninja:

[sabetoonth]

i think that at first skull wear a mask to inspire loyalty and fear in the german and allied soldiers, but in a fight with cap it gets busted and the men see hes just a man. and after relizing he would never really be a symbol like cap he injects morphen in his face then cuts off the skin. and when he is asked why he did it he looks at the soldier and after the soldier flinches skull answers "thats why". that would be sick to see
i jsut thought, wouldnt it hurt like a ***** whent he morphene wears off?

[Young Superman]

Mads Mikkelsen for The Red Skull
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2459/3945876430_ea6066c6d5.jpg

[Blackman]

Michael Sheen for Red Skull?

I think he could do some good work with that

[Brian Braddock]

I think deformed is always better. The Nazis were trying to make a "superman" and instead they burned the skin off of his face. Works for me.

I'd go with that - they could even go one further and link RS's skeletal defomation to that of Blonsky's skeletal deformation in TIH, be it a bad strain of SSS, lack of Vita Rays etc

[Ace of Knaves]

Tom Hardy for Red Skull!

[Young Superman]

Tom Hardy for Red Skull!

nice pickhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Rich Santoro]

I'd go with that - they could even go one further and link RS's skeletal defomation to that of Blonsky's skeletal deformation in TIH, be it a bad strain of SSS, lack of Vita Rays etc

I second that...

[rogue trooper]

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/9494/viggomortensenpicture.jpg

:ninja:

I've been thinking of Viggo Mortensen for the role too, as he has already worked with director Joe Johnston on "Hidalgo", and he has displayed very convincing villainy in films like "The Young Americans", "The Prophecy", and "Leatherface:Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3".

[Webhead2006]

i cant wait to see who marvel nabs for the role. i hope its a great pick.

[Mac_Hine]

Just officially confirmed on Geek Time on Howard 101, Red Skull will be in and be the main villain in the movie. No surprises here I guess.

[Rage]

THanks for the heads up. No big surprise...but nice to know "confirmed" none the less.

[Mac_Hine]

Yeah, Joe Johnston confirmed it but like I said, no big woop.

[Artistsean]

I can see a movie where the bad guy is Baron Zemo, but he is working for Red Skull. No matter who the bad guy is, I can see Red Skull having a huge hand in it and running things even if he is behind the scenes most of the time.


What about how Red Skull survives from WWII? I know that Cap gets frozen. In the comics Skull is put into suspended animation for a while by experimental gas he accidentally inhales during a fight.
Do you think they should go that rout?
But what if they went with Red Skull being more of a name passed down. What if Red Skull is simply the highest trained Nazi, who scares even Hitler. But when he dies the mask and the name are passed to another monstrous terrorist?

In the first (original) movie he physically changed
looking like this:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i129/needhamsart/1062007-284px_red_skull_movie.jpg

In the original comics he looked like this:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i129/needhamsart/917238-kirbycap7778_0001.jpg

I think he should look like this, wearing an oversized mask:
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i129/needhamsart/1094304-redskull667.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i129/needhamsart/1094305-redskull668.jpg

[Iceman]

Has everyone seen this already: http://www.superherohype.com/news/captainamericanews.php?id=9051 (http://www.superherohype.com/news/captainamericanews.php?id=9051)

Red Skull Confirmed as Captain America Villain

[Blackman]

dream choice: Viggo Mortensen
more realistic: Madds Mikkelsen

[TheComicbookKid]

Still wonder how a talking skull is going to work.

[TikkiEXX]

Still wonder how a talking skull is going to work.yeah, me too. i really wont be surprised if he doesnt wear it at all, at least not in the first movie. i can see them making him the leader of an extreme faction of the SS called the Red Skulls or something and maybe he gets deformed at the end of the movie and has to wear a mask or his face ends up looking like a skull.

[cosmicherosa]

Madds Mikkelsen is perfect. He will be coming of the probable huge hit Clash of the Titans, so perhaps that will snoot him into this role.

[I Am Jack's...]

Mads Mikkelsen

http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/12037/mikkelsen%20red%20skull.jpg

[Webhead2006]

yea its great red skull has been confirmed. There was no doubt since he is cap top villain and the film being set in ww2 and all that. Cant wait to see who they go with and how they will play out the lost a mask, a mutated looking skull, etc.....

[TheFuture]

Since they are going the "unknown actor" route with Cap, it would be really nice if they cast a real "name actor" as the Red Skull.

[Young Superman]

Mads Mikkelsen

http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/12037/mikkelsen%20red%20skull.jpg Agreed

[Adenjo]

Admittedly i'm not an expert on captain America or his gallery of enemies however.....
The Red Skull, i'd be more inclined to not go the mask route or the "actual" skull route...
I'd probably go for a the character starting out as a normal man, a soldier picked for the Nazi's own version of the super soldier, however the process goes wrong.
he is indeed blessed with great strength but also his intellect is greatly increased along with his far right views and his desire to serve the reich.
As for his physical appearance i'd have his skin affected by the serum.. It's colour turns a vicious shade of red, the bones in his face become mis-shapen and the skin tightens giving him a skull-like appearance..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Adenjo/redskullofficerwbg1small.jpg

[Aztec]

Admittedly i'm not an expert on captain America or his gallery of enemies however.....
The Red Skull, i'd be more inclined to not go the mask route or the "actual" skull route...
I'd probably go for a the character starting out as a normal man, a soldier picked for the Nazi's own version of the super soldier, however the process goes wrong.
he is indeed blessed with great strength but also his intellect is greatly increased along with his far right views and his desire to serve the reich.
As for his physical appearance i'd have his skin affected by the serum.. It's colour turns a vicious shade of red, the bones in his face become mis-shapen and the skin tightens giving him a skull-like appearance..

The answer to Red Skull is already in the Marvel film-verse. Look what an imperfect SSS did to Blonsky in TIH. His spine began growing out of his back and he became increasingly violent and insane. That's how I picture Red Skull.

[topdog1]

I'd rather them do another Italian Red Skull in nothing but a red hat than use anything from the Ultimate Universe. Yes, I hate the Ultimate Universe that much.

I vote Marvel film-verse. They need to craft this villain (and movie) more carefully than anything else in their stable. Done right, we're talking masterpiece. Done wrong, we're talking disaster. No other character or characters has this wide of a variable IMO.

[Dr.Dude]

That image a few posts up has the right idea, I think. His face shouldn't be a silly-looking "talking skull," but instead just look deformed and skeletal. While I'm sure there's probably been a lot of debate about whether the Red Skull should wear a mask or whether it should be his actual face, my vote goes toward it being his face. They got away with a pretty grotesque Two-Face in The Dark Knight, so this shouldn't be too different.

They've got to be really careful here to ensure that the Red Skull is as menacing as possible, because there's a lot of potential for him to be one of the big villains, not just in Captain America but in the Marvel movie universe as a whole. They don't have Doctor Doom or Magneto to play with as worldwide threats...but they still have the Red Skull, so it's important that he is fully realized.

[TikkiEXX]

im guessin he,s a regular looking guy at first and gets mutated later. maybe by a failed Nazi super soldier serum.

[mjames345]

I think TikiEXX definitely has Red Skull's storyline mapped out, I am thinking it will be somewhat like the Abomination's storyline in The Incredible Hulk.
I also agree with The Future and think they will definitely go the "big name" route. What I am trying to think of is who are some big names that would be good for The Red Skull? Viggo Mortensen? Although I think they might want to go someone in the age range of Cap, so probably the 25-35 range, in which case I have no idea

[Deaths Head II]

I don't think he should wear a mask. I think it would make more sense for him to just be deformed and it would make him creepier as a character.

[Compi716]

I've always loved the masked version, especially the way that Steve Epting draws him. There is something incredibly eerie about seeing Skull's eyes floating in the black sockets of his mask.

[weezerspider]

Double Post

[weezerspider]

Whoever they get, I HOPE he's signed to be in The Avengers as well. I can't get enough of Red Skull.

[GNR]

I just hope they make him a not to be f***ed with villain/badass unlike the order shouting moron we so often see in the comics.

[Artistsean]

I would love it if they stuck closer to the Skull's origins in the comics:
A lowly bell boy (maybe a Nazi soldier) who is personally taken under their wing and turned into his ultimate soldier (in their eyes).
In the comics his mask was used to inspire fear, as Cap's costume was used to inspire hope and pride and patriotism.
Skull also would wear body armor under his clothes as well as hidden weapons and booby traps (like gas spray on his chest).

But I will be fine if they went with him being a super soldier who went wrong too, like the original Cap movie did. Its fine by me.
It would be interesting to see the skull mask (and prosthetic to help the actor's jaw to more) on the big screen.

[OB1 Kenobi]

Just throwing a name out there, dunno if it's been mentioned before, but what about Christoph Waltz as Red Skull. He plays one hell of a nazi and he's a great actor to boot.

[Webhead2006]

i am sure they will play red skull right. so far characterization been well with the marvel studios films. So they will probably do him right and not muck it up like fox did with doom in fantastic four movies. As for look yea so cant wait to see if they go mask, or mutated due to bad SSS testing. And since joe has stated that they are looking at unknown/lesser know guys for cap and build up the supporting cast with more known names like how thor did it. I am sure they are probably going to grab a big name for skull.

[ultimatefan]

The Red Skull will probably be the biggest name actor on the cast, I suspect they will go for some kind of prosthetics to portray him, I hope they don´t wuss up on the creepy factor, and make it more Orc than Green Goblin.

[Webhead2006]

well i also bet the scientist guy will be a big name, and then if the invader guys are to be important as joe stated those will probably be some known guys too.

[skiddyboy]

Here's some images which I've found for your consideration:

http://dailypop.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/redskull_movie.jpg

Like this one because it looks like his skin has shrunk and gone red because of the serum.

http://nerdyandoverthirty.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/ultavg001_cov_villain-02.jpg

Looks like a total mentalist neo-nazi in this one.


http://screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/captain-america-movie-cast-villain-red-skull.jpg


Like the one above, he still has skin, but seems to be shrunken into his skull and enflamed.

What do you guys think?

[cas]

The middle one is awsome (but perhaps too scary for the movie)

[Deaths Head II]

Like this one because it looks like his skin has shrunk and gone red because of the serum.

http://nerdyandoverthirty.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/ultavg001_cov_villain-02.jpg


I believe that's Ultimate Red Skull, which is the one where he actually cut off his own face.

[Webhead2006]

yea the middle/bottom one is of the new ultimate red skull, the top one was a pretty cool look i would be down with that. i am sure they will be going classic skull all the way. Hard to really adapt the ultimate cap since the story just started out plus wouldnt make any dam sense for film.

[Deaths Head II]

I don't want Ultimate Red Skull to be the basis for the film anyway. I would much rather have Red Skull be Cap's Nazi arch-nemesis from World War II then be his twisted illegitimate son.

[Gamma Goliath]

I agree

[Webhead2006]

yea i was just stating since we know the film is ww2 setting, and skull is the villain of the film. there is no reason why they would be doing ultimate version.

[Artistsean]

Maybe that choice is meant to ask about his appearence.
Like maybe they are asking if the Red Skull should be a guy in a mask,
a mutated guy like the bad movie,
or if he should have mutilated his own face like in the ultimate comic.

[Avengers-Report]

Ultimate Red Skull would be a terrible choice, just stick with the original.

[BETArayBill]

When did the ultimate red skull come into the ultimates i stoped reading it after loeb came on as writer

[Young Superman]

How about Joaquin Phoenix as Red Skull?

[Webhead2006]

he appeared in the revamped ultimate avengers title post the ultimtum wave deal.

[Iceman]

Christoph Waltz for Red Skull! :cool:

[Artistsean]

Mark Miller is back on the Ultimates. Its gotten back to being good, even the change in the Ultimate Universe.

What if they used the 616 Red Skull, but made him mutated or mutilated his own face?
Personally I want the classic Skull, with the mask and all. But I would be fine with either.

[Webhead2006]

well i am sure storywise he will be classic skull, as for look i wouldnt mind if its a mask he wears to instill fear in his soliders or if they say he used a bad SSS formula and his face mutated.

[Deaths Head II]

I want the mutated/mutilated RS frankly. I think it would fit more with the Nazis and it would also make him more disturbing.

I hate the 90s Cap film but I liked RS's look in that film. Until they completely changed it when they jumped towards the present that is. :doh: I would like to see how that kind of look would turn out with the make up team for a big budget summer blockbuster film.

[TikkiEXX]

i wonder if ole Skully will live thru the Cap movie? if he does they can use him again down the line in Cap 2 or whatever depending on the storyline.

[Webhead2006]

i am sure they will probably make it look like he "dies" but if he has SSS formula in his system maybe he lives and is a threat for the next few decades.

[That-Guy]

I'm definitely in favor of the Red Skull being deformed as opposed to just a dude in a mask. I also think he should have Cap's enhanced abilities as well, to make for a more even fight.

However, I really hope they won't go with that bizarre Ulimate origin. Where the hell did they come up with that sh**?

[TikkiEXX]

i kind of like Ultimate Skully. but im a big fan of the Ultimates as long as that hack Loeb isnt writing it and taking a poop on the whole universe. but Ultimate Skully has no place in the Cap movie.

[Silvermoth]

I would like to see him unscarred first so that we can properly see the actor's expression.

Then before the film's climatic battle, he puts on the mask as a means to terrify his enemies.

(Have I mentioned I would like to see Robert Carlyle as the Red Skull

[Deaths Head II]

I would like to see him unscarred first so that we can properly see the actor's expression.

Then before the film's climatic battle, he puts on the mask as a means to terrify his enemies.

(Have I mentioned I would like to see Robert Carlyle as the Red Skull

What is this weird mentality of having Red Skull not being Red Skull for most of the film? We already had this with the 90s Cap film. We don't need it again for this new film.

[Webhead2006]

even with makeup/mask of a skull there is many ways to still show emotions and all that an actor can do.

[jab1118]

I really want him to be scared and not a mask. If its a mask they will feel the need to have him take it off all the time so we can see the actor

[Deaths Head II]

even with makeup/mask of a skull there is many ways to still show emotions and all that an actor can do.

Speaking of which, one good case against the mask is that it'll cover the actor's expressions way more then make up will. Especially the overly large mask some people are suggesting.

[Webhead2006]

even if it was a mask, whos to say it would be a full covering mask like spider-man. It could have openings in eyes, and mouth areas.

[Deaths Head II]

I still think that's making it pointlessly difficult. Having it be just make up just allows for more freedom.

[Webhead2006]

yea i would perfer makeup to i was just pointing out if they did go with a mask it would have to be like one of the full covering faceless mask types. But a type that has openings around the eyes so we see the eyes of actor, and same with mouth area open so he is able to talk and we can see his mouth moving and all that.

[sabetoonth]

or give the jaw the join so it moves with his mouth, if they go the mask way, which i want the scarring

[Rage]

I like the peeled away flesh of Ultimate Red Skull (without the tattoos) I think its scarier than a mask and freakier than a disfigurement. Someone who would do that to themselves is truly scary!! Maybe the skull tried the bogus SSS and it started to disfigure him...so he pulls a Doctor Doom (but instead of hiding his face...he rips it off)

[sabetoonth]

ooh, i like that!

[TikkiEXX]

well just keep in mind theres a slight chance there wont be a mask or disfigurement. im bracing myself just in case he looks regular thruout the whole movie. but i think the chances are good we,ll see the Skull in some form or another.

[Deaths Head II]

I doubt he'll look regular throughout the whole movie, but if that is the case I will be severely annoyed. Red Skull is one of the easiest villains to pull off for a film. Even the 90s film was able to pull it off until they jumped to the present. The freaking 90s film.

[sabetoonth]

im with DHII, if hes not REALLY RS ill be annoyed, but these guys seem to be competent enough not to screw up like that

[Artistsean]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/Captain%20America%20pics/917238-kirbycap7778_0001.jpg
Red Skulls' mask could be made to look like this, the classic comic look, but still be a prosthetic mask with allows the jaw (and mouth) to move along with the person's face.

It can still be a mask looking like this: (you can see his actual teeth and eyes behind the mask.)
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/Captain%20America%20pics/1094304-redskull667.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/Captain%20America%20pics/1094305-redskull668.jpg

They could make the mask with prosthetics like this:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/489796726_fd06334d40_b.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/490391266_8567b4202c_b.jpg



Maybe he can wear a mask, and get scarred at the end of the movie (or scar himself) and have a scarred mutilated face like the Ultimate version.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/Captain%20America%20pics/859004-4kwqsz4_super.jpg

[sabetoonth]

arent those images of a mask?

[Artistsean]

yeah,
what I meant was they can say the Red Skull wears a detailed (maybe high tech since it protects from gas) mask,
but in reality have it be a detailed mask made of prosthetics so that the actor inside can move his mouth and we can see his eyes. So that when he moves his jaw the mask with go with it because its attached to his face. But when the Red Skull removes it (if he removes it) then it will be just like a regular mask like this:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/masktrick.jpg

So its sort of fudging with reality. Everyone says and knows its a mask in Cap's movie universe, but in reality its made out of prosthetics and make up.
So that its not just a floppy rubber mask.

[sabetoonth]

yeah if they go the mask route, thatd be cool, id even settle for a hard mask with a hinged jaw for motion there, though id prefer the scarring, or even mutilation like ult RS

[Webhead2006]

yea that is how i was talking about look. i would be happy if they go like that.

[Bug-Eyed Earl]

How about this- he's the closest thing the Nazis have to Cap; their version of the Super Soldier experiment came pretty close, but RS still falls short. He gets burned earlier in the war, and his accelerated healing doesn't exactly restore him to what he was- hence the face.

And if we're going for a German actor, I say Thomas Krestchmann- he's probably more believable in the physical stuff than Waltz, who would also be amazing.

[blinkuldhc]

Viggo Mortensen for Red Skull. The guy can speak like 8 languages, although none of which is German. He'd be menacing as RS, in my opinion.

If they're going the unknown route for Steve Rogers, they really need to cast some big names like Viggo.

[Rage]

Plus Viggo has worked with JJ before (if that helps in the casting process)

[Rock Sexton]

....... I'm guessing it has been mentioned before, but my choice for the Red Skull is Huge Weaving. He's a decent "name" that Johnston could help surround the eventual Captain America with. Not to mention he's so odd looking, it would fit like a glove.

http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/12037/hugo%20weaving.jpg

[Brian2887]

I don't want to know how Red Skull got deformed. I just want to see a guy with a horribly burned and scarred red visage, terrifying his enemies and his underlings alike. The how isn't important.

[Jerkofwonder]

....... I'm guessing it has been mentioned before, but my choice for the Red Skull is Huge Weaving. He's a decent "name" that Johnston could help surround the eventual Captain America with. Not to mention he's so odd looking, it would fit like a glove.

http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/12037/hugo%20weaving.jpg
Not to mention he just got finished working with JJ in The Wolfman.

[That-Guy]

Kretschman is still my top choice, but since they want an unknown as Cap, my guess is they'll go with a name for the Red Skull, so Viggo or Hugo do seem more likely. I don't think Waltz would want to do it... he just played a psychotic Nazi and now he's also playing a supervillain in Green Hornet. Unless he wants to be typecast for the rest of his career, he should pass on this if they even offer it to him.

[BrlntDsgse]

....... I'm guessing it has been mentioned before, but my choice for the Red Skull is Huge Weaving. He's a decent "name" that Johnston could help surround the eventual Captain America with. Not to mention he's so odd looking, it would fit like a glove.

http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/12037/hugo%20weaving.jpg

Wow, Hugo Weaving hadn't even occured to me for Red Skull but great choice there. I've even found myself burnt out on hearing fan casting suggestions for him since it seems people suggest him for EVERY "Mastermind" type villian, but this time he really fits. Oddly enough looking at that pic his face even looks a bit like the classic look of Red Skull's mask.....the frown, the wide furrowed brow, just slap some red prosthetics on and he's good to go.

[Artistsean]

Not to mention that Weaving has shown that he is willing to wear a mask an entire movie without taking it off once. Plus he can act without using his face, just his voice and body.
In V for Vendetta he never removed his mask

[Deaths Head II]

I wonder how Hugo's German accent would sound...

[Rock Sexton]

Not to mention that Weaving has shown that he is willing to wear a mask an entire movie without taking it off once. Plus he can act without using his face, just his voice and body.
In V for Vendetta he never removed his mask

Ya, his voice work is stellar. The dude just has a commanding tone, which is perfect for baddies. As someone pointed out above, Johnston got to get familiar with him with "Wolfman" so naturally I'd think he'd be given consideration.

[PyroChamber]

Here's a question, should they have the Red Skull use the Dust of Death?

[Webhead2006]

what is that pyro?

[sabetoonth]

a chemcal weapon that makes the victim's head look like skull's

[Webhead2006]

oh cool cool

[sabetoonth]

think poison ivy's dust from B&R but with a much nastier effect

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Til Schweiger and Mads Mikkelsen (with the exception of Christoph Waltz) I think would be the three best picks for Red Skull.

Ralph Fiennes for Baron Zemo.

[Webhead2006]

i am sure they will score someone good for red skull.

[PyroChamber]

think poison ivy's dust from B&R but with a much nastier effectOr like Joker's venom, but way worse.

[Webhead2006]

well with skull being main villain/the villain of the movie. I am sure if the writers/marvel folks think its a good idea it could be in the mix.

[DocHoliday]

Michael Fassbender for Red Skull. Can speak fluent German and is a pretty damn good actor.

[sabetoonth]

Or like Joker's venom, but way worse.
isnt joker venom requiring an injection or consumption? or does it also take powder form?

[Brian Braddock]

Would love to see JJ use the Hildago connection and get Viggo for RS. I know that Viggo doesnt put much stock in movie adaptions of mainstream comicbooks, but you never know.

I look at him in Eastern Promises and something just screams Johann Schmidt.

[DocHoliday]

Would love to see JJ use the Hildago connection and get Viggo for RS. I know that Viggo doesnt put much stock in movie adaptions of mainstream comicbooks, but you never know.

I look at him in Eastern Promises and something just screams Johann Schmidt.

Yeah..you never know. But it wasn't like Hidalgo was well received or made much money. If this was someone he'd had a measure of success with, I'd be more enthusiastic of the possibility. But who knows? Never thought I'd see Norton do TIH either.

I do think that Hugo Weaving could be a possibility, depending on if he found Wolfman to be a good experience. But was just thinking...what if JJ could coerce Chris Cooper into some type of role?

[Brian Braddock]

The success of Hildago wouldnt really matter as long as the guys had a good experience working together though, right?

I cant see them going 'well, we'd love to work together again, but the last movie didnt do that well...............'

Dont get me started on Weaving - I think he's absolutely amazing, although I'm unsure of him as Red Skull, Zemo perhaps. I cant see Cooper wanting to do it, seeing as he passed on the part of Commisioner Gordon because it was a comicbook movie role.

[DocHoliday]

The success of Hildago wouldnt really matter as long as the guys had a good experience working together though, right?

I cant see them going 'well, we'd love to work together again, but the last movie didnt do that well...............'

Dont get me started on Weaving - I think he's absolutely amazing, although I'm unsure of him as Red Skull, Zemo perhaps. I cant see Cooper wanting to do it, seeing as he passed on the part of Commisioner Gordon because it was a comicbook movie role.

Yeah, but Hidalgo isn't really...good. Viggo really doesn't do many movies, but I don't think it's so much that film didn't make much money as it was not very good. Would he be willing to do a commercial film (which he hasn't done in a LONG time) when the last film they did together didn't turn out too well. Believe me I hope I am wrong, just don't see it though. But like I said I didn't see Norton do one either.

As for Cooper, as that why he turned it down? Just for discussion's sake I am going to say the opposite of what I did above, lol. Maybe Cooper looks at October Sky and says "That was a damn fine film, wouldn't mind working with him again." Maybe he turned down Batman because he felt it had be done already, and Cap might feel fresh. Just trying to think of some of these "big names" that JJ has worked with before, that he might try and coerce.

[Majmun]

Rainn Wilson.

http://i50.tinypic.com/xkxcmt.jpg

[Webhead2006]

interesting choice why you go with him?

[Deaths Head II]

interesting choice why you go with him?

Probably because Krasinski is rumored for Cap. :awesome:

[Majmun]

Lol true, and I believe Wilson is also German. :woot:

[OB12]

I had actually thought about Wilson a while back. He is an outside the box idea, but I think he could really do well with the role. He has a very sinister looking face which could be easily enhanced through makeup and I have heard him speak pretty good German on the Office. I don't know if he actually speaks it or if he just learned the lines as necessary, but he did a good job with them nonetheless.

That said, if Krasinski gets Cap, I wouldn't want Wilson for Red Skull. It would be too hokie.

[Dr. Sid Jawtug]

Still wonder how a talking skull is going to work.

Calista Flockhart!
All you need is some red paint and wa-lah!
Red Skull!

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Would love to see JJ use the Hildago connection and get Viggo for RS. I know that Viggo doesnt put much stock in movie adaptions of mainstream comicbooks, but you never know.

I look at him in Eastern Promises and something just screams Johann Schmidt.

If we didn't have Ultimate Nick Fury, Viggo would've been my ideal choice for Nick.

[irapogi]

another reason to support mads mikkelsen, he's a former dancer and gymnast. Might suggest some interesting fights against cap.

http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/s/o/8/casinoroyalepubi.jpg

[RonJon_silver]

Sorry guys if this has already been mentioned, but does any1 think that Rick Baker should be brought on board to do the makeup for Red Skull?

[Webhead2006]

he would be interesting guy to go with. But i am sure who ever is their makeup guys/girls will pull off some good looking makeup effects.

Also i dont know if this was posted in other threads. I havent been on cap boards since yesterday at 5am ish. But here is Rainn as red skull lol:
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2010/capkrasinski.jpg

[sabetoonth]

thata funny

[redlion2]

Wonder what would be the best approach to bring RS to life? The CGI method ala Two Face from DK or a more practical makeup and prosthetics or just a straight up mask or a combination.

[Figs]

I voted for Mainstream which I guessed meant 616 look...I hope.

I just wonder how they're going to do his face without it looking too cheesy since they won't be able to make it very realistic to keep a PG-13 rating. If only they could push the PG-13 rating and have the makeup look somewhat like uncle Frank in the first Hellraiser film.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/3958/hellraiserssthroatrip.jpg (http://img28.imageshack.us/i/hellraiserssthroatrip.jpg/)

[SpiderByte]

A manip I made based on the theory that, since his face will be because of a corrupted SS Serum, he might resemble Abomination a bit:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii289/SpiderByte_photo/2che90-560x420.jpg

[redlion2]

A manip I made based on the theory that, since his face will be because of a corrupted SS Serum, he might resemble Abomination a bit:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii289/SpiderByte_photo/2che90-560x420.jpg

That's the same thing I thought about. That his face gets hideously deformed because of an imperfect version of the SS serum which I think would add an extra dimension to the classic Cap vs. Red Skull confrontation.

[SpiderByte]

Not to mention that it ties in well with the other films of the same universe.

[redlion2]

Not to mention that it ties in well with the other films of the same universe.

Yes it does. I can see the Red Skull trying to corrupt Cap by telling him they are "gods" and he should be joining him instead of opposing him.

[TheWatcher]

Good ideas!
Mads Mikkelson(1st choice) or Jackie Earle Haley(2nd choice) should play Him.

[Doctor Jones]

I think the look of Two Face in TDK has kind of given them more freedome in exploring possible looks. I hope it's ****ing intense and gruesome.

[SpiderByte]

Two face is different. He was damaged on the outside, but Skull can't burn up like Two Face. I'd say Abomination's is the closest we can get, concept wise, manip wise, and story wise.

[redlion2]

I think the look of Two Face in TDK has kind of given them more freedome in exploring possible looks. I hope it's ****ing intense and gruesome.


Two face is different. He was damaged on the outside, but Skull can't burn up like Two Face. I'd say Abomination's is the closest we can get, concept wise, manip wise, and story wise.

I'm sorta in the middle of both these statements. I do lean more toward CGI for Skull's look and he should look frightening but not like a burn victim but more bony and skull-like than Abomination.

I just hope he's a real cruel and heartless bastich. The kind of guy that would come upon a small town and would have everyone executed if they didn't bend to his will. All the while, he's loving it too.

[Webhead2006]

werent we talking about that and those manips just a few days ago?

[TheFuture]

The success of Hildago wouldnt really matter as long as the guys had a good experience working together though, right?

I cant see them going 'well, we'd love to work together again, but the last movie didnt do that well...............'

Dont get me started on Weaving - I think he's absolutely amazing, although I'm unsure of him as Red Skull, Zemo perhaps. I cant see Cooper wanting to do it, seeing as he passed on the part of Commisioner Gordon because it was a comicbook movie role.

Chris Cooper? Good actor, but all the same I'm glad with the way it all worked out. :awesome:

I can't see Viggo doing this, that being said he did do Arogorn, if the script gives him plenty to say I can't see why he'd be totally against it. If the last two years or so have shown us anything it is that actors should really get over themselves and realise the potentially fantastic roles that are out there.

That being said, I think it's a bit naive to assume that Viggo and JJ have a good working relationship. Hey, maybe McG should ask Bale if he wants to be in his next rom-com. :oldrazz:

[NEXUS 6]

Luke Goss?

[samsnee]

No, he's already played two comic villains, no need for a third.

[NEXUS 6]

That's right I forgot he was in Blade II. Otherwise he disguises himself well, and the Red Skull role would call for heavy prosthetics.

[SpiderByte]

Or CGI Mocap.

[Hannibal King]

Good ideas!
Mads Mikkelson(1st choice) or Jackie Earle Haley(2nd choice) should play Him.

I never thought of Mikkelsen for Red Skull, but I really like that idea. Which in itself is sad since I've only seen him in Casino Royale and a scene of him in Clash of the Titans.

[Spider-Fan]

Jackie Earl Haley's name appears in yet another thread for fan casting :up:

I really wish we would stop using certain actors for EVERY comic film.

[Webhead2006]

i rather have actor with mask/makeup. No reason to cgi/motion cap red skull.

[Webhead2006]

i rather have actor with mask/makeup. No reason to cgi/motion cap red skull.

[Brian Braddock]

Jackie Earl Haley's name appears in yet another thread for fan casting :up:

I really wish we would stop using certain actors for EVERY comic film.

Fan casting of 'flavour if the month actors' for every movie is a staple of these boards; it'd be weird without it. :hehe:

[Brian Braddock]

i rather have actor with mask/makeup. No reason to cgi/motion cap red skull.

Hell yes - the art of practical prosthetic make-up fx is in danger of dying a death already in motion pictures, without the further use of CG for a character that just screams 'prosthetic make-up'.

Red Skull is crying out for the Rick Baker/Legacy Studios treatment; anything else just seems so unneccesary.

[SpiderByte]

I think they could go the Dark Knight way and use a bit of makeup for reference and mocap for the final effects.

[Webhead2006]

they could but it would be a whole lot easier and cheaper to just do makeup/mask-posthesitic work. Then CGI/MOTION CAP

[Chris B]

Personally, I think they should go for someone whose around the same age as whoever is cast as Captain America. I think it would add to their dynamic if Cap and the Red Skull were contemporaries.

So I like the idea of Michael Fassenbender.

[deathshead2]

If he wasn't busy I'd say Tom Hardy.

[SpiderByte]

True.

On a side note Deathshead, your avatar is so *****ing cute and so hilarious at the same time.

[deathshead2]

True.

On a side note Deathshead, your avatar is so *****ing cute and so hilarious at the same time.http://kingpanpan.com/

[Deaths Head II]

True.

On a side note Deathshead, your avatar is so *****ing cute and so hilarious at the same time.

For a second there I thought you were referring to my avatar as "cute." :awesome:

[Webhead2006]

for me i would perfer an older red skull myself. more so if they want him to be a big time military guy for the nazi's.

[sabetoonth]

a combination of makeup with a little bit of CGI enhancemnt would be nice, only use CGI if it helps, not just to be using CGI

[Webhead2006]

totally sabe. There is no real need for red skull to be cgi at all. makeup/mask stuff are great these days.

[Brian Braddock]

Of course they are - and it's something that's in real danger of dying out in this era of 'ah, let's just CG it'.

Done right, they could make an absolutely kick-ass [and scary] practical prosthetic for RS. Ok, touch it up with CG like Two Face if needs be - but all CG is a definite no-no for me.

[ThatDamnNinja]

I'm going to say Til Schweiger. Second choice, Viggo Mortensen. I know a lot of people are calling for Christoph Waltz or Mads Mikkelsen, but I think Waltz is too goofy and kind of effeminate, which worked EXTREMELY well for Hans Landa, but Red Skull is a different breed. I don't think it's sound logically to say "He played a badass Nazi villain before, he can do it again!" As for Mikkelsen, I just never thought he had much screen presence. He's kind of slight.

I think that Red Skull should be a very intense, intimidating, scary, violent, serious character. I think Red Skull should be old enough to carry authority, but young enough to be a physical threat, which is why I think the late 40s, early 50s age range works.

[blinkuldhc]

Christolph Waltz was menacing as Hans, but in a mind***** sort of way. What made Waltz so effective was his restraint that was almost haunting -- someone so evil who was so articulate and calculated.

I want Red Skull to be menacing in a psycho, pure evil sort of way. I don't know for sure if Waltz can or cannot play that, but I feel like Viggo Mortensen would portray Red Skull better. Mortensen is also a little more physically imposing than Waltz.

[Kurosawa]

Christolph Waltz should be Zemo, imo.

[Webhead2006]

i cant wait to see who scores red skull

[BrlntDsgse]

I like Hugo Weaving for the Skull, he gets suggested for every "mastermind" villain role, but he seems to really fit this one. Red Skull has some similarity to Agent Smith.....cold and calculating but with this seething anger just under the surface. Mikkelsen for Zemo(though I also like your idea of Waltz, Kurosawa). Still trying to think of an idea for Arnim Zola but I'm drawing a blank.



Oh, and Tom Cruise for Hitler

[DocHoliday]

Michael Fassbender.

[OB12]

What about Paul Bettany for Red Skull? He is a good actor and physically he would be similar to JK, if he gets Cap.

[Deaths Head II]

What about Paul Bettany for Red Skull? He is a good actor and physically he would be similar to JK, if he gets Cap.

Paul Bettany voices Tony Stark's JARVIS computer system. If he plays Red Skull that means Tony based his computer's voice on a Nazi super villain, which raises some serious questions.

[OB12]

Ha! I forgot that he voices JARVIS. That certainly would add an interesting layer to things.

[Spider-Fan]

I would love if Waltz were the Red Skull, but I'd rather he not do it cause I don't want to see a guy that talented type cast as a villain or Nazi. I'd rather see him in different stuff, though I think he'd be excellent as the Red Skull.

[Webhead2006]

yea i cant wait to see who the score for red skull, i hope its a great pick.

[sabetoonth]

what should the skulls "imperial march" be? the score that comes on when hes present, his theme?

[Webhead2006]

some strong epic march score lol. something like darth vader's was.

[Bubonic]

What does the ultimate red skull look like, much different then the 616 version?

[ElMariachi]

just get Willem Dafoe to play him.

[Parker Wayne]

http://i.livescience.com/images/ULTAVG001_cov_villain-02.jpg

This is Ultimate Red Skull

[Bubonic]

Thanks, personally not feeling him and his cultist vibe, be maybe the look is more understandable contextually.

I like the mask/deformation combo, so long as it doesn't look tacky.

[sabetoonth]

some strong epic march score lol. something like darth vader's was.
this i relaize, what like, how should it be, what would make people think red skull when they hear it, what would make it memorable?
im thinking big drums, but also some violins, and some tuba.trombones perhaps

[KangConquers]

Red Skull better be someone good, cause the latest Cap possibilities look TERRIBLE. We need someone to carry the movie.

[R_Hythlodeus]

As I already said in another Thread, there are many German speaking actors who could play Red Skull easily. I mentioned Moritz Bleibtreu and August Diehl. They are my personal favourites

[DocHoliday]

What about Robert Carlyle? haven't seen him in a while.

[That-Guy]

http://i.livescience.com/images/ULTAVG001_cov_villain-02.jpg

This is Ultimate Red Skull

Does Jackie Earle Haley spring to anyone else's mind when you see this pic?

Not advocating for Haley to play Red Skull... just saying that this image really reminds me of him.

[TheVileOne]

Red Skull = ARNOLD VOSLOO

[DocHoliday]

Red Skull = ARNOLD VOSLOO

I could roll with that. He was one of the few highlights in GI Joe. Looked like he was having a blast. I think they'll probably go for a bigger name though.

[sabetoonth]

i could definatly deal with vosloo as the red skull, i actually like that alot, though i still like viggo, kretschmen, as first and secodn choices

[R_Hythlodeus]

What about Robert Carlyle? haven't seen him in a while.
Isn't he doing a tv show? Anyway, I could really see him as Hitler...........:whatever:

[Yellow Cyclone]

viggo dammit

[Chewy]

Marvel Studios has zeroed in on Hugo Weaving to play the villainous Red Skull in “Captain America.”

Joe Johnston is directing the movie, which remains in search of the actor to play Steve Rogers, (http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2010/03/captain-america-casting-update.html) Captain America’s alter ego.

In the Marvel comics, Red Skull has been Captain America’s archenemy since 1941, when he engaged in espionage and sabotage as Hitler’s right-hand man. In his final battle with the superhero, he was buried under the rubble of a bombed building but — as would occur later with Captain America — fell into a state of suspended animation. Both were revived in modern times.

The character was the villain in the low-budget 1990 “Captain America” movie.

The dealmaking with Weaving is in a delicate stage that will play out in the next day or so. Agencies grouse that Marvel plays hardball in the negotiating process and also demands multi-movie commitments, though the latter usually applies to actors playing its heroes.

If a deal happens, it would reunite the actor with Johnston, with whom he worked in the recent horror thriller “The Wolfman.” The CAA-repped Weaving already is known to genre fans as bad guy Agent Smith of the “Matrix” movies and elf ruler Elrond of the “Lord of the Rings” trilogy.SOURCE (http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2010/03/captain-america-villain-hugo-weaving-as-red-skull.html)

[JP]

I like it.

[FaT_tONle]

Give me a break... let's exhaust every option to find our Cap, and now that we are spent, let's just get Hugo for our villain and rid ourselves of the headache. Can they at least LOOK outside the box? Call me my typical whiny asswipe, but that's lazy casting... as good as he is. I'm sorry...

[Chewy]

Fat Tonie, your post makes no sense. They are not "spent", they are still very much so in the process of casting Cap. Doesn't mean they can't look for actors for other roles, too.

[Dr. Sid Jawtug]

If this happens, its automatic win.

[FaT_tONle]

You know what, they had better have tested 3-4 legitimate actors for Red Skull before they go in this direction. This just screams, Feige, "So Joe, we are pushing late into production here. Where are we on Skull?" Joe, "Know an obvious guy. Worked with him recently. He's the safe bet." Sorry, doesn't cut it for me.

[Punisher_MAX]

Hugo Weaving in a Marvel movie? HELL YES.

[Chewy]

You know what, they had better have tested 3-4 legitimate actors for Red Skull before they go in this direction. This just screams, Feige, "So John, we are pushing late into production here. Where are we on Skull?" John, "Know an obvious guy. Worked with him recently. He's the safe bet." Sorry, doesn't cut it for me.
Jeff Bridges didn't have to test against several other actors for his role in Iron Man. Mickey Rourke and Sam Rockwell didn't for Iron Man 2. Anthony Hopkins didn't for Thor. After a certain point, an actor's body of work can speak for itself.

[bunk]

This thread needs more whining. Seriously though, this a good get for them. Weaving is one the more respected actors around, which will be useful if he's involved in Avengers.

[FaT_tONle]

Jeff Bridges didn't have to test against several other actors for his role in Iron Man. Mickey Rourke and Sam Rockwell didn't for Iron Man 2. Anthony Hopkins didn't for Thor. After a certain point, an actor's body of work can speak for itself.

And which one of those guys was a type cast... don't tell me Hopkins because of that Zemekis Beowulf movie.

[Project862006]

did you feel the same way about the sinetro casting?

[Project862006]

how is he typecast he has only been a villain in the matrix and most recently like wolfman

[FaT_tONle]

And the winner for Biggest Whiner on Any Board goes to (drum roll) Fat_Tonie
Fat_Tonie: I would like to thank my hands for typing complaint after complaint, giving many of the other users cancer of the eyes. I would also like to thank God because without him there wouldn't be anything to whine about.
Thanks!

The Hype does do the awards at the end of the year... new honorary category... the Fat award... :cwink:

[Aluchak]

I know you'll laugh at my idea first, but just hear me out... I think Macaulay Culkin should play the Red Skull. Yeah, the kid from Home Alone. I know it sounds ridiculous, but if you've seen The Good Son, you'll know why. He's good at playing disturbed characters. Even as a little kid, he was able to pull off disturbed characters. Plus, he wants to get back into acting. This could be his come back role. I mean, RDJ had his come back in Iron Man, Mickey Rourke has his come back and is now in Iron Man 2, and if MC gets casted this franchise could be filled with come back roles. Anyways, if The Jonas Brothers and Dane Cook were allowed to audition for this movie, I don't see why he can't.

[Triad]

Hmmmmm...Weaving with a German accent? I can see it.

[Lighthouse]

I approve.

[JP]

How can anyone be upset over such a WIN? :(

[Project862006]

so now cap actor has to act against SLJ/Norton/RDJ/SJ/Cheadle/Renner(Possibly)/Weaving/

LOL

[Chewy]

How can anyone be upset over such a WIN? :(
That's Fat Tonie for ya! :hehe:

[Franklin Richards]

Sounds like Joe got someone from his stable. That should comfort him a bit since it seems he's been a bit frantic of late.


:cap: :cap: :cap:

[sabetoonth]

wait, the JOANS BROTHERS auditioned for this film? if they would have made it in i would be cursing and swearin all over the internet

i havent seen the good son, perhaps he could do somehtign with it, who knows, im still with viggo, kretschmen, vosloo as my top three

[Aluchak]

Snowflakes chance in hell they made it in, but they got to audition, so I don't see why Macaulay shouldn't be able to.

[FaT_tONle]

Whatever peeps, I guess we can't be mildly suprised by an actor who goes out on a limb with this role. Just tells me they aren't willing to take risks. At least go out on a limb with Cap and the rest of the supporting cast is all I can ask for at this point. But seriously, this better be as gold as Stewart for Xavier or it's bust.

[Symbiotic]

Sweet dear God I hope this happens. This would be great villain casting.

[Spider-Fan]

He may be an obvious pick, FT, but he is a very good pick too. While it might not have imagination behind it, I know he'll be great.

[Aluchak]

Yeah, but its boring. Hes a typecast. I wish they'd go outside the box. A great choice, imo, would be macaulay culkin. Red Skull was scrawny before his transformation. And has any one seen the Good Son? He was creepy as hell in that movie, even though he was only a little kid. He's very good at disturbed people roles, and I think he'd make a great Red Skull. Plus, he wants to get back into acting, this could be his come back role. I'm sure he'd take it if he was offered it, and seeing how Dane Cook and the jo**** got to screen, I don't see why he, an actual qualified actor can't.

[Nirvana]

He would have been better for Sinestro. :oldrazz:

Seriously, not a bad choice, though.

[Franklin Richards]

Jack was a "boring" and "obvious" pick for the Joker and that was film history.


:joker: :joker: :joker:

[Rock Sexton]

....... I'm guessing it has been mentioned before, but my choice for the Red Skull is Huge Weaving. He's a decent "name" that Johnston could help surround the eventual Captain America with. Not to mention he's so odd looking, it would fit like a glove.

http://www.**************.com/images/users/uploads/12037/hugo%20weaving.jpg

Bingo was his Name-O!

This is the natural fit. I am happy hearing they are trying to bring him aboard.

[FaT_tONle]

Snowflakes chance in hell they made it in, but they got to audition, so I don't see why Macaulay shouldn't be able to.

You just had to put yourself on the guillotine didn't ya... :doh:

[Rock Sexton]

I brought him up over a month ago..... some kinda joked that it was the universal pick for all bad guys in all movies, but I thought he was the natural fit for the part, not to mention he and Johnston were very familiar having just worked on "Wolfman" ....

[reta666]

This sounds good, I like weaving, he looks like the character in a way, great credentials etc etc. BUt yes this does sound too safe. Im not exactly complaining but I just dont feel the wow I felt with IM, IM2, Thor or TIH

[Rock Sexton]

This sounds good, I like weaving, he looks like the character in a way, great credentials etc etc. BUt yes this does sound too safe. Im not exactly complaining but I just dont feel the wow I felt with IM, IM2, Thor or TIH

Safe?

I call it a jack pot. You got a guy who actually resembles the character (unfortunate for him :hehe:). He has the acting chops. He's got mainstream appeal and exposure. He's just a great baddy all around. I can already picture him with a German accent. That's the one thing about him I really like: His tone. The guy commands the screen with his voice.

[Nirvana]

Safe?

I call it a jack pot. You got a guy who actually resembles the character (unfortunate for him :hehe:). He has the acting chops. He's got mainstream appeal and exposure. He's just a great baddy all around. I can already picture him with a German accent. That's the one thing about him I really like: His tone. The guy commands the screen with his voice.

This. :up:

[craigdbfan]

Superb pick. Just a fantastic decision all around.

[Spidey_62]

I saw this thread title and went :awesome:. This would be awesome.

[BrlntDsgse]

For all the bickering over the casting of Cap, I hope most can be happy with this excellent choice....IF it pans out. And really, other than Agent Smith...I don't really see Weaving as typecast except in the realm of fanboy casting,where admittedely, he's mentioned for every evil mastermind under the sun.

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed. It is a great pick. I scoffed in casting threads cause in fan casting, I like variety and thinking outside the box. But, he is an obvious pick for a reason. Cause he'd be great in the role. Awesome decision by Marvel if they land him :up:

I love me some Smith :)

[Rock Sexton]

Agreed. It is a great pick. I scoffed in casting threads cause in fan casting, I like variety and thinking outside the box. But, he is an obvious pick for a reason. Cause he'd be great in the role. Awesome decision by Marvel if they land him :up:

I love me some Smith :)

"Mrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Rogers" ........:hehe:

[Aluchak]

Whats that supposed to mean, don't like my idea? Don't like how I'm thinking outside the box?

[Spider-Fan]

"Mrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Rogers" ........:hehe:

LOL! This post put the Mr. Roger's Neighborhood theme song in my head :csad:

They SO need to have him say Mr. Rogers in the film :cap:

[BojacRedleif]

Would have preferred Christoph Waltz, but I am 100% a.o.k. with this choice! That dude has such an incredible voice as-well.